**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 24 03:00:02 2010 Feb 24 03:07:15 haeffb_asleep: hows it going out therE? Feb 24 03:11:54 hi all! Feb 24 03:25:14 jettero: you an pop a submenu off any element Feb 24 03:25:33 Does anyone know if/how to prevent automatic focus advancement of text fields on enter? Feb 24 03:25:36 sleepy! Feb 24 03:25:51 not too sleepy to type Feb 24 03:25:52 hy jenp Feb 24 03:26:02 too sleepy to think Feb 24 03:26:06 hi haeffb_asleep! Feb 24 03:27:05 event.stop(), event.stopPropagation(), event.preventDefault() all fail to prevent percolation Feb 24 03:39:19 are you logging all events? Feb 24 03:53:52 hey jenp, still around? Feb 24 03:54:04 just got back what's up? Feb 24 03:54:28 just wanted to share.... Feb 24 03:54:38 yeah?....what? Feb 24 03:54:45 this is what http://haeffb.com is competing against: Feb 24 03:54:57 http://www.moproperties.com/ Feb 24 03:55:08 http://www.maconrealtyco.com/ Feb 24 03:55:18 in this market, I don't have to be perfect. :) Feb 24 03:55:25 smiles... Feb 24 03:55:26 guess not Feb 24 03:55:34 third one is really really really bad Feb 24 03:55:40 like the animated gifs! Feb 24 03:55:45 i think his second grade daughter did it Feb 24 03:56:07 man...this takes me back to geocities beta Feb 24 03:56:26 must admit, i have an aminated gif in most of my apps! Feb 24 03:56:29 netscape rulez! Feb 24 03:56:38 Yeah! Feb 24 03:56:46 ok people...what's up with the bad photos...don't put a pic of you on the net unless you're proud of it.... Feb 24 03:57:01 http://www.moproperties.com/selling.htm Feb 24 03:57:05 what makes you think they aren't proud? Feb 24 03:57:13 Feb 24 03:57:41 really, she didnt have a highschool pick to put up there like everyone else? Feb 24 03:57:52 man! streaming banner and all! Feb 24 03:57:55 she's the owner/broker, but doesn't actually do anything with real estate. Her husband runs the office. He hates real estate. Feb 24 03:58:03 i bet her match.com pics better Feb 24 03:58:09 lol Feb 24 03:58:19 so did he pick the pic to punish her? Feb 24 03:58:32 doubt that he's bright enough to think of that. Feb 24 03:58:39 LOL Feb 24 03:58:49 OK, I have to stop being mean. Feb 24 03:58:55 me too Feb 24 03:59:07 NOT ME BITCHES Feb 24 03:59:13 LOL Feb 24 03:59:40 http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ Feb 24 03:59:45 na, i shouldnt be one to make fun of someone elses web pix Feb 24 03:59:46 that is my site Feb 24 03:59:58 omg...please tell me you're screwing with us Feb 24 04:00:21 there are 'fashion' pages Feb 24 04:00:29 "believe in fairies!" Feb 24 04:00:38 my eye are still burning green Feb 24 04:00:43 LoneStar99....is this you? Feb 24 04:00:55 cause....uh...tights? Feb 24 04:01:02 you think that person lives in texas jenp? Feb 24 04:01:06 Lord Fauntleroy Feb 24 04:01:15 that person would be beaten to death in Texas. Feb 24 04:01:16 well it does look like he's in a basement Feb 24 04:01:17 pretty cool site Feb 24 04:01:37 lord fontanelle Feb 24 04:01:42 i think he's wearing more make up then me... Feb 24 04:01:56 http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/photo_closeups_bb2.htm Feb 24 04:01:57 Ok, folks, I'm out for the night. Just wanted to pass along the...uh...state of the art in Macon, MO. Feb 24 04:01:59 ok... Feb 24 04:02:05 i can't be single any longer Feb 24 04:02:13 l8r haeffb Feb 24 04:02:13 laters haeffb Feb 24 04:02:13 i have found my dream guy Feb 24 04:02:31 i mean check out the tush Feb 24 04:02:41 JenP: I am happy for you! Feb 24 04:02:51 wow...lonestar99 you have ruined me for all other men Feb 24 04:03:01 g'nite haeffb_asleep sweet dreams.... Feb 24 04:03:21 believe it or not - animated gifs reminded me of the site, Feb 24 04:03:33 do you think he's gay? Feb 24 04:03:38 neah Feb 24 04:04:07 no..there's a ferrie wedding!!! http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/OurWedding1.html Feb 24 04:04:48 prolly did it for health insurance.. Feb 24 04:05:02 lol woops was so excited i closed the wrong window Feb 24 04:05:14 careful were u click Feb 24 04:08:51 JenP: u still checking out the site? Feb 24 04:10:01 no LoneStar99 my eyes can't look anymore...now that i know he's married..... Feb 24 04:11:14 lol Feb 24 04:11:53 smiles...how's the json coming along? Feb 24 04:12:48 it is done, now need to mojo-ize some javascript Feb 24 04:13:02 ah.... Feb 24 04:14:10 what u up 2 tonight? Feb 24 04:15:09 nuthin...just enjoy the night Feb 24 04:15:16 you? Feb 24 04:17:00 debugging code Feb 24 04:17:05 fun Feb 24 04:17:21 woo hoo! Feb 24 04:25:12 is it cold in SD? Feb 24 04:25:23 read they let LT go Feb 24 04:25:42 and there was a fatality on the 5 today Feb 24 04:26:03 oh LoneStar99 do you miss home? Feb 24 04:26:52 kinda, need to head back to Cali, will be really weird though Feb 24 04:50:53 whats the trick for floating a single command menu item on the right side of the scene? Feb 24 04:51:09 you have to make a blank label for the left or something? Feb 24 05:02:05 off topic, how does a non-poverished school district get a federal grant for 2,300 macbooks? Feb 24 05:02:46 not even $300+ netbooks but $999+ macbooks.... Feb 24 05:04:28 Bmyers: it can be challenging...but try padding it with empty {} items Feb 24 05:05:02 otherwise you can drill down into the menu element and just set the offset directly Feb 24 05:08:19 that is a $2.7+ million dollar Federal grant, for some brats to have macbooks! Feb 24 05:09:00 earmarks? Feb 24 05:09:45 no wonder a 6 pack of beer has gone up, i am paying for some HS to enjoy macbooks Feb 24 05:10:35 Apple has always had a pretty strong hold on the educatoin market Feb 24 05:11:35 sound like some shady earmark, that is like Beverly Hills High providing all their students with 17 inch Mac Books from a Federal Grant Feb 24 05:26:54 how about this? What if textbook publishers get on board with Apple and distribute textbooks as ebooks via the iPad....wouldn't that be a pretty sweet educational tool? Save paper and likely costs for students... Feb 24 05:27:30 yeah, pretty awesome, firmly implanting DRM into the school systems Feb 24 05:29:47 some congressfolks are against earmarks, some think it's their responsibility to their constituents Feb 24 05:32:19 it would be cooler if Palm had some sort of educational tool - like the iPal Feb 24 05:32:55 jfelectron: how do you add a value to a textField? Feb 24 05:33:48 summatusmentis: oh don't get me wrong I think the Apple DRM model sucks....won't by for that reason Feb 24 05:34:18 but lets see an open device achieve the same market penetration....its all talk if the public doesn't embrace an open model Feb 24 05:34:31 virtuous talk..but nevertheless just talk Feb 24 05:35:02 Apple Computers rock, the rest of their gadgets are Boo.... Feb 24 05:35:40 LoneStar99: yes...well I can install anything (literally) from anybody on my macbook....not true out of the box for gadgets Feb 24 05:36:11 jfelectron: it'd require a company that was big to do it Feb 24 05:36:22 Google _might_ be able to pull it off Feb 24 05:36:51 summatusmentis: Apple has 0 market share is digitial players before the iPod and they had and still do have very marginal PC market share Feb 24 05:36:59 jfelectron: this.controller.get('textField').innerHTML = 'this value'; that does not change the value does it? Feb 24 05:37:15 LoneStar99: no....I think the input field is buried within the widget Feb 24 05:37:19 jfelectron: ok, "big" or "really good at UI stuf" Feb 24 05:37:52 LoneStar99: if you create your text-widget with a model just set this.textWidgetModel.value="mytext" Feb 24 05:38:34 summatusmentis: google is big and NexusOne shows they are getting better at UI Feb 24 05:39:02 ok let me try that Feb 24 05:39:27 in the mean time, peter pan says hello http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ Feb 24 05:39:34 jfelectron: I think Google could pull it off, I think MS might be able to if they had a better UI (but they'd be all DRM happy) Feb 24 05:40:36 summatusmentis: Google might....its still not clear to me what their goal with Android is though...apart from driving usage of Google services Feb 24 05:40:55 yeah not sure Windows Phone series 7 is a killer of anything Feb 24 05:41:08 interesting UI...but kind of plain IMO Feb 24 05:41:33 I almost wonder if Android is literally just a UI on top of stuff that allows training of their services Feb 24 05:43:12 i think everyone wants an iPhone killer, and Android is a cheap alternative for Telecos, to try and accomplish that Feb 24 05:44:10 *everyone* except all the iPhone carriers :) Feb 24 05:44:23 jfelectron: the whole goal of android is increasing the advertising revenue from mobile devices. pure and simple. Feb 24 05:44:33 little R&D, on a "cool" looking plastic case, some advertisement with "powered by Google" and they hope folks buy that shit Feb 24 05:44:43 that's they goal of any and all google activities Feb 24 05:45:28 rwhitby: the phones themselves aren't directly vehicles for that....sure they've acquired AdMob...and google services are of course tied to ad revenue Feb 24 05:45:51 jfelectron: the phones aren't directly vehicles *today* - google has long term goals Feb 24 05:45:53 android phones don't have any ads currently do they? Feb 24 05:46:05 rwhitby: yes...point taken Feb 24 05:46:29 Google without a good advertisement stream is good as gone along with it's stock price Feb 24 05:55:57 longterm goal of Google diversify into a business that does not primarily rely on advertisement for it's main revenue stream. Advertisement on the Internet is not as hot as it was a few years back. businesses that relied on ads for survival are beginning to see it tough to survive on advertisement revenue alone Feb 24 05:56:31 hey all Feb 24 05:57:09 whats good Feb 24 05:57:48 hello codeslaw Feb 24 05:58:04 yo Feb 24 05:58:29 did you test out webview? Feb 24 05:58:33 workin on plugging my db scaffold into a receiver for uploading stuff Feb 24 05:58:41 didn't get webview to work Feb 24 05:58:44 =( Feb 24 05:58:54 i think DownloadManager is gonna do it though Feb 24 06:00:15 ok cool Feb 24 06:00:37 download manager works for uploading images Feb 24 06:03:26 jfelectron: smaller suggestive code almost functional, just need to mojo-ize a function Feb 24 06:03:38 LoneStar99: cool Feb 24 06:03:55 oh and fix a few bugs... Feb 24 06:03:58 I'll probably stick with the one I have, I like the functionality and the UI Feb 24 06:04:19 my app is already big...a little bigger doesn't really matter Feb 24 06:04:44 trying to keep my small... Feb 24 06:05:14 mine is fully customized UI skin so I have lots of images Feb 24 06:05:14 cuss all it is a search Feb 24 06:05:48 that and its 'advanced' with multuple stages and background notifications etc. Feb 24 06:07:11 don't need more 1 ratings from some tool: " this does nothing more than search, and is bigger than the free app of which I also gave a 1 rating, because I am a bitter tool" Feb 24 06:07:49 yeah....I feel ya Feb 24 06:09:13 but then again, suggestive search is cool, but might scrap it altogether... Feb 24 06:12:10 wow pastebin UI has changed Feb 24 06:12:31 jfelectron: I have the following: http://pastebin.com/FN0xgZTQ Feb 24 06:12:32 LoneStar99: yeah, I got the same surpise Feb 24 06:12:54 looks nice Feb 24 06:13:01 do you guys know about webos.pastebin.com ? Feb 24 06:13:40 I prefer pastie though Feb 24 06:14:05 yeah, i do not paste there, b/c usually my code is broken, and do not want some dude to lose a day on some buggy code Feb 24 06:14:35 I use dark color scheme terminal, dark color scheme editor....etc....so dark Pastie wins....unless there are pastebin schemes I'm not aware of? Feb 24 06:15:39 jfelectron: not sure how to mojo-ize line 8 and line 30 Feb 24 06:16:16 no themes on pastebin yert =( Feb 24 06:16:40 how can we access a device id Feb 24 06:17:12 Mojo.Environment it one of the properties don't remember which Feb 24 06:18:18 LoneStar99: mousedown or tap instead of click Feb 24 06:18:40 codeslaw: com.palm.properties.nduid Feb 24 06:18:42 this is a plain input field? Feb 24 06:19:09 mojo textfield Feb 24 06:20:53 Ok so change the model.value of the textfield like we talked about earlier Feb 24 06:21:28 and for the listeners either do element.observe() or this.controller.listen Feb 24 06:21:43 i have but get an undefined from line 35 Feb 24 06:47:00 WTF is going on here: http://www.pastie.org/840096 Feb 24 06:47:15 this yields a menu that looks like this: http://img203.yfrog.com/i/screenshot20100223at104.png/ Feb 24 06:48:05 oh never mind...typo Feb 24 06:48:16 add way to fail though :) Feb 24 06:48:26 any php pros in here Feb 24 06:49:27 codeslaw: know some php, what u need? Feb 24 06:49:37 well, i'm using mkdir to create a directory Feb 24 06:49:46 to move a file to Feb 24 06:50:11 when i create it though, it's with a different ownership, and i can't write to it in the same script Feb 24 06:50:33 you need to do a chown Feb 24 06:50:39 i did Feb 24 06:50:45 well wait, Feb 24 06:50:51 i might have set the wrong user Feb 24 06:50:57 yeah Feb 24 06:51:05 how do i get the proper user to set it to Feb 24 06:51:25 the error log is outputting the proper uid Feb 24 06:51:47 you need both proper chown and chmod Feb 24 06:51:47 but wouldnt there be a global constant that provides me the user id of the running script? Feb 24 06:51:58 chmod i got working Feb 24 06:53:21 chown doesn't seem to be working Feb 24 06:54:41 i had a similar problem once, trying to find my code Feb 24 06:54:52 Warning: chown() [function.chown]: Operation not permitted in ... Feb 24 06:55:21 the directories are created under the apache user name Feb 24 06:55:22 are you on a linux or unix machine? Feb 24 06:55:34 unix Feb 24 06:55:43 centOS actually Feb 24 06:55:58 are you Super User? Feb 24 06:56:15 so thats linux, nevermind Feb 24 06:56:50 cuss, u might not be able to modify unless you are root or superuser Feb 24 06:56:55 no, the script is not executing as super user Feb 24 06:57:45 the directory was created as user "apache" right? Feb 24 06:58:08 ya Feb 24 06:58:14 you can't chown Feb 24 06:58:46 yeah, u might have to be root to chown Feb 24 06:59:07 so, how can i create directories on the fly and then write files into them? Feb 24 06:59:12 http://php.net/manual/en/function.chown.php Feb 24 06:59:17 ya i found that Feb 24 06:59:19 on the top... Feb 24 06:59:42 codeslaw: as long as the apache server has write access to the directories (chmod 755 or something) then its fine Feb 24 06:59:44 what is the command you are suing? Feb 24 06:59:56 using Feb 24 07:00:13 move_uploaded_file Feb 24 07:00:45 AHA Feb 24 07:00:56 php safe mode is on Feb 24 07:01:07 i'm getting sick of my server turning that on by default Feb 24 07:01:13 let me see if this fixes Feb 24 07:01:18 try "chmod('/directory/',0744);" Feb 24 07:01:46 codeslaw: how did you overcome not being able to get binary data from canvas? Feb 24 07:03:10 jfelectron: i'm going to create a lightweight macroformat that describes ever user action, send that to the server, and have it recreate the whole thing via javascript client side, and let them download hi-res from there Feb 24 07:03:26 oooh...clever Feb 24 07:03:49 its tricky though... theoretically someone could work on the same file forever Feb 24 07:04:19 so i have to account for infinitely large user action macros Feb 24 07:04:45 haven't started on it though, going to dev out all the other pro features first Feb 24 07:06:23 sweet - php safe mode was screwing me after all Feb 24 07:07:35 does it work now? Feb 24 07:09:31 codeslaw: hmm....no word from palm yet on canvas improvements I assume? Feb 24 07:09:39 LoneStar99: yes Feb 24 07:09:43 jfelectron: nope Feb 24 07:10:06 well i'm calling it a night, now that this is up Feb 24 07:10:12 thanks for the help guys Feb 24 07:10:22 k laters Feb 24 08:15:07 hi Feb 24 08:21:32 hi Feb 24 08:21:35 all Feb 24 08:22:21 hi Feb 24 08:22:28 you Feb 24 08:23:39 can anybody explain how to use events? Feb 24 08:24:39 I need control keypress event and want control typing in Textfield Feb 24 08:25:00 now I can't forbid typing in textfield Feb 24 08:25:15 it's make me sad :( Feb 24 08:25:50 well... it's a textfield. you're supposed to type in there ;) Feb 24 08:26:14 have you read the documentation? Feb 24 08:26:23 yes, I need change letters to other Feb 24 08:26:46 but I need change standard typing to my own function Feb 24 08:27:12 you want to remap keys? Feb 24 08:27:18 I can catch keypress event, but can't change standard behavior Feb 24 08:27:31 yes Feb 24 08:28:53 there are some functions to map the keys to shift or orange by default Feb 24 08:29:23 but apart from that i can't think of anything thaz might help Feb 24 08:30:28 Shura0: event.preventDefault() Feb 24 08:31:33 also in the first place do this.controller.document.addAsEventListener('keydown',this,handleKeydown.bind(this),true) Feb 24 08:31:34 jfelectron, wow! Thank you, I'll look it Feb 24 08:32:00 the true allows the handler to capture the event first rather than after the normal chain Feb 24 08:32:14 hi Feb 24 08:32:17 also try event.stop() Feb 24 08:33:58 ok Feb 24 08:35:20 One more question about homebrew Feb 24 08:35:22 i just found some processes named on my pre. someone knows what that might be? Feb 24 08:35:36 also i can't kill them Feb 24 08:35:44 yes, I have it also Feb 24 08:35:53 and a battery safer Feb 24 08:35:57 is it possible to make daemon or kernel module for keyboard spying? Feb 24 08:36:11 Shura0: nope Feb 24 08:36:20 do they belong to some topbar patches? Feb 24 08:36:21 yes, with PDK Feb 24 08:36:21 well for homebrew yes Feb 24 08:36:38 Chais_z3r0: no top bar patch Feb 24 08:37:29 i have them since i installed show network in top menu Feb 24 08:38:16 ateast i think so Feb 24 08:38:22 +l Feb 24 08:41:12 any idea, what they belong to? Feb 24 08:42:24 Chais_z3r0: what user are they executing as? Feb 24 08:44:20 root i guess. i don't know of any other user Feb 24 08:53:29 jfelectron, should I deactivate this event in deactivate section? Feb 24 08:53:58 do event.stop() and event.preventDefault() in your keydown event handler Feb 24 08:55:27 It's I understood. Webos manual talks that events should be deactivated in 'deactivate' section, this frees memory when program closes Feb 24 08:56:25 oh Feb 24 08:56:31 understood Feb 24 08:58:22 Shura0: that meand deactivating listeners....so you should deactivate your keydown event listener in deactivate Feb 24 08:58:35 thank you Feb 24 09:03:22 jfelectron: any idea? Feb 24 09:10:24 nope sorry...is it an active process? Feb 24 09:19:15 Chais_z3r0, I haven't that proccess Feb 24 09:19:26 try to kill them :) Feb 24 09:20:08 i did. i can't Feb 24 09:20:32 jfelectron: how do i know if it's an active process? Feb 24 09:21:27 Chais_z3r0, why can't? Which error? Feb 24 09:23:48 morning Feb 24 09:23:54 can you hear me? Feb 24 09:26:36 hi Feb 24 09:26:37 yes Feb 24 09:29:51 ah, good Feb 24 09:39:26 Shura0: no error. it just won't close Feb 24 09:40:14 try `kill -9 ` Feb 24 09:40:48 that's the next problem. they have no pid Feb 24 09:41:56 what are you trying to do? Feb 24 09:42:56 i have some processes on my pre Feb 24 09:43:20 i want to know what they belong to Feb 24 09:47:37 Chais_z3r0, then try `killall -9 ""` Feb 24 09:52:58 maybe they are just some bugs inside jstop? Feb 24 09:53:47 maybe. Shura0 i can't type < or > in the console Feb 24 09:55:26 Chais_z3r0, which console you use? Try Terminal. Shift+, and Shift+. Feb 24 09:56:22 BTW, is it possible to connect to palm emulator with terminal? Feb 24 09:56:32 via novacom or ssh Feb 24 09:57:00 on osx i just use novaterm while emu is running Feb 24 09:57:50 hallo metaview Feb 24 09:58:48 and on the pre i use terminal. and shift orange w results in + Feb 24 09:59:14 oh got it ^^ Feb 24 10:00:57 i get "newline unexpected" oO Feb 24 10:33:25 has anybody tried to use SetupSquidTransparentProxy instructions from webos-internals.org? Feb 24 10:35:12 squid installation and configuration worked fine but after that the page requests to enable WiFi Feb 24 10:35:39 I haven't found a way to switch WiFi on in emulator Feb 24 10:40:10 it doesn't support it yet Feb 24 10:40:30 clearly written on palm Feb 24 10:43:52 ok, I'm working in corporate environment where web can be reached only through proxy Feb 24 11:17:46 rehi Feb 24 11:26:09 wb Feb 24 12:17:33 whoa, user registration of my app is going crazy Feb 24 12:17:45 a new registration every 2-3 minutes Feb 24 12:19:43 meaning it's not working or tjat everyone wants it? Feb 24 12:19:55 *that Feb 24 12:20:54 the app registers itself Feb 24 12:21:26 so you have lotsa downloads Feb 24 12:22:59 1558 today, 13798 total Feb 24 12:26:33 which app? Feb 24 12:29:13 moo Feb 24 12:29:38 com.inorbit.moo Feb 24 12:34:55 hey seen that ^^ but why shall it register? Feb 24 12:39:01 did you install it? Feb 24 12:40:39 no Feb 24 12:40:51 too bad :) Feb 24 12:40:52 i see no need to hear animals ^^ Feb 24 12:41:09 you don't have kids then? Feb 24 12:41:33 kids love to learn animal sounds Feb 24 12:41:43 and since you said it's phoning home, who knows what else it does Feb 24 12:42:18 no i haven't. i think 22 might be a bit early Feb 24 12:42:32 it's open source so you can check what it does Feb 24 12:42:36 :) Feb 24 12:42:57 i wouldn't understand yet Feb 24 12:44:40 collecting registration data is useful to understand how many people upgrade and what os version they have Feb 24 12:44:54 also, which features they like and which they don't Feb 24 12:51:19 hmm right Feb 24 12:53:42 if you have a great feature but everyone turns it off in the preferences ... Feb 24 12:53:46 something is wrong :) Feb 24 15:20:16 anyone have a metadata update yesterday get stuck in "being reviewed" ? this is so frustrating, and it absolutely sucks that there is only one person who can "fix" things like that Feb 24 15:35:44 the service Request to connectionManager always responds with isInternetConnectionAvailable:true in the emulator is this a bug? Feb 24 15:36:03 even when i set the airplane mode Feb 24 15:48:09 Hi. I'm looking for a way to extract data from an rss feed using mojo. I'm currently trying with prototype Ajax.request. is this the preferred way? Feb 24 15:48:30 sepisultrum: yes Feb 24 15:48:51 yes, i think so, look at the sample com.palm.app.news application from the SDK this is exactly what you are looking for Feb 24 15:49:40 sugardave: so how can I get to the content of the request? using responseXML? I counln't find documentation on this responseXML field Feb 24 15:49:58 rretsiem: ahh, I'll have a look Feb 24 15:50:39 sepisultrum: it depends on the back end...you could parse responseText, responseXML or responseJSON Feb 24 15:50:44 but only if they're sending it back Feb 24 15:51:30 * sugardave is going to make all his web "apps" pump out JSON from now on. Feb 24 15:52:11 JSON is a lot simpler to handle, so kudos to you! :) Feb 24 15:52:27 yeah, it is nice Feb 24 16:32:47 when sending a file upload via the DownloadManager, do I need to return a special header from the serverside php script? Feb 24 16:39:43 i have proof Feb 24 16:55:43 anyone know if webos supports: -webkit-transform: rotate(-90deg); Feb 24 16:56:22 I'm requesting some XML unsing ajax. How can I get the data returned and passed to the onSuccess method into a model which is an attribute of the MainAssistant? Feb 24 16:58:37 look at http://www.w3schools.com/ for infos about to parse the xml, then you set the model this.myModel.yxz = value; and call changemodel Feb 24 16:59:14 MetaView: well, but how can I access the model? Feb 24 16:59:38 I thaught it was not defined in the onSuccess callback Feb 24 17:00:05 MetaView: the xml parsing is working allready Feb 24 17:06:41 rehi Feb 24 17:10:00 * BoomerET waves Feb 24 17:11:07 MetaView: I now use a named method instead of a lambda and bind it to this :) Feb 24 17:20:05 chuqui: Thanks! Feb 24 17:20:39 no problemo! Feb 24 17:27:12 the service Request to connectionManager always responds with isInternetConnectionAvailable:true in the emulator is this a bug? Feb 24 17:31:17 chuqui: why are metadata changes sitting with "being reviewed" when there is no app change? Feb 24 17:31:43 everything goes through some kind of review. what if you started using NAUGHTY WORDS in your app description? (shudder) Feb 24 17:33:11 what are naughty words? Feb 24 17:33:59 sepisultrum: you can even bind annonymous functions Feb 24 17:34:01 chuqui: ok, fair enough, but I drop the price by a penny and have to wait around at least a day, if not more (which also means I can't make any other changes in the meantime) ? Feb 24 17:34:17 one penny? Feb 24 17:34:28 MetaView: changed from $1 to $.99 Feb 24 17:34:51 MetaView: but I wanted to also change the description now, and its un-updateable Feb 24 17:34:52 ok, save a penny with each buy Feb 24 17:35:06 naughty words are {redacted}, {redacted}, {redacted} and {oh my god, did we redact this} Feb 24 17:35:32 ok, just 4 words, fair enough :) Feb 24 17:35:44 iphone, ipad, ipod, imac ? Feb 24 17:35:44 MetaView: whether it is a penny, or a dollar or 10, that should not matter Feb 24 17:35:51 kmudrick -- yup. so plan your changes and do them all at once... (yes, the process can be improved... over time, it will be...) Feb 24 17:36:36 the process is hard for me too, I usually find bugs when I finished publishing.... Feb 24 17:39:19 chuqui: so, did things change recently? i seem to remember metadata changes getting a different label like "Metadata update" instead of "Being reviewed" before, and going through quicker Feb 24 17:39:30 i found out what my processes belong to Feb 24 17:39:40 kmudrick you think they tell me these things? Feb 24 17:39:59 Chais_z3r0: what does they beong to? Feb 24 17:40:14 to the network patch Feb 24 17:40:17 chuqui: maybe as small little birds :) Feb 24 17:40:27 Chais_z3r0: network patch? which one? Feb 24 17:40:42 mom i look uo the name Feb 24 17:40:42 hheh. I finally started doing wallpapers for the pre with my photos. Feb 24 17:40:46 *up Feb 24 17:40:49 speaking of little birds... Feb 24 17:41:08 http://chuqui.smugmug.com/Nature/Mobile-Wallpaper/11335236_3mxjZ#795931616_wveNb Feb 24 17:43:32 our sparrows look differnet Feb 24 17:43:58 can you give me 18 of your bird pics for my memory-style game? :) Feb 24 17:44:19 chuqui, sweet. Feb 24 17:45:00 metaview drop me an email (chuq@palm.com) and we'll work it out. Feb 24 17:45:14 thx Feb 24 17:46:21 the one to show the network type in top bar menu Feb 24 17:48:57 patch is called "Toggle 3G in Device Menu" Feb 24 17:54:23 anyone got file uploads with downloadmanager working? Feb 24 18:01:05 the palm website explicitly names eclipse 3.4.2. is version 3.5.2 supported? Feb 24 18:01:39 Chais_z3r0: it's mine Feb 24 18:01:52 it doesn't create any tasks ar something Feb 24 18:02:22 but the anon task disappeared after i uninstalled it Feb 24 18:02:26 is it the one which open a submenu with Auto, 2G, 3G? Feb 24 18:02:32 aye Feb 24 18:02:57 it's really only a short cut to the prefs in the phone settings Feb 24 18:03:14 you will see after a reset the thre ??? Feb 24 18:03:17 i think so. i'm just telling what i saw Feb 24 18:03:37 it means the patch doesn't really check the network type, it just has the state in core Feb 24 18:03:40 regard it as a bug report ^^ Feb 24 18:03:54 which I don't believe :) Feb 24 18:04:14 grml... mom. i'l reinstall and make a screenshot Feb 24 18:04:26 I have the patch and the anon in jstop Feb 24 18:04:48 but maybe after a reset the anon are gone? for a limited time? Feb 24 18:05:02 hmm Feb 24 18:05:22 point. uninstall requires a luna reset Feb 24 18:05:39 then wait without installed patch and let's talk tomorrow, ok? Feb 24 18:05:49 and point, there's one again Feb 24 18:06:51 ok... where the heck do these ghosts come from Feb 24 18:07:01 I don't know Feb 24 18:07:19 and I believe, they were just hidden in former versions of jstop Feb 24 18:07:27 possibly Feb 24 18:09:57 and is eclipse 3.5.2 supported by palm? or by the needed plugins? Feb 24 18:14:37 How can I make a group with an html widget resize automatically according to their content in ares? Also what css class is the default for normal text? Feb 24 18:25:55 ah. aptana doesn't support eclipse 3.5 Feb 24 18:42:05 heya Feb 24 18:42:44 has anyone seen adora? Feb 24 18:42:56 !seen adora Feb 24 18:43:09 you need a bot in here ^^ Feb 24 18:43:28 yeah Feb 24 18:43:44 they have one in #webos-internals Feb 24 18:49:33 his swisstomcat Feb 24 18:49:39 hey lonestar Feb 24 19:17:14 hey swisstomcat was up? skype won't Feb 24 19:18:50 i was online Feb 24 19:18:55 shall i try again? Feb 24 19:20:37 don't see you Feb 24 19:20:55 i'm online Feb 24 19:21:02 strange Feb 24 19:22:06 here she it! Feb 24 19:22:08 is Feb 24 19:22:11 it's adora Feb 24 19:22:55 i need to talk to you :) Feb 24 19:23:23 noaXess: can't see you either Feb 24 19:24:03 i' on Feb 24 19:24:32 me too Feb 24 19:27:41 swisstomcat: what's up? Feb 24 19:30:22 so now. i figured out how to install the aptana plugins without the whole studio. so which plugins do i need? Feb 24 19:30:33 is the web development plugin enough? Feb 24 19:36:30 uh, there was a skype update, looks terrible now... Feb 24 19:37:10 has anyone a ideo how to test the connectionManager service in the emulator? Feb 24 19:37:14 *idea Feb 24 19:38:22 no Feb 24 19:38:30 I don't use the emu anymore... Feb 24 19:38:57 i only have have the emu at the moment... Feb 24 19:47:48 finally ^^ webos sdk in eclipse without nagging aptana errors Feb 24 19:53:47 ping adora Feb 24 19:53:55 hallo metaview Feb 24 20:09:41 do apps have a stageController by default? Feb 24 20:09:52 hey codeslaw Feb 24 20:09:56 sup swisstomcat Feb 24 20:10:48 howdy codeslaw Feb 24 20:12:18 swisstomcat: as im from germany, and i try to open a developer account for app submission, which type do you have chosed? because out-side US its pretty hard to understand what Palm wants here, or im wrong? Feb 24 20:12:55 which type? where exactly? Feb 24 20:13:43 I would like to submit a free app, but not opensource Feb 24 20:14:05 ok Feb 24 20:14:08 so i need a Developer Account Feb 24 20:14:11 right Feb 24 20:14:25 and Palm asks for tax numbers and so on Feb 24 20:14:36 but i wouldnt get paid for my apps Feb 24 20:14:43 i can check what i filled out Feb 24 20:15:11 do you have a company/business or private? Feb 24 20:15:15 private Feb 24 20:15:18 im also Feb 24 20:16:22 name on tax return: empty company name: my name type of ownership: unknown country of tax residency: your country tax reference number: n/a Feb 24 20:16:27 you could also ask metaview Feb 24 20:16:49 codeslaw: yes, except not multi-stage apps Feb 24 20:16:52 is metaview from germany? Feb 24 20:17:31 but thanx for the info swisstomcat Feb 24 20:17:41 yes, he's from germany Feb 24 20:19:04 where did adora go? Feb 24 20:21:00 what was? Feb 24 20:21:29 Metaview i have some questions for opening a developer account from germany Feb 24 20:21:33 I see Feb 24 20:21:47 you don't need the Tax number as I see Feb 24 20:21:49 can we direct chat? Feb 24 20:22:00 I have it, but without payment you wouldn't need it Feb 24 20:22:03 yes Feb 24 20:27:19 please pray Feb 24 20:28:06 It would be cool to be able to make a transparent card like the launcher app... but I can't figure out how it does it. Feb 24 20:29:59 like you can buy? Feb 24 20:30:24 should be easy, or? get("body").setStyle(opacity:0) ? Feb 24 20:30:42 anyone know how I would get the content from the following DIV on Tap: "
this content
Feb 24 20:31:23 innerText? Feb 24 20:31:28 innerHTML? Feb 24 20:31:46 MetaView: I will give that a shot. I guess I could buy cleancard and see how they do it. I just want to make an app that is like opacity .4 or something, Feb 24 20:33:02 second try: Duke3D Feb 24 20:33:55 LoneStar99: this.controller.get("sg12").innerHTML Feb 24 20:34:13 lyht: will try that Feb 24 20:34:24 yeah!!!! Feb 24 20:34:38 there is Duke3D on my phone, again... Feb 24 20:34:47 no phone without Duke3D Feb 24 20:34:47 MetaView: how??? Feb 24 20:34:48 :) Feb 24 20:34:51 anyone ever seen this much advertisement on one page?: http://www.javascriptbank.com/differences-between-innertext-and-textcontent.html/en/ Feb 24 20:34:59 there's asphalt5 on my device :) Feb 24 20:35:06 I ported it, was a walk in the park, compared to Palm OS Feb 24 20:35:19 You ported it? You are a rockstar Feb 24 20:35:35 nope Feb 24 20:35:40 really easy Feb 24 20:36:19 LoneStar99: that is crazy, I can't even figure out where the actual page content is. Feb 24 20:36:19 it was like 1 hour on WebOS (after several hours getting the framework up and running) instead of 3 or 4 days on Palm OS Feb 24 20:36:31 nice. Wanna share? :) Feb 24 20:36:39 Palm people? Feb 24 20:36:58 reality9110: what do you mean? Feb 24 20:37:10 I need to speak to an employee of the company Palm... Feb 24 20:37:18 adora was here before Feb 24 20:37:22 lyht: I put it on my website when I figure out the controls Feb 24 20:37:24 And for the love of all that is holy, somebody competent. Feb 24 20:37:37 app catalog problems again? Feb 24 20:37:46 hahaha, reality9110 that made me laugh Feb 24 20:37:47 Yeah. I'm no longer listed in the Pre catalog. Feb 24 20:37:56 again? Feb 24 20:37:59 First Pixi...now Pre. Feb 24 20:38:07 that sucks Feb 24 20:38:17 what's the app? Feb 24 20:38:22 chuq would be the man, but he is not here. Feb 24 20:38:49 And the customer support representative I just spent 45 minutes on the phone with...completely clueless. I wanted to commit suicide after hearing just how idiotic a person could be. Feb 24 20:38:51 reality9110: that sucks Feb 24 20:38:59 lyht: I'm already emailing chuq Feb 24 20:39:30 chuq will be on vacation starting march 1st .. unplugged Feb 24 20:39:49 radiotime? Feb 24 20:40:09 swisstomcat: so i am guessing all those "zero star cleanups" from january will get pushed back even farther eh? Feb 24 20:40:34 zero start cleanups? Feb 24 20:40:59 * MetaView should submit his radio app soon Feb 24 20:41:04 i'm not holding my breath, kmudrick Feb 24 20:41:13 MetaView: yes, you know how chuq manually goes through and cleans out the zero star "could not install" type reviews Feb 24 20:41:16 reality9110: what is your app? Feb 24 20:41:24 chuq is supposed to clean out zero star reviews manually .. weekly Feb 24 20:41:31 kmudrick: oh, I have several of them already too Feb 24 20:41:39 lyht: RadioTime. Feb 24 20:42:07 funny, thing is, I wanted to call my app RadioTime but before beta release made a search and found yours :) Feb 24 20:42:26 Yeah...licensed and trademarked. Feb 24 20:42:34 the project folder is still called RadioTime, is a nice name Feb 24 20:42:38 radiotime is listed on preware Feb 24 20:43:05 v.1.0.8 Feb 24 20:43:27 lyht: RadioTime... Feb 24 20:43:37 Woops...sorry. Scrolled up. Feb 24 20:43:49 do you guys notice a surge of new user downloads whenever you update, just as a result of the recent apps list? Feb 24 20:43:56 codeslaw: Yes Feb 24 20:44:01 codeslaw: yes Feb 24 20:44:08 yeah, i just update mine and got 2000 new downloads Feb 24 20:44:15 ya Feb 24 20:44:39 We get about 20-40000 new users on each update. Feb 24 20:44:50 i see apps in teh top 10 hot apps list updating every 10 days or so with seemingly no changes whatsoever Feb 24 20:45:07 that's probably their trick Feb 24 20:45:17 frustrating that there is only 1 person who seems to be the gateway to getting things fixed, in the entire organization Feb 24 20:45:33 kmudrick: yep Feb 24 20:45:47 preware lists radiotime from the app catalog feed but the app catalog doesn't find it Feb 24 20:46:06 and it seems to break quite often Feb 24 20:46:52 anyone on who has used DownloadManager for uploading images? Feb 24 20:47:05 or any file, really Feb 24 20:47:19 codeslaw: i have yet to use DownloadManager Feb 24 20:47:44 I tried but failed Feb 24 20:48:02 MetaView: Whats your radio app do? Feb 24 20:50:12 plays manual entered streams with alarm and sleep: ÜberRadio on precentral Feb 24 20:50:42 anyone know approx. cost for being featured in the app catalog? Feb 24 20:52:12 codeslaw: no, unfortunately Feb 24 20:52:36 i thought it was based on the rating? >4.6 Feb 24 20:52:52 no Feb 24 20:53:06 theres a 3.5 rated app up there now Feb 24 20:53:16 i know you have to bid Feb 24 20:53:17 codeslaw: I've got a list. Feb 24 20:53:22 codeslaw: No you don't. Feb 24 20:53:26 no? Feb 24 20:53:29 no Feb 24 20:53:34 hows it work Feb 24 20:53:35 you pay to have your app features? Feb 24 20:53:39 There's a bunch of requirements. Feb 24 20:54:03 one of mine app is at 4.6 now Feb 24 20:54:05 Decent reviews, show off what WebOS can do, good user interface design, use of elements, etc. Feb 24 20:54:32 you dont have to pay? Feb 24 20:54:34 RadioTime was featured about 1 month ago. Feb 24 20:54:42 We didn't pay anything. Feb 24 20:54:48 son of a Feb 24 20:54:59 i could have sworn i read it was bidding process Feb 24 20:55:15 i think my app would be a good candidate, who do i talk to? Feb 24 20:55:20 will be Feb 24 20:55:26 it's a great app Feb 24 20:55:37 a bidding process Feb 24 20:55:41 codeslaw: what's your app? Feb 24 20:55:45 paintr lite Feb 24 20:55:48 codeslaw: Talk to your handler. Feb 24 20:56:04 how do i find out who my handler is? Feb 24 20:56:24 didn't only early developers get a handler? Feb 24 20:56:31 Maybe Feb 24 20:56:33 no handlers for new devs Feb 24 20:57:02 i guess chuq would again be the one to ask Feb 24 20:57:30 before Mar 1 Feb 24 20:59:27 or a week after Feb 24 21:00:17 well either way, i need to get this uploader working so i can submit an update Feb 24 21:04:15 get the update in the catalog & wait until the DL bump is over. Then get it featured for another bump. Feb 24 21:05:17 how long does a bump usually last .. a day or so? Feb 24 21:08:23 heya, question on app lifecycle Feb 24 21:08:45 is there an event for app shutdown? I want to know when I should set an alarm for running a background, windowless task for Spaz Feb 24 21:11:47 besides cleanup? Feb 24 21:13:14 is there a cleanup event for the app controller? Feb 24 21:13:57 why wait? Feb 24 21:15:13 probably to maximize each separate bump Feb 24 21:15:24 set the alarm & if app running, reset Feb 24 21:17:27 haeffb_pre: ah, yes, I was thinking about that too. Just dump out if it's already open. Feb 24 21:18:45 but there should also be deactivate & cleanup for AppAssist... Feb 24 21:19:31 but don't know how much time you have in each... Feb 24 21:20:31 gnight guys Feb 24 21:21:18 night Feb 24 21:22:37 right Feb 24 21:24:03 hi everyone Feb 24 21:24:23 is it possible to generate a list dynamically?? Feb 24 21:24:26 ok, filepicker, do i have to define a stageController to use it? i just want it to return the URL of a file the user selects Feb 24 21:25:53 yatharth, yes Feb 24 21:25:58 I think it needs the stage controller Feb 24 21:26:04 but why wouldn#t you have one? Feb 24 21:27:18 codeslaw: regarding featured apps... Feb 24 21:27:28 yez? Feb 24 21:27:39 the previous discussion is correct, that there's currently no bidding process, but there will be in the future Feb 24 21:28:01 but your app is totally awesome and needs to be featured asap =] Feb 24 21:28:07 hey adora Feb 24 21:28:10 codeslaw: sorry. all apps have stageController. Feb 24 21:28:16 thanks man Feb 24 21:28:28 swisstomcat: sorry I'm so swamped, got your email Feb 24 21:28:33 chuq responded and forwarded to the biz team he said, so maybe i'll hear from them Feb 24 21:28:57 codeslaw: that's the right way to go, and I'll +1 you if I can Feb 24 21:29:03 adora: ok .. let me know if you need further information or you want to talk Feb 24 21:29:20 much appreciated Feb 24 21:29:27 swisstomcat: I'll definitely be back in touch Feb 24 21:29:38 ok, great Feb 24 21:29:48 multi-stage might not have StageAssistant Feb 24 21:31:02 no? Feb 24 21:31:29 don't have to Feb 24 21:31:31 bleh, bbl work meeting Feb 24 21:32:18 Howdy there! Feb 24 21:32:23 night everyone Feb 24 21:32:33 haeffb_pre:How? Feb 24 21:34:34 How can i generate the list dynamically? Feb 24 21:35:50 What about lists? Feb 24 21:35:54 Perhaps I can help? Feb 24 21:36:54 I want to generate the list dynamically......Actually i don't know in the beginning that how many elements do my list have? Feb 24 21:37:19 A Mojo list? Feb 24 21:37:51 to follow-up, AppAssistant.cleanup() does get called if you define it Feb 24 21:38:11 Just update the contents on the list, no need to generate it dynamically Feb 24 21:38:22 good night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kzs_voMP8 Feb 24 21:39:13 anyone know how to set a value programatically in the following text field example: http://pastebin.com/sKqHMQGt Feb 24 21:39:59 can't seem to figure it out... Feb 24 21:40:11 LoneStar99: You can try to update the model Feb 24 21:40:15 Would that work? Feb 24 21:41:10 kesne have tried the following: "this.textFieldAtt.value = 'a value';" Feb 24 21:41:21 is that the correct way? Feb 24 21:41:47 Probably not Feb 24 21:41:54 Do you know how to update a model? Feb 24 21:42:27 not quite sure, have not updated a model, programitally Feb 24 21:42:45 programmaticly Feb 24 21:43:06 Hmm Feb 24 21:43:14 I don't rmemeber off the top of my head Feb 24 21:44:39 LoneStar: this.model.original = ''; Feb 24 21:44:39 this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); Feb 24 21:45:11 That should work Feb 24 21:45:15 Or https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1932&Itemid=310 Feb 24 21:45:21 use the "setvalue" method Feb 24 21:46:12 Tibfib: this.model.original = 'new value'; this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); should change to 'new value'? Feb 24 21:46:30 yep Feb 24 21:46:44 http://blog.makezine.com/computercostume.jpg Feb 24 21:46:59 Tibfib: will try that Feb 24 21:47:08 I set the value of my textfield under the model using the 'original' value Feb 24 21:47:45 same here "orginalValue" Feb 24 21:48:11 then do this.model.originalValue Feb 24 21:48:46 Hey what all formats video are supported in palm webos? Feb 24 22:02:04 Tibfib: no luck with the following example: http://pastebin.com/sKqHMQGt Feb 24 22:03:43 yeah thats off Feb 24 22:04:13 http://pastebin.com/jsTTaRLy Feb 24 22:04:54 I think you need model changed as well... so this one: Feb 24 22:04:55 http://pastebin.com/66j8P1Us Feb 24 22:06:50 ok let me try that Feb 24 22:09:19 what's the proper way to run a recurring function in webOS? Feb 24 22:10:13 Like every second, or something like that Feb 24 22:12:04 is there a mojo-specific way to do it? Or will i use general javascript? Feb 24 22:12:19 setInterval? Feb 24 22:12:42 there we go Feb 24 22:12:43 thanks Feb 24 22:16:55 Tibfib: it worked, just need more work on my code.... Feb 24 22:16:57 thanks Feb 24 22:17:18 np Feb 24 22:25:16 Yatharth: the general process is to save your list's model as a property of your sceneAssistant (i.e. this.myListModel = { ... }; ) Feb 24 22:25:42 You can use whatever default data you want in your list in setupWidget. Feb 24 22:26:22 kesne: how would I use a mojo function (this.function) with setInterval? Feb 24 22:26:32 It's not finding it. Feb 24 22:26:54 Then, later, when you want to change the list data, you change the list model. (i.e. this.myListModel = {new stuff}; ) and then call this.controller.modelChanged(this.myListModel); Feb 24 22:30:08 Tibfib: this.timeoutStartID = this.controller.window.setTimeout(this.timeToEvent.bind(this), 1000*60); Feb 24 22:30:20 setInterval should be similar... ? Feb 24 22:30:47 thanks Feb 24 22:32:43 Nice Feb 24 22:32:49 my chat application is up and running Feb 24 22:37:49 awesome Tibfib! Feb 24 22:39:20 It's fast... :D Feb 24 22:41:21 Yatharth: see this site for more info on lists: http://www.webos101.com/List Feb 24 22:41:31 Tibfib: cool. Feb 24 22:43:13 Tibfib: when are u releasing it? Feb 24 22:43:24 When it's ready. :) Feb 24 22:43:30 Hopefully a beta by the end of hte week Feb 24 22:43:48 MU Tigers vs Colorado tonight. laters. Feb 24 22:43:52 cya Feb 24 22:44:12 just need to improve the textbox and make crappy notifications (via email) Feb 24 22:45:16 k Feb 24 22:45:33 probably closed beta Feb 24 22:46:19 Anyone know why this isn't valid? http://webos.pastebin.com/mKfrNnBx Feb 24 22:46:29 oh duh Feb 24 22:46:41 nvm Feb 24 22:49:54 Nice, I've got a pretty good plan to save battery life while open Feb 24 22:51:34 the "pulling" intervals will decrease as time goes on if you don't recieve any texts. Feb 24 23:19:20 i'm noticing that my list widget is asking for 50 items when the app launches... is there a way to decrease that number? Feb 24 23:24:47 is there no way to listen for the enter key? Feb 24 23:24:54 I'm doing GPS requests in my app that are waaaay slow on the actual device, but super snappy on the emulator. I'm using the responseTime:1 parameter, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Feb 24 23:24:57 it isn't showing up in the key listener Feb 24 23:25:35 out of curiosity, can app code that is installed on the phone be viewed in any way? Feb 24 23:25:45 yep Feb 24 23:25:47 here is my code: http://pastie.org/841459 Feb 24 23:26:11 Tibfib: that yep was to me? Feb 24 23:26:31 well... which apps? Feb 24 23:26:38 downloaded or preinstalled? Feb 24 23:26:38 in general Feb 24 23:26:43 downloaded Feb 24 23:26:52 Thats a bit trickier Feb 24 23:26:56 but possible? Feb 24 23:27:05 Palm encrypts the apps Feb 24 23:27:11 I'm sure its possible, just difficult Feb 24 23:27:21 ok, that might be just good enough for me. Feb 24 23:27:53 i believe im going to end up having some sorta sensitive information in my app, and i was just worried that it would instantly be exposed. Feb 24 23:28:35 If people can get ahold of your .ipk, looking at the code is trivial. Feb 24 23:28:51 well, the .ipk wont be available. Feb 24 23:29:05 if this makes it, it will only be available as a downloaded app from Palm. Feb 24 23:29:14 no beta, no ipk. Feb 24 23:29:17 no preware. Feb 24 23:29:46 from the Palm App Store i should say. Feb 24 23:30:21 I think it will be good. Feb 24 23:30:28 Not making any promises Feb 24 23:30:52 Tibfib: dont worry. i wont hold you to it. :) Feb 24 23:30:59 thanks tho. Feb 24 23:31:30 of all the development communities i've dabbled in, i find this one, specifically this channel to be the most gracious and helpful. Feb 24 23:31:51 some other communities are like, "noob! /kick" Feb 24 23:32:45 heh Feb 24 23:33:33 the menalto gallery community was nice too... they helped while i was writing my module. Feb 24 23:33:49 Tibfib, you can grap an app thru usb mode Feb 24 23:34:01 using the quickinstaller Feb 24 23:34:30 dawm_: once the app is grabbed, can it be unpacked and the code inspected? Feb 24 23:34:40 well once installed its already unpacked Feb 24 23:34:54 dawm_: so all my source code would be easily browsable? Feb 24 23:34:58 you can tar the directory and grab the tar with webosquickinstaller, then unpack and poke around Feb 24 23:35:02 not easily Feb 24 23:35:11 but another developer could do it easily enough Feb 24 23:35:15 dawm: oh really? Feb 24 23:35:17 didn't know that Feb 24 23:35:37 hmm.. that might present some problems for me. Feb 24 23:35:42 its only encrypted in usb mode as in accessing the device as a drive Feb 24 23:35:47 you can still grab files using novacom Feb 24 23:36:21 webosquickinstall has a crude linux command line, in which you could archive the app directory Feb 24 23:36:27 dawm_: actually, it's always encrypted, but is decrypted for access inside Linux, but not via the USB drive Feb 24 23:36:32 i think ill look into that. Feb 24 23:36:41 rwhitby, yeah thats what i was trying to say Feb 24 23:37:10 so, basically everyone in this channel could easily see my sensitive code? Feb 24 23:37:14 in essence, all webOS javascript source code is in the clear for anyone with any small bit of Linux knowledge Feb 24 23:37:22 hrm. Feb 24 23:37:25 interesting. Feb 24 23:38:14 if you have a secret in your javascript code, it's not a secret. Feb 24 23:38:30 basically your js is as safe as it is on the web Feb 24 23:38:46 hmm Feb 24 23:39:01 you can obfuscate it, but thats easily reversed Feb 24 23:39:25 note that only 2% of webOS owners run homebrew anyway, so you may choose just to ignore the fact if they only downside is being able to use your app for free. but if the secret has wider consequences, then you may want to rethink Feb 24 23:39:45 rwhitby: indeed. Feb 24 23:39:55 the App would be free anyway. Feb 24 23:39:56 :) Feb 24 23:40:03 plus i dont see there being a 'warez' community around webos apps (yet) Feb 24 23:40:33 dawm_: there is (unfortunately), it's just not that visible Feb 24 23:40:58 mainly cause PreCentral and WebOS Internals take a hard line against it, so it's driven far underground. Feb 24 23:41:39 well thats good to know Feb 24 23:55:02 heh... javascript 'warez'. Feb 24 23:55:52 warez? Feb 24 23:55:59 heh Feb 24 23:57:13 heh? Feb 24 23:57:27 chair? Feb 24 23:57:53 warez is the l33t term for pirated software Feb 24 23:58:02 as in softwarez Feb 24 23:58:25 * haeffb_pre feels like the kid who has to sit by himself in the cafeteria at lunch. Feb 24 23:58:42 how old are you (if you don't mind me asking) Feb 24 23:58:49 yeah, know warez. Feb 24 23:58:51 i'm wondering if there's a significant generational gap Feb 24 23:58:53 44 Feb 24 23:59:04 oh, opposite of what i was expecting Feb 24 23:59:12 so ya, you know warez Feb 24 23:59:22 must have missed part of the convo Feb 24 23:59:34 oh look at that Feb 24 23:59:41 oh, you were ecpecting 44? Feb 24 23:59:44 relevant info: Feb 24 23:59:45 15:40 dawm_: plus i dont see there being a 'warez' community around webos apps (yet) Feb 24 23:59:46 15:40 rwhitby: dawm_: there is (unfortunately), it's just not that visible Feb 24 23:59:47 15:40 rwhitby: mainly cause PreCentral and WebOS Internals take a hard line against it, so it's driven far underground. Feb 25 00:00:13 i was secretly hoping you were younger than me, somehow thinking the younger folks wouldn't know what warez is Feb 25 00:00:22 but then i guess that would make me feel old Feb 25 00:00:37 haeffb_pre: dang, you beat me by 2 years Feb 25 00:01:45 rwhitby: why don't feeds include a last upfated field for each app to reduce dl of feed info? Feb 25 00:02:16 oh, and 'ha, pup' on the age thing... :) Feb 25 00:02:46 haeffb_pre: preware is using the underlying ipkg linux tool for all the feed handling stuff at the moment, and it just doesn't do that. Feb 25 00:03:05 WaReZ! Feb 25 00:03:11 we'll need to do a re-architecting for a preware generation 2 at some stage ... Feb 25 00:03:40 esc Feb 25 00:03:52 with a C-based service, and probably using XML or Ajax feeds Feb 25 00:04:08 especially when there are 100000 webos apps... Feb 25 00:05:04 so, somebody informed cobalt that his code is there for all to read? Feb 25 00:05:35 Yes...>.<... Feb 25 00:08:05 was that a problem? Feb 25 00:08:36 He wanted to store some sensitive info Feb 25 00:08:55 oh, i thought maybe he was already Feb 25 00:09:01 heh Feb 25 00:09:04 He is...badly worded Feb 25 00:09:11 i hated to burst his bubble Feb 25 00:09:12 oh dear... Feb 25 00:09:19 but i couldnt resist ;p Feb 25 00:19:45 heh Feb 25 00:19:47 'hey do u have a video card that i could trade u the slicks for?' Feb 25 00:20:17 computer side meets car side ;p Feb 25 00:34:04 the sensitive information may end up to be a non-issue Feb 25 00:34:21 i have to check with my "higher-ups" and see if there are any real concerns Feb 25 00:34:27 but i definitely appreciate the knowledge Feb 25 00:54:19 hi all Feb 25 01:15:23 helo JenP Feb 25 01:15:35 hey LoneStar99 Feb 25 01:15:47 anyone know if opera mini will work on webos? Feb 25 01:15:56 idk Feb 25 01:16:09 i don't know... Feb 25 01:17:30 oh i thought u meant IPK Feb 25 01:17:42 yeah Feb 25 01:20:41 it needs java Feb 25 01:20:54 it's really weird how we could get Febs report this morning , but not now Feb 25 01:21:16 oh really let me check Feb 25 01:22:19 oh yeah does not show Feb... Feb 25 01:22:45 do you guys *honestly* think it is weird? :) i mean, this whole system seems buggy as hell Feb 25 01:23:03 lol this is true kmudrick Feb 25 01:26:19 tigers up 48-32 @ half Feb 25 01:26:32 hi haeffb_pre! Feb 25 01:28:44 hi heaffb_pre: Feb 25 01:34:58 hi jenp and bmyers et al. Feb 25 02:16:56 sup :) Feb 25 02:18:44 anyone here with MSM knowledge on the pixi? :) Feb 25 02:27:51 MSM? Feb 25 02:29:19 radio chip Feb 25 02:29:45 i'm having a hell of a time trying to find the spc/msl on the phone. Feb 25 02:30:05 anyone know if there is a way for the palm pre to acces the internet when ou are on a call (non-wifi) Feb 25 02:30:23 dunno, sorry Feb 25 02:31:08 with the pre bieng cdma, doubtful. Feb 25 02:31:49 unless you have the gsm version :) Feb 25 02:32:21 don't know... just realized today that I can't be on the phone and on the net at the same time Feb 25 02:32:35 that sucks. what carrier? Feb 25 02:32:43 sprint Feb 25 02:33:24 yup. cdma, voice or data over the channel. not both at the same time Feb 25 02:35:31 tigers win 92-63 Feb 25 02:36:26 that sucks...... (the sprint thing).... Feb 25 02:36:30 haeffb_pre that's good right? Feb 25 02:36:40 now I have to decide if I want to keep it Feb 25 02:36:47 that's awesome Feb 25 02:37:00 oh ok...yeahhhhhh Feb 25 02:38:31 play at #6 Kansas State sat Feb 25 02:38:48 pre's a decent phone. at least you can use it on other carriers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 25 02:59:58 2010