**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 01 02:59:57 2010 Mar 01 03:20:28 hey dawm you still around? Mar 01 03:20:52 I use the touchstone/pre as an alarm clock. Works well. Mar 01 03:29:46 anyone know how to use the ImageView widget? Mar 01 03:29:48 ok i got a question, i am using the download managaer to download images on the fly and store them on the storage card, it has been working really well so far but it appears that 1.4 may have broken it, anyone know if there were changes to the download manager in 1.4? it appears to no longer create the destination folder if it doesnt exist Mar 01 03:29:57 codeslaw: i have used it, whats your question Mar 01 03:30:13 where do i pass it the list of URLS i want it to use Mar 01 03:31:42 liek this Mar 01 03:31:42 this.imgPicker.mojo.leftUrlProvided("leftimage.png"); Mar 01 03:31:42 this.imgPicker.mojo.centerUrlProvided("centerimage.png"); Mar 01 03:31:42 this.imgPicker.mojo.rightUrlProvided("rightimage.png"); Mar 01 03:32:53 i see Mar 01 03:33:10 then you can subscribe to teh move right and move left event and reset those three images Mar 01 03:33:32 are they automatically set to NULL when you flick? Mar 01 03:33:40 not sure actually Mar 01 03:33:47 ok i'll mess with it, thanks Mar 01 03:33:47 i just set them on flick so i didnt encounter that Mar 01 03:34:09 if you don't set leftURLProvided, then it wont let you move left? Mar 01 03:34:29 probably :D Mar 01 03:34:41 i wanted my list to be circular so i set left to the end of the array Mar 01 03:35:37 great idea! Mar 01 03:37:39 so I'm having a problem Mar 01 03:37:44 A few problems, actually Mar 01 03:38:08 After 1.4 browser wasn't doing anything. Found a post to uninstall Multi Mod so I did that and restarted. Now (1) launcher has only one page, (2) not all programs are listed, (3) typing letters doesn't bring up a text field and launch any program [was going to use that to launch Preware which isn't visible]. Ideas? Mar 01 03:41:06 Whoa. I added a new page and now type-to-launch works again. Weird. Mar 01 03:44:23 man, that USPS ad with the clown figurine the family received as a gift that they want to return makes me laugh every time Mar 01 03:45:34 First, the application menu background color has changed to the background color of my app. Mar 01 03:49:03 Secondly, the push/pop scene hierarchy doesn't respond as I would expect it. A div with an onTap event to push a scene will push the scene, but when you tap the div the nth time, and go to the new scene, and press the back gesture, the scene that was pushed by the div will push itself n times, until you use the back gesture n times to get back to the original scene Mar 01 03:49:28 that sounds complicated, but it's very simple Mar 01 03:50:10 I press this
the nths time, and have to use the back gesture n times(while my application pops and pushes this same scene n times), until I get back to the original scene Mar 01 03:51:22 any help? Mar 01 03:56:07 alexfner: Sounds like you mean to do a swapScene instead of a pushScene Mar 01 03:56:46 You're pushing the same scene onto the stack multiple times. I assume the scene is pushing itself on after some change Mar 01 03:57:10 hmm... Mar 01 03:57:45 Well I'm curious as to why this happens. Could you elaborate more? Mar 01 03:57:48 swapscene will work Mar 01 03:57:53 thanks Mar 01 03:58:26 anyone know if the download manager has changed in 1.4 it seems to not be creating the destination folder if it doesnt exist Mar 01 03:58:48 digitalpowers: this is a blurb from that book i'm reading - Mar 01 03:58:49 A start-up web company found itself short of disk space and, to save money, exported some free disk space from a UNIX desktop via NFS. This disk ended up being mounted on all the servers, since it provided a common component. After a blockwide power failure that outlasted the UPS, the company’s network would not come up. The workstation couldn’t finish booting without the DNS server running, and the DNS server required the NFS partition to be avai Mar 01 03:58:52 lable in order to complete its own boot process. Shortly afterward, the company hired an SA. Mar 01 03:59:16 NFS has a fantastic feature that if the server goes down the clients NFS access will freeze until the server comes back Mar 01 03:59:27 lol Mar 01 03:59:37 as opposed to timing out and potentially causing data loss Mar 01 03:59:40 ya, i lol'd Mar 01 03:59:53 Any idea on the reason for the menu background-color being the color of the scene? Mar 01 04:00:08 ok i am going to set the app to use images from the website until i can figure this download manager stuff out Mar 01 04:01:29 ok Mar 01 04:07:10 any way to change what scene application swaps when the back gesture is used? Mar 01 04:07:26 alright i upploaded a new version, give it a couple of hours and the images should be working again Mar 01 04:11:49 alexfner: Yes, you can intercept the backswipe to do something different. But I wouldn't. Mar 01 04:19:57 when i use the centerUrlProvided method, do I need to call anything else for the image to display? Mar 01 04:25:01 codeslaw: What is centerUrlProvided? Mar 01 04:25:34 ImageView widget Mar 01 04:29:14 nothings showing up >< Mar 01 04:35:29 codeslaw: Ah, never worked with it. Mar 01 04:35:37 Check webos101.com and see if there's anythong on the imageview there Mar 01 04:35:42 supposed to be easy, i'm probably doing something dumb Mar 01 04:35:43 If not, add stuff as you learn it Mar 01 04:35:44 i'll check Mar 01 04:35:50 *anything Mar 01 04:46:15 digitalpowers: you there? Mar 01 04:50:15 anyone ever had an issue with accidentally applying css styles to the applcation menu? Mar 01 04:58:08 haha, @foxycar answered my question on her formspring account: Mar 01 04:58:16 How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? (bonus question: How much would Chuq chuck?) Mar 01 04:58:16 Chuq can do anything, so I believe he can chuck as much wood as he damn well pleases Mar 01 04:58:44 Chuq's on holidays isn't he? Mar 01 04:59:02 I think so. Better be back tomorrow. I told him no slacking! Mar 01 05:07:00 It is sad that Palm is getting pounded in the market Mar 01 05:07:12 codeslaw: i am now but i am going to be gone shortly what did you need? Mar 01 05:07:33 none of the images are showing up Mar 01 05:07:41 using urls Mar 01 05:08:47 and when i try to log Object.toJSON(this.imageGallery.mojo) Mar 01 05:08:50 it returns nothing Mar 01 05:08:57 ahh Mar 01 05:09:01 which leads me to believe theres a problem with the widget Mar 01 05:09:04 i assigned this.imagePicker like this Mar 01 05:09:05 this.imgPicker = $("imgPicker"); Mar 01 05:09:40 i did the same =P Mar 01 05:10:03 this.imageGallery = $("imageWidget"); Mar 01 05:10:15 this.imageGallery.mojo.centerUrlProvided("http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/image_launch_a5.jpg"); Mar 01 05:10:19 hrm, waht does your html look like? Mar 01 05:10:37
Mar 01 05:10:42 surrounded by an empty div Mar 01 05:11:02 hrm seems right to me Mar 01 05:11:11 can't figure it out for the life of me Mar 01 05:11:16 where its breaking down Mar 01 05:11:24 what happens if you Object.toJOSN($("imageWidget") Mar 01 05:11:36 it is possible "this" is not bound in the event your in too Mar 01 05:12:02 did you do Mar 01 05:12:02 onLeftFunction: this.moveLeft.bind(this), Mar 01 05:12:02 onRightFunction: this.moveRight.bind(this) Mar 01 05:12:07 yes Mar 01 05:13:02 hrm i got nothing Mar 01 05:13:40 Object.toJOSN($("imageWidget") prints nothing in the log Mar 01 05:13:55 didn't have the JOSN typo, dont worry Mar 01 05:13:55 yeah seems like something is wrong with the widget setup Mar 01 05:13:56 try toJSON Mar 01 05:14:00 oh Mar 01 05:14:20 what does your setup widget line look like? Mar 01 05:15:23 http://pastebin.org/99261 Mar 01 05:16:55 am i missing some params Mar 01 05:18:31 nope i dont even have teh noExtractFS Mar 01 05:19:13 do i need to give the widget width/height? Mar 01 05:19:15 and i got to thinking about it, the $('') would work even if setupWidget was wrong Mar 01 05:19:24 i am giving mine width and height Mar 01 05:19:46 ok Mar 01 05:19:56 well, i need to get outta here, thanks a ton for the help Mar 01 05:20:02 i'll woodshed it tomorrow Mar 01 05:20:08 no problem, best of luck :) Mar 01 05:20:15 thanks, night Mar 01 05:33:24 How would I lock the screen with a centered spinner when a confirmation popup is dismissed? Mar 01 05:34:02 In other words, I have a popup dialog that says "luna restart required" with an "OK" button. I want the screen to lock with a big centerred spinner while I am waiting for Luna to restart (takes about 3 seconds) Mar 01 05:48:40 dBsooner, is there an updated 5x that works on 1.4? I just got an install error on v2 Mar 01 05:59:30 did anyone's palm-log break with 1.4? Mar 01 06:04:03 dBsooner: I'd be curious to know. I'm not aware of a way to prevent the center button from minimizing your app. Mar 01 06:10:58 dBsooner: uhh....in your button Tap handler, throw up a scrim and spinner...done Mar 01 07:01:08 does anyone know how to access data in the clipboard without using the built-in paste command in the application menu? Mar 01 07:17:40 does anybody heard about 1.4 update breaks pre/pixi? Mar 01 07:25:01 noaXess: what do you mean? Mar 01 07:28:23 noaXess, I've updated, no problem Mar 01 07:29:06 oh, no. I remember one problem. Patches from Preware can not be installed Mar 01 07:29:29 morning Mar 01 07:29:56 hey hey swisstomcat.. Mar 01 07:30:04 so.. do we need a information page fpr the 1.4 update? Mar 01 07:30:07 hey, what's up? Mar 01 07:30:15 i saw in webosinternals twitter some information.. Mar 01 07:30:42 what kind of information page? Mar 01 07:31:21 see here..Make sure Preware is 0.9.28, patches are up to date, and remove themes, mytether, cpu mods and any other manual file changes. Mar 01 07:32:16 Shura0: 20,000 people who installed Patches from Preware in the last 48 hours would disagree with you. Mar 01 07:32:38 hm, it's very strange Mar 01 07:32:47 hey rwhitby Mar 01 07:33:01 Preaware displays error 'patch not found' Mar 01 07:33:16 need any german information regarding preware/1.4? Mar 01 07:33:17 I've updated feeds, but no luck Mar 01 07:33:21 Shura0: I guess you aren't following @webosinternals on twitter Mar 01 07:33:36 you're right Mar 01 07:33:38 Shura0: what does the URL for webos-patches on your manage feeds page say? Mar 01 07:34:01 wait a minute, I'll look Mar 01 07:34:09 can anyone help me figure out how filepicker works? the documentation on palm.com doesn't really make sense to me -_- Mar 01 07:35:38 rwhitby, ../webos-patches/1.4.0 Mar 01 07:37:49 Shura0: ok, what's the exact error message in the IPKG Log window Mar 01 07:37:51 rwhitby: let me know if there's information in german needed Mar 01 07:38:13 rwhitby, md5sum mismatch, try to run 'ipkg update' Mar 01 07:38:31 Shura0: did you update feeds after that? Mar 01 07:38:38 yes Mar 01 07:39:12 menu -> Update feeds. Mar 01 07:39:32 and did it download lots of files, and the load lots of feeds? Mar 01 07:40:16 many 'Package.gz' from different urls Mar 01 07:40:37 and then what did the error say when you tried again to install? Mar 01 07:40:49 wow Mar 01 07:41:00 I've just updated feeds again Mar 01 07:41:08 and it's working Mar 01 07:41:14 which patch was it? Mar 01 07:41:34 clock -> open alarm list by default Mar 01 08:07:05 is this the proper way to set a background-image for a div, with an image in the /images/ folder? Mar 01 08:07:15 background-image:url('./images/button1.png'); Mar 01 08:07:48 not sure which is the "proper" way i normally jsut do images/button1.png Mar 01 08:08:09 well for some reason it isn't setting the background-image Mar 01 08:09:37 hmm, can the background be a transparent png? Mar 01 08:09:59 yep it can be Mar 01 08:10:06 hmm weird Mar 01 08:10:22 at least as far as i know it can i guess i am doing an img not a div Mar 01 08:11:42 are you doing background-image in the html or in the javascript portion? Mar 01 08:12:00 because if you are doing $('element').background-image that is wrong it would be .backgroundImage i think Mar 01 08:17:29 morgen metaview Mar 01 08:19:12 installing 1.4.. Mar 01 08:19:17 hi Mar 01 08:19:30 i doctored my pre to 1.4 yesterday .. no problems so far Mar 01 08:19:31 anyone knows how to prevent the default scene scrolling? Mar 01 08:19:41 let me check Mar 01 08:20:22 metaview: Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene( { "name" : "xxx", disableSceneScroller: true }); Mar 01 08:20:37 replace xx with your scene's name Mar 01 08:22:40 swisstomcat: very nice, thank you a lot Mar 01 08:25:13 I was looking on the wrong place... Mar 01 08:40:05 does anyone know how to find out which country (in the EFIGS sense) a webOS device is using? Mar 01 08:41:43 in javascript? Mar 01 08:41:49 yeah Mar 01 08:42:00 let me check Mar 01 08:42:00 aha: com.palm.systemservice //setPreferences «string=“{"locale": {"languageCode": "en", "countryCode": "gb"}}” Mar 01 08:42:06 that's how it is set Mar 01 08:42:23 i just read about this yesterday, have to find it again Mar 01 08:44:19 Mojo.Locale.getCurrentLocale Mar 01 08:44:36 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1880&Itemid=326#.getCurrentLocale Mar 01 08:45:02 com.palm.systemservice/getPreferences '{"keys":["locale"]}' Mar 01 08:45:29 { "locale": { "languageCode": "es", "countryCode": "us" } } Mar 01 08:45:31 the current locale is lang_country Mar 01 08:45:43 de_de or en_us or en_gb Mar 01 08:45:50 yeah Mar 01 08:45:54 as far as I know Mar 01 08:45:57 de_DE Mar 01 08:46:00 en_US Mar 01 08:46:28 divx videos on youtube doesn't work? Mar 01 08:46:36 for the palm pre, I mean Mar 01 08:48:01 hey roy Mar 01 08:48:03 hi Roy-Pre101 Mar 01 08:48:37 it's in the middle of night, maybe it is an auto rejoin :) Mar 01 08:48:48 :) Mar 01 08:50:25 ok, I'm off, bbl Mar 01 08:50:45 cu Mar 01 08:53:10 hi thar Mar 01 08:53:27 MetaView: not yet, but zsoc is working on an ffmpeg plugin for gstreamer Mar 01 08:53:39 hi Mar 01 08:54:37 so, I need some javascript which does a call to getCurrentLocale, grabs the country, and checks to see if it is in a list of upper case country identifiers ... Mar 01 08:56:29 let me put something together Mar 01 09:18:37 I have a strange issue with messaging app Mar 01 09:18:57 it does not allow to send messages longer 67 symbols in gtalk Mar 01 09:19:17 symbols are cyrillic Mar 01 09:20:52 I found js file with limitation, but it depends on some GSM standards, so, if I just change 67 to anything else in this file, it will OK? Will not it broke SMS messaging? Mar 01 09:22:32 i've heard of a bug where umlauts are counted as 2 characters Mar 01 09:23:59 probably in UTF all non-ASCII symbols are 2 bytes Mar 01 09:24:07 yeah Mar 01 09:24:13 not sure if this bug is in 1.4 still Mar 01 09:24:20 but gtalk has not any length limitation Mar 01 09:24:26 swisstomcat: see /msg Mar 01 09:24:32 k Mar 01 09:26:04 messaging app does not distinguish SMS and gtalk messaging... Mar 01 09:53:20 anyone having issues with palm-log using their 1.4 webos phone plugged into usb? Mar 01 09:53:25 i keep getting nothing but nulls Mar 01 09:56:37 what are you logging? Mar 01 09:56:45 "test" Mar 01 09:56:53 constants just to test Mar 01 09:56:55 heh Mar 01 09:57:24 Mojo.Log.error("test"); Mar 01 09:58:07 does it work on the emulator? Mar 01 09:58:32 yes Mar 01 09:58:40 emulator's not running webos 1.4 Mar 01 10:09:21 did you adjust the log-level to see the log-messages on the device? Mar 01 10:47:43 yea, everything was working pre 1.4 Mar 01 10:47:51 just curious if anyone else is having that problem Mar 01 11:11:21 how do you simulate the middle button in the emulator? Mar 01 11:11:45 what for? i usually use ESC Mar 01 11:12:13 esc is back gesture Mar 01 11:12:32 trying to test if someone clicks middle button to switch app Mar 01 11:13:01 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744#Emulator-KeyboardShortcutsEmulator Mar 01 11:13:09 thanks Mar 01 11:14:11 home is the center button apparently Mar 01 11:15:39 yep Mar 01 11:43:42 i need some help. i still am unable to send mail over a non-google smtp server and can't figure out why. the login data is correct. Mar 01 11:46:08 on my pre, that is Mar 01 11:58:06 fob: i have the same problem now with Mojo.Log.error ... only getting null on the device Mar 01 11:58:32 oh interesting Mar 01 11:58:44 looks like webos 1.4 broke it? Mar 01 11:58:49 good question Mar 01 11:59:00 fob, swisstomcat yeah, I resorted to novaterm + running LunaSysMgr in the foreground Mar 01 13:15:49 can i, by chance, find the author of jstop here? Mar 01 13:24:57 Chais_z3r0, do jstop work with 1.4? Mar 01 13:35:33 Shura0: it does Mar 01 13:36:00 very strange Mar 01 13:39:45 question: does anyone know how to access clipboard data? Mar 01 13:54:44 Shura0: Try in #webos-internals Mar 01 15:21:57 morning all Mar 01 15:22:08 morning Mar 01 15:25:03 evening! :) Mar 01 15:26:09 hi jep Mar 01 15:26:34 1.4 is taking forever to install on my Pre... Mar 01 15:27:01 its been at the 'installing update" screen for quite some time. like 10 minutes or more. Mar 01 15:27:32 cobalt027, did you remove all patches before installing update? Mar 01 15:27:37 oh, i just saw the indicator move. Mar 01 15:27:46 Shura0: yeah, i ran the EPR before uypdate. Mar 01 15:28:01 i've read that that should be necessary, but i didnt want to take any chances. Mar 01 15:28:58 then steel wait Mar 01 15:29:12 updating really take long time Mar 01 15:29:20 ya, the indicator is moving. Mar 01 15:29:44 ... and i thought DOWNLOADING it took a long time. actually installing it is seeming to take even longer. Mar 01 15:31:07 hi haeffb_pre! Mar 01 15:31:43 wuy up 2day? Mar 01 15:32:04 wut Mar 01 15:32:08 home today...rough night Mar 01 15:32:53 aw...sry Mar 01 15:33:04 meh...it happens. Mar 01 15:41:08 hi folks Mar 01 15:41:19 morning Bmyers Mar 01 15:41:24 morn Jenp Mar 01 15:41:42 hi haeffb_pre: Mar 01 15:44:35 Since 1.4, I have a really weird empty rectangle (like an undefined character or something) at the top of all scenes in one of my (homebrew) apps. Mar 01 15:45:50 It appears before anything in the view file, and doesn't seem related to the index.html. I don't even know where to look after that. Mar 01 15:46:36 so forward gestures are broken Mar 01 15:46:40 but i dont think palm cares =( Mar 01 15:49:23 hi bmyers Mar 01 15:49:39 how it going haeffb_pre ? Mar 01 15:49:43 Anyone here speak German? or Spanish? Mar 01 15:50:38 ok. headed south to look @ a bridge demolition Mar 01 15:57:05 haeffb_pre: sounds rad Mar 01 15:57:28 yeah takes some pics of explosion if at all possible Mar 01 15:59:09 any admobbers out there? Mar 01 15:59:36 trying to get the plug and play admob.js from googlecode to play and plugging.. Mar 01 16:03:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IEDM0MO5JE Mar 01 16:03:58 check it out... Mar 01 16:06:47 nice Mar 01 16:07:22 thanks Mar 01 16:07:46 Come on.. someone has to know Spanish or German.. Mar 01 16:10:32 i know about as much spanish and german as google translate does Mar 01 16:10:33 :D Mar 01 16:11:50 yea Mar 01 16:11:51 me too Mar 01 16:12:16 if you set "trueValue" and "falseValue", will those translate to other languages? Mar 01 16:12:35 in a widget. Mar 01 16:23:00 anyone know of a really fast video converter Mar 01 16:23:09 wish the pre played xvids Mar 01 16:39:27 morning Mar 01 16:40:09 morning lyht Mar 01 16:41:06 alrite where'd the 1.4 sdk go? Mar 01 16:45:15 to sdk heaven. Mar 01 16:45:22 it's in a better place now. Mar 01 16:45:25 anyone awake? Mar 01 16:46:04 barely Mar 01 16:46:50 well anyone know where 1.4sdk is or 1.4b4 Mar 01 16:47:55 uh public? Mar 01 16:48:06 my guess is they pulled it from dropbox cause they will are releasing it today. Mar 01 16:49:20 i c Mar 01 16:56:04 it released on friday Mar 01 16:56:23 many bugs Mar 01 16:56:27 broken forward-swipe =( Mar 01 16:57:14 codeslaw: are you talking about 1.4 on the phone or the sdk? Mar 01 16:57:39 phone Mar 01 16:58:17 I'm eagerly awaiting the SDK, hoping that it gives me a clue about how to fix my broken program. Mar 01 16:58:51 yah, crasheed was talking about the sdk, which they usually get out the next business day after it is released on the phone... if I remember right. Mar 01 16:59:01 So I am hoping today. Mar 01 17:00:02 anyone speak spanish or italian? Mar 01 17:00:08 or french? Mar 01 17:00:19 http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~adam/images/waterlog_2010-01-03_094813.png ←spent hours trying to figure out what those empty boxes are, failed. Mar 01 17:02:36 xalbo: those are only showing up in your program? Mar 01 17:02:57 Yes, just my program (the main stage and the dashboard). Mar 01 17:03:00 good day all Mar 01 17:03:12 morning Monroe Mar 01 17:03:22 Any idea if/when a 1.4 SDK will be released? Mar 01 17:03:26 xalbo: do you have other scenes? Mar 01 17:03:46 No. Mar 01 17:03:55 Monroe: I am pulling for today. Mar 01 17:04:09 xalbo: My first thought is something in your index file. Mar 01 17:05:31 A reasonable though. But then I stole the index.html file from something that worked (Style Matters, I think) and dropped it in in place, changing nothing but the css link, and the problem persisted. Mar 01 17:05:52 Then I completely emptied the css file, and that didn't fix it either. Mar 01 17:06:02 xalbo ... I'm late arriving .. what's the problem? Perhaps I can help Mar 01 17:06:12 http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~adam/images/waterlog_2010-01-03_094813.png ←spent hours trying to figure out what those empty boxes are, failed. Mar 01 17:06:25 yah, and I just tried to break the index.html file by sticking crap in there. and failed Mar 01 17:06:54 bizarre Mar 01 17:07:48 is the source html available somewhere to look at? Mar 01 17:08:32 I'll put it out in a few minutes, hang on... Mar 01 17:08:42 k Mar 01 17:11:21 http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~adam/webos/waterlog/ Mar 01 17:11:43 (hmm, it wants to serve index.html as the page; stupid program Mar 01 17:12:26 :) Mar 01 17:12:51 There we go. Mar 01 17:13:03 "renamed.index.html" is what was "index.html" Mar 01 17:13:07 anyone know if you can change the title of a Button widget at run time? Mar 01 17:14:21 dititalpowers, you mean the label? Mar 01 17:16:36 If you mean the label, you can set the label property on the model, and then call the SceneController's ModelChanged() method, which should redraw the button with the new label. Mar 01 17:19:00 OK.. so anyone French here? Mar 01 17:19:00 :) Mar 01 17:19:11 or can translate two small phrases to French for me? Mar 01 17:19:19 google and other services are failing me. Mar 01 17:20:08 dBsooner: ive had french in school. i could try Mar 01 17:20:18 if it isnt too complicated Mar 01 17:20:37 Call Log Mar 01 17:20:44 and "Hide Call Duration" Mar 01 17:20:57 i THINK hide call duration could be: Dure des appels Masquer Mar 01 17:23:06 or.. Mar 01 17:23:07 Masquer de Dures d'appel Mar 01 17:23:35 duree des appels masque, if anything Mar 01 17:23:48 but the latter is better as it is an action Mar 01 17:24:06 Masquer de Dures d'appel ? Mar 01 17:24:08 dbsooner: german? Mar 01 17:24:14 I got german. Mar 01 17:24:15 :) Mar 01 17:24:18 ah, ok Mar 01 17:24:29 i don't speak french well enough Mar 01 17:24:36 hape and hucksy__ got that Mar 01 17:24:48 I just need italian and french Mar 01 17:25:32 yes, either masquer de durees d'appel or durees des appel en masquer Mar 01 17:25:37 but probably the former Mar 01 17:26:17 what about "Call Log" Mar 01 17:26:21 I can't figure that one out Mar 01 17:26:26 journal des appels? Mar 01 17:26:31 I guess it could be "Call List" I don't think LOG has it Mar 01 17:27:14 dBsooner: or, log des appels. :) Mar 01 17:27:31 log is french? lol Mar 01 17:28:52 nope, its was a google fail Mar 01 17:28:57 lol Mar 01 17:29:00 Journal des Appels it is Mar 01 17:29:02 i think journal des appels is best match that i can think of right now Mar 01 17:31:06 anyway, good luck with that, i g2g Mar 01 17:31:33 dBsooner: if you dont get italian by tonight, i have a friend who knows italian whom i can ask Mar 01 17:31:47 i'll trust google Mar 01 17:31:48 :) Mar 01 17:32:08 and if its totally off, you can just blame google. :) Mar 01 17:32:42 but yeah, google translate is loads better now that it used to be Mar 01 17:39:41 xalbo you there? Mar 01 17:39:42 ok.. last one is ITALIAN? Mar 01 17:39:56 Anyone here able to translate two small phrases to itialian? Mar 01 17:40:22 Yes. Mar 01 17:40:35 (Yes to being here, I know no Italian.) Mar 01 17:40:54 ok .. anything in particular you have to do to get the boxes to show up? I downloaded the src, ran it in my emulator, and it seems to work fine? Mar 01 17:41:52 I don't have a 1.4 emulator; it worked fine 1.3.x in the emulator and on the phone, but produces the boxes on the phone under 1.4. Mar 01 17:42:01 ah ok Mar 01 17:42:17 I'll hook up my phone Mar 01 17:43:43 Thanks. Mar 01 17:48:32 lemketron: hate to bug you, but have you seen anything like this? Any quick suggestions? http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~adam/images/waterlog_2010-01-03_094813.png Mar 01 17:49:40 xalbo: what is the file encoding type on all your files? Mar 01 17:50:30 Whatever Komodo and possible palm-generate gave them. Mar 01 17:50:30 lyht, xalbo: I ran it in the 1.4 emulator and can't reproduce the boxes either Mar 01 17:51:00 lemketron: did you install the ipk or download the source? Mar 01 17:51:05 debug ipk Mar 01 17:51:33 weird, I tried it with b4, and the boxes did show up. Mar 01 17:51:45 oh, hang on... Mar 01 17:52:16 heh, I do see the boxes in the emulator; I wasn't actually running it in the emulator before, or viewing it anyway. Mar 01 17:52:29 dang. heisenberg strikes again. Mar 01 17:55:48 Wow this is crazy Mar 01 17:56:29 I feel somewhat vindicated that it wasn't anything obviously simple. Mar 01 17:56:36 hehe Mar 01 17:56:43 Did you start with the "Style Matters" app Mar 01 17:56:50 you left some stuff in index.html from there. Mar 01 17:57:20 Partway through, I replaced my index.html with the one from Style Matters, to make sure I didn't have anything in it that was causing the breakage Mar 01 17:57:31 (invisble characters, who knows) Mar 01 17:59:28 inspector shows a body tag but nothing after that (no closing)... Mar 01 18:00:39 oh, never mind - that happens with other apps too Mar 01 18:02:38 lemketron are we likely to se a public 1.4 sdk today? Mar 01 18:02:47 ideally, yes Mar 01 18:02:59 s/ideally,/signs point to/ Mar 01 18:03:37 xalbo -- this is a great test case for our tools -- we should be able to help you figure this out... still looking. Mar 01 18:04:15 Thank you. Yes, I had tried to use the (1.3) inspector against my (1.4) phone, but (not surprisingly) couldn't get that to work. Mar 01 18:04:25 yeah, inspector doesn't work with a phone target Mar 01 18:04:53 Ok, the docs seemed to indicate that it was supposed to. Mar 01 18:05:13 can you point me to where you saw that? I'll get it fixed. :-/ Mar 01 18:05:34 "The Palm Inspector allows examination of the DOM of an application running on the emulator or a device." Mar 01 18:05:41 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1611&Itemid=61 Mar 01 18:05:41 URL? Mar 01 18:06:06 Heya Steve. Mar 01 18:06:11 I'm curious why it's not showing anything in your scene. But sources.json doesn't show a scene... Mar 01 18:06:35 I know there are various ways of putting apps together so I'm trying to understand your app and why the inspector isn't showing the widgets as you see on that URL you posted above. Mar 01 18:06:49 did you create a scene? Mar 01 18:07:53 It's a noWindow app; when run with no parameters, app-assistant creates the main stage and pushes the main scene Mar 01 18:07:56 (I think) Mar 01 18:08:15 when it's run from a timeout, it gets parameters that cause it to display the dashboard instead Mar 01 18:10:43 The screenshot was taken with the dashboard at the bottom; likely you'll just be seeing the top part (sorry, I should have explained that much better) Mar 01 18:17:57 Hi.. I'm working on porting a js app on pre,, can i have dhtml in js files.. i know html is supposed to be in different file,, but wanted to know regarding html.. Mar 01 18:26:57 OK, I see the garbage character. Now I'll explain how to find it since unfortunately it's not documented. Mar 01 18:27:03 xalbo... still there? Mar 01 18:27:21 Yes. Mar 01 18:27:36 but you can't reproduce this in the 1.3 emulator, right? Mar 01 18:27:54 Right. On 1.3 (emulator and phone) it worked fine. Mar 01 18:28:01 1.4 changed webkit versions. Mar 01 18:28:10 so it's possible it is not ignoring something that was previously ignored Mar 01 18:28:35 as soon as the 1.4 SDK goes up (later today) you should download it. Then you can get the inspector to inspect your app by doing the following: Mar 01 18:28:35 That makes sense. Mar 01 18:29:12 first you'll need to list the running apps, by typing (in a novaterm shell to the emulator): luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} 2>&1 | sed -e 's/},/}\n/g' Mar 01 18:29:47 you'll see two instances of your app -- one is the headless app and the other (probably the second one) is the one we want to inspect. Mar 01 18:29:51 hey lemketron Mar 01 18:30:27 so in my case I see two org.pubcrawler.adam.waterlog, pids 1023 and 1024. so next I tell the appmgr that I want to inspect 1024 by typing: luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.applicationManager/inspect '{"processId":"1024"}' Mar 01 18:30:31 lemketron: i can't see any Mojo.Log.error entries since the 1.4 update on the device .. just getting error: null Mar 01 18:30:34 Then I run the Palm Inspector. Mar 01 18:30:45 swisstomcat -- that's fixed in palm-log that comes with the 1.4 sdk. Mar 01 18:30:58 (the device logging format changed and broke the palm-log too) Mar 01 18:31:20 (but you can also just tail -f /var/log/messages | grep myapp if you want to see the output in the mean time) Mar 01 18:32:11 rohit1 you still here? Mar 01 18:32:24 ok, great to hear that Mar 01 18:32:38 Ok... Mar 01 18:32:40 xalbo: then in the palm inspector, you'll see, just between the "mojo-scene-main" div and the "palm-page header" div, a small chunk of text that looks like a roman numeral II character inside double quotes. That is probably your white empty box. Mar 01 18:33:09 Are you writing something into the dom that could explain that? Mar 01 18:33:28 I don't think so. Mar 01 18:34:06 is there an image equivalent to pasteboard that I can paste a screen shot of my inspector window? Mar 01 18:34:19 hi Mar 01 18:34:32 goatse.cx? :) Mar 01 18:34:38 * xalbo hopes someone else can answer that; I don't know of one. Mar 01 18:35:08 twitpic.com? Mar 01 18:35:18 imageshack? Mar 01 18:35:40 imageshack.us Mar 01 18:35:46 ok, trying imageshack. hang on. Mar 01 18:36:49 imageshack ? imagehost? Mar 01 18:37:28 here you go: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9683/picture7ox.png Mar 01 18:37:33 any comments to the "turn on pre from sleep and it restarts after a few seconds"? Mar 01 18:37:35 I don't think I'm writing anything directly to the DOM. I'm updating different s inside my views, but that doesn't seem related. Mar 01 18:37:39 the garbage char is just under the highlighted div Mar 01 18:38:57 So it's between the "mojo-scene-main" div and the beginning of what's in the main-scene.html file Mar 01 18:39:51 I'm guessing that's where the box is coming from... Mar 01 18:40:38 That seems reasonable. So any ideas where *that* is coming from? Mar 01 18:40:50 @rick_work yes sir Mar 01 18:40:55 nope. :-( Mar 01 18:41:06 rohit1 what's your problem? Mar 01 18:42:15 rick_work I have a lot of js files that contain dhtml as well. For fitting in scene and assistant type of framework i need to seperate out js and html.. so do i need to seperate out dhtml as well? Mar 01 18:43:28 personally i dont think so,, but onw of my seniors wanted to confirm Mar 01 18:43:39 I'm not sure what you mean by dhtml. Mar 01 18:43:56 dynamic HTML Mar 01 18:43:56 If they're JS files, they're JS files, do they inter-mingle js and html? or are they JS Mar 01 18:44:47 rohit1 the term "dynamic html" is poorly defined, let's be very clear about what you're trying to say. Do these misc files contain html, or do they contain JS that generates HTML or do they contain a mixture of both? Mar 01 18:45:09 js files that generate html Mar 01 18:45:43 lemketron: Interestingly, when I follow those steps using the 1.3 emulator/inspector, the garbage character doesn't appear to be present. Mar 01 18:46:14 strange. Mar 01 18:46:15 From that point of view, it looks less like it's always been there but hidden, and more like it's now being added. Mar 01 18:46:32 Something in the framework might be inserting it in response to something in your app...? Mar 01 18:46:43 maybe try removing or commenting out chunks of that scene and see if/when it goes away? Mar 01 18:46:56 though that would presumably be much easier/faster when you get the 1.4 sdk Mar 01 18:46:57 rohit1 you may include as many js files that generate html as you might like in the app, there's no limit to that. What you do is include them in the sources.js file. They get loaded. No big deal. Mar 01 18:47:15 ok thanks :) Mar 01 18:47:39 rohit1 see the wiki at webos-internals.org in the page about porting JS apps to the phone Mar 01 18:48:41 lemketron: I've already tried commenting out pretty much the entire scene. It always showed up before everything else. Then I remembered that it was happening to my dashboard too, so it seemed less likely to be part of either scene file. Mar 01 18:49:04 I'm in the sprint store now and you know what phone everyone seem to bye? blackberry Mar 01 18:49:17 because it's safe. Mar 01 18:49:35 and cheap Mar 01 18:49:43 the os is so horrible imo Mar 01 18:49:49 slow to get anything done Mar 01 18:50:00 doesn't matter. Most people aren't running apps on their phone Mar 01 18:50:23 safe as in? Mar 01 18:51:18 slow to get everything done like text or email and web browser is bad Mar 01 18:53:09 lemketron: have you heard of the "turn on pre from sleep and it restarts after a few seconds" issue? Mar 01 18:54:06 lemketron: I've now commented out the entire main-scene.html, with the same problem. Mar 01 18:59:43 when building an sql dB is it necessary to uninstall and reinstall the app to get new functionality working? Mar 01 18:59:44 swisstomcat: I saw mention of it on irc over the weekend, I think, but nothing more. Mar 01 19:00:21 xalbo: strange. can you try pasting your main scene into a new (palm-generate) regular app? Mar 01 19:00:45 I'll try; give me a minute Mar 01 19:01:00 lemketron: it's not reproduceable so far, i'll wait if it happens again Mar 01 19:01:02 xalbo: It doesn't happen with a stock palm-generate app so something between that and your app is causing it to happen even if you're not directly putting that character there... Mar 01 19:01:03 (I'm not as quick with the tools as you are) Mar 01 19:01:10 jenp: did you change Db fields? Mar 01 19:01:24 xalbo: no problem, and thanks for the interesting monday morning puzzle. Mar 01 19:01:28 no...just trying to get data to show up in new scene Mar 01 19:01:59 that should b ok Mar 01 19:02:20 lemketron: apart from those things 1.4 is working great for me Mar 01 19:02:49 OK, anyone speak spanish? :) Mar 01 19:02:56 non comprende Mar 01 19:05:20 un poco, muchos años ago Mar 01 19:07:40 rick there? Mar 01 19:10:38 when you switch to a new scenes .JS file...do you need to declare your SQL dB? Mar 01 19:13:03 describe what you're trying to do, jenp Mar 01 19:13:08 did you save a ref to the db as a global var? Mar 01 19:13:38 haeffb_pre no not global Mar 01 19:13:46 hey adora Mar 01 19:13:58 heya! Mar 01 19:13:59 lot's of palm people here today ... cool :) Mar 01 19:14:10 Well I'll be...a new program with that file has the same behaviour Mar 01 19:14:17 swisstomcat I'm trying to output the contents of one of my tables onto a new card. Mar 01 19:14:19 now that 1.4 is out of the door everyone get's a few days off? Mar 01 19:14:24 hi Adora Mar 01 19:14:33 hi JenP Mar 01 19:14:37 s/get's/gets Mar 01 19:14:38 swisstomcat: I wish =] Mar 01 19:14:43 hi all Mar 01 19:14:49 hey jaycanuck Mar 01 19:15:18 jenp: are your database calls inside a global class? Mar 01 19:15:49 yes Mar 01 19:16:13 then they should be callable by any scene Mar 01 19:17:21 e.g doa.retrieveHistory(this.processResults.bind(this)); Mar 01 19:17:29 an example from my app Mar 01 19:17:57 lemketron: I think I'm going insane. I copy the original file into a new palm-generate'd app, and have the same results. I cut out the entire contents of the file, and have teh same results. Mar 01 19:18:10 hmmm...k Mar 01 19:18:47 do you have any code examples, jenp? Mar 01 19:21:17 Do you know if there is a way to restart luna from the private bus? Mar 01 19:22:58 xalbo: which file? Mar 01 19:23:35 I want to restart luna from phoneprefs Mar 01 19:24:44 MOTHER OF FRUSTRATION AND DEREFERENCE OF PROFANITY, it's the unicode U+FEFF thing! Mar 01 19:26:17 Looks like something I edited it in was inserting byte order markers in any HTML I touched, and the new webkit isn't ignoring them. Mar 01 19:28:12 At least, that's what it's looking like now. And it makes sense. Now I just need to figure out how to change that, and see whether it makes any difference. Mar 01 19:32:52 try changing the encoding to utf8 in eclipse. (right click choose properties) and see if it will just strip it or show it. Mar 01 19:35:42 In Komodo, right clicking on the file and chosing properties, then under the encoding (still UTF-8), unchecking "Use signature (BOM)", and saving, causes it to *finally* work. Mar 01 19:35:51 Thank you all so much. Mar 01 19:36:51 whew Mar 01 19:37:00 So after all this time, it *was* something in the file, that was being ignored before. Mar 01 19:38:49 I suggest someone document this somewhere; I may be the first to encounter it, but I'd bet a significant sum that I won't be the last. Mar 01 19:39:38 xalbo: : put it on webos101 Mar 01 19:42:20 Good idea. Now I just need to find a good place there. Mar 01 19:58:38 xalbo: congrats. interesting issue, and I may file a bug for this against webOS 1.4. Mar 01 19:58:58 Your html file starts with 0xef 0xff 0xbf so I guess that was the issue... Mar 01 19:59:02 wow .. just got back from lunch and went back and read xalbo's solution ... That's nuts! Mar 01 19:59:07 Glad you got that fixed man Mar 01 20:00:31 I do really appreciate all of your help with that. I guess the real culprit was the fact that at one point I'd edited the files in Sharepoint Designer (default html editor on this box), and it did the invisible harm. Mar 01 20:01:07 It was utterly surreal, though, deleting everything from the file and *still* seeing the problem, when a fresh file worked fine. Mar 01 20:03:41 lemketron: The SDK details the System Service with get/setPreferences methods http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1538&Itemid=20 ... but nowhere does it tell you what keys are valid to use with those methods .. Anywhere we can get a definative list of keys? Mar 01 20:04:33 too late :( Mar 01 20:04:36 doh! Mar 01 20:06:38 argh. I hate when I command-w the wrong window. Mar 01 20:07:01 I thought you were just dodging my question :) Mar 01 20:07:16 can you re-post? Mar 01 20:07:24 oh, prefs Mar 01 20:07:30 lemketron: The SDK details the System Service with get/setPreferences methods http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1538&Itemid=20 ... but nowhere does it tell you what keys are valid to use with those methods .. Anywhere we can get a definative list of keys? Mar 01 20:12:57 best I can offer right now is this: find /usr/palm/applications -name "*.js" | xargs grep getPreference Mar 01 20:13:05 but I'll see if we can do better. :-) Mar 01 20:14:01 : Mar 01 20:14:04 Thanks :) Mar 01 20:16:48 hi all Mar 01 20:18:01 lemketron: you are from Palm, right? Mar 01 20:18:11 I have issues with canvas in 1.4 Mar 01 20:18:40 yes, but I'm heading out to lunch... will be back later. Mar 01 20:19:10 ok, here is the link: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5481 Mar 01 20:20:31 hi jenp Mar 01 20:20:39 ok, thanks. already forwarded to someone to investigate. Mar 01 20:20:40 hey Bmyers Mar 01 20:22:11 I noticed that settings for email notifications are saved/retreieved using palm://com.palm.mail ... Any chance that service will be made available in the SDK? Mar 01 20:35:47 lemketron: any word on forward gesture bug fix? Mar 01 20:36:58 hey codeslaw Mar 01 20:37:04 hey swiss Mar 01 20:37:09 (09:18:39 PM) lemketron: yes, but I'm heading out to lunch... will be back later. Mar 01 20:37:43 just read it Mar 01 20:37:44 =P Mar 01 20:38:24 metaview: bei mir gab es bei 1.4 positionsverschiebungen mit canvas (in der x-richtung ca. 10 pixel) Mar 01 20:38:28 opps Mar 01 20:38:38 that was supposed to be english Mar 01 20:40:13 swisstomcat: I understand you english :D The y-anchor for text output is changed Mar 01 20:40:48 it was somewhere bottom and is now top. It helps to specify it before using. Mar 01 20:40:55 is this a bug or feature? also, the position of an image is off too Mar 01 20:41:06 Image loks right for me Mar 01 20:41:31 I guess they changed it in webkit and if you don't specify it, you are a loser (so am I) Mar 01 20:41:44 bah, i'm a loser Mar 01 20:41:48 looser? Mar 01 20:42:01 yeah, saw your post Mar 01 20:42:38 :) Mar 01 20:50:59 swisstomcat: splashscreen doesn't work... Mar 01 20:51:14 which splashscreen? Mar 01 20:52:56 Well, I tried to add a splashscreen to my app Mar 01 20:53:04 as the caclulator for example has Mar 01 20:55:31 ok, luna restart is required, looks terrific Mar 01 20:57:02 http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=348 Mar 01 21:14:42 thx MetaView :) Mar 01 21:20:20 morning Mar 01 21:20:39 g'day Mar 01 21:21:23 in a patch file: the line number is the first line of the excerpt I see? Mar 01 21:21:25 cool matview Mar 01 21:22:39 metaview Mar 01 21:24:04 yes? Mar 01 21:24:12 ah, ok, yes it's cool Mar 01 21:26:13 something to test for my app Mar 01 21:29:50 metaview, webosinternals and wosqi use unified diff format patch Mar 01 21:29:53 *patches Mar 01 21:30:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff#Unified_format Mar 01 21:30:35 do you know what the numbers mean? line original file line patched file but what's behind the , ? Mar 01 21:30:38 ok, thx Mar 01 21:30:52 patch could be more specific what's wrong Mar 01 21:31:12 here's an example: @@ +16,6 -18,7 @@ Mar 01 21:31:44 that's a hunk header Mar 01 21:31:57 good night everyone Mar 01 21:32:00 16 would be the line # the hunk starts at (prior to patching) Mar 01 21:32:06 g'night swiss Mar 01 21:32:13 g'nite swiss Mar 01 21:32:25 ok, and the 6 is thelength in the original file which I see in the diff Mar 01 21:32:32 6 would be the size (# of lines) of the hunk before patching Mar 01 21:32:43 bye canuck :) Mar 01 21:32:57 (hope that's not a bad word) Mar 01 21:33:02 nah Mar 01 21:33:07 word of pride Mar 01 21:33:21 18 is the start of the hunk after patching. This would imply an earlier hunk in the patch added 2 lines Mar 01 21:33:45 ok, I see what's wrong, thx :) Mar 01 21:34:01 7 is the hunk size after patching, which would imply 1 line was added in this patch hunk change Mar 01 21:34:10 np :) Mar 01 21:36:27 i made an awesome purchase today ;D Mar 01 21:36:34 macbook air (used) $300 Mar 01 21:45:25 dawm: wow! Mar 01 21:48:50 yeah a coworker brought her nephews macbook air in for me to restore so he can sell it cause he is in need of money, but when she said he only wanted 300 i couldnt pass it up Mar 01 21:51:55 what's the link to submit updated patch files (1.4 update) ? Mar 01 21:53:42 anyone else using forward gestures in their apps? Mar 01 21:54:09 I'm supposed to use it in duke but haven#t checked it Mar 01 21:56:49 forward doesnt work in 1.4 Mar 01 21:56:58 except for app switching if enabled Mar 01 22:05:37 http://patches.webos-internals.org/ Mar 01 22:13:03 JayCanuck: thx Mar 01 22:15:41 palm webos 1.35 installation on virtualbox 3.1.4 running on windows xp host ... anyone have any time? Mar 01 22:16:20 is ti the latest vbox? Mar 01 22:16:30 yes Mar 01 22:16:40 it will not work, go back to 3.0.x Mar 01 22:17:07 sigh... Mar 01 22:18:47 another question then perhaps...after I "reinstall" 3.0.x virtualbox, is there a .ISO file for Palm WebOS that must be installed into the VirtualDeviceManager like Google's Android OS requires? Mar 01 22:18:47 * dthought is using Virtualbox 3.0.12 r54655 (ubuntu 9.10) and palm webos 1.35 emu/sdk... i'm getting spurious segfaults of the virtualbox Mar 01 22:18:54 Yea, I 've only gotten it to work on 3.0.10 Mar 01 22:19:02 is this any known problem? Mar 01 22:20:33 Step 1. Install Java JDK 1.6. Step 2. Install VirtualBox 3.0.10. Step 3. ? Run Palm Mojo SDK or Mount ISO? Mar 01 22:21:13 Install the SDK is all you need to do after java and vbox Mar 01 22:22:45 there is a kind of iso for the emulator, look in vbox Mar 01 22:22:47 Boomer, thank you, what about the step required by Android where I had to add a new CD Boot Image .ISO file about 100mb file called LiveAndroidImage to the VirtualDeviceManager? Mar 01 22:23:16 Nope, that's all done for you by the SDK. You don't have to do a thing, you don't have to create a session or anything. Mar 01 22:23:46 I feel nakid, I left my phone at home :( Mar 01 22:24:29 Also, I kept getting an 'Association Failed' when trying to connect to my wireless router after updating to 1.4. I turned on 5GHz, and then my Pre connected again. Strangeness. Mar 01 22:24:43 Boomer thank you. So once I run Mojo 1.3.5 SDK, double clicking the .exe file, clicking next...to...finish...then do I need to execute any of the .BAT files PALM-GENERATE, PALM-INSTALL, PALM-EMULATOR? Mar 01 22:25:09 smart3dweb: palm-emulator i'd guess Mar 01 22:25:29 dthought, thank you... Mar 01 22:27:19 at least thats the script i used here (albeit in linux) to setup a Virtualbox machine Mar 01 22:27:34 smart3dweb, you don't need to do any of that. All that will be done by Eclipse or Komodo. Mar 01 22:28:11 To start the emulator, you just need to click palm emulator and then choose x320 choice. Mar 01 22:29:34 Boomer, thank you again. Is Eclipse really necessary? Can I compile using JavaC at the command prompt? Mar 01 22:31:13 All of the relevant libraries are included in the Palm WebOS install...libPng, zlib, etc. for a multi-platform installation and the Java JDK 1.6 exists already making the IDE seem optional to me...just asking Mar 01 22:32:20 [i can use the emulator and install applications without eclipse, haven't started developing yet, though..] Mar 01 22:32:26 eclipse is not necessary. palm-build, palm-install, palm-log, palm-inspect, work great. Mar 01 22:32:44 from the command line. Mar 01 22:32:48 dthought and lyht...thank you very much Mar 01 22:33:29 back to my problem: anybody else encounters something like "[37336.081642] VirtualBox[4755]: segfault at 43 ip 041fdcd8 sp b55d4190 error 4 in VBoxDD.so[4148000+1ca000] Mar 01 22:33:32 this? Mar 01 22:34:17 Windows XP host installation of Palm Web OS. Step 1. Install Java JDK 1.6. Step 2. Install VirtualBox 3.0.10. Step 3. Install Palm Mojo SDK 1.3.5.exe Step 4. Run Palm-Emulator.bat Mar 01 22:34:32 Agree? Mar 01 22:35:13 dthought, I got those errors when I wasn't using 3.0.10 of vbox Mar 01 22:35:52 BoomerET: yeah, its 3.0.12 ... *searching for a .deb* Mar 01 22:36:05 smart3dweb: works. Mar 01 22:36:28 lyht, thank you Mar 01 22:38:07 One more question, if I may, gratefully, ask another of ya'll ... how about Palm Mojo SDK 1.4 being released? Palm Mojo SDK 1.3.5 is the latest I see available, is that correct? Mar 01 22:38:34 the word is today, if all the stars align Mar 01 22:38:44 expect it soon no matter what. Mar 01 22:38:47 I had heard early this week. Mar 01 22:39:00 But who's to define 'early' :) Mar 01 22:39:33 chuq. Although he would say "Earlier than later" or something equally nebulous Mar 01 22:39:45 You'll have to forgive me... I have a sickness. I like to sound like I know what I'm talking about, when in reality, I don't know a damn thing. Mar 01 22:39:51 Please ignore anything I say. Mar 01 22:40:15 same here. Except, ignore everything I dont say. Mar 01 22:40:57 Boomer and lyht and dthought ... no one knows everything ... but you all helped me so grateful and I to you ... i'm not in a joking mood these days and really appreciate your help. Seriously. Thanks. Mar 01 22:41:26 n.p. Good luck with all, and know that the people here are always helpfull. Mar 01 22:41:54 :-) thanks again Mar 01 22:42:15 I may be the only person on the planet that likes Eclipse. Mar 01 22:42:26 you are Mar 01 22:42:48 I like it. Works for me better than komodo, cause 1.4 broke a bunch of stuff there. Mar 01 22:42:54 I've tried Komodo, and it just doesn't appeal to me. Mar 01 22:43:03 But I like how komodo organizes it' Mar 01 22:43:05 hm Mar 01 22:43:06 s projects. Mar 01 22:43:24 Tells me there's syntax error in my appinfo.json, which was stock Mar 01 22:43:35 and I have figured out how to organize the same in eclipse so I can open in either. Mar 01 22:43:57 BoomerET: yah, templarian said "Just ignore that for now" Mar 01 22:44:52 small footprint is the only nice thing I have to say about it. Mar 01 22:46:22 Okay, I another thought just popped in the ole' noggin' ... can two different VirtualBox versions co-exist? VirtualBox 3.1.4 is installed on my WinXP host system and is running Google Android 2.1 fine. If I reinstall VirtualBox 3.0.10, will there be conflicts? Mar 01 22:46:48 I dont know. Seems like it didn't work for me. Mar 01 22:47:35 lyht, does that mean that I should expect 3.0.10 to be the only VirtualBox running on the host? Mar 01 22:48:13 BoomerET: i love eclipse :-) Mar 01 22:48:17 I think so. But it will be able to handle android and whatever else, right? Mar 01 22:49:40 Install another XP virtual machine in your virtual machine? Mar 01 22:50:23 BoomerET: The big thing that bugs me with eclipse is the automatic code formatting. I often dont agree, and I haven't figured out how to turn if off. Mar 01 22:51:25 Boomer, I'm going to try 3.0.10 with Android 2.1 and Palm WebOS 1.3.5 first, but thank you for pointing the XP installation on VM/VirtualBox option out to me. Mar 01 22:51:27 lyht: you can disable and finetune it. Mar 01 22:51:54 Bah, just buy another computer from Woot when it comes around. Mar 01 22:52:02 that's the problem with eclipse: you need so much time to adjust all the settings to have it running nicely Mar 01 22:52:04 You'll make up the money by selling your first app :) Mar 01 22:52:08 too much options Mar 01 22:52:35 lyht: playing sc2 so ignore for a bit. Mar 01 22:53:01 gimme zork. Mar 01 22:53:34 * BoomerET does more Parchment research Mar 01 22:53:41 Templarian: no worries. Still planning on working over the komodo plugin? Mar 01 22:53:58 dthought: where do I find that? Mar 01 22:54:11 cool, thanks again, logging out to reinstall Mar 01 22:54:16 :-) Mar 01 22:54:28 a pity: splashscreen doesn#t work with PDK apps Mar 01 22:54:30 lyht: i guessed that question would come up... i don't have a eclipse handy right now... Mar 01 22:54:46 L) Mar 01 22:54:51 :) Mar 01 22:54:54 preferences => "code formatting" ? Mar 01 22:55:06 (in the quick search/filter in the upper left corner) Mar 01 22:56:10 code formatting, encoding everything Mar 01 22:56:42 how often i imported a c project (from a bunch of files) and wasn#t able to run it Mar 01 22:57:08 I got nuthin. Typed in code formatting and nothing came up. Guess I will dig around a little more. Mar 01 22:58:13 good night Mar 01 23:01:40 broke 1200 unique downloads today Mar 01 23:02:05 averages out to 400 a month Mar 01 23:02:07 congrats dawm Mar 01 23:02:56 there it is. Formatting controls under aptana, editors Mar 01 23:10:49 Hey there... 1.4 SDK is now posted. Get it while it's hot!! Mar 01 23:11:05 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1788&Itemid=21# Mar 01 23:12:47 Smart3DWeb -- follow the download/install instructions and then run palm-emulator to create the webOS virtual machine. Do not try to create it yourself in VirtualBox. Mar 01 23:23:32 lemketron: Good work!  Saw the blog post about 10 minutes ago Mar 01 23:23:56 yeah, you just beat me on twitter too. ;-) Mar 01 23:24:24 fast fingers! Mar 01 23:24:57 When I get bounced I get a new nick... then I can't change it because the channel is locked. ::grumble:: Mar 01 23:29:19 no rest for the weary... time to get started on the _next_ sdk while you guys all install/digest 1.4. :-) Mar 01 23:30:37 lemketron: forward gestures broken across all apps - is that an official bug? Mar 01 23:30:38 lemketron: OK, installation done, ready for the next one. Mar 01 23:30:59 codeslaw: device? emulator? example? Mar 01 23:31:04 both Mar 01 23:31:12 google maps, paintr lite Mar 01 23:31:18 dont know of any other apps that use them Mar 01 23:31:22 google maps has a forward gesture? Mar 01 23:31:29 it did Mar 01 23:32:04 codeslaw, yes Mar 01 23:32:07 forward doesnt work in 1.4 Mar 01 23:32:11 except for app switching if enabled Mar 01 23:32:26 yes Mar 01 23:38:39 huh. fwd gesture is definitely broken in the browser, but it's already been found and fixed internally (just not in time for 1.4, it seems). Will try to find out if the 3rd party breakage is the same issue or separate one. Mar 01 23:41:02 twee uses forward swipe, too, I heard. Mar 01 23:47:40 lemketron: i'll do some testing with receiving all command events, and see if the forward-event is just being called differently Mar 01 23:48:03 codeslaw: thanks, that would be great Mar 01 23:49:33 k bbl Mar 02 00:09:54 lemketron: The release notes say build 419 of the SDK Mar 02 00:10:00 The download says build 420. Mar 02 00:14:43 They're basically the same. Mar 02 00:16:16 Pre question: Anyone else ever have the issue of the power button (top corner) getting stuck down? Mine just started doing it a couple hours ago, and while I can wake the phone (by sliding up), I can't put it to sleep by pushing the button. Annoying. Mar 02 00:16:17 it's never been stuck but i've noticed it being down further than normal where when i click the button it barely moves and i can feel the click. after a day or so it goes back to normal and i get the full range of motion Mar 02 00:16:17 not sure if that made sense... Mar 02 00:17:21 maik: It does. Hoping it'll g back to normal. Trying to pry it up, but when I do, it just goes back down. It's almost like the sensor below the button is stuck down. If that's the case, would have to get a replacement I guess. Boo. Mar 02 00:17:49 lame. still under warranty though so they should be able to do an advanced exchange Mar 02 00:18:06 (not sure of you're provider, i'm with Sprint) Mar 02 00:18:10 eesh Mar 02 00:18:11 your* Mar 02 00:18:16 * maik shudders Mar 02 00:25:06 Yeah, I'm with Sprint. How do you do an advanced exchange? Mar 02 00:25:43 usually you can call them up and tell the initial rep you talk to that you want to do an advanced exchange. if they don't know what you're talking about i think you can ask for tech support and they'll get you to the right place Mar 02 00:26:11 dgathright: dave's device is doing that, so yours isn't an isolated incident Mar 02 00:26:18 ps: hi! Mar 02 00:28:14 maik: thanks, I'll give that a shot. Mar 02 00:31:21 Adora: Figured someone else had experienced the issue (kinda like the loose batteries in early Pre models). It's a 1st gen device, so you take the good with the bad. :) Mar 02 00:41:48 ping Adora: Mar 02 00:42:16 my app in the catalog has 40 downloads and no reviews Mar 02 00:42:27 seems a little strange, it's been out for a month Mar 02 00:42:43 what app? Mar 02 00:42:51 time=$ Mar 02 00:43:02 nary a single review Mar 02 00:43:29 let me charge up my production phone and see if anything funky is going on Mar 02 00:43:55 thanks. i would appreciate the help.. Mar 02 00:44:06 no stars makes buyers beware i think.. Mar 02 00:44:26 i also dont get to have feedback from my users Mar 02 00:44:42 Bmyers: what app? Mar 02 00:44:52 time=$ Mar 02 00:44:56 ah Mar 02 00:45:42 Does the Komodo tools work with 1.4? (I know appinfo stuff doesn't but it can at least read out the info needed to make the ipk and launch?) Mar 02 00:46:24 (my internet here is really bad since my bro is downloading Supreme Commander 2 game) Mar 02 00:47:41 are the komodo tools having trouble with the 1.4 sdk? Mar 02 00:48:10 I have no idea I have access to the beta's and everything, but have been so busy in RL I never checked. Mar 02 00:48:27 Just now downloading 1.4 since i'm on spring break. Mar 02 00:48:37 yeah Templarian, we were all gonna ask u that.. Mar 02 00:48:47 hrm well i will give it a shot, it shouldnt cange much i wouldnt think Mar 02 00:50:11 oh lol Templarian made the komodo addon, i get it, btw great addon thanks i love komodo and hate eclipse Mar 02 00:50:42 lol, yea. Mar 02 00:52:09 Also moved up the version in this new install so that those that want to use 6.x alphas can (but I'll still be testing in 5.x Mar 02 00:52:43 any luck with the debugging stuff? i am looking forward to that quite a bit Mar 02 00:55:22 ya, dp's kind of a debugging fool Mar 02 00:55:56 i love my debuging, and i can do it via command line but well i wouldnt use addons if i wernt lazy Mar 02 00:56:14 oye maik mind brining that pre with you to dinner? Mar 02 00:57:11 will do Mar 02 00:57:34 Debugging is a lot of work and I probably will never have time for that someone else will step up with a nice debug tool sooner or later. Mar 02 00:58:19 yeah i figured that would be the answer, how are you talking to the emulator anyways, just using ssh? Mar 02 00:59:45 holy crap, i just got a look at a Dell Windows 7 x64 Reinstallation dvd Mar 02 00:59:47 hunter orange Mar 02 01:03:01 well the install to device works, anything in particular you wanted to test with the addon? Mar 02 01:03:07 maik: orange is in this year Mar 02 01:03:17 clearly... Mar 02 01:03:18 home time Mar 02 01:03:43 orange/brown is awesome Mar 02 01:03:50 Bmyers: ok, just left a review Mar 02 01:03:59 it worked? Mar 02 01:04:13 (i hope it was a good one :) Mar 02 01:04:36 it hasnt' changed the star level yet, but I think that takes some time Mar 02 01:04:53 yeah a review take a long time to show up in my experience Mar 02 01:05:02 digitalpowers: how long? Mar 02 01:05:18 hmm. Well I appreciate you looking into the matter for me Adora: Mar 02 01:05:56 i dont know the actual length of time, but i wouldnt expect it to show up before like 24 hours, maybe 12 if your lucky Mar 02 01:05:58 Bmyers: if you give me $6.99 I'll leave a review... Mar 02 01:06:06 for $7.99 I'll leave a good one. Mar 02 01:06:25 new low price, same great taste coming out soon with next rev. Mar 02 01:06:37 * haeffb wonders if Adora gets apps for free... ? Mar 02 01:06:46 it's currenty "being reviewed" Mar 02 01:06:53 Bmyers: so let me know tomorrow if my review shows up Mar 02 01:07:15 Adora: will do. Thanks again! Mar 02 01:07:15 haeffb: on most of my phones, I do Mar 02 01:07:17 Hi everyone, could someone help me here?... it's a Javascript quick question ;) Mar 02 01:07:56 * haeffb wonders how I could get a gig where I get free stuff. Mar 02 01:08:24 I'm trying to do an AND operation (&) between 2 32 bit variables, but all I get is a negative number :S should I split my numbers to 16 bit ones? or is there something I'm missing? Mar 02 01:08:25 haeffb: i got an email about a free notebook the other day Mar 02 01:08:32 i could forward it on to you if you like Mar 02 01:08:52 i dont need a free notebook Mar 02 01:09:05 i have a distant uncle in nigeria that died recently Mar 02 01:09:09 haeffb: testing apps is my job, like getting free Internet and email at work Mar 02 01:09:12 I kinda need it =] Mar 02 01:09:12 he left me a bunch of cash.. Mar 02 01:09:59 * haeffb wonders how I can get a job that is playing with ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H testing apps... :) Mar 02 01:10:43 you do so much more fun us Adora: than just test apps Mar 02 01:11:49 NuttyBunny: just ask your question, if someone can answer they will Mar 02 01:12:27 (oops) Mar 02 01:12:36 does this make sense: Mar 02 01:12:39 Connect the USB cable to your computer and select "Just Charge" when the phone prompts you Mar 02 01:13:21 already asked, and no one answered ;) hehehe Mar 02 01:13:22 wait sorry wrong one Mar 02 01:13:24 Before beginning ensure your phone is connected to your PC and in the "Just Charge" state. Mar 02 01:13:31 does that make sense Mar 02 01:13:43 dang it does look like 1.4 changed the download manager, it no longer creates the destination folder if it doesnt exist, anyone know if it is possible to create a folder on the storage card? Mar 02 01:15:00 JenP: i think so Mar 02 01:15:09 thanks Mar 02 01:17:16 NuttyBunny: you mean && or &? Mar 02 01:20:02 Bmyers: & Mar 02 01:20:34 from devguru.com: & - This is the bitwise AND operator which returns a 1 for each bit position where the corresponding bits of both its operands are Mar 02 01:20:44 true Mar 02 01:20:48 yes Mar 02 01:21:53 Funny, on a 64 bit calculator it works fine, but under webOS it returns a negative value. It seems like its overflowing somewhere Mar 02 01:22:47 maybe it thinks your vars are a string ? Mar 02 01:23:06 WAG Mar 02 01:23:20 (wild a55 guess) Mar 02 01:30:05 Bmyers: Mar 02 01:30:19 yesterday I was having trouble with my database stuff... Mar 02 01:30:36 yeah what was that about? Mar 02 01:30:40 var sqlUpdateMileageEventsWithCategory = "UPDATE 'mileageEvents' " + Mar 02 01:30:40 "SET category=1 WHERE category=?; GO;"; Mar 02 01:31:12 I'd give it the category that I was deleting, but it wouldn't find events with that category. Mar 02 01:31:44 if I did it directly in SQLite, it worked. Mar 02 01:31:57 but I had category TEXT Mar 02 01:32:05 changing it to INTEGER and it starts working. Mar 02 01:32:55 it's some weird data typing issue between SQLite and JS Mar 02 01:33:39 i was under the impress that sqlite does very little data type checking Mar 02 01:34:07 mmm... maybe, maybe... I'll try multiplying the values by 1 and see what happens :) Mar 02 01:34:31 me too. Mar 02 01:34:31 NuttyBunny: it'll return your answer as a decimal number ? Mar 02 01:34:57 haeffb: good to know about that much at least Mar 02 01:35:11 & I don't know why manipulating the DB directly worked, but it didn't work from JS Mar 02 01:35:39 weird... Mar 02 01:36:00 u use eclipse haeffb: ? Mar 02 01:36:41 yes Mar 02 01:37:19 there's a handy sqlite plugin for komodoedit Mar 02 01:38:07 haeffb: if you had quoted the "1" it may have worked Mar 02 01:38:13 but not what you really wanted Mar 02 01:38:15 I tried that. Mar 02 01:38:19 didn't worked Mar 02 01:38:25 no va? Mar 02 01:38:34 maybe if I had tried myVar+""; Mar 02 01:38:48 I dunno. Mar 02 01:38:55 weird... Mar 02 01:39:02 Yeah, I use myVar+"" to display integers as strings :) Mar 02 01:44:18 I still get a negative number... driving me crazy! :@ Mar 02 01:45:26 I'll split my numbers into 16 bits, guess I'll have to shift bits... *sigh* Mar 02 01:47:58 man, what's up with the nickserv registration Mar 02 01:48:12 is that what was preventing me from saying anything? Mar 02 01:48:18 works fine with me.. Mar 02 01:48:33 not as in “it doesn't work” Mar 02 01:48:46 as in, what is with not being able to send to the channel unless you're registered? Mar 02 01:49:21 i've never noticed because usually my client sends my stuff automatically, but i'm connecting from work at the moment Mar 02 01:49:43 orinsu: it's a channel setting that was put in place when we had a self-perpetuating javascript spam attack hitting freenode. it's no longer needed but there aren't a lot of ops that hang out here, it seems. Mar 02 01:49:44 it was very confusing, i just kept getting “404: #webos Cannot send to channel” from the server Mar 02 01:50:09 hmm, well, it's a shame it's not implemented in a way that could actually let people figure out why they can't speak Mar 02 01:50:25 perhaps there should be an auto privmsg or a more explicit topic explaining this Mar 02 01:53:48 Topic is: Unoffical discussion, don't forget to register with nickserv Mar 02 01:54:32 haeffb: which is why i said “more explicit” Mar 02 01:54:38 that is, to say the least, insufficiently explicit Mar 02 01:55:08 i had trouble figuring out what was going on and i've been using irc for some 13-odd years Mar 02 01:55:47 “don’t forget” sounds like a friendly reminder like, “hey, this would be a good idea”. not “you won't even be able to say hello until you do this” Mar 02 01:55:53 how about Topic is: Unoffical discussion, DON'T FORGET TO REGISTER WITH NICKSERV :) Mar 02 01:56:19 that works haeffb Mar 02 01:58:49 i don't think that works :/ Mar 02 01:58:54 that's not explicit, it's just emphatic Mar 02 01:59:43 maybe like “You must register with NickServ to send to the channel” Mar 02 02:00:33 i don't think that “don’t forget to register with nickserv” is easily associated with a random error message that just says “cannot send to channel” Mar 02 02:00:55 my first thoughts were that it was moderated, or that i got caught in some ban on someone in my isp Mar 02 02:01:36 is it recommended to uninstall previous SDK before installing 1.4? Mar 02 02:01:43 well, what i was originally here for was to ask, does anyone here use any programs to back up/retrieve sms logs and the like from their webos device? Mar 02 02:42:13 are there changes to sources.json....I'm getting inclusion errors, didn't change anything except switch to 1.4 SDK Mar 02 02:42:17 ? Mar 02 02:46:54 jfelectron: are your slashes escaped in sources.json? Mar 02 02:48:10 Bmyers: uhh no....will do Mar 02 02:48:28 is the parser more strict with 1.4? Mar 02 02:48:35 just a guess.. Mar 02 02:48:54 have installed 1.4sdk yet Mar 02 02:50:23 Bmyers: you do \/ ?? Mar 02 02:51:43 yes Mar 02 02:52:33 i hope not.. Mar 02 02:53:51 so, uninstall SDK 1.3.x? or not? Mar 02 02:54:13 idk haeffb you do it first and tell us Mar 02 02:54:16 Mar 02 02:54:35 not uninstall & see what happens... Mar 02 02:55:39 i'll have to uninstall it first Mar 02 02:55:39 * haeffb figures I can alway buy a new pc from woot... Mar 02 02:55:55 i dont have enough space on this old pc otherwise Mar 02 02:57:27 this is nice... Mar 02 02:57:30 [Warning: For those not of a technical bent, what follows will be as dull as the dullest, tepid dishwater you can imagine, so probably better to venture to something more interesting.] Mar 02 02:58:25 uh oh. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 02 02:59:58 2010