Mar 04 03:11:11 x-mojo-tough-feedback='none' ? Mar 04 03:11:18 missing the wrapper? Mar 04 03:11:19 s/tough/touch Mar 04 03:11:32 i have it as 'momentary' Mar 04 03:11:34 wut up Bmyers Mar 04 03:11:40 hey haeffb Mar 04 03:11:41 on mouse down, the row gets very tall Mar 04 03:11:47 wrapper. Mar 04 03:11:56 should i remove the wrapper? Mar 04 03:12:04

Mar 04 03:12:17 u have that codeslaw? Mar 04 03:12:34 Bmyers: finally figured out why I'm getting the bad reviews. Mar 04 03:12:42 why is that? Mar 04 03:12:55 Users flick-close the app while in the entry scene & it doesn't save their data. Mar 04 03:13:07 i do have the wrapper Mar 04 03:13:08 ah ha Mar 04 03:13:14 "Stupid app doesn't save my data" Mar 04 03:13:33 i think i do save data in the instance... Mar 04 03:13:46 save on deactivate Mar 04 03:13:50 yeah...throw a DB save into deactivate Mar 04 03:13:57 I do. Mar 04 03:14:06 do it harder.. Mar 04 03:14:07 but the app closes before the transaction is done. Mar 04 03:14:14 do it faster. Mar 04 03:14:25 "that's what she said" Mar 04 03:14:37 nice Mar 04 03:14:53 another error message that makes no sense Mar 04 03:14:53 qemux86 user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.biocandy.ringwhere: Uncaught Error: require Failed: unbalanced call to PerfTimer pause/resume 'scene#assistantSetup', palmInitFramework330:10573 Mar 04 03:14:57 codelaw: pastebin your html Mar 04 03:15:37 so what r u gonna do haeffb? Mar 04 03:16:20

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Mar 04 03:16:23 oops soor Mar 04 03:16:27 save preemptively....detect changes as commit them ASAP Mar 04 03:16:28 thought i copied pastebin url Mar 04 03:16:31 go back to building highways Mar 04 03:16:36 http://pastebin.org/100891 Mar 04 03:16:53 either that or add an event handler for propertyChange for all my widgets Mar 04 03:16:54 haeffb: where you're a 'real engineer' :) Mar 04 03:17:34 YES Mar 04 03:17:40 haeffb: how about on card flick you generate a background stage that handles clean up and then exits? Mar 04 03:17:57 im able to set ringtones ;D Mar 04 03:18:23 lol Mar 04 03:18:41 Great idea but poorly executed. I enter all of my trip data and close but when I open it back up my data is gone and it tries to start new trips at my initial starting mileage. I'd love to use this, but first the company should hire a real programmer. Mar 04 03:18:48 man.. i really do not want to go to work tomorrow Mar 04 03:18:57 id like to finish and polish this new app Mar 04 03:19:13 jfelectron: that's also a possibility, but seems like a lot of effort. Mar 04 03:19:43 I think I'll just pull all my shit outta deactivate() and put it into an event handler. add a listener for propertyChange. Mar 04 03:20:29 on 11 widgets/divs Mar 04 03:20:40 that's a lotta listeners. Mar 04 03:20:58 Maybe I'll just add a note that says "if you want to save, do a back gesture." Mar 04 03:21:21 Bmyers: see any probs with it? Mar 04 03:24:24 codeslaw: you said its a list right? Mar 04 03:24:29 yes Mar 04 03:24:49 and i see thats the item template correct? Mar 04 03:26:42 what controller do I use to call showAlertDialog from AppAssistant? Mar 04 03:26:45 codelaw: do you have a .selected style set? Mar 04 03:27:42 Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().activeScene() Mar 04 03:29:44 Whew. I think I've got the export/login stuff working. Now to go see about this "not saving" issue. Mar 04 03:31:12 yes, it is the item template Mar 04 03:31:14 codeslaw: try the row first then the wrapper Mar 04 03:31:26 ok Mar 04 03:31:37 you have the wrapper then the row Mar 04 03:31:45 what div do you want to show feedback? Mar 04 03:32:08 ya that helped Mar 04 03:32:20 it doesn't grow as MUCH on click, but it still does Mar 04 03:32:52 do you have your own selected class specified? Mar 04 03:33:44 never leave important things in the hands of the framework its like a blind chicken Mar 04 03:35:09 jfelectron: is selected a subclass of the palm-row class? Mar 04 03:35:49 codeslaw: in your stylesheet have .palm-row.selected and apply your own style Mar 04 03:36:01 alright Mar 04 03:36:03 you can add .selected to ANY div with feedback Mar 04 03:36:11 its saucy Mar 04 03:36:11 good to know Mar 04 03:36:32 that way you can give feedback to anything that's clickable Mar 04 03:39:05 Quick fix: Note: To save your data, use a "Back Gesture" to return to the main screen. Mar 04 03:39:41 that's palm reccomendation? Mar 04 03:40:15 no, that's my way of solving the "problem" for now. Mar 04 03:40:34 Palm has never said a word about it to me. Mar 04 03:40:57 haeffb: uhh....but that's the same as deactivate no? Mar 04 03:41:14 oh you mean....you'll instruct users to do that? Mar 04 03:41:29 they'll still blame you! Mar 04 03:41:46 Right. If they go back to the main screen, the db transaction finishes before they can then close the app. Mar 04 03:41:49 what was with the dialog haeffb? Mar 04 03:42:23 I've just added a "help" note right smack dab in the middle of the data entry scene. Mar 04 04:00:34 hello all Mar 04 04:00:55 anyone know why a canvas app would break with 1.4? Mar 04 04:00:58 KYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Mar 04 04:01:08 i mean, hi Mar 04 04:01:17 LoneStar99: some differences in the implementation Mar 04 04:01:34 LoneStar99: codeslaw is canvas heavy...ping him Mar 04 04:01:52 LoneStar99: what have ye? Mar 04 04:02:24 codeslaw: have you run into any problems with canvas and 1.4? Mar 04 04:02:30 yes Mar 04 04:02:45 in particular, height/width attribute vs css height/width Mar 04 04:03:02 for example somthing that used to draw, no longer draws... Mar 04 04:03:09 what is it? Mar 04 04:03:43 a cool painting app where you can select different brushes and different colors and .... Mar 04 04:03:48 i've said too much! Mar 04 04:05:13 http://urloid.com/palm9 Mar 04 04:08:08 get no errors, etc... so guessing it is a simple fix... Mar 04 04:08:19 or something obvious... Mar 04 04:09:07 what's not working though Mar 04 04:09:08 ? Mar 04 04:09:16 Has anybody encountered this error while trying to generate a new scene with the 1.4 sdk? "palm-generate: invalid app id" Mar 04 04:09:31 I even get it when trying to generate a scene on an app generated with the hello_app template... Mar 04 04:09:54 codeslaw: dragging does not paint.... Mar 04 04:10:08 hhmmm Mar 04 04:10:51 it is based on this: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/html5-canvas-painting/ Mar 04 04:11:15 are you using translate? Mar 04 04:13:21 not sure what translate does... Mar 04 04:14:55 is there a changelog for sdk 1.4? Mar 04 04:17:42 damn, it can be "webkit updates" or "V8 JavaScript" changes that break this code... Mar 04 04:20:14 LoneStar99: Yes Mar 04 04:20:32 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1588&Itemid=55 Mar 04 04:21:16 LoneStar99: There are canvas problems with 1.4 Mar 04 04:21:44 this sucks, 10 day old app.... i am getting ready for negative feedback... Mar 04 04:25:05 Here it is "The implementation of the Canvas element has changed significantly. It is meant to be compatible with previous versions of webOS, but apps utilizing the Canvas should be tested extensively." Mar 04 04:25:45 heh Mar 04 04:26:17 too bad they don't say "This is how the implementation of the Canvas element has changed, this is what you should look out for" Mar 04 04:27:45 yeah... Mar 04 04:28:06 Anyone have any news for the Roundup today? Mar 04 04:29:46 Nope Mar 04 04:29:56 my canvas stuff is different now but still works Mar 04 04:30:57 anyone know if this error means anything "[20100303-20:28:44.058012] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework330, /usr/p Mar 04 04:30:57 alm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js:142 Mar 04 04:31:52 doesn't look like an error to me Mar 04 04:31:59 looks like an info Mar 04 04:32:33 yeah, i guess not... Mar 04 04:37:55 i get that with almost every run Mar 04 04:38:42 Roy-Pre101: users are dumb Mar 04 04:39:07 wait. that's not news. Mar 04 04:39:11 no, it's not. Mar 04 04:39:15 http://pre101.com/blog/2010/03/03/wednesday-news-roundup-palm-stock-facebook-sdk-and-more/ Mar 04 04:39:16 lol Mar 04 04:39:19 bug gfyd Mar 04 04:39:40 wow Mar 04 04:39:44 ladies Mar 04 04:39:46 what the hell did I type Mar 04 04:39:54 I meant to say but true Mar 04 04:42:17 a Mar 04 04:42:35 Does anyone know how to restore the original bookmarks? My browser formatted on me. :( Mar 04 04:42:51 anyone ever seen this error: [20100303-20:36:15.686675] error: animateWithTimer: 154 Mar 04 05:27:16 hi all Mar 04 05:27:33 hola Mar 04 05:28:32 hi Mar 04 05:28:42 hey Bmyers Mar 04 05:29:01 hi jenp Mar 04 05:29:09 hows things today? Mar 04 05:29:20 great! Mar 04 05:29:22 you? Mar 04 05:30:12 doing ok Mar 04 05:30:32 still waiting on my update to rattle thru Mar 04 05:30:46 oh? how's the website coming along? Mar 04 05:36:45 going ok Mar 04 05:37:02 Hi Adora: Mar 04 05:37:44 Adora: Thanks for checking out Time=$ reviews. Your review did show Mar 04 05:44:58 anyone know why a singleTap event wouldnt fire off of an ImageView? Mar 04 05:48:44 could it be a different tap event? you know how lists have ListTap Mar 04 05:48:51 true Mar 04 05:48:55 i'll check i Mar 04 05:48:56 t Mar 04 05:50:22 dont see anything Mar 04 05:53:34 codeslaw can you check out a few lines of code and tell me if you see something wrong? Mar 04 05:53:40 sure Mar 04 05:55:20 http://pastebin.com/fvRpPFeu Mar 04 05:55:35 is there something special one needs to do for youtube links to launch in the app? Or better yet, anyone know how to get the HTML5 youtube links? Mar 04 05:56:21 found the issue, but not sure why it is line 7 causes the code not to work... Mar 04 05:56:59 jfelectron: i know youtube has a beta site for the html5 stuff Mar 04 05:57:34 http://www.youtube.com/html5 Mar 04 05:57:51 why are you doing a canvas.restore, when you aren't saving/translating Mar 04 05:57:53 LoneStar99: yeah...just wondering if there is some back door way to get the links. There is a site that has a greasemonkey script and a webpage based viewer that pulls the HTML5 Mar 04 05:58:30 codeslaw: not sure... Mar 04 05:58:51 canvas.restore returns it to the last state where you called save, or in this case the origin Mar 04 05:59:03 but the state that it is storing is only modified by translate Mar 04 05:59:42 you save a state, translate it to another state, make some draws that happen in translated space, and then restore to where you where when you saved Mar 04 05:59:43 ok - so i sould remove "canvas.restore"... Mar 04 05:59:54 ya, its not doing anything Mar 04 06:00:28 does that comment //WITHOUT THIS LINE IT WORKS indicate the beginPath line is breaking it? Mar 04 06:00:44 heya, Adora any news re: unreceived registration email situation? Mar 04 06:02:26 codeslaw: if I remove the "context.beginPath();" code works, but the drawing looks pixelated... Mar 04 06:02:54 as in, non-anti-aliased? Mar 04 06:03:00 yeah Mar 04 06:03:17 before 1.4 everything worked perfectly =( Mar 04 06:03:58 re-order the statements Mar 04 06:04:02 so that drawImg is first Mar 04 06:04:04 then beginPath Mar 04 06:04:27 so that your lineWidth, etc, come after the path has started Mar 04 06:08:05 still a no go... Mar 04 06:11:32 hhmm Mar 04 06:11:51 would a slice of pie help? Mar 04 06:12:38 not sure what's happening Mar 04 06:13:56 yeah really werid Mar 04 06:32:24 codeslaw: do you use context.beginPath(); and is it working with 1.4? Mar 04 06:32:39 i dont do any path drawing no Mar 04 06:33:47 so to get the anti-aliased working, what is another alternative? Mar 04 06:34:02 that is perry much all i need Mar 04 06:35:10 i just thought "context.beginPath();" produced the anti=aliasing Mar 04 06:43:07 i'm not totally sure to be honest Mar 04 06:43:17 i just draw images, which are auto-anti aliased Mar 04 06:48:36 same here need to do some research Mar 04 07:27:59 anybody here? Mar 04 07:42:52 anybody here? Mar 04 07:43:07 kinda Mar 04 07:43:31 any idea if there is a way to get an event for when the system starts charging? Mar 04 07:44:52 you mean from within a program? Mar 04 07:45:09 well, either way Mar 04 07:45:19 perhaps just generally an alarm Mar 04 07:45:30 look, here's what I am trying to do Mar 04 07:45:52 I want the application to launch, and the screen not to dim, if the user initiates it, when the device starts charging Mar 04 07:46:14 for this you can do something else Mar 04 07:46:30 oh? Mar 04 07:46:39 sadly i forgot it, but you can have a service tell to not dim... it's something like a continuous event stuff Mar 04 07:46:45 i read it in here some days ago Mar 04 07:47:12 but it was limited to 15 minutes, so after that you had to call it again Mar 04 07:47:31 so wait around in here and ask when someone comes who knows it Mar 04 07:47:59 well I've found that Mar 04 07:48:27 but I wasn't sure how to get around the 15 minute issue, and how to detect when the device is chaging Mar 04 07:48:28 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797&Itemid=283 Mar 04 07:50:17 couldn't you just call it every 14 minutes? Mar 04 07:51:21 maybe you get to know the system property that tells wether the system is charging Mar 04 07:51:51 because there surely should be one that handles the battery icon and the notificator in the bottom Mar 04 07:53:10 yeah, I just have yet to find it Mar 04 07:53:13 hmm Mar 04 07:54:15 but I think in 1.4 there is a new condition that anything running over 10 minutes will automatically be killed, so I'd have to call it every <10 minutes Mar 04 08:10:02 * Templarian thinks it's 3:09 and he has started to code up the fixes for the komodo addon. Mar 04 08:10:52 * Templarian zzzz Mar 04 08:11:16 hah Mar 04 08:50:31 does anyone know if it is possible to get the webos emulator running using VirtualBox 3.1.4? (There is a bug in some virtualbug driver in 3.0 which gives me trouble for some other work). Mar 04 08:55:00 I do not think so Mar 04 08:55:01 at this point Mar 04 08:58:57 hi Mar 04 08:59:14 enybody uses facebuuk calendar? Mar 04 08:59:20 *facebook Mar 04 09:00:10 I have a trouble with time of events Mar 04 09:58:01 Hi, I wonder why emails are not marked as deleted when moved to the trash? No matter how long I read an email, it always is put to the trash and marked as unread... Mar 04 09:58:17 I am using IMAP and collect mail every 15mins Mar 04 14:41:04 Hello, i searching for a solution on how to remove the "addItemLabel" from an already populated list, any suggestions? Mar 04 14:41:41 So you have a list with the add item label, and some event happens and you want to remove it? Mar 04 14:41:47 never add it...? Mar 04 14:42:01 it's in attribs, right? Mar 04 14:43:01 I would use a command menu button to allow adding & remove it when you want. Mar 04 14:43:22 yes its an attribute Mar 04 14:43:45 i pull data from a db and when no more data can be retrieved the addItem should be gone Mar 04 14:44:09 there is a method showAddItem() for listWidgets but nothing happens if i call this method Mar 04 14:47:18 haeffb_pre: the commandmenu is a possible solution, but there must be a way to modify list attributes or im wrong? Mar 04 14:48:13 attribs cannot be modified afaik Mar 04 14:49:29 "Widget attributes cannot be changed after the widget is instantiated" Mar 04 14:51:19 than the only solution is a new scene :-( Mar 04 14:51:44 because i have a list-scene that I would take for DB calls and also for cookie-calls Mar 04 14:57:25 Is the Palm Pre (series) going to be available in Japan Mar 04 14:57:49 if so is time already to start developing apps for the japanese market ? Mar 04 14:58:04 if so is it time already to start developing apps for the japanese market ? Mar 04 15:01:55 god I'd really love to see webos on some decent hardware Mar 04 15:02:12 take a google phone and see what webos can do on that Mar 04 15:04:31 BTW, can webOS run java .jre files? Mar 04 15:05:43 ron_frown, I guess it that would be the pre ++ :) Mar 04 15:05:57 I have a pixi plus I think Mar 04 15:06:15 and they keyboard is crappy enough to just be better to have a onscreen keyboard Mar 04 15:06:19 btu the os is great Mar 04 15:06:22 I meant .... the next version of Pre plus Mar 04 15:06:29 I'd really like to see it on some decent hardware Mar 04 15:06:40 that was palms mistake Mar 04 15:06:44 they did exactly what google did Mar 04 15:06:46 the keyboard is crappy ? ] Mar 04 15:06:54 show boat their os on a meh phone Mar 04 15:07:02 nighty^: I dont care for it Mar 04 15:07:16 buttons are so small I'd rather just have full screen scrreen Mar 04 15:07:19 and have on screen keyboard Mar 04 15:07:35 uhmmm Mar 04 15:07:43 I do not like on screen keyboards Mar 04 15:07:51 I can type WAY WAY faster on my iphone than my webos phone Mar 04 15:07:59 maybe I have big thumbs Mar 04 15:08:00 or I dont know what Mar 04 15:08:04 I'd like to have both Mar 04 15:08:13 Monroe, exactly Mar 04 15:08:14 I wouldnt mind the landscape slide out keyboards Mar 04 15:08:21 but I think this formfactor is pointless Mar 04 15:08:25 I like the physical keyboard, but there are times when I'd like to not have to slide the phone open to type Mar 04 15:08:54 Anyway I do not have a Pre because they are not sold in Japan Mar 04 15:08:59 I wish they were though Mar 04 15:09:37 It kind of left me wondering why Palm did try to enter the Japanese market Mar 04 15:09:44 palms pdk is almost out, now if they would just get a new premium phone with a better keyboard and faster processor I think they could really start picking up devs and consumers Mar 04 15:09:47 letting Apple make a killing all by itself here Mar 04 15:09:57 nighty^: I suspect because they have no part of hardware development Mar 04 15:10:06 so Mar 04 15:10:19 if the hardware doesnt run on your networks... the phone doesnt go to japan Mar 04 15:10:50 I'd say I am so upset with apple over their auschwitz lockdown of the iphone, I'd honestly rather have a non smartphone Mar 04 15:10:55 what it does, it does pretty well Mar 04 15:11:08 Yes that is why I do not have an Iphone Mar 04 15:11:11 but what it doesnt, and the fact you cant do it... if they dont want it Mar 04 15:11:16 I am starting to really hate Apple for what they do Mar 04 15:11:27 is like saying you are married to this smoking hot beautiful super model Mar 04 15:11:32 but you cant touch, caress etc Mar 04 15:11:55 and you can't change the battery when it dies either :) Mar 04 15:12:15 I have friends at apple... and they never disclose secrets, but I was trying to get something out of him... and was saying "...I bet they got a new version of their os right around the corner.." Mar 04 15:12:38 and he said... "...I dont know any specifics about that team, but I get the impression its very very very disorganized, so it'll happen when it happens" Mar 04 15:12:53 nighty^: to be fair, I havent had a battery die die in a phone in about 10yr Mar 04 15:13:01 nor have I heard of anyones Iphone battery die di Mar 04 15:13:02 die Mar 04 15:13:18 ron_frown, just a peace of mind thing Mar 04 15:13:29 ron_frown, if the battery does happen to die Mar 04 15:13:35 ron_frown, it is nice to be able to change it Mar 04 15:13:42 ron_frown: my battery + charging port on my year and a half old iphone 3g just had to be replaced Mar 04 15:14:46 ron_frown, you seem to imply that Palm is not doing well on the market though ? Mar 04 15:14:56 well that seems to be the concensus Mar 04 15:15:06 I mean I support them whole heartedly Mar 04 15:15:17 apple tried the web apps as 3rd party apps and failed miserably Mar 04 15:15:22 ron_frown, too bad if this is really the case Mar 04 15:15:27 palms sdk is a homerun imo Mar 04 15:15:34 because the market really needs something counter the iphone Mar 04 15:15:45 most people get the wrong idea about the os because its running on non-competitive hardware Mar 04 15:15:45 and give more freedom to the consumers Mar 04 15:15:54 nighty^: android is already doing that Mar 04 15:16:03 ron_frown, google Mar 04 15:16:07 no thank you Mar 04 15:16:12 but yes I actually like that webos is much much more fluid and thought out better from a usability standpoint Mar 04 15:16:22 apple / google / microsoft , these guys are all the same Mar 04 15:16:38 palm on the other end is still small enough not to be like that Mar 04 15:17:19 uhh no they are absolutely not Mar 04 15:17:28 not what ? Mar 04 15:17:29 android is free and completely opensource Mar 04 15:17:35 they built the os to be completely pluggable Mar 04 15:17:53 if I want my custom app ot handle where the stock os used to for sending sms or making phone calls Mar 04 15:17:53 I can Mar 04 15:17:54 android is not completely free Mar 04 15:18:07 if I want to replace the dialer completely, or if I want to replace launcher or lock screen stuff Mar 04 15:18:11 wide open. Mar 04 15:18:18 in the BSD sense Mar 04 15:18:40 you can't take Android and just do what ever you want with it Mar 04 15:18:46 yeah you can Mar 04 15:18:49 and people are Mar 04 15:18:54 now gpl is gps Mar 04 15:18:55 gpl Mar 04 15:18:56 how so ? Mar 04 15:19:05 its on netbooks, infotainment devices Mar 04 15:19:10 GPL prevents you from doing a lots of things Mar 04 15:19:11 its on alarm clocks Mar 04 15:19:23 yes it does Mar 04 15:19:25 but anyhow I understand what you mean Mar 04 15:19:27 but there are ways around everything Mar 04 15:19:32 what I am saying is Mar 04 15:19:38 obviously google created android to make money Mar 04 15:19:56 but I dont get the impression that they think they are going to be able to dictate what each and every person does with their hardware Mar 04 15:20:06 WebOS though seems more elegant IMHO Mar 04 15:20:07 they seem to prid themselves in happier people with more options Mar 04 15:20:26 not that I am an expert in either of them Mar 04 15:20:32 nighty^: webos is not more elegant, and the only reason why I say that is that its not quite up to par as far as things you can do with it Mar 04 15:20:39 the UI on webos is WAY WAY WAY WAY more usable Mar 04 15:20:49 everything is consistent, and much of it is intuitive Mar 04 15:20:55 android is built by engineers Mar 04 15:20:59 you can tell in some places =) Mar 04 15:22:01 well then the only proper course of action if for google to buy palm then :) Mar 04 15:22:12 s/if/is/ Mar 04 15:22:16 no Mar 04 15:22:23 I think palm needs to stay on their own Mar 04 15:22:37 and die ? Mar 04 15:22:46 I think androids been highly adopted because its open... and any manufacturer can pick it up and install it Mar 04 15:22:56 but if palm starts getting some super phones Mar 04 15:23:02 they could do REAL well Mar 04 15:23:15 and get sued by Apple ? (like HTC) ? Mar 04 15:23:17 people look at the webos phones and see tiny screen, cheap feeling hardware Mar 04 15:23:18 :) Mar 04 15:23:22 dont see the beauty of the os Mar 04 15:23:30 hehe Mar 04 15:23:36 you see htcs response? Mar 04 15:23:41 not yet Mar 04 15:23:50 not in the same words but basically Mar 04 15:23:54 except the one where they said they were surprised Mar 04 15:24:20 "...we were in the phone business much much much longer than apple was and have a huge portfolio of phone related patents.. many of which the iphone violates..." Mar 04 15:24:37 Nokia --> Apple --> HTC ---> Apple :) Mar 04 15:24:42 nokia I think has like 400 patents that were violated by apple Mar 04 15:24:46 clusterfuck!!! Mar 04 15:24:57 apple thinks they can come in and strong arm all the competition Mar 04 15:25:17 well thats classic Steve Jobs Mar 04 15:25:19 but the fact of the matter is, when the big guys get sick of it, apple is going to be in it for a hurting Mar 04 15:25:35 now the iphone os is major stale Mar 04 15:25:40 and they dont seem to be doing anything about it Mar 04 15:25:48 so I say you know what? fuck them Mar 04 15:26:02 :) Mar 04 15:29:12 there has been exactly one new feature added to my iphone 3gs since I bought it Mar 04 15:29:21 and thats mms, which was more of a carrier featuer anyway Mar 04 15:33:20 if they dont want to write new features thats fine Mar 04 15:33:24 but let us do that Mar 04 15:34:32 morning Mar 04 15:38:09 anyone here running 1.4 fresh feel like test downloading/installing a free app in the catalog? Mar 04 15:38:27 ive been trying to get sporting news pro baseball since i upgraded (and doctored) and it stalls at "installing..." and never completes Mar 04 15:38:59 seems like someone was talking about that yesterday ... or was that you? ;) Mar 04 15:39:23 might have bene me monroe - dont think anyone responded ;) Mar 04 15:39:28 hehe Mar 04 15:39:44 I'll try it Mar 04 15:39:56 thanks :) so odd. the dashboard pops up and says its installed Mar 04 15:40:18 but the catalog still shows it installing. and in the launcher, its icon is transparent w/ a full blue circle, like its in the final stages of install Mar 04 15:40:43 BUT. it stays there indefinitely. and when i orange+tap it, it will uninstall and shows the size of it as 0K Mar 04 15:41:38 Seems to be working for me Mar 04 15:41:59 oh man, so odd Mar 04 15:42:04 Hey, if peeps here want to help test Spaz 1.1.0, here's the IPK: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/361393/com.funkatron.app.spaz_1.1.0_all-test4.ipk Mar 04 15:42:08 i can check the ipkg log Mar 04 15:42:47 please report issues here: https://spaz.lighthouseapp.com/projects/40115-spaz-webos Mar 04 15:42:51 thx Mar 04 15:42:53 would it be in /var/log/messages, Monroe? Mar 04 15:43:08 seems logical Mar 04 15:43:19