**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 05 02:59:58 2010 Mar 05 03:01:26 Guys those of you that use komodo heres the basic idea of how the new appinfo panel will work: http://random.templarian.com/appinfo.html Mar 05 03:03:07 hi haeffb Mar 05 03:03:38 jfhey jenp Mar 05 03:03:51 how ya doing? Mar 05 03:05:23 struggling Mar 05 03:05:31 you? Mar 05 03:05:54 done with the work week. so feeling great. Mar 05 03:06:25 trying to debug my program Mar 05 03:08:56 same here Mar 05 03:09:13 except have to go to a funeral tomorrow. so that's not so great. Mar 05 03:09:13 are you working on the gps stuff? Mar 05 03:09:20 oh i'm sorry Mar 05 03:09:25 nope, trying to fix some buggy stuff Mar 05 03:09:38 Finally figured out why I'm getting poor reviews. Mar 05 03:09:43 i hear ya there Mar 05 03:09:47 why? Mar 05 03:10:03 If a user flick-closes the app from the data entry scene, the app dies before the DB transactions completed Mar 05 03:10:08 so data is no saved Mar 05 03:10:16 oh no Mar 05 03:10:21 So, "this app is crap, it doesn't save data." Mar 05 03:10:57 oh.... Mar 05 03:11:22 right Mar 05 03:11:31 so, looking for a workaround Mar 05 03:11:47 and so far it's not pretty Mar 05 03:12:01 oh? sugardave or bmyers any help? Mar 05 03:12:15 bmyers, sugardave, HELP! Mar 05 03:12:21 we'll see.... :) Mar 05 03:12:24 LOL Mar 05 03:12:26 giggles Mar 05 03:12:47 the way I see it, I have a couple of options: Mar 05 03:13:00 1) tell the users to use a "back gesture" to save data (easy) Mar 05 03:13:19 2) save data every time they change a widget Mar 05 03:13:35 haeffb: 1) goes against Palm guidelines for having explicit saves Mar 05 03:13:45 3) launch a dashboard stage to fire the db transactions, & close it when they're completed Mar 05 03:13:54 jf, you're back! Mar 05 03:14:04 I have the dashboard working Mar 05 03:14:07 is it possible to launch a dialog box telling them to save? Mar 05 03:14:11 have to walk home sometime...as much as I like hanging out in lab :) Mar 05 03:14:40 problem: my list scene re-reads the data from the db on activate Mar 05 03:15:12 & the dashboard db save isn't done by the time the list activate()s after poping the entry scene Mar 05 03:15:44 haeffb: uhhh check to see if the object is already there, if it is don't re-read Mar 05 03:15:44 so the list doesn't get the updated data. Mar 05 03:17:05 huh....i'm confused. So first time you read data from db, the user updates data in the scene....it doesn't get saved and on re-push the stale data gets loaded again? Mar 05 03:18:45 damn...I wish charding over USB were faster Mar 05 03:18:53 lol Mar 05 03:19:14 I need my phone on so I can steal some code from another app :) Mar 05 03:19:24 lol Mar 05 03:19:30 yes. Mar 05 03:19:36 I mean casually learn from :) Mar 05 03:19:44 changing the way I read teh data now. Mar 05 03:20:18 ok, this might work. Mar 05 03:20:30 moved the db reads to setup() Mar 05 03:20:49 update the listModel from entry scene Mar 05 03:20:54 activate() calls modelChanged Mar 05 03:20:55 that restricts it to initial push yes Mar 05 03:21:19 so, I only read DB at startup Mar 05 03:21:53 load the data into the model, then use that model while app is running. Make any changes to db & model at same time. Mar 05 03:40:45 I think it's working. Anybody wanna try to break it? Mar 05 03:44:20 Me! Mar 05 03:44:47 I like breaking stuff! Mar 05 03:45:49 email? Mar 05 03:46:00 patrickATsilentbluesystems.com Mar 05 03:48:17 ok, you're on. Mar 05 03:48:27 kk Mar 05 03:48:39 give me a sec to find a microusb cord Mar 05 03:48:59 I shall be going to sleep now. C U tomorrow. Email what works/doesn't works... Mar 05 03:49:06 what's the new dev code? Mar 05 03:49:13 kk Mar 05 03:49:34 what dev code? Mar 05 03:50:17 dev mode code Mar 05 03:51:00 I think its something like webos06012010 or something Mar 05 03:51:03 webos20090606 ? Mar 05 03:51:09 yeah Mar 05 03:51:12 or something Mar 05 03:51:22 keep trying stuff that looks something like that Mar 05 03:51:59 that's it! Mar 05 03:52:05 LMGTFY: http://palmwebos.org/2009/09/22/there-are-now-two-ways-to-enter-developer-mode-in-webos/ Mar 05 03:52:13 and..... installed! Mar 05 03:52:29 * haeffb going mobile. Mar 05 03:52:45 one step closer to some code grokking Mar 05 03:52:49 * haeffb_pre mobile Mar 05 03:53:12 just need to see how someone whipped download manager into shape for a particular web service upload Mar 05 03:54:19 oh, don't laugh at the code. I'm not a 'real programmer' Mar 05 04:41:41 yo yo yo Mar 05 04:41:52 no se ingles Mar 05 04:42:37 def wanna go with hablar there Mar 05 04:42:44 no hablo ingles Mar 05 04:42:59 NO HABLO FREAKING ENGLISH Mar 05 04:43:09 I DONT HABLAR YOUR DAMN LANGUAGE Mar 05 04:43:19 pardon me Mar 05 04:43:29 lol Mar 05 04:43:30 ive hit the sauce tonight Mar 05 04:43:39 * halfhalo wants some Mar 05 04:45:07 i thought palm said flash will be out last month Mar 05 04:45:11 they did Mar 05 04:45:25 then adobe was like "we're bringing Air, but it will take more time" Mar 05 04:45:25 the beta at least Mar 05 04:45:37 and the world was like "fine fine fine fine" Mar 05 04:45:40 you know first adobe said october Mar 05 04:45:45 then it was by the end of 09 Mar 05 04:45:49 now who knows Mar 05 04:47:19 So, all these json changes have broken everything in my app -- JSON.stringify() hangs forever now, I can crash the pre if I use the json.org version of stringify on my object Mar 05 04:47:29 with 1.4's release Mar 05 04:47:58 rattattat: Object.toJSON() ? Mar 05 04:49:12 rattattat: as in the band? Mar 05 04:49:56 rattattat: that also hangs forever (same as stringify) Mar 05 04:50:32 Is there any other ways to serialize an object? Mar 05 04:52:32 oh my gosh It's not hanging forever, it's just exceptionally slow now! It used to take ~.25 seconds, it now takes 3 minutes to serialize a ~200k object... Mar 05 04:54:41 rattattat: 1.4 has a 10 second kill switch on any process, if it takes > 10 seconds it terminates it.... Mar 05 04:55:15 http://uoid.me/141 Mar 05 04:57:10 I'm not hitting that... Mar 05 04:59:15 2010-03-05T04:49:20.710315Z [10730] qemux86 user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.slowjson: Info: About to run save_json, palmInitFramework330:2510 Mar 05 04:59:15 2010-03-05T04:52:12.616216Z [10784] qemux86 user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.slowjson: Info: json done, palmInitFramework330:2510 Mar 05 05:01:38 How could they ship something that makes Json "safe" and 1000 times slower -- how can I access the non-safe implementation? Mar 05 05:03:25 not sure... still trying to fix some code, that 1.4 broke... Mar 05 05:25:22 so basically any complex object is no longer seralizable in 1.4 (it works I guess, if you're willing to wait a full minute to seralize simple objects) -- I'm shocked there aren't more people going nuts over this Mar 05 05:36:27 JSON.parse you mean? Mar 05 06:02:31 Templarian: Hey, long time no see. Hope all is good. Mar 05 06:03:19 Did you guys read the release notes on 1.4? Mar 05 06:03:34 It talks all about the json stuff and how to access the old methods. Mar 05 06:09:36 Roy-Pre101: http://random.templarian.com/appinfo.html << Mar 05 06:10:54 That is the new parser and writer for the JSON files. Mar 05 06:13:45 works nicely. Mar 05 06:14:01 Even with the splashicon and splashBackground settings Mar 05 06:14:13 Hmm, I bet splashicon is supposed to be splashIcon. Mar 05 06:15:05 odd, it's not. Mar 05 06:20:13 It pulls whatever the user has i'm going to bed will code it in tomorrow. Mar 05 06:20:24 And work on getting my servers SSL enabled. Mar 05 06:24:29 Has anyone had problems with switch statements not working? Mar 05 06:27:18 Not really, no. Mar 05 06:27:28 (I can speak for everyone apparently) Mar 05 06:27:55 i have also had no trouble with switch statements Mar 05 06:32:49 weird. Since updating to SDK 1.4 my switch statements started to work only sometimes, and now they don't work at all. Mar 05 06:40:43 Epix: I had some problems with switch statements in 1.3.5 - had to end up using "if else" Mar 05 06:41:47 Yeah I'm in the process of converting them to if statements. Mar 05 06:43:11 it took me hours, to figure it out, but after that experience if switch statements to not work after about 20 minutes of tinkerin, i simply use "if else" ... Mar 05 06:45:30 It's a pain to have to switch them all. I'll make sure not use them again Mar 05 06:47:23 i still use them, only change the ones giving you problems Mar 05 07:00:38 is there a new format for appinfo.json? Mar 05 07:02:52 hi all Mar 05 07:03:44 hello JenP Mar 05 07:03:53 hi LoneStar99 Mar 05 07:04:14 do you know anything about a new format for the "appinfo.json"? Mar 05 07:04:34 new to 1.4? Mar 05 07:05:27 what new format? Mar 05 07:06:40 oh not sure, just wondering Mar 05 07:07:42 i know there was a change in the 1.3 build Mar 05 07:08:06 that our help information would be generated off of the information we put in the appinfo.json Mar 05 07:08:20 oh, ok, Mar 05 07:28:09 morning Mar 05 07:33:43 morning swisstomcat Mar 05 07:33:51 morning rod Mar 05 07:34:12 morning swiss Mar 05 07:34:22 morning lone Mar 05 07:34:24 star Mar 05 07:34:38 hi swisstomcat Mar 05 07:34:49 hey jen Mar 05 07:35:49 how ya doing? Mar 05 07:36:36 here fixing broken code, from 1.4 got to be glad, the app has been a slow seller... Mar 05 07:36:53 me too...not happy... Mar 05 07:37:11 wish we had time to work on it before it went public Mar 05 07:38:49 yeah, kinda sucks, it gonna make some folks, life a bit tough for abit Mar 05 07:41:30 released a fix for 1.4, but after the fact noticed the fix is still broken =( Mar 05 07:47:01 Anyone here EU that can tell me the IP of a.ns.facsware.com please Mar 05 07:48:01 Maybe too early in the morning for EU? How about any non-US? Mar 05 07:58:23 n8rrv: 69.59.144.116 Mar 05 07:58:44 (.au, not .eu) Mar 05 08:00:58 n9rrv: 216.121.7.164 (switzerland) Mar 05 08:01:03 n8rrv Mar 05 08:01:41 need to fix audio for my app Mar 05 09:56:04 hello Mar 05 09:56:29 did someone know were i get the prereleases oft the mojo-sdk? Mar 05 10:04:28 hold on Mar 05 10:04:42 there's a post on the palm developer forum how to get access Mar 05 10:06:44 in Mojo Javascript Frameworks » APIs? Mar 05 10:12:43 announcements Mar 05 10:13:07 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573 Mar 05 10:16:13 thx Mar 05 12:41:51 What's so great about 1.4? Mar 05 12:42:11 video Mar 05 12:42:47 I just installed a bunch of patches with preware. Do I need to remove them before upgrading? Mar 05 12:44:03 I don't know. not a patcher... Mar 05 12:44:35 Eh, it looks like 1.4 breaks tethering. Mar 05 12:44:37 Again. Mar 05 12:44:40 I'll hold off. Mar 05 12:45:25 i'd ask in webos-internals Mar 05 12:45:32 #webos-internals Mar 05 12:45:37 about patching Mar 05 12:47:22 hi swisstomcat Mar 05 12:47:34 hey haeffb Mar 05 14:34:55 any beta testers around for the updated moo app? Mar 05 14:38:00 care to test the moo update, lonestar? Mar 05 14:39:29 yeah, send it over dmontalvoATgmail.com Mar 05 14:40:55 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.4_all.ipk Mar 05 14:42:06 hi Mar 05 14:42:20 hi Mar 05 14:42:26 swisstomcat: ok downloaded, gonna go eat breakfast, then will test it Mar 05 14:42:30 k, thanks Mar 05 14:42:40 just to weed out any last-minute bugs Mar 05 14:42:44 test what? Mar 05 14:42:48 my app update Mar 05 14:42:50 in USA? Mar 05 14:43:00 which app? Mar 05 14:43:00 * swisstomcat is in europe Mar 05 14:43:07 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.4_all.ipk Mar 05 14:45:49 swisstomcat: it should be tested on device right? Mar 05 14:46:05 yeah, because off accelerometer and sound Mar 05 14:48:57 ok brb Mar 05 14:58:43 i have very big list about 200K, do I put it in seperate file or just in stage-assistant.js? Mar 05 15:02:48 i'd say seperate file .. what is in it? Mar 05 15:08:22 a long Chinese charactor to learning Mar 05 15:08:26 to learn Mar 05 15:08:32 for my 3 yrs old son Mar 05 15:08:39 i'm in china Mar 05 15:09:00 some selected charactors Mar 05 15:09:02 not all Mar 05 15:12:50 i use chars = [{ch:"Chinese", py:"ch"}, ] something like this Mar 05 15:13:15 is chars global? Mar 05 15:14:27 probably Mar 05 15:16:38 not very sure Mar 05 15:16:58 in webOS, which is global, which is local? Mar 05 15:17:03 i'm very confused Mar 05 15:19:15 sisstomcat testing Mar 05 15:22:09 great Mar 05 15:22:38 swisstomcat: how do you debug? Mar 05 15:22:44 use Mojo.Error? Mar 05 15:22:48 yeah Mar 05 15:22:53 and palm-log Mar 05 15:26:38 do you know how to make 2D list like Pre's Photo? Mar 05 15:27:01 i want to list chinese chars in 3X3 in one screen Mar 05 15:28:19 swisstomcat: testing, and everything was working well, but now seems really sluggish, when i go back to main menu Mar 05 15:29:05 was on last two bear and rooster, when it started to slow down Mar 05 15:29:08 using 1.4 Mar 05 15:53:56 lonestar: hmm, i noticed that scrolling is a bit sluggish too Mar 05 15:54:11 benluo: use a list widget for that Mar 05 15:54:59 swisstomcat: t only began to happen when using the last two animals Mar 05 15:55:06 ping roy-pre101 Mar 05 15:55:13 really? let me test again Mar 05 15:55:17 pong swisstomcat Mar 05 15:55:17 it Mar 05 15:57:47 swisstomcat: but how to make it? Mar 05 15:57:56 use additional css config? Mar 05 15:59:45 lonestar: what exactly is sluggish? just scrolling or something else? Mar 05 16:00:17 benluo: there's the documentation about the list widget on the palm developer site .. have you used it already? Mar 05 16:01:06 yes. it just 1d not 2d Mar 05 16:01:12 if i'm not wrong Mar 05 16:01:13 :( Mar 05 16:02:11 2dimensional? Mar 05 16:04:36 gridlist? Mar 05 16:05:19 yes. gridlist Mar 05 16:05:26 like pre's photo app Mar 05 16:07:33 guess you could use an html-table Mar 05 16:10:43 i don't know if the gridlist widget is an official one Mar 05 16:12:26 i think it also. but i think it's ugly Mar 05 16:12:56 want to know if their is a "official" one. because Pre Photo app use it Mar 05 16:18:37 anyone know, how to add a submenu to help "Mojo.Menu.helpItem" Mar 05 16:25:56 ugh, so i decided to try my hand at some android development Mar 05 16:25:59 Eclipse freaking sucks Mar 05 16:26:15 yeah it does Mar 05 16:26:29 i love eclipse, but i have been using it for many years now Mar 05 16:28:41 it just crashed on me when i was just typing in some xml. i relaunched it but now i'm sure how to open the project i was working on Mar 05 16:30:22 i seem to have gotten back to it by going to Window -> Open Perspective -> Java Mar 05 16:30:24 weird Mar 05 16:30:26 if eclipse doesn't work, use komodo Mar 05 16:30:42 or back to emacs Mar 05 16:30:59 emacs feel good Mar 05 16:31:26 somehow it seems that Android development is a little more involved and practically requires things like ADT in Eclipse Mar 05 16:31:45 i'm sure like most IDEs i just need to learn the qurks and get used to it. first impression is that it sucks though :) Mar 05 16:32:56 :) Mar 05 16:45:17 ola amigos! Mar 05 16:45:41 hola Mar 05 16:45:52 my office is.... empty Mar 05 16:45:55 as always Mar 05 16:45:57 on fridays Mar 05 16:47:27 mine isn't empty, but i'm not in it :) Mar 05 16:47:30 lol Mar 05 16:47:45 Methinks its "rearranging" time Mar 05 16:48:04 As in, I'm stealing this 30" Display for my own station Mar 05 16:48:51 morning Mar 05 16:49:08 You Damn Kids, GET OFF MY LAWN! Mar 05 16:49:17 * halfhalo shakes a stick at those damn kids Mar 05 16:49:57 * digitalpowers runs scared Mar 05 16:50:51 hmmmm Mar 05 16:51:14 totally forgot that my schools wifi does not let smtp go through unless the vpn or the secure network is up Mar 05 16:51:20 whutup, g Mar 05 16:51:29 whats crackin maik Mar 05 16:51:44 i pee'd your d oh single g this am Mar 05 16:51:45 u kno, chillin, killin Mar 05 16:52:00 oh crap, forgot to set reminders Mar 05 16:52:03 lol Mar 05 16:52:03 thx for peeing on my dog Mar 05 16:52:21 ... Mar 05 16:52:35 ??? Mar 05 16:52:43 pie? Mar 05 16:52:51 alright i have some questions to kick start the day. 1 is does anyone who is around use smaato for advertising and do they know how ot make it stop sucking Mar 05 16:52:51 mmm pie Mar 05 16:53:17 cinn was complaining about the advertisements yesterday, btw Mar 05 16:53:18 nope, I know nothing about smaato Mar 05 16:53:22 2. anyone using the download manager noticed that when onSuccess is called the file isnt actually quite ready and have they found a way to tell when it is exactly ready Mar 05 16:53:38 she doesn't like it because on the pixi a lot of times she has to scroll down to click Mar 05 16:53:49 are you advertising halfhalo? Mar 05 16:53:52 problem is if you were to move the ads below the button it likely wouldn't be visible Mar 05 16:54:05 yeah she is stuck scrolling :P Mar 05 16:54:16 ya Mar 05 16:54:18 well i might move stuff around so pixi folk dont have to scroll Mar 05 16:54:26 people are MAD about money not accumulating btw Mar 05 16:54:34 haha Mar 05 16:54:38 what am I going to use for advertising? I still have to release an app Mar 05 16:54:39 it doesn't even mean anything Mar 05 16:55:03 but that should provide incentive for you to a) keep it and b) develop it Mar 05 16:55:05 i keep getting downraited for it, even though it says money is not impliments in the description Mar 05 16:55:12 stupid stupids Mar 05 16:55:16 seriously Mar 05 16:55:26 it be srs bsns? Mar 05 16:55:44 people are playing though, my server is getting hammerd, had to bump max connection pool Mar 05 16:55:44 anyone know a way to tell if a user just got off the phone and for how long they were on the phone? Mar 05 16:56:04 srsly srs bsns Mar 05 16:56:15 digitalpowers: what app? Mar 05 16:56:27 Territory, it is in the beta feed Mar 05 16:56:32 ah Mar 05 16:56:34 I can't get my facebook picture login to work... Mar 05 16:56:34 terreeeetorrreee Mar 05 16:56:48 gps based game you run around claiming territories and compete to try to take over the world Mar 05 16:56:49 sya it keeps saying the userpass is wrong, but it's not. it works in the calendar app... Mar 05 16:56:58 nice Mar 05 17:03:05 ok, im bored Mar 05 17:04:28 ding, fries are done! Mar 05 17:05:09 http://random.templarian.com/appinfo.html if anyone gets bored check this out and test your random appinfos trying to break it (same code base that will be in the addon). Mar 05 17:06:33 heh Mar 05 17:08:13 * halfhalo loads up eclipse to attempt ot break some more code Mar 05 17:26:22 native 64 bit linux SDK please Mar 05 17:57:32 i'm using the 32bit sdk on x64 linux without any problems Mar 05 17:59:55 if i am populating a list Mar 05 18:00:18 it escapes any HTML i pass in via #{varName} in the template Mar 05 18:00:31 is there an un-escape method i need to wedge in there? Mar 05 18:04:26 yarrggh Mar 05 18:04:33 wtf Mar 05 18:04:37 stupid ajax Mar 05 18:09:21 solve: add a dash to the varname Mar 05 18:09:27 #{-varName} Mar 05 18:09:30 wont escape it Mar 05 18:13:19 wooo! Mar 05 18:13:23 OOOOOO Mar 05 18:13:25 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mar 05 18:13:26 pie Mar 05 18:13:56 I got one of my scenes to work properly Mar 05 18:14:21 congrats Mar 05 18:14:26 yup Mar 05 18:21:00 is it possible to change the default background color for an app? i have a body bg specified Mar 05 18:21:10 but i still get the crappy gray when ever a list is shorter than the page Mar 05 18:23:07 god i suck at the list widget Mar 05 18:23:22 how can i change the height? Mar 05 18:23:30 does palm-row force some kind of height? Mar 05 18:24:10 I honestly have no idea.... Mar 05 18:24:11 codeslaw: I think you can change the app background color in the body.palm-default style. I could be wrong though, because that's from memory. Mar 05 18:25:01 i'll try it Robdor Mar 05 18:26:49 You could also try using the !important rule in the body style, it may work. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/cascade.html#important-rules Mar 05 18:26:54 Robdor: that works Mar 05 18:27:02 body.palm-default that is Mar 05 18:38:02 wooo Mar 05 18:38:07 now I get to deal with lists... Mar 05 18:43:55 codeslaw: there is a escape html option for lists in the attributes Mar 05 19:01:04 fudge.. Mar 05 19:01:22 spending more $ than i was expecting to at summit.. but thats usually how it goes heh Mar 05 19:20:05 digitalpowers Mar 05 19:20:28 yes? Mar 05 19:20:57 just sent you two msn messages Mar 05 19:41:33 digitalpowers: did you ever get your google maps working? Mar 05 19:44:06 he did Mar 05 19:44:17 good deal Mar 05 19:44:34 Monroe: i did, even got overlays working i am so stoked, although it will not run on the emulator for me at all Mar 05 19:44:46 doh! Mar 05 19:44:59 does it work in the emulator for you? Mar 05 19:45:03 I got the map to load on the emu ... Mar 05 19:45:22 I couldn't get an overlay working yesterday, but only tried for about 10 minutes then had to go Mar 05 19:45:40 weird, i might try reinstalling my emulator because i download the guy who wrote that articles app and it wouldnt load on his either, that is what prompted me to try the phone Mar 05 19:45:52 using the 1.4 emu? Mar 05 19:46:00 yeah Mar 05 19:46:03 me too Mar 05 19:46:34 My biggest hurdle is that I haven't used the google api in about a year, so I've forgotten how to do everything ... Mar 05 19:47:02 heh, want me to link my overlay code? Mar 05 19:47:11 sure Mar 05 19:48:06 Actually, my problem might not so much be the overlay code, as it is getting the "click" event to work Mar 05 19:48:34 But as I said, I've only mesed with it for a few minutes. I probably just need to spend some more time with it Mar 05 19:49:12 bear in mind mine is setup to do a .001 x .001 square of a particular color and then an image over the top of it, so that is what is going on http://webos.pastebin.com/UTHhakL9 Mar 05 19:49:21 oh well i am not doing clicks so that might not help you Mar 05 19:50:13 in a strange note i just tried it and it totaly worked in the emulator today Mar 05 19:50:26 I'm wondering if I'm going to have to do something where I handle a mojo.tap event, and then use that to fire a google click event or something Mar 05 19:50:47 hehe ... Stupid technology not being consistent :) Mar 05 19:50:59 i dont think so, the guy who wrote that article was doing clicks Mar 05 19:51:01 gimme aa sec Mar 05 19:53:30 he is doing Mar 05 19:53:31 GEvent.addListener(this.map, "click", Mar 05 19:53:31 function(clickable) { Mar 05 19:53:31 this.controller.stageController.pushScene("StopInfo", clickable.oba_stop); Mar 05 19:53:31 }.bind(this)); Mar 05 19:53:37 bah i will pastie Mar 05 19:53:52 http://webos.pastebin.com/diXMQbCX Mar 05 19:55:09 that's basically what I was doing, only instead of defining the handler function in the parameter to addListener, I was defining as a method of the scene assistant, and putting this.myHandler() as the parameter in the addListener() call Mar 05 19:55:32 oh Mar 05 19:55:35 I see my issue Mar 05 19:55:46 forgot to at .bind(this) to the end Mar 05 19:57:00 GEvent.addListener(this.map, "click", this.myHandler.bind(this)) Mar 05 19:57:14 I bet that will work Mar 05 19:57:15 sweet Mar 05 19:57:19 off to lunch for a few Mar 05 20:14:00 hi all Mar 05 20:14:10 ello thar Mar 05 20:23:30 halfhalo: you here? Mar 05 20:23:43 hi JenP Mar 05 20:23:57 hey codeslaw how are you? Mar 05 20:24:03 halfhalo: just testing with photoshop, i'm getting about 1/10th the filesize using jpg vs png Mar 05 20:24:20 doin good, smoothing some bumps in an update i want to submit tonight Mar 05 20:24:37 yeah i hear that Mar 05 20:24:38 orly Mar 05 20:24:56 do you still have the beta? try out the featured gallery, all those are jpgs now Mar 05 20:25:38 yeah Mar 05 20:25:45 let me know how the speed is Mar 05 20:26:17 5 seconds to first image Mar 05 20:26:41 well yours still has noExtractFS set to false Mar 05 20:27:01 makes a hefty difference Mar 05 20:27:06 orly Mar 05 20:27:15 i'll send out another beta in a bit Mar 05 20:27:22 kk Mar 05 20:27:39 filesize went from ~300kb to ~30kb Mar 05 20:30:33 codeslaw: are you using hte download manager in your app? Mar 05 20:30:40 no Mar 05 20:30:41 Anyone read the O'Reilly Palm WebOS book, good reference? Mar 05 20:30:44 okies Mar 05 20:30:59 BoomerET: i have it, borderline useless Mar 05 20:31:08 codeslaw but you are cashing images in memory? Mar 05 20:31:21 digitalpowers: i am creating image objects and storing them Mar 05 20:31:27 to use the webkit image cache Mar 05 20:31:41 but i dont know if ImageView widget respects that Mar 05 20:31:54 once you have an image object how do you assign that image to an html object? Mar 05 20:31:56 How about the Prototype/Script.aculo.us book? Or any others you may recommend? I'm also learning Javascript. Mar 05 20:32:06 jQuery maybe? Mar 05 20:36:01 digitalpowers: it is an html object Mar 05 20:36:41 var x = new Image(); x.src = "www.hi.com/pic.jpg"; $('myDiv').appendChild(x); Mar 05 20:36:43 but Mar 05 20:36:57 i see Mar 05 20:37:28 i'm not using it like that. I was under the impression that just by creating that new image and setting it's src property, that the data is then cached by the webkit engine, anytime the same url is requested Mar 05 20:37:57 as long as you hang on to a reference of that image object Mar 05 20:38:04 but, i dont see it actually performing that way Mar 05 20:40:38 interesting Mar 05 20:42:31 what i am doing (that is not working quite right) is actually downloading the file to the /media/internal. The problem I am having is that download manager says it is done with the file and in the onSuccess callback I assign the .src of my img object to the recently downloaded file but it doesnt load, however if a few seconds later i assign it it works just fine. I am thinking that maybe if i assign it to an image object in memory and assign it to a div Mar 05 20:44:29 how are you waiting a few seconds Mar 05 20:44:32 Mar 05 20:44:33 setTimeout? Mar 05 20:44:51 naw i just end up trying for the image again in the natural corse of things Mar 05 20:45:00 i see Mar 05 20:45:21 and i have examined on success it looks fine, not sure what the deal is Mar 05 20:45:31 although i did just come up with an idea that might solve it, going to try that Mar 05 20:45:40 let me know, that sounds weird Mar 05 20:45:50 like the dl manager has a lock on the file Mar 05 20:48:08 maybe use onComplete instead of onsuccess ? Mar 05 20:50:07 might be it Mar 05 20:50:24 is there an onComplete!? Mar 05 20:52:03 almost always Mar 05 20:52:19 doesnt look like it for download manager, at least it is not in the sdk Mar 05 20:52:51 hm, I've read about in prototype, but maybe it' for Ajax... Mar 05 20:52:59 there definitely is one Mar 05 20:53:05 i use it for uploads Mar 05 20:53:05 no there is one, as in it works but it doesnt solve the problem, the image is still not available Mar 05 20:53:10 oh Mar 05 20:53:31 do you have subscribe:true? Mar 05 20:53:35 no Mar 05 20:53:40 hhmm Mar 05 20:53:47 cause that would cause onSuccess to get called periodically Mar 05 20:54:00 yes Mar 05 20:54:09 why would itß Mar 05 20:54:21 it might call onSuccess and after it on Complete Mar 05 20:54:22 that is how it is defined, not sure why exactly Mar 05 20:54:52 need onDownloadedGoAheadAndUseTheFileHonistlyItIsThere Mar 05 20:54:53 it might call it peridoically, and it actually does in DownloadMgr Mar 05 20:58:02 halfhalo: : ping Mar 05 20:58:28 nm i figured a way around the problem Mar 05 20:58:43 kinda clugie but it guarantees the file is there before i use it Mar 05 20:59:39 also, if anyone needs to dl and cache files for use i wrote it into a lib so it should be moderately easily usable Mar 05 21:00:15 wawaaaaaa Mar 05 21:00:27 I have two more scenes for my app and then its done Mar 05 21:00:38 but I'm being lazy and not finishing them right now Mar 05 21:00:43 lol Mar 05 21:01:00 all they are is a list and an account screen Mar 05 21:03:54 * halfhalo yells waaaaawaaaaaaaaaaa Mar 05 21:05:57 I am soooo freaking bored Mar 05 21:06:06 but can't stand working on my laptop with eclipse Mar 05 21:11:27 so, what's the deal with the times? Mar 05 21:12:40 ah Mar 05 21:12:58 for some reason, the start time is 2 seconds before the end time with a new event Mar 05 21:13:42 but only occasionally? Mar 05 21:13:52 just that one time Mar 05 21:14:14 weird. should b unpossible Mar 05 21:15:36 yeah Mar 05 21:15:45 I think it was a phone-glitch or something Mar 05 21:16:05 but I tried spamming symbols and it was fine Mar 05 21:17:09 cool. try closing app in entry scene? Mar 05 21:17:27 saved it just fine Mar 05 21:19:22 cool. I'm ready to submit for app catalog update. Mar 05 21:19:31 cool Mar 05 21:21:04 yeah, no text saving issues Mar 05 21:21:31 but putting a lower mileage at the finish trips it out Mar 05 21:21:47 it saves the event but not the start/end mileage Mar 05 21:23:16 hi haeffb_pre did you get your bug fixed? Mar 05 21:24:17 it will not save changes to a text field until the field is blurred. Mar 05 21:24:27 jenp: maybe Mar 05 21:24:37 out of curiosity, does it cost $50 for every update to app catelog apps to or is it just $50 for the listing Mar 05 21:24:51 one time Mar 05 21:24:59 i figured, but i wasnt sure Mar 05 21:25:08 hopefully it works out...is there anyway to trigger the blue if the scen loses focus? Mar 05 21:25:41 dunno Mar 05 21:26:17 Hmm. Mar 05 21:26:28 I just tested it again twice Mar 05 21:26:38 once, it worked fine Mar 05 21:26:42 the other, it didn;t Mar 05 21:27:47 ok, found out why Mar 05 21:28:14 blur is not wanting to kick in if you scroll the scene Mar 05 21:29:00 my sugesstion: Mar 05 21:29:33 only have onchange active for the current field Mar 05 21:31:28 i'm not listening for any propertyChange events now Mar 05 21:31:56 may be that would trigger it. Mar 05 21:31:58 I might change to go that route, tho Mar 05 21:32:11 well, I can still make it loose data if I scroll only then exit Mar 05 21:32:14 hey do you want me to help you do your vid. for submission? Mar 05 21:32:46 right, halfhalo. yes JenP. Mar 05 21:33:00 ok well i'm here when you're home pm me Mar 05 21:33:11 i'll need some instruction, at least. Mar 05 21:33:20 oh, and apparently tapping on the reminder checkbox or drop down menu doesn't trigger onBlur Mar 05 21:33:30 no worries...i'll need to send you some stuff Mar 05 21:33:37 gonna b a busy weekend. hopefully I'll find some time. Mar 05 21:34:04 halfhalo, not good. Mar 05 21:34:08 well send me your update and what a script...what you want to see...and i can at least throw something together Mar 05 21:34:43 gonna have to listen for propChange at least the textfields... Mar 05 21:35:36 ok will do. but looks like I have more work to do yet. Mar 05 21:36:07 smiles...well you know how to reach me...when ever you're ready Mar 05 21:38:45 k thx Mar 05 21:38:51 I _think_ you may have to listen to every keychange Mar 05 21:39:51 that seems ridiculous. Mar 05 21:41:01 yeah, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it will not trigger the field to lose focus otherwise, and propchange won't be kicked off Mar 05 21:49:34 are there any android developers in here that can confirm what i'm reading, that android doesn't have built-in support for ajax requests? Mar 05 21:51:19 oye maik, getting started on android already? Mar 05 21:51:48 anyone know if the hack that allows windows live messenger on the pre ever got finished? Mar 05 21:52:07 no idea Mar 05 21:52:41 maik: i am developing for android... the browser supports ajax, the webview supports ajax, you can get data using http, and you can decode json. i think that means "android supports ajax". Mar 05 21:54:07 quick design question for y'all: let's say I've got a timer going. Does it make more sense to keep the timer going even if the app loses focus, or to pause it when it loses focus? Mar 05 21:54:23 Gelb: ah ok Mar 05 21:54:34 digitalpowers: maybe.... just reading up on it Mar 05 21:54:47 Kuraiou: depends on what you are timing Mar 05 21:55:07 maik: did you get my msn message earlier? Mar 05 21:55:18 yes, i take it you didn't get mine Mar 05 21:55:28 nope Mar 05 21:55:31 i said "sweet" and then "what were you fixing, exactly?" Mar 05 21:56:48 i didnt know exactly when a download was done, onSuccess was being called before the file was available for use, now i got it to callback when the file is available and getImage is working for the main-scene, map-scene, and createteam-scene, flawlessly Mar 05 21:58:52 saweeeeet Mar 05 21:59:19 candy? Mar 05 21:59:25 sweet like candy Mar 05 22:05:01 the timing is for a score tracking app Mar 05 22:05:06 think, like, Magic: the Gathering game Mar 05 22:05:16 it's really just an extra feature, so it's not a big deal either way Mar 05 22:08:47 i would let the timer keep going Mar 05 22:08:57 if the person wants to pause it you can give them a button to pause it Mar 05 22:09:34 or add a checkbox option in preferences for "Pause when app out of focus" Mar 05 22:09:36 or something Mar 05 22:17:10 omg, who made the mojo matters app Mar 05 22:17:23 so much fun in the writing Mar 05 22:17:28 I love when apps don't take themselves too seriously Mar 05 22:26:35 hey, how can i disable a button once it has been clicked? or possibly add a spinner Mar 05 22:31:28 halfhalo: got jpg conversion rolling on the server, huge file size improvement Mar 05 22:32:02 cooo Mar 05 22:32:07 easy, isn't it? Mar 05 22:32:57 very Mar 05 22:33:03 one function, 3 lines of code Mar 05 22:33:21 :p Mar 05 22:33:38 at quality=60, i am hardpressed to find visual differences Mar 05 22:34:18 gah, having trouble with a scroller not working :/ Mar 05 22:34:25 error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'offsetWidth' of null Mar 05 22:41:09 -webkit-box-shadow: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.5) 5px 5px 5px; <-- this should work right? Mar 05 22:41:35 I think..... Mar 05 22:43:17 hhmm Mar 05 22:43:47 def isnt Mar 05 22:46:50 fuuuuck Mar 05 22:46:55 why isn't me list working right Mar 05 22:49:56 whats not working Mar 05 22:50:13 ah, got scrolling working. Mar 05 22:50:22 the list isn't working at all Mar 05 22:50:54 now to figure out a more memory-efficient way to do the timer. (I am going to "pause" the timer when the scene loses focus, but add in the seconds lost when it regains focus). Mar 05 22:51:09 really, the only question is, how do I know when the app is minimized? is deactivate called? Mar 05 22:51:42 oh Mar 05 22:51:44 well then Mar 05 22:51:56 forgot to name a file with a .html at the end Mar 05 22:52:10 #webos Mar 05 22:52:44 hmmm Mar 05 22:52:47 stupid question Mar 05 22:52:52 shoot Mar 05 22:52:58 how do I go from javascript array to json Mar 05 22:53:00 for list Mar 05 22:53:23 iterate through the array, and build your json object Mar 05 22:53:45 though technically an array is a valid json object Mar 05 22:55:01 coo Mar 05 22:55:03 thanks Mar 05 23:12:31 halfhalo: Prototype comes with a JSON generator. Use Object.toJSON() Mar 05 23:12:58 That didn't work for me, since I needed to name the objects Mar 05 23:13:03 but I fixed it Mar 05 23:21:01 name the objects/ Mar 05 23:21:05 ??? Mar 05 23:24:04 anybody asking about image caching: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5500 Mar 05 23:24:10 seems to have broken in 1.4 Mar 05 23:29:49 ssssssso. before I spend another half an hour searching like crazy: is there a way to track when the app is minimized (they press the button)? Mar 05 23:30:32 when i use the webos doctor then reinstall preware my settings are already there Mar 05 23:30:46 di thought the doctor was suppose to erase everything Mar 05 23:38:46 you need to partial or full erase to do that Mar 05 23:41:03 Kuraiou: isn't that deactivate? Mar 05 23:41:19 on the scene? Mar 05 23:41:42 codeslaw: that's what I thought, too, but deactivate doesn't trigger when it's minimized or even when a second app is launched while the first one is up. Mar 05 23:41:50 i see Mar 05 23:42:04 it is possible, the guy does it in Topple Ball Mar 05 23:42:32 i did that first and iy still had my settings for wirc Mar 05 23:43:18 * Kuraiou nods. Mar 05 23:43:37 it's not important, but I'd rather be memory/battery efficient, and having a timeout call every second is not so efficient Mar 05 23:46:02 true Mar 05 23:46:14 getting this error when i pop a scene using set timeout Mar 05 23:46:16 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot set property 'layoutCount' of undefined Mar 05 23:46:35 anyone recognize? Mar 05 23:47:29 layoutCount doesn't exist, or you're using a string when you should be using this.controller.get('layoutCount') Mar 05 23:48:01 bbl, going home soon Mar 05 23:48:56 it's happening when i do setTimeout(this.controller.stageController.popScene.bind(this), 500); Mar 05 23:51:29 are you sure you're supposed to bind the scene assistant to the stage controller? Mar 05 23:52:15 hhmmm good point Mar 05 23:53:37 setTimeout(this.controller.stageController.popScene.bind(this.controller.stageController), 500); Mar 05 23:53:41 no error, but doesnt work Mar 05 23:54:00 i just want to leave the current scene if they cancel the FilePicker Mar 05 23:54:17 it doesnt work if i use the setTimeout or not Mar 05 23:54:48 fixed: do both Mar 05 23:55:56 dont need the set timeout Mar 05 23:56:02 just call popScene twice in a row Mar 05 23:57:04 turns out my timeout wasn't long enough, the popscene call was being absorbed by the filepicker scene Mar 05 23:58:33 peacing out now Mar 06 00:03:15 hmmm Mar 06 00:03:20 time to figure out dynamic resizing of text Mar 06 00:07:24 bah, text-overflow: ellipsis isn't working :( Mar 06 00:09:25 fixed! forgot whitespace: nowrap. Mar 06 00:22:40 frigging eclipse, jesus, stop putting tabs in when I want spaces Mar 06 00:23:10 Komodo > eclipse Mar 06 00:25:49 eclipse > Komodo Mar 06 00:31:07 emacs > * ;-) Mar 06 00:33:11 Komodo = eclipse... Neither are perfect, unfortunately Mar 06 00:33:39 well if we are talking proper code. Komodo == eclipse; Mar 06 00:37:59 I like editors that let you use a mouse. :| Mar 06 00:38:42 technically for javascript it should be Komodo === eclipse; not that i agree i would return false Mar 06 00:39:33 really? Komodo is exactly the same as eclipse? Mar 06 00:39:40 wow Mar 06 00:39:46 what the hell did I miss? Mar 06 00:40:01 http://www.w3schools.com/js/js_comparisons.asp Mar 06 00:40:07 no way, komodo is sooo much nicer eclipse makes me crazy Mar 06 00:40:30 true, my bad Mar 06 00:40:35 hehe Mar 06 00:40:35 on the === vs == Mar 06 00:41:49 foo, no x86_64 of komodo edit Mar 06 00:41:54 for windows Mar 06 00:42:24 and why does that matter Mar 06 00:42:29 it's an editor Mar 06 00:42:40 not a render farm >.> Mar 06 00:44:13 halfhalo: changeOnKeyPress: true. Problem solved! Mar 06 00:44:46 Are there any palm employees here? Mar 06 00:45:57 haeffb_pre Mar 06 00:45:59 nice Mar 06 00:46:20 updated my AssistantBase.js with a minor tweak. Mar 06 00:49:51 Palm pisses me off. Mar 06 00:50:11 why is that Mar 06 00:50:12 February numbers are available again and I'm still being shorted a grand.... Mar 06 00:54:35 http://twitpic.com/16u1h5 <- it's no wonder we weren't prepared for the server load for webOS 1.4 ... Mar 06 01:02:31 so close to going on a rant about webos development of late, especially the lack of communication about 1.4 to us devs. someone talk me down. :) Mar 06 01:03:33 do eeet Mar 06 01:03:58 hehehe Mar 06 01:04:02 I think I'm evil Mar 06 01:04:15 aalllrriigghtht who wants to beta test?! Mar 06 01:04:29 mememe! Mar 06 01:04:32 again Mar 06 01:04:35 O_o Mar 06 01:04:38 word Mar 06 01:04:54 I'm bored waiting for eclipse to install on my desktop Mar 06 01:05:05 wrestling with ridiculous performance issues introduced by ota 1.4 here, no time :) Mar 06 01:05:28 dbalmer: i hear ya Mar 06 01:05:31 does the palm bckup application settings? Mar 06 01:05:37 it seems that way Mar 06 01:05:45 the smilies are a thin mask over intense annoyance :) Mar 06 01:06:19 i don't have a straight answer on that one. afaik it doesn't. Mar 06 01:10:45 one sec halfhalo adding one small fix i just saw Mar 06 01:10:55 lol Mar 06 01:11:00 im not going anywhere Mar 06 01:11:03 or am I? Mar 06 01:11:04 O_o Mar 06 01:14:26 happy coding all, going to stew a bit. possibly with beer involved. Mar 06 01:16:41 did someone say beer? Mar 06 01:17:23 no Mar 06 01:17:25 go away Mar 06 01:17:27 :p Mar 06 01:17:42 * halfhalo steals all the beer Mar 06 01:18:10 okay, I've got komodo edit installed -- time to find the mojo plugin thing Mar 06 01:18:34 I think its still broken Mar 06 01:18:35 google templarian Mar 06 01:19:15 * haeffb_pre reaches for secret beer stash Mar 06 01:19:48 * halfhalo stabs haeffb_pre's hand Mar 06 01:20:11 I'm coding it. meh. Mar 06 01:20:15 ouch Mar 06 01:20:26 :p Mar 06 01:21:03 Got a question for every one. If I have say myObj.prototype.data = {value:0}; Mar 06 01:21:20 Is it possible to create a unique instance of the data property on another object? Mar 06 01:21:45 Or will it always reference the prototype of myObj when I try to access that property? Mar 06 01:22:35 Hmmmmm Mar 06 01:22:44 work on my app, or play L4D2 Mar 06 01:22:48 decisions..... Mar 06 01:22:52 new myObj() ? Mar 06 01:24:01 haeffb_pre: myObj doesn't have a constructor. It is an object literal Mar 06 01:24:27 scottb: you would need to roll your own clone() function Mar 06 01:24:44 otherwise, you'd just be passing around a reference to the same object Mar 06 01:24:55 prototype has a clone Mar 06 01:25:12 Prototypes clone isn't doing it for me. Mar 06 01:27:49 your a clone Mar 06 01:28:22 unless they upgraded it prototypes clone doesn't handle getter and setters if you are using those. Mar 06 01:29:00 (they may have modified prototype most likely) Mar 06 01:31:03 I'm not actually working on the pre. Mar 06 01:31:18 This is a widget creation library for the browser Mar 06 01:31:51 Just google recursive clone function. Mar 06 01:32:09 They are simple to write, but it's been written a dozen time. Mar 06 01:32:22 Templarian: I'm doing a clone Mar 06 01:32:27 Pointers are still remaining Mar 06 01:33:11 Yea it's not recursive. Mar 06 01:33:20 What I do is pass in a data model as an object literal, create a constructor function for the widget which is an anonymous function that is invoked to return a function that clones the data model when you new it, calls the constructor, calls a couple of other methods Mar 06 01:33:36 A simple for(var i in b){a[i] = b[i];} Mar 06 01:33:46 That isn't recursive so pointers remain. Mar 06 01:33:53 I use Class.create() so I don't have any problems like that x.x Mar 06 01:34:05 {value:0} doesn't need a recursive call Mar 06 01:34:43 scottb: and it should not be keeping a link since it is a number. :) Mar 06 01:35:01 I'm having issues with an array to be more exact. Mar 06 01:35:10 And a dom object Mar 06 01:37:04 halfhalo: whats your email again? its ready to roll Mar 06 01:37:26 scottb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/122102/what-is-the-most-efficent-way-to-clone-a-javascript-object Mar 06 01:38:01 anyone else want to beta test somethin real quick? Mar 06 01:38:19 (note those do not work for JS 1.8.x, but fine for web stuff where getters and setters do not exist). Mar 06 01:39:04 ... Mar 06 01:39:09 I'm already cloning the object Mar 06 01:39:17 The pointers remain. Mar 06 01:39:24 heh Mar 06 01:39:36 post your cloning function Mar 06 01:39:59 the palm specialist team finally called me, but since they called with a blocked number and my phone for some reason automatically sent it to voicemail for no reason i didnt get to speak to them Mar 06 01:40:05 then 10minutes later i got their voicemail Mar 06 01:40:34 hey Templarian add scene wasnt working last i tried, did palm change the cmdline tools? Mar 06 01:41:30 codeslaw: PatrickATsilentbluesystems.com Mar 06 01:41:45 kk sec Mar 06 01:42:36 sent Mar 06 01:43:07 now I gotta find my cord Mar 06 01:43:27 indeed Mar 06 01:45:02 dawm: ya I knew about it a long time ago just getting around to fixing stuff. Mar 06 01:45:14 Thanks though. Mar 06 01:45:19 yep, no prob :P Mar 06 01:45:36 http://random.templarian.com/appinfo.html those that haven't seen the new json handler. Mar 06 01:45:54 rwhitby ping Mar 06 01:46:44 templarian: that's pretty cool :P Mar 06 01:46:55 hmmm Mar 06 01:47:01 slight issue with the testing on evdo Mar 06 01:47:12 I don't actually have service here.... Mar 06 01:47:53 aahh i see Mar 06 01:47:57 wireless? Mar 06 01:48:20 testing that now Mar 06 01:48:40 JenP: hi Mar 06 01:49:15 much better Mar 06 01:49:26 a little laggy, but not much you can do about that right now Mar 06 01:49:33 ya Mar 06 01:50:01 hey rod just sent you a video Mar 06 01:50:05 there was a thread addressing the fact that webkit image caching broke in 1.4 Mar 06 01:50:06 let me know if it works Mar 06 01:50:33 JenP: thx, just dealing with Palm turning off all the app download links at the moment Mar 06 01:50:56 omg...well no worries on my part. just wanted to make sure you got it Mar 06 01:52:40 JenP: nice highlighting. how about reminding to be in dev mode at the start? Mar 06 01:52:59 ah totally forgot...kk i'll add that now Mar 06 01:53:12 halfhalo: anything i should address before submitting Mar 06 01:53:15 jenp: around later? Mar 06 01:53:36 yeah i'll be on pretty late trying to catch up on some programs Mar 06 01:54:59 ugh i just spent $300 on a tiny car battery and 600ft of 18gauge wire.. i love and also hate payday :P Mar 06 01:55:51 lol dawm what it for? Mar 06 01:56:22 my drag car. its a neon ;P Mar 06 01:57:16 fun Mar 06 01:57:55 nice, when did twitter start verifying accounts Mar 06 01:58:07 heh Mar 06 02:01:56 dawm: not soon enough, that's when :p Mar 06 02:04:55 codeslaw: need another tester? Mar 06 02:04:56 rwhitby second one on its way Mar 06 02:06:41 haeffb: sure Mar 06 02:06:43 email? Mar 06 02:06:57 haeffb at gmail Mar 06 02:07:00 k sec Mar 06 02:08:22 sent Mar 06 02:08:38 i'm going to go pick up some food, i'll be back in 10 minutes Mar 06 02:20:31 hello Adora Mar 06 02:53:23 I wish I had somebody looking over my shoulder telling me when I do something stoopid. Mar 06 02:53:50 your doing something stupid Mar 06 02:57:31 Is there a way to make a mobile web app for WebOS? Mar 06 02:58:28 uhh Mar 06 02:58:43 isnt that what they all are? Mar 06 02:59:40 eWizardII: do you mean an optimized web portal to a site? Mar 06 02:59:54 in the form of an app? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 06 02:59:57 2010