**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 15 02:59:56 2010 Mar 15 03:00:27 that's pretty much the same as what I've got. The only thing I can think of is that it IS working, it's just being hidden under another layer. Mar 15 03:00:36 whats your setup widget call Mar 15 03:01:07 I posted above Mar 15 03:01:09 But you said it works if you set it to "true"? Mar 15 03:01:09 this.searchSpinnerModel = {spinning: false}; this.controller.setupWidget("searchSpinner", {spinnerSize: 'small'},this.searchSpinnerModel); Mar 15 03:01:21 it does work if I set it to true in the setup Mar 15 03:01:29 So how would it be hidden? Mar 15 03:01:45 Well, i guess that's a stupid question, nvm Mar 15 03:01:46 Well ... I'm not sure Mar 15 03:02:13 try palm-log Mar 15 03:02:24 yeh i dunno either Mar 15 03:02:34 ive got practically the same code to enable/disable the bugger Mar 15 03:02:40 this.spinnerLocationModel.spinning = true; Mar 15 03:02:40 this.controller.modelChanged(this.spinnerLocationModel); Mar 15 03:02:51 oh .. I might know what's causing it ... Mar 15 03:02:54 Your bug isn't with the spinner Mar 15 03:03:03 * Monroe sets up test case Mar 15 03:04:50 woot, dante's inferno divine edition for ps3.. snagged it for $33.91 shipped from EA Mar 15 03:05:02 saved $34.95 Mar 15 03:05:07 good. That ought to distract you from app development :) Mar 15 03:05:11 heh, you went for it? Mar 15 03:05:25 monroe.. is that you? i cant see the nick (lcd is acting funky) Mar 15 03:05:35 hehe yes Mar 15 03:05:59 i came home from work today (4:15pm ish) and went to sleep and woke up around 9pm.. Mar 15 03:06:04 lots of wasted time :P Mar 15 03:06:24 hehe .. I was at my parents for dinner and to watch the NCAA selection show Mar 15 03:06:46 grrr .. no luck Mar 15 03:06:51 but as soon as i woke up, i thought of issues i had to fix/add :P but i still haev the preferences and help scenes to do, otherwise i just need a logo/icon :P Mar 15 03:07:25 dawm: what app? Mar 15 03:07:37 Was it that ringtone app? Mar 15 03:07:43 the ringtone via gps one Mar 15 03:07:50 nice nice Mar 15 03:10:33 Me and dawm are pretty much working on the same app :) Mar 15 03:11:00 who's winning? Mar 15 03:11:10 hehe he's much closer to finished Mar 15 03:11:54 but i think the reason im closer is cause im not working on something monroe is prolly working on, which ill add later on (google map of profile radi) Mar 15 03:13:23 but im off to bed.. Mar 15 03:13:23 well, I'm not showing the radius on the map (yet). At this point, I'm just letting you use the map to mark the point for the profile. Mar 15 03:13:41 i was close :P Mar 15 03:14:35 for some reason i cant grab a gps signal at work (i work at major airport) but google maps picks it up just fine.. Mar 15 03:14:49 ill have to see if their using something other than the mojo gps service Mar 15 03:27:24 I'm off to bed Mar 15 03:27:26 Go Cats! Mar 15 03:28:38 Monroe: which ones? Mar 15 03:29:03 Kentucky Wildcats! Mar 15 03:29:19 Heh Mar 15 03:29:53 Kansas State Wildcats is my local team Mar 15 03:31:34 I see Mar 15 03:32:04 they ended up with a #2 seed? or #3? Mar 15 03:39:50 2 Mar 15 03:48:01 Ok now I really am going to bed. Mar 15 03:48:07 gnight Mar 15 04:52:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Komodo_Macro started documenting how the macros will work. Still a ton to code in in this addon. Hopefully Friday I will have it complete enough to release. Mar 15 05:03:30 howdy folks Mar 15 05:14:42 hello folks Mar 15 05:18:28 Hello. :) Mar 15 06:03:25 Templarian: I'm looking forward to it. Mar 15 06:03:35 Will that fix all the Mac problems Mar 15 06:07:59 Roy-Pre101: hopefully. Mar 15 06:08:14 I recoded how most things are handled everything is asynchronyous now. Mar 15 06:08:33 nice. Mar 15 06:09:09 During a lot of this recode it's making sure that all the functions are ready for macros. Mar 15 06:09:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Komodo_Macro#Editing_.22appinfo.json.22 not sure if you looked at it. Mar 15 06:11:37 Plus I'm going to be adding in the "Install IPK" option so users can simply select an ipk and install it if they want. Mar 15 06:12:43 hi everyone! Mar 15 06:17:01 Hi dr nick! Mar 15 06:21:40 ahahahaha, that's great Mar 15 06:21:50 i'm doing some of that high coding now Mar 15 06:21:51 :D Mar 15 06:23:01 well Mar 15 06:23:08 Messing with SDL? Mar 15 06:23:16 animating in maya, not coding Mar 15 06:23:20 but i WANT to be coding :( Mar 15 06:23:35 Designing stuff for a game or something else? Mar 15 06:24:07 Maya isn't really useful for 3d for games so figure it's something else. Mar 15 06:24:41 for a class Mar 15 06:25:56 finals week = crunch time for projects = long hours at the computer lab finishing an animation Mar 15 06:26:34 Templarian: Mind if I clean up the english on the wiki page? :) Mar 15 06:32:19 Roy-Pre101: go for it just typed it out really quick mostly focusing on the add-on. Mar 15 06:33:21 All better. Mar 15 06:35:26 Hope that helps. Mar 15 06:36:25 Are you still using komodo? Mar 15 06:37:03 * Templarian pokes Roy-Pre101 Mar 15 06:42:39 yes Mar 15 06:45:58 Templarian: I am. Mar 15 07:18:38 re Mar 15 07:27:22 rwhitby: howdy. Mar 15 07:27:28 hye Mar 15 12:24:21 someone need me over the weekend? I left IRC on over the weekend and this channel was flashing LOL Mar 15 15:29:27 * Monroe sees nothing but tumblweeds blowing through #webos Mar 15 15:30:04 * Monroe listens for sounds of activity ... but just hears crickets Mar 15 15:34:35 * Kuraiou closes the door to the yawning chasm of Void that had somehow been left open. Mar 15 15:34:39 Whoops, sorry about that, Monroe. Mar 15 15:35:30 lol Mar 15 15:35:40 #S1t3N2m51$ Mar 15 15:35:47 err disregard Mar 15 15:35:57 That's not the password to every server at my work or anything ... Mar 15 15:42:05 o_o Mar 15 16:11:04 dundunDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN Mar 15 16:26:42 :O Mar 15 16:27:32 :/ Mar 15 16:45:20 So chuqui, any more excitement over the weekend, or is this week looking to be "calmer" ? Mar 15 16:46:40 quiet so far. dealing with email, talking portal futures planning right now... Mar 15 16:50:17 chuqui thank you so much for getting the robots.txt fixed. It's MUCH better now. Mar 15 16:50:50 someone said robots? Mar 15 16:50:56 Where are my robots.... Mar 15 16:52:20 transformers... robots in disguise.... Mar 15 16:53:45 The problem is, that Google isn't indexing the forums yet, the robots.txt isn't blocking it, but they appear not to be following the links, which is "odd" Mar 15 16:54:11 Still, the robots.txt is VASTLY better at developer.palm.com now. Mar 15 16:54:27 true Mar 15 16:54:31 hmmmm Mar 15 16:54:39 There is a starfish gsm phone Mar 15 16:56:04 let me go see what the logs say on spidering. Mar 15 16:56:05 I don't know if I want one for crap and laughter or not..... Mar 15 16:56:08 http://www.pmptoday.com/2010/02/23/who-wants-a-starfish-gsm-cellphone/ Mar 15 16:57:51 chuqui: It's fixed so google is indexing the forum? That's really good news, if so. Mar 15 16:58:10 in theory. Mar 15 16:58:13 I really wish there was a way to get all of the contact's on a users phone Mar 15 16:58:21 I'm seeing the googlebot hitting the site. Mar 15 16:58:56 halfhalo, I bet there is Mar 15 16:59:07 It's just not documented Mar 15 16:59:11 Not using the api's Mar 15 16:59:34 My idea for an app doesn't really work withought the contacts list Mar 15 17:00:53 so there is stuff in the google index: Mar 15 17:00:54 well, you could write it and use it for yourself, and hope that the api will be documented one day so you can release it for all Mar 15 17:00:54 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site:developer.palm.com/distribution Mar 15 17:00:55 It was supposed to grab the contacts list, run through it looking for any entries without an address but with a home phone, and use reverse phone lookup to attempt to grab the data Mar 15 17:01:05 but our SEO sucks. I mean, really, really sucks. Mar 15 17:01:17 thats like, really sucky Mar 15 17:01:50 its.... bad Mar 15 17:02:32 hey, it's a step in the right direction. Mar 15 17:02:46 true, but its a baby step Mar 15 17:03:16 gah, I hate how the dev forums have a set width Mar 15 17:03:39 so do I. Mar 15 17:03:48 I hope to change that down the road. Mar 15 17:04:09 even on my 1440x900 screen its bad Mar 15 17:04:21 I shutter to think what it looks like on my desktop Mar 15 17:06:44 I should really attempt to install Titanium on my laptop to try and attempt my desktop app Mar 15 17:06:54 Chuqui, I am suddenly seeing more posts on google, they're hitting it now. Mar 15 17:07:07 It's possible that the pump needed to be primed. Mar 15 17:07:33 cool! Mar 15 17:07:39 nice Mar 15 17:07:44 But yea, viewtopic.php?f=55&t=1234 is NOT the best URL format for search. Mar 15 17:08:01 (eye roll) what's WRONG with it? (sigh) Mar 15 17:08:19 here's a hint: shh. this is secret. don't tell anyone. we're going to replace those forums. Mar 15 17:08:29 omg really! Mar 15 17:08:35 * halfhalo_T400 wants vb Mar 15 17:08:35 (and then I'm going to take the corpse of those forums out in the parking lot, set them on fire, and dance on its grave...) Mar 15 17:08:37 Halfhalo Mar 15 17:08:39 'palm://com.palm.contacts'; Mar 15 17:08:41 !!! Mar 15 17:08:59 the ONLY good thing to say about those forums is they're more or less better than what we had before. Mar 15 17:09:01 There's your contacts service Mar 15 17:09:06 except where they aren't. Mar 15 17:09:11 hmmm Mar 15 17:09:36 Monroe: I'll test that later. I left my workspace for eclipse at home and am doing a battery drain test on my phone Mar 15 17:09:49 ah Mar 15 17:09:54 and I'm playing with titanium to make a desktop app that ties to the pre Mar 15 17:10:32 I see what's wrong chuqui ... and you're not going to be happy. Mar 15 17:10:34 http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:fTCe7HW3Cm4J:developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D39%26t%3D3017+site:developer.palm.com/distribution/&cd=46&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Mar 15 17:10:47 Because I'm a lazy bastard and want a simple program to list the apps installed on my pre and their versions in a nice, clean, non java way Mar 15 17:11:35 it displays it in java? Mar 15 17:11:48 Titanium is bascally adobe AIR but Open source and has the ability to run native apps Mar 15 17:11:52 Rick_work: lol well, it is almost indexing the forum Mar 15 17:12:03 almost. Mar 15 17:12:10 for java, I'm talking about WOSQI Mar 15 17:12:15 the google bot is logged in though, just doesnt have the right permissions Mar 15 17:12:24 but "You are not authorised to view this forum" isn't all that useful. :-) Mar 15 17:12:30 how dare you not create a googlebot user! Mar 15 17:12:37 or rather, not give it permissions Mar 15 17:13:26 chuqui can you promote the googlebot user? Mar 15 17:13:28 :) Mar 15 17:13:42 just make it an admin, what's the worst that could happen? Mar 15 17:13:51 right......... Mar 15 17:14:03 I would do it for shits and giggles Mar 15 17:14:48 titanium, don't you DARE pull this failed download crap Mar 15 17:14:53 awwawwwwwwwww Mar 15 17:15:04 here' the root of all the evil: http://74.125.95.132/search?hl=en&q=cache:developer.palm.com/distribution/&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&tbo=1 Mar 15 17:15:05 it pulled the failed download crap Mar 15 17:15:31 as of March 7, (the last time it hit the fourms) the googlebot was told that "This board has no forums." Mar 15 17:15:33 :( Mar 15 17:16:53 Man... you guys ever date a girl, think "She's pretty cute, we could have something together." Then after dating for a while you realize "This chick is frickin crazy what am I doing here?" So you dump her and find someone else, not quite as cute but 100 times more intelligent. That's Ares in a nut shell. Mar 15 17:17:13 lol Mar 15 17:17:20 Phil, I have to disagree with you about ares. Mar 15 17:17:28 I could never understand ares when I tried it Mar 15 17:17:31 I just gave up finally Mar 15 17:17:34 back to komodo Mar 15 17:17:57 For me, it's just the opposite, the deeper I get, the more I realize that Ares is just freaking amazing. Mar 15 17:18:10 Rick_work, you have a gift my friend Mar 15 17:18:18 and I am really glad it's working for you Mar 15 17:18:37 maybe after I have a more solid understanding of WebOS it'd make more sense, but for now, it's not happenin' Mar 15 17:18:42 phil_bw halfhalo_T400 would you be willing to take a look at the intro chapter to the ares book I'm working on and see if it makes sense to you? I've tried to do one in english. Mar 15 17:19:03 sure why not Mar 15 17:19:08 pm me an email. Mar 15 17:19:13 Rick_work, I could do that Mar 15 17:19:35 I suspect, that you might have an epiphany. Mar 15 17:20:16 I think my biggest frustration really is the lack of being able to edit UI elements from behind the scenes Mar 15 17:20:26 it felt like having dreamweaver without being able to edit the source directly Mar 15 17:20:57 but you CAN edit ui elements from behind the scenes. Mar 15 17:21:11 that'd be news to me Mar 15 17:22:01 there you go. It turns out that a) there are functions for setting all the UI properties and b) you can edit the HTML too. Mar 15 17:22:33 I'd like to see that book as well. I'm kinda like Rick. I looked a little bit at Ares, but I didn't "get it", so I'm back to my old editor Mar 15 17:22:45 s/Rick/Phil Mar 15 17:23:07 grrrr. Gotta write an article on android Mar 15 17:23:11 this should be fun Mar 15 17:23:17 Monroe pm an email and I'll send you the intro chapter. Mar 15 17:23:21 Rick_work, I'm reading now Mar 15 17:23:27 The cost is, you have to gimme a review of it. Mar 15 17:23:36 yeah, I'm attempting to download it Mar 15 17:23:41 but it keeps timing out. Mar 15 17:23:46 stupid wifi Mar 15 17:24:23 SERIOUSLY THUNDERBIRD ITS NOT THAT BIG Mar 15 17:24:42 Rick ... done Mar 15 17:24:45 4 meg. Mar 15 17:25:07 super crap wifi Mar 15 17:25:21 lots of screenshots. or it would be smaller. Mar 15 17:25:27 It will not allow more than like 4 connections through at the same time Mar 15 17:25:46 dammit wheres my phone Mar 15 17:26:44 http://www.vocshop.com/boatright/AiA_Chap3.doc Mar 15 17:26:48 try that halfhalo_T400 Mar 15 17:27:26 ok, that worked Mar 15 17:27:33 and I downloaded it on my phone for screenshots Mar 15 17:27:50 hey Mar 15 17:27:54 hey Mar 15 17:27:58 HEY THERE! Mar 15 17:28:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prgm4eKq6d4 Mar 15 17:29:05 lol \ Mar 15 17:29:10 whats everyone up 2 Mar 15 17:29:10 ^^ that video is awesome for hey's Mar 15 17:29:20 the usual Mar 15 17:29:26 planning mass terror and crime Mar 15 17:29:37 indeed Mar 15 17:29:47 im almost ready to take over my bank with my PRE Mar 15 17:29:48 lol Mar 15 17:30:01 psha Mar 15 17:30:05 I'm old school Mar 15 17:30:20 * Monroe sends screenshot to FBI & CIA ... Mar 15 17:30:22 :) Mar 15 17:30:30 crowbar + mask + rope + diabolical plan + extremely large hand gun Mar 15 17:31:43 * atlanta slaps Monroe with a large trout Mar 15 17:31:47 :-) Mar 15 17:32:03 hehe Mar 15 17:32:13 no, no , no, thats not how you do it. you do this: Mar 15 17:32:29 * halfhalo_T400 stabs Monroe with a large steak knife Mar 15 17:32:57 phil_bw what'cha think? Mar 15 17:33:08 Rick_work, just finishing reading it Mar 15 17:34:42 Thanks Rick. I'll give it a read tonight Mar 15 17:35:20 I'm off to lunch Mar 15 17:35:29 Rick_work, that's really quite informative Mar 15 17:35:40 yeah Mar 15 17:35:52 thanks. The sidebar on this.$ is the most important thing in the chapter. Mar 15 17:35:58 even with my brief skim over (In class), it looks good Mar 15 17:35:58 and is the KEY to ares apps. Mar 15 17:36:35 the only real change I would make is where you give steps to make them more list style instead of sentence style Mar 15 17:36:45 I know it's for a book, when learning it's just easier to grasp Mar 15 17:36:52 publisher wants me to make it MORE narrative. Mar 15 17:37:02 I see Mar 15 17:37:22 anyway, more to come on customizing look and feel etc. Mar 15 17:37:34 but this.$ is super super important. Mar 15 17:37:42 can be be marrative with little "example summaries" in blocks next to the text? Mar 15 17:37:51 perhaps Mar 15 17:37:55 yeah I was gathering that Mar 15 17:39:22 now if there were *good* documentation Mar 15 17:39:35 tht's what I'm trying to write. Mar 15 17:39:40 the two programming languages I've used most in the past 5 years are HB++ and php Mar 15 17:40:05 both of which have incredibly useful documentation with examples and lots of cross-linking between articles Mar 15 17:41:15 HB++ used the windows help file (good old chm file) and it made development very very fast. If you needed to know how to use a particular function just hit F1, click index, type it in and you have everything you'd ever want to know Mar 15 17:43:40 Rick_work: Howdy Mar 15 17:51:03 what we reading Mar 15 17:51:03 ? Mar 15 17:55:25 Alligator Wrestling (An Intro) Mar 15 17:56:20 er wait, an intro to using Ares Mar 15 18:10:09 anyone know how to use mojo.stagecontroller.sendeventtocommanders? Mar 15 18:10:24 i'm trying to send a drag event through a list to an element below it Mar 15 18:24:33 Rick_work: You want feedback on the chapter? Mar 15 18:39:15 ok this is driving me crazy.. how do you add a button to a header? I just want back and forward arrows Mar 15 18:41:54 hi Mar 15 18:41:59 hello Mar 15 18:43:26 hi halfhalo Mar 15 18:45:14 i've got a general question regarding xml parsing, is there any way to view the data in a way similar to the print_r function for php? Mar 15 18:45:34 Nope Mar 15 18:45:50 closest think is to to Mojo.log(transport.responseText) Mar 15 18:45:55 thing* Mar 15 18:46:47 oh ok, yeah i've seen that in the sample data app. i guess i'll have to look further into that thanks. Mar 15 18:48:26 anyone know where i can find guidelines for making icons? Mar 15 18:48:54 No idea Mar 15 18:50:22 quick q: are the UAs for Pre and Pre Plus the same? Mar 15 18:50:42 UAs? Mar 15 18:50:56 user-agents Mar 15 18:51:14 Methinks so. Mar 15 18:52:11 anybody have a Plus willing to check :) I only have a vanilla Pre here. Mar 15 18:52:50 0.243s (1024k) myvzw.com Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.4.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/532.2 Pre/1.1 Mar 15 18:53:07 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1836&Itemid=52&limitstart=6, under "Prepare For Delivery", in case anyone was wondering :) Mar 15 18:53:25 Compared to: Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.4.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/532.2 Pre/1.0 for sprint Mar 15 18:53:51 halfhalo_T400_: thanks. looks like Pre/1.0 = vanilla, Pre/1.1 = Plus Mar 15 18:54:07 yeah Mar 15 18:54:28 wonder what the pixi has.... Mar 15 18:55:02 most likely: Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.3.5.1; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.27.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/525.27.1 Pixi/1.1 Mar 15 18:55:18 That looks like the pixi plus Mar 15 18:55:36 looks like wurfl has the model's wrong for the Pluses http://db.wurflpro.com/device/results?user_agent=webOS&identifier=&uaprof=&brand=&model= Mar 15 18:57:31 lol Mar 15 18:59:55 Roy-Pre101 yes, recognizing that it's an early draft Mar 15 19:00:32 Surely. Where do you want the feedback sent? Mar 15 19:00:43 gmail is fine. Mar 15 19:00:48 razzeldazzle Mar 15 19:09:26 Woot, bout time palm got a decent ad out there Mar 15 19:09:39 http://www.precentral.net/new-palm-ad-live-moves-fast Mar 15 19:13:25 I swear to god I'm am going to cut this guys foot off Mar 15 19:13:55 why Mar 15 19:14:18 he's stomping in rythm to a song Mar 15 19:16:49 I really should go open source with my apps as well Mar 15 19:19:47 cool commercial Mar 15 19:22:04 dpivs, are you a master of the xml parse? cause i need some help in that regard Mar 15 19:22:35 what is with all these people and xml parsing today? Mar 15 19:22:45 sorry bigbiff i'm just starting out. Mar 15 19:22:48 ahh Mar 15 19:23:02 it's a big xmlparse craze sweeping the nation, or maybe just precentral. Mar 15 19:23:13 stupid precentral Mar 15 19:23:15 no, it's sweeping the nation Mar 15 19:23:26 everybody's doing it Mar 15 19:23:51 so, its like crack Mar 15 19:23:57 I would rather do crack Mar 15 19:24:00 yes, but not as healthy Mar 15 19:24:27 you sure about that? Mar 15 19:24:32 no Mar 15 19:24:35 xml parsing makes ye crazy! Mar 15 19:24:51 and yet one of my apps is based off of xml feends Mar 15 19:24:56 hmm .. slacking off at work last week to work on my app is biting me in the ass today Mar 15 19:24:58 feeds Mar 15 19:25:01 i just want someone to plug a link into the data xml parse sample, and see if they get any results Mar 15 19:25:20 well, what are you trying to do with xml Mar 15 19:25:39 just grab some data from a usgs site (xml) Mar 15 19:25:49 easy to do on my browser Mar 15 19:25:50 link to xml? Mar 15 19:25:57 wont work on my app Mar 15 19:26:01 or the sample app Mar 15 19:26:10 yes Mar 15 19:27:16 what xml link are you trying to parse exactly Mar 15 19:27:57 http://waterservices.usgs.gov/WOF/InstantaneousValues?location=06306300&variable=00060&period=PT4H Mar 15 19:28:02 take a gander Mar 15 19:28:14 that's just one example Mar 15 19:28:21 i cant get any data to pop up Mar 15 19:28:29 what are you trying to get from this Mar 15 19:28:31 what values Mar 15 19:28:44 anything, specifically the //value Mar 15 19:28:54 or any attributes Mar 15 19:28:56 or anthing Mar 15 19:28:59 and how are you trying to get the values Mar 15 19:29:34 xpath, responseText, DOM, just like in the sample Mar 15 19:30:28 i have it set on my browser for responseXML, but for some reason that's no good in webos? Mar 15 19:30:56 it works Mar 15 19:31:13 :( ? Mar 15 19:31:22 give me a sec Mar 15 19:31:27 trying to pull up an example Mar 15 19:32:15 ahh i c, u mean responseXML works Mar 15 19:32:31 transport.responseXML.documentElement.getElementsByTagName('value')[0].childNodes[0].nodeValue; will get you the first value Mar 15 19:32:52 whoo, that's a mouthful. Mar 15 19:32:55 heh Mar 15 19:33:00 yeah Mar 15 19:33:21 so why does the app sample say not to use responseXML? is it a processing issue? Mar 15 19:33:38 to get all the values, just do a loop using transport.responseXML.documentElement.getElementsByTagName('value').length as the upper limit Mar 15 19:33:49 link to app sample? Mar 15 19:33:58 Im sorta doing this off of a public computer Mar 15 19:34:19 oh, eck, i just pulled it from the sdk Mar 15 19:34:53 can you put where it says that on pastie Mar 15 19:35:19 http://pastie.org/867565 Mar 15 19:35:27 http://pastie.org/867552 Mar 15 19:35:40 that's the html and js files separately Mar 15 19:36:23 halo, if you get this to work i'll give you a dollar Mar 15 19:37:04 I don't know why they don't want you to responseXML, unless it was broken in early versions Mar 15 19:37:40 but in SteamFriends I use responseXML for all my calls Mar 15 19:38:25 with responseXML, there is no DOM parser ? Mar 15 19:38:33 no Mar 15 19:38:46 yeah, the samples in the API are old Mar 15 19:38:55 their still using console.info Mar 15 19:39:06 ya, i spose it makes it tougher to create an array, unless you loop like you suggested Mar 15 19:39:07 yes Mar 15 19:39:26 well, a loop is relatively easy Mar 15 19:40:42 cool, i'll give the response xml a shot - halo i appreciate your help. make my beginner work easier Mar 15 19:40:52 http://pastie.org/870858 Mar 15 19:41:03 I think that will work Mar 15 19:41:29 cool, i'll try Mar 15 19:41:45 however, that does NOT get the dateTime Mar 15 19:41:50 only the actual value Mar 15 19:42:33 sure, the attribute would have to be a separate line Mar 15 19:43:20 in other words, no need for xpathing now Mar 15 19:43:45 cool - halo thanks again, i'm gonna give it a shot Mar 15 19:44:10 hold on Mar 15 19:51:40 is there a way to manually "backup" application data through novaterm? Mar 15 19:51:51 halfhalo: in that pastie, it looks like you're using an array as a hash? Mar 15 19:51:52 will that work? Mar 15 19:52:04 yeah Mar 15 19:52:06 thanks to Sprint, i have to factory reset my device. i want to backup my application data Mar 15 19:52:18 not the applications, per se, but their saved data Mar 15 19:52:20 huh, thought [] was only for number keys... Mar 15 19:52:21 it also comes out BEAUTIFULLY when going to .evalJSON Mar 15 19:52:34 and that you should use {} for hash. Mar 15 19:52:36 well I first make it an array outside the loop Mar 15 19:52:50 then for each entry made it an array Mar 15 19:53:12 what I'm saying is that there's a difference between an array and an object. Mar 15 19:53:26 I didn't realize that Javascript automatically converted an array into an object when using string keys. Mar 15 19:53:45 which is, as far as I can tell, what it's doing, if that works (talking about the arr[i] = []; arr[i]['date'] = blahblahblah bit) Mar 15 19:53:52 anybody know where on the filesystem applications store their saved data? Mar 15 19:54:23 why do metadata updates take so long!? Mar 15 19:54:23 s Mar 15 19:56:06 Kuraiou: There's really no difference between arrays and objects. The only difference is the methods you get if you're descended from Array. AFAIK. Rick_work: Care to weigh in? Mar 15 19:56:21 Kuraiou: Well, arrays ARE objects. With associative arrays your just skipping the whole "array" part Mar 15 20:07:55 hi, are there any tools for examining app logs in windows other than call palm-log from commandline? Mar 15 20:08:07 as of right now? Mar 15 20:08:08