**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 16 02:59:56 2010 Mar 16 03:00:28 ron_frown: exactly my point is alsa+pulseaudio with gst+ffmpeg = truly something different, unique, and powerful. In time I'm sure Palm will find a way to harness all of that. Mar 16 03:01:21 I guess my poijnt is Mar 16 03:01:38 they want game developers... but what kinda miracles are they going to have to have before people want to start buildign apps for it Mar 16 03:01:51 ron_frown: that's what the PDK is for. Mar 16 03:03:59 well given I havent written c++ on linux and the like Mar 16 03:04:15 ron_frown: C is just fine, and "C on linux" is no different from C anywhere else. Mar 16 03:04:15 but I dont quite get how I'd play audio in pdk outside that framework bits they give Mar 16 03:04:24 not exactly Mar 16 03:04:31 Well, I know how _i'd_ do it, no idea how Palm expects you to do it. Mar 16 03:04:34 windows and vs.net is double click and run =) Mar 16 03:04:46 vs.net.... ok, I'm done with this conversation. Mar 16 03:04:57 ron_frown: windows phone 7 series comes out soon Mar 16 03:06:14 yeah Mar 16 03:06:18 I am not sold on the os itself at all Mar 16 03:06:25 windows phone 7 series = meh. http://www.wmexperts.com/wp7s-apps-no-sideloading-virtually-no-background-multitasking Mar 16 03:06:25 I have a zune with that style ui and its messy Mar 16 03:06:28 not intuitive Mar 16 03:06:41 gee whiz big surprise there Mar 16 03:06:45 worked out great for apple Mar 16 03:23:12 ok. mugen battery worth it Mar 16 03:31:00 zsoc looks like it supports sdl Mar 16 03:31:07 which means I could probably easily do what I want Mar 16 03:31:54 ron_frown: ? of course it supports sdl... it has since 1.3.5 Mar 16 03:37:20 how is that Mar 16 03:37:20 h Mar 16 03:37:32 how did you use sdl to play sounds in the regular sdk Mar 16 03:50:44 ron_frown: you didn't, we're from different sides of webos i suppose Mar 16 03:53:59 oh you mean the private pdk? Mar 16 03:54:05 we webos internals? Mar 16 03:58:55 ron_frown: like I said, I really don't belong here lol, not the place. This channel is for chatting about official Palm stuff :) Mar 16 03:59:23 np, sounded like you were beating around the bush didnt know what you meant Mar 16 04:00:22 That reminds me, I need to prune the roses. Mar 16 04:00:37 don't we all Mar 16 04:37:08 yo Mar 16 04:37:47 what font is the one the lockscreen clock uses on the pre? Mar 16 04:37:56 is it coconut-boldd? Mar 16 05:00:30 Yes, guys my brother finally got done calculating the server costs for running a JS MMO with a custom binary manager. For 10 packets a second with constant use for 1month can sustain 130 players (one way). Details: http://pastebin.com/yrAdWEJz Mar 16 05:08:21 Templarian: Should figure out how to kill off the extra header info. Mar 16 05:08:40 Roy-Pre101: That is the minimum amount you can have. Mar 16 05:08:43 lol. Mar 16 05:08:46 Mmm.. Mar 16 05:08:58 Roy-Pre101: To hold a polling connection you must define a content length. Mar 16 05:09:37 too bad that the js sockets aren't well implemented. Mar 16 05:11:20 I'm talking about with a normal browser. Mar 16 05:11:26 Not webOS stuff. Mar 16 05:11:43 So it's just http requests rewritten in binary. Mar 16 05:13:17 I know... but not all browsers support js sockets, I believe. Mar 16 05:13:23 so for pdk+js interactivity do you guys just get the pdk bits goign Mar 16 05:13:31 then have something to test them via main() Mar 16 05:13:41 then convert that over to just handle via the other methods Mar 16 05:14:00 ron_frown: I know what you mean and I still didn't follow that well. :P Mar 16 05:14:25 testign Mar 16 05:14:35 I want to test some changes Mar 16 05:14:53 pdk stuff will run inside of windows or mac natively Mar 16 05:14:58 Roy-Pre101: no production browser supports sockets. Mar 16 05:14:59 but you really cant simulate the js interactions there Mar 16 05:15:36 That's correct, ron_frown. Mar 16 05:15:52 You'll just have to simulate it, as you say, or test on the device. Mar 16 05:15:58 hope my c++ isnt as rusty as I think it is Mar 16 05:16:03 Roy-Pre101: yeah Mar 16 05:16:12 I just hate testing on the device as its more or less useless Mar 16 05:16:19 can the simulator run pdk bits yet? Mar 16 05:55:21 ron_frown: No. Mar 16 06:53:28 I guess you dont REALLY need to Mar 16 06:56:30 ron_frown: what does your binary bit do? cause we regularly test widk stuff on the emulator. Mar 16 06:57:49 sound stuff Mar 16 06:58:53 just processing samples, for output by the existing media framework, or replacing the media framework? Mar 16 06:59:15 I want to take samples and play them Mar 16 06:59:19 because html5 audio is crap =) Mar 16 06:59:24 for what I am trying to do anywya Mar 16 07:02:14 done anything wiht it? Mar 16 07:05:47 I think someone has gotten audio to work in the emulator on a previous webOS version. Mar 16 07:05:53 dunno about 1.4 Mar 16 07:06:12 wav Mar 16 07:06:14 should still work (for pcm and wav) Mar 16 07:06:17 and I've gotten that done myself Mar 16 07:06:28 havent done crap for SDL/pdk Mar 16 07:08:06 ron_frown: lemketron is the man to ask about what you can and can't do with the emulator Mar 16 07:08:21 and it has all the SDL libs in place Mar 16 07:08:27 cool Mar 16 07:08:33 i presume the pdl libs too Mar 16 07:10:22 well I wont need to test that in the emulator Mar 16 07:10:22 the Mar 16 07:10:32 theoretically I should be able to just build and run natively in windows Mar 16 07:10:46 that's the idea Mar 16 07:10:52 (or Mac) Mar 16 07:22:52 lemketron: Howdy. Mar 16 07:23:06 hey Mar 16 07:32:12 Whee... crashed Firefox while closing Ares. Mar 16 07:32:12 I hear you know what you can do and not in the emu Mar 16 07:33:41 morning Mar 16 07:34:09 ping Adora Mar 16 07:37:07 ron_frown: perhaps... what do you need to know? Mar 16 07:38:37 not a huge deal Mar 16 07:38:41 pdk stuff Mar 16 07:38:46 right now no workin in emu right? Mar 16 07:38:55 and if it did work, does the emu suppord sdl sound? Mar 16 07:39:14 good question. wasn't tested, because the emulator isn't a supported pdk target. Mar 16 07:39:36 but that's not to say it (sdl sound) doesn't or can't work Mar 16 07:40:09 best bet is to try it, but I'll also see what I can find out on my end... Mar 16 07:40:36 probably the biggest issue is the fact that (by default) sound isn't enabled in the emulator, but Roy can probably tell you how to fix that. :-) Mar 16 07:41:01 make pew-pew-pew noises while loading the simulator? Mar 16 07:41:36 (but currently only wav and pcm work... I'm still trying to get someone to fix mp3 at which point I'll turn it all on for real) Mar 16 07:43:46 hey lemketron Mar 16 07:44:09 ? Mar 16 07:44:15 any news on those lunasysmgr crashes? :) Mar 16 07:44:50 guess you didn't hear about them? lunasysmgr crashes from time to time when you try to power on Mar 16 07:45:33 power on -> nothing happens .. try again, try again, try again -> finally you get the screenlock only to have luna restarting a few seconds later Mar 16 07:46:02 swisstomcat: There are lots of nice crashes in 1.4 Mar 16 07:46:37 also missed phone calls and alarms :( Mar 16 07:47:52 lemketron: I'v already done that Mar 16 07:47:54 for the plain ol sdk Mar 16 07:48:09 but html5 audio in regular sdk is pretyt much useless outside a 1 time play or streaming audio Mar 16 07:49:07 ron: so have you tried sdl audio code in the emulator? Mar 16 07:50:54 another question regarding html5 audio: i have several users with no sound in my app because of an apparently missing audio.js. Those users also can't preview (prehear) ringtones, so it seems to be a general problem Mar 16 07:51:10 lemketron: uhh no Mar 16 07:51:19 sometimes the screenlock dies and the gradient disappears and all that is left is the lock icon Mar 16 07:51:27 basically my approach has been this Mar 16 07:51:40 my app needs sound... really only 1-2 sounds playing at a time Mar 16 07:51:47 but doing that reliably in mojo seems Mar 16 07:51:50 not possible? =) Mar 16 07:51:53 not in 1.4 anyway? Mar 16 07:51:54 i thought that i'm using the 1.4 audio object, but when i remove audio.js, my app doesn't work anymore (no sound) Mar 16 07:53:21 uhh 1.4 release notes I believe state that should be the case Mar 16 07:53:26 its deprecated Mar 16 07:53:35 say to use some utils class to set the type Mar 16 07:53:38 (media) Mar 16 07:53:46 (what he said) Mar 16 07:54:44 no need to set the audio class if you just have basic sounds e.g not media? Mar 16 07:55:20 or did i misread that? Mar 16 07:55:24 lemketron: are you a palm guy? Mar 16 07:55:37 swisstomcat: I dont recall seeing anything that went into any sort of detail whatsoever regarding that Mar 16 07:55:47 ron: who wants to know? Mar 16 07:56:07 I am cool not knowing ;-) Mar 16 07:56:26 just want to know if I am not the only one having these damn problems... kinda hard ot build games without sound that people will want Mar 16 07:56:39 I can load/unload sounds into new Audio()'s each and every time Mar 16 07:56:44 but seems like waste Mar 16 07:57:05 check out the forums at http://developer.palm.com/ Mar 16 07:57:16 any hints on that problem, pal..eh lemketron :) Mar 16 07:57:17 ron_frown: Sound isn't so good right now and there's no good solution yet. Mar 16 07:57:31 swisstomcat: There's a post about the missing audio.js Mar 16 07:57:31 I'm an emulator/tools guy, not so much audio or javascript... Mar 16 07:57:32 lemketron: I did, and posted, and somone else chimed in with same problem Mar 16 07:57:36 nobody seems to have an asnwer Mar 16 07:57:41 yeah, I think there are some, uh, issues... :-( Mar 16 07:57:42 Apparently some upgrades missed it. They can doctor and it'll come back, I believe. Mar 16 07:57:51 I think I could build a pdk plugin thats just a sdl proxy Mar 16 07:57:52 yeah, i've seen that posts Mar 16 07:57:52 oh, is this that problem? Mar 16 07:58:00 yeah Mar 16 07:58:12 people who ota from way old versions to 1.4... Mar 16 07:58:13 people do an OTA upgrade to 1.4 and audio.js is missing Mar 16 07:58:16 swisstomcat: Moving to the new method fixes it, too. Mar 16 07:58:24 but audio.js is supposed to go away Mar 16 07:58:31 ah... right. ok, that's not a "you must use the new api" thing then. yet. Mar 16 07:58:38 Roy-Pre101: not so much =) Mar 16 07:58:42 which makes apps break and also ringtone preview not working Mar 16 07:58:56 I believe that will be fixed in a future release but the only solution I know of currently is to doctor the device to 1.4. Mar 16 07:58:58 BUT if i remove audio.js, i get no sound Mar 16 07:59:02 I suspect when/if 1.4.1 comes out it'll fix that. Mar 16 07:59:11 anyway I am considering building a pdk plugin that will let me play("path") and if its not preloaded load it, otherwise play Mar 16 07:59:27 that might not be a bad way to go. Mar 16 07:59:27 and then in kill, unload sounds and die Mar 16 07:59:30 ron_frown: You and every other developer. :) Mar 16 07:59:40 havent seen any source saying its happened Mar 16 07:59:56 Still, that won't be fixed until some unspecified future version allows us to run PDK programs. Mar 16 08:00:05 And, we may have improved native audio by then. Mar 16 08:00:09 lemketron: i thought i was using the new audio api, but if i remove audio.js i have no sound anymore Mar 16 08:00:09 Then again, we may not. Mar 16 08:00:16 Palm just doesn't want to talk about sound. Mar 16 08:00:20 Or canvas. Mar 16 08:00:25 ouch Mar 16 08:00:29 oh, don't get me started on canvas Mar 16 08:00:46 like I said tho Mar 16 08:00:51 I've filed numerous canvas bugs in our system for you guys, and some of them have even been fixed and shipped. Mar 16 08:00:54 at least the keyboard works consistently Mar 16 08:01:04 nothing like dropping 529 on a nexus one and the keyboard is completely horked Mar 16 08:01:07 and a common prob Mar 16 08:01:07 ask codeslaw how happy he is about not hearing anything about future canvas improvments Mar 16 08:01:32 ask other mobile os vendors about their future plans... Mar 16 08:01:36 none,nada,zilch Mar 16 08:01:51 not even a "we're working on it" or "no plans" Mar 16 08:02:21 tell me what you need, or what's broken. code (or sample app even) that demonstrates the problem makes it more likely to get fixed if it's a bug. Mar 16 08:02:43 if it's missing functionality then explain why you need it, preferably on the dev forum. Mar 16 08:02:45 the issue is that it's no bug, lemketron Mar 16 08:02:46 the data functions would be nice. Mar 16 08:03:11 the threads about missing functionality are already on the dev forum, for weeks Mar 16 08:03:15 without answers Mar 16 08:03:21 Now that Ben Combee is on board, you have yet another resource to help collect these issues and get them filed and fixed. He's also the primary developer relations support guy for PDK questions. Mar 16 08:03:31 pre-populating html5 database would be freaking nice Mar 16 08:03:33 like saving canvas data Mar 16 08:03:47 Ben has been very responsive on the PDK forum, it seems Mar 16 08:03:51 I realize thats beceause you cant do that on regular html5 Mar 16 08:03:59 shall we raise this issues to ben directly? Mar 16 08:04:34 I can't speak for him but you can certainly interact with him on the forum, and perhaps even PM him there if you need to discuss something offline Mar 16 08:04:35 I believe the problems with translations and rotations together still isn't fixed in Canvas. Mar 16 08:05:02 s/isn't/aren't/ Mar 16 08:05:19 it's not against you, lemketron .. i'm sure you engineers are swamped over your heads Mar 16 08:05:25 he has more time to pursue this stuff than I do. I was previously trying to reproduce stuff that was easy and/or broken, and file bugs to get them fixed, particularly when we were working on a beta so we could ideally get a few more fixes in before a given release. Mar 16 08:05:29 and i applaud that you come out here to speak on this channel Mar 16 08:05:38 but I'm also trying to add/fix stuff in the emulator that people have been asking for Mar 16 08:05:48 which must explain why I'm still in the office at 1am. Mar 16 08:05:55 Ugh, go home. Mar 16 08:06:15 i wish i could help palm Mar 16 08:06:18 We can't have Mrs. Lemketron killing you. Mar 16 08:06:23 hey, as long as there's still coffee in the pot =] Mar 16 08:06:29 Adora: Hey there. Mar 16 08:06:40 adora: did you just wake up? Mar 16 08:06:44 Adora!!!!! Mar 16 08:06:48 wake up? lolz Mar 16 08:06:50 where's the coffee? Mar 16 08:06:51 still here Mar 16 08:07:02 I'll be catching up from GDC all week Mar 16 08:07:09 i need to talk to you :) Mar 16 08:07:26 catch her tomorrow at the meetup Mar 16 08:07:30 yeah, i figured that i should probably not bug you too much before and during GDC Mar 16 08:07:39 lemketron: There's a canvas test app in the app catalog that has some display issues. That's a good thing to check out. Mar 16 08:07:49 shall i fly to san francisco quickly? :) Mar 16 08:07:56 you published a test app to demonstrate the bug? lol Mar 16 08:08:01 only an 10 hours flight Mar 16 08:08:04 Not my app. Someone else did. Mar 16 08:08:07 swisstomcat: works for me! Mar 16 08:08:10 meet you for lunch? Mar 16 08:08:23 But the app exhibits several canvas missing features/bugs. Mar 16 08:08:26 do we have a date? :P Mar 16 08:08:39 Adora: I don't think he can physically be there before lunch. Mar 16 08:08:45 if you can get here by tomorrow at noon, then yes, we have a date Mar 16 08:08:48 sure, he has an hour to spare Mar 16 08:08:57 I'll even wear a dress Mar 16 08:08:58 * swisstomcat races to the airport Mar 16 08:09:02 lol Mar 16 08:09:39 hope i can rent a tux at SFO Mar 16 08:10:04 hmmm. I hope it doesn't take long to catch a plane. It will take you a good half hour to get here from SFO Mar 16 08:10:19 * rwhitby wishes he could be there Mar 16 08:10:26 Shortest flight I see is 17:4. Mar 16 08:10:26 you'll never make it Mar 16 08:10:34 40 Mar 16 08:10:45 dang, there goes my chance to have a date with adora :( Mar 16 08:10:51 =[ Mar 16 08:11:03 Oh, there's a 16:30... Mar 16 08:11:15 does the concorde still fly? Mar 16 08:11:22 maybe dinner instead of lunch, before the meetup Mar 16 08:11:28 Good news: You can get back in only 14:05 Mar 16 08:11:57 lemketron: speaking of rushing to make the meetup Mar 16 08:12:04 think you'll be able to go? Mar 16 08:13:18 I might... gotta work the kid handoff (softball practice) issues. Mrs. Lemketron (heh) asked me earlier "What's this meetup thing on the calendar?" Mar 16 08:16:25 lemketron: obviously you cant disclose or quote times, but do you forsee a bugfix relatively soon? Mar 16 08:17:18 heh. nice try. bugs are getting fixed, but that's about all I can say at this point. (I like my job.) Mar 16 08:17:30 I wasnt asking you anything like that Mar 16 08:17:46 I just dont know if I should put this project on hold or what Mar 16 08:17:51 seeing as I cant play sounds reliably Mar 16 08:17:51 i can be at SFO at 2pm .. but the flight is really expensive Mar 16 08:18:00 best bet is to get hooked in to the developer pre-release (beta) program. Mar 16 08:18:17 recommendations on how I'd go about doing that? Mar 16 08:18:24 I thought I WAS in that Mar 16 08:18:39 did you get betas of 1.4 ? Mar 16 08:18:41 ron_frown: Honestly, if sound is your major selling point you had best put it on hold for now. Mar 16 08:19:23 I don't have any insider information, just there's no way we can know. Mar 16 08:19:39 if you did, then I would think you'll hear about whatever comes next. if you did not, then check with Chuq (or maybe Adora) Mar 16 08:20:13 no but to be honest this was just setup Mar 16 08:20:25 actually was supposed to be in early access for stuff by somone at palm Mar 16 08:20:35 I can always follow up with that person Mar 16 08:20:41 that sounds like the thing to do Mar 16 08:21:08 then you'll at least get an idea when something new is brewing and whether it's a .1 or something greater. :-) Mar 16 08:21:52 and if/when that happens, it would be great if everyone with outstanding issues could check and post (in the private beta forum) when things are still broken or (worse) newly broken. Mar 16 08:21:58 ok Mar 16 08:22:08 we DO watch there, in hopes of making each new release fix MORE stuff and break LESS. Mar 16 08:22:15 haha Mar 16 08:22:42 1.4 was difficult since it picked up a whole new version of webkit, but we did four beta drops to developers in the early access program Mar 16 08:23:01 and I lost a lot of sleep combing the forums for bug reports and filing them internally. Mar 16 08:23:16 though obviously we didn't (collectively) find and fix everything. :-( Mar 16 08:26:28 Still, an amazing effort on 1.4, I think. Mar 16 08:26:44 is there a way to apply for pre-release in the event this person isnt going to get me there? Mar 16 08:27:03 Sure, find chuq here or on the dev forum. Mar 16 08:27:30 yeah, chuq is the right person to talk to Mar 16 08:27:53 danke Mar 16 08:30:50 that's how i got into the early access program Mar 16 08:32:01 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573 Mar 16 08:33:39 thanks for digging up the link. :-) Mar 16 08:35:00 haha Mar 16 08:35:08 I dont have an app in the catalog because I cant get the sound to work properly =) Mar 16 08:36:42 i have an app in the catalog and i get bad reviews :( Mar 16 08:36:49 over 30k downloads Mar 16 08:37:19 what is it? Mar 16 08:37:36 Moo Mar 16 08:38:34 hrmm Mar 16 08:38:47 if I could get something like that even working I'd be satisfied Mar 16 08:39:37 how did you fix your sound prob? Mar 16 08:40:36 wow Mar 16 08:40:55 searching for moo in the appstore and your app was the only one with that as the title and it was like 20 records in Mar 16 08:41:04 I can help you tune your searches palm ;-) Mar 16 08:41:22 really? Mar 16 08:41:28 i only get 3 results here Mar 16 08:41:31 from phone yes Mar 16 08:41:35 all sorts of random ass shit Mar 16 08:41:52 lunar attack vampires baby bump, hebew calendar Mar 16 08:41:54 etc etc etc Mar 16 08:42:24 oof. Looks like it's doing partial word match Mar 16 08:42:37 Hearts matches on "moon" (I'm assuming) Mar 16 08:42:46 even then I would expect a higher score for a direct match in title Mar 16 08:42:48 thats what I am saying Mar 16 08:42:49 that sucks Mar 16 08:42:54 * ron_frown is the sql guru Mar 16 08:43:06 haha nice app Mar 16 08:43:15 so you just create new audio before wakign the animals up then Mar 16 08:43:18 same prob I have I bet Mar 16 08:43:21 does the sound work for you? Mar 16 08:43:27 yeah, the app search in the App Catalog is way broken Mar 16 08:43:29 "The cow goes..." Mar 16 08:43:37 MOOOOO Mar 16 08:43:43 it should prefer title over description. Mar 16 08:43:50 geez, now I have to file another bug. I'm never gonna get outta here. Mar 16 08:43:51 yes, it should Mar 16 08:44:00 sorry =) Mar 16 08:44:03 heh. Mar 16 08:44:10 "prefer" might be tough given that there's sort order buttons at the bottom Mar 16 08:44:14 i have yet another bug for you, if you're on it lemketron Mar 16 08:44:24 It should already be filed. I brought it up with Chuq two months ago Mar 16 08:44:46 if I am searching I would expect relevancy sort Mar 16 08:44:48 We had a thread on app catalog changes. Mar 16 08:44:56 But... It may never have gotten filed. Mar 16 08:45:24 i asked several people here to use "report a problem" in the app catalog while viewing my app Mar 16 08:45:41 Should do: app title matches first, then full-word matches, then partial word matches. Mar 16 08:46:02 they appear as 0 star reviews!!!!! Mar 16 08:46:47 the description of "report a problem" states "report a problem with this app to palm" Mar 16 08:47:08 obviously it's not going to palm or me :( and i have no chance to contact the person that reported it Mar 16 08:47:10 BIG BUG Mar 16 08:47:44 and i get even more 0 star reviews :( Mar 16 08:48:04 I do wish we had a lot more flexibility in communicating with out customers. A developer comment at the top of reviews would be nice. Mar 16 08:49:45 ron: filed as NOV-95679. Mar 16 08:50:01 the person is nice enough to report a problem instead of giving a bad review -> bang, bad review and no possibility to contact Mar 16 08:50:26 care to report his too, lemketron .. i'll send you some swiss chocolate Mar 16 08:52:57 haha Mar 16 08:53:07 my wife would probably draw first blood for some swiss chocolate Mar 16 08:54:34 are you in the US Too, ron_frown? Mar 16 08:54:52 yessir! Mar 16 08:55:08 i could send to chocolates then and you'd pass one on to lemketron Mar 16 08:55:11 two Mar 16 08:55:13 go usa! Mar 16 08:56:06 swisstomcat: are you from switzerland? Mar 16 08:56:29 swisstomcat: filed as NOV-95680 Mar 16 08:57:16 I saw a few reports of averages not getting calculated properly but it looks like they were closed with no mention of the "report a problem" bug so I filed a new one against that specifically. Mar 16 08:57:30 jlazaroff: yep Mar 16 08:57:43 lemketron: send me your mail address Mar 16 08:58:56 and thanks Mar 16 08:59:50 swisstomcat: which app is yours? Mar 16 09:04:33 jlazarof: Moo Mar 16 09:06:30 jlazaroff: I know, I know... It's hard to find in the App Catalog app. :-/ Mar 16 09:07:21 at least this bug explains why it was also hard to find Palm's own facebook app. I should add that to the bug, in fact. Mar 16 09:07:29 hehe Mar 16 09:07:45 kudos on the facebook app tho .. good job Mar 16 09:08:16 here in europe it's not as a big problem to find moo, since there are only 3 free apps with moo in the name/description Mar 16 09:09:29 ew, who gave your app a 0-star rating saying "this is a test report, please disregard"? Mar 16 09:09:57 that's the testing i was talking about Mar 16 09:10:13 i asked people in here to test "report a problem" Mar 16 09:10:20 yesterday Mar 16 09:10:24 only to wake up and find those 0 star reviews Mar 16 09:10:33 ....... Mar 16 09:10:56 swisstomcat: Heh, ask them to revise them. Mar 16 09:11:07 wow Mar 16 09:11:15 roy-pre101: yeah, good idea .. turn them into 5 star Mar 16 09:11:27 i'll give you a 5-star rating to compensate :) Mar 16 09:11:43 "This is the best mooing cow program with googly eyes named moo in the app catalog" Mar 16 09:12:29 you've got the market cornered! Mar 16 09:12:52 hehe Mar 16 09:13:18 it even has 14 other animals Mar 16 09:17:20 Twitter is dead at this hour Mar 16 09:17:24 Adora: You still around? Mar 16 09:17:34 yyyyyyyyyyyyyep Mar 16 09:18:00 how long does it take for a metadata change to go through? I want to add a video to my app. Mar 16 09:18:38 not long, usually Mar 16 09:18:45 we're behind Mar 16 09:18:51 I guess I should go ahead and do it. Mar 16 09:18:59 I was hoping to update my app, too. But I'm lazy. Mar 16 09:19:01 mostly because of me =P Mar 16 09:19:07 Off playing games! Mar 16 09:19:27 psh, that was just a few hours Mar 16 09:19:46 mostly talking, talking, wiping fingerprints off phones, talking some more Mar 16 09:19:59 Dealing with all the babbling fans? Mar 16 09:20:11 something like that =] Mar 16 09:21:54 hehe Mar 16 09:22:52 * swisstomcat starts to purr Mar 16 09:25:43 as long as you talk to developers we are happy :) Mar 16 09:31:05 anyone notice what happens if you tap on the spot where a video would be if you had one but don't ? Mar 16 09:31:15 dang, I forgot to file that one too. Mar 16 09:32:04 in the video player? Mar 16 09:32:11 in the app catalog app Mar 16 09:32:55 lemme check Mar 16 09:37:18 there's another strange thing i noticed in the app catalog app Mar 16 09:37:49 it loads all the screenshots visibly before it starts cycling through them Mar 16 09:38:12 especially visible on 3G ... first picture .. empty for a few seconds .. second picture .. etc. Mar 16 09:39:09 before it starts cycling through the screenshots Mar 16 09:39:40 * swisstomcat thinks we should start a bug bounty Mar 16 09:41:41 i'm trying to find an app that actually has a video preview Mar 16 09:48:59 Ah, hot chai makes my throat feel better. Mar 16 10:17:53 hallo noaXess Mar 16 10:18:03 hey swisstomcat.. wasup? Mar 16 10:18:16 workin' Mar 16 10:18:21 as usual :) Mar 16 10:18:28 yes Mar 16 10:20:01 OMFG LEMKETRON GO HOME Mar 16 10:21:08 OMFG! Mar 16 10:21:26 I was just telling swisstomcat to let him go home Mar 16 10:21:44 hehe Mar 16 10:21:47 I finally found hooked up with the vbox guys and (wouldn't you know) they're in germany... Mar 16 10:21:55 what about your adora, night-owl? Mar 16 10:22:08 I just don't know any better Mar 16 10:22:11 that's my excuse Mar 16 10:22:28 heh Mar 16 10:22:28 hehe Mar 16 10:22:31 time for lunch Mar 16 10:22:34 Some folks have been bugging us about the fact that we don't work in vbox 3.1. 3.0 works fine for me, but I aim to please... Mar 16 10:22:38 go home, adora und lemketron Mar 16 10:23:05 i saw a detailed post to get the emulator working in 3.1 Mar 16 10:23:06 in the forums Mar 16 10:24:02 Oh? Mar 16 10:24:11 swisstomcat: und? :) Mar 16 10:27:45 there's more to it than that... but we're working on it Mar 16 10:30:11 Hopefully those virtualbox guys were able to help. Mar 16 10:57:45 ok, I'm going home Mar 16 10:57:53 I ain't done, but I'm going home =] Mar 16 10:58:00 Good idea. Mar 16 10:58:38 OmniFocus really helps get things down in one place Mar 16 10:58:46 an app would be hot, though Mar 16 10:59:07 totally. Mar 16 10:59:24 I may try to hack the protocol Things uses to create a pirate client Mar 16 10:59:36 I bet it's just some kind of ajax. Mar 16 10:59:40 oooh, nice Mar 16 10:59:58 or join the RTFM project at launchpad... Mar 16 11:00:10 lemketron: GO HOME! Mar 16 11:00:20 :) Mar 16 11:00:59 yeah yeah... just tested out the last fix for 3.1 support and suspend/resume. people with slow windows machines (hope that's not redundant) might like this. Mar 16 11:01:13 heh Mar 16 11:01:26 cool deal. got a link for that project? Mar 16 11:01:42 lemketron++; Mar 16 11:01:50 https://launchpad.net/cowtasks Mar 16 11:02:48 if you use google calendar, check this out too: http://www.rememberthemilk.com/services/googlecalendar/sidebar/ Mar 16 11:03:10 Mmm... I'll check it out... I kinda like having my tasks local to my Mac, but it could be nice to share. Mar 16 11:03:34 (I thought you meant RTM, but RTFM sounded a lot more imperative) Mar 16 11:03:37 I'm liking RTFM. For the first time ever, I think my wife and I can share grocery lists, updated and synced to each of our Pres and accessible from any computer at home via Google Calendar (which we already use to manage our shared calendars) Mar 16 11:04:12 My wife and I have been using a shared evernote page for groceries. Not sure how well it's working. Mar 16 11:04:33 it's "rtfm beta" on the beta catalog. RTM cancelled their api key when it was called RTM. :-/ Mar 16 11:04:57 Ah. Mar 16 11:05:51 Mm, this recording of a lama chanting is really good. Mar 16 11:05:55 rehi Mar 16 11:06:01 what did i miss? Mar 16 11:15:20 hi everyone! Mar 16 11:15:37 hey Mar 16 11:15:56 how are you all doing? Mar 16 11:22:22 tired. sick. you? Mar 16 11:24:18 Lou Reed is encouraging me to take a walk on the wild side. Mar 16 11:36:48 i'm tired as well Mar 16 11:36:57 second consecutive all nighter -_- Mar 16 11:56:03 where can I find an example of building a list with those neat headers with the collapse arrow-button? Mar 16 11:56:54 oh, there seems to be one in stylematters Mar 16 12:14:08 go to bed, adora .. seriously :) Mar 16 12:14:32 I just gotta review some apps Mar 16 12:14:35 soon, soon... Mar 16 12:15:03 :) Mar 16 12:15:12 can i get a 5 star review too? Mar 16 12:15:57 it's like 5:15 in sunnyvale .. yikes Mar 16 12:16:23 don't you need any beauty-sleep? ;) Mar 16 12:19:49 anyone here who can help me with sendeventtocommander? Mar 16 12:21:01 never used it Mar 16 12:22:21 argh Mar 16 12:22:35 i have an element under a list that needs to receive drag events Mar 16 12:26:22 ciao darkmagister Mar 16 12:28:54 ciao :D Mar 16 13:12:24 anyone know how i might send an event through one element to another...? Mar 16 13:54:01 yay Tuesday! Mar 16 13:58:46 yay Mar 16 13:58:58 Tuesday = LOST! Mar 16 14:04:14 tuesday!=monday Mar 16 14:04:25 Monroe: Oh yeah! Mar 16 14:10:00 Monroe: it's also 2X Tuesdays at Hungry Howies pizza... I've turned Tuesday into "Pizza and Lost night" Mar 16 14:10:22 OMG!!! Mar 16 14:10:33 Did you just say Hungry Howies?!?!?! Mar 16 14:10:40 rehi ron_frown Mar 16 14:10:52 Monroe: naw, you must have misheard me. :-p Mar 16 14:11:28 Monroe: of course I said Hungry Howies.... garlic + butter crust = heaven. Mar 16 14:11:38 * swisstomcat feels left out Mar 16 14:12:15 Dont' feel left out swiss, as I too am not able to partake in Hungry Howie's goodness Mar 16 14:12:17 i only know pizza hut O:-) Mar 16 14:12:50 where's this hungry man? Mar 16 14:13:14 There used to be a hungry howie's down the street from my apt. in college. My roomate and I would eat the crap out of some Hungry Howies! But alas, it was the only one in town and it closed ... :( Mar 16 14:13:22 We still talk about it from time to time Mar 16 14:14:33 never heard of it Mar 16 14:14:37 west coast? Mar 16 14:14:55 hungry howies is some good stuff... it's also cool cause a little ceasers opened up across from them, so now hungry howies has dropped their large pizza's to $5 to compete. Mar 16 14:15:07 jeez, $5 for a large. Mar 16 14:15:12 well, I'm in AZ... not sure where else they are. Mar 16 14:15:38 AZ is west coast :) Mar 16 14:15:40 as far as i remember Mar 16 14:16:04 swisstomcat: well, i'd argue that we're severely lacking any "coast" Mar 16 14:16:18 true Mar 16 14:16:42 i liked AZ tho .. has everything .. from the hot desert to the snowy mountains Mar 16 14:16:49 a coast would be cool too Mar 16 14:17:07 Tibfib, EvanDotPro: Answers tonight, or more questions? Mar 16 14:18:23 Evan: I'm in Louisville, KY ... no more hungry howies here :( Mar 16 14:18:31 Monroe: questions, of course. Mar 16 14:18:37 I think they are all over the south, but I guess we are too far north Mar 16 14:19:03 * Monroe is disappointed that Sayid joined the dark side Mar 16 14:19:15 * swisstomcat feels left out again :) Mar 16 14:19:16 dark side? Mar 16 14:19:26 no tv, no lost, no nothing Mar 16 14:19:48 swisstomcat: but you have internet, which means you have Hulu, which means you have lost. Mar 16 14:19:54 yes Mar 16 14:20:13 Netflix also has all 5 seasons available to watch instantly Mar 16 14:20:22 oh Mar 16 14:20:34 what is this internet thing? Mar 16 14:20:43 Watch at your own risk. It's highly addictive Mar 16 14:20:53 I watched the first 3 seasons in about 2 weeks Mar 16 14:21:05 i just have this device that plugs into my laptop Mar 16 14:21:09 is that the internet? Mar 16 14:21:27 it says option usb umts something Mar 16 14:22:04 No swiss, you'll know it's the internet if it says "56K" on it ... Mar 16 14:23:10 ah, the other thing i have .. hayes serial modem 33k Mar 16 14:23:12 Monroe: my girlfriend and I did the same thing, we got hooked and I instantly lost (no pun intended) about a month of productivity. Mar 16 14:23:43 Note that Hulu videos are only available to users located in the United States. :( Mar 16 14:23:55 yeah .. we started watching out of boredom one summer night ... boom hooked! Mar 16 14:24:02 swisstomcat: ouch Mar 16 14:24:15 Monroe: same watched 5 seasons in a month or so over last season Mar 16 14:24:23 summer* Mar 16 14:24:55 isn't lost from the guy who did cloverfield? that was awesome Mar 16 14:25:00 Monroe: More questions. Mar 16 14:25:05 yeah Tibfib, In anticipation of this season, I rewatched all 5 seasons last fall Mar 16 14:25:20 heh nice Mar 16 14:25:23 .. There's always BitTorrent Mar 16 14:25:47 * EvanDotPro gasps Mar 16 14:25:49 I watched em via netflix Mar 16 14:25:51 but that would be _immoral_ Mar 16 14:25:51 over 56k? ;) Mar 16 14:25:54 shame on you! Mar 16 14:26:08 Tib .. netflix here as well Mar 16 14:26:22 Swiss, cloverfield was a different guy I think Mar 16 14:26:25 Too bad i don't have netflix anymore. Mar 16 14:26:34 Hulu all the way. I can stand three 20 second commercials during a 50 minute show, no problem. Mar 16 14:26:48 errr Mar 16 14:27:00 no you are right ... Cloverfield WAS JJ Abrams Mar 16 14:27:22 same as startrek, the new movie Mar 16 14:27:24 EvanDotPro: yeah but they don't have every episode Mar 16 14:28:09 Tibfib: they don't? I watched the whole thing from season 1 on Hulu.. Mar 16 14:29:35 i'll be sorely disappointed if i missed a chunk of episodes or something.... Mar 16 14:29:41 hehe Mar 16 14:29:46 no kidding that would suck! Mar 16 14:29:52 whoa Mar 16 14:29:55 maybe they do! Mar 16 14:30:20 Tibfib: "Availability Notes:All of Seasons 1-5 will be available for streaming through December 31, 2010." Mar 16 14:30:25 That's awesome! every other show only has the current season Mar 16 14:30:51 (it seems) Mar 16 14:30:59 yeah LOST is also one of the few shows where they are available for streaming on netflix as soon as the dvd's are released Mar 16 14:31:31 Tibfib: not every show... all of Carl Segan's Cosmos is up on Hulu... and that old show Sliders... and all the PBS Nova's. Mar 16 14:31:44 Okay, every show i care about... :P Mar 16 14:39:21 Cosmos and Nova! Mar 16 14:53:48 i made the mistake of doing a metadata update on an app yesterday (changed support email address) Mar 16 14:55:34 don't really understand why/how they take so long for approval Mar 16 14:56:28 the misteria off palms releasecycles ;) Mar 16 14:56:48 * apoh had the same promblem Mar 16 14:57:05 yeah, i'd say my average wait time for a metadata update to go through is longer than to get an actual app update approved Mar 16 14:57:10 hey kmudrick Mar 16 14:57:22 remember that "report a problem" test yesterday? Mar 16 14:57:23 swisstomcat: hey Mar 16 14:57:27 swisstomcat: yep Mar 16 14:57:37 guess ,what .. i have 2 new 0 star reviews :( Mar 16 14:57:48 well that sucks Mar 16 14:58:25 swisstomcat: you'll just have to write better apps to offset all these 0 stars... Mar 16 14:58:35 "this is a test report. this is not a real bug. please disregard" and "foo bar baz" Mar 16 14:58:55 anonymous and 0 stars Mar 16 14:59:13 but i think who i have to chase down to get revenge for those reviews :) Mar 16 14:59:29 Chuq. Mar 16 14:59:37 haeffb: hehe ... although it's not funny that this bug is still there Mar 16 14:59:55 that seriously sucks Mar 16 15:00:00 yes, it does Mar 16 15:00:20 sometimes it also happend that ur app crashes after a webos update Mar 16 15:00:24 lemketron filed a bug today .. at like 2am in the morning .. man, was he busy entering bugs Mar 16 15:00:24 sucks too Mar 16 15:00:48 an then u get one week 0 stars Mar 16 15:00:51 woooooow. It just now got filed? Mar 16 15:00:52 great Mar 16 15:01:47 guess i have to bug chuq to keep tracking it Mar 16 15:02:10 it seriously hurts reviews and it hampers helping the customers that have problems Mar 16 15:02:21 Chuq will remove the reviews if you email him Mar 16 15:02:30 "report a problem" states "report a problem with this application to palm" Mar 16 15:02:35 which it clearly doesn't Mar 16 15:03:08 what's the bug? Mar 16 15:03:37 it reports it in the sense that chuq will eventually see it when he removes 0 star reviews... Mar 16 15:03:40 if you use "report a problem" in the app catalog menu, it creates a 0 star anonymous review of your app Mar 16 15:03:48 vond: "report a problem" in the app catalog gives the app a zero star review Mar 16 15:04:04 oh? Mar 16 15:04:08 ...maybe that's been the process this whole time Mar 16 15:04:11 now i know where those 18% 0-star reviews come from Mar 16 15:04:25 it was reported weeks ago but nothing happened Mar 16 15:04:27 I'm pretty sure it has Mar 16 15:04:40 yeah Mar 16 15:05:06 But no one realized it till recently (or so it seems) Mar 16 15:05:24 man.. Mar 16 15:05:34 also what about the 1.4 issue w/ the accelerometer and freezes Mar 16 15:06:00 Hasn't been fixed (at least not publicly) Mar 16 15:06:08 i think josh is having issues w/ his topple ball Mar 16 15:06:17 At least palm fixed the other review bug. Mar 16 15:06:25 Brought my rating up half a start Mar 16 15:06:28 star* Mar 16 15:06:33 has anyone notice less downloads of their apps recently? Mar 16 15:07:10 yeah, here too .. up to 3.7 to 3.2 Mar 16 15:08:13 Gosh i need to get a paid app out Mar 16 15:08:35 TibFib: Me too Mar 16 15:09:07 Tired of seeing no money from my toils Mar 16 15:09:39 is anyone making good money? Mar 16 15:10:33 vond: define "good" - ive made more than the app submission cost, so that's a plus.. Mar 16 15:10:37 still working on getting a paid app out Mar 16 15:10:47 lol... Mar 16 15:10:58 good means like $1K+ on an app Mar 16 15:12:10 Self aware games is apparently doing pretty well Mar 16 15:12:54 vond: only been 3 weeks for me, but yeah not really close to $1k Mar 16 15:12:54 self aware games? Mar 16 15:13:08 some people are doing really well, but in two months I've barely broke $100, and that's not including the $50 I spent. Mar 16 15:13:09 the wordace people Mar 16 15:13:12 ah. Mar 16 15:13:17 oh Mar 16 15:13:35 it's insane Mar 16 15:13:40 we have several paid app Mar 16 15:13:48 there's on that has about 700 d/l Mar 16 15:13:57 we released a free game Mar 16 15:14:05 found it http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/03/15/app-watch-seeing-success-on-the-palm-pre/?mod=rss_WSJBlog&mod= Mar 16 15:14:05 an in 5 days there's about 5000 d/l Mar 16 15:14:20 50k a month in revenue Mar 16 15:14:21 yeah Mar 16 15:14:21 700 d/l for the paid app was from dec-now Mar 16 15:14:27 free = <3 Mar 16 15:14:38 ads are hte way to go Mar 16 15:14:42 no one pays for apps Mar 16 15:15:15 how much do you make off ads? Mar 16 15:15:27 I don't have any ad-supported apps :O Mar 16 15:15:40 i heard admob pays 2 cents a click Mar 16 15:15:42 But the radiotime dev apparently gets 1k+ a day from ads Mar 16 15:15:54 If you get enough impressions they will pay per view Mar 16 15:16:23 i dont think most niche apps can ever pull something off like that Mar 16 15:16:38 yeah, and I write niiiiche apps. Mar 16 15:16:42 heh. Mar 16 15:17:38 I guess for niche apps, paid is the way to go Mar 16 15:18:12 I'm sure the Bubbles! (free) people are making a decent amount off ads Mar 16 15:18:19 how much does it cost to sign up for admob? or implement it? Mar 16 15:18:27 adora is still here? :O Mar 16 15:18:34 guess I could just look it up myself... Mar 16 15:18:41 i don't like apps with ads Mar 16 15:18:58 i'd pay if i only could Mar 16 15:19:11 my free app has 30k downloads tho Mar 16 15:20:06 yeah. even at a cent per app that's still 300 bucks. Mar 16 15:20:24 but free apps get more downloads Mar 16 15:20:29 Kuraiou: assuming you got 100% Mar 16 15:20:37 guess i have to offer in-app purchases Mar 16 15:20:49 I'm not a big fan of ads either, but for the developer, they are the best way to make money. The reason is simple. With a paid app, you get money from the user 1 time (when they purchase it). With ads, you get money from the user over and over and over again. Over time, ads are more lucrative Mar 16 15:21:08 Evan: no, that's assuming that it averages to a cent per app :) Mar 16 15:21:17 kind of like calculating ARPU for MMO players Mar 16 15:21:18 i've never clicked on an ad in an app Mar 16 15:21:34 Kuraiou: oohh durr lol Mar 16 15:21:34 me neither swiss Mar 16 15:21:47 me neither. Mar 16 15:21:48 i could offer my app for free and then have people pay for animal packs in it :) Mar 16 15:22:03 I think microtransactions are the best way to make money online, honestly Mar 16 15:22:04 how do the ad networks make money then? Mar 16 15:22:12 but it's hard to come up with a good, not evil way to do them Mar 16 15:22:32 yeah, offer paid content Mar 16 15:22:35 hmmm ... you guys are giving me a grand idea ... Mar 16 15:22:42 oh no Mar 16 15:23:13 selfaware games is making most of the 50k/month via in-app purchases Mar 16 15:23:16 i'm tempted to make a client app to my free ringtone site... can the download manager service download mp3's that can be used as ringtones? Mar 16 15:23:30 freecaddie pro costs 1000% of my app and has twice as many downloads as my app. Mar 16 15:23:34 i've never paid for ringtones Mar 16 15:23:47 :( Mar 16 15:23:50 what's your app, kuraiou? Mar 16 15:24:03 swisstomcat: i wouldn't charge for the app, nor the ringtones. Mar 16 15:24:18 oh, i see Mar 16 15:24:22 well, after the next release, it's going to be something to help golfers Mar 16 15:24:22 hah Mar 16 15:24:31 I wrote a golf gps app. I didn't release it cause there are already 2 others in the catalog (They are about $10 each). They hook into an existing course database (from some blackberry app site) so they have 9000 courses ready to go. My app uses my own course mapping system. Mar 16 15:24:35 I need to see the actual market makeup of people who own the pre and pixi x.x Mar 16 15:24:46 Monroe: suck Mar 16 15:24:50 swiss: Dice Roller Mar 16 15:24:51 I could release my app for free, and have users pay a nominal fee to download courses Mar 16 15:24:55 new version should be coming up soon actually Mar 16 15:24:56 i can sell you that data, kuraiou :) Mar 16 15:25:09 swisstomcat: just the web interface of my site brings in more money from adsense than i make at my day job... why be greedy and charge? :) Mar 16 15:25:13 from my in-app statistics Mar 16 15:25:30 evandotpro: wow Mar 16 15:25:44 you either don't earn much per day or you have many visitors Mar 16 15:26:43 swisstomcat: lol, well i'm only 20 years old and a bought my own house 2 years ago, so it's not the first one. Mar 16 15:26:59 jeeeez. Mar 16 15:27:03 * Kuraiou is jealous now :O Mar 16 15:27:20 kuraiou ... doh! Mar 16 15:27:28 Kuraiou: don't be... stupid house is worth like half what it was when i got it lol... talk about bad timing. Mar 16 15:27:53 * swisstomcat is jealous too Mar 16 15:27:55 wait Mar 16 15:27:56 if you're 20 Mar 16 15:28:04 how do you have 6 years of experience, 5 of them industry? O-o Mar 16 15:28:06 what website is that, evandotpro? Mar 16 15:28:22 some people have their own company with 13 Mar 16 15:28:23 Kuraiou: internship at 14, hired part time 3 months later. Mar 16 15:28:36 me too! (how do you do status updates?) Mar 16 15:28:37 evandotpro must be a business wizard Mar 16 15:28:56 i'm impressed Mar 16 15:29:00 props to you Mar 16 15:29:06 What did you do to intern? Coding? Mar 16 15:29:08 Kuraiou: see Glynlyon, Inc and subsidiary companies on there. Mar 16 15:29:32 this is definitely an impressive as hell resume. Mar 16 15:29:43 I would suggest you put experience in there chronologically, though Mar 16 15:29:50 reverse* Mar 16 15:30:09 Kuraiou: yeah, it gets confusing though cause they overlap and stuff... and Glynlyon is tha parent company of AOP, Odysseyware, etc. Mar 16 15:30:17 ahhh Mar 16 15:30:19 I see Mar 16 15:30:53 Tibfib: originally i was on the "creative" team, we build educational Flash games and stuff like that, so lots of actionscript, but then when I started writing database-driven back-ends and stuff for the flash that they never even thought of being able to do, they changed my title lol. Mar 16 15:31:19 Hah, niceeeeeee! Mar 16 15:31:37 So, I'm just curious, how did it happen? Did you apply? Mar 16 15:31:50 young people rule :) Mar 16 15:31:59 i kinda lucked out, cause the stuff i was doing wasn't _that_ impressive, but they were so far in the stone age with their software that every little thing i did was super impressive to them. Mar 16 15:32:00 Just asking cuz I'm 15 Mar 16 15:33:15 how much do you make on adsense? Mar 16 15:33:18 per click? Mar 16 15:33:29 Tibfib: well, I went to a highschool that had no school on Friday's and my parents were scared I'd get into trouble being home every Friday. My mom personal trained the CEO of the company and asked if I could hang out there with the software guys on Fridays since she knew i was into programming. Mar 16 15:33:37 tibfib is 15? Mar 16 15:33:53 Yep Mar 16 15:33:55 i feel like i'm interviewing for something, lol. Mar 16 15:34:03 vond: it depends on the advertiser. Mar 16 15:34:04 I'll be sixteen in a few weeks Mar 16 15:34:11 you look older on your avatar, tibfib :) Mar 16 15:34:14 oh? Mar 16 15:34:17 * swisstomcat suddenly feels very old Mar 16 15:34:21 hahah Mar 16 15:34:23 but on avg is it pennies per click? Mar 16 15:34:27 like 1-3 cents? Mar 16 15:34:33 vond: let me check Mar 16 15:34:39 no, usually % of a penny Mar 16 15:34:51 geez Mar 16 15:34:54 how do you make money then? Mar 16 15:34:57 tibfib: props for starting early Mar 16 15:35:02 that's nothing.... Mar 16 15:35:18 5000 clicks only brings in 50 dollars Mar 16 15:35:18 yeah, but do the math, vond. Mar 16 15:35:25 and there's no way anyone clicks anything 50 times Mar 16 15:35:27 5000 times Mar 16 15:35:28 that's assuming 10% Mar 16 15:35:29 over and over.. Mar 16 15:35:36 sdl Mar 16 15:35:36 and I'm just guessing, honestly Mar 16 15:35:39 well..... Mar 16 15:35:39 but assume you have 30k people Mar 16 15:35:40 check this out Mar 16 15:35:43 we got a free game Mar 16 15:35:43 and average 2 clicks per user Mar 16 15:35:48 that's 60,000 clicks Mar 16 15:35:54 and we have a more button that launches our website Mar 16 15:36:01 there's been 5000 d/ls for that app Mar 16 15:36:14 but google analytics show only about 300 clicks Mar 16 15:36:21 vond, i have 8,700+ clicks since march 9th. Mar 16 15:36:54 really? Mar 16 15:36:57 what app you have? Mar 16 15:37:10 vond: well if i'm reading the adsense report right lol.. it's kinda confusing. Mar 16 15:37:28 what app is yours, EvanDotPro? Mar 16 15:37:32 vond: i'll PM it.. don't wanna be spammy. :) Mar 16 15:37:40 k Mar 16 15:37:51 EvanDotPro: im curious too Mar 16 15:38:01 I think we all want to know :) Mar 16 15:38:05 we can find by searching, anyways Mar 16 15:38:11 WE'RE THE INTERNET. Mar 16 15:38:17 it's on my resume :-p Mar 16 15:38:27 and where's the resume? Mar 16 15:38:36 i missed the posting of your resume Mar 16 15:38:37 swisstomcat: see my nick :) Mar 16 15:39:16 hmm? Mar 16 15:39:27 c'mon, guys, gooooogle Mar 16 15:39:31 by the way, this is not a pre app... yet... vond just made me realize you guys might think i'm referring to an app.. it's just a web site right now. Mar 16 15:39:59 yeah.,. if only we can get as many clicks for the apps Mar 16 15:40:01 (hence my message earlier: i'm tempted to make a client app to my free ringtone site... can the download manager service download mp3's that can be used as ringtones?) Mar 16 15:40:07 the ads come up small Mar 16 15:40:22 and folks dont' want to click , since pulling up a website on a phone isn't optimal Mar 16 15:40:24 heyas JenP Mar 16 15:40:32 hi all Mar 16 15:40:35 vond: yeah, i've tried hard to make the ads non intrusive... one of the things i think i have on a lot of the other sites. Mar 16 15:41:07 vond: google keeps sending me notices that if i switch to the big square ads it'll increase my revenue by 55%, but i keep telling myself not to be greedy. Mar 16 15:41:18 since i never started the site to make money in the first place. Mar 16 15:41:25 ah Mar 16 15:41:42 hey jenp Mar 16 15:42:01 shoot EvanDotPro, nice resume Mar 16 15:42:18 hi swisstomcat Mar 16 15:42:35 Tibfib: thanks... the html on it might be a little butchered since i had to restore it from a google cache lol. Mar 16 15:43:23 vond: i'm about 30% through a big new update that's going to add a bunch of stuff like an API (not sure if i'll make it public or not), multiple ringtone options per song (different parts), and the ability to upload and crop from your own music. Mar 16 15:43:58 cool! Mar 16 15:46:00 tonzr is pretty cool, that radio lookup and download lab is impressive Mar 16 15:47:02 Tibfib: yeah, i forget why i even built that lol Mar 16 15:47:29 You should make that into a pre app Mar 16 15:47:45 just make it a little easier to use Mar 16 15:47:56 Although it is already pretty simple Mar 16 15:47:58 Tibfib: it's been on my to-do list since i got my Pre, day one. Mar 16 15:49:04 Alright done creeping on your resume. Mar 16 15:49:33 back to apps Mar 16 15:49:42 hell, i was even so excited about it, i wrote pretty much the first mojo tutorial on Webos-Internals like over a month before the SDK or any docs were even out. Mar 16 15:50:11 (oh, i also run the SMS/MMS service that powers tonzr) Mar 16 15:51:54 i better get back to work, lol. Mar 16 15:52:58 right, later! Mar 16 15:53:02 heyas jtrucks, funkatron, pandora Mar 16 15:53:13 cu Mar 16 15:54:11 Kuraiou: howdy! Mar 16 15:55:17 heyo Mar 16 15:56:07 anyone hear anything about an msn messenger client for the pre Mar 16 15:56:12 hey hey everyone :) Mar 16 15:56:15 dang Mar 16 15:56:17 i'm finally back at work Mar 16 15:56:20 Deilhmos .. I wish Mar 16 15:56:21 *ahhhh* feels good Mar 16 15:56:29 it can play the mms ringtone tonzr sent, but it can't actually set it as the ringtone Mar 16 15:57:11 deihmos: not really, no, did you? Mar 16 15:58:50 anyone know how i might pass an event through one element to an element that's under it? Mar 16 15:59:04 time to go home .. laterz Mar 16 15:59:23 Kuraiou: yeah i know, i don't think any of the methods work with the Pre since it forces playing/streaming only... with the browser patches you can download them though. Mar 16 16:02:04 also, if you requested SMS within the last like 10 minutes, you'll probably have to try again cause i just wiped out like 1500 SMS that were queued up that looked a little spammy. Mar 16 16:03:43 i actually got a phone number for tonzr that spells the word "RINGTONE" but i haven't gotten around to switching over to it yet. Mar 16 16:03:49 okay really, i need to get to work lol. Mar 16 16:06:10 good morning, all. Mar 16 16:06:27 morning chuqui Mar 16 16:06:33 hello :) Mar 16 16:07:32 hello Mar 16 16:08:03 chuqui_napping: came to the chat to nap, eh? Mar 16 16:08:16 yawn.... Mar 16 16:08:38 yeah. no, seruously, my way of noting that I'm here but my attention may be elsewhere... Mar 16 16:09:23 chuqui_napping gets paid for each hour he's logged into irc Mar 16 16:09:41 awake or not Mar 16 16:09:43 I wish.... Mar 16 16:10:55 morning, chuq! Mar 16 16:15:49 i guess i'll ask one more time before i go to class, for good measure: anyone know how i might pass an event through one element to an element that's under it? Mar 16 16:16:45 jlazaroff: that was a problem I was having, and I've got no clue. I don't think it's possible. Depending on what you're doing, you could possibly set the css property -webkit-palm-mouse-target: ignore on the 'higher' div Mar 16 16:16:49 but that has bugs, too Mar 16 16:17:04 http://webos101.com/-webkit-palm-mouse-target Mar 16 16:17:44 both elements should get the event if they each are listening for it, no? Mar 16 16:18:00 it's a bit more complicated than that Mar 16 16:18:03 if one is literally on top of the other with a higher z-index..... I don't think so? Mar 16 16:18:20 the upper element is a list that i want to receive tap events, and the lower element is a div that i want to receive drag events Mar 16 16:18:38 and yeah, if one is literally on top with a higher z-index, it'll block off the other one Mar 16 16:20:22 have a container div that handles what to do Mar 16 16:20:53 a container will still be behind the elements inside of it, though Mar 16 16:21:23 if the higher z-index is NOT listening for drag but the lower is, doesn't it still go through? Mar 16 16:22:37 hmm, interesting Mar 16 16:22:38 testing now Mar 16 16:25:11 http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events_order.html Mar 16 16:25:36 hopefully this page will help. Mar 16 16:26:42 altough Mar 16 16:26:45 "Page last changed 3 years ago" Mar 16 16:26:59 that seems to suggest what I thought that both would get the event? Mar 16 16:28:25 yeah Mar 16 16:37:08 that doesn't seem to be how it works for the pre Mar 16 16:37:51 I haven't done a lot of mojo lately but I'm pretty sure that's how it is Mar 16 16:38:09 any listener can stop the propagation of the event though Mar 16 16:38:24 event.stop() for instance will stop the bubble or capture from continuing up/down Mar 16 16:38:41 egaudet_work: oh, how would i make sure it keeps going? Mar 16 16:38:59 As long as you don't stop it I think it should keep going Mar 16 16:41:00 i mean Mar 16 16:41:11 i have the element behind listening for drag events Mar 16 16:41:28 and it should log "success!" if it detects one Mar 16 16:41:42 and when it's in front, it detects it; when it's in back, it doesn't Mar 16 16:41:53 so somewhere along the line the event is getting stopped Mar 16 16:43:03 alternately, is there any way to detect the scroll position? Mar 16 16:43:31 because i could make the top element listen for drag events and just be like "if scroll position is this, and drag up event, then do this" Mar 16 16:48:25 jlazaroff: when you bind the listener events, how are you doing it? Mar 16 16:49:17 actually, nvm Mar 16 16:52:14 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1859&Itemid=238#.listen Mar 16 16:52:19 maybe try setting useCapture to true? o_o Mar 16 16:52:58 or Mojo.Event.make ? Mar 16 16:53:26 what is that? Mar 16 16:53:32 i don't even see that second one in the API Mar 16 16:53:32 -_- Mar 16 16:54:32 doesn't look like setting useCapture works -_- Mar 16 16:54:52 know if there's any way to detect scroll position?? Mar 16 16:54:52 foo Mar 16 16:55:00 nope :/ Mar 16 16:55:09 -_________- Mar 16 16:55:14 i may have to abandon this feature :( Mar 16 16:56:01 jlazaroff: you can detect scroll position Mar 16 16:56:23 The main scroller or a custom scroller? Mar 16 16:56:27 the main scroller Mar 16 16:57:53 come to think of it, not being able to detect scroll position would be a kinda big limitation Mar 16 16:58:20 this.controller.get('mojo-scene-SCENE-NAME-scroller').mojo.revealBottom(); Mar 16 16:58:23 reveals bottom Mar 16 16:58:46 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1929&Itemid=307 Mar 16 16:58:54 has the getState and getPosition method Mar 16 16:59:31 I think that should work Mar 16 16:59:50 no dash in the scene name unless you put one there Mar 16 17:01:16 okay, ill check that out Mar 16 17:01:21 thanks :) Mar 16 17:03:22 my syntax is a little off Mar 16 17:03:33 this.controller.get('mojo-scene-SCENENAME-scene-scroller').mojo.revealBottom(); Mar 16 17:03:43 There, just tested it on my app and it works Mar 16 17:05:50 wait, i would call like getState() or getSrollPosition(), not revealBottom(), right? Mar 16 17:05:57 yep Mar 16 17:06:00 okay Mar 16 17:06:02 thanks :) Mar 16 17:06:05 thats just the code i use in my app Mar 16 17:19:36 Palm Pre being used in the Microsoft MIX live feed Mar 16 17:23:12 hah Mar 16 17:23:13 excellent. Mar 16 17:56:39 hey Templarian, how goes the battle? Mar 16 18:02:30 hellp Mar 16 18:02:40 doh.. hello* Mar 16 18:03:47 can anyone help with preware and the size limit of tmp? Mar 16 18:03:58 lookin for some info Mar 16 18:04:47 * SiLlY_ goes cricket hunting.. Mar 16 18:04:56 size limit of tmp? Mar 16 18:05:09 yes.. Mar 16 18:05:19 I created my own feed.. Mar 16 18:05:37 ah... Mar 16 18:05:42 and if the ipk I'm trying to install is bigger than umm.. lets say 60 megs.. Mar 16 18:05:46 it farts Mar 16 18:05:49 heh. Mar 16 18:06:10 You know, #webos-internals might be a better place for that question. Mar 16 18:06:21 I'm sorry. Mar 16 18:06:32 I was looking for guidance and you have given it. Mar 16 18:06:34 Thanks Mar 16 18:06:38 wasnt sure where to go. Mar 16 18:06:39 ;) Mar 16 18:06:42 not a big deal, just not many of us know much about that stuff. Mar 16 18:07:02 Good luck with that. Hope you get your answer. Mar 16 18:07:10 Thanks bud. Mar 16 18:07:15 appreciate the info. Mar 16 18:07:17 :) Mar 16 18:07:19 no problem Mar 16 18:14:19 anyone have any idea why these are both returning undefined? Mojo.Log.info("state " + this.controller.get("mojo-scene-home-scene-scroller").mojo.getState().toJSON); Mar 16 18:14:19 Mojo.Log.info("position " + this.controller.get("mojo-scene-home-scene-scroller").mojo.getScrollPosition().toJSON); Mar 16 18:14:23 whoops, sorry -_- Mar 16 18:14:43 ? Mar 16 18:15:00 "mojo-scene-home-scene-scroller" might not be defined Mar 16 18:19:23 it would just be "-home-scroller" Mar 16 18:19:29 also Mar 16 18:19:40 it's waaaaay easier if you give your scroller an actual ID, and use that iD. Mar 16 18:20:29 Kuraiou: something like this.scroller = this.controller.get("mojo-scene-home-scroller"); ? Mar 16 18:21:18 that was what i think Tib was saying, but in the html, use:
Mar 16 18:21:25 and then in the js you can just use: this.controller.get("easyToRememberId") Mar 16 18:22:21 it's the main scroller, though, not like a widget Mar 16 18:22:30 ohhhh Mar 16 18:22:33 a built-in one hrm Mar 16 18:22:43 then yeah, try that first thing I said :) Mar 16 18:23:05 although it probably won't work... sigh Mar 16 18:23:09 * Kuraiou goes to read docs even though he's at work now. Mar 16 18:23:35 no, i get this error: [20100316-14:21:37.375397] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'mojo' of null, app/assistants/home-assistant.js:76 Mar 16 18:24:06 what were you getting before? Mar 16 18:24:45 [20100316-14:12:57.223386] error: position undefined Mar 16 18:25:03 which means that get("mojo-scene-home-scene-scroller").mojo.getScrollPosition().toJSON just returned undefined Mar 16 18:25:04 wait Mar 16 18:25:35 with Mojo.Log.info you can separate things with a comma Mar 16 18:25:41 so you don't have to concatenate strings with '+' Mar 16 18:26:13 Mojo.View.getScrollerForElement(body) maybe? Mar 16 18:26:20 I don't know how scenes woooooooork ;_; Mar 16 18:26:50 AH HAH Mar 16 18:27:11 each scene controller has a "getSceneScroller" function Mar 16 18:27:20 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1874&Itemid=244#.getSceneScroller Mar 16 18:28:35 hooray! Mar 16 18:28:40 okay, trying that out now Mar 16 18:30:02 I never got "getSceneScroller" to work Mar 16 18:30:26 Did what I posted not work? Mar 16 18:30:28 this.controller.sceneController.getSceneScroller(); Mar 16 18:30:48 (01:14:19 PM) jlazaroff: Mojo.Log.info("position " + this.controller.get("mojo-scene-home-scene-scroller").mojo.getScrollPosition().toJSON); Mar 16 18:30:53 (01:24:45 PM) jlazaroff: [20100316-14:12:57.223386] error: position undefined Mar 16 18:31:23 use the other method Mar 16 18:31:25 oh jeez Mar 16 18:31:31 no the problem is you weren't closing your damn () Mar 16 18:31:34 jlaz. Mar 16 18:31:35 toJSON() Mar 16 18:31:37 not toJSON Mar 16 18:31:42 * Kuraiou sigh. Mar 16 18:31:50 stupid semicolon bugs. Mar 16 18:34:37 * Kuraiou pokes jlazaroff. Mar 16 18:37:04 evening Mar 16 18:37:11 good afternoon Mar 16 18:37:11 konban Mar 16 18:37:46 oh, sorry Kuraiou Mar 16 18:37:56 konbanwa Mar 16 18:38:04 heh, no need to apologize^^; Mar 16 18:38:38 apparently toJSON() is a method of the Ajax object, so i can't use it there anyway Mar 16 18:38:42 this code works, though Mar 16 18:38:48 Mojo.Log.info("position " + this.controller.getSceneScroller().mojo.getScrollPosition().top); Mar 16 18:39:41 yeah, the problem was in the toJSON bit... the other stuff worked Mar 16 18:39:49 but I think this.controller.getSceneScroller() is a bit more attractive^^ Mar 16 18:39:50 try evalJSON()? Mar 16 18:39:54 Object.toJSON() Mar 16 18:39:56 also good Mar 16 18:40:08 evalJSON() wouldn't work because an object's returned, not a JSON string Mar 16 18:41:17 ah, I just bought a keychain from one of my favorite webcomics yesterday, can't wait for it to come~ Mar 16 18:44:10 i only need the vertical position anyway Mar 16 18:44:12 which webcomic? Mar 16 18:44:49 Dang, do you know what sucks? Mar 16 18:45:26 Being sick on spring break. Mar 16 18:45:26 Supernormal Step Mar 16 18:45:38 http://www.supernormalstep.com Mar 16 18:45:40 yes, that does suck Mar 16 18:45:52 my friend Gina was sick all of her spring break too. Mar 16 18:46:07 that happened to me last winter -_- Mar 16 18:46:20 Tibfib: are you still in school, then? Mar 16 18:46:30 Nope it's my spring break Mar 16 18:46:38 i mean, have you not graduated yet Mar 16 18:46:41 Yah Mar 16 18:46:46 I'm 15 Mar 16 18:46:52 aaah Mar 16 18:46:54 oh wow Mar 16 18:47:13 Heh, yeah Mar 16 18:47:38 that's what i love about IRC Mar 16 18:47:51 you get such a diverse mix of nationalities, ages, etc Mar 16 18:47:54 and you have no idea Mar 16 18:47:54 lmao Mar 16 18:53:53 wb Templarian Mar 16 18:54:49 okay, last question, and then i can get rolling on this Mar 16 18:55:00 is there any way to get the drag direction from a drag event? Mar 16 19:01:02 * Kuraiou shrugs Mar 16 19:01:10 I think this came up recently, too... Mar 16 19:02:49 -_- Mar 16 19:02:52 the docs could really be better Mar 16 19:04:31 I think they need to change it to a wiki! Mar 16 19:05:13 webos101.com won't work as well because it won't change when palm changes their stuff. Mar 16 19:05:42 even the like automatically generated docs are inaccurate Mar 16 19:05:58 when i first started playing around with the SDK i spent like three hours trying to figure out how to push a scene Mar 16 19:06:03 ....that was badly worded. Mar 16 19:06:51 finally someone noticed that i was using Mojo.StageController (what the docs say) instead of Mojo.stageController (what it actually is) Mar 16 19:06:53 what do you mean? Mar 16 19:07:02 yeah, I hate that lower-case stageController thing Mar 16 19:07:05 it's inconsistent with everything else Mar 16 19:07:31 isn't it like, a class? Mar 16 19:07:37 it should be StageController Mar 16 19:08:15 whoops, Mojo.Controller.stageController Mar 16 19:09:07 * Kuraiou nods Mar 16 19:09:59 anyway, i'm off for a bit Mar 16 19:10:09 see you all later! Mar 16 19:46:43 Hi, is there a way to find out, if the audio on my webOS device is muted or not? Mar 16 19:48:21 hold it to your ear? Mar 16 19:49:21 I mean programmatically! ;-) Mar 16 19:50:25 :P Mar 16 19:50:35 ya i have no idea Mar 16 19:50:54 i know there's a way to query the audio volume Mar 16 19:51:06 so, i would guess it would say 0 if it was muted Mar 16 19:51:08 *shrug* Mar 16 19:52:26 And how can you find out the audio volume? Mar 16 19:52:38 in the docs somewhere Mar 16 19:52:52 that might be an 'undocumented' api actually... Mar 16 19:53:12 Of course I already had a look there, and I haven't found anything! Mar 16 19:53:16 well, hrm. you know what I'm not even sure if you can do that. Mar 16 19:53:27 the audioi players don't have integrated volume controls Mar 16 19:53:31 hrm Mar 16 19:53:43 k i go back to saying, "i have no idea" Mar 16 19:54:15 I just want my game to be silent, if the user has turned off audio! It should be "meeting-compatible"! Mar 16 19:56:10 haha nice Mar 16 19:57:32 Onkel_C: afaik, it's not possible yet to see if the device is muted or not Mar 16 19:57:55 you could use system sounds, which are muted when the device is muted Mar 16 19:58:05 I really want a dropbox client on the pre.... Mar 16 19:58:18 or you tell the user, he can still control the volume of a muted device, useing the volume buttons Mar 16 19:58:32 means: you mute the device, then you turn of volume Mar 16 19:59:09 too bad, and system-sounds will not be sufficient. Mar 16 19:59:33 Yeah, that would be possible. Mar 16 20:00:37 it works fine with NFS Mar 16 20:14:45 Onkel_C: your best option is to have a "sounds" be an application preferences Mar 16 20:53:58 god dammit Mar 16 20:54:09 how long does it take to get an email back from whitepages Mar 16 20:57:24 halfhalo_T400_: is that your app in catalog? Mar 16 20:57:34 ? Mar 16 20:57:38 no Mar 16 20:58:20 dangit, app people, update my app already ;O Mar 16 20:58:42 there's a reverse phone lookup app Mar 16 20:58:53 I just saw Mar 16 20:59:06 And I'm pissed Mar 16 20:59:37 can anyone restart they pre? since the 1.4 update whenever I try to restart the phone, it just freezes and I have to take the battery out. Mar 16 21:00:32 gkatsev: i used to have that problem before 1.4 now i dont seem to Mar 16 21:00:44 gkatsev: no problem here Mar 16 21:00:52 try restarting it using [orange]+[sym]+R Mar 16 21:01:01 see if that does it too, jsut out of curiousity Mar 16 21:01:24 digitalpowers: yep, thats how i did it. but both the device info->restart and the opt+syn+r fail miserably Mar 16 21:01:36 weird Mar 16 21:01:42 also, seems like i am getting luna restarts like at least once a day now with 1.4 Mar 16 21:02:02 really annoying. havent really had these problems before when i heard that pretty much everyone was having them. Mar 16 21:09:16 try the power button Mar 16 21:09:34 that can only shutdown Mar 16 21:10:23 switch off and restart Mar 16 21:10:27 no, it can restart. Mar 16 21:10:37 from power? how? Mar 16 21:10:41 okay, my proposal for restructuring the forums is now posted. see it here http://bit.ly/cysYG5 and please let me know what you think Mar 16 21:10:43 longer press Mar 16 21:10:43 when you hold it down, it gives you the option to restart, shut down, or turn on airplane mode. Mar 16 21:10:46 other than shutdown->turn on Mar 16 21:10:53 hold it down. Mar 16 21:11:02 chuqui_napping: nope, you're sleeping Mar 16 21:11:22 some email notifications would be handy before... Mar 16 21:11:24 brb Mar 16 21:11:25 Kuraiou: ah, i thought power was only shutdown. Mar 16 21:11:41 yawn... Mar 16 21:13:14 chuqui_napping: please repair the email notifications for replys Mar 16 21:14:43 Kuraiou: nope. it got stuck while trying ti restart with the power button Mar 16 21:14:50 what's broken? Mar 16 21:15:36 I never got any email from the forum on a reply in a thread I've posted into Mar 16 21:15:46 hum. I'm getting them. Mar 16 21:15:47 they are subscribed, yes Mar 16 21:15:54 you do? Mar 16 21:16:08 chuqui_napping...got email re: featured apps. good! Mar 16 21:16:13 hm, it might be the ocean, which swallows them Mar 16 21:16:30 You are receiving this notification because you are watching the topic, Mar 16 21:16:45 I would like to, yes Mar 16 21:20:05 admob advertising is dying always during the middle of month Mar 16 21:20:51 15th, 16th are the ahrd days, around month change results quite good, in the middle they are really bad Mar 16 21:22:54 hey chuq Mar 16 21:25:30 yo Mar 16 21:25:51 thanks for keeping a look at those app catalog bugs Mar 16 21:27:39 g'night everyone Mar 16 21:28:28 * MetaView just updates TravelGuide Pro in the catalog.... Mar 16 21:30:08 FINALLY got an email back from whitepages. but jeese, their like you gotta use teh pro api!!! which is 500 a month PLUS 0.10 cents a match Mar 16 21:30:14 Yeah, well, screw that Mar 16 21:30:37 what's whitepages? Mar 16 21:30:44 something like yellowpages? Mar 16 21:30:51 I would rather just keep it in the beta feeds with no limit Mar 16 21:30:59 and its like yellowpages but for people Mar 16 21:31:36 ok Mar 16 21:32:07 It took them a week to reply to my first email, and the only reason they did was because I posted on the forums Mar 16 21:32:20 lets see how long it takes them to reply to my last email Mar 16 21:36:14 morning Mar 16 21:40:04 morning Mar 16 21:43:03 ok, I have tried looking this guy up and have come up blank Mar 16 22:01:52 Has anyone had any luck yet getting a PDK javascript plugin to work? Mar 16 22:08:15 JasonLP: not tried it yet Mar 16 22:30:55 Hello. Mar 16 22:31:38 var appController = Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); this.window.close(); is not quitting my app gone. What's the proper way to kill my app? Mar 16 23:00:44 Hm. I just received a Pixi Plus from the developer purchase program. There was no seal on the top of the box (only the bottom) and two of the little manual/leaflets in the box were dogeared. Mar 16 23:01:45 Has anyone else received one yet, or otherwise purchased a device from palm.com? Is this just sloppy packaging or are they actually sending out refurbs? Mar 16 23:03:48 that would be crap given the price Mar 16 23:04:15 I've seen some pretty bad packaging jobs on new products, so it doesn't surprise me in general. Mar 16 23:04:42 well....kids in china aren't paid enough to care Mar 16 23:04:50 Ah. I'm watching someone's unboxing photo and it's the same on theirs too - no seal on the top of the box, and dogeared leaflets. So, I'm guessing it's intentional, to call attention to the "important" information. Mar 16 23:05:09 The dog-eared leaflets that is. I have no idea why they decided not to stick another seal on the box. Mar 16 23:05:13 oh yeah...the dogearing is standard Mar 16 23:05:31 rembering back to June....just tossed that crap aside Mar 16 23:06:57 rwhitby: Well, I think I might be the first to use meta-doctor on a developer program device! :-) I'll let you know how it goes. Mar 16 23:10:10 chandler: excellent. what features are you going to uncomment? Mar 16 23:11:38 BYPASS_ACTIVATION, BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP, DISABLE_UPLOAD_DAEMON at first Mar 16 23:11:59 oh, ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE too Mar 16 23:12:20 I don't think I need anything else to get started. Mar 16 23:12:50 The documentation on this is very clear, by the way. Mar 16 23:13:07 yep, that's pretty much the set I'll use too. Unless you're doing lots of optware linux stuff you won't need the /var space. I personally preload the authorized_keys file, but that's only if you intend using openssh on the device. Mar 16 23:13:59 chandler: yeah, I did a documentation update in preparation for the developer devices arriving :-) Mar 16 23:14:26 I saw the commit in the history, so I figured you'd appreciate knowing that it's good :-) Mar 16 23:14:45 also rationalised four options into two. Mar 16 23:15:03 It looks like my infrequently-used Karmic VM needs a slew of updates, so I'll let that run while I grab dinner, then give this a shot. Mar 16 23:21:59 anyone played with dashboard scenes? Mar 16 23:23:30 Is there anyway to hide a dashboard scene without closing it? Mar 16 23:38:23 Hi all! Mar 16 23:39:26 hi jenp Mar 16 23:39:36 hi lyht Mar 16 23:43:27 hey JenP Mar 16 23:43:40 hi rod how's it going? Mar 16 23:44:17 * pandora-- waves Mar 16 23:44:29 lol hi pandora Mar 16 23:45:59 :) Mar 16 23:48:09 hi everyone! :) Mar 16 23:48:50 hi jlazaroff Mar 17 00:26:56 rwhitby: It looks like I need to use the `all-verizonwireless' target instead of just `all'; is that expected for a VZW Pixi Plus? Mar 17 00:28:49 chandler: yes Mar 17 00:29:11 'all' build customised doctors for all carriers, and requires all the corresponding doctors Mar 17 00:29:52 *Finally* my Sprint Pre see's the whole catalog again. Mar 17 00:36:33 man WebView f'ng sucks..frequently freezes while loading pages Mar 17 00:39:22 Hm. I can't get the regular doctor to work on my MacBook Pro either. Mar 17 00:39:46 chandler: I use an MBP for all my webos-internals development Mar 17 00:42:01 All I see is a flood of console messages: http://paste.lisp.org/display/96492 Mar 17 00:42:53 chandler: plug and unplug the USB. make sure it is set to 'charge only'. make sure a virtual machine is not grabbing the USB connection Mar 17 00:43:13 How do I set it to 'charge only'? I haven't activated the device yet at all. Mar 17 00:44:08 Aha. Putting it into bootloader recovery mode did the trick. Mar 17 00:44:56 Sorry, I'm not sure why I expected this to work without doing that. :-) Mar 17 00:57:54 rwhitby: Well, it's up and running now. Mar 17 01:23:14 <_azdak> hey yall Mar 17 01:47:36 anyone know which font the pre uses for the lockscreen clock? Mar 17 01:47:51 or should i say can anyone confirm it being coconut-boldd Mar 17 02:45:54 hello Mar 17 02:46:19 is anyone familiar with how to associate a specific filetype with a webos application? Mar 17 02:46:38 nein Mar 17 02:47:15 Ok, I feel dumb. How do you get two elements in Ares to line up horizontally. I can do it in CSS :p Mar 17 02:47:22 chandler: excellent - what was the problem? Mar 17 02:54:39 rwhitby: I needed to put the device into bootloader recovery mode, as there wasn't a charge only option for the USB connection visible prior to activation. Mar 17 02:54:58 chandler: ah, yes. perfect. Mar 17 02:55:16 chandler: were you able to create or sign into a profile? Mar 17 02:56:16 rwhitby: Haven't done that yet, to be honest. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 17 02:59:57 2010