**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 02:59:57 2010 Mar 23 03:05:57 he wasn't complaining. Mar 23 03:06:50 !!! Mar 23 03:06:55 6 core amd's Mar 23 03:07:02 for under 300 Mar 23 03:07:16 make that under 200 Mar 23 03:16:48 Still no one has had any luck getting a PDK javascript plugin to work? Mar 23 03:19:17 nope Mar 23 04:01:23 hi everyone! :) Mar 23 04:07:59 whats a good way to set a timeout on an Ajax call in prototype? I am getting data from a cloud server and would like to handle a timeout situation with the call. Mar 23 04:13:21 zer we go Mar 23 04:14:53 Bmyers: not sure, but if you find out please let me know :) Mar 23 04:15:06 and me Mar 23 04:15:56 WTF? Mar 23 04:16:37 stupid phone Mar 23 04:21:25 hi all! Mar 23 04:21:42 ola Mar 23 04:22:06 hey halfhalo Mar 23 04:39:31 Hi Jenp Mar 23 04:39:41 hey Bill! Mar 23 04:40:14 congrats on ur promotion Mar 23 04:40:20 thank you! Mar 23 04:40:22 and Mar 23 04:40:30 i kicked ass at my belly dancing class Mar 23 04:40:32 promotion? Mar 23 04:40:34 so all around great day Mar 23 04:40:43 yeah i got a promotion today! Mar 23 04:40:48 nice Mar 23 04:56:27 my pre is to sexy for its shirt Mar 23 04:56:49 halfhalo you're freakin funny Mar 23 04:58:04 I speak the truth Mar 23 05:00:09 than you do... Mar 23 05:00:30 k i've gott to go...ttyt Mar 23 05:31:09 and then? Mar 23 05:51:58 everyone is dead? Mar 23 05:52:33 lulz Mar 23 05:52:50 anyone happen to recall how to turn on audio in emulator? Mar 23 05:52:58 niet Mar 23 05:55:14 http://pre101.com/blog/2009/10/31/enabling-sounds-in-the-webos-emulator/ Mar 23 05:56:35 I dont get the hugest confidence about palm Mar 23 05:56:42 I really hope they can get their crap togther shortly Mar 23 05:56:47 get some new hardware for webos Mar 23 06:14:55 hopefully I can get my mixer going tonight FROM mojo **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 11:58:15 2010 Mar 23 15:23:57 shizuka na.... Mar 23 15:27:44 morning Mar 23 15:30:49 Good morning beautiful mutants, fellow Ninja's Mar 23 15:31:49 what's so good about it? Mar 23 15:32:22 I have a job, the sun is shining, I'm not in the hospital, should I go on? Mar 23 15:32:57 those all sound like negative things to me >:) Mar 23 15:33:00 nope, sounds like enough. Mar 23 15:33:08 Sucks to be you Kuraiou. Mar 23 15:33:13 hah Mar 23 15:33:16 it does, sometimes. Mar 23 15:33:31 morning earthling Mar 23 15:33:32 hey, the glass is always half full Mar 23 15:33:45 The cake is a lie and there is no spoon. Mar 23 15:33:56 at least for me Mar 23 15:34:08 there are no silver linings without clouds. Mar 23 15:34:10 earthling? I'm a carbon-based biped. Mar 23 15:34:41 there is no spoon Mar 23 15:34:56 That's from The Matrix I believe Mar 23 15:35:09 it's a beautiful and sunny spring day Mar 23 15:35:11 yeah Mar 23 15:37:02 i'm going to present webos-internals and webos at the openexpo tomorrow Mar 23 15:37:08 So, is it possible to develop in QT for webOS, and why would you want to? Mar 23 15:37:11 COOL Mar 23 15:37:21 it is possible Mar 23 15:37:30 QT? Mar 23 15:37:40 quicktime? :) Mar 23 15:37:55 KDE QT? Mar 23 15:37:57 * maik barf Mar 23 15:38:01 The cross-platform language from nokia I think. Mar 23 15:38:07 ah Mar 23 15:38:09 then yes. Mar 23 15:38:09 http://www.precentral.net/qt-app-platform-and-running-palm-pre Mar 23 15:38:24 Yes, I've seen the demos, but not much else. Mar 23 15:38:27 yeah Mar 23 15:38:40 since it's rather aimed at desktop apps it seems Mar 23 15:38:56 standard gui elements Mar 23 15:39:28 e.g the spreadsheet apps looks like just any desktop spreadsheet app Mar 23 15:39:33 with tiny scrollbars and all Mar 23 15:41:28 Bah, I won't waste my time on it. I like the PDK Mar 23 15:42:17 it will probably need at least a webos theme to look better Mar 23 15:54:06 Thank ghod for the debugger in Ares. Mar 23 15:56:31 it's chuqui! Mar 23 15:57:32 hail chuqui! Mar 23 15:58:16 All Praise to the keeper of the keys!!! The Chuqmeister! Mar 23 15:58:36 bow worshippers, bow Mar 23 15:59:11 Well, i guess it's debateable. Is chuqui the keymaster or the gatekeeper? Mar 23 16:00:11 speaketh to us the wisdom of palm Mar 23 16:00:43 your name is Rick, so clearly you're the keymaster. Mar 23 16:00:48 Which I guess makes chuq the gatekeeper. Mar 23 16:00:56 Good to know. Mar 23 16:01:40 and Mitch Allen is Zuhl. Mar 23 16:01:48 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. Mar 23 16:03:42 the master has his tongue tied? Mar 23 16:07:52 bbiab Mar 23 16:12:06 chuqui: developers still receive no notification of app/updates being published? Mar 23 16:12:36 howdy all. Mar 23 16:16:18 haeffb: that's correct as of four or five days ago Mar 23 16:16:26 although I did get my first payment via paypal :O Mar 23 16:17:49 now all I need to do is make an app that sells 30,000 or more copies Mar 23 16:17:51 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Mar 23 16:18:07 Must... Not.. Give... In... To... HUMOR! Mar 23 16:27:48 anyone tried those speed patches? Mar 23 16:29:16 haeffb_pre true. Mar 23 16:29:20 speed patches evil. Mar 23 16:29:24 argh. yet another meeting. back later. Mar 23 16:29:51 What are these meetings you talk about? Are those those things you get cookies at? Mar 23 16:31:10 i read the pre cpu clocks to 600mhz when playing games Mar 23 16:31:20 It does Mar 23 16:32:03 i want to try setting it to run at 600mhz to see what difference it would make Mar 23 16:32:49 When I ran it I didn't see a huge change Mar 23 16:33:01 how did you get it Mar 23 16:33:35 The 600mhz patch is just a script Mar 23 16:33:43 hell, you can do it by hand if you want Mar 23 16:34:01 thought it would be in preware Mar 23 16:34:14 It was at one point Mar 23 17:39:44 Hey guys any suggestions on how to implement a Country selector? Mar 23 17:40:24 I guess I could use a list selector.. Mar 23 17:40:32 but not really ideal Mar 23 17:40:36 rehi Mar 23 17:40:42 hey swisstomcat Mar 23 17:41:00 swisstomcat: do you have any idea on how to implement a country picker? Mar 23 17:41:10 seems like a list selector wouldn't be all to great Mar 23 17:41:25 i'd use a listselector Mar 23 17:41:38 it's like a dropdown Mar 23 17:42:00 I guess I could have most popular at the top and then go down alphabetically Mar 23 17:42:16 or preselect based on the locale Mar 23 17:42:51 ah I guess I could do that where would I find that info *darn documentation* Mar 23 17:43:21 they changed: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1834&Itemid=20 :/ Mar 23 17:43:25 something with .getlocale() Mar 23 17:45:44 does anyone have a better documentation than the website? the search box doesn't even work :/ Mar 23 17:45:54 webos101 Mar 23 17:46:17 sometimes even google ... e.g getlocale() webos Mar 23 17:48:05 hi all.. i'm using palm emulator and working on porting a JS app.. Mar 23 17:48:23 how can i activate selection by drag kind of feature Mar 23 17:49:08 example? Mar 23 17:49:18 basicaly it is a spreadsheet kind of thing,, so i want to select multiple cells at a time Mar 23 17:49:23 any suggestions Mar 23 17:49:27 ? Mar 23 17:49:48 i think there are the usual dragstart dragstop events? Mar 23 17:50:00 there are drag events Mar 23 17:50:01 yupyup Mar 23 17:50:12 or you can do it the hard way and just track mousedown/mousemove/mouseup Mar 23 17:50:24 hmm,, Mar 23 17:50:27 ok,, Mar 23 17:50:29 thanks Mar 23 17:50:42 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1858&Itemid=247 Mar 23 17:56:43 hmm I seem to only be able to get a format region :( no country Mar 23 17:57:37 you could sort the country-list using that tho Mar 23 18:04:05 Asking my daily question: Anyone had any luck yet writing a PDK javascript plugin that works? Mar 23 18:05:14 no, and as i read in the forum other neither Mar 23 18:05:24 others^^ Mar 23 18:05:40 They were supposed to show a working example, but they've been silent on the issue for awhile now. Mar 23 18:06:42 hi all, just wanted to let everyone in the southern california know about a new meetup.com group for webos developers i put together, please join up if you're interested! http://www.meetup.com/socal-webOS-Development-Group/ Mar 23 18:07:35 too bad i'm not in SOC, otherwise i'd join you Mar 23 18:08:14 yay for admium crashing! Mar 23 18:08:18 adium* Mar 23 18:08:28 i use eclipse for development on webOS.. can u please tell me where can i find the ipk file for a pp? Mar 23 18:08:31 app* Mar 23 18:08:44 you have to run palm-package manually Mar 23 18:14:06 hello all! Mar 23 18:14:30 hola Mar 23 18:15:17 hey lonestar Mar 23 18:15:23 and chuqui is back Mar 23 18:15:29 ho. Mar 23 18:15:30 lies! Mar 23 18:15:48 speak to us, master of palm Mar 23 18:18:17 I think he has more important things to do. Mar 23 18:18:20 HA, I made a funny Mar 23 18:23:30 I may or may not need to pick up just cause 2 today Mar 23 18:25:19 Oh, really, they have to go and make it dx10 only? Mar 23 18:25:32 dammit, that means my measly little 3470 won't play it Mar 23 18:26:32 I'm going to go steal a graphics design workstation to play this at work Mar 23 18:27:42 * halfhalo goes to steal one of the dual xeon dells we have laying around here Mar 23 19:07:07 start the guessing Mar 23 19:07:15 what version is WebOS Arak? Mar 23 19:07:30 1.4.x Mar 23 19:07:54 I think its just renamed for testing with ATT Mar 23 19:09:49 could be Mar 23 19:09:53 or a prerelease Mar 23 19:09:59 of 1.5 Mar 23 19:10:48 There were no reports of new apps though besides the att branded telenav, and no new features Mar 23 19:11:48 so it could just be a special build of 1.4.x Mar 23 19:12:15 I was trying to picture how a landsape webos device would be like, and I came to the conclusion that it would be weird Mar 23 19:12:32 no place for a gesture area methinks Mar 23 19:13:14 you mean something like a droid formfactor? Mar 23 19:13:21 yeah Mar 23 19:13:49 it could have gesture areas on both sides Mar 23 19:13:52 only way it could work is if the gesture pad was on the side, but that is just....weird Mar 23 19:14:04 but for the launcher swipe up.... Mar 23 19:14:05 depending on orientation Mar 23 19:15:03 I also want to see an optical trackpad in the notification area to be used for some gestures, ie swipe up on it instead of on the screen for card view Mar 23 19:21:55 Has anyone had trouble getting eclipse or whatnot to connect to an actual device post WebOS 1.4 ? Mar 23 19:24:12 I can deploy to the emulator just fine, but the physical device has been a no-go. Mar 23 19:24:31 nope, works fine here Mar 23 19:26:50 This is on a fresh machine, it doesn't find drivers for the device. Is this the right place to find someone who might be able to lend a hand, or is there somewhere more appropriate? Mar 23 19:27:15 nope, this is the right place. I assume dev mode is enabled on the device? Mar 23 19:27:32 yeah, that's the first thing Mar 23 19:27:37 Yep, naturally. Mar 23 19:27:42 host-os? Mar 23 19:27:47 bsiegel: you mwan uploading app IPK to device for testing? Mar 23 19:27:59 from a commandline, does palm-install -l do anything? Mar 23 19:28:09 what host-os? Mar 23 19:28:17 Win7 x64 Mar 23 19:28:29 when I manually browse to the novacom folder for the drivers, I can select "Palm Novacom" but I get a warning that Windows cannot verify the driver is compatible with the hardware... Mar 23 19:28:30 check if the command line works Mar 23 19:28:42 first: java -version Mar 23 19:28:52 second: palm-install -l Mar 23 19:29:46 palm-install says no device found, Java is 1.6.0_18 64 bit Mar 23 19:30:04 heh, then the novacom drivers arn't installed Mar 23 19:30:26 does it find a device and search for drivers when you plug it in? Mar 23 19:30:48 No, it doesn't. I can use the "update driver..." dialog to specify the novacom drivers Mar 23 19:30:53 but I get that warning when I do so Mar 23 19:31:19 I know for a fact it works since my dev machines are both 7 ult x64 Mar 23 19:31:27 that seems like a problem Mar 23 19:31:28 and I have signed drivers for both Mar 23 19:31:36 if it doesn't even detect the device when you plug it in Mar 23 19:31:40 The novacom.inf specifies a device with USB\Vid_0830&Pid_8002&MI_01 Mar 23 19:31:53 but my device says it is USB\Vid_0830&Pid_8002 (the MI part is missing) Mar 23 19:32:19 so it's detecting a device Mar 23 19:32:55 Interestingly, on my old machine where it used to work with WebOS 1.3.5.1, the device string included that MI_01 portion. Mar 23 19:33:15 Also Win7 x64 Mar 23 19:34:42 Hmm. What software should I be installing on my Windows XP computer to connect my Palm Pre to it? Mar 23 19:35:20 I am quite stumped. Two different devices do the same thing, so it's obviously something wrong with the computer or the USB cable. Mar 23 19:35:31 reinstall the sdk Mar 23 19:35:49 bsiegel: so you can install IPK in emulator but not in device? Mar 23 19:36:08 I don't have the SDK. Mar 23 19:36:10 I've re-installed the SDK already as well. Mar 23 19:36:16 LoneStar99: yep, correct Mar 23 19:37:46 zemyla: to use it as an usb-drive? Mar 23 19:38:02 bsiegel: u are using win7 64? Mar 23 19:38:25 I'm selecting "Just Charge", like WebOS Quick Install tells me to. Mar 23 19:39:05 LoneStar99: correct Mar 23 19:41:07 bsiegel: you try to install IPK in device using "cmd" palm-install -d usb com.my_killer_app_1.0.3_all.ipk ?? Mar 23 19:41:32 Interestingly, putting it into USB drive mode also does nothing (Windows detects no new devices, no drive shows up in Computer view) Mar 23 19:41:42 something is seriously borked on this laptop Mar 23 19:41:59 can you try on another machine, just plug it in and see if it's recognized Mar 23 19:42:38 I suspect it does work on the old dev machine I was using, I plan to track it down and check there later tonight. Mar 23 19:44:31 for now I am going to try turning dev mode back off and see if the usb drive mode works at all on this machine Mar 23 19:44:36 bsiegeL: what about plugging in any other USB devic> Mar 23 19:45:25 bbl Mar 23 19:45:31 LoneStar99: I don't have any other webos devices to test with at the moment, though a different Pre had this same problem on this machine. Other USB devices (keyboard, etc) work fine, and I've tried moving the device around to different USB ports. Mar 23 19:45:42 I haven't been able to try a different USB cable yet though Mar 23 19:47:26 hmmm... very weird Mar 23 19:51:21 USB drive works OK when dev mode is disabled Mar 23 19:54:32 it is odd that two devices have do not work, the simplest solution would be the cable Mar 23 19:55:30 I will try another one when I can find one, but it's especially odd that things seem to work normally when dev mode is off Mar 23 19:56:09 greetings Mar 23 19:57:11 bsiegel: and this began to happen with the 1.4 upgrade? Mar 23 19:57:31 greetings codeslaw_ Mar 23 19:59:56 LoneStar99: yeah, everything worked with the 1.3.5.1 sdk & device Mar 23 20:00:37 bsiegel: you did not by mistake install the 32bit version instead of 64? Mar 23 20:00:56 rehi Mar 23 20:02:58 LoneStar99: Nope. I just re-downloaded the SDK today to do the re-install. Was definitely the 64-bit version. Mar 23 20:05:42 have used both 32bit version and now 64 on Win 7 and only once encountered a problem - never anything like your issue... Mar 23 20:05:45 Goddammit, I installed Terminal and Terminal Services and when I try to launch Termina, it freezes and restarts. Mar 23 20:06:00 Don't know why the fuck it would do that. Does anyone have any clue? Mar 23 20:06:04 zemyla: AFAIK termina isn't supported on 1.4 yet Mar 23 20:06:13 Zemyla: Known issue with 1.4, best bet is to use Terminus for now Mar 23 20:06:14 Oh. Oh, crap. Mar 23 20:06:21 Where do I get Terminus? Mar 23 20:07:40 And is there a built-in ssh client on the Palm built-in, or do I have to download one? Mar 23 20:09:41 Zemyla: It was in the webos-internals feed last I checked Mar 23 20:15:28 I can't find Terminus on webos-internals. Mar 23 20:16:12 Oh, should I get openssh if all I will be doing with Terminal is sshing to another machine? Mar 23 20:16:42 I think there is a basic ssh client, if memory serves Mar 23 20:18:01 Okay, I found Terminus. Mar 23 20:21:30 How do I type in a pipe in Terminus? And I cannot find the ssh client. Mar 23 20:23:06 Zemyla: This is all I know: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/terminus/wiki Mar 23 20:24:36 :< Mar 23 20:44:41 Hell, Terminus is a vt100, and that does not play well with screen and ssh at all. Mar 23 20:45:17 evo...... Mar 23 20:47:57 halfhalo: I know... :O Mar 23 20:48:15 * halfhalo is totally wanting one running webos Mar 23 20:48:16 But i want webOS on it :'( Mar 23 20:48:35 palm, get on that! Mar 23 20:48:55 I know... gosh dang... beautiful phone Mar 23 20:49:15 same time data/calls as well Mar 23 20:49:23 that should shut up att Mar 23 20:49:25 If i had a need for two phones, the evo would be my second :O Mar 23 20:50:22 I may get a gsm pre and move the evo to my main line Mar 23 20:51:33 actually, I may just get both on my sprint line and use the evo as an internet connection Mar 23 20:52:05 shooot. I want it. Mar 23 20:53:07 supersonic was a cooler name than evo... Mar 23 20:53:15 I do to, but not enough to get rid of my pre Mar 23 20:53:26 halfhalo: same Mar 23 20:53:28 yeah, and eos is cooler than pixi, yet look what we have Mar 23 20:54:57 I sure hope palm releases a new webOS device this summer Mar 23 20:55:05 (or sooner!) Mar 23 20:55:48 I hate to say it but unless there is a new webos device by the time my upgrade gets here I may end up replacing my pre with something newer and getting a gsm pre to use as a dev phone Mar 23 20:56:29 when's your upgrade? Mar 23 20:56:31 june? Mar 23 20:56:36 I mean, I WANT to buy a new palm device, but... Mar 23 20:56:39 yeah, june 6th Mar 23 20:57:02 halfhalo: Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Mar 23 20:59:35 considering wimax was just announced for LA, this is incredibly tempting Mar 23 21:00:09 If there's no announcement by upgrade time, I just might go for the evo Mar 23 21:00:18 no palm announcement Mar 23 21:01:16 I'm already seeing ads everywhere Mar 23 21:04:10 Also, dammit, is there a way to make the Palm Pre work with a stylus? My fingers a huge and clunky. Mar 23 21:04:28 get a stylus for the iPhone Mar 23 21:04:32 it'll work with the pre Mar 23 21:04:36 yeah Mar 23 21:05:15 Oh. Because my Palm Treo stylus doesn't work with the Pre. Mar 23 21:05:41 capacitive screens require a different kind of stylus Mar 23 21:05:53 in Korea, they use individually wrapped sausages. Mar 23 21:06:17 Zemyla: it won't work on the iPhone either... They need special ones. Mar 23 21:07:50 special sausages? Mar 23 21:07:54 I'm sad to say it, but I think many of the pre users now will jump ship to the Evo come june Mar 23 21:07:55 g'night everyone Mar 23 21:08:50 cya Mar 23 21:08:57 buby Mar 23 21:09:21 Palm NEEDS to announce an awesome device before the evo launches Mar 23 21:09:41 hell, they don't need to annouce crap, just leak it Mar 23 21:10:52 palm: I'd be happy to send your "internal photos" to the big gadget blogs Mar 23 21:11:01 smae Mar 23 21:11:02 same Mar 23 21:11:13 AND I will tell you whats crap about it if you let me play with one Mar 23 21:16:42 Tibfib: What's the best way to keep a stylus with the pre, which has no stylus holes? Mar 23 21:17:40 pocket? Mar 23 21:36:07 does a stylus even work on the Pre? it's haptic, no? Mar 23 21:36:16 wtf is the Evo? Mar 23 21:36:18 capacitive Mar 23 21:36:30 oh nvm Mar 23 21:36:33 the evo is the 4g wimax phone htc just released Mar 23 21:36:37 yeah. one of the pitfalls of scrolling backwards to read. Mar 23 21:36:44 what OS does it run? Mar 23 21:36:49 android Mar 23 21:36:50 android 2.1 Mar 23 21:36:58 with sense Mar 23 21:36:59 ah. Mar 23 21:37:25 You can use any meat product as a stylus. I recommend something shaped like a slim jim, but not an actual one as those are too greasy Mar 23 21:38:39 Well on second thought it should still work if left in the packaging Mar 23 21:39:19 Must resist the dark side.... Mar 23 21:39:20 wait, they didn't call it Supersonic? Mar 23 21:39:30 nope Mar 23 21:39:31 I just realized that Mar 23 21:39:38 dang, that's lame Mar 23 21:39:51 its also bad news for palm Mar 23 21:39:59 I thought EVO was the new name for EVDO Mar 23 21:40:13 It looks like it will be out right as many of the early adopters of the pre get a new phone upgrade Mar 23 21:41:35 I think I may be one of those people Mar 23 21:41:43 as much as it pains me to say it Mar 23 21:41:57 It just offers to much for me to not stay with my pre Mar 23 21:43:17 Wonder how much 4g plans will cost though Mar 23 21:43:25 usually 10 more per month Mar 23 21:45:20 Would I be willing to sacrifice a year old phone for a brand new one with wimax (huge for me), a huge screen, and amazing hardware but a lesser os? I think I might, and I know plenty of other people will Mar 23 21:46:11 Argggh... I wish I liked android more. Mar 23 21:46:18 Maybe when 3.0 rolls out Mar 23 21:47:00 then, I'd go for it. Android just bothers me too much Mar 23 21:47:20 Its to fractured for me to care right now Mar 23 21:47:25 but its damn tempting Mar 23 21:48:20 hi everyone! Mar 23 21:48:31 hey Mar 23 21:48:33 ello Mar 23 21:48:45 were having an evo discussion Mar 23 21:49:04 an evo discussion...? Mar 23 21:49:12 Sprint Evo 4G Mar 23 21:49:16 Wimax android Mar 23 21:49:28 best specs on a phone ever Mar 23 21:49:46 aaah Mar 23 21:50:00 it may be the thing that kills palm Mar 23 21:50:12 front facing camera - think they are planning some video chat functionality with that nice fat WiMAX connection? heh Mar 23 21:50:18 HTC should be licensing webOS Mar 23 21:50:25 Yup Mar 23 21:50:34 android sucks Mar 23 21:50:42 palm just needs to set really strict hardware requirements Mar 23 21:50:43 codeslaw_: you mean Palm should be licensing webOS. Mar 23 21:50:49 codeslaw: +! Mar 23 21:50:51 The fact that it looks to come out in june is horrible/great timing depending on your perspective Mar 23 21:50:53 hi,, can u tell me what does this code do?

#{-listElements}

Mar 23 21:50:56 * Tibfib meant +1 Mar 23 21:51:03 EvanDotPro: yes, the should be licensing TO htc Mar 23 21:51:04 so they don't end up with the clusterfuck that android has become Mar 23 21:51:13 Consider mobile skype with a 4G connection - I can not even fathom how much businesses will want that Mar 23 21:51:13 codeslaw_: right :) Mar 23 21:51:57 rohit1: that's put in your list template, and #{-listElemets} is replaced with your list items Mar 23 21:52:02 pre/pixi marketing has put it in the crapper, i think we can all agree Mar 23 21:52:04 honestly, i don't even use a list template, just an item template Mar 23 21:52:14 but rolling webOS into some new sexy hardware could save the platform Mar 23 21:52:34 yes yes yes Mar 23 21:52:38 If palm does not release new hardware in june, they are dead Mar 23 21:52:44 yeah Mar 23 21:52:50 halfhalo: yes Mar 23 21:53:06 They will lose the only support they have right now which is the early adopters, and withought that its over Mar 23 21:53:10 everyone will be ready for upgrades... and if there's no new pre. They/we are going to evo! Mar 23 21:53:10 i'd prefer it if palm could survive without licensing webos to others, though Mar 23 21:53:22 but HTC makes awesome shit. webOS is linux based, and superior to android, moreso when PDK goes public Mar 23 21:53:26 it makes TOO MUCH sense Mar 23 21:53:28 halfhalo: they damn well better... i could sell my used toothbrush for more than i could let go of my Palm shares right now. Mar 23 21:53:29 so it prob wont happen Mar 23 21:53:34 Tibfib: actually, i'd probably migrate to an iPhone :P Mar 23 21:53:47 android doesn't interest me in the slightest Mar 23 21:54:00 Right about now is a good time to leak pictures of a new phone Mar 23 21:54:13 android doesn't interest me, but apples appstore BS infuriates me to the point of not wanting to dev for them Mar 23 21:54:13 jlazaroff: hah. Me either... but still android >>>> iphoneos Mar 23 21:54:28 it goes like this: Mar 23 21:54:45 webos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> android = wp7s >>>>>> iphone Mar 23 21:54:56 bbl, driving home Mar 23 21:55:09 nah, iPhone OS is way better than android/windows phone 7 series Mar 23 21:55:23 it's just that apple has to completely control everything Mar 23 21:55:25 windows phone 7 tastes bad in my mouth Mar 23 21:55:36 multitasking? come on Mar 23 21:55:41