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Mar 25 03:01:00 <haeffb> this.selectorsModelr.choices = [{label: "Pick a state first", currentRiver: "Pick a state first"}]
Mar 25 03:01:49 <haeffb> this.states needs to have currentState rather than value
Mar 25 03:02:27 <haeffb> similar for the rivers choices. use currentRiver rather than value.
Mar 25 03:03:04 <haeffb> in both cases, because you've set modelProperty to currentState and currentRiver. So the model is looking for that property of the choices array.
Mar 25 03:06:58 <LoneStar99> people still awake?
Mar 25 03:07:02 <BigBiff_> ya - was working off the sample on that, just kept the "value"
Mar 25 03:07:58 <BigBiff_> what i dont get is that currently, if you uncomment the second model choices, the list selectors choices all show up
Mar 25 03:08:50 <haeffb> you can also look at event.value. er...event.currentState to see what was selected, then use a switch(event.currentState) {...} to choose the correct rivers model
Mar 25 03:09:39 <haeffb> which selectors? both?
Mar 25 03:09:46 <BigBiff_> yes
Mar 25 03:10:00 <BigBiff_> if i set the 2nd choice to one of the arrays
Mar 25 03:10:08 <BigBiff_> they both show up
Mar 25 03:10:15 <haeffb> yeah, they should.
Mar 25 03:10:18 <BigBiff_> im just stuck on the conditional
Mar 25 03:10:28 <haeffb> did you get rid of the == ?
Mar 25 03:10:32 <BigBiff_> ya
Mar 25 03:10:35 <EvanDotPro> by the way, nevermind about my question, hadn't fully read the downloadmanager docs
Mar 25 03:11:23 <haeffb> I would write that as:
Mar 25 03:11:33 <BigBiff_> i think i need a "  if event type == mojo.event. something?
Mar 25 03:11:34 <haeffb> switch (event.currentState) {
Mar 25 03:11:46 <BigBiff_> ah
Mar 25 03:11:54 <haeffb> case 'tennessee':
Mar 25 03:12:21 <BigBiff_> i'll give it a shot
Mar 25 03:12:30 <haeffb> this.selectorsModelr.choices == this.riverstn;
Mar 25 03:12:30 <haeffb> 			this.controller.modelChanged(this.selectorsModelr);
Mar 25 03:12:36 <haeffb> break;
Mar 25 03:12:38 <haeffb> case...
Mar 25 03:13:06 <haeffb> it *might* not be event.currentState. not sure, since you've changed the modelProperty. but I expect so.
Mar 25 03:13:29 <haeffb> you can add Mojo.Log.info("Event %j", event); to see what's being passed in event.
Mar 25 03:13:42 <BigBiff_> even better
Mar 25 03:15:01 <haeffb> also, since you've set the default state to 'tennessee' you should just use the tennessee rivers for the default river selector choices.
Mar 25 03:17:25 <BigBiff_> right - that's where im at
Mar 25 03:22:11 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone have an webOS news to report?   rwhitby?
Mar 25 03:22:38 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: Save/Restore
Mar 25 03:22:46 <Roy-Pre101> Yep, got that.
Mar 25 03:22:53 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: Swiss Open Source Expo
Mar 25 03:23:14 <Roy-Pre101> Question for you regarding save/restore.  Does the database script back up all databases?
Mar 25 03:23:33 <Roy-Pre101> i.e.  Will it back up my passwords from Keyring, for example?
Mar 25 03:23:41 <Roy-Pre101> i.e. e.g.
Mar 25 03:24:10 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: depends.  if keyring just uses stock palm databases, then all we need to do is add a symlink and it is supported
Mar 25 03:25:17 <Roy-Pre101> Yep, I back it up manually by copying the 000000000007.db (or whatever number it ends up being)
Mar 25 03:25:28 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: do "sqlite3 /var/palm/data/Databases.db .dump | grep keyring"
Mar 25 03:25:38 <rwhitby> I can add a script to support it now
Mar 25 03:26:25 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: this one? http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/keyring
Mar 25 03:26:32 <Roy-Pre101> yes
Mar 25 03:27:17 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: what's the output of that command?
Mar 25 03:27:56 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=commit;h=63418ab18aedf2ae84a6674d790ab1e61aa7dd8a
Mar 25 03:28:02 <Roy-Pre101> NSERT INTO "Origins" VALUES('file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.otisbean.keyring_0',1024);
Mar 25 03:28:02 <Roy-Pre101> INSERT INTO "Databases" VALUES(35,'file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.otisbean.keyring_0','keyring','keyring',0,'0000000000000023.db');
Mar 25 03:28:15 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: ok, it's supported now.
Mar 25 03:28:26 <Roy-Pre101> schweet.
Mar 25 03:28:56 <rwhitby> I'm looking for a world-wide team of open source developers to work on the GUI for it
Mar 25 03:29:31 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: what u need help with?
Mar 25 03:29:55 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=tree
Mar 25 03:30:40 <Roy-Pre101> com.palm.app.messaging gets IM and text message history?
Mar 25 03:31:03 <rwhitby> it prints out a '|' delimited CSV of SMS and IM
Mar 25 03:31:56 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: what does it do?
Mar 25 03:32:00 <rwhitby> You should note that all the scripts are pretty much completely untested and should not be relied upon.  Alpha testers need to be prepared to lose data in a worst case.
Mar 25 03:32:07 <Roy-Pre101> Is there a wiki page on save restore?
Mar 25 03:32:16 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: http://bit.ly/saverestore
Mar 25 03:33:21 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: we're thinking of doing a bounty scheme, where if someone wants an app supported, then they donate twice the cost of the app, so that the developer who does it can support that app and also buy another app of their choosing.
Mar 25 03:33:48 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: sounds pretty badass
Mar 25 03:34:23 <rwhitby> it's a pretty powerful generic architecture.  effectively it's a generic script runner.
Mar 25 03:35:32 <Roy-Pre101> nice.  Should I put that into the post?
Mar 25 03:35:58 <LoneStar99> it has to be small an quick
Mar 25 03:36:27 <rwhitby> e.g. you could write a script which saves the list of homebrew apps and patches that you have installed, and then restore goes and reinstalls them all after a webOS Doctor and partial erase.
Mar 25 03:37:02 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: it's /bin/sh, called from C - not much is quicker than that on Linux
Mar 25 03:37:35 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: feel free to put the bounty idea in the post if you like
Mar 25 03:39:21 <LoneStar99> oh yeah
Mar 25 03:40:06 <rwhitby> So, I just found the last bug in the installation scripts for the overclocking guys, so that should be coming out soon.
Mar 25 03:40:50 <Bmyers> is overclocking getting more stable is it?
Mar 25 03:41:12 <rwhitby> Bmyers: dunno.  I'm just a safe packaging consultant, like I was for MyTether.
Mar 25 03:41:44 <rwhitby> If people are gonna be installing stuff, I don't want it to cause Preware to be blamed when it can't be uninstalled.
Mar 25 03:42:48 <LoneStar99> i want to run wii-games using pre-ware can that be done?
Mar 25 03:42:57 <LoneStar99> jk
Mar 25 03:43:18 <rwhitby> I'm personally staying out of the "Is overclocking safe" discussion, cause I know too much from my real job, and most of it is under NDA.
Mar 25 03:43:43 <bpadalino> i thought webos-internals was your real job :(
Mar 25 03:44:04 <rwhitby> bpadalino: it would be a pretty poorly paid one if it was.
Mar 25 03:44:15 <bpadalino> i just thought you were independently wealthy
Mar 25 03:44:21 <rwhitby> HA!
Mar 25 03:44:24 <LoneStar99> me too
Mar 25 03:44:29 <bpadalino> and powered by open source
Mar 25 03:44:36 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: i need a new laptop
Mar 25 03:44:53 <bpadalino> all my ideals of you are being shattered!
Mar 25 03:45:00 <rwhitby> bpadalino: I have two kids, how could I possibly be wealthy in any way shape or form.
Mar 25 03:45:16 <bpadalino> rwhitby: doesn't bill gates have a couple kids ?
Mar 25 03:45:23 <bpadalino> i think he has some cash to spare
Mar 25 03:45:36 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yeah, but he runs a multi-billion dollar corporation.
Mar 25 03:45:48 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: we all need some macbooks
Mar 25 03:45:56 <bpadalino> rwhitby: so seriously, what do you do for your real job ?
Mar 25 03:46:09 <rwhitby> bpadalino: google knows
Mar 25 03:46:31 <bpadalino> note: searching for "what does rod whitby do for reals" does not yield any good results
Mar 25 03:46:37 <bpadalino> more conventional means must be tried
Mar 25 03:47:09 <bpadalino> you're a CTO - you aren't wealthy ?
Mar 25 03:47:17 <rwhitby> um, no.
Mar 25 03:48:32 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: u ever heard of superwaba?
Mar 25 03:48:49 <rwhitby> if I was wealthy I'd be able to afford to fly to the US to attend conferences and stuff.
Mar 25 03:49:21 <bpadalino> that is true
Mar 25 03:49:28 <bpadalino> but i thought you might just be stingy :)
Mar 25 03:49:43 <bpadalino> good to know you aren't stingy!
Mar 25 03:50:37 <rwhitby> Well, when the GFC causes you to take a 30% pay cut, you do need to be a bit stingy.
Mar 25 03:51:41 <bpadalino> GFC ?
Mar 25 03:51:49 <rwhitby> global financial crisis
Mar 25 03:51:53 <bpadalino> ah gotcha
Mar 25 03:52:13 <rwhitby> anyway, back to webOS. you guys don't want to hear about my problems.
Mar 25 03:53:20 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: please mention that WebOS Internals needs more GUI folks to put great front-ends on our powerful underlying technologies.
Mar 25 03:53:39 <Roy-Pre101> Will do
Mar 25 03:53:46 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: but the participants need to be able to give up ownership of the code to a group development process.
Mar 25 03:54:01 <rwhitby> it's no longer "my" code when you work on it.
Mar 25 03:57:40 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: oh, for webOS owners outside of the US, a www.simon.com giftaccount works well for the Sprint app catalog.
Mar 25 03:58:07 * rwhitby still has $30 left to spend on apps - what should I buy?
Mar 25 03:58:17 <LoneStar99> buildasearch
Mar 25 03:59:00 <LoneStar99> you all have tesco downunder?
Mar 25 03:59:02 <Roy-Pre101> Oh, that would have been interesting to share.
Mar 25 03:59:16 <Roy-Pre101> Just published.  I had to get it out.  Was running out of time
Mar 25 03:59:21 <Roy-Pre101> http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/03/wednesday-news-roundup-rumor-roundup/
Mar 25 03:59:29 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: You can probably find a typo in there, I was rushed.
Mar 25 04:01:08 <LoneStar99> palm is the new apple
Mar 25 04:01:27 <Roy-Pre101> I don't know who's tweeting @web05hitz but every thime I see it I think  web O'shitz.
Mar 25 04:01:41 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: in the even*t* that you need
Mar 25 04:02:08 <Roy-Pre101> I knew it was in there somewhere.
Mar 25 04:02:09 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: and Save/Restore is really still in early development, not alpha testing yet :)
Mar 25 04:02:18 <Roy-Pre101> oookay.
Mar 25 04:02:36 <rwhitby> i.e. it's actually non-functional at the UI level
Mar 25 04:03:22 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: buy http://uoid.me/palm4 and give me a techies feedback
Mar 25 04:09:35 <rwhitby> so, Feeds and Scoop.  Need a Google-Reader linked RSS app that can do offline downloads only when on wifi
Mar 25 04:10:19 <Roy-Pre101> There's a great matching game called Match 'Em.
Mar 25 04:10:46 <Roy-Pre101> ;)
Mar 25 04:10:51 <rwhitby> in the little spare time I have, I've been playing Glyder2
Mar 25 04:13:24 <LoneStar99> what about a search better than the official app catalog?
Mar 25 04:13:31 <Roy-Pre101> Glyder2 is excellent, imo.
Mar 25 04:14:43 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: it's a game that calms, as opposed to most games.
Mar 25 04:16:14 <Roy-Pre101> It can be a little addicting trying to get all the achievements and such.
Mar 25 04:18:58 <rwhitby> I just realised that Save/Restore could be used as a mechanism to distribute "cheats"
Mar 25 04:19:11 <rwhitby> (i.e. saved games that have all the stuff already achieved)
Mar 25 04:19:43 <BigBiff_> haeffb:  i feel really dumb now that i got working
Mar 25 04:20:59 <BigBiff_> solution was so simple
Mar 25 04:21:32 <BigBiff_> as always, i apprec your help - now for a beer and bed
Mar 25 04:21:36 <BigBiff_> night all
Mar 25 04:21:42 <LoneStar99> laters
Mar 25 04:29:01 <LoneStar99> just love xml and json every all works at the end
Mar 25 05:11:53 <ron_frown> ladies
Mar 25 05:17:35 <LoneStar99> mens
Mar 25 05:22:59 <ron_frown> whats new
Mar 25 05:25:57 <LoneStar99> nothig much just chillin
Mar 25 05:27:26 <LoneStar99> i started with palm pilot, it will never end
Mar 25 05:27:35 <jlazaroff> hi everyone! :)
Mar 25 05:28:05 <LoneStar99> hallo
Mar 25 05:31:42 <ron_frown> started with palm pilot?
Mar 25 05:32:00 <ron_frown> if they could get their asses in gear and plop webos on new hardware and get whats there working well for devs
Mar 25 05:32:05 <ron_frown> I think they'd be home free
Mar 25 05:33:52 <ron_frown> well hopefully I can take a crack at hosting my pdk bits on my webos phone tonight
Mar 25 05:34:08 <LoneStar99> yeah the palm pilot
Mar 25 05:34:40 <LoneStar99> palm has built the next OS for anything
Mar 25 06:21:09 <jlazaroff> anyone up...?
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Mar 25 17:33:19 <digitalpowers> chuqui or anyone from palm here? I am curious what Auidble.com's excuse is for not creating an app, I assume you know they blame it on you guys.  I am just curious not really important but it seems interesting it works on classic emulator but they cant make it work themselves
Mar 25 17:34:08 <chuqui> I haven't been directly involved with audible, so I really don't know...
Mar 25 17:34:38 <digitalpowers> good deal, stupid audible needs to get in gear they have had a year now
Mar 25 17:40:10 <funkatron> I will punch audible IN THE FACE
Mar 25 17:40:22 <halfhalo_T400> ok.....
Mar 25 17:40:59 <digitalpowers> haha, can i punch them to? i am very sick of having to muck around to listen to my audio books, it is the only thing that i miss about a windows mobile device
Mar 25 17:46:19 <digitalpowers> in all honisty if i hadnt gotten a pre for my birthday in January I would have waited to see who got audible first, webos or android and gone with them
Mar 25 17:56:12 <lemketron> We can't comment on what specific developers are doing, but the official answer from marketing is "We are actively working with many great 3rd party developers to bring additional solutions to webOS.  Stay Tuned."  The availability of the PDK should help in this regard as well...
Mar 25 17:58:22 <Kuraiou> I need to read up more on OpenGL ES 2.0
Mar 25 17:58:30 <Kuraiou> since I'm working on a PDK game now.
Mar 25 17:58:44 <Kuraiou> and we're trying to figure out portability between different kinds of phones (obviously, I'm in charge of the webOS side of things)
Mar 25 18:02:58 <Kuraiou> ah, man, I'm so excited for it too. LUA bindings are freaking awesome.
Mar 25 18:12:04 <halfhalo_T400> sooooo
Mar 25 18:12:07 <halfhalo_T400> I just missed a call
Mar 25 18:12:13 <halfhalo_T400> phone never rang
Mar 25 18:13:18 <Roy-Pre101> spooooooky.
Mar 25 18:13:33 <halfhalo_T400> or my phone is being retarted again
Mar 25 18:20:00 <kmudrick> halfhalo_T400: i think i read in the forums this morning that sometimes the phone app closes from garbage collection, and people miss calls
Mar 25 18:20:44 <halfhalo_T400> the phone app wasn't open
Mar 25 18:20:51 <halfhalo_T400> and my phone was just sitting there
Mar 25 18:33:32 <haeffb_pre> yawn. not gettin much done at work today.
Mar 25 18:33:40 <halfhalo> same
Mar 25 18:33:42 <halfhalo> but still
Mar 25 18:33:51 <halfhalo> its warm in here
Mar 25 18:36:34 <haeffb_pre> had a big lunch. sleepy.
Mar 25 18:36:49 <halfhalo> encoding a 600mb video on my laptop
Mar 25 18:36:51 <halfhalo> funfunfun
Mar 25 18:37:33 <halfhalo> its only 30 seconds as well
Mar 25 18:39:10 <halfhalo> -_-
Mar 25 18:39:20 <halfhalo> it didn't save my resolution
Mar 25 18:46:55 <Bmyers> lemketron: are you able help with app catalog problems?
Mar 25 18:48:48 <jlazaroff> hi everyone! :)
Mar 25 18:48:56 <halfhalo> hola
Mar 25 18:48:58 <Kuraiou> hoi
Mar 25 18:49:09 <halfhalo> im using ie6 right now
Mar 25 18:49:14 * halfhalo shudders
Mar 25 18:50:35 <halfhalo> using a vm to connect to a remote computer which is running another vm
Mar 25 18:50:42 <halfhalo> seems..... hellish
Mar 25 18:55:16 <jlazaroff> halfhalo: WHY D':
Mar 25 18:55:40 <halfhalo> Because the mbp is connected via ethernet
Mar 25 18:55:52 <jlazaroff> no, i mean why ie6
Mar 25 18:56:06 <halfhalo> oh, because the only thing I use the vm for is steam
Mar 25 18:58:33 <jlazaroff> aaaah
Mar 25 19:36:12 * Templarian goes into a rant.
Mar 25 19:36:21 <halfhalo> what did you do.....
Mar 25 19:36:34 <Templarian> Palm's dumb calendar application sucks it corrupted basically.
Mar 25 19:37:01 <Templarian> People need to be shot over this, every one of my events moved by exactly 1 hour lol.
Mar 25 19:37:15 <halfhalo> hahaha
Mar 25 19:37:16 <jlazaroff> ouch
Mar 25 19:40:15 <Templarian> Yep it's stuck this way. chuqui you need to sacrifice one of them to teach the others. It's the only way.
Mar 25 19:40:47 * Templarian completely believes the community manager has this ability.
Mar 25 19:41:09 <halfhalo> Sacrifice by fire?
Mar 25 19:41:12 <chuqui> no palm people here. Nope. none.
Mar 25 19:41:17 * halfhalo will sell tickets
Mar 25 19:41:55 <Templarian> Eguy: that's not helpful.
Mar 25 19:41:56 <chuqui> I have popcorn. but only one bag.
Mar 25 19:42:14 <Templarian> Okay pretend to give them some and then don't.
Mar 25 19:42:16 <Eguy> Templarian:?
Mar 25 19:42:18 <halfhalo> they sell popcorn next door, so thats covered
Mar 25 19:43:02 <Templarian> They have it in the vending machines here since the employees didn't want to bring it from home.
Mar 25 19:43:10 <halfhalo> heh
Mar 25 19:43:16 <Templarian> We also have double A batteries. :)
Mar 25 19:43:29 <halfhalo> Theres a fake 7-11 next door
Mar 25 19:43:40 <Templarian> define: fake
Mar 25 19:43:41 <Eguy> What's a fake 7-11?
Mar 25 19:43:51 <halfhalo> as in its run by the school
Mar 25 19:43:55 <halfhalo> but has slurpees
Mar 25 19:44:00 <Templarian> Awesome.
Mar 25 19:44:01 <Eguy> Blasphemy!
Mar 25 19:44:10 <Eguy> No one can fake a slurpee.
Mar 25 19:44:14 <Templarian> Yesterday's mythbusters really makes me want a slurpy.
Mar 25 19:44:22 <Eguy> Yeah, that was awesome.
Mar 25 19:44:23 <halfhalo> didn't watch it
Mar 25 19:44:30 <halfhalo> I'll catch it on vod later
Mar 25 19:44:35 <Eguy> What did you want me in here for Templarian?
Mar 25 19:44:47 <Templarian> oh to read my rant I figured you were already joined.
Mar 25 19:44:55 <Eguy> Nah.
Mar 25 19:45:06 <Eguy> Paste it in -watercooler.
Mar 25 19:45:44 <sebastianha> could anyone from the us please lookup if "waketube" is in the us catalog? It disappeared from the german catalog after an update.
Mar 25 19:46:23 * halfhalo is seeing how compressed this video is
Mar 25 19:46:25 * Templarian checks.
Mar 25 19:47:06 <Templarian> nope
Mar 25 19:47:09 <sebastianha> lol
Mar 25 19:47:10 <halfhalo> http://www.silentbluesystems.com/Downloads/FRAPS/JustCause2%202010-03-24%2019-23-46-48.wmv
Mar 25 19:47:16 <halfhalo> Small version of party blimp
Mar 25 19:47:26 <sebastianha> Templarian: is virtualcrossgolf there?
Mar 25 19:47:50 <Templarian> Yes.
Mar 25 19:47:54 <sebastianha> Templarian: thanks
Mar 25 19:47:58 <Templarian> np
Mar 25 19:48:02 <sebastianha> the apps disappeared after an update!
Mar 25 19:48:52 <chuqui> send me an email with those missing apps, I'll get it to the people looking into it. that's part of a larger issue that's ongoing.
Mar 25 19:49:19 <sebastianha> It is on its way, thanks
Mar 25 19:49:46 <sebastianha> should I look for older apps, too?
Mar 25 19:51:40 <chuqui> okay, passed that email onto the team looking into it, so your app will get tracked with the problem.
Mar 25 19:51:49 <sebastianha> thanks
Mar 25 19:52:04 <sebastianha> older apps should not be affected?
Mar 25 19:57:46 <chuqui> I'm not sure what's affective or not yet.
Mar 25 19:57:52 <chuqui> affective? sihg.
Mar 25 19:57:59 <sebastianha> ok
Mar 25 19:58:12 <sebastianha> at least in germany any other app seems ok
Mar 25 19:58:27 <sebastianha> just 2 of 3 updated
Mar 25 19:58:31 <sebastianha> disappeared
Mar 25 20:10:09 <Kuraiou> very strange.
Mar 25 20:16:18 <Monroe> hey ho
Mar 25 20:23:15 * Monroe watches tumbleweeds blow through #webos
Mar 25 20:23:30 <halfhalo> KABAM
Mar 25 20:23:41 <Monroe> I think you mean KBAM!
Mar 25 20:24:08 <Monroe> oh .. hehe ... you probably have no idea what KBAM! is :)
Mar 25 20:24:26 <Monroe> too much work for me, too little time in #webos
Mar 25 20:24:38 <halfhalo> lol
Mar 25 20:25:05 <Monroe> So .. I'm trying to figure out why no one has written an app for Orb yet
Mar 25 20:25:26 <halfhalo> I was going to
Mar 25 20:25:35 <halfhalo> then i saw the api terms
Mar 25 20:25:44 <Monroe> ah
Mar 25 20:25:49 <halfhalo> which basically state cant release it without paying them
Mar 25 20:25:53 <Monroe> I haven't looked at the terms
Mar 25 20:26:10 <Monroe> can you release it for free under GPL or something?
Mar 25 20:26:32 <halfhalo> you can, but then every person would need to get an api key to run it
Mar 25 20:26:59 <Monroe> lol, so they've basically made their api useless .. good job orb
Mar 25 20:27:34 <halfhalo> yeah
Mar 25 20:27:43 <halfhalo> I may make on for private use though
Mar 25 20:27:45 <halfhalo> depends
Mar 25 20:28:05 <halfhalo> got alot of other stuff to do as well
Mar 25 20:29:51 <Kuraiou> guh. I'm so nervous about my next app that's not the crappy app...
Mar 25 20:30:02 <Kuraiou> even though it'll probably be a few months before it's even done
Mar 25 20:30:03 <Kuraiou> x.x
Mar 25 20:30:07 <halfhalo> ?
Mar 25 20:30:12 <gaffo_home> hey all, what's the current working directory when I'm running under a "game" type app with the PDK in a bundled app?
Mar 25 20:30:16 <Monroe> how come you're nervous?
Mar 25 20:30:25 <Kuraiou> because it's just a very big thing, and it's only myself and one other person doing it.
Mar 25 20:30:37 <Monroe> gaffo: dunno .. haven't used the PDK yet
Mar 25 20:30:37 <Kuraiou> very, very complicated.
Mar 25 20:30:46 <Monroe> ah
Mar 25 20:32:20 <Monroe> ok, well I got to run
Mar 25 20:32:32 <Kuraiou> latah
Mar 25 20:32:33 <Monroe> Band practice then home to watch UK kick Cornell's ass!
Mar 25 20:32:37 <halfhalo> have fun
Mar 25 21:06:52 <rwhitby> morning
Mar 25 21:11:02 <Kuraiou> ohayou
Mar 25 22:05:35 <Tibfib> Is this the proper way to do custom fields for creating contacts? http://webos.pastebin.com/GT4rZcsR
Mar 25 22:07:41 <Tibfib> I tried customField and customFields (as suggested by the docs)
Mar 25 22:10:15 <Kuraiou> Tibfib: does every custom field have a namae and value?
Mar 25 22:10:29 <Kuraiou> yeah, it should probably be....
Mar 25 22:11:01 <Kuraiou> customFields: [ {name: 'customField1', value: cf1val}, {name: 'customField2', value: cf2val}, ..... ]
Mar 25 22:11:06 <Kuraiou> array of hashes
Mar 25 22:11:22 <Tibfib> okay I'll try that... thanks.
Mar 25 22:12:00 <Kuraiou> NP.
Mar 25 22:14:22 <Tibfib> hmm... http://webos.pastebin.com/gb9kmRVZ still doesn't work
Mar 25 22:14:33 <Tibfib> The contact gets created, it just doesn't display the custom field
Mar 25 22:15:33 <Kuraiou> maybe you need extra work to display the custom field?
Mar 25 22:15:36 <Kuraiou> I don't know how that stuff works
Mar 25 22:16:02 <Tibfib> I thought it would be straight forward... :/... Maybe I'll just use the IM address one
Mar 25 22:16:15 <Kuraiou> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1701#Contacts-CustomField
Mar 25 22:49:35 <JasonLP> Hey all
Mar 25 23:00:39 <jlazaroff> question: when i say something like this.cookie = new Mojo.Model.Cookie("accounts"); var accountsCookie = this.cookie.get(); what does accountsCookie actually contain?
Mar 25 23:01:11 <Tibfib> hmm... wonderful, my app is now longer in the catalog
Mar 25 23:01:26 <Tibfib> s/now/no
Mar 25 23:14:03 <gaffo_home> hey all, what's the current working directory when I'm running under a "game" type app with the PDK in a bundled app?
Mar 25 23:36:15 <dthought> where does one get a COMPLETE list of available luna-service calls?
Mar 26 00:01:38 <Tibfib> sooo... I have a question... for the chat app I'm making. How would you (as a user) like contacts to be handled? Should they just be in the app? Or should I have the app create a contacts account and work from there?
Mar 26 00:23:45 <haeffb> what contact info does the app need?
Mar 26 00:24:03 <Tibfib> Nothing really
Mar 26 00:24:22 <Tibfib> Oh... sorry. Name and username basically
Mar 26 00:26:20 <haeffb> is that info likely to be in some other contacts account?
Mar 26 00:26:47 <haeffb> for instance, can you show an img of the user based on some other contact info?
Mar 26 00:27:02 <Tibfib> not currently
Mar 26 00:28:07 <Tibfib> it could be on another account. A feature I'm hoping to make is a 'username lookup" (requires non-public apis), which would work better if I made a contact account.
Mar 26 00:28:57 <Tibfib> the username lookup would be based on email/phone number (which would be provided by users, but NEVER shown to anyone ever)
Mar 26 00:32:17 <haeffb> ideally, the app would be able to access all the contacts on my phone. in an ideal world. Not this one.
Mar 26 00:34:06 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/modern-combat-sandstorm
Mar 26 00:34:10 <Tibfib> nice
Mar 26 00:34:44 <Tibfib> haeffb: Yeah, it needs to be handled like "location services"... prompt the user, let them know. Then there is no privacy problem
Mar 26 00:38:11 <Tibfib> I can't decide. It isn't really necessary, but I'd like to keep with the whole "synergy" thing
Mar 26 00:40:39 <haeffb> well, you can't do much synergy today
Mar 26 01:17:03 <LoneStar99> hello folks
Mar 26 01:18:43 <haeffb> hello Lone
Mar 26 01:18:46 <haeffb> Star
Mar 26 01:18:47 <haeffb> 99
Mar 26 01:21:14 <LoneStar99> howdy
Mar 26 01:25:22 <Tibfib> hello
Mar 26 01:25:27 <LoneStar99> pretty silent in da channel
Mar 26 01:29:12 <haeffb> strange issue.
Mar 26 01:29:25 <LoneStar99> yeah
Mar 26 01:29:36 <haeffb> have a single user - app doesn't create tables in database.
Mar 26 01:30:16 <LoneStar99> boo
Mar 26 01:30:18 <LoneStar99> ok laters
Mar 26 01:30:28 <haeffb> I have no idea why. Works for everyone else. as far as I can tell.
Mar 26 01:32:03 <Tibfib> haeffb: some other dev use the same db name?
Mar 26 01:33:17 <haeffb> it would have to be the same app id.
Mar 26 01:33:30 <haeffb> the db is being created. just no tables.
Mar 26 01:33:54 <haeffb> it's an ext: database. maybe his phone is full of stuff...?
Mar 26 01:34:37 <Tibfib> maybe
Mar 26 01:34:42 <Tibfib> ask him?
Mar 26 01:35:00 <haeffb> I am/did.
Mar 26 01:35:21 <Templarian> Yes my brother worked with the guys that write the W3C spec and finally got it changed: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-MouseEvent-buttons
Mar 26 01:36:44 <haeffb> relevant code: http://www.pastie.org/887673
Mar 26 01:41:18 <Tibfib> haeffb: i bet it's the device, not your code.
Mar 26 01:43:20 <haeffb> so, I tell him to do a full erase and reinstall my app.... ? :)
Mar 26 02:24:05 <funkatron> rwhitby: well just because you complained, I added theme switching to Spaz
Mar 26 02:24:32 <rwhitby> funkatron: I hope I put it nicer than a complaint ;-)
Mar 26 02:24:44 <funkatron> muahah
Mar 26 02:24:48 <rwhitby> funkatron: in git or released?
Mar 26 02:24:54 <funkatron> nah, I wanted to do it anyway. I just pushed it to git
Mar 26 02:25:09 <funkatron> the "preware" theme is still mucked up some, but the guts are there to support themes
Mar 26 02:25:19 <funkatron> err, pushed it to github
Mar 26 02:26:02 <funkatron> anyway, this: http://github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos/tree/themesupport
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