**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 30 02:59:57 2010 Mar 30 03:00:08 rwhitby: nice job Mar 30 03:00:23 it looks great Mar 30 03:02:03 Congrats Rod. Mar 30 03:02:14 Hi Jen -- where are you that you're on wirc? Mar 30 03:03:10 rick-home: mourning done? Mar 30 03:03:17 long sense thanks Mar 30 03:07:56 nice sold 1 app today after about a week of not selling any Mar 30 03:08:12 nice Mar 30 03:10:20 it is meant to be sacrastic, but one is better than none, it is a known bug, but hopefully will be fixed soon Mar 30 03:10:43 ah Mar 30 03:10:51 I havent sold any this week Mar 30 03:11:00 although i havent updated it in a week Mar 30 03:11:07 and its not in the catalog Mar 30 03:11:43 yeah mine is in the app catalog with a 4.8 rating, but a bug has made it almost impossible to find Mar 30 03:12:39 mine has a 3 star rating, but thats due to people not really knowing was steam is Mar 30 03:12:55 I have to write a really detailed scene to esplain that Mar 30 03:13:16 But I have no time this week for that Mar 30 03:13:18 was discussing it with chuqui today, it is major bug, but - i guess he could not find a good example to pass to the engineering team Mar 30 03:13:30 Thats all for spring break next week Mar 30 03:13:33 hence my example Mar 30 03:13:49 ah Mar 30 03:13:53 yeah, big bug Mar 30 03:14:14 I like my bug better Mar 30 03:14:34 luna restart caused by background notification waking pre up Mar 30 03:14:48 halfhalo_T400: that's affecting many apps Mar 30 03:15:17 yeah, but it suprised the crap out of me when it happened earlier today Mar 30 03:15:22 now, back to my binary Mar 30 03:15:28 halfhalo_T400: what causes that bug? Mar 30 03:15:55 I have no idea.... Mar 30 03:16:15 10110101 Mar 30 03:16:25 grrrrrrrrr Mar 30 03:16:41 so the pre just starts randomly? Mar 30 03:18:01 LoneStar99: figuring that out is palm's job. Mar 30 03:18:02 yup. Last time it happened bad kitty popped up for new tweets and then luna restart Mar 30 03:18:30 halfhalo_T400: i've had it happen with wIRC notifications Mar 30 03:18:51 weird, i only use my pre for development, so 90% it is off Mar 30 03:19:08 and lately 99% of the day Mar 30 03:19:33 LoneStar99: what is your day to day phone? Mar 30 03:19:43 Mine is never off unless i'm restarting it Mar 30 03:21:32 cricket Mar 30 03:22:16 can't beat $40 bucks a month Mar 30 03:22:39 I pay $40 a month on my family plan :D Mar 30 03:22:55 are u using a palm pre? Mar 30 03:22:58 yep Mar 30 03:23:10 really, which carrier is this? Mar 30 03:23:32 sprint... I split the cost with 4 others. We also got a company discount Mar 30 03:23:40 err.. 3 others Mar 30 03:24:25 ...anyway goodnight all Mar 30 03:25:27 wow, perhaps - in the future will look into a better plan and other carrier, but for the amount of calls i get and use my phone i need a $5 of month plan Mar 30 03:26:13 same Mar 30 03:26:24 I use maybe like 12 minutes a month Mar 30 03:26:56 probably 20 or for me, and like 20 texts Mar 30 03:29:46 really need to begin upgrading my apps, but feeling kinda lazy Mar 30 03:29:53 same Mar 30 03:31:13 the whole bug in app catalog really put a damper in my motivation but will get it back soon Mar 30 03:32:39 I use 10 to 20 hours a month and close to a gigabyte of connectivity. Mar 30 03:32:51 unless I'm traveling. Then it goes up Mar 30 03:34:04 what sort limit do these plans usually have in Gig usage? Mar 30 03:34:46 5 Mar 30 03:35:13 k Mar 30 03:49:13 ugh is there no way to see line numbers still in /var/log/messages for errors :/ Mar 30 04:00:40 good morning Mar 30 04:00:52 how can i change the keyboard layout in the emulator? Mar 30 04:01:35 change to what? Mar 30 04:01:47 I would change it to pirate Mar 30 04:01:50 just for kicks Mar 30 04:10:53 hi all! Mar 30 04:11:00 hola Mar 30 04:12:09 hi halfhalo Mar 30 04:12:31 JenP: better connectivity? Mar 30 04:12:42 yeah just got to the house Mar 30 04:13:11 you'd think hospitals would come with free wireless Mar 30 04:14:21 some do Mar 30 04:14:27 What were you doing at the hospital?????? Mar 30 04:14:31 not the ones in vegas Mar 30 04:14:39 grandma had a stroke this AM Mar 30 04:14:46 oh crap Mar 30 04:14:49 bummer :( Mar 30 04:14:54 oh wow Mar 30 04:15:03 it's ok...she's 92 had a full life... Mar 30 04:15:23 aside from that....how's everyone doing Mar 30 04:15:56 JenP: my condolences to your family Mar 30 04:16:07 thanks Rod Mar 30 04:17:27 Had, as in she passed away today? or you're engaged in a deathwatch... which always sucks no matter how old someone is. Mar 30 04:17:45 death watch Mar 30 04:17:59 but i think she's getting better. time will tell Mar 30 04:20:30 so....what kind of programming do we have going on tonight? Mar 30 04:23:09 * Rubin trying to make some progress on Pound irc Mar 30 04:23:50 JenP: I need something in Save/Restore that stops you going back into save or restore while it's reloading the current data. Mar 30 04:24:08 JenP: (assuming you want a hard problem to take your mind off things) Mar 30 04:24:16 lol... Mar 30 04:24:30 something that stops them? like an alert box, or a spinner? Mar 30 04:25:05 I was thinking maybe some dashboard thing, and disabling the main screen sections Mar 30 04:25:44 rwhitby: just show them the dancing banana guy while you save/restore: http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/jhonnyraptor/dancing_banana.gif Mar 30 04:25:52 DO IT Mar 30 04:26:05 i.e. you come back up to the top after saving, and the three lines are greyed out and the notification screen says "reloading information" and then the three lines become active again with new numbers. Mar 30 04:27:09 rod i think a spinner is easier and something the user is already a customed to seeing Mar 30 04:27:44 JenP: oh, like a little spinner on each of the three lines? Mar 30 04:28:27 I also think there's a bug in my focusing code when you have only a few apps selected for save. Mar 30 04:28:42 rwhitby: or a large spinner that just goes with a scrim...whole screen is blurred Mar 30 04:28:54 you can add text saying reloading Mar 30 04:28:57 link to the code? I can take a quick look in between doing hw assignmnets Mar 30 04:29:17 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=tree Mar 30 04:29:50 JenP: yeah, blurred screen is good Mar 30 04:30:02 two spinners? O_o Mar 30 04:30:32 rwhitby: it will like when you load the utube vids....blurred till ready Mar 30 04:30:33 Sooo, what is the bug doing? Mar 30 04:32:23 halfhalo_T400: if there are only two items selected in the list, it's focusing on item 1 and 2 in the list, rather than each of the actually selected items. Mar 30 04:32:39 save scene? Mar 30 04:33:27 this.controller.get('appList').mojo.revealItem(this.processPosition, true); Mar 30 04:33:51 processPosition is position in the smaller list of selected things, not position in the larger list of displayed things. Mar 30 04:34:01 stupid logical error Mar 30 04:34:36 I need a revealItem which takes an item argument, not a position number argument. Mar 30 04:35:22 So, who thinks that the Restore Screen should start with everything deselected, and you have to select what you want to restore? Mar 30 04:35:32 No idea Mar 30 04:35:55 cause at the moment it's too easy to write over current data for everything with old saved data Mar 30 04:39:02 Hmmmm Mar 30 04:39:08 just looking over code right now Mar 30 04:39:31 either that or I need a way to get the current list position of an item from the item Mar 30 04:40:54 Simple way? make a new item field that stores its enumeration number in the list item Mar 30 04:41:02 where need it setup MenuAttr and MenuModel to have it in all scenes? isn't it in stage-assistant, StageAssistant.prototype.setup = function()? Mar 30 04:41:09 halfhalo_T400: good idea Mar 30 04:41:14 It won't show up but makes life easier Mar 30 04:41:52 for my app I set all the data in the list assistant, but only call certain fields per scene and just pass the entire item to different scenes Mar 30 04:42:40 Its just faster than repopulating each scenes Mar 30 04:45:03 yep, that works much better. Mar 30 04:46:33 Yeah, its simple. I tried using the length property of the array, but that was allways changing. Just having a field with the id works much better Mar 30 04:46:42 although now I don't ever need it anymore Mar 30 04:47:32 i just load and save everything to the db and it it overrides it I don't care Mar 30 04:47:49 halfhalo_T400 you should write a tutorial on it for the rest of us Mar 30 04:47:56 heh Mar 30 04:48:08 no time this week Mar 30 04:57:27 yo sup all Mar 30 04:57:35 hi Mar 30 04:57:41 what's new Mar 30 04:57:54 nothing much Mar 30 04:57:54 hey codeslaw Mar 30 04:58:16 anyone know why my filter-list is catching the back-swipe, and preventing a scene pop? Mar 30 04:59:08 nein Mar 30 05:02:29 is the second argument to invalidateItems an absolute position or a count? Mar 30 05:04:36 the second is just how many items that get effected Mar 30 05:04:43 IE one item should be one Mar 30 05:04:50 two items should be 2 Mar 30 05:04:57 brb rebooting router Mar 30 05:06:07 From twitter: "You guys need to vote for the @Palm Pre. Can't believe this race is so close. http://ow.ly/1smJv" Mar 30 05:06:37 grrr Mar 30 05:06:51 everyone should be voting: http://blog.laptopmag.com/march-smart-phone-madness-game-11-blackberry-9700-vs-palm-pre-plus Mar 30 05:07:01 heh Mar 30 05:07:34 THAT INCLUDES YOU Mar 30 05:07:50 None of this "I work for palm so I don't have to" crap Mar 30 05:08:12 the funny part is I JUST posted something from twitter on that here, right in between "halfhalo left the room" and "halfhalo joined the room". Mar 30 05:08:13 voted Mar 30 05:08:37 lol Mar 30 05:08:40 (the gap is down to 36 votes) Mar 30 05:08:52 I can't vote again Mar 30 05:10:44 the gap is down to 26 votes. Anyone know when it ends? Mar 30 05:10:54 No idea Mar 30 05:10:58 but its not loading for me Mar 30 05:11:12 Try http://bit.ly/aszBM4 Mar 30 05:11:28 hey lemketron still awake? Mar 30 05:11:30 well, it's all the same page... if you mean the page itself isn't loading. Mar 30 05:11:34 nein Mar 30 05:11:39 page isn't loading Mar 30 05:11:43 still? Yeah, but trying to head home soon. Mar 30 05:11:54 :).. Mar 30 05:11:57 what's up? Mar 30 05:12:09 just doing some help things... Mar 30 05:12:25 how can i read the app version information to put that eg. into a about popup? Mar 30 05:13:47 noaXess: version="+Mojo.Controller.appInfo.version Mar 30 05:14:19 LoneStar99: aha.. so need to read more about Mojo.Controller... Mar 30 05:14:42 Mojo.Controller.appInfo.version Mar 30 05:15:12 noaXess: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1748 Mar 30 05:17:12 (keep voting!) Mar 30 05:17:31 IM GIVING IT ALL SHES GOT CAPT Mar 30 05:19:34 SOO CLOSE Mar 30 05:20:56 See, if my pre started faster I could be using that Mar 30 05:20:58 but it doesn;t Mar 30 05:22:32 how can i change the keyboard layout ont the emulator? is that possible? Mar 30 05:23:40 Only RR would keep your ip when you renew your dhcp Mar 30 05:23:59 lol Mar 30 05:24:02 10 ahead... Mar 30 05:24:10 I think we can... Mar 30 05:24:31 noaXess: I don't believe you can, currently. Mar 30 05:24:53 those were two unrelated responses, btw. Mar 30 05:25:03 Suuure Mar 30 05:25:15 we know were your loyalties lie know.... Mar 30 05:25:26 (hint: with palm) Mar 30 05:26:25 stupid sprint with its no service here not letting me vote using my phone Mar 30 05:27:17 cmon little phone... catch that evdo signal! Mar 30 05:27:57 BAD PHONE! BAD! I SAID EVDO, NOT 1X! Mar 30 05:29:33 if i create a depot in one scene, than i can access this depot in other scenes right? or need i create the scene in stage-assistant so it's globaly available? Mar 30 05:30:24 i mean: create the depot in stage-assistant... Mar 30 05:38:40 were winning! Mar 30 05:41:14 noaXess: looks like you could create it in the app assistant or the stage assistant, according to https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1651&p=6047&hilit=depot+stage+depot#p6047 Mar 30 05:52:52 we need. more. POWER Mar 30 05:53:11 IM GIVING IT ALL SHE'S GOT CAP'T! Mar 30 05:54:31 what was the link again? Mar 30 05:54:44 for the voting Mar 30 05:55:02 http://blog.laptopmag.com/march-smart-phone-madness-game-11-blackberry-9700-vs-palm-pre-plus Mar 30 05:55:35 thanks Mar 30 05:56:27 nice pre up Mar 30 05:56:39 freakin close Mar 30 05:59:10 yeah Mar 30 06:10:07 how can i keep a filter field open all the time, without calling filterlist.mojo.open on each filter call? Mar 30 06:54:23 foufoufouf Mar 30 06:54:33 poll ends tomorrow at 9am Mar 30 07:18:57 what about sound in the emulator.. i'm working on kubuntu karmic.. and in the vm settings is pulseaudio and ich a97 enabled.. but no sound in the emulator.. Mar 30 07:19:34 http://pre101.com/blog/2009/10/31/enabling-sounds-in-the-webos-emulator/ Mar 30 07:20:03 (so long as it's wav and not mp3, for now anyway) Mar 30 07:23:27 weeellll loook who it is.... Mar 30 07:25:15 and with that, sleepytime for mew Mar 30 07:27:04 lemketron-afk: ok.. i see.. Mar 30 07:27:19 is there a libraray for all the palm-* and nova* commands on the host?.. Mar 30 07:27:20 hi there Mar 30 07:27:43 du you know when an update for 1.4 comes out? 1.4 is just crap Mar 30 07:27:52 du=do obviously Mar 30 07:31:49 this is correct, to connect to the emaulator: ssh root@localhost:5522 Mar 30 07:31:58 but i get: ssh: Could not resolve hostname localhost:5522: Name or service not known Mar 30 07:32:23 but a ping localhost works.. 127.0.0.1 Mar 30 07:33:06 novaterm -l -> 39542 fd9e4b64f785547f243f3288a37feabd80548e8d tcp emulator Mar 30 07:33:39 try ssh -P 5522 root@localhost Mar 30 07:34:03 (I really am going to be afk shortly...) Mar 30 07:35:16 lemketron-afk: ssh -p 5522 root@localhost does it, thanks... or novaterm ;). on linux.. Mar 30 08:02:32 will app-assistant.js be loaded before stage-assistant.js? Mar 30 08:02:54 so in app-assistant i can set some global app variables, functions, depot's? Mar 30 08:25:09 noaXess: I believe so, since the app loads the stages. Mar 30 08:25:21 Check the lifecycle on the pdn site. Mar 30 08:25:48 okay.. Mar 30 10:41:31 wow.. nothing on here.. Mar 30 10:57:56 hi Mar 30 10:58:09 i would like to know how make screenshots from palm webos emulator ? Mar 30 10:58:13 it is possible ? Mar 30 10:58:39 just use your host OS screenshot capability Mar 30 10:59:32 Roy-Pre101: so, since you've helped me in the past, you get to choose the next app to be supported by Save/Restore Mar 30 10:59:32 how do i push a scene within/from app-assistant? Mar 30 11:00:10 rwhitby: ok Mar 30 11:31:40 where does Mojo.Log... posts it's data? Mar 30 11:32:31 if i do eg. Mojo.Log.info("test"); where do i see that? with palm-log? Mar 30 11:34:01 noaXess: yeah, with palm-log Mar 30 11:35:56 dthought: hm.. i have this: $(LOG).update("user data saved"); Mojo.Log.info("user data saved");.. but in palm-log i see not what i want.. Mar 30 11:36:23 $(LOG) is just a layer that i us fo visuall logging.. Mar 30 11:36:44 you try it on the device? Mar 30 11:36:52 on the emulator Mar 30 11:37:14 i just see this, if i start my app: [20100330-13:35:33.791380] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework338, /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js:142 Mar 30 11:37:55 put a Mojo.Log into your setup, to see whether it works there? Mar 30 11:39:21 no.. hm.. need i set the logLevel? Mar 30 11:39:31 in framework_config.json Mar 30 11:42:29 need i put this: Mojo.Log.addLoggingMethodsToPrototype(Mojo.Controller.SceneController); into eg. function UserdataAssistant(){}? Mar 30 11:43:35 noaXess: no. you don't need that addToPrototype Mar 30 11:43:42 ok... Mar 30 11:43:55 might need a logLevel. I did not set it up... but can't check my test-pet-projects Mar 30 11:43:59 i reand my app log like this: palm-log -d tcp -f my.app.id Mar 30 11:44:14 thats correct right? Mar 30 11:45:34 dthought: got it.. needed to creat the file framework_config.json with the logLevel option.. Mar 30 11:46:14 eclipse did set up my project for me :-p Mar 30 11:50:46 dthought: for me too.. but not that file.. Mar 30 11:52:01 noaXess: weird. i can't remind fiddling with that one. But I'll remind i'll need it when i run into the same problem :) Mar 30 11:52:37 yes.. but anyway.. works now.. go to next step.. working with global depot's.. setup in stage-assistant, right? Mar 30 11:53:31 i think. never done that yet. still got to find the time to dive deeper... Mar 30 13:03:09 hello Mar 30 13:03:55 anyone in here/ Mar 30 13:04:07 question about the int'l launch tomorrow Mar 30 13:04:26 omg this is funny: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/iphone-sms-database-hacked-in-20-seconds-news-at-11/ Mar 30 13:04:38 i know it's old but i am still catching up on the old news lol Mar 30 13:08:10 does anyone know when developers can update their paid app for int'l distribution? Mar 30 13:08:12 is that tomorrow? Mar 30 13:08:23 or we need to hit up Chuq to update our accounts to do so? Mar 30 13:09:20 You will just update your account as an app update Mar 30 13:09:27 they are supposed to be localized Mar 30 13:09:42 but if it is just a button that I dont think it matters Mar 30 13:10:11 can i update my account now? Mar 30 13:10:14 or have to wait til tomorrow? Mar 30 13:12:02 you will have to wait until tomorrow Mar 30 13:12:22 k Mar 30 13:12:22 ty Mar 30 13:16:48 oh crap I should get my app ready for that... Mar 30 13:16:52 or something. Mar 30 13:48:14 anyone remember where that thread is to report bad reviews on the app catalog? Mar 30 13:48:38 someone gave my app a flippin 0 star just because they want a refund Mar 30 13:52:07 Did they give it a zero becuase they thought it was bad, and so want a refund? Mar 30 13:52:26 The exact review is "It's not what I thought it would need a refund... lol" Mar 30 13:52:33 if you can translate that into something meaningful go ahead >.> Mar 30 13:52:45 Product not as advertised? Mar 30 13:52:59 I don't see how a slot machine game could not be as advertised, and as screenshotted. Mar 30 13:53:02 User stupidity mostly causes that :) Mar 30 13:53:48 in any case, giving a review of 0 stars because you want a refund can't be valid, we have no ability to offer refunds even if we wanted to Mar 30 13:54:57 that's what irks me about that. I don't mind the other reviews stating valid complaints like detail and payouts and such, because well, that's a review and something we have control over >.> Mar 30 13:55:08 refunds aren't Mar 30 14:00:12 yeah. Mar 30 14:00:16 stupid people suck. Mar 30 14:00:27 what were the rules about releasing an english-only game in euro countries again? Mar 30 14:00:29 Don't Do It? Mar 30 14:01:24 do it Mar 30 14:01:47 I still have tonight left to work on localization, but my german and french are both nonexistent Mar 30 14:04:54 you don't have to translate to release elsewhere Mar 30 14:04:59 it'll ask what languages the app is in Mar 30 14:05:09 you simply pick english and whatever countries it'll allow you to pick from that :p Mar 30 14:26:27 good morning Mar 30 14:33:08 morning! Mar 30 14:35:43 sugardave! Mar 30 14:36:04 in the (not) flesh! Mar 30 14:36:24 how is webOS these days? I've had to take a break and do my real job for far too long Mar 30 14:37:02 real life blows chunks Mar 30 14:37:07 Hi everybody Mar 30 14:37:10 yes, yes it does Mar 30 14:37:48 I have more real life bearing down on me, so no dev for a while. But, I'd like to try to get an update pushed soon after Europe opens Mar 30 14:42:59 agreed agreed. Mar 30 14:43:19 I am in the same boat. Mar 30 14:43:22 Too many side projects. Mar 30 14:43:34 I wonder if I could get a dice roller update ready to submit tonight...... hmmm Mar 30 14:43:38 or should I wait until tomorrow? Mar 30 14:43:48 I'm a little confused on the whole process still. I know I got an email, though, so I could read through that again. Mar 30 14:44:23 you cant submit an update for international release until international release begins Mar 30 14:44:44 Kuraiou: yeah, I'm not going to do any language updates or anything...I'm also in the big middle of moving all my stuff from one laptop/OS combination to another Mar 30 14:44:49 well, I mean, you can submit the localization, but you can't tell them you want it outside the USA without another update and review :p Mar 30 14:45:10 VincentLaw: good to know, I'd be doing it after the fact, anyway Mar 30 14:48:10 Hi everybody Mar 30 14:48:41 hi Robdor Mar 30 14:49:43 heyhey. Mar 30 15:10:57 heyday Mar 30 15:27:03 hi all Mar 30 15:30:04 heyhey! Mar 30 15:48:21 Hi all Mar 30 15:48:29 JenP are you still in Vegas? Mar 30 15:48:39 hi Rick. yes Mar 30 15:49:03 doing some work on twt though Mar 30 15:50:11 should have something to send to you later today provide all is quiet over here Mar 30 15:50:38 The hardest thing about the web server side of twt is validating cities. Mar 30 15:50:58 But I think I have a solution for that. Mar 30 15:51:01 i'm sure. i have no idea how the gps thing works Mar 30 15:51:13 smiles....rick i wish i had your mind Mar 30 15:51:30 Palm has a "reverse lookup" in mojo, so we can get the GPS in mojo and reverse out the cities on the palm instead of my screwing with it. Mar 30 15:51:48 i still cant get my object cookie array to work Mar 30 15:51:52 oh that's cool Mar 30 15:52:10 are you somewhere where you can get online with me? Is your connectivity decent? Mar 30 15:52:19 yeah Mar 30 15:53:03 hey JenP and Rick_work Mar 30 15:53:09 hi sugardave Mar 30 15:53:46 see pm jen Mar 30 15:55:04 sugardave what's up? Mar 30 15:55:12 real life, ugh Mar 30 15:55:30 and getting things off the work laptop to my new baby Mar 30 15:59:49 hi JenP Mar 30 16:12:37 what is new baby sugardave? Mar 30 16:24:32 Rick_work: Since core i7s are out now, I got an older core duo (P8700) for cheap: Asus K61IC laptop Mar 30 16:24:35 it's very nice Mar 30 16:25:27 switching OSes to Ubuntu 64-bit, because I like to do things the hard way Mar 30 16:25:47 I already got the Palm emulator working, now getting my Drupal environmnet to match what I had on this other machine Mar 30 16:25:58 man Mar 30 16:26:44 I went to PAX East over the weekend, and won a ticket from the Intel prize patrol, and the guy in frnot of me one of the $1k i7s. Mar 30 16:26:55 oh man, nice Mar 30 16:26:59 I got a t-shirt :| Mar 30 16:27:06 I'd like an i7, but the price on this was more than right Mar 30 16:29:53 MY GOD Adium is a pain Mar 30 16:31:29 it is? Mar 30 16:31:40 it's like... the best IM client period :/ Mar 30 16:31:53 it would not let me change my nick Mar 30 16:36:30 would anyone know how to make a screen "hold" while a drawer with a list is being opened? Mar 30 16:36:57 i got some odd behavior happening when i open a particular drawer Mar 30 16:37:11 the screen kind of jumps down, then up Mar 30 16:37:14 weird Mar 30 16:37:58 there's actually 2 lists possible in the drawer - the jump happens when i toggle to the 2nd list Mar 30 16:38:13 while the first is opened Mar 30 16:39:02 open both lists but have class hidden set on one, then toggle? Mar 30 16:39:35 well, when one opens, i have it set to toggle the drawer closed first, then reopen Mar 30 16:39:39 maybe that's the problem Mar 30 16:39:51 except there's no jump when i go from 2nd list to first Mar 30 16:40:22 just a weird glitch - not anything that really hurts the program, it just looks funky Mar 30 16:40:51 you could also do something like scrollTo a div above your drawer, but not sure if that will fix it Mar 30 16:41:08 ya, that's the kind of fix im looking for Mar 30 16:41:37 not sure what documentation to look for though, scroll command? Mar 30 16:42:55 I think it's a method of the scene controller...haven't done any mojo code in a while, though Mar 30 16:43:17 ahh - i'll keep searching on the dev site, forums Mar 30 16:43:58 bbl Mar 30 16:44:13 btw - i really appreciate you guys on this forum - you've taught me TONS in the past 2 week Mar 30 16:44:15 s Mar 30 16:46:07 you all should get together and compile your tips into a book - i'd buy it! Mar 30 16:46:55 my tip would be RTFM, which would serve multiple purposes Mar 30 16:47:13 first, it would be kinda circular because people would already be RTFM'ing, and things like that make laugh Mar 30 16:47:29 second, it would spawn a discussion of how terrible the API documentation is/was and make even more tips! Mar 30 16:49:19 mmm chopped liver. Mar 30 16:54:31 hello all Mar 30 16:55:36 I believe I found an issue with the Tasks application, is there somewhere to file a report or to see if it's already reported? Mar 30 16:59:47 Developer.palm.com forums Mar 30 16:59:53 in the bug reports forum Mar 30 17:54:00 * lemketron-afk . o O ( Someone actually uses the Tasks application? ) Mar 30 17:54:09 I KNOW Mar 30 17:54:35 I think its a ratio of 99.999/0.001 of people who complain/people who use it Mar 30 17:54:38 * lemketron hugs RTFM app Mar 30 17:55:10 I think I'm going to doctor my phone... Mar 30 17:55:35 Just because its monday Mar 30 18:12:17 lemketron: where is RTFM? preware? Mar 30 18:12:53 http://www.supergigamega.com/rtfm/ Mar 30 18:14:23 I never used RTMilk before, but love it now. My wife and I both have accounts now, and use shared lists (like groceries), which we can access from any computer at home, or on our Pre. Mar 30 18:18:04 rtfm doesn't store locally? Mar 30 18:18:29 shared lists is a brilliant idea. Mar 30 18:23:01 * haeffb_pre working on a todo app. feels like a race to get do Mar 30 18:23:05 ne Mar 30 18:23:19 yeah, there's already a few out there. Mar 30 18:23:25 competition is tricky. Mar 30 18:25:15 too bad we can't call 'dibs' Mar 30 18:25:37 well, you've got two options: be prettier, or be cheaper. Mar 30 18:25:41 the best is both. Mar 30 18:26:01 but really, all you've got is 3 screenshots and maybe 30 seconds of a youtube video to show why someone would use your app over another person's app. Mar 30 18:26:16 haeffb: Might I suggest working on a Twitter application. That niche is under-served. Mar 30 18:26:39 jlund: great idea! Mar 30 18:27:33 usually, I try to write apps that I want/need. and I want/need this one, so... Mar 30 18:28:37 * halfhalo_class is sad since wpa_supplicant appears to be gimped Mar 30 18:29:34 ehhh Mar 30 18:29:49 I'm likin' Spaz. Mar 30 18:29:56 or rather, I have liked, and continue to, like spaz. Mar 30 18:30:19 although the hold menu pops up too soon Mar 30 18:30:37 haeffb_pre: what about an IM for palm users with localization seervices? Mar 30 18:30:46 haeffb_pre: Will your todo app synchronize with any online sources? Mar 30 18:31:01 yes, it will. Mar 30 18:31:10 haeffb_pre: Which ones? Mar 30 18:31:28 hi Mar 30 18:31:42 possibly several, but I'm starting with Toodledo Mar 30 18:32:22 evening Mar 30 18:32:27 hi swisstomcat Mar 30 18:32:31 afternoon Mar 30 18:32:38 haeffb_pre: Cool. I'll buy it! Mar 30 18:32:39 hey lonestar,haeffb Mar 30 18:33:26 sweet. $1000. so I'm sure of return on investment... :) Mar 30 18:34:20 it'll probably be available as a free beta onPreCentral & paid app in catalog. Mar 30 18:34:29 new app? Mar 30 18:34:34 I like that model. Mar 30 18:34:36 did you all arleady fill out the following poll? http://uoid.me/pre1 Mar 30 18:34:46 $1000? Mar 30 18:35:09 LoneStar99: that ended Mar 30 18:35:13 we won Mar 30 18:35:20 special jlund price, since he's already placed the order. Mar 30 18:35:25 yeah, i voted from three devices Mar 30 18:35:35 we won by 110 votes XD Mar 30 18:35:37 jlund? Mar 30 18:35:40 ordered what? Mar 30 18:35:45 Toodledo? Mar 30 18:35:54 aaaaah Mar 30 18:35:56 * Kuraiou flails aimlessly. Mar 30 18:35:58 everyone should vote for the hero so the droid gets taken out Mar 30 18:36:49 swisstomcat: are you overwhelmed w/ translation requests? Mar 30 18:36:56 hey hey.. all. Mar 30 18:37:09 Nice Mar 30 18:37:11 haeffb: not really, but i had not time to advertise :( Mar 30 18:37:15 hey noaXess Mar 30 18:37:23 haeffb_pre: he can handle more :) Mar 30 18:37:24 anyone know of the secret google apis? Mar 30 18:37:37 secret 'search' apis Mar 30 18:37:38 you have one, haeffb? Mar 30 18:37:47 myles Mar 30 18:37:58 but it's open source... :) Mar 30 18:38:11 is it? Mar 30 18:38:33 it is. Mar 30 18:38:51 in that case the translation is free Mar 30 18:39:22 yeah, that's why I made it OS Mar 30 18:39:28 heh Mar 30 18:39:31 lol Mar 30 18:39:47 that & palm don't charge me either... Mar 30 18:39:58 and you can still charge for it Mar 30 18:40:14 yes, yes I can Mar 30 18:40:45 lies Mar 30 18:40:49 ITS ALL LIES Mar 30 18:41:23 so where's the source on your website, haeffb :) Mar 30 18:41:26 still gotta figure out how ti get git working Mar 30 18:42:04 source is avail as free DL from preware at the moment Mar 30 18:42:56 just unzip the .ipk Mar 30 18:43:28 i use a depot in one scene, but i want use that depot in the whole app. so move the depot code to stage-assistant right? Mar 30 18:43:39 anyone else needs an app translated to german? Mar 30 18:43:47 I just recall the depot in each scene I need it Mar 30 18:43:56 noaXess: i'd move it to a seperate js-file even Mar 30 18:43:59 german? I wanted swiss! Mar 30 18:44:08 swiss-german :) Mar 30 18:44:09 I want Pirate! Mar 30 18:44:14 swisstomcat: i do, but waiting for next release Mar 30 18:44:36 oooh! swiss Pirate! Mar 30 18:44:38 noaXess: check out Lawnchair, it's sweet. Mar 30 18:44:40 swisstomcat: like a depot-manager.js? Mar 30 18:44:48 noaXess: doa.js in my case Mar 30 18:44:50 http://brianleroux.github.com/lawnchair/ Mar 30 18:45:36 whoa, a flood of apps from laminar research Mar 30 18:46:03 ah, I love the "Mixed Zelda" theme. Mar 30 18:46:59 noaXess: you can put it in stageAssistant if you want. just make sure you save it as a global var to be able to access form all scenes. or pass it as an arg in pushScene. Mar 30 18:47:12 hmm, download counts in the rss feed haven't been updated since 3/23 :( Mar 30 18:47:26 haeffb_pre: okay.. thanks Mar 30 18:47:55 first i will make some own test.. later.. maybe lawnchair ;) Mar 30 18:48:30 :) Mar 30 18:48:37 haeffb_pre: anyway if i put depot method's into a own js or in stage, i need to make it gloabally, right? Mar 30 18:49:06 egh, if developer.palm.com is right, no one has downloaded my app in 4 days Mar 30 18:50:00 either global or pass a var from scene to scene. global would be simpler Mar 30 18:50:15 aaaaand half as many sales in march as there were in february. Mar 30 18:50:17 eff. Mar 30 18:50:20 need a new app >_< Mar 30 18:50:22 need leverage >_< Mar 30 18:50:28 Kuraiou: your app in da app catalog? Mar 30 18:50:34 of course. Mar 30 18:50:36 or as halfhalo said, reopen it in each scene Mar 30 18:51:00 oh, you know what, that reminds me: is anyone doing anything with .json file loading/reading/parsing/whatever? Mar 30 18:51:15 Kuraiou: what is your app? Mar 30 18:51:38 i use parse json files from the cloud Mar 30 18:51:57 i parse json from a webservice too, but not from a file Mar 30 18:52:00 no, I mean .json files actually packaged in. I have a Preferences class that I use. Mar 30 18:52:25 and currently it pulls in the preferences from a globally defined object {verNum: {pref1: "blah", pref2: "blah"}} etc. etc. Mar 30 18:52:34 but it would just be neater if it automatically read from a "preferences.json" or something. Mar 30 18:52:48 I just include the js objects in my code Mar 30 18:53:00 for prefs, etc. Mar 30 18:53:10 Kuraiou: it should not that much different Mar 30 18:53:36 #prototype could probably help you get it working with a local file Mar 30 18:53:41 well, this is written for others to plug in to. Mar 30 18:53:47 it's not an issue with javascript, or json parsing. Mar 30 18:53:57 it's webOS, getting a file in the ipk. Mar 30 18:53:59 that's what I'm asking about. Mar 30 18:54:08 oh i see Mar 30 18:54:30 like "var json = Mojo.File.read('preferences.json');" only code that actually works. Mar 30 18:54:36 have a method in one scene that shows a message, if the depot was created successfully: UserdataAssistant.prototype.createDB_success = function() {...}.. how to make that method globaly, that i can use it from each scene if i need to? Mar 30 18:54:37 and isn't made up on the spot like I just did right there. Mar 30 18:54:45 example: user uploading the json file via your app? Mar 30 18:54:50 ....... no. Mar 30 18:55:07 noaXess: you can just have a global function that's not a prototype function. Mar 30 18:55:23 Kuraiou: so just function myMethod().... Mar 30 18:55:47 in somerandomfile.js : function myMethod() { .... } Mar 30 18:55:47 or myMethod = function()... Mar 30 18:55:55 then include somerandomfile.js in the sources.json Mar 30 18:56:04 okay... Mar 30 18:56:11 Userdata.Assistant.prototype.createDB_success = myMethod; Mar 30 18:56:19 I don't know why you would do that though. Mar 30 18:56:31 generally you want class-specific methods in the class. Mar 30 18:56:33 not globally available. Mar 30 18:57:18 and if you assing a function to UserdataAssistant.prototype.createDB_success, you can just call a Userdata object's createDB_success Mar 30 18:57:48 here's what I'm talking about: http://github.com/Kuraiou/WebOS-Tools/blob/master/Preferences.js Mar 30 18:57:56 i usually use a function in a global js file and create and object from it at startup Mar 30 18:58:10 there's another file in there, BaseClass.js, which is insanely handy but has a bug in it that I fixed locally but didn't update the repo with. Mar 30 18:58:35 seriously, I don't think I'll ever write another app without BaseClass.js Mar 30 18:58:41 (not to toot my own horn, but... ;)) Mar 30 18:59:52 sorry, i'm not yet a crack in js, mojo and those webos api's.. but.. step by step.. Mar 30 19:00:23 swisstomcat: can i see your depot js fie? Mar 30 19:00:27 file ^ Mar 30 19:00:30 sure Mar 30 19:01:39 noaXess: http://pastie.org/895723 Mar 30 19:04:40 swisstomcat: okay.. Mar 30 19:04:58 noaXess: just call doa.init(); in the stage-assistant Mar 30 19:05:03 and then you're good to go Mar 30 19:05:23 swisstomcat: but just with the history table... ok.. i see.. Mar 30 19:06:38 let me know if you need help, noaXess Mar 30 19:06:43 swisstomcat: wheere is this db saved? Mar 30 19:06:57 its not a depot, right? Mar 30 19:06:58 somewhere Mar 30 19:07:01 yes Mar 30 19:07:17 somewhere in the app data i think (as a sqlite db) Mar 30 19:07:19 an openDatabase, where is this function? Mar 30 19:07:40 that's a depot function Mar 30 19:07:43 builtin Mar 30 19:08:00 okay Mar 30 19:08:48 depot != sqlite Mar 30 19:08:59 no? Mar 30 19:09:03 pie!=cake Mar 30 19:09:07 * halfhalo_class just wanted to fit in.... Mar 30 19:09:32 i thought depot was a simplified wrapper? Mar 30 19:09:34 er it uses sqlite, but not openDatabase(...) Mar 30 19:09:36 first i just wnat save some userdata to get it for use.. so i use a depot.. but just in one scene and i want have it globaly, so i can make a start screen.. and from there i need access to the depot data and also from the preferences scene Mar 30 19:12:01 so, noaXess needs to modify your concept to use his depot code instead of sqlite Mar 30 19:13:17 haeffb_pre: i just want a globaly depot :).. for some it's simple, daily business.. but.. i haven't all day time to code.. so step by step Mar 30 19:15:44 noaXess: paste your current depot code that you want available globally Mar 30 19:16:13 haeffb_pre: yes.. here it is :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/406678/ Mar 30 19:16:32 so all code which uses any depot method, need to be in eg. depo-manager.js Mar 30 19:17:37 in UserdataAssistant.prototype.setup i load data fro the depot and if success: this.getData_success.bind(this), fill them into the fields.. Mar 30 19:19:30 i think if i have this method "UserdataAssistant.prototype.getData_success" in depot-manager.js i can't use this.Username_model.value... Mar 30 19:21:05 haeffb: i see ... i though i was using depot Mar 30 19:22:01 no sir. Mar 30 19:22:37 noaXess: : do you just want a var to access the database in other scenes? Mar 30 19:22:54 depot is for sissies :P Mar 30 19:23:30 franzerl ;) Mar 30 19:23:33 or do you want all of your create db load, save data functions available in all scenes? Mar 30 19:24:04 haeffb_pre: second idea Mar 30 19:24:46 haeffb_pre: but pleade just a tip.... sample code.. i mus fix the rest. Mar 30 19:25:09 please ^ Mar 30 19:25:27 I can't write code on my phone...! Mar 30 19:25:38 haeffb_pre: ;) Mar 30 19:25:41 Ha Mar 30 19:25:55 do like swisstomcat but with depot instead of sqlite... Mar 30 19:27:43 haeffb_pre: is it also possible to create a class... and then the different method's? createDB, createDate, getData, updateData...? Mar 30 19:28:24 noaXess: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects Mar 30 19:28:55 yes it's possible Mar 30 19:29:02 long time not seen, sugardave Mar 30 19:29:10 hi hi Mar 30 19:30:07 what's up? Mar 30 19:30:31 too much Real Job, that's what Mar 30 19:30:48 but, about to have a LITTLE bit of time to re-visit my awesome Drupal/webOS project Mar 30 19:30:51 sugardave: yea.. my problem to.. and so not enought time to learn/code webos apps.. Mar 30 19:31:39 noaXess: if you use sqlite, that page I sent you has some good techniques on iy Mar 30 19:31:40 it Mar 30 19:31:45 if I do say so myself ;) Mar 30 19:31:50 yeah, same problem here with too much realjob Mar 30 19:32:35 sugardave: i see... i think my problem is to habe global method's for data managing.. Mar 30 19:33:06 yeah, you slap that code in an external js, load it before your stage/scene assistant, and you' Mar 30 19:33:06 have ^ Mar 30 19:33:10 re rocking Mar 30 19:33:15 yes... Mar 30 19:33:19 * sugardave is trying to get used to the new keyboard. Mar 30 19:33:39 Heh Mar 30 19:33:48 I use at least 5 diff keyboards a day Mar 30 19:33:51 its sad Mar 30 19:33:58 it's like a real keyboard...with a full number pad, too...my fingers hit the wrong thing all the time Mar 30 19:34:59 I luvs mah thinkpad kb Mar 30 19:35:28 food time! Mar 30 19:35:34 enjoy Mar 30 19:35:38 bring us something too Mar 30 19:39:46 in a class, the initialize method will automatically be called if i do a: var db = new ClassName();?? Mar 30 19:40:37 who ever thought pac-man was simply an arcade game http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8594101.stm Mar 30 19:41:15 mmmmmmm Mar 30 19:41:21 noaXess: not sure about that....I think "no" but I'm far from a JS person Mar 30 19:41:22 chicken ceasar wrap with a coke Mar 30 19:42:53 how do i access a model.value from another js?.. access a mojo object? in the scene i can use this.My_model.value = ... but now from my depot-manager.js? Mar 30 19:43:56 add a parm to the method and pass it, that's one way Mar 30 19:44:56 and if there are some model.values to input data? Mar 30 19:46:03 ? Mar 30 19:46:53 ok.. orry.. i think it's to late... now.. working from 0530 am.. until now.. hm.. need a break.. to refresh my brain ;) Mar 30 19:47:28 think i have to totally recode.. cause an external data-manager Mar 30 19:47:31 yeah, take a break :D Mar 30 19:47:44 ok.. bye all.. see/chat ya soon Mar 30 19:47:48 has JenP popped back in. Mar 30 19:47:50 bye Mar 30 19:47:53 ??? Mar 30 19:48:17 haven't seen her, but I'm just back, too Mar 30 20:12:58 HA Mar 30 20:13:05 Just checked my sprint account online Mar 30 20:13:29 grand total of 12 anytime minutes used Mar 30 20:13:36 and just over 1.5GB Mar 30 20:14:52 heh Mar 30 20:14:54 hey chuq Mar 30 20:15:13 It would be less but phone no likes wpa2 with a self signed cert Mar 30 20:19:27 hello chuqui Mar 30 20:19:56 ho all. Mar 30 20:19:56 Hello everybody! I have a dev question, the command line debugger ends whenever I launch the app I want to debug. Thats annoying! Any ideas? Mar 30 20:20:13 hey sockenfresser .. leave my socks in peace ;) Mar 30 20:20:33 chuq: what's new at palm? Mar 30 20:20:34 halfhalo_class: that's like me...last month we used 14 minutes Mar 30 20:20:50 I have another head cold. don't let me sneeze on you. Mar 30 20:20:56 Heh, I rarely if ever make phone calls Mar 30 20:20:59 usually its all online Mar 30 20:21:21 In other news not related to anything other than it was taken by my pre: http://twitpic.com/1c0x68 Mar 30 20:21:24 * swisstomcat hands chuqui a tissue Mar 30 20:21:26 very annoying... otherwise, life goes on as usual. Prepping for the international launch, watching smoke and flames shoot from the roof of the engineering building. Mar 30 20:21:29 that sort of thing. Mar 30 20:21:33 * sugardave throws some zinc at chuqui. Mar 30 20:21:41 About that smoke and flames..... My bad Mar 30 20:22:11 chuqui: i wouldn't go as far as calling it an international launch tho ;) Mar 30 20:22:28 but it's a good step forward Mar 30 20:22:29 international-er Mar 30 20:22:50 If it were up to me.... Mar 30 20:23:31 nothing ever good comes after "if it were up to me...." Mar 30 20:23:33 i just don't get it why you need to have the phone available in your country to buy apps ... Mar 30 20:23:45 tax issues? Mar 30 20:23:47 since we can sell apps everywhere Mar 30 20:23:55 LOOK! A PUPPY! Mar 30 20:23:56 i can seel em, but no buy em Mar 30 20:24:03 sell Mar 30 20:24:19 Yes, there is a puppy in my office. Very observant Mar 30 20:24:27 * swisstomcat smashes the puppy with a giant hammer *splunk* Mar 30 20:24:30 WHY there is a puppy in my office is a different story Mar 30 20:24:32 NO Mar 30 20:24:37 BAD swisstomcat! Mar 30 20:24:39 BAD Mar 30 20:24:44 PUPPY DID NOTHING TO YOU Mar 30 20:24:49 cats don't like dogs Mar 30 20:25:02 next thing he would have eaten me Mar 30 20:25:17 my last dog didn't mind cats Mar 30 20:25:33 back to topic .. chuq ... we're waiting Mar 30 20:25:43 the whole "rest of the world" region is a complex set of decisions that were made. Some of which, I think, if we did it again we might make differently. but we can't go back, we must move forward. Mar 30 20:25:57 Time Machines Mar 30 20:26:00 That is the solution Mar 30 20:26:04 de loreans Mar 30 20:26:09 just move forward wider Mar 30 20:26:30 how is selling an app different from buying an app? Mar 30 20:26:40 problme with time machines: they can make things MUCH MUCH worse, most people assume you'll make them better. Mar 30 20:27:05 you end up in a parallel universe anyway .. doesn't help Mar 30 20:27:07 Yeah, but on the other hand you have a tank in the dark ages Mar 30 20:27:54 innnteresting.... my rails date parsing thingamagigger is broken Mar 30 20:27:55 what's the thinking behind having the apps available only in some places? Mar 30 20:28:03 to buy Mar 30 20:28:18 you realize what the most common result of inventing a time machine would be, right? Mar 30 20:28:33 paradox! Mar 30 20:28:39 * Kuraiou takes 3 bashing damage. Mar 30 20:28:39 ;D Mar 30 20:28:40 I would steal stuff Mar 30 20:28:51 Given that going back in time is very likely to screw things up, the most common result of inventing a time machine is that you go back and do something that makes inventing time machines impossible. Mar 30 20:28:56 I put an offer in on a house yesterday... the offer was accepted :D!! Mar 30 20:29:02 nice Mar 30 20:29:27 OK. I'm trying again. Anyone used the good old command line debugger since SDk 1.4 release. Does it work for you? Cm-on? Mar 30 20:29:27 * swisstomcat thinks chuqui is evading the questions :) Mar 30 20:29:37 sockenfresser: not me Mar 30 20:30:05 if I release my apps in UK and Eire, do I need to use the proper "colour" instead of "color" ? Mar 30 20:30:25 who cares? its the UK Mar 30 20:31:17 LoneStar99: no Mar 30 20:31:20 argh. another meeting. back later. I'd rather sit here and chat, personally. Mar 30 20:31:36 take your pre with you and use wirc Mar 30 20:31:39 i would not care, but their some really picky folks in this world.... Mar 30 20:31:47 $L('color') Mar 30 20:31:48 hahahahaha Mar 30 20:32:11 anyone localized an app? Mar 30 20:32:17 not I. Mar 30 20:32:19 not yet, anyways. Mar 30 20:32:25 i have :) Mar 30 20:32:30 for me and for others Mar 30 20:32:53 sockenfresser: I use 'tail -f' after I ssh into my emu, but I'm weird like that Mar 30 20:32:59 LoneStar99: you could even release your app to germany in english language. everyone is annoyed there because palm has this strange release system. Mar 30 20:33:06 swisstomcat: you have good link for localization? Mar 30 20:33:17 what to see all it entails Mar 30 20:33:19 yeah, my apps are going to remain English only Mar 30 20:33:26 which is fine Mar 30 20:33:30 lonestar: hmm? Mar 30 20:33:51 nearly everyone speaks english. better an english app in germany/spain/italy than no app. Mar 30 20:33:59 indeed Mar 30 20:34:01 right Mar 30 20:34:16 i don't agree Mar 30 20:34:21 unless you're a technical user Mar 30 20:34:25 nother bug squashed Mar 30 20:34:31 isn't the pre supposed to be a mom phone Mar 30 20:34:44 * sugardave smites swisstomcat. Mar 30 20:34:55 sugardave: if you app is open-source, i'll translate it for free Mar 30 20:35:15 they aren't, though Mar 30 20:35:25 i'll translate them anyway Mar 30 20:35:42 LoneStar99: i've localized one of my apps Mar 30 20:35:51 I can't localize my app Mar 30 20:35:52 swisstomcat: there are only about 300 apps available in germany. just because of this release system that more or less requires a localization. german press is full of articles about "only 300 apps in germany, why don't they give access to all apps?" Mar 30 20:35:54 well, that's much appreciated....I will look into it when I'm ready to update Mar 30 20:36:05 LoneStar99: I lazily just depended on google-translate though Mar 30 20:36:16 localization is great, no question. but hide an app completely just because it is not translated is not the right way. Mar 30 20:36:28 google translation is terrible Mar 30 20:36:40 either you have a good translation or you better leave it in english Mar 30 20:36:47 MetaView: full ack. Mar 30 20:37:00 bummer Mar 30 20:37:03 * kmudrick shrugs Mar 30 20:37:05 gelb: agreed Mar 30 20:37:08 german translations make the apps sometimes unusable Mar 30 20:37:14 metaview: ack Mar 30 20:37:22 never ever use google translate. google translate is nice if you want to read a text written in another language. thats all. Mar 30 20:37:24 just have a good translation or none Mar 30 20:37:57 gelb: a lot of developers just release it for US .. for no reason Mar 30 20:38:30 its mostly just one or 2 word labels Mar 30 20:38:36 well, to be fair, that was my only option when I released my apps :D Mar 30 20:38:49 and the content in the app itself, fetched externally is not localized Mar 30 20:38:50 swisstomcat: i know, but it is a problem with the webos submission process. it is too easy to not release it worldwide. on iphone and android you have to make extra clicks to NOT release it worldwide. Mar 30 20:39:32 sugardave: release them in english Mar 30 20:39:33 gelb: agreed, it could be easier .. also, you have to enter the support info for every country .. makes it tedious Mar 30 20:39:49 the support info is terrible, right Mar 30 20:40:05 I click all countries and always use the english text Mar 30 20:40:24 swisstomcat: yes, was really annoye about that. doesn't make any sense. Mar 30 20:40:38 alright, got 2 hours of a lone time....going to fire up the FFXIII for a bit Mar 30 20:40:43 chat y'all later Mar 30 20:41:04 on android and iphone you just enter the english texts and thats it. worldwide with english text. you can then, if you want, add localized texts and screenshots. Mar 30 20:41:44 Gelb: tell it chuqu :) Mar 30 20:41:45 i suppose next update i'll yank out the translated strings... too afraid to hit the suspend or delete update on the currently in-review update since almost every action i do regarding app submission tends to end in breakage Mar 30 20:41:56 heh Mar 30 20:42:10 Over my spring break I'm polishing and releasing my app in the App Catalog Mar 30 20:45:52 who is going to the jquery conference? Mar 30 20:46:01 not me Mar 30 20:46:18 would be cool to combine with the palm developer day Mar 30 20:47:25 gelb: especially if palm says "select other for all countries and that will use the english texts" .. it should be the default Mar 30 20:57:22 whoa, lots of people coming in. Mar 30 20:57:25 y'ello! Mar 30 20:57:28 hi! Mar 30 20:57:48 I prefer orange, actually Mar 30 20:57:51 just sayin =] Mar 30 20:58:30 har har Mar 30 20:58:36 hi Mar 30 20:58:36 ho Mar 30 20:59:00 oh, save and restore Mar 30 20:59:01 nice Mar 30 21:01:26 it is verry nice Mar 30 21:02:13 funny you say that, Adora, because in Pidgin your name color is, in fact, orange. Mar 30 21:03:14 hey adora! Mar 30 21:03:35 heya! Mar 30 21:03:46 * swisstomcat purrs Mar 30 21:03:48 how was the con? Mar 30 21:04:10 it was great .. got lots of interest Mar 30 21:04:36 if people hear linux/webkit/html/css/javascript/sdl they're hooked Mar 30 21:05:22 we installed preware on some swiss pre devices :) Mar 30 21:05:32 gave away books Mar 30 21:05:35 did you see the pics? Mar 30 21:05:47 I saw a couple, retweeted one Mar 30 21:06:19 Adora: you guys need to do a conference in the midwest (kansas city)! Mar 30 21:06:52 or predevcamp needs to start a new event Mar 30 21:06:52 or europe .. hint .. hint Mar 30 21:07:03 middle of Mar 30 21:07:21 sound in duke still sucks, kind of Mar 30 21:07:29 although i'm thinking about coming to the developer day .. to bad it's overlapping with the jquery conference Mar 30 21:07:45 ino Mar 30 21:07:46 adora: still have 8 books left ... shall i raffle them off? Mar 30 21:07:49 I can't afford a hotel for dev days otherwise I would be there Mar 30 21:07:56 there will be more developer days, though Mar 30 21:08:04 good to know! Mar 30 21:08:10 halfhalo_class: what if we set up a hotel share? Mar 30 21:08:21 :D Mar 30 21:08:23 Thing is, I'm under 21 Mar 30 21:08:27 can't rent a room Mar 30 21:08:30 otherwise I would be there Mar 30 21:09:00 And by not able to afford a room I mean a room at a hotel that doesn't care about ages Mar 30 21:09:14 with a hotel share, someone else could book the room and everyone staying there would pay him/her back in cash Mar 30 21:09:15 Hell, I have plenty of marriot points to spend if I could Mar 30 21:09:27 we can ask chuq if we can sleep under his desk Mar 30 21:09:42 or adora's Mar 30 21:09:45 swisstomcat: bad idea, too many webos books under his desk Mar 30 21:09:54 oh, hehe Mar 30 21:10:01 and you don't want to know what's under mine Mar 30 21:10:06 although I do always have blankets Mar 30 21:10:13 (including the app catalog blanket!) Mar 30 21:10:21 What about a plane ticket share? :) Mar 30 21:10:21 the app catalog blanket!? Mar 30 21:10:27 Adora: pics or it didn't happen Mar 30 21:10:34 sec Mar 30 21:10:36 yeah, a plane ticket share would be great :) Mar 30 21:10:37 i asked this in the forums over the weekend but noone answered - there is no way to make anything copyable, unless it is a text field, right? Mar 30 21:10:39 Hmmmm Mar 30 21:10:48 I may/may not go Mar 30 21:10:55 Its a fri-sat thing Mar 30 21:11:00 thought it was a wed-thurs thing Mar 30 21:11:09 kmudrick: that's part of the framework. You could possibly make your own, but it would be tricky Mar 30 21:11:12 lets see if I can snag a hotel in that case... Mar 30 21:11:22 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sophistechate/4264392193/in/set-72157623156001863/ Mar 30 21:11:33 whoa, major win Mar 30 21:11:37 wow! Mar 30 21:12:06 i can totally see myself wrapping up in that Mar 30 21:12:22 Adora: use it for those long review days? Mar 30 21:12:37 omg that's freaking awesome. Mar 30 21:12:40 I used to, now it's on the wall outside my cube Mar 30 21:13:02 got a different blanket that looks like a big fur coat that I use all the time Mar 30 21:13:10 looks like a rich old lady lap blanket Mar 30 21:13:12 i hope no cat fur! Mar 30 21:13:16 Tibfib: blah, thanks Mar 30 21:14:05 kmudrick: something semi-easy: set up a tap listener for the screen. when you tap a div, give the options to copy the contents? Mar 30 21:14:13 Adora: is the app review queue really backed up these days compared to say, a few weeks ago? Mar 30 21:14:54 kmudrick: it's gonna get messy for a while with all the int'l ecomm updates Mar 30 21:15:13 Tibfib: not a bad idea, might try something along those lines Mar 30 21:15:16 adora: still interested in a report about the expo for official use (pics and text) Mar 30 21:15:27 swisstomcat: of course! Mar 30 21:15:46 ok, i'll work on it tomorrow Mar 30 21:15:53 how big/long? Mar 30 21:16:14 kmudrick: a popup menu would be easiest: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1874&Itemid=244#.popupSubmenu Mar 30 21:16:43 swisstomcat: ladies' skirt rule Mar 30 21:16:56 long enough to cover the subject, but short enough to be interesting =] Mar 30 21:17:03 lol Mar 30 21:17:10 very short then Mar 30 21:17:15 :D Mar 30 21:17:18 and lots of pictures Mar 30 21:17:23 yup Mar 30 21:17:43 just blog about it somewhere and I'll retweet it Mar 30 21:18:00 allright, sounds good Mar 30 21:18:02 Oh Mar 30 21:18:03 sweet Mar 30 21:18:11 guess who looks like their going to dev days Mar 30 21:18:12 adora: what about those 8 books left .. raffle? Mar 30 21:18:26 I'm especially curious to read about what people's common questions were Mar 30 21:18:35 yep, raffle is fine Mar 30 21:18:46 or save them for another event Mar 30 21:18:58 Looks like Marriott is fine with anyone over 18 checking in with a credit card Mar 30 21:19:30 halfhalo_class: awesome! Mar 30 21:19:56 most common question: why is it not officially available in switzerland :) Mar 30 21:20:13 just gotta make sure they don't care Mar 30 21:20:29 But theres a Residence Inn really close to there, which is sweet Mar 30 21:21:08 guess i'll wait for another developer day that doesn't collide with another conference Mar 30 21:21:28 when would another one be .. approx? Mar 30 21:21:46 mmm Mar 30 21:21:56 can't say =] Mar 30 21:21:58 not quite yet Mar 30 21:22:08 but we're expecting to do several this year Mar 30 21:22:21 will try to, anyway Mar 30 21:22:24 good to know Mar 30 21:23:04 i'm sure one in europe would be appreciated too Mar 30 21:23:18 e.g london Mar 30 21:23:42 Palm was always in Munich, in earlier times Mar 30 21:23:47 Sweeet. Its next to the 101 as well Mar 30 21:23:54 to the munich Oktoberfest Mar 30 21:23:55 straight shot up from here Mar 30 21:24:31 Now just gotta work the timing out... Mar 30 21:24:35 munich sounds good too Mar 30 21:25:26 Berlin would be even better.... for me Mar 30 21:27:16 * swisstomcat is one tired cat Mar 30 21:27:19 night all Mar 30 21:27:32 n9 Mar 30 21:28:02 cya Mar 30 21:28:10 mmm, Oktoberfest. Mar 30 21:28:45 "Waffen des Krieges" in the German AppCatalog, sounds terrible Mar 30 21:29:16 Weapons of War sounds kind of cool, the translation is only for stupid freaks Mar 30 21:34:35 MetaView: the translation is okay. but you are right: especially in german the english title often sounds better. Mar 30 21:35:29 but on the other hand: if you want to be different to all the other apps it is often a good idea to localize the title as well. Mar 30 21:36:52 but in this case it sounds more like an ebook, Art of war or something Mar 30 21:36:59 ack. Mar 30 21:37:41 we localized one of our iphone/android apps to many languages. in some it can be successfull like hell, in other languages you don't see any difference. Mar 30 21:38:33 our czech iphone app got approved end of last week, yesterday it went to place one of all free apps. Mar 30 21:39:03 congrats Mar 30 21:39:18 but for other languages.. no effect at all. probably it highly depends on the culture how much people like a localized app there. Mar 30 21:39:59 in germany it is probably more than okay to have just an english app. Mar 30 21:40:36 Kriegwaffen! Mar 30 21:40:53 +s Mar 30 21:40:56 Kuraiou: Kriegswaffen Mar 30 21:40:57 * Kuraiou shrugs. Mar 30 21:40:59 * Kuraiou doesn't know german. Mar 30 21:41:10 * Kuraiou is just kludging sounds together like a toddler with play blocks. Mar 30 21:41:12 for that, very good :) Mar 30 21:41:56 someone is standing on my cable... Mar 30 21:42:22 rapidshare is dead... Mar 30 21:43:10 as long as palm is still alive... Mar 30 21:43:15 who knows for how long. Mar 30 21:44:02 at least a year Mar 30 21:44:44 yes, they have money for another year. but thats not good enough. Mar 30 21:45:35 I think they'll be fine... as long as webos2.0 comes out this summmer/fall Mar 30 21:46:54 they need better phones. Mar 30 21:47:12 well a pre2 with webOS 2.0 of course :) Mar 30 21:47:28 pre / pixi is not bad at all, but it is more like a better version of the iphone. it is not like the palm devices they had in the past. Mar 30 21:47:38 just having a "better iphone" is not good enough, in my opinion. Mar 30 21:47:49 the os is great, but they need more interesting hardware. Mar 30 21:48:10 It just needs a hardware refresh. New processor, better keyboard, slightly bigger screen, better standard battery...etc Mar 30 21:48:23 better keyboard, or no keyboard. Mar 30 21:48:38 I want a keyboard Mar 30 21:48:57 I love the keyboard. Mar 30 21:48:59 n8 Mar 30 21:49:00 yes, you want a keyboard. i want one too. but there are many customers that don't care. Mar 30 21:49:09 but hey, I'll be buying the next pre almost no matter what. Mar 30 21:49:21 and i would like to have a usable keyboard, not one that only people with small fingers can use. Mar 30 21:49:22 there are a lot of people that buy a pre/pixi over another option /because/ it has a keyboard. Mar 30 21:49:22 (ie unless it sucks) Mar 30 21:49:30 it's something that differentiates itself from a lot of the top competitors. Mar 30 21:49:39 the droid keyboard, for instance, is a piece of crap. Mar 30 21:49:41 everyone hates it. Mar 30 21:49:45 Kuraiou: ack. Mar 30 21:49:48 Kuraiou: worst keyboard ever Mar 30 21:49:54 I know people that dumped their droid for a nexus one because of that stupid keyboard. Mar 30 21:50:09 but they got the droid in the first place BECAUSE it had a keyboard... they shoulda gone Pre, but they were thinking Android OS or iPhone. Mar 30 21:50:12 and they went android. Mar 30 21:50:14 g1 has the best keyboard of all android-devices. this is a shame, because the g1 is extremely old. Mar 30 21:50:18 yeah. Mar 30 21:50:22 android also has the dumbest versioning crap ever. Mar 30 21:50:34 I'm running into eight million problems trying to build for both Palm PDK and Android Mar 30 21:50:44 I don't want to join the android battle Mar 30 21:50:45 but a keyboard needs space. so you should have a very good keyboard, or just no keyboard. the pre keyboard is not good enough, not large enough. Mar 30 21:50:48 because Android's GL ES stuff is just... freaking awful Mar 30 21:50:51 they need more devices, more different devices. Mar 30 21:50:52 it doesn't support SDL_ttf Mar 30 21:50:56 it doesn't support SDL_image Mar 30 21:51:07 only version 2.0+ support OGLES 2.0... Mar 30 21:51:12 palm's PDK is so much nicer in pretty much every way. Mar 30 21:51:26 never tried gl on android. Mar 30 21:51:46 but i hate that javascript-stuff on palm. Mar 30 21:52:42 sdl sounds very interesting on palm, if i were interested in developing games, maybe i would love it. have some experiences with sdl on linux. Mar 30 21:52:43 Gelb: Works pretty well for a large chunk of the applications people need. Plus, JavaScript isn't as bad as I feared it was. Mar 30 21:52:46 heh... I like javascript Mar 30 21:52:58 I learned how to program with javascript Mar 30 21:53:09 javascript is okay, but the documentation for webos is awfull. Mar 30 21:53:15 I haven't taken the plunge with the pdk yet Mar 30 21:54:34 but... both, android and webos, are much better than iphone. much more things you can do. but i think that palm suffers because they are not able to make clear what exactly is better. Mar 30 21:55:42 Gelb: True, documentation for Mojo could be better. I put together http://webos101.com to help. People need to go add to it! Mar 30 21:55:58 (nice plug (b^.^)b) Mar 30 21:56:05 well part of the problem with webOS is the lack of variety in hardware Mar 30 21:56:26 although in some cases it's nice for developers to not have eight million pieces of hardware to write for. Mar 30 21:56:32 Android never really took off until it was offered on a variety of handsets on several carriers Mar 30 21:56:46 Kuraiou: yes, but thats not all. another problem is, that their new hardware is too different to their old hardware. Mar 30 21:56:57 yeah, G1 and Pre were pretty much neck and neck, and then the Hero came out, and then the Droid, and the Nexus One... Mar 30 21:57:04 and Android just gobbled up all the mindshare Mar 30 21:57:09 Gelb: agreed Mar 30 21:57:15 customers, that liked their old hardware, maybe often don't like the new, it is too different. Mar 30 21:57:20 although it's mostly with the fact that they don't unify OS updates as well as Palm does Mar 30 21:57:29 they should first try to make their old customers happy, then try to find new. Mar 30 21:57:33 but every single android phone does something different Mar 30 21:57:38 screen resolution issues are the worst Mar 30 21:57:51 I wish the Pre's screen were bigger. Mar 30 21:57:52 * Kuraiou sigh. Mar 30 21:57:58 Kuraiou: s/resolution/density/ Mar 30 21:58:16 no, they've actually got different pixel counts on different machines. Mar 30 21:58:51 as long as the screen size is also higher, a higher resolution is no problem. you get issues if the screen size remains the same. Mar 30 21:59:10 by Palm using CSS, though, it's easy to handle using width% height:% Mar 30 21:59:31 Gelb, nonono. when you're writing a game you want this button here at 50px by 50px, and that button there at 100px by 50px, and you want 50px in between them Mar 30 21:59:31 only Mar 30 21:59:47 if the screen has an additional 10px from waht you're assuming and you don't code it right, suddenly you've got an ugly gap on the right side of the buttons Mar 30 21:59:59 on android you have not only "px", you have "dip", "device independent pixels". the higher the density, the more pixels you get for every "dip". Mar 30 22:00:17 ........ Mar 30 22:00:20 seriously? Mar 30 22:00:25 that's their solution? Mar 30 22:00:29 yes, mainly. Mar 30 22:00:35 doesn't solve everything. Mar 30 22:01:10 on a 320x480-screen 1px=1dip. Mar 30 22:01:42 Palm obviously had multiple resolutions in mind, but without multiple hardware partners it's difficult to see this advantage. =( Mar 30 22:01:44 That's actually not a bad solution imo.... Although, I haven't had to use it. Mar 30 22:01:45 on other devices, like nexus one, 1,5px=1dip. Mar 30 22:01:56 1.5px Mar 30 22:03:37 and you can provide different graphics. you could, for example, provide only one icon for 320x480, and on a high resolution device it will simply upscale. but you can provide graphics for different densities, so scaling is not necessary. looks better then. Mar 30 22:03:57 sounds gut, but there are still a lot of issues. Mar 30 22:05:08 css floats and percentage widths/heights = win Mar 30 22:06:21 Android did put a lot of effort into their dip approach, but it still has holes. And I doubt that many developers care much more than how it looks on -their- device. Mar 30 22:07:10 Roy-Pre101: thats why google is sending free nexus one phones to most of the developers. *g* Mar 30 22:08:44 They didn't send me a free nexus one phone! Mar 30 22:09:20 Roy-Pre101: so, your app wasn't good enough... ;-> Mar 30 22:09:21 how many Pre apps do I have to make before I get a Pre Plus? :) Mar 30 22:09:31 heh Mar 30 22:09:39 (probably more than one... *sigh*) Mar 30 22:10:59 quality is better than quantity... look at brighthouse labs Mar 30 22:11:08 hah! Mar 30 22:11:35 google has more than enough money. and they like to kick apples ass. Mar 30 22:12:12 palm has to be more careful about their money. Mar 30 22:14:06 yeah, no joke. Mar 30 22:14:07 * Kuraiou sigsh. Mar 30 22:57:57 woohoo!!! Mar 30 22:58:19 got something working that's been very elusive. Mar 30 22:58:37 so, take that, you elusive thing.... Mar 30 23:00:11 hah, congrats Mar 30 23:47:06 hi guys! Mar 30 23:53:47 hi Mar 30 23:54:22 ola Mar 30 23:55:12 any one know where the current version of RemoteLinux Desktop can be found ? Mar 30 23:59:54 halfhalo_T400: :D ola! are u from spain? Mar 31 00:00:10 gpgp: I don't know what are u trying to say with RemoteLinux Desktop? Mar 31 00:00:26 its a peice of software Mar 31 00:00:40 i tried to install it but it says it has expired Mar 31 00:00:50 remotelinux desktop lite actually Mar 31 00:01:07 i went to the web page but its not found there Mar 31 00:01:09 but remote linux is a webos app? Mar 31 00:01:16 yep Mar 31 00:01:32 I didn't heard never about it... what's is? a kind of VNC? Mar 31 00:01:47 yes they make a windows one too Mar 31 00:02:08 i found it while looking through the ipkg repos Mar 31 00:03:13 As I said I didn't hear about it... use ssh from webos :) Mar 31 00:03:16 its in the precentral app gallery feed in the wosqi Mar 31 00:03:33 what werer the functions that remote linux allows? Mar 31 00:04:02 http://www.deepthoughtsoftware.com/RemoteLinux_Guide Mar 31 00:14:45 sup Mar 31 00:22:41 http://github.com/Kuraiou/WebOS-Tools -- fixed a bug. Mar 31 00:22:48 not that anyone is using AssistantBase, I'm sure, but.... Mar 31 00:29:19 Kuraiou: Do you have a link to that on webos101.com? Mar 31 00:29:23 It looks handy. Mar 31 00:31:04 oh, it is ;) Mar 31 00:31:16 I'm using it in all the things I'm working on. Mar 31 00:31:37 the addListener and setupX() magic in particular makes development very simple. Mar 31 00:31:41 Where should I link it? Mar 31 00:35:38 hi all Mar 31 00:36:00 also hi all Mar 31 00:36:14 hey haeffb Mar 31 00:36:20 u just get here? Mar 31 00:36:28 off and on Mar 31 00:36:33 just got back home Mar 31 00:36:40 lemme guess Mar 31 00:36:45 Kuraiou: Hmm, not sure! Mar 31 00:36:45 gon4bball? Mar 31 00:38:08 Kuraiou: Need a libraries section. Or something similar Mar 31 00:38:10 nope. gon4settingupmyoldlaptopinthewifesofficetoreplaceareallyoldPC Mar 31 00:38:43 myoldlaptop had the LCD go bad Mar 31 00:38:50 so it's now serving as a desktop Mar 31 00:39:49 i c Mar 31 00:39:59 hows the task app going? Mar 31 00:41:20 check this out.... http://www.pastie.org/896330 Mar 31 00:42:41 looks like fun Mar 31 00:42:45 my most brilliant piece of coding ever (which isn't saying much) but it ties everything together. it's the glue that I needed to make this app work. Mar 31 00:43:07 cool man. so when is your first release? Mar 31 00:43:11 now that I've got that down, the rest is just details. Mar 31 00:43:19 bugger if I know Mar 31 00:43:32 depends on when/if I can find time to work on it. Mar 31 00:43:48 probably about 2 months after somebody else releases something similar. Mar 31 00:43:53 ") Mar 31 00:43:58 yup Mar 31 00:44:05 bbiaf Mar 31 00:45:09 nifty. Mar 31 01:01:39 man, a list of icons would be nice too. Mar 31 01:01:43 maybe it's time to dig into source again. Mar 31 01:01:51 or something about how to make icons for commandMenus. Mar 31 01:10:34 ping sugardavE: Mar 31 01:10:50 sugardave: or that guy.. Mar 31 01:18:59 christ, I am way too lazy to draw my own icons... Mar 31 01:18:59 * Kuraiou sighs Mar 31 01:19:05 I guess I'll figure it out later. Mar 31 01:19:21 icons for what? Mar 31 01:21:27 has webos some kind of loop or function to create it¿ Mar 31 01:21:39 this is a system loop, as for example in gtk, the gtk_main Mar 31 01:21:46 no, the while, for, etc... etc... :D Mar 31 01:27:48 uh...what? Mar 31 01:28:39 :) Mar 31 01:29:58 * haeffb reinstalling Komodo edit Mar 31 01:30:52 i thought you used eclipse? Mar 31 01:31:59 I do Mar 31 01:32:22 so do you need to reinstall komodoedit for eclipse ? Mar 31 01:32:34 moving to the darkside? Mar 31 01:33:11 just wanting to see what Templarian has done lately Mar 31 01:33:44 * Templarian grins. Mar 31 01:34:16 Bmyers: to be more correct eclipse would be the darkside. Komodo Edit is the light side. :) Mar 31 01:34:30 hehehe Mar 31 01:34:40 booking hotel Mar 31 01:34:56 hello, Templarian! Mar 31 01:34:59 i think the darkside were snappier dressers so its a compliment Mar 31 01:35:35 * Templarian thinks yes because all black in a desert is stylish. Mar 31 01:35:38 so, when I try to DL beautifier, it opens it in a webpage instead? Mar 31 01:36:13 Tan, robed with white inset. Dress for your location. Sith have no style. Mar 31 01:36:36 haeffb: right click save as? Mar 31 01:37:03 duh. Mar 31 01:38:15 that works? Mar 31 01:38:23 never could get that working Mar 31 01:38:25 :P Mar 31 01:38:42 Its a toolbox thing I wrote. You have to import it to the toolbox. Mar 31 01:39:03 Templarian: if there was a plugin that worked like the eclipse method list I'd be really impressed. Mar 31 01:39:16 I've looked but doesnt seem to be one that works with JS Mar 31 01:39:19 There is I told you that. Mar 31 01:39:29 Or I told someone. Mar 31 01:39:52 it only show 1 method for an entire js Mar 31 01:40:13 adora: Any updates on the meetup @ Palm HQ next month? Mar 31 01:40:54 Bmyers: http://community.activestate.com/addons?page=1 one of these addons does it. Or the IDE has it built in also. Mar 31 01:41:03 (truth be told, the thing I liked best about Komodo was the ease in changing themes) Mar 31 01:41:14 (because I liked the "dark" theme...) Mar 31 01:41:21 (so, yes, darkside... :) ) Mar 31 01:41:38 that's just a property in the appinfo.json lol. Mar 31 01:41:42 you know what would be cool? Mar 31 01:41:42 PTT Mar 31 01:41:48 no, the Komodo theme Mar 31 01:42:00 oh. Mar 31 01:42:03 light text on a dark background. Mar 31 01:42:13 never could figure out how to do that easily in ecliplse Mar 31 01:42:21 oh god my brain aghh Mar 31 01:42:31 Yea i use to have a really nice theme but when I formatted I left it behind. Mar 31 01:42:40 Templarian: where is it in komoedit? Mar 31 01:44:28 Where is what? Mar 31 01:45:07 (I said the IDE has it built in not the open source Komodo Edit) Mar 31 01:45:21 o Mar 31 01:45:23 right Mar 31 01:45:49 how do you do modelChanged with a commandMenu x.x Mar 31 01:46:03 * Kuraiou is braindumb today. Mar 31 01:46:18 * Templarian is having fun messing with Windows Phone 7 development, so much more fun while waiting for Palm to die. (no offense... yep). Mar 31 01:46:52 yeah how is that? the WM7, not the writing on the wall Mar 31 01:47:37 WP7 (they rebranded). It's amazing. Mar 31 01:48:06 I know most of you are going to be jumping to Android most likely but would be nice to see others join the WP7 path. Mar 31 01:48:25 i no longer have brand alliance Mar 31 01:48:26 Kuraiou: save this.commandMenuModel during setupWidget Mar 31 01:48:44 Templarian mind if I chat u? Mar 31 01:48:54 Templarian: amazing? as in amazing to develop for? or amazing OS? Mar 31 01:48:56 Neither do I most webOS people I know are going to the EVO, I'm holding out to for WP7. Mar 31 01:49:07 got it. Mar 31 01:49:09 I had a typo in there. Mar 31 01:49:12 thought I'd been doing something else. Mar 31 01:49:23 haeffb: either way. XNA is awesome (haven't developed an actual application yet, just messing with the game tools). Mar 31 01:49:33 Bmyers: go ahead. Mar 31 01:49:59 who can I improve this code? http://pastebin.com/h9KerqXc I don't know how to pass the object Mar 31 01:50:00 jesus. Mar 31 01:50:12 * haeffb switched from HTC Touch Diamond to Pre. WM6.x isn't anywhere close. Mar 31 01:50:17 Talk about being a fucking pessimist, Templarian... Mar 31 01:50:23 WP7 is a completely different ballgame....? Mar 31 01:50:30 pardon my language, but... Mar 31 01:50:36 xota: what are you trying to do? Mar 31 01:51:23 Kuraiou: at the moment execute this function after 3 seconds... after this works, put in a while loop Mar 31 01:51:42 Kuraiou: your still on the first stage... don't worry the 2nd stage goes fast then the third stage now I'm on the 4th stage the 5th being actually getting a new device. Mar 31 01:52:11 * Templarian wanders off. Mar 31 01:54:56 xota: you can just pass the function directly. Mar 31 01:55:14 setTimeout(getCurrentPosition.bind(this), 3000) Mar 31 01:55:21 then getCurrentPosition has no parameters, and you just use 'this' instead of object Mar 31 01:57:27 * haeffb is finding the process of creating a new project in Komodo...frustrating. Mar 31 01:58:08 haeffb: really... because not sure if you tried the command line way but that is annoying. Mar 31 01:59:48 Kuraiou: If I do this, I can't access this in the function... it's undefine Mar 31 02:00:17 Project/New Project Mar 31 02:01:14 haeffb: did you find it? to create a mojo, in the webos bar (bottom), the first button Mar 31 02:03:31 select an empty folder. Mar 31 02:03:36 what empty folder? Mar 31 02:03:59 ohhh Kuraiou sorry, it's my fault... your code works :) thanks Mar 31 02:06:56 u get it haeffb? Mar 31 02:07:20 no problem^^ Mar 31 02:07:32 more or less. Mar 31 02:07:51 select an empty folder means create a new empty folder Mar 31 02:18:48 whee, having fun with commandmenu and dialogs causing weird display issues. Mar 31 02:33:34 wtffffffff Mar 31 02:45:37 yay. a zero-star review because the app won't download. Mar 31 02:46:01 the review should reflect the app not the catalog :) Mar 31 02:46:01 those can be removed by chuq Mar 31 02:46:41 yes, in a few days... Mar 31 02:49:11 Hmmmmmmmm Mar 31 02:49:29 5: from here to Sunnyvalle Mar 31 02:49:37 hey Mar 31 02:49:54 I'm having troubles with WebOS quick install. I just tried using it for the first time since the latest WebOS update. I've got the latest WebOS Quick Install. When i try to use the tweaks it says "IT appears your device's version of webOS has recently updated. WeboS Quick install needs to transition patches to this new version. Would you like to do that now? Mar 31 02:50:06 Adora: Is there a set time when the dev day thingie would start? Since it potentially affects when I drive up Mar 31 02:50:14 But when it tries to reverse my current patches it fails. Also when i go into device manager and try and uninstall my patches it fails Mar 31 02:50:36 Dave__: Thats more of a topic for #webos-internals Mar 31 02:50:45 k Mar 31 02:50:48 anyone work out sound yet? Mar 31 02:51:03 seeing as palm cannot seem to come up with an example of actually testing pdk bits on the phone Mar 31 02:51:17 anyone else have their internal speak blow? Mar 31 02:51:19 mines screwed Mar 31 02:55:28 halfhalo_T400: in the morning Mar 31 02:55:31 by 9am Mar 31 02:55:55 Damn Mar 31 02:56:08 That means can't drive up that day, have to drive up thurs Mar 31 02:56:34 more details on the schedule and sessions are coming by monday, if not this week Mar 31 02:57:33 what hotel are you guys staying at? Mar 31 02:58:06 we should publish a few recommended places to keep carpooling logistics (and afterparties :) simple Mar 31 02:58:27 I don't know yet... Either the Santa Clara Marriot or Residence Inn next to the 101 Mar 31 02:58:30 :p Mar 31 02:58:35 Marriot rewaords FTW Mar 31 02:58:48 Unless..... Theres a hilton thats cheaper that I can use points at Mar 31 02:58:56 TO THE INTERWEBS **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 31 02:59:56 2010