**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 31 02:59:56 2010 Mar 31 03:00:17 afterparties? Mar 31 03:00:33 I think a 4 start hotel is out of my pricerange Mar 31 03:00:57 and no afterparties for me, not 21 :( Mar 31 03:01:20 how many people are expected to show? Mar 31 03:01:23 although I can carpool since I'll have a car Mar 31 03:03:35 I'm also checking to see if we have any deals with local hotels to get a discount Mar 31 03:06:25 brd Mar 31 03:06:28 brb Mar 31 03:09:29 www.svgrandhotel.com Mar 31 03:09:46 there's grand in the title Mar 31 03:09:51 $139/night (ask for the palm preferred rate) Mar 31 03:09:53 out of my price range right there Mar 31 03:10:03 breakfast, internet, free shuttle to SJC and Palm HQ Mar 31 03:10:13 $109 on friday and saturday, I think Mar 31 03:10:29 https://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/sfosu-residence-inn-sunnyvale-silicon-valley-ii/ is offering 119 a night rates Mar 31 03:10:34 Just as an FYI Mar 31 03:10:45 and is about 3 miles away from palm hq Mar 31 03:11:25 ahh, they're mini suites Mar 31 03:11:26 nice Mar 31 03:11:33 yeah Mar 31 03:11:55 Free wifi, etc Mar 31 03:12:21 and if I end up booking there I can fit 4 others into my car as well to carpool Mar 31 03:12:45 and shuttle to airport Mar 31 03:13:19 howdy all Mar 31 03:13:52 Courtyard San Jose Cupertino is offering 80 a night it looks like Mar 31 03:14:58 And there you get to laught at the apple people, which is a plus Mar 31 03:15:04 I mean... What? Mar 31 03:15:20 mean Mar 31 03:15:50 I'm not disagreeing with you there Mar 31 03:15:55 I'm heading home for dinner and basic personal hygiene, back in a bit Mar 31 03:16:02 have fun Mar 31 03:16:03 halfhalo_T400: keep me updated on what you find =] Mar 31 03:17:42 kk Mar 31 03:47:51 hi all Mar 31 03:47:59 hola Mar 31 03:48:36 Hi Jenp Mar 31 03:48:53 hi guys Mar 31 04:15:20 ladies Mar 31 04:33:25 sooo.... I really want the losers to be out now Mar 31 04:33:29 but its out the 23 Mar 31 04:33:31 rd Mar 31 04:33:37 which means I see it in sunnyvale Mar 31 04:44:47 want to read about a ridiculous Amazon patent: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20001460-248.html?tag=newsLatestHeadlinesArea.0 Mar 31 05:43:52 morning Mar 31 05:55:38 everyone busy buying apps? Mar 31 06:22:09 Who's here? Mar 31 06:22:38 moi Mar 31 06:22:50 swisstomcat: you said you got the sound stuff all going with that sample I sent you? Mar 31 06:25:17 ron ron ron Mar 31 06:25:18 we meet again Mar 31 06:26:26 alexfner: Mar 31 06:26:27 ? Mar 31 06:28:35 i'm here too Mar 31 06:28:47 ron_frown: yes, i do Mar 31 06:29:59 swiss I dont suppose you have a simple poc of that in there do you? Mar 31 06:30:16 I used that exact sample code in a simple play these sounds fast app, and it didnt work very reliably Mar 31 06:30:21 interested to see how you made it work Mar 31 06:30:37 you can look at the source code, my app is open source Mar 31 06:30:50 i didn't really change much besides move it to a global js Mar 31 06:30:55 and have global audio objects Mar 31 06:35:09 do you preload sounds/reuse sounds Mar 31 06:35:13 or just load each iter Mar 31 06:40:28 i don't preload (yet) Mar 31 06:40:39 i load when needed (there are 18 sounds) Mar 31 06:40:51 would you like to have the ipk? Mar 31 06:50:15 sure Mar 31 06:50:21 I think you gave me url once Mar 31 06:50:27 but I couldnt get it Mar 31 06:51:23 swisstomcat: you should update webos101.com with audio stuff. Mar 31 06:51:44 if ron_frown doesn't mind Mar 31 06:51:59 not at all Mar 31 06:52:15 I would have done it myself, just didnt have absolute confirmation it was working well enough Mar 31 06:52:58 the only problems i had was invalid_state in one app, but not in the other Mar 31 06:53:00 just put my nick in comments at the top or something Mar 31 06:53:19 well thats all the manager not keeping good enough control over sounds that have played or not Mar 31 06:53:32 and if I had to guess its something to do with how it handles real quick taps Mar 31 06:55:43 where would sound go, roy-pre101? Mar 31 06:55:58 audio Mar 31 06:56:04 I think there's a section there already. Mar 31 06:57:40 didn't see it yet Mar 31 07:02:06 ron_frown: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.5_all.ipk Mar 31 07:04:17 danke Mar 31 07:05:20 wonder if palm is oging to announce new software soon Mar 31 07:05:26 worried about all the negative articles coming out lately Mar 31 07:16:41 new software or new hardware? Mar 31 07:16:50 new hardware is more important imho Mar 31 07:18:07 thats what I meant =) Mar 31 07:18:21 hardware did a terrible job of showcasing their os which is great Mar 31 07:18:32 and I think palm should test some of their shit against some common apps Mar 31 07:18:34 hardware is ok, i wouldn't call it terrible Mar 31 07:18:37 eg, the html5 media stuff was crapola Mar 31 07:18:44 I dont like screen and keyboard on the palm devices Mar 31 07:18:48 it performs decently Mar 31 07:18:51 my pre flies now at 720Mhz Mar 31 07:19:18 I got a pixi plus Mar 31 07:19:25 I think pixi is a lot slower than pre, no? Mar 31 07:20:20 it's slower, yes Mar 31 07:20:23 different processor Mar 31 07:23:13 Qualcomm MSM7627 vs. TI OMAP Mar 31 08:56:57 pixi really isnt that much slower than stock pre in actual use Mar 31 08:57:08 it comes by default clocked at 600mhz Mar 31 08:57:31 and by the naive measure of bogomips, actually clocks in higher than a stock pre Mar 31 09:05:00 the graphics accelerator is slower tho? Mar 31 09:29:51 swisstomcat: most likely Mar 31 09:38:17 i might pick up a gsm pixi plus as a developer device Mar 31 09:38:31 unless palm announces another device above the pre Mar 31 09:39:31 pixi keyboard is really quite nice Mar 31 09:39:41 much better than the pre's Mar 31 09:40:00 gsm pixi plus would be a good world phone... Mar 31 09:40:22 or more specifically RoW phone Mar 31 09:40:38 i'm ROW Mar 31 09:42:11 hmm, can't submit an app :( Mar 31 10:54:27 Hi. I'm looking to create an EPG (electronic program guide) style application for webos. So far all I seem to be able to do is create simple lists. Does anyone have any ideas? Mar 31 10:54:34 hi ajp Mar 31 10:55:00 how do you get your epg data? Mar 31 10:56:19 i download it using an ajax request Mar 31 10:56:58 i guess the app could look like a calendar Mar 31 10:57:22 yes, that's the kind of interface I'd like to create. I'm just not sure how to do it! Mar 31 10:57:34 you can look at the calendar source code Mar 31 10:57:41 or start with a simple list Mar 31 10:57:45 and go from there Mar 31 10:58:12 is it possible to have multiple columns in lists? Mar 31 10:59:15 a list is just a html snippet, so it should be possible Mar 31 10:59:24 each row is a html-snippet Mar 31 10:59:39 there's also the drawer widget which can be put into lists Mar 31 11:00:20 i use a html-table inside a list for my app (public transport timetable) Mar 31 11:00:36 html-table in a drawer inside a list Mar 31 11:01:13 i started with this article: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7563 Mar 31 11:01:55 i see Mar 31 11:02:23 the calendar source code comes with the SDK Mar 31 11:08:06 you could even use a table .. remember it's just a browser page Mar 31 11:09:09 if I did that, would it be possible to dynamically create the table from the scene assistance js? Mar 31 11:11:57 i'm want to create something similar to this: http://www.precisestatistics.com/solutions/EPG/index_files/epg.jpg Mar 31 11:12:08 i want to* Mar 31 11:12:30 the calendar app looks like a good candidate to start from Mar 31 11:57:57 ajp: yes, you could create the table dynamically Mar 31 11:58:39 ajp: you can have any empty div in your view and then add your table elements Mar 31 11:58:51 I'm loving this hawx game. Mar 31 11:59:03 no apps for me :( Mar 31 11:59:27 the benefits of importing a Sprint Pre from the US :) Mar 31 11:59:28 i'd probably buy the space shuttle sim Mar 31 12:01:14 ok, I've now got far enough in this game that it's time to write a saverestore script for it. Mar 31 12:01:52 hehe Mar 31 12:13:31 works :) Mar 31 13:11:50 slightly off topic question: is there a site somewhere that can show me the apps i've purchased? Mar 31 13:12:47 i don't know if that's possible Mar 31 13:13:39 is there a way on the phone to determine the apps that i've purchased? Mar 31 13:14:32 does anyone know when paid apps are scheduled to go live for EU? Mar 31 13:15:05 they're not live yet? Mar 31 13:15:10 no :( Mar 31 13:15:56 it's only 6:15am in sunnyvale Mar 31 13:16:33 'Modern Combat' was on there early this morning, marked up as £3.49 - it's the first paid app I've seen. I went to purchase and it wouldn't let me. It's since been pulled from the app catalog Mar 31 13:17:23 maybe they'll flip the switch first thing in the morning Mar 31 13:17:32 hopefully :) Mar 31 13:22:15 do you know what modern combat is? Mar 31 13:24:28 a new gameloft game? Mar 31 13:25:29 yeah. it's a FPS with online play Mar 31 13:27:15 is today the deadline for paid apps in EU app stores ? Mar 31 13:27:32 there's no deadline? Mar 31 13:27:36 today's the first day, or tomorrow is... Mar 31 13:28:08 I thought they said paid apps would be available in the EU in March ? Mar 31 13:29:17 yeah Mar 31 13:29:25 here's hoping anyway Mar 31 13:29:32 but it's still early in the morning (6:30) in sunnyvale Mar 31 13:29:36 :D Mar 31 13:29:52 I'm not an official user though Mar 31 13:30:14 the Pre is being carried by an irish company but I'm using a rebelsim atm Mar 31 13:30:27 is it still possible to get access to the store ? Mar 31 13:31:20 ow burnt tongue ow ow Mar 31 13:31:30 yep, store is still working here in Chicago. Mar 31 13:31:46 you don't have to sign up via an official carrier ? Mar 31 13:32:07 I'm with Sprint. Mar 31 13:32:16 techknowlust: not on GSM, no. Mar 31 13:32:24 awesome Mar 31 13:32:39 but you have to be in the supported countries Mar 31 13:32:44 which IE is Mar 31 13:32:55 swisstomcat: no you don't. Mar 31 13:33:07 officially, yes Mar 31 13:33:15 without tricks Mar 31 13:33:24 no tricks needed. Mar 31 13:33:39 i'd consider metadoctor a trick? Mar 31 13:33:57 I got a virgin German unlocked GSM Pre. Put in an Australian vodafone SIM, activated and created a profile. No tricks, no metadoctor. Mar 31 13:34:32 same here .. german unlocked gsm pre .. orange switzerland sim Mar 31 13:34:38 was NANplayer ever released ? Mar 31 13:34:40 and the app catalog you end up with is based on the language setting of the Pre when you create the profile. Mar 31 13:35:03 (and GSM vs CDMA of course) Mar 31 13:35:09 are we talking about paid apps? Mar 31 13:36:31 language is set to de_de Mar 31 13:36:47 i never saw the free nfsu for example Mar 31 13:36:55 * dthought should start thinking about buying unlocked Pres and selling them via ebay... Mar 31 13:41:54 i never saw the free 3d apps for germany, there must be something else .. i have an o2 germany pre Mar 31 13:42:08 swisstomcat: for me they all work... Mar 31 13:42:21 where are you, dthought? Mar 31 13:42:31 germany ;) Mar 31 13:42:36 haha Mar 31 13:42:55 the land of the unlocked pres *G* Mar 31 13:45:34 swisstomcat: what is the language set to in your palm profile when you access it on the web interface at palm.com ? Mar 31 13:46:11 I created a new profile the other day, with the language set to German, and I see the free 3d apps. Mar 31 13:46:20 it must be german Mar 31 13:46:26 where do you login? Mar 31 13:47:03 https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Mar 31 13:47:31 k Mar 31 13:48:10 rwhitby: Country:Germany Language:German Mar 31 13:48:30 Profile Status:Pending Verification .. strange Mar 31 13:49:09 swisstomcat: and you also must never have used that profile for an early access firmware version Mar 31 13:49:33 ah, that's it Mar 31 13:49:34 Mine is Germany/German/Email Verified, and I see NFSU(FREI) Mar 31 13:49:42 sigh Mar 31 13:50:01 I would check the verification first. that might be the reason Mar 31 13:50:19 yeah, the verification email never came through Mar 31 13:50:22 fixed now Mar 31 13:50:28 the early access shouldn't matter, since it's only x.y I believe. Mar 31 13:51:30 guess i need a developer device anyway Mar 31 13:54:43 i wonder if i have to reassociate the profile now Mar 31 13:55:06 payment only works with a german credit card i assume Mar 31 13:56:24 no-one outside the US has payment yet Mar 31 13:56:53 I use a US debit card for my US-country profile on my Sprint Pre. Mar 31 13:56:57 that should change today Mar 31 13:57:43 yeah, I need to find a corresponding service to www.simon.com giftaccounts in .EU somewhere, unless Palm did something right and just allowed PayPal or something. Mar 31 13:58:04 paypal .. that would be something Mar 31 13:58:19 or allowing people to give an app to someone else as a gift Mar 31 13:58:51 i have called depot-manager.js with a function: function DepotManager() {}... and also included this js file into sources.json... but now, if i want create an object of the function DepotManager; var db = new DepotManager() in another js file i get: error: Uncaught ReferenceError: DepotManager is not defined, app/assistants/stage-assistant.js:18 Mar 31 13:59:16 swisstomcat: yeah, at the moment I need to paypal cash to someone in the US to buy a www.simon.com giftaccount for me Mar 31 13:59:18 it should be possible to create the object in stage-assistant.js right? now i need to create the object in the same js as the function is.. Mar 31 13:59:37 if there are any typos or syntax errors in DepotManager, it won't work. Mar 31 13:59:47 also, isn't there stuff with prototyping it so you can make a new object? Mar 31 14:00:03 Kuraiou: but if i create the object within the depot-manager.js i get no error? Mar 31 14:00:09 hrm Mar 31 14:00:10 really? Mar 31 14:00:14 weird.... Mar 31 14:00:31 Kuraiou: wait.. will post the code of depot-manager.js Mar 31 14:00:40 also the relevant line in sources.json please Mar 31 14:01:11 http://paste.ubuntu.com/407076/ Mar 31 14:01:35 http://paste.ubuntu.com/407078/ Mar 31 14:01:39 * rwhitby bbt - night all Mar 31 14:01:51 night rwhtiby Mar 31 14:01:57 night rwhitby Mar 31 14:06:08 night rwhitby Mar 31 14:06:18 Kuraiou: any idea.. or i'm on the wrong way? Mar 31 14:14:29 what's wrong with creating the object inside the depot-manager.js? Mar 31 14:18:14 think nothing.. but normally i can access function from all js i included.. in source.json... Mar 31 14:33:11 * sugardave forgot how awesome screen is. Mar 31 14:33:51 aha... Mar 31 14:33:54 now. i see... Mar 31 14:35:43 stage-assistant will first be processes, and it doesn't know anything about depot-manager.js.... so i can't create an object from the function in depot-manager.js in stage-assistant.js.. Mar 31 14:35:55 why that?.. or how to go another way? Mar 31 14:36:06 load the other first Mar 31 14:36:09 swisstomcat: do you know how the calendar app binds tap events to table cells (like in month view)? I can't find where/how it does this Mar 31 14:36:17 sugardave: in sources.json? Mar 31 14:36:20 yes Mar 31 14:36:21 ajp: hold on Mar 31 14:36:55 ajp: you should be able to to bind a mousedown (or whatever it's called) to any element Mar 31 14:36:58 sugardave: but isn't stage-assistant the main assistant file or am i wrong? Mar 31 14:37:00 ajp: i do it like this this.tapHandler = this.onTap.bindAsEventListener(this); Mar 31 14:37:00 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.window, Mojo.Event.tap, this.tapHandler, false); Mar 31 14:37:27 FirstAssistant.prototype.onTap = function(event) { Mojo.Log.info("observed tap on: object>"+event.srcElement+" nodename>"+event.srcElement.nodeName+" id>"+event.srcElement.id); Mar 31 14:37:32 noaXess: yes, but that matters not....you just want to get the order so your functions/objects are ready when the assistant loads Mar 31 14:37:40 I do it all the time Mar 31 14:38:04 the awesome part is that Mojo stuff is ready even before the assistant loads Mar 31 14:38:06 hi sugardave Mar 31 14:38:07 sugardave: okay.. so.. first load some lib's i use.. then the stage-assistant and then other stages.. Mar 31 14:38:15 Bmyers: yo, how's tricks? Mar 31 14:38:20 noaXess: yes Mar 31 14:38:34 ah doing ok. u? was wondering how drupel was treating u? Mar 31 14:38:50 swisstomcat: that's useful, thanks Mar 31 14:39:06 pretty well, making good headway. I had to go to Londn last week and I got a new laptop, so I JUST finished getting most of my stuff migrated last night Mar 31 14:39:20 sugardave: can i use this "StageAssistant.prototype.handleLaunch" in stage-assistant.js or is this just for app-assistant.js? Mar 31 14:39:36 noaXess: that should work Mar 31 14:39:51 sugardave: so there i can eg. make the depot init... Mar 31 14:39:59 yep yep Mar 31 14:40:04 sugardave what is your drupel site? Mar 31 14:40:24 ping haeffb Mar 31 14:40:32 I have a couple, they are all lame right now :D www.sugardave.com (not much there), www.gomlsoftware.com (not much there) :D Mar 31 14:40:33 i was trying drupel out again after years o not messing with it Mar 31 14:40:53 My first (really bad one) www.warhawkclans.com Mar 31 14:42:02 Bmyers: hope to have a test-able system for my app statistics module in a couple weeks Mar 31 14:42:14 does the admin panel for drupel just suck or is it me? Mar 31 14:42:31 back... Mar 31 14:42:35 I've got endpoints registering as nodes, assigning to applications (also nodes) and basic launch counting in place Mar 31 14:42:35 sorry for delays, I'm at work right now. Mar 31 14:42:46 yes, the admin sucks....check out the module 'admin_menu' Mar 31 14:42:57 http://drupal.org/projects/admin_menu Mar 31 14:43:03 MUCH better Mar 31 14:43:12 page not found? Mar 31 14:43:19 which? Mar 31 14:43:32 oh project Mar 31 14:43:34 singular Mar 31 14:43:46 thx. Mar 31 14:43:48 np Mar 31 14:43:50 i'll try it Mar 31 14:43:54 www.wpmyers.com Mar 31 14:44:03 okay, noaXess: this is set up incorrectly. When you're making a class, you don't put all of the functions of the class inside the declaring function definition. Mar 31 14:44:09 these are mandatory for any serious Drupal effort: CCK, Views, admin_menu Mar 31 14:44:34 you do something like DepotManager.Prototype = { init: function() {}, createDB_success: function() {}, ... } Mar 31 14:44:37 er, lowercase p Mar 31 14:44:40 Kuraiou: now i see that.. :) have changed it to a normal function for the moment.. Mar 31 14:44:48 sorry, I use Prototype itself Mar 31 14:44:55 which has a Class.create() function Mar 31 14:44:58 which is way handier Mar 31 14:45:09 Kuraiou: have sou a sample class code?.. Mar 31 14:45:15 sugardave: you seen my grreader app? Mar 31 14:45:15 of course ;) Mar 31 14:45:23 not familiar with classes.. i just try from examples.. Mar 31 14:45:33 http://github.com/Kuraiou/WebOS-Tools Mar 31 14:45:37 Bmyers: I have your second or third test version on my phone, I think Mar 31 14:45:53 its in the palm beta feed now Mar 31 14:45:55 Preference.js is closer to what you're actually doing, but I use AssistantBase all the time Mar 31 14:46:16 with Prototype, you can inherit classes by doing Class.create(inheritingClass, {classData: ...}) Mar 31 14:46:20 noaXess: use protoypal methods...Class is sooooo un-JS :D Mar 31 14:46:48 * Kuraiou tackles sugardave. Mar 31 14:47:13 LIES Mar 31 14:47:18 OOP is the superior paradigm! Mar 31 14:48:19 OOP is confusing to me Mar 31 14:48:39 swisstomcat: why? Mar 31 14:49:15 i've not used it enough to get it Mar 31 14:49:18 http://webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects is an example of how to do it the "prototype" way, albeit from someone who is an utter n00b, but you get the idea Mar 31 14:49:35 I never use Class..... Mar 31 14:50:49 dtought: probably just a matter of using it to get more familiar Mar 31 14:59:10 ping roy-pre101 Mar 31 15:00:13 you realize Class.create() just passes stuff through to prototype, right? Mar 31 15:01:15 swisstomcat: pong Mar 31 15:04:11 what is the return of this.dataDepot.get(1, success, failure);? Mar 31 15:05:40 it's data from the depot right? or nothing.. Mar 31 15:06:24 code? Mar 31 15:06:54 http://paste.ubuntu.com/407102/ Mar 31 15:07:08 http://snook.ca/archives/other/hundred-pushups Mar 31 15:09:24 noaXess: it returns 1 Mar 31 15:09:36 not really... Mar 31 15:09:45 line 26 Mar 31 15:09:47 return 1 Mar 31 15:09:47 it should yes.. but.. it won't.. or i'm wrong Mar 31 15:10:24 the method this.getData_Success returns 1, but not this.userdata_Depot.get.. this returns data if it found data on record 1 Mar 31 15:11:06 jhojho: cool ... even works in namoroka Mar 31 15:11:52 nice. dont have my pre next to me to try Mar 31 15:13:23 this website (pushups.snook.ca) is asking to store data on your computer for offline use Mar 31 15:13:46 swisstomcat: pong Mar 31 15:15:47 haeffb: what's applique,b-stuff,bovine and applaud in myles? :) Mar 31 15:15:50 Kuriao: you can include as many functions inside the constructor as you'd like. you can add as many more as you'd like later with .prototype.xxx = ... Mar 31 15:16:03 yeah, I nkow. Mar 31 15:16:26 know* Mar 31 15:16:38 ok. that's not what I thought you told noaXess above. Mar 31 15:17:03 swisstomcat: nobody was supposed to see those... :) Mar 31 15:17:33 not something to translate then i assume Mar 31 15:17:43 no, I was saying that he was trying to build an object inside a function without using "this" or any other prototype stuff. Mar 31 15:17:44 I was testing popupSubmenu with a submenu in the submenu Mar 31 15:17:51 i see Mar 31 15:17:55 not necessary. Mar 31 15:17:58 bbiab Mar 31 15:18:16 ah, ok. I didn't see the code. Mar 31 15:22:33 chuqui! I have a 0-star review because app didn't install... Mar 31 15:23:05 horrors! Mar 31 15:23:11 I'll round up the usual suspects. Mar 31 15:23:34 dooooom. Mar 31 15:23:48 they need to make it so they can't review an app until it's bloody well installed. Mar 31 15:23:51 no. no! I'll round up DOUBLE the usual syspects. Mar 31 15:24:11 (with any luck, I'll be spending the day working on the app reviews for cleanup..) Mar 31 15:25:21 ;_; Mar 31 15:26:44 chuqui: hey i finally have a non-complaint for you - 2 day app review turnaround on my last 2 app updates was a pleasant surprise when i woke up today :) Mar 31 15:27:17 cool! Mar 31 15:27:29 I'm - not sure how to react. I'm sure we'll find some way to bugger it up again... Mar 31 15:27:55 hah Mar 31 15:29:02 chuqui: i'm still rather confused about what i have to do to make a paid app available internationally though Mar 31 15:29:12 What's the timeline on notifying developers when their app is released to the catalog? Mar 31 15:30:24 the international stuff is in process of rolling out.; I think th submission stuff is live, and you can go in and update the distribution locations and localized metadata now. Mar 31 15:30:45 The catalog part is in process... Mar 31 15:31:03 kuralou nothing really changing ni the short term on that. Mar 31 15:32:50 chuqui: when I submitted the app update, I checked off all the other countries and whatnot, but when I look at the app I don't see anywhere to enter price, etc Mar 31 15:33:01 when did you submit? Mar 31 15:33:06 Sunday night Mar 31 15:33:15 go back in now, that stuff went live overnight. Mar 31 15:36:56 can I do a metadata update to get my app in intl markets (that accept english)? Mar 31 15:36:57 hmm Mar 31 15:37:03 or do I have to actually update something <.< Mar 31 15:37:09 yes Mar 31 15:37:15 ......... Mar 31 15:37:22 oh, ok. berb! Mar 31 15:41:43 i define a varialbe outside a function.. so it is globally, right? and then i can manipulate this global variable in a method and set another value and return this global variable, right? Mar 31 15:41:49 like normal javascript.. Mar 31 15:43:29 woot woot! applied for the english-speaking countries. Mar 31 15:43:59 Kuraiou: sorry.. bad english.. sometimes. :) Mar 31 15:44:15 Where are you from, noaXess? Mar 31 15:44:23 switzerland.. like swisstomcat :) Mar 31 15:44:31 ah, cool! Mar 31 15:44:39 Kuraiou: don't you understand my problem, description? Mar 31 15:45:05 just a question about global variables and manipulate them in a method and return the new value.. Mar 31 15:45:08 yes. Mar 31 15:45:11 you can do something like: Mar 31 15:45:49 var a = 'yay'; Mar 31 15:45:49 function doStuff(blah) { Mar 31 15:45:49 a = blah; Mar 31 15:45:49 } Mar 31 15:46:05 and if you call doStuff("hohohoho") then a becomes "hohohoho" Mar 31 15:46:17 and every time you use a after calling doStuff, you get/use "hohohoho" Mar 31 15:46:17 okay.. i see.. see here my code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407125/ Mar 31 15:46:27 line 39... Mar 31 15:47:01 Kuraiou: what exactly is the sense of it? does it make any difference if you use a='foo' or doStuff('foo') ? Mar 31 15:47:30 I was just using that as a demonstration. Mar 31 15:47:33 obviously it's pointless. Mar 31 15:47:36 k^^ Mar 31 15:47:41 I grew up with C++ and OOP, I hate globals ;) Mar 31 15:48:56 noaXess: are you still using new DepotManager()? Mar 31 15:48:58 Mojo.Log.info("gotUserData:", gotUserData); gives always 99 instead of 1 as in this.getData_success set. Mar 31 15:49:28 I would use this.gotUserData = 99 instead of var gotUserData Mar 31 15:49:31 Kuraiou: öhm.. yes.. in stage-assistant.js: var db = new DepotManager(); Mar 31 15:49:38 and then use this.gotUserData whenever you're setting it, too Mar 31 15:49:48 Kuraiou: ok.. Mar 31 15:49:49 wait.. Mar 31 15:50:43 wait what? Mar 31 15:50:44 same.. 99.. Mar 31 15:50:47 tested it. Mar 31 15:50:47 oh. Mar 31 15:51:02 and you changed it in getData_success too, right? Mar 31 15:51:16 yes Mar 31 15:51:36 just set and manipulate it now with this.gotUserData.. Mar 31 15:51:42 hrm... Mar 31 15:52:20 and you're sure you're getting into getData_success properly? Mar 31 15:52:25 look at the Mojo.Log... in palm-log the Mojo.Log.info("gotUserData:", this.gotUserData); comes in front of Mojo.Log.info("user data loaded");??? Mar 31 15:52:45 oh right Mar 31 15:52:48 yes, cause in palm-log i see Mojo.Log.info("user data loaded"); Mar 31 15:53:07 is Depot.get() an asynchronous function? Mar 31 15:53:15 that is, does it stop processing until it returns? Mar 31 15:53:16 will calling this: this.userdata_Depot.get(1, this.getData_success, this.getData_success); not first run into this.getData_success, do all and then come back?? Mar 31 15:53:18 or does it just keep going through? Mar 31 15:53:43 http://weboshelp.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/digging-into-the-depot/ Mar 31 15:53:43 yes Mar 31 15:53:45 they're asynchronous Mar 31 15:53:57 so you can't expect results except for in the callback Mar 31 15:54:13 so when you make that call then it just keeps going, it doesn't wait Mar 31 15:54:24 aha.. okay.. so getDate goes on, while this.getData_success is doing anything.. Mar 31 15:54:30 hm..... Mar 31 15:57:11 Kuraiou: you see what i want to do.. if it got's data, i fill some variables.. and then return 1... but.. how can i change that, that i get 1.. Mar 31 15:57:48 or need i work with other then depot? Mar 31 15:58:04 either you can use a setTimeout() that waits for the value to be set and keeps checking until it is set, or you don't rely on return values. Mar 31 15:58:22 that's why there's a getSuccess AND a getFailure function in Depot.get in the first place. Mar 31 15:58:35 rehi Mar 31 15:58:37 okay.. i see.. Mar 31 15:58:53 unfortunately, this is more a design issue Mar 31 15:59:07 Kuraiou: so.. thanks... Mar 31 15:59:09 on that line, is there online documentation for the setTimeout()? Mar 31 15:59:19 it's a javascript built-in, BB. Mar 31 15:59:29 setTimeout() is a js function.. normal js.. Mar 31 15:59:36 so.. dinner time.. bbs Mar 31 15:59:37 hello all Mar 31 15:59:45 setTimeout(f, ms) where f is either a function object or a string to be evaluated, and ms is the time in milliseconds. Mar 31 15:59:51 it just sets a timer, right? Mar 31 15:59:53 it returns an integer ID which can be passed to clearTimeout()./ Mar 31 16:00:04 ahhh Mar 31 16:00:06 ping chuqui Mar 31 16:00:11 clearTimeout is what im looking for Mar 31 16:00:15 i think Mar 31 16:00:19 pong Mar 31 16:00:24 clearTimeout(tid); where tid is the timer ID. Mar 31 16:00:27 that's all there is to it. Mar 31 16:00:47 so to stop an ajax get and associated spinner...... Mar 31 16:00:55 chuqui: i have this strange problem where i can't submit an app with one account, but with another. i get a white page on submit, and something with paypal in the url Mar 31 16:00:57 cool Mar 31 16:01:36 did you post that in the forum? Mar 31 16:01:45 i saw that you already answered my post in the forum Mar 31 16:01:59 yeah. give it another hour, if still broken, email me details and screen shots. Mar 31 16:02:05 allright Mar 31 16:02:10 thanks Mar 31 16:03:05 pacific time is 9:03am, right? Mar 31 16:03:30 yes Mar 31 16:04:53 is the engineering building already on fire, chuq? :) Mar 31 16:06:01 they're plugging away. Mar 31 16:06:04 hmm, o2 reports that a "mini palm os update is forthcoming tonight to enable paid apps" Mar 31 16:09:06 yup Mar 31 16:11:03 1.4.0.1 :) Mar 31 16:11:43 hmm Mar 31 16:11:44 1.4.0.0.0.0.1 Mar 31 16:12:16 those evil customers that do use a custom kernel... Mar 31 16:12:23 * swisstomcat hides Mar 31 16:12:26 what should those do? ;-) Mar 31 16:13:21 run for their LIVES Mar 31 16:13:32 or hide Mar 31 16:14:54 or just uninstall it first and then update :p Mar 31 16:16:48 chuqui: Hey, any suggestions on how to submit applications for internation distribution? Mar 31 16:16:54 *international Mar 31 16:17:28 "very carefully"? Mar 31 16:17:39 having problems too, roy-pre101? Mar 31 16:17:40 submission portal's up and running and waiting. Mar 31 16:18:03 Question: Why can't we choose Mexico English without also Mexico Spanish? Mar 31 16:18:14 Why does the app need a different name for Spanish? Mar 31 16:18:19 (or other languages) Mar 31 16:18:33 because we're idiots? I dunno. but that's how they built it. the UI needs some -- fine tuning. Mar 31 16:20:23 Hmm, the old idiot defense! Mar 31 16:21:52 Is this a case of muddle through as best as you can or wait for changes to the portal? Mar 31 16:22:54 apparently wait at least until 10am PST Mar 31 16:28:59 hmm, I think I see a mistake I made the first time Mar 31 16:29:26 chuqui: also, i updated a beta private version this morning, and it says should be live in 24h. beta uploads always previously told me 2h Mar 31 16:31:07 Kuraiou: so the timeout method on ajax can be used as such? http://pastie.org/897295 Mar 31 16:31:26 muddle through as best you can. Put your english localization in the spanish area also (yeah, I know...) Mar 31 16:31:41 (im at work so cant really test it) Mar 31 16:31:52 no, you pass in the function object, not the call, so it would be ajaxObjectname.abort, not ajaxObjectname.abort() Mar 31 16:31:57 kmudrick not sure why the change, whether that's just bceause we're mid-rollout or whether that's new. But today, I'm not suprised if things are running a little slow Mar 31 16:31:58 but otherwise yes, that would call that function in 6 seconds Mar 31 16:32:19 i c Mar 31 16:32:58 cool, thx! Mar 31 16:35:38 no problem^^ Mar 31 16:36:34 I see what I did, I put the wrong app name in for the international name. :P Mar 31 16:37:42 OK, there, that's better. Mar 31 16:57:44 HELLLOOO Mar 31 17:02:02 Hey anyone notice that you cant select english for mexico without the spanish version? Mar 31 17:02:12 in the submission process? Mar 31 17:03:25 what about spangish? Mar 31 17:03:32 lol Mar 31 17:10:49 lol Mar 31 17:10:50 oy Mar 31 17:11:11 * sugardave waits until everyone else updates. Mar 31 17:12:23 have slacked off upgrading my app, so it will be a a day or two for app to be ready for UK and Ireland Mar 31 17:14:24 Anyone have any issues with submitting a price for canada Mar 31 17:14:28 I keep getting an error Mar 31 17:14:50 saying the price must be between .99 and 999.99 and I am setting 2.1 Mar 31 17:15:02 oh yeah forgot about the canadians Mar 31 17:15:20 2.10? Maybe it wants .xx instead of .x Mar 31 17:15:58 tried both Mar 31 17:16:11 tried 2.11? Mar 31 17:16:25 would be strange, but who knows^^ Mar 31 17:16:26 worth a shot Mar 31 17:16:40 is chuqui watching Mar 31 17:16:51 birds Mar 31 17:16:51 I like to watch.... Mar 31 17:17:06 bow chikka wow wow Mar 31 17:17:17 oy Mar 31 17:17:20 :) Mar 31 17:17:26 * halfhalo_T400 crawls back to his cave Mar 31 17:18:14 Chuqui do you know of any bugs with the submission process? Mar 31 17:18:20 hahahaha Mar 31 17:18:27 I get a js error when you select generate prices Mar 31 17:19:01 I am willing to bet my big toe that thre are bugs in the system. Mar 31 17:19:15 which browser are you working with? Mar 31 17:19:16 yea their are Mar 31 17:19:19 I havea feeling some "genius" forgot to design this to work with IE8 Mar 31 17:19:24 IE8 Mar 31 17:19:26 LOL Mar 31 17:19:28 Ewww Mar 31 17:19:33 who uses IE8? Mar 31 17:19:35 don't use IE. it's always having problems. Mar 31 17:19:37 Oh, wait, I am Mar 31 17:19:40 Alot of people use IE8 Mar 31 17:19:44 IE9 FTW ? Mar 31 17:19:50 Iron Mar 31 17:19:54 works great Mar 31 17:19:56 Yeah, IE9 is better Mar 31 17:19:57 sugardave: wsup my man Mar 31 17:20:02 I have IE9 but its not built further than its diagnostic console yet Mar 31 17:20:16 plonk Mar 31 17:20:21 atlanta: hey, buddy, not a lot here....how's you? Mar 31 17:20:21 try firefox. If it works, please send me email so I can file bugs against us breaking with IE (again). If it doesn't, send me email so I can report the (generic) bug. Mar 31 17:20:34 As long as its not ie6 I'm happy Mar 31 17:20:40 sugardave: im good just relaxing at work checking up on the community Mar 31 17:20:43 hi all Mar 31 17:20:46 I hated supporting ei6 Mar 31 17:20:48 same Mar 31 17:20:51 ie6 Mar 31 17:20:52 halfhalo_T400: my job runs ie6 -_- Mar 31 17:20:59 uggh your gonna make me go and download ff now arent you... I saw that coming ;) Mar 31 17:21:05 firefox or opera, if you've some strange google fetish maybe chrome, I hope there are no apple fan boys in here, so no safari....but, wtf, ie?! Mar 31 17:21:06 Mine used to! Mar 31 17:21:08 any1 knows why the emulator needs this old version of vbox ?? Mar 31 17:21:10 atlanta: didn't they hear? IE6 is dead Mar 31 17:21:15 But now CSUN no longer supports it! Mar 31 17:21:17 best buy needs system upgrades ASAP Mar 31 17:21:19 hehehehehe Mar 31 17:21:24 SimpsonCH: it just does Mar 31 17:21:32 oppss did i say taht Mar 31 17:22:02 I don't like bestbuy for one reason Mar 31 17:22:07 * atlanta can't wait for chuqui to reply to his email :-) Mar 31 17:22:18 WHO SELLS A 8200GT FOR 99 DOLLARS?!?!?!?!?!?! Mar 31 17:22:19 halfhalo_T400: only one huh Mar 31 17:22:22 lol Mar 31 17:22:43 generally, I'm in and out in under 5 minutes Mar 31 17:23:15 the sales people at my local one don't know jack about computers, and nowadays I only go for console games Mar 31 17:23:29 I can newegg everything else with same day delivery Mar 31 17:23:38 hot DAMN this chipotle mustard is firey Mar 31 17:23:52 I want chipotle..... Mar 31 17:24:04 but I'm stuck with whatever is in the fridge today Mar 31 17:24:11 Wait...... or am I? Mar 31 17:24:19 never saw "Ready for Review" as status... how long takes a metadata update? Mar 31 17:24:31 sugardave: YESSIR Mar 31 17:24:33 i love it Mar 31 17:25:37 our lunch counter guy rolls his own chipotle mustard...I think he's trying to kil us Mar 31 17:27:06 simpsonCH: are you swiss? :) Mar 31 17:27:32 swisstomcat, no, but I am in swiss ;) Mar 31 17:27:55 * swisstomcat is swiss :) Mar 31 17:28:00 where? Mar 31 17:28:11 Nendaz Mar 31 17:28:15 ( Valais ) Mar 31 17:28:24 got a pre i assume Mar 31 17:28:30 no :( Mar 31 17:28:34 oh Mar 31 17:28:36 why not? Mar 31 17:28:39 I'm dutch, can't get it there Mar 31 17:28:51 which seriously anoys the shit out of me Mar 31 17:29:33 ah....no wonder the Hollanders in my class last week looked at me like I was an alien when I was talking about Palm Mar 31 17:29:36 simpsonCH: digitec.ch Mar 31 17:29:57 SimpsonCH: then next time when you head back to netherlands, stop in germany? Mar 31 17:30:22 you guys every used a qwerty keyboard :P Mar 31 17:30:26 http://digitec.ch/ProdukteDetails2.aspx?Reiter=Bilder&Artikel=176585 Mar 31 17:31:16 The following is meant to be a joke Mar 31 17:31:34 THIS IS AMERICA! YOU SHOULD ALL BE SPEKIN EANGLISH! Mar 31 17:31:37 end joke Mar 31 17:31:47 :) Mar 31 17:32:17 English: the language of worldwide business, until it changes to Mandarin ;) Mar 31 17:32:30 apparently IE9 doesnt like the palm site either. Mar 31 17:32:37 This is fun Mar 31 17:32:42 ok I guess then FF it is Mar 31 17:34:00 only you can prevent forest fires caused by routers overheating Mar 31 17:38:03 * atlanta buying a microcontroller board Mar 31 17:38:10 to tinker around with Mar 31 17:38:27 android running on the PRE classic Mar 31 17:38:31 oh the things to come Mar 31 17:38:33 I have a basicstamp for that Mar 31 17:40:18 first international paid app arrived: Dungeon Hunter Mar 31 17:40:39 FF is so much slower than IE 8 is on my computer... ugh Mar 31 17:43:33 However, apparently the team used some IE8 noncompliant code to get the price page to work Mar 31 17:43:47 Chuqui - its working in firefox if you want to submit a bug Mar 31 17:43:51 CTLAdvance: Iron is fast Mar 31 17:44:07 yeah but I dont like burnt clothes Mar 31 17:44:24 * CTLAdvance walks away from that one Mar 31 17:44:26 send me an email with what you did? Mar 31 17:44:30 and I'll get it filed. Mar 31 17:49:16 anyone know if canadian english is more like US or UK? Mar 31 17:49:26 or mixed? Mar 31 17:49:47 more like french ;) Mar 31 17:49:54 or its own like "colors eh?" "customization eh?" Mar 31 17:50:07 colours eh i think Mar 31 17:50:32 For my British English I just put a disclaimer on the flash page for them to get over themselves. Mar 31 17:50:36 Canadians use the superfluous u in their -or words Mar 31 17:50:42 *splash. Mar 31 17:50:59 OK, not really. Mar 31 17:51:16 "Speak English, you Limey moron!" Mar 31 17:52:15 lol Mar 31 17:52:55 thanks, leon Mar 31 17:54:45 canadian english is more like US english IMO Mar 31 17:55:20 How so? Mar 31 17:55:41 because we are awesome in the us? Mar 31 17:55:53 only half of us Mar 31 17:56:06 most British don't recognise US slang which is used in Canada Mar 31 17:56:10 the other half can't drive, so they don't count Mar 31 17:56:13 Chuqui - is their any reason why we cant say Mexic-english? Mar 31 17:56:16 Mexico Mar 31 17:56:46 most of you don't have passports, you can't be _that_ awesome Mar 31 17:56:50 chuqui: any plans to make the app submitting easier? Mar 31 17:56:56 I do! Mar 31 17:56:59 I have a passport Mar 31 17:57:01 I just used it, too Mar 31 17:57:08 and a pastport Mar 31 17:57:10 like an all countries + english button? Mar 31 17:57:14 metaview god, I hope so . Mar 31 17:57:25 actually, there's a lot of discussion going on about that in DevRel today. Mar 31 17:57:34 would be cool Mar 31 17:57:56 passport here Mar 31 17:58:02 for now it's a nice thing for the multi-simple-app-spammer, they have a hell of work to do Mar 31 17:58:02 ctladvance: submit as spanish, but put the english in there. Use spanish tags (see the FAQ for a PDF on the tag translations) Mar 31 17:58:10 I spend 1,5 hours for my 3 apps... Mar 31 17:58:31 juegos Mar 31 17:58:49 damas y cerveza Mar 31 17:58:55 I only know a little spanish Mar 31 17:59:13 which is: La fiesta es en mi pantalones, y tu no invite. Mar 31 17:59:22 So, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but ... I'm trying to add a consistent footer to my application, and I'm having some trouble. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Mar 31 17:59:24 4 years of spanish class have served me well... Mar 31 18:00:17 halfhalo: good enough for a mexican brothel Mar 31 18:00:32 yeah.... Mar 31 18:00:39 Mexico was fun last time I went Mar 31 18:01:26 I'm trying to convince my friend to come with me to dev days Mar 31 18:01:32 Thank you sir! Mar 31 18:01:37 never mind the fact that he doesn't have a pre yet Mar 31 18:04:45 this.userdata_Depot.get() this runs asynchron. .. how can i check if this.userdata_Depot.get(1, succes, failure); has ended? Mar 31 18:17:18 noaXess: you have to rely on the firing of your success and/or failure handlers to let you know it has completed Mar 31 18:18:41 rehi Mar 31 18:19:13 erg, not all my expenses have bubbled up to the tool yet *grumble* Mar 31 18:21:08 argh, twitter is going nuts .. 25 new tweets in the last hour Mar 31 18:23:39 sugardave: got it :)... Mar 31 18:23:42 so next.. Mar 31 18:24:11 where is the best place to choose the corresponding language file? can i handel Mojo.Locale.getCurrentLocale() in sources.json? Mar 31 18:24:21 ? Mar 31 18:24:27 why that? Mar 31 18:25:11 i want have my app in different languages.. so i create language files: de_de.js, en_us.js.. now, where do i choose them.. so my texts in the app are in the correct language, locale? Mar 31 18:25:41 it doesn't work that way, noaXess Mar 31 18:25:50 create a folder resources in the root of your app Mar 31 18:26:05 and in that one a folder for every language e.g de fr es Mar 31 18:26:18 in that folder you put a file strings.json with the translated strings Mar 31 18:26:37 and in a subfolder views the translated html (if you have) Mar 31 18:26:41 aha.. so the language fodler is de or de_de? Mar 31 18:27:04 de is enough unless you have different files for e.g en_uk and en_ie Mar 31 18:27:37 okay.. so.. do that :) thanks.. Mar 31 18:28:08 all the strings that need to be translated .. use $L('text in english') for that ... if you have "text in english" : "text in deutsch" in your strings.json then you're set Mar 31 18:29:17 ?? explain.. how to define eg. a text for, maybe.. update in englisch and aktualisieren in deutsch? Mar 31 18:29:51 so first define the string for en in resources/en/strings.json.. right? Mar 31 18:30:30 yes Mar 31 18:30:48 like this: "update" : "aktualisieren" Mar 31 18:30:57 swisstomcat: and how is the definition.. ?? Mar 31 18:30:59 and then in your js code use $L('update') Mar 31 18:31:13 aha update is the string name and aktualisieren the value.. so.. ok.. Mar 31 18:31:18 not really js right? Mar 31 18:31:18 yes Mar 31 18:31:23 json Mar 31 18:31:34 the translation file is json Mar 31 18:31:40 aha.. ok.. so then.. i can GAME now. :).. all done today.. or go on later.. Mar 31 18:32:51 definition of language string with ; at the end i think, right? Mar 31 18:34:20 no Mar 31 18:34:26 in the file or in code? Mar 31 18:34:52 strings.json Mar 31 18:35:25 [20100331-20:35:21.160068] error: EXCEPTION [JSON.parse], (SyntaxError): "Unexpected token :" Mar 31 18:35:26 [20100331-20:35:21.161501] error: Uncaught SyntaxError: Badly formed JSON string: '"stage-menu-item_help" : "Ueber ZimbraMail..."', InstallPrototypeBuiltIn:599 Mar 31 18:35:34 strings.json is json so it starts with { "update" : "aktualisieren", "b": "c" } Mar 31 18:35:42 ups :) hihi.. Mar 31 18:38:29 heellooooo Mar 31 18:38:46 has palm converted to android yet? Mar 31 18:38:48 heheh Mar 31 18:38:57 that was a hell of a rumor the other week Mar 31 18:38:58 oh, shut up ;) Mar 31 18:39:17 i'd like to see webos on the nexus one Mar 31 18:39:24 or similar hardware Mar 31 18:41:00 haha Mar 31 18:41:13 yeah that would be cool Mar 31 18:41:20 I'd buy a nexus if it were palmos Mar 31 18:41:21 they got android workingo n the pre Mar 31 18:41:29 what? Mar 31 18:41:37 who's 'they' ? Mar 31 18:42:03 the gurus over at xda Mar 31 18:42:15 i think Mar 31 18:42:16 ? Mar 31 18:42:34 or my answer was a question Mar 31 18:42:35 ? Mar 31 18:42:36 lol Mar 31 18:42:51 android based in java right? Mar 31 18:43:54 hehe, everyone googling xda right now? Mar 31 18:44:01 nope Mar 31 18:44:04 binging Mar 31 18:44:16 BigBiff: yeah android java based Mar 31 18:44:17 heh Mar 31 18:45:22 so have any of you converted your apps for different phones? and how tough is that? Mar 31 18:45:52 you dont really convert it Mar 31 18:46:00 its more like rewrite it Mar 31 18:46:03 right Mar 31 18:46:20 LMFAoo Mar 31 18:46:30 plus u dont write webos apps in java Mar 31 18:46:41 bigbiff: depends how they are written .. sdl apps are probably pretty easy to port Mar 31 18:47:40 atlanta: thx - i was aware Mar 31 18:47:50 oh anytime Mar 31 18:47:51 :-) Mar 31 18:47:52 ;" Mar 31 18:47:56 hah Mar 31 19:08:01 wtf.. this was working earlier: var pt = document.createElement('programTable'); var r = pt.insertRow(0); -- now I get Error: Object # has no method 'insertRow'. Any ideas? Mar 31 19:09:26 is programTable an HTMLElement? Mar 31 19:09:34 i think it started after i accidently made a css entry named #pt Mar 31 19:10:07 it's not just 'table'? Mar 31 19:10:33 oh crap Mar 31 19:10:47 what am i thinking :( Mar 31 19:10:53 thanks sugardave Mar 31 19:11:25 np Mar 31 19:14:03 hey atlanta Mar 31 19:14:11 Bmyers: MYYYY man Mar 31 19:14:11 wsup Mar 31 19:14:27 wus go'n on! Mar 31 19:14:51 nothing much man business business business Mar 31 19:14:56 had to come on and entertain you people Mar 31 19:14:57 you know me Mar 31 19:15:01 We need an HD2 running webOS.... or similar device issued by palm Mar 31 19:15:10 sorry just blurting that out Mar 31 19:15:11 atlanta: you seen my guyrules app? Mar 31 19:15:19 negative Mar 31 19:15:29 preware, palm beta feeds Mar 31 19:15:30 i will go see now Mar 31 19:15:34 okie dokie Mar 31 19:15:47 figured you'd get a laugh out of it Mar 31 19:15:58 if you are an English major, DO NOT INSTALL IT Mar 31 19:15:58 i bet i will hold on checking now Mar 31 19:16:21 lmfaoo nothing close to that Mar 31 19:17:17 some of the ppl who dl'd seemingly are and wrote bad reviews because of grammER and mispelling.. Mar 31 19:17:19 :) Mar 31 19:17:44 but alot of the stuff comes in off the BBI (big bad internet) Mar 31 19:18:16 nice to see you around tho.. Mar 31 19:18:28 Bmeyers: it's grammar. Mar 31 19:18:30 * Kuraiou glares. Mar 31 19:18:38 you're kidding....bad reviews because of other people's grammar/typos? Mar 31 19:18:40 * Kuraiou gives Bmyers a bad review. Not his app, the man himself. Mar 31 19:18:41 Kuraiou: it MYERS Mar 31 19:18:48 if you are that much into spelling.. Mar 31 19:18:48 LMFAOOO Mar 31 19:19:05 Yeah, I misread it. :/ allow me to shoot myself in my foot. Mar 31 19:19:12 leave my dude alone before i GO IN Mar 31 19:19:25 and i spelled it wrong on purpose.. Mar 31 19:19:30 * sugardave starts designing the "shock idiot reviewers remotely" webOS app. Mar 31 19:19:45 but... you know, I hate to play devil's advocate in a case like this where I'm clearly going to be the bad guy, but it's really unprofessional to release an app with misspellings and noticeable grammatical errors. Mar 31 19:19:47 sugardave: yup. I need to put a disclaimer on there Mar 31 19:19:58 It doesn't reflect well on you. While I wouldn't rate an app down because of it, it's definitely something that irks me when I catch it. Mar 31 19:20:14 Of course, I see "professional" sites, ads, television, all with terrible typos. Mar 31 19:20:23 there are 100's of guyrules. i just dont edit every last one Mar 31 19:20:50 Bmyers: app upgrade: crowd-sourced editing ;) Mar 31 19:20:51 it just failed installation Mar 31 19:20:53 #noBUENO Mar 31 19:21:12 "You don't like it? Fix it!" Mar 31 19:21:22 atlanta: please dont give me a bad review cause it didnt dl.. Mar 31 19:21:26 LMFAOO Mar 31 19:21:33 ohh i have 10's of those Mar 31 19:21:37 sugardave: great idea Mar 31 19:21:39 it pisses me off Mar 31 19:21:44 more ad potential Mar 31 19:22:11 perfect Mar 31 19:24:41 have an app rated 1 with 1 rating Mar 31 19:24:42 atlanta: no can dl? I'll email it to you if you like Mar 31 19:26:01 interesting emulator runs perfect on newer vbox... Mar 31 19:26:27 never too late to fix your emu eh? Mar 31 19:26:29 which version of emulator? Mar 31 19:26:39 and vbox? Mar 31 19:26:39 Bmyers: i think its my service Mar 31 19:26:41 in the building Mar 31 19:26:42 brb Mar 31 19:26:52 ok Mar 31 19:27:22 1.4sdk + 3.1.6 Mar 31 19:27:32 * sugardave isn't sure he likes the new forum structure. Mar 31 19:28:53 the full version of the guyrules app will allow folks to add their own guyrules Mar 31 19:28:59 other ppl will vote on them Mar 31 19:29:13 SimpsonCH: windows 7? Mar 31 19:29:28 and Kuraiou: other ppl can correct the grammar Mar 31 19:30:10 LoneStar99, nope ubuntu 9.10 Mar 31 19:30:18 simpsonCH: there was a thread on the developer forum that the emulator was update to work with newer vbox version Mar 31 19:30:24 updated Mar 31 19:30:51 oh yeah? Mar 31 19:30:52 just palm-emulator bitches about it Mar 31 19:30:54 nice Mar 31 19:31:09 all ajax with php/mysql backend Mar 31 19:31:24 on the device there is no db. Mar 31 19:31:35 starting it from vbox works, and I can interact with it from eclipse Mar 31 19:31:45 sugardave: just ajax back to the server Mar 31 19:32:04 Bmyers: that was to swisstomcat re: new vbox Mar 31 19:32:10 I know how yours works :P Mar 31 19:32:18 man anyone know how to work the ajax responders? Mar 31 19:32:19 sugardave: of course you do.. Mar 31 19:32:33 because the pre does a horrible job at handling request Mar 31 19:32:53 atlanta: I used it once as a tester to count sessions Mar 31 19:32:56 ajax timeouts are what I struggle with. Mar 31 19:32:58 and a german user posted instructions how to change the scripts that start the emulator Mar 31 19:33:20 sugardave: gotcha was it efficient ? Mar 31 19:33:27 i have no graceful way of ending an ajax call that times out Mar 31 19:33:28 at checking to see if a response came back yet Mar 31 19:33:28 ? Mar 31 19:33:55 yes and no....it gets touched before the request gets it success/fail callback Mar 31 19:34:01 sugardave: i haven't forgotten about twipper either Mar 31 19:34:11 but, it fires onComplete regardless of the response Mar 31 19:34:14 just been busy with my other pro-bono projects Mar 31 19:34:25 Bmyers: yeah, I've not done any more on it :D Mar 31 19:34:39 but i appreciate your contributions to it. Mar 31 19:35:41 * sugardave is ready to master Drupal/Views/SQL aggregation. "I need pretty charts instead of ram numbers." Mar 31 19:35:47 raw Mar 31 19:36:10 sugardave: there was i joomla module that worked nicely for my setup Mar 31 19:36:20 I'm hoping to show you guys something cool in a couple of weeks Mar 31 19:36:46 sugardave: what is it? Mar 31 19:37:03 Bmyers: there's a view type in Drupal that does charts...it's just getting Views to aggreggate properly so that I have good numbers instead of 1000 single entries of "1" Mar 31 19:37:30 that would be nice huh? Mar 31 19:38:09 LoneStar99: it's the evolution of the tracking code I tested in a couple apps, expanded to allow a dev to create an application entry, drop some .js in their app, and get some statistics from their app page Mar 31 19:38:38 unique endpoints, installs/upgrades/launches, etc. Mar 31 19:38:43 wow nice Mar 31 19:38:52 still working on what kind of data I can show, and getting the charting done Mar 31 19:38:59 the application/endpoint registration is working Mar 31 19:39:03 so I've got that going for me Mar 31 19:39:15 killer! Mar 31 19:39:26 it's pretty slick so far, yeah :D Mar 31 19:39:49 it also lets you know when Palm gets around to review a new version of your app Mar 31 19:40:04 or at least for me it does Mar 31 19:40:05 not quite THAT awesome ;) Mar 31 19:40:26 you dont record appver? Mar 31 19:40:27 yeah, messaging functionality will be the next service feature Mar 31 19:40:31 sure I do Mar 31 19:40:34 well Mar 31 19:41:01 you know when you see the new appver before it's release in the app cat, thats palm reviewing it Mar 31 19:41:12 oh, yeah....I see your point Mar 31 19:41:33 so it really is that awesome.. Mar 31 19:42:17 okay, time to head home....chat y'all in a bit Mar 31 19:42:20 i have it send me GPS too so if I get a bad review I can go to the persons house and ask why Mar 31 19:42:28 :) Mar 31 19:42:37 just kidding on that last one.. Mar 31 19:43:09 l8r sugardave!!!!!! Mar 31 19:44:15 The next SDK update adds support for VirtualBox 3.1, btw... Mar 31 19:47:05 lies Mar 31 19:48:10 Bmyers: awesome Mar 31 19:48:18 what lemketron doesn't tell you, is that 3.2 will come out right before that Mar 31 19:48:54 wawawaaaaaa Mar 31 19:49:01 GPS tracking for users posting negative feedback Mar 31 19:49:14 hey lemketron Mar 31 19:49:25 any word on that 1.4.1 update being released? Mar 31 19:50:34 it that in intermediate update or the same as the one that was apparently pushed to early access devs? Mar 31 19:51:52 can anyone think of a way to do this with div's (apologies for the awful site, it's the only one i could find to illustrate my example): http://www.angelfire.com/super/badwebs/ Mar 31 19:52:29 I don't know when VB is planning 3.2, but they have told us they don't promise command-line compatibility across even (major) dot releases so it's entirely possible 3.2 will break us again. Mar 31 19:52:49 or is there a way to make divs scroll simultaneously? Mar 31 19:53:45 ajp: that page hurts my eyes :) Mar 31 19:54:05 swisstomcat: haha i know. it's awful! Mar 31 19:54:43 ajp: what exactly are you trying to accomplish from that page >.> Mar 31 19:55:48 ajp: i'd look up a multi-column css layout as an example Mar 31 19:55:52 hi Mar 31 19:55:55 hey Mar 31 19:56:49 o2 germany is tweeting "das Rollout von WebOS 1.4.1 beginnt " .. "the rolllout of WebOS 1.4.1 is starting" Mar 31 19:57:29 what i want to do is difficult to explain.. i want a div on the left, let's call it divleft, a div at the top, divtop, and a div in the remaining space, divmain. I want to be able to scroll divleft and divmain vertically whilst divtop remains fixed, and i want to scroll divtop and divmain horizontally while divleft remains fixed. Confused? Mar 31 19:57:54 swisstomcat: huh? where? Mar 31 19:58:13 hucksy: http://twitter.com/o2myhandy Mar 31 19:58:24 imagine an EPG with channels on the left, time at the top, and programs in the main area Mar 31 19:58:41 ajp: makes sense, but not possible from your standard scrolling UI point of view Mar 31 19:59:12 you could probably fake it with keyboard shortcuts + javascript Mar 31 19:59:21 swisstomcat: thanks Mar 31 19:59:51 VincentLaw: hmm, that's what i thought. perhaps I will have to make the top div scroll vertically. kinda sucks for an EPG though Mar 31 20:00:02 on webos you might be able to roll your own scrolling method instead of using the usual webos mojo method Mar 31 20:00:22 actualyl Mar 31 20:00:24 *actually Mar 31 20:00:25 hmm Mar 31 20:00:32 I suppose you could do some JS Mar 31 20:00:45 that would make the divs "move" to stay in place while the rest of the content scrolled Mar 31 20:01:04 that's an interesting idea Mar 31 20:01:08 so if the X changes, move the div's position X to keep it in place. if Y changes, move the other div's position to keep it in place Mar 31 20:01:13 change the css position to emulate the bad website example Mar 31 20:01:21 hmm... is 'mousedown' event supposed to be generated with webos ? Mar 31 20:01:49 it does Mar 31 20:01:52 mousedown? yeah I think so Mar 31 20:01:58 mouseover shouldn't, for obvious reasons Mar 31 20:02:00 weird, seems like it's not generated.. Mar 31 20:02:02 yes, indeed Mar 31 20:02:09 mousedown, move and up Mar 31 20:02:36 yeah try moving your finger a bit after pressing down Mar 31 20:03:39 you need to listen for a tap Mar 31 20:03:58 or drag Mar 31 20:04:02 using the event listener Mar 31 20:05:00 if you handle a drag right you can use the called event to move your div or content which you can position using top style element Mar 31 20:05:17 hmm.. I'm using jQuery Mar 31 20:05:26 but it's maybe a plugin problem Mar 31 20:05:28 i'll check that Mar 31 20:05:29 bah Mar 31 20:05:31 yeah Mar 31 20:05:42 I've had no issues with jquery itself on the pre Mar 31 20:07:29 hmm.. is there something special needed to target an element on a scene ? Mar 31 20:07:48 jQuery(document) seems to be ok, but jQuery('.foo') doesn't seem to work Mar 31 20:08:04 (I do have a
on my scene) Mar 31 20:13:05 ping roy-pre101 Mar 31 20:13:42 swisstomcat: yo Mar 31 20:14:33 everyone going ape about the 1.4.1 update Mar 31 20:15:02 I haven't seen it show up yet. Mar 31 20:15:09 I guess I better write an article for webosroundup.com Mar 31 20:19:18 i can give you some developer forum threads where it's confirmed (more or less direct) Mar 31 20:20:05 roy-pre101: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=4729 (bottom) Mar 31 20:20:18 how do how use the inspector (under windows) ? Mar 31 20:21:05 swisstomcat: Thanks! Mar 31 20:23:03 roy-pre101: also http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/239178-downloading-141-a-3.html#post2346404 Mar 31 20:28:15 hey developer peeps Mar 31 20:28:36 just letting y'all know i'm selling my dev. laptop Mar 31 20:28:39 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300412675795&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 Mar 31 20:28:48 I had to give up my linux laptop and get a macbook Mar 31 20:28:50 :( Mar 31 20:29:47 what's wrong with a macbook? Mar 31 20:30:01 linux on macbook Mar 31 20:30:33 swisstomcat: I just strongly prefer linux Mar 31 20:30:44 but, I can't do iphone dev in linux Mar 31 20:30:51 yeah Mar 31 20:30:55 blame apple for that :) Mar 31 20:30:55 bbl, chipotle run Mar 31 20:31:12 heh Mar 31 20:31:20 only android and palm have open dev environments Mar 31 20:31:21 i'm heading to get a burrito from Wahoo's Mar 31 20:31:23 mmm Mar 31 20:31:25 ms and apple : closed Mar 31 20:31:36 yeah. very lame Mar 31 20:33:47 wahoo! fish tacos! Mar 31 20:41:20 roy-pre101: my app submission bug is fixed Mar 31 20:41:43 woot! Mar 31 20:42:02 Sadly, my apps still say 'Read for Review' Mar 31 20:42:26 chuqui: Free ramen on me at developer days if you can get my apps reviewed today. :) Mar 31 20:42:41 roy-pre101: i didn't have a tax number .. that was the problem .. putting in N/A fixed it Mar 31 20:42:54 do app updates still need to be reviewed for other market? Mar 31 20:42:57 good ot know Mar 31 20:42:58 markets Mar 31 20:44:26 roy, I'm a miracle worker, but I'm not sure I'm capable of that.. I'll see. Mar 31 20:45:56 Yeah I think the review teams are inundated as of now Mar 31 20:48:07 chuqu: putting tax information in fixed my problems .. thanks Mar 31 20:48:20 chuqui: putting tax information in fixed my problems .. thanks Mar 31 20:48:29 great! thanks! Mar 31 20:48:33 wierd bug :) Mar 31 20:48:37 weird even Mar 31 20:49:51 two app updates on one day :) Mar 31 20:50:07 if i have dynamically created a table with document.createElement, is it possible to observe tap's on cells in that table? Mar 31 20:50:37 ajp: probably Mar 31 20:50:50 ok Mar 31 20:51:41 ajp: maybe with observe? Mar 31 20:52:05 ajp: yes, ypu can Mar 31 20:52:08 you Mar 31 20:52:13 sorry, back on the new kb Mar 31 20:52:58 once the cells are there, you can even use Mojo.Event.listen or do it via Prototype Mar 31 20:54:07 oh, cool Mar 31 20:54:34 i saw an example using node.observe("click",handler) Mar 31 20:54:42 that should work, too Mar 31 20:54:45 swisstomcat: uh, oh... What is the german name of the category for "games"? Mar 31 20:54:52 spiele? Mar 31 20:55:00 (I don't know observe) Mar 31 20:55:06 had the same problem with french and spanish categories :) Mar 31 20:55:13 haha Mar 31 20:55:25 i was hoping to have an event listener for all tap-events on the table, then in the event handler i would be able to grab the index of the cell? or do i need a handler for each cell? Mar 31 20:55:44 ajp: see the earlier example of listening to the document Mar 31 20:55:59 then you'll get the element you clicked on Mar 31 20:56:01 hmmm, that you'll need to test to see what comes in the event object from a tap on just the table Mar 31 20:56:18 oh yeah, event.currentTarget, perhaps Mar 31 20:56:37 maybe i'm going about this the wrong way. i'm certainly making things difficult for myself Mar 31 20:57:03 ajp: actually, it is probably better to do it with as few listeners as possible Mar 31 20:57:15 so the one on a table way is probably good Mar 31 20:57:37 there are maybe over 100 cells.. is this too many for one scene anyway? Mar 31 20:58:00 not sure of a limit....but that seems excessive Mar 31 20:58:08 anyone ever used jQuery with Mojo ? Mar 31 20:58:10 i was thinking instead of a large scrollable table, although it would be cool, maybe I should have buttons to flip between pages Mar 31 20:58:20 I have one with ~70 listeners in a scene, but only 10 are active at a time Mar 31 20:58:58 warpdesign: no jquery here Mar 31 20:59:07 Soo is it okay to release my english app to spain/france/germany? Mar 31 20:59:12 (without translating it) Mar 31 21:00:06 i think so tibfib Mar 31 21:00:15 but you could also translate it .. i can help with german Mar 31 21:01:05 Yeah, I just have to set up the whole localization thing...which I haven't done yet Mar 31 21:01:25 * Tibfib likes it when he says the same thing twice in a sentence Mar 31 21:02:13 heh Mar 31 21:08:01 arg :( Mar 31 21:11:08 warpdesign: I'm sure SOMEbody has used jquery....can't you just include it in the sources.json and go? Mar 31 21:15:44 of course, that's what i did Mar 31 21:16:05 the problem is I should use it inside my controller and not outside it seems Mar 31 21:16:07 that's weird Mar 31 21:16:33 what do you mean? Mar 31 21:17:40 I have a scene, with some divs Mar 31 21:17:48 the div elements appear on the screen Mar 31 21:17:52 I have included jQuery Mar 31 21:18:00 and I cannot target these elements Mar 31 21:18:25 and jQuery('body').html() returns only the elements added by jQuery, no the elements present (statically) onto the scene Mar 31 21:20:29 unless I call jQuery from withgin my StageAssistant.prototype.setup function Mar 31 21:21:20 it doesn't work in the other assistant prototype functions? Mar 31 21:22:24 I tried using it in js files included in my main html file Mar 31 21:22:26 chuqui: how long can I expect will a review take when only the meta data are updated? Mar 31 21:22:49 but here i can't target elements presents on the scene Mar 31 21:22:56 metaview right now, it's hard to say. with the intl launch, there's a lot of updating going on. Mar 31 21:22:59 i can successfully add new elements though Mar 31 21:23:13 chuqui: my apps are all still in ready for review Mar 31 21:23:30 it's more than 12 hours ago I made the update Mar 31 21:23:32 metaview so "typical" timeframes don't apply right now. oompa-loompas are on overtime and being force-fed starbuck double-espressos. Mar 31 21:23:55 I throw a coin for another coffee :) Mar 31 21:24:11 i'll buy the red-bull Mar 31 21:24:27 there's no red bull left in northern california. the engineers got that already. Mar 31 21:24:32 heh Mar 31 21:24:42 something horrible, I think Jever-pils is the best for a long working day Mar 31 21:24:46 i can fly some over from europe Mar 31 21:24:59 can I buy an oompa-loompa? Mar 31 21:25:02 mine all died Mar 31 21:25:19 can't have ours. they're busy looking for hidden pron in the app updates. Mar 31 21:25:43 oh, wasn't it supposed to add for the international update? Mar 31 21:25:51 warpdesign: ah, I think you're going to have to use it inside the assistants, shouldn't be too bad to migrate Mar 31 21:26:00 stupid garden gnomes and their anti oompa-loompa crap Mar 31 21:26:02 * MetaView goes and removes the stuff Mar 31 21:26:29 chuqui: good luck Mar 31 21:26:31 i'm off Mar 31 21:26:36 g'night Mar 31 21:26:39 thanks. take care Mar 31 21:26:40 byby Mar 31 21:26:44 cya Mar 31 21:26:49 I have chipotle.... which is delicious Mar 31 21:26:56 gameloft's apps all updated today... I wonder how much it costs them to develop a game. Mar 31 21:27:06 like 20 bucks Mar 31 21:27:06 I miss chipotle ;_; Mar 31 21:27:10 are they good or bad? Mar 31 21:27:16 I don't know. never downloaded one. Mar 31 21:27:20 ok Mar 31 21:27:22 their decent Mar 31 21:27:26 I have a few Mar 31 21:27:29 Ever since I started counting calories, I haven't been able to have Chipotle. Mar 31 21:27:32 decent is quite good, or? Mar 31 21:27:34 I know Asphalt gets a lot of good rep. Mar 31 21:27:50 Some are awesome Mar 31 21:27:51 I have a few 3d games Mar 31 21:28:16 asphalt 5, sims 3, xplane 9, earthworm jim, sandstorm, ganstar Mar 31 21:28:16 like dungeon hunter, real tennis, brain challenger Mar 31 21:28:26 I think theres one more but I can't recall Mar 31 21:28:28 sugardave: ok, i'll try that Mar 31 21:28:41 waiting for some money to get sandstorm :) Mar 31 21:28:51 haven't actually launched it yet Mar 31 21:29:04 heh Mar 31 21:29:12 but that reminds me... I wonder if we can get the pre to use part of the storage as swap? Mar 31 21:30:07 I would think that would alleviate a big bunch of the too many card errors, if its not already set up now Mar 31 21:32:11 I would actually go ask in internals but I'm lazy and only am in webos on my laptop right now Mar 31 21:32:41 halfhalo: it does use Mar 31 21:32:41 NFSU is quite nice Mar 31 21:32:56 Swap: 131064 956 130108 Mar 31 21:33:07 then we need moar Mar 31 21:37:01 * dthought is downloading 1.4.1 Mar 31 21:37:44 * Tibfib is frantically opening up the updates app like everyone else in this channel Mar 31 21:37:47 oh? where? Mar 31 21:38:19 * Tibfib is disappointed like everyone else in this channel Mar 31 21:38:24 germany Mar 31 21:38:33 320 new apps Mar 31 21:38:39 14MB download Mar 31 21:38:41 ups, no, 320 apps at all Mar 31 21:38:45 and SLOW Mar 31 21:39:23 will Palm still know that I used to have the free version of NFSU? Mar 31 21:39:53 hmm.. guess I got it, seems like body content is refreshed each time a new scene is pushed (more precisely, each time MyAssistant.prototype.setup is executed..) Mar 31 21:40:08 MetaView: I'm in Spains with Movistar O2 Mar 31 21:40:17 has anyone seen or heard from JenP today? Mar 31 21:42:18 how would I watch keyboard input in webos? Mar 31 21:42:45 so, i create my table with createElement, add some rows and cells, and use an .addEventListener on the table. When I get the event, i use this.controller.get(event.target) but never get anything in target.id -- shouldn't i be getting the tapped cells ID? Mar 31 21:42:50 for what purpose? in a field? or when there is no field on the screen? Mar 31 21:43:53 this.controller.listen(this.controller.sceneElement, Mojo.Event.keydown, this.handleText); Mar 31 21:44:14 Tibfib: for me? Mar 31 21:44:20 yep Mar 31 21:44:26 That will listen to all keydowns Mar 31 21:44:44 Tibfib: keypress is when pressed and lifted up again right? Mar 31 21:44:45 yep so it will Mar 31 21:44:47 (this.handleText = this.handleText.bindAsEventListener(this) Mar 31 21:44:54 thomaschaaf: yep Mar 31 21:45:09 ajp: you should check to see what's in the event object, there might at least be currentTarget, as well as target...but you need to be sure what's coming in Mar 31 21:46:46 ajp: someDiv.innerHTML = Object.toJSON(event); should be enlightening Mar 31 21:47:03 sugardave: currentTarget.id is my table's id, not the cell :/ Mar 31 21:47:32 bummer...look for something else....there's a LOT of stuff in event Mar 31 21:48:20 ajp: unfortunately, I did think this might be the case....a table isn't a widget, so the tap can't really tell you what index element it is, I think Mar 31 21:48:45 33% of 14MB Mar 31 21:49:38 the event always knows what div it originated in, so if each TD has a unique ID you can get the id from the event of what td was tapped. Mar 31 21:49:51 or if the td contains a div, that div's unique ID will be in the event as well. Mar 31 21:50:06 ah, right, IDs Mar 31 21:50:10 ah Mar 31 21:50:18 i think that may be how the calendar does it Mar 31 21:51:26 thanks Rick_work Mar 31 21:51:34 any tap target needs a unique ID Mar 31 21:52:46 so event.target should contain that div id? Mar 31 21:53:18 if event.target doesn't work try event.originalEvent.target Mar 31 21:53:20 yep Mar 31 21:54:19 excellent, it works! Mar 31 21:54:51 thanks for your help. for future reference, where am i likely to find docs that could have shown me this? Mar 31 21:55:13 hahaha Mar 31 21:55:27 and furthermore hahahaha Mar 31 21:55:49 why do you think we spend so much time hanging out here? Mar 31 21:56:00 because there is no docs? :( Mar 31 21:56:01 I've been gone a couple weeks...is ajp new here? :P Mar 31 21:56:02 We ask each other questions, and pay the answers forward. Mar 31 21:56:18 the docs suck dead bunnies Mar 31 21:56:28 what will be the weather like tomorrow? Mar 31 21:56:57 there will be periods of light and darkness. Mar 31 21:56:59 I predict thunderstorms in some regions, and dryness in others... Mar 31 21:57:07 Rick_work: oh, really? Mar 31 21:57:09 i've read the offerings at palm.com... i thought there must be somewhere else people were going for their information! looks like I found it! Mar 31 21:57:40 ajp: you will never get any worthful info here... Mar 31 21:57:53 MetaView: i just did Mar 31 21:58:00 oh, lucky you Mar 31 21:58:08 i know! Mar 31 21:58:28 it's tiem for me, gute nacht Mar 31 21:58:34 did someone say they were dling 1.4.1? Mar 31 21:58:53 141 has been released in some places. (Holland) Mar 31 21:58:57 MetaView: you've NEVER been helped by info in this channel? Mar 31 21:59:03 i'm gonna go charge my pre and see if 1.4.1 is available for UK. night all. thanks for your help Mar 31 22:00:50 does anyone know WHERE the update is stored on the pre? Mar 31 22:01:12 /var/lib/update ? Mar 31 22:07:22 "update wird installiert" ... Mar 31 22:07:55 What's new in 1.4.1? Has a changelog been posted? Mar 31 22:08:12 jlund: not the official one... It's basically a bug fix update Mar 31 22:08:36 jlund: official issue: international paid apps Mar 31 22:08:58 i wanted to extract the update directory from the phone, but fucked up... Mar 31 22:09:14 hope i'll be able to still do it Mar 31 22:11:25 why the button isn't disabled? http://pastebin.com/UdPXBnfn ... I can tap on it Mar 31 22:14:02 xota: no attributes? Mar 31 22:14:09 why did palm fuck it up? I don't have a creditcard.. Mar 31 22:14:18 no one I know has a creditcard in germany Mar 31 22:14:42 what _do_ you have? Mar 31 22:15:00 Tibfib: maestro is the system in use here Mar 31 22:15:12 hmm... no clue. That's too bad Mar 31 22:15:15 "EC-Card" Mar 31 22:15:15 they got a problem Mar 31 22:15:18 thomaschaaf: Paying with wishes and hopes is probably coming in 1.4.2 Mar 31 22:15:19 * dthought got a visa card, too Mar 31 22:15:58 Tibfib: I need it always? Mar 31 22:16:06 if is it empty too? Mar 31 22:16:35 you can put undefined there Mar 31 22:16:54 jlund: paypal like they are paying me would be a good deal.. Mar 31 22:17:16 om Tibfib it was this... If I write the attributes empty it works :) thanks Mar 31 22:17:41 thomaschaaf: i'm not sure whether paypal is evil or not... but it would be an option thats accessible for everyone Mar 31 22:18:04 dthought: I won't be able to buy apps.. Mar 31 22:18:12 and i am not one of a few.. Mar 31 22:18:27 thomaschaaf: yes. its stupid. Mar 31 22:18:37 in germany we have a system called lastschrift where you basically give a company access to your atm account Mar 31 22:18:46 ich weiß ,-) Mar 31 22:18:51 ah okay :D Mar 31 22:19:35 damnit Mar 31 22:19:55 anyone know if the pre's .app-storage dir gets erased when a user wipes their phone? Mar 31 22:20:10 like from factory reset or something? Mar 31 22:20:24 try it in the emulator ;) Mar 31 22:20:57 haeffb haeffb_pre ping (above) Mar 31 22:21:01 except that the data reset options don't work in the current emulator... Mar 31 22:21:03 http://webos.pastebin.com/zKLRPM6M Mar 31 22:21:28 i have a user that had to "hard reset" their phone Mar 31 22:21:37 (I just checked in a fix for it though!) Mar 31 22:21:38 and wants to know if the data is around somewhere still Mar 31 22:26:19 Rick_work: hows the book coming along? Mar 31 22:27:15 hey lemketron.. and all others.. :) Mar 31 22:37:23 this.controller.listen(this.controller.get('numblock'), Mojo.Event.keypress, this.handlekeyPress); my function never seems to get called :( Mar 31 22:37:35 I just always want to lsiten for the key press Mar 31 22:39:11 thomaschaaf: you have to bind your handler Mar 31 22:39:22 I do that one line above that Mar 31 22:39:32 Bmyers The book is on hold for about a month due to circumstances beyond my control which I am not at liberty to discuss. Is that clear enough? Mar 31 22:39:49 I just think that I am not in numblock.. Mar 31 22:39:54 yeah Mar 31 22:40:02 use the code I gave you to listen to everything Mar 31 22:40:18 that didn't work with the scenething Mar 31 22:40:40 hmm works for me Mar 31 22:40:51 bbl Mar 31 22:40:58 hmm what should I expect for event? Mar 31 22:41:16 I wanted to do a Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(event)); Mar 31 22:41:34 can I use a variable in my HTML code? I have
and in the assistant I user $("var").innerHTML = "value", but is it any way? Mar 31 22:42:08 xota: what do you mean? Mar 31 22:42:32 xota: you can use variables in HTML of a template (like for building a list, or an html view) Mar 31 22:42:38 thomaschaaf: try something simple to see if the event is happening (like adding text to a div) Mar 31 22:43:15 Tibfib: how do I know which button got pressed Mar 31 22:43:29 it just timed out because event was to big :D Mar 31 22:43:41 event.key? Mar 31 22:44:11 sugardave: can you me a sample? I don't find it on the net Mar 31 22:44:21 maybe event.target or event.currentTarget....apparently I"m confused about them Mar 31 22:44:44 xota: I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to do Mar 31 22:46:11 Bmyers: if your app was supported by Save/Restore, that user would be able to get their data back. Mar 31 22:46:20 sugarday, Tibfib this... in my view I have:
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 Mar 31 22:46:33 I can't use two id's equal Mar 31 22:46:49 I can set $("VAR").innerHTML = "my value" Mar 31 22:47:21 but I can't set it in two ids... I can repeat the process $("VAR1").inner... & $("VAR2").inner... Mar 31 22:47:22 right, you cannot have duplicate IDs.... Mar 31 22:47:46 if you have duplicate IDs in your HTML, you have to fix that first Mar 31 22:48:21 sugardave: I don't have them... I tell you my case :) I dont' like to have VAR2 Mar 31 22:48:41 but I can't have with duplicate ID Mar 31 22:49:39 Rick_work: crystal clear.. Mar 31 22:49:56 Mojo.Log.info((event.keyCode)); this does not work for some reason :( Mar 31 22:50:14 rwhitby: why would my not be supported? Mar 31 22:50:55 okay, you've really confused me now...so you want to do this? :
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 Mar 31 22:51:01 ? Mar 31 22:51:13 u own a cat sugardave? Mar 31 22:51:29 looks like one just took a stroll on your keyboard Mar 31 22:51:30 yes, 4 now....we picked up a new straggler a couple of weeks ago Mar 31 22:51:35 hahah sugardave sorry... I can't explain me easily in english Mar 31 22:51:36 haha Mar 31 22:52:04 I like: >
Mar 31 22:52:24 var1 == var2... cause of this I don't like to duplicate effortst writting in assistant Mar 31 22:52:38 xota: I guess it's the fact that your href=
is completely foreign to me Mar 31 22:52:57 $("var1").innerHTML = "somethings"; $("var2").innerHTML = "thesamethings" Mar 31 22:54:35 xota: even if you tried something like $[var_var].innerHTML = 'one value';, you'd still have to loop to change var_var Mar 31 22:54:52 I don't know if array notation will work with $, have not tried it Mar 31 22:55:45 Tibfib: do you know how I can use the event object to find out what button was pressed Mar 31 22:58:11 ok sugardave thank :) at then end I'm usign $("var").innerHTML = $("var2").innerHTML = "value"; Mar 31 22:58:55 xota: that works :D Mar 31 23:00:17 what about umlaute äöü in json strings? strings.json? Mar 31 23:00:29 html formated? Mar 31 23:01:01 thomaschaaf: yep Mar 31 23:01:09 event.originalEvent.keyCode Mar 31 23:01:36 will return a number... that number corresponds with a key. Use the APIs app to figure out which key is what Mar 31 23:04:02 ok in scenes i can use eg. ü for ü.. but what about int app menu's?.. if i use ü then the menu entry looks same.. über (über).. Mar 31 23:08:12 hi all Mar 31 23:08:29 TQOS!!! Mar 31 23:08:36 lol Mar 31 23:10:19 hi JenP Mar 31 23:10:27 hi rod Mar 31 23:10:33 So, JenP, what Save/Restore app do you need supported? Mar 31 23:11:03 noaXess: menu entries are generated in javascript, aren't they? Mar 31 23:11:04 how can i use äöü in app menu's? Mar 31 23:11:05 hmmm to be honest idk....splash Id you got...um my task would be great Mar 31 23:12:06 dthought: okay.... there is a js function to work with äöü.. hm.. Mar 31 23:12:21 noaXess: i simply would put em down literally Mar 31 23:12:31 or use \u unicode escapes Mar 31 23:12:37 in javascript strings Mar 31 23:12:46 example? Mar 31 23:13:12 moment... Mar 31 23:14:18 rod once i figure out how to save data in my app i'd like to have it supported Mar 31 23:14:37 dthought: with unescape()? Mar 31 23:14:38 oh! myles and timeismoney apps Mar 31 23:14:54 Bmyers: pong Mar 31 23:15:02 haeffb!!! Mar 31 23:15:03 is your database ext: Mar 31 23:15:05 yo Mar 31 23:15:10 JenP!!! Mar 31 23:15:14 LOL Mar 31 23:15:20 LOLer Mar 31 23:15:26 oh, i remember what i wanted to ask u Mar 31 23:15:29 can you work the cookie object thing with me? Mar 31 23:15:53 have u had any users need to "hard reset" their pre? Mar 31 23:15:53 I CAN work the cookie object thing with you Mar 31 23:16:02 yeah!!! Mar 31 23:16:03 depends on the hard reset. Mar 31 23:16:06 noaXess: no... simply put an "Ãœber" literally in the javascript Mar 31 23:16:27 i dont think it was a 5th story out the window type reset Mar 31 23:16:27 if that doe not work... (it should, utf-8 isn't that new IMO) Mar 31 23:16:33 If they didn't clear the media folder, ext:myDB should still be there. Mar 31 23:16:43 is that an option? Mar 31 23:16:57 Device Info/Reset Options Mar 31 23:17:19 Erase Apps & Data || Erase USB Drive || Full Erase Mar 31 23:17:29 eww.. Mar 31 23:17:37 some big scary red buttons Mar 31 23:17:53 never done it Mar 31 23:17:56 but if they didn't erase USB drive, then ext: databases are still there. Mar 31 23:18:12 for his sake i hope he didnt reset the media drive Mar 31 23:18:19 dthought: i define that label in strings.json fpr de: "labelStageMenuItemAbout" : "Ãœber ZimbraMail...", in the app it shows not an Ãœ.. Mar 31 23:18:46 thx haeffb Mar 31 23:19:01 noaXess: "\u00DCber ZimbraMail" ? Mar 31 23:19:28 Bmyers: if the ext: database is still there, we can add support into Save/Restore and they can use that to restore it Mar 31 23:19:30 \u00DC .... \u => unicode character, 00DC = unicode codepoint for Ãœ Mar 31 23:19:42 dthought: okay.. thanks.. is there a list about this? aha.. Mar 31 23:19:54 do i need to do something for that rwhitby? Mar 31 23:20:09 rwhitby: or, they can just copy the database to a PC, reinstall the software, then overwrite the new DB with the old one. Mar 31 23:20:25 noaXess: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut#UTF-8 ... the same table should be in english wiki, too Mar 31 23:20:30 yeah how do you deal with the random sql db name? Mar 31 23:20:41 haeffb: yep, save/restore would allow them to do that without needing to go to the linux command line Mar 31 23:20:46 yeah. See what the new db name is. rename the old db to the new name. Mar 31 23:20:54 rwhitby: its on the USB drive! Mar 31 23:21:10 yes in .app-storage Mar 31 23:21:21 like everyone elses Mar 31 23:21:29 but .app dirs are not shown when you mount the USB drive, are they? Mar 31 23:21:42 un hide hidden folders and Mar 31 23:21:46 they're hidden, but Win Explorer can see them if you choose. Mar 31 23:21:47 BOOM Mar 31 23:22:07 hmm - I thought Palm was hiding them at the mount level. Mar 31 23:22:17 I've talked a couple of people thru that process... Mar 31 23:22:23 fair enough, that'll work fine for ext: databases. Mar 31 23:22:42 maybe Palm's not real good at hiding things...I had a 2-year old niece like that. Mar 31 23:22:54 Bmyers: to get it supported in Save/Restore, assuming the ext: database is all you use, then you just need to tell me the appid Mar 31 23:23:21 rwhitby: not that Save/Restore wouldn't be awesome. com.tigers.app.myles and com.tigers.beta.myles Mar 31 23:23:35 but you do cookies, too? Mar 31 23:23:42 com.wpsee.hours Mar 31 23:23:47 haeffb: as of 0.6.0, ues. Mar 31 23:23:49 yes Mar 31 23:24:08 what else do you need to support cookies? Mar 31 23:24:14 haeffb: I just need to know for each app what combination of databases, cookies, or other files are used. Mar 31 23:24:38 Myles uses cookies and ext:db Mar 31 23:24:42 ext: db Mar 31 23:24:52 :d Mar 31 23:25:05 is it going to be an option to restore cookie and or db? Mar 31 23:25:07 It will also help if I have an ipkg to test with, but someone else with linux command line access can test too Mar 31 23:25:21 Bmyers: not at the moment, it's all or nothing Mar 31 23:25:37 might be a good option to think about Mar 31 23:25:57 if things get scrambled and you're doing save/restore.... Mar 31 23:26:08 rwhitby: email? Mar 31 23:26:32 how can i close an app after a specific method has successfully ended? Mar 31 23:26:46 Some lady named Judy wants my tax info. Think it's legit? Mar 31 23:26:58 haeffb: see /msg Mar 31 23:27:19 no Mar 31 23:27:32 my handler was named Judy Mar 31 23:28:49 haeffb: what are the app names? Mar 31 23:29:01 so is/was mine. Mar 31 23:29:30 Myles. probably don't need to worry about the beta version. Mar 31 23:31:10 rwhitby: I'd be happy to test it just to see how it works Mar 31 23:31:24 rwhitby: is this release yet or you're still building it? Mar 31 23:32:12 is it possible to close the whole app with a command? Mar 31 23:32:33 noaXess: yes Mar 31 23:32:40 haeffb: db name is "MilesDB" ? Mar 31 23:32:49 very well may be. Mar 31 23:32:51 Bmyers: and what to call?.. Mar 31 23:33:41 window.close might do the trick. is it a multistage app? Mar 31 23:34:04 rwhitby: yes, I had to check to confirm. That is a Roger, Roger. Mar 31 23:34:05 Bmyers: no.. single.. okay.. simple.. Mar 31 23:34:41 haeffb: get ready to copy a file into /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore/ Mar 31 23:35:34 Bmyers: run window.close in the assistant?.... Mar 31 23:35:34 Bmyers: Save/Restore is released in Preware. Install it now, and email me your ipkg for testing. Mar 31 23:36:34 er. what? Mar 31 23:36:48 found... multi stage means more then one scene, right? Mar 31 23:37:35 no, that's multi scene Mar 31 23:41:29 are you serious it costs money to publish an app? Mar 31 23:41:56 I am publishing a FREE!! app.. I don't really feel like paying 5020acs Mar 31 23:43:24 sooo... fun fact. My cordless phone causes my internet to drop Mar 31 23:44:05 thomaschaaf: make it open source and it costs nothing. Mar 31 23:45:06 hey hi.. Mar 31 23:45:08 haeffb: sure how do I do that? Mar 31 23:45:31 no wounder palm doesn't have many apps Mar 31 23:45:35 this pisses me off.. Mar 31 23:45:40 wanted to develop more apps Mar 31 23:45:43 can any please tell me what is the minimum size in pixels i should have for a square button to make it clikable Mar 31 23:45:46 now I'm not going to Mar 31 23:45:53 or in accordance with the UI guidelines Mar 31 23:46:25 Bmyers: what storage does hours use? just ext: DB ? any cookies for prefs? Mar 31 23:46:25 if you want to do a free app can't you just do it through the web distribution Mar 31 23:46:38 rwhitby: there are cookies too Mar 31 23:46:43 thomaschaaf: when you set up your dev account, you choose Open Source Mar 31 23:46:57 sorry. i was on a support call to the guy that lost his data Mar 31 23:47:00 Bmyers: and the app friendly name? Mar 31 23:47:08 please reply soon Mar 31 23:47:09 Time is Money Mar 31 23:47:26 rwhitby: but yes on the ext:db Mar 31 23:47:48 rohit1: that info is on Palm's site somewhere. user interface guidelines or some such Mar 31 23:48:19 palms backup/restore only keeps tracks of the apps you've dl'd, not the db's it seems Mar 31 23:48:31 Bmyers: see /msg for email address to send the ipkg Mar 31 23:52:02 sorry but i'm not able to find those for a button Mar 31 23:55:29 anyone having trouble getting to youtube? Mar 31 23:56:50 haeffb: Pre or Pixi ? Mar 31 23:57:43 this this.controller.window.setTimeout(this.controller.window.close(), 4000); will close it without waiting 4sec... any idea? Mar 31 23:58:05 missing quotes around the command Mar 31 23:58:43 Bmyers: ups.. :) Mar 31 23:58:52 single quote Mar 31 23:59:24 error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'window' of undefined Apr 01 00:01:19 so.. need a break... go on after sleep ;).. Apr 01 00:03:27 good night... Apr 01 00:06:55 noaX Apr 01 00:07:06 noaXess: this.controller.window.close Apr 01 00:07:09 not close() Apr 01 00:10:27 Anyone have a screenshot of the 1.4.1 update screen? Apr 01 00:10:49 Roy-Pre101: oh, could have got that 20 seconds ago Apr 01 00:10:50 is it out?? Apr 01 00:11:01 I just got it on German GSM Pre in Australia Apr 01 00:11:20 pandora--: Yes, in some places. Apr 01 00:11:28 checking now in santa monica... Apr 01 00:11:30 (los angeles) Apr 01 00:11:43 I haven't gotten yet. rwhitby: is it downloading or did it just finish installing? Apr 01 00:11:50 Glad that http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=de.komola.pi 1.1.0 finally is out there :) enjoy for anyone that is a Pi addict Apr 01 00:11:55 suggestions appreciated Apr 01 00:12:11 Roy-Pre101: installingnow Apr 01 00:13:16 bummer Apr 01 00:13:21 I don't have the update yet :( Apr 01 00:13:45 rwhitby: not working. Apr 01 00:15:11 rwhitby: Maybe a post-installation screenshot would work if you can grab one. Apr 01 00:15:25 Roy-Pre101: too late for that too :) Apr 01 00:19:37 Can someone assist me troubleshooting the palm emulator on linux? "palm-emulator &" brings up the resolution selection box, but nothing happens after I make a selection. Is there a restriction to a specific version of Virtual Box? Apr 01 00:20:11 3.0.x only Apr 01 00:20:14 3.1.x no good Apr 01 00:20:27 I use 3.0.12 Apr 01 00:21:28 rwhitby: i have 3.0.8ose Apr 01 00:21:33 Oh, ose won't work. Apr 01 00:21:36 It needs to use usb. Apr 01 00:21:48 it does? Apr 01 00:22:00 lemketron: my head is in the sand, ignore me Apr 01 00:22:11 Ok, so it clearly doesn't use usb. Is OSE acceptable? Apr 01 00:22:25 dunno; never tried it, but you're sayin' it don't work. :-) Apr 01 00:22:42 is there a reason you can't use the regular one that works? ;-) Apr 01 00:24:05 lemketron: I'm not sure what the "Regular one that works is", but I have many virtual boxes already installed. I assume if I can run them side by side that would be ok. Apr 01 00:25:17 Did you mean VirtualBoxes or VirtualBox virtual machines? Apr 01 00:25:35 'cause I don't think you can have more than one version of the app installed at the same time. Apr 01 00:26:03 right... and i don't want to lose my current virtual machines. I will do some research Apr 01 00:28:48 but you should be able to use those same virtual machines with any version of 3.0.x (ose or not), I would imagine (disclaimer: I could be wrong) Apr 01 00:29:24 lemketron: Thank you. Apr 01 00:29:51 Try 3.0.12 (not .14). Apr 01 00:32:50 lemketron: tried out Save/Restore yet? Apr 01 00:33:13 spoiler: it's awesome Apr 01 00:33:36 I have not. Apr 01 00:33:46 sounds cool though. Apr 01 00:33:59 I just added support for H.A.W.K ;) Apr 01 00:34:49 Roy-Pre101: I'm taking my first foray into standalone mojo dev, I may cuss and shout a bit, just a warning Apr 01 00:34:58 zsoc: i've had a problem with that in linux too Apr 01 00:35:03 * kerwood bows to rwhitby in awe of Save/Restore Apr 01 00:35:14 zsoc: you select a resolution, and click "ok" and nothing. right? Apr 01 00:35:16 pandora--: was it involving using unsupported vbox versions? :p Apr 01 00:35:19 pandora--: correct Apr 01 00:35:33 nope, it was to do with x-windows shitty focus support with java :) Apr 01 00:35:45 it wasn't registring my "click" Apr 01 00:35:52 so i hit enter eventually. Apr 01 00:35:53 worked Apr 01 00:35:55 pandora--: hmm... and how did you force such a thing? the enter button? Apr 01 00:35:56 lol Apr 01 00:35:57 YMMV Apr 01 00:35:58 1 sec Apr 01 00:36:14 pandora--: oh my Apr 01 00:36:18 i win? Apr 01 00:36:19 Someone should document that Apr 01 00:36:22 HAHAHAHAH Apr 01 00:36:24 * zsoc hands pandora-- 1 internet Apr 01 00:36:24 awesome Apr 01 00:36:34 There's more where that came from Apr 01 00:36:35 lol Apr 01 00:36:36 * zsoc winks Apr 01 00:36:37 oh man. Apr 01 00:36:46 yeah, go go gadget xwindows Apr 01 00:37:35 ahhhh yeahhh that just made my day Apr 01 00:37:46 glad to help Apr 01 00:38:10 So... the whole... taking longer to boot than my actual Pre... ? I suppose that's known too? Apr 01 00:39:26 zsoc: no, that's just the 486DX you're running it on Apr 01 00:40:39 rwhitby: i'm trying to be known as the guy that lives in a house with no walls and develops on ridiculously old hand-me-down parts Apr 01 00:42:39 I'm not sure if anyone knows this... the ability to immediately emulate app changes is extremely useful. Apr 01 00:44:41 zsoc: no kidding? welcome to webOS :) Apr 01 00:45:01 rwhitby: yeah, i'm new here :( Apr 01 00:46:25 In other news, I now have official Palm Hotspot tethering on my Pre on Vodafone in Australia - of course I'll never use it cause my data plan on the Pre is only 200MB. Apr 01 00:47:11 rwhitby: move to the US. I get 5GB!!!! Apr 01 00:47:38 er. I mean unlimited!!! (where unlimited = 5GB!!!) Apr 01 01:00:04 lol Apr 01 01:00:15 i haven't tested the limits of my "unlimited" sprint data plan Apr 01 01:00:35 man 1.4.1 still hasnt hit me Apr 01 01:00:49 * gkatsev hits pandora-- with 1.4.1 Apr 01 01:00:49 pandora--: try harder Apr 01 01:01:15 ah i have it now Apr 01 01:01:16 mwahahahaha Apr 01 01:01:27 pandora--: you're welcome. :D Apr 01 01:01:30 :) Apr 01 01:01:47 ooh and just saw on precentral that paid apps are a go in UK, etc etc Apr 01 01:01:50 gkatsev: clearly it was my cheerleading Apr 01 01:02:01 my app was in one of their screenshots for UK appstore Apr 01 01:02:07 i have no idea if my app works in the UK Apr 01 01:02:14 thx palm! Apr 01 01:02:16 heheh Apr 01 01:02:25 Well, my translated app is still waiting review. My untranslated one got updated for international sales. Apr 01 01:02:54 did you have to do anything, or can the untranslated one show up magically without any action from the developers part? Apr 01 01:02:58 Roy-Pre101: OpenSource Apps? or are you paying the 50 bucks? Apr 01 01:03:14 These are old apps. Apr 01 01:03:15 it was weird seeing my app in there for british pounds in the screenshot Apr 01 01:03:24 I haven't submitted new apps in a while. Apr 01 01:03:27 >sigh< Apr 01 01:03:32 What's with the extra .1 on Sprint? Apr 01 01:03:36 1.4.1.1 Apr 01 01:04:02 AtomicPlayboy: it's probably just to differentiate regions/locations Apr 01 01:04:15 and/or technologies (cdma vs gsm) Apr 01 01:04:29 Hm. Apr 01 01:07:22 man it's taking a /really/ long time to download a 10M update over wifi Apr 01 01:07:46 i wish i could trade my cdma sprint for gsm at&t this summer Apr 01 01:09:45 I'm looking to mimic the functionality in the messaging app (messages vs chats, at the top, changing views accordingly).. is that using standard widgets or is there custom imagry in there? Apr 01 01:13:19 zsoc: hrm, everything there is standard afaik Apr 01 01:13:47 i think the borders you see that separate messages is just an image they used as a div background Apr 01 01:13:58 but the rest is pretty stock I think Apr 01 01:14:27 pandora--: Yeah, I'm ONLY referring to that thing you see at the top, the oval split in half that selects between messaging and IM Apr 01 01:15:06 view menu Apr 01 01:15:10 oh Apr 01 01:15:14 yeah that's standard Apr 01 01:15:45 i hate xpath Apr 01 01:15:47 Anyone have any news for the News Roundup? Apr 01 01:16:00 my phone just rebooted itself. Apr 01 01:16:01 i hate xpath! thats news ya? Apr 01 01:16:06 but that's not really news. Apr 01 01:16:23 i wish our webservices were json so i didn't have to dick with xpath Apr 01 01:17:12 why xpath? Apr 01 01:17:45 xpath is 'supposed' to be an easy way to interface with xml docs Apr 01 01:17:52 HA Apr 01 01:17:54 except that it's voodoo blackmagic Apr 01 01:17:55 I hate it Apr 01 01:18:08 I just use transport.responseXML Apr 01 01:18:12 soooooo much easier Apr 01 01:18:43 orly? Apr 01 01:18:45 ok... Apr 01 01:19:12 And no, I have no idea why Palm says to use xpath instead of responseXML Apr 01 01:19:38 an update is available for my phone. do you think I should download it? Apr 01 01:19:39 yeah i didn't use responseXML because of that Apr 01 01:20:00 halfhalo: so what do you do with responseXML? what kind of object is that? Apr 01 01:20:14 XML object Apr 01 01:20:24 Yeah Apr 01 01:20:45 var folderXML = responseXML.getElementsByTagName('folder'); Apr 01 01:21:02 id = folderXML[i].getAttribute('id'); Apr 01 01:21:25 folders[id].label = folderXML[i].childNodes[0].nodeValue; Apr 01 01:21:58 damn, ok that'll work Apr 01 01:22:02 dumbass xpath Apr 01 01:22:48 yeah Apr 01 01:22:59 I looked at xpath and I was like HELL NO Apr 01 01:23:35 theoretically it should be amazing Apr 01 01:23:47 and sometimes i get lucky with it Apr 01 01:24:16 but, if your xpath query doesn't do what you think it's supposed to do... it's total voodoo on why it doesn't do what you think it should do. Apr 01 01:24:19 bitch to debug. Apr 01 01:28:11 Ok, embarrassing lazy question time. There is one assistant per view, as well as one stage-assistant, correct? Apr 01 01:29:18 could be multiple stage assistants, but generally yes, one assistant per scene and a stage assistant. Apr 01 01:29:27 for typical applications, one stage per app, and one scene assistant per view Apr 01 01:30:35 Got it.. so uh... what's the stage assistant for? Apr 01 01:31:21 thing of it as setting up anything app-global Apr 01 01:31:25 It handles all views for that stage. Apr 01 01:31:28 (good description?) Apr 01 01:31:35 An app can have multiple stages (cards). Apr 01 01:31:48 I see. Apr 01 01:32:01 So one stage (card), multiple views (scenes) Apr 01 01:32:59 as much as it suck to read the docs, this is actually highly recommended: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1603&Itemid=20 Apr 01 01:33:29 haeffb: I was wondering how long that would take. I enjoy reading documentation, I just hate navigating to it :> Apr 01 01:33:56 well, then, you're welcome... :) Apr 01 01:35:10 Why does index.html exist? Doesn't it just get overwritten by main-scene.html when you start the app? Apr 01 01:35:34 it's the bootstrap document Apr 01 01:35:52 so I can leave it default? Apr 01 01:36:39 sure Apr 01 01:36:51 does it still have the "this text verifies...." in it? Apr 01 01:37:02 Yeah Apr 01 01:37:22 you can/should remove that. Apr 01 01:37:30 leave the body blank. Apr 01 01:37:41 my 1.4.1.1 is unpacking... Apr 01 01:38:05 enjoy! (gotta run...) Apr 01 01:38:24 uh. enjoy what?!?!? Apr 01 01:38:48 1.4.1.1 :) Apr 01 01:39:10 woot yeah just finally rebooted with 1.4.1.1 Apr 01 01:42:07 woot, rebooted trying to install the update Apr 01 01:43:09 "Install now" Apr 01 01:44:18 my screen has a bright spot right next to the USB port. Apr 01 01:44:19 "a variety of minor software improvement" Apr 01 01:44:46 haeffb: mine as well, i believe it's a burn in cause by leaving it charging overnight under my pillow in warm temperatures Apr 01 01:45:32 when it says "Do not remove battery" does that mean I should remove the battery? Apr 01 01:45:54 sweeet Apr 01 01:46:01 I just noticed my old app has a bunch of zero-star reviews... Apr 01 01:46:20 Booked at the Santa Clara Marriott from the 22-25 Apr 01 01:46:24 2 people, total of 300 Apr 01 01:47:07 not bad Apr 01 01:47:15 yeah Apr 01 01:47:23 25% or so... Apr 01 01:51:20 95% Apr 01 01:51:21 whats the deal with the update icon arrow in the app cat? Apr 01 01:51:32 should I remove the battery now? Apr 01 01:51:34 is there something i need to do for that or is it automatic? Apr 01 01:51:45 on an app? Apr 01 01:51:48 haeffb: you have to time it just right, wait till 99% Apr 01 01:51:51 you have to tap it to dl Apr 01 01:51:59 i mean for my app Apr 01 01:52:10 means there's an update for your app...? Apr 01 01:52:12 when i update the app, it's there? Apr 01 01:52:26 did you buy your app? Apr 01 01:52:44 no. i dl'd from a warez site to save the $$$$$ Apr 01 01:53:15 nice. I think it means you need to go back to the warez site. Apr 01 01:53:26 there might be new apps there. Apr 01 01:55:03 stuck at 95%. I'm gonna remove the battery. Apr 01 01:55:28 ha ha mine finished b4 urz Apr 01 01:55:28 What's the easiest way to grab a core app from emulator/device? Apr 01 01:55:47 tar Apr 01 01:55:59 and copy it to the usb Apr 01 01:56:36 That's too obvious. Apr 01 01:56:57 drat. it rebooted before I could grab the battery Apr 01 01:57:32 tiny tweezers? Apr 01 01:58:11 oh, wait, you said "easiest." Apr 01 01:59:22 it's teasing me with this glowing "palm" thing. Apr 01 02:01:28 boom there it is! Apr 01 02:01:57 9:01 pm, and I am the official owner of a 1.4.1.1 Pre. Apr 01 02:02:10 my phone seems prettier. Apr 01 02:02:49 does it work as a phone now? Apr 01 02:03:49 hello all Apr 01 02:03:52 haeffb Me too. Apr 01 02:04:12 do I care? Apr 01 02:04:34 Bmyers, not AtomicPlayboy Apr 01 02:05:03 of course I care that AtomicPlayboy has a 1.4.1 Pre... Apr 01 02:05:23 hah... my pre is updating now Apr 01 02:05:28 1.4.1.1 to be exact. Apr 01 02:05:33 chuqui said they were bored. Apr 01 02:06:04 so they added a .1 ? Apr 01 02:06:44 Yes. Apr 01 02:06:52 that sucks for webos internals Apr 01 02:06:53 hah Apr 01 02:07:13 What does? Apr 01 02:07:17 They already fixed it. Apr 01 02:07:20 the extra .1 Apr 01 02:07:26 No it doesn't. Apr 01 02:07:32 Tibfib: already fixed Apr 01 02:07:34 They version-patched the patches. Apr 01 02:07:40 Like, five minutes ago. Apr 01 02:07:42 zsoc: it still is kind of a pain Apr 01 02:07:50 for you guys... but it's great it's fixed Apr 01 02:08:29 zsoc is now one of "us" guys, not one of "those" guys. Apr 01 02:08:54 haeffb: incorrect, I am just using you Apr 01 02:09:15 haeffb: I've just gotten tired of asking other people to do/fix mojo things :> Apr 01 02:09:44 man, I hate when that happens. I thought we were becoming buds. Apr 01 02:10:20 haeffb: if/when i'm in the app catalog, we'll go out for beers Apr 01 02:10:21 & we were gonna hang out on weekends and talk about girls and shit. Apr 01 02:10:53 "Failed: ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during pre-remove script execution" Apr 01 02:11:00 Whoops, wrong channel. Apr 01 02:11:45 I had this whole fantasy life going on in my mind. Now it's all shattered. Even with your false promises of "beers" Apr 01 02:11:54 lol Apr 01 02:12:12 Whoops, wrong channel. Apr 01 02:12:30 * zsoc puts on his cape and wizard hat Apr 01 02:12:36 Whoops, wrong channel. Apr 01 02:13:10 Hurr hurr. Apr 01 02:13:36 * haeffb wishes his app were more popular on PreCentral, so he wouldn't have to do a search to find it... Apr 01 02:16:29 your app is on precentral? Apr 01 02:16:38 all of them are Apr 01 02:16:52 never saw them on there.. Apr 01 02:17:11 ;) Apr 01 02:18:11 http://forums.precentral.net/tiger-country-software/ Apr 01 02:18:29 oh, wait. you were trying to be funny. Apr 01 02:19:58 no, you were taking me seriously.. Apr 01 02:20:30 no. I was trying to be buds with zsoc, and then I don't know what happened. Apr 01 02:20:52 everything came crumbling down. Apr 01 02:21:19 zsoc is a woman.. Apr 01 02:21:45 would anyone know what the floating pt. precision is for the htlm5 audio's currentTime get/set property is? Apr 01 02:21:53 well, that explains it. I never have success with womans Apr 01 02:23:08 Bmyers: i'm kind of surprised you knew that Apr 01 02:23:36 the whole "puts on HIS cape and wizard hat" kinda gave it away... Apr 01 02:24:20 haeffb: gender specific pronouns don't exist in my native language Apr 01 02:24:44 what state r u from zsoc? Apr 01 02:24:53 really? interesting. Apr 01 02:25:13 Hungary Apr 01 02:26:01 hah! Hungary is not a state! Apr 01 02:26:17 ? Apr 01 02:26:19 It is an athiest state Apr 01 02:26:37 they have irc there? Apr 01 02:27:23 Bmyers: of course, linux is popular here Apr 01 02:27:55 I know all 50 states, and Hungary is not one of 'em. (someday I will get over my us-centrist way of looking at the country^H^H^H^H^H^H^H world) Apr 01 02:29:27 Are certain countries still unable to buy paid apps? Apr 01 02:31:14 Roy-Pre101: after today... uh.. I don't believe so. Apr 01 02:31:33 ugh... irssi keeps highlighting hungary for me because i asked it to highlight gary... Apr 01 02:31:49 gkatsev: I apologize Apr 01 02:32:28 cool. looks like my apps still work in 1.4.1.1 Apr 01 02:33:03 * haeffb never knows if Agenda will keep working or not... Apr 01 02:33:12 wirc still wircs. Apr 01 02:37:55 hmph. "Categories" "What's New" "Hottest Apps" Apr 01 02:41:41 Bmyers: Time Tracker Full. $9.90 Apr 01 02:41:50 yeah i know Apr 01 02:41:56 how many dl's? Apr 01 02:42:33 9 Apr 01 02:43:35 i dunno, wifi or gps doesnt seem worth it really Apr 01 02:44:02 1.4.1.1.1 broke my ads for smaato Apr 01 02:44:36 WebOS Eclipse Plugin in WebOS View doesn't seem to support js highlighting/referencing? Or am I missing how to turn it on? Apr 01 02:45:33 * haeffb thinks the orange icons kinda stand out in the catalog... Apr 01 02:45:46 dl aptana studio. Apr 01 02:47:06 http://download.aptana.org/tools/studio/plugin/install/studio Apr 01 02:47:46 add that to help/software updates/available sites/add site Apr 01 02:48:39 more docs: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1639&Itemid=21 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 01 02:59:57 2010