**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 05 02:59:56 2010 Apr 05 03:24:42 happy easter everyone Apr 05 03:32:42 haeffb_pre Apr 05 04:18:45 how is all the webos dev going? Apr 05 04:18:52 hola Apr 05 04:19:54 hola Apr 05 04:29:23 kinda pissed, built an app and was selling at a slow pace but steady, get feedback from some dude which was not bad, but less than a 5, at 4.8 rating in 3 weeks my app has been sold 5 times Apr 05 04:29:34 it used to sell about 10+ a day Apr 05 04:48:12 ok, im back to collapsible dividers woohoo Apr 05 04:48:38 i'm manually setting them up, because the documentation is very limited Apr 05 04:48:52 what is the hide/slide animation method Apr 05 05:53:13 ahoy Apr 05 06:13:05 hello all Apr 05 06:17:51 howdy Apr 05 06:22:43 how is the coding going? Apr 05 06:23:43 craptastic Apr 05 06:23:50 one thing after the next as far as limitations with mojo Apr 05 06:24:55 yeah one change after the other forsure Apr 05 06:25:12 not even that for me now Apr 05 06:25:21 simple shit just isnt straight forward Apr 05 06:25:55 what are u trying to do? Apr 05 06:26:18 fucked around with events last night for entirely too long Apr 05 06:26:28 then I got them going, and now I cant get design for something looking right Apr 05 06:26:36 I wanted to use ares to tweak Apr 05 06:26:51 but ares wont show you the html of the design unless you export and view in your own editor Apr 05 06:28:33 so what type of app are u trying to build? Apr 05 06:28:45 I think palm is actually on the verge of getting their dev shit going and the platform is looking good Apr 05 06:28:57 but I'd say formal releases out and more frequent solid updates would be wise almost Apr 05 06:29:06 fact the sound shit hasnt been fixed yet is a tad disturbing Apr 05 06:29:23 and then my pdk solution will be perfect, but when can we expect pdk being avaliable for distribution Apr 05 06:29:42 LoneStar99: I am building software for client under contract... strict nda Apr 05 06:29:58 gaming in nature Apr 05 06:30:27 oh do not know anything about gaming Apr 05 06:30:49 well the conceptual stuff is easy Apr 05 06:31:00 its reliably play sounds in rapid succession Apr 05 06:31:05 not so easy in html5 audio shit Apr 05 06:32:48 ron_frown: just make a game Apr 05 06:48:45 ron_frown: with an nda not much we can help u with, we can only guess Apr 05 06:50:07 so guessing it is nda code, can not reveal code to help Apr 05 06:54:08 pouring like a mf Apr 05 06:54:28 well when I hav especific questions I will ask =) Apr 05 06:54:39 k Apr 05 06:57:54 if I have questions Apr 05 06:58:04 ron_frown: u know a good song? Apr 05 06:58:18 I'll tell client heres the shitty version, when they approve sdk, better sound mixer will be avaliable Apr 05 06:58:22 good song? Apr 05 07:00:31 tell the client go with the iPhone or go with the best engineered OS for a mobile phone Apr 05 07:00:55 which is the best engineered one? Apr 05 07:01:29 cdm you hang out here too?! Apr 05 07:01:32 in that case Apr 05 07:01:37 iphone was engineered liek SHIT Apr 05 07:01:52 wait cdm you the old qnx pimp? Apr 05 07:02:20 are you calling me old or qnx old? I am not a pimp. Apr 05 07:02:31 WebOS is far superior to the other Mobile OS's Apr 05 07:02:36 LoneStar99: why? Apr 05 07:02:39 were you the guy who worked for qnx? Apr 05 07:02:44 LoneStar99: I dont agree Apr 05 07:02:44 ron_frown: yes Apr 05 07:02:59 its very good for sdk stuff Apr 05 07:03:07 ron_frown: I am also responsible for parts of iPhone OS 1.x and webOS Apr 05 07:03:12 just needs to get whats supposed to work working like it should Apr 05 07:03:16 cdm I knew about apple Apr 05 07:03:19 not webos Apr 05 07:03:27 why? Objective C or Java? or the web Apr 05 07:03:58 I really think android is the best currently Apr 05 07:04:09 I like that you can actually opt out of bits of os and use diff providers Apr 05 07:04:13 yeah, left Apple to build webOS and the team around it. Apr 05 07:04:25 sweet Apr 05 07:04:34 so sorry to badmouth Apr 05 07:04:44 but its pissing me off bits are somewhat incomplete Apr 05 07:04:49 I've got all the respect int he world for it Apr 05 07:04:52 and want to help out Apr 05 07:04:53 i gave away my ipod touch like nothing Apr 05 07:05:04 I wish it was something I could submit patches to and shit =) Apr 05 07:05:34 ipod touch was the worst investement ever Apr 05 07:05:38 of course Apr 05 07:05:46 I dumped my 3gs without a hitch whatsoever Apr 05 07:05:51 so bad i gave it away Apr 05 07:05:52 nexus one soooo much better Apr 05 07:06:10 nexus is ipods brother Apr 05 07:06:39 but I've got a pixi plus Apr 05 07:06:55 so Apr 05 07:06:55 3gs, nexus one Apr 05 07:06:56 etc Apr 05 07:07:42 if u want the best system for a mobile, u need to fucking dance to the iPad Apr 05 07:07:58 you mean the giant ipod touch with less functionality? Apr 05 07:08:05 I hate the apps on Android -- different apps for the same thing for messaging (SMS, GTalk, AIM, etc) and email (GMail, IMAP, etc) Apr 05 07:08:06 sucks Apr 05 07:08:24 yeah but somone could theoretically replace all with one big app Apr 05 07:08:31 easily Apr 05 07:08:39 The iPad is the answer to everything we ever wanted Apr 05 07:08:57 they could, but they aren't Apr 05 07:09:05 that was the most anticlimatic release I've ever seen Apr 05 07:09:10 I think apple deserves to burn for that Apr 05 07:09:26 iPad sucks Apr 05 07:09:43 cdm I know a guy that works for apple and was trying to get info from him about new software for 3gs Apr 05 07:10:01 the iPad hardware is amazing Apr 05 07:10:14 it is all a story, Apr 05 07:10:17 cdm: any tear-downs yet? Apr 05 07:10:19 he told me he doubts they had anything in the works at the time, that things were incredibly un-organized, and that they were like monkeys and cocnuts Apr 05 07:10:29 ipad hardware isnt THAT impressive Apr 05 07:10:38 isnt it just a 1ghz processor and 4x the screen? Apr 05 07:11:01 just? Getting the kind of touch panel performance they have is hard, REALLY hard. Apr 05 07:11:46 and it's impressive how far they have been able to push that low-end GPU. Apr 05 07:12:33 any of u boys know to analyis images? Apr 05 07:14:47 rwhitby: how u this morning? Apr 05 07:15:08 LoneStar99: good, working on replacement kernel building and packaging Apr 05 07:15:50 LoneStar99: how so Apr 05 07:15:57 cdm: I concur Apr 05 07:16:12 but I think some of the touch screen can be sofware dealing with screen Apr 05 07:16:53 dude, it's hard. Apr 05 07:16:56 wow Apr 05 07:17:01 heres an odd problem in webos Apr 05 07:17:08 just building widgets and plopping em on a scene Apr 05 07:17:12 no even wiring etc Apr 05 07:17:24 clicking a button dumps textfield Apr 05 07:17:28 just dissapears Apr 05 07:17:35 no actual code bound to backend Apr 05 07:17:37 rwhitby: not sure what that all means Apr 05 07:19:23 never wrote shite, replace the kernel sounds like somethint someone would make up Apr 05 07:20:54 he does make it up... Apr 05 07:20:56 LoneStar99: the 720/800MHz stuff is a simple replacement kernel using some patches from the omap3440 - I'm packing it for a Preware custom feed (with all the appropriate disclaimers that it will void your warranty). Apr 05 07:21:05 that's why he calls it re-creation Apr 05 07:21:27 grndslm: yeah, just like the http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew hoax I played yesterday ;) Apr 05 07:21:37 that was a hoax, eh? Apr 05 07:21:50 must have been if I make everything up ;) Apr 05 07:22:14 well... sounds awesome at least :) Apr 05 07:22:30 but it works pretty well for a hoax :) Apr 05 07:22:44 haha... april fourth! Apr 05 07:22:48 fifth! Apr 05 07:23:09 rwhitby: do you know if they are cranking up the voltage when they increase the speed? Apr 05 07:23:21 gotta be Apr 05 07:23:39 cdm: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=blob;f=overclocking/opp6-720-opp7-800-min-opp5.patch Apr 05 07:23:54 cdm: plus ondemand governer Apr 05 07:24:28 an extra 0.07v from 720 to 800 Apr 05 07:24:40 (see lines 79-80 on that page) Apr 05 07:25:39 I'm thinking the lifetime will go down to about 20-30K hours at 800, based on 100K to 50K for 600, 44K for 720, ... Apr 05 07:26:26 not sure what is going on Apr 05 07:26:39 which is why I'm not overclocking my Pre yet, since my last phone was a Treo 650 that I used for 6 years Apr 05 07:28:11 and which is why it will never be in the default Preware feeds Apr 05 07:28:38 comando is going for the floating wine Apr 05 07:28:48 rwhitby: no 720 in default feeds either? Apr 05 07:29:04 grndslm: 1 custom feed for all hardware-patches Apr 05 07:29:20 hmm... makes sense, i guess Apr 05 07:30:03 grndslm: 720 lifetime goes from 100K to 44K, and that's for a 720MHz binned spec device, which the 600MHz spec device in the Pre may or may not be depending on TI inventory on the day that Palm's chinese manufacturer got shipped the chips Apr 05 07:31:04 i have a feeling that 720mhz with educated people.... using the temp warning patch, and not keeping it installed during an ota update... these type of people might be able to handle 720 for at least as long as 500 Apr 05 07:31:37 ... or the hardware would be able to handle it at least Apr 05 07:31:43 grndslm: probably depends more on the luck of the draw on the chip binning and inventory rather than how it's used. Apr 05 07:31:49 the ondemand governer isn't the best, but it is workable. Apr 05 07:31:59 the one we use on pixi is better. Apr 05 07:32:11 seems to be pretty good luck with results so far, at least after a Doctor Apr 05 07:32:29 and esp. with 720 Apr 05 07:32:38 cdm: is that in 1.4.0 ? the 1.4.1 kernel patch isn't up on opensource.palm.com yet Apr 05 07:32:43 rwhitby: exactly. There will be some % of devices that will fail spectaularly with these changes. Apr 05 07:32:56 rwhitby: yeah, should be int he 1.2.9 as well. pixi has always used DVFS. Apr 05 07:33:25 cdm: I thought you needed a later kernel for OMAP for good DVFS Apr 05 07:33:28 voltage scaling is the shiz Apr 05 07:33:51 and here i thought the pixi had such good battery life because it left out wifi Apr 05 07:33:56 rwhitby: well, that depends. Our OMAP stuff is different from the open-source stuff. Apr 05 07:34:16 grndslm: actually, turns out our changes to CpuIdle actually do everything you need on OMAP. Apr 05 07:34:37 running at 0V is better then any frequency scaling. Apr 05 07:35:05 * grndslm does not compute "Idle" Apr 05 07:35:25 yeah, 50% of the execution time using X power is better than 100% of the exection time using 80% of X power - better to run fast and stop earlier Apr 05 07:35:29 grndslm: Linux has two power management schemes -- CpuFreq and CpuIdle Apr 05 07:35:57 ahh Apr 05 07:36:00 grndslm: one is based on increasing frequency to deal with load, the other is about pushing the CPU into lower and lower power states based on deadlines. Apr 05 07:36:15 interesting Apr 05 07:36:34 we changed the heursitics on our OMAP kernel for CpuIdle to let it go into the C5 state almost all of the time. Apr 05 07:37:01 there are some cases that can cause this to trip up, which is when CpuFreq (DVFS) would make some improvement. Apr 05 07:37:08 but not massive ones. Apr 05 07:37:33 the big win with DVFS is actually when you can drop the core bus frequency from 166 to 83. Apr 05 07:37:55 but this can sometimes cause you to lose your WAN data -- USB glitches. Apr 05 07:38:09 glitches suck Apr 05 07:38:20 this has been fixed in later kernels -- Android's 2.6.29 OMAP kernel for example. Apr 05 07:38:39 niiiice Apr 05 07:38:54 Nokia likely fixed it for N900 Apr 05 07:39:04 which is where most of the Android kernel for OMAP came from. Apr 05 07:39:08 the textfields dissapearing are somewhat expected, but the solution doesnt work, not for me anywya Apr 05 07:39:29 * cdm is glad that TI is just putting stuff directly into the mainline for OMAP4. Apr 05 07:43:26 hmm - C40, OMAP4, I see a pattern there ... ;-) Apr 05 07:44:15 * rwhitby bbl Apr 05 07:44:24 hi all Apr 05 07:45:08 hello JenP Apr 05 07:45:40 It is like magic Apr 05 07:47:19 hey JenP Apr 05 07:47:31 hey rod Apr 05 07:47:38 JenP: have you tried Preware Alpha yet Apr 05 07:47:59 anyone know how to get textfield to not dissapear after every damn button press on the screen? Apr 05 07:48:02 no not yet, still need to download and install to phone Apr 05 07:48:33 ron_frown: couldn't you return the focus to the textfield? Apr 05 07:52:21 uhh seems somewhat half assed =) Apr 05 07:52:46 I cant think of a case where you'd just want text field to dissapear when you tap outside of it Apr 05 07:52:53 seems like THAT would be the exception Apr 05 07:53:08 tupac wants to dance Apr 05 08:01:51 can a dialog box trigger another dialog box if an error occurs? Apr 05 08:05:42 if not direclty seems like something you should do easily like let dialog dissapear and trigger another? Apr 05 08:05:44 figured it out...you can Apr 05 08:06:18 tomorra my father will have me on the clock Apr 05 08:08:58 I really wish I was putting my problem/blessing to better use instead of working around a bunch of crappy webos bugs Apr 05 08:09:40 ron_frown: i like to think of it as an opportunity to see how creative I can be (fl) Apr 05 08:12:18 soem of my side projects involve building a full blown database engine, and web app server for linux/freebsd Apr 05 08:12:25 this is quicker pay Apr 05 08:12:28 so I'd like ot hammer it out Apr 05 08:12:32 but its getting... old. Apr 05 08:18:36 JenP: I have another idea. Apr 05 08:18:47 what's that rwhitby? Apr 05 08:19:04 It's called the Meta-Geneticist Apr 05 08:19:50 kk...? Apr 05 08:21:28 Something which acceses you device, reads the raw filesystem, and creates a custom webOS Doctor which creates a clone of your device Apr 05 08:21:47 wow! that's cool Apr 05 08:24:03 what IS webos doctor btw Apr 05 08:24:19 you'd need to reboot the pre to read the image Apr 05 08:24:58 ron_frown: www.palm.com/rom Apr 05 08:25:02 rod that super cool Apr 05 08:25:25 just a restore Apr 05 08:25:27 ? Apr 05 08:25:36 hey question.. does save restore restore your patches after new sdk release? Apr 05 08:25:40 whats the prop of webos widgets Apr 05 08:25:47 that contains the id of the original element Apr 05 08:25:50 instead of the Apr 05 08:26:03 need to go Apr 05 08:26:05 scene--view Apr 05 08:28:49 eg, .get('someid') Apr 05 08:29:00 and now that I have that control I want to get 'someid' out of it again Apr 05 08:29:27 mmm... Meta-Geneticist sounds like some kinda goodness Apr 05 08:30:12 ladies? Apr 05 08:33:32 i'm sorry ron_frown what was the question? Apr 05 08:34:12 I have an event from a button click Apr 05 08:34:18 I want to get the original id I set in the html Apr 05 08:34:25 looks like docs say I should be able to do something like Apr 05 08:34:31 event.target.element.id Apr 05 08:34:34 but no cigar Apr 05 08:35:21 what's the original id? is this the button, textfield? Apr 05 08:35:21 JenP: yes, Save/Restore and Preware Alpha will restore patches after new webOS release Apr 05 08:35:49 rwhitby-pre: this officially puts you in my top ten Apr 05 08:35:52 well button here Apr 05 08:35:59 but I was hoping that wouldnt matter Apr 05 08:36:14 and it'd be a property I could find on all mojo widgets Apr 05 08:36:18 ok so ron_frown: it may not matter...i'm just trying to wrap my head around what you are trying to do Apr 05 08:36:41 JenP: I wasn't already? ;) Apr 05 08:36:57 rwhitby-pre:; well you were number 11 Apr 05 08:37:00 this.controller.listen(this.controller.get('starkey'), Mojo.Event.tap, this.handleButtonPress.bindAsEventListener(this)); Apr 05 08:37:00 smiles. Apr 05 08:37:07 then in the button event I want to get starkey Apr 05 08:37:12 * rwhitby-pre pouts Apr 05 08:37:13 but it rewrites ids Apr 05 08:37:26 should I just add some attribute and get it off the widget later Apr 05 08:38:56 what is it you want to do with the starkey? Apr 05 08:39:04 rwhitby-pre: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002V3C4F8/ref=oss_product Apr 05 08:39:15 what do you think of this? Apr 05 08:39:19 well basically I have same listener listening to a ton of buttons Apr 05 08:39:29 inside the event I need to tell which button was hit Apr 05 08:39:30 ohhh ok. Apr 05 08:39:39 I've done it outside button context (regular html elements) pretty easily Apr 05 08:39:51 i'm sorry i'm not the best person for what you want done Apr 05 08:41:22 yeah Apr 05 08:41:37 this doesnt seem like advanced functionality Apr 05 08:41:53 but I do see how its not ordinary behaviour Apr 05 08:44:17 morning Apr 05 08:44:20 yeah yeah yeah Apr 05 08:44:21 wtf Apr 05 08:44:28 hey swisstomcat Apr 05 08:44:43 swisstomcat: I want my damn sound code back Apr 05 08:44:55 j/k I was wondering if you ever slapped that article on the forum Apr 05 08:45:00 simple reference implementation Apr 05 08:47:16 rwhitby-pre: where do i buy the tethering app from? Apr 05 08:47:28 its free? Apr 05 08:47:31 accesspoint? Apr 05 08:47:49 ron_frown: i can send it to you :) Apr 05 08:48:10 I am just hoping to find some oddities in my stuff Apr 05 08:48:24 so I can figure out why my stuff didnt play consistently Apr 05 08:48:29 you said you did mp3 and no caching? Apr 05 08:49:45 yes Apr 05 08:49:48 no preloading Apr 05 08:49:56 hmm Apr 05 08:49:58 maybe I'll try mp3s Apr 05 08:50:02 seems to work ok Apr 05 08:50:18 had problems with playing (state_err) Apr 05 08:50:23 fast playing Apr 05 08:50:36 when it was responding to fast taps Apr 05 08:50:43 http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7817/dsc05030ll1.jpg Apr 05 08:50:48 whoops wrong channel Apr 05 08:50:58 swisstomcat: I think I can work that out Apr 05 09:16:38 who is going to the palm developer days? Apr 05 09:17:35 why Apr 05 09:17:38 why would you Apr 05 09:17:46 with everything this up in the air Apr 05 09:17:49 meet developers Apr 05 09:17:50 theres nothing worth learning Apr 05 09:17:53 chat with palm people Apr 05 09:18:23 what is the recommended method of doing ANYTHING intelligent with the event form abutton tap Apr 05 09:18:41 what are you trying to do? Apr 05 09:18:45 it gives a rewritten id, and doesnt return the attribtues from the setupWidget Apr 05 09:19:00 be able to put something on a button widget that I can then lookat from event Apr 05 09:19:14 id would normally work, however it would seem that mojo rewrites all that Apr 05 09:19:25 In setup widget I tried to add a keyid attribute Apr 05 09:19:26 i was using event.target.id Apr 05 09:19:53 according to palm inspector the ids are fine Apr 05 09:19:55 but then I get something like Apr 05 09:20:36 palm_anon_element_0mojo-scene-scene-1key-buttonlable Apr 05 09:20:43 as the event.target.id of a button press Apr 05 09:20:55 that seems strange Apr 05 09:21:04 what does event.target give back? Apr 05 09:21:42 htmdiv Apr 05 09:21:43 dude Apr 05 09:21:48 same old shit I was having earlier Apr 05 09:21:59 tap doesnt actually fire on the button even though thats what you registered on Apr 05 09:22:01 nice Apr 05 09:22:01 event.target should be an object Apr 05 09:22:20 its not =) Apr 05 09:22:36 well its a HTMLDiv object Apr 05 09:23:00 info: tapevent on: [object HTMLDivElement] Apr 05 09:23:42 that seems ok Apr 05 09:23:49 so far Apr 05 09:24:03 but then Apr 05 09:24:19 button: palm_anon_element_0mojo-scene-Dialer1key-buttonLabel Apr 05 09:24:25 thats the event.target.id Apr 05 09:24:48 shit is just not consistent whatsoever with mjo Apr 05 09:24:49 fuck it Apr 05 09:25:02 I am goign to create 1 metric fuckton of button handlers Apr 05 09:25:09 I set attribtue in setupwidget Apr 05 09:25:30 and try to get that from event.target.readAttribute('keyid') Apr 05 09:25:33 undefined Apr 05 09:25:34 YAY! Apr 05 09:25:44 even though htmlinspector shows it rendering correctly Apr 05 09:26:01 these are seriously fucking retarded problems to have Apr 05 09:26:34 oh well Apr 05 09:26:38 I think I am going to crash Apr 05 09:26:52 webos crapping all over me = bedtime Apr 05 09:26:55 i'm checking out how it works here Apr 05 09:27:15 nothing is consistent Apr 05 09:27:29 its like eys we'll pass target along, but dont rely on it, It doesnt work the same everywhere Apr 05 09:27:52 hey swisstomcat Apr 05 09:28:10 same here strange enough Apr 05 09:28:34 palm_anon_element_0mojo-scene.levelbuttonnew-buttonlabel Apr 05 09:28:39 hey rwhitby Apr 05 09:29:14 swisstomcat: so how do you do anything wiht that Apr 05 09:29:16 or you dont Apr 05 09:29:27 thats not what palm inspector shows either Apr 05 09:29:36 it will just show as levelbuttonnew Apr 05 09:29:36 i'm going to find out why i doesn't work as expected Apr 05 09:30:09 well I totally get WHY they rewrite the id's Apr 05 09:30:29 but I dont get how you are supposed to do anything usefull with the target Apr 05 09:30:30 because setupWidgets actually inserts data into the dom Apr 05 09:30:35 yeah Apr 05 09:30:51 but I would think if its doing that it should be easy enough to get at original id Apr 05 09:30:58 is there anyway to dump an object to a string in js? Apr 05 09:31:37 got an idea Apr 05 09:31:43 event.target.innerHTML Apr 05 09:31:51 event.target.srcElement Apr 05 09:32:29 from the developer forum Apr 05 09:32:31 "@robertsd - the framework uses the values you specify in the button model to create and maintain the button widget, but it doesn't use that object directly in the button widget DOM element(s). In other words when there's a tap event, the event object will have the DOM properties of that button widget, which doesn't include the model." Apr 05 09:34:12 the really doesnt help tho Apr 05 09:34:19 I understand how its disconnected Apr 05 09:34:23 dont get how to work around it Apr 05 09:34:44 this.controller.setupWidget("1key", this.attributes = {'keyid':'1'}... Apr 05 09:34:45 and yet Apr 05 09:34:57 event.target.readAttribute('keyid') Apr 05 09:35:05 = undefined when clicking on 1key button Apr 05 09:35:39 even shows as rendering html out in the god damn html in palm inspector Apr 05 09:36:03 hmmm Apr 05 09:36:06 this.controller.get( 'btnC' ).observe( Mojo.Event.tap, this.handleButton.bindAsEventListener( this, 'C' ) ); Apr 05 09:36:15 MainAssistant.prototype.handleButton = function( event, label ) { Apr 05 09:36:22 that could be a workaround Apr 05 09:36:46 wow Apr 05 09:36:48 what a nightmare tho Apr 05 09:36:55 yeah, not very clean Apr 05 09:36:56 that defeats the whole purpose of handler reuse Apr 05 09:37:21 the whole reason I was tring to wire the same event up to 10 buttons was to avoid copying code a million places Apr 05 09:37:35 I am over it Apr 05 09:37:39 v1 is going to be vhalfassed Apr 05 09:37:47 because thats what I have to work with Apr 05 09:37:48 i had 18 handlers before Apr 05 09:38:03 ended up using the general windows handler and filtering out Apr 05 09:38:50 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.window, Mojo.Event.tap, this.tapHandler, false); Apr 05 09:38:58 you know... this is exactly the problem wiht webos Apr 05 09:39:10 its REAL nice that theoretically you can build apps with html and css and javascript Apr 05 09:39:21 but because html and javascript are so all over the place Apr 05 09:39:28 its just making things worse instead of better Apr 05 09:39:39 I'm too frustrated Apr 05 09:39:46 I'll look at it with a fresh mind tomorrow Apr 05 09:39:52 it'd be easier to have it more consistent Apr 05 09:40:34 well yeah Apr 05 09:40:45 and shit like the media bits Apr 05 09:40:49 html media crap sucks Apr 05 09:40:58 I should just build a little c++ application layer Apr 05 09:41:04 yeah Apr 05 09:41:05 route all my evnets and shit through it Apr 05 09:41:14 because at least that stuff is understandable and predictable Apr 05 12:17:56 hi haeffb-wirc Apr 05 13:17:35 Bmyers: hows it going today? Apr 05 13:24:03 haeffb_pre still going. kids are back in school.. woo hoo!! Apr 05 13:25:17 my new app now has competition. should have done this one months ago... Apr 05 13:26:04 same API? Apr 05 13:26:14 yep Apr 05 13:26:18 good morning guys Apr 05 13:26:59 his is in the Palm beta feed. plans on releasing to the catalog the middle of this month. Apr 05 13:27:24 (although I don't think it ready for prime time...) Apr 05 13:27:30 you plan on selling your app? Apr 05 13:27:30 morning haeffb,bmyers Apr 05 13:27:41 Hi Jenp, hey swisstomcat Apr 05 13:27:51 hi JenP. brain still swirling? Apr 05 13:28:01 swisstomcat! Apr 05 13:28:14 yes, I plan to. Apr 05 13:28:53 better do it quickly Apr 05 13:29:42 or do it better. Apr 05 13:29:56 or cheaper Apr 05 13:29:58 yeah, as long as it's better you're probably fine :) Apr 05 13:30:00 i know Apr 05 13:30:12 do it better, for less money, and better quality Apr 05 13:30:24 the holy triad of software donts.. Apr 05 13:30:42 not just software Apr 05 13:30:52 yeah, women too.. Apr 05 13:30:55 heh Apr 05 13:31:39 haeffb-wirc: brain's always swirling...but today it's counter clockwise Apr 05 13:32:31 hmmm...does that mean you're south of the equator? Apr 05 13:32:42 lol i wish Apr 05 13:32:45 anyone going to the developer days? Apr 05 13:33:01 not i Apr 05 13:33:21 i made a reservation for the flight Apr 05 13:35:03 I would go if I were independently wealthy & didn have to work a real job... Apr 05 13:35:30 i'm neither wealthy or have no real job Apr 05 13:35:37 going anyway Apr 05 13:35:39 :) Apr 05 13:36:51 i need some logic help.... Apr 05 13:37:43 firstMonth + (i % 12) Apr 05 13:38:07 if i = 3 Apr 05 13:38:21 i'm firstmonth = 4 Apr 05 13:38:39 i get 7....which is good Apr 05 13:38:49 but if i = 11 Apr 05 13:39:03 i get 15....which is bad Apr 05 13:39:37 i need the results to also mod 12 so i have the correct month Apr 05 13:40:12 you should be able to just move your modulo operation to the end of all the additions .. Apr 05 13:40:14 should i just make an internal loop? or is there a better way? Apr 05 13:40:16 (firstmonth + (i % 12)) % 12) ? Apr 05 13:40:29 (a mod b) + (c mod b) should be the same as (a + c) mod b Apr 05 13:40:34 not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this Apr 05 13:40:59 wow...everyones awake now..... Apr 05 13:41:04 thanks guys Apr 05 13:42:37 why does it sometimes seem as though this place is a bunch of vultures just waiting to pounce on a question (to mix a metaphor)? Apr 05 13:42:52 lol Apr 05 13:43:06 go ahead. make my day. ask something! Apr 05 13:43:48 hi Apr 05 13:43:53 hi Apr 05 13:44:00 so who's made their app multi-cultural? Apr 05 13:44:03 hi benluo Apr 05 13:44:07 i did Apr 05 13:44:12 how to close the dialog? this.widget.mojo.close()? Apr 05 13:44:18 go ahead benluo. ask something! Apr 05 13:44:20 and if you need help, i translate apps (to german) Apr 05 13:44:36 i'm chinese Apr 05 13:44:46 mine is multi-vehicular. does that count? Apr 05 13:44:57 lol Apr 05 13:45:07 and german too ... soon Apr 05 13:45:21 including volkswagens Apr 05 13:45:31 swisstomcat what did you do for translation? Apr 05 13:45:43 technical? Apr 05 13:46:09 benluo: yes. but make sure you're saving the 'widget' reference passed into the setup() method of the dialog assistant Apr 05 13:46:23 you create a folder resources and a subfolder per language (e.g de) Apr 05 13:46:38 in that subfolder you put a file called strings.json Apr 05 13:46:57 where you put your translated string e.g "hello" : "hallo" Apr 05 13:47:04 jenp: Agenda is in Geman & french Apr 05 13:47:19 then you just put $L('hello') in your app and you're done Apr 05 13:47:31 instead of just hello Apr 05 13:47:41 haeffb-wirc: if i do not pass any widget to dialog? how can i do? Apr 05 13:47:52 just this.mojo.close()? Apr 05 13:48:07 after i push OK or cancel Apr 05 13:48:09 nice, thanks guys Apr 05 13:48:26 i think i need an "easy" project for the week Apr 05 13:48:29 the framework passes the widget to setup() Apr 05 13:49:08 normally how to save the "widget"? Apr 05 13:49:18 in your dialog assistant, you have myAssistant.prototype.setup()... Apr 05 13:49:31 yes. i have Apr 05 13:49:40 make that setup(widget) Apr 05 13:49:56 then in setup, do Apr 05 13:49:59 i want to close dialog after push OK Apr 05 13:50:08 this.widget = widget Apr 05 13:50:49 then elsewhere in the assistant, this.widget.mojo.close Apr 05 13:51:24 just like that example on webOS101 shows... Apr 05 13:51:25 thanks. i just check "The Book". the news demo also like you said. Apr 05 13:51:32 sorry for my stupid question. Apr 05 13:52:19 no stupid questions...! Apr 05 13:52:36 :P Apr 05 13:52:50 first time coding so many js Apr 05 13:53:08 like python for any other works :) Apr 05 13:53:31 it's a strange and wonderful journey... Apr 05 13:54:28 which journey? Apr 05 13:54:36 learning javascript Apr 05 13:54:45 it's like a marriage :) Apr 05 13:55:21 you learn javascript. javascript learns you. Apr 05 13:55:24 means some fun and some pain? Apr 05 13:55:30 yup Apr 05 13:55:54 or both, if youLre into that sort of thing... Apr 05 13:56:39 i saw crock(yahoo guy)'s video. very cool Apr 05 13:57:18 he is really an expert in js. but some topics are far beyond my knownledge Apr 05 13:58:59 yeah Apr 05 13:59:16 i read his book (javascript the good parts) and he's over my head many times Apr 05 14:00:40 agreed Apr 05 14:02:54 * haeffb-wirc going to watch a video... Apr 05 14:03:33 Yeah i fixed my bug! Apr 05 14:04:44 bisides js, which tools do you use most? Apr 05 14:04:58 html and css Apr 05 14:05:15 nodnod Apr 05 14:05:29 oh and photoshop to make it shiny Apr 05 14:05:30 i'm a web developer Apr 05 14:05:37 photoshop and gimp, yes Apr 05 14:06:01 i'm chinese. i want to display a chinese charactor as big as it can be in palm pre. how do i set up the css. now i use font size = 250 Apr 05 14:06:09 is there a elegent way? Apr 05 14:06:26 that should work Apr 05 14:06:48 or font size: 3 em Apr 05 14:06:51 swisstomcat: yet. It works. but looks hack/ugly Apr 05 14:07:00 JenP: any chance you could transform http://tux.crystalxp.net/en.id.20476-tux-printed-circuit.html into an icon for the Pre ? Apr 05 14:07:06 the font or the method? Apr 05 14:07:14 font Apr 05 14:07:33 rwhitby: absolutely Apr 05 14:07:55 JenP: it's the icon for a replacement Linux kernel for the Pre Apr 05 14:08:11 (the WebOS Internals Uber-Kernel) Apr 05 14:08:19 never heard of that Apr 05 14:08:20 how to set up css to make font to match the biggest screen (size 250px is ok for pre, but what about pixi Apr 05 14:08:41 useing em .. e.g 3em should work better i think? Apr 05 14:08:46 rwhitby: it's cool Apr 05 14:09:03 what does the über-kernel do? Apr 05 14:09:12 i don't think so. it's a really big font Apr 05 14:09:26 250px is some times equal to 3em? Apr 05 14:11:05 no it will make it 3x bigger then the font you set as your default Apr 05 14:11:10 3em was an example Apr 05 14:11:59 swisstomcat: the Uber-Kernel is the merging of all the best kernel patches into a single webos-internals recommended kernel that has all the features turned off by default and you install other packages or patches to enable them Apr 05 14:12:15 swisstomcat: packaged using AUPT so it's OTA aware and fail-safe Apr 05 14:12:39 very cool Apr 05 14:13:56 jenp: i need some help with an app's start screen Apr 05 14:14:28 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/start.png Apr 05 14:14:42 do you see a selector on this page? Apr 05 14:14:48 yeah Apr 05 14:15:02 most people don't Apr 05 14:15:12 any ideas how to make it more prominent? Apr 05 14:15:19 thought about an image-mao Apr 05 14:15:21 map Apr 05 14:15:35 image map would be the easiest way Apr 05 14:15:57 love the start screen cow btw Apr 05 14:16:26 an image map with text or images? Apr 05 14:16:38 wheres the little down arrow symbol? Apr 05 14:16:47 how about adding some more vertical space above start button..... Apr 05 14:16:57 that tells me there are options? Apr 05 14:17:07 what haeffb-wirc said. It's missing the down arrow that signifies it opens a menu Apr 05 14:17:13 little things make a big difference Apr 05 14:17:21 haeffb: i have not used a listselector before ... Apr 05 14:17:25 like EVERY OTHER weoOB list sekector? Apr 05 14:17:28 and give a visual cue....colored box Apr 05 14:17:44 does it have a down arrow? Apr 05 14:17:49 normally? Apr 05 14:17:52 yes Apr 05 14:17:55 oh Apr 05 14:18:03 guess i'm doing something wrong then Apr 05 14:18:03 swisstomcat: go to screen & lock preferences. look at the TURN OFF AFTER option. Apr 05 14:18:08 you've changed the CSs? Apr 05 14:18:09 thats how yours should look Apr 05 14:18:38 i see it now Apr 05 14:18:40 hmm Apr 05 14:19:04 (sorry for yelling...) Apr 05 14:19:54 didn't change it on purpose, that's for sure Apr 05 14:21:42 a visual cue is a good idea too Apr 05 14:21:51 let me see why that arrow is not there Apr 05 14:22:38 how to config putty to ssh palm pre via wifi? Apr 05 14:22:51 http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/27749fce-5c9e-4138-8b0c-0dbf0ad73e74 Apr 05 14:22:52 it shows no authorized method Apr 05 14:23:03 swisstomcat: take a look at that Apr 05 14:24:11 oh, very cool Apr 05 14:24:18 that should make it very obvious :) Apr 05 14:24:32 yup...easy peasy visual Apr 05 14:24:39 in your face visual Apr 05 14:24:42 lol Apr 05 14:24:46 love the cow Apr 05 14:24:51 you should really make that your icon Apr 05 14:25:00 i already do Apr 05 14:25:12 awesome Apr 05 14:25:21 check out the beta Apr 05 14:25:42 if you send me your png I'll make it puffy like those stickers the kids like Apr 05 14:25:50 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta Apr 05 14:26:03 send me your email Apr 05 14:26:08 pm Apr 05 14:29:45 swisstomcat: is the arrow maybe the same color as your background? Apr 05 14:30:02 or outside of the visible area Apr 05 14:30:10 i remove labelplacement left but still nothing Apr 05 14:32:49 rwhitby: what sizes do you want for your icon Apr 05 14:37:22 so, I'm thinking of the 'yellow legal pad' theme for Done. good idea? Apr 05 14:37:42 that should look good Apr 05 14:38:01 did you see that tipping app that uses a wrinkled paper? (including coffee stain) Apr 05 14:38:15 JenP: whatever the normal appinfo.json icon size is Apr 05 14:38:21 64x64 Apr 05 14:38:34 JenP: same as the ones on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Apr 05 14:38:36 nope. catalog? Apr 05 14:41:13 tip time? Apr 05 14:42:05 exactly Apr 05 14:43:18 that's awesome Apr 05 14:55:10 wow Apr 05 14:55:11 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/04/believing-in-miracles-palm-pre-plus-wins-smartphone-march-madness/ Apr 05 14:59:13 rwhitby: icons are in the mail Apr 05 15:00:06 ya. I voted about 1500 times myself. Apr 05 15:00:36 how did you do that? Apr 05 15:00:47 * JenP voted 20 times! and made siblings vote too...after i showed them how much their iphones sucked Apr 05 15:00:55 well..ok. three times Apr 05 15:06:23 hey codeslaw Apr 05 15:06:32 very strange, i can't seem to make that down-arrow appear Apr 05 15:09:29 that is very strange. Apr 05 15:09:52 weird Apr 05 15:09:56 on the dropdown list? Apr 05 15:10:14 check your CSS classes Apr 05 15:10:49 ugh, finally getting around to installing sdk1.4.1 Apr 05 15:11:39 can we use gzip compression for receiving data via AJAX? Apr 05 15:12:20 swisstomcat: are you talking about scroll fades? Apr 05 15:12:34 sugardave: i'm talking about a listselector Apr 05 15:12:48 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/start.png Apr 05 15:13:04 very strange Apr 05 15:13:04 ok, nevermind, then :D Apr 05 15:13:11 swisstomcat: you know i like the icon better flat...puffys cute but doesn't have the same flare Apr 05 15:13:15 i tried without a css Apr 05 15:13:50 codeslaw I don't think so. Apr 05 15:13:51 jenp: can you send it anyway .. just so i can check it out? Apr 05 15:14:03 swisstomcat: ofcourse Apr 05 15:17:52 I need to learn how to make a list in a list. Apr 05 15:18:18 and be able to drag items from one list to anotherfrom Apr 05 15:18:53 somebody should do that and put an example on webos101. Apr 05 15:19:25 I have tried list in list...it's hard Apr 05 15:20:30 anyone with a listSelector example in their app? Apr 05 15:21:14 ah, found one in myles :) Apr 05 15:22:53 ripping out that one worked .. hmmm Apr 05 15:23:05 i dont like list selectors Apr 05 15:23:11 hmmm Apr 05 15:23:33 list selectors are very nice. Apr 05 15:23:42 i couldnt get any other properties in the items array to 'read' except for name and value Apr 05 15:24:02 so i moved on... Apr 05 15:24:07 to what? Apr 05 15:24:21 and? what's wrong with that? Apr 05 15:24:26 plain old list - drawer - collapsible(working on now) Apr 05 15:24:51 swisstomcat - for palm-dark theme, the arrow is white... Apr 05 15:24:56 nothing - just wasnt what i needed Apr 05 15:25:00 your bg is white... Apr 05 15:25:07 haeffb: i already removed dark Apr 05 15:25:09 just sayin' Apr 05 15:25:14 ok. Apr 05 15:25:18 very strange Apr 05 15:25:20 durn Apr 05 15:25:35 swisstomcat haeffb wrote a tutorial on it too Apr 05 15:25:35 somethin in attribs? Apr 05 15:25:51 i had to wrap it into a palm-row and palm-row-wrapper Apr 05 15:26:06 now it works .. WTF Apr 05 15:26:35 mojo magic Apr 05 15:26:54 doesn't look like magic, looks like a hack Apr 05 15:27:14 the way the css styles are defined... Apr 05 15:27:29 if it looks like a hack and works like one then it probably is one :) Apr 05 15:27:34 .palm-row .list-selector Apr 05 15:29:04 ? Apr 05 15:29:17 what? Apr 05 15:31:30 swisstomcat: sent them to you Apr 05 15:31:43 ok, collapsible dividers should be setup exactly like drawers Apr 05 15:32:07 ah but BigBiff wheres the challenge in that?..... Apr 05 15:32:18 hmmm Apr 05 15:32:47 any way to turn 'off' the drawer (background being'indented') in a drawer? Apr 05 15:33:06 just put the collapsible divider and button above that? Apr 05 15:33:09 Rick_work: if not gzip, any kind of compression for downloading JSON data? Apr 05 15:33:50 basically, no. Sucks to be us. Apr 05 15:34:03 damn Apr 05 15:34:25 i'll just shorten all my keys, and remove all redundant characters from URLs Apr 05 15:39:33 manual compression. I like it. Apr 05 15:43:10 bifbiff: i used a different background in my drawers and the indention went away Apr 05 15:43:29 is stopping the spinner and hiding the spinner the same thing? i would think not, but dbl checking Apr 05 15:44:47 it's not that bad, jenp (the cow) Apr 05 15:45:03 jenp: it should be the same i think Apr 05 15:45:10 oh well feel free to use it...the psds there Apr 05 15:45:13 agreed Apr 05 15:45:43 i've seen example where it's containing div was just hidden Apr 05 15:46:04 swisstomcat: but does that tax the phones resources? Apr 05 15:46:13 probably not Apr 05 15:46:23 kk thanks Apr 05 15:46:34 since it's just an animated image .. but why would the browser animate a hidden image? Apr 05 15:46:39 ask webkit Apr 05 15:47:01 what do the others think? Apr 05 15:47:24 swisstomcat: ask a math question....they all come out for those Apr 05 15:49:32 to my knowledge, hidden DOM objects are left out of the render pipe Apr 05 15:49:47 thought it may also depend on how they are hidden Apr 05 15:49:49 ditto Apr 05 15:50:05 anyone else planning on going to Palm Developer Days? Apr 05 15:50:16 not i Apr 05 15:50:17 when/where? Apr 05 15:50:20 rick are you? Apr 05 15:50:26 i would, if it would come to texas Apr 05 15:52:19 I am. Apr 05 15:52:39 Sunnyvale, palm's campus Friday the 23 nd Sat the 24th of april. Apr 05 15:54:11 well if you're going i might too Apr 05 15:55:18 codeslaw_: me, too...let's get Palm to come to A-town Apr 05 15:55:33 a-town is the place to be Apr 05 15:55:42 Rick what hotel are you staying at? Apr 05 15:59:46 rick: i'm coming too Apr 05 15:59:54 no idea yet Jen Apr 05 16:00:01 no hotel idea either Apr 05 16:00:12 share a penthouse-room? Apr 05 16:01:02 or just put the sleeping-bag under someone's desk at palm Apr 05 16:04:55 nice Apr 05 16:05:03 jenp: here is the new layout: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/start2.png Apr 05 16:06:32 I like what you've done with error 404 Apr 05 16:07:36 review calculations are still broken. updating a review adds to the calcs. Apr 05 16:08:52 oh .. isn't that a nice 404 tho? ;) Apr 05 16:09:12 reuploaded Apr 05 16:09:19 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/start2.png Apr 05 16:10:30 yay! little arrow! Apr 05 16:10:37 thanks to myles Apr 05 16:13:56 swisstomcat: looks great Apr 05 16:14:55 yeah Apr 05 16:15:09 further measures not needed then? Apr 05 16:15:36 no i dont think so Apr 05 16:16:25 did you try out the game? Apr 05 16:19:11 so, what was different in the list selector setup? Apr 05 16:20:02 so is there an easy way to make the spinner stop when a table is finished building itself? Apr 05 16:21:21 JenP: a db table, or html table? Apr 05 16:21:31 html Apr 05 16:21:47 hmmm, not sure Apr 05 16:22:16 if you know when the last element is added, then you can do it manually there Apr 05 16:22:21 mySpinnerModel.spinning = false Apr 05 16:22:57 but, if you are dynamically updating the table contents, you'd do it in the onSuccess of your ajax Apr 05 16:24:06 spinnerWidget.mojo.stop() will work, too Apr 05 16:26:08 a blowtorch will skin a cat, too.. Apr 05 16:26:52 haeffb: it's wrapped in a palm-row div Apr 05 16:27:35 just sayin' there's more than one way... :) Apr 05 16:27:47 can i put the call to the spinner on the elements on load event? in the html? Apr 05 16:29:40 jenp: the beta version of the game is at: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta Apr 05 16:32:12 JenP: might be better to set up the listener in mojo instead? Apr 05 16:32:21 howdy folks Apr 05 16:32:31 you can use Mojo.Event.listen on "regular" js events, like mousedown, etc. Apr 05 16:32:38 Still no signup page for the developer day. Apr 05 16:32:46 Roy-Pre101: hola Apr 05 16:32:49 nodnod...it just always struggle with the spinners Apr 05 16:32:51 hi roy Apr 05 16:33:18 hey roy-pre101 Apr 05 16:33:31 roy-pre101: i'll come too to the dev days Apr 05 16:33:56 Great! Apr 05 16:34:24 Wondering if I should try to go to the jquery thing on Sunday... Apr 05 16:34:30 same here Apr 05 16:34:40 i wrote an email to ask if it's possible to just come on sunday Apr 05 16:35:56 Leah Silber seems to be the organizer Apr 05 16:36:18 this may be a dumb/basic question --what's new Apr 05 16:36:38 how can i see the default stylings of widgets? Apr 05 16:37:13 part of sdk? Apr 05 16:37:24 BigBiff: style matters, the css spreadsheet, inspector, and/or any combination of those Apr 05 16:38:28 also a great new way to inspect apps is the host mode of the emulator Apr 05 16:38:36 use chrome developer tools! Apr 05 16:38:54 oh yeah, haven't tried that yet Apr 05 16:39:05 maybe that wasnt the right question Apr 05 16:39:06 hmm Apr 05 16:40:00 BigBiff: what are you trying to figure out? Apr 05 16:40:13 just lookin around really Apr 05 16:40:30 custom widgets i guess Apr 05 16:41:12 I think the widget reference also has the name of the style? I don't do UI, so can't answer authoritatively Apr 05 16:41:27 like the default css of acommand menu for instance Apr 05 16:41:47 you'll find that in the menu.css Apr 05 16:42:14 that's going to be in the spreadsheet, plus it's going to help to use inspector/chrome dev tools to get all the computed styles, as well Apr 05 16:50:59 I think I'm just going to hang out in SF on Sunday. Eat all the good food, etc. Apr 05 17:08:55 hi everokne Apr 05 17:09:00 ert, everyone Apr 05 17:12:51 We can hang together Roy-Pre101 ... Apr 05 17:12:58 if you want to. Apr 05 17:13:01 or not. Apr 05 17:13:34 Rick_work: I'd hang with you. Apr 05 17:13:38 Roy have you chosen a hotel? Apr 05 17:13:45 Not yet Apr 05 17:13:50 can you select multiple items in popupSubmenu ? Apr 05 17:14:04 It was suggested the Marriott is near and less expensive. Someone else is staying there. Apr 05 17:15:28 the event is being held AT palm's campus in Sunnyvale... Apr 05 17:17:11 $662 for round trip from MCI to SF for two with 2 nights at a super 8 Apr 05 17:17:13 Literally, around the corner is a best-western, a motel 6, a comfort, etc... Apr 05 17:17:37 haeffb-wirc for two! Good job! Apr 05 17:17:44 Hmm, pick something without roaches and that has high-speed +/- Wifi. :) Apr 05 17:18:03 just visited travelocity Apr 05 17:18:03 I booked tickets, got a great deal on virgin america for sub $300. Apr 05 17:18:09 but not hotel yet. Apr 05 17:18:31 don't know where the super 8 is tho Apr 05 17:19:25 sucky flight times Apr 05 17:20:49 http://www.comfortinn.com/hotel/ca130 Apr 05 17:21:18 Me was marriott Apr 05 17:22:09 89 bucks a night Apr 05 17:22:28 390 per person @ that comfort inn Apr 05 17:22:29 http://www.bestwesternsiliconvalley.com/accommodations/index.cfm Apr 05 17:23:12 from 4-22 to 4-25 im only paying 300 for a room wiht two twins for two people Apr 05 17:23:14 What kind of rates do you see there? Apr 05 17:24:15 the best western is available, looks good, is $60 to $79 a night using their internet only pricing, and is literally within walking distance of the palm campus. Apr 05 17:24:29 is SFO the right airport? Apr 05 17:24:47 haeffb-wirc: You want to fly into SJC I think Apr 05 17:24:48 sjc is better haeffb-wirc sfo requires renting a car. Apr 05 17:24:52 Although I'm stuck with SFO Apr 05 17:25:00 I'm just not a fan of Best Western Apr 05 17:25:05 I'll take BART to CALTRAIN Apr 05 17:25:10 and plus, I have marriott rewards Apr 05 17:25:12 Or Caltrain Apr 05 17:25:13 Or something Apr 05 17:25:17 that works Roy-Pre101 but you're traveling alone. Apr 05 17:25:30 and I can give a ride to someone who stays at the marriott Apr 05 17:25:33 Yep, it was that or pay $200 more for the flight. Apr 05 17:25:35 got two open seats in my car Apr 05 17:25:40 $218 round trip mcj into sjc. Apr 05 17:25:53 MCI Apr 05 17:25:54 oops Apr 05 17:26:08 great fare. Apr 05 17:26:09 starting over... Apr 05 17:26:42 I pay nothing to fly there since I'm not Apr 05 17:26:54 although I DO get to enjoy a 7 hour car ride up from LA Apr 05 17:27:30 German screenshots done Apr 05 17:27:44 But then, I've chosen to go in a day early to meet with palm folk I'm working with on the book, and come back on Monday, so I can hang in SF on Sunday and do something fun. Apr 05 17:28:04 lucky sob Apr 05 17:28:13 oops that was three nights Apr 05 17:28:24 I'm in on Thursday and out on the red-eye Sunday night Apr 05 17:28:34 I'm getting there the 22, and was planning to see SF that day as well Apr 05 17:28:48 but due to classes I have to leave LA at 5pm Apr 05 17:28:50 I think Chuq may organize a dinner, I already planted a bug Apr 05 17:28:51 $382 per @ confort inn Apr 05 17:29:22 $2 more @ sheraton Apr 05 17:29:32 I'm in Thursday at 11;10, will have about an hour at Palm and then be free. Out monday at 06:43. Apr 05 17:29:45 Oh oh, good. if Chuq organized Thur dinner, all good. I'm there. Apr 05 17:30:27 haeffb-wirc, check out marriot santa clara. 89 a night with either a single queen, two doubles, and the option of 2 rollaway beds Apr 05 17:31:08 and shuttles from the airport Apr 05 17:31:21 I asked Adora about a Palm pajama party... Apr 05 17:31:30 lol Apr 05 17:31:32 no response though. :) Apr 05 17:31:45 Honestly, the Best Western looks like a good choice for me. Reviews are good, looks clean, it's cheap. I think I'll go that way. Apr 05 17:31:55 OK. Apr 05 17:32:04 I'll check it out with my travel agent (aka wife) Apr 05 17:32:04 I'm hoping my friend can skip his 3pm class so we can be in SF early Apr 05 17:32:05 http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=palm+inc+sunnyvale,+ca&fb=1&gl=us&hq=palm+inc&hnear=sunnyvale,+ca&cid=0,0,16270427664078585703&ei=wBq6S6OwBKG2NJLmkeIL&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQnwIwAA Apr 05 17:32:28 the comfort is right there too Apr 05 17:32:46 Note that I regard a half-mile as walking distance. Others have differing definitions..... Apr 05 17:33:00 the marriott is about 5-6 miles away Apr 05 17:33:32 I wonder how close that is to the Caltrain? Apr 05 17:33:37 lemketron: You around? Apr 05 17:34:19 Roy-Pre101 see pm Apr 05 17:35:31 oh Apr 05 17:38:06 hey is registration open yet? Apr 05 17:38:22 no idea Apr 05 17:38:29 not that I can find Apr 05 17:38:50 what the heck is developer days, anyhow? Apr 05 17:39:04 no idea Apr 05 17:39:08 but sounds fun Apr 05 17:39:10 dpivs -- you can email chuq to get a reserved slot Apr 05 17:39:27 wow, awesome, thanks rick_work Apr 05 17:39:42 gah Apr 05 17:39:48 email effot Apr 05 17:39:52 i'm flying into SFO Apr 05 17:40:00 but on the 21th already Apr 05 17:40:11 what is developer days? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2042 Apr 05 17:40:32 what reserved slots, rick? Apr 05 17:41:15 i'm flying to jfk and then on to sfo Apr 05 17:41:17 just ensuring that I have a slot at developer days. Contacted Chuq last week when Dion tweeted it. Apr 05 17:41:32 you think it might sell out fast? Apr 05 17:41:52 no idea. But when the registration page goes live, I'll announce it in here. Apr 05 17:41:54 I doubt it Apr 05 17:42:06 sjc would be better than sfo? Apr 05 17:42:23 Its closer and most hotels have shuttles Apr 05 17:42:33 hmmm, maybe would be better off just registering when it opens since it's today. Apr 05 17:42:35 it's even cheaper than going to sfo Apr 05 17:43:01 Well, its not a big international airport, but regional Apr 05 17:43:07 $139 with jetblue Apr 05 17:43:17 anyone driving up from socal? Apr 05 17:43:21 sjc is MUCH better than SFO. SJC is like 5 miles from Palm. Apr 05 17:43:25 dpivs: me Apr 05 17:43:29 up from LA Apr 05 17:43:45 oh yeah that's right i remember you said you're from la halfhalo_t400 Apr 05 17:43:55 but since i'm arriving on the 21st, i might just check out san francisco .. unless i can meet some palm people before Apr 05 17:44:36 i think i'm driving up too, but not set on the date i'm going yet. Apr 05 17:45:00 im driving up the 22 and coming back the 25\ Apr 05 17:45:06 how do you get from downtown to sunnyvale? Apr 05 17:45:13 downtown SF Apr 05 17:45:26 no idea swisstomcat Apr 05 17:45:29 Rick_work: what airline? Apr 05 17:45:39 american Apr 05 17:45:45 greg from socal webos devgroup wants to carpool up there, he's coming from irvine. Apr 05 17:45:53 heh Apr 05 17:46:04 swisstomcat bart to caltrain. Apr 05 17:46:10 I would, but i'm leaving at a weird time and have a friend coming as well Apr 05 17:46:14 rick: trains? Apr 05 17:46:17 nodnod Apr 05 17:46:20 k Apr 05 17:46:43 bart San Fransisco's "subway" system, to Caltrain, the northern california commuter rail. Apr 05 17:46:51 i see Apr 05 17:47:04 haven't been in san francisco for a while Apr 05 17:47:16 I havent actually used caltrain before.... Apr 05 17:47:16 anyone else going sightseeing? Apr 05 17:47:25 which is sad Apr 05 17:47:35 No need for a car. You might end up spending a few bux for a cab from time to time, but that's vastly made up for by not having to screw with parking in SF. Apr 05 17:48:00 sounds good Apr 05 17:48:24 swisstomcat Roy and I are going to bounce around SF on Sunday. He has a red eye out sunday night, I have an o-dark thirty monday am. Apr 05 17:48:40 not going to the jquery thingie then? Apr 05 17:48:48 Jquery thingie?!?!?!?! Apr 05 17:48:54 jquery conference Apr 05 17:49:06 Rick knows nothing about a jquery conference. Apr 05 17:49:12 educate me Apr 05 17:49:12 in mountain view Apr 05 17:49:19 http://events.jquery.org/2010/sf-bay-area/ Apr 05 17:49:23 is that wycat's gig? Apr 05 17:49:24 24/25.4 Apr 05 17:49:27 er wycats' Apr 05 17:49:34 wycat? Apr 05 17:49:42 the author of jquery Apr 05 17:50:17 well, i see a lot of people on the speakers list Apr 05 17:50:25 have to check if i can go just one day Apr 05 17:50:31 * haeffb-wirc thinking vacation in SF in a couple of weeks... Apr 05 17:50:55 i'm heading out to montana on monday 26th Apr 05 17:51:27 montana? Apr 05 17:51:49 bozeman, mt to visits my family that emigrated there Apr 05 17:52:10 won't just make such a long trip for the developer days Apr 05 17:52:26 hmmm... really have no personal interest in jquery. Apr 05 17:52:45 it's pretty cool .. jquery touch for example Apr 05 17:53:14 "Web audio with jQuery, Soundmanager2 and HTML5" sounds good too Apr 05 17:53:18 jquery's awesome. Apr 05 17:54:10 what about hotels? everyone staying in a single room? Apr 05 17:54:36 everyone staying at different hotels methinks Apr 05 17:56:13 oh well Apr 05 17:56:30 yeah party in the one room Apr 05 17:56:30 heh Apr 05 17:56:41 in the penthouse suite Apr 05 17:56:52 only =-13-0[[pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp Apr 05 17:56:54 '''''''''''''''''''- Apr 05 17:56:56 ... Apr 05 17:57:01 dog on kb Apr 05 17:57:05 heh Apr 05 17:57:19 well bigger party at the penthouse suite 200 peeps Apr 05 17:58:00 4 kegs and tons of chicks Apr 05 17:58:15 and lots of pres Apr 05 17:58:29 sounds good Apr 05 17:59:14 and the "pixi"chicks Apr 05 17:59:17 how (without paying big bux) do you get tons of chicks to hang out with middle-aged geeks? Apr 05 17:59:32 Kegs Apr 05 17:59:39 free beer Apr 05 17:59:48 drunk chucks Apr 05 17:59:48 by not being middle aged Apr 05 17:59:54 s/uck/ick/ Apr 05 17:59:54 in my experiance that's not enough. Apr 05 18:00:03 Jagger Apr 05 18:00:13 halfhalo_T400 there's not much I can do about the middle-aged part. 3/19/1955. Apr 05 18:00:25 heh Apr 05 18:00:37 only 19 here Apr 05 18:01:10 ah Rick_work i'll come hang out with you Apr 05 18:01:20 * swisstomcat is middle-aged Apr 05 18:04:56 halfhalo_T400: you can drink soda Apr 05 18:05:04 i know Apr 05 18:05:08 oh, how i know Apr 05 18:05:10 i can bring chocolate .. maybe that'll help Apr 05 18:05:16 what is middle aged? like 50? Apr 05 18:05:22 36 Apr 05 18:06:04 36? haha oh man, i guess i'm nearly middle aged then. Apr 05 18:06:07 swisstomcat if you bring chocolate i'll definitely show up Apr 05 18:06:18 hehe Apr 05 18:06:19 swisstomcat: 34.9 heere Apr 05 18:06:41 i'll definitely bring swiss chocolate Apr 05 18:06:56 what about goldslager? Apr 05 18:07:05 german bier? Apr 05 18:07:11 lol....well i'll bring 'smart water' it's pretty much all i drink Apr 05 18:07:46 the gold flakes are good for the heart Apr 05 18:08:01 keeps peeps young Apr 05 18:08:07 not sure if i can bring beer in my carry-on :) Apr 05 18:08:25 swisstomcat: Worth a try! Apr 05 18:08:40 tsa would probably confiscate it Apr 05 18:08:43 JenP: Is that smart water helping at all? Apr 05 18:08:48 hehe Apr 05 18:08:57 Roy-Pre101: keeps my girlish figure Apr 05 18:09:21 haha. 36 middle aged? :D I can safely say that's still young since I'm older than that. Apr 05 18:09:38 See, now Rick is an old fart because he's older than me. Apr 05 18:09:40 it's not all lost then Apr 05 18:10:06 but i've seen 15 year old developers here Apr 05 18:10:22 heh Apr 05 18:12:16 swisstomcat: so where is the party? Apr 05 18:12:27 26 here, aka, the young gun Apr 05 18:12:34 nice Apr 05 18:12:42 though i don't own any guns Apr 05 18:13:05 i've read something about a pijama party, lonestar Apr 05 18:13:31 19<26 codeslaw_ Apr 05 18:13:46 too young, imo Apr 05 18:13:57 too young for what? Apr 05 18:14:03 to drink? :) Apr 05 18:14:12 drinking at the bars to fight the depression of a botched app launch Apr 05 18:15:22 codeslaw_: pijamas = free beer = tons of chicks Apr 05 18:15:35 depends on the pijamas Apr 05 18:16:28 is orbitz still the preferred way to find flights? Apr 05 18:16:28 What's the best program to use to program apps in? I've heard of eclipse but I remember someone mentioning something else is better. Apr 05 18:16:38 komodo edit is another one Apr 05 18:16:50 even gedit works Apr 05 18:16:51 swisstomcat: i prefer kyak.com Apr 05 18:17:10 never heard of that, jen Apr 05 18:17:23 suppose to be on the clock today, working outside on landscape Apr 05 18:17:52 i've got pijamas Apr 05 18:17:52 just will just work harder tommorrow Apr 05 18:18:26 got board shorts as pajamas Apr 05 18:18:49 anyone remember that app website where you can advertise your company? Apr 05 18:19:00 twbbas: i prefer komodo Apr 05 18:19:19 komodo's pretty good, it's what I use. Apr 05 18:19:24 It's not perfect but... what is? Apr 05 18:20:08 http://www.myappbox.com Apr 05 18:20:44 swisstomcat: i always use kayak too Apr 05 18:22:23 LoneStar99: nooo... there was a site recently tweeted that you can advertise app development skills for multiple platforms Apr 05 18:24:34 mobspot? Apr 05 18:24:52 Roy, Komodo's pretty good, unless you're debugging, then take a zip of your app and drop it into the newest rev of ares. This gives you functional equivalency to the debugger in firefox. (not the inspector, the debugger) Apr 05 18:25:38 also, emulator host mode is cool .. you can use safari/chrome dev tools Apr 05 18:25:40 really Rick_work? Apr 05 18:25:48 glad you guys like the new host mode! Apr 05 18:25:51 Roy-Pre101 - what's up? Apr 05 18:26:01 look who it is.... Apr 05 18:26:08 uh-oh Apr 05 18:26:24 Roy-Pre101: oh i saw that recently too, totally forget the url though Apr 05 18:26:37 any timeframe for getting the dev days registration page up so we can, you know, register? Apr 05 18:26:42 here JenP Apr 05 18:26:45 lemketron: Hey, hey. Was trying to figure out public transportation into Palm Apr 05 18:26:49 that's a question for chuq, not me. Apr 05 18:27:01 Think google figured it out for me, though Apr 05 18:27:03 public transportation? Hmmm. Try google maps? Apr 05 18:27:15 ... Apr 05 18:27:35 lemketron you going to be around for Developer Days? Apr 05 18:27:37 or heck, if you're staying nearby on Mathilda you can walk... Apr 05 18:27:55 lemketron: Kegger at your house on Saturday night, right? Apr 05 18:28:08 i like that plan Apr 05 18:28:10 theymakeapps.com Apr 05 18:28:19 swisstomcat: thanks Apr 05 18:28:20 hah Apr 05 18:28:28 just realized my little sister will be 10 on 4/10/10 Apr 05 18:28:36 look guys, cali... ya it's nice. but TEXAS! that's where we should do this. we have plenty of room! Apr 05 18:28:40 I might be up for dinner on Thursday though if chuq puts something together. Apr 05 18:28:44 I should be here on Friday and maybe Saturday Apr 05 18:28:52 cool Apr 05 18:29:01 anywhere warmer would be nice. too bad we have to do it here. :-/ Apr 05 18:29:04 lucky thursday night sobs Apr 05 18:29:04 Mrs. Lemketron would sure put that idea down fast, hmm? Apr 05 18:29:05 isn't your house big enough, lemketron? Apr 05 18:29:13 Texas likes LoneStar Beer Apr 05 18:29:27 sure, but there are so many hazards scattered all over the floor (legos, etc.) Apr 05 18:29:32 as far as cheap beer goes, yes, lonestar is #1 Apr 05 18:29:46 it's the national beer of texas. anything else is considered treasonous Apr 05 18:29:55 2 dollar LoneStar Apr 05 18:30:00 walking instructions from the comfort inn: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=595+North+Mathilda+Avenue,+Sunnyvale,+CA+94085-3505+(Comfort+Inn+Sunnyvale-San+Jose)&daddr=950+W+Maude+Ave,+Sunnyvale,+CA+94085&hl=en&geocode=FV2MOgIdKPe5-CGNKdhY_86ymCnrp_6nU7aPgDFJPPFssX-8nA%3B&mra=ls&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=04%2F05%2F10&time=11:27am&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=&sll=37.379706,-122.033644&sspn=0.025406,0.038538&ie=UTF8&z=16&start=0 Apr 05 18:30:12 and rick perry doesn't take kindly to them folk who don't drank his beer Apr 05 18:30:39 comfort inn is the best place to stay then? Apr 05 18:30:53 marriott! marriott! Apr 05 18:31:14 comfort inn's the closest. Apr 05 18:31:45 Here's a handful more in the same area: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hotels&sll=37.395204,-122.033665&sspn=0.0127,0.019269&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=04%2F05%2F10&time=11:27am&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=&ie=UTF8&hq=hotels&hnear=&z=16&start=0 Apr 05 18:32:05 Where was it your recommended, Rick? Best Western? Apr 05 18:32:31 need wifi tho Apr 05 18:32:57 comfort is 595 Mathilda, best western is 600 Mathilda, and has both plugin ethernet and free wifi in all rooms. Apr 05 18:33:06 very good Apr 05 18:33:29 what about this dinner on thursday night? Apr 05 18:33:40 yeah Apr 05 18:33:51 gotta see if i can go Apr 05 18:34:45 swisstomcat: you going to San Jose? Apr 05 18:35:24 lonestar: probably sfo Apr 05 18:36:02 but i'll fly out from sjc Apr 05 18:36:21 codeslaw_: had a 34 year old lonestar beer still capped Apr 05 18:39:12 how Apr 05 18:44:18 * sugardave is jealous. Apr 05 18:56:04 swisstomcat: awesome Apr 05 18:57:28 * Mousey idly wonders why one would convert swiss to mcat.. Apr 05 19:20:25 holy crap. I installed Clips because I got it free from the mac bundle.. Currently its vsize between two processes is ~10GB Apr 05 19:20:42 lol Apr 05 19:21:14 firefox is near 2GB Apr 05 19:23:18 you're clearly doing it wrong ;) Apr 05 19:33:41 has anyone used Mojo.Format.runTextIndexer ? Apr 05 19:54:15 I never have. Apr 05 19:58:59 is the review process status "Read for Review" new? Apr 05 20:17:49 Rick_work did you say you can pull a zip file into ares? Apr 05 20:18:28 you take the contents of the source directory, zip that, and go to the files tab in ares and drop the zip into the bottom window. Apr 05 20:19:20 is it still better to use chrome? Apr 05 20:20:38 does it unzip it for you? Apr 05 20:20:41 cause mine did not Apr 05 20:21:24 oh yeah it did...just took awhile Apr 05 20:24:40 rick whats the break command in ares? Apr 05 20:27:30 oops found it Apr 05 20:30:15 no news about palm developer day signup? Apr 05 20:30:34 nope Apr 05 20:33:48 Rick_work: ping Apr 05 20:34:31 pineapple Apr 05 20:38:53 mmmmpineapple Apr 05 20:48:01 might be going into the wine business Apr 05 20:48:49 ... Apr 05 20:48:52 WebOS = wine Apr 05 20:49:02 lol Apr 05 20:49:03 pineapple wine? Apr 05 20:49:35 JenP: What's the link to the editor you use? I don't think it's the one you sent earlier! Apr 05 20:49:46 all i can say it will be $4.99 reserved wine Apr 05 20:50:05 ? Roy-Pre101 the komodo one? Apr 05 20:51:04 kayak kyak or whatever Apr 05 20:51:13 the 2 buck chuck, in cali will have some competion in about 3 years Apr 05 20:51:47 for plane tickets and lodging.... http://www.kayak.com/ Apr 05 20:52:56 heher Apr 05 20:53:21 skipped the part about learning the collapsible divider animation Apr 05 20:53:31 used unstyled drawer beneath the divider Apr 05 20:53:52 yay me - ignorance is easier Apr 05 20:57:22 wow, are you ALL going to the palm dev day? Apr 05 20:57:55 yes Apr 05 20:58:04 DAMMIT MAN THINK OF THE CHILDEN Apr 05 20:58:18 heh Apr 05 20:58:21 cool Apr 05 20:58:31 where's the palm dev day? Apr 05 20:58:34 and when? Apr 05 20:59:00 april 23-24 in Sunnyvalle Apr 05 20:59:14 dadburn - cal -i -for-nye-aye Apr 05 20:59:26 ah damn. i can't be there that day Apr 05 20:59:30 heh Apr 05 20:59:33 whew - i hear theres big cities up there! Apr 05 20:59:49 fancy Apr 05 20:59:56 sunnyvale is nice, and i've got a pad to crash in mountain view Apr 05 21:00:06 but.. no go those days, out of the country Apr 05 21:00:08 bah Apr 05 21:00:11 sweet - wine country, yes? Apr 05 21:00:16 eh close Apr 05 21:00:25 its not far from wine country Apr 05 21:00:35 or me being out of the country in wine country? heh. no Apr 05 21:00:45 heh Apr 05 21:00:53 india. Apr 05 21:00:57 not known for it's wines Apr 05 21:01:22 well, the kama sutra Apr 05 21:01:24 where is Palm Dev/ Apr 05 21:01:27 better than wine Apr 05 21:01:29 lol Apr 05 21:01:35 maybe Apr 05 21:01:51 well maybe, but i'm just going to india to work with a company for a week Apr 05 21:01:53 oh well Apr 05 21:01:58 * pandora-- knows jack about india Apr 05 21:02:00 cool Apr 05 21:02:09 India is nice Apr 05 21:02:12 im reminded of a south park episode Apr 05 21:02:18 'they took rjobs' Apr 05 21:02:20 heh Apr 05 21:02:26 lol Apr 05 21:02:40 they toooook oooouurrr jorrrrrbssss! Apr 05 21:03:01 lol Apr 05 21:03:10 make sure to get cleansed in the river Apr 05 21:03:13 ganges? Apr 05 21:03:17 mmmm, clean Apr 05 21:03:21 hurgh. Apr 05 21:03:49 i'm taking one suitcase of clothes and one of poptarts and caprisun Apr 05 21:03:52 i will survive Apr 05 21:03:53 ! Apr 05 21:04:24 g'night everyone Apr 05 21:04:34 cya Apr 05 21:05:04 reserve me a developer day spot too, please Apr 05 21:05:23 i want a spot! Apr 05 21:05:55 like my pop said we are land rich, got no cash, but we where given 4,000+ acres Apr 05 21:12:35 so assuming a grape can grow, we can compete with Cali with wine very soon Apr 05 21:13:34 nope Apr 05 21:13:35 :) Apr 05 21:13:38 hehehe Apr 05 21:13:38 it takes a couple years before you can get a good grape harvest depending on the grape you're growing Apr 05 21:15:00 a winery around me recently had a problem which took out the vines they use to make their Gewürztraminer .. 3 or 4 years later was their first harvest after they got new vines growing, and it just wasn't nearly as good :( Apr 05 21:15:44 yeah for sure but if u buy the fruiting size it is magic Apr 05 21:17:21 it is a risk but what is not a risk Apr 05 21:17:42 hola Apr 05 21:17:49 howdy Apr 05 21:20:01 the grapes work well here, the question is will they grow where the land is Apr 05 21:23:49 need to chat with chuqui my main app has not sold in 3 weeks Apr 05 21:52:46 Rick_work: ping Apr 05 21:53:58 MONKEY Apr 05 21:54:17 lol Apr 05 21:54:37 Don't Judge Me Apr 05 21:54:51 giggles... Apr 05 21:55:54 in the FACE Apr 05 21:59:10 Wow, the Palm folks have been quiet about the developer day today. Apr 05 22:00:06 thats because chuq isn't here Apr 05 22:00:21 and no-one like lemketron... I mean, what? Apr 05 22:00:22 :p Apr 05 22:00:26 I kid, I kid.... Apr 05 22:11:26 pong -- looooong tech support call with custom software customer. Apr 05 22:11:43 JenP -- I'm back Apr 05 22:11:52 lol Apr 05 22:12:00 PM Apr 05 22:13:20 Tupac! Apr 05 22:16:59 excited make vines like wine Apr 05 22:17:16 LoneStar99: where are you again? Apr 05 22:17:46 leaving programing Apr 05 22:17:57 South Texas Apr 05 22:18:49 *nods* Apr 05 22:19:00 didn't know there were any vineyards in TX Apr 05 22:19:43 neither did I Apr 05 22:20:54 that's cool Apr 05 22:20:59 well, arizona has some right? Apr 05 22:21:16 i only know of one (maynard from Tool has vineyard there) Apr 05 22:21:39 Look who showed up..... Apr 05 22:22:14 chuqui, now you get to answer all th dev days questions! Apr 05 22:22:53 achoo! Apr 05 22:23:04 exvcuses... Apr 05 22:23:24 actually, what I'm going to do is sit here and try to catch up on all the backlogged email. Apr 05 22:23:32 for a couple of hours. then head hom again... Apr 05 22:23:36 lol Apr 05 22:23:40 really do not know, have worked my ass off programming, it left me exactly the same. Apr 05 22:23:40 i got my email chuqui....don't listen to them Apr 05 22:24:01 LoneStar99: what do you mean? Apr 05 22:24:10 JenP: I just got mine too Apr 05 22:24:16 i am done coding Apr 05 22:24:21 then can you at lease answer a question chuqui, which is when can we register for the dev days? can't find a link for it anywhere Apr 05 22:24:28 trying to register for me and a friend Apr 05 22:25:29 LoneStar99: that's good, way to do something cool post-coder too Apr 05 22:25:42 registration page is almost ready to go live. I'll pass the word. Apr 05 22:25:47 coding left me exactly nothing Apr 05 22:26:01 kk Apr 05 22:27:40 LoneStar99: ah. maybe some $$ at least Apr 05 22:27:49 LoneStar99: enough to buy some awesome grapes? Apr 05 22:28:07 I just successfully got through the (four) registrtion pages Chuqi Apr 05 22:28:09 dude I am the poorest coder Apr 05 22:28:31 from the link in the email we got. Apr 05 22:28:52 from palmnewsletters.com Apr 05 22:29:38 but in 3 years Cali needs to watch out Apr 05 22:31:44 woo hoo i'm registered! Apr 05 22:32:06 I feel left out... Apr 05 22:32:12 nice Apr 05 22:32:25 halfhalo_T400 what's your email i'll forward you mine Apr 05 22:32:42 patrick at silentbluesystems dot com Apr 05 22:32:54 https://secure1.regsvc.com/registration/?TYPE=E&ID=2&LC=&PIN=&REF=&dbGUID=9A3C79FD-7BAA-4866-BFBD-E1385AA7935C&sssdmh=dm13.241444 Apr 05 22:33:00 well hell that was simpler Apr 05 22:35:11 chatted with my ex girlfriend, not sure if she was excited Apr 05 22:35:42 ffffffffffffff Apr 05 22:35:47 gotta find my wallet Apr 05 22:35:50 at the end, she has no clue Apr 05 22:35:53 but that you JenP Apr 05 22:36:00 Cool, I'm registered too. :-) Apr 05 22:36:38 you don't count lemketron Apr 05 22:36:45 halfhalo_T400 it's just the link to register Apr 05 22:36:51 it's not tied to my account... Apr 05 22:36:56 from what i can tell Apr 05 22:37:01 so? I can't say thank you? Apr 05 22:37:18 oh well you said but "that you" Apr 05 22:37:19 you could, but you didn't. Apr 05 22:37:26 hehheheheh Apr 05 22:37:47 my ex girlfriend was ver chill. not many people live like her. Apr 05 22:37:56 i hate you all Apr 05 22:38:02 dev day registration is now live: https://secure1.regsvc.com/registration/regPage.aspx?visit=60b1c188-4414-477d-9699-d21b373d4103&db=9a3c79fd-7baa-4866-bfbd-e1385aa7935c&servertype=5&Loc=en-US&pageID=14 Apr 05 22:38:03 * halfhalo_T400 goes crying into a corner Apr 05 22:38:14 let me try that again. Apr 05 22:38:20 dev day registration is now live: http://bit.ly/acoaBs Apr 05 22:38:23 ah come on halfhalo_T400 put your big girl panties on.... Apr 05 22:38:23 chuqui: will there be a live feed or something so that I can participate? Apr 05 22:39:31 rwhitby: worst comes to worst I can always throw skype on my laptop and turn it around to face the speakers, etc for you Apr 05 22:39:32 Wait, they want money for this? Hey chuqui... where's the "Palm people are free" button? :-) Apr 05 22:39:49 she was simple and she is simple, at the end her folks bought a $5,000,000 house on the beach "mission beach" Apr 05 22:40:05 and you broke up with her WHY? Apr 05 22:40:21 lemketron: whack! whack! whack! who do you think I am, cory doctorow? Apr 05 22:40:24 i had to Apr 05 22:40:51 did no want to be that dude\ Apr 05 22:41:37 Cory who? Apr 05 22:41:55 Blogger Apr 05 22:42:18 i'm excited! we should all meet up for dinner friday night Apr 05 22:43:00 LoneStar99: you broke up with her because her parents have $? Apr 05 22:43:24 Yeah Apr 05 22:43:53 did not want to be that dude Apr 05 22:44:34 chuqui: are you planning on doing a developer meet and greet? Apr 05 22:44:51 I like friday night dinner Apr 05 22:45:06 hi Adora Apr 05 22:45:10 hola Apr 05 22:45:19 heya! Apr 05 22:45:23 I need to ask @adora and see what we might do. there's been a few asking about a thursday night pizza thingie. Apr 05 22:45:40 uh oh, what are we doing? Apr 05 22:45:42 chuqui: cool Apr 05 22:45:43 look at that timing... Apr 05 22:45:43 OK, I take it back, I'm not registered, because I'm too cheap to actually pay. Maybe Adora will comp me a badge. :-) Apr 05 22:45:54 LoneStar99: dunno how it conflicts, but that's a personal thing Apr 05 22:46:04 chuqui: dude my sales are to the shit Apr 05 22:46:07 lemketron: hang with me, kid...I'll put you on the list =] Apr 05 22:46:13 LoneStar99: i wouldn't judge someone on how much $ they or their parents have Apr 05 22:46:18 how much or how little Apr 05 22:46:28 Oh, hey, I might have to show up after all! Apr 05 22:46:34 heh Apr 05 22:46:36 Hello everyone! Apr 05 22:46:45 pandora--: it is brilliant Apr 05 22:47:10 linestar99 that's kinda how I feel right now, too. sigh. Apr 05 22:47:22 pandora--: very simple folks Apr 05 22:48:03 Do I need a palm pre or palm pixi in order to participate in the hot apps contest? Apr 05 22:48:10 LoneStar99: *shrug* what do i know? :) Apr 05 22:48:22 chuqui: it is like $300+ Apr 05 22:49:30 pandora: so you must be in the same Apr 05 22:49:54 crap i may not be going...forgot the half marathon is that weekend Apr 05 22:51:36 LoneStar99: must be in the same what? Apr 05 22:52:12 Do I need a pre in order to participate in the Hot Apps program? Apr 05 22:53:05 not sure Apr 05 22:53:23 figaroo: no Apr 05 22:54:02 ggrrr i am sad to miss out on dev days Apr 05 22:54:14 Do I need to be a company or can I just be an independent developer? Apr 05 22:54:20 indie Apr 05 22:54:36 all the legal stuff is on the hot apps page, its not too long Apr 05 22:55:18 Do I need to have a Developer account? Apr 05 22:55:38 I guess of course. Apr 05 22:55:45 But what would I put for my company name? Apr 05 22:55:57 figaroo: make one up Apr 05 22:56:10 haha Apr 05 22:56:11 ok Apr 05 22:57:31 just tired take a break Apr 05 22:57:49 LoneStar99: in the same what? Apr 05 22:58:15 Adora: UT grad?! Apr 05 22:58:23 Bro: like magic Apr 05 22:58:30 codeslaw_: arlington, yeah Apr 05 22:58:34 the "other" UT =] Apr 05 22:58:42 right on! Apr 05 22:58:44 austin here Apr 05 22:59:01 the other UTA, I should say Apr 05 22:59:11 indeed Apr 05 22:59:23 St. EdwARDS Apr 05 22:59:27 you guys always get all the love Apr 05 22:59:45 but I think arlington has sports teams and stuff now, so maybe it's different Apr 05 23:00:06 In the Hot Apps program, is the winner of the paid apps category determined by the number of downloads for the app or the amount of revenue earned off the app? Apr 05 23:00:19 A kegger Apr 05 23:00:20 the UT board is defintely austin centric Apr 05 23:00:45 and they can be pretty ridiculous Apr 05 23:01:08 Adora: Hey there. Apr 05 23:01:17 Is the registration site live now? Apr 05 23:01:32 yup Apr 05 23:02:02 it is all gay Apr 05 23:02:20 it's live Roy-Pre101, i finished registration like 10 minutes ago. Apr 05 23:02:32 It's phone calls like that that make me realize how good at my job I am. Apr 05 23:02:54 Hmm, I can't find it from the dev site. Apr 05 23:03:03 Got a link? Apr 05 23:03:18 https://secure1.regsvc.com/registration/?TYPE=E&ID=2&LC=&PIN=&REF=&dbGUID=9A3C79FD-7BAA-4866-BFBD-E1385AA7935C&sssdmh=dm13.241444 Apr 05 23:03:21 chuqui: Am I already registered or should I hit the site? Apr 05 23:03:30 hit the site Apr 05 23:03:35 i think chuq had a shortened url earlier Apr 05 23:03:53 dev day registration is now live: http://bit.ly/acoaBs Apr 05 23:04:22 * rwhitby checks international airfare prices ... Apr 05 23:04:49 does priceline.com work in .au ? Apr 05 23:04:52 chuqui it seems brilliant Apr 05 23:07:31 where can I view the app catalog online in my web browser? Apr 05 23:07:39 Tempted to come on Friday just to see what's covered. Apr 05 23:09:29 you should Apr 05 23:13:08 Registered Apr 05 23:13:22 Very much excited about pretty much everything on Saturday. Apr 05 23:26:08 Did anyone else get an e-mail from Millennial Media? Apr 05 23:30:18 nope Apr 05 23:31:44 Rick_work: it worked!!! Apr 05 23:32:05 you have the most brilliant mind.... Apr 05 23:37:15 Is the only way to view the app catalog for the palm pre on the palm pre itself? Apr 05 23:38:19 chuqui: is there a big backup with app reviews right now? Apr 05 23:38:48 Or can I view the app catalog online somewhere? Apr 05 23:38:53 figaroo: http://projectappetite.com/ Apr 05 23:39:03 But is that official? Apr 05 23:39:21 it pulls it from palm .. but i guess it isn't 100% official Apr 05 23:39:26 it's from the palm folks .. Apr 05 23:39:34 I'm on projectappetite.com right now, been on it for a while, and it still says loading app data. Apr 05 23:40:23 Will it atleast tel me which apps are the in the top 200? Apr 05 23:40:47 it says it has a top overall Apr 05 23:41:06 k Apr 05 23:41:19 ty Apr 05 23:41:57 it stop loading, but there's no apps. Apr 05 23:49:09 heh, i was reading earlier posts Apr 05 23:49:15 the real UT is in tennessee Apr 05 23:52:00 kmdrick probably launch last week, holday weekend. I've been offline a few days, just starting to catch up on status of things. (achoo) Apr 06 00:17:29 nice night Apr 06 00:17:35 time for virtual telescope Apr 06 00:21:41 virtual telescope? Apr 06 00:48:21 world wide telescope Apr 06 00:48:22 sorry Apr 06 00:48:31 killer program Apr 06 00:48:47 just saw venus/mercury alignment Apr 06 00:49:01 im a space nerd, what can i say Apr 06 00:49:47 thats my next app project Apr 06 00:50:06 <-------doesnt have the skills Apr 06 00:50:34 actually theres plenty of star map apps Apr 06 00:50:44 maybe? Apr 06 00:51:57 i wanna do one that shows satellite/space station flyovers Apr 06 00:52:01 per gps Apr 06 00:52:22 that doesnt exist for any phone Apr 06 01:35:40 hi all Apr 06 01:36:23 yo Apr 06 01:39:27 hola Apr 06 02:02:32 hola Apr 06 02:02:39 hi haeffb Apr 06 02:03:55 hey, have a new theme for Done...sort of. Apr 06 02:04:04 let me take a screen cap... Apr 06 02:04:05 yeah? Apr 06 02:04:08 kk Apr 06 02:06:23 http://img109.imageshack.us/i/done20100504210406.png/ Apr 06 02:06:58 oh haeffb: very nice Apr 06 02:07:04 basic concept, still needs a bit of refinement. Apr 06 02:07:23 suggestion.....change the blue no folder line to a lighter shade Apr 06 02:07:46 good thought. Apr 06 02:07:49 love the check marks Apr 06 02:07:53 that'll be on the list. Apr 06 02:08:01 stole those straight outta the Tasks app. Apr 06 02:08:07 and the header image. Apr 06 02:08:14 how about customizing the command buttons to match your header texture? Apr 06 02:08:19 lol Apr 06 02:09:17 that'd be cool. not sure if I have the skillz to do that. Apr 06 02:09:19 on header image add light source glow on top Apr 06 02:09:33 this will make it pop from the regular header Apr 06 02:09:52 haeffb:....well i know this chic.....she's kinda good at that sort of stuff Apr 06 02:10:45 sweet. I'll play with it a bit, then see if I can locate said chic for some finishing touches... :) Apr 06 02:10:52 sounds like a plan Apr 06 02:11:05 also change bottom fade to dark Apr 06 02:11:12 light throws off your flow Apr 06 02:11:38 that looks good. Apr 06 02:11:51 doesn't it? i totally agree Apr 06 02:12:00 yes. there's a ton of work left. just wanted to see how the basics would look. Except for the background, everything else is still "stock" Apr 06 02:12:29 smiles...nothing wrong with stock Apr 06 02:12:49 can you add a spacer above the my order drop down Apr 06 02:12:58 make it bottom aligned instead of top? Apr 06 02:13:03 yes, will have to move that. Apr 06 02:13:24 and change font color...lighter Apr 06 02:13:41 smiles...k i'm done.... Apr 06 02:13:42 sorry Apr 06 02:13:57 you'll get a chance to play with it later. Apr 06 02:14:15 lol well it just so happens i'm not sleeping much so i'll be up Apr 06 02:14:29 I'll probably remove a lot of the detail fields from the list as well. Apr 06 02:14:36 tighten the whole thing up. Apr 06 02:14:43 later as in...a few days/week. Apr 06 02:14:53 smiles Apr 06 02:15:14 I need to desaturate the yellow, too. It's way bright on the pre. Apr 06 02:15:49 yeah? Apr 06 02:16:06 maybe not "way" but a bit. Apr 06 02:16:16 try toning down the blues first you'll get a nice complementary scheme Apr 06 02:17:00 kk Apr 06 02:17:10 back to work on the "meat" of the app first. Apr 06 02:17:40 lol...so i'm the potatoes? Apr 06 02:17:54 the garnish. Apr 06 02:18:00 lol Apr 06 02:18:12 and I really do have to finish taxes. Apr 06 02:18:16 sigh. Apr 06 02:18:20 ew...have fun Apr 06 02:22:28 sweet thing van morrison Apr 06 02:28:25 the pogues Fairytale of New York Apr 06 02:40:54 gone mobile. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 06 02:59:56 2010