**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 07 02:59:57 2010
Apr 07 03:08:04 <twbbas> I can't find anywhere how to add a header to my app. Can anyone help me out please?
Apr 07 03:10:53 <haeffb> StyleMatters has an example.
Apr 07 03:12:08 <rwhitby> twbbas: preware is open source
Apr 07 03:14:35 <twbbas> Thanks, forgot about the samples that came with sdk
Apr 07 03:14:46 <twbbas> I'm switching from ares to actually coding the app
Apr 07 03:14:54 <twbbas> Ares got too confusing
Apr 07 03:59:14 <twbbas> Imageview is so hard
Apr 07 04:06:08 <twbbas> I'll try again in the morning, hopefully I'll get it then. G'night all!
Apr 07 05:00:13 <figaroo> How do I create that multi-column view like in the one where you view all your apps on the palm?
Apr 07 05:07:38 <__phil__> anybody here in palm dev relations?
Apr 07 05:08:01 <__phil__> there are no start/end times for the palm dev days on the 23rd & 24th
Apr 07 06:01:17 <figaroo> Hi, I need some help
Apr 07 06:01:29 <figaroo> Is anyone not AFK?
Apr 07 06:04:09 <figaroo> How do I go into code editor view with main-chrome.js?
Apr 07 06:12:38 <halfhalo_T400> WOW
Apr 07 06:12:43 <halfhalo_T400> Just got some hatemail
Apr 07 06:16:49 <willwill> hi. any app catalog staff here? I need to move my rejected submission to the web distribution
Apr 07 07:19:59 <noaXess> good morning..
Apr 07 07:37:03 <ron_frown> ladies
Apr 07 08:00:08 <ron_frown> I think latest webos sdk is buggy
Apr 07 08:08:31 <rwhitby> ron_frown: just the latest?
Apr 07 08:09:04 <ron_frown> HAHAHAH
Apr 07 08:09:12 <ron_frown> that and documentation is fucking buggy
Apr 07 08:09:15 <ron_frown> er shitty
Apr 07 08:09:25 <ron_frown> event.currentEvent
Apr 07 08:09:31 <ron_frown> instead of .originalEvent
Apr 07 08:12:21 <Woody4u> i have a small problem, i have a progress pill i update the model with setWidgetModel - no problem
Apr 07 08:12:25 <Woody4u> but when i tab on a button tu push to a new scene and then come back to the old scene the title righttitle of the progress pill is gone
Apr 07 08:12:59 <Woody4u> i develop with ares
Apr 07 08:14:07 <Woody4u> is there a method that is called when i go back to an "old" scene?
Apr 07 08:14:15 <ron_frown> if I create a pseudo global instance of something on stageassistant
Apr 07 08:14:26 <ron_frown> should i be able to do this.controller.stageassistant.DoSomething()?
Apr 07 08:19:07 <Woody4u> ron_frown, try this.controller.stageController.assistant.DoSomething()
Apr 07 08:19:22 <ron_frown> should that work
Apr 07 08:19:23 <ron_frown> ?
Apr 07 08:19:35 <Woody4u> i think this is the right access method
Apr 07 08:19:38 <ron_frown> I guess I just want to know if theres a reason I shouldnt be able to do that conceptually
Apr 07 09:05:52 <figaroo> How do I make that horizontal view with the counters to the bottom left and right?
Apr 07 09:07:02 <figaroo> you know like the one that's on the apps home app
Apr 07 09:07:12 <figaroo> well idk if it's an app
Apr 07 09:07:53 <figaroo> But it's on the pre, there are little bars to the bottom left and right of the screen
Apr 07 09:08:26 <figaroo> and when you swipe horizontally across the screen the bars move from one side to the other.
Apr 07 09:09:34 <figaroo> Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Apr 07 09:11:41 <ron_frown> yes
Apr 07 09:11:51 <ron_frown> and I dont know
Apr 07 09:14:50 <figaroo> yes you don't know what I'm talking about?
Apr 07 09:14:55 <figaroo> Or you don't?
Apr 07 09:14:58 <figaroo> I'm confused.
Apr 07 09:16:38 <dthought> i think he knows what you mean, but doesn't know how to do it
Apr 07 09:17:47 <dthought> i'd experiment with an div layer positioned at the bottom (however), and put "<span>" elements into it... then you could put those spans to the left or right (position or perhaps float)
Apr 07 09:40:42 <figaroo> K. Thanks for the reply, dthought
Apr 07 09:41:00 <figaroo> I'm experimenting with Ares.
Apr 07 09:41:29 <figaroo> I'm finding it buggy. I heard there was a second beta. How do I get permission to access the second beta?
Apr 07 09:48:36 <figaroo> Can I build an app completely out of HTML, CSS, and Javascript without using Ares' interface elements?
Apr 07 09:52:47 <willwill> how could i know that my dashboard have been tapped?
Apr 07 09:57:47 <willwill> nvm, got it
Apr 07 10:00:48 <dthought> nice nick, sockenfresser ;-)
Apr 07 10:02:01 <figaroo> Is there X-domain HTTP request support in WebOS?
Apr 07 10:03:57 <dthought> figaroo: yes, you can build an app without ares...
Apr 07 10:04:18 <figaroo> ok, thanks for that reply.
Apr 07 10:04:24 <zomg> figaroo: yes, since there is really no "originating" domain =)
Apr 07 10:04:58 <figaroo> So jquery's XHR are automatically cross domain?
Apr 07 10:05:17 <zomg> XMLHttpRequest can open requests to any domain
Apr 07 10:05:18 <dthought> figaroo: what is the domain you would cross?
Apr 07 10:05:44 <figaroo> I'm not sure, I guess I was assuming that WebOS was under the same restrictions.
Apr 07 10:06:10 <zomg> figaroo: app/widget type solutions all allow xhr requests
Apr 07 10:06:24 <zomg> opera widgets, opera widgets on mobile devices, nokia web runtime widgets, etc.
Apr 07 10:06:31 <figaroo> What do you mean by app/widget?
Apr 07 10:06:48 <zomg> stand-alone js apps that run on some sort of a runtime
Apr 07 10:06:54 <zomg> eg. webos or opera widget runtime
Apr 07 10:08:00 <figaroo> oh
Apr 07 10:11:02 <figaroo> Ares' browser preview has XSS restrictions, right?
Apr 07 10:15:00 <zomg> figaroo: most likely yeah
Apr 07 10:15:30 <figaroo> So I couldn't test out my app fully with Ares. I would need to use the emulator.
Apr 07 10:15:58 <figaroo> However, my computer is very old and running the emulator uses a lot of my computers memory.
Apr 07 10:16:21 <zomg> I recall there's a way to make Firefox allow cross-domain requests
Apr 07 10:16:26 <figaroo> Is it possible to build an app using Ares alone?
Apr 07 10:16:35 <zomg> and they also worked in a certain version of Safari 4 unless I'm mistaken
Apr 07 10:16:45 <figaroo> Really
Apr 07 10:16:50 <zomg> as long as you opened the file directly from your hard disk and not via a web server
Apr 07 10:16:53 <zomg> yeah
Apr 07 10:16:58 <figaroo> hmm
Apr 07 10:17:11 <figaroo> Well Ares is on a server, so I don't see how that would help.
Apr 07 10:17:38 <zomg> Well as long as you don't use any Pre-specific APIs you should be able to run the app in a "normal" browser
Apr 07 10:17:51 <zomg> s/Pre/webos
Apr 07 10:22:58 <figaroo> k
Apr 07 10:23:15 <figaroo> I think I'm going to go with a jsonp approach anyway
Apr 07 10:24:01 <figaroo> Writting out the correct html for a WebOS widget doesn't really do the trick I'm guessing.
Apr 07 10:24:28 <figaroo> I wrote <div x-mojo-element="button" label="Hello World"/> and no button.
Apr 07 10:25:00 <figaroo> is there something else I need to do?
Apr 07 10:28:41 <zomg> That's the only thing in the html file?
Apr 07 10:29:24 <figaroo> Not exactly. But if you're asking if I included anything, the answer is no, other than jQuery.
Apr 07 10:29:34 <figaroo> I mean the answer is yes.
Apr 07 10:29:40 <figaroo> >.<
Apr 07 10:30:54 <figaroo> Is there some resource I need to include?
Apr 07 10:38:33 <dthought> figaroo: look at the developer guide on the palm website, they set up an minimal hello-world scene
Apr 07 11:55:36 <l_a_m> hi
Apr 07 11:55:47 <l_a_m> i ve got a problem with ajax.request
Apr 07 11:55:57 <l_a_m> i do an ajaxÂ.request
Apr 07 11:56:04 <l_a_m> to update an array
Apr 07 11:56:13 <l_a_m> and after that, i call another function with this array
Apr 07 11:56:47 <l_a_m> but i enter the call of the second method before updating the array :(
Apr 07 11:57:10 <l_a_m> how can i do to enter the second method only when the ajax request if finished ?
Apr 07 11:57:43 <dthought> l_a_m: you put the second method at the end of the callback that gets called by the ajax request
Apr 07 11:58:50 <dthought> you got some function that evaluates the response of the request, and puts it into your array, right?
Apr 07 12:25:53 <willwill> any app catalog staff here? I need to move my rejected submission to the web distribution
Apr 07 13:10:32 <l_a_m> where is luna-send command ?
Apr 07 13:11:48 <dthought> l_a_m: on the pre
Apr 07 13:12:56 <l_a_m> i dthought i would like to send a GPS command
Apr 07 13:13:08 <l_a_m> dthought: but i can't find the command
Apr 07 13:15:16 <dthought> l_a_m: logon using novaterm; then simply type "luna-send" at the prompt
Apr 07 13:20:29 <l_a_m> dthought: thanks !
Apr 07 13:28:07 <Bmyers> morn'n haeffb
Apr 07 13:28:17 <haeffb> Bmyers
Apr 07 13:28:50 <haeffb> what would prevent a database from being created?
Apr 07 13:29:28 <Bmyers> sun spots?
Apr 07 13:29:41 <haeffb> maybe
Apr 07 13:30:14 <Bmyers> u got more users with problems?
Apr 07 13:32:27 <Bmyers> haeffb: check out the new version of grreader? I have rule rating on there now. stars and stuff
Apr 07 13:34:09 <warpdesign> hi
Apr 07 13:34:36 <haeffb> got one that can't even find a database on his device.
Apr 07 13:34:47 <haeffb> stars are cool.
Apr 07 13:35:28 <Bmyers> deleting the app doesnt do the trick?
Apr 07 13:35:39 <warpdesign> is there a way to have a simple dialog box not taking the whole screen with default Mojo methods ?
Apr 07 13:36:00 <haeffb> Mojo.Controller.showAlertDialog()
Apr 07 13:36:06 <haeffb> nope
Apr 07 13:36:09 <haeffb> or so he says.
Apr 07 13:36:23 <Bmyers> might he be looking in the wrong place for the db?
Apr 07 13:36:34 <haeffb> I gave him directions.
Apr 07 13:37:05 <haeffb> might be a crash somewhere in the handleLaunch...
Apr 07 13:37:10 <warpdesign> haeffb: thanks
Apr 07 13:37:16 <haeffb> then it never gets to the db init
Apr 07 13:37:32 <haeffb> but there's no way to get debug info from him.
Apr 07 13:37:40 <haeffb> unless he installs SDK tools.
Apr 07 13:38:06 <Bmyers> u need to have a debug version of ur app
Apr 07 13:38:16 <Bmyers> gather up debug info in a var
Apr 07 13:38:21 <Bmyers> and mail it to yourself
Apr 07 13:39:11 <haeffb> well...if the app wasn't crashing....that might work.
Apr 07 13:39:26 <willwill> any app catalog staff here? I need to move my rejected submission to the web distribution
Apr 07 13:39:31 <Bmyers> with debug info, you're just guessing and will never fix it if u cant reproduce the error
Apr 07 13:39:42 <haeffb> yeah, I know.
Apr 07 13:40:19 <haeffb> what I need is for sugardave to write something that will send debug info to his server!
Apr 07 13:40:37 <Bmyers> good one. he'll like that idea
Apr 07 13:40:37 <haeffb> now that would be sweet.
Apr 07 13:40:54 <Bmyers> he's prolly at breakfast/nap now
Apr 07 13:41:05 <haeffb> you can easily tell the user: I'm sending you a debug version that will phone home with all your info.
Apr 07 13:41:06 <Bmyers> catch him b4 naplunch and ask him for that
Apr 07 13:41:20 <haeffb> I need a f'in nap
Apr 07 13:41:43 <haeffb> about three hours south from home, and I'm in a completely different allergy zone.
Apr 07 13:42:03 <haeffb> couldn't sleep last night, my head is stuffed.
Apr 07 13:42:53 <warpdesign> haeffb: problem is it takes the whole width of the application
Apr 07 13:42:58 <warpdesign> in landscape mode it is ugly
Apr 07 13:43:03 <warpdesign> is there a way to tweak that ?
Apr 07 13:45:04 <Bmyers> use %'s
Apr 07 13:45:05 <haeffb> you can probably modify the dialog CSS
Apr 07 13:46:58 <warpdesign> so this means the only way is to override default css stuff ?
Apr 07 13:48:28 <haeffb> afaik
Apr 07 13:48:40 <warpdesign> :/
Apr 07 13:50:55 <BigBiff> hola
Apr 07 13:55:02 <warpdesign> sigh..
Apr 07 13:55:25 <warpdesign> how do I override CSS when some positions are added inline...
Apr 07 13:55:33 <warpdesign> :(
Apr 07 13:56:12 <VincentLaw> with more inline, or pulling it out of inline
Apr 07 13:56:19 <VincentLaw> you can't override inline with anything except more inline
Apr 07 13:57:03 <warpdesign> I don't wanna use JS to syle a moda box..
Apr 07 13:57:16 <warpdesign> or I could use !important, but it's ugly
Apr 07 13:57:16 <Bmyers> if you're gonna tie a knot tie alot! works for CSS too :)
Apr 07 13:57:29 <warpdesign> so there's no way to adjust the modal size..
Apr 07 13:57:32 <warpdesign> great :/
Apr 07 13:59:02 <haeffb> I guess you could write your own dialog function.
Apr 07 13:59:36 <BigBiff> adding a scroller for a nested list - do i have to state the list dimensions? or will it default
Apr 07 14:01:20 <warpdesign> of course I could.. but if I have to rewrite everything I am not done! lol
Apr 07 14:01:24 <Bmyers> good hosting company that doesnt suck?
Apr 07 14:01:36 <warpdesign> plus this needs to be consistent with the gui styles used right now
Apr 07 14:01:44 <Bmyers> godaddy is spending too much on commercials and not enough on system maint..
Apr 07 14:02:38 <haeffb> I've been using justhost.com, but I can't say that they don't suck.
Apr 07 14:03:00 <Bmyers> ever heard of fatcow?
Apr 07 14:04:03 <VincentLaw> https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/  <-- best I've seen, unless you want hosting from me :p
Apr 07 14:10:57 <Bmyers> godaddy answer to their broken shared hosting service was to buy more services from them
Apr 07 14:11:08 <Bmyers> funny..
Apr 07 14:11:42 <Bmyers> i wish i could do that in my business..
Apr 07 14:12:09 <VincentLaw> how much space/bandwidth you need anyway?
Apr 07 14:12:24 <VincentLaw> godaddy is pretty much a ripoff in terms of hosting anyway
Apr 07 14:12:29 <VincentLaw> extremely expensive for what theyo ffer
Apr 07 14:12:31 <VincentLaw> *offer
Apr 07 14:17:33 <Bmyers> $7 a month for shared hosting from godaddy
Apr 07 14:17:55 <Bmyers> not sure how much i'll need. i am trying to launch a mobile app that is cloud based
Apr 07 14:18:17 <Bmyers> but it the clouds are raining on my parade, i cant very well launch a cloud based mobile app
Apr 07 14:18:31 <Bmyers> i plan to roll it out to webos, android and iphone
Apr 07 14:19:27 <VincentLaw> well, besides the site I linked above, my services you can check out here: http://sorrowind.net/?go=services
Apr 07 14:19:29 <Bmyers> i used to run everything myself. LAMP. but i figured in the day and age one didnt have to do that anymore
Apr 07 14:21:17 <VincentLaw> yeah
Apr 07 14:21:26 <VincentLaw> what is godaddy giving you troubles with?
Apr 07 14:21:40 <Bmyers> mysql server goes down on a daily basis.
Apr 07 14:22:17 <Bmyers> i advised them that rebooting the server is not a remediation path acceptable to correct the problem.
Apr 07 14:22:28 <VincentLaw> hah
Apr 07 14:22:43 <Bmyers> its actually pretty f'n lame..
Apr 07 14:22:59 <Bmyers> so their answer was
Apr 07 14:23:04 <VincentLaw> I consider it a problem when apache randomly seppuku's once a year for me >.>
Apr 07 14:23:10 <VincentLaw> which apache seemingly loves to do
Apr 07 14:23:20 <Bmyers> "well if shared hosting breaks every day, maybe you should buy dedicated hosting from us"
Apr 07 14:23:43 <Bmyers> yeah, if they service i'm buying from u now doesnt work, i should buy more from u..
Apr 07 14:24:07 <VincentLaw> yeah
Apr 07 14:24:12 <VincentLaw> I only use godaddy for domain names, nothing else
Apr 07 14:24:37 <Bmyers> i use them for my consulting customers too. and it worries me..
Apr 07 14:24:47 <Bmyers> every heard of fatcow?
Apr 07 14:24:53 <VincentLaw> no
Apr 07 14:26:08 <VincentLaw> heh, just bothered to check, mysql on my server has been up for 29 days, last downtime was due to a mysql update.
Apr 07 14:54:27 <zsoc_wirc> Has anyone looks at the pdl functionality for passing json back and forth from plugin<->js?
Apr 07 14:54:36 <zsoc_wirc> it's certainly interesting
Apr 07 14:59:58 <BigBiff> woohoo got scrollers going - actually pretty easy
Apr 07 15:01:38 <BigBiff> next - looking for info on remembering where the user was looking at a list when the item was chosen (then the drawer closes)
Apr 07 15:01:46 <BigBiff> dont know what to search for
Apr 07 15:02:55 <BigBiff> snap to - place in list from before
Apr 07 15:03:05 <BigBiff> doesnt turn up much in google
Apr 07 15:03:10 <BigBiff> or palm dev
Apr 07 15:03:14 <JangKro> hey is there a windows live / msn messenger program for the palm pre yet ?
Apr 07 15:04:06 <Roy-Pre101> BigBiff: Document what you learned on webos101.com
Apr 07 15:05:04 <BigBiff> ok doke
Apr 07 15:06:30 <BigBiff> should i put it in the 'discussion' of the widget?
Apr 07 15:06:55 <BigBiff> (since there is no discussion)
Apr 07 15:10:35 <Roy-Pre101> no, just edit the page
Apr 07 15:10:44 <Roy-Pre101> Is there already a page for scroller?
Apr 07 15:11:30 <Roy-Pre101> ugh, I avoid godaddy like the plague.  They are a pox on the internet, I think.
Apr 07 15:12:22 <__phil__> hi all -- would there be anybody from PDC here?  There's no information on the dev day as to when during the days it will be beginning and ending
Apr 07 15:13:02 <VincentLaw> there isn't?
Apr 07 15:13:23 <VincentLaw> https://secure1.regsvc.com/registration/index.aspx?TYPE=E&ID=2&LC=&PIN=&REF=&dbGUID=9A3C79FD-7BAA-4866-BFBD-E1385AA7935C& <-- 23-24th looks like it to me...
Apr 07 15:13:35 <__phil__> the days are listed but not the hours
Apr 07 15:14:01 <__phil__> the agenda shows "coming soon"
Apr 07 15:14:05 <Bmyers> Roy-Pre101: do u use a hosting company ?
Apr 07 15:14:28 <__phil__> I emailed pdc@palm yesterday but no word yet and I have to buy flights
Apr 07 15:15:44 <VincentLaw> Bmyers: he uses IP over Avian Carriers
Apr 07 15:15:44 <VincentLaw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
Apr 07 15:16:02 <Roy-Pre101> Bmyers: I'm using dreamhost
Apr 07 15:16:50 <Roy-Pre101> But there are lots.  Check out slashdot for godaddy horror stories.
Apr 07 15:17:01 <VincentLaw> dreamhost has more horror stories IMO
Apr 07 15:17:12 <VincentLaw> including the infamous billing fiasco
Apr 07 15:17:32 <Roy-Pre101> Could be.  But I don't use them as a registrar.
Apr 07 15:18:13 <Roy-Pre101> I've heard of a few other ones.  bluehost?
Apr 07 15:18:28 <willwill> ip over avian is outdated
Apr 07 15:18:34 <willwill> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5514 ipv6 over facebook
Apr 07 15:20:15 <JangKro> Does anyone know if there is (or will soon be) a windows live messenger client for the palm pre ?
Apr 07 15:21:10 <VincentLaw> there's a hack for the underlying pidgin service to enable MSN messenger usage
Apr 07 15:21:18 <VincentLaw> s/hack/patch/
Apr 07 15:22:10 <VincentLaw> as for actual palm-supported MSN, nothing mentioned thus far
Apr 07 15:23:26 <JangKro> okay
Apr 07 15:23:42 <JangKro> but i thought pidgin supports msn by default? didn't even know there was a pidgin client for the palm
Apr 07 15:23:49 <BigBiff> bah, thought i had it
Apr 07 15:24:26 <__phil__> JangKro: how about IM+?
Apr 07 15:24:28 <BigBiff> i need a 'remember previous scroll state' - what should i look for in the docs?
Apr 07 15:24:49 <JangKro> __phil__ I guess any client that works reliably would be nice because using the web interface from the palm sucks
Apr 07 15:24:56 <VincentLaw> JangKro: the Messenger app uses Pidgin's "libpurple" system. it's an open library
Apr 07 15:25:05 <__phil__> ciao all.  hopefully I'll get an answer soon
Apr 07 15:25:15 <VincentLaw> but Palm for whatever reason did not use its MSN support (possibly buggy, unfeatured, etc)
Apr 07 15:25:38 <JangKro> VincentLaw, interesting ... i didn't know this ... i know it supports googletalk/aim by default ... i thought msn was amongst those in popularity
Apr 07 15:25:42 <JangKro> or exceeding them
Apr 07 15:25:56 <VincentLaw> it also does yahoo
Apr 07 15:26:11 <VincentLaw> there could be any number of reasons for lack of MSN support
Apr 07 15:26:21 <JangKro> like ... ?
Apr 07 15:26:30 <JangKro> well you said perhaps libpurple's msn implementation is lacking
Apr 07 15:26:54 <VincentLaw> bugs, Microsoft licensing/trademark/copyright issues, networking issues, etc
Apr 07 15:27:52 <VincentLaw> or things I don't even know
Apr 07 15:27:58 <VincentLaw> I don't work for Palm :p
Apr 07 15:28:26 <JangKro> what about aMSN ... i believe that's open source too and a pretty awesome msn messenger clone
Apr 07 15:28:39 <JangKro> VincentLaw, fine but at least some preware client then perhaps ?
Apr 07 15:28:52 <VincentLaw> no one's written one :p
Apr 07 15:29:19 <VincentLaw> like I said, there's a patch that will enable the built-in libpurple's MSN, and also patches contacts/Messenger so that it works well enough, but its not bug free
Apr 07 15:30:13 <JangKro> okay, thanks
Apr 07 15:30:15 <VincentLaw> its not as simple as just copy/pasting some code from another MSN messenger :p
Apr 07 15:30:25 <JangKro> maybe i will look into that ... how can i get this patch?
Apr 07 15:30:41 <VincentLaw> I don't know if its in preware, but I saw it on P|C
Apr 07 15:30:47 <JangKro> ok
Apr 07 15:31:05 <JangKro> thanks then ... though i'm wondering if i should just wait longer for an official msn release
Apr 07 15:31:38 <VincentLaw> I think that's what most people are waiting for
Apr 07 15:31:47 <VincentLaw> since most people just want to use everything in one app
Apr 07 15:31:51 <VincentLaw> synergy and all that
Apr 07 15:32:22 <JangKro> haha
Apr 07 15:33:00 <VincentLaw> as for myself, I route my MSN through GTalk
Apr 07 15:33:01 <VincentLaw> so
Apr 07 15:33:13 <VincentLaw> allows me to login multiple places at the same time, and use it on the pre
Apr 07 15:33:25 <JangKro> yep, when i was searching some forums that was an option indeed
Apr 07 15:33:29 <JangKro> but you need a google/gmail account right ?
Apr 07 15:33:34 <Roy-Pre101> brb
Apr 07 15:33:43 <VincentLaw> yeah, you do. you don't have one? :p
Apr 07 15:34:24 <JangKro> lol
Apr 07 15:35:03 <JangKro> well I got the Palm for my girlfriend really ... I have a nokia 5800 that runs an official windows live messenger (supports everything except webcam) ;-)
Apr 07 15:46:54 <JenP> hi all
Apr 07 15:47:42 <sugardave> morning
Apr 07 15:48:12 <JenP> good mornging sugardave
Apr 07 15:54:45 <Rick_work> hi JenP
Apr 07 15:54:57 <JenP> good morning Rick_work
Apr 07 15:56:29 <Roy-Pre101> hello
Apr 07 15:56:36 <JenP> i have concluded the formula for that minimum payment has taken at least 2 years off of my life....all the frustration and all. what a PITA
Apr 07 15:56:39 <JenP> hi Roy
Apr 07 16:00:36 <Rick_work> is it working now?
Apr 07 16:01:07 <JenP> no. gave up and went with the min pay being a set amount
Apr 07 16:01:24 <Rick_work> ok, send me the current version and I'll fix it.
Apr 07 16:01:57 <Rick_work> you're out of pocket for the next three days anyway.
Apr 07 16:33:40 <willwill> does i need to create new scene for imageview or it just fill the screen like filepicker?
Apr 07 17:02:51 <Rick_work> imageview is a scene like filepicker is.
Apr 07 17:26:42 <halfhalo_T400> time to make those BOFH JSON files
Apr 07 19:02:22 <pandora--> yay RIM palm takeover rumors!
Apr 07 19:04:51 <pandora--> again
Apr 07 19:08:48 <Bmyers> i thought it was laveeno
Apr 07 19:09:00 <figaroo> So was the multi-column view custom made for the launcher?
Apr 07 19:10:31 <figaroo> You know those | (bars) to the left and right bottom part of the app launcher.
Apr 07 19:12:25 <pandora--> Bmyers: yeh them too
Apr 07 19:13:35 <sugardave> pssst, it's me
Apr 07 19:15:51 <Bmyers> hime
Apr 07 19:17:44 <sugardave> I'm buying Palm
Apr 07 19:17:56 <pandora--> I wish I bought some palm last week
Apr 07 19:17:57 <pandora--> damn.
Apr 07 19:18:06 <sugardave> I've taken a shelling on Palm
Apr 07 19:18:09 <sugardave> down 67%
Apr 07 19:18:14 <sugardave> oh well
Apr 07 19:18:20 <pandora--> sugardave: bummer :( yeah they tanked HARD
Apr 07 19:18:29 <pandora--> could have bought yesterday for $3 and change
Apr 07 19:18:30 <pandora--> hehe
Apr 07 19:19:46 <sugardave> wonder what it was on Tuesday....my DRIP fires on the 1st tues every month
Apr 07 19:23:04 <sugardave> < $4...that means I got another 1.25 PALM
Apr 07 19:23:09 <sugardave> I'm a cheap bastard
Apr 07 19:28:34 <haeffb_pre> sugardave!
Apr 07 19:29:05 <sugardave> haeffb_pre!
Apr 07 19:29:50 <haeffb_pre> did you see my idea from this am ?
Apr 07 19:30:07 <sugardave> umm....
Apr 07 19:30:11 <sugardave> refresh me
Apr 07 19:31:43 <haeffb_pre> you need to add a debug ability to your server.
Apr 07 19:32:00 <haeffb_pre> so my app can send debugging info home
Apr 07 19:32:32 <sugardave> ah ha
Apr 07 19:32:34 <sugardave> very nice
Apr 07 19:32:58 <haeffb_pre> Sugardave.debug('a string', aString);
Apr 07 19:33:17 <haeffb_pre> VERY useful
Apr 07 19:33:24 <sugardave> that is doable, no problem
Apr 07 19:33:29 <sugardave> great idea, thanks!
Apr 07 19:33:49 <haeffb_pre> I get half the profits... :)
Apr 07 19:34:26 <figaroo> Why hasn't there been much development on Ares sense it's launch?
Apr 07 19:34:31 <figaroo> since*
Apr 07 19:35:09 <haeffb_pre> I have a user with app failing in AppAssist.setup & no way to get debug info...
Apr 07 19:35:57 <sugardave> as long as we can get the API to load before the assistant, it will probably work
Apr 07 19:36:27 <sugardave> the problem is going to be to come up with some way to toggle the debug mode on the phone
Apr 07 19:36:35 <haeffb_pre> you could even make it a wrapper for Mojo.Log
Apr 07 19:36:56 <haeffb_pre> add an app menu item to a Prefs scene
Apr 07 19:37:08 <sugardave> turns out, that's how my personal debug messages work
Apr 07 19:37:08 <haeffb_pre> doh, that won't work!
Apr 07 19:37:35 <sugardave> nah, it's going to have to be the case that the phone gets a directive from the cloud to turn debug on
Apr 07 19:37:52 <sugardave> and THEN the ptoblem is a privacy one
Apr 07 19:37:55 <haeffb_pre> I could send this guy a debug version of the app
Apr 07 19:38:09 <sugardave> currently, the system is designed to not be able to tie a phone to a person
Apr 07 19:38:16 <sugardave> yeah, debug version will work
Apr 07 19:39:30 <haeffb_pre> or a sugardave debug app that the user could turn it on/off on the phone, then my app calls your app
Apr 07 19:39:57 <sugardave> maybe later....it already takes too long to make this other stuff work :D
Apr 07 19:40:13 <haeffb_pre> noooooo!
Apr 07 19:40:22 <haeffb_pre> I need it today!
Apr 07 19:40:26 <sugardave> haha
Apr 07 19:40:38 <sugardave> I can maybe get you some debug stuff by tonight, actually
Apr 07 19:40:50 <haeffb_pre> I was going to start calling you superdave....
Apr 07 19:40:51 <sugardave> but not the app
Apr 07 19:41:22 <sugardave> first thing is you need to see if the regular API will work with your app
Apr 07 19:41:31 <sugardave> because I've only done a single stage app with it
Apr 07 19:41:42 <haeffb_pre> your phone home stuff?
Apr 07 19:41:49 <sugardave> yes
Apr 07 19:41:57 <sugardave> it should work
Apr 07 19:42:01 <sugardave> just haven't tested it
Apr 07 19:42:11 <sugardave> it will need to go before the app controller constructor
Apr 07 19:42:11 <haeffb_pre> ok, will look this evening
Apr 07 19:42:46 <sugardave> cool
Apr 07 20:15:51 <Bmyers> i get 1/2 the profits from that too haeffb_pre. i concepualized it.
Apr 07 20:16:32 <haeffb_pre> fine by me.
Apr 07 20:17:38 <Bmyers> turning on debuging from the cloud is a cool idea tho. you'll need to connect ppl to nduid's somehow..
Apr 07 20:18:04 <sugardave> what sucks for you guys, is that: a> there are no profits and b> that would be my loss leader, part of the the free system :P
Apr 07 20:18:55 <Bmyers> you're a pro sugardave
Apr 07 20:19:00 <Bmyers> pro-bono
Apr 07 20:19:10 <sugardave> erg, I don't want to connect people to nduids
Apr 07 20:19:13 <sugardave> Germany would hate me
Apr 07 20:19:32 <Bmyers> i'll settle for some palm stock once u buy them sugardave
Apr 07 20:19:38 <sugardave> deal
Apr 07 20:20:26 <Bmyers> how can u turn on debugging from the cloud if you dont know who to turn it on for?
Apr 07 20:21:03 <sugardave> it is a problem
Apr 07 20:21:37 <sugardave> if enough of the system is functioning, a dev could set a key on the app and the user could input that key in the app
Apr 07 20:22:08 <sugardave> then it knows to send debug AND the dev would know which messages were which
Apr 07 20:22:15 <Bmyers> r u going to Germany sometime soon? Who cares if the hate you?
Apr 07 20:22:38 <Bmyers> I'm sure you'd prefer Amsterdam instead..
Apr 07 20:22:58 <sugardave> indeed...two of the guys I taught in London were from Holland
Apr 07 20:23:11 <Bmyers> great country..
Apr 07 20:23:11 <sugardave> I was like, man we should have done the training at your site!
Apr 07 20:54:52 <kmudrick> anyone know what extractfsParams, lowResExtractFSParams, panInset params in the ImageView widget do? The documentation them is nonexistent
Apr 07 20:58:11 <Woody4u> hi - i have a short question
Apr 07 20:58:31 <Woody4u> i try to change the icon and die subtitle of an page header
Apr 07 20:58:37 <Woody4u> but dont know how
Apr 07 20:58:48 <Woody4u> i cant find any docs about this
Apr 07 21:00:07 <Rick_work> you're using a page header widget?
Apr 07 21:00:11 <Rick_work> Woody4u ?
Apr 07 21:00:19 <Woody4u> yes
Apr 07 21:01:20 <Rick_work> in ares or in "regular mojo" ?
Apr 07 21:01:51 <Woody4u> in ares
Apr 07 21:02:17 <figaroo> In Ares, how do I include Mojo?
Apr 07 21:02:36 <figaroo> It says in the doc that the URL is "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js"
Apr 07 21:02:51 <figaroo> but I get a 404 with that
Apr 07 21:03:24 <Rick_work> figaroo  you already have mojo when you're in ares.
Apr 07 21:03:47 <Rick_work> Woody4u  what's the header's name?
Apr 07 21:04:24 <twbbas> Is there a way to export from ares to the sdk?
Apr 07 21:04:36 <Woody4u> readHeader
Apr 07 21:04:46 <Rick_work> twbbas  yes
Apr 07 21:04:51 <twbbas> How can I do that?
Apr 07 21:05:30 <Rick_work> Woody4u  you would do this.$.readHeader.setTitle("New Value");
Apr 07 21:05:49 <Woody4u> i want to set the SUBtitle
Apr 07 21:05:53 <Rick_work> in general you can do  this.$.[name].set[Property](value);
Apr 07 21:06:03 <Woody4u> Subtitle?
Apr 07 21:06:08 <Rick_work> an example would be this.$.myButton.setLabel("New Button Label");
Apr 07 21:06:10 <Woody4u> .setSubtitle?
Apr 07 21:06:13 <Rick_work> nodnod
Apr 07 21:06:34 <Woody4u> ahhh thx Rick
Apr 07 21:07:23 <twbbas> Rick_work: How can I export from ares to sdk?
Apr 07 21:08:01 <Woody4u> twbbas, mark the app folder
Apr 07 21:08:03 <Rick_work> twbbas  in the files view, select the applications name, then click the third icon just above the word applications.
Apr 07 21:08:07 <Woody4u> and then click download
Apr 07 21:08:10 <Rick_work> this downloads the selected app as a zip
Apr 07 21:08:32 <twbbas> But isn't the way ares codes it different than the way you'd normally make the app?
Apr 07 21:08:44 <Rick_work> yes, it is.  That isn't what you asked.
Apr 07 21:08:59 <Rick_work> but there's no reason you can't code using the ares libraries by hand....
Apr 07 21:09:18 <twbbas> Hmm, I'll stick with trying to learn the sdk way because I think it'll be more beneficial in the long-run
Apr 07 21:09:30 <Rick_work> or vice versa, you can upload a "regular" app into ares so that you can use the on-line debugger.  You just don't get the benefit of drag and drop.
Apr 07 21:09:47 <Rick_work> twbbas  I hate to disagree, but I'm going to.  The development effort is going into the Ares side.
Apr 07 21:10:32 <twbbas> Well I made the layout of an app in ares but all the tutorials I read are meant if you are hard-coding the app
Apr 07 21:10:35 <Rick_work> The ares interface is already richer than the mojo side, with horizontal and vertical stacking panels &c.
Apr 07 21:10:53 <Rick_work> twbbas  yes, there's no good ares book yet.
Apr 07 21:10:55 <Rick_work> I'm working on that.
Apr 07 21:11:08 <twbbas> I heard there's a 2nd beta for Ares, is that not open to the public yet?
Apr 07 21:11:12 <Rick_work> Would you like the preview of one chapter about how to use ares?
Apr 07 21:11:12 <JenP> Rick_work how different is it from developing in Ares compared to SDK? code wise....i get the cool GUI and all.....but...
Apr 07 21:11:19 <Rick_work> the 2nd beta is not yet open to the public
Apr 07 21:11:25 <twbbas> ok
Apr 07 21:11:28 <twbbas> thanks
Apr 07 21:11:30 <Rick_work> code wise it's a LOT simpler.
Apr 07 21:11:45 <Rick_work> as in I did an entire tip calculator in twelve lines of code.
Apr 07 21:11:51 <JenP> really? why's that
Apr 07 21:11:54 <Rick_work> well, not quite.  But LOTS simpler.
Apr 07 21:11:59 <Woody4u> but there are some problems - i cant write {, [, ] or } on my windows 7 system
Apr 07 21:12:13 <Rick_work> Woody4u  what browser are you using?
Apr 07 21:12:15 <JenP> but that's u.....uber programmer...for me...un-uber ?
Apr 07 21:12:17 <Woody4u> chrome
Apr 07 21:12:33 <Rick_work> that's odd, I can write those things on this here win 7 system with no problem.
Apr 07 21:12:48 <Rick_work> is your chrome current?
Apr 07 21:12:53 <Woody4u> i have a original english windows 7 with german langpack
Apr 07 21:13:03 <Rick_work> k.
Apr 07 21:14:13 <Woody4u> on my other pc with ubuntu and chrome this problem does not exists
Apr 07 21:14:36 <Rick_work> very wierd.  my plain old english win7, and chrome, no problemo
Apr 07 21:14:52 <Woody4u> i think the problem is english win7 + langpack
Apr 07 21:18:46 <Woody4u> on https://bespin.mozillalabs.com/ i have no problems with typing {[]}
Apr 07 21:19:16 <Rick_work> did you post in the ares forums with the problem?
Apr 07 21:19:30 <Woody4u> not yet
Apr 07 21:22:45 <twbbas> var word1 = this.controller.get("textField1"); Is that how I get the text inside of textField1?
Apr 07 21:23:14 <twbbas> It's not working :S
Apr 07 21:23:35 <Rick_work> no that just gets you the object
Apr 07 21:23:54 <twbbas> So how would I get the actual text?
Apr 07 21:24:18 <Rick_work> when you set up the object, did you give the model a name, or was the model anonymous?
Apr 07 21:24:38 <twbbas> I used ares
Apr 07 21:24:46 <twbbas> I don't think I gave the model a name, just the text boxes
Apr 07 21:24:46 <Rick_work> oh, that's different.
Apr 07 21:25:26 <Rick_work> in ares its this.$.textField1.model.value
Apr 07 21:25:46 <Rick_work> i think
Apr 07 21:25:50 <Rick_work> without going and looking it up
Apr 07 21:26:28 <Woody4u> ok bug posted in forum
Apr 07 21:27:07 <Rick_work> twbbas  might just be this.$.textField1.value
Apr 07 21:27:12 <Rick_work> can't remember.
Apr 07 21:28:15 <Woody4u> ah and there is another problem - i have a progress pill with text and righttext when i push to another scene and then go back the text and righttext is gone from the progresspill
Apr 07 21:28:15 <twbbas> Yea, the model one didn't work. Testing your second one.
Apr 07 21:29:21 <twbbas> Eh, still doesn't work. They all output "[object HTMLDivElement]"
Apr 07 21:31:21 <Woody4u> before: http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu18/woody4u/photos-temp-0jpg.jpg -  after: http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu18/woody4u/photos-temp-0jpg-1.jpg
Apr 07 21:31:24 <Rick_work> ok I'll look it up
Apr 07 21:31:31 <twbbas> Where do you look it up at?
Apr 07 21:33:06 <Rick_work> this.$.widgeName.fetchModelProperty("value")
Apr 07 21:33:13 <Rick_work> there is also setModelProperty.
Apr 07 21:33:25 <Rick_work> twbbas -- I'm writing a book on ares.  I have lots of notes.
Apr 07 21:33:39 <twbbas> When do you plan to finish?
Apr 07 21:33:45 <Rick_work> sept
Apr 07 21:33:59 <Woody4u> does someone know this problem?
Apr 07 21:34:00 <Rick_work> would you like to have the "quick reference" chapter?
Apr 07 21:34:08 <Rick_work> pm me an email.
Apr 07 21:34:15 <twbbas> Sure
Apr 07 21:36:08 <Rick_work> Woody4u  I don't see a problem...
Apr 07 21:36:14 <twbbas> It's still outputting "[object HTMLDivElement]"
Apr 07 21:36:16 <twbbas> var word1 = this.$.textField1.fetchModelProperty("value"); That's what I did
Apr 07 21:36:44 <Woody4u> Rick_work, is this "normal"?
Apr 07 21:36:57 <Rick_work> looks normal to me
Apr 07 21:37:28 <Woody4u> and i see a part of the text of the pill on the next line
Apr 07 21:37:35 <Woody4u> it looks broken to me
Apr 07 21:38:02 <Rick_work> you may need to edit the css for the text
Apr 07 21:39:30 <Rick_work> twbbas  see pm
Apr 07 21:40:58 <Rick_work> gotta go.  See you all later.
Apr 07 21:41:22 <Woody4u> must go too - little bit late
Apr 07 21:41:34 <Woody4u> good night to all
Apr 07 22:15:01 <warpdesign_> hi
Apr 07 22:15:25 <twbbas> hi
Apr 07 22:15:28 <warpdesign_> I need some basic help: if someone got some time
Apr 07 22:16:41 <twbbas> I'm not very good so I'm not the one to ask, sorry :
Apr 07 22:16:56 <Tibfib> ask, if someone knows they'll tell you the answer
Apr 07 22:18:29 <warpdesign_> well, I have created a scene, I am pushing this scene, so my scene-assistant's setup/activate is called
Apr 07 22:18:47 <warpdesign_> now: How do I remove since scene, and give the control by to the stage assistant ?
Apr 07 22:19:09 <warpdesign_> this scene, not since scene
Apr 07 22:19:49 <Tibfib> remove the scene you pushed?
Apr 07 22:19:54 <Tibfib> or remove the scene underneath?
Apr 07 22:19:55 <warpdesign_> yes
Apr 07 22:20:10 <warpdesign_> the one i pushed
Apr 07 22:20:11 <Tibfib> this.controller.popScene() i believe
Apr 07 22:20:20 <warpdesign_> what will happen then ?
Apr 07 22:20:35 <Tibfib> the same thing that happens when you do the back gesture?
Apr 07 22:20:37 <warpdesign_> deactivate will be called i believe
Apr 07 22:21:03 <Tibfib> I don't think I understand the question
Apr 07 22:21:20 <Tibfib> deactivate and cleanup will be called when you pop the scene
Apr 07 22:21:25 <warpdesign_> ok
Apr 07 22:21:33 <warpdesign_> and what will be executed then ?
Apr 07 22:21:43 <Tibfib> what do you mean?
Apr 07 22:21:46 <warpdesign_> I mean.. I'm in my stage's assistant setup method..
Apr 07 22:21:56 <warpdesign_> from here I call this.controller.pushScene('foo')
Apr 07 22:22:03 <Tibfib> okay
Apr 07 22:22:06 <sugardave> warpdesign_: if you pop the last scene, the app closes
Apr 07 22:22:10 <warpdesign_> then foo setup is called
Apr 07 22:22:10 <sugardave> I think
Apr 07 22:22:30 <warpdesign_> now, I want to go back to my stage and push another scene, etc.. do whatever i want..
Apr 07 22:22:33 <warpdesign_> how do i do that ?
Apr 07 22:22:44 <Tibfib> swapScene
Apr 07 22:22:47 <warpdesign_> I thought i should remove the scene since i won't need it..
Apr 07 22:23:00 <warpdesign_> so I can never get back to my stage assistant ?
Apr 07 22:23:02 <haeffb> hi Doc
Apr 07 22:23:06 <reality9110> hello
Apr 07 22:23:07 <sugardave> hi doc
Apr 07 22:23:12 <warpdesign_> I thought everything was managed from here..
Apr 07 22:23:12 <reality9110> hello dave
Apr 07 22:23:17 <Tibfib> warpdesign: not sure
Apr 07 22:23:18 <warpdesign_> push/pop scenes,..
Apr 07 22:23:21 <sugardave> warpdesign_: you shouldn't need to sit in the stage asst
Apr 07 22:23:23 <haeffb> swapScene will remove the top scene and replace it with a new scene.
Apr 07 22:23:40 <warpdesign_> but I need to have a main controller.. which will push/pop scenes..
Apr 07 22:23:41 <Tibfib> You can call pushScene functions within scene assistants
Apr 07 22:23:47 <reality9110> Are any Palm people around?
Apr 07 22:23:48 <warpdesign_> so it needs to get control again some time
Apr 07 22:23:56 <warpdesign_> yes, I know that..
Apr 07 22:23:56 <Tibfib> reality9110: chuqui just came in
Apr 07 22:24:09 <reality9110> good
Apr 07 22:24:15 <warpdesign_> but the stage assistant is controlling the app flow, and knows what to do.. the scene.. well, is just a scene :)
Apr 07 22:24:27 <reality9110> They keep rejecting the latest version of my app
Apr 07 22:24:29 <reality9110> Terrible
Apr 07 22:24:40 <warpdesign_> reality9110: what kind of app ?
Apr 07 22:24:45 <sugardave> but the scene is passing off the pushScene/swapScene to the stage or app controller
Apr 07 22:24:47 <reality9110> warpdesign: RadioTime
Apr 07 22:24:49 <haeffb> why?
Apr 07 22:25:09 <reality9110> To be honest, stupidity.
Apr 07 22:25:39 <haeffb> swapScene is your scene's way of telling the stageController that it's done and it wants the stageController to pop it and push a new scene. The stageController is still doing the actual work.
Apr 07 22:25:50 <sugardave> warpdesign_: but, you could try doing it directly....Mojo.Controller.getActiveStageController().someMethodInThere
Apr 07 22:26:03 <sugardave> I doubt it will do what you expect
Apr 07 22:26:04 <haeffb> dare I ask: yours or theirs? :)
Apr 07 22:26:13 <reality9110> Theirs.
Apr 07 22:27:08 <haeffb> sugardave: I have found that this works:  this.controller.stageController.assistant.xxxxx;
Apr 07 22:27:20 <sugardave> ah, nice
Apr 07 22:27:21 <haeffb> or this.controller.stageController.assistant.xxx(params);
Apr 07 22:27:22 <chuqui> ho all
Apr 07 22:27:29 <sugardave> ho!
Apr 07 22:27:33 <haeffb> sigh. chuqui.
Apr 07 22:27:41 <reality9110> chuqui: You get that PM?
Apr 07 22:27:51 <haeffb> developer not happy with chuqui.
Apr 07 22:28:04 <chuqui> what'd I do this time?
Apr 07 22:28:04 <sugardave> surely that's a first
Apr 07 22:28:13 <chuqui> or more likely, not do?
Apr 07 22:28:23 <warpdesign_> well, the thing is that if it's the scene that pushes (or swaps) the next scene, it means the scene knows what next.. for me a scene shouldn't know anything about what's next/before.
Apr 07 22:28:23 <haeffb> developer OK with chuqui. developer not happy with 0-star reviews due to app not downloading.
Apr 07 22:28:42 <reality9110> I've stopped looking at reviewws
Apr 07 22:28:43 <sugardave> warpdesign_: no, YOU know what's next based on the event happening
Apr 07 22:28:48 <reality9110> It's just not worth battling it
Apr 07 22:28:57 <warpdesign_> so I can add/remove scenes in my app without having to worry. I should just need to change the main controller (stage assistant)
Apr 07 22:29:05 <warpdesign_> that's how i thought it would work
Apr 07 22:29:09 <warpdesign_> but maybe i'm wrong ;)
Apr 07 22:29:13 <reality9110> After the 1.4.0 audio screw up with media.js...just not worth it anymore.
Apr 07 22:29:28 <haeffb> developer not happy with reviews that say "My app won't download. Please help me!"
Apr 07 22:29:53 <sugardave> warpdesign_: the only controllers you should worry about are the scene controllers...unless you are doing a multi-stage app
Apr 07 22:29:58 <Tibfib> chuqui: do you have any idea on the status of the mojo messaging service?
Apr 07 22:30:09 <sugardave> then there will be some stage controller mess, but you will be dealin with the app controller by then
Apr 07 22:31:43 <chuqui> haeffb hiding under a rock quivering?
Apr 07 22:31:56 <twbbas> Wow I have a weird problem going on with my pre. When I plug it in the computer it takes longer than normal then says "charging battery" as a banner on the bottom then disappears. It doesn't leave a notification to click to get to usb or media. WOSQI doesn't recognize it and Ares doesn't recognize it. Any ideas?
Apr 07 22:32:17 <Tibfib> twbbas: restart your pre?
Apr 07 22:32:18 <sugardave> it's counterfeit?
Apr 07 22:32:32 <chuqui> haeffb seriously, as far as I know, still not ready for open beta. have I put you on the list of  people who are interested in being testers?
Apr 07 22:32:33 <twbbas> I've done device restart and luna
Apr 07 22:32:41 <twbbas> I've uninstalled all the patches that affect charging
Apr 07 22:32:47 <chuqui> haeffb if you aren't (or aren't sure you are), email me, I'll get it to the product manager.
Apr 07 22:32:49 <twbbas> It just started doing this 5 minutes ago
Apr 07 22:32:50 <warpdesign_> sugardave: hmm.. I'm afraid i'm lost :)
Apr 07 22:32:53 <zsoc> twbbas: could be the usb controller on your computer
Apr 07 22:33:09 <zsoc> Tibfib: what is this mojo messaging service?
Apr 07 22:33:15 <sugardave> warpdesign_: okay, then my point stands...you only need to deal with scene controllers via push/swapScene :D
Apr 07 22:33:24 <twbbas> This just started happening though. Kinda weird
Apr 07 22:33:29 <sugardave> don't worry about the stage controller
Apr 07 22:33:42 <Tibfib> zsoc: a system to push data
Apr 07 22:33:46 <warpdesign_> sugardave, so my scene will push the next one ? and so on.. ?
Apr 07 22:33:50 <Tibfib> chuqui: was that to me?
Apr 07 22:33:56 <sugardave> chuqui: omg my new thing can use the mojo messaging...
Apr 07 22:34:00 <warpdesign_> then the stage assistant is only there to push the first one ?
Apr 07 22:34:01 <sugardave> warpdesign_: yep
Apr 07 22:34:14 <sugardave> wll, technically it pushes the scenes
Apr 07 22:34:17 <zsoc> Tibfib: push it where?
Apr 07 22:34:22 <Tibfib> zsoc: to apps
Apr 07 22:34:26 <zsoc> Tibfib: from where?
Apr 07 22:34:28 <Tibfib> so they don't have to pull data and waste battery life
Apr 07 22:34:33 <zsoc> OH
Apr 07 22:34:33 <zsoc> got it
Apr 07 22:34:35 <zsoc> interesting
Apr 07 22:34:35 <sugardave> all of them, but you call the push/swap from inside the scenes themselves
Apr 07 22:34:37 <warpdesign_> so what if I decide to add a new one ? let's say a splash screen, this means I need to change the previous/next scene's code as well ?
Apr 07 22:34:54 <Tibfib> zsoc: not completely sure how it works... I'm hoping to get into the beta
Apr 07 22:35:33 <Bmyers> sugardave new thing?
Apr 07 22:35:33 <sugardave> warpdesign_: yeah, you would change your stage controller to push the splash (if it's your new first scene) then the splash scene needs a call to push or swap for the next scene
Apr 07 22:35:51 <sugardave> and so one
Apr 07 22:35:53 <sugardave> on
Apr 07 22:36:09 <sugardave> Bmyers: the Drupal tracking module thingie whatsit
Apr 07 22:36:19 <sugardave> I could really use Mojo messaging in that
Apr 07 22:36:20 <Bmyers> i like the name
Apr 07 22:36:43 <Tibfib> I'm hoping to use the mojo messaging service for my chat app
Apr 07 22:36:45 <Bmyers> call it WidJet
Apr 07 22:37:29 <Bmyers> email in your nduid and such?
Apr 07 22:41:19 <warpdesign_> sugardave, alright
Apr 07 22:43:49 <twbbas> Ugh. I can't find anything online about this problem. Only thing I found is this thing: http://forums.palm.com/t5/Audio-Video-Photo/When-I-plug-USB-into-computer-option-of-Media-Sync-USB-Only-or/td-p/235213
Apr 07 22:44:02 <twbbas> I guess I'll try another restart
Apr 07 22:44:36 <sugardave> haeffb: ping
Apr 07 22:44:56 <warpdesign_> sugardave, popscene() will remove the frontmost (current active) scene, right ?
Apr 07 22:45:34 <sugardave> warpdesign_: yes, popScene will remove the scene on top of the stack, which should always be the visible one
Apr 07 22:45:51 <haeffb> sugardave pong
Apr 07 22:45:59 <dawm> warpdesign, if you just want to get rid of a splash screen compeltely (so its gone) use swapScene
Apr 07 22:46:09 <sugardave> haeffb: so, how are you envisioning the delivery of your theoretical debug messages?
Apr 07 22:46:11 <dawm> swapScene makes whatever scene your calling the only open scene
Apr 07 22:46:19 <dawm> aka the first
Apr 07 22:46:25 <warpdesign_> dawm, ok, I'll do that, thanks
Apr 07 22:46:41 <warpdesign_> damn it, 3 days left to release a simple game lol
Apr 07 22:46:45 <dawm> say i have my app open, and i open a preferences scene, then the help scene, thats 3 scenes open
Apr 07 22:46:58 <sugardave> swapScene will replace the scene on top of the stack....if you have more underneath, swapScene will not touch them
Apr 07 22:46:59 <dawm> if i did a swapScene from the help scene the new scene is active and the other 3 are gone
Apr 07 22:47:05 <sugardave> no way
Apr 07 22:47:08 <dawm> sugardave, you sure
Apr 07 22:47:10 <sugardave> that should not be like that
Apr 07 22:47:11 <halfhalo_T400> god, I'm still stuck on how to have both stale data and then update it with new data withought slowing down the phone and withough rendering issues
Apr 07 22:47:17 <dawm> i was playing with swap last night and it was nuking all the rest
Apr 07 22:47:23 <sugardave> well, it used to not be like that
Apr 07 22:47:36 <warpdesign_> what's the difference between the cleanup and destroy methods of a scene ?
Apr 07 22:47:44 <sugardave> dawm: I will have to go back and look at some of my stuff, then
Apr 07 22:47:54 <halfhalo_T400> This would be so much easier if my loops would wait for the depot to add/get stuff instead of just going on
Apr 07 22:48:04 <dawm> i could be mistaken tho, im pretty sure thats what was happening last night
Apr 07 22:48:10 <sugardave> warpdesign_: one is called every time the scene is 'minimized' and the other when it is 'destroyed'
Apr 07 22:48:22 <dawm> cause i was using swapScene to refresh my scene but it was nuking the ones underneath
Apr 07 22:48:28 <dawm> so i went with the modelChanged route
Apr 07 22:48:40 <sugardave> dawm: weird...I'll have to play with it
Apr 07 22:48:57 <haeffb> dawm: no, that's not how it (is supposed to) works
Apr 07 22:49:06 <warpdesign_> sugardave, ok, that's what I thought
Apr 07 22:49:18 <sugardave> haeffb: swapScene obliterates the entire scene stack?
Apr 07 22:49:20 <haeffb> sugardave: get them to your server is as far as I got.
Apr 07 22:49:22 <haeffb> nope.
Apr 07 22:49:26 <warpdesign_> so let's say I have scene 1 on top, and I push scene 2, scene 1's deactivate is called, right ?
Apr 07 22:49:31 <haeffb> it pops the top scene & replaces it.
Apr 07 22:49:38 <haeffb> warpdesign: no.
Apr 07 22:49:40 <warpdesign_> oops
Apr 07 22:49:41 <warpdesign_> :p
Apr 07 22:49:43 <sugardave> and others underneath are fine
Apr 07 22:49:46 <haeffb> wait. yes.
Apr 07 22:49:50 <warpdesign_> ah :)
Apr 07 22:49:53 <haeffb> deactivate is called.
Apr 07 22:49:56 <haeffb> but cleanup is not.
Apr 07 22:49:58 <dawm> warpdesign, whenever a scene isnt active, deactivate is called
Apr 07 22:50:02 <sugardave> warpdesign_: you are correct, if a new scene is pushed, the old scen's deactivate is called
Apr 07 22:50:17 <dawm> minimized, new scene pushed..etc
Apr 07 22:50:18 <haeffb> cleanup is not called until the scene is popped.
Apr 07 22:50:19 <warpdesign_> and if I swap scene 2 with scene 3, cleanup is called (and maybe deactivate first as well ?) right ?
Apr 07 22:50:22 <twbbas> I'll try restarting computer. Maybe that'll fix it.
Apr 07 22:50:27 <warpdesign_> cleanup for scene 2
Apr 07 22:50:29 <sugardave> warpdesign_: you got it
Apr 07 22:50:33 <warpdesign_> ok, great
Apr 07 22:50:38 <haeffb> swap scene will cause both deactivate and cleanup
Apr 07 22:50:51 <haeffb> because the scene is popped
Apr 07 22:51:21 <sugardave> haeffb: okay, so some hacked on report listing each string line with a timestamp will work?
Apr 07 22:51:38 <haeffb> sure.
Apr 07 22:51:40 <sugardave> I'm trying to figure out the fast way to pacakge them and send and then be useful in the app view
Apr 07 22:52:25 <haeffb> not sure about packaging...probalby need to send each string as it happens to avoid app crashing leaving you debug-less.
Apr 07 22:52:26 <sugardave> don't get excited when you see the object debugger, it won't do anything yet
Apr 07 22:52:39 <warpdesign_> ok, i finally got it then
Apr 07 22:52:41 <warpdesign_> thanks
Apr 07 22:55:40 <warpdesign_> good, works for me :)
Apr 07 22:55:56 <warpdesign_> last question and I'm off to bed (well deserved :))
Apr 07 22:56:38 <warpdesign_> I looked into showalertdialog but it seems it takes the whole screen width, which makes it quite ugly in landscape mode when I just want to display a simple message with an ok button
Apr 07 22:56:53 <warpdesign_> is there a builtin method to display somple alert boxes that wouldn't take the whole screen ?
Apr 07 22:57:01 <warpdesign_> some, not somple
Apr 07 22:57:06 <warpdesign_> (really need to get some sleep :))
Apr 07 22:57:23 <sugardave> that one I don't know :D
Apr 07 22:57:56 <warpdesign_> see http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1838&Itemid=244#.showAlertDialog
Apr 07 22:58:24 * haeffb refrains from repeating a discussion from earlier today
Apr 07 22:59:23 <dawm> oh yeah
Apr 07 22:59:29 <warpdesign_> haeffb, I remember it, but just asking.. ;)
Apr 07 22:59:37 <dawm> i need to call showAlertDialog from withing my app controller.. how?
Apr 07 22:59:41 <warpdesign_> since that would mean I'd have to write my own..
Apr 07 23:00:07 <twbbas> Restarting my computer fixed it
Apr 07 23:00:22 <dawm> michigan sucks
Apr 07 23:00:30 <dawm> :P
Apr 07 23:02:12 <dawm> twbbas, where are you located
Apr 07 23:02:23 <Roy-Pre101> dawm: When you got showAlertDialog down pat, go document it on webos101.com. :)
Apr 07 23:02:33 <dawm> lol
Apr 07 23:02:40 <dawm> i need to figure out how to call it first
Apr 07 23:03:05 <dawm> this.controller and Mojo.controller aint workn
Apr 07 23:03:17 <twbbas> Michigan, why?
Apr 07 23:03:23 <dawm> i know that
Apr 07 23:03:28 <dawm> your ip says southfield
Apr 07 23:03:34 <twbbas> Yea close to southfield
Apr 07 23:03:46 <dawm> and since my handleCommand is in my app controller and i need to prompt a dialog from an app menu click.. i need to figure out how :P
Apr 07 23:04:01 <dawm> im down in southgate
Apr 07 23:04:22 <twbbas> Never heard of that. I've only lived in Michigan for 3 1/2 years
Apr 07 23:04:37 <dawm> ahh
Apr 07 23:04:44 <dawm> well im about 15mins from metro airport (where i work)
Apr 07 23:05:06 <twbbas> oh cool, sometimes I wish I lived closer to the airport
Apr 07 23:07:05 <warpdesign_> got to go
Apr 07 23:07:10 <warpdesign_> thanks for the help everyone
Apr 07 23:07:29 <twbbas> bye
Apr 07 23:08:27 <sugardave> dawm: try Mojo.Controller....big C
Apr 07 23:08:43 <dawm> do i have to?
Apr 07 23:08:51 <sugardave> nope :D
Apr 07 23:09:18 <dawm> ill try it
Apr 07 23:09:25 <dawm> otherwise ill just figure out what the activescene is
Apr 07 23:09:31 <dawm> and call it through it
Apr 07 23:10:03 <dawm> Mojo.C** not work
Apr 07 23:11:46 <sugardave> that was my next question...isn't showAlertDialog a scene controller method?
Apr 07 23:11:55 <dawm> yah
Apr 07 23:12:12 <dawm> which is why i need to find my active scene and call it thru it
Apr 07 23:12:27 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.getActiveStageController().activeScene().showAlertDialog()
Apr 07 23:12:30 <sugardave> or something like that
Apr 07 23:12:44 <dawm> yah
Apr 07 23:12:59 <sugardave> that doesn't work?
Apr 07 23:13:30 <dawm> dont know yet
Apr 07 23:13:39 <dawm> yerp
Apr 07 23:13:45 <dawm> stageController.activeScene().showAlertDialog(
Apr 07 23:13:52 <sugardave> yeah
Apr 07 23:13:53 <dawm> since i have my stageController already defined
Apr 07 23:13:55 <sugardave> cool
Apr 07 23:14:18 <haeffb> sugardave: it's impossible to tell from the docs.
Apr 07 23:14:41 <haeffb> but it's not included as a method of app, stage, or scene controller.
Apr 07 23:15:18 <dawm> haeffb, uhh its clear in the docs
Apr 07 23:15:24 <dawm> just not how to go about calling it from outside
Apr 07 23:15:31 <haeffb> docs say "Mojo.Controller.showAlertDialog(...);"
Apr 07 23:15:37 <dawm> yes
Apr 07 23:15:39 <sugardave> I think we have proved it is a method of the scene controller
Apr 07 23:15:44 <dawm> but under the Mojo.Controller.SceneController page
Apr 07 23:15:51 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1838&Itemid=292#.showAlertDialog
Apr 07 23:15:55 <dawm> er wait
Apr 07 23:15:59 <dawm> no he's right
Apr 07 23:16:08 <dawm> in the docs its just out in the open
Apr 07 23:16:11 <sugardave> you guys use the docs?
Apr 07 23:16:13 <haeffb> yup
Apr 07 23:16:15 <sugardave> silly people :D
Apr 07 23:16:35 <haeffb> I have had VERY mixed success using errorDialog, showAlertDialog, etc.
Apr 07 23:16:58 <haeffb> I'm not comfortable relying on any of them at the moment.
Apr 07 23:17:17 <haeffb> And, I'm darned near positive that I can't call them from AppAssistant before a scene is loaded.
Apr 07 23:18:34 <dawm> well you cant if theres no scene
Apr 07 23:19:37 <dawm> argh
Apr 07 23:19:43 <dawm> that freaking swipe to delete bug
Apr 07 23:19:59 <dawm> if i cancel a swipe to delete, widgets inside the list row dont work
Apr 07 23:20:48 <BigBiff> hey people, anyone looked at mojo matters lazy list widget in lazy list thing?
Apr 07 23:21:12 <trucutrux> hello there.
Apr 07 23:21:22 <BigBiff> just wondering if BOTH templates are necessary, or if the sublist could have gone within the rowtemplate
Apr 07 23:21:50 <trucutrux> Can anyone provide an idea of how to view/change email settings from an application in WebOS?
Apr 07 23:24:23 <trucutrux> I'm wondering if that is simply forbidden...
Apr 07 23:28:14 <dawm> it is
Apr 07 23:29:58 <dawm> ugh
Apr 07 23:30:03 <dawm> this one stupid bug..
Apr 07 23:30:22 <dawm> everything else works fine.. but this one thing that i know people will complain about
Apr 07 23:30:55 <sugardave> dawm: I think Bmyers handles a cancel swipe to delete in his time=$ app
Apr 07 23:31:08 <sugardave> unless it's a new bug
Apr 07 23:31:16 <dawm> no it was doing it in 1.4.0
Apr 07 23:31:31 <sugardave> last I looked at his app was 1.3.5, I think
Apr 07 23:54:10 <Bmyers> ?
Apr 07 23:54:44 <haeffb> dawm: can you do a modelChanged for the list on cancel?
Apr 07 23:55:09 <dawm> im sure i could if i could find out it was cancelled
Apr 07 23:55:15 <dawm> if i cancel nothing changes
Apr 07 23:55:21 <dawm> but widgets no longer work in that row
Apr 07 23:55:31 <dawm> and i have a toggle inside each row
Apr 07 23:55:43 <Bmyers> what kind of widgets?
Apr 07 23:56:04 <dawm> tapping the toggle fires off a list tap as if the toggle wasnt there
Apr 07 23:56:15 <dawm> only does that if you cancel a swipe2delete
Apr 07 23:56:52 <haeffb> the Mojo.Event.listDelete is never fired...?
Apr 07 23:57:08 <dawm> only if delete is tapped
Apr 07 23:57:59 <haeffb> Myles: 501 downloads!
Apr 07 23:58:23 <Bmyers> guyrules: 5100 dls
Apr 07 23:58:34 <dawm> i broke 1500 uniques the otherday
Apr 07 23:59:02 <Bmyers> uniques i think i'm at about 3500
Apr 07 23:59:20 <Bmyers> for being in the palm beta catalog thats not bad
Apr 08 00:00:14 <Bmyers> but for the past two days in the morning my GR app dies because of the hosting companys' mysql server
Apr 08 00:02:46 <haeffb> dawm: this is weird.
Apr 08 00:03:01 <dawm> i know
Apr 08 00:03:06 <haeffb> I have a drawer in my list in Myles & an icon that opens the drawer when tapped.
Apr 08 00:03:13 <haeffb> if I cancel delete, it still works.
Apr 08 00:03:17 <haeffb> for about 20 seconds.
Apr 08 00:03:19 <Bmyers> did it used to work?
Apr 08 00:03:21 <haeffb> then stops working.
Apr 08 00:03:29 <dawm> see mine
Apr 08 00:03:41 <dawm> is pretty much the same as the clock app
Apr 08 00:03:43 <dawm> alarms scene
Apr 08 00:03:54 <dawm> list with toggles, tapping the list lets you edit, tapping the toggle toggles
Apr 08 00:04:13 <dawm> in the clock app it works as expected
Apr 08 00:04:22 <dawm> but when i threw similar code into mine i get the bug
Apr 08 00:04:23 <sugardave> if you switch on a var that might not be there, what is the case?  undefined?
Apr 08 00:04:27 <haeffb> do they have a cancel delete?
Apr 08 00:04:34 <dawm> nope
Apr 08 00:04:36 <haeffb> default:
Apr 08 00:04:42 <sugardave> ah, thanks
Apr 08 00:04:54 <dawm> woo
Apr 08 00:04:54 <haeffb> not case default:, just default:
Apr 08 00:05:05 <sugardave> got it
Apr 08 00:05:12 <dawm> added a button that fires up google maps to show the gps coords location
Apr 08 00:05:18 <haeffb> woo.
Apr 08 00:05:24 <dawm> now only if i could do that and show a radius
Apr 08 00:05:46 <haeffb> dawm: when I refresh the list model (i.e. leave the scene & come back), the drawers work again.
Apr 08 00:05:53 <dawm> yteah
Apr 08 00:06:04 <dawm> when i come back and it refreshes it works
Apr 08 00:06:23 <dawm> i used to do a model change
Apr 08 00:06:32 <dawm> but i just found out i can just splice out the model and it auto changes
Apr 08 00:06:39 <haeffb> if you're REALLY worried about it, you could add a timer to modelChanged every...uh...10 seconds! :)
Apr 08 00:07:30 <haeffb> or you could roll your own confirm delete with a dialog.
Apr 08 00:07:48 <dawm> nah
Apr 08 00:07:55 <dawm> i shouldnt have to work around somethign that should work
Apr 08 00:08:27 <dawm> i guess i can listen for property change
Apr 08 00:14:17 <dawm> my codes the same as the clock app.. but doesnt work the same
Apr 08 00:18:40 <dawm> i think i fixed it
Apr 08 00:19:22 <dawm> yep
Apr 08 00:19:23 <dawm> fixed ;D
Apr 08 00:20:03 <dawm> in my listen for Mojo.Event.propertyChanged
Apr 08 00:20:05 <dawm>     if (event.property == 'deleted' && !event.value) {
Apr 08 00:20:05 <dawm>         this.controller.modelChanged(this.profilesModel);
Apr 08 00:20:05 <dawm>     }
Apr 08 00:20:23 <dawm> the event is 'deleted' and the value is null when the user cancels
Apr 08 00:24:47 <JenP> hi all
Apr 08 00:24:57 <halfhalo_T400> hola!
Apr 08 00:25:00 <Bmyers> TQOS!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 08 00:25:11 <JenP> hey guys how are you doing?
Apr 08 00:25:19 <zsoc> WONNNNNDERFFULLL
Apr 08 00:25:32 <sugardave> so much excitement...
Apr 08 00:25:41 <dawm> anyone wanna take a testdrive of my app?
Apr 08 00:25:43 <halfhalo_T400> I gots my app to work the way I want it
Apr 08 00:25:44 <halfhalo_T400> :p
Apr 08 00:25:46 <JenP> lol
Apr 08 00:25:48 <Bmyers> sugardave is going to buy Palm
Apr 08 00:25:55 <JenP> halfhalo_T400 that's wonderful!
Apr 08 00:25:59 <zsoc> I finally debugged this service, it should work now.
Apr 08 00:26:00 <dawm> its pretty much releaseable, theres one feature that i will eventually add, but its good to go right now (i think)
Apr 08 00:26:15 <Bmyers> with his profits from WidJet
Apr 08 00:26:37 <dawm> no one?
Apr 08 00:27:03 <sugardave> dawm, can't...adding to the API for haeffb
Apr 08 00:27:11 <dawm> pfft
Apr 08 00:30:49 <haeffb> dawm: working on my TAXES.
Apr 08 00:36:54 <pandora--> hehehehe
Apr 08 00:36:58 <pandora--> wooooo taxes!
Apr 08 00:37:09 <pandora--> i overpay a bunch
Apr 08 00:37:14 <pandora--> so i get fatty returns
Apr 08 00:37:17 <pandora--> it kicks ass
Apr 08 00:38:02 <dawm> heh
Apr 08 00:57:45 <JayCanuck> hi all
Apr 08 01:00:46 <halfhalo_T400> hola
Apr 08 01:09:47 <figaroo> How do I include Mojo in an ares app?
Apr 08 01:09:57 <figaroo> <script src="/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js" type="text/javascript" x-mojo-version="1"></script> doesn't seem to be doing it
Apr 08 01:11:04 <figaroo> ...
Apr 08 01:11:05 <sugardave> haeffb: ping
Apr 08 01:16:32 <figaroo> Is including Ares the only way to get mojo into my app?
Apr 08 01:18:01 <haeffb> sugardave:
Apr 08 01:18:16 <haeffb> Is developing for webOS considered "gambling income"?
Apr 08 01:19:25 <sugardave> haha
Apr 08 01:19:45 <sugardave> I was going to ask you if 255 characters would be enough, then decided that it is
Apr 08 01:32:57 <Roy-Pre101> figaroo: Mojo is already included with Ares apps.
Apr 08 02:36:16 <figaroo> Roy-Pre101: I'm writting my app in ares from scratch. I pretty much am starting with a plain old index.html file.
Apr 08 02:37:30 <figaroo> Ares apps just include the ares.js file and that does the rest
Apr 08 02:37:37 <figaroo> I guess.
Apr 08 02:37:44 <figaroo> anyway I g2g
Apr 08 02:37:47 <figaroo> be back later
Apr 08 02:41:58 <haeffb> sugardave: I signed up.
Apr 08 02:44:55 <halfhalo_T400> weeelllllll
Apr 08 02:44:58 <halfhalo_T400> interesting
Apr 08 02:46:01 <halfhalo_T400> I think my timing is off..... or something like that
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