**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 10 02:59:57 2010
Apr 10 03:00:18 <sugardave> Bmyers: you mean what us old-timers call a laptop?
Apr 10 03:00:22 <haeffb> JenP_wirc I are
Apr 10 03:00:33 <sugardave> hi JenP_wirc if I didn't already say it :D
Apr 10 03:00:37 <JenP_wirc> haeffb the custom dialog is still broken
Apr 10 03:00:57 <haeffb> sugardave: pop you CANNOT specify index. I tried that once.
Apr 10 03:01:08 <sugardave> that's what I thought
Apr 10 03:01:10 <JenP_wirc> hi sugardave
Apr 10 03:01:16 <haeffb> but a different error now?
Apr 10 03:01:39 <JenP_wirc> no same error
Apr 10 03:01:51 <haeffb> you can't pastie from wirc?
Apr 10 03:02:39 <JenP_wirc> smiles..no but will be in room n 10 mins..ill paste then
Apr 10 03:03:00 <sugardave> Bmyers: I picked up an Asus K61IC-A2 from Fry's for about $850....it's a core 2 duo P8400(somethingorother) 2.53 GHz, 4 GB RAM....quite nice and a great price since the core i7 came out
Apr 10 03:03:17 <dawm> http://www.biocandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ringwhere-swapndrop_splash.png
Apr 10 03:03:20 <dawm> so sexy ;p
Apr 10 03:03:40 <Tibfib> dawm: nice
Apr 10 03:03:45 <sugardave> very nice
Apr 10 03:04:02 <sugardave> time for some Tricky
Apr 10 03:04:11 <dawm> ive had the image for awhile, but felt kinda stupid using it with only 1 app
Apr 10 03:04:43 <haeffb> I'd have let u use my app...
Apr 10 03:04:54 * haeffb needs to learn how to use GIMP
Apr 10 03:05:11 <dawm> that image is only 50% the original size of my template :P
Apr 10 03:05:16 * Tibfib thinks haeffb shouldn't bother. paint.net is much nicer
Apr 10 03:05:53 <Tibfib> that is, if you are running windows
Apr 10 03:06:39 * haeffb is
Apr 10 03:06:45 <Bmyers> sugardave: i miss living 5 miles away from a frys
Apr 10 03:06:46 <dawm> i need to find a wordpress theme i like.. im really not motivated into making one, and im tired of hacking up the one im using now
Apr 10 03:07:48 <JenP_wirc> frys is the greatest place....
Apr 10 03:07:54 * haeffb installing paint.net
Apr 10 03:08:19 <haeffb> actually I'm just sitting here...it's installing itself
Apr 10 03:09:18 <haeffb> Bmyers: I can't break it here. I dunno what's happening on your end.
Apr 10 03:16:01 <haeffb> Tibfib: I like it.
Apr 10 03:21:22 <Tibfib> haeffb: :)
Apr 10 03:27:13 <alexfner> guise
Apr 10 03:27:35 <alexfner> I've got one of those little annoying anomolies where there's too much data structure to keep track of and I screwed something minor up
Apr 10 03:27:39 <alexfner> RAWR RAWR RAWR
Apr 10 03:27:41 <alexfner> that is all
Apr 10 03:33:54 * haeffb going mobile.
Apr 10 03:34:20 <kesne> HEY ALL!
Apr 10 03:34:22 <kesne> :D
Apr 10 03:34:28 <kesne> KESNE IS IN DA HAUS!
Apr 10 03:34:45 <haeffb_pre> hi. kense
Apr 10 03:36:56 <kesne> kesne, not kense :P
Apr 10 03:36:57 <kesne> ;)
Apr 10 03:43:21 <dawm> anyone wanna test ringwhere?
Apr 10 03:49:08 <kesne> dawm: what is it?
Apr 10 03:49:14 <dawm> gps based ringtones
Apr 10 03:49:34 <kesne> I would, but I'm going to be in the same place for 48 hours
Apr 10 03:49:51 <dawm> lol
Apr 10 03:55:09 <haeffb_pre> I do. but 2morrow.
Apr 10 04:10:58 <JenP> hi all
Apr 10 04:12:51 <kesne> JenP!
Apr 10 04:13:03 <JenP> hey kesne how ya doing?
Apr 10 04:13:48 <kesne> Great, yourself?
Apr 10 04:14:11 <JenP> good
Apr 10 04:14:17 <sugardave> alexfner: maybe you should reconsider your data structures
Apr 10 04:14:23 <sugardave> hi kesne
Apr 10 04:14:36 <kesne> sugardave!
Apr 10 04:14:50 <kesne> I havent been in here for forever?
Apr 10 04:15:03 <sugardave> I was gone for a bit, myself
Apr 10 04:15:30 <kesne> Oh?
Apr 10 04:27:13 <JenP> hey sugardave are you still up?
Apr 10 04:35:18 <dawm> doh
Apr 10 04:36:36 <alexfner> ugh
Apr 10 04:36:40 <alexfner> it's just become a mess
Apr 10 04:36:45 <alexfner> something is computing totally wrong
Apr 10 04:36:53 <alexfner> and I can't seem to figure out the pattern
Apr 10 04:36:59 <dawm> heh
Apr 10 04:39:25 <dawm> yeah well..
Apr 10 04:39:39 <dawm> when i delete a list item the onew below it get nuked.. DOH!
Apr 10 04:40:23 <dawm> but thankfully i forgot to uncomment the line that actually deletes the data ;P
Apr 10 04:45:47 <alexfner> boo
Apr 10 04:45:51 <alexfner> that's easy peasy
Apr 10 04:46:54 <dawm> yeah but the problem is.. its not written to do that :P the rest shouldnt disappear.. and im done coding for today ;p
Apr 10 04:54:40 <Tibfib> cya all, time for sleep
Apr 10 05:03:19 <alexfner> fixed the data issues
Apr 10 05:03:20 <alexfner> magically
Apr 10 05:03:22 <alexfner> I WIN
Apr 10 05:19:52 <sugardave> JenP: I am, what's up?
Apr 10 05:20:22 <JenP> hiya...i have a cookie object storage question
Apr 10 05:20:39 <sugardave> alrighty
Apr 10 05:20:53 <Roy-Pre101> OK, everyone go write one new thing on webos101.com.  Take 5 minutes and write about something you know!
Apr 10 05:21:04 <Roy-Pre101> And, go download the palmSpot app from the App Catalog.
Apr 10 05:21:08 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: I already wrote about the things i know :(
Apr 10 05:21:11 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: how about how to install a replacement kernel?
Apr 10 05:21:31 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, not really what we're looking for.  Though that is interesting.
Apr 10 05:21:38 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: I know you know more than that!
Apr 10 05:21:41 <JenP> um...i'm in webos101 right now trying to do the cookie storage tut. i was gonna add to it
Apr 10 05:21:44 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: ok, I'll refrain then :-)
Apr 10 05:21:55 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: What's the news?
Apr 10 05:21:57 <sugardave> JenP: are you talking about the bakery example/
Apr 10 05:21:58 <sugardave> ?
Apr 10 05:22:26 <JenP> sugardave: yes
Apr 10 05:22:36 <sugardave> hey, I know that one :D
Apr 10 05:22:43 <sugardave> what's the trouble?
Apr 10 05:22:44 <JenP> i need help connecting the dots....yeah....i know...
Apr 10 05:22:46 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: we now have 5 kernel developers on the webos-internals team, and are working on autobuilding kernels and packaging them with aupt-4 for safe OTA behaviour
Apr 10 05:23:29 <alexfner> hey is there a way to tether custom css classes to the different devices?
Apr 10 05:23:37 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: and marco (on the team) has forward-ported his overclocking patch to 1.4.1
Apr 10 05:23:48 <alexfner> i.e. classes for the pixi, and classes for the pre
Apr 10 05:24:26 <JenP> sugardave: PM
Apr 10 05:27:07 <alexfner> anybody?
Apr 10 05:28:53 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Good, good.
Apr 10 05:29:11 <Roy-Pre101> You know what I'm surprised about?  I'm surprised someone hasn't ported webOS to other hardware yet.
Apr 10 05:30:02 <Roy-Pre101> Can there possibly be that much difference in the hardware that there's not one device with a similar enough configuration?
Apr 10 05:32:03 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: the LunaSysMgr is a meaty binary, and not that easy to get the dependencies in place for
Apr 10 05:32:22 <rwhitby> let alone the legal implications
Apr 10 05:37:02 <Roy-Pre101> Well, I figured anyone doing it wouldn't care much about point #2.
Apr 10 05:37:22 <Roy-Pre101> But point #1 does sound like a tricky one
Apr 10 05:44:09 <alexfner> hmm
Apr 10 05:44:25 <alexfner> does anyone know a way to apply css classes depending on the device type?
Apr 10 05:46:44 <Roy-Pre101> yep
Apr 10 05:46:46 <Roy-Pre101> oops
Apr 10 05:46:49 <Roy-Pre101> wrong window
Apr 10 05:46:56 <alexfner> ya got my hopes up
Apr 10 05:47:10 <Roy-Pre101> Sure, detect the device type and add a class to the body.
Apr 10 05:48:09 <alexfner> well, I have a ton of classes that constant get added and removed to control the interface
Apr 10 05:48:44 <alexfner> I was kind of hoping there was a simple way to make these classes width, height, etc. change depending on the device type
Apr 10 06:02:31 <sugardave> alexfner: you just need two "sets" of master css (I won't be using the correct terms, because I suck at css), one with class pre and one with pixi, then just add/remove the proper class to the sceneScroller div for each scene that loads/unloads
Apr 10 06:02:59 <sugardave> or the div above the scene scroller
Apr 10 06:03:06 <sugardave> whatever it's called
Apr 10 06:14:34 <alexfner> hmm
Apr 10 06:14:42 <alexfner> could you explain that one more time?
Apr 10 06:14:47 <alexfner> I think I got it
Apr 10 06:14:51 <alexfner> but once more would be awesome
Apr 10 06:18:56 <sugardave> had some problems, did I miss anything?
Apr 10 07:24:45 <alexfner> sugardave
Apr 10 07:24:46 <alexfner> do you have a link to an example?
Apr 10 08:23:52 <willwill> is it possible to use download manager to submit form with and without file?
Apr 10 12:23:15 <haeffb> good morning
Apr 10 12:28:28 <willwill> first textfield in one of my application's scene got focused automatically
Apr 10 12:29:03 <willwill> and i don't want that to happen, how to fix that? that field's attribute is {textCase: Mojo.Widget.steModeLowerCase}
Apr 10 12:34:57 <haeffb> 	this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null);
Apr 10 12:37:10 <willwill> thanks
Apr 10 12:50:24 <willwill> from what i see in stylematters, seems that i need to create my own menu panel (like drawing scrim & menu) unlike ordinary widget/submenu right?
Apr 10 13:03:14 <haeffb> for what menu?
Apr 10 13:05:12 <willwill> menu panel (the one that can be called by tapping pill header)
Apr 10 13:11:47 <haeffb> example?
Apr 10 13:12:04 <willwill> see "menu panel" in stylematters
Apr 10 13:14:48 <haeffb> looks that way. I've never tried it.
Apr 10 13:16:05 <willwill> stylematters' source draw it own scrim, I think there might be better way as other menu system draw required stuff automatically
Apr 10 13:16:31 <willwill> but I couldn't see menupanel in Mojo.Menu api docs
Apr 10 15:57:42 <pandora--> should one be able to listen for Mojo.Event.tap on a textfield?
Apr 10 15:57:53 <pandora--> it's not working for me.
Apr 10 15:58:01 <pandora--> buttons yeah, textfield no
Apr 10 16:00:34 <pandora--> maybe i'll try listenforfocuschange instead of listen
Apr 10 16:06:49 <pandora--> meh. it works but only if you tap on something else,then back on the text field
Apr 10 16:07:02 <pandora--> i want to get the event whenever it's tapped on
Apr 10 16:12:35 <Roy-Pre101> You need to get the textfield's html node and then listen for tap on that.
Apr 10 16:12:45 <Roy-Pre101> I think
Apr 10 16:23:04 <pandora--> huh
Apr 10 16:23:49 <pandora--> Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('myfield'), Mojo.Event.tap, this.myfunction.bind(this));
Apr 10 16:23:53 <pandora--> that wouldn't work?
Apr 10 16:24:11 <pandora--> not sure what you meen by getting the html node, if that's not it
Apr 10 16:24:17 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: ^
Apr 10 16:33:52 <Roy-Pre101> Well, that -should- work
Apr 10 16:34:12 <Roy-Pre101> But I do know that textfields have a number of hidden html elements that get created.
Apr 10 16:38:01 <pandora--> hmm interesting
Apr 10 16:38:10 <pandora--> yeah, that was the obvious thing to try
Apr 10 16:38:14 <pandora--> but, that doesn't work
Apr 10 16:38:45 <dawm> anyone wanna beta test my gps ringtone app?
Apr 10 16:39:56 <pandora--> ha!
Apr 10 16:40:06 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: found it (forums answer)
Apr 10 16:40:24 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: you have to add the optional argument to the listen() function
Apr 10 16:40:30 <pandora--> Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('myfield'), Mojo.Event.tap, this.myfunction.bind(this), true);
Apr 10 16:40:34 <pandora--> the 'true' at the end
Apr 10 16:40:36 <pandora--> now it works.
Apr 10 16:41:00 <rohit1> hello.. Does the onchange event fail to work in the webOS?
Apr 10 16:41:03 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: docs say:  useCapture
Apr 10 16:41:03 <pandora-->     {Boolean} optional parameter that when true causes the event to be observed during the capture phase.
Apr 10 16:41:15 <pandora--> OBVIOUSLY... *cough*
Apr 10 16:57:03 <leo__> hi!
Apr 10 16:57:17 <leo__> I'll need someone with a pre to test a little app
Apr 10 17:01:19 <dawm> leo?
Apr 10 17:05:47 <Roy-Pre101> pandora--: Wow, I never knew there was an optional parameter to listen
Apr 10 17:05:57 <Roy-Pre101> Can you please add that to webos101.com?
Apr 10 17:13:21 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: when is Palm going to turn webos101 into the wiki version of the docs? :D
Apr 10 17:23:08 <dawm> im half tempted to oreo my pre so i can get a new one.. f'n scratches on the screen and a nice crack coming from the usb area thats just bordering the screen is getting annoying
Apr 10 17:39:18 <Roy-Pre101> dawm: That's why I Got a screen protector
Apr 10 17:48:10 <leo__> does anyone know where i can get a list of all events properties ?
Apr 10 17:59:25 <dawm> roy, i had one on my original pre (that lost touchscreen cability due to faulty USB port)
Apr 10 17:59:42 <dawm> never got around to putting it on my 2nd pre cause i figured i didnt want to waste it.. but i guess i should have ;p
Apr 10 18:06:50 <thomaschaaf> I can't believe that no one has no wishes for apps..
Apr 10 18:07:00 <thomaschaaf> probably tons of users wanting some stupid app..
Apr 10 18:07:08 <thomaschaaf> and there is no way for me to find out :(
Apr 10 18:13:05 <dawm> um
Apr 10 18:13:10 <dawm> thomaschaaf, theres App Idea Box
Apr 10 18:13:12 <dawm> its an app
Apr 10 18:13:22 <dawm> its like the app store, but people suggest apps, price, features
Apr 10 18:13:44 <dawm> most are really stupid or impossible.. but some are good ideas
Apr 10 18:14:04 <dawm> 'i want an app to control my ceiling fan, ill pay $0.99 for it'
Apr 10 18:16:49 <thomaschaaf> hmm
Apr 10 18:17:02 <thomaschaaf> I can do it if the house is connected and has a decent api :P
Apr 10 18:17:12 <thomaschaaf> would be awesome
Apr 10 18:17:35 <thomaschaaf> is there something like doodle jump yet?
Apr 10 18:17:39 <thomaschaaf> I'd love to write that..
Apr 10 18:17:47 <thomaschaaf> don't know if there is a base for that though
Apr 10 18:17:52 <thomaschaaf> I'd want to make it free
Apr 10 18:17:58 <thomaschaaf> ads only
Apr 10 18:18:29 <thomaschaaf> people seem really nice and understanding about ads.. they even click them :)
Apr 10 18:19:10 <hucksy> as long as its not iAd
Apr 10 18:20:17 <thomaschaaf> admob :D
Apr 10 18:20:26 <hucksy> hehe
Apr 10 18:20:35 <thomaschaaf> they have a great way to incorperate ads
Apr 10 18:20:39 <thomaschaaf> its like 5 lines of code
Apr 10 18:20:44 <hucksy> cool
Apr 10 18:21:22 <thomaschaaf> I am the creator of Pi master and really enjoy how people like ads :)
Apr 10 18:21:44 <thomaschaaf> or at least are willing to click them since it does not yank you out of the app like for the iphone :d
Apr 10 18:22:47 <hucksy> hehe yeah
Apr 10 18:23:00 <hucksy> ads are fine, as long as they are not like christmas trees
Apr 10 18:24:36 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-04-10_2023.png lol admob is really dumb... they can't even get it to show the same number on the top and bottom of the page :D
Apr 10 18:25:45 <hucksy> lol
Apr 10 18:26:38 <hucksy> but an german interface
Apr 10 18:26:39 <hucksy> nice
Apr 10 18:38:23 <thomaschaaf> lol now it says .16 :D
Apr 10 18:58:23 <haeffb> good afternoon
Apr 10 19:00:57 <rohit1> hello.. can anyone here please suggest an alternaative for select list option in javascript.. it'll be good if the alternative doen't use mojo framework
Apr 10 19:51:20 <dawm> gr
Apr 10 19:51:33 <dawm> when i delete a list item, it deletes the ones below it
Apr 10 19:53:09 <dawm> nm fixed ;p
Apr 10 20:20:38 <dawm> hey Templarian where abouts are you located?
Apr 10 20:20:59 <Templarian> Michigan :) geoip is your friend
Apr 10 20:21:20 <dawm> duh i know that i meant how far are you actually from kzoo
Apr 10 20:21:42 <dawm> im way over by metro airport
Apr 10 20:22:56 <Templarian> your not far away you know where WMU is?
Apr 10 20:23:19 <Templarian> That's where I usually am, I'm at my parents this weekend.
Apr 10 20:23:21 <dawm> yeh i had some friends that went there, and i pass thru kzoo multiple times a year on my way to WI
Apr 10 20:24:59 <dawm> grr.. why do listSelectors truncate their labels
Apr 10 20:25:16 <dawm> and its truncating 3 letters with 3 dots..
Apr 10 20:25:25 <dawm> stupid!
Apr 10 20:28:04 <haeffb> override the CSS
Apr 10 20:28:17 <JenP_wirc> hi all
Apr 10 20:29:18 <dawm> haeffb, too much to bother with i just used a different word :P
Apr 10 20:29:30 <dawm> Update Interval -> Update Every  :P
Apr 10 20:32:01 <dawm> can you take sshots with the emulator?
Apr 10 20:32:05 <haeffb> nice.
Apr 10 20:32:06 <dawm> im being lazy
Apr 10 20:32:07 <haeffb> nope
Apr 10 20:32:10 <haeffb> hi JenP_wirc
Apr 10 20:32:40 <JenP_wirc> hi haeffb
Apr 10 20:32:51 <haeffb> you can use your PC to screenshot & then try to get the image sized & cropped right. but that's probably more work than plugging in the phone
Apr 10 20:32:59 <dawm> yeah i know
Apr 10 20:33:32 <dawm> i just dont wanna open photoshop
Apr 10 20:53:50 <dawm> woot
Apr 10 20:54:00 <dawm> my app update notification system works ;D
Apr 10 21:05:30 <dawm> sooo.. anyone wanna beta test my gps ringtone app?
Apr 10 21:06:52 <dawm> i wonder if i should put a kill switch in
Apr 10 21:58:43 <haeffb> dawm I will
Apr 11 00:42:07 <zsoc> haeffb: ping
Apr 11 00:55:26 <zsoc> haeffb_pre: what was that wizardry you gave me last time to debug while i ran in the emu?
Apr 11 01:02:37 <dawm> pdc@palm.com is the dev contact email right?
Apr 11 01:02:39 <haeffb_pre> palm-log -d tcp -f com.my.app
Apr 11 01:02:59 <haeffb_pre> that's one of them
Apr 11 01:03:12 <zsoc> ty
Apr 11 01:03:53 <zsoc>  "Object #<an anonymous> has no method 'getActiveStageController'"
Apr 11 01:03:53 <zsoc> wat
Apr 11 01:05:59 <zsoc> ah i see
Apr 11 01:13:31 <zsoc> How do you bring down the app menu in the emulator? Just click on it?
Apr 11 01:15:39 <dawm> uh yeah
Apr 11 01:17:02 <zsoc> i suppose then my app menu isn't working lol
Apr 11 01:29:07 <dawm> nice
Apr 11 01:29:14 <dawm> my phones lifetimer is 000666
Apr 11 01:38:44 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: ping
Apr 11 01:44:55 <JenP> hi all
Apr 11 02:11:57 <dawm> woo
Apr 11 02:12:00 <dawm> my killswitch works
Apr 11 02:12:10 <dawm> i can disable any version and include a reason ;P
Apr 11 02:23:28 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.biocandy.ringwhere
Apr 11 02:23:36 <dawm> feel free to break it, but let me know :P
Apr 11 02:25:24 <pandora--> dawm: always a good idea
Apr 11 02:26:08 <pandora--> JenP: hiya
Apr 11 02:26:21 <JenP> hi pandora--
Apr 11 02:29:41 <dawm> nice.. my tracking is only off by 29.. slowly making up the difference from when the app was released without the callhome
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