**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 13 02:59:56 2010 Apr 13 03:01:32 Is there a way to dim the backlighting? Apr 13 03:05:57 mischko: there is a brightness setting in the Screen & Lock app Apr 13 03:06:11 there is also a patch to add a brightness slider to the top device menu Apr 13 03:06:16 ack my brain hurts Apr 13 03:12:36 WAIT Apr 13 03:12:42 "Preferences" is a default menu item? Apr 13 03:13:03 well crap, what's the event trigger? I can't find it documented Apr 13 03:15:25 zsoc can you pastebin your menu please Apr 13 03:17:28 JenP: my issue is i'm not sure where to put the model define Apr 13 03:18:41 the model define? stage-assistant? then in your other files set up do...this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, myMenuAttr, myMenuModel); Apr 13 03:18:53 this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, {}, appMenuModel); Apr 13 03:19:06 Hello everyone Apr 13 03:19:14 hey CTLAdvance Apr 13 03:19:19 That's in my other scene assist files, then in my stage-assistant i stuff the model define in setup() Apr 13 03:19:22 Hey jenP Apr 13 03:19:23 and I end up with 2 preferences Apr 13 03:19:32 I assume that is because "Preferences" is somehow already defined? Apr 13 03:19:45 what does it look like in the stage assistant? your code Apr 13 03:19:55 and i'm liberally redefining it with {label: "Preferences", command: 'pushPrefs'} Apr 13 03:20:29 appMenuModel = {items: [{label: "Preferences", command: 'pushPrefs'} ] }; Apr 13 03:20:37 myMenuAttr = { Apr 13 03:20:38 omitDefaultItems: true Apr 13 03:20:38 }; Apr 13 03:21:06 JenP: I guess my question is... i can use the default items.. but what is the 'command' handler/trigger for the default Preferences? Apr 13 03:21:34 ie: in my example i use case 'pushPrefs': Apr 13 03:21:50 albeit useful to know i can remove the defaults :) ty Apr 13 03:24:40 well, omitting defaults works for now, that's good enough till i can poke through a stock app Apr 13 03:24:42 JenP: tyvm Apr 13 04:03:23 I'm running into an issue with my pre accessing local shares. it's asking like its not on the local network even though ip test say it is. What am I missing? Apr 13 04:04:33 I can ping the servers from all other machines on the local network, just not the pre. Apr 13 04:04:55 and I can execute commands on the webserver / and telnet from all other machines, just not the pre. Apr 13 04:06:33 is anyone actaully here :)? Apr 13 04:17:53 hello? anyone? Apr 13 04:18:17 apparently not Apr 13 04:18:26 nah, not a single one :) Apr 13 04:18:51 it's been quiet in here tonight. Apr 13 04:19:56 I don't suppose you would know why a pre on wifi would act like a external network device and not see local servers? Apr 13 04:22:42 ]what was the question Apr 13 04:22:56 ohg Apr 13 04:23:03 I'm running into an issue with my pre accessing local shares. it's asking like its not on the local network even though ip test say it is. What am I missing? Apr 13 04:23:35 A pre on wifi should see local servers if they are on the wifi network, if they are on a different network then they wont be visible Apr 13 04:23:49 hmm Apr 13 04:24:03 Yeah, its all on the same wifi network. And they can all see each other. Apr 13 04:24:37 what is the ip of the server and the pre Apr 13 04:24:49 oh, hmm Apr 13 04:25:07 well are you using a dns? instead of the sirect ip? Apr 13 04:26:04 sometimes I have had trouble using a dns and trying to access the same server, for instance if you have someserver.org and you point to that from your pre, if someserver.org is the external ip address you can hit a problem Apr 13 04:26:40 * CTLAdvance not a 100% sure of my help but might be able to talk you in a correct direction Apr 13 04:26:58 I'm greatful for any ideas. cause I am at a loss. Apr 13 04:27:10 So what are you doing to connect your pre to your share Apr 13 04:27:26 I'm not a networking guy by any means, so please pardon my ignorance. Apr 13 04:27:39 I have a machine running boxee and the webserver with boxee. Apr 13 04:27:52 ah Apr 13 04:27:53 It is wirelessly connected to my router using DTCP Apr 13 04:27:59 ok I am unfamiliar with boxee Apr 13 04:28:05 yeah Apr 13 04:28:16 Its not really important. its just the webserver I am trying to connect to. Apr 13 04:28:18 So when you point to boxee from your pre Apr 13 04:28:25 what address do you use? Apr 13 04:28:40 all of the other machines can see the webserver using the internal ip and the port that boxee uses. Apr 13 04:29:35 is there a way to turn off my phone 3g completely and test with ONLY wifi? Apr 13 04:30:33 so all my machines on my DTCP wireless network can ping the server, but my pre cannot. Apr 13 04:49:47 yes go to airplane mode Apr 13 04:49:50 then turn on wifi Apr 13 04:50:10 Anyone know if you can embed html in the app description section? Apr 13 04:50:19 of the palm app submission process Apr 13 04:52:57 ah, yeah turned off the phone. doing wifi only. still same issue. Any ideas? Apr 13 04:58:37 hmm Apr 13 04:58:59 can you see boxee from the pre or thats the problem? Apr 13 05:01:31 does boxee have a client list you need to grant privledges on? Apr 13 05:07:10 I can't see it from the pre. Apr 13 05:07:25 And I didn't add any of the other computer that CAN see it to any list. Apr 13 05:07:54 Weird thing is, is that there is a boxee app that does it. BUT it doesn't work for me or a few other random people. but for most, it worked without any issues. Apr 13 07:29:08 Hi, how can I remove a app menu completly from a scene? Apr 13 09:24:15 morning Apr 13 12:33:32 hmmm Apr 13 13:00:03 Is there a way to zoom in on an area in the browser? Apr 13 13:00:47 hi Apr 13 13:00:50 You mean in your app? Apr 13 13:00:56 swisstomcat: Howdy. Apr 13 13:01:00 hey roy-pre101 Apr 13 13:01:08 no news about thursday yet? Apr 13 13:02:38 found it. double tap trick. Apr 13 13:03:04 or use the gesture to zoom in Apr 13 13:05:46 moo is on #90 of the hot apps leaderboard :) Apr 13 13:08:35 \o/ Apr 13 13:10:49 swisstomcat: Nice! Apr 13 13:10:59 I need to do something big, Match 'Em isn't on the leaderboard at all. Apr 13 13:11:10 no? Apr 13 13:11:16 wish i could buy it :( Apr 13 13:11:31 no paid apps for you at all? Apr 13 13:15:21 nope Apr 13 13:15:28 i can sell them, but not buy Apr 13 13:15:40 sad. Apr 13 13:16:18 guess i need to buy an american pre in san francisco together with an american debit gift card Apr 13 13:16:58 hm german credit card is not possible? Apr 13 13:17:13 i'm swiss Apr 13 13:17:31 guess i could buy an german pre ... but then i'd need a german credit card Apr 13 13:17:33 i know, but one of those "prepaid cards"? Apr 13 13:17:39 just thinking, i have no idea :) Apr 13 13:17:45 do they exist in germany? Apr 13 13:17:50 yes Apr 13 13:17:59 where? Apr 13 13:18:19 also need to activate the next phone on a german o2 network Apr 13 13:18:25 with a prepaid o2 sim Apr 13 13:18:34 no you dont Apr 13 13:18:40 got any good app ideas, roy-pre101? Apr 13 13:18:59 i only see free apps on my pre Apr 13 13:19:00 and mh, saw one on tv yesterday, but i have no idea which Apr 13 13:19:36 apparently the Adobe Flash player is not in app catalog yet for 1.4.0? Apr 13 13:20:08 not yet Apr 13 13:20:20 swisstomcat: right, i forgot about that (activation country = important for app store) Apr 13 13:20:22 it should be released in the first half of 2010 Apr 13 13:20:43 i can be in germany in 1 hours, hucksy .. that'd be easy Apr 13 13:21:24 hmm. I just put my phone on the dock to charge and it reset. Apr 13 13:21:26 ok Apr 13 13:21:26 I have some app ideas. Apr 13 13:21:35 Need to really finish some up. Apr 13 13:22:15 heard any news about thursday, roy? Apr 13 13:27:14 swisstomcat: Not really. Rick is a go for doing something. Several Palm folks said 'probably' Apr 13 13:27:29 hmm Apr 13 13:27:36 i did not get many replies on my poll Apr 13 13:27:53 but that restaurant you posted seems nice Apr 13 13:31:11 just dinner on thursday then and maybe sightseeing on sat or sun? Apr 13 13:32:11 morning haeffb Apr 13 13:32:43 * sugardave gets ready to teach class. "Live, laptop. Live!" Apr 13 13:32:53 hey sugardave Apr 13 13:33:00 need a new laptop? Apr 13 13:33:31 swisstomcat: Maybe so. Apr 13 13:34:39 I have a new personal one, but the work one is dicey Apr 13 13:34:53 roy: i had only 4 people on the poll, that doesn't help much for planning Apr 13 13:35:37 morning Apr 13 13:36:07 g'day rwhitby Apr 13 13:36:22 it's morning for you AND me? Apr 13 13:36:39 hi ! Apr 13 13:36:42 * sugardave checks his physical location. Apr 13 13:36:56 it's 11pm in adelaide Apr 13 13:37:03 hi warpdesign Apr 13 13:37:50 http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Apr 13 13:38:19 Roy-Pre101: have you read http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/241355-next-generation-kernel-development-packaging.html ? Apr 13 13:38:21 "It states that it is always morning when person comes into a channel, and it is always late night when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. Resistance is futile." Apr 13 13:38:51 tea keeps me sane. Apr 13 13:38:52 mmm. Apr 13 13:39:04 rwhitby: yes, I did Apr 13 13:39:28 Roy-Pre101: the three kernels are ready for alpha testing Apr 13 13:39:51 Excellent. What should we expect out of these new kernels? Apr 13 13:40:32 the webos-internals people are awesome .. i'm going to donate a part of my hot apps price if i stay in the 200 :) Apr 13 13:41:04 Roy-Pre101: we're doing the same thing for kernels as we did for patches Apr 13 13:42:08 ::nods:: I was just wondering what your short term goals for the kernels are? Apr 13 13:42:08 standards, infrastructure, contributions, security review, etc. Apr 13 13:42:22 Moving past the how to the what. Apr 13 13:42:42 Why would my readers care, in other words. Apr 13 13:43:37 oh, we have a unified cpufreq-capable kernel (one kernel, not many, with everything at stock settings at boot, so that it's OTA-safe, and then you use other patches, scripts or apps to choose your settings. Apr 13 13:43:45 that's the first generation. Apr 13 13:44:02 and we have a kernel team working on the second generation of speed and power improvements. Apr 13 13:44:41 but the key short-term goals are to make these things safe for people to leave installed over an OTA update, like we did (and continue to improve on) with patches Apr 13 13:45:07 oh, and you can orange+tap to uninstall the custom kernel - it has it's own icon to allow that Apr 13 13:46:28 very cool Apr 13 13:47:04 Roy-Pre101: but we're mainly focusing on the long term way of doing things, rather than a flash-in-the-pan short term outcome that causes problems down the track when webOS 1.5 comes out Apr 13 13:49:01 i'd say that a speed selector (500/600/720/800) would be nice to have Apr 13 13:49:40 i've uninstalled the 720mhz custom kernel after 1.4.1 came out Apr 13 13:53:58 * rwhitby bbt - night all Apr 13 13:54:55 good night Apr 13 14:07:26 anyone know a way i can let my app know that you just ended a phone call and how long it was? Apr 13 14:19:41 as an official app, bmyers? Apr 13 14:34:53 ello? Apr 13 14:37:44 *echo* Apr 13 14:37:56 ah, inet connection was freaking out Apr 13 14:37:59 thx Apr 13 14:38:11 did this make it out on the ether? Apr 13 14:38:20 anyone know a way i can let my app know that you just ended a phone call and how long it was? Apr 13 14:39:11 uhm Apr 13 14:39:14 not that I can think of Apr 13 14:39:38 at least not anyway for a app catalog app could :p Apr 13 14:39:45 wow I butchered that sentence Apr 13 14:39:54 i hear ya Apr 13 14:39:55 not anyway you could use in an app catalog ap Apr 13 14:39:56 :p Apr 13 14:40:24 yeah Apr 13 14:40:31 no way for an app catalog app Apr 13 14:40:59 not even with the pdk? Apr 13 14:41:36 pdk doesn't gain extra access, so no Apr 13 14:41:52 it gets more stuff on the hardware level, not on a filesystem level Apr 13 14:42:11 you pretty much need access to the phone's call log database Apr 13 14:43:12 you could see how the phone app displays the call log Apr 13 14:44:19 yes, this is for an app in the app catalog as VincentLaw so elliquently put it b4. Apr 13 14:45:13 Palm's been very wary of allowing apps to work with other webOS apps' data. Apr 13 14:45:20 it'd be something to request though Apr 13 14:45:30 synergy. yeah i remember Apr 13 15:04:44 Just put phone on dock. It reset _again_. Apr 13 15:05:22 stock 1.4.0 kernel with some app-space patches. Apr 13 15:05:42 ... from preware. Apr 13 15:14:34 mischko: reset? reboot or just luna restart? Apr 13 15:15:06 swisstomcat, not sure. "palm" logo came up. Apr 13 15:15:31 for how long? do you have to enter your sim pin again? Apr 13 15:16:18 I've never entered a sim pin on this phone. Apr 13 15:16:40 vzw must have done that when I bought it at the store? Apr 13 15:16:56 no sim-pin in that case Apr 13 15:17:03 what's a sim-pin? Apr 13 15:17:09 unlock your sim-card Apr 13 15:17:15 some phones have a pin Apr 13 15:17:24 wait, you're on verizon? Apr 13 15:17:40 yes Apr 13 15:17:47 sim-card is GSM specific and you can lock them with a pin Apr 13 15:18:20 how long does that palm-logo stay glowing? 1-2 min or shorter? Apr 13 15:18:21 That's what I thought. Apr 13 15:18:48 maybe a couple minutes. It's intermittent. I can pay closer attention next time. Apr 13 15:19:01 probably a full reboot then Apr 13 15:19:19 i'd replace the dock first .. or try if it happens on another one too Apr 13 15:20:50 we'll see how things go. Apr 13 15:21:07 I'll see if there's anything in the logs. Apr 13 15:21:20 probably not if it does a full restart Apr 13 15:21:22 but you can check Apr 13 15:28:10 is it possible to lock a webview so it will only scroll vertically? My page renders correctly, and there is nothing to scroll to horizontally, and when I drag up, it mostly stays vertical, but if I drag up at an angle, the view will slid a bit to the right, and then snap back into place. Apr 13 15:28:16 I dont like that Apr 13 15:33:49 lyht: the sum of your divs' widths is probably greater than the width of the device Apr 13 15:34:02 oh webview Apr 13 15:34:03 hrm Apr 13 15:34:03 nvm Apr 13 15:34:44 Yah, I know the stuff is only the screen width, cause it snaps back. Apr 13 15:36:02 I know with standard scroll stuff you can lock...... never used a webview, but I'll look it up Apr 13 15:36:03 one moment Apr 13 15:40:30 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1929&Itemid=307 Apr 13 15:40:47 you can try some of these options on the webview, or maybe wrap the webview in a scroller or something crazy Apr 13 15:57:31 Good morning. Apr 13 16:18:00 Morning Apr 13 16:18:08 murnin Apr 13 16:44:34 morning Apr 13 16:51:22 how do I watch for a shake? Apr 13 16:52:59 found it :) https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554&Itemid=261 if this gets indexed by google this might help someone :) Apr 13 16:57:18 hi thomasschaaf Apr 13 16:58:51 hey swisstomcat I answered :) Apr 13 16:58:57 thanks Apr 13 16:59:09 currently making "<3 dice"... going to be free Apr 13 16:59:25 i'm surprised that the people that answered so far don't really seem to need "local" support Apr 13 16:59:40 I just want some better documentation.. Apr 13 16:59:51 and cheaper app catalog.. Apr 13 16:59:58 I don't want to spam it.. Apr 13 16:59:59 cheaper? Apr 13 17:00:06 its 50 bucks per entry.. Apr 13 17:00:11 i see Apr 13 17:00:30 why not have a community based system which votes apps out of the official app catalog.. Apr 13 17:00:39 would save money.. Apr 13 17:00:59 I can't image that the 50 bucks pays for the guy sitting there and reviewing my app.. Apr 13 17:01:04 the market will decide ... and of course the people that buy/or not buy apps Apr 13 17:01:07 over the course of a year that will be a lot more Apr 13 17:01:28 well my app has like 5k downloads with the one in the appstore Apr 13 17:01:32 at the developer days they'll have a 1:1 session with app reviewers .. will be interesting to see how they work Apr 13 17:01:57 vs 300 in web distri Apr 13 17:02:23 my app is at 45k Apr 13 17:02:50 some of the free ones are at over 500k! Apr 13 17:03:15 nice.. Apr 13 17:03:20 I just have pimaster :( Apr 13 17:03:35 and sqrt(2) and euler and golden ratio Apr 13 17:03:43 how long have they been in the catalog? Apr 13 17:03:44 really a niche app :) Apr 13 17:03:48 7 days Apr 13 17:03:54 and 5k downloads? Apr 13 17:04:00 just pi master yea Apr 13 17:04:10 you should try it :) Apr 13 17:04:33 that's pretty good for 7 days! Apr 13 17:05:08 yea but the guys that have now dled it will be all of them.. Apr 13 17:05:14 not that many pi nerds :P Apr 13 17:05:26 Any way I can just to a specific location in the content of webview? Apr 13 17:05:30 swisstomcat: mind giving me some suggestions on how you'd like to see it improved? Apr 13 17:05:50 lyht: is that a question? Apr 13 17:05:52 sure .. let me download it Apr 13 17:06:07 sorry. Just;jump Apr 13 17:06:11 just=jump Apr 13 17:06:40 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1935&Itemid=313 you could use a div binder Apr 13 17:07:07 so if your domain is http://domain.com and the div you want to scroll to is called bla you do http://domain.com/#bla Apr 13 17:07:14 that should work Apr 13 17:07:55 or setTopMargins I think Apr 13 17:07:56 Thomaschaaf: I will give that a shot. Apr 13 17:08:16 lyht: the official method setTopMargin Apr 13 17:08:23 look for it on the reference page Apr 13 17:09:51 Thomaschaaf: It looks like setTopMargin just puts a margin at the top of the webview, rather than automatically scrolling down to specific part of the content. Apr 13 17:10:12 am I reading that wrong? Apr 13 17:10:35 topMargin Integer Optional none The margin above the web view that is scrolled off the screen when a new page is loaded. Apr 13 17:10:39 that looks good too Apr 13 17:14:42 it looks like #whatever doesn't work (at least for local URLs) Apr 13 17:16:08 I wonder if I can get the scene scroller for the webview. Apr 13 17:16:24 cause then I could use revealElement Apr 13 17:19:04 This would be a bunch easier if I wasn't using WebView. I am only dealing with local files. Anyway to pull a local file into a div of my current scene? Apr 13 17:20:17 mornin Apr 13 17:20:40 Morning pandora-- Apr 13 17:26:20 any way to get to the scroller of a WebView? Apr 13 17:28:20 morning pandora Apr 13 17:30:45 hello box Apr 13 17:34:36 Thomaschaaf: :) Apr 13 17:35:42 pandora--: never saw you here what are your apps? Apr 13 17:36:00 i'm here almost every day! heh Apr 13 17:36:31 my apps are iHate411 and iBored Apr 13 17:36:41 i had Clubber too, but I pulled it off Apr 13 17:36:53 iBored is up today with an app update Apr 13 17:36:57 yeah, pandora-- is like a fixture. Apr 13 17:37:09 :) Apr 13 17:37:20 Kinda a leaky faucet fixture. Apr 13 17:37:21 was part of the pre-release sdk group Apr 13 17:37:26 awwwwwwwwww Apr 13 17:37:28 :D Apr 13 17:37:39 I kid, I kid. Apr 13 17:37:54 hehehe Apr 13 17:48:53 i was part of the pre-release sdk group but didn't bring out my app until after the sdk was release publicly Apr 13 17:49:47 same Apr 13 17:50:13 but today i saw that my first app is on spot #90 in the hot apps leaderboard :) Apr 13 17:50:23 which one? Apr 13 17:50:26 Moo Apr 13 17:50:30 hahah Apr 13 17:50:33 right on Apr 13 17:50:37 you know it? Apr 13 17:51:02 the other two apps are swiss speciality apps in beta Apr 13 17:51:04 it's the cow tipping moo sounds one right? Apr 13 17:51:08 no Apr 13 17:51:11 lol oh Apr 13 17:51:17 link? Apr 13 17:51:20 #90 sounds pretty good. Apr 13 17:51:37 18 animals that you can shake for a sound .. they also have animated eyes Apr 13 17:51:42 ah Apr 13 17:52:02 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.moo Apr 13 17:52:03 i'll load that now. going to see some nieces/nephews this weekend Apr 13 17:52:11 yeah, kids love it Apr 13 17:52:47 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta Apr 13 17:52:52 is the other app in beta right now Apr 13 18:02:57 Man, there has got to be a better way to deal with local files than WebView. Apr 13 18:19:34 anyone have any suggestions? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-04-13_2018.swf Apr 13 18:20:18 i've tested your app and it works well Apr 13 18:20:40 swisstomcat: that's my "new" 20 minute app Apr 13 18:20:49 heh Apr 13 18:20:55 i found a typo in pi master Apr 13 18:20:58 I try to sit down everyday for 20 minutes and write some code Apr 13 18:21:01 sure tell me :) Apr 13 18:21:13 All deine Ziffern sind gehören uns! Apr 13 18:21:33 its the translation of "all your numbers are belong to us!" Apr 13 18:21:37 it's actually correct :) Apr 13 18:21:41 oh Apr 13 18:21:50 but we are going to leave the english version in there in 1.1.4 Apr 13 18:21:55 must have slept through german class then :) Apr 13 18:22:00 (I have that in review right now) Apr 13 18:23:07 swisstomcat: you don't know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg Apr 13 18:24:22 aha Apr 13 18:24:29 swisstomcat: any suggestion for <3 dice? Apr 13 18:24:29 that's where it comes from :) Apr 13 18:25:35 not really Apr 13 18:26:48 you think it's stupid enough that some other person will like it` Apr 13 18:26:51 ? Apr 13 18:26:56 it's fun Apr 13 18:27:08 so people might like it Apr 13 18:27:45 i have never seen a dice like that :( now I have to go though google pictures to analyse every side :D Apr 13 18:35:11 how do I make a :) look like an image? like in the messaging app? is there an official way? Apr 13 18:35:32 or do I have to steel the emotion from somewhere Apr 13 18:38:12 I haven't seen smileys in the messaging app yet, but you could use a UTF-8 character: ☺ Apr 13 18:39:33 hmm Apr 13 18:45:21 wow words like suck sound really bad if you translate it into german :/ Apr 13 18:45:28 maybe I should leave it in english Apr 13 18:49:06 heh Apr 13 18:59:01 anyone had a problem with their "share via facebook" link for videos disappearing? Apr 13 19:08:08 okay <3 dice is on it's way to you :P Apr 13 20:53:20 hey people Apr 13 20:53:26 onla Apr 13 20:53:28 ola Apr 13 20:53:28 styling question Apr 13 20:53:32 heh Apr 13 20:53:40 hair mouse Apr 13 20:53:45 mousse Apr 13 20:53:51 mmmm, mousse Apr 13 20:54:23 i know the newsreader sample does this - overlaps divs Apr 13 20:54:33 but im not sure what im looking for in the styling Apr 13 20:55:06 it also overlays dynamic data on top of an icon Apr 13 20:55:12 that overlaps another icon Apr 13 20:55:38 what do you want to do, exactly? Apr 13 20:55:43 you can overlap stuff using negative margins. Apr 13 20:55:52 is that the key? Apr 13 20:56:05 im just trying to see where he did that in his css Apr 13 20:56:39 also Apr 13 20:56:53 lists rows - moves from right to left? Apr 13 20:57:48 as in the title is usually the last thing in the html Apr 13 20:58:05 its fine - just trying to figure out the reasoning Apr 13 20:59:49 BigBiff: you can overlap by using z-index: Apr 13 21:01:12 ahhhhh - that's cool Apr 13 21:02:19 http://www.w3schools.com/Css/pr_pos_z-index.asp Apr 13 21:04:08 ya, i looked that up right after you said that Apr 13 21:04:42 i said the other day - i need some css boot camp Apr 13 21:04:57 or just hire a good graphic designer Apr 13 21:05:05 i like that option Apr 13 21:05:46 just not practical in helping with my app thats for me and about 4 other people Apr 13 21:05:51 hehe Apr 13 21:07:01 z-index: is pretty straightforward Apr 13 21:07:39 ya Apr 13 21:07:53 i think i was looking for the neg values in the newsreader app Apr 13 21:10:42 z-index: negative values are not necessary unless your apps demands it Apr 13 21:11:48 Hey guys, what is the best way to see how much ram and other resources my app is using? Apr 13 21:14:12 "z-index" pretty much means "layer" so you can start an image at "z-index:0" and text at "z-index:1" and the text would overlay above the image Apr 13 21:14:32 catalystmedia maybe with top? Apr 13 21:14:38 on the command line that is Apr 13 21:15:00 joetweeply: That's what I was thinking, but I have no idea which process is mine haha. Apr 13 21:15:12 oh okay that sucks Apr 13 21:15:31 doesn't the log output maybe state the process id or something? Apr 13 21:16:00 you could make a simple but exhausting calculation in an infinite loop to see the pattern of process naming Apr 13 21:16:16 Hey, guys. I'm having the strangest problem, I can't seem to set the value of a textField. I'm using "this.controller.get('txtIn').mojo.setValue("foo");", and it will only work out of certain parts of the program... Apr 13 21:16:57 gggriso: ummm why not this.controller.get('txln').innerHTML? Apr 13 21:16:58 Hmm I didn't try checking the log for a pid. That could work :) Apr 13 21:17:27 hopefully catalystmedia Apr 13 21:19:05 halfhalo_class: I just tried that, and it did not work at all. Fails silently. Apr 13 21:19:42