**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 19 02:59:56 2010 Apr 19 08:53:34 good morning Apr 19 09:58:32 how can i use inheritance with prototype in webos ? Apr 19 09:58:59 i try this : var Foo = Class.create(Bar, { .... } ); Apr 19 09:59:03 but i've got an error Apr 19 10:00:34 http://www.prototypejs.org/api/class/create Apr 19 10:00:50 should work Apr 19 10:01:23 looking at Palm's own StyleMatters app, the various scene assistants use that Apr 19 10:01:37 JayCanuck: ok Apr 19 10:02:01 for example, StyleMatter's test-assistant.js starts with: Apr 19 10:02:07 TextAssistant = Class.create( SublistAssistantBase, { Apr 19 10:02:09 }); Apr 19 10:08:13 JayCanuck: yes Apr 19 10:08:23 JayCanuck: i try with this http://paste.lisp.org/display/97976 Apr 19 10:08:30 JayCanuck: but i've got an error Apr 19 10:08:49 JayCanuck: if i remove the BikeNetwork super class like : var Smoove = Class.create({ ... Apr 19 10:08:53 JayCanuck: it works Apr 19 10:10:06 odd Apr 19 10:17:33 i ve got this in logs : Apr 19 10:17:33 error: Error: $super is not defined, line undefined, file undefined Apr 19 11:40:16 I can't find the volume control for incoming SMS messages on Pre Plus. Where is that? Apr 19 13:04:30 Is this the right place to ask such questions or shout that be the watercooler? Apr 19 13:09:12 hi all Apr 19 13:09:40 I have a problem with the Xterm-App. I can only type in letters into an Xterm, no numbers or other signs. How can I fix this? Apr 19 13:31:59 RamsesFSFE: is this an xterm on the pre itself? if so, I recommend webos-internals Apr 19 14:20:57 Does anyone know if full erase, just erases everything or will it basically reset the phone after erase so you can log back into your profile Apr 19 14:22:02 destinal-away: thank you Apr 19 15:37:15 Hello, anyone know how to kill the Calendar Service, to test error handling? Apr 19 15:55:03 Whats the new code to activate developer mode Apr 19 15:55:22 Morning Chuq! Apr 19 15:55:30 *chuqui Apr 19 15:55:31 good morning! Apr 19 15:56:00 Do you know the code to activate developer mode? Apr 19 15:56:15 I seemed to have forgotten it and I just saw the doctor Apr 19 15:58:57 CTLAdvance: upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Apr 19 16:00:05 anyone know how to kill and restart the Calendar Service, to test error handling? Apr 19 16:04:04 maybe instal the terminal manager Apr 19 16:04:19 and then kill it that way Apr 19 16:04:24 thanks Apr 19 16:05:40 The "Terminal Manager"? Apr 19 16:14:04 in preware or webos quick install Apr 19 16:14:30 its called terminal, like cmd in windows Apr 19 16:14:47 but your accessing the linux terminal Apr 19 16:15:11 my phone has stopped saving contacts Apr 19 16:15:14 dammit Apr 19 16:15:51 chuqui can we just get a menu option to turn on developer mode. The konami code thing is getting old ;) Apr 19 16:16:35 ctladvance it's in the possbile feature list. Not sure when it might appear Apr 19 16:16:35 there's aq shorter code, but can't remember it Apr 19 16:16:58 the shorter code is webos20090606 Apr 19 16:17:08 dingdingding Apr 19 16:18:02 I'm not a console gamer, so the Konami code was totally unmemorable for me Apr 19 16:19:15 thanks Apr 19 16:34:14 sugardave: you already know too many people Apr 19 16:34:24 no he doesn't. Apr 19 16:34:38 oh, oh Apr 19 16:34:40 fight! Apr 19 16:34:44 * halfhalo_T400 gets some popcorn Apr 19 16:34:46 yes he does! Apr 19 16:35:04 no he doesn't! Apr 19 16:35:50 http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/19/motorcyclist-arrested-for-recording-cop-brandishing-gun-with-hel/#continued Apr 19 16:35:55 * haeffb_pre watches chuqui battle his most formidable opponent yet - chuqui Apr 19 16:36:10 * halfhalo_T400 gives haeffb_pre some popcorn Apr 19 16:36:18 haeffb_pre problem is, I'll probably lose the fight... Apr 19 16:38:33 once again, bored in my java class Apr 19 16:43:16 oohhh Apr 19 16:43:24 "Non Linear Data Structues" Apr 19 16:43:29 how fun Apr 19 16:49:03 you're taking a class on java? Apr 19 16:49:24 how about a class on "how to convince your management to never use java. ever." Apr 19 16:51:25 We're contemplating using Java from JRuby. Seems "ok" thus far. Apr 19 16:53:34 heh Apr 19 16:53:42 its a class for credits Apr 19 16:54:58 chuqui do they let you play with new devices? Like ones that you cant confirm nor deny exist? ;) Apr 19 16:55:18 if they do, I couldn't confirm nor deny that they do. Apr 19 16:56:01 har Apr 19 16:56:15 nice Apr 19 18:00:36 Any word regarding the SMS exploit? Apr 19 18:00:42 ( http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/177219/Palm-WebOS-Hacked-Via-SMS-Messages ) Apr 19 18:02:09 if those are the ones that were fixed in 1.4, they were fixed in 1.4 :) Apr 19 18:02:37 ya, those are the ones Apr 19 18:02:42 gg, slashdot Apr 19 18:02:57 oh good. i scanned the articles but didn't see anything regarding the version Apr 19 18:03:57 oooh i see. the researchers disclosed them specifically so they could be fixed in 1.4 Apr 19 18:03:58 ya, a friend of mine started digging and saw that intrepidus agreed to release that information after 1.4 was released Apr 19 18:04:02 ok ok, system works, nothing to see here. Apr 19 18:04:03 ya Apr 19 18:04:04 :D Apr 19 18:04:06 heh Apr 19 18:04:30 Sorry to be a bother :P Apr 19 18:04:41 perhaps adding to the !topic would be advised >.> Apr 19 18:04:50 any idea when webos will be hardware accelerated ? Apr 19 18:05:14 seems like there are 3d apps which use acceleration but the main ui doesn't seem to be accelerated Apr 19 18:06:00 i suppose there isn't much need for a 3d-accelerated UI Apr 19 18:06:25 it would probably be a bigger drain on the battery Apr 19 18:06:51 well, is that a problem for the iphone ? Apr 19 18:07:06 last time I heard the iphone didn't run less longer than the pre Apr 19 18:08:35 i guess that brings me back to "what's the point?" Apr 19 18:08:49 other than to say you have a phone OS that has a 3d-accelerated interface Apr 19 18:12:55 well, it's not about saying "it has 3d accelration" Apr 19 18:13:03 it's about having a not sluggish interface Apr 19 18:13:16 when compared with the iphone it's sluggish.. Apr 19 18:13:52 not to mention freeing the cpu would give something more responsive.. Apr 19 18:13:56 but again: who cares ? Apr 19 18:14:44 well it would definitely be nice to have a more responsive UI Apr 19 18:14:49 800MHz patch for the win though Apr 19 18:15:26 one was to wonder though, which would be a bigger drain on the batter, a faster CPU or dedicated graphics hardware? Apr 19 18:15:30 my guess is the latter, but i'm no expert Apr 19 18:15:49 I'm not sure Apr 19 18:15:54 look at the iphone.. Apr 19 18:15:57 the interesting point is that the faster cpu seems to make less battery drain Apr 19 18:16:24 the dedicated graphics hardware should not be that consuming - as long as you don't use it wisely Apr 19 18:16:32 less? i've definitely not noticed an increased battery drain, but i guess i haven't paid attention to see if it's less of a drain Apr 19 18:45:47 heyo Apr 19 18:51:24 what's... happening Apr 19 19:11:37 Roy-Pre101: clear your cache and you should see Ares v1.0: http://www.precentral.net/project-ares-hits-10-adds-components-undo-more Apr 19 19:13:39 OK. Apr 19 19:16:34 wootwoot Apr 19 19:16:37 lemketron-away: It's like magic! Apr 19 19:16:42 going to the Valve e3 event Apr 19 19:44:36 It be dead in here.... Apr 19 19:46:42 webOS is dead. hadn't you heard? Apr 19 19:47:43 ah Apr 19 19:47:46 that esplains it Apr 19 19:51:59 I tawt I tah a putty cat Apr 19 20:09:23 Anyone using Firefox with Ares? Apr 19 20:14:15 makes me wonder, anybody using ares? Apr 19 20:16:19 half of the navigation isnt working in firefox Apr 19 20:16:39 Still can't use Ares for crap... Apr 19 20:16:42 maybe not half but I cant click on a bunch of stuff, and down arrows in menus dont work Apr 19 20:17:00 Its better than it was though Apr 19 20:17:01 in other news: Stupid amazon isn't going to deliver my zune car kit until thursday Apr 19 20:17:09 Which is the day I'm driving up to SF Apr 19 20:19:17 chuqui Apr 19 20:21:07 arg Apr 19 20:35:28 good evening Apr 19 20:43:34 hmmm.. anyone ever tried 3d games like need for speed ? Apr 19 20:47:44 I have assasins creed, lets gold, and xplane Apr 19 20:47:50 lets golf Apr 19 20:48:20 I played the other racing game as well Apr 19 20:48:24 ok Apr 19 20:48:32 they arent bad Apr 19 20:48:35 can you tell me: what happens when you receive a phonecall while playing ? Apr 19 20:49:18 it is supposed to pause the game and open phone app Apr 19 20:49:50 the card minimizes Apr 19 20:50:03 so its up to the dev on what the app does Apr 19 20:50:13 ok, so the app is notified about the phone call ? Apr 19 20:51:16 well more like the os minimizes the card forcing an action handler in the app-assistant, which the dev should have programmed to pause the game when the app loses focus Apr 19 20:51:51 ok, I see Apr 19 20:52:00 I'd like to be notified of phone calls for my JS app Apr 19 20:52:11 problem is it isn't minimified when a call is received Apr 19 20:52:18 so I don't get any notification Apr 19 20:52:29 unless the user decides to answer his call of course Apr 19 20:52:41 but the time he wonders what to do is enough for him to loose the game.. Apr 19 20:52:53 seems like there's no way to get notified about calls.. Apr 19 20:53:13 you might be able to listen for it Apr 19 20:53:21 but I am not sure Apr 19 20:53:26 I can't Apr 19 20:53:32 tried everything I could Apr 19 20:53:38 I would just make sure there is a quick way to pause it Apr 19 20:53:42 focus/blur, resize (but the window isn't resied in fullscreen) Apr 19 20:55:11 you cant get rid of the phonecall notification Apr 19 20:55:25 they have to accept or ignore it Apr 19 20:55:37 at least that I am aware of Apr 19 20:56:45 I don't want to get rid of it Apr 19 20:56:51 I want to be notified about it Apr 19 20:56:56 and go to pause mode Apr 19 20:57:03 until the app is restored/gets the focus Apr 19 20:58:40 can anyone tell me in a list-selector widget on selection of some element which event gets called Apr 19 21:01:26 Ok, I guess there's no way.. Apr 19 21:19:24 hey Apr 19 21:19:32 hi Apr 19 21:21:20 what's up? Apr 19 21:22:20 ping roy-pre101 Apr 19 21:42:43 hey webosiers Apr 19 21:43:11 hey Apr 19 21:43:11 is it better to use webkit-tranitions to animate a div moving onscreen? or use mojo.animate? Apr 19 21:43:30 transitions i should say Apr 19 21:44:07 or is that practically the same thing Apr 19 23:24:10 at long last Apr 19 23:24:17 my app is running in the emulator.. Apr 19 23:33:00 hmm, i've setup usbnet and established a connection to the pc...but still, no traffic Apr 19 23:33:41 k[-: would you expect there to be traffic? Apr 19 23:34:09 after using dhclient against usb0, yea..i guess Apr 19 23:35:21 k[-: nope Apr 19 23:35:29 i need bluetooth? Apr 19 23:35:40 unless you have dhcp set up on your pre, and ip tables settings to ip forward Apr 19 23:35:44 (i assume you're trying to tether?) Apr 19 23:35:54 if ping 192.168.0.202 works, then you /do/ have traffic Apr 19 23:38:33 yep.. Apr 19 23:39:08 so... google around for an iptables command involving the word "MASQUERADE" .... OR, download freetether from the testing feeds and flip the "ip forwarding" toggle Apr 19 23:39:32 well, the ip obtained is 192.168.0.{31,33},12h and yes, ssh/ping works to ip 192.168.0.202 . and i am trying to tether. Apr 19 23:39:53 Right, so everything is working. You are connected to your Pre. Apr 19 23:40:09 But the Pre gets EVDO/internet from a different interface, not usb0 Apr 19 23:40:11 usb0 is how it's connected to you Apr 19 23:40:24 so you need to forward the traffic from where it's getting the internet, to how it's connected to your computer Apr 19 23:40:27 rmnet0 ? Apr 19 23:40:47 sounds complicated Apr 19 23:40:56 i have no idea, but it's been done 82349829834 times, so i'm imagining the 1 magic iptables command is out there somewhere Apr 19 23:41:07 it really isn't complicated. If you want it to be easy, enable testing feed in preware, download freetether Apr 19 23:41:59 zsoc: ftw, i have pixi (nowifi), and thanks... Apr 19 23:42:20 yeah, should be fine on a pixi, actually better, because you can't accidentally leave your wifi on lol Apr 19 23:42:40 lolz Apr 19 23:43:25 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE Apr 19 23:43:27 that'll probably work Apr 19 23:43:28 maybe Apr 19 23:49:12 hmm, someone else had: $ vi /etc/ifconfig/if-up :: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o rmnet0 -j MASQUERADE Apr 19 23:49:49 which interface does ifconfig show? Apr 19 23:50:17 local or palm? Apr 19 23:50:23 palm Apr 19 23:50:46 rmnet0,usb0,usb0:1 Apr 19 23:51:04 but for this, rmnet0 Apr 19 23:51:45 ok then, rmnet0 looks good Apr 19 23:52:39 ok.say how about the option type network address translation: "-t nat" Apr 19 23:52:51 oops: s/ok.say// Apr 19 23:53:06 * zsoc shrugs Apr 19 23:53:30 probably a good idea Apr 19 23:54:19 sry ={: it's bitchx -- i swear ( speaking of bitchx, palm should've ported some.. and links2 as well ) :: anywho, ok, so after i run the update i'll give this all a shot. thanks again zsoc. Apr 19 23:54:22 grenade? Apr 19 23:56:22 np Apr 19 23:56:22 GRENADA! Apr 19 23:57:04 I know Apr 19 23:58:53 hmm, i got my very first email today... that's odd... ( being that no one really knows _this_ ) Apr 19 23:59:19 emails regarding your app? Apr 19 23:59:28 the last two of those I got were hatemail Apr 20 00:01:42 halfhalo_T400: no, but honestly.. blue at dick dot com Apr 20 00:04:31 ha Apr 20 00:05:32 sent to /var/mail/nobody... which is strange in other words... idk... Apr 20 00:39:22 preware for freetether: install failed: ErrorGenericMethodException Apr 20 00:39:58 k[-: and the real error is? Apr 20 00:41:06 oops.. Error: cannot satisfy the following dependencies for us.ryanhope.freetethrd "\n" us.ryanhope.freetethrd Apr 20 00:44:46 k[-: sounds like you don't have both URLs installed for the testing feed. Read the wiki page again. Apr 20 00:44:54 * rwhitby bbl Apr 20 00:51:27 woot Apr 20 00:51:37 my app tracking is almost caught up.. im only off by 6 installs Apr 20 00:55:18 both urls? : i thought that since 0.9.30 -- custom feeds are now possible within preware Apr 20 00:56:30 rwhitby: nvm Apr 20 01:28:16 Hi all Apr 20 01:28:50 hey JenP Apr 20 01:29:06 hey haeffb how's it going? Apr 20 01:30:22 going great. Apr 20 01:30:26 Got Done in preware. Apr 20 01:30:54 oh that's wonderful. Sorry I couldnt be much help...working long hours Apr 20 01:31:10 sush all of you Apr 20 01:31:13 watching ateam on hulu Apr 20 01:31:42 smiles...hi halfhalo_T400 Apr 20 01:32:01 the ATeam? Apr 20 01:32:09 with Mr. T? Apr 20 01:32:55 JenP: you can still help. don't give up now! Apr 20 01:33:35 smiles..haeffb: I'm still at work. Hoping to call it a 13 hour day soon... Apr 20 01:34:18 As is I found out I'll also be working the weekend. So no dev con for me...;-( Apr 20 01:34:37 gahhhh...bummer. Apr 20 01:35:23 yeah...but what do you have going on? That I can help with? Apr 20 01:36:01 Just generally anything. Looks. How it works. Apr 20 01:36:24 but, it's not a big deal if you're busy...I have a few people on Precentral giving feedback now. Apr 20 01:36:37 kk. I'll play with it tomorrow. How's the feedback...lol...we think a like Apr 20 01:37:05 so far so good. Apr 20 01:37:17 well it looks really good Apr 20 01:38:10 putting new version on precentral with a couple of bugfixes as we speak. Apr 20 01:41:30 * haeffb in rapid app development mode... Apr 20 01:47:45 Time to head home. TTYL Apr 20 01:51:36 ok, so tethering is f'ng me Apr 20 01:51:40 * k[- now gives up... Apr 20 01:53:43 k[-: install freetether Apr 20 01:54:11 i have, and enabled dhcp Apr 20 01:54:27 ...nothing.. Apr 20 01:55:30 ip forwarding on? Apr 20 01:55:32 this is debianOS with and i'm trying to do it with usb... so idk.. Apr 20 01:55:42 on freetether, yea Apr 20 01:55:48 just set a static ip for your host usb0 Apr 20 01:59:47 any advantages to freetether over the verizon one? Apr 20 02:00:09 freetether is a very simple straight forward ip forward enabling app/service Apr 20 02:01:44 I'm kinda waiting to see my bill before I try the verizon one... see if there's any proof to the promotion that the sales guy said I was getting (free wifi hotspot as long as I have the phone) Apr 20 02:02:02 so from scratch:: "enable dhcp/nat on mobile device" > $ ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.[some-number] > "and the connection _should_ exist? Apr 20 02:19:32 k[-: Did you disable WiFi as instructed? Apr 20 02:20:42 Anyone know how to split into two people so I can go through both tracks at the developer day? Apr 20 02:20:56 /usr/sbin/wifidriver wifi-off ??? Apr 20 02:21:38 and this is pixi(sprint) not verizon so i have no wifi. Apr 20 02:24:29 so probably doesn't hurt to run "/usr/sbin/wifidriver wifi-off" Apr 20 02:24:50 Roy - which sessions are you most interested in at dev day. just curious Apr 20 02:28:06 * k[- is looking at /etc/pmnetconfig/iptables-usbnetmode.conf Apr 20 02:28:11 config* Apr 20 02:43:45 mattsmcnulty: Hey Matt. Apr 20 02:44:11 Sorry, was AFK a bit there. Apr 20 02:44:17 No worries Apr 20 02:44:24 Let's see... You're not teaching any so I can't tease you about skipping that one. Apr 20 02:44:49 I spent the weekend in DC at jsconf and my parents are in town this weekend, so I am sending all my team members to teach instead Apr 20 02:45:15 small chance I'll pop down for an hour or so the first day Apr 20 02:45:30 Effective JavaScript for the first slot, think I'll go UI for #2, PDK hybrid for #3 (though the second track is tempting) Apr 20 02:45:41 Yeah, I was really sad. I live in DC and I couldn't get tickets to JSConf. Apr 20 02:45:51 Wrote to Dion and asked if you guys had spare tickets but never heard back. :/ Apr 20 02:46:07 jsconf is super small Apr 20 02:46:47 The first after-lunch is the tough one. Want to see about marketing but game development is too big a draw. Apr 20 02:46:59 I got back at about 2am this morning, then drove to work at 6am to finish writing the ares tutorial and push the button Apr 20 02:47:12 Good work on that. I'm writing an article about the release now. Apr 20 02:47:16 thanks Apr 20 02:47:18 Anything you want to say? Apr 20 02:47:24 no comment ;-) Apr 20 02:47:27 I'd love a quote. Apr 20 02:47:55 "Palm's own Matt McNulty says about Project Ares: 'no comment'" Apr 20 02:47:55 you know derick mains in PR? Apr 20 02:48:03 yes. Apr 20 02:48:10 he can hook it up Apr 20 02:48:14 but I can't without him Apr 20 02:48:36 Can you tell me something you said at jsconf that I can use? :P Apr 20 02:48:40 ha Apr 20 02:49:14 I dunno, I was fairly hung over Apr 20 02:49:33 second after lunch: Going to stages, notifications and dashboards. There just isn't very much good info out there. Although the gobico presentation is really tempting, too. Apr 20 02:49:39 actually I was mostly jet lagged. 10am east coast time after flying in the night before Apr 20 02:50:03 yeah, that's a harsh trip. I'll be flying out Sunday night at 10:00 and getting in to DC at 6. ouch. Apr 20 02:50:20 not sure when they post the videos from jsconf Apr 20 02:50:46 third after lunch track is a toss-up. not sure yet. Last one... not sure there either. Apr 20 02:51:40 3d vs facebook, you mean? Apr 20 02:51:48 yep Apr 20 02:52:05 neither work for me ;-) Apr 20 02:52:12 heh Apr 20 02:52:30 both quality engineers, I'd be pretty split on it too Apr 20 02:52:31 Maybe you can get them to switch the one I can't choose between to that slot Apr 20 02:52:35 :) Apr 20 02:53:08 * rwhitby wishes he could attend :( Apr 20 02:53:21 We'll miss you, Rod. Apr 20 02:53:38 I'll pour a beer out for you. Well, into a glass anyhow, then drink it. Apr 20 02:53:58 Roy-Pre101: salut Apr 20 02:54:29 mattsmcnulty: Guess you won't make the mixer Sat. night. Apr 20 02:54:45 very slight chance Apr 20 02:54:52 I live up in SF, so it's a ways away Apr 20 02:56:10 Though the Tied House is fun Apr 20 02:57:15 We were going to shoot for a Thursday night get-together there but this would be a little too much tied house. We need a second venue. Will be flying in to SF on Thursday so will probably do a little sightseeing there and then head to Sunnyvale. Apr 20 02:57:37 afk - phone Apr 20 02:57:53 (must not be on the Pre or else he could multitask) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 20 03:00:03 2010