**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 20 03:00:03 2010 Apr 20 03:06:45 hey all Apr 20 03:07:11 pandora--: howdy. Apr 20 03:07:15 * rwhitby loves the Tied House Apr 20 03:07:32 I lived in Mountain View for a year back in 1991 Apr 20 03:09:31 nice. Apr 20 03:09:39 i'll be up there again next week i think Apr 20 03:09:58 spending the day at the nokia office Apr 20 03:25:39 There, Ares article done. Apr 20 03:30:42 almost done Apr 20 03:31:57 Roy: We could do something in downtown Sunnyvale Thursday night... Apr 20 03:32:05 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/04/palms-project-ares-1-0-now-live/ Apr 20 03:32:21 lemketron: Sounds good! What's down there? Apr 20 03:33:21 the only place I've been in Sunnyvale was a ramen noodle restaurant (which was amazingly good). Apr 20 03:34:59 Lots of places... brewery: http://www.firehousegrill.com/ mediteranean: http://www.dishdash.net/ american: http://dinetarragon.com/ italian: http://ilpostale.com/ chinese, mexican, thai, and more... Apr 20 03:35:37 See also http://www.downtownsunnyvale.com/dir/cats.php Apr 20 03:35:52 oh yeah, there's German too. Apr 20 03:36:51 lived here 20 years, maybe I should go there sometime... http://www.yelp.com/biz/hardys-bavaria-sunnyvale Apr 20 03:37:46 German. Heh, I wonder how swisstomcat will feel about leaving Switzerland and coming to CA to eat German food. Apr 20 03:38:26 DC is a great food city but there is really no good Italian food here. It is sad. Apr 20 03:39:35 Il Postale is great; Gumbas is another choice: http://www.yelp.com/biz/gumbas-cafe-italian-restaurant-and-pizzeria-sunnyvale Apr 20 03:40:14 But the decision also depends on how many people are interested... Apr 20 03:41:02 yeah, we can't get a good headcount. Apr 20 03:41:15 We have three confirmed non-Palm people. Apr 20 03:41:38 With that few we could do anything. Apr 20 03:41:45 I suspect we'll pick up more though. Apr 20 03:41:57 Unless you guys are bringing a crowd. Apr 20 03:43:02 BTW, if you're a baseball fan, you have to get "Baseball Live!" on your Pre. Very well done. Apr 20 03:43:17 Roy-Pre101: I expect jacques will also want to join you Apr 20 03:43:49 (jacques and swisstomcat are representing WebOS Internals at the developer days) Apr 20 03:44:45 howdy guys Apr 20 03:45:10 jacques: bonjour. Apr 20 03:45:37 rwhitby: good deal Apr 20 03:45:55 This will be a very exciting few days. Apr 20 03:46:20 Roy-Pre101: swisstomcat is going to be picking up a 2nd-hand developer sprint pre that we've arranged for him while he is in the US. Apr 20 03:47:10 we've been lucky enough with generous community donations to be able to afford to purchase ~$180 2nd hand developer devices for the core WebOS Internals team Apr 20 03:47:18 (8 so far) Apr 20 03:48:08 Yep, I read that. Apr 20 03:48:16 I'm debating getting a dev-only phone myself. Apr 20 03:48:17 we believe that is the best way to funnel the donations back into hardware which is then used for further open source community development Apr 20 03:48:40 (after all the other server expenses are paid of course) Apr 20 03:48:47 Too true. Apr 20 03:49:37 lemketron: Are you guys planning to leave a dev phone at Tied House on Saturday? Apr 20 03:50:05 lol. I don't think I'll bring ANY phones with me. Apr 20 03:50:32 I swear, Apple is a genius at this controlled leak stuff. Apr 20 03:50:43 I heard BillG left a "Kin" phone at a bar... (and it's still there). Ba-dum-bum. Apr 20 03:51:21 (heard on twitter... not my joke.) Apr 20 03:52:32 (think we'll ever really know what happened?) Apr 20 03:53:44 If Apple sues Gizmodo then maybe. If not, no. Apr 20 03:54:44 That poor engineer on gizmodo with the leak Apr 20 03:54:50 I mean seriously - that story is terrifying Apr 20 03:54:56 if true Apr 20 03:55:17 no way did they intend this Apr 20 03:58:37 Nice article Roy - thanks Apr 20 04:01:07 Glad you liked it. Apr 20 04:01:33 tried to say something other than '1.0 was released, enjoy' Apr 20 04:05:10 yeah, if I had known my docs would have been quoted all day, I would have spent more than 10 minutes writing the "what's new" doc ;-) Apr 20 04:14:15 sleep time. night all Apr 20 04:56:27 * k[- bangs head against desk--repeatedly Apr 20 04:56:39 why.... Apr 20 05:05:25 k[-: That's really bad for your desk. Apr 20 05:26:36 hello friends Apr 20 05:28:43 hola Apr 20 05:30:36 hey halfhalo_t400, you're in socal right? Apr 20 05:31:24 si Apr 20 05:33:05 That question wasn't going anywhere, I was just trying to remember. So, you going to be at PDD for both days? Apr 20 05:33:16 si Apr 20 05:34:05 awesome. Apr 20 05:37:54 halfhalo_T400: Going to make a thursday night get-together? Apr 20 05:38:08 Also: Go write something on webos101.com Apr 20 05:38:14 depends on when my friends class gets out Apr 20 05:38:40 it looks like i won't though, Apr 20 05:38:54 has the thursday night meet solidified yet> Apr 20 05:38:56 ? Apr 20 05:39:00 looks like I would leave LA at 4:30 Apr 20 05:41:18 Although I DO have my radar detector hooked up... Apr 20 05:43:12 jacques: Not yet, I will tweet about it so follow me on Twitter. Apr 20 05:43:24 Roy-Pre101, ok, thanks Apr 20 05:43:28 That sounds like shameless promotion there! Apr 20 05:43:33 Good job! Apr 20 05:43:40 (I'm assuming he already follows me) Apr 20 05:43:42 ;) Apr 20 05:44:10 Everyone knows I'm a font of information. Apr 20 05:44:18 lulz Apr 20 05:44:25 is everyone going to the saturday night mixer as well? Apr 20 05:44:25 (I'm just not sure if I'm Serif or Sans Serif) Apr 20 05:44:42 definitely. Apr 20 05:45:03 yeah, although im stuck with non-alcololic crap Apr 20 05:45:52 same here, i plan on driving back saturday evening. although the more i think about it the stupider it sounds. Apr 20 05:46:03 I will still be there saturday night (leaving sunday) Apr 20 05:46:15 going up thurs comming back sn Apr 20 05:48:45 HOPEFULLY there won't be any traffic on thursday Apr 20 05:49:00 on the 5? Apr 20 05:49:07 yeah Apr 20 05:49:16 and the 118 as well Apr 20 05:50:05 The 118 i can deal with and just take surface streets, and i can make it to magic mountain on the old road before having to get on the 5 Apr 20 05:50:39 halfhalo_T400: There are sub-surface streets or have you guys got flying cars now? Apr 20 05:51:25 my car flys Apr 20 05:51:33 surface streets and highways Apr 20 05:51:35 drive a delorean? Apr 20 05:52:01 highlander! Apr 20 05:54:05 hah, the Ares Google Map / GPS demo is stupid easy. three lines of code. Apr 20 05:54:39 Good show, Palm. Apr 20 05:55:54 that's funkay. Apr 20 05:56:34 And now, sleep. Apr 20 05:57:11 eww Apr 20 05:57:12 sleep Apr 20 05:57:19 when theres the ateam on hulu... Apr 20 05:57:30 haha. Apr 20 05:57:53 Now I have the A-Team theme running in my head. Apr 20 05:58:01 :p Apr 20 05:58:11 planning to see the losers on sat sometime Apr 20 05:58:24 ? Apr 20 05:58:33 its a movie Apr 20 05:58:34 the losers looks good. Apr 20 05:58:39 looks to be a better ateam Apr 20 05:59:00 speaking of ateam, how'd the figure liam neeson would be a good hannibal? Apr 20 05:59:09 I don't know Apr 20 05:59:18 but looks decent Apr 20 05:59:33 losers looks much better Apr 20 05:59:45 Ah, I haven't kept on movies. Apr 20 05:59:52 *kept up Apr 20 06:00:02 I have a 4 year old. I never get to go out. Apr 20 06:00:03 go look up the trailers Apr 20 06:03:20 it is settled Apr 20 06:03:27 we shall see the losers on saturday Apr 20 06:03:53 OK, that looks good Apr 20 06:03:58 that's not a nice way to talk about palm devs =:-o Apr 20 06:04:07 tsk tsk Apr 20 06:04:11 ohh, good one jbrett Apr 20 06:04:15 jacques, i mean Apr 20 06:04:16 He's talking about the jquery folks Apr 20 06:04:18 lol Apr 20 06:04:49 I don't want to miss the tied house. Apr 20 06:04:58 we go AFTER Apr 20 06:05:02 tied house? Apr 20 06:05:18 that's where the mixer's gonna be. Apr 20 06:06:28 See, either they let people under 21 into tied house, which is a win, or they don't and my friend and I go see a movie, which is a win Apr 20 06:06:36 mixer? am I the only computer geek who's an introvert? Apr 20 06:07:04 jacques you're not going to the mixer? Apr 20 06:07:29 dpivs, oh, I'll probably go :-) Apr 20 06:07:36 halfhalo_T400: How old? And, it's a restaurant, so I'm sure you can get in Apr 20 06:07:57 steakhouse? Apr 20 06:07:58 jacques: That's why alcohol will be involved! Apr 20 06:08:05 hooray for alcohol. Apr 20 06:08:24 Roy-Pre101, alcohol helps immensely :-) Apr 20 06:08:26 Not a big fan of alcohol Apr 20 06:08:27 in a non-heavy machinery operating environment, that is. Apr 20 06:08:31 for one maine reason Apr 20 06:08:41 anyone care to guess Apr 20 06:08:43 ? Apr 20 06:09:10 You said 'maine' so I'm guessing it has something to do with the east coast. Apr 20 06:09:20 no, that was my dog Apr 20 06:09:26 your dog is named 'maine'? Apr 20 06:09:33 Or he's typing for you? Apr 20 06:09:38 he stuck his head on my laptop Apr 20 06:09:44 likely story... Apr 20 06:09:54 ;) Apr 20 06:09:55 its due to the fact that I like to drive Apr 20 06:09:57 alot Apr 20 06:09:59 and fast Apr 20 06:10:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog Apr 20 06:10:33 no-one asked for your opinion palm-boy! Apr 20 06:10:36 :p Apr 20 06:10:41 * halfhalo_T400 kids.... Apr 20 06:10:56 :-) Apr 20 06:11:40 heh. Apr 20 06:11:41 finally got my radar detector hooked up again as well, which should help Apr 20 06:11:58 geez, these palm guys must never sleep. Apr 20 06:12:48 ha Apr 20 06:12:55 its only 11:12 here in CA Apr 20 06:13:43 nah, we sleep for a few hours, typically between 4am and 7am Apr 20 06:13:46 maybe i should rephrase to 'never know when to stop working', i'm in CA too, haha. Apr 20 06:13:46 o_0 halfhalo_T400: what part? Apr 20 06:13:58 Im near LA Apr 20 06:14:25 then be _Very_ descriptive Apr 20 06:14:31 ? Apr 20 06:14:39 if you're off the 118 are you in simi valley then? Apr 20 06:14:46 or sylmar Apr 20 06:14:53 naw, but picking up my friend in simi Apr 20 06:15:06 118 is a little off... perhaps even ventura... Apr 20 06:15:11 I live above the 118 but to the right of the 5 Apr 20 06:15:22 before or after magic mountain? Apr 20 06:15:28 "the right" ? Apr 20 06:15:35 halfhalo_T400: you're from sylmar Apr 20 06:15:39 less than a mile above the 118 Apr 20 06:15:45 and no, im not from sylmar Apr 20 06:15:47 so you have to go west on the 118, then come back to the 5, just to pick up your friend when you go up on thursday? Apr 20 06:15:49 lolz Apr 20 06:16:12 yup, thats what I normally would do Apr 20 06:16:18 except not this time Apr 20 06:16:32 you didn't go to csub, no? Apr 20 06:16:42 csulb? Apr 20 06:16:51 dpivs: huge difference Apr 20 06:16:55 118 to balboa-> old road Apr 20 06:16:57 that's long beach Apr 20 06:16:59 and I go to csun Apr 20 06:17:15 shit... that's what i meant Apr 20 06:17:17 csun Apr 20 06:17:53 haha i thought it was a typo, didn't realize there was a csu in bakersfield. but then i don't know where a lot of csu's are. Apr 20 06:18:00 i knew a few heads from up there Apr 20 06:18:08 theres a csu in bakersfield? Apr 20 06:18:10 wow why are we all talking LA freeways here?? Apr 20 06:18:11 or Berkley... (( norcal )) Apr 20 06:18:15 * pandora-- lives in los angeles Apr 20 06:18:21 pandora... where fromz? Apr 20 06:18:28 LAX Apr 20 06:18:33 on the runway pretty much Apr 20 06:18:38 lolz Apr 20 06:18:42 :P Apr 20 06:18:47 i was just at the four points last week... Apr 20 06:18:57 what about you? Apr 20 06:19:09 pandora-- me? Apr 20 06:19:20 ooooo Apr 20 06:19:23 sorry Apr 20 06:19:35 ja Apr 20 06:20:02 when i was growing up i lived in baldwin hills... labrea/overhill driver... (( labrea/rodeo )) or if you're still confused -- the hills of kenneth hahn park (( la cienega/rodeo )) Apr 20 06:20:40 but now i'm in riverside =(... 115/91 interchange... but i still go out there every week...(( driving 92mph in fast track )) =P Apr 20 06:20:47 s/115/15/ Apr 20 06:21:25 ewww Apr 20 06:21:26 15 Apr 20 06:21:48 the san bernandino freeway rox.. Apr 20 06:22:02 ha Apr 20 06:22:11 i miss driving on freeways Apr 20 06:22:23 got such great mpg..... Apr 20 06:22:39 low on police track points as well =P.. unlike the 405/10 => 405/110 Apr 20 06:23:37 driving to school i think i get 12mpg... Apr 20 06:23:40 hehe nice Apr 20 06:24:56 SUPPOSEDLY my car gets 26mpg on the freeway Apr 20 06:24:58 pandora--: last Q. : what HS? Apr 20 06:25:01 highschool* Apr 20 06:25:05 have never seen that happen Apr 20 06:25:18 do you have the latest highlander or one of the ones from a few years back? Apr 20 06:25:29 2003 v6 limited AWD Apr 20 06:25:55 hey Apr 20 06:26:02 * bhuey might show up for dev days Apr 20 06:26:14 you register? Apr 20 06:26:25 the more the merrier. Apr 20 06:26:38 oh yeah, do they still have space at this point? Apr 20 06:26:53 not on the first day Apr 20 06:27:04 topic Apr 20 06:27:15 is palm gone yet? Apr 20 06:27:27 yup Apr 20 06:27:41 k[-: went to HS in norcal Apr 20 06:27:54 pandora--: ooz, ok Apr 20 06:27:55 anyone mess with canvas in webos? Apr 20 06:28:05 nope Apr 20 06:28:18 k[-: born/raised in LA, but JHS/HS in norcal. weird Apr 20 06:29:01 pandora--: i've seen weird'er... Apr 20 06:33:19 bbl Apr 20 06:33:30 sleepytime and i have class early tomorro Apr 20 06:34:59 btw if anyone's in or near the OC area, i'm holding a webOS dev meeting in fullerton on wednesday. Apr 20 06:36:19 pandora--: Dodgers or Giants? Apr 20 06:36:47 lol Apr 20 06:36:53 dodgers :) Apr 20 06:37:16 good answer. :-) (I grew up in SB and still can't imagine cheering for the Giants) Apr 20 06:49:22 zsoc: ftr, wan information in freetether just says (null) . it really must be the pixi by sprint Apr 20 06:58:57 eww, i just succeeded off luck.. *spit**spit* Apr 20 07:02:08 later fellas Apr 20 07:09:44 actually, i think the mobile device enters 'low power' mode after a few seconds then sleeps. So that would actually disable most of the device's io. hmm, might have fell for the oldest "_think_" in the book Apr 20 07:09:51 anyways, night guys... Apr 20 09:44:17 morning Apr 20 10:02:15 hi Apr 20 10:04:00 swisstomcat: Palm french release dated Apr 20 10:04:12 hi warpdesign Apr 20 10:04:15 and priced Apr 20 10:04:15 28th? Apr 20 10:04:30 27th, internet only, 11 may, in (sfr) stores Apr 20 10:05:29 very good Apr 20 10:05:37 any more inside information at SFR? Apr 20 10:06:53 29e for the pixi, 99e for the pre Apr 20 10:07:06 (when subscribing at sfr of course) Apr 20 10:07:49 any word about an unlocked version? Apr 20 10:08:54 there will be Apr 20 10:09:14 price is around 400/450 euro in this case, don't remember Apr 20 10:09:35 have to check with O2/vodaphone when it comes out Apr 20 10:11:50 how is your app coming along? Apr 20 10:17:12 good Apr 20 10:17:30 still a lot of things to do but it's coming up nicely Apr 20 10:17:45 problem is I can't test a lot of things without a true phone Apr 20 10:20:12 true Apr 20 10:20:16 let me know if i can help Apr 20 10:27:06 I will probably need some test, to see how the application behaves on a real phone Apr 20 10:27:22 but i want to make some more progress in the app for that Apr 20 10:27:32 I'm working on pixi support now Apr 20 10:30:29 yeah, i have to do that too for my app Apr 20 10:30:40 maybe i'll have time when i'm over in the US Apr 20 10:48:45 yes Apr 20 10:49:00 but I have everything ready for that Apr 20 10:49:06 I'll do some tests this afternoon Apr 20 10:49:20 then I can move on: implement scores, save game,.. Apr 20 11:02:59 what can I do on to bypass the APN screen ? Apr 20 11:03:07 seems like the pre is stuck on this screen Apr 20 11:08:57 hmm? Apr 20 11:09:02 the APN screen? Apr 20 11:13:49 yes Apr 20 11:14:45 well, the first time the phone is booted it asks for an email/password Apr 20 11:14:58 then it asks for some connection parameters Apr 20 11:15:05 and the phone is stuck there Apr 20 11:15:15 the only thing i can do is an emergency call Apr 20 11:17:01 it askes for "apn internet", then username and password Apr 20 11:17:05 asks* Apr 20 11:22:11 hmm Apr 20 11:22:21 you received it like that? Apr 20 11:22:46 the first time it asks for a palm profile or you can create one Apr 20 12:15:47 yeah, i know that Apr 20 12:15:54 but then it asks for that apn stuff Apr 20 12:16:10 strange Apr 20 12:16:18 can you enter the sfr ones? Apr 20 12:16:25 it doesn't work Apr 20 12:16:32 and we can't get past that screen Apr 20 12:17:25 another question: can I install an app "by hand" on a pixi/pre (ie: without going to the app catalog) Apr 20 12:17:32 I'd like to test my application this way Apr 20 12:17:50 i think you can get around the first-use app by using the webosinternals metadoctor Apr 20 12:18:02 yes Apr 20 12:18:15 palm-install x.y.z.ipk -d usb Apr 20 12:20:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Apr 20 12:21:14 "The Webos Internals Meta Doctor is a set of shell scripts which can modify a copy of the Palm webOS Doctor to bypass the "First Use" application and allow the phone to run without having been activated on a cell network." Apr 20 12:23:41 well, the phone i'll be using will be activated Apr 20 12:24:02 we have two phones: a pre and a pixi.. the pixi works.. the pre is stuck to the screen i was talking about above Apr 20 12:25:38 and the apn settings that work on the pixi won't work on the pre? Apr 20 12:26:41 how can i refresh an element of a view ? Apr 20 12:26:51 webview? Apr 20 12:27:23 well, seems like the pixi didn't ask for that Apr 20 12:27:35 i' ve got a list selector which specify a country to choose, and in the same scene, depends on the country i ve got a list of towns Apr 20 12:27:52 when i change the country, how can i refresh the towns availables list ? Apr 20 12:28:45 you should be able to see the current apn settings on the pixi Apr 20 12:30:12 do you have a handler onChanged on the country list selector? Apr 20 12:32:08 swisstomcat: yes Apr 20 12:32:19 PreferencesAssistant.prototype.countryChanged = function() { Mojo.Log.info("Bike country " + this.countrySelectorsModel.currentCountry); defaultCountry = this.countrySelectorsModel.currentCountry; Apr 20 12:32:23 }; Apr 20 12:32:23 it works fine ... Apr 20 12:32:42 but i don't know how update the other list selector (for towns) Apr 20 12:33:52 you call modelChanged on the townSelectorsModel Apr 20 12:34:02 after you load the new data into the selector Apr 20 12:41:16 swisstomcat: do you have any example ? Apr 20 12:41:22 let me check Apr 20 12:42:08 http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/724-introduction-to-mojo-widgets-in-palm-webos/ Apr 20 12:42:16 (Updating a Widget’s Data Model) Apr 20 12:43:27 swisstomcat: thanks Apr 20 12:43:30 swisstomcat: i will try that Apr 20 12:52:29 swisstomcat: i setup the second list selector like this : Apr 20 12:52:30 this.controller.setupWidget('networkSelector', { Apr 20 12:52:30 label : $L('Network'), Apr 20 12:52:30 choices : this.networks, Apr 20 12:52:30 modelProperty : 'currentStatus' Apr 20 12:52:33 }, this.selectorsModel); Apr 20 12:52:49 this.networks is the object which are updated from first list selector Apr 20 12:52:59 size of this.networks change so i think it works Apr 20 12:53:24 but when i click on the second list selector, choices doesn't changes :( Apr 20 12:53:48 can you post the modelChanged code? use pastebin.com or something similar Apr 20 12:57:00 swisstomcat: http://pastebin.com/520EAUg9 Apr 20 13:03:32 swisstomcat: do you find where i make a mistake ? Apr 20 13:03:37 not yet Apr 20 13:04:37 do you see anything in the log? Apr 20 13:05:15 for a problem ? Apr 20 13:05:15 no Apr 20 13:05:22 choices can't be in attributes Apr 20 13:05:54 if you're going to change them, must be in model Apr 20 13:06:08 ah, that makes sense .. what haeffb says Apr 20 13:06:09 20100420-15:08:02.098235] warning: WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. Did you call it with the ORIGINAL model object, and not a replacement? Apr 20 13:06:12 [20100420-15:08:02.102307] warning: WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. Did you call it with the ORIGINAL model object, and not a replacement? Apr 20 13:06:15 when i change the country ... Apr 20 13:13:52 haeffb_pre: how can i do that ? Apr 20 13:14:51 instead of putting choices in attributes in setupWidget, put them in the model Apr 20 13:15:43 yes Apr 20 13:15:45 e.g Apr 20 13:15:55 this.myListModel["items"] = mydata; Apr 20 13:15:55 this.controller.modelChanged(this.myListModel , this); Apr 20 13:17:08 before you setup, have an empty model this.myListModel = { items : [] }; Apr 20 13:17:19 then construct a new choices array and call modelChanged Apr 20 13:22:23 I miss webOS programming :( Apr 20 13:22:31 no time anymore? Apr 20 13:22:35 no time any more. Apr 20 13:22:49 I almost called in sick to work today so I could work on my second app. Apr 20 13:22:55 hehe Apr 20 13:23:20 but then I realized, my current app pays me about $75 a month, and this second app probably won't even do that well, whereas my job that I hate pays me over $1400 a month Apr 20 13:23:59 find and make the app that sells thousands of copies Apr 20 13:29:16 did it work i_a_m? Apr 20 13:36:16 i try this : this.selectorsModel = { Apr 20 13:36:16 currentStatus : defaultNetwork Apr 20 13:36:16 }; Apr 20 13:36:16 this.selectorsModel.items = []; Apr 20 13:36:35 this.selectorsModel.items = this.network; Apr 20 13:36:50 but i can't setup ... Apr 20 13:47:40 error? Apr 20 13:48:33 yea Apr 20 13:48:34 h Apr 20 13:48:40 with length Apr 20 13:50:20 i try this : http://pastebin.com/S6HMaXR7 Apr 20 13:50:47 and i ve got this error : Apr 20 13:50:48 error: Error: Caught exception in ListSelector widget 'networkSelector' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined Apr 20 13:52:09 i did this for an empty model: this.myListModel = { items : [] }; Apr 20 13:54:05 swisstomcat: and how you setup the widget with this list Model ? Apr 20 13:57:39 this.controller.setupWidget("MyList",this.myListAttr,this.myListModel); Apr 20 13:57:48 strange :( Apr 20 13:58:10 did you try this.myListModel = { items : [] };? Apr 20 13:58:25 yes Apr 20 14:01:22 swisstomcat: if i try : Apr 20 14:01:32 this.selectorsModel = { Apr 20 14:01:32 currentStatus : defaultNetwork, Apr 20 14:01:32 items : [] //this.networks Apr 20 14:01:33 }; Apr 20 14:01:39 this.controller.setupWidget('networkSelector', { Apr 20 14:01:39 label : $L('Network'), Apr 20 14:01:39 // choices : this.networks, Apr 20 14:01:39 modelProperty : 'currentStatus' Apr 20 14:01:40 }, this.selectorsModel); Apr 20 14:02:17 i ve got this error : Apr 20 14:02:17 error: Error: Caught exception in ListSelector widget 'networkSelector' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined Apr 20 14:11:37 if i remove choices : this.networks, and i try to use the this.selectorsModel = { currentStatus : defaultNetwork, items : [] }; Apr 20 14:11:43 its fail() Apr 20 14:14:10 in HTML file it's : Apr 20 14:14:19
Apr 20 14:35:46 ok it works .... Apr 20 14:35:54 i can setup my widget using the model Apr 20 14:36:05 but i can't change the entries :( Apr 20 15:21:14 ping roy-pre101 Apr 20 15:22:14 ping swisstomcat Apr 20 15:22:22 morning all Apr 20 15:22:35 swisstomcat: Going to make it through the volcano dust? Apr 20 15:22:43 nah :( Apr 20 15:23:40 anyone else notice that there is a Map widget in Ares, but still none in the SDK? Apr 20 15:26:05 You don't need a widget in the SDK Apr 20 15:26:32 Roy-Pre101: umm. the Map service is incredibly limited Apr 20 15:26:47 Roy-Pre101: so yes, i'm going to disagree on that one Apr 20 15:32:46 kmudrick: Download an ares app and cut and paste out the code for the google maps. Apr 20 15:34:54 Roy-Pre101: actually, attempted to do that - didn't work out so well ;) Apr 20 15:36:13 was there that much code in it? Apr 20 15:38:07 Roy-Pre101: yeah, the bulk of it in an obfuscated app-build.js Apr 20 15:44:05 It's not obfuscated, it's justmissing spaces. Run it through a beautifier. Apr 20 15:48:08 Roy-Pre101: you're right; interesting Apr 20 15:50:47 Looks pretty simple. Just loading up the google maps api script. Apr 20 15:50:57 Shhh, Chuq's here. Apr 20 15:51:06 ssshhhh Apr 20 15:51:11 * sugardave hides the otters. Apr 20 15:51:19 * swisstomcat hides the puppies Apr 20 15:51:42 morning, all. Apr 20 15:52:08 chuqui: Morning. We're not doing anything. Apr 20 15:52:16 nothing at all Apr 20 15:52:18 I can tell. I'll join you Apr 20 15:52:41 chuqui: my flight got cancelled Apr 20 15:52:52 ow. but not surprised. Apr 20 15:53:02 I would take your place swisstomcat, but I can't make it to SunnyVale. Apr 20 15:53:21 i'm flying in on friday now ... arriving late Apr 20 15:53:30 sugardave: How hard could it be? You could drive there before Friday from most any place in the US. Apr 20 15:53:45 my mom would be heartbroken if I missed her play Apr 20 15:53:51 and that won't do Apr 20 15:54:11 you have to set priorities Apr 20 15:54:35 Palm needs to do the next one in Austin :D Apr 20 15:54:57 I believe the next one is in NY. Apr 20 15:57:12 really? Apr 20 15:57:18 in new york Apr 20 15:57:20 hmmm Apr 20 15:57:39 maybe i should just cancel everything Apr 20 16:07:40 I don't think we've announced the next one formally. FWIW. Apr 20 16:07:55 yeah Apr 20 16:08:13 i won't cancel my flights now Apr 20 16:08:45 i'll miss friday, oh well Apr 20 17:14:34 are albertans not allowed to be webos developers? dumb question, but i'm trying to fill in my comany info on the palm dev site and "Alberta" is missing from the State/Province drop-down (so is Manitoba, Saskatchewan, BC, etc.). Oddly, NWT, Newfoundland and New Brunswick are all there... Apr 20 17:14:44 comany = company Apr 20 17:15:40 therefore there is no possible way for me to fill out this form and have it accepted - is that all right? will i have problems in the future if it's not filled out? Apr 20 17:19:17 besides not actually being able submit an app... crap Apr 20 17:26:16 question: my company will want to release both OSS and closed-source apps. if i sign up as an OSD, will i have to OS every app? Apr 20 17:27:07 I think so Apr 20 17:27:13 you will need two accounts Apr 20 17:27:18 one for OSS and one for not Apr 20 17:28:44 convenient, thanks Apr 20 17:34:07 now, any special rules for the Company Info page? no combination of things I enter there will let me sign up.. Apr 20 17:43:43 RustIndy: sorry, no clue, I've been signed up for a long time Apr 20 17:48:32 well, thanks anyways. Apr 20 17:56:32 rehi Apr 20 17:56:56 lemonade Apr 20 17:57:36 american airlines cancelled my flight Apr 20 17:57:50 moved it to friday Apr 20 17:57:59 awwwww Apr 20 17:58:07 what time friday? Apr 20 17:58:17 i'll get in late to sfo Apr 20 17:58:25 after 14 hour flight Apr 20 17:58:36 ouch Apr 20 17:58:51 at least i can make saturday Apr 20 17:58:56 yeah Apr 20 17:59:11 it sucks but what can you do .. beats staying at home Apr 20 18:00:24 true Apr 20 18:21:29 swisstomcat looking forward to meeting you. Apr 20 18:21:38 me too, rick Apr 20 18:21:39 lies Apr 20 18:21:48 too bad i can only come saturday Apr 20 18:21:54 but better than nothing Apr 20 18:22:03 what time you getting in on friday night? Apr 20 18:22:07 when is your flight out? Apr 20 18:22:21 i planned to leave on the 26th to montana Apr 20 18:22:28 but i'll push that out to the 27th Apr 20 18:22:37 i'm getting into SFO at 18:55pm Apr 20 18:22:45 probably dead tired Apr 20 18:22:56 Ahh, well then, you can pal around with Roy and I on Sunday as well, if you choose to. Apr 20 18:22:58 6:55pm that is for the yanks Apr 20 18:23:04 ahh Apr 20 18:23:10 We can count past 12. Apr 20 18:23:15 rick: yes, certainly Apr 20 18:23:31 some sightseeing .. or developing :) Apr 20 18:23:40 where are you staying? Apr 20 18:24:38 The best western just around the corner from Palm. Apr 20 18:25:05 mathilda ave? Apr 20 18:25:31 yes Apr 20 18:25:38 cool, i'm there too Apr 20 18:25:48 just have to figure out how to get there from SFO Apr 20 18:26:00 I can give you a lift methinks Apr 20 18:26:15 on friday evening? Apr 20 18:26:20 since I'm going to be one of the rare people with cars Apr 20 18:26:22 yeah Apr 20 18:26:49 that'd be great .. i'll be dead tired after ~14 hours of flight Apr 20 18:26:55 are you staying at the same hotel? Apr 20 18:27:02 no, but its no biggie Apr 20 18:27:38 i'll see if the hotel has a shuttle .. otherwise i'll gladly accept Apr 20 18:27:49 how far is sfo-sunnyvale? Apr 20 18:27:54 no shuttle Apr 20 18:28:32 25 miles one way sfl to the hotel. Apr 20 18:28:42 sfo sorry Apr 20 18:28:56 oh, pretty far away then Apr 20 18:29:11 isn't traffic pretty heavy? Apr 20 18:29:22 30 minutes at that time of night. Almost a straight shot down I-94. Apr 20 18:29:38 You -can- do it using public transportation, but you don't want to. Apr 20 18:29:49 yeah, probably not if i'm dead tired Apr 20 18:30:00 i'll gladly accept your offer, halfhalo Apr 20 18:30:11 30 minutes for you is 15 for me! Apr 20 18:30:52 Public transit requires 3 train changes plus a bus. :) Apr 20 18:30:59 heh Apr 20 18:31:04 yikes Apr 20 18:31:09 What's your actual name swisstomcat ??? Apr 20 18:31:12 we'll have a welcoming comitee waiting there Apr 20 18:31:22 public transport doesn't seem to be as good as in europe Apr 20 18:31:23 Rick_work, you want to come? Apr 20 18:31:35 my name is tom, tom cat Apr 20 18:31:36 depends on how I'm feeling Friday night Apr 20 18:31:40 :D Apr 20 18:31:41 :) Apr 20 18:31:45 markus Apr 20 18:32:37 Rick_work: you have no choice in the matter Apr 20 18:32:42 Public transport is quite good in the bay area. It's actually got one of the better systems in the country since the population density is so high. Apr 20 18:33:22 I have honestly never used public transportation save for the trams in santa barbara Apr 20 18:34:03 SAN FRANCISCO 6:55 PM Apr 20 18:34:09 AA Flight 85 Apr 20 18:34:19 FRI 23APR Apr 20 18:35:37 BART from the airport to MillBrae, CALTRAN from MillBrae to Sunnyvale, bus (or walk) about 3/4 mile from CALTRAN station to hotel (or use taxi) but at that time of night on a Sat, the connections are bad. 1/2 hour by car, 2 hours by train. Apr 20 18:35:38 i expect a red carpet and champagne :) Apr 20 18:35:43 ha Apr 20 18:36:16 i can pay you with swiss chocolate, halfhalo :) Apr 20 18:36:22 meh Apr 20 18:36:27 not a chocolate person Apr 20 18:36:28 :p Apr 20 18:36:34 cowbell? Apr 20 18:36:48 milk? Apr 20 18:37:23 lolno Apr 20 18:37:27 random link: http://www.speedtest.net/result/682436663.png Apr 20 18:38:30 let me know if i can bring something swiss/european specific Apr 20 18:39:42 nah, I'm fine. you don't have to bring anything Apr 20 18:39:51 i'll just stumble out of the plane and wait for you guys? Apr 20 18:40:05 it will be hard to miss me Apr 20 18:40:06 I Apr 20 18:40:21 'll most likely be being arrested for something or another Apr 20 18:40:29 for speeding Apr 20 18:40:31 :) Apr 20 18:40:39 or reckless driving Apr 20 18:40:51 speeding is only a ticket, but maybe for reckless driving Apr 20 18:41:02 because dammit, I like my parking spot on the concourse! Apr 20 18:41:03 i have to check rick's face for signs of green before i get into the car Apr 20 18:41:51 useless. Don't get motion sick. Close eyes when others speed. I don't want to know. Apr 20 18:42:06 hehe Apr 20 18:42:32 yeah, but its pretty hard to drown out the sound of a v6@6000rpm Apr 20 18:43:11 ha Apr 20 18:43:17 just turn up the volume of the radio Apr 20 18:43:27 and say "nah, nah, nah" to yourself Apr 20 18:43:43 and since it's the People's republic of Calfornia, I have to leave my guns at home, so I can't just shoot him when he drives recklessly... Apr 20 18:43:46 I have the back speakers shut off though Apr 20 18:44:16 i wonder if i should get a cab .. seems safer .. reckless driving, guns .. what else? Apr 20 18:44:30 J turns in parking structures Apr 20 18:44:57 Well, it's America... :) Apr 20 18:45:12 What else would you like? Apr 20 18:45:17 wow this sounds like a wild conference Apr 20 18:45:20 topless chicks Apr 20 18:45:33 and booze Apr 20 18:45:36 in the car Apr 20 18:45:58 got those Apr 20 18:46:09 Oh, well, It's california, so booze is no problem. Topless babes is a problem since it's NORTHERN california. Apr 20 18:46:27 both of you are over 21? Apr 20 18:46:29 yeah, but I live in So Cal Apr 20 18:46:34 I'll just bring some up Apr 20 18:46:37 Never forget Mark Twain's description of the San Francisco weather. Apr 20 18:46:39 and no, I'm 19 Apr 20 18:46:49 I'm 55. -- it averages out. Apr 20 18:46:49 are you even allowed to drive? Apr 20 18:47:08 i'll just tell the police that my son and grandpa will pick me up Apr 20 18:47:22 you get your permit at 15.5, liscense at 16 Apr 20 18:47:31 and for the life of me I can't spell liscense Apr 20 18:47:36 cool Apr 20 18:47:43 americans and cars Apr 20 18:47:50 swisstomcat, for future reference, San Jose (SJC) is much closer to Sunnyvale than San Francisco Apr 20 18:48:05 yeah, i'm flying out from sjc Apr 20 18:48:13 i was supposed to get in tomorrow evening Apr 20 18:48:21 sadly my original flight was cancelled Apr 20 18:48:28 oh :-( Apr 20 18:48:39 * swisstomcat shakes fist at volcano Apr 20 18:48:51 i'll miss friday Apr 20 18:48:57 coming in friday evening Apr 20 18:48:58 I had a friend who ended up taking a train to spain in order to fly out of europe Apr 20 18:49:11 yeah, heard all kinds of horror stories Apr 20 18:49:55 funny enough, swiss airlines flew to new york today .. but somehow american airlines can't get a plane here for tomorrow .. even if they have a scheduled flight from jfk today .. but that ones was cancelled too Apr 20 18:50:11 of course now i can't get any other flight without paying through my nose Apr 20 18:51:54 lulz Apr 20 18:52:20 oh well Apr 20 18:53:47 Rick_work: You're in on Wed. right? Apr 20 18:54:42 burn you stupid rails sob Apr 20 18:54:45 BURN Apr 20 18:55:34 halfhalo: I see that money for anger management courses was wasted! Apr 20 18:55:42 spend that on coke Apr 20 18:56:46 Arrive SJC Thursday 11:25 AM Depart SJC Monday 2:40 PM Apr 20 18:57:09 I arrive.... 6 hours after I leave LA, whenever that is Apr 20 18:57:29 if you don't get caught by the police Apr 20 18:57:31 I'll be in to SFO about the same time. Apr 20 18:57:53 I am either leaving LA at noon or at 5pm Apr 20 18:58:29 Is JenP coming? Apr 20 18:58:32 Anyone know? Apr 20 18:58:38 last I heard no Apr 20 18:58:43 she has to work methinks Apr 20 18:58:54 dev days is work too Apr 20 18:58:59 hmmm Apr 20 18:59:05 bummer. Who needs a job when you can retire off the app income? Apr 20 18:59:18 * halfhalo is wondering if the LDAP gem is enabled in his app. Apr 20 18:59:45 i wish, roy-pre101 Apr 20 19:01:04 well then Apr 20 19:01:13 forgot to input the password for the ldap server Apr 20 19:01:26 jacques: You coming in to SJC or SFO? Apr 20 19:01:41 or some other method? Apr 20 19:01:53 JenP is coming, at least for Sat unless her plans changed. Apr 20 19:02:06 oh good. Apr 20 19:02:15 lots of people to meet Apr 20 19:02:26 looking forward to that Apr 20 19:03:33 "Bind failure due to Anonymous modules have no name to be referenced by (ArgumentError)" Apr 20 19:03:35 fffffffffff Apr 20 19:04:00 halfhalo: I know what that means. Apr 20 19:04:11 ORLY Apr 20 19:04:15 It means there's a problem. Apr 20 19:04:24 I never would have guessed.... Apr 20 19:04:43 Roy-Pre101, I'm coming into San Jose amtrak station (on Coast Starlight from Oregon) Apr 20 19:04:53 it means you tried to call something tht didn't have a name. All God's critchers gots ta have names. Apr 20 19:05:03 jacques: nice Apr 20 19:05:11 :-) Apr 20 19:05:20 that sounds like a nice train, jaques Apr 20 19:05:35 Rick_work: except it doesnt Apr 20 19:05:38 if I can figure out how to get from train station to airport, I should be able to take the hotel shuttle to my hotel Apr 20 19:05:52 what time you getting in jacques Apr 20 19:06:13 swisstomcat, yeah, I wish I had the money for a sleeper room tho :-) it's 17 hour ride Apr 20 19:06:21 ouch Apr 20 19:06:31 halfhalo, let me check (in the morning on Tursday) Apr 20 19:06:32 but nice scenery i assume? Apr 20 19:06:44 swisstomcat, yes, that's the best part Apr 20 19:06:52 ah, then I can't help you jacques Apr 20 19:06:57 It's supposed to be a very nice train ride. Never been on it. Apr 20 19:06:59 if it was late at night, different story Apr 20 19:07:05 i have to fly to montana because it's just too far away from SF Apr 20 19:07:06 * sugardave road a train once from Austin, TX to Ft. Worth, TX. "That's normally a 3.5-4.25 hour drive by car. But, since FREIGHT trains get priority here and it was after hurricane Katrina or Rita, our train had to defer 5 or 6 times on the way there and it took us 9 hours. I hate trains now." Apr 20 19:07:11 omg Apr 20 19:07:13 road=rode Apr 20 19:07:21 it's 4/20 all day, you know Apr 20 19:07:25 * swisstomcat takes the train to work .. we have no car Apr 20 19:07:30 I rode from San Francisco (oakland) up here a few days ago Apr 20 19:07:43 * halfhalo never takes the train. Always faster by car Apr 20 19:07:44 What exactly is the significance of 4/20? Apr 20 19:07:57 supposedly train arrives at 9:55am (there's only one train per day, so not a lot of choice in that) Apr 20 19:08:21 it's a lame high-school era (1980's for me) stoner joke meme Apr 20 19:10:19 yeah... Apr 20 19:10:59 waiting for 16:20 hrs Apr 20 19:11:52 well, yeah, but there is always the warmup session....got to make sure you're not going to overwork anything come game time Apr 20 19:14:58 halfhalo almost always faster by car, almost, but when in car, you have to attend to what you're doing, can't read, or program, or nap. Apr 20 19:15:04 Trains very useful that way. Apr 20 19:15:08 yup Apr 20 19:15:42 except I'm one of those strange people who likes to drive Apr 20 19:16:32 i like to drive too but not every day .. an not on working days in heavy traffic Apr 20 19:17:01 never really have any traffic around here that I can't avoid Apr 20 19:17:06 wooot Apr 20 19:17:08 halfhalo there's times to drive and times to ride. Apr 20 19:17:09 fixed my error Apr 20 19:17:20 Oh, guess what Apr 20 19:17:29 its cheaper for me to fly than to drive up to sf Apr 20 19:17:43 really Apr 20 19:18:38 It will take me two tanks of gass to get up there at 45 a tank, and a ticket is only 65 one way Apr 20 19:19:23 i was thinking bout that too, but what about once you get up there, how you gonna get around? Apr 20 19:19:34 grand theft auto Apr 20 19:19:43 or walking... Apr 20 19:19:44 that made me lol Apr 20 19:19:53 hehe Apr 20 19:20:24 Roy-Pre101: i think 420 is the police code for marijuana posession, something like that Apr 20 19:20:55 kmudrick: Actually, it's not. Apr 20 19:21:10 I just looked it up. Apr 20 19:21:49 Apparently started a long time ago as the time a group in a CA school would meet to light up. Apr 20 19:22:04 There's a good way to make it uncool. Your -grandparents- coined the term. :) Apr 20 19:22:26 * halfhalo dislikes drugs for the same reason he dislikes alcohol Apr 20 19:23:54 Roy-Pre101: hah Apr 20 19:24:48 yes, drugs are bad Apr 20 19:24:55 don't do drugs Apr 20 19:25:39 well, its not that I have a vendetta against them, I just don't want anything screwing with mah drivin Apr 20 19:25:55 most definitely do NOT do drugs and drive Apr 20 19:26:30 or drink and drive Apr 20 19:26:31 its 12:30 Apr 20 19:26:35 and now I'm hungry Apr 20 19:26:48 but the line for food is going to be really long right now Apr 20 19:27:07 and I'm to lazy to go to anything but the two places right here Apr 20 19:28:06 * halfhalo hearts his car Apr 20 19:28:48 2003 v6 silver highlander with racing suspension, air filter, and tuned engine pumping out 300 horses Apr 20 19:29:07 it goes zoomzoom Apr 20 19:34:08 i give up again Apr 20 19:34:23 i cant style anything worth a poop Apr 20 19:34:27 i aint got no style Apr 20 19:34:31 true Apr 20 19:34:44 i got no class either Apr 20 19:34:51 also true Apr 20 19:34:54 :p Apr 20 19:35:00 but damn, im good lookin Apr 20 19:35:12 heh Apr 20 19:35:23 hehe Apr 20 19:35:51 i'll just put a picture of myself as a background for my list rows Apr 20 19:35:56 mazda zoomzoom? :) Apr 20 19:36:08 that'll work bigbiff Apr 20 19:36:15 hehe Apr 20 19:36:26 nah, i wouldnt be able to get that to work either Apr 20 19:36:35 no respect Apr 20 19:36:43 no mazda zoomzoom unforunatly. only toyota brakes don't work zoomzoom Apr 20 19:36:52 x-mojo-highlight=make prettier Apr 20 19:37:46 toyota gas pedals work great! Apr 20 19:37:54 if you dont mind them staying down Apr 20 19:37:59 :p Apr 20 19:38:52 i'll stick with my explorer - only needs a new transmission about every 300 miles Apr 20 19:39:02 eek Apr 20 19:39:11 i rather have a mustang Apr 20 19:39:16 get ur oil changed, put in a trans Apr 20 19:39:17 vrooom, vroom Apr 20 19:39:38 a mustang ran into my neighbors house 2 weeks ago Apr 20 19:39:40 no joke Apr 20 19:39:44 I would rather have a tarus sho or the 2011 GT500 Apr 20 19:39:45 actually, it was funny Apr 20 19:39:56 nobody hurt so.... Apr 20 19:41:11 I miss my '77 Monte Carlo Apr 20 19:41:41 I miss my 95 volvo 850 Apr 20 19:42:35 turbo baby, turbo Apr 20 19:43:21 is it possible to set up a widget for something added to the scene via Mojo.View.render ? Apr 20 19:43:54 it should be possible Apr 20 19:49:02 hmm. if it is, i sure as hell can't figure out the correct way to do it - setting up the widget after the html generated by Mojo.View.render is injected into the scene does nothing Apr 20 19:50:38 ah, I may have it backwards...I think you can pre-set up a widget before it is added to the DOM Apr 20 19:50:58 and then when Mojo.View.render happens, it should work, I guess Apr 20 19:52:04 exactly. I don't know of a way to have render RE-RENDER Apr 20 19:52:11 hmmm Apr 20 19:52:20 what should i get for food... Apr 20 19:52:33 where do you live? Apr 20 19:52:57 that has nothing to do with it considering I'm going next door for food Apr 20 19:53:00 sugardave: setting up the widget in setup() - before the Mojo.View.render happens doesn't seem to do the trick either Apr 20 19:53:03 just trying to figure out what to get there Apr 20 19:53:24 oh, was going to suggest Tex-Mex, but if you aren't in a good state for it, better not to bother with it Apr 20 19:53:51 heh Apr 20 19:54:05 oh, oh, oh Apr 20 19:54:14 chipotle friday night for dinner Apr 20 19:54:15 sweeeet Apr 20 19:55:07 oh, seems like i need instantiateChildWidgets Apr 20 19:55:19 yes, that's important, too Apr 20 19:55:23 ooops :D Apr 20 19:55:40 was just looking at my "insert a webview after scene activation" example Apr 20 19:56:59 * BigBiff kicks computer again Apr 20 19:57:32 what now? Apr 20 19:58:47 sugardave: yea, works now with instantiateChildWidgets Apr 20 19:58:49 thanks Apr 20 19:58:55 awesome Apr 20 20:11:53 hmmm Apr 20 20:12:05 google maks says I can make it to the hotel in just under 6 hours Apr 20 20:19:01 i'm off Apr 20 20:19:03 night everyone Apr 20 20:19:12 what a frustrating day Apr 20 20:19:25 bye swisstomcat Apr 20 20:19:30 frustrating day ? Apr 20 20:19:41 with the flight being cancelled Apr 20 20:20:12 see, you should preadjust your internal clock to CA time Apr 20 20:20:33 ah right.. Apr 20 20:20:36 well, this happens Apr 20 20:20:44 Then you will be so wakked out you cant be frusterated Apr 20 20:21:03 I understand your frustration.. but no one is happy about that.. especially not flying companies.. so if they cancel the flight, it's for your life ;) Apr 20 20:21:16 better stay where you are alive.. than flying.. and well.. crashing ;) Apr 20 20:21:40 driving>flying Apr 20 20:25:05 * sugardave would love to see how long it would take swisstomcat to drive from Switzerland to SunnyVale. Apr 20 20:25:27 FOR EVER Apr 20 20:25:28 i would only make it to portugal Apr 20 20:25:40 and then i'd have to make a boat out of my car Apr 20 20:25:41 a pity the cities aren't aligned alphabetically Apr 20 20:25:44 grrr Apr 20 20:25:49 then it wouldn't take too long Apr 20 20:25:54 banning time on mah forums I moderate Apr 20 20:26:03 stupid ms shills Apr 20 20:26:10 * sugardave hands halfhalo the ban hammer. Apr 20 20:26:16 leo: the flight was cancelled even though the airspace over switzerland was open already Apr 20 20:26:58 Hmmmm. Where did they all go.... Apr 20 20:28:01 swisstomcat, well, better predict any problem... Apr 20 20:29:23 anyone with a pre to test an application ? Apr 20 20:29:32 depends on the app Apr 20 20:29:35 yes, i can test tomorrow leo Apr 20 20:29:44 game Apr 20 20:31:25 hey leo i can test too. Apr 20 20:33:23 great Apr 20 20:33:43 great Apr 20 20:34:38 How long does Palm need to review an App for the App Catalog ? Apr 20 20:34:44 for eva Apr 20 20:34:49 or around a weekmethinks Apr 20 20:37:09 and.... desktop appears to be off at home Apr 20 20:37:11 great.... Apr 20 20:39:21 i could've sworn app catalog said there were 2003 apps available this morning. now it's like 1996. Apr 20 20:40:16 anybody try n.o.v.a. yet? Apr 20 20:40:24 on my list of games to get Apr 20 20:50:27 Onkel_C: i've had as short as 2 days, as long as 1 week Apr 20 20:56:30 Hi there. I just got a gsm pre from ebay. version is 1.4.0, update says thats latest, but 1.4.1 should be. can preware install these official webos upgrades? Apr 20 20:57:02 no preware cannot Apr 20 20:57:24 webos updates are handled soly by the update app on the phone Apr 20 20:57:38 hm OK. is there a way to get 1.4.1 if it doesnt find it? or do I just have to wait? Apr 20 20:58:01 And the carrier that the phone is on might not have released it yet, so until they do your sol Apr 20 20:58:16 hm, ok thanks Apr 20 20:58:32 and is there a way to connect to the internet via usb? Apr 20 20:58:35 I guess not ... Apr 20 20:58:48 BeerSerc: yes. Apr 20 20:58:49 usbnet Apr 20 20:59:20 bougyman: where do I find information about that? Apr 20 21:00:41 in the wiki Apr 20 21:01:21 can I only access the pre from my computer or also the other way around, like installing preware patches and so on with that? Apr 20 21:03:55 weellll look who it is Apr 20 21:23:41 hm, I plugged and unplugged my pre to usb, and now I am not asked anymore if I want to go into mass storage mode or just charge ... can I configure that somewhere? Apr 20 21:24:25 plugged and unplugged as in going into usb mode? Apr 20 21:24:58 Tibfib: no simply plugged and unplugged the usb cable Apr 20 21:25:12 hmm... try it again? Apr 20 21:25:24 or restart your pre Apr 20 21:26:17 chuqui: did you get my email about the mojo messaging service? Apr 20 21:26:49 tibfib yes. I'm ignoring you pointedly... Or maybe I'm ignoring MMS. I forget. Apr 20 21:27:02 lulz Apr 20 21:27:12 silly silly chuq Apr 20 21:27:19 actually, yes, I did. but we're not making it availble to people yet... not much to really say other than "remember last time you asked? well, ditto" (sigh) Apr 20 21:27:29 * halfhalo is about to break this computer Apr 20 21:27:45 chuqui: that's fine, I just want to get onto the list for beta testing it Apr 20 21:27:53 it would be perfect for my app Apr 20 21:28:01 hm, simply rebooting seems kind of a non-linux way to me ... this has to work somehow Apr 20 21:28:36 oh it better not rain thursday Apr 20 21:29:04 that would epically suck Apr 20 21:29:14 i agree, halfhalo. Apr 20 21:29:47 I'm already planning to... bend the speed limit, but I will not if it rains Apr 20 21:29:58 Thats one of my rules I NEVER break Apr 20 21:30:25 Along with no speeding at night and my car ain't going nowhere until all seatbelts are on Apr 20 21:31:37 that's a lot of rules Apr 20 21:31:47 I have more Apr 20 21:31:53 I take driving very srsly Apr 20 21:32:23 i try not to crash Apr 20 21:32:30 i haven't yet, so it's a pretty good rule Apr 20 21:33:08 only been in one accident, and that wasn't my fault Apr 20 21:33:22 I was sideswiped while waiting at a red light Apr 20 21:33:36 that's happened to me. Apr 20 21:33:45 yikes Apr 20 21:33:46 heh Apr 20 21:33:57 I had my old volvo tho, no harm done to my car Apr 20 21:34:12 although the other car freaked and ran the red light and got a ticket Apr 20 21:36:18 * Tibfib find out muse are coming to KC in nov! Apr 20 21:36:36 * Tibfib have bad grammar Apr 20 21:38:00 no muse fans in here? (sigh) Apr 20 21:38:32 nope Apr 20 21:40:19 YAY MUSE! Apr 20 21:45:00 nope Apr 20 21:54:51 muse is alright. Apr 20 21:54:57 sugardave: Switzerland is not a city. Apr 20 21:55:24 and if it was, he'd have to go from Switzerland to Zurich to AAA something then all the way back around. Apr 20 21:55:38 no going in reverse in your fantasy world. Apr 20 21:56:07 lol Apr 20 21:56:11 little late there.... Apr 20 21:58:25 * haeffb has a day job... Apr 20 22:01:21 ...comedy has to wait until the afternoon. Apr 20 22:10:40 Wow. Just found out that my local phone/cell/cable provider is putting in a new cell tower & to do so has to run fiber right past my driveway.... Apr 20 22:10:49 10MB internet, here we come...! Apr 20 22:14:09 Still hoping that Google selects Topeka as one of their test cities. Apr 20 22:14:38 you mean that Topeka picks Google? ;) Apr 20 22:14:38 3 years ago, I was on 56k dialup. Then satellite. Then EVDO. Apr 20 22:15:02 * haeffb wonders how much it will cost to get out of the last year of my EVDO service... Apr 20 22:15:18 They start construction in 2 weeks. Apr 20 22:29:10 hey, how do I align something to the bottom of the screen? Apr 20 22:29:24 bottom: 0px;? Apr 20 22:29:36 zsoc! I need some help. Apr 20 22:29:50 haeffb: watup! Apr 20 22:30:03
Apr 20 22:30:05 doesn't work Apr 20 22:30:08 have a timezone bug in my app that is affecting eurozone users Apr 20 22:30:23 Nyceane:
Apr 20 22:30:28 try that Apr 20 22:30:29 right, what he said Apr 20 22:30:33 if I give you a debug version, could you run it & send me the logs? Apr 20 22:30:39 I'm pretty bad with css though so no promises Apr 20 22:30:51 Or, wait, maybe I can just run my emu in europe. Apr 20 22:30:53 haeffb: oh!!! you really think i'm in hungry! Apr 20 22:31:04 haeffb: crap bro, that was quite the joke lol Apr 20 22:31:20 zsoc: obviously not if you can't spell hungary :P Apr 20 22:31:23 what, you've been lying to me all this time? I'll never trust hungarians again! Apr 20 22:31:41 ive always said you cant trust hungarians Apr 20 22:31:43 haeffb: it's all been a lie :( i am a bad persons :( :( :< Apr 20 22:31:45 well, doesn't work Apr 20 22:31:57 all it does is attach the entire thing to the top Apr 20 22:32:54 ok, so im trying to style some unique backgrounds for a few list rows Apr 20 22:33:08 oh, well, I'll try the emu method...it's already speaking German at me. Apr 20 22:33:11 position:fixed;bottom:0px; Apr 20 22:33:31 2 images - one for selected, one default Apr 20 22:33:50 not sure how to script the selected image Apr 20 22:33:53 if I could just figure out how to change the time in German... Apr 20 22:33:58 any docs on that? Apr 20 22:34:05 (i've looked) Apr 20 22:34:21 haeffb: Zeit Apr 20 22:35:41 my emu now thinks its 12:34 vorm on 21/4/10 Apr 20 22:35:49 silly confused emu Apr 20 22:35:50 lulz Apr 20 22:36:15 debating whether to go to class tomorrow and thursday... hmmmm Apr 20 22:39:51 Tibfib, that creates some sort of unwanted padding or margin to the right Apr 20 22:40:00 is there any firefox on webos? Apr 20 22:40:03 i mean firebug Apr 20 22:40:08 nope Apr 20 22:40:10 fffffffffffffffffffff Apr 20 22:40:27 time to wipe laptop. getting to bogged down again methinks Apr 20 22:41:18 * haeffb thinks he knows what the bug is... Apr 20 22:41:37 position:fixed;bottom:0px;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto; Apr 20 22:41:41 wow .selected? that's it? waay to simple Apr 20 22:42:16 BigBiff_: Is that automatically added to what you tap on? Apr 20 22:42:29 I know that's how the list-items are clicked and such Apr 20 22:42:38 ya, looks that way Apr 20 22:42:43 no js involved Apr 20 22:42:47 nice Apr 20 22:42:49 that's a big help Apr 20 22:43:01 at least - not from what i can see so far Apr 20 22:44:10 styling these list rows is killing me Apr 20 22:44:37 i think i have it right, then it's still off/skewed to the right by 10 px Apr 20 22:44:46 strange behavior Apr 20 22:45:13 add width:100%; lolz Apr 20 22:46:00 hehe Apr 20 22:46:07 i need 110% Apr 20 22:46:22 stretch, make it right already, stretch Apr 20 22:46:44 css4 should have a "just do what i want" class Apr 20 22:47:08 or a "seriously, you really think that looks good" class Apr 20 22:47:35 built in Apr 20 22:48:14 win win win win http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6624 Apr 20 22:48:56 I'm considering sending an email saying "I started to use the contacts API but found it too limiting" Apr 20 22:49:29 welll...the whole accounts thing = Apr 20 22:53:06 * haeffb wonders if Agenda counts... Apr 20 22:53:40 not using CRUD, but accessing the calendar data anyway... Apr 20 22:56:12 yeah I'm using calendar api, but not crud stuff Apr 20 22:57:47 where is chuqui when you need him... ? Apr 20 22:58:09 no idea Apr 20 23:01:03 * haeffb sent email to pdc Apr 20 23:01:59 * Tibfib is going to as well Apr 20 23:02:25 * halfhalo_T400 would but is dealing with crap bandwidth right now Apr 20 23:03:12 Me too, but my fiber will be here soon!!!! Apr 20 23:03:24 can't get fiber where I live Apr 20 23:03:26 or dsl Apr 20 23:03:31 its cable or dial up Apr 20 23:11:22 * Tibfib sent the email Apr 20 23:14:31 I can't yet. But I will. Apr 20 23:14:43 currently on EVDO Apr 20 23:14:48 sigh Apr 20 23:14:53 heh Apr 20 23:22:56 you know, i really should be using a download manager, but...... Apr 20 23:40:47 hey, if i have a block of text Apr 20 23:40:54 and i am trying to align that to the bottom Apr 20 23:40:56 what do i do? Apr 20 23:44:22 float: bottom; ;) Apr 20 23:48:07 -_- Apr 20 23:48:11 you can't float bottom Apr 21 00:14:45 hey, if i have a div i want it to be 100% height thats given Apr 21 00:14:53 what can i do? Apr 21 00:14:57 height:100% doesn't do anything Apr 21 00:15:43 weird Apr 21 00:15:51 do you have any content inside your div ? Apr 21 00:15:57 nope Apr 21 00:16:02 just border Apr 21 00:17:19 nvm, gona use min-height Apr 21 00:17:42 yep Apr 21 00:18:48 whats the command for append? -_- Apr 21 00:18:58 sorry, i m a jquery guy, not a prototype guy -_- Apr 21 00:19:10 += ? Apr 21 00:19:20 thanks Apr 21 00:20:07 i could have sworn appendTo worked.... Apr 21 00:23:04 this.controller.get('chatlog').appendToTop('
You: ' + this.model['original'] + '
');? Apr 21 00:23:21 doesn't work =-/ Apr 21 00:27:14 * haeffb wishes I was going to Sunnyvale this weekend. The agenda looks awesome. Apr 21 00:27:35 I'm so psyched to go Apr 21 00:31:14 * haeffb checking cost for flight/hotel Apr 21 00:31:50 $586/person Apr 21 00:33:28 for flight & thurs-sun hotel Apr 21 00:33:38 ah Apr 21 00:33:45 but theres one problem Apr 21 00:33:53 fridays booked solid already Apr 21 00:34:34 don't need friday Apr 21 00:34:47 then just come friday-sun Apr 21 00:34:54 flight + hotel is cheaper than flight only. Apr 21 00:38:30 looks like you guys have all the Mathilda Ave hotels booked solid. Apr 21 00:38:42 go santa clara marriott Apr 21 00:38:49 89 a night with AAA Apr 21 00:40:51 =_= Apr 21 00:40:56 anybody knows how to do append? Apr 21 00:41:04 nope Apr 21 00:41:35 i just go this.controller.get.innerHTML=this.controller.get.innerHTML+"newstuff" Apr 21 00:41:40 because I am that lazy Apr 21 00:41:48 lol Apr 21 00:41:58 but i need to remove some stuff too =-\ Apr 21 00:42:22 i'll look more into it Apr 21 00:53:43 flight, car, hotel for two people, thurs-sun $1139 total. Apr 21 00:53:56 why do you need a car? Apr 21 00:54:09 quick, hide the stuff! Apr 21 00:54:31 so my wife can drive around while I'm at Palm Apr 21 00:54:42 ah Apr 21 00:54:54 it was only $50 more for the 5 days. Apr 21 00:54:59 wtf not? Apr 21 00:55:11 no, $100 more Apr 21 00:56:56 do it Apr 21 01:51:44 so... how would one go about not doing .. uh.. using the palm sdk wigetry for buttons? or using it, but having your own image over it? Apr 21 01:51:56 I guess I still want the nice "you pressed this button" animation Apr 21 01:52:15 haeffb: i know you know Apr 21 01:52:16 just make your own css Apr 21 01:52:38 so, i dump the widget thing entirely and just tie my own image thingy to the event? Apr 21 01:53:01 thats one option, yeah Apr 21 01:53:45 I can't use an image as a $Label? Apr 21 01:54:11 I doubt it Apr 21 01:54:33 ... wouldn't that make sense? Apr 21 01:55:18 zsoc: I know, but I no longer deal with hungarians. Apr 21 01:55:23 yes... except i think that when mojo takes the widget stuff in the controller and makes it into js/html it parses out all html in label for security/non breakingness sakes Apr 21 01:55:36 haeffb: :( Apr 21 01:58:14 ok, stole usb cable from mini Apr 21 01:58:18 now I can burn my cd's Apr 21 01:58:28 haeffb: please?:( Apr 21 02:01:36 :( Apr 21 02:01:37 actually, I don't know Apr 21 02:03:12 but there is some info on webos dev site. Apr 21 02:05:24 i'm poking around it Apr 21 02:05:27 not sure what i'm looking for Apr 21 02:08:37 oh yeah.. today is payday aint it :D Apr 21 02:09:40 it is! Apr 21 02:09:45 heh Apr 21 02:10:31 I can knock $100 per person off by flying out monday at 10pm and arriving at KC at 9:30 am Tues. Apr 21 02:12:53 whats kc... Apr 21 02:13:20 kansas city Apr 21 02:14:16 anyone here got an open-source multi-stage app? Apr 21 02:14:28 nope Apr 21 02:14:30 what for? Apr 21 02:14:52 an example... I'm going to start moving my chat app into a multi-stage app Apr 21 02:15:02 oh, heh Apr 21 02:15:11 myles Apr 21 02:15:17 I'll give you the source to steamfriends if you want Apr 21 02:15:35 only reason its not opensource is because I didn't put my account as os when I mande it Apr 21 02:15:38 multi-stage as in card stage & dashboar stage Apr 21 02:15:39 made* Apr 21 02:15:56 Either of you got the source posted? Apr 21 02:16:41 I have the ipk's on my server, but thats it right now Apr 21 02:16:49 that's good enough Apr 21 02:17:04 dl the .ipk from precentral Apr 21 02:17:10 ah Apr 21 02:17:10 alright Apr 21 02:17:16 thanks guys, I'll be checking em out Apr 21 02:17:36 http://www.silentbluesystems.com/Downloads/com.silentbluesystems.steamfriends_0.6.5_all.ipk Apr 21 02:17:59 http://uploads.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/milez Apr 21 02:18:21 all the ipk files on my server are pre-rewrite tho Apr 21 02:19:02 halfhalo_T400: tis fine. I just need the multi-stage crapola! Apr 21 02:19:11 thanks haeffb and halfhalo_T400 Apr 21 02:19:23 de nada Apr 21 02:19:43 hmm, trying to remember if those ipks have dashboard stages or not.... Apr 21 02:19:48 I _think_ they do..... Apr 21 02:20:46 * halfhalo_T400 has a personal webos chat app he made for one of his friends Apr 21 02:21:00 halfhalo_T400: oh really, nice Apr 21 02:21:38 halfhalo_T400: when you were talking about file transfer, what was the method you were thinking? Apr 21 02:22:07 POST'ng data to a php server which stores it into a db Apr 21 02:22:23 what form would the data be in? Apr 21 02:22:29 binary blob Apr 21 02:22:59 would that be easier than base64? Apr 21 02:23:05 See, if I wasn't lazy I could clean up the chat app and release it as an OS app Apr 21 02:23:10 but... im lazy Apr 21 02:23:19 and as it stands its not really secure Apr 21 02:23:45 but considering theres like 5 people using it, I don't care Apr 21 02:24:30 Although I DO have the SSI set up.... Apr 21 02:25:05 halfhalo_T400: que es SSI? Apr 21 02:25:17 Server side implementation Apr 21 02:25:25 google came up with Scuba Schools International Apr 21 02:25:30 heh Apr 21 02:25:35 ah, yeah my server is set up Apr 21 02:25:43 my app is almost ready for beta Apr 21 02:25:50 just need to work out a few bugs Apr 21 02:26:09 then i need to make it worth using...heh Apr 21 02:26:19 lulz Apr 21 02:26:41 I have picture uploading in mine, file transfer shouldn't be to hard Apr 21 02:26:43 it needs notifications... and more importantly, mojo messaging service Apr 21 02:27:00 halfhalo_T400: I'll send you a message when I need your help 'D Apr 21 02:27:05 oops... ;D Apr 21 02:27:12 lol Apr 21 02:28:28 oh... and I need to add a software keyboard Apr 21 02:28:29 my way of getting around MMS is to just ping the server either every second if the other person is actively typing something, or every 2 seconds otherwise, and if there is no new messages, all my server says is messages:0 in json Apr 21 02:30:09 I do need to find a better auth system though Apr 21 02:30:10 btw, haeffb: miles looks very nice Apr 21 02:30:25 halfhalo_T400: i _need_ an auth system Apr 21 02:30:54 right now I just have a table that has nuid's and corresponding alias's Apr 21 02:33:41 I'm not using nuids for users Apr 21 02:34:10 peeps can log in with their passwords Apr 21 02:40:56 * Tibfib is dumb. Apr 21 02:41:09 I just tried to figure out why everything i sent in my chat app kept coming back... Apr 21 02:41:20 sending myself messages... doh Apr 21 02:43:56 paint.net is awesome Apr 21 02:45:52 haeffb: yes, yes it is Apr 21 02:46:09 precentral's app rating system is even lamer than palm's. Apr 21 02:47:48 * halfhalo_T400 wrote of a specification for a more robust chat app and is debating starting on it Apr 21 02:49:09 halfhalo_T400: two competing ones would suck Apr 21 02:49:09 * halfhalo_T400 included encrypting chat contents and file transfer along with a report user function Apr 21 02:49:41 * halfhalo_T400 ALSO included multiple devices tied to the same profile and vice versa Apr 21 02:50:00 * halfhalo_T400 will most likely never release it but only built it as a challenge Apr 21 02:50:14 halfhalo_T400: those are actually a lot of the goals in my app.. sans the encrypted chat Apr 21 02:51:14 * halfhalo_T400 has encrypted chat to both eliminate the possibility of someone modifying the ipk to retrieve chat logs/personal info from the server and to allow for a moderator and administrator class user Apr 21 02:51:41 * halfhalo_T400 also has it being incredibly scalable thanks in part to his real job's experience Apr 21 02:51:49 * halfhalo_T400 can't stop talking in third person Apr 21 02:51:57 * halfhalo_T400 for president Apr 21 02:52:46 * halfhalo_T400 has to catch em all Apr 21 02:53:21 * halfhalo_T400 single handedly killed irc Apr 21 02:55:10 * halfhalo_T400 loves himself Apr 21 02:58:00 :p Apr 21 02:59:29 FINE! Apr 21 02:59:40 since no-one wants to talk im leaving! Apr 21 02:59:53 halfhalo_T400: finish your chat app Apr 21 02:59:54 i like it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 21 02:59:56 2010