**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 21 02:59:56 2010 Apr 21 03:00:01 lol Apr 21 03:00:11 i was pushing for wirc to, by default, launch people into a #webos-chat channel on this server Apr 21 03:00:31 my main reason for finishing it is computer to pre file transfer and pre to pre file transfer Apr 21 03:01:07 ANYWAYS bbiab installing linux Apr 21 03:05:09 Someone go document multi-stage apps on webos101.com Apr 21 03:05:12 I know you want to! Apr 21 03:08:54 cya all Apr 21 03:28:25 Roy-Pre101: you mean like this: http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Apr 21 03:31:10 haeffb: nah, not like... holy cow! Yes. Apr 21 03:31:30 When did that show up there? :P Apr 21 03:32:38 January Apr 21 03:33:47 zere we go Apr 21 03:34:04 pfft. Apr 21 03:34:15 Well, color me stupid for not checking! Apr 21 03:34:17 someday I'll add dashboard info to it... Apr 21 03:34:21 ? Apr 21 03:34:38 I was just searching for that since that's the other thing I needed. Apr 21 03:37:01 Debating whether I like empathy or not Apr 21 03:48:16 Roy-Pre101: there's some dashboard stuff there now, but with no explanation. Figure it out & update the example... :) Apr 21 03:49:04 haeffb: Thank you! Apr 21 03:51:56 I will try to remember to flesh it out soon... Apr 21 04:06:56 wawawaaaa Apr 21 04:08:46 I froze my zune.... Apr 21 04:12:54 halfhalo: I didn't think it got that cold in CA. Apr 21 04:13:02 lol Apr 21 04:13:07 funny man.... Apr 21 04:29:40 mattsmcnulty: Going to go watch your screencast. Apr 21 04:29:57 ha, thanks. I worked long and hard for 25 minutes on it today ;-) Apr 21 04:30:14 I would watch it if I had flash installed... Apr 21 04:30:17 then made dion do the zooming and compression Apr 21 04:30:27 hehe Apr 21 04:30:45 mattsmcnulty: yeah was nice shows how painful other platforms are Apr 21 04:30:46 we need to do about 10 more Apr 21 04:30:57 * halfhalo just snapped Apr 21 04:31:46 * halfhalo is grabbing his emergency installed (Read: Axe) and is going to install some upgrades into the mysql enterprise server so it stops spamming him Apr 21 04:31:52 installer* Apr 21 04:33:15 oh god Apr 21 04:33:23 now the test server as well.... Apr 21 04:36:39 BURN VM BURN Apr 21 04:38:09 halfhalo: Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Apr 21 04:38:45 he knows that already. he has a zune Apr 21 04:39:02 Hate leads me to restart the hardware box that my dept's exchange vm is on so I won't get spammed by the mysql enterprise backup reports Apr 21 04:39:11 and dammit I like my zune hd! Apr 21 04:39:41 ok, watching lost now. later gents Apr 21 07:49:22 does someone have any idea about this problem : http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/242634-listselector-choices-updates.html Apr 21 07:49:25 ? Apr 21 13:40:51 morn'n haeffb_pre Apr 21 13:43:31 *Wave* Apr 21 13:45:29 BMyers_: 'sup? Apr 21 14:08:42 trying some hackintosh stuff out haeffb_pre . u? Apr 21 14:55:23 workin at real work Apr 21 15:14:00 yo Apr 21 15:20:51 yo Apr 21 15:26:55 yo Apr 21 15:32:07 oy Apr 21 15:46:43 yo yo Apr 21 16:05:46 arroyo Apr 21 16:15:41 anyone watch matt McN's video about ares? Apr 21 16:17:56 I need to... Apr 21 16:21:17 yo Apr 21 16:25:35 hey guys, gimme some help here - i guess im missing some basic concepts Apr 21 16:25:52 looking through the messaging app sample Apr 21 16:26:12 what's the advantage of using webkit-border-image Apr 21 16:26:18 over just background-image Apr 21 16:26:38 i truly dont get it Apr 21 16:26:46 but, im dumb so... Apr 21 16:31:00 not sure the real differences...I know that you can use webkit-border-image to "slice up" the background image you want to do and (supposedly) make rounded corners and whatnot Apr 21 16:31:23 not sure if it works...it used to only work with NO background image Apr 21 16:31:36 well, with the webkit-border you may have a border and a background image.. Apr 21 16:37:58 but what i'm reading is, if you specify 0 5 0 5 for instance, Apr 21 16:38:10 the border is is 5px right and left Apr 21 16:38:25 and that is taken from the extreme right and love 5px of the image itself Apr 21 16:38:32 love? Apr 21 16:38:36 yikes, freud Apr 21 16:38:38 left Apr 21 16:39:19 me tipe bad Apr 21 16:41:52 i guess the question is - on the messaging app for instance, the list row backgrounds are webkit-border-images Apr 21 16:42:03 and not just backgrounds Apr 21 16:58:45 Hello Apr 21 16:58:52 hi Apr 21 16:59:13 I have a problem without a solution. Apr 21 17:00:18 Oh reary? What might that be Apr 21 17:00:19 I want to change the color of the tooglebuton with javascript, but i not able to do this. (I have allready a new png with the new color for the button. Apr 21 17:00:49 You would have to override the css and make your own toggle button Apr 21 17:01:00 I tried: this.controller.get("$ID).style.backgroud = "url("...."); Apr 21 17:01:42 that won't work for mojo Apr 21 17:01:52 also added a new css and this.controller.get("$ID).className = "color"; Apr 21 17:02:12 that wouldn't work either methinks Apr 21 17:02:31 it has to do with the way Mojo generates the html for the widgets Apr 21 17:02:32 override css works, but then ALL toggle buttons have the new color. Apr 21 17:05:12 Hmmm. I know its possible and I think I have done it before, but all my code is at home Apr 21 17:07:36 and I need to change the color on runtime, not only on startup Apr 21 17:17:36 does anyone know a possibility to address a drawn image within a canvas so that i can add an event listener to it? Apr 21 17:45:36 you add a listener to the canvas and get the coordinates. Apr 21 17:46:36 what know in the what what? Apr 21 17:46:56 Who's on first. Apr 21 17:47:05 * halfhalo_T400 is confused Apr 21 17:48:38 BigBiff: wbekit-border-image uses those numbers to specify how many pixels from top/left/etc of the original image it should use to draw the border and everything else becomes the background Apr 21 17:48:42 is that helpful? Apr 21 17:48:54 * halfhalo_T400 is just going to sit here and look usefull Apr 21 17:50:26 * sugardave urges VMware tools to copy faster. Apr 21 17:50:49 I have a Beatles Rock Band trophy I have to get before 7:30 pm Apr 21 17:50:53 * halfhalo_T400 has an unopened copy of vmware server on his desk.... Apr 21 17:50:57 lol Apr 21 17:52:29 * halfhalo_T400 rally doesn't want to be in class Apr 21 18:28:34 evening Apr 21 18:29:09 hey lonestar Apr 21 18:29:21 look who it is.... Apr 21 18:29:40 hello all Apr 21 18:29:59 so, mcafee is screwed Apr 21 18:30:23 anything new in the webos world? Apr 21 18:30:31 hey halfhalo Apr 21 18:30:42 hola Apr 21 18:30:51 how can i contact you or rick, halfhalo (just in case my flight gets in late or whatever) Apr 21 18:31:03 email or phone would work Apr 21 18:31:06 or im Apr 21 18:31:24 pm me the details? Apr 21 18:31:28 or possibly yelling really loudly Apr 21 18:31:35 or ask the police Apr 21 18:31:47 if they arrested anyone for reckless driving Apr 21 18:32:34 that always works Apr 21 18:34:15 * haeffb_pre still can't believe fiber is coming to my home... Apr 21 18:34:27 wohoo Apr 21 18:34:30 how soon? Apr 21 18:34:31 I cant believe its not butter! Apr 21 18:34:44 hallo zigulle Apr 21 18:35:06 kinda weird, but police in the US usually are not allowed to give anyone a ride or help on the road, unless you are being arrested Apr 21 18:35:11 construction starts in two weeks Apr 21 18:35:42 figure a month to get me hooked up? Apr 21 18:36:19 cell company is installing a new tower & running fiber down my road. Apr 21 18:36:21 who is the provider? Apr 21 18:36:29 lucky sob Apr 21 18:36:35 anyone ever sold a website on ebay? Apr 21 18:37:05 hi again Apr 21 18:37:14 only cell tower near my house is for verizon and they aint putting fios in since once they started, they would have to offer it to everyone in the district within a few years Apr 21 18:37:17 goodbye EVDO. hello 10MB. Apr 21 18:37:37 Thats ALMOST as fast as my work connection.... Apr 21 18:37:41 well, not really, but Apr 21 18:38:28 better than 56k dialup I had when I bought the place 5 yrs ago... Apr 21 18:38:42 i remember my first modem ... 1200baud Apr 21 18:38:49 you're kidding, yeah? Apr 21 18:38:50 how times have changed Apr 21 18:38:55 i'm not kidding Apr 21 18:38:57 not you Apr 21 18:39:01 my first was 300 Apr 21 18:39:02 :P Apr 21 18:39:07 I mean haeffb_pre Apr 21 18:39:09 heh Apr 21 18:39:10 I remember dial up... then I remember coming back one day and finding out my dad got road runner Apr 21 18:39:13 56K 5 years ago? Apr 21 18:39:54 you haven't lived until you download 1MB of freshly cracked C-64 gaming goodness at 300 bps Apr 21 18:40:10 oh, how i remember those days Apr 21 18:40:14 I want wimax..... Apr 21 18:40:41 hmmm Apr 21 18:40:51 to go to my phil class or go home and get food.... Apr 21 18:40:52 yes, how I remember those days is also a mystery ;) Apr 21 18:41:53 sugardave: actually the phone line was so bad that 24k was the best I could do. Apr 21 18:42:15 not even 33.6? weak...that would drive me insane Apr 21 18:42:39 i remember getting a special hayes modem Apr 21 18:42:47 that could do more that the others Apr 21 18:42:52 also with a special serial card Apr 21 18:43:00 +++ Apr 21 18:43:09 and special driver (os/2 at that time) Apr 21 18:43:10 and I went from cable modem at my previous place to that.... Apr 21 18:43:17 bbl Apr 21 18:43:22 driving homeish Apr 21 18:43:31 it was...painful Apr 21 18:43:51 haeffb_pre: no doubt, I don't know if I could deal with that Apr 21 18:44:25 I basically quit using the interwebs for two years. Apr 21 18:44:43 the WildBlue to the rescue! Apr 21 18:44:59 then sprint EVDO Apr 21 18:45:06 any time the wife starts itching to leave the ghetto-lite, I remind her that she has to look for places with at least cable or better Apr 21 18:45:13 which is tolerable. Apr 21 18:45:35 we have some "4G" service here now called Clear. I wonder if it's worth a crap Apr 21 18:46:05 anyone had luck selling apps in UK? Apr 21 18:46:27 no, but I'm getting close to $1K total sales since Halloween :D Apr 21 18:46:36 er, total revenue Apr 21 18:47:00 sugardave: a month? Apr 21 18:47:09 no, total Apr 21 18:47:11 hah Apr 21 18:47:12 sugardave: clear sucks Apr 21 18:47:13 I wish Apr 21 18:47:16 friends tried it Apr 21 18:47:22 codeslaw: I figured as much Apr 21 18:48:20 you guys seen the rumors about the C40? Apr 21 18:48:40 hey codeslaw Apr 21 18:48:46 nothing beyond "coming to Sprint" a long time ago Apr 21 18:48:47 yeah, for a while already Apr 21 18:48:50 whatsup swisstomcat Apr 21 18:49:05 there was some new info on it, from the same guy who leaked the htc EVO Apr 21 18:49:13 precentral forums Apr 21 18:49:24 is it a tablet? :D Apr 21 18:49:26 i had the hardest time rearranging all my travel plans after my original flight was cancelled ... but i'm going to the developer days Apr 21 18:49:31 sugardave: yes that was helpful Apr 21 18:49:39 BigBiff: YAY! Apr 21 18:49:51 hehe - from like 2 hours ago (i just sat back down) Apr 21 18:49:58 hi codeslaw Apr 21 18:50:22 sup LoneStar99 Apr 21 18:50:53 The palm C40 is going to be quite the device. Naturally we are talking 4G and flash. The device will be "naturally simple" in harware as the pre, but you won't confuse the 2 phones haha. Bigger screen 1ghz processor and a new "breed" of webOS made exclusively for 4G. If you are a webOS fan this will be your dessert. Late summer/early fall 2010----" Apr 21 18:51:02 http://forums.precentral.net/future-palm-devices/241604-palm-c40-info.html#post2380560 Apr 21 18:51:32 swisstomcat: did ash affect any suisse airports? Apr 21 18:51:39 yeah Apr 21 18:51:53 all the swiss airports were closed for a few days Apr 21 18:52:05 cool, I might do the early upgrade for the C40, then Apr 21 18:52:06 we'll see Apr 21 18:52:31 and american airlines is having the first flight to the US tomorrow .. they cancelled yesterdays flight which i was supposed to be on :( Apr 21 18:53:53 will u make it for palm dev? Apr 21 18:54:00 yeah, for saturday Apr 21 18:54:04 i'm flying on friday Apr 21 18:54:23 oh well, i'll miss one day Apr 21 18:54:31 atleast you did not stranded in some other airport... Apr 21 18:54:40 i've been following that thread codeslaw. seems too good to be true. did you read the other thread about some dude's conversation with a verizon exec or something? Apr 21 18:54:59 dpivs: no, link? Apr 21 18:55:07 i Apr 21 18:55:11 i'll find it, hold on Apr 21 18:56:56 http://forums.precentral.net/cdma-north-america/241984-my-dinner-conversation-verizon-executive.html Apr 21 18:57:28 C40 sounds like a volvo Apr 21 18:58:18 volvo = S40 Apr 21 19:00:28 they make a C40 also Apr 21 19:00:32 dont they? Apr 21 19:00:45 yes Apr 21 19:00:47 the google has confirmed Apr 21 19:01:34 oh yeah Apr 21 19:01:45 ugh, looks like rain for thursday. Apr 21 19:01:49 so palm and volvo are working together? Apr 21 19:01:50 anyone messed with draggable elements yet? Apr 21 19:01:58 ping roy-pre101 Apr 21 19:02:04 pin Apr 21 19:02:06 e Apr 21 19:02:07 pint Apr 21 19:02:09 Pre c40 turbo Apr 21 19:02:12 pink Apr 21 19:17:22 codeslaw: google confirmed what? Apr 21 19:17:52 pandora--, that volvo has a c40 i think. Apr 21 19:19:53 yeah a c40 volvo Apr 21 19:20:10 looks like a hatchback Apr 21 19:20:34 what'd they confirm? Apr 21 19:20:40 that the c40 runs android? Apr 21 19:28:47 that the c40 is destroyer of worlds. Apr 21 19:31:39 what is c40 Apr 21 19:33:27 * pandora-- has no idea what is being talked about Apr 21 19:35:12 Sprint has listed a model C40 in the inventory system for a long time. Rumors abut what it is abound. Apr 21 19:36:56 the the c40 webos volvo computer-car with appstore and multitasking AI Apr 21 19:36:58 awesome Apr 21 19:38:30 * haeffb_pre reads Precentral's review of TealSpeed. Apr 21 19:38:41 c40 is just the pixi plus Apr 21 19:39:01 have they ever reviewed an app they *like*? Apr 21 19:40:06 they should review myles Apr 21 19:40:09 :) Apr 21 19:40:24 hell no Apr 21 19:40:54 i wonder if tealpoint is just one guy. Apr 21 19:42:06 hey guys i have a quick question about using parameters with an event handler Apr 21 19:42:14 I don't wonder Apr 21 19:42:25 i have Apr 21 19:42:43 this.handlerFunction = this.handlerFunction.bind(this); Apr 21 19:43:12 looks good so far Apr 21 19:43:20 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("divId"), Mojo.Event.tap, this.handlerFunction(param)); Apr 21 19:43:27 nope Apr 21 19:43:37 hmm Apr 21 19:43:45 do i have to do .bind(this,param)? Apr 21 19:43:58 this.handlerFunction = this.handlerFunction.bindAsEventListener(this, param); Apr 21 19:44:10 er Apr 21 19:44:22 this.functionHandler = this.handlerFunction.bindAsEventListener(this, param); Apr 21 19:44:23 the issue is i want to call the same function but depending on the div tapped, there are 11 different values for the parameter Apr 21 19:44:25 that's better Apr 21 19:44:32 wow, my beta already has over 2700 downloads Apr 21 19:45:18 look at event to determine which div was tapped Apr 21 19:45:21 jdforsythe: are the parameters the div name? Apr 21 19:45:56 what haeffb_pre said Apr 21 19:45:56 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta Apr 21 19:45:56 no but they could be. easy enough to change Apr 21 19:46:01 i had some troubles with getting the id of the tapped div Apr 21 19:46:08 how do you get the div name? event.? Apr 21 19:46:15 in my app (strange enough it worked in the emulator) Apr 21 19:46:16 it's somewhere in event Apr 21 19:46:17 yeah Apr 21 19:46:20 event.target.id Apr 21 19:46:25 ah ha Apr 21 19:46:28 awesome Apr 21 19:46:36 or event.srcElement.id Apr 21 19:46:48 or both! Apr 21 19:46:54 or neither! Apr 21 19:47:05 swisstomcat: nice about your beta! Apr 21 19:47:06 or event.originalEvent.target Apr 21 19:47:29 cool. but the question still remains, if that wouldn't work, how could i have the reference with the bind() so i can use stopListening, but still pass a parameter? Apr 21 19:47:31 just inspect event to see what's in there Apr 21 19:47:38 i wonder if i can charge more than the usual $.99 for a game Apr 21 19:47:53 * haeffb_pre doesn't know that you can Apr 21 19:47:55 swisstomcat: I have a $1.99 game Apr 21 19:48:02 how does it do? Apr 21 19:48:14 meh, I'm not paying any bills with it Apr 21 19:48:24 yea none of us are lol Apr 21 19:48:28 but, I also haven't had it on the top of the list since November Apr 21 19:48:30 isn't paratroopers $1.99 too? Apr 21 19:48:31 gameloft charges 4.99 to 9.99 Apr 21 19:49:03 I did purchase my laptop with the money I made, though Apr 21 19:49:03 but for GAMES not games Apr 21 19:49:07 so I've got that going for me Apr 21 19:49:17 that's cool Apr 21 19:49:20 now anyone has an idea, how to change the color of some toggleButtons Apr 21 19:49:42 zigulle: give them a diff css class Apr 21 19:50:07 I also don't want to make $.99 pricing...I will always start at $1.43 Apr 21 19:50:18 yeah, good idea Apr 21 19:50:21 but, you're not in dollars, so it might not matter to you as much Apr 21 19:50:36 i have to see how it goes Apr 21 19:50:52 same here. got the laptop i'm on with app sales Apr 21 19:50:52 sorry, i'm to foolish. I tried but it did'nt work Apr 21 19:50:54 charge $0,99 the first day and then jack up the price to $99 ... hope no one will notice Apr 21 19:50:59 haha Apr 21 19:51:15 lol Apr 21 19:51:17 "I always get the decimal place wrong!" Apr 21 19:51:35 there is at least one app that did that i think .. it's $99 Apr 21 19:52:18 zigulle: look at the css used for the default toggles. change the images to your new colors. make a class that uses those images & apply to the toggles you want changed. Apr 21 19:52:51 haeffb_pre is a CSS master Apr 21 19:52:53 he can do it in his sleep Apr 21 19:53:19 css hack, rather. Apr 21 19:53:21 sugardave: had an app that was selling nicely at $2.49 Apr 21 19:53:38 but will probably lower price in the next week or so Apr 21 19:53:39 exactly thats the way I did it. then I used
but it didnt work Apr 21 19:54:17 another idea would be to use the host mode of the emulator and then look at the css with chrome developer/safari developer Apr 21 19:55:03 zigulle: you can also do "var tgID = event.target.id;" Apr 21 19:55:20 LoneStar99: cool, I have a good app idea, but I have to wait for the "proposed adult filter" idea to actually go somewhere and do something Apr 21 19:56:09 WHY CAN'T I ADD NEW CONTACTS?!?! Apr 21 19:56:15 haeffb_pre: the original image is used in .toogle-button.true in the global.css. When I make a new .toogle-button.true with the new color, every toogle button is changed. Apr 21 19:57:40 zigulle: you don't want to change the .toggle-button.true class Apr 21 19:58:26 sugardave: "Hot Chicks from Mars" Apr 21 19:58:32 you want a new class that redefines the image, then apply that class to the toggles you want to change Apr 21 19:58:35 i think he's saying to make a new class and set it to those you want to change Apr 21 19:58:52 not change the class they already have Apr 21 19:59:04 jdforsythe: I think so too... :) Apr 21 19:59:11 haffb_pre;: yes of course, but I'm not able to make a new class and use it correctly. Apr 21 19:59:40 pastebin the new class definition Apr 21 20:00:34 haeffb_pre: Apr 21 20:00:36 .toggle-button.red.true { Apr 21 20:00:37 float: right; Apr 21 20:00:39 margin-right: -11px; Apr 21 20:00:40 width: 34px; Apr 21 20:00:42 height: 30px; Apr 21 20:00:43 background: url(../images/header-toggle-on-red.png); Apr 21 20:02:07 btw, event.target.id - works perfectly Apr 21 20:02:08 thanks Apr 21 20:02:17 great Apr 21 20:02:49 one more issue and then i can start on a whole new ui for pixi... ugh Apr 21 20:02:49 i had 15 listeners in my app too until i used that method Apr 21 20:04:09 zigulle: : do you know how to use inspector? Apr 21 20:05:23 haeffb_pre: no, never used it Apr 21 20:06:13 look it up...it's worth learning when you start changing CSS Apr 21 20:06:35 how do you apply the class to your toggle? Apr 21 20:06:37 is anyone using host mode for that inspecting an app? Apr 21 20:06:45 not yet Apr 21 20:07:05 it's pretty cool Apr 21 20:07:24 safari reqired? Apr 21 20:08:34 safari/chrome Apr 21 20:08:37 i was using chrome Apr 21 20:09:14 haeffb_pre: tryed differned things:
or $("Smtp").className = "toogle-button.red"; in js Apr 21 20:09:53 mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Apr 21 20:09:57 tis good fod Apr 21 20:09:59 food Apr 21 20:10:12 typo? or did you forget a " in your code? Apr 21 20:10:20 class="toggle-button.red" Apr 21 20:11:10 typo! Apr 21 20:11:18 hmmmmm Apr 21 20:11:20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sophistechate/4540824669/ Apr 21 20:12:16 mmmmmmmmmm Apr 21 20:12:18 cool Apr 21 20:12:44 you need to define toggle-button-red ? Apr 21 20:12:46 i see a book in those bags Apr 21 20:12:51 swisstomcat, talk to Adora or chuqui_napping to see if you can get one even though you wont be there friday Apr 21 20:13:04 And toggle-button-red .true Apr 21 20:13:06 ? Apr 21 20:13:29 i'm sure i can get one on saturday, halfhalo Apr 21 20:13:37 I won't be there Friday...or Saturday...won't someone PLEASE think of the sugardave? Apr 21 20:13:45 no Apr 21 20:13:51 sadness Apr 21 20:13:54 yeah what sugardave said Apr 21 20:14:05 ill be going west, but not far enough, heading to WI for the weekend Apr 21 20:14:13 cheese head Apr 21 20:14:24 i have innout Apr 21 20:14:25 i happy Apr 21 20:14:29 mh.. when using canvas onhold i get a "RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded" .. .any ideas? Apr 21 20:14:42 haeffb_pre I dont no, I only want to change the color, maybe I have do define both? Apr 21 20:14:48 doesn't sound good, joetweeply Apr 21 20:15:05 joetweeply: I reckon you have exceeded the stack size somehow... Apr 21 20:15:06 there is just a simple alert in the handler... yet i get this error Apr 21 20:15:11 I think you do Apr 21 20:15:30 stop stacking so much stuff... Apr 21 20:15:49 * haeffb_pre high fives sugardave Apr 21 20:15:51 but i don't do anything in this function but a simple alert Apr 21 20:15:59 joetweeply: 20 bucks says its trying to either excecute itself or excecute something that excecutes it Apr 21 20:16:23 I do my excecuting the old fashioned way. Apr 21 20:16:25 with a gun Apr 21 20:17:18 oh now i get it... it exceeds with a simple alert( Object.toJSON( event ) ); ? why's that Apr 21 20:17:34 event is too large Apr 21 20:17:40 huge even Apr 21 20:17:53 its just rearry reary big Apr 21 20:18:04 Godzilla event Apr 21 20:18:14 heh Apr 21 20:18:23 yeah... totally godzilla to dump some stuff Apr 21 20:18:30 heh Apr 21 20:18:42 wawawa Apr 21 20:18:45 try it in a div first, then one line at a time to mojo log Apr 21 20:18:46 Now I'm sad Apr 21 20:18:51 finished my doubledouble Apr 21 20:20:20 any idea how i can see the parameters of the event that i get in the event handler? Apr 21 20:21:53 yeah Apr 21 20:22:05 function handler(eventParms) { } Apr 21 20:22:33 Hmmm Apr 21 20:22:37 Its raining again... Apr 21 20:23:04 * sugardave tries to figure out what dawm just wrote. Apr 21 20:23:18 it seems like I might be able to sue something like that...if I could figure out how :P Apr 21 20:23:22 * halfhalo_T400 doesnt even try anymore. Just go along with the flow Apr 21 20:23:27 i was talking to joetweeply Apr 21 20:23:29 it's a function, sugardave Apr 21 20:23:33 Ewww Apr 21 20:23:35 functions Apr 21 20:23:39 I thought those died Apr 21 20:24:02 mything = function(eventParms) {}....but won't eventParms just be event? Apr 21 20:24:05 so dawm how can i see the parameters of the event object i get in my handler? Apr 21 20:24:15 sugar you so silly Apr 21 20:24:41 joetweeply, inside the function you now have an object eventParms Apr 21 20:24:55 yeah ... and what are the parameter names? Apr 21 20:25:03 so for example if (eventParms.movement > 3) { do something } Apr 21 20:25:06 oh Apr 21 20:25:09 just dump them to a log Apr 21 20:25:21 Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(eventParms)); Apr 21 20:25:21 yeah but the dump gives me a RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded Apr 21 20:25:28 joetweeply: I wrote a function that prints line by line the properties and their values of an object Apr 21 20:25:35 that way it won't do that call stack thing Apr 21 20:25:39 want it? Apr 21 20:25:43 now that sounds nice Apr 21 20:25:44 i do :) Apr 21 20:25:48 hang on a sec Apr 21 20:25:50 sure sugardave Apr 21 20:25:51 sugardave, you know you can name a function var anything right? Apr 21 20:26:06 function sugarHandler (sillyEvent) { } Apr 21 20:26:06 I don't use functions Apr 21 20:26:18 or Apr 21 20:26:21 dawm: yeah, I don't write them like that, though Apr 21 20:26:28 I thought something was different about naming them that way? Apr 21 20:26:31 i was trying to make it simple to explain Apr 21 20:26:34 I see Apr 21 20:26:36 no its the order Apr 21 20:26:38 so it's the same Apr 21 20:26:40 yeah? Apr 21 20:26:50 yeah it just assigned inside the function to that name Apr 21 20:26:53 sugarHandler = function(sillyEvent) {} Apr 21 20:26:58 same thing? Apr 21 20:27:06 yeah Apr 21 20:27:09 cool Apr 21 20:27:10 thanks Apr 21 20:27:12 thats prototype style i believe Apr 21 20:27:13 i'm about to say screw pixi users and just start releasing stuff for pre Apr 21 20:27:21 didnt work, no idea. . Apr 21 20:27:26 too damn much work to make two uis for the different devices Apr 21 20:27:30 no-one likes pixi users Apr 21 20:27:34 lol Apr 21 20:27:38 and its web based.... should be same ui... Apr 21 20:27:56 so where is the function sugardave? Apr 21 20:28:04 anyways im off to pack some bags, grab the tools and take off on my weekend trip. ill try and check in while im away :P Apr 21 20:28:11 well with the lesser amount of real estate i have to remove some things from the screen and compress the space in between Apr 21 20:28:13 i just got on to sync my ipood Apr 21 20:28:18 lol Apr 21 20:28:21 zune hd ftw Apr 21 20:28:24 jdforsythe, just resize Apr 21 20:28:35 use percentages Apr 21 20:28:35 doesn't work that way in this app Apr 21 20:28:45 that must suck for you Apr 21 20:28:51 yea lol Apr 21 20:29:04 my debug functions, note that these are from when I first learned js, so they can be greatly improved: http://webos.pastebin.com/gvnhPkPB Apr 21 20:29:17 heh Apr 21 20:29:18 this works out to 4 different designs - free pixi, free pre, paid pixi, and paid pre versions.. ugh Apr 21 20:29:22 thanx will take a look Apr 21 20:29:25 I just do Mojo.log(jsonthingie) Apr 21 20:29:25 and you'll only be able to see the output in /var/log/messages Apr 21 20:29:30 works out just fine Apr 21 20:29:42 jdforsythe, just have the app decide what device its on and display content accordingly Apr 21 20:29:50 you dont need device specific repeat apps Apr 21 20:30:13 how can I see the app-html-code to see which class is used Apr 21 20:30:27 don't have a paid version. cuts the work in half. Apr 21 20:30:39 inspector Apr 21 20:30:50 gadget! Apr 21 20:30:56 zigulle: use Inspector Apr 21 20:30:57 which inspector, palm-inspector? Apr 21 20:30:57 or have a free version taht is a time limited paid version Apr 21 20:31:02 yeah Apr 21 20:31:07 it does decide and show a different scene, but the problem is that i'm updating my guitar tuner and i have hard-coded places for the divs that overlay strings in the image Apr 21 20:31:18 but i have to have a smaller image for the pixi, therefore smaller divs Apr 21 20:31:19 yes, that inspector Apr 21 20:31:25 zigulle: you have to launch the app in inspect mode Apr 21 20:31:27 jdforsythe, theres this thing called CSS Apr 21 20:31:35 just make a device specific css file Apr 21 20:31:41 youll have to unhardcode Apr 21 20:31:55 but thats less work to manage in the long run having 4 code bases Apr 21 20:31:59 sugardave: how can I do this? Apr 21 20:32:00 i'm not making myself clear i gues Apr 21 20:32:03 it' Apr 21 20:32:06 dawm: I'll handle the comedy in here...! Apr 21 20:32:14 zigulle: do you use Komodo Edit or Eclipse? Apr 21 20:32:14 it's still 4 different designs whether it's in css or js Apr 21 20:32:25 sugardave eclipse Apr 21 20:32:45 zigulle: hmmm, I think there's a launch option for it....I use Komodo Edit :D Apr 21 20:32:46 zigulle: go to palm dev site & search for inspector Apr 21 20:33:01 you can also do it from the command line with palm-launch -i, I think Apr 21 20:33:08 you can dave Apr 21 20:33:10 do it from command line Apr 21 20:33:27 palm-launch -i -d tcp Apr 21 20:33:34 com.my.app Apr 21 20:33:41 i dont have a com.my.app Apr 21 20:33:57 zigulle: note you have to launch the app in inspect mode BEFORE you run palm inspector Apr 21 20:34:11 tcp for emu, usb for device Apr 21 20:34:37 dawm, make one quick. they sell like hotcakes! Apr 21 20:35:11 http://i43.tinypic.com/x66o6.png Apr 21 20:35:15 oh, and those of you who do use my debugObject function....the 'noFuncs' parameter is very helpful Apr 21 20:35:25 that's my background - there's no way to make it fit correctly on a pixi Apr 21 20:35:28 really cuts down on a lot of crap Apr 21 20:35:36 so i need a new background and therefore new dimensions and positions for all the divs Apr 21 20:37:00 heading home, chat y'all later Apr 21 20:37:00 should have started on a pixi... :) Apr 21 20:37:25 maybe, but then there would be 80px empty space on the pre version lol Apr 21 20:37:55 i guess it's not toooo bad. just going to cut the size of the guitar neck down and then i'll just have to change all the top coordinates Apr 21 20:43:43 hi Apr 21 20:43:49 hola Apr 21 20:43:56 is there a list of widget with screenshots of what it's supposed to look like ? Apr 21 20:44:15 uiwidget sample app... Apr 21 20:49:13 ah, right Apr 21 20:49:16 hmm.. Apr 21 20:49:35 but I thought I could see that on the doc, without having to run some app.. Apr 21 20:49:39 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1687&Itemid=44 Apr 21 20:49:41 thanks for your help, next try tomorrow Apr 21 20:49:43 bye Apr 21 20:49:46 isn't there a syntax error here ? Apr 21 20:56:20 * halfhalo_T400 is packing up right now Apr 21 20:57:53 is it possible to display an appMenu in fullscreen ? Apr 21 20:57:58 reserver one of those bags for me, will you, halfhalo Apr 21 20:58:02 reserve Apr 21 20:58:13 btw: is the app menu unique, or can I instatiant an app-menu anywhere I want ? Apr 21 20:58:44 leo: you can set one by scene .. or a global one Apr 21 20:59:16 can I show it in fullscreen mode ? Apr 21 20:59:34 swisstomcat: I'll try, but you should ask chuqui_napping to as well, since he actually has a say in it Apr 21 20:59:56 chuq knows that i'll arrive saturday Apr 21 21:00:08 now you made him leave! Apr 21 21:00:10 :) Apr 21 21:01:39 swisstomcat: have a good flight Apr 21 21:01:45 need to go move dirt Apr 21 21:01:57 i'm flying friday Apr 21 21:02:27 oh friday, was thinking it was thrusday Apr 21 21:02:41 well see call in awhile need to plant some trees Apr 21 21:02:47 swisstomcat: translation? Apr 21 21:02:48 allright Apr 21 21:03:01 haeffb: :( Apr 21 21:03:10 i was so busy with all the rescheduling Apr 21 21:03:16 sorry Apr 21 21:03:32 give you something to do on the flight.. :) Apr 21 21:03:40 yup Apr 21 21:05:21 Does anyone know where the documentation is for styling dashboard scenes? Apr 21 21:05:49 where the hell is my headphone case... Apr 21 21:06:07 behind you Apr 21 21:06:24 ... Apr 21 21:07:25 haeffb: where's unfiled used? Apr 21 21:09:07 category Apr 21 21:09:38 going afk for a while... Apr 21 21:10:00 and "Update Category"? Apr 21 21:10:03 change the category? Apr 21 21:10:09 edit it? Apr 21 21:22:36 it's adora! Apr 21 21:22:38 and chuq Apr 21 21:22:56 hide all puppies and kittens Apr 21 21:31:46 i'm off, goodnight everyone Apr 21 21:33:06 cya swisstomcat Apr 21 21:34:09 wakkawakka Apr 21 21:34:21 alright Apr 21 21:36:16 Done for now. Apr 21 21:36:43 yay, thanks haeffb for the multi-stage article Apr 21 21:36:51 (on webos101.com) Apr 21 21:59:45 I was using "document.anchors" in a scene on my app... which doesn't work in multi-stage... What is the correct way to use this? Apr 21 22:13:06 I'm packing! Hope I don't forget my toothbrush. Apr 21 22:13:17 already packed almost everything Apr 21 22:13:22 mattsmcnulty: Derick may be looking for you. Apr 21 22:13:32 he got me Apr 21 22:13:44 only things not packed up are my zune and pre and glasses Apr 21 22:14:10 Now, do I get you? :) Apr 21 22:14:12 About to go clean out car as well, just waiting for someone else to get home so I don't have to kick the dog out of the house while I'm out there Apr 21 22:14:31 And why is it raining again.... Apr 21 22:15:17 more importantly, who the hell put crap on the ping pong table so I can't fold it up and move it out of the way in teh garage so I can pull my car into there Apr 21 22:15:34 halfhalo_T400: sorry that was me Apr 21 22:15:48 Grrr Apr 21 22:15:57 gotta get the blood out of the back of my car Apr 21 22:16:01 that should be fun.... Apr 21 22:19:01 it's still sunny in oc. gonna walk the dog and see how far we get til it starts raining, w00t. Apr 21 22:19:57 was raining here earlier, but sunny now. I'm home in SF today Apr 21 22:21:48 mattsmcnulty: Going to be in SF on Thursday? Apr 21 22:22:00 (tomorrow) Apr 21 22:22:05 down in Sunnyvale during the day, SF at night, as usual Apr 21 22:22:10 Mmm Apr 21 22:23:11 Going to hit the farmers market tomorrow (I think Thursday is a day for it, gotta check) Apr 21 22:23:30 (@ferry marketplace) Apr 21 22:29:14 yeah, thursday is one of the days Apr 21 22:29:22 ferry bldg is awesome Apr 21 22:29:57 hi Apr 21 22:30:28 someone have an ideia of how can i get the md5 of request body of palm://com.palm.downloadmanager/ Apr 21 22:30:45 or at least the request body before the request... Apr 21 22:30:49 ? Apr 21 22:54:26 * haeffb is mad at all the people packing for dev days...since he doesn't get to go... Apr 21 22:59:04 Is there any way to turn on a debugging mode for the alarm service so that I can make the interval less than 5 minutes? Apr 21 22:59:31 Right now when I use the 'in' parameter it will only go to 5 minutes and no lower, this makes things rather tricky to debug :S Apr 21 23:02:48 Also does anyone see anything wrong with this? http://pastie.org/928902 It should open the tasks app after 5 minutes right? Apr 21 23:03:29 use "at" Apr 21 23:03:55 Ohhh will do :) Apr 21 23:05:17 alarm service is a pita. we are talking about having some way to make that 5 minute minimum optional on the emulator or something Apr 21 23:05:45 * haeffb is pretty sure "at" will work for 30 sec. Apr 21 23:06:14 haeffb: I'm gonna try that now. I'll just put together a new date object and add 30-35 seconds. I'll report back in a sec Apr 21 23:06:55 haeffb: if it helps at all, I'm not packing for dev days Apr 21 23:07:06 ah. yeah. not so much... :) Apr 21 23:07:14 at the moment, I'd love to pack for a non-dev day Apr 21 23:07:23 I can believe that. Apr 21 23:08:34 Ok this may sound silly, but what's the fastest way to add 30 seconds to the current time AND output it to the format that the alarm service wants? Apr 21 23:08:40 haeffb: I've been looking at the source of myles... do you know where an example of creating a dashboard from a scene is? Apr 21 23:09:43 not sure what you mean by create dashboard from scene.... Apr 21 23:09:48 dashboard is a new stage Apr 21 23:10:02 well can you have a scene assistant create the stage? Apr 21 23:10:07 catalystmedia: just a sec. Apr 21 23:10:41 (i mean how do you reference the app-assistant to create the stage) Apr 21 23:12:20 catalystmedia: there is probably a much more elegant solution, but: http://pastie.org/928916 Apr 21 23:13:01 Thanks haeffb I'm glad I didn't try to do that from scratch :S Apr 21 23:14:07 you have to have a ref to the appController Apr 21 23:14:28 Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); ? Apr 21 23:14:38 something like that Apr 21 23:15:01 okay, do you know where in your app you do that? like a scene assistant? I want to see the launchParams Apr 21 23:15:16 but if your scene is open, why do you need a dashboard? Apr 21 23:15:46 ok Apr 21 23:15:49 launchParams are in your appAssistant's handleLaunch method. Apr 21 23:15:53 true. I'm just trying to figure out how the dashboard stuff works Apr 21 23:16:01 car is now clean...er Apr 21 23:16:12 haeffb: on line 2 you put this.miles.reminderTime, what should that be? I'm guessing a 1 for 1 minute Apr 21 23:16:33 so when is someone going to create a better google maps app using the maps widget in ares and a command menu, etc? I did the best I could to seed it Apr 21 23:16:37 I even wiped the brake dust from the wheels, which is strange since I didn't think I HAD any brakes left Apr 21 23:16:57 this.$.mapWidgetName.map is the google maps object. entire v3 api stuff works from then on Apr 21 23:17:02 catalystmedia: right. Apr 21 23:17:06 0.5 for 30 sec. Apr 21 23:17:15 Gotcha :) Thanks a ton! Apr 21 23:17:44 mattsmcnulty: busy and don't know Ares. Apr 21 23:18:45 being vuciously attacked by a soccer ball weilding dog.... Apr 21 23:19:00 Tibfib: from a scene, use serviceRequest to call your app with launchParams, then handle that in appAssistant Apr 21 23:19:30 and use what catalystmedia is doing to call it in a few seconds. Apr 21 23:20:36 haeffb: ah! that's what i was looking for... thanks Apr 21 23:23:24 Hmmm, my alarm does not appear to be working. Does anyone see any problems with this? http://pastie.org/928902 Apr 21 23:24:03 It throws no exception and does not call the onSuccess or onFailure methods :S Apr 21 23:28:41 wrap it in a try/catch? Apr 21 23:31:15 Tried that and nothing. It executes just fine :S Apr 21 23:38:35 how to package apps with plugins? Apr 21 23:39:06 try changing your onSuccess to a Mojo.Log.info("Success!") Apr 21 23:39:40 and wakeup: true Apr 21 23:39:46 if tasks is not running Apr 21 23:42:09 I can now create dashboards! woot... now to make them useful Apr 21 23:42:16 nice Apr 21 23:42:34 * halfhalo_T400 updated his chat app specs to support chatrooms and changed the api's as well Apr 21 23:42:45 halfhalo_T400: sheesh you are a machine Apr 21 23:42:57 oh wait heh... updated the SPECS lol Apr 21 23:43:08 well, the api is done Apr 21 23:43:14 thats the hard part for me Apr 21 23:43:24 that is impressive for sure Apr 21 23:43:52 haeffb and everyone else, the code on the bottom of: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1584&Itemid=263 does not work right. The uri parameter is wrong. It says: "palm://com.palm.appManager/open" Apr 21 23:44:27 it should be "palm://com.palm.applicationManager/open", other examples on that page use the right one, but I clearly wasn't looking at those :p Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know! Apr 21 23:44:53 heh, im good at what i do Apr 21 23:45:15 AND the api is set up to eventually allow desktop clients when/if i ever write one Apr 21 23:47:17 catalystmedia: tell chuqui and mattsmcnulty and lemketron and Adora Apr 21 23:47:29 and anybody else on here from Palm Apr 21 23:55:20 I'll forward that to the devrel people Apr 21 23:55:54 damn straight you willl Apr 21 23:55:57 wait, what? Apr 21 23:56:52 when we were wrapping the services in components in ares framework, we found lots of other docs bugs Apr 21 23:56:57 most should be fixed by now Apr 21 23:58:11 * halfhalo_T400 only has one device to use right now... and thats his laptop Apr 21 23:58:18 everything else is packed up Apr 21 23:58:48 mattsmcnuity: The scary part was that it silently failed with the bad uri. I had no idea what was wrong until I looked at the O'Reilly webOS book :p Apr 21 23:59:50 god, whatever webOS book i have I hate Apr 22 00:00:53 halfhalo_T400: I'll have to tell mitch about that :-P Apr 22 00:01:27 It needs a new version Apr 22 00:03:51 Although then again, i just didn't understand webos at all until one day where it all fell together Apr 22 00:04:01 and with that, bbiab getting panda express Apr 22 00:17:36 i'm trying to develop a plugin now.. Apr 22 00:17:45 anyone heard anything abotu a c40? what is it? Apr 22 00:18:45 i've done everything... created it, compiled, put on app path, packaged and linked on app with but it errors when i try to access my functions. rror: Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'foo', Apr 22 00:19:38 someone have created a plugin and can show me some code? Apr 22 00:19:41 there are samples? Apr 22 00:20:33 dirs: probably better to check in #webos-internals Apr 22 00:24:56 'sup Apr 22 00:45:48 well, i think for my app to progress any further, im gonna have to look at some servers Apr 22 00:45:55 any suggestions? Apr 22 01:02:26 BigBiff what app? Apr 22 01:04:14 it reads river levels from usgs river gauges Apr 22 01:04:30 i was calling each individually Apr 22 01:04:36 but its just too slow Apr 22 01:04:45 to do it asyncronously Apr 22 01:05:37 so to really complete it, im gonna need to set them all up on a server, call them via php Apr 22 01:05:54 then i can update the entire group with one call Apr 22 01:06:34 u do it live or get the cache the data somehow? Apr 22 01:07:01 well i've been only working with 4 states so far - about 65 gauges Apr 22 01:07:13 so ive been doing it live Apr 22 01:07:32 but i gotta make 2 requests each Apr 22 01:08:06 i finally broke down and bought the iphone app that does the same thing Apr 22 01:08:37 and how are they doing it? Apr 22 01:08:37 much faster Apr 22 01:08:46 gotta be using there own server Apr 22 01:09:08 but, of course not nearly as up to date Apr 22 01:09:15 they're usually about 4 hours behind Apr 22 01:09:49 2/3 Apr 22 01:09:58 mine are instantaneous - within 15 minutes Apr 22 01:10:23 you should offer cached or live data options Apr 22 01:10:25 but much much slower for the requests, because they are taking place one at a time Apr 22 01:10:41 you could offer... Apr 22 01:10:45 wont say you should.. Apr 22 01:10:48 its your app Apr 22 01:11:19 BMyers_ Apr 22 01:11:31 cached is fine - id gladly do that, but initially i still have to make all those requests Apr 22 01:11:43 unless it could run in the background Apr 22 01:12:05 isnt it async? Apr 22 01:12:12 hi haeffb Apr 22 01:12:30 well - truly async is wrong term :-) Apr 22 01:12:39 async as long as the app is running Apr 22 01:12:45 so not so much Apr 22 01:13:17 oh. yeah you should gather that up in your own db Apr 22 01:13:25 i havent dived into backgound apps yet Apr 22 01:13:29 on a server somewhere with some slick PHP Apr 22 01:13:35 yes Apr 22 01:13:36 cron'd Apr 22 01:13:41 MySQL Apr 22 01:13:50 the php is simple - i just gotta find a server Apr 22 01:13:56 hosting? Apr 22 01:13:59 ya Apr 22 01:14:08 i use godaddy Apr 22 01:14:18 but they suck donky dong Apr 22 01:14:30 ya, ive heard you guys talk bad about godaddy Apr 22 01:14:37 i gotta leave there Apr 22 01:14:56 but it's a commodity at in this day and age Apr 22 01:15:10 like pork bellies or coffee Apr 22 01:15:21 hehe Apr 22 01:15:27 should cost u 7-8 bux a month Apr 22 01:15:31 just go do it.. Apr 22 01:15:37 that's not bad Apr 22 01:15:48 it's nothing. prolly could find it cheaper.. Apr 22 01:15:54 you on windows? Apr 22 01:15:58 ya Apr 22 01:16:00 XP? Apr 22 01:16:08 how long does it take to get one gage? Apr 22 01:16:19 one gauge is milliseconds Apr 22 01:16:31 but i gotta make about 500 of those Apr 22 01:16:40 why? Apr 22 01:16:48 why not do them on demand? Apr 22 01:17:08 i've thought about that - just can't get some of the cool features like i have now Apr 22 01:17:29 i use gps to get rivers "near you" that are currently 'running' Apr 22 01:17:44 so i need all the info up front Apr 22 01:17:58 so from app launch to me looking at something cool in your app is how long? Apr 22 01:18:18 currently i only have a few states - less than 100 rivers, so Apr 22 01:18:21 12 seconds Apr 22 01:18:40 u have anything on the hudson river? Apr 22 01:18:53 hehe, not yet, im still in the southeast Apr 22 01:19:06 but i got the chatooga - can you hear the banjos? Apr 22 01:19:24 "you got a purty mouth" Apr 22 01:19:30 i have a sailboat on the hudson Apr 22 01:19:44 banjos music makes me nervous Apr 22 01:20:02 12 seconds doesnt sound that bad Apr 22 01:20:24 how many rivers in a state? Apr 22 01:20:33 ppl who have more banjo strings than teeth make me nervous too Apr 22 01:20:34 why load all those others if they aren't "near me" Apr 22 01:20:57 Most recent instantaneous value: 1,670 - hudson river near north creek, ny Apr 22 01:21:03 hmm Apr 22 01:21:11 in fact, why not store lat/lon for all gages, then only load the ones "near me" Apr 22 01:21:38 well, that could be setup in the prefs Apr 22 01:21:42 BigBiff you have something to develop LAMP on ? Apr 22 01:22:01 no idea what that is, sorry, im still new to this Apr 22 01:22:38 linux apache php mysql Apr 22 01:22:50 your basic hosted setup Apr 22 01:23:09 psh Apr 22 01:23:10 lamp Apr 22 01:23:10 reading......... Apr 22 01:23:12 ya Apr 22 01:23:13 you could play with xamp on your windows Apr 22 01:23:35 to test with b4 spending money Apr 22 01:24:21 yes, i've been doing that - sorry, the terminology got me Apr 22 01:24:41 oh.. Apr 22 01:24:50 i messed with that before i started on the actual app Apr 22 01:24:59 fun stuff Apr 22 01:25:02 getting the data Apr 22 01:25:16 * halfhalo_T400 uses php as a middlelayer for some of his apps Apr 22 01:26:01 so 1670 is what? Apr 22 01:26:11 feet per minute or something? Apr 22 01:26:11 i initially abandoned a middle server idea when i was able to pull the data without it - cross-domain was not an issue for some reason Apr 22 01:26:13 oh Apr 22 01:26:19 cubic feet per second Apr 22 01:26:44 that's what 2 calls are for - one for cfs, one for the height in feet Apr 22 01:26:49 depends on your app Apr 22 01:26:54 yeah Apr 22 01:27:00 or what u r trying to do with Apr 22 01:27:13 a few hours old data might be fine Apr 22 01:27:14 my chat app uses php extensively, but steamfriends only pings it to see whats up Apr 22 01:27:19 12 seconds isnt that long really Apr 22 01:27:49 12 secs isnt that bad - and i have it set up so you 'see' the rivers updating, but like i said Apr 22 01:27:54 i have alot more to add Apr 22 01:28:12 software is never done Apr 22 01:28:21 hehe Apr 22 01:28:32 ya, i mean specifically alot more states/gauges Apr 22 01:28:57 * halfhalo_T400 just got encryption working for his chat api using a revolving hash Apr 22 01:29:02 i could go as high as 10000 Apr 22 01:29:02 but i wont Apr 22 01:29:07 mmmmm. hash.... Apr 22 01:29:16 hash and eggs... Apr 22 01:29:18 mmm mm. Apr 22 01:29:23 corned beef? or the green stuff Apr 22 01:29:50 whatever is in season.. Apr 22 01:30:24 again I ask, why load data for a gage in CA if I'm in NY Apr 22 01:30:34 ahh Apr 22 01:30:43 you're not doing that right? Apr 22 01:31:03 currently, yes Apr 22 01:31:09 ewww.. Apr 22 01:31:29 ya - maybe that's the answer Apr 22 01:31:32 you might want to change that b4 u add a boat load of rivers/states Apr 22 01:31:39 * halfhalo_T400 now needs to play with encrypted file transfers..... Apr 22 01:31:40 go strictly off gps Apr 22 01:31:49 get the lat, lon data. store that & static data in ur app DB. Apr 22 01:31:49 sure Apr 22 01:31:51 do gps 1st Apr 22 01:31:55 then get the data Apr 22 01:32:10 if i do that - then definitely wont need a server Apr 22 01:32:16 get dynamic data only in demand Apr 22 01:32:24 someone posted a cool 'radius' wiki for gps data Apr 22 01:32:29 on Apr 22 01:32:51 here Apr 22 01:32:55 demand Apr 22 01:33:04 Bmyers: was that you who gave me the goods on that radius equation before? Apr 22 01:33:24 no, i guess thats the convo i was watching.. Apr 22 01:33:30 fun stuff Apr 22 01:33:32 ahhh Apr 22 01:34:10 i also dont have the rivers setup in a db - just using arrays Apr 22 01:34:25 wonder if db would be more efficient Apr 22 01:34:31 ya think? Apr 22 01:34:37 hehe Apr 22 01:35:13 i know arrays, sadly ive been putting off the db sample-learning Apr 22 01:35:20 then you could run a headless app Apr 22 01:35:27 and collect the data in the background Apr 22 01:35:43 db stuff is not that bad really Apr 22 01:36:00 sugardave wrote some nice tutorials and and wrapper i think on webos101 Apr 22 01:36:18 a/and Apr 22 01:40:05 dang, catalystmedia left? Apr 22 01:40:54 d'oh... was going to mention that the next emulator should have a 5 second minimum alarm time to make life easier for testing. Apr 22 01:41:28 and, in Ares, it's really easy to set a delta alarm -- just put "00:00:05" in the "alarmIn" field of a drag-and-drop alarm service. Apr 22 01:43:28 it's that way now in the sdk emu right? Apr 22 01:43:55 meaning my "Alarm Test" app consists of a header (to look nice), an alarm service (with alarmIn set to "00:00:05" as mentioned, and params set to "{ id: "com.palm.app.calendar", params: {} }" and a button (with one line of code in the "button1Tap" handler, which calls "this.$.alarm1.set();". Apr 22 01:43:58 Running this in a new emulator causes the Calendar app to be launched five seconds after tapping the button. Apr 22 01:44:14 Bmyers: No, the current emulator should have the same 5 minute minimum as the device. Apr 22 01:44:31 yes. ok. it does. Apr 22 01:44:39 or at least what I have used does Apr 22 01:45:05 That should be fixed in the next emulator to be five seconds. :-) Apr 22 01:45:16 o. Apr 22 01:45:24 and I love that my test app needed only ONE LINE of code in Ares. Apr 22 01:45:35 that'll save some time. Apr 22 01:49:18 just made a new google voice accn't Apr 22 01:49:49 * haeffb needs to learn Ares someday Apr 22 01:50:11 It only takes a few minutes. ;-) Apr 22 01:50:24 watch one of the videos, try one of the tutorials. Apr 22 01:50:27 * halfhalo_T400 can't grasp it Apr 22 01:50:45 well... a few minutes to learn how to use it. A few months to learn how to do everything that I do now with the SDK... Apr 22 01:50:58 * halfhalo_T400 has a new number: (xxx)41webos Apr 22 01:51:12 cool Apr 22 01:51:30 someone here got (xxx)palm-pre Apr 22 01:51:36 to go with his license plate Apr 22 01:51:38 nice Apr 22 01:51:54 nothing left with palm in the area code i wanted Apr 22 01:53:34 got a cleanish car for the drive as well Apr 22 01:53:52 well, theres no blood in it anymore at least Apr 22 01:54:29 ewww Apr 22 01:54:33 hehe Apr 22 01:54:41 got rid of the body then? Apr 22 01:54:47 yup Apr 22 01:57:55 oh crap, this chat room is logged, isn't it... lol Apr 22 01:58:08 its ok, im not real Apr 22 02:00:02 hahahaha Apr 22 02:08:04 * halfhalo_T400 has nothing to do... Apr 22 02:10:22 sooooo with the new updates to background processes, I'd have to keep a dashboard stage open to listen for new messages? Apr 22 02:18:49 stage? not sure, but at least the notification icon (I'm thinking of "Baseball Live!" which has an icon present any time it's running, and tapping on it shows its dashboard stage) Apr 22 02:34:58 lemketron: should PDK discussion happen in here, or is this channel mainly for Mojo level ? Apr 22 02:37:37 grrr.... I know next to nothing about multi-stage/background processes with webOS apps. ah well. It's time to learn....but not tonight. must sleeeppp Apr 22 02:38:39 How do you style a dashboard stage so that it is one solid background and not split into two? Apr 22 02:39:23 http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129124109948712067.jpg Apr 22 02:39:43 ... Apr 22 02:39:52 hehehe Apr 22 02:42:05 http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/129114292407120808.jpg Apr 22 02:42:12 hehehehehehe Apr 22 02:44:57 rwhitby: I don't see why not. This is #webos, not #mojo. :-) Apr 22 02:45:46 lies Apr 22 02:48:41 http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/ipadtractor.jpg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 22 02:59:57 2010