**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 23 02:59:56 2010 Apr 23 03:19:56 hi JenP Apr 23 03:21:11 hI Bmyers! Apr 23 03:21:24 hows it going Apr 23 03:21:41 good...tired. Realy busy week Apr 23 03:21:59 i wont be able to make the conference...sucks Apr 23 03:22:08 me neither Apr 23 03:23:09 oh well . maybe next year Apr 23 03:23:19 yeah Apr 23 03:23:26 so whatcha been working on? Apr 23 03:23:47 getting the boat ready to splash Apr 23 03:23:53 hackintosh Apr 23 03:24:01 lol cool Apr 23 03:24:07 guyrules, in the app cat now Apr 23 03:24:18 really? that's great! Apr 23 03:25:03 1600 dl's this afternoon since its release Apr 23 03:25:21 oh that's awesome! Apr 23 03:25:36 fun stuff Apr 23 03:26:37 smiles...biaf... Apr 23 03:26:42 bbiaf Apr 23 03:39:40 grrr... I'm only getting the deactivate event when I push a scene... it isn't happening when I minimize the app Apr 23 03:48:13 thats stage deactivate in the app-ass Apr 23 03:48:41 oh no, you should see that in the stage-ass too Apr 23 03:50:11 from what I've figured out... nope you won't. The stage-assitant is never used unless you add it as a parameter in the createStageWithCallback function Apr 23 03:50:53 you dont see stage deactivate in the logs? Apr 23 03:51:51 nope Apr 23 03:52:56 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1873&Itemid=244#.createStageWithCallback you are supposed to use assistantName... what is that? "stage"? "stage-assistant"? "StageAssistant"? Apr 23 03:55:29 StageAssistant Apr 23 03:55:47 and you have to have stage-assistant.js in sources.json Apr 23 03:55:54 or an assistant of any name u like Apr 23 03:56:04 or that Apr 23 03:57:55 hmmm I swear I tried that... but it seems to be working Apr 23 03:57:57 thanks Apr 23 03:58:12 just had to try it harder, thats all.. Apr 23 03:59:16 laterzzzzzz Apr 23 03:59:45 c ya Apr 23 04:09:10 just kidding...... tis not working Apr 23 04:11:00 oh well. i should have gone to bed an hour ago... night all Apr 23 04:20:01 kk back Apr 23 04:22:43 Rick_work! Apr 23 04:22:46 hi ya Apr 23 04:22:51 hi hi Apr 23 04:22:55 you still at work? Apr 23 04:23:06 nope made it home at 7...early for today Apr 23 04:23:29 are you getting excited? Apr 23 04:23:40 Max, are you absolutely certain you can't bring yourself to take 3 hours off on Sat evening and join us for drinks and food? Apr 23 04:24:05 Even for an hour? Apr 23 04:24:09 what time? Apr 23 04:26:30 5:30 to 8:30 - Tied House Café & Brewery Apr 23 04:26:30 954 Villa Street Apr 23 04:26:30 Mountian View, CA 94041 Apr 23 04:26:37 come for an hour. Apr 23 04:26:41 sat night Apr 23 04:27:02 it's a 6 hour drive from where I'm at Apr 23 04:27:19 ahhhh crap Apr 23 04:27:26 I thought you were closer than that. :( Apr 23 04:27:28 JenP where are you? Apr 23 04:27:33 San Diego Apr 23 04:27:51 oh well. Apr 23 04:27:58 i'm sorry... Apr 23 04:28:24 bummer. Apr 23 04:28:42 i know...i really wanted to go...and i could have if it wasn't for the work screw up Apr 23 04:29:03 i left from oc and it took me 6 hours. i drive like an old lady though. Apr 23 04:29:05 nevermind. You got the address of the idiot quality assurance idiot? I can call in an airstrike. Apr 23 04:29:20 smiles...yeah...that's my supervisor.... Apr 23 04:29:23 he gets a pass Apr 23 04:29:29 lol Apr 23 04:29:48 rick did you see the pics of my cat? Apr 23 04:29:56 Why does he get a pass? If your supervisor suddenly disappeared from the face of the earth, the world would not be a worse place. Apr 23 04:30:15 no, picks of cat on facebook? Apr 23 04:30:18 lol Apr 23 04:30:21 yeah Apr 23 04:30:23 there are a ton Apr 23 04:30:42 kkk I will go admire your cat. Apr 23 04:30:49 & OMG Josh has spent close to 1K on cat stuff Apr 23 04:31:11 I didn't hear that. La la la la la la la Apr 23 04:31:30 lol not me....him Apr 23 04:34:33 Rick_work: sleep. Apr 23 04:34:55 JenP: So bummed you won't be here! Apr 23 04:35:13 i know i'm sorry. Apr 23 04:37:03 I may try and leave my parents with my brother and pop down for tied house sat. otherwise I'm going to be bummed to miss dev day Apr 23 04:37:44 We'd love that! Apr 23 04:38:55 Roy do your best to influence having it streamed so i can live vicariously Apr 23 04:39:16 We would love to see you Matt Apr 23 04:39:22 hey roy! Apr 23 04:39:54 JenP: My Jedi mind tricks haven't been working well on this planet. Apr 23 04:40:01 dpivs! Apr 23 04:40:05 lol Apr 23 04:40:09 how was the lunch get-together? Apr 23 04:40:14 Rick_work help Roy-Pre101 Apr 23 04:40:24 dpivs: It was lonely. Apr 23 04:40:36 Dinner was improved by Rick's company but that was it. Apr 23 04:40:44 hi all, just Apr 23 04:40:46 logged into dev "my apps" it know tells downloads vs updates Apr 23 04:41:03 bummer. Apr 23 04:42:36 some downloads are missing from "my apps" Apr 23 04:42:52 anyone else noticed it change? Apr 23 04:45:53 nope Apr 23 04:46:49 Rick_work: but do you see the new column for "updates"? Apr 23 04:49:19 cant be the only one seeing the change Apr 23 04:53:20 lemketron-away: mattsmcnulty: Have you guys been to DishDash? Apr 23 04:53:32 lemke has I think Apr 23 04:53:35 I have not Apr 23 04:53:42 Rick and I went there tonight. It was fantastic. Apr 23 04:54:19 It was. Nod nod. Apr 23 04:54:57 I try and avoid the valley other than for work like the plague ;-) Apr 23 04:55:50 ah. Well, in any event, the food was superb. If there is a next time I will probably just order the appitizer assortment for two for myself and consider myself happy. Apr 23 04:58:11 Agreed, I eat a lot of middle eastern food and that place was a cut above. Apr 23 04:59:04 that's norcal cuisine for you. pretty much everywhere is decent Apr 23 05:01:16 FYI: That was a great shower I just had. Apr 23 05:01:34 After nearly 24 hours up I needed that. Apr 23 05:08:10 And now, to sleep... perchance, to dream. Apr 23 05:08:28 me too. meds and off to bed. Apr 23 05:08:55 Vert Very Very tired. Apr 23 05:09:57 gnite guys Apr 23 05:17:05 hehehehe Apr 23 05:24:33 ffffffffffffffffff Apr 23 05:34:17 Off to get horribly overpriced food Apr 23 07:03:23 pie Apr 23 07:03:48 question! Apr 23 07:03:54 I just ordered a Pre from expansys Apr 23 07:04:03 anyone know how fast they are in getting one? Apr 23 07:04:03 orly Apr 23 07:04:09 (the German unlocked one) Apr 23 07:04:12 nope Apr 23 07:04:45 it's my policy to never trust what a website says re: availability, especially if they prefix it with 'usually' :D Apr 23 07:05:02 heh Apr 23 07:28:20 mahmahmah Apr 23 07:30:30 ladies Apr 23 07:30:42 comfy bed is comfy Apr 23 07:31:31 haha Apr 23 07:31:49 I made the mistake of letting my wife having free reign of our bd purchase Apr 23 07:31:56 the tv in the hotel has hdmi in and vga in Apr 23 07:32:00 she buys some cal king bed thats like 2500 bucks Apr 23 07:32:25 truthfully I sleep on the couch or in guest bedroom for past few months because I wake up nearly imobile every morning Apr 23 07:47:57 anyone around? Apr 23 07:49:19 not really.... sleepy time soon Apr 23 07:50:36 any interactive canvas or game stuff experience? Apr 23 08:17:22 anyone knows anything about the webos 1.4.1 update in germany & uk? Apr 23 08:17:55 the doctor deliver webos 1.4.1 v202 Apr 23 08:18:03 the update is 1.4.1 v205 Apr 23 08:18:16 wha? Apr 23 08:18:19 no more paid apps aviable Apr 23 08:18:31 shifty256: the doctor is pre-paid apps? Apr 23 08:18:50 no, the update Apr 23 08:18:58 the doctor is fine and right Apr 23 08:19:25 but after the new update, we have no more paid apps in our store Apr 23 08:19:44 shifty256: thanks for the warning. I won't doctor then :-p Apr 23 08:20:00 I dont know what doctors are Apr 23 08:20:01 lol Apr 23 08:20:05 shifty256: but thats what i meant... pre-paid apps support must be in between v202 and v205 ? Apr 23 08:20:20 *paid apps suppoer Apr 23 08:25:42 not in v205 Apr 23 08:25:45 not for us Apr 23 08:25:49 at the moment Apr 23 08:25:51 but wait Apr 23 08:25:53 ah Apr 23 08:25:55 guess working on my mixer again Apr 23 08:26:29 o2 germany said: the update is still correct. Paid appscoming back soon Apr 23 08:27:10 what do doctor do Apr 23 08:27:19 shifty256: ? Apr 23 08:27:36 my palm pre has an app catalog with 60 apps Apr 23 08:27:54 at the moment it should be correct Apr 23 08:28:04 the catalogue must be updated Apr 23 08:28:26 btw. the catalogue is not compatible to the new 205 version Apr 23 08:28:42 its coming later tommorow Apr 23 08:28:42 i'm seening paid apps on my phone... (german o2) Apr 23 08:28:57 look for an update Apr 23 08:29:09 install this update Apr 23 08:29:23 and you will see, no more paid apps Apr 23 08:30:15 ok Apr 23 08:30:22 o2 via twitter Apr 23 08:30:29 update to solve problems for people updating from 1.1x/1.2x to 1.4. The Apps will return. Apr 23 08:30:36 ah ok Apr 23 08:30:40 take a look Apr 23 08:30:40 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2399951&posted=1#post2399951 Apr 23 08:30:47 weird. Apr 23 08:30:51 1MB 1.4.1. update Apr 23 08:30:56 I#m running 1.4.1 already Apr 23 08:30:58 yah Apr 23 08:31:04 thats it Apr 23 08:31:05 ... Apr 23 08:31:08 now i get what you mean Apr 23 08:31:14 won't install it now Apr 23 08:31:25 install this update later Apr 23 08:31:27 build 202 on my phone Apr 23 08:31:30 yes Apr 23 08:31:37 update is 205 Apr 23 08:31:41 yes, when i can get a snapshot of the to-be-installed files Apr 23 08:32:24 dthought, german user? Apr 23 08:32:48 ja Apr 23 08:33:12 super, und ich bastel hier am meinem miesem englisch rum :D Apr 23 08:34:16 ich glaube, alle anderen danken es dir. ;) Apr 23 08:34:36 solange man mich verstehen kann ... Apr 23 08:39:43 ok, working right now for a new webos app with full 256 bit AES encryption Apr 23 08:43:08 anyone think of anything else I should add to PDKContrib other than sound mixer? Apr 23 08:43:39 qrcode reader :D Apr 23 08:44:01 *full ack* Apr 23 08:44:19 i'm waiting for the first onboard qr code reader, uploading 3Megapixel images to an onlineservices sucks Apr 23 08:44:51 yap, and also google maps in c/c++ Apr 23 08:45:07 it`s too slow in javascript Apr 23 08:45:29 well fi I was going to do maps I'd probably implement something that would allwo for offline maps Apr 23 09:04:33 hi all Apr 23 09:04:58 ah Apr 23 09:05:00 rumors Apr 23 09:05:02 ;-) Apr 23 09:05:02 is tweed available now or not?.. can't find it in app catalog Apr 23 09:05:07 caching the tiles would be a great feature Apr 23 09:05:24 maybe using OSM for ofline caching Apr 23 09:05:24 this update is the preupdate for the real update in 48 hours :P Apr 23 09:07:21 noaXess, tweed is aviable. But you made a update from 1.4.1 v202 to 1.4.1 v205, right? Apps come back later Apr 23 09:07:44 shifty256: not yet.. hm.. Apr 23 09:07:52 run updates now... Apr 23 09:07:55 which state? Apr 23 09:08:03 switzerland.. :) Apr 23 09:08:13 have found tweed in preware.. 1.6 Apr 23 09:08:29 auch okay ;-) Apr 23 09:08:35 genau.. Apr 23 09:09:06 my pre has webos 1.4.1... is v205 a preview version.. available in dropbox? Apr 23 09:10:32 v205 is coming to all webos devices. It is a prearing update for another update Apr 23 09:11:00 hm.. where do i see th sub version number? Apr 23 09:11:01 mhh ... decoding a 2mb text with AES encryption takes 0,9 secons @ cpu time ... Apr 23 09:11:11 shifty256: pdk apps i'd assume? Apr 23 09:11:34 noaXess, device info - tap on version Apr 23 09:11:48 no, only javascript Apr 23 09:11:50 ;-) Apr 23 09:11:51 shifty256: 202.. so.. Apr 23 09:12:06 when should 205 comes in updates? Apr 23 09:12:09 noaXess, so .. you have to wait Apr 23 09:12:09 :D Apr 23 09:12:21 you have it allready?.. Apr 23 09:12:25 yes Apr 23 09:12:30 germany & uk Apr 23 09:12:44 in dropbox there is a version 1.4.1.425.. ? Apr 23 09:13:01 oh, i dont no what it is Apr 23 09:13:41 anyone has an idea when the pdk is aviable for my linux developing system!? Apr 23 09:13:54 windows & mac sucks Apr 23 09:15:10 shifty256: yes. i also dev on linux.. Apr 23 09:15:18 which version of pdk you mean? Apr 23 09:15:44 the "PDK", also knows as "Plugin Development Kit" Apr 23 09:22:11 haha Apr 23 09:22:22 shifty256: afaik no announcements there Apr 23 09:22:27 and the funniest part about it Apr 23 09:22:35 pdk is actually less platform independant Apr 23 09:22:42 er dependant Apr 23 09:23:28 yap Apr 23 09:23:32 that sucks! Apr 23 09:24:45 i think, the most developer aren`t developing under windows or a mac, because MAC IS APPLE and windows .... ja, windows is windows ... Apr 23 09:25:44 ... your wrote 250 lines of code ... and windows said ... ZAPP - bluescreen oder what else Apr 23 09:25:55 oder = or Apr 23 09:26:13 your = you Apr 23 09:26:25 fucking keyboard. Apr 23 09:26:51 ah Apr 23 09:26:51 http://www.precentral.net/gsm-webos-users-wait-tic-installing-bonus-141-update Apr 23 09:29:31 what are you guys using for twittering on the webos? Apr 23 09:30:12 twee Apr 23 09:34:00 I dont touch shitter Apr 23 09:34:28 ha ha Apr 23 09:34:32 spaz Apr 23 09:39:17 Rumors: Is the newly update for webos the preparing for pdk app dubmission? Apr 23 09:39:28 *submission Apr 23 09:44:54 shifty256: do you use git too? Apr 23 09:45:04 no Apr 23 09:45:20 why? Apr 23 09:45:35 for version control.. sharing app's with ther dev's Apr 23 09:46:24 fine tool, i know, but i`m a one man show :P Apr 23 09:52:59 shifty256: me too.. but version controlling is also as one man show good idea :) Apr 23 09:54:53 right - I´m using the old version of "version controlling". It`s called "Folders" ... :P Apr 23 09:55:46 shifty256, thats no version controll Apr 23 09:56:06 only when you copy after every "complete" feature the folder Apr 23 10:04:16 Woody4u, ich gebe euch recht. Evtl. sollte ich wirklich mal über richtig "versioning" nachdenken. Zur Zeit klappt es noch ohne. Mhh ... Sobald das ODK unter linux verfügbar ist, werde ich umsteigen ;-) Apr 23 10:04:30 *richtig = richtiges Apr 23 10:04:42 ODK = PDK Apr 23 10:05:35 must go now - 2 meetings are still waiting .... have fun guys! Apr 23 10:27:30 shifty256_away, try subversion or git or mercurical Apr 23 10:50:57 oh man - im so stupid Apr 23 10:51:10 all my computing devices had tree names Apr 23 10:51:30 but i didnt find a mathcing for my pre - why didnt i notice palm? Apr 23 10:55:34 :D Apr 23 10:56:12 quick pointer question! how do I handle drag events on an element? Apr 23 12:33:24 hi Apr 23 12:33:33 i ve got a problem using Mojo.Depot : http://pastebin.com/zqNxdr8W Apr 23 12:33:40 error: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token }, Apr 23 12:33:45 i don't really understand Apr 23 12:34:04 26 and 27 are : this.addSelectedCountryOK.bind(this), this.addSelectedCountryFail.bind(this) }, Apr 23 12:35:04 does someone have any idea ? Apr 23 12:38:27 yep Apr 23 12:38:37 replace this.addSelectedCountryFail.bind(this) }, with this.addSelectedCountryFail.bind(this)) }, maybe ? Apr 23 12:40:01 yeah i just find it too :) Apr 23 13:35:15 Morning Apr 23 13:36:03 hi Apr 23 14:00:27 um, just a quick pointer before I delve into the docs: is there any Mojo higher-level built-in way to handle dragging with a finger, or is it regular HTML5 fare? Apr 23 14:05:02 I guess there is Apr 23 14:16:50 millenomi: THere is a mojo drag but just use HTML events. Apr 23 14:17:24 saw that. why HTML events? looks like the Mojo drag is way nicer (can filter spurious drags for instance). Apr 23 14:40:52 millenomi: You'll see. Apr 23 14:41:20 unfortunately not soon -- I'm in a sort of planning stage Apr 23 14:41:30 (or you won't, if your use case exactly matches the mojo drag stuff. most people's don't) Apr 23 14:41:52 Roy-Pre101: http://infinite-labs.net/mover/video Apr 23 14:42:01 the use case. Apr 23 14:47:49 millenomi: you're working on a mover webos clone ? Apr 23 14:48:05 is it a clone if the author does it? Apr 23 14:48:31 I'm busy with iPad now, but cross-platform's next. Apr 23 14:50:26 Roy-Pre101: heh. the hotel is next to mcafee's building here.... it may/may not be egged Apr 23 14:53:35 halfhalo: haha Apr 23 14:53:57 millenomi: you're working on a mover webos clone ? Apr 23 14:54:16 warpdesign_: He -wrote- the original Apr 23 14:54:23 tv has more inputs than mine at home.... lg led fancy ones Apr 23 14:54:33 I am planning one. Apr 23 14:54:37 It would be nice to have one. Apr 23 14:54:46 "clone" is inappropriate as it would be more like a port. Apr 23 14:55:02 I'm still figuring out how to use mDNS and how the heck to fit it in via PDK. Apr 23 14:55:02 drag may work for it. It's just drag gives you very little control. And I believe it requires tap and hold before move. Apr 23 14:55:12 ah, that would be inconvenient Apr 23 14:55:47 There are some good samples of HTML drag out there, including some on webOS. Let me know if you need any help with it. It's not too bad. Apr 23 14:55:54 thanks :) Apr 23 14:56:56 And now, to shut down for #palmdev Apr 23 14:58:15 heh Apr 23 14:58:28 leaving here in half an hour for that Apr 23 14:58:56 I must say Apr 23 14:59:13 I'm definitely doing webOS next Apr 23 14:59:33 I'm partisan for iPhone OS, but webOS is the best of the rest of the pack Apr 23 14:59:48 so sad seeing it having so little diffusion. Apr 23 15:01:41 jacques: ! Apr 23 15:03:26 alirght :) Apr 23 15:04:06 millenomi: nice work then :) Apr 23 15:04:24 millenomi: thought about writing a webos version ? Apr 23 15:04:34 warpdesign_: why, yes. Apr 23 15:04:45 good then :) Apr 23 15:04:52 well, because I'm interested Apr 23 15:05:09 * halfhalo is hungry Apr 23 15:05:16 no way Apr 23 15:05:42 way Apr 23 15:05:47 yes way ! Apr 23 15:06:28 half-and-half way! Apr 23 15:06:37 hmmm Apr 23 15:06:39 or the highway. Apr 23 15:06:50 should probly find out where I'm going..... Apr 23 15:07:15 to Hell if you don't pray Apr 23 15:07:17 or something Apr 23 15:08:13 hey Apr 23 15:08:24 sprint navigation has palm inc! Apr 23 15:08:37 so does the emulator Apr 23 15:08:57 ? Apr 23 15:09:02 it's ALWAYS in SunnyVale Apr 23 15:09:06 the emu gps Apr 23 15:10:10 ah Apr 23 15:14:00 argh, missed halfhalo Apr 23 15:15:22 where do i see reviews for my published apps on developer.palm.com? Apr 23 15:15:45 have published an app, but see the review only in the app catalog on the device, Apr 23 15:15:53 noaXess: I'm not sure you can Apr 23 15:16:09 I think the cyrket site and/or mywebosapp site has them Apr 23 15:16:18 sugardave: hey.. why?.. thats a major thing we need. Apr 23 15:16:25 (can't remember the actual URLs) Apr 23 15:16:54 noaXess: of course, I haven't released an app in months, but I know that you couldn't see reviews at the dev portal Apr 23 15:17:01 the last time I checked Apr 23 15:18:17 hm.. have contacted the palm reviewer Apr 23 15:19:23 as to why? who knows? Apr 23 15:19:27 if i upgrade an app.. will it be reviewed from palm or directly be available in the catalog? Apr 23 15:19:39 it will need to go through a review.... Apr 23 15:19:54 UNLESS you are upgrading from your cloud or something fancy like that Apr 23 15:20:22 * sugardave imagines someone could get an app approved, then totally change its entire functionality from the cloud. Apr 23 15:20:29 I wonder how Palm would handle that one Apr 23 16:27:09 eclipse is pissing me off Apr 23 16:27:16 I guess it's aptana Apr 23 16:27:44 I'm trying to make pretty colors for the various editors, and the HTML one seems to be missing some things, like coloring for so, it's ALWAYS dark blue and the rest of my stuff is colored how I want Apr 23 17:00:16 ah, now that is stupid....SOME of the colorize properties have values, but also have some weird little indicator to the left, which I guess means it's locked....unchecking them, then resetting them makes the colors work Apr 23 17:22:29 hey Apr 23 17:22:34 how do i unpublish the published ap? Apr 23 17:23:02 or update it Apr 23 17:23:44 Nyceane in the app catalog? Apr 23 17:23:48 no, web Apr 23 17:24:23 how do i just unpublish it or update it Apr 23 17:24:42 log into your developer.plm.com account and push a new version to them. Apr 23 17:24:45 omg =_= this is so embarassing, i put one of the test code line in it and its not loading Apr 23 17:24:48 you have to change the version number Apr 23 17:24:49 ok Apr 23 17:25:06 i requested a rejection Apr 23 17:25:10 Nyceane: rookie mistake :D Apr 23 17:25:27 I did something similar in my 3 apps Apr 23 17:25:30 now i have a bad rating Apr 23 17:25:30 oh well Apr 23 17:25:34 it will get better Apr 23 17:25:49 email chuq. He can remove the bad reviews. Apr 23 17:26:11 who is chuq? Apr 23 17:26:19 * sugardave falls over and dies. Apr 23 17:26:27 hah Apr 23 17:26:42 where did he wander off to.... Apr 23 17:27:16 omg =_= and i have like 300 downloads Apr 23 17:27:24 and its not even in app catalog Apr 23 17:27:54 * sugardave considers setting up a pay-to-test webOS app service. Apr 23 17:28:57 where is the update button on my app Apr 23 17:29:31 i cna't find update on the app -_- Apr 23 17:30:45 please help =-( Apr 23 17:31:07 this thing is so complicated Apr 23 17:31:12 i just did a rejection pending Apr 23 17:31:23 and now i can't update my app =-( Apr 23 17:31:24 what can i do? Apr 23 17:33:44 omg, this is crazy, a lot other people are having same problem Apr 23 17:35:19 hmm Apr 23 17:35:51 how do i update? =-( Apr 23 17:36:07 OMG =-( Apr 23 17:40:59 oh crap today is palm developer day Apr 23 17:41:06 yup Apr 23 17:41:13 and most people are there Apr 23 17:41:39