**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 01 02:59:56 2010 May 01 03:00:12 if one of you doesnt create the starmap app like the one on android May 01 03:00:48 i havent left May 01 03:00:54 bah May 01 03:01:20 anyway - somebody hear MUST make that app for webos May 01 03:01:37 or im quitting webos forever and buying an android May 01 03:01:57 that app is freakin killer May 01 03:02:01 starmap? May 01 03:02:05 yes May 01 03:02:11 Like "Lindsey Lohan lives *here*"? May 01 03:02:14 hahaha May 01 03:02:19 hahahaha May 01 03:02:43 for reals, somebody has to make that for webos May 01 03:03:02 well, if you'd tell us what it *is*, that might be easier... May 01 03:03:02 i just dont get how the compass can be that accurate May 01 03:03:09 the starmap app May 01 03:03:16 i dont know the name of it May 01 03:03:24 its the one you see on the android commercials May 01 03:03:28 well, yes, but what does it do? May 01 03:03:37 I don't have an android, and I don't watch TV May 01 03:03:41 hehe May 01 03:03:47 so "the starmap" doesn't tell me anything May 01 03:03:59 it's a virtual map of the stars/constellations May 01 03:04:06 but it uses gps/compass May 01 03:04:21 you hold it up to the sky and it tells you exactly what you're looking at May 01 03:04:26 ahhh May 01 03:04:32 names of stars/planets/constellations May 01 03:04:42 sexy May 01 03:05:00 and it is spot on....wherever you move it, it tracks May 01 03:05:46 i dont understand how the compass works so quickly May 01 03:06:22 it's really amazing May 01 03:06:32 if i had the skills..... May 01 03:07:28 is there even a compass app on webos? May 01 03:07:32 i havent looked May 01 03:07:34 no May 01 03:07:42 because it has no compass May 01 03:08:05 does android have a built-in compass? or is it just some magnet hack May 01 03:08:17 magnets May 01 03:08:24 which IS a real compass May 01 03:08:30 surely there's the possiblity on the pre May 01 03:08:34 no? May 01 03:08:39 same with icantgetasignalphone May 01 03:08:54 their hardware compass's, not software May 01 03:09:11 :-( May 01 03:09:24 i may have to switch May 01 03:09:32 that app is epic May 01 03:10:03 Yeah, well then you'll have to develop in >>>JAVA<<< May 01 03:10:05 that's like my thing - me and daughter lookin at stars on these nice spring nights May 01 03:10:07 dun dun dunnnn! May 01 03:10:29 Future webOS devices are likely to have a compass May 01 03:10:43 whereas future android devices will still be java based May 01 03:10:54 they'll have to, or im giving up technology alltogether May 01 03:11:08 pencil/paper/carbonpaper May 01 03:11:12 that's it May 01 03:11:27 well, you never know, will androids fragmentation future versions may well be made in visual basic May 01 03:12:08 well, either way, i dont have the goods to learn those languages May 01 03:12:15 so you guys..... May 01 03:12:22 party? May 01 03:12:23 i need that app on my phone May 01 03:12:25 I like this option May 01 03:12:27 hehe May 01 03:13:21 that version of that app for iphone has more info - like 30000 objects... May 01 03:13:29 but im not sure it can 'track' May 01 03:14:11 and i imagine it was more than like one dude in his living room creating those apps May 01 03:14:31 since android uses it for advertisement May 01 03:15:08 <---- one dude in a living room May 01 03:15:19 <----- with limited skills May 01 03:17:12 ok, im buying an android tomorrow, dumping sprint...... May 01 03:17:28 my little river app will just have to wait May 01 03:17:49 BigBiff: calm down. it's not that impressive May 01 03:17:53 well, we'll miss you May 01 03:18:00 * BigBiff halfhalo wrote my ajax code May 01 03:18:03 hehe May 01 03:19:02 Tibfib: write that app for me May 01 03:19:25 i'll pay 9.99 May 01 03:19:57 BigBiff: move the decimal place over a couple digits and sure May 01 03:20:08 actually it could be done much better, many of the constellations were either not named, or name wrong May 01 03:20:30 19.99 - final offer May 01 03:20:38 ok May 01 03:20:40 not worth my time :P May 01 03:20:40 29.99 May 01 03:21:10 you could make like, $30 - that's worth 79999999 hours of work, right? May 01 03:21:29 think of the children May 01 03:21:55 ahahaahah http://palmhotapps.com/fastmovers.jsp I'm the fastest mover because of a glitch May 01 03:22:54 which one? i forget May 01 03:23:19 countdown puzzles, the one at top May 01 03:23:48 ahh, i was lookin at daily May 01 03:23:54 cooool May 01 03:23:59 glich? May 01 03:24:03 the app fell out of rankings for a day... went down 700 or so... May 01 03:24:09 ahh May 01 03:24:15 as a glitch, then came back...hah May 01 03:24:21 still..... that's cool May 01 03:24:31 well done sir May 01 03:24:47 heh May 01 03:25:18 do u have more than one up there? May 01 03:25:56 ahhh, friend just arrived, time for beers by the fire under stars May 01 03:26:04 be back in a bit May 01 03:26:08 nope May 01 03:28:41 OK, I've written up the dirt on doing Cross-App Launches: May 01 03:28:42 http://webos101.com/Cross-App_Launch May 01 03:36:04 hmmmm... clean-up, security, or file transfer to do next on my app... May 01 03:46:25 evening May 01 03:48:09 howdy May 01 03:49:19 montana weather sucks :( May 01 03:49:41 still in the states eh? May 01 03:49:48 yeah May 01 03:49:53 at least i've got some pics today May 01 03:50:34 http://www.inorbit.ch/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1748&g2_serialNumber=1 May 01 03:51:16 was also working on my app May 01 03:52:14 nice pic May 01 04:04:35 Man, you really did go to Montana. May 01 04:04:49 I kinda thought you were joking when we talked at dev day May 01 04:04:58 Looks bleak May 01 04:07:48 yeah May 01 04:07:56 bad weather since i got there .. oh well May 01 04:08:08 Shoulda stayed in california May 01 04:08:11 yeah May 01 04:08:23 We've had some "bad weather" since you left May 01 04:08:32 i have family to visit here in bozeman May 01 04:08:36 it was 60 degrees and it drizzled a bit May 01 04:08:58 Yeah, I've got family in Cleveland, Ohio May 01 04:09:34 I think the secret to life is to have family in places like Hawaii or the French Riviera May 01 04:09:51 that'd be cool May 01 04:10:13 looks likea i also missed all the excitement at the palm hq May 01 04:11:00 hey, look at that, looks like Moo is gonna win $1000 May 01 04:11:03 congrats May 01 04:11:22 not if it keeps going down like it is May 01 04:11:34 well, you're solidly in the middle May 01 04:11:41 gotta release a new version! May 01 04:11:54 I never paid much attention to the hotapps challenge May 01 04:12:15 I finally looked at it today, and I feel stupid May 01 04:12:22 where's you app? May 01 04:12:25 hey jenp May 01 04:12:31 hi all May 01 04:12:33 hi swisstomcat May 01 04:12:43 I'll bet I could have gotten into the $1000 level if I'd bothered to enter when it started May 01 04:13:02 My app is Keyring, which is still in Homebrew, because I'm constantly tinkering with it May 01 04:13:03 if you have a great app it's not too late to enter now May 01 04:13:14 and telling myself "next version I'll be ready for the catalog" May 01 04:13:37 I'll be submitting next week, I hope May 01 04:14:03 great May 01 04:14:05 need to get a version out in homebrew that supports transferring data to other versions installed on the same phone May 01 04:14:28 make sure you have different app-id's between homebrew and app-catalog May 01 04:14:40 yup. That's why I need to do this May 01 04:14:40 i didn't and got into trouble May 01 04:14:53 I was ready to submit when I thought of that May 01 04:15:05 where's your data stored? May 01 04:15:05 sigh May 01 04:15:10 depot May 01 04:15:23 kridx: Nice on the Cross-app launch. I didn't know that we could do that. May 01 04:15:43 hey roy-pre101 May 01 04:15:44 thx. Neither did I, and it's gonna be a life saver for me May 01 04:16:09 BTW, you can add to get syntax highlighting May 01 04:16:19 Cleaning it up now. May 01 04:16:29 ahh, cool May 01 04:16:36 my beta is ready to be released too .. already at 1.0.10 May 01 04:16:44 Is there any way to get multi-line list items? May 01 04:16:59 In the wiki? May 01 04:17:03 the equivalent of "
  • blah blah
    blah blah
  • " May 01 04:17:06 yeah May 01 04:17:12 Oh... Hmm... May 01 04:17:20 a line item that splits a line... May 01 04:17:28 I ended up with May 01 04:17:29 * blah blah May 01 04:17:29 : blah blah May 01 04:17:48 but that doesn't quite line up, and it renders as non-sematic May 01 04:18:08 (this is on the appManager page I wrote earlier) May 01 04:19:18 Could try dropping a
    in there and see if it works May 01 04:19:35 you can add straight html? cool... May 01 04:20:03 Rockin! That works. May 01 04:20:45 Don't see where you added that. May 01 04:20:57 Still editing... May 01 04:21:10 ah May 01 04:21:14 well, that 'splains it. May 01 04:21:27 http://webos101.com/Application_Manager May 01 04:21:36 now with more shiny May 01 04:24:44 anyone up for testing a website (unrelated to palm) May 01 04:25:35 sure May 01 04:25:49 www.beatricekillam.com May 01 04:28:09 questions May 01 04:28:17 hey ron_frown May 01 04:28:17 where is the best place to include js files May 01 04:28:24 sources.json? May 01 04:28:25 where is the howdy May 01 04:28:41 kridx: Hmm, there's also a definition thing for wiki but I don't see it in the list May 01 04:28:59 haha May 01 04:29:20 any idea why my html+js+css could not show u May 01 04:29:22 up May 01 04:29:35 debugger shows script loading May 01 04:29:41 and console doesnt show any errors May 01 04:30:32 god damn it itunes blows for playing large mp3s May 01 04:30:41 so whens the new os coming out May 01 04:31:28 kridx: Also, you can use *: to continue a list item May 01 04:31:38 (or #: for numbered lists) May 01 04:32:06 ron_frown: you've included js in sources.json and it doesn't work? May 01 04:32:09 so $fx ended up to be a WAY WAY WAY WAY better solution for my clients and I than crappy ass canvas support May 01 04:32:17 and thats not at all palms fault =) May 01 04:32:33 yeah May 01 04:32:34 $fx looks nice May 01 04:32:44 $fx? May 01 04:32:52 and I can see js files get included with debugging May 01 04:32:56 its entering into my js May 01 04:33:02 but the html never gets displayed May 01 04:33:22 debugger doesnt show html content, dont suppose theres something batter than palm watcher or whatever like ares debugger is there? May 01 04:33:51 http://fx.inetcat.com/ May 01 04:33:58 are you using the ares debugger? May 01 04:33:59 incredibly lightweight js animation library May 01 04:34:04 ooh, I think I finally figured something out about categories. Though I still think they don't show up in searches May 01 04:34:08 swisstomcat: yes and its breaking and stepping like it should May 01 04:34:22 just not displaying my html which may be because of css May 01 04:34:28 but I dont know how to fiddle with that May 01 04:34:36 palm watcher sucks May 01 04:34:44 inspector rather May 01 04:35:02 does anyone know how to create a feed for preware? May 01 04:36:00 chriswebos: i'd ask in #webos-internals May 01 04:36:20 is that a different channel? May 01 04:36:23 yes May 01 04:36:30 oh...thanks May 01 04:36:34 that's were the webos-internals people hang out May 01 04:36:42 coolness May 01 04:37:33 nevermind May 01 04:37:36 crashed emu I guess May 01 04:38:32 swisstomcat: so whats new player May 01 04:39:32 i don't understand your question, ron_frown May 01 04:39:38 Hmm, templates may not be too difficult to add to the wiki. Still need to wrap my head around them. May 01 04:41:35 whats going on May 01 04:41:41 still cranking on webos? May 01 04:41:51 I cant WAIT to get done with this project so I can hammer out this android app May 01 04:41:57 then I am back on my database server May 01 04:42:08 I plan on being up for at elast another 24hr coding =) May 01 04:42:23 hmm May 01 04:42:35 my stylesheets if I specify /images/... May 01 04:42:48 it craps out saying cant hit cryptofs directly, if I leave out the slash, the path is wrong May 01 04:42:54 should I use relative paths May 01 04:42:57 ../../ May 01 04:43:00 or ? May 01 04:43:30 images should work May 01 04:43:39 e.g images/abc.png May 01 04:45:51 file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.mycompany.dialasmile/stylesheets/call/monkeyman/cloud1.png May 01 04:45:59 thats what the inspector says May 01 04:46:09 stylesheets isnt in the url in the style sheets May 01 04:46:14 I suppose I coul dhardcode abs path May 01 04:46:25 why would an image be in stylesheets? May 01 04:46:34 its not May 01 04:46:35 thats the point May 01 04:46:38 in that stylesheet May 01 04:46:39 oh May 01 04:46:54 I do background url(call/blah May 01 04:47:05 i see May 01 04:47:21 I could do abs path May 01 04:47:21 let me check my code May 01 04:47:26 dont think css likes ../ May 01 04:47:52 .cmd-icon-up { background-image: url(../images/menu-icon-up.png); } May 01 04:48:01 this works May 01 04:48:16 weird May 01 04:48:17 ok May 01 04:48:17 danke May 01 04:48:36 trying May 01 04:49:11 ron_frown: You need to use the application path variable, not a fixed path. May 01 04:49:11 my two requests for palm inspector May 01 04:49:15 dont have to restart May 01 04:49:24 and not to ahve to resize the window EVERY time May 01 04:49:25 Or use relative paths. May 01 04:49:37 From the css: image(../images/my.jpg) May 01 04:49:47 yea I think thats going to work fine May 01 04:51:09 Also, use Mojo.appPath to get the path to your app May 01 04:51:21 e.g.: Music.setupMusic(Mojo.appPath+"/mysound.wav", true); May 01 04:51:40 yeah I cant do that here in css May 01 04:51:45 unless it preprocesses .css files May 01 04:51:58 hmmm, no. May 01 04:53:12 Thinking about a template for all the widget pages that has some common info in it, floated to the right in a box. May 01 04:53:30 name, a picture of the widget, link to Palm docs... anything else? May 01 04:56:14 blah May 01 04:56:33 of course this css wouldnt work in the palm webos browser May 01 04:57:49 what are you trying to do ? May 01 05:15:20 if you need preprocessing in css, you're probably doing it wrong :) May 01 06:06:49 time for bed, good night May 01 06:30:08 I love that answer that software guys always give as a I dont know, you are doing it wrong May 01 06:30:08 haha May 01 06:40:16 is there a version of style matters for the desktop or browser other than that .xls file? May 01 07:52:04 GAGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH May 01 13:16:35 hi haeffb May 01 13:16:54 what's been the HP chatter 'round here? May 01 13:28:11 what does the onCharsAllowed Event in a textfield do? May 01 13:56:19 Bmyers May 01 13:56:36 it's either good or it's not. May 01 15:14:12 when i put a label to a say header, and i want to localize the label, how do i do that in ares? May 01 15:14:34 because when i put it like $('Header') in the label box, then this exact string is being displayed May 01 15:16:36 localization is $L('my text') May 01 15:17:41 yeah, just a typo sorry May 01 15:18:38 still, how do i localize in ares May 01 15:21:37 I don't do ares, but assume it's the same as in SDK. You create a strings.json file in resources\de (for German) that is used to translate the strings. May 01 15:22:01 resources/en for english May 01 15:22:14 but, normally, you'd use the default language in the $L string May 01 15:22:29 $L('This is the header in English') May 01 15:23:16 then in strings.json in resources/de yould have an entry: "This is the header in English" : "This is the header in German"; May 01 15:23:22 sure, but if i put the value $L('Header') into the box in ares... then the Header is really '$L('Header')' May 01 15:23:41 Oh. May 01 15:23:53 huh. May 01 15:23:59 yeah.. ^^ May 01 15:24:11 ask Rick_work: he's writing the book. May 01 15:24:25 Rick_work: you there? May 01 15:54:18 joetweeply: Maybe Ares is smart enough to wrap the text in $L() in the generated code? May 01 16:02:22 yeah kridx that is my hope too... i'm currently creating everything... if i find it out i'll tell you May 01 16:02:29 thx May 01 16:08:22 no it doesn't May 01 16:08:30 sigh May 01 16:08:42 Is there a preference or something that might change its mind? May 01 16:09:49 wait... it does not even use my german one May 01 16:10:07 Hmm, see http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=6754 May 01 16:10:27 oh nevermind May 01 16:10:29 which implies that ares should do The Right Thing when you type in $L('text') May 01 16:10:47 huh May 01 16:11:02 I haven't used ares yet, but I've localized my app May 01 16:11:05 what a PITA May 01 16:11:40 the forum states to not use quotes May 01 16:11:55 that's for variable names May 01 16:12:10 dunno what to say. Experiment a bit... May 01 16:12:14 complain on the forum May 01 16:12:18 give up? May 01 16:12:32 no workee without quotes May 01 16:14:02 This would be easier if Palm's dev forum engine didn't suck May 01 16:14:12 the search function is basically useless May 01 16:14:28 good luck... May 01 16:22:16 thanx May 01 16:22:27 i have to relabel them myself in the assistant May 01 16:24:55 joetweeply: The header is probably being set up May 01 16:24:58 err.. May 01 16:25:18 probably being set up with the label as static text. I would write something in there about it being a misfeature. May 01 16:25:46 in the forums you mean? May 01 16:25:54 Yep, in the ares forum. May 01 16:26:28 You could always create a copy of the chrome and stuff in the translation resources directory but I think it'd be better if they did use translated strings. May 01 16:26:46 (I suspect it might work, I should say) May 01 16:27:54 that is just too much work i think May 01 16:33:32 humph..... last thing to do is to change the hintText of a textField.... how to do that ~~ May 01 16:38:15 ooh... I don't know if there is an easy way to do it. May 01 16:38:28 hintText is an attribute. You can't change attributes May 01 16:38:43 joetweeply: inspect the app... using the inspector. Find the div id for the hint text and change it with DOM May 01 16:39:31 i get the element with this.$.textField1 ... but changing hinttext that way doesn't work May 01 16:39:33 how can I do this, but in a way that actually works: this.controller.window.setTimeout('this.controller.get("Scrim").hide().bind(this)', 10000); May 01 16:39:55 just use setTimeout haeffb May 01 16:40:04 not with this.controller.window May 01 16:40:18 this.controller.window part works. May 01 16:40:21 joetweeply: doh! stupid ares... You need to find the div id of hint text May 01 16:40:34 trying to bind the this.controller.get does not. May 01 16:40:53 haeffb: just create a function taht has the hide function in it? May 01 16:41:19 this.controller.window.setTimeout('this.hide.bind(this)', 10000); May 01 16:41:22 i use it like this haeffb: setTimeout( this.myFunctionHandler.bind( this ), 1000 ); May 01 16:41:35 Tibfib: the hinttext within a textField has an own div? May 01 16:41:42 joetweeply: i believe so May 01 16:41:47 yes, it does May 01 16:41:48 can't check atm May 01 16:42:20 this sounds crazy... if that is my only option... :/ May 01 16:42:39 have to use inspector to find it. But I'm not positive it's the same div name/id/whatever all the time because it's generated by the framework May 01 16:42:51 I think it is the easiest option. May 01 16:44:05 another is to swap the same scene without animation so it sets up the text field attributes again. May 01 16:44:05 which isn't a good option May 01 16:44:28 dangit. I need to do my homework. later all May 01 16:44:34 later May 01 16:44:54 well... at least it is just one... and it could also contain "Name" ... for german and english ^^ May 01 16:51:29 cool... no annual fee for the developer account? May 01 16:53:19 not yet May 01 16:53:30 $50 per app, though May 01 17:08:24 howdy all May 01 17:11:03 hullo, BigBiff May 01 17:11:32 you got my starmapp finished? May 01 17:12:40 yeah, im gonna need you to go ahead and get that done/ on my pre May 01 17:13:27 nearly done. May 01 17:13:46 and by nearly, I mean I have no idea how to even start May 01 17:14:39 hehe May 01 17:15:41 for future reference: May 01 17:15:42 this.hideScrim = function () { May 01 17:15:42 this.controller.get("Scrim").hide(); May 01 17:15:42 }.bind(this); May 01 17:15:42 this.hideScrim.delay(10); May 01 17:16:37 is delay a prototype function? May 01 17:16:39 well haeffb, to complete the star map you just some simple trig, a magnetometer, a team of about 15 software engineers, the hipparcos catalog and 4000 hours of work May 01 17:18:15 yes it is May 01 17:18:28 * haeffb assumes setTimeout would have worked similarly May 01 17:18:29 does it take a while until my upgrade of the developer account is commited? May 01 17:33:57 If I wanted to use noticeRemovedItems(offset, items) to delete all items in a list, what would "offset" and "items" be? May 01 17:35:53 0, list.length ? May 01 17:37:01 It says "Uncaught ReferenceError: list is not defined " May 01 17:37:48 oh May 01 17:37:49 wait May 01 17:38:32 Eh still says it May 01 17:38:47 How do I define it? May 01 17:39:25 Doesn't Ares automatically define it? May 01 17:44:09 in ares you have the modelName Attribute May 01 17:44:14 there you put in the name May 01 17:44:25 and in your assistant you then have the variable this. May 01 17:46:26 Yea, I named it list1 in the settings panel May 01 17:46:31 The error is on this line: this.controller.get("list1").mojo.noticeRemovedItems(0, list1.length); May 01 17:47:04 It says list1 is not defined May 01 17:57:46 what function is being called when i minimize a scene? May 01 17:58:01 deactivate() May 01 17:58:28 doesn't seem so May 01 17:59:38 can you put items in the deactivate function that were not in activate()? May 01 18:00:06 i imagine the answer would be no May 01 18:00:07 what do you mean? May 01 18:00:17 i've just never used either one May 01 18:00:34 i need to use it to pause my game May 01 18:00:43 better say, to lose the game May 01 18:00:48 yet it does not do it May 01 18:01:30 i guess that goes along with my question - May 01 18:01:56 nope, deactivate is not being called May 01 18:02:03 joetweeply: put a Mojo.Log.info("Going to deactivate"); to see if you're getting there... May 01 18:02:13 that's what i did... no output May 01 18:02:23 Called each time the scene is no longer the top scene on the stack (when it's popped, or when another scene is pushed on top). In the case where the scene is being popped, this is called before the off-stage transition begins. May 01 18:02:28 that's what the documentation says May 01 18:02:28 maybe you have an error before that ? May 01 18:02:29 BigBiff: yes, you can put whatever you want in deactivate() May 01 18:02:47 no error May 01 18:03:34 what are you doing ? pushing a new scene ? back gesture ? May 01 18:04:45 hmmm.... joetweeply: I can confirm that deactivate is not being called on minimize. May 01 18:04:46 nope, hitting the minimize button May 01 18:05:04 so how can i stop my game on minimize? May 01 18:05:11 the documentation isn't helping May 01 18:07:44 check the dev forums? May 01 18:09:31 what would I tap into to prevent a back gesture/escape? May 01 18:09:38 is there such a thing I can do May 01 18:09:53 oh i got it May 01 18:10:13 i have to listen manually to Mojo.Event.stageDeactivate May 01 18:10:45 * haeffb wonders if stage deactivate() is called. May 01 18:11:02 can I preventdefault on deactivate May 01 18:12:12 prevent what? May 01 18:12:13 it's interesting - this is exactly what im trying to do - use the back to close any open drawers May 01 18:12:23 no sure where to put it May 01 18:12:49 ron_frown: listen on Mojo.Event.back ? May 01 18:13:22 can you prevent defaults tho May 01 18:13:25 intercept the event May 01 18:13:48 ron_frown: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6393&p=26331&hilit=Mojo.Event.back#p26331 May 01 18:14:21 nice May 01 18:14:22 danke May 01 18:18:45 handle command - makes sense May 01 18:26:17 wow - still cant figure out why when i tap on certain list items at bottom of list, part of the screen turns white May 01 18:26:32 the listtap generates the ajax request May 01 18:27:17 when i scroll on the white screen, the list comes back to view May 01 18:27:22 strange May 01 18:55:26 hi May 01 18:55:36 haeffb: here I am. May 01 18:56:07 MetaView May 01 18:56:24 ran Preware again today. Again today I had a luna restart. May 01 18:56:42 well :) May 01 18:57:19 I ran Preware today too, to install Agenda, but no reset yet, let's see later May 01 18:57:50 ahhhhh - my list problem happens after the 20th item May 01 18:57:51 Shall I add a 4th command button to launch agenda? wouldn't be bad, or? May 01 18:59:03 would be good! May 01 18:59:22 I've requests for that, but don't have the skillz to make a patch. May 01 19:00:05 ok, I add it, will see how to get a patch out of it, and especially how to apply the patch, the part of the fs is read-only May 01 19:00:22 I have a second calendar app atm for testing May 01 19:00:35 ah.... that might make it a bit more difficult. May 01 19:00:56 Agenda currently doesn't take a param to open to a particular date/range, but I could easily add that... May 01 19:01:49 Well, the most current events would be what one expect, or? May 01 19:05:40 haeffb: the app id? May 01 19:08:32 com.palm.app.agenda May 01 19:09:13 I would think...Agenda opened to the day/week/month shown in the calendar app. May 01 19:09:30 but for now, just opening it would be a great start. May 01 19:15:37 need an agenda icon May 01 19:16:06 which I can add next to the other 3 May 01 19:16:32 need an agenda icon, anyone? May 01 19:16:43 I'll cook one up.... May 01 19:16:53 cool May 01 19:17:38 do you need one fro mthe calendar app? May 01 19:17:41 as template? May 01 19:22:33 MetaView: see pm. May 01 19:31:34 * haeffb_pre had to go mobile May 01 19:32:01 hm, agenda doesn't really start May 01 19:33:07 appManager 'launch' ? May 01 19:33:29 tried launch, but I guess it's open? May 01 19:33:54 also it's a pity, the icon fits very well into the command menu bar May 01 19:34:20 but the behaviour isn't right, the button is a toggle one, but one would need a push one May 01 19:34:44 maybe I should try to set the command menu back to the correct state May 01 19:34:55 open is to open a data file May 01 19:35:23 ok, open doesn't work too May 01 19:35:26 add agenda in a separate group in the items list. May 01 19:35:38 doesn't look that cool May 01 19:36:11 true May 01 19:41:11 haeffb_pre: you will have to debug the launch, there is no debug or error output fro magenda May 01 19:41:16 from agenda May 01 19:41:44 I will do when I get back home... 20 min... May 01 19:42:23 pastebin the serviceRequest code? May 01 19:45:17 yes May 01 19:46:04 ever saw the event description in the day view written beyond the box? May 01 19:46:23 to me the code looks not correct May 01 19:55:49 how to update the menu model? May 01 19:56:16 ok, found it :D May 01 19:56:54 I have not seen that in day view... May 01 19:58:33 http://www.pastie.org/941785 is what I use in Agenda for the QuickEvent program... May 01 19:59:22 http://www.pastie.org/941786 May 01 19:59:57 but maybe it's a fault of my device, my second calendar app also doesn't come up everytime May 01 20:00:22 hmmmm...looks like it should work. May 01 20:00:47 yes May 01 20:00:52 ok May 01 20:01:07 now let me create a patch file.... May 01 20:01:53 nope, not working here either. Need to look at Agenda & see if there's a problem. May 01 20:01:59 ok May 01 20:02:11 maybe the empty param? May 01 20:02:16 it's agenda problem... if I use calendar instead it launches. May 01 20:02:22 ok May 01 20:02:49 yes, remove params{} May 01 20:03:03 what was the prefered options for diff to create a patch file? May 01 20:05:17 ok, it works May 01 20:12:27 hi jay May 01 20:12:33 hi MetaView May 01 20:14:11 "diff -u orginal changed patchfile" should work, or? May 01 20:22:09 hm, how to add a binary file using a patch? May 01 20:23:12 oh, binary patches? May 01 20:23:57 bsdiff and bspatch should exist on the phone May 01 20:24:09 yep May 01 20:24:17 binary patches are only supported in AUPT-4, not yet publicly released May 01 20:24:27 standard bspatch and bsdiff May 01 20:25:07 hm May 01 20:25:36 what are ya tryin to patch? May 01 20:25:39 well, will first try the normal source patch... May 01 20:25:49 I try to patch the calendar May 01 20:26:01 have you seen my screenshots on twitter? May 01 20:26:06 ah, the calendar service? May 01 20:26:16 no, the app May 01 20:26:22 subject line in week view May 01 20:26:32 oh, well standard non-binary patch would work fine there May 01 20:26:34 alarm symbol in day and week view May 01 20:26:43 I need to add one icon May 01 20:26:46 ah May 01 20:26:48 to integrate agenda May 01 20:27:01 well that you need to make a custom ipk with May 01 20:27:49 ok, you mean an ipk where i call a script, which does the patch and copies the icon? May 01 20:27:55 you can use current AUPT-3 postinst/prerm script as a base May 01 20:28:02 and remount the fs before and after? May 01 20:28:08 nah May 01 20:28:17 wosqi/preware do that already May 01 20:28:38 also for /usr/palm/application May 01 20:28:49 +s May 01 20:29:35 ya just need the .patch file and image May 01 20:30:13 the plug those into the aupt-3 scripts May 01 20:30:56 postinst and prerm can be found at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=autopatch;hb=HEAD May 01 20:31:05 they're gpl May 01 20:34:28 ok, need to figure it out tomorrow May 01 20:35:20 or maybe I send my files to you and you do it :D May 01 20:37:49 patch header needs to be /usr/palm/applications/... ? May 01 20:38:06 can't work with \usr\palm\applications\... ? May 01 20:39:52 source patch applied, let's see what happens after reset May 01 20:44:47 WOQI can remove applied patch files, right? May 01 20:44:50 hi all May 01 20:44:59 hi May 01 21:27:18 g'night May 01 21:33:24 whats new JenP? May 01 21:33:40 hey haeffb not much. you? May 01 22:11:06 Test May 01 22:11:11 Whew. May 01 22:15:13 Wrapping up from a visit from in-laws May 01 22:19:52 And time to abandon my wifi hotspot. LAter folks. May 01 22:36:20 catalystmedia: love tweetme May 01 22:36:59 Thanks haeffb! I'm glad you like it :D May 01 22:41:29 Sorry if I left ya hangin haeffb, I just put my computer to sleep :P Headin out of the office (finally) I'm really glad you liked it though :) Let me know if you'd like to see any new features! You can email me at tweetme + the word app at gmail dot com if you'd like May 01 22:41:32 See ya everyone! May 01 22:42:27 Oh and have an awesome weekend :) May 01 22:45:39 is there a list of available locales for webos? May 01 22:46:48 joetweeply I believe only EFIGS are supported May 01 22:47:19 but is there a difference between en_us, en_uk, en_es ? May 01 22:49:19 just specializations, yea May 01 22:52:44 so basically what should be enough is de_de, en_us, es_es? ... later i could add fr_fr and it_it? May 01 22:56:41 yea May 01 22:57:04 you could just use "en" "de", etc. to generically cover all variants May 01 22:58:16 this is possible? May 01 22:58:31 so in my resources folder i just have de, en and es? May 01 23:02:11 yep May 01 23:02:18 I did that for Internalz May 01 23:04:38 cool May 01 23:04:57 sucks that i cannot rename stuff in ares May 02 02:15:03 morning May 02 02:26:47 hey May 02 02:27:32 cdm May 02 02:27:45 still doing the palm thing> May 02 02:28:51 of course. May 02 02:28:56 HP thing soon. :) May 02 02:29:28 thats what I was getting at May 02 02:29:33 you've been aroudn town with diff companies May 02 02:29:46 thought there was an unfortunate chance of being moved on involuntarily May 02 02:30:14 around town? May 02 02:30:32 qnx,a,p May 02 02:32:11 ohhh May 02 02:32:19 well, that was across 10 years. May 02 02:33:49 holy cow... reading the little spat in super pre kernel thread. May 02 02:34:01 cdm: congrats on being bought :) May 02 02:34:12 Tibfib: tell me about it May 02 02:34:26 well handled rwhitby May 02 02:34:49 caj is being a baby... there I said it. May 02 02:35:32 linky? May 02 02:35:44 * halfhalo wants to see them fightin May 02 02:35:44 no don't May 02 02:35:46 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/243857-new-super-pre-kernel-app-smokin-6.html#post2417042 May 02 02:35:52 I started there May 02 02:36:24 I don't care what the truth is... but the fact that he results to insults is just immature May 02 02:36:52 hmmm May 02 02:37:06 but of course rwhitby is correct ;) May 02 02:37:14 * halfhalo notices that caj acts just like someone else on another forum…. May 02 02:37:57 I don't want to take anything away from the solid work caj has done in testing and support for users of the first generation solutions. May 02 02:39:00 but the cold hard fact is that he made the wrong technical decision on releasing SPK without updating the kernel first, and only now the effect is being seen. May 02 02:39:29 so is it a cause of the double-typing? May 02 02:40:10 the reports (I wouldn't call it a fact yet) are that the double typing was fixed in the 1.4.1 kernel, so you don't get the fix if you're running SPK May 02 02:40:28 it was May 02 02:40:35 fix to the keyboard driver. May 02 02:40:45 should be easy enough to drop into your guys crazy kernel May 02 02:40:52 Well, even before this I always thought he was a jackass. But he sounds eerily similar to someone on another forum I visit who constantly says the 260GTX is the best mobile card ever. Even when every single other person told him he's wrong May 02 02:40:58 Ah, I see. that would make sense. May 02 02:41:05 cdm: are all 1.4.1.1 releases the same as far as kernel source goes? May 02 02:41:17 rwhitby: for a given platform? yes. May 02 02:41:22 sirloin vs. chuck May 02 02:41:28 cdm: right May 02 02:41:42 cdm: WebOS Internals kernels are compiled against 1.4.1(.1) source May 02 02:42:16 The SPK (released by caj2008) continues to use the 1.4.0 kernel sources. May 02 02:42:45 btw, the screenstate governor is very nice. congrats to the team May 02 02:42:57 Unfortunately, the SPK is the one which got the story on Engadget, cause we were still busy thinking about how to handle OTA updates and kernels. May 02 02:43:16 Tibfib: yeah, it's nice and simple, and incurs no wake-up overheads. May 02 02:43:53 Tibfib: that's all unixpsycho's work, which we alpha tested in his compcache kernel, and then moved over to the Uber-Kernel as a selectable governor May 02 02:44:31 very nice May 02 02:45:40 epic post: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/243857-new-super-pre-kernel-app-smokin-7.html#post2417302 May 02 02:45:47 (in a bad way) May 02 02:46:21 on second thought, epic is a bad adjective for that post. May 02 02:46:25 rwhitby: you guys look at the chuck kernel's governor? May 02 02:46:38 it's wired to the touch screen IRQ, works really well. May 02 02:47:14 afk May 02 02:47:45 cdm: no, haven't looked at that - thanks for the heads up. May 02 02:51:06 ah so cdm is another palm employee? May 02 02:56:53 Tibfib: how are your apps going in the hot apps competition? May 02 02:57:58 countdown puzzles is steadily decreasing... at ~177 now...hah May 02 02:58:46 yeah, cdm works at palm May 02 02:59:34 makes me wonder who else is one in here :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 02 02:59:56 2010