**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 03 02:59:56 2010
May 03 03:02:36 <haeffb> pandora-- that would work. I usually just put it at the top of appAssistant (or stageAssistant), above the constructor function.
May 03 03:22:51 <BigBiff_> i hate trying to style rows so much
May 03 03:30:35 <haeffb> I agree
May 03 03:34:11 <BigBiff_> it truly takes an act of god to get that damned row divider to adjust to the row height
May 03 04:00:48 <swisstomcat> evening
May 03 04:06:47 <haeffb> hey swisstomcat, what's up?
May 03 04:06:55 <swisstomcat> hey haeffb
May 03 04:07:01 <swisstomcat> went to yellowstone today
May 03 04:07:11 <swisstomcat> very cool
May 03 04:07:13 <haeffb> nice.
May 03 04:07:13 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1782&g2_serialNumber=1
May 03 04:07:57 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1788&g2_serialNumber=1
May 03 04:07:57 <kridx> Lookit all that snow.  It was about 75F here today...
May 03 04:08:08 <kridx> wow
May 03 04:08:16 <swisstomcat> thanks a lot for your feedback, kridx
May 03 04:08:45 <Roy-Pre101> Sheesh, it was 90+ yesterday here.
May 03 04:09:09 <swisstomcat> sheesh, it was 18 at yellowstone in the morning
May 03 04:09:23 <swisstomcat> i'll fly out to denver and then to new york tomorrow
May 03 04:10:10 <kridx> are you spending any time in NY?
May 03 04:11:07 <swisstomcat> yeah, i have almost a day in NYC
May 03 04:11:38 * haeffb_pre watching dvr'd eps of sunny in PA
May 03 04:12:15 <swisstomcat> will probably go to NYC Resistor and meet unwiredben
May 03 04:14:55 <swisstomcat> who else is in NYC that i could meet?
May 03 04:16:17 <pandora--> ooh yellowstone is cool
May 03 04:16:39 <swisstomcat> yeah, i enjoyed it
May 03 04:17:09 <swisstomcat> saw wild bisons, a wolf, elk, sheep
May 03 04:17:52 <pandora--> nice :)
May 03 04:18:00 <pandora--> did you eat any of them?
May 03 04:18:07 <swisstomcat> nah
May 03 04:18:15 <swisstomcat> saw a wolf gnawing at a bison
May 03 04:18:23 <pandora--> lol
May 03 04:18:48 <swisstomcat> saw old faithful, not that impressing tho
May 03 04:25:03 <swisstomcat> the weather could have  been better tho
May 03 04:25:27 <swisstomcat> oh well, spring in the north-west is different than back home i guess
May 03 04:26:33 <swishy> sheep lol
May 03 04:42:21 <swisstomcat> g'night everyone
May 03 05:21:08 <Roy-Pre101> Yooooooooooo feel compelled to write something on webos101.com
May 03 05:22:57 <kridx> Suddenly I have this strange urge to deface a wiki page with foul language.  Hmm, what wiki should I choose?
May 03 05:24:39 <pandora--> hrm
May 03 05:30:23 <hughszg> hey guys, i installed palm webos plug-in in Eclipse, it appeared there, but after I installed aptana as per the guide, webos has gone nowhere after restarting elicpse. please assist. by the way i am using Eclipse Galileo(3.5)
May 03 05:31:10 <hughszg> I've googled and search palm forum but found no useful info.
May 03 05:34:41 <dohtem> hughszg: "webos has gone nowhere after restarting elicpse" <-- I'm not sure what you mean there?
May 03 05:35:27 <hughszg> dohtem: tks for response. i restarted eclipse after installed aptana but can't find webos in window->open pespective->other
May 03 05:36:13 <hughszg> but in the installation summary page i can see palm webos has been installed in eclipse
May 03 05:39:24 <dohtem> hmm... in Help -> About, do you see a Palm icon?
May 03 05:40:55 <hughszg> dohtem: nope, there are only four icons Eclipse Mylyn, Eclipse Packaging,  WTP and Eclipse.org
May 03 05:41:41 <dohtem> not even Aptana
May 03 05:41:50 <dohtem> ?
May 03 05:41:58 <hughszg> dohtem: no
May 03 05:42:35 <dohtem> sounds like the plugins are not properly installed.  you could try that again
May 03 05:42:50 <hughszg> but in the installation details, I can see Aptana Studio, Eclipse IDE for Java Developers and Palm webOS SDK in installed software tab
May 03 05:43:19 <hughszg> when I tried to install again, it told me that Palm webOS has been installed, can't proceed
May 03 05:43:30 <hughszg> should I uninstall and reinstall?
May 03 05:44:12 <dohtem> did you restart eclipse to apply changes?
May 03 05:44:35 <hughszg> dohtem: sure
May 03 05:45:13 <hughszg> i restarted twice, once after webos install, once after aptana
May 03 05:45:33 <hughszg> have I noticed that I am under Ubuntu(linux)?
May 03 05:46:09 <dohtem> I dunno man... I'm all out of ideas :(
May 03 05:46:23 <dohtem> In file - new - project... , is there a Palm WebOS folder?
May 03 05:47:17 <hughszg> dohtem: nope
May 03 05:48:33 <hughszg> dohtem: may I know your OS and eclipse version?
May 03 05:49:13 <dohtem> Win 7, Eclipse 3.5
May 03 05:49:54 <hughszg> dohtem: i believe OS won't be a problem as eclipse is platform indepedent,
May 03 05:50:04 <hughszg> but we are using the same version of eclipse
May 03 05:50:22 <hughszg> anyway, i will do a un/re install
May 03 05:51:06 <dohtem> Sorry man. :(
May 03 05:55:09 <phiberoptik> 70% revenue SHARING w00t
May 03 05:55:37 <hughszg> mates, after a study I found that the plugins of webos has been install to ~/.eclipse/plugins but not the /opt/eclipse/plugins, can this be the problem? If yes, how to correct it?
May 03 05:58:27 <dohtem> completely guessing here but try closing eclipse and copying the plugins to /opt/eclipse/plugins.
May 03 06:01:08 <dohtem> hughszg: did that work?
May 03 06:01:36 <hughszg> dohtem: i am also waiting for advice from #eclipse channel, mate :)
May 03 06:01:45 <hughszg> BUT I will try it later
May 03 06:01:49 <dohtem> ah, np :)
May 03 06:39:13 <ron_frown> when is the new software deu
May 03 06:39:14 <ron_frown> due
May 03 06:39:20 <ron_frown> I keep hearing people sayi its coming real soon
May 03 06:39:25 <ron_frown> but real soon in palm world means what
May 03 06:39:27 <ron_frown> 1wk
May 03 06:39:31 <ron_frown> couple days
May 03 06:39:33 <ron_frown> 1mo?
May 03 06:41:21 <PixelDJ> I'm not sure
May 03 06:42:05 <PixelDJ> which software, new os update?
May 03 06:42:37 <ron_frown> yeah
May 03 06:43:53 * PixelDJ shrugs
May 03 06:44:29 <Woody4u> WOW - something totally new and awsome - http://developer.symbian.org/main/tools_and_kits/symbian3_developer/index.php
May 03 06:44:42 <Woody4u> write apps for your mobile phone with HTML and JS - WOW
May 03 06:45:05 <PixelDJ> I think it's supposed to be late may/early june
May 03 06:45:41 <PixelDJ> Woody4u, lol
May 03 06:45:43 <oil> what is with that font
May 03 06:45:59 <ron_frown> I like how the email said
May 03 06:46:05 <ron_frown> be ready for upcoming software version
May 03 06:46:17 <ron_frown> but if theres no prerelease or beta
May 03 06:46:21 <ron_frown> how do we get it ready
May 03 06:46:39 <PixelDJ> just...be ready...cause it's coming
May 03 06:46:41 <PixelDJ> and if you're not ready
May 03 06:46:48 <PixelDJ> then...
May 03 06:46:58 <PixelDJ> who knows, but it won't be good
May 03 06:47:07 <pandora--> have any of you ever gotten this message: Warning: WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. Did you call it with the ORIGINAL model object, and not a replacement?
May 03 06:47:21 * pandora-- is baffled
May 03 06:55:23 <horuden> Is there no one that is excited about WebOS anymore?
May 03 06:55:53 <ron_frown> I think its hard to be excited when the future is unknown
May 03 06:55:57 <oil> what makes you say that?
May 03 06:56:14 <ron_frown> and then you have palm pps saying no buy outs, no buy outs, no buy outs
May 03 06:56:21 <ron_frown> then 2 days later buyout announcement
May 03 06:56:27 <ron_frown> inspires lots of confidence
May 03 06:56:45 <horuden> So what is your guys' oppinion about the HP buyout?
May 03 06:57:01 <ron_frown> ulterior motives and rape and pillage
May 03 06:57:04 <ron_frown> but I hope I am wrong
May 03 06:57:10 <Woody4u> plam said we can live with out beign bought
May 03 06:57:11 <ron_frown> hp aquired a lot of patents
May 03 06:57:13 <PixelDJ> I end up hating everything HP does
May 03 06:57:17 <PixelDJ> hopefully I'm wrong
May 03 06:57:30 <ron_frown> nothing to say they wont take the patents and terminate everything else
May 03 06:57:38 <Woody4u> hp bought plam because of me :(
May 03 06:57:43 <ron_frown> ?
May 03 06:57:52 <Woody4u> i bought me an compaq iPaq, after that HP bought Compaq
May 03 06:58:02 <ron_frown> ok
May 03 06:58:03 <ron_frown> ?
May 03 06:58:06 <Woody4u> i bought me an palm pre, no hp will buy palm
May 03 06:58:19 <Woody4u> i think they watch at me
May 03 06:58:21 <ron_frown> ahh yes
May 03 06:58:23 <ron_frown> could be
May 03 06:58:33 <Woody4u> i wonder when they will buy lenovo
May 03 06:58:34 <Woody4u> :D
May 03 06:58:42 <ron_frown> truthfully hardware and dev sdk has been the problem with palm thus far
May 03 06:59:15 <horuden> My biggest pet peve with the Palm Pre is the performance. Mainly scrolling through large documents.
May 03 06:59:38 <ron_frown> well apparently the pre's hardware isnt that bad
May 03 06:59:42 <ron_frown> procssor
May 03 06:59:48 <ron_frown> but the screensize and keybaord kinda suck
May 03 06:59:56 <ron_frown> and I dont think they optimized webkit very much for the task at hand
May 03 07:00:06 <ron_frown> the html 5 audio shit really blows cock
May 03 07:00:10 <ron_frown> I am sorry for being so crude
May 03 07:00:13 <ron_frown> but its a disaster
May 03 07:00:46 <horuden> I tend to agree. I haven't had mine long enough to really be proficient, but for the most part I like the switch
May 03 07:00:46 <ron_frown> I am building shit via a contract for webos
May 03 07:00:59 <ron_frown> and honestly now I am tempted to offer to port to android for free
May 03 07:01:12 <horuden> I just wish there were better webos apps
May 03 07:01:39 <ron_frown> pps I know at palm seem to think this is going to just boost dev in webos
May 03 07:01:40 <ron_frown> we'll see
May 03 07:01:49 <ron_frown> I've heard talk of hp tossing it on tablets
May 03 07:01:58 <ron_frown> I think that could actually be nice if htey do it right
May 03 07:02:05 <ron_frown> I like the idea of html5
May 03 07:02:11 <horuden> I really like that idea
May 03 07:02:11 <ron_frown> but in practice theres a lot thats not so great
May 03 07:02:23 <horuden> I think HP really wants to compete with Apple at this point in the game
May 03 07:02:42 <horuden> and someone needs to, apple needs to pull their head out of their asses and realize they are not god...
May 03 07:02:59 <phiberoptik> my palm pixi is coming in a few days
May 03 07:03:01 <phiberoptik> free upgrade can't wait
May 03 07:03:16 <phiberoptik> this should keep me busy until htc evo 4g comes out
May 03 07:03:21 <phiberoptik> going to write me a xbmc app
May 03 07:03:28 <PixelDJ> lol I'm waiting for the Evo 4G too
May 03 07:03:31 <phiberoptik> nice
May 03 07:03:38 <phiberoptik> july hopefully
May 03 07:03:58 <horuden> I want the Nexux One to come to Sprint
May 03 07:04:17 <ron_frown> I got a nexus one
May 03 07:04:22 <ron_frown> I'd hold of a while to be honest
May 03 07:04:23 <horuden> Do you like it?
May 03 07:04:28 <horuden> Really
May 03 07:04:44 * oil wants pre2
May 03 07:04:48 <ron_frown> they have some real annoying calibration bugs and their network searching stuff kinda sucks atm
May 03 07:04:55 <ron_frown> the rest of the phone I really love
May 03 07:05:00 <PixelDJ> phiberoptik, did you see http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/01/htc-evo-4g-found-loitering-in-sprint-store/ ?
May 03 07:05:21 <phiberoptik> yeah
May 03 07:05:22 <phiberoptik> i saw that
May 03 07:05:22 <phiberoptik> haha
May 03 07:05:37 <phiberoptik> the one thing i wanna see how well it wowrks is the dual camera
May 03 07:05:41 <phiberoptik> video teleconference
May 03 07:05:56 <ron_frown> why bother
May 03 07:06:01 <ron_frown> nobodys network would do that well
May 03 07:06:14 <phiberoptik> 4G
May 03 07:06:16 <ron_frown> look at the video most phones shoot, to be decent it has to be high res with high fps count
May 03 07:06:27 <horuden> Sprint could not do worse than AT&T
May 03 07:06:27 <PixelDJ> well they won't have 4G with WiMax here where I live for a bit probably, but the phone itself looks pretty cool
May 03 07:06:28 <ron_frown> I am not holding my breath
May 03 07:06:34 <PixelDJ> although I would miss the hardware keyboard
May 03 07:06:39 <ron_frown> and to some extent I still think thats kind of a niche thing
May 03 07:06:41 <ron_frown> its cool
May 03 07:06:49 <horuden> I miss my iPhone keyboard
May 03 07:06:53 <ron_frown> but half the people I need to talk to on a daily basis, I wouldnt want to see
May 03 07:07:03 <PixelDJ> lol
May 03 07:07:16 <phiberoptik> at&t is horrible
May 03 07:07:17 <phiberoptik> where i am
May 03 07:07:17 <horuden> No kidding, no one I get to talk to daily is very pretty to look at
May 03 07:07:21 <phiberoptik> i had to return the IPHONE 3GS
May 03 07:07:22 <horuden> AT&T is shit.
May 03 07:07:26 <phiberoptik> do to no reception
May 03 07:07:29 <phiberoptik> *due
May 03 07:07:30 <ron_frown> tmobile is worse =)
May 03 07:07:33 <phiberoptik> lol
May 03 07:07:37 <phiberoptik> verizon wireless > *
May 03 07:07:39 <horuden> That is exactly why i switched to sprint
May 03 07:07:41 <phiberoptik> sprint has treated me good so far
May 03 07:07:41 <ron_frown> in service
May 03 07:07:42 <horuden> no reception
May 03 07:07:42 <phiberoptik> lol
May 03 07:07:54 <ron_frown> horuden:  sprint is like the worst reception out of major metro areas
May 03 07:08:03 <phiberoptik> the htc incredible is the best android phone out so far
May 03 07:08:04 <ron_frown> outside those areas I mean
May 03 07:08:05 <phiberoptik> from what i read
May 03 07:08:13 <horuden> I havent had any problems, and I live in the middle of the utah desert lol
May 03 07:08:22 <ron_frown> I think incredible is basically the n1 cept optical sensor instead of trackball
May 03 07:08:27 <PixelDJ> I'm really enjoying sprint. They're bitchy about account stuff sometimes, but the other support is good
May 03 07:08:28 <horuden> But you are right the second I go out of town I am roaming
May 03 07:08:40 <horuden> but I had no att reception at all so its an improvement
May 03 07:08:47 <ron_frown> verizons network has more coverage in more areas
May 03 07:08:55 <ron_frown> but the network itself is cdma so naturally its shittier
May 03 07:09:12 <ron_frown> cdma = lets try and jam as absolutely many phone calls int he same pipe as we possibly can
May 03 07:09:20 <ron_frown> who cares about voice quality
May 03 07:09:21 <Woody4u> 4g - lol - here in germany they are in the bidding for the frequences, this means a runing network with 4g maybe in 1 year or later
May 03 07:09:27 <horuden> I miss my SIM card, GMS rules and I really don't understand why we are stuck in the past with this CDMA bull
May 03 07:09:39 <pandora--> horuden: +1
May 03 07:09:43 <horuden> The rest of the world knows what up
May 03 07:09:54 <ron_frown> its because cdma replaced tdma more prevalently than gsm (dont really know why that was)
May 03 07:10:01 <dpivs> i miss my sim card too.  sprint's not so bad though.
May 03 07:10:13 <ron_frown> I live in the mountains
May 03 07:10:14 <horuden> naw I digg sprint
May 03 07:10:16 <ron_frown> get shit reception
May 03 07:10:26 <ron_frown> glad I got a free verizon phone
May 03 07:10:30 <horuden> And there is a super cute girl that works at my sprint store, always a bonus
May 03 07:10:41 <ron_frown> meh
May 03 07:10:44 <PixelDJ> Hell yeah hot sprint chicks
May 03 07:10:58 <phiberoptik> yeah
May 03 07:11:03 <phiberoptik> usually when i go into sprint store
May 03 07:11:04 <phiberoptik> i go home
May 03 07:11:05 <phiberoptik> and fap fap
May 03 07:11:07 <ron_frown> women are sellign me less and less these days... more that I just know hot women anywhere near men spending money
May 03 07:11:08 <phiberoptik> thinking about her
May 03 07:11:16 <ron_frown> they are tricking you
May 03 07:11:31 <pandora--> i most definitely have had zero hot chicks help me at any sprint store
May 03 07:11:33 <PixelDJ> where I live, there's no AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc. There's Alltel or Sprint, so naturally I'm going with Sprint.
May 03 07:11:45 <ron_frown> go to gym... smoking hot girl in membership... "...you must work out often...", I sign up... she fucking dissapears
May 03 07:11:47 <PixelDJ> you're in the wrong sprint store then
May 03 07:11:48 <pandora--> of which, due to my shit experience, has been many trips to many sprint stores
May 03 07:11:49 <ron_frown> slut
May 03 07:11:59 <ron_frown> =)
May 03 07:12:08 <pandora--> ron_frown: pwnnnddddddd
May 03 07:12:17 <pandora--> that sucks
May 03 07:12:30 <ron_frown> well I married probably the hottest chick I've ever talked to face to face
May 03 07:12:37 <ron_frown> so its all good
May 03 07:12:37 <Woody4u> at my o2 shop there are only old mens :(
May 03 07:12:54 <horuden> Food time, twas nice chattin with y'all
May 03 07:12:57 <horuden> :D
May 03 07:13:35 <Woody4u> but they have no clue
May 03 07:14:06 <Woody4u> it where great if there wahre people in the store who know what they are talking about :D
May 03 07:14:15 <phiberoptik> finally upgrading from my POS
May 03 07:14:19 <phiberoptik> samsung instinct
May 03 07:14:24 <phiberoptik> i went from razr to iphone 3gs
May 03 07:14:27 <phiberoptik> back to samsung instinct
May 03 07:14:33 <phiberoptik> now to palm pixi then hopefully to htco evo 4g
May 03 12:37:38 <swisstomcat> morning
May 03 12:42:51 <noaXess> hey swisstomcat
May 03 12:42:59 <swisstomcat> hey noaXess
May 03 12:43:04 <swisstomcat> what's new?
May 03 12:43:20 <noaXess> for closing a scene i need popScene right? but how to use it in a function.. eg. after a save process?
May 03 12:45:59 <swisstomcat> popscene works ... or the user does a back-gesture
May 03 12:48:44 <noaXess> swisstomcat: but.. how to use it.. how to run popScene..: Mojo.Controller.StageController.popScene(); won't
May 03 12:48:51 <Woody4u> palm prē
May 03 12:50:15 <swisstomcat> noaXess:  Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene(params);
May 03 12:51:26 <swisstomcat> params are passed on to activate function of the revealed scene
May 03 12:59:18 <Woody4u> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0113/
May 03 13:01:49 <swisstomcat> noaXess:   Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene(); works for me too if you don't need to pass parameters
May 03 13:02:45 <noaXess> swisstomcat: without params the scene won't be closed..
May 03 13:03:02 <swisstomcat> do you get errors?
May 03 13:05:31 <noaXess> just a moment
May 03 13:08:23 <noaXess> error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'stageController' of undefined, app/assistants/userdata-assistant.js:151
May 03 13:08:37 <noaXess> now i have this in a save function: 	Mojo.controller.stageController.popScene();
May 03 13:10:09 <noaXess> if i user this; Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene("userdata"); the app goes very slow... something wrong i think
May 03 13:11:38 <noaXess> i think the back gesture and the popScene are not the same...
May 03 13:13:13 <swisstomcat> the result should be the same
May 03 13:13:23 <swisstomcat> old scene popped, back at the scene you were before
May 03 13:17:04 <noaXess> but.. if i use Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene(); the scene close needs long time.. it looks like the app has stopped...
May 03 13:17:17 <noaXess> other way.. if i user just ESC in the emulator, no app stop problem..
May 03 13:17:22 <noaXess> any idea?
May 03 13:17:34 <swisstomcat> strange
May 03 13:17:41 <noaXess> the scene which will be loaded after ESC or Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene("userdata"); is a webview scene
May 03 13:18:06 <noaXess> the webview example from the Palm UIWidgets example
May 03 13:18:22 <swisstomcat> what if you comment out that webview for now?
May 03 13:19:49 <noaXess> swisstomcat: it seams that popScene to another scene is not a problem.. looks like the webview can cause this problem..
May 03 13:20:41 <swisstomcat> i'd post to the palm developer forums to see what others say .. seems strange
May 03 13:23:16 <noaXess> ok..
May 03 13:23:34 <noaXess> other question.. are there stadard icons for eg. maillink, weblink?..
May 03 13:24:24 <swisstomcat> noaXess: or try the ares debugger to see what might go on
May 03 13:25:12 <noaXess> ok..
May 03 13:25:14 <noaXess> laer
May 03 13:25:17 <noaXess> later ^
May 03 13:25:22 <swisstomcat> http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/
May 03 13:25:37 <swisstomcat> need anything from new york, noaXess?
May 03 13:25:51 <ron_frown> hey lady
May 03 13:25:52 <noaXess> a pre plus ;).. for europe.. world edition
May 03 13:26:00 <swisstomcat> haha
May 03 13:26:25 <swisstomcat> maybe i can find a cheap knockoff in chinatown ;)
May 03 13:27:50 <noaXess> hihi
May 03 13:28:36 <swisstomcat> hey haeffb
May 03 13:28:50 <noaXess> i'm wondering how to make localization support easiert, then copie my english help view into resources/fr/views/help and it and es??
May 03 13:28:57 <haeffb_pre> just found a stress crack on my pre at usb port :(
May 03 13:29:07 <haeffb_pre> hi swiss
May 03 13:29:09 <noaXess> hey haeffb_pre
May 03 13:29:17 <haeffb_pre> hi noa
May 03 13:29:19 <swisstomcat> noaXess: http://www.inorbit.ch/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1782&g2_serialNumber=1
May 03 13:29:19 <noaXess> also with strings.json..
May 03 13:30:00 <haeffb_pre> and google broke Myles export :(
May 03 13:30:58 <swisstomcat> oh no
May 03 13:32:25 <swisstomcat> why did google do that .. and without asking you
May 03 13:33:36 <noaXess> is there a way to set the default language strings and views for eg. it/es and fr?
May 03 13:33:55 <noaXess> or do i really need copy my eng strings.json to fr/it and es?
May 03 13:35:12 <ron_frown> well guys if I get stuck on webos... client wants to stick wiht it
May 03 13:35:23 <ron_frown> pdkcontrib should turn out ot be pretty nice
May 03 13:40:33 <haeffb_pre> it's not just my app...i know of at least two others that export csv to google spreadsheet is borked.
May 03 13:42:12 <haeffb_pre> noaXess: don't understand the question. how would you set a default language?
May 03 13:42:31 <noaXess> haeffb_pre: try to explain...
May 03 13:43:21 <noaXess> my default language is english... i want also have german. so i create resources/de/strings.json and /resources/de/views/???-sccene.html for the german translation of the app.. ok?
May 03 13:43:46 <haeffb_pre> yes
May 03 13:44:35 <noaXess> if a user have es/spain anguage enabled.. the app doesn't work cerrectly.. it show string anmes instead fot he string value... right?
May 03 13:45:07 <noaXess> language ^
May 03 13:46:53 <noaXess> so i copied resources/e/strings.json to /resources/es/strings.json and also copied the views of the default language..to resources/es/views/view/???-scene.html
May 03 13:47:05 <noaXess> no i need that also for it and fr..
May 03 13:47:48 <noaXess> on each change of any string or view with english content, i need to copy the files into corresponding resources folder for each language..
May 03 13:48:36 <noaXess> now.. is there a way to setup a default language.. eg. if the device is spain, thatn the app will take resources/en/strings.json?
May 03 13:48:51 <haeffb_pre> if you don't have anything in resources/es it should use the default strings in the app.
May 03 13:49:21 <noaXess> so it shoulw use /resources/en/strings.json?
May 03 13:49:37 <haeffb_pre> if you used $L('my English string')
May 03 13:49:45 <noaXess> yes
May 03 13:49:51 <noaXess> ok.. will test..
May 03 13:49:56 <haeffb_pre> I don't have a resources/en
May 03 13:50:13 <noaXess> haeffb_pre: and where is the strings.json for english?
May 03 13:50:31 <haeffb_pre> I just have the english strings in the $L(...)
May 03 13:50:51 <haeffb_pre> there is no strings.json for english
May 03 13:51:11 <noaXess> but your app is just in english, right?
May 03 13:51:35 <haeffb_pre> no also in german and french
May 03 13:51:47 <noaXess> ???
May 03 13:52:01 <noaXess> then your have resources/de and resources/fr?
May 03 13:52:05 <jbjoerk> Anyone know if I can select icon for my dashboard scene outside of appinfo.json? I have two different scenes and would like different icons for them
May 03 13:52:11 <jbjoerk> (two different dashboard scenes that is)
May 03 13:52:14 <haeffb_pre> resources/de and resources/fr have strings.json
May 03 13:52:33 <noaXess> haeffb_pre: and for the views also in the de or fr folder?
May 03 13:52:48 <noaXess> how does your strings.json for eg. de looks like?
May 03 13:54:01 <haeffb_pre> jbjoerk: yes you can. use html/css to style the dashboard scene.
May 03 13:54:05 <noaXess> haeffb_pre: does one line i your resources/de/strings.json look like: 'my English string' : 'mein deutscher String',??
May 03 13:54:33 <noaXess> so webos replaces 'my English string' with 'mein deutscher String', right?
May 03 13:54:36 <haeffb_pre> "English string": "German string", ...
May 03 13:54:44 <haeffb_pre> right
May 03 13:54:56 <jbjoerk> haeffb_pre, huh? I mean the one that shows when the dashboard is collapsed. (the "pending" one I guess)
May 03 13:54:58 <noaXess> haeffb_pre: so.. no i know how it works.. :)
May 03 13:55:22 <haeffb_pre> jbjoerk: not that I know...
May 03 13:56:09 <jbjoerk> :( ohwell
May 03 13:56:31 <haeffb_pre> but, for instance contacts/email show a spinning sync icon, so it may be possible
May 03 14:02:56 * haeffb_pre considering doing away with google sync & adding an html table export that can be copy/pasted into a spreadsheet
May 03 14:15:44 <noaXess> is that a bug? have changed my localization logic.. before i had a resources/it folder with the views and the strings.json.. now deleted them so it should take default langauge.. but now, in the emulator it shows always the old view localization that was in resources/it/vies/help/help-scene.html
May 03 14:18:25 <noaXess> have now started the pixi emulatior.. and there it works.. on the pre emulator not.. need i complete delete the app.. or reinstall the emulator?
May 03 14:23:00 <haeffb_pre> i'd delete the app from the emu
May 03 14:41:58 <noaXess> haeffb_pre: ok.. anyway.. had to update my sdk.. so reinstall ,)
May 03 16:00:08 <BigBiff> afternoon
May 03 16:07:29 <haeffb_pre> not yet
May 03 16:10:27 <BigBiff> haeffb:  did you get your icons to line up?
May 03 16:18:49 <haeffb_pre> BigBiff... not yet, haven't been working at it tho. Maybe it's solved itself by now.
May 03 16:38:17 <BigBiff> hehe
May 03 16:39:23 <LoneStar99> morning all
May 03 16:43:29 <dpivs> hi lonestar99
May 03 16:49:01 <LoneStar99> hi dpivs
May 03 17:03:17 <LoneStar99> time to revamp my apps
May 03 17:04:35 <oilsworkn> sounds fun?
May 03 17:05:16 <oilsworkn> i tried to rewrite my first app a month or so ago
May 03 17:05:20 <oilsworkn> then more new apps got in the way :/
May 03 17:07:16 <LoneStar99> lol
May 03 17:07:17 <LoneStar99> same here
May 03 17:07:47 <halfhalo_T400> heh
May 03 17:07:47 <LoneStar99> started with one app, now have 4 and each needs a revamp...
May 03 17:07:51 <LoneStar99> lots of fun
May 03 17:07:52 * halfhalo_T400 knows the feeling
May 03 17:09:10 * oilsworkn WILL release new xblfriends...... eventually
May 03 17:09:41 <oilsworkn> and now halo reach beta is going to get in the way of development for a little while :)
May 03 17:10:18 <LoneStar99> lol
May 03 17:10:34 <oilsworkn> of course, assuming its any fun
May 03 17:12:13 * halfhalo_T400 has finals to deal with instead of fun stuff
May 03 17:13:30 <oilsworkn> finals aren't fun?
May 03 17:13:42 <halfhalo_T400> no
May 03 17:14:04 <oilsworkn> that sucks
May 03 17:17:02 <LoneStar99> anyone know the link to the developer app rss feed page?
May 03 17:21:53 * oilsworkn doesnt
May 03 17:22:13 <Rick_work> Roy-Pre101  you around?
May 03 17:22:57 <oilsworkn> hey rick
May 03 17:23:04 <Rick_work> hey oil
May 03 17:23:23 <Rick_work> I have recently been given compliements to pass on to you.
May 03 17:23:27 <oilsworkn> oh
May 03 17:23:47 * oilsworkn always likes that :)
May 03 17:23:56 <Roy-Pre101> Rick_work: Howdy
May 03 17:24:05 <Rick_work> when I was at palm, a couple of the people I met with said that your webos programs were elegant.
May 03 17:24:27 <oilsworkn> thats nice of them
May 03 17:24:29 <Roy-Pre101> Rick_work: Actually, they said 'elephants.'
May 03 17:34:01 * halfhalo_T400 wants class to end for radio shack run
May 03 17:35:07 * haeffb_pre will spend more time looking over oil 's shoulder...
May 03 17:35:25 <dpivs> i thought lemketron was joking when he tweeted that he was going to get more touchstone chargers at radio shack.  crud, i should swing by the shack today too.
May 03 17:35:37 <Roy-Pre101> Mmm, yes, I need to hit my local radio shack for some of those $20 touchstones.
May 03 17:35:57 <halfhalo_T400> yeah, tried to go buy this morning and they didn't open until 9, which was when my class started
May 03 17:36:02 <oilsworkn> haeffb_pre: no need to look over my shoulder, all the code is in the git repo :)
May 03 17:36:15 <halfhalo_T400> I want another touchstone, and some chargers
May 03 17:36:25 * oilsworkn will have to swing by the shack to see if there is a deal on touchstones
May 03 17:37:16 <halfhalo_T400> there is a deal... 20 bucks each
May 03 17:37:32 <dpivs> geez, 20 each.  i'm definitely going to radio shack today.
May 03 17:37:39 <oilsworkn> yeah, but the radioshack here is garbage
May 03 17:38:15 <halfhalo_T400> their garbage EVERYWHERE
May 03 17:38:23 <halfhalo_T400> but still, I want chargers
May 03 17:38:32 <oilsworkn> the one here is extra bad
May 03 17:38:36 <halfhalo_T400> I don't have enough for the touchstones I have now
May 03 17:38:43 <oilsworkn> its like a little hole in the wall
May 03 17:38:46 <oilsworkn> more like a hallway
May 03 17:38:54 <oilsworkn> and thats the store
May 03 17:38:54 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 17:39:01 <halfhalo_T400> hah
May 03 17:39:12 * oilsworkn misses the radioshack of old
May 03 17:40:00 <halfhalo_T400> hah
May 03 17:40:17 <halfhalo_T400> Hmmm, damn priorities keepin me from radio shack...
May 03 17:40:40 * oilsworkn will call before driving to it to see if they have them and the deal
May 03 17:40:55 <oilsworkn> ill be like "so i heard on the internets that you got touchstones for $20?"
May 03 17:41:18 <halfhalo_T400> Its radio shack, they have no internets
May 03 17:43:44 * halfhalo_T400 apparently doesn't have internets either
May 03 17:44:14 <halfhalo_T400> bbiab lab time
May 03 17:52:59 <halfhalo> hehehe
May 03 17:53:14 <halfhalo> Gotta love admin access on campus computers
May 03 17:55:21 <halfhalo> wow, the wellsfargo app totally does not suck
May 03 18:00:03 <LoneStar99> wellsfargo has an app?
May 03 18:00:16 <halfhalo> yeah
May 03 18:01:46 <LoneStar99> when was it released?
May 03 18:01:54 <LoneStar99> today?
May 03 18:02:00 <halfhalo> No, its been a while
May 03 18:02:12 <halfhalo> just actually used it today to move some money around
May 03 18:04:07 <Roy-Pre101> OK, webos101.com needs a new article!  Plenty of widgets, services and what-not undocumented!
May 03 18:04:51 <halfhalo> WTF.  Someone just reccomended real player as a media player on another forum....
May 03 18:05:15 <oilsworkn> what is this, the 90s?
May 03 18:05:55 <halfhalo> http://forum.notebookreview.com/microsoft-windows-7/463908-best-music-software-windows-7-a-post6211738.html#post6211738
May 03 18:07:28 <LoneStar99> lol
May 03 18:08:18 <halfhalo> Thats... not even worth deleting
May 03 18:08:32 <halfhalo> That post needs to be framed
May 03 18:09:04 <halfhalo> Oh, Oh, Oh
May 03 18:09:21 <halfhalo> AND theres spam offering the iPhone 4
May 03 18:10:35 <oilsworkn> only $5,000
May 03 18:15:43 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: is that for spam adverts on iphone?
May 03 18:16:15 <oilsworkn> what?
May 03 18:16:26 * oilsworkn was attempting to make a joke, and apparently failed
May 03 18:17:18 <LoneStar99> the 5k?
May 03 18:49:32 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 03 19:08:41 <LoneStar99> howdy swisstomcat:
May 03 19:08:52 <joetweeply> so anybody has an idea how long it takes for my app to be approved?
May 03 19:08:56 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar .. i'm in denver
May 03 19:10:07 <LoneStar99> nice
May 03 19:10:13 <LoneStar99> you are all over the place
May 03 19:12:28 <LoneStar99> joetweeply: about a week
May 03 19:12:32 <LoneStar99> or less
May 03 19:12:58 <joetweeply> oh really? .. i was hoping it will just take a couple of days
May 03 19:14:33 <joetweeply> well.. then it's waiting time and coding time
May 03 19:24:10 <swisstomcat> might take a bit longer now with organizing the merger
May 03 19:24:22 <swisstomcat> hey catalystmedia
May 03 19:25:18 <catalystmedia> Hey swisstomcat!
May 03 19:25:22 <catalystmedia> How are things going?
May 03 19:25:28 <swisstomcat> i'm in denver
May 03 19:25:31 <swisstomcat> on the way to new york
May 03 19:25:51 <swisstomcat> tweetme has been received well it seems!
May 03 19:26:24 <swisstomcat> very well even
May 03 19:27:58 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: you made tweetme?
May 03 19:28:13 <swisstomcat> no, catalystmedia made it
May 03 19:28:24 <catalystmedia> Wow sounds exciting! :D
May 03 19:28:35 <swisstomcat> i might translate it
May 03 19:28:35 <LoneStar99> http://code.google.com/p/zen-coding/
May 03 19:28:40 <LoneStar99> nice\
May 03 19:28:51 <catalystmedia> Yeah TweetMe has been doing pretty well I think. I still don't know how many downloads I've gotten, but I'm excited to find out!
May 03 19:30:12 <swisstomcat> interesting link, lonestar
May 03 19:30:48 <swisstomcat> try cyrket.com and myappbox.com, catalystmedia
May 03 19:31:22 <swisstomcat> at least 1100 downloads
May 03 19:31:44 <swisstomcat> you should see the download count in the developer portal
May 03 19:34:27 <catalystmedia> thanks swisstomcat. The developer portal says only 110.. I think it may be a bit off :P
May 03 19:35:11 <swisstomcat> yeah, that seems to be off .. although the other sites count every download, not unique downloads .. and you didn't have updates yet?
May 03 19:35:31 <swisstomcat> my app for example has 50k downloads but the dev portal shows 29k
May 03 19:35:39 <swisstomcat> but i had several updates
May 03 19:38:56 <catalystmedia> Nope, updates yet. It's only been out since Friday morning. Hopefully it'll show more unique downloads in the dev portal soon :)
May 03 19:43:51 <LoneStar99> anyone ever use "sprint tv" what the heck is it?
May 03 19:44:35 <halfhalo> its crappy streaming tv
May 03 19:44:55 <halfhalo> that always seems to have the sound and video off by a few seconds
May 03 19:46:08 <LoneStar99> oh that crappy
May 03 19:57:56 <haeffb_pre> portal shows 'settled' downloads
May 03 20:00:21 <haeffb_pre> I.e. ones for which Palm has been paid by CC company.
May 03 20:00:48 <haeffb_pre> & will lag the actual dl count by a few days
May 03 20:01:59 <Templarian> What variable in the webOS browser holds orientation?
May 03 20:03:40 <Templarian> window.orientation on other devices shows up as undefined... sometimes I think palm is just trying to be different. :P
May 03 20:04:13 <LoneStar99> weird just installed wells fargo app, and my palm pre screen turned black
May 03 20:04:19 <LoneStar99> needed to restart
May 03 20:04:24 <LoneStar99> device
May 03 20:05:03 <halfhalo> Its stealing all your monies and selling your kidneys
May 03 20:05:36 <LoneStar99> halfhalo: yeah, selling my soul
May 03 20:32:47 * Templarian is losing more faith in webOS every day :(
May 03 20:33:25 <joetweeply> why Templarian?
May 03 20:33:49 <Templarian> Just noticing how many bugs webOS has and many not getting replies they are fixed.
May 03 20:34:29 <joetweeply> so it's not webos but the development department of palm?
May 03 20:34:48 <Templarian> Yea, they kind of fall short since some things have been broken for a while.
May 03 20:36:02 <dpivs> got my discount on at the shack, w00t.
May 03 20:36:22 <halfhalo> nice
May 03 20:36:31 <halfhalo> gotta go by the bank, subway, then the shack
May 03 20:36:57 <halfhalo> did they have any chargers on sale?
May 03 20:37:39 <dpivs> at the one i went to they didn't have wall chargers, just car ones.
May 03 20:37:50 <halfhalo> damn
May 03 20:38:01 <halfhalo> I need more wall chargers since I already am out
May 03 20:39:40 <dpivs> i got the slide case that looks like a hot pocket, the car charger, and a dock.
May 03 20:40:15 <halfhalo> I need another car charger, just for the usb cord, and maybe a case
May 03 20:42:02 <dpivs> i like how the car charger has a dongle for treos and centros to charge, not that i have one any more.
May 03 20:52:57 <joetweeply> does anybody know if the canvas, when drawn an image, also properly shows animated gifs?
May 03 20:53:38 <oilsworkn> if you have to ask if the canvas can do it, chances are the answer is no
May 03 20:53:42 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 20:54:02 <joetweeply> not tried it out yet... dunno how to create animated gifs
May 03 20:54:08 <oilsworkn> hell, i didn't even think the image stuff worked
May 03 21:02:43 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: i do not see why you can't use an animated gif
May 03 21:04:01 <oilsworkn> LoneStar99: i really dont know one way or the other
May 03 21:04:19 <oilsworkn> one thing i know doesn't work as expected is any of the arc drawing stuff
May 03 21:04:29 <oilsworkn> because of one time i tried to make a pie chart
May 03 21:08:43 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: let me find the link, that shows how to embed an image
May 03 21:09:04 * oilsworkn doesn't need to know xD
May 03 21:10:02 <LoneStar99> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Using_images
May 03 21:10:18 <oilsworkn> right
May 03 21:10:29 <oilsworkn> but a link to a mozilla tutorial means nothing for canvas support on webos
May 03 21:10:50 <oilsworkn> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Drawing_shapes
May 03 21:10:55 <oilsworkn> try to get that arc example to work on webos
May 03 21:10:56 <oilsworkn> it doesnt
May 03 21:13:49 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: have used the tutorials and they do work on webos with a few modifications
May 03 21:19:40 <oilsworkn> id you can get that arc example to work, id love to see what you changed :)
May 03 21:20:05 <oilsworkn> https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/canvas-tutorial/2_4_canvas_arc.html
May 03 21:20:44 <joetweeply> images work fine
May 03 21:20:46 <joetweeply> in canvas
May 03 21:21:15 <joetweeply> animated i'll better check up tomorrow
May 03 21:21:21 <joetweeply> this night i need my sleep
May 03 21:21:34 <oilsworkn> my experience with animated gifs (not on a canvas) wasn't very good
May 03 21:21:54 <oilsworkn> when some of the themes had them as screenshots of the boot animation in preware
May 03 21:21:58 <oilsworkn> it would cause the whole app to slow down
May 03 21:22:03 <oilsworkn> just to display the image
May 03 21:23:12 <oilsworkn> though im not ruling out that it could have been my code screwing it up
May 03 21:31:07 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: i am sure the animated gif has no effect on preformance, unless it is an extremely large gif
May 03 21:31:35 <oilsworkn> well they were full-screen size
May 03 21:31:42 <oilsworkn> they were screenshots
May 03 21:37:53 <halfhalo> dammitall
May 03 21:38:10 <halfhalo> Didn't get more chargers
May 03 21:38:23 <halfhalo> in fact, ended up with ANOTHER touchstone
May 03 21:38:26 <halfhalo> which I can;t use
May 03 21:38:27 <oilsworkn> shackfail?
May 03 21:38:49 <halfhalo> They didn't have any, but picked up a bb case for my dad
May 03 21:39:13 <halfhalo> So now I have three worthless touchstones
May 03 21:39:27 * oilsworkn takes touchstone donations
May 03 21:39:29 <oilsworkn> :)
May 03 21:40:30 <halfhalo> Psh, no
May 03 21:40:39 <halfhalo> but I will give out my touchstone back to someone
May 03 21:41:07 * halfhalo doubts this will happen.  Except for the one other pre user he knows at CSUN who does not have one
May 03 21:41:22 <halfhalo> I DID grab two car chargers
May 03 21:41:26 <halfhalo> now I have four
May 03 21:41:35 <halfhalo> from the two I bought at devdays
May 03 21:41:41 <LoneStar99> halfhalo: how much where the touchstones?
May 03 21:41:54 <halfhalo> the touchstone by itself? 20
May 03 21:41:59 <halfhalo> with the back? also 20
May 03 21:42:06 <LoneStar99> not bad
May 03 21:42:09 <halfhalo> nope
May 03 21:42:28 <halfhalo> got my second for 30 from palm
May 03 21:42:41 <rwhitby> I need a couple of touchstone backs if anyone has some spare
May 03 21:42:58 <halfhalo> Sure, have mine
May 03 21:43:08 * halfhalo digitizes it and sends it
May 03 21:43:21 <rwhitby> halfhalo: I'll be happy to pay postage plus a tip
May 03 21:43:39 * oilsworkn has all the backs he needs, just needs one more stone :)
May 03 21:44:07 <halfhalo> Just postage is fine, but I won't be able to ship it until friday anyways due to finals/studying
May 03 21:45:17 <oilsworkn> wait, what just happened there?
May 03 21:45:25 <oilsworkn> did rwhitby just swoop in and get the touchstone?
May 03 21:45:31 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 21:45:39 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: not the stone, just the backs
May 03 21:45:58 <rwhitby> I already got 5 stones
May 03 21:46:01 <oilsworkn> oh
May 03 21:46:05 <oilsworkn> jeez
May 03 21:46:42 <zsoc> my friend just mounted one in his car today. its nice
May 03 21:47:02 * oilsworkn has been thinking about doing that
May 03 21:47:27 <rwhitby> yeah, I have one in the car, two at home and two at work
May 03 21:47:40 <oilsworkn> i have one
May 03 21:47:45 <oilsworkn> on my nightstand
May 03 21:49:04 <halfhalo> I have two on my bookshelf next to my bed that doubles as a nightstand, two sitting disconnected on my desk, and one just out of the box
May 03 21:49:08 <oilsworkn> though the dev pre is great for charging the spare
May 03 21:49:16 <oilsworkn> i've swapped em a few times
May 03 21:50:01 <halfhalo> I got the palm-battery charger hooked to the desktop to charge the spare batt
May 03 21:51:04 <oilsworkn> fancy schmancy
May 03 21:51:11 <halfhalo> brb
May 03 21:53:08 <rwhitby> Is http://twitter.com/palm/status/13314623650 the first time @palm has mentioned overclocking?
May 03 21:58:26 <catalystmedia> Does anyone have a link to a good guide on dynamic lists on webOS? My list performance is slow on lists over 25 items :S
May 03 23:01:28 * haeffb rolled an ankle playing bball...soaking it in a tub of ice water.
May 03 23:03:39 <oilsworkn> thats what you get for going outside!
May 03 23:05:23 <haeffb> you are correct, sir.
May 03 23:05:35 <catalystmedia_> Does anyone have a link to a good guide on dynamic lists on webOS? My list performance is slow on lists over 25 items :S
May 03 23:06:36 <haeffb> nope
May 03 23:06:58 <haeffb> but my foot is cold.
May 03 23:12:50 <catalystmedia_> I'm sorry haeffb :(
May 03 23:25:21 <haeffb> catalystmedia_ One thing I don't like about tweetme: the backswipe taking me to the "icon menu" when I'm at the main list.
May 03 23:25:46 <catalystmedia_> haeffb: Yeah that's a tough one. I've had some say they love it, others say they hate it :S I
May 03 23:25:51 <haeffb> that backswipe is SUPPOSED to minimize the app. That's what it does on every other app.
May 03 23:26:27 <catalystmedia_> I'll probably have to add a preference. Oh and if you backswipe once more it minimizes TweetMe... I'm working on ideas and gathering feedback. It's tricky one!
May 03 23:27:35 <haeffb> it wouldn't be so bad if I could get rid of the menu. & looks like the second backswipe does that...
May 03 23:29:02 <haeffb> but still, count me among the "annoyed" group
May 03 23:29:18 <haeffb> overall, though, the app is gorgeous.
May 03 23:36:18 <catalystmedia_> Thanks haeffb :) I'll definitely look at ways to get it working so everyone can be happy. A preference might do the trick, but I'll try some stuff out. Thanks for suggesting it :)
May 04 00:08:06 <Tibfib> what theme should I do for my site?
May 04 00:08:08 <Tibfib> http://www.elegantthemes.com/gallery/
May 04 00:12:21 * haeffb may switch from joomla to wordpress...
May 04 00:20:04 <Tibfib> this guy is a beast at wordpress themes
May 04 00:34:47 <haeffb_pre> dog brought home a baby owl...
May 04 00:50:25 <haeffb> wife is trying to save said baby owl.
May 04 00:54:13 <Tibfib> dinner is dinner
May 04 00:57:05 <dawm_> lame..
May 04 00:57:38 <dawm_> if you use the Report->Bug for an app in the app catalog, it just posts it as a review with no stars
May 04 01:23:18 <phiberoptik> palm pixi has no visual voicemail
May 04 01:23:22 <phiberoptik> WTF?!?!
May 04 01:26:51 <halfhalo> neither does the pre on sprint… or on verizon...
May 04 01:32:07 <phiberoptik> yeah
May 04 01:32:09 <phiberoptik> kinda sucks
May 04 01:32:12 <phiberoptik> my samsung instinct had it
May 04 01:32:13 <phiberoptik> so nice
May 04 01:32:29 <halfhalo> My Voyager had it as well
May 04 01:32:44 <halfhalo> I think 02 has an app for it, and there is always google voice
May 04 01:34:59 <phiberoptik> true
May 04 01:50:51 <Tibfib> If i used my phone for making calls, I'd be annoyed at the lack of visual voicemail
May 04 01:51:41 <LoneStar99> what is visual voicemail?
May 04 01:52:31 <Tibfib> basically, you can play/pause rewind each voicemail... pick which one to listen to, etc
May 04 01:53:09 <haeffb> isn't there a visual voicemail app?
May 04 01:53:25 <LoneStar99> oh ok
May 04 01:53:39 <Tibfib> not sprint maid
May 04 01:53:44 <Tibfib> made* heh
May 04 01:53:51 <LoneStar99> k
May 04 01:54:04 <haeffb> http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.gosyntactix.paid.youview/
May 04 01:56:08 <BigBiff_> i was gonna ask if anyone knew a trick for vert aligning floated divs in a row but.....
May 04 01:56:32 <BigBiff_> then i see the visual voicemail pic - and those arent centered either
May 04 01:56:41 <BigBiff_> hehe, i'm not alone in my ignorance
May 04 01:56:59 <BigBiff_> ignorance is a strong word
May 04 01:57:21 <BigBiff_> they probably werent ignorant, just didnt mind
May 04 02:17:28 * Tibfib got no coding done tonight... on the other hand, his website is looking shiny
May 04 02:20:19 <Tibfib> got no coding... *sigh*
May 04 02:53:16 <LoneStar99> interesting picture of the now gone oil platform http://uoid.me/spill1
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