**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 08 02:59:56 2010
May 08 03:00:31 <Roy-Pre101> Ah holy crap, now I see.
May 08 03:00:43 <JenP> You do?
May 08 03:02:44 <Roy-Pre101> Yes.
May 08 03:02:55 <Roy-Pre101> I was thinking a function took an element ID and instead it took an element class.
May 08 03:59:53 <Roy-Pre101> Well, that part works reasonably well.
May 08 04:00:03 <Roy-Pre101> Will need more work to make it really pretty, but I can live with what I have.
May 08 04:08:40 <LoneStar99> ok,
May 08 04:45:30 <Tibfib> nice... got everything hashed/encoded in my app!
May 08 05:08:59 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, float: right inside a vertical scroller = bad.  I'm sure I'm just Doing It Wrong
May 08 05:11:15 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101:  was gonna roll out a new update today, with the draggable stuff, but ended up drinking wine with some folks
May 08 05:11:32 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: that sounds so much better.
May 08 05:12:29 <LoneStar99> well it was not thatbad
May 08 05:14:05 <LoneStar99> need to update my app with a 1 rating
May 08 05:14:30 <Roy-Pre101> shooting for 1.5?
May 08 05:14:55 <Roy-Pre101> Which app got the 1 star?
May 08 05:16:30 <Roy-Pre101> Dang, it's almost like I know what I'm doing with CSS.  Lookout for the big crash soon.
May 08 05:16:46 <Roy-Pre101> jhojho: evening
May 08 05:17:01 <halfhalo> hmmm
May 08 05:17:09 <halfhalo> I think I like the Pentac K-7
May 08 05:17:29 <halfhalo> Pentax*
May 08 05:17:29 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101:  not sure 1.5 would be good
May 08 05:18:47 <Roy-Pre101> zowie.  This is just evil.  Maybe I need to put this thing into a scroller.
May 08 05:19:47 <Roy-Pre101> Blarg, OK, I knew CSS was going to get the better of me.
May 08 05:19:56 <halfhalo> hah
May 08 05:21:02 <LoneStar99> what the PDK do better than the regular API can't do other than games?
May 08 05:21:10 <LoneStar99> what can the
May 08 05:21:20 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: How much wine was it, anyhow?
May 08 05:21:21 <Roy-Pre101> :)
May 08 05:21:43 <Roy-Pre101> OK, this seems like something easy for CSS.
May 08 05:22:09 <LoneStar99> decent amount, but nobig deal
May 08 05:22:28 <Roy-Pre101> Want a box, full width of screen, 53px tall.  Want text to cover all but the rightmost 82px
May 08 05:22:56 <Roy-Pre101> In the last 82px I want two images.
May 08 05:23:01 <Roy-Pre101> Side by side.
May 08 05:23:12 <Roy-Pre101> I got the images where I want them with float: right;
May 08 05:23:25 <Roy-Pre101> But the text just pushes them away (and breaks my scroller, too)
May 08 05:24:25 <Roy-Pre101> I could, obviously, tell the text div that it's 320-82px wide.  I was -hoping- that I wouldn't have to specify the width.
May 08 05:24:29 <LoneStar99> interested in PDK it can make some brilliant stuff
May 08 05:24:38 <LoneStar99> it = if
May 08 05:27:45 <LoneStar99> i am done web programming unless it deals with mobile apps, mobile apps is where it is all going
May 08 05:30:27 <LoneStar99> do shell scripts work on the PDK?
May 08 05:36:36 <LoneStar99> gnight folks
May 08 05:37:17 <LoneStar99> time to watch low IQ shows on the tube
May 08 05:43:42 <LoneStar99> back in the day TV was for intellectuals, until they noticed they can make more money making TV low IQ so the mass market could catch on. If you want to learn read a book, if you want to think you know watch TV.   GN all
May 08 12:06:47 <haeffb> Happy Saturday, #webos
May 08 13:07:38 <haeffb> "When using a service request object, you are responsible for managing the object and destroying it when it is no longer needed."
May 08 13:10:35 <LoneStar99> moring all
May 08 13:11:06 <haeffb> well, tie me to the dock
May 08 13:24:47 <LoneStar99> haeffb: you up early
May 08 13:24:59 <LoneStar99> still writing the property stuff?
May 08 13:25:21 <haeffb> sitting in a conference
May 08 13:25:35 <LoneStar99> wow, on a saturday?
May 08 13:25:45 <haeffb> surveyors are funny people...
May 08 13:25:49 <LoneStar99> k
May 08 13:25:58 <LoneStar99> sound like a good time
May 08 13:26:18 <haeffb> oh, that it is. learning the difference between mistakes and errors right now.
May 08 13:26:49 <LoneStar99> wow, there is a difference....
May 08 13:27:28 <haeffb> mistakes vs errors in measurements
May 08 13:28:03 <LoneStar99> oh ok
May 08 13:36:17 <LoneStar99> haeffb: onclick of a div need to display a border and on mouseout remove it - what do you recommend?
May 08 13:36:41 <LoneStar99> can that be done with css alone or would i need javascript?
May 08 13:37:51 <haeffb> I'm no CSS expert, but I think js is required...
May 08 13:38:12 <LoneStar99> yeah, that is what i am thinking
May 08 13:39:04 <LoneStar99> did not know a person can receive messages from youtube, here comes youtube spam
May 08 13:44:24 <haeffb> now precision vs accuracy
May 08 13:47:47 <haeffb> precision relates to repeatibilty of a measurement & accuracy relates to the closeness of a measurement to the "truth"
May 08 13:54:07 <haeffb> "When using a service request object, you are responsible for managing the object and destroying it when it is no longer needed."
May 08 13:54:13 <haeffb> how do I destroy it?
May 08 14:55:05 <LoneStar99> sorry was eating breakfast
May 08 14:55:29 <LoneStar99> haeffb: where did u read about destroying a request object
May 08 15:09:09 <haeffb> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1649&Itemid=20
May 08 15:09:28 <haeffb> I'm doing a this.request = new Mojo.Service.Request in appAssistant
May 08 15:09:54 <haeffb> & appAssist.deactivate() { delete this.request; }
May 08 15:10:22 <haeffb> which I'm not sure is necessary, because the object will be GC'd anyway, I think.
May 08 15:10:34 <haeffb> but I'm a novice at all this stuff.
May 08 15:11:46 <LoneStar99> is this for an ajax call?
May 08 15:12:12 <haeffb> no, Connection Manager to see if I have an internet/wifi connection for syncing
May 08 15:12:28 <haeffb> I think it's all working now. App is getting pretty solid.
May 08 15:12:59 <LoneStar99> which app is this?
May 08 15:14:09 <LoneStar99> you know of any issues between palm pre and palm pre plus?  like apps not being compatible on one or the other?
May 08 15:16:43 <haeffb> Done! for Toodledo
May 08 15:17:16 <haeffb> I've had issues with database creation failing on new Verizon Pre Plusses - until the user updates webOS.
May 08 15:18:29 <LoneStar99> oh ok, will tell user to update WebOS
May 08 15:18:58 <LoneStar99> got an email regarding my app stops working after 2 minutes on a pre plus
May 08 15:34:23 <LoneStar99> has toodledo been released?
May 08 16:15:57 <haeffb> toodledo is a web service. Done is my app that syncs with toodledo
May 08 17:17:53 <ddluk> Hi all, I've got small question. When I download image using com.palm.downloadmanager image is not displayed on the photo list when I open photo application. Do you know how to do that?
May 08 17:52:03 <sugardave> ddluk: they might appear after a Luna/phone restart
May 08 17:53:10 <catalystmedia> Does anyone have some good resources for speeding up lists? I implemented dynamic lists and it was as slow or slower :S
May 08 17:53:16 <ddluk> sugardave: I can't told people to restart phone :P
May 08 17:53:33 <sugardave> ddluk: I feel your pain
May 08 17:57:30 <ddluk> sugardave: I found the solution http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=9668#p9668 but I doesn't work to me, maybe I do something wrong
May 08 18:01:18 <sugardave> ddluk: I haven't messed with images since the 1st SDK.....did you make sure you specified the targetfilename both times?
May 08 18:03:14 <ddluk> sugardave: hmmm no, how can I do that?
May 08 18:03:42 <sugardave> ddluk: not certain, but I'm guessing it is a parameter/property of the request
May 08 18:04:38 <sugardave> one of the posts in that thread mentions it doesn't work unless he specified 'targetfilename' both times he made the request
May 08 18:08:23 <ddluk> hmmm I will try to do that
May 08 18:28:05 <halfhalo> I hate this video camera
May 08 18:28:18 <haeffb> I hate black olives
May 08 18:28:23 <halfhalo> same
May 08 18:28:32 <halfhalo> Stupid JVC doesn't work with mac
May 08 18:28:48 <halfhalo> Which means that no-one else besides me can edit videos from it
May 08 18:28:52 <haeffb> stupid mac doesn't work with JVC
May 08 18:29:16 <halfhalo> Well, considering it crashed my desktop as well, I'm blaming the camera
May 08 18:29:34 <halfhalo> I can play one video in WMP before the codec springs a memory leak and it all stops
May 08 18:31:03 <halfhalo> oh fuck it
May 08 18:31:16 <halfhalo> ill convert it on the desktop then send it over the network
May 08 18:59:08 <haeffb> Roy-Pre101: ping
May 08 18:59:43 <haeffb> oops, gotta run.
May 08 19:10:45 <Destos> hey anyone know how to get the attribute of a tag from a domParsed rss feed? I need to output it in a list item view and I'm not sure how to select it from the entry object
May 08 20:02:43 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb_pre: ping
May 08 20:03:28 <haeffb_pre> how do I add to the services page?
May 08 20:21:53 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb_pre: What do you mean?
May 08 20:22:51 <haeffb_pre> services page has a number of them, alphabetically. can I add Alarms?
May 08 20:33:24 <Roy-Pre101> Sure
May 08 20:33:33 <Roy-Pre101> Why not?
May 08 20:34:43 <haeffb_pre> couldn't see how to add a service...
May 08 20:35:52 <Roy-Pre101> Oh...
May 08 20:35:59 <Roy-Pre101> Are you talking about the category page?
May 08 20:36:07 <phiberoptik> man palm pixi has been sweet so far
May 08 20:36:10 <phiberoptik> used it for about a week now
May 08 20:36:16 <Roy-Pre101> Start here:  http://webos101.com/Overview:_Services
May 08 20:36:17 <phiberoptik> got it free with 2-year contract
May 08 20:36:30 <Roy-Pre101> Click on Alarms.
May 08 20:36:44 <phiberoptik> Roy-Pre101, develop me an XBMC app
May 08 20:36:54 <Roy-Pre101> At the bottom of the new page add [[Category:Services]]
May 08 20:37:04 <Roy-Pre101> phiberoptik: I'll get right on that.
May 08 20:37:16 <Roy-Pre101> That the media center thing?
May 08 20:37:20 <haeffb_pre> ok
May 08 20:39:02 <phiberoptik> i'll pay u $100 an hr
May 08 20:39:03 <phiberoptik> max 8 hrs
May 08 20:40:11 <zsoc> I'm not so certain it's possible.
May 08 20:40:25 <zsoc> I guess that depends on your definition of "XBMC app"
May 08 20:41:02 <haeffb_pre> "one titled XMBC app"
May 08 20:41:24 <phiberoptik> just a simple one
May 08 20:41:34 <phiberoptik> that connects to webui
May 08 20:41:41 <phiberoptik> can't do lan cause no wifi
May 08 20:42:35 <zsoc> I know it's GPL, but i'm not familiar with an XMBC spec, maybe I never looked hard enough
May 08 20:42:46 <zsoc> er, xbmc
May 08 20:43:37 <zsoc> yeah it's possible
May 08 20:43:48 <zsoc> looks like it would require a /very/ custom service/plugin
May 08 20:43:51 <zsoc> 8 hours is pushing it
May 08 20:43:58 * zsoc wonders if Roy knows C
May 08 20:44:04 <phiberoptik> some guy wrote one for android
May 08 20:44:05 <phiberoptik> in 4 hrs
May 08 20:44:08 <phiberoptik> the other 2 hrs for iphone
May 08 20:44:14 <phiberoptik> doable
May 08 20:44:37 <haeffb_pre> sounds like hiring that guy would be a better option
May 08 20:44:44 <zsoc> oh
May 08 20:44:46 <zsoc> wait
May 08 20:44:51 <zsoc> you can use httpapi
May 08 20:44:58 <haeffb_pre> not that Roy doesn't have skillz
May 08 20:45:06 <zsoc> and the webos app doesn't even need a service
May 08 20:45:19 <zsoc> phiberoptik: i assume you already have webui stuff running on a HTPC?
May 08 20:45:31 <phiberoptik> yeah
May 08 20:45:50 <phiberoptik> its no big deal
May 08 20:46:01 <phiberoptik> i'm going to sell this palm pixi and upgrade to the htc evo 4g
May 08 20:46:05 <phiberoptik> when it comes out this summer
May 08 20:46:15 <phiberoptik> dont want to waste time developing one and then not ever use it again
May 08 20:46:16 <phiberoptik> ha
May 08 20:46:48 <zsoc> why waste time when you can waste money, that's what i always say
May 08 20:47:02 <phiberoptik> true
May 08 20:47:49 * haeffb_pre prefers wasting both...
May 08 20:48:24 <haeffb_pre> preferably in the form of drinking expensive beer
May 08 20:48:50 <Destos> quick q from a newb: how does one view the Mojo.Log output in the inspector? for some reason Its not outputting anything, I have mojo debugging on in eclipse
May 08 20:48:52 * zsoc notes that isn't a waste of either
May 08 20:49:35 <haeffb_pre> destos: you dont
May 08 20:50:16 <haeffb_pre> you use palm-log in a command prompt to view log output
May 08 20:50:53 <haeffb_pre> palm-log -d tcp -f com.my.app
May 08 20:50:54 <sugardave> or you do it the old way and ssh into the emu and 'tail -f /var/log/messages'
May 08 20:51:44 <Destos> alright thanks I'll see if I can get it working
May 08 20:53:37 <Destos> thanks that appears to have done the trick :)
May 08 21:03:59 <Destos> would DOMParser take out a tag like <media:thumbnail url="urlhere" /> ?
May 08 21:28:23 <Roy-Pre101> heh:  http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html
May 08 21:33:29 <LoneStar99> hello
May 08 21:33:53 <MetaView> hi
May 08 21:34:11 <MetaView> anyone has some knowledge with getEvent and externalId?
May 08 21:43:57 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: Can't say I do...  What's it do?
May 08 21:48:47 <MetaView> I create events in the calendar and can't get them back
May 08 21:49:06 <MetaView> getEvent says the id is invalid
May 08 21:49:50 <MetaView> I would like to see a working example with externalId
May 08 22:51:38 <phiberoptik> PALM PIXI
May 08 22:51:39 <phiberoptik> 4 lyfe
May 08 22:56:38 <joetweeply> you got one phiberoptik?
May 08 23:02:08 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, can you turn off a scroller?
May 08 23:10:18 <phiberoptik> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/3732575390_c65f7bcea0_o.jpg
May 08 23:18:10 <Roy-Pre101> pfft.  SnapIndex isn't documented.
May 08 23:28:23 <Templarian1> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/08/webos-based-hp-hurricane-tablet-rumored-for-q3/ <- :-/
May 08 23:30:19 <Tibfib> awwwwwwww.... does the inspector not work with multi-stage apps?
May 08 23:32:04 <warpdesign> Templarian1: nice !
May 08 23:32:12 <warpdesign> hope this will be confirmed
May 08 23:32:20 <sugardave> Tibfib: no, it doesn't
May 08 23:32:41 <Tibfib> sugardave: lame suace.
May 08 23:32:53 <Tibfib> sauce*
May 08 23:33:05 <warpdesign> talking about the inspector: it seems that running a new app forces it to be run again: is there a way to fix this ?
May 08 23:33:16 <Tibfib> Palm: That is dumb. Please fix this. Your friend, Tibfib
May 08 23:33:21 <Templarian1> warpdesign: this is not a good thing. webOS GUI and SDK and tools are in no way setup for large resolutions yet.
May 08 23:33:37 <Tibfib> Templarian1: it's not happening
May 08 23:34:01 <Tibfib> not that fast
May 08 23:34:04 <Templarian1> If it does it could pose the worst business decision ever made by a company.
May 08 23:34:09 <warpdesign> Templarian1: well, gui seems to be sacalable already.. technically at least.. user interface experience is another thing
May 08 23:34:31 <Templarian1> warpdesign: Yes lets expand a 40px button across 1000 pixels.
May 08 23:34:44 <Templarian1> hehe.
May 08 23:34:49 <warpdesign> just try forcing a resolution on virtualbox: most interface elements already extend correctly..
May 08 23:35:53 <warpdesign> well: the ipad interface is pretty much iphone's one untouched: why do you think this would be different for webos ?
May 08 23:36:19 <Templarian1> warpdesign: no one uses the iPhone apps on the iPad they are horrible.
May 08 23:36:36 <warpdesign> I'm not talking about the apps
May 08 23:36:41 <warpdesign> I'm talking about the OS
May 08 23:37:32 <Templarian1> Palm is small and spent a long time planning for this and were already on their 3rd Gen device. Palm is still on 1.5 and still a pretty buggy platform to be expanding.
May 08 23:37:54 <Templarian1> and "apple"****
May 08 23:38:16 <warpdesign> on "1.5" ?
May 08 23:41:31 <Templarian1> "Palm Pre Plus"
May 08 23:42:03 <warpdesign> ah, right
May 08 23:42:10 <warpdesign> well, hp could boost it
May 08 23:42:16 <warpdesign> anyway, time will tell..
May 08 23:45:04 <warpdesign> n8
May 09 00:16:58 <Kyusaku> I'm looking for some noobish help involving Mojo.model.encrypt and decrypt, and pulling strings from text fields.
May 09 01:30:58 <Roy-Pre101> Kyusaku: When you figure it out be sure to document it on webos101.com.  There's nothing there on those.
May 09 01:31:59 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign_: Theoretically, you can right click in inspector and choose reconnect (or something like thaT)
May 09 01:33:22 <Kyusaku> Roy-Pre101: haha ok, I figured it out. It's pretty basic. I'm doing a simple app for a class project.
May 09 01:33:34 <Roy-Pre101> thanks!
May 09 01:33:37 <Roy-Pre101> Glad you got it
May 09 01:37:35 <JenP> hi all
May 09 01:38:22 <oil> hi
May 09 01:38:51 <JenP> hi oil
May 09 01:39:52 <Kyusaku> Does anyone know how to change an app's properties in Ares? instead of tossing me a com.mycompany thing?
May 09 01:40:17 <JenP> not me...i don't play in Ares
May 09 01:40:20 <haeffb> hi jenp
May 09 01:40:27 <JenP> haeffb! hi
May 09 01:40:59 <JenP> haeffb: whatcha working on?
May 09 01:43:01 * oil wishes dialog styles would see an update
May 09 01:43:34 <Roy-Pre101> Kyusaku: double-click on the appinfo.json
May 09 01:43:39 <oil> i never want to use them because they're crazy in palm-dark
May 09 01:43:43 <Roy-Pre101> I don't know another way.
May 09 01:45:49 <Kyusaku> Thanks Roy-Pre101!
May 09 02:26:54 <haeffb> JenP: finishing Done
May 09 02:27:06 <JenP> awesome haeffb!
May 09 02:27:20 <haeffb> well, not finishing, but preparing to submit
May 09 02:28:01 <haeffb> here's the icon....but with a beta banner on it. http://uploads.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/done-toodledo
May 09 02:28:23 * rwhitby begins thinking about http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet
May 09 02:28:50 <JenP> haeffb it looks great!
May 09 02:28:57 <JenP> perfect match for the app
May 09 02:29:36 <JenP> rwhitby: wow!
May 09 02:30:07 <haeffb> yeah, I like it.
May 09 02:30:32 <JenP> haeffb: yeah so do i
May 09 02:30:34 <haeffb> rwhitby: sounds awesome. Or world-ending. Either way, it'll be something!
May 09 02:31:11 <rwhitby> haeffb: going to add save/restore support for that?
May 09 02:45:33 * oil lols @ "root required" option in precentrals gallery
May 09 02:47:24 <haeffb> rwhitby: probably not necessary. Data is synced to web.
May 09 02:47:42 <haeffb> Only user settings would be restored & there's not that much there...
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 09 02:59:56 2010