**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 14 02:59:56 2010
May 14 03:00:52 <Tibfib> lavalamps run on magic...silly
May 14 03:01:03 <LoneStar99> lol
May 14 03:01:06 <Roy-Pre101> Tibfib: Hippy gas!
May 14 03:01:43 <LoneStar99> have one infront of me, some really cool shit
May 14 03:06:22 <LoneStar99> need to figure a way to display randomness as a lavalamp any ideas?
May 14 03:09:07 <LoneStar99> sun microsystem engineers calculated an encryption based on the randomness of 6 or lavalamps next to each other about 10 years ago, can't seem to find any info on that anymore...
May 14 03:40:22 <Tibfib> what's wrong with this code? it has to do with the cookie. First launch of app hangs... next launch works but doesn't push tutorial
May 14 03:40:29 <Tibfib> http://webos.pastebin.com/q632T6pV
May 14 03:41:14 <Tibfib> I get this error: Uncaught Error: require Failed: unbalanced call to PerfTimer pause/resume 'scene#assistantSetup', palmInitFramework338:10583
May 14 03:42:29 <Tibfib> is there a limit to how many cookies you can have?
May 14 03:42:31 <JenP> Tibfib does it work if you remove the 0 from push
May 14 03:43:13 <Tibfib> nope, that works from other parts of the scene assistant
May 14 03:43:56 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: does your app use alot of cookies?
May 14 03:44:22 <Tibfib> that one posted will be the 5th
May 14 03:46:13 <Tibfib> fine... I'll just move it to another cookie.
May 14 03:47:05 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: sugardave built a cookie system that is totally scalable, and works great
May 14 03:47:20 <Tibfib> oh really?
May 14 03:47:24 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 14 03:48:57 <LoneStar99> my apps use it
May 14 03:48:58 <LoneStar99> http://www.webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie
May 14 03:49:01 <JenP> has anyone seen a command menu/submenu with icons in it?
May 14 03:49:30 <LoneStar99> never again, do i need to add another cookie, simply add to the existing cookie
May 14 03:50:16 <LoneStar99> or remove from the existing cookie
May 14 03:51:12 <Tibfib> JenP: yes
May 14 03:51:12 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: "A Cookie Bakery Example"
May 14 03:51:53 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: thanks for the link
May 14 03:52:00 <LoneStar99> that is what you want to look at, only issue is that you will have to recode the cookie stuff
May 14 03:52:47 <LoneStar99> it is well worth it b/c the cookie is reusable
May 14 03:52:55 <Tibfib> sugardave: thanks for code
May 14 03:53:19 <LoneStar99> thanks sugardave!
May 14 03:53:57 <Tibfib> I need to redo some cookie stuff for my chat app anyway
May 14 03:55:19 <LoneStar99> right on
May 14 03:56:34 * Tibfib isn't going to update countdown for a while... going to go pdk with it for practice
May 14 04:04:19 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: have you began to use the PDK?
May 14 04:04:43 <Tibfib> nope... just have _basic_ c++ knowledge
May 14 04:04:53 <Tibfib> countdown is simple enough. should be okay.
May 14 04:06:00 <LoneStar99> have no clue how the PDK works, but seems cool, need to think of an app that would need that type of power
May 14 04:06:58 <LoneStar99> perhaps the drawing of naturally moving objects, moving according to alot of factors...
May 14 04:08:34 <LoneStar99> before anything need to rollout major updates to my apps
May 14 04:10:21 <Tibfib> ah... it is late. goodnight all. thanks for your help.
May 14 04:31:53 <Templarian> Since I got all the bugs filed with palm figured I would go ahead and start building my new site for mobile devices. http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7061/mobilet.png
May 14 04:37:05 <LoneStar99> nice
May 14 04:37:26 <LoneStar99> looks very black and white
May 14 04:37:41 <LoneStar99> looks like art
May 14 04:38:03 <LoneStar99> nice design
May 14 04:38:44 <Templarian> LoneStar99: it's blue... calibrate your monitor. lol.
May 14 04:39:14 <LoneStar99> Templarian: lol
May 14 04:40:10 <LoneStar99> always have my screen dim
May 14 04:40:37 <Templarian> Well on mobile devices it looks like blue hehe.
May 14 04:40:53 <Templarian> (especially on AMOLED)
May 14 04:42:22 <LoneStar99> led is the shit]
May 14 06:17:26 <swisstomcat> morning
May 14 06:48:40 <warpdesign> morning
May 14 07:18:27 <swisstomcat> morning warpdesign
May 14 07:21:35 <warpdesign> how are you ?
May 14 07:33:55 <JenP> hi guys
May 14 07:34:40 <swisstomcat> hi jenp
May 14 07:34:52 <JenP> how are you
May 14 07:35:52 <JenP> swisstomcat: do you have any experience with sql?
May 14 07:37:01 <swisstomcat> yes, a bit
May 14 07:37:35 <JenP> do you have any idea  why this wouldn't work? http://pastebin.com/DpGFukDh
May 14 07:38:38 <swisstomcat> where does it fail?
May 14 07:38:58 <JenP> well i no longer get an error message and i do get the delete sucess message
May 14 07:39:17 <JenP> but if i reload the app all the data I thought I deleted is still there
May 14 07:39:34 <warpdesign> is it possible to have a label for a toggle button, much like selectors....
May 14 07:39:44 <warpdesign> like.. "Sound .................... ON|OFF"
May 14 07:39:53 <JenP> yeah i do that
May 14 07:39:59 <warpdesign> how do you do that ?
May 14 07:40:06 <JenP> one sec let me look
May 14 07:41:17 <JenP> in your attributes give a trueLabel & falseLabel
May 14 07:43:16 <warpdesign> well, that's what I have
May 14 07:43:29 <warpdesign> what I'm asking is how adding the "Sound" (in my example) label
May 14 07:43:53 <warpdesign> Right now I only have ".................... ON|OFF", not really intuitive ;)
May 14 07:44:14 <JenP> put it in a table
May 14 07:44:17 <warpdesign> in the ui widgets demo they have a label hardcoded in a table cell
May 14 07:44:25 <JenP> your label in col1...toggle in 2
May 14 07:44:32 <JenP> it works
May 14 07:44:34 <warpdesign> but I'd like to avoid adding that.. I'd like to have something like the selector list
May 14 07:45:03 <JenP> Sorry cant help there
May 14 07:45:04 <warpdesign> of course, but I want the label tap to toggle the toggle button (just like taping the label of a selectorList will show the selector list...)
May 14 07:45:32 <swisstomcat> let me look how i did it
May 14 07:47:09 <swisstomcat> warpdesign: http://pastie.org/959958
May 14 07:47:40 <JenP> that's how i did it too
May 14 07:47:46 <warpdesign> ok, thanks
May 14 07:47:48 <JenP> swisstomcat: any ideas on that sql?
May 14 07:48:02 <warpdesign> but I'll have to style my own label to reflect the selector's label styling..
May 14 07:48:14 <warpdesign> plus in semantic, a table shouldn't be used there... sigh..
May 14 07:48:16 <warpdesign> thanks
May 14 07:49:27 <swisstomcat> compared to my code, your code looks more complicated .. maybe you can streamline it, jenp
May 14 07:49:55 <swisstomcat> this.db.transaction((function (inTransaction) {  inTransaction.executeSql(sqlDeleteHistory, [], function() { }, dao.errorHandler); }));
May 14 07:49:59 <swisstomcat> that's all i do
May 14 07:50:15 <JenP> hmm i'll try it
May 14 07:50:31 <JenP> how will that know to delete the particular row selected?
May 14 07:51:02 <swisstomcat> this is a function and you pass it the sql as a string (sqlDeleteHistory)
May 14 07:51:37 <JenP> oh kk
May 14 07:51:50 <JenP> well guys i'm beat...i'll talk to you later
May 14 07:51:52 <JenP> g'nite
May 14 07:51:56 <swisstomcat> night
May 14 09:52:14 <soulsurfer> does anyone know how i can make <td> cells clickable to push scenes?
May 14 09:52:27 <swisstomcat> hi
May 14 09:52:30 <soulsurfer> or is there a better way to create a spreadsheet of buttons?
May 14 09:52:42 <swisstomcat> i ended up using the following
May 14 09:53:17 <swisstomcat>   Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.window, Mojo.Event.tap, this.tapHandler, false);
May 14 09:53:41 <swisstomcat> and then in the handler
May 14 09:53:47 <swisstomcat>   Mojo.Log.info("observed tap on: object>"+event.srcElement+" nodename>"+event.srcElement.nodeName+" id>"+event.srcElement.id);
May 14 09:56:06 <soulsurfer> does this.controller.window count as the whole scene?
May 14 09:56:12 <swisstomcat> yes
May 14 09:56:21 <swisstomcat> as far as i tested it
May 14 09:56:41 <swisstomcat> i have 18 clickable td's
May 14 09:57:16 <soulsurfer> would that also capture a click on a palm-button?
May 14 09:57:39 <swisstomcat> good question .. try it
May 14 09:58:23 <soulsurfer> so that wayso basically this.tapHandler then decides what was clicked and calls the appropriate function?
May 14 09:58:39 <soulsurfer> i see. very cool.
May 14 09:58:42 <soulsurfer> i'll try it
May 14 09:59:18 <soulsurfer> thanks :)
May 14 09:59:19 <swisstomcat> yes, the taphandler sees which td was clicked and calls the next scene
May 14 09:59:29 <soulsurfer> awesome
May 14 10:11:50 <soulsurfer> swisstomcat, it works, thanks!  Now I just have to logical ids to each one.  Thanks!!
May 14 10:24:33 <EdLin> what's the conf file in /etc for log files for WebOS?
May 14 13:47:00 <Templarian> http://www.microsoft.com/australia/technet/ie8milk/
May 14 13:56:35 <swisstomcat> saw that, pretty funny
May 14 14:06:13 <HattCzech> what's wrong with 9 year old milk?
May 14 14:06:16 <HattCzech> i like cheese
May 14 14:06:34 <swisstomcat> heh
May 14 14:06:41 <swisstomcat> i don't use IE anymore
May 14 14:07:00 <swisstomcat> i use a fresh chrome beta or firefox beta
May 14 14:10:48 <HattCzech> i only use ie (6, actually) when i have to troubleshoot my code for work
May 14 14:11:03 <HattCzech> i use ff3.6, but the "corporate standard" is ie6
May 14 14:11:19 <HattCzech> so i have to make code modifications to allow it to work :/
May 14 14:13:35 <RagingMind> HattCzech, sounds like you should send that ie8milk link to a few people
May 14 14:14:40 <swisstomcat> yup
May 14 14:14:49 <swisstomcat> i've seen some companies that are still on ie6
May 14 14:15:17 <HattCzech> i've been told that we'll be upgrading to win7, so that should fix some things :)
May 14 14:16:27 <swisstomcat> i work at a company where we can install what we want :) i my case linux and chrome/firefox
May 14 14:17:57 <xalbo> My Prē has been at Best Buy (or wherever they've sent it off to) being fixed for a month now.  Urge to kill, rising.
May 14 14:18:41 <swisstomcat> that sucks
May 14 14:31:02 <sugardave> He who uses Chrome beta should try Iron: http://bit.ly/5pV2Wa
May 14 14:31:25 <swisstomcat> hey sugardave
May 14 14:31:38 <sugardave> hi hi
May 14 14:32:49 <swisstomcat> i'm working on some css3 transition stuff
May 14 15:39:19 <Robdor> Anybody here using the PDK on a mac with SDL_image?
May 14 15:44:17 <swisstomcat> no, sorry
May 14 15:45:37 <LoneStar99> alright everyone have a great weekend, will be at a rancch for the weekend - no internet!
May 14 15:45:59 <LoneStar99> happy coding )
May 14 15:48:45 <swisstomcat> enjoy the ranch, lonestar
May 14 15:54:03 <LoneStar99> thanks swisstomcat laters
May 14 16:09:54 <swisstomcat> hi noradtux
May 14 16:14:28 <noradtux> hi
May 14 16:26:47 <HattCzech> is there a reason i get "contact not found" when i try to get contact details for an id that i just pulled from a list?
May 14 16:54:40 <Nyceane> hello guys =)
May 14 17:17:19 <codeslaw> hallo
May 14 17:20:34 <haeffb_pre> hullo
May 14 17:39:51 <HattCzech> anyone around to help with webos and contact lookup?
May 14 17:42:42 <swisstomcat> hey
May 14 17:43:42 * phil_bw sighs
May 14 17:43:54 <phil_bw> still can't figure out the best way to listen to key press events
May 14 17:43:59 <phil_bw> found about 10 ways to do it
May 14 17:44:12 <swisstomcat> listen to them where?
May 14 17:44:31 <CTLAdvance> Good day everyone
May 14 17:44:48 <phil_bw> just on the screen
May 14 17:45:00 <phil_bw> let's say for example to take any key press and spit it into a div
May 14 17:45:05 <HattCzech> is there a reason i get "contact not found" when i try to get contact details for an id that i just pulled from a list?
May 14 17:45:09 <phil_bw> (that's not what's going to happen, but for example sake)
May 14 17:45:10 <CTLAdvance> anyone here working with the pdk
May 14 17:45:45 <swisstomcat> hi ctladvance
May 14 17:46:06 <CTLAdvance> hello swiss
May 14 17:46:21 <Robdor> CTLAdvance: I am, not as a plugin though.
May 14 17:47:17 <swisstomcat> haven't use a keypress listener yet
May 14 17:47:31 <swisstomcat> hattczech: you're using a list of contacts ?
May 14 17:47:42 <HattCzech> i got the id from a list of contacts
May 14 17:47:56 <HattCzech> i was using an "undocumented" way of doing it before
May 14 17:48:03 <HattCzech> (and it worked)
May 14 17:48:20 <HattCzech> but using the palm://com.palm.contacts/crud method isn't working
May 14 17:48:35 <HattCzech> it's telling me my contact doesn't exist
May 14 17:52:23 <HattCzech> swisstomcat: any thoughts?
May 14 17:53:29 <HattCzech> i stored the id from the event.personId, so i know it's valid
May 14 17:54:40 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 14 17:58:34 <CTLAdvance> woohoo visual studio is almostdone installing
May 14 17:59:11 <HattCzech|work> can i still talk in here?
May 14 17:59:15 <HattCzech|work> guess so
May 14 18:00:01 <HattCzech|work> still able to talk?
May 14 18:00:29 <HattCzech> cool
May 14 18:11:31 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 14 18:11:43 <swisstomcat>  @webosdev: "okay boys and girls. If you're a member of early access, new toys in the drop box. go check out the private forum for details."
May 14 18:12:38 <HattCzech> oh really? hmmm, am I a member or not?
May 14 18:16:34 <swisstomcat> have you signed up for early access, hattczech?
May 14 18:17:19 <HattCzech> I'm not sure. I think I tried originally
May 14 18:18:24 <HattCzech> where might I go about becoming a member?
May 14 18:19:01 <pivotalcog> Seconded.
May 14 18:23:50 <swisstomcat> how to become a member? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573
May 14 18:25:41 <pivotalcog> Thank you.
May 14 18:27:35 <HattCzech|work> ahhh, conditionals... i need to have an app in there
May 14 18:27:39 <HattCzech|work> soon... soon...
May 14 18:29:11 <CTLAdvance> brb
May 14 18:29:28 <pivotalcog> Actually, HattCzech, if I read the follow-up post right, Chuq mentioned that they had dropped that restriction....
May 14 18:29:53 <HattCzech|work> well thanks for clarifying
May 14 18:29:54 <swisstomcat> that's correct, you don't need to have an app in the catalog to join
May 14 18:30:51 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, contined from the other chan: http://www.pastie.org/960682
May 14 18:31:26 <swisstomcat> allright
May 14 18:32:18 <phil_bw> does my handler function have to change or something?
May 14 18:32:49 <swisstomcat> what is your handler function called? handleKeyDown or onKeyDown?
May 14 18:32:59 <phil_bw> handleKeyDown
May 14 18:33:18 <swisstomcat> then you need to change: this.handleKeyDown = this.onKeyDown.bindAsEventListener(this);
May 14 18:33:46 <swisstomcat> this.handleKeyDown.bindAsEventListener(this);
May 14 18:34:39 <phil_bw> nothing
May 14 18:35:15 <phil_bw> hm
May 14 18:35:19 <swisstomcat> any errors?
May 14 18:35:22 <swisstomcat> in the log
May 14 18:35:27 <phil_bw> got it by changing some things around
May 14 18:36:17 <phil_bw> wen tthis route: this.eventKeyDown = this.handleKeyDown.bindAsEventListener(this);
May 14 18:36:36 <phil_bw> and dropped this.eventKeyDown into the Mojo.Event.listen part
May 14 18:36:56 <swisstomcat> what did you change it to?
May 14 18:38:04 <HattCzech|work> urg, so it looks like i can't use the crud to get account info
May 14 18:38:30 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, here is the working config: http://www.pastie.org/960682
May 14 18:38:59 <swisstomcat> yes, this looks correct
May 14 18:39:03 <swisstomcat> and stopping works too?
May 14 18:39:15 <phil_bw> that's my next test
May 14 18:40:52 <phil_bw> yep
May 14 18:40:59 <HattCzech|work> does anyone know of a way to 'update' a contact if i have their id?
May 14 19:12:02 <phil_bw> alright, so capturing key down events is working great now... only problem is I can't get what key is being pressed.  from what I read it should be "event.keyCode" but that just returned "undefined", anyone know why?
May 14 19:14:45 <codeslaw> anyone working with the PDK on mac?
May 14 19:18:30 <swisstomcat> can you log the event object, phil_bw?
May 14 19:19:03 <phil_bw> umm, newbie question: how do I go about that?
May 14 19:20:35 <swisstomcat> in your keyhandler function, the passed in parameter is event, right?
May 14 19:20:49 <swisstomcat> it's an object
May 14 19:20:52 <phil_bw> right
May 14 19:21:01 <swisstomcat> try Mojo.Log.info(event);
May 14 19:21:06 <swisstomcat> to see if it's an object
May 14 19:21:33 <phil_bw> says undefined
May 14 19:21:36 <phil_bw> yet
May 14 19:21:41 <phil_bw> if I do event.type
May 14 19:21:48 <phil_bw> it registers "mojo-keydown"
May 14 19:22:20 <HattCzech|work> swisstomcat: is there a way to log a whole event without the stack overflow issue that sometimes pops up?
May 14 19:22:48 <codeslaw> Mojo.Log.propertiesAsString(event)
May 14 19:23:31 <swisstomcat> codeslaws example is probably better
May 14 19:23:49 <swisstomcat> strange that event would be undefined, but event.type not
May 14 19:24:42 <phil_bw>  ok, got something
May 14 19:24:47 <phil_bw> can't copy and paste it
May 14 19:25:08 <phil_bw> says "returnValue:true, type:mojo-keydown, etc
May 14 19:25:13 <Robdor> codeslaw: I'm using it on the Mac.
May 14 19:25:36 <codeslaw> Robdor: when i start a new project in xcode, it seems to have a bunch of cocoa libraries linked
May 14 19:25:46 <codeslaw> and i don't see evidence of any PDK libs
May 14 19:26:18 <swisstomcat> phil_bw: now you can look for your property in that list
May 14 19:26:24 <JenP> hi all
May 14 19:26:30 <codeslaw> hi
May 14 19:26:42 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, it's not in that list, it says the same thing each time with only the timestamp changing
May 14 19:26:46 <phil_bw> hey JenP
May 14 19:26:49 <swisstomcat> hi jenp
May 14 19:26:54 <JenP> hi guys
May 14 19:27:02 <Robdor> codeslaw: I use Textmate and rake as my build system, so I'm not sure what xcode is trying to do.
May 14 19:28:17 <swisstomcat> phil_bw: what's in event.keyCode?
May 14 19:28:46 <codeslaw> Robdor: word.  not an xcode fan myself, and i have textmate, but no rake experience
May 14 19:28:57 <codeslaw> know a good resource to get up to speed on that?
May 14 19:29:34 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, nothing, but I did it for event.originalEvent and I can see the keycode in there, now to access it...
May 14 19:29:48 <Robdor> codeslaw: This is probably a good place to start: http://docs.rubyrake.org/tutorial/index.html
May 14 19:30:12 <codeslaw> any thoughts on ANT vs rake?
May 14 19:30:32 <phil_bw> oh there it goes: event.originalEvent.keyCode
May 14 19:31:27 <Robdor> Ant is a great build system.  I'm just a Ruby dev by day so I tend to stick to my Ruby tools for most things.
May 14 19:31:45 <codeslaw> right on
May 14 19:31:52 <Robdor> Ant can get a little verbose at times.
May 14 19:31:59 <codeslaw> yes
May 14 19:32:56 <Robdor> This is the Rakefile for a project that I'm working on right now.  It handles incremental building and all that good stuff.  http://gist.github.com/401549  -- I don't have any device parameters in there yet, just host.
May 14 19:33:07 <Robdor> Not a lot of verbosity there.
May 14 19:33:57 <swisstomcat> phil_bw: was just going to post that
May 14 19:34:55 <codeslaw> ya that's pretty cool
May 14 19:35:22 <phil_bw> I think I'm actually getting the hang of this
May 14 19:38:54 <Robdor> codeslaw: If you don't mind my asking, are you making a game with the PDK?  I'm excited to see the games people are making with the PDK.  There is a lot of power sitting in this little phone, and I think that we'll see a lot of cool things done with it once more people are using the PDK.
May 14 19:39:33 <codeslaw> Robdor: i'm porting my painting engine into C
May 14 19:39:35 <swisstomcat> there's also a lot of great stuff you can do with hybrid apps
May 14 19:39:49 <swisstomcat> and with the sdk (just finished a SDK game)
May 14 19:40:04 <codeslaw> i plan to go hybrid... full mojo controls over a plugin canvas
May 14 19:42:28 <swisstomcat> i'm playing around with css3 transitions
May 14 19:43:00 <Robdor> It would be nice to have hardware accelerated css3 transitions.
May 14 19:43:15 <swisstomcat> they will come summer/fall
May 14 19:43:37 <swisstomcat> this was announced at the developer days
May 14 19:44:14 <Robdor> I didn't hear about that.  That's really cool.
May 14 19:44:34 <swisstomcat> lots of other cool stuff coming too
May 14 19:44:44 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2062
May 14 19:44:53 <swisstomcat> watch the keynote for the announcements
May 14 19:56:46 <codeslaw> watched teh vid
May 14 19:56:53 <codeslaw> can't wait for webgl
May 14 19:59:08 <swisstomcat> the "pdk hybrid apps" session is probably for you, codeslaw
May 14 19:59:42 <swisstomcat> or "optimization under palm's 3d hardware"
May 14 19:59:44 <codeslaw> ya havent watched it yet
May 14 20:06:18 <CTLAdvance> are there tutorials or videos up some where swiss?
May 14 20:08:04 <swisstomcat> ctladvance: yes, videos and slides: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2062
May 14 20:14:46 <swisstomcat> night everyone
May 14 20:18:57 <dawm> just broke 1900 unique downloads on my paid app
May 14 20:19:10 <codeslaw> grats!
May 14 20:19:22 <dawm> about to break 5000 on the free version
May 14 20:19:37 <Nyceane> NICE
May 14 20:19:50 <Nyceane> I havnt got my paid app approved yet
May 14 20:20:02 <dawm> i think i need to limit the free one more.. theres alot of repeat usage of it, and i want people to buy it not keep using the free one :P
May 14 20:20:11 <codeslaw> hahaha
May 14 20:20:24 <dawm> like.. on sprint, 2638 downloads, but 9492 launches
May 14 20:20:39 <Nyceane> yah, i m still waiting for review
May 14 20:20:44 <dawm> verizon, 886 downloads, but 3329 launches
May 14 20:21:03 <Nyceane> gratz
May 14 20:21:09 <Nyceane> you are getting that $1000 now right?
May 14 20:21:16 <dawm> yeah for the paid app
May 14 20:21:17 <codeslaw> try directly advertising the paid features from within the free app
May 14 20:21:19 <haeffb> grrr...my home theater receiver stopped working with HDMI. Onkyo wants me to drive 260 miles to a service center...
May 14 20:21:21 <dawm> its at like #94 i think
May 14 20:21:24 <Nyceane> my free app is at 14961
May 14 20:21:29 <Nyceane> I need 18000
May 14 20:22:00 <Nyceane> wana check it out?
May 14 20:22:05 <dawm> i just submitted the free version on 4/27
May 14 20:22:20 <dawm> whats your app?
May 14 20:22:29 <Nyceane> Fantasy Chat
May 14 20:22:37 <dawm> oh yah i saw that, but didnt download it
May 14 20:22:46 <Nyceane> lol
May 14 20:23:03 <dawm> i havent had time lately to work on any of my apps (current and upcoming) lately. working alot of OT, and tryign to get the racecar finished so i can actually drive it this year
May 14 20:23:25 * haeffb thinking about throwing it in the trash and buying a Yamaha or Pioneer instead.
May 14 20:23:40 <dawm> id rather drive
May 14 20:23:52 <dawm> onkyo > thoseguys
May 14 20:24:13 <Nyceane> try it, give me some feedback on how to upgrade it =_=
May 14 20:24:20 <dawm> i will
May 14 20:25:04 <dawm> its just alice right?
May 14 20:25:40 <haeffb> you think? The Onkyo support guy was pretty f'in rude.
May 14 20:26:13 <dawm> Nyceane, it doesnt save my name
May 14 20:26:40 <dawm> and theres a small rectangle at the top left
May 14 20:27:09 <dawm> and you need to move the chat text away from the left side, its like right on the edge
May 14 20:28:59 <dawm> you need to trim the message
May 14 20:29:17 <dawm> if i send just a space it doenst like it
May 14 20:30:00 <dawm> theres no scrollback buffer
May 14 20:30:15 <dawm> and no help scene to contact for support :P
May 14 20:37:18 <Nyceane> it saves your name in the database
May 14 20:37:31 <Nyceane> oh, that would be my next update =), will just pull your name from there too
May 14 20:38:01 <dawm> yeah if you send just a space, it complains about missing AIML files
May 14 20:38:19 <Nyceane> =_=
May 14 20:38:26 <Nyceane> wow, you are awesome
May 14 20:38:41 <Nyceane> I m gona go work on it tonight and release update this weekend
May 14 20:38:45 <Nyceane> thanks a lot, dawm
May 14 20:38:48 <dawm> another thing that was annoying
May 14 20:38:56 <dawm> it doesnt replace text
May 14 20:39:00 <dawm> like u doesnt become you
May 14 20:39:16 <Nyceane> yah, thats a hard part =_=
May 14 20:39:29 <Nyceane> ok, i'll work on that one too
May 14 20:39:37 <dawm> just look inside the stock messaging app
May 14 20:39:38 <Nyceane> is there any good app for replacing text?
May 14 20:39:41 <dawm> i believe the source is in the sdk
May 14 20:39:45 <Nyceane> ok
May 14 20:40:12 <Nyceane> thanks for the feedback, I'll be working on it right away
May 14 20:40:29 <dawm> program files\palm\sdk\share\refcode\webos-applications\messaging
May 14 20:40:45 <Nyceane> ok
May 14 20:40:50 <dawm> no prob
May 14 20:40:58 <Nyceane> let me write these down
May 14 20:41:09 <Nyceane> if you are female, you'd be chatting with peter
May 14 20:41:15 <dawm> lol
May 14 20:41:16 <Nyceane> with male personality
May 14 20:42:01 <dawm> oh man
May 14 20:42:11 <dawm> you might need to edit the aiml files
May 14 20:42:17 <Nyceane> i did
May 14 20:42:22 <dawm> she just said 'taller than the world trade center.'
May 14 20:42:41 <Nyceane> +_+
May 14 20:42:41 <dawm> that could be offensive
May 14 20:43:32 <dawm> also add interaction to the button, it doesnt change when you tap it so its like it wasnt actually tapped
May 14 20:46:48 <CTLAdvance> YES! Just got Visual Studio Installed and configed for pdk use
May 14 20:46:51 <CTLAdvance> this is awesome
May 14 20:54:01 <haeffb> anybody want to critique my app description before I submit to the catalog?  http://uploads.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/done-toodledo
May 14 20:55:26 <oilsworkn> note: catalog descriptions become one big paragraph
May 14 20:58:43 <CTLAdvance> you can embed html I guess
May 14 20:58:55 <CTLAdvance> thats how some people get spaces and new lines
May 14 20:59:08 <CTLAdvance> unless they broke that
May 14 21:16:46 <Nyceane> dawm, the black box is caused by using visual studio
May 14 22:22:38 <Nyceane> do you guys know how do i join flash channel?
May 14 22:27:33 <amiroo> hi there
May 14 22:28:06 <amiroo> i need some help with the calendar service using the sdk
May 14 22:28:55 <codeslaw> the CRUD api?
May 14 22:29:04 <codeslaw> there've been some people having problems there
May 14 22:29:10 <codeslaw> i personally have 0 experience with the calendar
May 14 22:29:38 <amiroo> yeah it looks so complicated. espacially when you're new on js
May 14 22:29:55 <amiroo> i even tried to understand the sample files. no chance ;-)
May 14 22:30:17 <codeslaw> JS is pretty quick learning, but MOJO isn't a very simple framework
May 14 22:30:54 <amiroo> i agree :-)
May 14 22:30:59 <oilsworkn> once you understand how it works its great
May 14 22:31:33 <codeslaw> it is great
May 14 22:31:36 <codeslaw> very powerful
May 14 22:32:31 <amiroo> but have you aver worked with the crud api at all, besides calendar?
May 14 22:32:40 <amiroo> i'm talking about creating an account
May 14 22:32:53 <codeslaw> on webOS no
May 14 22:33:06 <amiroo> oh. ok. thanx anyway
May 14 22:33:43 <codeslaw> just idle in here, poke your head up, someone with calender experience is bound to be in at some point
May 14 22:34:18 <warpdesign> amiroo: what's wrong ?
May 14 22:34:46 <haeffb> wow. codeslaw is good...
May 14 22:34:59 <amiroo> :-) thank god
May 14 22:35:20 * codeslaw nods, approvingly.
May 14 22:35:21 <amiroo> warpdesign: i don't understand a word in the references. here's my first question
May 14 22:35:37 <sugardave> do you like gladiator movies?
May 14 22:35:49 <codeslaw> like ben hur?
May 14 22:35:53 <amiroo> warpdesign: is it right, that i can use anything i want for username and domain while creating an account?
May 14 22:36:44 <warpdesign> well.. I was just asking to see if I could help... I don't have experience with the calendar api either..
May 14 22:36:56 <warpdesign> sorry to disapoint you guys ;)
May 14 22:37:04 <amiroo> warpdesign: ohhh. too bad. np
May 14 22:37:34 <oilsworkn> lol
May 14 22:37:49 <amiroo> but here's a question (please don't laugh) i guess all of you can answer
May 14 22:38:04 <oilsworkn> 42
May 14 22:38:18 * haeffb holds hands over keyboard to beat oilsworkn
May 14 22:38:20 <haeffb> doh!
May 14 22:38:23 <codeslaw> well played!
May 14 22:38:28 <oilsworkn> lol
May 14 22:38:38 <amiroo> in the reference there a two functions. i don't know where to but em. and how i call them
May 14 22:38:48 <haeffb> turns out you actually have to place hands ON keyboard
May 14 22:38:54 <codeslaw> amiroo: which functions?
May 14 22:38:59 <amiroo> this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.accounts/crud', {
May 14 22:39:00 <amiroo>      method:   'createAccount',
May 14 22:39:00 <amiroo>      parameters: {
May 14 22:39:01 <amiroo>             username: "myusername",
May 14 22:39:01 <amiroo>             domain: "mydomain",
May 14 22:39:01 <amiroo>             displayName: "My Name",
May 14 22:39:02 <amiroo>             icons: {largeIcon: '../accountIcon.png', smallIcon: '../stampIcon.png'},
May 14 22:39:02 <amiroo>             dataTypes: ["CONTACTS", "CALENDAR"],
May 14 22:39:02 <amiroo>             isDataReadOnly: false
May 14 22:39:03 <amiroo>             },
May 14 22:39:03 <amiroo>      onSuccess: this.accountCreated.bind(this);
May 14 22:39:03 <amiroo>      onFailure: function(response)  {
May 14 22:39:04 <amiroo>             Mojo.Log.info("Account create failed; ", response.errorText}
May 14 22:39:04 <amiroo>             }
May 14 22:39:05 <amiroo> });
May 14 22:39:20 <amiroo> sorry. didn't mean to spam the room ;-)
May 14 22:39:21 <amiroo> wait
May 14 22:39:23 <codeslaw> eeek, use pastie.org, or post links
May 14 22:39:30 <amiroo> http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/api-reference/423-mojocontrollerscenecontrollerservicerequest#accountcreation
May 14 22:39:43 <codeslaw> no prob
May 14 22:39:53 <amiroo> i'm talkin about the frist on Synergy Account Creation
May 14 22:40:02 <amiroo> and the one below Calendar
May 14 22:40:08 <codeslaw> you can call that function in the setup method of your scene
May 14 22:40:19 <codeslaw> or whenever you need that to happen
May 14 22:40:32 <amiroo> can i call them in a button handler?
May 14 22:40:34 <codeslaw> yes
May 14 22:40:36 <haeffb> huh, there's a channel called #accountcreation
May 14 22:40:56 <amiroo> are you serious? thanx!
May 14 22:41:04 <codeslaw> yes
May 14 22:41:13 <codeslaw> you can call it anywhere you have access to the scenecontroller
May 14 22:41:18 <amiroo> haha I am the only one in that channel
May 14 22:41:22 <warpdesign> loll
May 14 22:41:30 <haeffb> I was there a moment ago...
May 14 22:41:35 <haeffb> :0
May 14 22:41:41 <codeslaw> which is any and all code executed after your scene has been created, so, not in the constructor function
May 14 22:42:11 <amiroo> ok. and i can put these function in a seperate file and include them in the sources file?
May 14 22:42:30 <codeslaw> eehh depends on how/when you call them
May 14 22:42:39 <codeslaw> that gets tricky, ESPECIALLY if you are new to JS
May 14 22:42:51 <codeslaw> which handles OO like a drunken clown
May 14 22:43:04 <amiroo> i just want to call them on buttonPress in a scene
May 14 22:43:20 <codeslaw> ya, just leave that code in your scene until you have it working
May 14 22:43:32 <codeslaw> then figure out how re-organize your code
May 14 22:43:37 <codeslaw> or do one first, then the other
May 14 22:43:57 <haeffb> oops...the wife's home...can you guys keep it down a bit?
May 14 22:44:08 <codeslaw> i only suggest this, because i had trouble for a while getting all the scope references to work when i moved code around to organize better
May 14 22:44:26 * oilsworkn turns on CAPSLOCK
May 14 22:44:35 <amiroo> ok i understand
May 14 22:44:47 <codeslaw> anyhow, i'm leaving work, i'll talk to you all later
May 14 22:44:55 <codeslaw> good luck getting calendar stuff working amiroo
May 14 22:44:58 <amiroo> so i can pull the code out of the function and use them direcely on buttontab
May 14 22:45:05 <amiroo> thx
May 14 22:45:10 <codeslaw> basically
May 14 22:45:19 <amiroo> thank you so mich
May 14 22:45:28 <codeslaw> any of these guys can help you with where to place your service calls and such
May 14 22:45:42 <oilsworkn> you can put them anywhere
May 14 22:45:50 <codeslaw> see?
May 14 22:45:54 <amiroo> hehe cool
May 14 22:45:57 <amiroo> you guys rock
May 14 22:46:07 <warpdesign> I'm about to implement high score submiting to my game, and I'm wondering how I could do that so that you cannot easily hack it (ie: something could just watch my code, then send some fake new scores by hand..)
May 14 22:46:10 <warpdesign> any idea ?
May 14 22:46:46 <codeslaw> warpdesign: server side checks for impossible to achieve scores
May 14 22:46:58 <warpdesign> yes, I'll do that
May 14 22:47:10 <codeslaw> but client side security is basically pointless, because anyone savvy enough to watch your net connections to figure this out
May 14 22:47:14 <warpdesign> but this won't prevent anyone to submit fake (valid) scores without having played the game
May 14 22:47:17 <codeslaw> will know that they can just look at your source code
May 14 22:50:12 <JasonLP> Hi all
May 14 22:51:29 <HattCzech|work> what's another way to set content aside from innerHTML?
May 14 22:51:47 <oilsworkn> w/prototype element.update('foo');
May 14 22:51:52 <HattCzech|work> i've been using that, but i just noticed it doesn't work for labels in a row
May 14 22:52:14 <HattCzech|work> let me try that
May 14 22:52:55 <HattCzech|work> nope, still having issues
May 14 22:53:35 <HattCzech|work> when i set the value in HTML, it works, but i'm trying to localize it, so now i'm going through JS
May 14 22:53:49 <HattCzech|work> and now it is way off the edge of the row
May 14 22:56:17 <warpdesign> the problem i have is: how do i identify someone, and make sure it's coming from the game and isn't a fake request ?
May 14 22:56:33 <oilsworkn> good luck
May 14 22:57:39 <JasonLP> Any familiar with the latest palm-package with the 1.4.5 SDK?
May 14 22:58:35 <warpdesign> 1.4.5 ?
May 14 22:59:52 <amiroo> warpdesign: how about getting a method from the server to encript it and use the same method on the server to decrypt it. and use a checksum or somthing
May 14 23:00:18 <amiroo> a ment vice versa
May 14 23:00:52 <amiroo> aaaa
May 14 23:00:57 <amiroo> sorry bad idea. forget it
May 14 23:01:20 <haeffb> HattCzech|work: what's wrong with innerHTML ?
May 14 23:01:42 <HattCzech|work> it cuts of the label in the row
May 14 23:01:55 <HattCzech|work> the label is "Name"
May 14 23:02:00 <HattCzech|work> and i see "Na"
May 14 23:02:10 <haeffb> and before it was something short?
May 14 23:02:25 <HattCzech|work> before it was "Name" and i had it in the HTML side
May 14 23:02:38 <haeffb> Oh, you have nothing on the HTML side?
May 14 23:02:43 <haeffb> put something back in there.
May 14 23:03:02 <haeffb> then overwrite it with innerHTML
May 14 23:03:51 <HattCzech|work> very interesting
May 14 23:03:57 <HattCzech|work> that worked
May 14 23:04:05 <HattCzech|work> but why do i need something there?
May 14 23:43:55 <haeffb> because the framework sets the length of the label based on whats in the HTML...
May 14 23:44:36 <haeffb> ...it may be a bug in what it does if there's nothing in the HTML
May 14 23:45:38 <HattCzech|work> i'm thinking it's a bug
May 14 23:45:46 <HattCzech|work> cuz i set it to '!' and it works
May 14 23:45:52 <HattCzech|work> but a space doesn't
May 14 23:46:08 <HattCzech|work> and other alpha-numeric characters appear to work also
May 15 00:15:04 <Nyceane> 3000 away from $1000
May 15 00:15:06 <Nyceane> yay!
May 15 01:16:50 <Nyceane> just released my first paid app
May 15 01:16:54 <Nyceane> no one bought it yet
May 15 01:33:46 <pivotalcog> Congrats Nyceane.
May 15 01:34:05 <pivotalcog> (At least on the release.)
May 15 01:53:46 <Chriswebos> is it possible to determine if another app is installed on the pre?
May 15 02:45:18 <JenP> hi all!
May 15 02:47:06 <Chriswebos> is it possible to determine if another app is installed on the pre?
May 15 02:50:49 <Tibfib> Chriswebos: possible... I believe so... I'm not sure how though
May 15 02:51:59 <Chriswebos> hmmm...need to find out...i just tried doing the cross-lauch thing...it didn't do it for me...
May 15 02:52:22 <Chriswebos> i'm thinking of Mojo.service, but i don't see how to register a service
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