**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 19 02:59:57 2010
May 19 03:00:05 <alexfner> the device id, is it always 40 chars long?
May 19 03:00:22 <alexfner> just want to make sure, finalizing a database structure for an online scoreboard
May 19 03:04:54 <bpadalino> nduid? yeah i am pretty sure it's defined as 40 characters
May 19 03:07:34 <alexfner> thanks
May 19 03:11:36 <JenP> hi all
May 19 03:15:06 <haeffb_pre> always sunny in PA debuts on Comedy Central May 31
May 19 03:15:14 <haeffb_pre> hi JenP
May 19 03:15:22 <JenP> hi haeffb_pre
May 19 03:25:04 <haeffb_pre> get your chart done?
May 19 03:26:28 <JenP> smiles...no. Had an emergency at work. So just got home
May 19 03:27:06 <rwhitby> alexfner: so if I change devices, I lose my scoreboard ranking?
May 19 03:30:38 <haeffb_pre> or if I play on my wife's phone, she gets the ranking
May 19 03:31:33 <alexfner> sorry, I am back
May 19 03:31:38 <alexfner> so I don't know of a better way to do it
May 19 03:31:45 <rwhitby> doesn't Palm advise against using nduid for this type of stuff?
May 19 03:32:03 <alexfner> idk, others had said that's how they did it in the game dev forums
May 19 03:32:27 <alexfner> I mean I could give everyone a name and password, but then I'm responsible for a lot more, and how do I prevent people from just making multiple accounts?
May 19 03:32:31 * rwhitby dunnos too
May 19 03:33:06 <alexfner> anyone got some suggestions?
May 19 03:34:47 <bpadalino> maybe lemketron has some ideas ?
May 19 03:35:06 <alexfner> maybehh....
May 19 03:36:00 <lemketron> about?
May 19 03:36:11 <alexfner> chili recipes
May 19 03:36:22 <bpadalino> using nduid as a means of identification for users ?
May 19 03:36:28 <alexfner> err... right, that
May 19 03:36:44 <lemketron> um, it identifies a *device*, not a *user*
May 19 03:37:08 <alexfner> but seriously, when you make your next pot of chili, add butternut squash, you won't regret it
May 19 03:37:12 <alexfner> yes but what is a better way?
May 19 03:37:24 <Tibfib> lemketron: is a *User* method going to be available to devs any time soon??
May 19 03:37:39 <Tibfib> (just meant one ?, got a little key-happy)
May 19 03:37:39 <lemketron> You could *ask* the user to identify themselves...?
May 19 03:38:08 <alexfner> what means?
May 19 03:38:12 <alexfner> username and password?
May 19 03:38:45 <Tibfib> it would be nice to have an easy nduid-style method that returns a profileID
May 19 03:39:16 <alexfner> I'd agree with that
May 19 03:39:17 <haeffb> with user permission, of course
May 19 03:39:33 <Tibfib> haeffb: nah, same as nduid
May 19 03:39:33 <alexfner> well, maybe a *unique* profile id!
May 19 03:40:09 <Tibfib> haeffb: just a string of characters...
May 19 03:40:17 <alexfner> people people people, does anyone have a better alternative to nduid for building a scoreboard or not?
May 19 03:40:20 <lemketron> You'd probably like to get their palm profile ID but I suspect that's not available.
May 19 03:40:25 <alexfner> I wants to try and put this update out tomorrow
May 19 03:40:33 <lemketron> why do you need this?
May 19 03:40:37 <Tibfib> alexfner: just do nduid
May 19 03:40:38 <lemketron> s/need/want/
May 19 03:40:44 <alexfner> :D
May 19 03:41:10 <alexfner> s/palm/hp =D
May 19 03:41:11 <haeffb> scoreboard!
May 19 03:41:15 <alexfner> scoreboard!
May 19 03:41:21 <Tibfib> USERS for chat app
May 19 03:41:40 <alexfner> whoops
May 19 03:41:43 <alexfner> left out a close
May 19 03:41:49 <alexfner> s/Palm/hp/
May 19 03:41:53 <alexfner> there we go'
May 19 03:42:08 <Tibfib> (also scoreboard)
May 19 03:42:14 <alexfner> that's it, NOBODY MOVE, I'm going to use nduid
May 19 03:42:46 <haeffb> great. end the world as we know it. see if we care.
May 19 03:43:36 <bpadalino> what if their device gets replaced ?
May 19 03:43:38 <bpadalino> how screwed are they ?
May 19 03:43:51 <alexfner> it's just a score for a little game
May 19 03:44:03 <bpadalino> but their score will be forever lost!
May 19 03:44:14 <bpadalino> or if someone gets a refurb and the nduid is not updated ..
May 19 03:44:19 <bpadalino> OR if they sell their device
May 19 03:44:24 <bpadalino> and someone gets the score of someone else!
May 19 03:44:27 <alexfner> I know these are problems
May 19 03:44:31 <haeffb> or if their score is very low
May 19 03:44:32 <alexfner> but I don't have a good alternative
May 19 03:44:57 <bpadalino> you don't like just asking for the users email and marking which nduid they came from as well ?
May 19 03:45:02 <bpadalino> then you could link them!
May 19 03:45:03 <rwhitby> what's the problem with people creating multiple accounts?
May 19 03:45:12 <bpadalino> rwhitby is a multiple account master
May 19 03:45:16 <bpadalino> he has like 8 palm accounts
May 19 03:45:20 <Tibfib> bpadalino: no one would provide email...
May 19 03:45:26 <alexfner> wait wait wait
May 19 03:45:26 <rwhitby> if they can get high scores on multiple accounts, good luck to them
May 19 03:45:31 <bpadalino> that is true
May 19 03:46:05 * Tibfib is NOT locking chat accounts to nduid... multiple accounts if you want.
May 19 03:46:06 <alexfner> yeah but what about the poor sap who gets a low score and sees that he/she is ranked 499000 of 499001 when there are actually only 70,000 unique users?
May 19 03:46:25 <rwhitby> bpadalino: only 7 palm profiles (I think)
May 19 03:46:34 <bpadalino> :)
May 19 03:46:42 <bpadalino> 8 when that new dev phone comes in
May 19 03:46:47 <Tibfib> alexfner: not everyone is rwhitby
May 19 03:46:55 <rwhitby> bpadalino: no, I've got the profile for that already
May 19 03:47:10 <bpadalino> ah
May 19 03:47:15 <bpadalino> foiled again
May 19 03:47:35 <alexfner> to please everyone (and mostly myself) I *may* implement a score tracking system that is not based on nduid in the future
May 19 03:47:40 <Tibfib> so who all is getting a hpalm slate?
May 19 03:47:46 <rwhitby> virtura, experia, donatia, natura, profilia, +2 real ones
May 19 03:47:51 <alexfner> but adding such a feature would take time, and I want to update tomorrow
May 19 03:47:53 <alexfner> so
May 19 03:47:54 <rwhitby> so 7 all up
May 19 03:47:57 <alexfner> alas
May 19 03:47:58 <bpadalino> nice
May 19 03:48:12 <alexfner> by the way, anyone know if changing application name would somehow "start over" in the hot apps contest?
May 19 03:48:25 <rwhitby> bpadalino: but yeah, I might need 2 more for the german pre plus and pixi plus I'm going to order soon
May 19 03:48:32 <Tibfib> alexfner: it won't
May 19 03:48:47 <rwhitby> changing appid would
May 19 03:48:49 <bpadalino> german pixi plus ?
May 19 03:49:07 <bpadalino> glad you're getting a pixi finally .. it should be good to have one of those
May 19 03:49:08 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yep, unlocked QWERTZ EU GSM Pixi Plus
May 19 03:49:10 <Tibfib> look at that app "2X games for free" app. it changes title once a week
May 19 03:49:17 <bpadalino> i wonder how many HP printers you'll need to buy in the future :P
May 19 03:49:26 <alexfner> haha
May 19 03:49:40 <alexfner> I liked the cheezy plug for the hp printer at the end of the third podcast
May 19 03:49:45 <rwhitby> bpadalino: 390 euro
May 19 03:49:56 <bpadalino> hot damn that's expensive
May 19 03:50:12 <bpadalino> how much are early termination fees in germany ?
May 19 03:50:21 <rwhitby> bpadalino: Pre Plus is 509 euro
May 19 03:50:36 <bpadalino> i thought about how att on amazon has the pre plus for $50 .. not sure if it's rebates involved or not ..
May 19 03:50:43 <bpadalino> but a $175 early termination fee
May 19 03:50:59 <rwhitby> bpadalino: wrong bands for 3G
May 19 03:51:02 <bpadalino> not sure if the same sort of thing could happen with the german one
May 19 03:51:49 <rwhitby> once I get a pre plus to use as my main phone, I can start experimenting with mixing and matching omap and comms boards ...
May 19 03:53:06 <bpadalino> a mad evil genius
May 19 04:00:21 <rwhitby> it's the only way known to get a legitimate unlocked QWERTY EU GSM device.
May 19 04:00:33 <rwhitby> Since Palm refuses to sell me such a thing.
May 19 04:02:05 <rwhitby> You hear that, Palm?  People want to buy your product, but you don't sell the configuration that > 50% of your global market desires.
May 19 04:02:53 <rwhitby> Hopefully HP has enough clout to tell the US carriers where to stick it, and produce a global product.
May 19 04:03:11 <rwhitby> </rant>
May 19 04:33:44 <alexfner> I need to do form checking on a textfield, basically want to only allow a space, or letters or numbers, how do I account for special, non-qwerty chars (i.e. å)
May 19 04:40:17 <PrimerFender> ping Roy-Pre101
May 19 04:40:34 <alexfner> hmm
May 19 04:44:13 <PrimerFender> ha!
May 19 04:44:42 <PrimerFender> http://www.webos101.com/IntegerPicker
May 19 04:46:22 <alexfner> explain your ha!
May 19 04:46:23 <alexfner> NOW!
May 19 04:47:22 <TheSavaLord> lol
May 19 04:50:52 <PrimerFender> this is going to sound lame, but that is my first wiki contribution - ever.
May 19 05:04:18 <alexfner> haha
May 19 05:04:25 <alexfner> well it was lame, but it's okay
May 19 05:04:46 <alexfner> because I said so
May 19 05:09:54 <PrimerFender> ~lart alexfner
May 19 05:10:03 <PrimerFender> damnit, didn't work.
May 19 05:10:19 <rwhitby> #webos isn't cool enough to have infobot visit
May 19 05:10:59 <PrimerFender> apparently...
May 19 05:13:10 <alexfner> harsh :/
May 19 05:14:17 <alexfner> it's late, don't hate
May 19 05:17:31 <PrimerFender> according to Whendle it's still afternoon in australia
May 19 06:14:00 <PrimerFender> how would I got about pulling apart the built in clock/alarm application? i'm think of making my own
May 19 06:57:30 <swisstomcat> morning
May 19 07:02:15 <PrimerFender> goodnight
May 19 07:02:30 * PrimerFender collapses over the keyboard
May 19 07:04:19 <swisstomcat> night
May 19 10:16:31 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 19 10:18:16 <warpdesign_> hi there!
May 19 10:18:43 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
May 19 10:19:54 <warpdesign_> ready for some more testing ? :)
May 19 10:21:06 <swisstomcat> sure
May 19 10:31:03 <warpdesign_> great :)
May 19 10:31:12 <warpdesign_> maybe I'll have scores working
May 19 10:31:21 <warpdesign_> and that should be ready for the final polishing :)
May 19 11:52:14 <haeffb> 'morning
May 19 11:53:05 <swisstomcat> morning haeffb
May 19 14:03:23 <sugardave> man, all my good app ideas are illegal
May 19 14:03:36 <sugardave> stupid Puritans
May 19 14:08:48 <swisstomcat> hey sugardave
May 19 14:09:06 <swisstomcat> what apps are you talking about?
May 19 14:26:21 <plumenator> Did anyone use off screen rendering using SDL/OpenGL?
May 19 14:27:30 <swisstomcat> no
May 19 14:27:46 <swisstomcat> did you ask on the developer.palm.com forums as well?
May 19 14:27:52 <plumenator> I found that SDL does not support off-screen surfaces for OpenGL.
May 19 14:27:55 <plumenator> No, I didn;t
May 19 14:28:18 <plumenator> I tried using glReadPixels, unsuccessfully.
May 19 14:28:18 <swisstomcat> they have a PDK section where palm people answer questions
May 19 14:28:25 <plumenator> Okay
May 19 14:28:38 <plumenator> Isn't there an IRC for PDK?
May 19 14:28:52 <swisstomcat> i don't know
May 19 14:29:03 <swisstomcat> some developers here are using the pdk
May 19 14:45:23 <Robdor> SDL 1.2 does not support off screen rendering to an OpenGL context.  SDL 1.3 has pbuffer support which gets you part of they way there.  I know that palm is mixing SDL libraries, but I'm not sure if the pbuffer support was included.
May 19 14:46:26 <Robdor> Oh, he logged off. :)
May 19 14:47:41 <swisstomcat> maybe he'll post the question to the developer forum at palm
May 19 14:57:03 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 19 15:40:43 <Kuraiou> Komodo seems to have a lot of trouble with very large files...
May 19 15:42:30 <haeffb_pre> how large?
May 19 15:43:00 <Kuraiou> uh...................... ~14k lines?
May 19 15:45:03 <reality9110> I think RadioTime is bigger than that and Komodo works well on it
May 19 15:46:19 <sugardave> Kuraiou: what platform?
May 19 15:46:20 <sugardave> hi doc
May 19 15:46:28 <Kuraiou> ubuntu karmic koala
May 19 15:46:40 <Kuraiou> full komodo ide
May 19 15:46:42 <Kuraiou> not the free edit
May 19 15:46:45 <sugardave> hmm, I had all kinds of trouble with komodo edit in windows
May 19 15:46:46 <sugardave> oh
May 19 15:46:53 <sugardave> no eye-deer
May 19 15:47:02 * Kuraiou looks the deer in the eye
May 19 15:47:41 <reality9110> Hey Dave
May 19 15:56:00 <pandora--> heyhey all
May 19 15:56:02 <pandora--> mornin
May 19 15:56:15 <haeffb_pre> morning
May 19 15:56:24 <pandora--> so my newest app hit the store this morning, and my boss suspended it
May 19 15:56:35 <pandora--> sooooo go download it while it's still in the store!
May 19 15:56:42 <pandora--> TuneWiki Lyrics Search ! :D :D
May 19 15:56:48 * sugardave would die if my boss had the ability to do that.
May 19 15:56:55 <pandora--> lol
May 19 15:57:55 <pandora--> it's a cool app, but some misunderstandings internally
May 19 15:58:13 <pandora--> so... please buy it to make me look right :D
May 19 15:59:13 <pandora--> this is the first app I release for my day-job company
May 19 15:59:25 <pandora--> but my 4th app in the catalog so far
May 19 16:02:14 <haeffb_pre> installed
May 19 16:05:53 <pandora--> woooooot
May 19 16:05:58 <pandora--> haeffb_pre: rock on
May 19 16:11:42 <Bmyers> hi reality9110
May 19 16:11:52 <Bmyers> hi haeffb_pre
May 19 16:12:18 <haeffb_pre> bmyers
May 19 16:12:37 <Bmyers> hows tricks haeffb_pre?
May 19 16:12:37 <haeffb_pre> hi chuqui. kudos to app review team
May 19 16:13:03 <haeffb_pre> submitted Sun, in Catalog by Tues AM
May 19 16:13:20 <chuqui> thanks. for what?
May 19 16:13:26 <chuqui> good morning, all...
May 19 16:13:43 <haeffb_pre> submitted meta update Tues am and it was done Tues evening
May 19 16:16:04 <pandora--> yeah no kidding, my app went in about 24 hours before it was published! crazy fast
May 19 16:16:23 <warpdesign_> it must be a great app :)
May 19 16:16:37 <pandora--> chuqui: though... we had requested it for rejection just after we submitted for review, and it still got published :P
May 19 16:17:01 <pandora--> warpdesign_: but of course! and you should go download it while it's still cached in the store :D :D
May 19 16:17:09 <pandora--> TuneWiki Lyrics Search
May 19 16:17:10 <pandora--> hehe
May 19 16:17:14 <pandora-->  </spam>
May 19 16:17:31 <warpdesign_> pandora--: I don't have access to the store
May 19 16:17:32 <warpdesign_> ;)
May 19 16:17:33 <chuqui> pandora -- oops
May 19 16:17:55 <HattCzech> can't find it
May 19 16:18:11 <pandora--> doh, maybe it's actually out of the store now?
May 19 16:18:17 <HattCzech> it may already be gone
May 19 16:18:22 <pandora--> nah it's there
May 19 16:18:30 <pandora--> in "What's New"
May 19 16:18:32 <warpdesign_> what was the app about ?
May 19 16:19:00 <HattCzech> ahhh, indeed it is
May 19 16:19:06 <pandora--> it's a lyrics search app.  so, type in a piece of a song and it'll find it.  or browse an artists discography (with album art!) to find the song
May 19 16:19:10 <HattCzech> but it's not free ;)
May 19 16:19:14 <nebula> chuqui: yo!
May 19 16:19:17 <pandora--> hah no, no it's not free
May 19 16:20:01 <pandora--> it was a little side project at TuneWiki (my day job)
May 19 16:20:22 <warpdesign_> and you submitted it without your boss'approval ?
May 19 16:20:24 <pandora--> we don't have any webos developers, so i did it on the side
May 19 16:20:25 <HattCzech> hey chuqui, want to push my app to the front of the line? ;)
May 19 16:20:34 <chuqui> nebula yo!
May 19 16:20:49 <pandora--> warpdesign_: hah no, they just misunderstood some part of the app and freaked out
May 19 16:20:57 <chuqui> hattczech happily. Except I can't. they know Im' a soft touch, so they won't let me do stuff like that...
May 19 16:21:08 <chuqui> I have to go ask someone else to do it, and he's good at telling me to shut up...
May 19 16:21:13 <HattCzech> hehehe, didn't think you'd be able to, but figured i'd ask
May 19 16:22:07 <haeffb_pre> but chuqui: still no email notification that it was published
May 19 16:22:12 <reality9110> Hmmm...interesting.
May 19 16:22:25 <HattCzech> oh, did you read my question about the contacts thing yesterday?
May 19 16:22:28 <chuqui> haeffb_pre that's be nice. maybe someday.
May 19 16:22:44 <HattCzech> (i'll re-ask just to clarify)
May 19 16:23:26 <HattCzech> why does it tell me a contact doesn't exist when i try to get the information from the contacts crud when using the id as the parameter?
May 19 16:24:22 <chuqui> i dunno. post that in the forum (if you haven't) and I'll need to get an engineer to look
May 19 16:28:00 <HattCzech> what is this topic about? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6624&p=27699&hilit=contacts+crud#p27699
May 19 16:29:03 <HattCzech> because that seems exactly like my issue
May 19 16:35:03 <HattCzech> made a post on that topic
May 19 16:41:45 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: when I submit, it says you will email me when published...
May 19 16:42:17 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: Hello
May 19 16:42:53 <chuqui> hey, roy
May 19 16:43:02 <halfhalo> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1208312&l=1b9022f990&id=1405090480
May 19 16:43:06 <halfhalo> Puppy
May 19 16:43:30 <Roy-Pre101> halfhalo: MmmmmmHmmmm
May 19 16:44:26 <halfhalo> Was on of my first pictures with new camera
May 19 16:47:17 <haeffb_pre> puppy!
May 19 16:47:35 <chuqui> haeffb_pre yea, i know
May 19 16:47:46 <haeffb_pre> kk
May 19 18:25:11 <Bmyers> is there a way to center the palm group title. it's always seemed to give me problems
May 19 18:29:51 <sugardave> <center></center> ?
May 19 18:31:16 <Bmyers> nah, doesnt work
May 19 18:31:24 <Bmyers> margin-left/right doesnt help either
May 19 18:32:07 <Bmyers> wrapped the group title in a margin'd div. no va..
May 19 18:32:21 <sugardave> css align:center?
May 19 18:33:11 <swisstomcat> evening
May 19 18:33:13 <sugardave> er text-align
May 19 18:33:13 <Bmyers> i was trying text-align center..
May 19 18:33:19 <sugardave> yeah
May 19 18:33:20 <sugardave> no va?
May 19 18:33:27 <phil_bw> evenin (late morning here) swisstomcat
May 19 18:33:35 <sugardave> hi swisstomcat
May 19 18:33:37 <Bmyers> no it pushes it over to the right too far
May 19 18:34:04 <sugardave> you have to do it on the div containing the text, maybe you have the wrong div
May 19 18:34:27 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, Moo came to the rescue again yesterday.  *nothing* would make my screaming 1 year old happy, unfortunately the cow wouldn't work either and I had to go straigth to the chicken but then all was well :)
May 19 18:34:41 <swisstomcat> hehe
May 19 18:34:46 <swisstomcat> great to  hear :)
May 19 18:35:12 <phil_bw> hey what do you use for your palm development?
May 19 18:35:40 * sugardave is trying to see what Eclipse development is like.
May 19 18:36:01 <phil_bw> sugardave, I recommend komodo with Templarian's add on
May 19 18:36:10 <phil_bw> I
May 19 18:36:20 <sugardave> that's what I've used up until a couple months ago
May 19 18:36:21 <phil_bw> I've actually switched all of my dev stuff over the komodo now
May 19 18:36:27 <sugardave> just checking out the options
May 19 18:36:43 <sugardave> phil_bw: Komodo Edit + Templarian's extension = awesome
May 19 18:36:44 <phil_bw> ah, everytime I try eclipse I just get frustrated, maybe they've improved it I dunno
May 19 18:36:51 <sugardave> they haven't
May 19 18:36:58 <sugardave> it's still frustrating and huge
May 19 18:37:02 <radiofreejohn> eclipse workse, but that's not a reason to use it :P
May 19 18:37:23 <swisstomcat> i'm still using gedit :(
May 19 18:37:36 <sugardave> I'm trying to see if it will be easier to manage all the not-webOS pieces of application requirements
May 19 18:37:39 <radiofreejohn> i switched to Expresso (on Mac) and just build with console
May 19 18:37:41 <phil_bw> I'm trying to figure out how to "package, install, and launch to emulator" directly from a macro so if anyone knows how I'd appreciate knowing...
May 19 18:37:52 <radiofreejohn> palm-package directory/
May 19 18:37:53 <sugardave> phil_bw: in Komodo Edit?
May 19 18:38:01 <radiofreejohn> palm-install com.yourname.yourapp
May 19 18:38:03 <phil_bw> sugardave, yes
May 19 18:38:10 <sugardave> Templarian has that button already
May 19 18:38:12 <swisstomcat> look for palm-run, phil_bw
May 19 18:38:13 <radiofreejohn> palm-launch com.yourname.yourapp
May 19 18:38:18 <phil_bw> I know about the button, I need it from a macro
May 19 18:38:21 <sugardave> oh
May 19 18:38:25 <sugardave> those aren't macros?
May 19 18:38:31 <lemketron-away> Did anyone do an Espresso Sugar yet?
May 19 18:38:41 <radiofreejohn> no, that'd be nice lemketron
May 19 18:38:42 <phil_bw> they are, i need them in another macro
May 19 18:39:01 <lemketron> Just read about a Coda plug-in, for anyone who might be interested: http://chrisalvares.com/blog/?tag=webos
May 19 18:39:44 <lemketron> radiofreejohn: Wait, there IS one:  https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6885&start=0
May 19 18:39:50 <radiofreejohn> ah
May 19 18:40:00 <Bmyers> no va
May 19 18:40:02 <phil_bw> I've tried recording the macro and doing everything I needed and it records everything but the package, install and launch to emulator button
May 19 18:40:17 <Bmyers> <div class="palm-group-title" x-mojo-loc='' ><span style="text-align:center;">GuyRule #<span id='gr_num'></span>.<span id='gr_sub'></span></span></div>
May 19 18:40:54 <Bmyers> doesnt center the text
May 19 18:41:28 <Roy-Pre101> Set the span's width to 100%?
May 19 18:41:54 <Bmyers> hmm.. i would think it is already but i'll try that
May 19 18:43:49 <Bmyers> <div class="palm-group-title" x-mojo-loc='' ><span style="text-align:center;width:100%">GuyRule #<span id='gr_num'></span>.<span id='gr_sub'></span></span></div>
May 19 18:43:56 <Bmyers> no va..
May 19 18:45:02 <Bmyers> this has always been a PITA
May 19 18:51:53 <HattCzech> phil_bw: what do you use for source control?
May 19 18:52:30 <phil_bw> HattCzech, huh?
May 19 18:52:44 <HattCzech> you said you recommend komodo edit + plug-in
May 19 18:52:46 <HattCzech> which i use
May 19 18:52:52 <swisstomcat> do you use git or svn or anything like that?
May 19 18:52:56 <HattCzech> but do you use any source control?
May 19 18:53:15 <HattCzech> and is there anything that would work with komodo edit?
May 19 18:53:28 <phil_bw> I don't use anything
May 19 18:54:02 <phil_bw> Templarian, you available for a quick question?
May 19 18:54:08 <Templarian> Yes
May 19 18:54:34 <Templarian> phil_bw: My laptop hibernated was at a mini meeting at work.
May 19 18:54:35 <phil_bw> is it possible to package, install, and launch to emulator from within a komodo macro?
May 19 18:54:44 <Templarian> Yes one sec.
May 19 18:54:45 <phil_bw> mine does that to me all the time
May 19 18:54:50 <Templarian> You have to have the addon installed.
May 19 18:55:01 <phil_bw> it is
May 19 18:55:12 <Templarian> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Komodo_Macro
May 19 18:55:41 <HattCzech> isn't there a button for that? including one with inspect?
May 19 18:56:02 <Templarian> HattCzech: there is. he wants a macro I guess.
May 19 18:56:08 <sugardave> HattCzech: he wants his own
May 19 18:56:16 <HattCzech> ahhh, okay
May 19 18:56:20 <phil_bw> yeah, want to save the file I'm working on then send it
May 19 18:56:26 <phil_bw> which I then link to F5
May 19 18:56:27 <Templarian> What you are basically going to be doing is putting the functions inside of the onSuccess callbacks.
May 19 18:56:30 <HattCzech> that's a good idea
May 19 18:56:40 <HattCzech> i plan to do something like that, too
May 19 18:56:44 <Templarian> phil_bw: you can already set keybinds.
May 19 18:56:52 <phil_bw> I already do
May 19 18:57:01 <phil_bw> my hope is to modify the macro I use for web editing
May 19 18:57:07 <HattCzech> i need to remove commented lines, and log lines, etc
May 19 18:57:21 <phil_bw> so when I'm editing a web site it'll save and preview, if I'm editing a webos app it'sll save and send to emu
May 19 18:57:27 <HattCzech> then package, etc
May 19 18:57:50 <phil_bw> right now I just have F6 bound to send to emu (but that doesn't save first)
May 19 18:57:52 <Templarian> phil_bw: I see. Yep those the example code should be pretty easy to understand.
May 19 18:58:09 <phil_bw> Templarian, thank you much
May 19 18:58:43 <phil_bw> Templarian, just curious, what method would you use to determine if a project is a webos app?
May 19 18:58:55 <Templarian> Oh I didn't document that.
May 19 18:59:00 <Templarian> But let me go get it.
May 19 18:59:07 <Templarian> It's a boolean.
May 19 18:59:23 <phil_bw> I was thinking of just checking of appinfo.json exists, but if there's a more elegant way I'd prefer that
May 19 18:59:48 <HattCzech> what is the status flow of app submission
May 19 19:00:01 <Templarian> if(ko.extensions.webos.project.isWebOS){}
May 19 19:00:16 <phil_bw> beautiful
May 19 19:00:16 <HattCzech> submitted -> ready for review -> ? -> profit!
May 19 19:00:17 <Templarian> phil_bw: I'm editing it into the wiki one sec.
May 19 19:00:27 <phil_bw> this will speed things up immensly
May 19 19:01:31 <HattCzech> and is there a source control method i could use in komodo edit?
May 19 19:02:38 <Templarian> HattCzech: Komodo IDE has every one.
May 19 19:02:54 <HattCzech> yeah, but then i'd have to pay for it :/
May 19 19:02:57 <Templarian> Try out the trial, but wait for 6.0.
May 19 19:03:18 <HattCzech> my source control works pretty well... copy/paste
May 19 19:03:20 <Templarian> Google and see if there is a Add-on.
May 19 19:03:39 <Templarian> HattCzech: You can write a macro to call command line for SVN.
May 19 19:03:50 <Templarian> Or anything.
May 19 19:03:54 <HattCzech> i may do something like that
May 19 19:04:06 <HattCzech> i'll just make a command that'll copy/rename and other stuff
May 19 19:04:12 <HattCzech> urg... when i have time :)
May 19 19:04:22 <Templarian> :P
May 19 19:05:18 <pandora--> wow
May 19 19:05:36 <pandora--> and hours later... bossman says: "great put it on the appstore"
May 19 19:05:45 <pandora--> i guess they approve now, again, this time.
May 19 19:05:51 <HattCzech> hahahaha that sucks
May 19 19:05:56 <pandora--> Tunewiki Lyrics Search back in the queue...
May 19 19:05:58 <pandora--> lol
May 19 19:06:00 <pandora--> whatever
May 19 19:06:02 <pandora--> hahah
May 19 19:06:18 <HattCzech> i'd pick it up if it were free ;)
May 19 19:06:54 <pandora--> well, if you had an iphone/android, you could have the whole app for free
May 19 19:07:01 <pandora--> not just the lyrics search, but the whole player
May 19 19:07:52 <pandora--> damn chuq isn't here
May 19 19:08:12 <pandora--> the rejection is still pending from earlier, I need to undo that rejection
May 19 19:08:15 <pandora--> like...asap
May 19 19:08:28 <pandora--> it's still published, and i need it to stay published
May 19 19:09:56 <pandora--> anyone know who I can contact?
May 19 19:10:06 <pandora--> there's no way to undo that in my dev account
May 19 19:10:52 <swisstomcat> i'd write chuq
May 19 19:14:13 <phil_bw> oh this is nice, this macro works perfectly.  F5 to save and launch to emu in a webos project, F5 to save and preview a web site, then F5 assigned to my side mouse button
May 19 19:16:27 <swisstomcat> would be cool to include jslint into that macro
May 19 19:17:56 <phil_bw> swisstomcat, that's a good idea indeed, wonder if Templarian has another undocumented method I could use
May 19 19:19:53 <Templarian> for what?
May 19 19:20:03 <phil_bw> to fire off jslint
May 19 19:20:05 <Templarian> (sorry running around the office fixing something)
May 19 19:20:14 <Templarian> On the file you are viewing only.
May 19 19:20:32 <Templarian> For the file or the entire project?
May 19 19:20:39 <phil_bw> that'd still be helpful
May 19 19:20:59 <phil_bw> well the entire project would be the best, but if it's only possible for that file that'd work too
May 19 19:21:08 * Templarian cannot stress how much crap is in that addon.
May 19 19:21:23 <Templarian> phil_bw: you can bind that to a key.
May 19 19:21:30 <Templarian> But one sec i'll look it up
May 19 19:21:59 <phil_bw> Templarian, I'm around most of the day so if you need to look it up later that's fine too
May 19 19:22:02 <swisstomcat> jslint can be run on the command line
May 19 19:22:43 <Templarian> ko.extensions.webos.view('jslint');
May 19 19:23:05 <Templarian> That brings up the panel and rescans the project.
May 19 19:23:48 <phil_bw> wow, this feels like a real development environment now
May 19 19:24:09 <phil_bw> Templarian, very much thanks for your work on this add-on and much thanks for the macro help
May 19 19:25:04 <Templarian> Your just lucky you got it after the 1.4 SDK update when I rewrote basically everything to make it work in macros.
May 19 19:25:44 <Templarian> Before you probably would have offed yourself rather than write a custom macro.
May 19 19:26:18 <phil_bw> well you did an awesome job
May 19 19:27:31 <phil_bw> for anyone else that wants this macro here is it's source: http://www.pastie.org/968184
May 19 19:28:01 <phil_bw> be sure to pluck out the "cmd_browserPreview" if you're not doing html editing in komodo
May 19 19:28:29 <Templarian> Might want to append it in the wiki
May 19 19:28:50 <phil_bw> that's a good idea, will do that after I change a diaper
May 19 19:44:19 <pandora--> swisstomcat: do you have chuq's email?
May 19 19:44:59 <swisstomcat> one mom
May 19 19:45:04 <Roy-Pre101> pandora--: pdc@palm.com works
May 19 19:45:10 <pandora--> ty
May 19 19:45:51 <swisstomcat> Chuq.VonRospach@palm.com
May 19 19:47:23 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm...
May 19 19:47:37 <Roy-Pre101> How the heck do you activate/deactivate activitybuttons in ares?
May 19 19:47:44 <Roy-Pre101> pandora--: There's chuqui
May 19 19:47:54 <pandora--> hehe ok
May 19 19:47:56 <chuqui> (ducks)
May 19 19:48:04 <chuqui> oh, wait... hi!
May 19 19:48:15 <pandora--> yehhh i think it might be too late. the app already dropped out of the store
May 19 19:49:14 <pandora--> basically, i had to reject the app (boss man said so) then before it was processed, he said "no publish it!"
May 19 19:49:23 <pandora--> but, it's already been popped out of the store
May 19 19:49:43 <pandora--> but my dev portal doesn't give me any option to relist yet. still says "rejection pending"
May 19 19:49:58 <swisstomcat> rejections are still a manual process
May 19 19:50:42 <Roy-Pre101> Argh.  So annoying the way Mojo deals with these buttons.
May 19 19:51:15 <pandora--> well, i just want the app published. i guess I have to wait out the delay in the dev portal of reflecting the actual state
May 19 19:51:30 <chuqui> send me an email on the rejection pending. I'll alert the team to process it
May 19 19:52:04 <swisstomcat> we all hope for app store/portal enhancement soon :)
May 19 19:52:19 <swisstomcat> less work for dev releations
May 19 19:52:30 <chuqui> job security
May 19 19:53:59 <swisstomcat> isn't it crazy that you have to clean out reviews put in by a bug?
May 19 19:54:14 <chuqui> I could leave them in there and do something else.
May 19 19:54:34 <pandora--> chuqui: pdc@palm.com ?
May 19 19:54:42 <chuqui> pandora yeah'
May 19 19:54:43 <swisstomcat> they could fix the bug and you could do something else too
May 19 19:55:21 <HattCzech> does connecting my contacts to facebook allow me to select only certain lists or groups? or do i still get ALL of them?
May 19 19:55:39 <swisstomcat> all it seems
May 19 19:55:39 <HattCzech> (haven't linked it since like july of last year)
May 19 19:55:46 <HattCzech> urg
May 19 19:55:55 <pandora--> chuqui: sent! thanks a bunch
May 19 19:55:57 <chuqui> it's all part of prioritization. that bug'll get fixed.
May 19 19:55:58 <HattCzech> i want to limit it to specific groups
May 19 19:56:10 <pandora--> HattCzech: ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
May 19 19:56:29 <chuqui> resources are finite...
May 19 19:56:40 <pandora--> i wish i could link the account, but select which linked accounts would show up in contacts
May 19 19:56:51 <pandora--> like you can do with calendars
May 19 19:56:58 <HattCzech> true
May 19 19:57:17 <HattCzech> if it pulled the lists from facebook and allowed you to pick and choose, that would be nice
May 19 19:57:55 <swisstomcat> i don't see how there could be bugs with less priority
May 19 19:58:19 <chuqui> I can. Otherwise I'd be standing on someone's desk screaming at that... again.
May 19 19:58:24 <halfhalo_class> What about the bug that murders kittens?
May 19 19:58:55 <swisstomcat> how many reviews did get cleaned out after the app catalog outage? 10000? how many of those were put in by "report a problem"?
May 19 19:59:37 <halfhalo_class> I vote that report a problem gets broken for right now
May 19 19:59:50 <chuqui> swisstomcat to be honest, I didn't count.
May 19 20:00:26 <swisstomcat> but you get my point
May 19 20:00:40 <chuqui> I do. you think this bug is important.
May 19 20:01:01 <swisstomcat> not me ... i'm think it's safe to say WE
May 19 20:01:02 <chuqui> and I agree. But there are other things that when I talk to upper management I agree are also important. but tehy're things you don't know about and I can't talk about.
May 19 20:01:15 <swisstomcat> "we developers"
May 19 20:01:26 <swisstomcat> because we both agree that 0 star reviews suck
May 19 20:01:32 <swisstomcat> for you and us
May 19 20:01:40 <halfhalo_class> Except for the ones around brighthouse
May 19 20:01:41 <chuqui> and anything we bring higher up the priority list means taking something else and slowing it down.
May 19 20:04:02 <phil_bw> is there an option for "developers response" yet?
May 19 20:04:24 <phil_bw> I think that would alleviate a lot of review problems.
May 19 20:04:34 <swisstomcat> i don't think so
May 19 20:04:42 <swisstomcat> reviews are reviews
May 19 20:04:58 <chuqui> "developer's response" would require a complete rewrite of the code on the phone and the server backend. Not easy.
May 19 20:05:03 <swisstomcat> the important thing is that reviews should not be used for technial support
May 19 20:05:11 <swisstomcat> technical
May 19 20:05:15 <phil_bw> true
May 19 20:05:21 <swisstomcat> can't install
May 19 20:05:24 <swisstomcat> or whatever
May 19 20:05:28 <chuqui> users will use them for what they want to, not what we tell them to. that's reality.
May 19 20:05:29 <swisstomcat> doesn't really belong into a review
May 19 20:05:39 <chuqui> our design is REALLY NAIVE about that, too. And not easy to fix.
May 19 20:06:00 <phil_bw> but if someone is avoding an app for something written in a review that was really just an error on that particular reviewers part I think that should be avoided
May 19 20:06:04 <chuqui> but then, as I have said, if it was easy, we'd have fixed it already.
May 19 20:06:32 <chuqui> honestly, some developers just wish we'd outlaw negative reviews.
May 19 20:06:59 <swisstomcat> i'm not
May 19 20:07:00 <phil_bw> I think negative reviews are very important "UI is very hard to navigate" is helpful
May 19 20:07:10 <swisstomcat> but "can't install" not
May 19 20:07:16 <Bmyers> so, you Palm only fixes the easy stuff?
May 19 20:07:19 <swisstomcat> because it's not something we can control
May 19 20:07:29 <phil_bw> but "doesn't do what it says it does" when really they just didn't *find* it is not useful
May 19 20:07:49 <swisstomcat> but since reviews are also being filled in by "report a problem" ... we also get technical support stuff in
May 19 20:08:03 <chuqui> no, but you can fix the easy stuff sooner.
May 19 20:08:09 <chuqui> simply because it's less work.
May 19 20:10:04 <Bmyers> chuqui: is the word "faggots" on the banded list of words in a review?
May 19 20:10:32 <chuqui> well, technically, it depends on context.
May 19 20:10:41 <chuqui> but it's one I do keep an eye out for.
May 19 20:12:32 <Bmyers> in the context of a review "it's for faggots"
May 19 20:12:52 <oil> lol
May 19 20:13:01 <halfhalo_class> Hah
May 19 20:13:04 <chuqui> that one won't last much longer.
May 19 20:13:15 <Bmyers> been there since 5-12
May 19 20:13:21 <chuqui> I'll track that down after I find all of the mis-spellings of "moron"
May 19 20:13:36 <Bmyers> i love your job..
May 19 20:13:52 <Bmyers> pick the low lying fruit. call it a day..
May 19 20:14:51 <LoneStar99> hello everyone
May 19 20:15:42 <Bmyers> i'd think you'd offend the faggots before morons. so it would be a higher priority..
May 19 20:16:33 <chuqui> phhht
May 19 20:16:42 <Bmyers> but I'm not intimately familiar with Palms review policies.
May 19 20:16:47 <swisstomcat> hi lonestar
May 19 20:17:09 <LoneStar99> hello suissetomcat
May 19 20:17:53 <Bmyers> i sure did get alot of the "cant download" zero star reviews though. thanks for clearing those out.
May 19 20:20:24 <phil_bw> there should be canned reviews that can be selected such as "Can't download" that would automatically be flagged for removal (wouldn't want it automatically not posted otherwise there would be "can't review" reviews..)
May 19 20:20:51 <pandora--> hehe, just catching up
May 19 20:20:59 <pandora--> i like the outlawing negative reviews part
May 19 20:21:24 <pandora--> hehe
May 19 20:21:33 <chuqui> if we had a way to automatically flag stuff for revoval, we would.
May 19 20:21:39 <chuqui> or in general do blacklisting.
May 19 20:21:42 <chuqui> or stopwords.
May 19 20:21:44 <chuqui> or....
May 19 20:21:45 <swisstomcat> maybe not outlaw them ... an idea could be "downrank" or "uprank"
May 19 20:21:47 <pandora--> i've had some constructive negative ones, and some totally left field nutjob ones
May 19 20:21:48 <chuqui> but we don't. so we don't.
May 19 20:22:09 <pandora--> although, the "Nobama" clock one has the best reviews in the world
May 19 20:22:15 <swisstomcat> is there just not enough manpower to do app catalog/portal updates?
May 19 20:22:17 <pandora--> i read those just for humor
May 19 20:22:31 <chuqui> and you have to be careful, because context is crucial. "can't download" much different than "don't download"
May 19 20:22:32 <phil_bw> chuqui, I at least don't expect somebody to "jump on this" I'm just throwing ideas around
May 19 20:22:35 <pandora--> Nobama clock is the flamewar of flamewars. it's amazing.
May 19 20:22:48 <chuqui> nobama: sigh. that's painful to manage.
May 19 20:23:05 <chuqui> but they've turned negative reviews of "endless babes" into an olympic sport.
May 19 20:23:17 <pandora--> chuqui: censorship is bad, but useful tools are good. like being able to flag as inappropriate, etc.
May 19 20:23:39 <Kuraiou> hrm
May 19 20:23:40 <Kuraiou> uhm
May 19 20:23:44 <Kuraiou> chuqui?
May 19 20:23:45 <chuqui> pandora -- I'l be the first to agree with you. and so I've suggested.
May 19 20:24:01 <chuqui> it's not lack of intent. It's resources to implement.
May 19 20:24:11 <Kuraiou> I never got a response about the paypal rename thing...
May 19 20:24:11 <pandora--> totally understandable
May 19 20:24:16 <Kuraiou> and I also still haven't gotten paid for march/april
May 19 20:24:18 <Kuraiou> x.x
May 19 20:24:21 <pandora--> i'm sure HP has some extra guys they can put on it :)
May 19 20:24:25 <pandora--> heh
May 19 20:24:55 <chuqui> pandora sale to hp won't close until july or so. until then, reosources are in a holding pattern.
May 19 20:25:09 <warpdesign> is there a way to control the toggle state of these buttons ?
May 19 20:25:10 <warpdesign> http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/ui-widget-list/314-commandmenu?catid=43%3Awebos-mojo-ui-widget-list
May 19 20:25:11 <chuqui> kuralou send me email. it fell through a crack, I think. probably by me.
May 19 20:25:56 <Kuraiou> ok, I'll resend
May 19 20:26:09 <sugardave> chuqui: stay away from the crack
May 19 20:26:11 <sugardave> it's bad
May 19 20:26:29 <swisstomcat> mind the crack .. eh. gap
May 19 20:26:34 <Kuraiou> pdc@palm.com right?
May 19 20:26:51 <chuqui> yeah
May 19 20:27:11 <Kuraiou> kk, sent.
May 19 20:27:13 <Kuraiou> Thank you^^
May 19 20:28:30 <swisstomcat> i hope  we won't have to wait til july to get those bugs fixed
May 19 20:29:23 <swisstomcat> at least the top 5 priority ones
May 19 20:40:17 <warpdesign> anyone already imported some palm ref applications into eclipse ?
May 19 20:49:34 <LoneStar99> anyone one own a lava lamp?
May 19 20:50:48 <swisstomcat> not anymore since the 80s :)
May 19 20:52:45 <LoneStar99> k - got two lava lamps here one works great, the other the lava stays on the ground =(
May 19 20:56:15 <MetaView> I have one
May 19 20:56:31 <MetaView> lava on ground: not enough heat
May 19 20:56:37 <LoneStar99> MetaView: is it from "lavaworld.com" ?
May 19 20:56:38 <MetaView> lava on top: too much heat
May 19 20:56:54 <MetaView> nope, from a cheap supermarket around the corner
May 19 20:57:01 <LoneStar99> MetaView: big blob on bottom
May 19 20:57:18 <LoneStar99> but using bulb that came from factory
May 19 20:57:19 <MetaView> bigger lamp?
May 19 20:57:41 <LoneStar99> http://www.lavalamp.com/resources/faq/
May 19 20:57:49 <Roy-Pre101> Pop it on the stove.  Then leave the house because when it explodes it will get all over.
May 19 20:58:05 <LoneStar99> 16.3 "52 oz"
May 19 20:58:21 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: lol
May 19 20:59:36 <MetaView> LoneStar99: try another bulb, the current might be a bit out of specs?
May 19 21:02:56 <LoneStar99> yeah might go to Home Depot
May 19 21:02:58 <LoneStar99> thanks
May 19 21:06:10 <catalystmedia> Roy-Pre101: Just letting you know I added the keywords bit to the AppInfo page. Thanks for the link :)
May 19 21:06:31 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: Thank you!  I tried to thank you earlier but you weren't on
May 19 21:07:24 <catalystmedia> Roy-Pre101: You're very welcome. It wasn't documented anywhere so I had to rip open the sample apps to find it haha. Hopefully it'll be easier for others now! Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to add :)
May 19 21:09:04 <HattCzech> catalystmedia: what's the link for that?
May 19 21:09:48 <catalystmedia> HattCzech: Umm, not sure off the top of my head, but I can tell you how to add keywords. The JSON key is 'keywords' and the value is an array of strings that are your keywords
May 19 21:10:04 <HattCzech> yeah, i was wondering what the wiki content looked like
May 19 21:10:13 <catalystmedia> http://webos101.com/Appinfo.json
May 19 21:11:34 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: Anything you think is important.
May 19 21:11:40 <Roy-Pre101> I've got some ares spelunking stuff to add.
May 19 21:12:38 <catalystmedia> Roy-Pre101 I definitely can't help with Ares. I've only briefly dabbled in it, but I'll think of something else to add if I can
May 19 21:12:41 <swisstomcat> g'night all
May 19 21:13:05 <millenomi> http://drp.ly/12bH60 + http://drp.ly/1207ep <--- what I'm working on
May 19 21:13:08 <Roy-Pre101> widget, services and api's are the big stuff
May 19 21:13:10 <millenomi> base library for porting stuff around
May 19 21:13:19 <millenomi> haven't made a unit test runner for webOS, but it does build for it.
May 19 21:14:29 <millenomi> code's on my github.com page.
May 19 21:14:40 <swisstomcat> linkie?
May 19 21:14:48 <millenomi> http://github.com/millenomi/argyle
May 19 21:14:59 <swisstomcat> thanks
May 19 21:15:02 <swisstomcat> and good night
May 19 21:15:26 <millenomi> also binary builds at http://infinite-labs.net/experiments/#platform-core
May 19 21:23:20 <joetweeply> it looks like text rotation within a canvas is not even possible, right?
May 19 21:28:12 <MetaView> cool, kind of death chase for webos
May 19 21:38:30 <sugardave> millenomi: that looks neat but I have no idea what it means/is :D
May 19 21:39:18 <phil_bw> does anyone know if there's a way to determine the state of the shift/option keys?
May 19 21:39:20 <millenomi> it's a base library -- think STL, or CommonJS -- that can run on Android, webOS (via PDK), iPhone OS and basically everywhere C++ can run.
May 19 21:39:42 <millenomi> I'll be using it to make the model and controller parts of my app cross-platform.
May 19 21:39:52 <sugardave> oh I get it...shit way beyond my ability
May 19 21:40:11 <sugardave> so like a PhoneGap kind of thing
May 19 21:40:20 <sugardave> very useful
May 19 21:40:26 <millenomi> yeah. no UI.
May 19 21:40:34 <millenomi> I'm not a believer in cross-platform UI stuff.
May 19 21:40:38 <sugardave> right
May 19 21:40:39 <millenomi> but everything else, yes.
May 19 21:40:52 <sugardave> cool
May 19 21:43:57 <MetaView> shouldn't stop Propagation on  event.type == Mojo.Event.back) avoid the card mode?
May 19 21:45:45 <MetaView> well, I go to bed, g'night
May 19 21:46:01 <phil_bw> 'night henk
May 19 22:11:17 <je2345> hello every1
May 19 22:12:01 <je2345> anyone here
May 19 22:15:55 <HattCzech> some people are
May 19 22:23:14 * warpdesign really enjoys writing his first webos app :)
May 19 22:23:21 * phil_bw does too
May 19 22:25:34 <phil_bw> at first I wasn't a real fan of writing apps in html/js/css (knew virtually no js)
May 19 22:26:01 <phil_bw> then I realized, there is probably more documentation on javascript floating around the web than any other language I used
May 19 22:26:20 <Tibfib> w3schoosl ftw!
May 19 22:26:34 <Tibfib> w3schools*
May 19 22:26:42 <phil_bw> yeah, w3schools has been invalualbe
May 19 22:29:03 <HattCzech> urg, why is it that when i try to restart my phone, it freezes?
May 19 22:29:11 <HattCzech> then i remove the battery
May 19 22:29:19 <HattCzech> annoying
May 19 22:31:37 * Tibfib just got a brand spanking new pre
May 19 22:31:45 <phil_bw> nice
May 19 22:31:52 <Tibfib> no more problems... for now :)
May 19 22:33:00 <phil_bw> I hate dealing with sprint so I've not replaced mine yet
May 19 22:33:09 <phil_bw> well apart from a couple days after getting it the screen cracked
May 19 22:33:32 <phil_bw> my power button broke and they said it'd take 3 hours to fix it and I really didn't have the time (since I had to drive quite a ways to get there)
May 19 22:34:22 <phil_bw> so I just cut up a balloon and fixed it myself
May 19 22:34:32 <Tibfib> the sprint reps almost told me to file an insurance claim. then I told them the usb crack is a widespread problem and another sprint rep said it happened to them too.
May 19 22:34:49 <phil_bw> my sprint rep told me the oreo effect was a feature
May 19 22:34:51 * Tibfib got lucky
May 19 22:34:55 <Tibfib> hahah!
May 19 22:34:58 <phil_bw> and showed me his pre which had the worst oreo I'd ever seen
May 19 22:35:09 <phil_bw> said it wouldn't slide open and close if it didn't do that
May 19 22:37:02 <Tibfib> yikes my pre is soooooooo slow... restoring ~1gb of apps
May 19 22:37:39 <phil_bw> will probably get hot enough to cook on in a moment
May 19 22:37:50 <phil_bw> if you have it on a touchstone I hear it's a good idea to take it off and use usb for this process
May 19 22:39:25 <Tibfib> no touchstone :(
May 19 22:39:30 <phil_bw> me either
May 19 22:39:47 <phil_bw> but I see that a lot of places have them for $20 now, if I wasn't unemployed I'd probably buy a couple
May 19 22:40:03 <Tibfib> Dang, I can't find it for $20 anywhere!
May 19 22:40:14 <phil_bw> bestbuy and radio shack
May 19 22:40:28 <Tibfib> bestbuy has it cheap? I'll have to check it out
May 19 22:40:31 <phil_bw> though radio shack is discontinuing it so it's hard to come by
May 19 22:40:52 <phil_bw> yeah, and if they don't have it listed for $20 have them compare their price to radio shack (via web site) and they'll match it
May 19 22:40:53 <Tibfib> phil_bw: btw, getting ready to send over mojo messenger. maybe/hopefully this weekend
May 19 22:41:30 <phil_bw> Tibfib, awesome, I can't wait to check it out
May 19 22:42:05 <phil_bw> chat has been my specialty for years so i can't wait to see if I can help in any way
May 19 22:42:39 <Tibfib> I'd love the help! I still need halfhalo's help for file transfer :)
May 19 22:42:56 <phil_bw> ah
May 19 22:43:04 <phil_bw> I never did impliment file transfer in any of my clients
May 19 22:43:27 <Tibfib> it will be a highly advertised feature in mojo messenger :)
May 19 22:43:29 <phil_bw> just didn't get around to it, also PalmOS only allowed 4 concurrent sockets open which caused problems sometimes
May 19 22:43:34 <phil_bw> I'm sure
May 19 22:44:35 <phil_bw> I'm personally looking forward to group chat type setups with official rooms, IRC is great and all (I only hosted a server for 10 years and wrote my own client, love IRC) but most people don't know much about it
May 19 22:45:10 <Tibfib> ah yeah
May 19 22:45:17 <phil_bw> I imagine an app that *anyone* can download from the official catalog and load up an official room (like if Precentral wanted one for example) and connect and chat
May 19 22:45:48 <Tibfib> I'm excited for the possibilities of this app!
May 19 22:45:55 <halfhalo_class> pie
May 19 22:46:45 <phil_bw> imagine sitting in a waiting room bored and being able to load up the chat real quick and chat with other people who are also on their pre (or pixi)
May 19 22:46:59 <Tibfib> or slates :)
May 19 22:47:18 <phil_bw> yes
May 19 22:47:26 * Tibfib will be buying an HPalm webOS slate for *cough* development purposes
May 19 22:47:29 <phil_bw> you missed my WebOS fridge discussion with dtzWill yesterday
May 19 22:47:38 <phil_bw> of course
May 19 22:47:39 <Tibfib> heh
May 19 22:47:40 <halfhalo_class> screw fridges
May 19 22:47:51 <halfhalo_class> its all about the webOS Multitouch toasters
May 19 22:47:55 <phil_bw> haha
May 19 22:48:05 <phil_bw> they can compliment each other
May 19 22:48:40 <HattCzech> Tibfib: what did you do to get your phone replaced?
May 19 22:48:48 <HattCzech> mine's got a USB crack as well
May 19 22:48:59 <HattCzech> so i'm wondering if i can "upgrade" mine
May 19 22:48:59 <Tibfib> Palm: MAKE sure you can use the SAME profile for pre and slate!
May 19 22:49:27 <Tibfib> HattCzech: I went in because it wouldn't charge anymore. The crack was the cause (probably).
May 19 22:49:40 <Tibfib> They might make you file insurance :/
May 19 22:49:59 <HattCzech> i'm trying to avoid the insurance
May 19 22:50:08 <HattCzech> i have it, but don't want to pay the $100
May 19 22:50:33 <Tibfib> you should go in and ask to replace it and if they say it will be $100 change your mind and don't replace it
May 19 22:50:33 * HattCzech needs to figure out a way for my phone to not charge
May 19 22:51:02 <HattCzech> i do have a touchstone though (2, actually, picked up the 2nd from rat shack for $20 as mentioned above)
May 19 22:51:24 <Tibfib> http://forums.precentral.net/treocentral-com-precentral-net/247326-forum-leader-nominations-now-being-accepted.html how does caj2008 fit criteria 2?
May 19 22:52:39 <HattCzech> forum leader? :/
May 19 22:53:43 <phil_bw> one more thing to change "member" to something else
May 19 22:54:07 <phil_bw> they still haven't changed people who donated more than $30 to webos internals
May 19 22:55:32 <Tibfib> just ways to get more users active in the forums.
May 19 22:56:02 <phil_bw> well sounds like the kid is awake, I'll be back later
May 19 23:06:18 <rwhitby> Tibfib: I often fail criteria #2 as well :)
May 19 23:06:59 <Tibfib> rwhitby: heh, I guess we all do.
May 19 23:07:57 <HattCzech> hahaah, like over in webos-internals right now? :)
May 19 23:08:03 <HattCzech> (and i don't blame you)
May 19 23:10:48 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=7088 anyone wanna explain how you keep a "global" connection?
May 19 23:12:02 <HattCzech> i hope my app gets approved by friday...
May 19 23:12:13 <HattCzech> and then gets 20000 downloads by the end of june :)
May 19 23:13:06 <HattCzech> (or whatever the minimum gets up to by then)
May 19 23:13:07 <Tibfib> Dang. I just realized it is may, not june. I don't think my app is gonna stay in top 220
May 19 23:13:26 <HattCzech> which one is yours?
May 19 23:13:30 <Tibfib> countdown puzzles
May 19 23:13:41 <HattCzech> ahhh yes, i have played that
May 19 23:14:57 <Tibfib> HattCzech: any ideas for improvements?
May 19 23:15:29 <HattCzech> i haven't played it (or any games for that matter) in a while
May 19 23:15:40 <HattCzech> so i'm of no help at the moment
May 19 23:15:55 <Tibfib> ah no worries
May 19 23:32:58 <phil_bw> blahh, I need to find a meatloaf recipe that takes ingredients I *have*
May 19 23:42:40 <je2345> fucking Palm Pre Plus!!!! sorryr
May 19 23:43:07 <je2345> already on my 2nd palm pre plus within 7 hrs and still having issues!
May 19 23:44:39 <je2345> is some1 able to help me
May 19 23:50:42 <Nyceane> seems like you are trying to work your palm pre a lot
May 19 23:51:35 <je2345> i just got it. havent done anything besides install new 1.4.1.1 update
May 19 23:51:55 <je2345> took almost 45 min just to sign in to profile and do restore and let me start using it
May 19 23:52:07 <je2345> only have 2 apps
May 20 00:19:05 <PrimerFender> Do you still need help?
May 20 00:23:38 <je2345> yes please
May 20 00:24:52 <je2345> ???
May 20 00:28:33 <PrimerFender> What's up?
May 20 00:31:07 <je2345> sorry...this pre is driving me nuts
May 20 00:31:27 <PrimerFender> it's a love/hate relationship some times
May 20 00:31:35 <je2345> i dled and installed the new software and upon restarting it wouldnt start back up
May 20 00:32:05 <je2345> so i waited atleast 20min before pulling battery or anything and finally got it to come back to main screen...
May 20 00:32:15 <je2345> got to main screen and was stuck in phone offline mode
May 20 00:33:03 <je2345> tried turning airplane mode on and off numerous times and no luck then the pre all of a sudden just shut down and when i go to power it back on i got a big battery icon with a lightning bolt inside
May 20 00:33:54 <je2345> ran webos doctor and after 15 min it gave me an error saying sorry unable to reset your device
May 20 00:34:30 <PrimerFender> so sorry
May 20 00:35:09 <PrimerFender> is that where is it at now? or is there more?
May 20 00:35:57 <je2345> just went to palm website and am redling webdoctor
May 20 00:36:15 <PrimerFender> do you have a wall charger handy?
May 20 00:36:19 <je2345> yep
May 20 00:36:33 <PrimerFender> ok, take battery out, leave back cover off, and plug it into wall charger
May 20 00:36:34 <je2345> what does the big battery icon with lightning bolt mean? Low battery?
May 20 00:36:43 <PrimerFender> then try to turn it on and tell me what happens
May 20 00:37:16 <PrimerFender> i don't recall exactly, but for now I want to bypass it
May 20 00:37:32 <je2345> that battery icon with lightning bolt inside
May 20 00:39:12 <PrimerFender> hmmm
May 20 00:39:20 <PrimerFender> if I recall it should still turn on no problem
May 20 00:39:28 <PrimerFender> I am going to shutdown my pre and try to make sure
May 20 00:39:41 <je2345> ok
May 20 00:40:14 <PrimerFender> I get battery with question mark inside
May 20 00:40:52 <PrimerFender> so with the battery out, and plugged into wall charger, you get a lightning bolt instead?
May 20 00:41:11 <je2345> oooooppps....so sorrry....its question mark not lightning bolt
May 20 00:41:18 <PrimerFender> OK
May 20 00:41:27 <PrimerFender> were you getting lightning bolt berfore or question mark before?
May 20 00:41:40 <je2345> question mark
May 20 00:41:50 <PrimerFender> ok
May 20 00:41:53 <je2345> sorry....thats how pissed and frustrated i'am, cant even tell the difference
May 20 00:41:56 <je2345> lol
May 20 00:42:01 <PrimerFender> now I am going to leave my phone plugged in to wall charger
May 20 00:42:03 <PrimerFender> back cover off
May 20 00:42:05 <PrimerFender> and put in battery
May 20 00:42:08 <PrimerFender> THEN it should boot up
May 20 00:42:15 <je2345> this stuff is usually a piece of cake to me
May 20 00:42:21 <PrimerFender> now you try
May 20 00:42:29 <PrimerFender> palm logo facing you when you put battery in
May 20 00:42:33 <je2345> yep
May 20 00:43:26 <je2345> im real familiar with Android, Blackberry and Windows OS but Palm Pre Plus is my first WebOS
May 20 00:43:26 <PrimerFender> and?
May 20 00:43:33 <je2345> still at palm logo
May 20 00:43:38 <PrimerFender> on phone?
May 20 00:43:42 <je2345> yea
May 20 00:43:44 <PrimerFender> screen I mean?
May 20 00:43:49 <PrimerFender> ok so it's starting to boot up
May 20 00:43:53 <PrimerFender> from wall/battery
May 20 00:43:55 <PrimerFender> no computer
May 20 00:43:59 <PrimerFender> that's a start
May 20 00:44:01 <je2345> yep
May 20 00:44:33 <PrimerFender> btw, what's up with blackberry? I got a friend interested in one but I have no experience. is it pretty nice?
May 20 00:44:39 <je2345> will it start up after having an unsuccessful install from Webdoctor
May 20 00:44:54 <PrimerFender> depending on the stage the doctor was in, it should
May 20 00:45:00 <je2345> Blackberry is real nice, more for email of course
May 20 00:45:01 <PrimerFender> mine just came up
May 20 00:45:14 <je2345> Android is the best imo
May 20 00:45:24 <je2345> I have a Motorola Droid and HTC Droid Incredible also
May 20 00:45:27 <PrimerFender> and I am at launcher now so I am going to put cover back on
May 20 00:45:51 <PrimerFender> where is your phone at? palm logo?
May 20 00:45:55 <PrimerFender> does it glow at all?
May 20 00:46:01 <je2345> now it just came on with blue clouds and circle rotating and states phone offline
May 20 00:46:16 <PrimerFender> d'oh!
May 20 00:46:19 <PrimerFender> well it's on
May 20 00:46:24 <je2345> lol...but a dud now?
May 20 00:46:37 <PrimerFender> possibly
May 20 00:46:42 <je2345> damn
May 20 00:46:45 <PrimerFender> someone else was having a problem with phone offline
May 20 00:47:09 <je2345> yea i read on precentral its a common issue
May 20 00:47:16 <PrimerFender> but it also wasn't charging past a certain point/ wouldn't be detected by computer
May 20 00:47:36 <PrimerFender> are you able to get past the clouds?
May 20 00:47:39 <PrimerFender> whatever those art..
May 20 00:48:00 <je2345> now i just got an error: Phone Error: Your phone is experienceing an error that cannot be resolved
May 20 00:48:21 <PrimerFender> that sux
May 20 00:48:30 <PrimerFender> and you can't get past it?
May 20 00:49:16 <je2345> nope
May 20 00:49:34 <PrimerFender> and you couldn't get past this point before, correct?
May 20 00:51:30 <je2345> i never had this error before
May 20 00:51:50 <PrimerFender> ahh
May 20 00:51:56 <PrimerFender> is this verizon?
May 20 00:52:06 <je2345> yea
May 20 00:52:35 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, never heard of this one before.  Doesn't sound good!
May 20 00:53:35 <je2345> yea your telling me
May 20 00:53:42 <je2345> thanks for your help tho
May 20 00:57:20 <PrimerFender> I'm going to see if there is a command that can be run to re-engage phone/radio
May 20 00:57:36 <PrimerFender> but it looks like people are getting them warranty replaced, and even some of those are having the same problem
May 20 00:57:39 <Nyceane> anybody have a company in california?
May 20 00:58:22 <Nyceane> and filed it themselves instead of using legalzoom?
May 20 00:59:17 <PrimerFender> je2345: do you have a sim card in your phone?
May 20 01:00:33 <PrimerFender> i can't remember if verizon use them or not
May 20 01:04:42 <haeffb> no Verizon does not
May 20 01:24:03 <Jayhova> Is it possible to use a remote js file in a webos app?
May 20 01:33:14 <reality9110> Jayhova: yes
May 20 01:33:57 <Bmyers> hey Doc. You slumming with the webos crew tonight?
May 20 01:35:35 <Jayhova> reality9110: is it best to make script call to the file in the index.html between the head tags?
May 20 01:41:54 <haeffb> Bmyers: you slumming with the webos crew tonight?
May 20 01:42:06 <reality9110> Yes, I am
May 20 01:42:26 <reality9110> Jayhova: You can make the call wherever you want to
May 20 01:42:27 * haeffb thinks it sucks that I don't know how many DL's my new app has
May 20 01:42:39 <haeffb> wat up, doc?
May 20 01:42:41 <reality9110> Jayhova: I make calls like that during the splash screen
May 20 01:42:43 <reality9110> Not much
May 20 01:42:52 <reality9110> Just updating RadioTime
May 20 01:43:11 <reality9110> Need to make it fancy looking for the AT&T folks
May 20 01:43:48 <haeffb> still on target for $10k...nice.
May 20 01:43:57 <Bmyers> haeffb: just slumming..
May 20 01:44:04 <reality9110> A bit more than that
May 20 01:44:45 <haeffb> also nice. but a bonus is a bonus.
May 20 01:44:59 <reality9110> Ah, you mean Hot Apps, yes
May 20 01:46:04 <reality9110> When you're doing about $15,000 in ad revenue a month, you kind of lose track of the $10,000
May 20 01:46:23 <haeffb> Ok. I'll take it... :)
May 20 01:46:58 <reality9110> That's ok...
May 20 01:47:16 <reality9110> That's going to pay for my vacation
May 20 01:47:55 <haeffb> where to?
May 20 01:48:03 <reality9110> I plan on taking a month or two off completely
May 20 01:48:08 <reality9110> Probably France.
May 20 01:49:31 <reality9110> I'm a few weeks away from finalizing an offer
May 20 01:49:37 <reality9110> After that, it's moving time
May 20 01:49:41 <reality9110> And then, vacation time.
May 20 01:52:29 <haeffb> I'm thinking about taking a weekend or two off. Someday.
May 20 01:53:08 <reality9110> I worked just about every day for 30 some years.
May 20 01:53:48 <reality9110> And I'm getting up there in age so it's time to settle down.
May 20 01:54:14 <haeffb> Enjoy the fruits of the labors. And whatnot.
May 20 01:54:36 <reality9110> I'll enjoy the beach
May 20 01:55:26 <reality9110> And if Jen is around, no, not San Diego beach
May 20 01:56:02 <reality9110> That place is way too rich for my blood
May 20 01:56:37 <haeffb> wordpress is annoying me
May 20 01:56:49 <reality9110> So is WebOS
May 20 01:57:15 <haeffb> not it's not. Oh. You meant annoying you...
May 20 01:57:35 <reality9110> I just want an easy horizontal scrolling list
May 20 01:57:44 <reality9110> Without having to code in 50 lines of code
May 20 01:58:43 * haeffb doesn't have much experience with beaches.
May 20 01:59:21 <reality9110> I love them
May 20 02:00:44 <Bmyers> anyone know of a app catalog tracker type site that graphs downloads and is current?
May 20 02:01:07 <reality9110> There's one for Android that does WebOS as well.
May 20 02:01:29 <reality9110> http://www.cyrket.com/
May 20 02:01:59 <reality9110> I guess that one does all downloads though
May 20 02:02:04 <reality9110> Including upgrades
May 20 02:04:28 <haeffb> cryket doesn't yet have DL #'s for my app released yesterda.
May 20 02:05:41 <JenP> hi all!
May 20 02:05:46 <reality9110> Hey Jen
May 20 02:05:53 <JenP> doc! HI!
May 20 02:05:54 <reality9110> haeffb: Very telling...
May 20 02:07:31 <haeffb> I'm pretty sure it's being downloaded.
May 20 02:07:37 <reality9110> Hopefully
May 20 02:07:43 <reality9110> What is it?
May 20 02:07:55 <haeffb> it's got 17 reviews in 1.5 days.
May 20 02:07:55 <haeffb> Done!
May 20 02:08:17 <reality9110> Check your stats on the developer portal
May 20 02:08:39 <haeffb> but since Palm changed their DL counting for paid apps to "settled DL's" I don't have a way of determining how many DL's it's got yet.
May 20 02:08:56 <reality9110> What's a settled dl?
May 20 02:09:11 <haeffb> Palm has settled with CC company
May 20 02:09:20 <reality9110> Ah
May 20 02:09:31 <reality9110> Well, free app, so, obviously that doesn't apply
May 20 02:09:50 <haeffb> paid apps are a few days to a week behind
May 20 02:10:14 <reality9110> I have another app that could be a top one, but, I couldn't get licensing for it
May 20 02:10:39 <haeffb> JenP: hows the chart?
May 20 02:11:20 <JenP> idk cant really figure out how i want the data to display
May 20 02:11:46 <haeffb> that's why I suggested the Excel chart - you gotta figure that out first
May 20 02:13:37 <JenP> yes i see that now
May 20 02:13:45 <JenP> very good advice
May 20 02:14:49 <TheSavaLord> hi everyone
May 20 02:15:13 <Jayhova> reality9110: Sorry to bother you again. I am using regular script tags and it does not seem to render the js. Do I need to use the prototype library and ajax some how?
May 20 02:15:34 <JenP> haeffb were you the one using collapsable drawer in your lists?
May 20 02:16:11 <haeffb> in Myles, yes
May 20 02:16:25 <JenP> was it hard?
May 20 02:16:32 <JenP> i'm gonna try
May 20 02:16:59 <haeffb> wait, collapsible dividers? or drawers? I did drawers.
May 20 02:17:07 <JenP> drawers
May 20 02:17:40 <JenP> man i do love the way that app looks
May 20 02:18:08 <reality9110> Jayhova: Nope.  You can use regular script tags
May 20 02:18:09 <haeffb> drawers was only slightly tricky
May 20 02:18:23 <JenP> share?
May 20 02:19:54 <reality9110> Drawers are quite easy
May 20 02:20:02 <JenP> in rows?
May 20 02:20:26 <reality9110> Drawers aren't generally used in rows.
May 20 02:20:35 <reality9110> Those are collapsible dividers
May 20 02:21:19 <JenP> no i think in my case i want drawers...i use collapsible dividers in another card.
May 20 02:21:28 <JenP> thought it would be neat to play with drawers tonight
May 20 02:21:53 <haeffb> drawers in a list are slightly tricky.
May 20 02:22:10 <JenP> so what's the trick to them?
May 20 02:22:57 <reality9110> No real trick to them.  Just stick them in the div
May 20 02:23:23 <haeffb> JenP: http://www.pastie.org/968771
May 20 02:24:22 <JenP> wow...ok. well i wanted a challenge...
May 20 02:26:20 <haeffb> and the HTML: http://www.pastie.org/968775
May 20 02:27:04 <JenP> okiedokie
May 20 02:28:00 <Bmyers> i dont see where cryket graphs the download of my app
May 20 02:28:02 <haeffb> if listTap is on the icon or on the drawer (after it's opened), toggle the state of the drawer. Otherwise, push the edit scene to edit the entry.
May 20 02:28:13 <haeffb> it don't
May 20 02:28:48 <haeffb> if you load cyrket every day...and save the DL #...and then put it into a spreadsheet... :)
May 20 02:29:34 <haeffb> I think chofter's myWebosApps app does it, but only starting from the day you install his app.
May 20 02:30:27 <Bmyers> i suppose i could make it myself with my checkin data
May 20 02:30:39 <Bmyers> but that would be too useful
May 20 02:30:52 <Bmyers> maybe sugardave already wrote a script
May 20 02:30:58 <haeffb> oh, JenP: since widgets in a list shouldn't have ID's, you check by className
May 20 02:31:13 <haeffb> line 10 gives an array of the drawers in the list
May 20 02:31:13 <JenP> oh kk that makes more sense
May 20 02:31:43 <haeffb> where the index of the array of drawers corresponds to the index of the list elements.
May 20 02:32:09 <haeffb> that's the "slightly tricky" part
May 20 02:32:30 <JenP> oh yeah THAT'S  the tricky part
May 20 02:38:59 <haeffb> re: your chart. I would suggest a separate chart/line for each "emotion" and plot intensity vs. timestamp
May 20 02:39:28 <JenP> haeffb: yes that's kinda what I was thinking too. Thank you for the suggestion
May 20 02:39:36 <haeffb> or...
May 20 02:40:14 <haeffb> intensity vs. timestamp & a different color/something for each emotion
May 20 02:40:33 <JenP> that's what i did up in excel
May 20 02:41:04 <JenP> but i think i have to take away some of the emotions...maybe break it down to 5-6
May 20 02:41:15 <haeffb> that may be better. Cuz I'm not usually angry 5.0 and happy 6.3 at the same time.
May 20 02:41:38 <JenP> smiles..
May 20 02:41:55 <haeffb> unless I happen to like being angry
May 20 02:42:02 <JenP> lol
May 20 02:43:03 <Jayhova> reality9110: Well I am closer. I see the js rendered then the scene overites it. I need to get a better grasp on the life cycle.
May 20 02:44:06 <haeffb> so, today I attended a "safety awards" presentation...for employees with a 15+ year safety record (i.e. no accidents in 15+ years)
May 20 02:44:26 <Jayhova> reality9110: so then I tried to render in the scene-assistent.js and it renders the js but the rest of the scene does not render
May 20 02:44:29 <haeffb> each awardee had their picture taken accepting their framed certificate
May 20 02:44:51 <JenP> no one got hurt right?
May 20 02:44:55 <haeffb> & the lady taking pictures kept asking them to smile...with little or no success
May 20 02:45:03 <JenP> lol
May 20 02:45:38 <JenP> did you win an award?
May 20 02:45:38 <haeffb> until the one guy says..."you want to see my teeth?"
May 20 02:45:48 <TheSavaLord> lol
May 20 02:45:54 <haeffb> & pulls them out & holds them next to his mouth.
May 20 02:45:59 <JenP> OMG
May 20 02:46:02 <JenP> lol
May 20 02:46:12 <haeffb> ya, it was funny
May 20 02:47:11 <JenP> sounds like it
May 20 02:48:52 <haeffb> in a sorta weird "only in flyover country" way.
May 20 02:48:54 <TheSavaLord> lol gary senies using a palm pre to take pics and then send them to Hq
May 20 02:49:06 <TheSavaLord> on csiNY
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