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May 20 03:24:41 <LoneStar99> good evening everyone
May 20 03:46:46 <catalystmedia> Does anyone have some good resources for speeding up lists or for using itemsCallback?
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May 20 03:52:04 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: Not me, that'd be a great thing for webOS101.com. ;D
May 20 03:52:15 <Roy-Pre101> I don't think there's much on itemsCallback there.
May 20 03:52:44 <catalystmedia> I agree! I wish there were something there. There is very little documentation or examples for itemsCallback and I'm having a rough time gettting it working reliably :p
May 20 04:23:34 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: FYI: http://elinux.org/images/7/76/MPT-ELC-2010.pdf
May 20 04:24:01 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: random.pdf
May 20 04:24:32 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: "Engaging Developer Communities: Lessons and Opportunity from webOS"
May 20 04:24:43 <Roy-Pre101> :)
May 20 04:24:44 <Roy-Pre101> Thanks
May 20 04:25:09 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: Presented by Palm at ELC 2010
May 20 04:26:21 <Roy-Pre101> Nice
May 20 04:26:26 <Roy-Pre101> What's ELC 2010, btw?
May 20 04:26:34 <Roy-Pre101> He didn't mention webos101.com. :P
May 20 04:27:59 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: http://www.embeddedlinuxconference.com/
May 20 04:28:13 <rwhitby> webos101 doesn't have much Linux stuff on it, does it?
May 20 04:30:58 <Roy-Pre101> nope.
May 20 04:31:08 <Roy-Pre101> but he talked about SDK and PDK
May 20 04:31:26 <rwhitby> only as examples of stuff that runs on the Linux base ;)
May 20 04:34:53 <Roy-Pre101> This is freaky.
May 20 04:35:16 <Roy-Pre101> Linked In suggested I connect with the person who wrote the music I used in Match 'Em
May 20 04:35:35 <Roy-Pre101> I don't know that our names appear anywhere together other than in the credits scene of my app
May 20 04:43:44 <saurik> Bmyers, haeffb: I think I have that historical data; download count from the app catalog isn't really valuable, though, as it includes redownloads and upgrades
May 20 04:51:22 <Roy-Pre101> trolling LinkedIn for new contacts.
May 20 04:51:24 <rwhitby> saurik: I wonder why they do that, when they must have the data available to just count profiles that downloaded any version of an app instead of number of (re-)downloads.
May 20 04:56:05 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: They do.  Maybe to inflate download #'s?  Possibly because when they wrote it they never even considered it.   That is most likely since the whole App Catalog is slapdash anyhow.
May 20 05:50:11 <PrimerFender> that is an awesome presentation, whole slide just for preware hehe
May 20 06:13:21 <aGaTHoS> the palm SDK for linux is a shit
May 20 06:13:39 <aGaTHoS> linux is not ubuntu
May 20 06:15:00 <aGaTHoS> I can't even install a package because novacomd does not recognise my pre in my linux distro, should I have something specific compiled in the kernel?
May 20 06:15:15 <aGaTHoS> there are no requirements, only the way to install in ubuntu...
May 20 06:16:20 <aGaTHoS> webOS is linux-based but the most lack of support for the SDK and PDK is in linux...
May 20 06:18:24 <PrimerFender> Do you have Upstart instealled?
May 20 06:20:45 <aGaTHoS> ha
May 20 06:20:47 <aGaTHoS> yes
May 20 06:20:50 <rwhitby> aGaTHoS: to a commercial company wanting to choose to support a single version of linux, linux *is* ubuntu :)
May 20 06:21:00 <aGaTHoS> bbut upstart only execs novacomd
May 20 06:21:09 <aGaTHoS> i can manually exec novacomd
May 20 06:21:18 <PrimerFender> and it still doesn't connect?
May 20 06:21:44 <aGaTHoS> i plug my pre and it is not refcognized
May 20 06:22:08 <PrimerFender> do you know why?
May 20 06:22:43 <aGaTHoS> I have a laptop with ubuntu in which it works but when upgrading to 10 it crashes and now it is impossible to reinstall by some problems
May 20 06:22:50 <aGaTHoS> no
May 20 06:23:04 <aGaTHoS> I don't know if its a lack of a feature compiled in kernel
May 20 06:23:07 <aGaTHoS> or what
May 20 06:23:14 <aGaTHoS> but there is no information
May 20 06:23:19 <PrimerFender> yeah
May 20 06:24:01 <PrimerFender> what does udev say?
May 20 06:24:13 <aGaTHoS> on ly a  way of intall the sdk in ubuntu.... and there is still no pdk for linux, and webos-internals pdk requires ... ubuntu, because some of the requirementes are not avalilable on my distro
May 20 06:24:21 <aGaTHoS> udev recognizes
May 20 06:24:31 <aGaTHoS> May 20 07:18:14 ares usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 30
May 20 06:24:32 <aGaTHoS> May 20 07:18:14 ares usb 1-6: New USB device found, idVendor=0830, idProduct=8002
May 20 06:24:32 <aGaTHoS> May 20 07:18:14 ares scsi29 : usb-storage 1-6:2.0
May 20 06:24:32 <aGaTHoS> May 20 07:18:19 ares scsi 29:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Palm     Pre              0000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
May 20 06:24:55 <rwhitby> aGaTHoS: just install ubuntu 9.10 in a virtual machine and use that
May 20 06:25:02 <aGaTHoS> I've tried
May 20 06:25:04 <aGaTHoS> but
May 20 06:25:08 <PrimerFender> i wonder how that differs from your from your ubuntu udev output
May 20 06:25:13 <PrimerFender> if at all
May 20 06:25:18 <aGaTHoS> the same
May 20 06:25:28 <aGaTHoS> and even now
May 20 06:25:36 <aGaTHoS> I've reinstalled my distro recently
May 20 06:25:42 <aGaTHoS> and cant compile kvm
May 20 06:25:50 <PrimerFender> btw, what dist do you use?
May 20 06:25:56 <rwhitby> use virtualbox then
May 20 06:26:12 <aGaTHoS> it has too much requirements
May 20 06:26:16 <aGaTHoS> including qt
May 20 06:26:26 <aGaTHoS> an SDK should be basic
May 20 06:26:36 <aGaTHoS> an standard
May 20 06:27:07 <aGaTHoS> so i think finally i'm not going to develope webos apps ...
May 20 06:28:14 <rwhitby> yep, sounds like you're not prepared to use the right tools to do it.
May 20 06:28:18 <PrimerFender> I don't use linux as my main os, and I had a spare netbook, so I threw ubuntu 10.4 on it and had no problems.
May 20 06:28:50 <PrimerFender> It only has an 8GB hard drive, and I'm sure you could fit a virtual machine with on something even smaller than that on your host computer
May 20 06:29:08 <aGaTHoS> I use linux for a decade, I'm not going to move to windows nor ubuntu, a linux SDK should be more standard
May 20 06:29:34 <rwhitby> aGaTHoS: well, you need to decide whether you want to spend your time bending the world to your viewpoint, or whether you want to develop webOS apps ...
May 20 06:29:56 <rwhitby> an OS is just a tool, not an end in itself.
May 20 06:30:09 <PrimerFender> lol, i have found in my limited experience, that there is nothing standard about anything, especially linux
May 20 06:30:20 <PrimerFender> unless you just want to compile EVERYTHING from source, of course
May 20 06:30:29 <PrimerFender> but even then, WHAT you compile is YOUR choirce
May 20 06:30:37 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: then you get Gentoo, which is the least standard system :)
May 20 06:30:38 <aGaTHoS> I'm trying to install ubuntu on the laptop but there is no java for 10 version, all are problems!!!
May 20 06:31:17 <PrimerFender> java for ubuntu 10.4 ?
May 20 06:31:17 <aGaTHoS> my distro is source based
May 20 06:31:32 <aGaTHoS> i can compile or make a new module if needed
May 20 06:31:40 <aGaTHoS> for whatever is necessary
May 20 06:31:46 <aGaTHoS> but there is no information
May 20 06:32:01 <aGaTHoS> the SDK it just works con ubuntu ...
May 20 06:32:07 <rwhitby> heh, you think a company with limited resources is going to support a source based distro?
May 20 06:32:08 <PrimerFender> yeah, novacom is made by palm as I am told, i doubt it would be avilable
May 20 06:32:22 <aGaTHoS> but have they any idea of what is really needed?
May 20 06:32:35 <aGaTHoS> why novacomd does not recognize my pre?
May 20 06:32:41 <PrimerFender> but hmm...java yes i could see that being a problem
May 20 06:33:13 <aGaTHoS> but webOS is linux!!!
May 20 06:33:35 <PrimerFender> the core os is, but the services that sit on top are actually java based, as I have recently learned
May 20 06:33:40 <aGaTHoS> how can they make a linux-based OS and give sush a support for linux?
May 20 06:33:49 <PrimerFender> and on top of the services are the applications, which hook in via javascript
May 20 06:34:01 <rwhitby> aGaTHoS: you keep referring to Linux as a single entity.  it is not.
May 20 06:34:11 <aGaTHoS> ok so they used linux because its free, but they dont have really linux experts...
May 20 06:34:28 <rwhitby> oh dear, now you're really going off the deep end
May 20 06:36:39 <aGaTHoS> i don't even need the emulator only a way to install the ipk package on the pre but its impossible
May 20 06:38:05 <PrimerFender> like rwhitby said, for what you want to do, it sounds like the path of least resistance is to install ubuntu 9.10, or hell, maybe even a live cd work would lol
May 20 06:38:39 <rwhitby> aGaTHoS: yes, it's impossible if you refuse to use the supported host OS configuration
May 20 06:38:41 <PrimerFender> or maybe you have a flash drive you can install it on to, and only boot off the flash drive when you want to do pre stuff
May 20 06:39:42 <aGaTHoS> well i can try to reinstall ubuntu 9.10 if i found
May 20 06:39:54 <aGaTHoS> because I've only found the new version on inet
May 20 06:52:07 <PrimerFender> i just fired up my netbook which has 10.4 and installed novacom (developer.palm.com / step 5) and it works
May 20 06:53:41 <aGaTHoS> ok
May 20 06:54:04 <geist> yeah, novacomd should work on newer ubuntus
May 20 06:54:10 <PrimerFender> and if i go into synaptic package manager i can find sun-java6
May 20 06:54:29 <geist> if it failed it's probably some upstart or init thing or whatnot
May 20 06:54:31 <PrimerFender> java -version reports 1.6.0_20
May 20 06:54:33 <geist> but you can of course also sudo novacomd
May 20 06:55:32 <aGaTHoS> I going to try if it doesn't reboot continuosly because it has thermal fan problems but when installed ubuntu 9.10 it stopped but with new version it fails again... :S I only have the most absurd problems
May 20 06:57:59 <PrimerFender> as cute as ubuntu is, it's a full linux setup. i was able to use the webOS Internals SDK to cross-compile apache, and it never complained that it was all on a netbook heh
May 20 13:49:36 <sugardave> aGaTHoS: Palm SDK works on Ubunto 10.04, as well
May 20 13:49:50 <sugardave> I'm running it on a 64-bit system
May 20 13:50:11 <sugardave> that would be Ubuntu
May 20 13:50:14 <sugardave> not Ubunto
May 20 13:58:19 <warpdesign_> hello
May 20 13:58:35 <warpdesign_> what would be the equivalent of jQuery's append() with Mojo ?
May 20 14:06:24 <HattCzech> have you tried .append()?
May 20 14:07:10 <warpdesign_> no
May 20 14:07:13 <warpdesign_> I'll try that
May 20 14:07:17 <HattCzech> give it a shot
May 20 14:07:34 <HattCzech> i know there's an insert, but not sure if that's the same
May 20 14:09:38 <warpdesign_> doesn't work
May 20 14:09:44 <warpdesign_> I know of update()
May 20 14:09:50 <warpdesign_> but it replaces the whole content
May 20 14:20:02 <HattCzech> yeah, i usually use update
May 20 14:20:11 <HattCzech> i haven't needed to append yet
May 20 14:43:07 <santeri> .concat?
May 20 14:55:42 <Chriswebos> is there a way to set a timeout from inside the appcontroller?
May 20 15:06:38 <warpdesign_> santeri: I'll try that too :) but is there a page with the list of methods ?
May 20 15:06:41 <warpdesign_> would be easier :)
May 20 15:14:32 <haeffb_pre> prototype.js.org
May 20 15:25:15 <warpdesign_> get is supposed to return a DOM element, not a prototype one
May 20 15:25:19 <warpdesign_> or did i miss something ?
May 20 15:27:22 <warpdesign_> hmm.. I get it, mojo automatically extends returned objects.. I see.. but better no mix jQuery and Prototype in that case..
May 20 15:31:33 <Bmyers> hi haeffb_pre
May 20 15:32:08 <Bmyers> hows done! doing? get any stats yet?
May 20 15:32:39 <haeffb_pre> not yet. 17 ratings, mostly good...
May 20 15:34:08 <Bmyers> should be a good thing
May 20 15:35:31 <Bmyers> 17k dl's on GR. You download it yet haeffb_pre?
May 20 15:35:49 <LoneStar99> morning all
May 20 15:35:59 <Chriswebos> does anyone do any settimeouts? I am trying to do it from the appcontroller
May 20 15:36:00 <sugardave> element.innerHTML += 'appended crap' won't work?
May 20 15:36:18 <sugardave> warpdesign_: ^^^^^
May 20 15:42:14 <haeffb_pre> yes...
May 20 15:43:01 <haeffb_pre> Chriswebos, what's the problem?
May 20 15:44:06 <Chriswebos> Well, I do a settimeout to make sure an async algorithm continues...I do this in  a scene: this.intervalID = this.controller.window.setTimeout(this.updateTimer1.bind(this), 2500);
May 20 15:44:06 <Chriswebos> 	
May 20 15:44:19 <Chriswebos> updatetimer1 restarts the process
May 20 15:44:38 <Chriswebos> I need to be able to do this in the appcontroller, in case the app isn't running...
May 20 15:44:59 <Chriswebos> however, there's no scene controller if the app isn't running
May 20 15:45:33 <Chriswebos> is there another method to do a settimeout? from my understanding, alarms can only be done 5 minutes out...i need something on the order of seconds
May 20 15:46:01 <Chriswebos> and I also need to be able to clear it if my async function comes back in time
May 20 15:46:45 <haeffb_pre> have you tried just setTimeout ?
May 20 15:46:58 <warpdesign_> sugardave: it will, but i'd rather use a method for that.. guess direct modification with innerHTML will be depreciated
May 20 15:47:09 <warpdesign_> I  found it, it's insert()
May 20 15:47:15 <Chriswebos> no...i didn't...
May 20 15:47:33 <Chriswebos> let me give that a try real quick..
May 20 15:55:32 <LoneStar99> anyone deal images larger than the device screen?
May 20 15:55:54 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign: Where did you hear innerHTML will be deprecated?
May 20 15:55:55 <Chriswebos> haeffb_pre: thanks!! I've been doing alot more than needed all this time...wow
May 20 15:56:08 <MetaView> hi
May 20 15:56:35 <Roy-Pre101> Chriswebos: Check out webos101.com   ;)
May 20 15:57:16 <Chriswebos> I have...didn't look there for this, but it helped with my multistage stuff and my widgets in a list problem :d
May 20 15:57:19 <Chriswebos> :D
May 20 15:59:23 <Roy-Pre101> Chriswebos: Anything that you've wanted to know but wasn't there, please add.
May 20 16:00:21 <Chriswebos> Roy-Pre101: yeah, i saw the new layout, and looked at some of the pages that could use some updating. I may try to write a few things in the next couple of days
May 20 16:00:58 <Roy-Pre101> Nice!
May 20 16:01:11 <Chriswebos> gotta go now, but thanx guys
May 20 16:01:14 <Roy-Pre101> They layout needs more work.  Just not many people interested in the layout so much.
May 20 16:01:45 <Chriswebos> i actually like the new layout...i think it looks fine
May 20 16:04:14 <warpdesign_> is there a JS JIT in webos ?
May 20 16:04:22 <HattCzech> warpdesign_: so insert is like append?
May 20 16:04:33 <HattCzech> or you just choose to put the data at the end?
May 20 16:07:57 <warpdesign_> HattCzech: insert can append string/obj anywhere: top, bottom, above, below your object (and all 4 at the same time if you wish ;))
May 20 16:08:22 <HattCzech> okay, good to know
May 20 16:09:55 <warpdesign_> yes
May 20 16:11:14 <warpdesign_> how does updating of apps work on webos ? is there something builtin for that ?
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May 20 16:18:59 <warpdesign_> ok
May 20 16:19:17 <warpdesign_> but I can't automatically download/update app from within my app, right ?
May 20 16:19:42 <sugardave> if you design it that way, but not provided in the framework
May 20 16:20:42 <warpdesign_> I mean: isn't it forbidden for an app to download/install other apps (security concerns) ?
May 20 16:21:12 <sugardave> not sure if it's forbidden to update the same app....probably so for downloading new apps, etc.
May 20 16:29:01 <warpdesign_> sugardave: there is an interesting post about checking for new version here http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=88c7996e7b557f53589d3cae8821b871&lastaction=login&f=11&t=7141&p=30785#p30785
May 20 16:29:10 <warpdesign_> but no one is talking about update
May 20 16:29:14 <HattCzech> not sure how much updating
May 20 16:29:57 <MetaView> you could check how preware does it, but it might be not be includable in the AppCat
May 20 16:31:55 <warpdesign_> when creating a developper account, there is an option to check "open source developper".. it says it cannot be changed later
May 20 16:32:03 <warpdesign_> what if I want to release open source apps later ?
May 20 16:32:10 <warpdesign_> I'll have to create a new account ?
May 20 16:32:53 <MetaView> yes
May 20 16:35:06 <warpdesign_> ok
May 20 16:40:14 <sugardave> warpdesign: that post is just a framework the person made to check for an update and it will not do the update itself....when I'm talking about an app that can update itself, I'm not necessarily considering the app catalog method of updates.  Basically, you could write an app that can receive updates to itself from your cloud, but you'd pretty much be limited to releasing it once in the app catalog and handling ALL app updates yours
May 20 16:49:34 <MetaView> how to catch the back gesture?
May 20 16:50:41 <MetaView> ok, found it, I was missing event.preventDefault()
May 20 17:11:03 <warpdesign> sugardave: I know it's just a check :)
May 20 17:11:24 <ErlyD> hello everyone
May 20 17:11:43 <warpdesign> sugardave: sure, but since the system doesn't provide such a method I don't have the choice..
May 20 17:11:45 <ErlyD> Is it possible to create a basic socket connection in a webos app
May 20 17:11:49 <ErlyD> ?
May 20 17:12:03 <ErlyD> and send a command?
May 20 17:13:47 <warpdesign> hmm.. can system sounds be customized ? If not, is there a way to retrieve (ie: download) them from the emulator
May 20 17:14:08 <warpdesign> (since I don't have a real device, I have no way to see how they sound..)
May 20 17:16:21 <MetaView> ErlyD: no, only http
May 20 17:16:39 <MetaView> warpdesign: yes, you can, but they are pcm files
May 20 17:16:52 <warpdesign> MetaView: no problem, that's ok for me
May 20 17:16:52 <MetaView> you can download, but not customize
May 20 17:16:58 <warpdesign> where are the files located ?
May 20 17:17:01 <warpdesign> that's fine to me
May 20 17:17:08 <MetaView> something with framework, IIRC
May 20 17:17:11 <warpdesign> I will see if default sounds can fit in my game
May 20 17:17:24 <warpdesign> that way I could get rid of the sound lag
May 20 17:17:29 <MetaView> works for some games
May 20 17:17:32 <MetaView> I use them too
May 20 17:17:55 <MetaView> you might also unpack a webos doctor image
May 20 17:18:22 <MetaView> there is an OS image inside, there you can find the sounds, don't ask me for the exact path
May 20 17:21:09 <warpdesign> ok, found them
May 20 17:21:24 <warpdesign> it's i /usr/share/systemsounds
May 20 17:21:27 <warpdesign> in*
May 20 17:23:17 <ErlyD> thank you
May 20 17:23:30 <ErlyD> will that be available in future?
May 20 17:23:50 <warpdesign> when I'm done with this app I'm going to write a huge faq with common problems :)
May 20 18:06:26 <Nyceane> hey, is the app store down?
May 20 18:06:28 <Nyceane> again?
May 20 18:07:34 <ErlyD> NOPE
May 20 18:08:49 <Nyceane> wow, I was getting 2 downloads per minute to like no downloads for past 20 minutes =_=
May 20 18:13:20 <warpdesign> hmm.. actually it's not that easy to play pcm files..
May 20 18:13:25 <warpdesign> I have yet to find a player..
May 20 18:17:20 <MetaView> the system sounds are partly removed in the next OS, don't know why, but heard about, hopefully they will put them back before official release
May 20 18:19:03 <warpdesign> oh really ?
May 20 18:19:14 <warpdesign> no need to add support for something that will be removed then :)
May 20 18:27:19 <MetaView> I hope they will put them all back
May 20 18:31:38 <warpdesign> yes
May 20 18:33:30 <phil_bw> woohoo, my first program actually works!  Always a good feeling...
May 20 18:50:44 <pandora--> woo!
May 20 18:53:20 <pandora--> i can't believe NoBAMA is back in the "What's new"
May 20 18:53:34 <pandora--> whoever wrote that app is really abusing the update system
May 20 18:53:55 <MetaView> UberCalendar pathc is 50kb ....
May 20 18:54:10 <MetaView> what's added?
May 20 18:54:22 <pandora--> hm?
May 20 18:54:52 <MetaView> what did they add to this stupid NoBama app?
May 20 18:55:03 <MetaView> they probably don't tell
May 20 18:55:14 <pandora--> nothing
May 20 18:55:19 <pandora--> the description never changes
May 20 18:55:40 <pandora--> they just do something to bump it back into 'whats new' for more downloads
May 20 18:55:48 <MetaView> yes
May 20 18:56:10 <MetaView> something I should also do over the weekend :D
May 20 18:56:16 <pandora--> heh
May 20 18:56:33 <MetaView> ok, ok, I add some new features first
May 20 18:58:40 <MetaView> Ok, time to submit UberCalendar to the feed
May 20 18:58:53 <MetaView> someone could create some icons for it
May 20 18:59:58 <MetaView> birthday, car, kids, doctor, plane, holiday, vacation, party
May 20 19:00:03 <MetaView> size 12x12
May 20 19:13:49 <HattCzech> it pains me to see that the nobama creator will be getting $1000
May 20 19:14:25 <HattCzech> oh, nevermind
May 20 19:14:36 <HattCzech> they're not in the top 221
May 20 19:14:58 <sugardave> make a "Days without a dumbass leading the USA" and set a counter from when GW left
May 20 19:15:08 <sugardave> it will also be popular
May 20 19:16:26 <HattCzech> hahahah
May 20 19:16:29 <HattCzech> brilliant!
May 20 19:16:46 <HattCzech> politics is just horrible overall
May 20 19:16:56 <HattCzech> i'm not sure if anything ever gets accomplished
May 20 19:17:45 <sugardave> I'm thinking about making a "Death Panel" watch app.  It will have a running tally of how many people were unplugged after the socialist healthcare system became ensconced
May 20 19:17:51 <sugardave> it will always have "0"
May 20 19:18:33 <sugardave> HattCzech: and, no, nothing gets accomjplished....well, nothing that's actually good for the "people"
May 20 19:18:45 <HattCzech> yeah
May 20 19:18:50 <HattCzech> it's good for the people in office
May 20 19:18:58 <HattCzech> rarely for the people they represent
May 20 19:19:07 <HattCzech> (unless they represent companies, then that works)
May 20 19:20:22 <sugardave> I will stop now before the chat erupts in a huge flamewar or dies completely
May 20 19:20:36 <HattCzech> hehehe, good idea
May 20 19:21:31 * HattCzech waits for app approval
May 20 19:21:58 * HattCzech then waits to not get the minimum downloads for some prize money
May 20 19:52:03 <pandora--> hehehe
May 20 19:52:05 <pandora--> good call
May 20 19:57:49 <MetaView> it's terible, I bought the settlers and since then I have even less time, as I have to play this time-consuming game...
May 20 19:58:49 <MetaView> but reminds me on the days I was porting UAE to Palm OS and playing Settlers in the Amiga version every day
May 20 19:59:00 <MetaView> on a Zodiac
May 20 20:13:49 <warpdesign> hmm.. uae is nice
May 20 20:13:56 <warpdesign> is there any webos port of uae btw ?
May 20 20:14:39 <MetaView> not yet
May 20 20:19:39 <jdforsythe> hey guys anyone working with the palm app feeds?
May 20 20:19:56 <jdforsythe> i was wondering if there was a way to query for xml for just a particular app?
May 20 20:20:13 <jdforsythe> grabbing a 30+MB feed for a version number seems kinda ridiculous
May 20 20:20:36 <jdforsythe> especially since I'd really want to query all 3 feeds...
May 20 20:21:07 <jdforsythe> i already tried the obvious
May 20 20:21:46 <jdforsythe> http://developer.palm.com/rss/D/appcatalog.rss.xml?packageid=
May 20 20:21:49 <jdforsythe> doesn't work
May 20 20:23:16 <haeffb_pre> could you get the webchannel html page & grab version there instead?
May 20 20:23:34 <sugardave> what is UAE (besides United Arab Emirates)
May 20 20:23:35 <warpdesign> 30mb ? sounds like big indeed :)
May 20 20:23:35 <sugardave> ?
May 20 20:25:46 <warpdesign> An open source (c-based) Amiga emulator
May 20 20:26:08 <warpdesign> originally written for unix, now mostly developped for windows, and ported across almost every platform
May 20 20:26:25 <sugardave> cool...I have an old 1K sitting around somewhere, but got it just before I left for college so I never played with it
May 20 20:26:36 <jdforsythe> yea i can.. but it would be much simpler to just get it from the feeds
May 20 20:27:10 <jdforsythe> I was thinking about using YQL but I'm trying to avoid requiring a web server, and from what I understand, you need to have an xml file on your server to do custom tables
May 20 20:27:51 <warpdesign> sugardave: that's too bad :)
May 20 20:28:07 <warpdesign> sugardave: some people may pay a lot for that kind of computer, you know ? :)
May 20 20:28:10 <jdforsythe> yea the main app catalog feed is currently 39.2MB and growing
May 20 20:28:24 <warpdesign> that's huge
May 20 20:28:27 <jdforsythe> i know
May 20 20:28:27 <sugardave> I know, that's why I still have it and my 1st-gen C-128
May 20 20:28:34 <warpdesign> sugardave: he he :)
May 20 20:28:38 <warpdesign> sugardave: nice !
May 20 20:28:55 <sugardave> I am missing a PS for that, though
May 20 20:29:07 <sugardave> I looked around a few years ago and you can still get them
May 20 20:29:12 <warpdesign> jdforsythe: hmm.. I was about to use it to check for new versions of my app, but I think I'll find some other way :)
May 20 20:29:23 <warpdesign> really ? that's nice
May 20 20:29:43 <MetaView> I throw my CD32 in the garbage some years ago, guess it had still some value on ebay
May 20 20:29:55 <pandora--> woo my app is finally back in the store after yesterday's mixup
May 20 20:30:13 <pandora--> TuneWiki Lyrics Search back for sale :)
May 20 20:30:30 <HattCzech> pandora--: i'll take a free copy ;)
May 20 20:30:33 <HattCzech> hahah
May 20 20:30:50 <MetaView> hm, lyric search? but for sale.. I'm not that big singer :d
May 20 20:30:50 <warpdesign> MetaView: oh yes
May 20 20:30:54 <warpdesign> MetaView: people are crazy
May 20 20:30:57 <MetaView> yes
May 20 20:31:08 <pandora--> heh
May 20 20:31:11 <MetaView> I stil have a A1200 with BVision and 630 PPC card
May 20 20:31:13 <warpdesign> MetaView: recently an empty amiga case was sold for hundreds of euros.. that's crazy
May 20 20:31:18 <HattCzech> i like the concept, but google usually works well ;)
May 20 20:31:20 <pandora--> maybe I'll do a free ad-supported one
May 20 20:31:30 <pandora--> HattCzech: you can also just use www.tunewiki.com
May 20 20:31:31 <pandora--> :)
May 20 20:31:38 <pandora--> we have the largest lyrics library of anyone
May 20 20:31:43 <HattCzech> awesome
May 20 20:31:49 <HattCzech> i will keep that in mind
May 20 20:31:49 <pandora--> about 2.5 million songs, legally licensed
May 20 20:31:56 <warpdesign> MetaView: nice.. since you know about ppc you're an old one ;) most people left very early, even before the aga generation
May 20 20:32:05 <MetaView> would like some guitare tabs too
May 20 20:32:36 <MetaView> warpdesign: yes, used it until 2002
May 20 20:32:38 <pandora--> heh sorry, no can do there
May 20 20:32:57 <MetaView> the BVision and PPC card came just as I started to leave the system
May 20 20:33:17 <MetaView> I never got this setup working correctly
May 20 20:33:30 <MetaView> even have Quake PPC version for Amiga
May 20 20:33:39 <MetaView> well, maybe I sold this CD
May 20 20:33:42 <warpdesign> MetaView: I see. I mostly left 3 years ago
May 20 20:33:47 <warpdesign> yeah
May 20 20:33:48 <MetaView> oh
May 20 20:33:53 <warpdesign> now you even can play Quake 3
May 20 20:33:57 <MetaView> do you know MetaView ?
May 20 20:34:13 <warpdesign> it ring some bells, but can't remember exactly
May 20 20:34:16 <warpdesign> rings*
May 20 20:36:31 <MetaView> a vector gfx converter for Amiga
May 20 20:36:50 <warpdesign> ok
May 20 20:36:57 <warpdesign> so you developped amiga stuff too ?
May 20 20:37:25 <MetaView> http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jonash/noframe_english.html
May 20 20:37:30 <MetaView> yes, I did
May 20 20:40:54 <warpdesign> ah yes, I remember now
May 20 20:42:44 <warpdesign> have you heard about new amiga os ?
May 20 20:46:53 <MetaView> I hear of it from time to time, but don't really follow it
May 20 20:48:37 <rolsworth> i wonder when palm will announce a new device
May 20 20:49:55 <rolsworth> if they ever do
May 20 20:50:26 <MetaView> they will for sure, but I guess not before the buy-out is over
May 20 20:50:31 <Tibfib> I wonder if a slate or pre2 will come next
May 20 20:50:38 <MetaView> a slate I guess
May 20 20:50:44 * Tibfib is getting both regardless :)
May 20 20:50:44 <warpdesign> yeah, I'm wondering too
May 20 20:51:18 <warpdesign> MetaView: when it was released, I was real interested.. but since they were only interested at compatibility and looking behind, I lost interest
May 20 20:53:00 <catalystmedia> Tibfib: I figured out a way to get emoticons working. When you run Mojo.Format.runTextIndexer does it at least parse out the smileys, but not show the image?
May 20 20:53:46 <Tibfib> catalystmedia: on emu, nope, having tried on device
May 20 20:54:15 <Tibfib> haven't*
May 20 20:55:47 <catalystmedia> Tibfib: If you try it and it does strip them out and leaves them with an image (but one you don't have access to) let me know and I'll show you how to get it working.
May 20 20:56:24 <MetaView> emoticons      Boolean      Optional      FALSE      Enable emoticons on this field
May 20 20:57:32 <Tibfib> is that it?
May 20 20:57:44 <Tibfib> doesn't work on my emu. (restarting pre for dev mode)
May 20 20:57:55 <catalystmedia> No, that is for text fields I believe
May 20 20:58:00 <MetaView> yes
May 20 20:58:03 <catalystmedia> Not for the runTextIndexer
May 20 20:58:05 <Tibfib> how would that work?
May 20 20:58:24 <Tibfib> Like the emoticons should show up in the textfield?
May 20 20:59:01 <catalystmedia> No you don't use a textfield. You can enable emoticons in rich text fields, but that's not what I did/am talking about
May 20 20:59:24 <MetaView> you taslk about this: Searches the parameter text for URLs (web and mailto) and emoticons (if support is enabled) and returns a new string with those entities replaced by HTML links and images (respectively).
May 20 20:59:24 <Tibfib> catalystmedia: what is the solution?
May 20 20:59:59 <catalystmedia> Well I'll let ya know, but first it has to at least replace the text with images. If that happens then I'll pastie the code!
May 20 21:00:29 <Tibfib> mmkay, but first I need to go buy a pre charging cord... BOTH of mine are broken. bbiab
May 20 21:02:32 <catalystmedia> Ok well, here's what I did once Palm.System.runTextIndexer was replacing the images: http://pastie.org/970145
May 20 21:03:11 <Tibfib> catalystmedia: well done, thanks. you should update the topic to get the credit for the discovery
May 20 21:04:29 <Tibfib> +33+
May 20 21:04:57 <catalystmedia> I'll try... I'm super busy lately :p If you can get it working, then let me know and I'll post it. I'm just not sure if it works for other apps yet, but it worked for mine.
May 20 21:26:55 <HattCzech> what's the step in app submission after "ready for review"
May 20 21:27:00 <HattCzech> "being reviewed"?
May 20 21:27:27 <HattCzech> chuqui: you around?
May 20 21:27:41 <chuqui> um... maybe?
May 20 21:28:08 <HattCzech> what are the steps in app submission?
May 20 21:30:29 <chuqui> I prefer a nice charleston myself.
May 20 21:30:50 <chuqui> but if you're a contry fan, a little two step works.
May 20 21:30:58 <chuqui> (I know. I know. NOT HELPING)
May 20 21:32:23 <chuqui> once you submit, it goes into "ready for review" it'll sit there until it'as assigned to a person and reviews. chances are, it'll get published before you see another state change.
May 20 21:33:16 <chuqui> with google I/O, some of our reviewers are manning the booth up there, so things may be slower than normal
May 20 21:33:49 <chuqui> (watever you do, don't call @adora a booth bunny to her face, not if you want to live)
May 20 21:33:58 <Tibfib_away> HattCzech: iirc, ready for review, being reviewed, approved
May 20 21:34:32 <HattCzech> thanks, Tibfib_away
May 20 21:35:08 <HattCzech> and thanks chuqui
May 20 21:35:26 <chuqui> np. always try to be as unhelpful as possible as often as possible.
May 20 21:35:31 <HattCzech> if only you could move mine to the top of the queue ;)
May 20 21:36:06 <chuqui> that requires a chicken and four black candles.
May 20 21:36:24 <HattCzech> i'm not that good at voodoo, so i'll have to pass
May 20 21:38:34 <HattCzech> what gets done in a review?
May 20 21:38:45 <HattCzech> code checking or functionality or both?
May 20 21:42:08 * haeffb assumes little or no code checking
May 20 21:42:23 <Tibfib> I assume so as well.
May 20 21:42:26 <MetaView> me too
May 20 21:42:40 <MetaView> maybe they check for private apis?
May 20 21:42:48 <Tibfib> they just check com.palm
May 20 21:42:50 <MetaView> some grep over the code
May 20 21:43:07 <Tibfib> that's where all the private apis they don't want us to use are.
May 20 21:44:23 <Tibfib> at least that's what makes sense. I could be way off
May 20 21:44:37 <MetaView> I guess you're right
May 20 21:45:35 <haeffb> anybody experience cookie corruption?
May 20 21:46:23 <MetaView> nope
May 20 21:46:31 <MetaView> but you never can trust them
May 20 21:46:55 <MetaView> I usually always pretent they are broken, for the first start they are
May 20 21:47:32 <haeffb> I have default values for everything. But a user lost all her prefs yesterday - seems like the cookie was crumbled.
May 20 21:48:18 <MetaView> that's bad
May 20 21:49:36 <Tibfib> cookies are still good after they crumble.
May 20 21:49:46 <Tibfib> a bit messy, but good nonetheless
May 20 21:55:02 <MetaView> well, I'm off, g'night
May 20 22:07:06 <HattCzech> haeffb: what type of info are you storing in cookies?
May 20 22:07:17 <HattCzech> the chocolate chip kind of info?
May 20 22:07:35 <Bmyers> mmmmmm, cookies..
May 20 22:08:13 <haeffb> preferences values
May 20 22:10:35 <HattCzech> how much information are you storing in there?
May 20 22:10:47 <Bmyers> 220 myles
May 20 22:11:09 <HattCzech> and how many cookies are you using? just one? or multiple? (like one for each setting)
May 20 22:11:58 <haeffb> good question.
May 20 22:12:19 <Nyceane> anybody at google io?
May 20 22:12:24 <Nyceane> any annoucement for ADC3?
May 20 22:12:51 <haeffb> In this particular app, there's just a small amount of data
May 20 22:12:58 <haeffb> one cookie.
May 20 22:13:45 <haeffb> 13 variables
May 20 22:13:58 <HattCzech> how much information can be stored in the variables?
May 20 22:14:13 <HattCzech> well, let me just cut to the chase...
May 20 22:14:23 <HattCzech> cookies can only store small amounts of information
May 20 22:14:31 <sugardave> 4K in Mojo, I think
May 20 22:14:39 <HattCzech> i tried using cookies for my txt manager app and quickly had to change the storage method
May 20 22:14:41 <haeffb> 4k is correct
May 20 22:15:01 <HattCzech> my app relied on user configuration
May 20 22:15:02 <haeffb> theoretically, the variables could be infinitely long. In practice, should be << 4k
May 20 22:15:08 <HattCzech> so you had users and settings associated with them
May 20 22:15:26 <HattCzech> after about 10 users, it crapped out
May 20 22:15:45 <sugardave> right, I think it's 4K across all the cookies
May 20 22:15:48 * haeffb will start considering storing prefs in DB rather than cookies. But cookies are so darn handy.
May 20 22:15:50 <HattCzech> so i switched to the depot method
May 20 22:15:59 <HattCzech> i do depot db
May 20 22:16:09 * haeffb already has SQLite DB in the app
May 20 22:16:09 <HattCzech> didn't go the full sql db route
May 20 22:16:25 <Bmyers> haeffb isnt there a preference do-hikie thing for prefs?
May 20 22:16:30 <HattCzech> then you might want to store your settings in there
May 20 22:16:44 <haeffb> DB is asynchronous, though, which overly complicates preferences.
May 20 22:16:53 <HattCzech> agreed
May 20 22:17:03 <sugardave> nah
May 20 22:17:13 <Bmyers> prefs dont work well in db
May 20 22:17:32 <Bmyers> when you needs your prefs, u usually need them NOW
May 20 22:17:36 <haeffb> for instance, if I use prefs in setupWidget, I have to perform the setupWidget in the onSuccess of the getFromDB
May 20 22:17:46 <Bmyers> not later on sometime, maybe
May 20 22:18:03 <HattCzech> do what i do...
May 20 22:18:12 <HattCzech> get your preferences in the app assistant
May 20 22:18:17 <sugardave> you use a cookie to store the "last user" info, and pull their prefs from the db on app start
May 20 22:18:20 <HattCzech> then call the launch card once you have them
May 20 22:18:21 <sugardave> easy-peasy
May 20 22:18:38 <Bmyers> easy-peasy?
May 20 22:18:51 <Bmyers> that reminds me..
May 20 22:19:03 <Bmyers> you need to dl guyrules sugardave
May 20 22:19:15 <sugardave> I have it :P
May 20 22:19:15 <HattCzech> lol
May 20 22:19:23 * haeffb doesn't know about a preference do-hikie thing
May 20 22:19:23 <haeffb> yeah, that would work....
May 20 22:19:26 <Bmyers> u dl the non-beta one?
May 20 22:19:38 <sugardave> no, I have the one you sent me a long time ago
May 20 22:19:48 <sugardave> I haven't been doing a lot of phone stuff lately
May 20 22:19:51 <Bmyers> too over-priced for you?
May 20 22:19:54 <sugardave> haha
May 20 22:20:11 <Bmyers> should be right in the middle of your price range
May 20 22:20:19 <sugardave> laziness and RealLife have sucked all my fun time
May 20 22:20:25 <sugardave> I will check it out
May 20 22:20:37 <haeffb> yeah, Bmyers definitely hit the sweet spot for pricing
May 20 22:20:37 <Bmyers> ah come on buddy. i'm trying to win $1k here
May 20 22:20:53 <Bmyers> over 17k dls so far
May 20 22:20:57 <sugardave> does it still have the moon icon?
May 20 22:20:58 <LoneStar99> hello everyone
May 20 22:21:07 <sugardave> I'm not getting it if it doesn't have the OG icon
May 20 22:21:12 <Bmyers> yeah but its my moon
May 20 22:21:12 <haeffb> Although, if you have to beg for one dl at a time on IRC, you may not get there.
May 20 22:21:22 <Bmyers> doing what it takes
May 20 22:21:29 <Bmyers> viral marketing
May 20 22:22:03 * haeffb #220 and falling
May 20 22:22:04 <Bmyers> gonna start taking submission in the app. that should spice things up
May 20 22:22:16 <haeffb> taking them in the what?
May 20 22:22:17 <Bmyers> submit your own guyrule
May 20 22:22:20 <haeffb> oh. app.
May 20 22:22:34 * Tibfib #194 and falling
May 20 22:22:40 <Bmyers> ppl either give it 0 stars or 5 stars
May 20 22:22:48 <Bmyers> so it's avg is about 3..
May 20 22:22:51 <sugardave> god damn, I can't just type 'Guy rules' and have it found...no, no I can't
May 20 22:24:50 <sugardave> alright, you're +1 now
May 20 22:25:54 <LoneStar99> GoogleTV, what's next Google -pre-fabricated homes...
May 20 22:27:26 <Bmyers> IRC potholes
May 20 22:28:02 <Bmyers> sugardave: did u actually run the app?
May 20 22:28:32 <sugardave> yeah, I'm reading uncategorized right now
May 20 22:28:38 <Bmyers> muhahahaha, now i have your device ID and my plan is complete.. WORLD DOMINATION!!
May 20 22:28:56 <haeffb> Almost world domination. I didn't run it.
May 20 22:28:58 <sugardave> I must admit I never played "Grab Ass" with any of my buddies before...
May 20 22:29:21 <Bmyers> there a star rating. rate them as you wish..
May 20 22:29:58 <Bmyers> it remembers your stars via device id
May 20 22:30:38 <Bmyers> nice thing is that i can change the content on the fly.. it's cloud based
May 20 22:31:00 <Bmyers> it's really just a big steaming pile-o-ajax..
May 20 22:32:06 <haeffb> yum. sounds appetizing
May 20 22:32:37 <Bmyers> it is what it is..
May 20 22:33:11 <Bmyers> it was actually kind of fun to devel. wrote the php/mysql backend too
May 20 22:33:28 <sugardave> you know that when you rate something...if you do ANYTHING except back-swipe that it wipes out your selection?
May 20 22:33:38 <Bmyers> it doesnt really
May 20 22:33:42 <sugardave> ok
May 20 22:33:43 <Bmyers> it just looks like that
May 20 22:33:46 <sugardave> visually only
May 20 22:33:48 <Bmyers> go back to it
May 20 22:33:52 <Bmyers> it's still there
May 20 22:34:03 <Bmyers> i stole that from a broswer js
May 20 22:34:08 <Bmyers> which did hover
May 20 22:34:18 <Bmyers> but no hovering on webos
May 20 22:34:20 <sugardave> Loading data....'
May 20 22:34:42 <Bmyers> r u on an emulator ?
May 20 22:35:03 <sugardave> no, just hiccuped I guess
May 20 22:35:08 <sugardave> but yes I see it works correctly
May 20 22:35:22 <Bmyers> godaddy sucks donkey dung
May 20 22:35:23 <sugardave> looks nice
May 20 22:35:31 <Bmyers> i should get a real hosting company
May 20 22:35:43 <Bmyers> thanks sugardave
May 20 22:35:51 <Tibfib> WHAT THE CRAPPPPPPP THE muse concert in KC got cancelled.
May 20 22:36:10 <Bmyers> well there goes my vacation plans..
May 20 22:36:13 <sugardave> and your ads give me hope that I can see through girls' clothes with: XRAY 4 Phone!!!
May 20 22:36:35 * haeffb uses justhost.com
May 20 22:36:42 <Bmyers> click on that one for sure sugardave
May 20 22:36:50 <haeffb> their pings are slow and they fail sometimes.
May 20 22:36:55 <haeffb> but they're cheap.
May 20 22:37:07 <Bmyers> well, godaddy is 8 bux a month
May 20 22:37:18 <sugardave> I use bluehost for about what you pay
May 20 22:37:19 <Bmyers> linux/php/mysql yadda yadda
May 20 22:37:29 * Tibfib uses godaddy
May 20 22:37:36 <Bmyers> bluehost is good isnt it?
May 20 22:37:37 <sugardave> unlimited storage/bandwidth, etc
May 20 22:37:41 <sugardave> it seems to be
May 20 22:37:48 <haeffb> $3.45 per month
May 20 22:38:09 <Bmyers> i have always hosted my own stuff
May 20 22:38:15 <haeffb> http://www.justhost.com/
May 20 22:38:44 <Bmyers> but decided to stop doing mundane stuff and just pay someone else to do it
May 20 22:38:50 <Bmyers> what a mistake
May 20 22:38:57 <Bmyers> already been hack a few times
May 20 22:38:59 <sugardave> Bmyers: what, with like dyndns or something, or have you got a fat pipe at home?
May 20 22:39:03 <Bmyers> lucky the db's didnt get whacked
May 20 22:39:23 <Bmyers> i usually just buy biz hosting thru the cable company
May 20 22:39:28 <sugardave> ah
May 20 22:39:31 <sugardave> right
May 20 22:39:45 <Bmyers> not hosting but, biz cable connection
May 20 22:39:52 <sugardave> yeah
May 20 22:40:06 <Bmyers> and run my own servers and stuff...
May 20 22:40:09 <sugardave> we have that here and a buddy and I were looking into it a few years ago for some venture
May 20 22:40:31 <Bmyers> which i might go back to if godaddy doesnt stop sucking so badly
May 20 22:40:57 <Bmyers> but spin mode means sql/ajax bottle neck
May 20 22:41:19 <Bmyers> but hey, at least the ads still show up :)
May 20 22:41:47 <Bmyers> haeffb has dl'd the non-beta GR right?
May 20 22:41:50 <haeffb> buy 4 years for $3.45 per month
May 20 22:42:02 <Bmyers> hes's my buddy too right?
May 20 22:42:22 * haeffb downloaded, but I refuse to run it an submit to your world domination plan
May 20 22:42:31 <Bmyers> that $1k is going toward my kids college fund..
May 20 22:42:43 <haeffb> Ok. I'll dl it on her pixi too.
May 20 22:42:46 <Bmyers> and a new macbook
May 20 22:42:53 <Bmyers> and a new car
May 20 22:42:57 <Bmyers> new boat...
May 20 22:43:30 <Bmyers> i'm sure mamma needs a new pair of shoes too
May 20 22:43:38 <haeffb> I told her that I was falling out of the top 221. She says "put it on facebook".
May 20 22:43:53 <Bmyers> put what on facebook?
May 20 22:44:00 <HattCzech> heheh, that's not a bad idea
May 20 22:44:31 <Bmyers> i did write a facebook guyrules app a while ago
May 20 22:44:32 <haeffb> That I have an app for sale. So then, both of my facebook friends that own Pres will know to buy the app.
May 20 22:44:46 <Bmyers> true..
May 20 22:44:50 <HattCzech> BOTH of them?
May 20 22:44:57 <HattCzech> i wish i had two friends
May 20 22:45:04 <haeffb> two friends with Pres
May 20 22:45:08 <HattCzech> ;)
May 20 22:45:16 <sugardave> hahaha
May 20 22:45:20 <Bmyers> does split personality count?
May 20 22:45:25 * haeffb not such a good Palm evangelist
May 20 22:45:36 <sugardave> haeffb has foes
May 20 22:45:48 <haeffb> sugardave is my nemesis
May 20 22:46:04 <Bmyers> ok guys. gotta go paint the boat.. dont break anything while i'm gone
May 20 22:46:08 <pandora--> haeffb: wow the homepage picture on that hosting site is just asking for dirty photoshops...
May 20 22:46:28 <sugardave> is "painting the boat" a euphemism for something?
May 20 22:46:34 <Bmyers_Painting> yes
May 20 22:46:40 <sugardave> awesome
May 20 22:46:43 <sugardave> have fun!
May 20 22:47:03 <Bmyers_Painting> it's standing for "getting paint all over ME"
May 20 22:47:44 <pandora--> ehhhhhhh
May 20 22:48:33 <haeffb> $7.95 a month monthly
May 20 22:49:50 <HattCzech> isn't that what monthly means?
May 20 22:51:33 <haeffb> well, if you want to get technical about it...yes
May 20 22:53:30 <haeffb> what is ascii code for # ?
May 20 22:54:20 <Tibfib> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ascii+codes :)
May 20 22:55:09 <Tibfib> &#35;
May 20 22:56:03 <haeffb> 23 in hex
May 20 22:56:45 <HattCzech> haha
May 20 22:56:52 <HattCzech> Tibfib: i'm glad you got to use that
May 20 22:58:15 <Tibfib> me too
May 20 22:59:00 <HattCzech> anyone used admob in their apps?
May 20 23:00:25 <haeffb> yes. but not me.
May 20 23:02:28 <HattCzech> yes, but not you?
May 20 23:08:20 <LoneStar99> anyone know how to override the device width and height programmatically?
May 20 23:09:15 <pandora--> if (height < 480) { this.buyPre(); } else { console.log("you have a girls phone. lol"); }
May 20 23:09:26 <pandora--> :D
May 20 23:09:46 <Tibfib> hmm... your logic is flawed.
May 20 23:10:11 <LoneStar99> trying center an image that is larger than the width and height of the phone...
May 20 23:10:41 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: resize the image ;)
May 20 23:10:57 <Tibfib> you might be able to do something wiht position: absolute... maybe
May 20 23:11:02 <LoneStar99> trying to avoid that
May 20 23:11:18 <LoneStar99> since image sizes are dynamic
May 20 23:11:45 <LoneStar99> have no control of image sizes, coming from an image search
May 20 23:12:22 <Tibfib> why don't you want to use image view widget?
May 20 23:12:41 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: what does that widget do?
May 20 23:12:50 <Tibfib> uhh... view images :)
May 20 23:13:03 <Tibfib> it resizes images properly
May 20 23:13:09 <Tibfib> and you can multi-touch zoom em and such
May 20 23:13:23 <Tibfib> You could see if that fits your needs
May 20 23:13:27 <LoneStar99> interesting
May 20 23:13:36 <LoneStar99> is there a tutorial on webos101?
May 20 23:13:58 <Tibfib> I think it is a fairly straight forward widget
May 20 23:14:13 <Tibfib> of course the good stuff won't be on the docs
May 20 23:14:24 <Tibfib> looks like it: http://webos101.com/ImageView
May 20 23:14:54 <LoneStar99> thanks was just typing in webos101
May 20 23:15:36 <Tibfib> well I'm off, cya all
May 20 23:15:44 <LoneStar99> ok wil work on it later tonight
May 20 23:15:50 <LoneStar99> thanks Tibifb_away
May 20 23:15:57 <Tibifb_away> dangit.
May 20 23:17:36 <haeffb> HattCzech: people have, but I haven't.
May 20 23:18:41 <HattCzech> gotcha
May 20 23:19:56 * haeffb received a flyer from Sprint for EVO in my bill.
May 20 23:21:23 <HattCzech> haeffb: as did i... makes me consider getting one...
May 20 23:23:01 <haeffb> coming June 4
May 20 23:23:17 <haeffb> $199.99
May 20 23:23:38 <haeffb> IF I were in a 4G market....
May 20 23:24:37 <HattCzech> i am, which is why i'm tempted
May 21 00:07:55 <rolsworth> anyone familiar with android? what does webos have that android does not?
May 21 00:09:01 <rwhitby> WebOS Internals.  'nuff said.
May 21 00:09:15 <rolsworth> in terms of features
May 21 00:10:11 <bpadalino> what matters to you ?
May 21 00:11:14 <rolsworth> curious
May 21 00:11:22 <bpadalino> no, i mean .. what features matter to you ?
May 21 00:12:04 <rolsworth> i have a palm pre. just curious what advantages webos has over android.
May 21 00:12:53 <bpadalino> card based system works well .. html/js/css is easy enough ..
May 21 00:13:00 <rolsworth> some people are saying android is so much better but i really don't know what advantages are
May 21 00:13:33 <bpadalino> *shrug* whatever floats your boat i guess
May 21 00:21:05 <Tibfib_away> android is a cool idea, but very sloppy. the ui isn't nearly as nice as webOS
May 21 00:22:07 <bpadalino> webos doesn't have all those apps cluttering up the app catalog :)
May 21 00:22:54 <je2345> what up everyone
May 21 00:24:55 <Tibfib> je2345: howdy
May 21 00:49:54 <je2345> hows it goin
May 21 01:00:40 <je2345> has anyone overclocked their palm pre plus?
May 21 01:09:57 <rwhitby> lots of people have, using UberKernel and Govnah.
May 21 01:13:40 <bpadalino> oh hey, when did the 1.4.2 opensource packages get added to the website ?
May 21 01:15:04 <haeffb> eh, wut?
May 21 01:15:14 <bpadalino> http://opensource.palm.com/1.4.2/index.html
May 21 01:21:51 <rwhitby> bpadalino: nice find
May 21 01:46:09 <je2345> hey rwitby
May 21 01:46:09 <PrimerFender> This is where I fall apart. With a basic app, in the first scene, where do i start writing code to get something simple like  Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("eat pie"); to work?
May 21 01:46:40 <Tibfib> PrimerFender: the setup is where all stuff automatically happens at the launch of the scene
May 21 01:47:00 <PrimerFender> that's what I thought...not working :-/
May 21 01:47:06 <Tibfib> setup happens before scene is shown, activate happens when the scene has been pushed
May 21 01:47:07 <je2345> has anyone installed the uberkernal via preware?
May 21 01:47:11 <Tibfib> je2345: yes
May 21 01:47:35 <Tibfib> PrimerFender: don't trust the palm docs for samples
May 21 01:47:48 <Tibfib> use the app samples provided with the sdk or webos101.com
May 21 01:47:54 <PrimerFender> could it be because I am not using an event to "initiate" anything?
May 21 01:48:09 <je2345> it makes it seam VERY simple to install kernal and overclock, it it really as easy as it seems?
May 21 01:48:15 <je2345> im use to overclocking my Droid
May 21 01:48:24 <PrimerFender> yes, it is
May 21 01:48:24 <Tibfib> I don't think Mojo.Controller.errorDialog(); is proper for a single-stage app
May 21 01:48:34 <je2345> ok thanks..what speed are you running at now
May 21 01:48:34 <Tibfib> je2345: it is fine, works great
May 21 01:49:29 <Tibfib> PrimerFender: see the UIwidgets app sample
May 21 01:50:12 * haeffb has never been able to consistently get errorDialog to work
May 21 01:50:20 <Tibfib> actually, I don't think error dialogs work in setup. I don't know if they work in activate either
May 21 01:50:33 <je2345> does it overclock itself after installing the kernal or is there an app to adjust speeds?
May 21 01:50:52 <Tibfib> je2345: read the wiki
May 21 01:51:14 <je2345> k
May 21 01:51:25 <Tibfib> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:UberKernel
May 21 01:51:34 <je2345> i keep getting sign in error with my gmail on my pre
May 21 01:51:45 <je2345> anyone else?
May 21 01:51:53 <Tibfib> je2345: try removing it and add it again
May 21 01:52:22 <je2345> it keeps saying incorrect username and or password
May 21 01:53:01 <Tibfib> than you are probably entering it wrong >.<
May 21 01:53:22 <je2345> but im not...its the exact same on my Droid and Droid incredible and when i log in online
May 21 01:58:01 <PrimerFender> full email address as username?
May 21 01:58:15 <je2345> yep
May 21 01:58:28 <je2345> its been doing this all day. its only signed in successfully once
May 21 02:02:34 <je2345> has anyone noticed any bugs with oc?
May 21 02:05:26 <LoneStar99> anyone ever hear wind noises coming from their laptop?
May 21 02:05:59 <LoneStar99> sound like a wind storm coming from my laptop, cant figure out the noise
May 21 02:06:37 <haeffb> all the memory is leaking out.
May 21 02:07:22 <LoneStar99> oh damn it was some stupid flash advert in one of my tabs
May 21 02:08:22 <Tibfib> Haha
May 21 02:09:08 <LoneStar99> yeah, was freaking out for a few minutes
May 21 02:12:10 <Tibfib> how would I get the span to be center-aligned in the bigger div? http://webos.pastebin.com/Z1EQntpJ
May 21 02:12:19 <je2345> anyone know a good way to get album art on palm pre for music app
May 21 02:12:48 <Tibfib> ERR, vertically aligned.
May 21 02:13:46 <sugardave> I just put Mojo.Controller.errorDialog('IT WORKS'); in my scene's activate method and it works just fine
May 21 02:14:20 <Tibfib> I guess it works in activate, don't know bout setup tho
May 21 02:14:32 <sugardave> doubtful
May 21 02:14:52 <haeffb> didn't work in activate() for me.
May 21 02:14:58 <haeffb> multi-stage app?
May 21 02:15:27 <sugardave> no, but that's weird it doesn't work, since it's big-C Controller
May 21 02:15:42 <sugardave> definitely not in setup() for a single-stage app
May 21 02:18:05 <haeffb> works in my single-stage app, but not in multi-stage
May 21 02:18:24 <haeffb> in activate()
May 21 02:18:39 <haeffb> oh, wait...
May 21 02:19:06 <haeffb> ...I remember writing the answer to this on webos101.com
May 21 02:19:49 <haeffb> http://www.webos101.com/Dialogs
May 21 02:21:24 <haeffb> ah, yes, that fixes it
May 21 02:22:27 <haeffb> you have to pass a ref to the window everywhere in a multi-stage app
May 21 02:24:17 <sugardave> wow, that's kind of messed up
May 21 02:24:44 <Bmyers> done "painting"
May 21 02:24:56 <haeffb> get it all over yourself again?
May 21 02:25:21 <Bmyers> not too bad. wasnt actually painting.
May 21 02:25:30 <Bmyers> so much to do b4 you get to painting.
May 21 02:25:34 <sugardave> euphemism
May 21 02:25:37 <Bmyers> sanding, filling etc
May 21 02:25:47 <Bmyers> planning is a BIG part of it.
May 21 02:26:09 <Bmyers> might have bought another bigger boat instead..
May 21 02:26:13 * haeffb assumes this.controller.window would work in a scene assistant
May 21 02:26:28 <Bmyers> what r u doing haeffb?
May 21 02:26:41 <haeffb> nothing.  just playing with errorDialog
May 21 02:27:06 <Bmyers> getting back and forth is a little tricky
May 21 02:27:40 <haeffb> not a custom dialog, just Mojo.Controller.errorDialog('IT WORKS');
May 21 02:28:06 <haeffb> Mojo.Controller.errorDialog('IT WORKS', this.controller.window); in a multi-stage app
May 21 02:28:45 <sugardave> well?
May 21 02:30:38 <haeffb> me? IT WORKS
May 21 02:30:55 <sugardave> cool
May 21 02:31:42 <haeffb> from activate()
May 21 02:31:49 <haeffb> fails with no error in setup()
May 21 02:31:57 <sugardave> yeah
May 21 02:33:12 <haeffb> even with try/catch ... nothing
May 21 02:40:19 * haeffb updated http://www.webos101.com/Dialogs
May 21 02:56:25 <JenP> hi all
May 21 02:59:37 <rwhitby> hey JenP
May 21 02:59:44 <sugardave> hi JenP
May 21 02:59:49 <JenP> hi rod hi dave
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