**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 21 02:59:57 2010
May 21 03:00:09 * rwhitby is building uberkernel for 1.4.2
May 21 03:00:23 <JenP> cooolll
May 21 03:01:02 * JenP playing with webos101 design
May 21 03:01:52 <sugardave> um....
May 21 03:02:03 <sugardave> I'm...uh....hmmm....
May 21 03:03:44 <Roy-Pre101> JenP: Yay!
May 21 03:03:51 <JenP> lol hi roy
May 21 03:04:21 <JenP> i'm going with fem. fonts and masc. colors
May 21 03:04:41 * haeffb_pre played with webos101 content earlier
May 21 03:04:45 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Yay!
May 21 03:04:59 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Did you add the note about enter key in custom dialogs?
May 21 03:05:10 <haeffb_pre> nope
May 21 03:05:12 <Roy-Pre101> Because... I use enter to submit in my high score dialog and it works fine.
May 21 03:05:26 <Roy-Pre101> I wonder who put that there.
May 21 03:06:44 <haeffb_pre> I use enter to move from field 2 field
May 21 03:07:09 <haeffb_pre> look @ history...
May 21 03:07:42 <Roy-Pre101> JenP: What are the squares in the center for?  And you have some </p> on the page.
May 21 03:08:09 <JenP> the squares will be containers for catagories/groups...etc
May 21 03:08:19 <Roy-Pre101> Mmm.
May 21 03:08:27 <JenP> oh and i'm having your logo designed
May 21 03:08:32 <Roy-Pre101> I was going to suggest maybe having a section of SDK and a section for PDK.
May 21 03:08:43 <JenP> I think that's a great suggestion
May 21 03:08:45 <JenP> add it
May 21 03:09:11 <Roy-Pre101> :D
May 21 03:09:11 <JenP> Once you all figure out what you want inside the boxes I can design around it
May 21 03:09:37 <JenP> (fl)
May 21 03:09:52 <Roy-Pre101> I will have to put on my thinking cap later. I haven't done it yet because I just haven't had time to give it the level of thought it needs.
May 21 03:10:21 <Roy-Pre101> A logo, eh?  That'd be great.  David (webOSroundup guy) was going to make a logo at some point but he's been busy.
May 21 03:10:41 <JenP> oh well i can turn it off...it's not too late
May 21 03:11:34 <PrimerFender> anyone use the functions builtin to prototype?
May 21 03:12:49 <haeffb> Roy-Pre101: it wasn't me and it wasn't you... http://www.webos101.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dialogs&action=history
May 21 03:13:12 <Roy-Pre101> PrimerFender: I use them a bit.
May 21 03:13:38 <Roy-Pre101> We have been cautioned that Prototype may go away at some point but (as of now) so much relies upon it I don't see it happening quickly.
May 21 03:14:01 <PrimerFender> I'm trying to use setStyle() to rotate something
May 21 03:14:05 <PrimerFender> but it no worky
May 21 03:14:24 <Roy-Pre101> How are you doing it?
May 21 03:14:29 <Roy-Pre101> pastebin or it didn't happen!
May 21 03:14:40 <Roy-Pre101> >cough< sorry, got carried away.
May 21 03:14:44 <PrimerFender> lol k one sec it's on another computer
May 21 03:17:15 <PrimerFender> http://webos.pastebin.com/FSne4EfK
May 21 03:17:23 <PrimerFender> As you can see, I am disecting the clock app
May 21 03:17:38 <PrimerFender> The errrorDialog shows up if I comment out the setStyle
May 21 03:18:04 <PrimerFender> So I'm wondering if I am not referencing the function correctly? some kind of this.$ or something
May 21 03:23:35 <Roy-Pre101> Where do you think hourHand is set?
May 21 03:24:24 <PrimerFender> omg
May 21 03:25:10 * PrimerFender press his palm (not his phone) to his face
May 21 03:25:26 <Roy-Pre101> Logging and try/catch are you friend.
May 21 03:25:41 <PrimerFender> yeah, gotta look into that
May 21 03:26:02 <PrimerFender> also, remembering what you named your variables...that helps too :-P
May 21 03:32:19 <Rubin> poke
May 21 03:32:49 <Rubin> >footest<
May 21 03:33:29 <Rubin> hrm
May 21 03:33:53 <Rubin> something primerfender said generated a js error in pound
May 21 03:34:35 <Roy-Pre101> Intriguing.
May 21 03:34:46 * Rubin maybe it was an action?
May 21 03:35:30 <Rubin> http://webos.pastebin.com/FSne4EfK
May 21 03:36:06 <Rubin> weird.
May 21 03:50:06 <JenP> k guys i gotta get back to work....i'll ttyt
May 21 04:00:03 <PrimerFender> what's a #?
May 21 04:01:38 <Rubin> in what context?
May 21 04:01:43 <BigBiff> evening all
May 21 04:01:56 <PrimerFender> oh, you said I generated a js error in pound
May 21 04:02:29 <Rubin> in that context, pound is an irc app for the pre
May 21 04:04:17 <PrimerFender> ooops. i didnt realize i was that powerful ;-)
May 21 04:04:37 <Rubin> im not sure what it was, i couldn't reproduce it
May 21 04:05:09 <Rubin> the error was to do with "ScrollLeft" which I don't think I ever call. so something with the gui moving around due to changed content? who knows.
May 21 04:05:37 <PrimerFender> this.$
May 21 04:05:53 <Rubin> i do escape javascript :)
May 21 04:06:13 <PrimerFender> yeah, it escapes me too
May 21 04:06:20 <Rubin> heh
May 21 04:07:02 <PrimerFender> setStyle()
May 21 04:07:14 * Rubin you did something (like this) maybe
May 21 04:07:20 <Rubin> but doesnt cause it now...
May 21 04:07:49 * PrimerFender maybe it is only (when I do it) that it breaks
May 21 04:08:39 <Rubin> didnt break that time tho
May 21 04:08:54 <PrimerFender> oh well, i suppose I'll have to rediscover my super powers some other time
May 21 04:13:23 <Rubin> hrm.
May 21 04:13:36 <Rubin> did someone ban asdfasfdsadf or something?
May 21 04:13:40 <Rubin> its getting cannot send to chan
May 21 04:15:00 <HattCzech_> they need to register
May 21 04:15:18 <HattCzech_> i had that issue when i logged in from work
May 21 04:15:20 <Rubin> oh
May 21 04:15:32 <Rubin> damn freenode and their weird modes
May 21 04:15:44 <HattCzech_> hehehe, agreed
May 21 04:21:44 <BigBiff> hmmm, anyone experienced with the filterlist?
May 21 04:23:28 <HattCzech_> i think oil mentioned he played with the one for preware
May 21 04:24:22 <BigBiff> ping oil
May 21 04:24:54 <BigBiff> i'm havin troubles hiding/showing the header bar in my scene with the filterfield
May 21 04:32:01 <sugardave> okay, I started this one: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Event.stopListening
May 21 04:32:30 <sugardave> Rubin: is that nick registered with nickserv?
May 21 04:32:43 <Rubin> no
May 21 04:32:48 <sugardave> that'sn why
May 21 04:32:53 <Rubin> must be, yeah
May 21 04:32:58 <sugardave> only registered users can talk in this channel
May 21 04:33:22 <Rubin> its just crazy freenode mode crap. when i tried to change the nick it said you cant change nick while banned in a channel
May 21 04:33:39 <Rubin> but thats just binding an outdated error msg to a new feature
May 21 04:33:48 * Rubin has seen ircd source code, understands
May 21 04:42:30 <BigBiff> hah, gotit
May 21 04:44:04 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: do you have any thoughts on additional categories you want added to the wiki?
May 21 04:46:43 <BigBiff> sugardave: i'd like to see some info on passing an object back to a scene via the back gesture
May 21 04:46:50 <BigBiff> if it's even possible
May 21 04:47:36 <sugardave> BigBiff: two problems with that
May 21 04:47:45 <sugardave> 1: that's not a category
May 21 04:47:49 <Roy-Pre101> BigBiff: It's quite easy to do.
May 21 04:47:52 <sugardave> 2: I have no idea :P
May 21 04:47:58 <BigBiff> hehe
May 21 04:48:00 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Categories....
May 21 04:49:15 <Roy-Pre101> I'd like to break things out at some point into:  Tutorial, Tips, Documentation, code snippets...
May 21 04:49:38 <Roy-Pre101> Tutorials and how-to's
May 21 04:49:58 <sugardave> alright, I was think of adding Mojo Framework as a category, but that will fall under Documentation I suppose
May 21 04:50:00 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe some underlying theory.
May 21 04:50:15 <PrimerFender> now for the hard part, how to make my clock update on it's own...
May 21 04:50:43 <sugardave> PrimerFender: setInterval() ?
May 21 04:50:43 <Roy-Pre101> Now for the hard part, teaching PrimerFender it's vs. its.
May 21 04:50:48 <sugardave> haha
May 21 04:50:54 <Roy-Pre101> ;)
May 21 04:51:33 <Roy-Pre101> There's a Mojo SDK page that should lead to API, Services and Widgets.
May 21 04:51:53 <Roy-Pre101> What exactly would framework have, sugardave?  A discussion of the innards of the framework itself?
May 21 04:52:55 <sugardave> no, I just made a page and I was going to categorize it, but I'm wondering what I should call it...Documentation works
May 21 04:53:11 <sugardave> there are only two defined categories atm
May 21 04:53:33 <Roy-Pre101> Ah, you mean [Category:]
May 21 04:53:43 <Roy-Pre101> Yeah, need to clean up that stuff at some point, I guess.
May 21 04:53:44 <sugardave> yeah
May 21 04:53:54 <Roy-Pre101> Open to any ideas.
May 21 04:54:11 <Roy-Pre101> Should open up a discussion page on the wiki somewhere.
May 21 04:54:15 <sugardave> okay, I will ponder it...iirc it's a bitch to delete categories
May 21 04:54:27 <sugardave> so you don't want to get out of hand making them
May 21 04:56:19 <sugardave> and, to be fair, I don't always recall correctly, so...
May 21 04:58:43 <PrimerFender> hehe its ok
May 21 05:15:44 <PrimerFender> setInterval does not like me either
May 21 05:18:22 <sugardave> it (and setTimeout) are pretty picky about how you call them
May 21 05:21:20 <sugardave> PrimerFender: something like this might work out: http://webos.pastebin.com/AuM06P94
May 21 05:21:53 <sugardave> (I might have forgotten something, that's from memory)
May 21 05:22:25 <sugardave> and then you can use clearInterval(this.intervalId) later to stop it
May 21 05:25:52 <PrimerFender> i just got it, this.timerID= setInterval(this.updateClock().bind(this), 1000);
May 21 05:26:10 <PrimerFender> i don't know why I have to do the .bind(this) and set the whole thing to a variable like that
May 21 05:26:40 * PrimerFender is not familiar with bindings
May 21 05:26:45 <sugardave> you can skip the variable assignment....but then the interval will run FOREVER, FORever, Forever, forev...
May 21 05:27:13 <LoneStar99> webos bros starting to take the first steps into growing grapes in texas
May 21 05:27:14 <sugardave> you need it to pass to clearInterval when your scene deactivates and times like that
May 21 05:28:24 <sugardave> the bind part is, well, I say to myself "just because"
May 21 05:28:36 <sugardave> hi LoneStar99
May 21 05:28:40 <sugardave> MetaView:
May 21 05:29:02 <LoneStar99> hello sugardave
May 21 05:30:43 <PrimerFender> lol, well thanks I will investigate it further
May 21 07:10:15 <swisstomcat> morning
May 21 08:14:56 <LoneStar99> mornng
May 21 08:18:28 <swisstomcat> morning?
May 21 08:19:00 <LoneStar99> yeah had a few
May 21 08:23:31 <LoneStar99> how u doing?
May 21 08:26:07 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: why do you live in switzerland if your folks live in montana?
May 21 08:26:26 <swisstomcat> they emigrated, i decided to stay here
May 21 08:27:15 <LoneStar99> right on
May 21 08:28:37 <LoneStar99> you have your own family in switzerland?
May 21 08:29:13 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 21 08:29:34 <swisstomcat> i wouldn't mind working there for a year or so tho
May 21 08:29:38 <swisstomcat> in the us
May 21 08:30:33 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 21 08:30:42 <LoneStar99> you have the knowledge
May 21 08:32:27 <LoneStar99> i am almost out of coding, gonna grow plants
May 21 08:33:14 <swisstomcat> pot plants? :)
May 21 08:33:55 <LoneStar99> worked for myself mostly 10 years coding, and was left with nothing
May 21 08:34:31 <LoneStar99> no pot
May 21 08:34:45 <LoneStar99> freaking wine vines
May 21 08:36:21 <LoneStar99> gonna see if texas can make a wine as good as a european and californian
May 21 08:36:53 <LoneStar99> i think we can
May 21 08:37:14 <LoneStar99> or better
May 21 08:37:24 <LoneStar99> and cheaper
May 21 08:39:34 <LoneStar99> it is just starting off in texas
May 21 08:44:00 <LoneStar99> what you think about the idea swisstomcat
May 21 08:44:31 <swisstomcat> sounds like a good idea
May 21 08:44:46 <swisstomcat> do you have enough water?
May 21 08:45:09 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 21 08:45:45 <LoneStar99> what is needed are mountains, to send breezes to the vines
May 21 08:46:29 <swisstomcat> don't remember many mountains in  texas
May 21 08:46:40 <LoneStar99> yeah exactly
May 21 08:49:09 <LoneStar99> what you think about this: a dude or business wants to make a webos app that all it does is search a business product etc.. but they do not need to code, all gui to make the app
May 21 08:53:47 <LoneStar99> the system would self pack the ipk, just like ares, but no coding
May 21 08:54:05 <swisstomcat> that should work
May 21 08:54:07 <swisstomcat> code generation
May 21 08:55:37 <LoneStar99> just need to find out how to make a dynamic ipk
May 21 08:56:49 <swisstomcat> call palm-package
May 21 08:56:52 <LoneStar99> i know it is just a gzip file with other compression, but trying to figure how proper compressions
May 21 08:58:08 <LoneStar99> have uncompressed an ipk
May 21 08:58:36 <LoneStar99> but the key to compress the code into an ipk
May 21 08:58:45 <swisstomcat> can't you just call palm-package from a script?
May 21 09:00:39 <LoneStar99> not sure
May 21 09:01:27 <LoneStar99> palm-package work on windows command line right, but about linux or unix?
May 21 09:02:04 <swisstomcat> same
May 21 09:02:39 <swisstomcat> i'm on linux
May 21 09:03:24 <LoneStar99> hmm.. will look into that
May 21 09:04:18 <LoneStar99> can you email me the linux "palm-package"?
May 21 09:04:28 <LoneStar99> diego@earthoid.com
May 21 09:10:07 <swisstomcat> you probably need the sdk installe
May 21 09:10:08 <swisstomcat> d
May 21 09:10:29 <swisstomcat> since it calls webos-tools.jar
May 21 09:11:21 <LoneStar99> yeah it is all java stuff
May 21 09:11:24 <LoneStar99> true that
May 21 09:12:20 <swisstomcat> i'd play around in a linux virtual machine
May 21 09:12:43 <LoneStar99> on a sever java is heavy, if can be converted to a simple script it would awesome
May 21 09:13:53 <LoneStar99> looked into some months ago, but been slacking off
May 21 09:14:32 <LoneStar99> do you think if i email palm for the code they would provide it?
May 21 09:15:19 <LoneStar99> i do not think so
May 21 09:16:08 <LoneStar99> i know 7zip will decompress an ipk, but the key is compressing files into a proper working ipk
May 21 09:17:59 <swisstomcat> on a linux vm you could play around with ipkg
May 21 09:19:54 <LoneStar99> k will try that this weekend, need to make my apps better
May 21 09:22:15 <LoneStar99> alright gonna crash, need to sleep, even though i do not want to but, will feel like shit if i don't
May 21 09:23:14 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  have a great morning, chat in a few hours
May 21 09:23:27 <swisstomcat> allright, sleep well
May 21 09:23:38 <LoneStar99> thanks
May 21 09:38:19 <unsigned> brb, 72 virgins..
May 21 09:38:24 <unsigned> crap is it 21?
May 21 11:16:51 <swisstomcat> hi noaXess
May 21 11:17:28 <swisstomcat> http://elinux.org/images/7/76/MPT-ELC-2010.pdf
May 21 11:17:41 <swisstomcat> check page 35 onwards and especially page 45
May 21 12:31:09 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
May 21 12:31:21 <warpdesign> hi swisstomcat
May 21 12:43:59 <Roy-Pre101> morning folks
May 21 12:45:55 <Roy-Pre101> Yay, hurdle #1 is down to releasing my game.  I should have asked ages ago.
May 21 12:46:24 <Roy-Pre101> I had a photo I was using as my background and it wasn't licensed so I could use it.  I finally just asked the artist if I could use it and she said 'yes'. :P
May 21 12:46:43 <Roy-Pre101> If I had done this months ago I would have been motivated to finish it.
May 21 12:51:26 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 21 13:03:55 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MiniDM
May 21 13:04:31 <rwhitby> new hidden app on AT&T Pre Plus, can be installed on other GSM Pre phones too
May 21 13:05:20 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 21 13:05:48 <swisstomcat> no text on that page yet :)
May 21 13:11:19 <rwhitby> refresh it
May 21 13:13:23 <swisstomcat> cool
May 21 13:14:28 <swisstomcat> something to install on my device
May 21 13:17:31 <rwhitby> install with ipkg (no -o) so that it goes in the rootfs, cause it's normally delivered as part of the initial flash
May 21 13:34:16 <swisstomcat> hi haeffb
May 21 13:35:01 <swisstomcat> will be interesting to see how it interfaces with the radio
May 21 13:35:08 <swisstomcat> hi sugardave
May 21 13:37:08 <sugardave> good morning
May 21 14:16:27 <BigBiff> morning
May 21 14:18:15 <swisstomcat> morning bigbiff
May 21 14:24:31 <haeffb_pre> hello world
May 21 14:27:04 <Bmyers> cruel world
May 21 14:27:28 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Interesting
May 21 14:33:28 <swisstomcat> hi roy-pre101,bmyers
May 21 14:34:00 <Bmyers> hi swisstomcat
May 21 14:34:18 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Howdy swisstomcat
May 21 14:34:41 <swisstomcat> app sales are not as good as i thought :(
May 21 14:34:54 <swisstomcat> 20 (7 settled)
May 21 14:35:50 <haeffb_pre> how did you find the 20?
May 21 14:36:15 <swisstomcat> i have my own staticstics
May 21 14:36:23 <swisstomcat> statistics
May 21 14:36:26 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
May 21 14:39:32 <haeffb_pre> so what's the best way to handle DB schema changes on app update? say, adding a column?
May 21 14:40:20 * BigBiff needs to learn webos db
May 21 14:41:05 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: supposed to update the version number, is all I know
May 21 14:41:17 <sugardave> "just do it"
May 21 14:41:44 <sugardave> I'd guess as long as you aren't deleting columns, it's not that bad
May 21 14:41:51 <Bmyers> haeffb_pre got the dl's hack for app catalog?
May 21 14:42:06 <haeffb_pre> nope
May 21 14:42:15 <sugardave> just have to make sure to provide default data for existing records if the new column is not null
May 21 14:42:35 <Bmyers> get it
May 21 14:42:41 <Bmyers> preware
May 21 14:42:52 <haeffb_pre> ok...
May 21 14:43:03 <sugardave> BigBiff: nobody here knows anything about Mojo dbs
May 21 14:43:12 <BigBiff> hehe
May 21 14:43:16 <Bmyers> it will show unsettled and re-dl's in your app cat on the device
May 21 14:43:53 <swisstomcat> where does it pull the unsettled data from?
May 21 14:44:28 <Bmyers> it actually just unhides a hidden field in the app cat app
May 21 14:44:56 <Roy-Pre101> BigBiff: Anything on webos101.com about them?
May 21 14:45:04 <Roy-Pre101> I'm not sure.
May 21 14:45:05 <sugardave> BigBiff: just kidding: http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database
May 21 14:45:55 <sugardave> BigBiff: and this one: http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects
May 21 14:47:21 <haeffb_pre> hmmm update for wirc
May 21 14:47:49 * haeffb_pre going to gone for a bit...
May 21 15:00:50 <haeffb_pre> wirc is shinier
May 21 15:01:14 <haeffb_pre> oooh! a timestamp!
May 21 15:01:59 <haeffb_pre> and a lag meter, whatever that is
May 21 15:02:25 <haeffb_pre> oil: nice...
May 21 15:03:25 <sugardave> irc server gives a lag response
May 21 15:04:14 <haeffb_pre> yellow Ev symbol means...?
May 21 15:04:39 <sugardave> like the signal Ev?  or in wirc (I don't use it)?
May 21 15:05:10 <haeffb_pre> wirc
May 21 15:05:27 <haeffb_pre> oooh! another tinestamp!
May 21 15:05:51 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 21 15:06:51 <oil> lol
May 21 15:07:00 <haeffb_pre> hah. you've all been 'clear backlogged'
May 21 15:07:43 <haeffb_pre> what means the yellow Ev?
May 21 15:07:58 <oil> medium lag?
May 21 15:08:08 <haeffb_pre> huh.
May 21 15:08:22 <sugardave> those aren't modes?
May 21 15:08:32 * sugardave acts like he knows what he's talking about.
May 21 15:08:45 <haeffb_pre> does it change when on wifi?
May 21 15:08:49 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob_plain;f=images/network-lag.png;hb=HEAD
May 21 15:09:48 <haeffb_pre> awesome!
May 21 15:10:34 <sugardave> that is nice :D
May 21 15:14:50 <MetaView> hi
May 21 15:15:44 <haeffb_pre> tab complete is still very hit or miss...maybe I'm doing it wrong
May 21 15:17:20 <sugardave> BigBiff: haeffb_pre said he would personally tutor you in the art of Mojo and SQLite
May 21 15:18:33 <BigBiff> right now im trying to find a cheap virtual server to handle my sql needs
May 21 15:19:10 <sugardave> how cheap?  I get some huge number of dbs at bluehost for around $8-9/month
May 21 16:06:27 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: hello
May 21 16:06:58 <Roy-Pre101> Morning chuqui
May 21 16:07:08 <chuqui> morning!
May 21 16:08:25 <Roy-Pre101> What's the haps?
May 21 16:11:41 <chuqui> not much. you?
May 21 16:12:13 <Roy-Pre101> Lunch soon.  Just not soon enough.  Happy I can move forward on my app.  The owner of the photo I wanted to use said I could use it!
May 21 16:12:34 <chuqui> cool! congrats.
May 21 16:15:15 <Roy-Pre101> I let it sideline that app for months because I couldn't find a better photo and it just never occurred to me to ask. :P
May 21 16:16:12 <Roy-Pre101> Also:  The green tea pumpkin seeds from the chinese tea house in the ferry building are amazingly addictive.
May 21 16:17:44 <sugardave> it's all the meth they put in them
May 21 16:20:29 <MetaView> someone playing settlers on pre?
May 21 16:41:04 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: so I made a Tutorial category (a [Category:]) and added the JSON from external MySQL page to it...do you only want "real" tutorial style pages there, as in there is some descriptive text explaining code snippets?  Most other pages I'm looking at are more like brain dumps
May 21 16:42:31 <BigBiff> sugardave:  i actually have a question about that very topic
May 21 16:42:38 <sugardave> shoot
May 21 16:43:09 <BigBiff> my eval('(' + response.responseText + ')') is only giving me every other row from the db
May 21 16:43:16 <BigBiff> weird
May 21 16:43:26 <sugardave> eval is evil, first of all
May 21 16:43:30 <BigBiff> yes i know
May 21 16:43:38 <BigBiff> as eclipse tells me this, heh
May 21 16:43:42 <sugardave> heh
May 21 16:43:56 <BigBiff> what's the best way to parse the json
May 21 16:44:07 <sugardave> have it return as responseJSON
May 21 16:44:10 <BigBiff> right
May 21 16:44:23 <sugardave> if you control the PHP, then set the application type header appropriately
May 21 16:44:32 <sugardave> then json_encode your array
May 21 16:44:42 <BigBiff> right
May 21 16:44:43 <sugardave> and response.responseJSON should be filled in
May 21 16:45:46 <sugardave> note I also use evalJSON: 'true' in my ajax request, though it is not supposedly required (if setting the content header in your php properly)
May 21 16:46:00 <BigBiff> wow im dumb
May 21 16:46:14 <sugardave> so, it COULD be possible that your PHP is only making the array with every other record?
May 21 16:46:36 <BigBiff> i had both response.responseJSON AND the eval(bla) in my code - and was using the eval for some reason
May 21 16:46:51 <sugardave> yeah, screw that
May 21 16:46:55 <sugardave> go with responseJSON
May 21 16:47:26 <BigBiff> ya - i think the eval was when i was first trying to figure it out - never undid it
May 21 16:47:51 <BigBiff> wait
May 21 16:48:00 <BigBiff> it's still only returning every other row
May 21 16:48:10 <BigBiff> maybe im double iterating somewher
May 21 16:48:12 <BigBiff> e
May 21 16:48:16 <sugardave> okay, so make sure your PHP is correctly getting stuff from mysql
May 21 16:48:25 <sugardave> it sounds like that's where your problem is
May 21 16:49:53 <sugardave> BigBiff: OR, as you say, you might be adding 2 to your iterator instead of 1
May 21 16:49:57 <sugardave> somehow
May 21 16:50:08 <sugardave> but now it is time for nbaplunch, good luck!
May 21 16:50:12 <sugardave> naplunch
May 21 16:50:27 <lyht> lemketron: ping
May 21 17:08:24 <BigBiff> <------ dumb
May 21 17:08:31 <BigBiff> double iteration = dumb
May 21 17:13:44 <chuqui> hey all. we're experimenting with some things in the docs. Take a look at this page and tell me if you like it. is the screencast useful? http://developer.sbqa.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554&Itemid=261
May 21 17:20:05 <reality9110> chuqui: Gives a not found error
May 21 17:20:27 <chuqui> oops. hang on. my bad
May 21 17:20:54 <chuqui> try this: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554&Itemid=261
May 21 17:22:07 <reality9110> I'd say the screencast is kind of pointless unless code is included.
May 21 17:23:32 <reality9110> So, if you had a working little example of the code to download, that would be really helpful so users could follow along and use as a reference.  The little code snippets throughout the document are useful but overall kind of pointless (especially when some are wrong or require other things to be setup correctly)
May 21 17:24:29 <lyht> I think the screen cast is cool. The code is readable in the screen cast, and would be better than nothing... But I would have to agree with reality9110, having the code to download to go along with the screen cast would be awesome.
May 21 17:24:52 <lyht> However, even without it, the screencast would be useful.
May 21 17:25:30 <reality9110> How the heck do I dynamically insert an array of items into their own divs?
May 21 17:25:49 <reality9110> I know how to put them in a list widget, but sadly there is no horizontal list.
May 21 17:26:19 <chuqui> thanks. I'll pass that along.
May 21 17:27:16 <haeffb_pre> mojo.view.render or somesuch?
May 21 17:28:37 <reality9110> I don't think so
May 21 17:28:45 <reality9110> But, then again, I've never used render
May 21 17:29:22 <dpivs> hi everyone, does anyone know how well join() works to put the items of a list into a string?
May 21 17:29:29 <haeffb_pre> used to apply object properties to a template
May 21 17:31:51 <reality9110> How does the Palm App Catalog application do it because I can't pick it apart from the code?  It looks like it uses a list widget.
May 21 17:32:59 <dpivs> so i'd have to use a template for it to work right?
May 21 17:33:46 <dpivs> what i'm basically trying to do is put the items of a list into an email
May 21 17:35:09 <reality9110> dpivs: He was addressing my question
May 21 17:35:19 <dpivs> oh sorry reality9110, haha.
May 21 17:38:00 <reality9110> But yes, the join method should work and then output it as a string
May 21 17:39:43 <dpivs> thanks reality9110.
May 21 17:43:31 <haeffb_pre> network down @ work...time for a little Friday afternoon vacation...
May 21 18:08:17 <BigBiff> i like the screencast
May 21 18:08:28 <sugardave> reality9110: can't you just iterate through the array, make a new div for each item, and append it where you want it to go?  or am I missing some nuance?
May 21 18:10:44 <MetaView> the app catalog has an horizontal list?
May 21 18:13:20 <HattCzech|away> sugardave: you around?
May 21 18:14:17 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: somewhat, sure :D
May 21 18:14:40 <HattCzech_work> noticed yesterday that you're in austin (as am i), so i thought i'd say hey
May 21 18:14:46 <sugardave> (teaching a class, but they are doing exercises)
May 21 18:14:59 <sugardave> oh, cool :D  I think codeslaw is in town, too
May 21 18:15:07 <HattCzech_work> where/ what do you teach?
May 21 18:15:31 <MetaView> None playing The Settlers on the Pre?
May 21 18:15:36 <sugardave> I work for IBM....I do security product education
May 21 18:15:36 <MetaView> a pitty
May 21 18:15:51 <HattCzech_work> ahhh okay
May 21 18:16:50 <HattCzech_work> do you like it at IBM? i've had friends that worked there... mixed reviews
May 21 18:16:52 <sugardave> seems we have enough local devs that the next Palm Dev Day could be here
May 21 18:16:53 <sugardave> :D
May 21 18:17:10 <sugardave> I like it alright, but it's because my job allows me quite a bit of freedom
May 21 18:17:15 <HattCzech_work> yeah, i was wishing there would be one
May 21 18:17:19 <HattCzech_work> that's good
May 21 18:17:20 <sugardave> and I work from home about 95% of the time
May 21 18:17:26 <HattCzech_work> very nice
May 21 18:17:42 <MetaView> We need a European Dev Day next :)
May 21 18:17:43 <sugardave> doing support for IBM sucks
May 21 18:17:43 <HattCzech_work> the predevcamp from last year wasn't very good, though
May 21 18:17:57 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: I had to miss it, but glad I did if it sucked
May 21 18:18:01 <HattCzech_work> i was hoping they would do something more and better this year
May 21 18:18:22 <HattCzech_work> i was the only one that had played with webos (hacking pieces together before the sdk was out)
May 21 18:18:38 <HattCzech_work> i told them all about precentral
May 21 18:18:43 <HattCzech_work> and didn't even get a book
May 21 18:18:44 <HattCzech_work> :/
May 21 18:18:46 <sugardave> you and I would have gotten along then, as I was doing the same thing
May 21 18:18:46 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
May 21 18:18:52 <sugardave> AND learning js at the same time
May 21 18:19:05 <HattCzech_work> yeah, i had some MINIMAL js experience before
May 21 18:19:09 <HattCzech_work> i've learned quite a bit
May 21 18:19:44 <sugardave> indeed, "Mojo makes it easy!"tm  - Palm, I'm willing to consider selling that trademark
May 21 18:19:56 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
May 21 18:20:43 <sugardave> what was the facility like?  it was one of those new "shared office" spaces or somesuch, yeah?
May 21 18:20:51 <HattCzech_work> have you made any apps? or just like playing around?
May 21 18:20:55 <HattCzech_work> yeah
May 21 18:21:03 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 21 18:21:05 <HattCzech_work> which i found out one of my friends from college was co-owner
May 21 18:21:09 <HattCzech_work> hey swisstomcat
May 21 18:21:17 <HattCzech_work> got some time for translation? ;)
May 21 18:21:20 <sugardave> oh yeah, I have 3 apps in the catalog...Mind Master, BOFH Excuse Generator, and everyone's favorite Yule Log
May 21 18:21:22 <swisstomcat> i might
May 21 18:21:51 <swisstomcat> is the app open-source, hattczech?
May 21 18:21:53 <HattCzech_work> http://pastie.org/private/te9vunuxzxy2pv989m269w if you do
May 21 18:21:56 <HattCzech_work> yeah
May 21 18:21:56 <sugardave> but most of the time, I just do things to see if they can be done
May 21 18:22:03 <HattCzech_work> well, i haven't posted the source
May 21 18:22:09 <HattCzech_work> but i'm not trying to hide it
May 21 18:22:23 <sugardave> most of my god ideas are either illegal or completely against the app guidelines, so....
May 21 18:22:31 <sugardave> s/god/good/
May 21 18:22:35 <HattCzech_work> same here...
May 21 18:22:44 <HattCzech_work> like my txt manger app
May 21 18:22:49 <HattCzech_work> custom sms tones and vibration
May 21 18:22:55 <swisstomcat> let me take a look
May 21 18:22:56 * halfhalo learned something just now
May 21 18:22:59 <HattCzech_work> but i piggy-back on the messaging service, so it's a no go
May 21 18:23:09 <sugardave> ah
May 21 18:23:14 <HattCzech_work> (just have to leave it in homebrew)
May 21 18:23:24 <halfhalo> Verizon Pre's can be moved onto a prepaid service
May 21 18:24:27 <sugardave> yay?
May 21 18:24:33 <halfhalo> Yay
May 21 18:24:37 <sugardave> YAY
May 21 18:24:46 <HattCzech_work> YAY!
May 21 18:24:50 <halfhalo> since then I can have an active line on it instead of it just sitting here looking purty
May 21 18:24:57 <HattCzech_work> i don't have verizon and don't need pre-paid
May 21 18:25:00 <swisstomcat> yay!
May 21 18:25:02 <HattCzech_work> but meh, other people may use it
May 21 18:25:14 <swisstomcat> hattczech: what's the meaning of "txt group:"?
May 21 18:25:31 <halfhalo> 39 a month for 1200 minutes, texts, and 50MB data
May 21 18:25:49 <sugardave> that's not too bad
May 21 18:26:56 <HattCzech_work> wow, that is good
May 21 18:27:12 <HattCzech_work> i'm doing $50 for 500 min, unlimited text and data
May 21 18:27:41 <halfhalo> Im doing 70 for sprints data everathang
May 21 18:27:51 <HattCzech_work> that's the title
May 21 18:28:07 <HattCzech_work> so if "group" is something else, it would need to change
May 21 18:28:07 <swisstomcat> meaning?
May 21 18:28:11 <HattCzech_work> txt like sms
May 21 18:28:27 <swisstomcat> ok
May 21 18:28:39 <HattCzech_work> TXT Group for english, TXT Grupo for spanish
May 21 18:28:49 <halfhalo> http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Pixi_Plus
May 21 18:28:57 <swisstomcat> today is the 30 birthday of pacman
May 21 18:29:04 <sugardave> chomp
May 21 18:29:22 <HattCzech_work> oh man, i wonder if there will be people out on the streets pac-manning it up
May 21 18:29:23 <swisstomcat> and you can play pacman on the frontpage of google
May 21 18:29:29 <HattCzech_work> (wouldn't be surprised in austin)
May 21 18:29:31 <sugardave> http://blogs.oracle.com/experience/pacman-chart.jpg
May 21 18:29:35 <sugardave> I always love that
May 21 18:30:38 <swisstomcat> hattczech: http://pastie.org/971511
May 21 18:30:50 <reality9110> Ok.  So let's say I have a bunch of similar divs.  Is there a way to listen for clicks on those divs to push a scene without hardcoding a click on all of them?
May 21 18:31:44 <sugardave> reality9110: put them in a containing div that has a listener, then use the event.target?
May 21 18:32:28 <sugardave> or one of the other event properties....I think there's one that shows the actual element that was clicked versus the element that is listening
May 21 18:32:54 <swisstomcat> or listen on the document and get the target id
May 21 18:32:57 <swisstomcat> i've done that
May 21 18:33:10 <reality9110> I'd have to listen to the containing div
May 21 18:33:22 <reality9110> Might screw things up if I listen to the entire document with the other list in there
May 21 18:33:35 <sugardave> it might be event.currentTarget
May 21 18:33:50 <sugardave> but I always get confused and have to spend 15 minutes debugging ehte event object
May 21 18:34:00 <swisstomcat> event.sourceElement?
May 21 18:34:04 <HattCzech_work> yeah, they need a better way to do that
May 21 18:34:19 <sugardave> oooo, sourceElement sounds promising
May 21 18:34:50 <HattCzech_work> event.originalEvent.target.id
May 21 18:34:55 <HattCzech_work> that sometimes works
May 21 18:34:56 <swisstomcat> almost :)
May 21 18:35:02 <HattCzech_work> that's what i use for items in a list
May 21 18:35:36 <HattCzech_work> it'll pass the object name of whatever was clicked
May 21 18:35:42 <reality9110> I'm just trying to make a horizontal list
May 21 18:35:49 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: thanks for the translation
May 21 18:35:56 <swisstomcat> oh, i'm using event.srcElement.nodeName/id
May 21 18:36:04 <HattCzech_work> is TXT a reasonable term in german?
May 21 18:36:16 <swisstomcat> i translated TXT as SMS
May 21 18:36:33 <swisstomcat> but TXT would probably work too
May 21 18:36:38 <HattCzech_work> okay
May 21 18:36:45 <HattCzech_work> just trying to be consistent
May 21 18:39:17 <swisstomcat> wow, that pacman game on the google frontpage is in html/css/js
May 21 18:39:54 <HattCzech_work> heheh, pretty amazing
May 21 18:40:35 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: would you be able to do the app description as well? :)
May 21 18:40:40 <HattCzech_work> it's not too long
May 21 18:40:48 <swisstomcat> can you paste it?
May 21 18:41:25 <HattCzech_work> sure, one sec
May 21 18:42:35 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/2dzW7DyA
May 21 18:46:56 <haeffb> Nice. 85 settled DL's since Tuesday
May 21 18:47:20 <sugardave> steaks are on haeffb!
May 21 18:47:35 <haeffb> come & get 'em. transportation is on your own, though.
May 21 18:47:47 <HattCzech_work> congrats, haeffb
May 21 18:47:51 <HattCzech_work> what's your app?
May 21 18:48:07 <haeffb> http://tigercountrysoftware.com/
May 21 18:48:21 <swisstomcat> done?
May 21 18:48:27 <haeffb> done
May 21 18:48:33 <swisstomcat> only 7 settled for me :(
May 21 18:48:35 <haeffb> (currently in english only...)
May 21 18:50:02 <haeffb> 689 for Myles
May 21 18:50:25 <lyht> Anyone one know how to get the download server to download over 1x?
May 21 18:50:32 <lyht> download service...
May 21 18:50:40 <lyht> not download server.... :P
May 21 18:50:48 <haeffb> animal memory?
May 21 18:50:52 <sugardave> it won't do it if you're on 1x?
May 21 18:51:15 <swisstomcat> yeah, animal memory
May 21 18:51:20 <sugardave> that doesn't seem right...
May 21 18:51:23 <lyht> I can't get it to do so... someone in the boards said there might be a setting
May 21 18:51:31 <lyht> a parameter you have to pass
May 21 18:51:32 <sugardave> hmmm
May 21 18:51:37 <lyht> but I cant find anything
May 21 18:51:41 <sugardave> beats me :D
May 21 18:51:45 <HattCzech_work> i thought they allowed that in the newer webos
May 21 18:51:53 <HattCzech_work> thought it was only a problem in like 1.1 and 1.2
May 21 18:52:00 <HattCzech_work> (well, 1.0-1.2)
May 21 18:52:17 <lyht> Well, I know the OS updater thingie got the ability to download the updates then...
May 21 18:52:24 <lyht> but my calls still do not work.
May 21 18:52:53 * haeffb still thinks Mojo.View.render is what reality9110 is looking for.
May 21 18:53:09 <lyht> I guess I could try to dig into the updater code and see if I can find what they are doing... but if it is not documented, I might be in danger of creating something that gets rejected.
May 21 18:55:18 <swisstomcat> hattczech: http://webos.pastebin.com/56L280Yx
May 21 18:58:05 <HattCzech_work> awesome, swisstomcat! thanks!
May 21 18:59:42 <sugardave> haeffb: why?
May 21 19:00:18 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: should i use "TXT Gruppe"?
May 21 19:01:01 <swisstomcat> depends if you want to translate the app title or not
May 21 19:01:51 <HattCzech_work> yeah
May 21 19:02:11 <HattCzech_work> but that would be acceptable, right?
May 21 19:02:19 <haeffb> if he has an object with multiple properties and wants to format that in a div...
May 21 19:03:04 <sugardave> I think it's less complex than that...he has an array of items and he wants each item in its own div
May 21 19:04:15 <haeffb> oh, well, then that's much simpler
May 21 19:05:04 <HattCzech_work> wouldn't that work in a palm-list?
May 21 19:05:21 <haeffb> he wants horiz list
May 21 19:05:27 <HattCzech_work> ahhhh
May 21 19:05:28 <sugardave> but there isn't a horizontal list
May 21 19:05:30 <sugardave> yeah
May 21 19:07:12 <swisstomcat> hattczech: not sure if people will know what TXT-Gruppe means
May 21 19:07:28 <swisstomcat> you could try "Gruppen-SMS" if you really want to translate the app title
May 21 19:09:13 <HattCzech_work> okay...
May 21 19:09:41 <HattCzech_work> i was hoping it would be similar in most languages, but i want it to be understandable
May 21 19:10:30 <swisstomcat> or use TXT-Group
May 21 19:11:29 <HattCzech_work> does the term TXT make sense? for us, it's short for text, but i know SMS is somewhat universal
May 21 19:12:07 <HattCzech_work> and by what you pointed out earlier when asking what it meant, it seems it's not as apparent over there
May 21 19:12:20 <swisstomcat> not really
May 21 19:12:25 <swisstomcat> SMS is better known
May 21 19:13:05 <HattCzech_work> okay, so "SMS Gruppe" or "Gruppen SMS"?
May 21 19:13:12 <HattCzech_work> or do i need the hyphen?
May 21 19:14:44 <swisstomcat> i'd say Gruppen-SMS
May 21 19:15:40 <HattCzech_work> okay, cool
May 21 19:15:57 <HattCzech_work> one last thing... http://webos.pastebin.com/VrJvLt0N
May 21 19:16:09 <HattCzech_work> the array of items are search terms
May 21 19:16:19 <HattCzech_work> (keywords in appinfo)
May 21 19:19:19 <swisstomcat> http://webos.pastebin.com/T2mQqR3L
May 21 19:23:59 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: you rock
May 21 19:24:04 <HattCzech_work> thank you very much
May 21 19:29:23 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: would you like to beta the german version?
May 21 19:29:31 <swisstomcat> sure
May 21 19:29:39 <HattCzech_work> let me build it real quick
May 21 19:39:48 <HattCzech_work> let me know if that link worked
May 21 19:43:37 <swisstomcat> it worked
May 21 19:45:11 <swisstomcat> i pm'd you some changes
May 21 19:47:23 <HattCzech_work> ok thanks
May 21 19:58:54 * pandora-- wave
May 21 20:00:03 <pandora--> hows friday?
May 21 20:01:58 <haeffb> friday cool
May 21 20:02:40 <swisstomcat> wave
May 21 20:02:47 <swisstomcat> i like fridays
May 21 20:07:20 <Rick_work> http://www.schachforum-darmstadt.de/prechess/com.vocshopgames.chess_0.0.5_all.ipk
May 21 20:07:26 <Rick_work> hybrid chess app
May 21 20:07:37 <Rick_work> binary engine, javascript front end.  Ready for alpha testing.
May 21 20:08:58 <haeffb> chess is too hard. got checkers? or even better, tic-tac-toe?
May 21 20:16:19 <HattCzech_work> okay, how does the palm catalog show my app as 4mb?
May 21 20:17:03 <HattCzech_work> (with the app catalog patch to show downloads, version and size)
May 21 20:17:17 <swisstomcat> i've never found out why the size is so off
May 21 20:17:43 <HattCzech_work> very odd... is chuqui around?
May 21 20:17:53 <HattCzech_work> doesn't appear to be
May 21 20:18:50 <haeffb> Rick_work: the icon kinda blends into the background in launcher
May 21 20:19:33 <MetaView> HattCzech: the whole src folder and then maybe the size on the drive?
May 21 20:19:58 <HattCzech_work> even with EVERYTHING (including old versions of the src), my folder is 1.15mb
May 21 20:20:17 <HattCzech_work> and the ipk itself is 70k
May 21 20:20:24 <haeffb> HattCzech_: it's not just you. it's everyone.
May 21 20:20:34 <HattCzech_work> that's just really weird
May 21 20:20:44 * sugardave noticed that apps seemed abnormally large the other day.
May 21 20:20:50 <Rick_work> We'll change the icon before release.
May 21 20:20:53 <swisstomcat> maybe it has something to do with the fat32 partition and sector sizes?
May 21 20:21:00 <MetaView> I gues
May 21 20:21:02 <MetaView> +s
May 21 20:21:04 <haeffb> Rick_work: cant get anything to happen ... the board just sits there
May 21 20:21:11 <swisstomcat> test it on dev or emu, rick?
May 21 20:21:15 <sugardave> haeffb: that's because chess is hard
May 21 20:21:24 <haeffb> good point. I'm on emu.
May 21 20:21:40 <Rick_work> haeffb try going into preferences and turning AI on for one player...
May 21 20:21:45 <Rick_work> Should be for DEVICE not emu
May 21 20:21:52 <swisstomcat> allright
May 21 20:21:53 <haeffb> Oh, ok.
May 21 20:22:09 <Rick_work> or turn the ai on for BOTH players and watch it play itself
May 21 20:22:42 <haeffb> thats more like my style.
May 21 20:23:07 <haeffb> sit back & have a beer while the computer beats itself at chess
May 21 20:23:28 <swisstomcat> heh
May 21 20:23:43 <HattCzech_work> brilliant!
May 21 20:23:50 <HattCzech_work> a game that plays itself!
May 21 20:23:53 <HattCzech_work> BRILLIANT!
May 21 20:25:05 <swisstomcat> nothing happens here
May 21 20:25:12 <swisstomcat> it just sits at the board
May 21 20:25:36 <PrimerFender> Is it true that the calendar API only allows access to events that your app has created? For example, I wish to retrieve all events for the next 24hr period from any visible calendar (visible as set by the calendar app)
May 21 20:25:40 <swisstomcat> both players are set to play with the engine
May 21 20:25:55 <swisstomcat> primerfender: correct, unless you're a palm app
May 21 20:26:08 <PrimerFender> can I become a palm app LOL?
May 21 20:26:14 <swisstomcat> sure
May 21 20:26:26 <swisstomcat> homebrew
May 21 20:26:33 <swisstomcat> look at the app "agenda"
May 21 20:26:41 <PrimerFender> ha, ok thanks
May 21 20:27:01 <haeffb> Rick_work: still nothing.
May 21 20:27:01 <haeffb> just call your app com.palm.whatever
May 21 20:27:25 <haeffb> but you will never get com.palm.whatever into the catalog.
May 21 20:27:27 <pandora--> heh
May 21 20:27:32 * sugardave is failing to grasp the subtleties of "capture phase" versus "bubbling phase" and can't seem to find the helpful doc page.
May 21 20:28:03 <haeffb> phase of what?
May 21 20:28:12 <sugardave> mojo event propagation
May 21 20:28:27 <sugardave> the optional 4th argument for Mojo.Event.listen
May 21 20:28:36 <PrimerFender> haeffb: just reading your agenda app. thanks for the info, i too, am working on a proof of concept type thingy so not too worried about, but thanks
May 21 20:33:41 <swisstomcat> rick_work: doesn't work here
May 21 20:35:05 <swisstomcat> rick_work: i've got a bunch of errors in the log
May 21 20:41:12 <swisstomcat> rick_work:  Uncaught TypeError: Object #<an HTMLObjectElement> has no method 'plugin_calculate', app/assistants/game-assistant.js:95
May 21 20:52:19 <sugardave> AHHHHH, enlightenment
May 21 20:57:02 <haeffb> AHHHHHH, check from Palm
May 21 20:57:14 <haeffb> enlightenment it probably worth more.
May 21 20:57:26 <swisstomcat> heh
May 21 20:57:37 <sugardave> I don't think I will get a check from Palm for a while
May 21 21:00:44 <MetaView> check? paypal
May 21 21:01:07 <Tibfib> sigh, I need to get a paid app out there
May 21 21:01:31 <MetaView> admob still sends more money than palm
May 21 21:02:05 <haeffb> paypal
May 21 21:02:27 * haeffb should put ads in Agenda
May 21 21:02:40 <haeffb> but /me hates adds
May 21 21:02:47 <swisstomcat> night everyone
May 21 21:03:06 <HattCzech_work> night
May 21 21:03:09 <HattCzech_work> thanks again
May 21 21:03:11 <Tibfib> cya
May 21 21:03:13 <sugardave> night
May 21 21:03:15 <MetaView> me too, that's the reason I make a paid app for each of my own apps I like to use :)
May 21 21:03:17 <swisstomcat> how long do metaview updates take?
May 21 21:03:23 * Tibfib hates ads too.
May 21 21:03:28 <swisstomcat> oops
May 21 21:03:28 <MetaView> updates in catalog?
May 21 21:03:36 <MetaView> last was almost a week
May 21 21:03:37 <swisstomcat> uups metadata updates :)
May 21 21:03:46 <MetaView> never tried :)
May 21 21:04:11 <swisstomcat> guess i'll find out
May 21 21:04:14 <HattCzech_work> i hate them as well, but i'm going to make mine disappear for people who donate
May 21 21:04:23 <swisstomcat> animal memory is up to 20 sales :(
May 21 21:05:15 <MetaView> swisstomcat: which isn't bad at all
May 21 21:05:31 <MetaView> or other way around, mine are worse after 1 week
May 21 21:06:04 <swisstomcat> it was released on the 17th
May 21 21:07:38 <swisstomcat> night
May 21 21:07:43 <MetaView> n8
May 21 21:08:33 <Rick_work> well crud puppies, that means that there's a post-inst script that has to run.
May 21 21:08:38 <Rick_work> Ok, no problem, I'll get on it.
May 21 21:08:40 <Rick_work> Thanks
May 21 21:08:41 <Rick_work> Rick
May 21 21:17:32 <sugardave> is it true that Mojo.Event.liste('anElement',.......) will get the element by name OR id attribute?
May 21 21:17:36 <sugardave> or only by id?
May 21 21:17:50 <sugardave> well, listen, not liste
May 21 21:18:28 <sugardave> oh wait
May 21 21:18:30 <haeffb> well, first, Mojo.Event.listen() needs a ref to an element
May 21 21:18:34 <sugardave> I'm thinking of setupWidget
May 21 21:18:36 <sugardave> nevermind
May 21 21:18:42 <haeffb> this.controller.get('anElement')
May 21 21:18:44 <sugardave> I got it it now
May 21 21:18:49 <sugardave> thanks
May 21 21:18:55 <haeffb> no, I'm going to keep going...
May 21 21:18:55 <HattCzech_work> hmmm autoConfirmDelete on a list widget doesn't seem to work properly
May 21 21:19:08 * sugardave smacks haeffb around with a large trout.
May 21 21:19:36 <HattCzech_work> ohhh, the good old mIRC days
May 21 21:19:59 <HattCzech_work> autoConfirmDelete: false
May 21 21:20:10 <HattCzech_work> swipe... and gone... no question about if i really wanted to
May 21 21:22:41 <haeffb> autoconfirmDelete: false
May 21 21:22:50 <haeffb> case will get you every time
May 21 21:25:25 <HattCzech_work> ahahhhhh... thanks
May 21 21:25:48 <HattCzech_work> copied it from documentation somewhere
May 21 21:26:36 <sugardave> Palm docs?  Brave man
May 21 21:27:12 <HattCzech_work> hmmm
May 21 21:27:15 <HattCzech_work> still failing
May 21 21:27:30 <MetaView> I think it's correct in the docs
May 21 21:27:34 <HattCzech_work> (as in, not popping up delete and cancel)
May 21 21:27:50 <MetaView> shouldwork
May 21 21:27:56 <MetaView> (tm)
May 21 21:28:25 <MetaView> autoconfirmDelete:false,
May 21 21:28:52 <MetaView> it works here
May 21 21:28:57 <HattCzech_work> very odd
May 21 21:29:09 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: using komodo edit?
May 21 21:29:09 <MetaView> app not updated
May 21 21:29:18 <HattCzech_work> i just tried setting up the widget with BOTH autoconfirmDelete:false and autoConfirmDelete:false
May 21 21:29:27 <HattCzech_work> i am using komodo edit
May 21 21:29:27 <MetaView> have another nice pacth: show unread emails in email icon
May 21 21:29:32 <sugardave> on windows?
May 21 21:29:37 <HattCzech_work> yes
May 21 21:29:44 * MetaView too
May 21 21:29:47 <sugardave> delete the app off the emu by force
May 21 21:29:48 * haeffb finally found why I need this.controller.getStageProxy instead of this.controller.getStageController
May 21 21:29:52 <sugardave> restart komodo
May 21 21:29:56 <sugardave> try again
May 21 21:29:58 <HattCzech_work> okay
May 21 21:30:04 <MetaView> no, just bump the version
May 21 21:30:10 <sugardave> that might work
May 21 21:30:19 <sugardave> I like to hit things with hammers though
May 21 21:30:28 <haeffb> big hammers
May 21 21:31:07 <sugardave> haeffb: getStageProxy because stage creation from the app controller doesn't guarantee it will be ready when the function returns?
May 21 21:31:10 <sugardave> or something?
May 21 21:31:39 <haeffb> in my app handleLaunch, I may need to handle TWO or MORE alarms at the same time.
May 21 21:31:47 <MetaView> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/246344-request-mail-application-icon-showing-number-unread-mails-3.html#post2467349
May 21 21:31:58 <haeffb> so, the second arrives before the dash stage is finished being created.
May 21 21:32:05 <HattCzech_work> well, this is annoying... sugardave, that didn't work
May 21 21:32:05 <sugardave> haeffb: oh, and those are each individual stages or something?
May 21 21:32:10 <HattCzech_work> trying the version bump
May 21 21:32:26 <haeffb> & getStageController says no stage, so I try to create a new one, but can't have two stages with the same name.
May 21 21:32:28 <MetaView> then remove it from the emu
May 21 21:32:40 <haeffb> getStageProxy, on the other hand works.
May 21 21:32:48 <HattCzech_work> i removed and added, relaunched
May 21 21:32:51 <sugardave> version bump would work, I left out one more thing with mine...gotta delete the already built .ipk, too
May 21 21:32:59 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, i can do that
May 21 21:33:30 <haeffb> because I use delegateToSceneAssistant to handle the second (or more) with the stageProxy
May 21 21:34:21 <HattCzech_work> urg... FAIL!
May 21 21:34:30 <sugardave> haeffb: when I finally get around to needing to write a multi-staged, proxying application, you are my numbah wan guy
May 21 21:34:31 <HattCzech_work> okay, now version bump
May 21 21:35:09 <haeffb> why is the cat staring at the TV - which is turned off?
May 21 21:35:22 <sugardave> it wants you to turn it on, duh
May 21 21:35:32 <sugardave> isn't it time for jeopardy?
May 21 21:35:36 <MetaView> it's the movie about fishes
May 21 21:37:50 <HattCzech_work> urg, now this is getting frustrating
May 21 21:40:57 <haeffb> pastie?
May 21 21:41:24 <sugardave> two please!
May 21 21:42:13 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/Gh5c7Hvb
May 21 21:42:28 <HattCzech_work> i tried autoConfirm and autoconfirm
May 21 21:42:30 <HattCzech_work> it worked
May 21 21:42:38 <HattCzech_work> BEFORE i added a checkbox to the list item
May 21 21:43:59 <haeffb> it really should be a small c
May 21 21:44:14 <haeffb> what happened after you added a checkbox?
May 21 21:44:29 <MetaView> yes, small c
May 21 21:45:03 <HattCzech_work> it doesn't autoconfirm after i added the checkbox
May 21 21:45:08 <HattCzech_work> changed it to a small c now
May 21 21:45:35 <haeffb> how do you setupWidget the checkbox?
May 21 21:46:07 <HattCzech_work> i don'
May 21 21:46:08 <HattCzech_work> t
May 21 21:46:13 <HattCzech_work> it does it automatically
May 21 21:48:19 <HattCzech_work> the item has a value object
May 21 21:48:37 <HattCzech_work> so it works like magic
May 21 21:49:05 <HattCzech_work> the extremely irritating thing is... i do this on another scene... and it works!
May 21 21:53:40 <Tibfib> what is more efficient speed-wise? having one php file with a switch structure for the different ajax request functions, or multiple php files for each ajax request function?
May 21 21:57:33 <sugardave> Tibfib: I'd guess the former, coupled with some kind of server-side caching
May 21 21:57:47 <sugardave> but I could be totally wrong
May 21 21:58:26 <MetaView> why should one php file be faster?
May 21 21:59:07 <sugardave> I don't know, I'm guessing
May 21 22:00:09 <sugardave> it's probably just my style, one monolithic "server" script and passing different "op"s in my Ajax calls
May 21 22:01:36 <MetaView> I'm off, g'night
May 21 22:01:42 <sugardave> night
May 21 22:01:51 <Tibfib> I think I'm going to do one script
May 21 22:01:54 <Tibfib> cya
May 21 22:02:44 <haeffb> HattCzech_: pastie the whole setup() & the HTML
May 21 22:03:03 <HattCzech_work> k
May 21 22:03:05 <sugardave> I suppose if one family of operations were a large enough block, you could have a separate script for them
May 21 22:04:32 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/Papb8x7L
May 21 22:05:56 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/4L90isLq
May 21 22:11:13 <haeffb> #
May 21 22:11:13 <haeffb>                 this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement((this.group.name) ? null : this.controller.get('groupName'));
May 21 22:11:13 <haeffb> #
May 21 22:11:18 <pacemkr> how long is the app review process nowadays?
May 21 22:11:32 <haeffb> depends. 24 hours? 7 days?
May 21 22:11:48 <haeffb> HattCzech_: nothing wrong with that...I just liked it. cool.
May 21 22:12:28 <pacemkr> mine has been "ready for review" for a few days
May 21 22:12:46 <haeffb> I don't know whats wrong...try removing the id from the checkbox... ?
May 21 22:14:58 <HattCzech_work> pacemkr: mine got done in less than 2
May 21 22:15:40 <HattCzech_work> i'll give that a shot
May 21 22:15:54 <haeffb> I submitted a new app on Sunday & it was in the catalog Tues morning. I submitted a meta update Tues morning & it was added Tues afternoon.
May 21 22:16:05 <haeffb> but I think that's very unusual.
May 21 22:16:51 <HattCzech_work> haeffb: nope, didn't work
May 21 22:16:52 <pacemkr> eh, i guess ill have to wait till monday to see if anything changes then
May 21 22:17:19 <HattCzech_work> yeah, submitted wed (mid morning) and in catalog early this morning
May 21 22:17:20 <haeffb> sorry, I'm not seeing anything else...
May 21 22:17:31 <HattCzech_work> haeffb: neither am i :) haha
May 21 22:17:41 <HattCzech_work> and like i said... works on my other scene
May 21 22:21:24 <pacemkr> whats the progblem hatt?
May 21 22:21:45 <haeffb> what else is different between the two scenes?
May 21 22:22:18 <HattCzech_work> not a whole lot... even the items are similar
May 21 22:22:25 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: where does the checkbox get its value property?
May 21 22:22:30 <HattCzech_work> pacemkr: the autoconfirmDelete option is not liking me
May 21 22:22:46 <HattCzech_work> from the object for the list itme
May 21 22:22:51 <HattCzech_work> item*
May 21 22:23:41 <pacemkr> isnt it set to false?
May 21 22:24:06 <sugardave> aren't you supposed to have the 'value' property defined in the parent widget?
May 21 22:24:24 <sugardave> or is it supposed to work as a property of an object in the items array?
May 21 22:24:26 <HattCzech_work> the item passed in has the value property
May 21 22:24:32 <sugardave> okay
May 21 22:24:43 <HattCzech_work> so it does it automatically
May 21 22:24:48 <sugardave> right
May 21 22:24:56 <HattCzech_work> yeah, i COULD set it up, but i figured i'd use what was there
May 21 22:25:11 <HattCzech_work> (i already had a value property, so i renamed it)
May 21 22:26:02 <haeffb> reorder: false ?
May 21 22:26:15 * haeffb is grasping at straws
May 21 22:26:25 <HattCzech_work> hahah, sure, let's try that
May 21 22:27:03 <dawm|laptop> today's google logo has to be the best one ever
May 21 22:27:12 <HattCzech_work> hehe, nope
May 21 22:27:21 <HattCzech_work> dawm|laptop: indeed it does
May 21 22:27:27 <dawm|laptop> did you know its two player?
May 21 22:27:35 <sugardave> ha no
May 21 22:27:37 <HattCzech_work> no, i didn't
May 21 22:27:41 <dawm|laptop> hah
May 21 22:27:45 <dawm|laptop> use the insert coin button
May 21 22:27:48 <dawm|laptop> a few times
May 21 22:27:51 <dawm|laptop> you get ms pacman
May 21 22:27:55 <HattCzech_work> lol cool
May 21 22:27:59 <sugardave> awesome
May 21 22:28:04 <dawm|laptop> wasd controls her, arrow keys and mouse controls pacman
May 21 22:28:26 <dawm|laptop> and ya know its not flash or a java applet :}
May 21 22:28:59 <dawm|laptop> someone could borrow it and make it webos compat pretty easily
May 21 22:29:41 <HattCzech_work> okay, so it shows the delete cancel for a split second...
May 21 22:30:01 <HattCzech_work> (i made it false and it wasn't there)
May 21 22:30:10 <HattCzech_work> so it's TRYING to confirm
May 21 22:30:17 <HattCzech_work> but not caring what i press
May 21 22:30:37 <HattCzech_work> but time to leave, so i will look at this later
May 21 22:30:43 <HattCzech_work> thanks for the attempts
May 21 22:31:01 <pacemkr> if its not caring then you should prolly look at your handler function?
May 21 22:31:24 <dawm|laptop> i bet youve got a typo
May 21 22:32:36 <dawm|laptop> wtf.. trying to look on bestbuys site but chrome is acting dog slow..  oh now it crashes
May 21 22:32:36 <HattCzech_work> i'll do that
May 21 22:32:41 <HattCzech_work> thanks
May 21 22:34:14 <dawm|laptop> hrm.. i think its cause dropbox is syncing over my lan.. macbook is on fire ;p
May 21 22:37:20 <RagingMind> anyone in here use IM+ and what do ya think of it?
May 21 22:37:39 <Roy-Pre101> There's a review up on webos101.com
May 21 22:37:47 <Roy-Pre101> I don't use it.
May 21 22:37:57 <dawm|laptop> i didnt like it on my winmo fone so i wasnt even gonna try it on my pre
May 21 22:38:42 <dawm|laptop> hrm.. kernel_task using 130% cpu.. not good
May 21 22:42:23 <haeffb> anyone ever tried capturing the swipe gesture on a dashboard?
May 21 22:55:27 <Tibfib> so guys, random text/numbers or user-pickable strings for usernames?
May 21 22:55:43 <Tibfib> user-enterable
May 21 23:01:13 <haeffb> any thoughts? : http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2467475&posted=1#post2467475
May 21 23:01:54 <Tibfib> haeffb: noon
May 21 23:02:07 <haeffb> Tibfib: timestamp for userid & user-enterable string for username
May 21 23:02:34 <haeffb> timestamp will be unique per user & will allow them to change their username if they wish
May 21 23:02:49 <Tibfib> not a bad idea
May 21 23:03:12 <haeffb> you'll be able to pick time of day - from a list or timepicker
May 21 23:03:38 <Tibfib> haeffb: As opposed to midnight, I'd go for noon
May 21 23:04:29 <Tibfib> That way the person is reminded to do it during the day, instead of feeling bad for not finishing it that day :)
May 21 23:07:00 <Tibfib> haeffb: what will be the "to" in convos? the user id or username? I'd hate to have 8+ digits for contact
May 21 23:07:36 <haeffb> username
May 21 23:08:08 <haeffb> but you need to tie them together somehow. maybe with magic
May 21 23:08:21 <Tibfib> heh, I'm kind of out :O
May 21 23:13:03 <Tibfib> haeffb: for done!, I like click on app icon in dashboard, launch list view, or main screen. tap on task open up specific screen of task
May 21 23:14:14 <haeffb> ...yes, except that the user may have filtered the list so that the task doesn't show up...
May 21 23:15:12 <Tibfib> for the app icon click?
May 21 23:15:45 <Tibfib> well that's okay. icon launches app, message launches specific scene
May 21 23:16:57 <haeffb> oh, ok.
May 21 23:17:04 <haeffb> i gotcha
May 22 01:49:21 <haeffb> morning, rwhitby
May 22 01:50:07 <rwhitby> g'day haeffb
May 22 02:04:15 <Tibfib> halfhalo: when do you think you could help me out with the file transfer?
May 22 02:06:44 <halfhalo> Sunday?  i would tomorrow but have to go to wedding
May 22 02:07:01 <halfhalo> and I have no dev enviroment set up on any computer right now
May 22 02:07:32 <Tibfib> I mostly just need samples and questions answered
May 22 02:07:44 <Tibfib> I should be on sunday afternoon
May 22 02:08:25 <halfhalo> well, I can do general questions now, but no examples/detailed crap
May 22 02:09:52 <Tibfib> I used the data sample app's method for converting a image to base64 and then displaying.... and I couldn't get it to send the file online.
May 22 02:10:14 <Tibfib> it probably would be easier with samples and stuff :)
May 22 02:11:25 <halfhalo> Heh
May 22 02:11:36 <halfhalo> Did you look at the downloadmanager api stuff?
May 22 02:12:24 <halfhalo> the upload stuff should let you interface with a php server easily
May 22 02:17:18 <Tibfib> halfhalo: ooh, no I haven't. will do
May 22 02:17:38 <halfhalo> yeah
May 22 02:17:46 <halfhalo> Its much cleaner than using POST
May 22 02:17:52 <Tibfib> is that what you do?
May 22 02:18:12 <halfhalo> Yeah
May 22 02:18:49 <Tibfib> then do you insert the file into the db server side?
May 22 02:18:49 <halfhalo> I really should find my extra hd… it has all my laptops Backups on it including my webos projects
May 22 02:22:33 <dawm|laptop> soo
May 22 02:23:19 <dawm|laptop> i got my app revenue payment today, but it was less than what the report for april says..
May 22 02:24:18 <dawm|laptop> must be due to the other currencies
May 22 02:25:26 <dawm|laptop> the payment i received was only for USD (US/Canada)
May 22 02:26:29 <dawm|laptop> short 17.87euros :P
May 22 02:29:36 <Tibfib> fluxuating currency exchange rates?
May 22 02:29:58 <Tibfib> oh, nvm
May 22 02:35:42 <bpadalino> anyone know if i declare a PDK object in an html file with a width=0 and height=0, will it just get instantiated but not take up any screen realestate ?
May 22 02:36:13 <bpadalino> i essentially want a C++ algorithm interface, but js/html as the front end
May 22 02:52:25 <PrimerFender> haven't touched PDK, yet. i would imagine there is some way to do it as it is primarily a "plug-in" ?
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