**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 21 02:59:57 2010
May 21 03:00:09 * rwhitby is building uberkernel for 1.4.2
May 21 03:00:23 cooolll
May 21 03:01:02 * JenP playing with webos101 design
May 21 03:01:52 um....
May 21 03:02:03 I'm...uh....hmmm....
May 21 03:03:44 JenP: Yay!
May 21 03:03:51 lol hi roy
May 21 03:04:21 i'm going with fem. fonts and masc. colors
May 21 03:04:41 * haeffb_pre played with webos101 content earlier
May 21 03:04:45 haeffb: Yay!
May 21 03:04:59 haeffb: Did you add the note about enter key in custom dialogs?
May 21 03:05:10 nope
May 21 03:05:12 Because... I use enter to submit in my high score dialog and it works fine.
May 21 03:05:26 I wonder who put that there.
May 21 03:06:44 I use enter to move from field 2 field
May 21 03:07:09 look @ history...
May 21 03:07:42 JenP: What are the squares in the center for? And you have some
on the page.
May 21 03:08:09 the squares will be containers for catagories/groups...etc
May 21 03:08:19 Mmm.
May 21 03:08:27 oh and i'm having your logo designed
May 21 03:08:32 I was going to suggest maybe having a section of SDK and a section for PDK.
May 21 03:08:43 I think that's a great suggestion
May 21 03:08:45 add it
May 21 03:09:11 :D
May 21 03:09:11 Once you all figure out what you want inside the boxes I can design around it
May 21 03:09:37 (fl)
May 21 03:09:52 I will have to put on my thinking cap later. I haven't done it yet because I just haven't had time to give it the level of thought it needs.
May 21 03:10:21 A logo, eh? That'd be great. David (webOSroundup guy) was going to make a logo at some point but he's been busy.
May 21 03:10:41 oh well i can turn it off...it's not too late
May 21 03:11:34 anyone use the functions builtin to prototype?
May 21 03:12:49 Roy-Pre101: it wasn't me and it wasn't you... http://www.webos101.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dialogs&action=history
May 21 03:13:12 PrimerFender: I use them a bit.
May 21 03:13:38 We have been cautioned that Prototype may go away at some point but (as of now) so much relies upon it I don't see it happening quickly.
May 21 03:14:01 I'm trying to use setStyle() to rotate something
May 21 03:14:05 but it no worky
May 21 03:14:24 How are you doing it?
May 21 03:14:29 pastebin or it didn't happen!
May 21 03:14:40 >cough< sorry, got carried away.
May 21 03:14:44 lol k one sec it's on another computer
May 21 03:17:15 http://webos.pastebin.com/FSne4EfK
May 21 03:17:23 As you can see, I am disecting the clock app
May 21 03:17:38 The errrorDialog shows up if I comment out the setStyle
May 21 03:18:04 So I'm wondering if I am not referencing the function correctly? some kind of this.$ or something
May 21 03:23:35 Where do you think hourHand is set?
May 21 03:24:24 omg
May 21 03:25:10 * PrimerFender press his palm (not his phone) to his face
May 21 03:25:26 Logging and try/catch are you friend.
May 21 03:25:41 yeah, gotta look into that
May 21 03:26:02 also, remembering what you named your variables...that helps too :-P
May 21 03:32:19 poke
May 21 03:32:49 >footest<
May 21 03:33:29 hrm
May 21 03:33:53 something primerfender said generated a js error in pound
May 21 03:34:35 Intriguing.
May 21 03:34:46 * Rubin maybe it was an action?
May 21 03:35:30 http://webos.pastebin.com/FSne4EfK
May 21 03:36:06 weird.
May 21 03:50:06 k guys i gotta get back to work....i'll ttyt
May 21 04:00:03 what's a #?
May 21 04:01:38 in what context?
May 21 04:01:43 evening all
May 21 04:01:56 oh, you said I generated a js error in pound
May 21 04:02:29 in that context, pound is an irc app for the pre
May 21 04:04:17 ooops. i didnt realize i was that powerful ;-)
May 21 04:04:37 im not sure what it was, i couldn't reproduce it
May 21 04:05:09 the error was to do with "ScrollLeft" which I don't think I ever call. so something with the gui moving around due to changed content? who knows.
May 21 04:05:37 this.$
May 21 04:05:53 i do escape javascript :)
May 21 04:06:13 yeah, it escapes me too
May 21 04:06:20 heh
May 21 04:07:02 setStyle()
May 21 04:07:14 * Rubin you did something (like this) maybe
May 21 04:07:20 but doesnt cause it now...
May 21 04:07:49 * PrimerFender maybe it is only (when I do it) that it breaks
May 21 04:08:39 didnt break that time tho
May 21 04:08:54 oh well, i suppose I'll have to rediscover my super powers some other time
May 21 04:13:23 hrm.
May 21 04:13:36 did someone ban asdfasfdsadf or something?
May 21 04:13:40 its getting cannot send to chan
May 21 04:15:00 they need to register
May 21 04:15:18 i had that issue when i logged in from work
May 21 04:15:20 oh
May 21 04:15:32 damn freenode and their weird modes
May 21 04:15:44 hehehe, agreed
May 21 04:21:44 hmmm, anyone experienced with the filterlist?
May 21 04:23:28 i think oil mentioned he played with the one for preware
May 21 04:24:22 ping oil
May 21 04:24:54 i'm havin troubles hiding/showing the header bar in my scene with the filterfield
May 21 04:32:01 okay, I started this one: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Event.stopListening
May 21 04:32:30 Rubin: is that nick registered with nickserv?
May 21 04:32:43 no
May 21 04:32:48 that'sn why
May 21 04:32:53 must be, yeah
May 21 04:32:58 only registered users can talk in this channel
May 21 04:33:22 its just crazy freenode mode crap. when i tried to change the nick it said you cant change nick while banned in a channel
May 21 04:33:39 but thats just binding an outdated error msg to a new feature
May 21 04:33:48 * Rubin has seen ircd source code, understands
May 21 04:42:30 hah, gotit
May 21 04:44:04 Roy-Pre101: do you have any thoughts on additional categories you want added to the wiki?
May 21 04:46:43 sugardave: i'd like to see some info on passing an object back to a scene via the back gesture
May 21 04:46:50 if it's even possible
May 21 04:47:36 BigBiff: two problems with that
May 21 04:47:45 1: that's not a category
May 21 04:47:49 BigBiff: It's quite easy to do.
May 21 04:47:52 2: I have no idea :P
May 21 04:47:58 hehe
May 21 04:48:00 sugardave: Categories....
May 21 04:49:15 I'd like to break things out at some point into: Tutorial, Tips, Documentation, code snippets...
May 21 04:49:38 Tutorials and how-to's
May 21 04:49:58 alright, I was think of adding Mojo Framework as a category, but that will fall under Documentation I suppose
May 21 04:50:00 Maybe some underlying theory.
May 21 04:50:15 now for the hard part, how to make my clock update on it's own...
May 21 04:50:43 PrimerFender: setInterval() ?
May 21 04:50:43 Now for the hard part, teaching PrimerFender it's vs. its.
May 21 04:50:48 haha
May 21 04:50:54 ;)
May 21 04:51:33 There's a Mojo SDK page that should lead to API, Services and Widgets.
May 21 04:51:53 What exactly would framework have, sugardave? A discussion of the innards of the framework itself?
May 21 04:52:55 no, I just made a page and I was going to categorize it, but I'm wondering what I should call it...Documentation works
May 21 04:53:11 there are only two defined categories atm
May 21 04:53:33 Ah, you mean [Category:]
May 21 04:53:43 Yeah, need to clean up that stuff at some point, I guess.
May 21 04:53:44 yeah
May 21 04:53:54 Open to any ideas.
May 21 04:54:11 Should open up a discussion page on the wiki somewhere.
May 21 04:54:15 okay, I will ponder it...iirc it's a bitch to delete categories
May 21 04:54:27 so you don't want to get out of hand making them
May 21 04:56:19 and, to be fair, I don't always recall correctly, so...
May 21 04:58:43 hehe its ok
May 21 05:15:44 setInterval does not like me either
May 21 05:18:22 it (and setTimeout) are pretty picky about how you call them
May 21 05:21:20 PrimerFender: something like this might work out: http://webos.pastebin.com/AuM06P94
May 21 05:21:53 (I might have forgotten something, that's from memory)
May 21 05:22:25 and then you can use clearInterval(this.intervalId) later to stop it
May 21 05:25:52 i just got it, this.timerID= setInterval(this.updateClock().bind(this), 1000);
May 21 05:26:10 i don't know why I have to do the .bind(this) and set the whole thing to a variable like that
May 21 05:26:40 * PrimerFender is not familiar with bindings
May 21 05:26:45 you can skip the variable assignment....but then the interval will run FOREVER, FORever, Forever, forev...
May 21 05:27:13 webos bros starting to take the first steps into growing grapes in texas
May 21 05:27:14 you need it to pass to clearInterval when your scene deactivates and times like that
May 21 05:28:24 the bind part is, well, I say to myself "just because"
May 21 05:28:36 hi LoneStar99
May 21 05:28:40 MetaView:
May 21 05:29:02 hello sugardave
May 21 05:30:43 lol, well thanks I will investigate it further
May 21 07:10:15 morning
May 21 08:14:56 mornng
May 21 08:18:28 morning?
May 21 08:19:00 yeah had a few
May 21 08:23:31 how u doing?
May 21 08:26:07 swisstomcat: why do you live in switzerland if your folks live in montana?
May 21 08:26:26 they emigrated, i decided to stay here
May 21 08:27:15 right on
May 21 08:28:37 you have your own family in switzerland?
May 21 08:29:13 yeah
May 21 08:29:34 i wouldn't mind working there for a year or so tho
May 21 08:29:38 in the us
May 21 08:30:33 yeah
May 21 08:30:42 you have the knowledge
May 21 08:32:27 i am almost out of coding, gonna grow plants
May 21 08:33:14 pot plants? :)
May 21 08:33:55 worked for myself mostly 10 years coding, and was left with nothing
May 21 08:34:31 no pot
May 21 08:34:45 freaking wine vines
May 21 08:36:21 gonna see if texas can make a wine as good as a european and californian
May 21 08:36:53 i think we can
May 21 08:37:14 or better
May 21 08:37:24 and cheaper
May 21 08:39:34 it is just starting off in texas
May 21 08:44:00 what you think about the idea swisstomcat
May 21 08:44:31 sounds like a good idea
May 21 08:44:46 do you have enough water?
May 21 08:45:09 yeah
May 21 08:45:45 what is needed are mountains, to send breezes to the vines
May 21 08:46:29 don't remember many mountains in texas
May 21 08:46:40 yeah exactly
May 21 08:49:09 what you think about this: a dude or business wants to make a webos app that all it does is search a business product etc.. but they do not need to code, all gui to make the app
May 21 08:53:47 the system would self pack the ipk, just like ares, but no coding
May 21 08:54:05 that should work
May 21 08:54:07 code generation
May 21 08:55:37 just need to find out how to make a dynamic ipk
May 21 08:56:49 call palm-package
May 21 08:56:52 i know it is just a gzip file with other compression, but trying to figure how proper compressions
May 21 08:58:08 have uncompressed an ipk
May 21 08:58:36 but the key to compress the code into an ipk
May 21 08:58:45 can't you just call palm-package from a script?
May 21 09:00:39 not sure
May 21 09:01:27 palm-package work on windows command line right, but about linux or unix?
May 21 09:02:04 same
May 21 09:02:39 i'm on linux
May 21 09:03:24 hmm.. will look into that
May 21 09:04:18 can you email me the linux "palm-package"?
May 21 09:04:28 diego@earthoid.com
May 21 09:10:07 you probably need the sdk installe
May 21 09:10:08 d
May 21 09:10:29 since it calls webos-tools.jar
May 21 09:11:21 yeah it is all java stuff
May 21 09:11:24 true that
May 21 09:12:20 i'd play around in a linux virtual machine
May 21 09:12:43 on a sever java is heavy, if can be converted to a simple script it would awesome
May 21 09:13:53 looked into some months ago, but been slacking off
May 21 09:14:32 do you think if i email palm for the code they would provide it?
May 21 09:15:19 i do not think so
May 21 09:16:08 i know 7zip will decompress an ipk, but the key is compressing files into a proper working ipk
May 21 09:17:59 on a linux vm you could play around with ipkg
May 21 09:19:54 k will try that this weekend, need to make my apps better
May 21 09:22:15 alright gonna crash, need to sleep, even though i do not want to but, will feel like shit if i don't
May 21 09:23:14 swisstomcat: have a great morning, chat in a few hours
May 21 09:23:27 allright, sleep well
May 21 09:23:38 thanks
May 21 09:38:19 brb, 72 virgins..
May 21 09:38:24 crap is it 21?
May 21 11:16:51 hi noaXess
May 21 11:17:28 http://elinux.org/images/7/76/MPT-ELC-2010.pdf
May 21 11:17:41 check page 35 onwards and especially page 45
May 21 12:31:09 hi warpdesign
May 21 12:31:21 hi swisstomcat
May 21 12:43:59 morning folks
May 21 12:45:55 Yay, hurdle #1 is down to releasing my game. I should have asked ages ago.
May 21 12:46:24 I had a photo I was using as my background and it wasn't licensed so I could use it. I finally just asked the artist if I could use it and she said 'yes'. :P
May 21 12:46:43 If I had done this months ago I would have been motivated to finish it.
May 21 12:51:26 rehi
May 21 13:03:55 Roy-Pre101: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MiniDM
May 21 13:04:31 new hidden app on AT&T Pre Plus, can be installed on other GSM Pre phones too
May 21 13:05:20 hmm
May 21 13:05:48 no text on that page yet :)
May 21 13:11:19 refresh it
May 21 13:13:23 cool
May 21 13:14:28 something to install on my device
May 21 13:17:31 install with ipkg (no -o) so that it goes in the rootfs, cause it's normally delivered as part of the initial flash
May 21 13:34:16 hi haeffb
May 21 13:35:01 will be interesting to see how it interfaces with the radio
May 21 13:35:08 hi sugardave
May 21 13:37:08 good morning
May 21 14:16:27 morning
May 21 14:18:15 morning bigbiff
May 21 14:24:31 hello world
May 21 14:27:04 cruel world
May 21 14:27:28 rwhitby: Interesting
May 21 14:33:28 hi roy-pre101,bmyers
May 21 14:34:00 hi swisstomcat
May 21 14:34:18 swisstomcat: Howdy swisstomcat
May 21 14:34:41 app sales are not as good as i thought :(
May 21 14:34:54 20 (7 settled)
May 21 14:35:50 how did you find the 20?
May 21 14:36:15 i have my own staticstics
May 21 14:36:23 statistics
May 21 14:36:26 hallo metaview
May 21 14:39:32 so what's the best way to handle DB schema changes on app update? say, adding a column?
May 21 14:40:20 * BigBiff needs to learn webos db
May 21 14:41:05 haeffb_pre: supposed to update the version number, is all I know
May 21 14:41:17 "just do it"
May 21 14:41:44 I'd guess as long as you aren't deleting columns, it's not that bad
May 21 14:41:51 haeffb_pre got the dl's hack for app catalog?
May 21 14:42:06 nope
May 21 14:42:15 just have to make sure to provide default data for existing records if the new column is not null
May 21 14:42:35 get it
May 21 14:42:41 preware
May 21 14:42:52 ok...
May 21 14:43:03 BigBiff: nobody here knows anything about Mojo dbs
May 21 14:43:12 hehe
May 21 14:43:16 it will show unsettled and re-dl's in your app cat on the device
May 21 14:43:53 where does it pull the unsettled data from?
May 21 14:44:28 it actually just unhides a hidden field in the app cat app
May 21 14:44:56 BigBiff: Anything on webos101.com about them?
May 21 14:45:04 I'm not sure.
May 21 14:45:05 BigBiff: just kidding: http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database
May 21 14:45:55 BigBiff: and this one: http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects
May 21 14:47:21 hmmm update for wirc
May 21 14:47:49 * haeffb_pre going to gone for a bit...
May 21 15:00:50 wirc is shinier
May 21 15:01:14 oooh! a timestamp!
May 21 15:01:59 and a lag meter, whatever that is
May 21 15:02:25 oil: nice...
May 21 15:03:25 irc server gives a lag response
May 21 15:04:14 yellow Ev symbol means...?
May 21 15:04:39 like the signal Ev? or in wirc (I don't use it)?
May 21 15:05:10 wirc
May 21 15:05:27