**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 26 02:59:57 2010
May 26 02:59:57 <LoneStar99> java on phone is like windows vista on a toaster
May 26 03:00:49 <LoneStar99> ironic enough java was invented to run on toasters
May 26 03:01:06 <reality9110> Come on...java has been on phones forever now
May 26 03:01:15 <STiK> wow... slackware 13.1 finally released
May 26 03:01:36 <je2345> whats slackware?
May 26 03:01:42 <STiK> lol
May 26 03:01:47 <reality9110> A copy of some guy's hard drive.
May 26 03:01:49 <STiK> http://www.slackware.com
May 26 03:02:13 <STiK> means I might disappear for awhile :|
May 26 03:02:24 <je2345> lol
May 26 03:02:24 <STiK> start working on compiz packages
May 26 03:02:56 <LoneStar99> there is a live feed of the bp oil spill on cnn, but my feed looks totally different
May 26 03:03:30 <STiK> ?? look like black screen?
May 26 03:03:56 <STiK> when is webos getting flash?
May 26 03:04:10 <STiK> should be soon no?
May 26 03:04:45 <kevinskocik> Yep
May 26 03:04:59 <STiK> That will be good for it
May 26 03:05:25 <Bmyers> i think flash developers are busy taking a beating on other platforms
May 26 03:05:55 <LoneStar99> STik: just looks like a jacuzzi jet spewing black gold
May 26 03:06:03 <STiK> lol
May 26 03:06:24 <je2345> quick question for some1....
May 26 03:07:09 <je2345> when preware tells me i got updates and i click update it takes me to the app catalog and only allows me to launch app and not update
May 26 03:07:38 <STiK> waaa?? preware tells you of app catalog updates now?
May 26 03:07:45 <kevinskocik> Yep.
May 26 03:07:48 <STiK> nice
May 26 03:08:22 <STiK> does it auto update your patches n such after updates now?
May 26 03:08:40 <BigBiff> hello
May 26 03:09:05 <STiK> You should ask that in internals je2345
May 26 03:09:34 <kevinskocik> Yes.
May 26 03:09:38 <LoneStar99> je2345: did you purchase the apps?
May 26 03:10:04 <zsoc> je2345: then there is a disconnect somewhere between your webos feeds and your app cat feeds. try doing a preware update feeds and make sure both palm cat and palm cat updates are enabled
May 26 03:12:10 <je2345> ok...no i dont buy apps...sorry! only Koush Rom Manager for Droid only app i pay for
May 26 03:12:21 <je2345> thanks zsoc
May 26 03:12:36 <je2345> unless something amazing comes along then i buy
May 26 03:12:59 <BigBiff> ping JenP
May 26 03:13:10 <JenP> pong
May 26 03:13:10 <sugardave> je2345: Yule Log is AMAZING
May 26 03:13:20 <je2345> whats that?
May 26 03:13:41 <sugardave> a joke, it's not really amazing :P
May 26 03:13:47 <STiK> lol @ Rom Manager
May 26 03:13:51 <BigBiff> did you find an easy way to retrieve sql into json the other night?
May 26 03:14:05 <BigBiff> seems like you were working on that
May 26 03:14:27 <JenP> yes i did thank you
May 26 03:14:39 <sugardave> BigBiff: I have the ultimate PHP/mySQL to webOS db example around
May 26 03:14:42 <BigBiff> i'm trying to remember the Object.clone script that someone put up (i'm stuck
May 26 03:14:53 <BigBiff> ya - i got that
May 26 03:15:00 <JenP> yes he does...sugardave example is great
May 26 03:15:18 <BigBiff> but from the sql on the pre
May 26 03:15:38 <BigBiff> wasnt there some Object.clone you had to deal with?
May 26 03:15:46 <sugardave> BigBiff: that shouldn't be too hard, either...each result comes back in a JSON object already
May 26 03:16:13 <BigBiff> okdoke, just wanted to make sure i wasnt overlooking something
May 26 03:16:18 <sugardave> BigBiff: the clone thing was what haeffb mentioned, so you can change things
May 26 03:16:34 <sugardave> if youjust want to display results, you don't need to clone the result
May 26 03:16:50 <sugardave> if you want to modify it, then you would need to clone, then re-insert
May 26 03:16:53 <BigBiff> i c
May 26 03:16:58 <haeffb> ping pong
May 26 03:17:13 <sugardave> var newObject = Object.clone(firstObject);
May 26 03:17:26 <LoneStar99> what web language uses the ".do" extention
May 26 03:17:27 <JenP> hi haeffb!
May 26 03:18:01 <haeffb> hi JenP
May 26 03:18:57 <BigBiff> ok next sql question
May 26 03:19:28 <sugardave> haeffb: why do you suppose Palm doesn't want us to use data URIs with either WebView widgets OR downloadmanager?
May 26 03:19:46 <haeffb> they don't like us?
May 26 03:20:06 <sugardave> I'm beginning to think that...
May 26 03:20:09 <BigBiff> which way would work most efficiently - retrieve sql data (to be placed in list in following scene) - then push the new scene?
May 26 03:20:19 <BigBiff> push scene first
May 26 03:20:25 <haeffb> push scene first
May 26 03:20:28 <sugardave> push scvene first
May 26 03:20:39 <sugardave> update the model in the success handler of the db read
May 26 03:20:43 <sugardave> list model
May 26 03:21:06 <BigBiff> ok - i didnt know if it would render more slowly that way
May 26 03:21:26 <sugardave> it's all perception
May 26 03:21:39 <sugardave> give them as much of the ui as possible and they will think it's "fast"
May 26 03:21:48 <sugardave> make them wait until all pieces are ready and it will be "slow"
May 26 03:22:05 <sugardave> M$ pioneered that one
May 26 03:23:36 <BigBiff> good to know
May 26 03:23:56 <haeffb> what y'all think of the notifications: http://img52.imageshack.us/i/captureni.png/
May 26 03:24:45 * sugardave wipes a tear from his eye.  "That's beautiful, man."
May 26 03:25:02 <BigBiff> very cool, haeffb
May 26 03:25:02 <haeffb> wow. that's exactly the response I was shooting for!
May 26 03:25:10 <sugardave> thmubs up!
May 26 03:25:13 <sugardave> thumbs, too
May 26 03:25:38 <sugardave> looks good, seriously...are the arrows supposed to have the points cut off?
May 26 03:25:43 <TheSavaLord> hi everyone
May 26 03:26:04 <kevinskocik> Looks good.
May 26 03:26:14 <Roy-Pre101> evenin' folks.
May 26 03:26:36 <haeffb> yeah, that's they way I drew 'em.
May 26 03:26:57 <haeffb> it's actually just an Arial Narrow < that is stretched
May 26 03:27:11 <LoneStar99> haeffb: what is that a screenshot of?
May 26 03:27:14 <LoneStar99> looks nice
May 26 03:27:20 <haeffb> not sure if they're gonna stay. They take a lot of room.
May 26 03:27:24 <haeffb> Done!
May 26 03:27:24 <TheSavaLord> I'm finnally getting some followers on twitter lol up to 14 now
May 26 03:27:56 <LoneStar99> TheSavaLord: nice
May 26 03:27:58 <je2345> peace out everyone
May 26 03:28:01 <BigBiff> 14 - thems is cult numbers
May 26 03:28:03 <LoneStar99> laters
May 26 03:28:10 <BigBiff> :-P
May 26 03:28:21 <STiK> later
May 26 03:28:30 <TheSavaLord> lol I was at 1 for the longest time
May 26 03:29:29 <haeffb> gotta jet. Laters peeps.
May 26 03:29:31 <TheSavaLord> there are a couple that I don't even know why they are following me
May 26 03:29:33 <LoneStar99> 14 is good
May 26 03:29:48 <TheSavaLord> see ya haeffb
May 26 03:43:47 <sugardave> more than half of the followers on my webOS dev twitter account are spammers
May 26 03:43:53 <sugardave> it's sad
May 26 03:49:07 <LoneStar99> that sucks
May 26 03:56:21 <pandora--> evenin
May 26 03:57:31 <LoneStar99> good evenin pandora
May 26 03:58:26 <TheSavaLord> sister called lol
May 26 03:59:11 <TheSavaLord> and VZ has cdma :(
May 26 04:01:15 <LoneStar99> cdma does not use sim cards is that correct?
May 26 04:01:22 <halfhalo> si
May 26 04:03:05 <TheSavaLord> got it
May 26 04:03:34 <TheSavaLord> it also doesn't support data/voice together
May 26 04:03:45 <halfhalo> meh, sorta
May 26 04:03:57 <halfhalo> It technically can, but sprint/vzw/etc don't
May 26 04:04:51 <TheSavaLord> no money here had fios tv suspended :(
May 26 04:07:23 <LoneStar99> what is fios?
May 26 04:07:36 <TheSavaLord> you don't know fios
May 26 04:07:54 <TheSavaLord> fiber optics to the home servicw
May 26 04:08:36 <TheSavaLord> the best internet and tv serice
May 26 04:08:44 <LoneStar99> what does that do to TV? higher resolution?
May 26 04:08:44 <TheSavaLord> service
May 26 04:09:47 <TheSavaLord> it's like cable/dishtv so on but yes the throughput is higher
May 26 04:09:57 <TheSavaLord> since it's going through fiber
May 26 04:10:55 <halfhalo> erm, what?
May 26 04:10:57 <TheSavaLord> www.verizon.com/fios or www.verizon.com/fiostv
May 26 04:11:01 <LoneStar99> k, it would make sense going through fiber, but also assume a person must have a sharp looking tube to see the real magic
May 26 04:11:30 <halfhalo> directv can and does stream a crapload more than fios could support
May 26 04:12:06 <TheSavaLord> except when it's storming lol
May 26 04:12:18 <halfhalo> Yeah.. no
May 26 04:12:30 <halfhalo> my cable internet cuts out more than my DTV
May 26 04:13:06 <TheSavaLord> cable internet is not the same as fios internet
May 26 04:13:23 <halfhalo> no, but their both attached to the same junction here
May 26 04:13:28 <halfhalo> which ALWAYS goes down
May 26 04:14:01 <TheSavaLord> verizon has nothing to do with cable here
May 26 04:14:13 <halfhalo> and same here
May 26 04:14:19 <halfhalo> the cable is via Time Warner
May 26 04:14:32 <LoneStar99> I assume FiOS includes channels... or is it just a fiber connection
May 26 04:14:37 <TheSavaLord> I hated roadrunner
May 26 04:14:45 <halfhalo> but they both connect through the local junction box, where both are connected to their respective nodes via fiber
May 26 04:14:55 <TheSavaLord> it's a full service
May 26 04:14:59 <halfhalo> fios internet and tv are different
May 26 04:15:32 <TheSavaLord> they come into the house on the same fiber line
May 26 04:15:43 <halfhalo> and cable/sattelite/fios all look the same at the same res/encoding/etc.  Because its digital.
May 26 04:15:56 <LoneStar99> k got it
May 26 04:17:13 <TheSavaLord> I don't know if directv does but a lot of tv services compress their channels. fios doesnt
May 26 04:17:50 <LoneStar99> i think cable companies compress there stuff
May 26 04:17:56 <halfhalo> Thats sorta not true
May 26 04:18:17 <LoneStar99> well atleast pay per view
May 26 04:18:17 <TheSavaLord> and I had bright house and there was a big difference in picture quality
May 26 04:18:22 <halfhalo> Fios does not compress stuff themselves, but the networks do it beforehand
May 26 04:18:46 <halfhalo> some places do recompress it afterwards, but its rare now
May 26 04:19:06 <TheSavaLord> I went from fios to brighthouse to fios again
May 26 04:20:19 <TheSavaLord> brighthouse/timewarner/roadrunner are a bunch of liars
May 26 04:20:35 <halfhalo> I have had DTV for…. 15 years I think.  Back before they were DTV.  Only time it went out fully was when the wind blew the dish off the roof
May 26 04:20:42 <halfhalo> and how are they liars...
May 26 04:21:32 <TheSavaLord> I had 15mbit on RR and I never ever got up to 13mbit
May 26 04:21:59 <LoneStar99> anyone know if i can override the edges of the device, so that i can drag an image so that it disappears?
May 26 04:21:59 <halfhalo> And how does that make them liars?  ALL plans say "up to"
May 26 04:22:11 <BigBiff> ok, tell me why i cant do this with sqlite
May 26 04:22:25 <BigBiff> ten = []
May 26 04:22:31 <BigBiff> ten = results
May 26 04:22:42 <TheSavaLord> fios you get 15 constantly if you have 20 you get that constantly
May 26 04:23:44 <halfhalo> I pay for 10mb/s.  I do not get that.  I get 15/mb/s.  At minimum.
May 26 04:23:48 <TheSavaLord> even goes past that speed
May 26 04:24:26 <TheSavaLord> I paid for 15 and got 10
May 26 04:24:40 <halfhalo> The main reason fiber is better than cable right now for the majority of folks does not have to do with cable vs fiber, but the fact that the cable is OLD
May 26 04:25:07 <TheSavaLord> and overpopulated
May 26 04:25:25 <halfhalo> since they are old, yer
May 26 04:25:27 <halfhalo> yes
May 26 04:25:30 <TheSavaLord> especially if you live in a big city
May 26 04:26:05 <halfhalo> Once again, due to the fact that the majority of the infrastructure was put in place 15+ years ago
May 26 04:26:14 <TheSavaLord> with fios they put the fiber underground
May 26 04:26:27 <halfhalo> where do you think the cable is...
May 26 04:27:03 <TheSavaLord> brighthouse/timewarner it's on the telephone/power poles
May 26 04:27:28 <TheSavaLord> at least in this city
May 26 04:27:33 <halfhalo> not in the majority of places
May 26 04:28:00 <TheSavaLord> in tampa cable is on the power poles
May 26 04:28:05 <halfhalo> And anyways, fios ain't getting any bigger
May 26 04:28:15 <TheSavaLord> so the weather effects it
May 26 04:28:24 <halfhalo> here in LA its all underground
May 26 04:29:46 <TheSavaLord> my sister is dropping directv
May 26 04:30:03 <TheSavaLord> for cox cable in pensicola
May 26 04:30:23 <TheSavaLord> pensacola
May 26 04:31:17 <TheSavaLord> anyways right now I have over the air dtv
May 26 04:54:46 <pandora--> halfhalo: you're in LA too?
May 26 04:54:52 <pandora--> handful of us are it seems
May 26 06:04:08 <HotDP> What happens with the emulator if the device "vibrates" ?
May 26 08:37:52 <HotDP> Hello. Are there any Palm People here?
May 26 08:49:33 <dohtem> probably sleeping
May 26 09:03:57 <swisstomcat> morning
May 26 12:07:06 <Roy-Pre101> howdy folks
May 26 12:20:26 <swisstomcat> howdy roy-pre101
May 26 12:23:20 <Roy-Pre101> how goes Markus?
May 26 12:34:25 <swisstomcat> good
May 26 12:34:32 <swisstomcat> i've updated 3 of my apps
May 26 12:34:47 <swisstomcat> created a new one
May 26 12:34:53 <swisstomcat> working on a new one
May 26 12:34:56 <swisstomcat> busy :)
May 26 12:35:03 <swisstomcat> you?
May 26 12:48:14 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
May 26 12:48:27 <warpdesign_> hi there !
May 26 12:55:08 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign: How goes?
May 26 13:11:53 <amiroo> Hi there. Anyone can help me how to decode a string with entities? in mojo?
May 26 13:15:03 <amiroo> anyone?
May 26 13:16:10 <HattCzech_work> morning, all
May 26 13:17:00 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: What do you mean 'string with entities'?
May 26 13:17:37 <amiroo> i have a stinrg like this " B&auml;ume bla bla"
May 26 13:17:54 <amiroo> and i want it to decode to Bäume bla bla
May 26 13:18:47 <HattCzech_work> set the file encoding o utf-8
May 26 13:18:51 <HattCzech_work> o=to
May 26 13:19:55 <amiroo> i had a lot of problems with the encoding. because the xml file would not read it correkt
May 26 13:20:14 <amiroo> now i succeeded to pass the strings to my app using entities
May 26 13:20:26 <amiroo> is there no way to decode them back?
May 26 13:21:29 <HattCzech_work> what do you mean decode them back?
May 26 13:21:42 <HattCzech_work> sorry, i just got in on the last part of this discussion
May 26 13:21:45 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: I don't know to do that easily.  There's probably a table somewhere.
May 26 13:22:02 <Roy-Pre101> Why do you need to decode them back, exactly?
May 26 13:22:11 <Roy-Pre101> Can't you just keep them with entities?
May 26 13:22:12 <amiroo> to chage &auml; to ä
May 26 13:22:27 <amiroo> because its not written correctly in my app
May 26 13:22:33 <amiroo> ahh
May 26 13:22:45 <amiroo> i can do this juet in parts where i use innerHTML
May 26 13:22:50 <HattCzech_work> why not just write it as the a: instead of &auml; ?
May 26 13:22:50 <amiroo> its no problem then
May 26 13:23:00 <amiroo> but when i change models its not working right
May 26 13:23:13 <Roy-Pre101> It could have to do with the HTML escaping option.
May 26 13:23:17 <amiroo> because in gemrn u need ä
May 26 13:24:28 <Roy-Pre101> Are you using a template?
May 26 13:24:32 <amiroo> yes
May 26 13:26:04 <HattCzech_work> i just can't make that symbol properly... but you should be able to use that in your code
May 26 13:27:08 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo:  In the template do {-whatever}
May 26 13:27:09 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign_: ping
May 26 13:27:17 <Roy-Pre101> the - will allow the string to be interpreted properly.
May 26 13:27:31 <amiroo> are you serious? that simple?
May 26 13:27:40 <amiroo> let me try
May 26 13:27:42 <HattCzech_work> hehehe, yeah, it is that simple
May 26 13:27:45 <HattCzech_work> or should be
May 26 13:28:31 <amiroo> YEEEES!!!!
May 26 13:28:40 <amiroo> Thank you guys.
May 26 13:28:49 <amiroo> And Roy, you saved my life for the second time :-)
May 26 13:31:40 <amiroo> It works :-) Thank both of you. I'm out.
May 26 13:31:41 <amiroo> bye
May 26 13:32:53 <Roy-Pre101> The first time he was dangling from a bridge above some sharp rocks and I pulled him to safety.
May 26 13:33:10 <Roy-Pre101> Or not.
May 26 13:43:58 <swisstomcat> heh
May 26 13:53:38 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 26 14:22:30 <twbbas> Hi everyone
May 26 14:24:47 <twbbas> Anyone know how to edit the label name of a group? Like the code to dynamically edit it?
May 26 14:26:18 <BigBiff> a group, as in a menu?
May 26 14:28:18 <Roy-Pre101> I think he's referring to palm-group
May 26 14:29:17 <Roy-Pre101> The palm-group title is just text.  You can assign an id to the title div and then update its innerHTML.
May 26 14:34:48 <Roy-Pre101> twbbas: The palm-group title is just text.  You can assign an id to the title div and then update its innerHTML.
May 26 14:40:19 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how often the palmhotapps site gets updated?
May 26 14:42:10 <BigBiff> still havent got sceneScroller to do anything
May 26 14:45:00 <Chriswebos> sugardave: are you there?
May 26 14:45:24 <twbbas> Roy-Pre101, I've tried that and instead of actually updating just the header, it turns the group into a label with just text. I can't even see that stuff inside of the group. Any ideas?
May 26 14:46:22 <Roy-Pre101> pastebin your html and code.
May 26 14:47:19 <twbbas> http://pastebin.com/XWu6KR3M
May 26 14:47:58 <BigBiff> paste the html
May 26 14:48:32 <sugardave> Chriswebos: yeah, just got logged in at work, what's up?
May 26 14:49:26 <Chriswebos> I just got a reply email from Jason R. It appears that there's actually no approval process for using his filemgr service. You just call his file i/o like any other service.
May 26 14:50:00 <Chriswebos> if i remember correctly, you were wanting to do some reading and writing of files, right?
May 26 14:50:11 <sugardave> I was thinking a little more about this....if the user deletes the email, why would you want to save a copy of it?
May 26 14:50:21 <sugardave> Chriswebos: not necessarily, I just enjoy a challenge
May 26 14:50:46 <Chriswebos> oh...well, hmmm....that's a good point
May 26 14:51:10 <Chriswebos> but some people have the system only keep messages for a certain amount of time by default...like 30 days or something
May 26 14:51:15 <sugardave> it still is asinine that we can't do it, but just thinking about the why
May 26 14:51:18 <Chriswebos> or they may forget
May 26 14:51:59 <Chriswebos> yeah, i didn't think of that...but mainly the premise of the vault is to have messages easy to get to...
May 26 14:52:00 <sugardave> anyway, I opened a feature request post to AT LEAST support data URIs completely with the download manager
May 26 14:52:31 <Chriswebos> should prolly be done with webview as well ...or at least a method to send it straight html text
May 26 14:52:38 <BigBiff> ewww, so launching new version of app on emu doesnt delete associated sql
May 26 14:53:23 <Chriswebos> well, back to work for me...just wanted to let you know
May 26 14:53:36 <BigBiff> so i now have a db of 51300 rows
May 26 14:53:38 <BigBiff> hehe
May 26 14:54:15 <HattCzech_work> wow
May 26 14:54:20 <HattCzech_work> that's pretty large
May 26 14:54:29 <BigBiff> ya, i didnt really think about it
May 26 14:55:21 <sugardave> Chriswebos: thanks for the heads-up...if you want to chime in on the topic: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=7291&start=0
May 26 14:56:04 <sugardave> Chriswebos: the deal with supporting in download manager is that we can side-step the irrational fear Palm dev seems to have about doing it directly in WebView
May 26 15:00:50 <Chriswebos> i posted a response
May 26 15:01:27 <sugardave> thanks!  meeting time
May 26 15:03:34 <Chriswebos> have fun...try to stay awake!!
May 26 15:10:52 <BigBiff> wow eclipse freaks out every time i go to php mode
May 26 15:16:03 <warpdesign_> because java doesn't like php ;)
May 26 15:20:31 <Roy-Pre101> twbbas: you still never pasted your HTML
May 26 15:20:40 <warpdesign_> how does web submission works ? is there some validation ?
May 26 15:21:49 <RamsesFSFE> hi all
May 26 15:22:10 <RamsesFSFE> just a shor question: Where does the Palm Pre save videos I filmed with the camera?
May 26 15:24:10 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign_: I believe there's some sort of automated scan.
May 26 15:24:18 <warpdesign_> hmm.. ok
May 26 15:24:45 <warpdesign_> when submitting an app as web, is there a way to change its distribution mode later (going through the catalog) ?
May 26 15:24:54 <sugardave> I think rwhitby said a security scan
May 26 15:24:59 <warpdesign_> is it possible to have both distributions ?
May 26 15:25:04 <sugardave> probably looking for 'eval' :D
May 26 15:25:21 <warpdesign_> he he
May 26 15:26:15 <warpdesign_> what is the (usual) delay for normal submission ?
May 26 15:26:23 <Roy-Pre101> RamsesFSFE: They go into the DCIM/Palm100 folder.
May 26 15:28:38 <Roy-Pre101> For web?  It's fairly instantaneous I think, not having done it myself.
May 26 15:29:16 <RamsesFSFE> Roy-Pre101: thanks a lot!
May 26 15:29:22 <warpdesign_> ok, great
May 26 15:29:31 <warpdesign_> what about app catalog submission ?
May 26 15:29:42 <Roy-Pre101> Days?
May 26 15:29:58 <twbbas> Roy-Pre101, I used Ares to make the html
May 26 15:30:06 <warpdesign_> btw when upgrading my account to developper it asks for some tax info I don't have... do I need to go through that ?
May 26 15:31:48 <warpdesign_> I have no such ID since I want to release things for free, but it's required in the form..
May 26 15:31:58 <Roy-Pre101> twbbas: Ah so...
May 26 15:32:18 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign: Where do you live?
May 26 15:32:24 <warpdesign_> france
May 26 15:33:39 <twbbas> Any ideas Roy-Pre101?
May 26 15:34:13 <sugardave> warpdesign_: use your SSN
May 26 15:34:20 <sugardave> oh
May 26 15:34:21 <sugardave> nevermind
May 26 15:34:31 <sugardave> didn't read the next part, I thought you were US
May 26 15:34:36 <warpdesign_> no :)
May 26 15:34:53 <warpdesign_> well, the weird thing is that I choosed free/open source and it asks me for tax ids, etc...
May 26 15:35:07 <sugardave> yeah, it's an imperfect thing
May 26 15:35:26 <sugardave> it's also because there's nothing keeping someone charging for an open source app
May 26 15:35:31 <warpdesign_> ok
May 26 15:35:36 <warpdesign_> so what should I enter ? :)
May 26 15:36:17 <sugardave> do you have any kind of tax ID number issued by your government?  that might work...or there is probably some facility to apply for some kind of tax entity information for US
May 26 15:36:21 <sugardave> not sure
May 26 15:36:30 <warpdesign_> well, I have no clue :)
May 26 15:37:56 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign_: think you'll have some time to do some translation in a bit? :)
May 26 15:38:12 <HattCzech_work> and i'm on day 3 today for app catalog (for an update)
May 26 15:38:21 <HattCzech_work> original submission took 2 days
May 26 15:39:01 <warpdesign_> HattCzech_work, when you created your account did you have to enter some tax id ? :)
May 26 15:39:41 <HattCzech_work> i'm in the US, so i used my SSN
May 26 15:39:52 <HattCzech_work> then i got a business id (EIN), so i used that
May 26 15:40:06 <HattCzech_work> try all 0's?
May 26 15:40:15 <sugardave> haha
May 26 15:40:17 <warpdesign_> alright
May 26 15:40:25 <warpdesign_> anyone not from us who submitted an app ? :)
May 26 15:40:29 <HattCzech_work> if it's free, i don't see a problem with that
May 26 15:40:46 <sugardave> I know swisstomcat is one
May 26 15:40:57 <sugardave> and metaview
May 26 15:41:46 <HattCzech_work> swiss was here earlier, but said he'd bbl
May 26 15:45:47 <HattCzech_work> hey LoneStar99
May 26 15:47:55 <LoneStar99> hello HattCzech_work
May 26 15:48:44 <HattCzech_work> get a chance to check out my app?
May 26 15:49:29 <LoneStar99> oh no will today
May 26 15:49:49 <LoneStar99> was "txt group" right?
May 26 15:50:10 <warpdesign_> ok
May 26 15:50:14 <warpdesign_> I'll check with him then
May 26 15:51:59 <HattCzech_work> correct
May 26 15:52:27 <warpdesign_> funny, now it asks me for a paypal account
May 26 15:52:46 <warpdesign_> so many things required to release *free* and *open source* apps :)
May 26 15:53:27 <sugardave> anybody got a device they can shell into?  I left my USB cable at home
May 26 15:55:01 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: kinda slacked with development yesterday, will get more serious today, and also test your app
May 26 15:55:02 <sugardave> it's for a good cause....
May 26 15:55:24 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: yeah
May 26 15:55:56 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: yay!  can you pastebin the first screen output of: netstat -an | less
May 26 15:55:57 * oilsworkn didn't test your app or get any development done
May 26 15:56:08 <HattCzech_work> urg, sadly, no
May 26 15:56:15 <HattCzech_work> i can't use putty, only novaterm
May 26 15:56:19 <HattCzech_work> meaning no cnp
May 26 15:56:22 <sugardave> oh, oh well :D
May 26 15:56:30 <HattCzech_work> screenshot?
May 26 15:56:35 <sugardave> yeah, that will work
May 26 15:56:39 <HattCzech_work> k
May 26 15:56:54 * sugardave doesn't know how to use novaterm.
May 26 15:56:55 <sugardave> :O
May 26 15:57:33 <egaudet_work> netstat -an | less > file
May 26 15:57:35 <egaudet_work> novacom get file:///path/to/file > local_file
May 26 15:57:50 <sugardave> that's pretty fancy :D
May 26 15:58:24 <HattCzech_work> indeed it is
May 26 15:58:27 <egaudet_work> we can do it all with nova! :P
May 26 15:58:31 <sugardave> hehe
May 26 16:00:01 <HattCzech_work> is novacom get through command line and not novaterm?
May 26 16:00:11 <egaudet_work> right
May 26 16:00:15 <HattCzech_work> k
May 26 16:00:26 <sugardave> if that's the case, you can leave out the pip through less part
May 26 16:00:28 <egaudet_work> if it was from pre you'd do novacom put, but the novacom commands work better through host PC I think
May 26 16:00:47 <egaudet_work> s/through/from/
May 26 16:01:21 <HattCzech_work> i'll do both
May 26 16:06:20 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/R2VETZ7R
May 26 16:07:02 <sugardave> thanks!
May 26 16:09:46 <HattCzech_work> that's pretty huge
May 26 16:09:58 <HattCzech_work> and when i did the less to a file... it was exactly the same... FYI
May 26 16:10:12 * HattCzech_work waits for his phone to be hacked
May 26 16:10:14 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
May 26 16:10:39 <sugardave> yeah, I had put in the lessbecause I really just needed the LISTEN stuff, but I can't remember what the right set of options to netstat is :D
May 26 16:11:02 <sugardave> so, 8080 is ONLY on the emu
May 26 16:11:15 <sugardave> and it must be for nova, I guess
May 26 16:11:32 <sugardave> well, no that can't be right
May 26 16:11:42 <sugardave> maybe it's a webOS version thing
May 26 16:11:50 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: pm which SDK version you're on?
May 26 16:12:43 <sugardave> er, on your phone
May 26 16:12:50 <HattCzech_work> 1.4.1.1
May 26 16:12:56 <sugardave> okay, thanks
May 26 16:13:08 <HattCzech_work> thought about the early access route, but haven't had the time :)
May 26 16:13:32 <sugardave> honestly, I've never put an early access release on my actual phone :D
May 26 16:14:23 <HattCzech_work> i just got access, so neither have i
May 26 16:17:51 <sugardave> strange....why have 8080 listening as a web server on the emu but not on the phone....
May 26 16:18:22 <HattCzech_work> resources?
May 26 16:19:43 <sugardave> it's got to be a security call...you can basically access any file through the web browser on the emu
May 26 16:41:32 <Nyceane> hey, can anybody test my app? =_
May 26 16:41:34 <Nyceane> =)
May 26 16:43:45 <HattCzech_work> maybe...
May 26 16:44:02 <Nyceane> plz =P
May 26 16:49:28 <Nyceane> anybody can test out my app for me? =-/
May 26 17:12:12 <Nyceane> anybody here? =D
May 26 17:13:45 <HattCzech_work> what's the app?
May 26 17:14:09 <HattCzech_work> the "maybe" was an indicator to tell me more :)
May 26 17:25:43 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign_: you still around?
May 26 18:27:14 <kevinskocik> Hi
May 26 18:27:33 <sugardave> hello
May 26 18:28:19 <sugardave> anybody use BlockChalk?  I fired it up the other day for the first time in a while and it can't seem to work with my GPS anymore
May 26 18:40:24 <kevinskocik> Nope. Sorry.
May 26 19:17:24 <halfhalo_class> pop goes the weasle
May 26 19:19:16 <halfhalo-work> heh
May 26 19:19:21 <halfhalo-work> silly dropbox message
May 26 19:23:19 <HattCzech_work> chuq, you commented about the contacts CRUD in the forum that it currently doesn't support what i would like it to do... do you know if it is planned?
May 26 19:23:40 <HattCzech_work> (being able to reference contact information by id)
May 26 19:24:19 <HattCzech_work> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=30687#p30687 if you need more details
May 26 19:31:13 <HotDP> Hello, Someone who know "vibrate" ?
May 26 19:31:49 <HattCzech_work> yes
May 26 19:32:11 <halfhalo-work> must... resist... inappropriate... comment...
May 26 19:32:38 <HattCzech_work> var serviceRequest = new Mojo.Service.Request('palm://com.palm.vibrate/vibrate', { parameters: {period: ???, duration: ???}});
May 26 19:32:59 <HotDP> Thx i try
May 26 19:33:09 <HattCzech_work> that works in the palm namespace... unsure about non-palm
May 26 19:33:16 <HotDP> I got vibrate to work. my problem was duration
May 26 19:33:35 <HotDP> Du i have to declare a var
May 26 19:34:19 <sugardave> shouldn't have to
May 26 19:34:53 <HotDP> I use: Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification('vibrate',''); and that works 100% i just want a lower duration?
May 26 19:35:06 <HotDP> (use ares)
May 26 19:35:27 <Bmyers> i think the 2nd param is suppose to be duration
May 26 19:35:40 <Bmyers> but not sure that it works
May 26 19:35:59 <Bmyers> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification('vibrate','250');
May 26 19:36:04 <Bmyers> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification('vibrate','500');
May 26 19:36:06 <Bmyers> etc
May 26 19:36:08 <HotDP> Hmm.. i just can't  find any documentation on this :S
May 26 19:36:29 <Bmyers> what, you want documentation for develop for iphone.
May 26 19:36:33 <Bmyers> this is webos..
May 26 19:37:04 <Bmyers> we dont need no stinking documentation..
May 26 19:37:29 <HotDP> Lol
May 26 19:37:35 <HotDP> I am a .Net dev.
May 26 19:37:43 <Bmyers> like i said..
May 26 19:37:45 <HotDP> Not Iphone :) I use google
May 26 19:37:55 <HotDP> I can see i might need 3 parametres
May 26 19:38:02 <HotDP> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification("notifications", "./sounds/ding.mp3", 300000);  <-- from google
May 26 19:38:16 <Bmyers> there ya go. something like that
May 26 19:38:49 <Bmyers> but i remember trying it and it didnt change the vib duration
May 26 19:39:05 <HotDP> But i dont like Iphone. but some documentation about playSoundNotification or intellisense would be nice
May 26 19:39:26 <HotDP> hmm..does not sound good if you say it does not work?
May 26 19:39:28 * sugardave is still waiting for the .playSoundRightNowDammit() method
May 26 19:39:40 * HattCzech_work is waiting, too
May 26 19:39:48 * HotDP damn
May 26 19:39:58 <HattCzech_work> which is why i may try a service to play sounds... we'll see
May 26 19:40:03 <Bmyers> sugardave: doesnt need documentation
May 26 19:40:08 * HotDP need less vibration :p
May 26 19:40:08 <Bmyers> he IS documentation
May 26 19:40:11 <sugardave> haha
May 26 19:40:13 <sugardave> sure
May 26 19:40:17 <sugardave> we'll go with that
May 26 19:40:36 <HotDP> dammit! what do you think?
May 26 19:40:39 * halfhalo-work is cold
May 26 19:41:05 * sugardave notes HattCzech_work's and Bmyers's examples are somewhat different for vibrating the phone.
May 26 19:41:15 <HotDP> Google tells me that no one is giving more paramtres
May 26 19:42:07 <Bmyers> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification("vibrate", "", 300);
May 26 19:42:11 <Bmyers> thats what i use
May 26 19:42:24 <Bmyers> sugardave: made me go look it up in my app
May 26 19:42:38 <Bmyers> :P
May 26 19:42:56 <HotDP> but you said it did not work?
May 26 19:43:02 <Bmyers> it works
May 26 19:43:16 <Bmyers> i just dont think i can vary the duration
May 26 19:43:22 <Bmyers> with the 300 param
May 26 19:43:28 <HotDP> When i use the "on" tap event. why does it trigger when i release insteed of when i hit? Not like .net :P
May 26 19:43:46 <Bmyers> but it makes me look like i know what I'm doing when sugardave copies my code so i leave it in there.
May 26 19:43:47 <sugardave> use mousedown if you want it to go the second you touch it
May 26 19:43:59 <HattCzech_work> mine works in the palm namespace
May 26 19:44:08 <sugardave> otherwise, it gives you the ability to think "oh crap!" and move your finger off the button
May 26 19:44:08 <HattCzech_work> not sure if it works in the regular app world
May 26 19:45:15 <HotDP> A div (panel) does not have that event? only ontap, onhold and onrelease?
May 26 19:45:41 <HotDP> yer i understand, if you wonna scroll ect.
May 26 19:45:44 <sugardave> you'd be surprised at what events can be registered for elements in Mojo's DOM
May 26 19:46:07 <HotDP> I guess i will? but i can not select it in Ares?
May 26 19:46:24 <sugardave> instead of Mojo.Event.tap...try 'mousedown' (as a string argument)
May 26 19:46:35 <sugardave> oh, Ares...hmmm....
May 26 19:46:44 <sugardave> you got me
May 26 19:47:08 <HotDP> Ares is very nice if you wonna develop when you at work and home :P
May 26 19:47:57 <sugardave> I have to dance with the one what brung me...I've been learning this stuff since before Ares came out, and frankly, Ares confused the shit out of me when I first started looking at it
May 26 19:48:11 <halfhalo-work> it STILL confuses me...
May 26 19:48:13 <HotDP> I understand...
May 26 19:48:24 <HotDP> So i guess i must be confused :P
May 26 19:48:32 <sugardave> heh
May 26 19:48:51 <sugardave> rick-home is an Ares master
May 26 19:48:52 <HotDP> But i am not. i like it alot.. but still its not like .net. but i dont it is Ares fault
May 26 19:49:16 <HotDP> *dont think is is Ares fault
May 26 19:49:38 <BMyers_Pre> he wrote the book
May 26 19:49:38 <HotDP> But i guess i can change the Event manually to be mousedown
May 26 19:50:21 <sugardave> is it written/released already?  I thought there was some kind of holding pattern going on
May 26 19:50:34 <HotDP> A Ares book?
May 26 19:50:39 <sugardave> yep
May 26 19:50:51 <HotDP> I have just seen the stuff from dev days
May 26 19:51:04 <sugardave> rick-home: ping
May 26 19:51:17 <HotDP> I would like that book? where to buy?=
May 26 19:51:34 <sugardave> HotDP: rick-home would probably be glad to let you test out some chapters (if it isn't already finished yet)
May 26 19:51:46 <BMyers_Pre> it didn't get published
May 26 19:52:00 <sugardave> ....yet?
May 26 19:52:04 <sugardave> or period?
May 26 19:52:05 <BMyers_Pre> it may still
May 26 19:52:10 <sugardave> okay
May 26 19:52:31 <BMyers_Pre> he tabled it when palm inc. hit penny stocks
May 26 19:52:38 <sugardave> ahhhhh, okay
May 26 19:52:46 <sugardave> haven't talked to him in a while
May 26 19:52:48 <HotDP> i dont  understand?
May 26 19:53:00 <HotDP> He quited the project when palm went bad?
May 26 19:53:08 <HotDP> (before hp)
May 26 19:54:03 <BMyers_Pre> publisher prolly pulled out and zipped up
May 26 19:54:09 <HotDP> :(
May 26 19:54:19 <sugardave> self-publish!
May 26 19:55:18 <HotDP> I got a "off topic" question, i am going to USA in the summer, can you get _tour_ at Palm ? :)
May 26 19:55:29 <sugardave> hmmm, probably
May 26 19:55:33 <BMyers_Pre> you think royalties on a published book are bad?. do it  yourself and find out.
May 26 19:55:34 <sugardave> where are you?
May 26 19:55:40 <HotDP> From?
May 26 19:55:50 <sugardave> HotDP: yeah, where are you from?
May 26 19:55:54 <HotDP> Denmark
May 26 19:56:09 <sugardave> Bmyers: I'm not a published author like you guys, I have no clues :D
May 26 19:56:21 <HotDP> I had to buy my Phone in Germany :S
May 26 19:56:30 <sugardave> HotDP: cool, are you visiting family here in the summer or just a vacation or what?
May 26 19:56:57 <HotDP> Vacation, i love USA, so go every summer until i get  a job
May 26 19:57:08 <HotDP> (job in USA)
May 26 19:57:30 <halfhalo-work> I made 20 bucks just now
May 26 19:57:34 <sugardave> well, good luck!
May 26 19:57:52 <HotDP> hehe thanks
May 26 19:57:54 <HattCzech_work> halfhalo-work: how!? i want $20
May 26 19:57:56 <HattCzech_work> :)
May 26 19:57:57 <sugardave> halfhalo-work: I just printed $2,000,000.00
May 26 19:57:58 <halfhalo-work> fixing my boss's broken php
May 26 19:57:59 <HotDP> You dont like it over there?
May 26 19:58:09 <HotDP> php sucks
May 26 19:58:16 <halfhalo-work> yes, but its money
May 26 19:58:20 <HattCzech_work> harsh words :)
May 26 19:58:25 <sugardave> HotDP: I like it alright, best deomcracy money can buy, I suppose
May 26 19:58:34 * HattCzech_work wonders what's wrong with php?
May 26 19:58:40 <HotDP> You sure got that right!
May 26 19:58:47 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: alphabetically, or by priority?
May 26 19:58:57 <HattCzech_work> lol
May 26 19:59:02 <HotDP> Denmark is very good for people who does not have education  or money.
May 26 19:59:09 <HattCzech_work> priority, please :)
May 26 19:59:34 <sugardave> HotDP: damn, so what you're saying is that someone (like me) could go over there and rule the stupid and poor with an iron fist?
May 26 19:59:41 <HattCzech_work> (have a small LAMP server, planned to use it for a site)
May 26 19:59:41 <sugardave> hmmm
May 26 19:59:51 <halfhalo-work> I has many domain names
May 26 20:00:01 <halfhalo-work> and an unlimited server
May 26 20:00:03 <HattCzech_work> but if "php sucks" then what should i do?
May 26 20:00:03 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: actually, I have no problems with PHP, because I don't try to do more than interface with mysql
May 26 20:00:18 <HattCzech_work> that's about all i'll use it for
May 26 20:00:22 <sugardave> well, and hack some Drupal modules
May 26 20:00:25 <HotDP> sugardave, yes. The state gives money to everyone, also peoble who can't or don't want to work.
May 26 20:00:51 <HotDP> But we have to pay 180% of the cars price to the state ect. so if you have money you give alot to the state
May 26 20:01:16 <sugardave> so, it's either be on constant welfare or constantly finance welfare for everyone else
May 26 20:01:22 <sugardave> that seems familiar....
May 26 20:01:29 <HotDP> 100% correct
May 26 20:02:15 <HotDP> And i would like to try and "save" the 180% for cars. ect
May 26 20:02:55 <HotDP> btw. i would like peoble for helping me on the "vibration" problem :)
May 26 20:03:02 <HotDP> *to thank
May 26 20:03:06 <sugardave> yeah, I understand that....that's a hefty tax liability.  Are all "luxury" purchases like that?
May 26 20:03:08 <halfhalo-work> usahaiu;;uduafg;yyyabdfg
May 26 20:03:19 <HattCzech_work> HotDP: which method ended up working?
May 26 20:03:34 <HotDP> I have not tryed any yet, will tomorrow at work ;)
May 26 20:03:36 * halfhalo-work runs away before the innapropriate comments start
May 26 20:03:46 <HotDP> hehe
May 26 20:04:11 <sugardave> what is 'DP' in HotDP?
May 26 20:04:29 <HotDP> I pay 50% in tax of my salery, 180% tax on cars.
May 26 20:04:42 <HotDP> but hospital are free ect.
May 26 20:04:55 <HotDP> school and education is free as well
May 26 20:05:08 <HotDP> My name is David Petersen (DP)
May 26 20:05:14 <sugardave> ah, okay
May 26 20:05:30 <sugardave> DP = Dr. Pepper; my favorite drink which is also delicious when it's hot
May 26 20:05:48 <HotDP> Some people think it is "deep penetration" :P
May 26 20:06:08 <sugardave> halfhalo-work: there's your cue
May 26 20:06:17 <HattCzech_work> lol
May 26 20:06:19 <HotDP> I guess i soon have to change nick
May 26 20:06:35 <halfhalo-work> ?
May 26 20:06:40 <halfhalo-work> I was busy getting paid
May 26 20:06:58 <HotDP>  sugardave from sweden?
May 26 20:07:51 <sugardave> HotDP: no, good old USA here
May 26 20:07:56 <halfhalo-work> Damn straight
May 26 20:08:03 <halfhalo-work> Born and raised in Socal here
May 26 20:08:12 <HotDP> Cool. Where in usa?
May 26 20:08:25 <halfhalo-work> Foxconn will have no employes in a month at the rate their going
May 26 20:08:29 <chuqui> born and raised in socal as well
May 26 20:08:33 <sugardave> Born in North Carolina, but my uncle couldn't dream of his nephew not being in Texas, so he sent my mom a box of Texas soil to put under my crib
May 26 20:08:42 <sugardave> I live in Texas now since I was .5 year old
May 26 20:09:10 <sugardave> and then my uncle was in Hawaii when his first sone was born, so of course my mom returned the favor
May 26 20:09:46 <HotDP> cool
May 26 20:09:52 <HotDP> :)
May 26 20:10:13 <sugardave> Texas is big....and hot, but we have better looking females than anywhere else
May 26 20:10:15 <HotDP> I have not visited Texas, worth a visit?
May 26 20:10:38 <HattCzech_work> hahah
May 26 20:10:40 <HotDP> thats a plus
May 26 20:10:43 <HattCzech_work> definitely
May 26 20:10:44 <sugardave> Definitely need to visit Austin, the tech-capital (and state capital)
May 26 20:10:45 <halfhalo-work> Must... resist.... texas... bashing....
May 26 20:10:51 <sugardave> hahaha
May 26 20:10:51 * HattCzech_work also lives in Texas
May 26 20:11:06 * HattCzech_work slaps halfhalo-work with a large trout
May 26 20:11:16 <HattCzech_work> :)
May 26 20:11:18 * halfhalo-work lives in sunny Southern Califronia
May 26 20:11:28 <sugardave> it's okay, I know that all the Texas bashing memes don't apply to me
May 26 20:11:31 <halfhalo-work> WIN
May 26 20:11:34 <sugardave> I don't have a truck
May 26 20:11:39 <sugardave> I think
May 26 20:11:41 <halfhalo-work> Psha
May 26 20:11:47 <sugardave> I hate Rick Perry
May 26 20:11:47 <halfhalo-work> I want a sports car dammit
May 26 20:12:04 <halfhalo-work> People should not be allowed to drive suv's like I do
May 26 20:12:04 <HattCzech_work> mwa ha ha... i have a sports car :)
May 26 20:12:23 <halfhalo-work> what car?
May 26 20:12:30 <HattCzech_work> Lexus IS350
May 26 20:12:41 <halfhalo-work> Yes... sporty.... lets go with that
May 26 20:12:44 <HotDP> This summer i go to CA, but the girls in texas might tell me to go there next summer:P
May 26 20:12:46 <HattCzech_work> hahahah
May 26 20:12:56 <HattCzech_work> luxury sports car
May 26 20:12:56 * halfhalo-work has a highlander thats faster than that lexus
May 26 20:13:06 <sugardave> "Hey baby, check out my IRC nick.  Want to hook up?"  lol
May 26 20:13:08 * HattCzech_work doesn't think so
May 26 20:13:24 <HotDP> I got a VW Lupo 3L. You USA people dont even know that car :P
May 26 20:13:27 <HattCzech_work> unless it's got 400+ hp?
May 26 20:13:28 <halfhalo-work> The is350 has what, the 3.5L V6
May 26 20:13:34 <HattCzech_work> yeah
May 26 20:13:40 <HotDP> I got 61 hp
May 26 20:13:49 <HattCzech_work> HotDP: hardcore
May 26 20:13:57 <halfhalo-work> Yeah... My highlander has the 3.0L v6 tweaked _just_ a tad
May 26 20:14:05 <sugardave> I have a 2000 Mazda Milennia...but the intake leaks and the distributor is eating batteries, so it sits in the street fading
May 26 20:14:06 <HotDP> Yer but VERY good m/g
May 26 20:14:25 <halfhalo-work> I much prefer the 3L toyota engine over their 3.6L
May 26 20:14:29 <halfhalo-work> makes more noise
May 26 20:14:32 <HattCzech_work> halfhalo-work: but it weighs probably twice as much
May 26 20:14:35 <halfhalo-work> Nope
May 26 20:14:44 <halfhalo-work> Weighs just a tad more than a camry
May 26 20:15:10 <halfhalo-work> now, the models with the third row may weigh more, but I don't have that
May 26 20:15:40 <HotDP> LOL 3L is not LITER its. i V3 Diesel engine
May 26 20:15:44 <HattCzech_work> i will definitely say your highlander is faster than the IS250, but not the IS350
May 26 20:15:48 <halfhalo-work> Besides, I can fit a mattress in the back
May 26 20:15:59 <sugardave> that IS important
May 26 20:15:59 <HattCzech_work> that i'll give you
May 26 20:16:15 <halfhalo-work> lol
May 26 20:16:40 <halfhalo-work> I have lowered suspension, tweaked the engine to a tad over 300hp, racing air filter, etc
May 26 20:17:26 <HattCzech_work> and your 0-60 has gone to < 5.3sec?
May 26 20:17:44 <halfhalo-work> not quite.  5.6.
May 26 20:17:54 <halfhalo-work> Except I don't stop for speedbumps
May 26 20:18:07 <halfhalo-work> or pretty much anything
May 26 20:18:09 <HattCzech_work> hahahahahahaha
May 26 20:18:38 <halfhalo-work> I wants a Taurus SHO
May 26 20:19:05 <halfhalo-work> 3.8L Ecoboost V6
May 26 20:19:09 <halfhalo-work> Twin Turbo
May 26 20:19:13 * halfhalo-work drools
May 26 20:20:21 <HattCzech_work> i think ford has done a good job with their vehicles lately, but i would never own one
May 26 20:20:26 <halfhalo-work> or a 1999 Volvo s70 T-5 AWD
May 26 20:20:59 <halfhalo-work> I do prefer fords over most other car brands, but have a personal hate torwards toyota
May 26 20:21:05 <halfhalo-work> HATE HATE HATE
May 26 20:21:23 <halfhalo-work> Only reason I drive one is because it was free
May 26 20:21:35 <HattCzech_work> why hate? and how free?
May 26 20:22:06 <halfhalo-work> I find them and lexus... uninspiring and bland.  and free as in my old volvo died so my dad gave me his car
May 26 20:25:23 <halfhalo-work> I think that ford has gone from having a 'good enough' to 'fuck it lets built something great' mentality due to the depression, and it really shows in the mustang, taurus show, edge, lincon mkz, fiesta, and their new explorer platform
May 26 20:26:53 <halfhalo-work> chrysler is dead
May 26 20:27:09 <halfhalo-work> and gm is just... taking its first baby steps back to the land of the living
May 26 20:30:14 <HattCzech_work> yeah
May 26 20:30:25 <HattCzech_work> ford has been really innovative in the past few years
May 26 20:30:44 <HattCzech_work> i like the styling of lexus (and the features)
May 26 20:30:58 <HattCzech_work> and it's reliable
May 26 20:31:40 <HattCzech_work> i debated between acura, audi, bmw, cadillac, and lexus... this had the features i wanted
May 26 20:33:39 <HotDP> Good night, cu
May 26 20:33:48 <sugardave> night
May 26 20:34:11 <HotDP> Btw, the cars Ford make in Europe is crap!
May 26 20:34:14 <halfhalo-work> Cadillac was crap for a while, but they have one shining star right now
May 26 20:34:19 <halfhalo-work> Fiesta==win
May 26 20:34:26 <sugardave> bwahahaha
May 26 20:34:31 <halfhalo-work> Cadillac has the CTS-V
May 26 20:34:32 <HotDP> The EU fiaste  = = fail!
May 26 20:35:17 <halfhalo-work> Acura.... eh.  styling's a bitch.  Audi and beamers along with MB's are just to common here.
May 26 20:35:24 <halfhalo-work> Everyone freaking has one
May 26 20:36:16 <halfhalo-work> Volvo... I hate to say it but ford killed em
May 26 20:36:44 <sugardave> Tesla Motors might be opening a plant in Marble Falls, TX
May 26 20:36:44 <halfhalo-work> They stopped making any fast, sporty cars
May 26 20:36:51 <HattCzech_work> i was planning to get the CTS-V
May 26 20:36:58 <HattCzech_work> but thought it was too "old" for me
May 26 20:36:59 <halfhalo-work> Someone down the street from me has a tesla, its a nice car
May 26 20:37:13 <halfhalo-work> the CTS-V is a whole new breed
May 26 20:37:27 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: that's sweet
May 26 20:37:50 <HattCzech_work> but cadillac is an "old" brand... it wouldn't have fit me
May 26 20:37:56 <halfhalo-work> If I had to get a beamer, I would get the M3, and rebadge it as a 335i
May 26 20:38:11 <halfhalo-work> well, caddy's trying to change that image
May 26 20:38:15 <sugardave> if Tesla needs a webOS developer, I'm SOOOOO switching jobs
May 26 20:38:20 <halfhalo-work> along with the crap escalade image
May 26 20:38:54 <halfhalo-work> GM let them off the chain do to what they wanted while they were restructuring instead of rebadging cars
May 26 20:39:20 <halfhalo-work> Ford did the same with lincon, and sorta did with mercury
May 26 20:42:26 <HattCzech_work> i like the M3 (my friend has one), but some of the luxury features are lacking
May 26 20:42:43 <halfhalo-work> yes, but their more than made up for by its engine
May 26 20:44:07 <HattCzech_work> heheh, somewhat
May 26 20:44:36 <HattCzech_work> i like luxury and performance... not one or the other
May 26 20:44:36 * halfhalo-work loves that engine.  Almost as much as the 5.0L al new ford engine
May 26 20:45:37 <amiroo> hi there
May 26 20:46:15 <amiroo> i got two questions left for today
May 26 20:46:22 <sugardave> only two?
May 26 20:46:27 <sugardave> damn, you're doing well
May 26 20:46:39 * sugardave has lots of questions.
May 26 20:46:55 <amiroo> haha yes. I'm improving :-)
May 26 20:47:31 <amiroo> the first one is, does anyone know how to prevent the "back" gesture to pop the scene?
May 26 20:48:00 <sugardave> I know that it is possible, there are a bunch of posts on it at the dev forum
May 26 20:48:08 <sugardave> basically look for Mojo.Event.back, I think
May 26 20:48:24 <sugardave> and do some other things, like event.stopPropagation or something like that
May 26 20:48:40 <sugardave> (I've never done it, so can't tell you the exact steps)
May 26 20:48:45 <amiroo> ok. sounds good thx.
May 26 20:48:46 <jamund> Umm stupid question. I'm in the WebOS emulator to get some websites mobile-ready and it appears JQuery doesn't work?
May 26 20:49:41 <sugardave> this one looks promising: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=6918&p=29233&hilit=back+gesture#p29233
May 26 20:49:49 <sugardave> amiroo: ^^^^
May 26 20:49:54 <amiroo> the second one is... in the calendar app, you can swipe the site to the left to get to the next day. anything similar in ares?
May 26 20:50:05 <amiroo> ohh cool let me take a look
May 26 20:51:19 <amiroo> looks promising. thanx
May 26 20:51:29 <sugardave> amiroo: not sure how they do it in calendar...is it just a large horizontal scroller?  if not, they are probably intercepting the swipe and then doing the display...but the real answer is "I don't know" :D
May 26 20:51:53 <sugardave> jamund: you have to include jquery library(ies) in your sources.json for your app
May 26 20:52:08 <sugardave> or do you mean in the web browser?
May 26 20:52:22 <amiroo> haaa a huge horizontal ;-) sounds stragne, but it might work ;-)
May 26 20:52:23 <jamund> well. starting with the browser maybe moving to an app. right now i just need the webpage to work.
May 26 20:52:35 <jamund> it seems when i go to jquery.com even the examples don't work.
May 26 20:52:40 <sugardave> jamund: Oh...no idea  :D
May 26 20:54:05 <sugardave> jamund: you could re-do them all in Prototype :P  that would work
May 26 20:54:18 <jamund> Yikes! My excitement for webOS is rapidly going down.
May 26 20:54:35 <jamund> But even in a normal webpage it doesn't support it?
May 26 20:54:35 <sugardave> might be worthwhile to post a question at the dev forum, though
May 26 20:54:37 <jamund> That's so weird to me.
May 26 20:54:42 <amiroo> sugardave: i think i found it. it looks like it is HBox Panel in Ares
May 26 20:54:48 <jamund> I'm hoping it's just the emulator
May 26 20:55:27 <sugardave> jamund: got an example page?
May 26 20:56:52 <jamund> http://api.jquery.com/hide/
May 26 20:57:36 <jamund> In the emulator the boxes that say Demo are just blank gray boxes.
May 26 20:57:55 <sugardave> I got one to work :s
May 26 20:58:01 <jamund> On the phone?
May 26 20:58:03 <jamund> Or the emu?
May 26 20:58:05 <sugardave> no, emu
May 26 20:58:10 <jamund> What!?
May 26 20:58:17 <jamund> Which SDKversion?
May 26 20:58:24 <sugardave> it IS 1.4.0 emu on this machine
May 26 20:58:56 <sugardave> but when I scroll away, some of the grey boxes don't repopulate
May 26 20:59:01 <sugardave> so there is something going on
May 26 20:59:19 * HattCzech_work hopes his app update goes through today :/
May 26 21:00:47 <jamund> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamund/4642498885/
May 26 21:00:50 <jamund> That's what it looks like for me.
May 26 21:01:37 <HattCzech_work> yeah, there are some pages like that...
May 26 21:04:21 <sugardave> jamund: http://twitpic.com/1rcato
May 26 21:05:34 <jamund> maybe i'll restart my emu and see what happens!
May 26 21:05:36 <jamund> craziness
May 26 21:05:42 <sugardave> good luck!
May 26 21:07:25 <amiroo> sugardave: hbox panel is not it. too bad. i guess i try a giant horizontal scroller
May 26 21:08:42 <Nyceane> you know whats so funny, i have so many apps on palm fastest movers, but palm never talks about them lol
May 26 21:08:53 <Nyceane> all the prank apps
May 26 21:09:57 <jamund> sugardave: restarting Works thanks
May 26 21:10:39 <sugardave> amiroo: bummer, you can try it with a large scroller, but for something like "days" you don't know how far back/forward to go...there's probably a better/different way to handle it via listening for swipe gestures, etc.
May 26 21:10:44 <sugardave> jamund: awesome
May 26 21:11:00 <sugardave> and now it's time for me to head home, bbl
May 26 21:21:46 <amiroo> anyone else an idea of implementing somthing like in the calender app (swiping between days)?
May 26 21:35:35 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: you here?
May 26 21:35:48 <chuqui> maybe.....
May 26 21:36:09 <HattCzech_work> would you be able to modify the meta content of my app update submission?
May 26 21:36:20 <HattCzech_work> or should i just wait until it finishes and then update it?
May 26 21:36:30 <chuqui> no, you need to modify it yourself and submit it. I can't touch it.
May 26 21:36:53 <HattCzech_work> alrighty... then it just needs to make it through...
May 26 21:37:18 <HattCzech_work> do you have a giant led screen above your office for which number is currently being reviewed? ;)
May 26 21:37:22 <chuqui> you don't want me touching that stuff. Too likely I'll add in my own editorial.
May 26 21:37:40 <HattCzech_work> hahaha, fair enough
May 26 21:37:40 <chuqui> yes, I do. it says "3". your app is listed as number "872"
May 26 21:38:10 * halfhalo-work has an app listed at infinity
May 26 21:38:22 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, so just like the real ones at the courts or DPS
May 26 21:38:36 <halfhalo-work> except this one counts down
May 26 22:20:00 <LoneStar99> anyone know how to change the z-index of a div using prototype?
May 26 22:23:17 <oil> element.style.zindex = 10?
May 26 22:26:57 <LoneStar99> oil: is that it?
May 26 22:27:04 <oil> or something like that
May 26 22:27:17 <LoneStar99> i had the code before, but lost it
May 26 22:27:34 <oil> zIndex*
May 26 22:27:35 <oil> capital I
May 26 22:29:14 <LoneStar99> so "this.controller.get('tools').element.style.zIndex = 10"; should work?
May 26 22:33:53 <oil> should
May 26 22:43:18 <HattCzech_work> are there any other systemProperties besides com.palm.properties.nduid?
May 26 22:44:11 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign_: you around?
May 26 22:49:49 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: most definitely
May 26 22:49:53 <sugardave> now ask what they are
May 26 22:50:11 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
May 26 22:50:19 <HattCzech_work> do you know what they are? :)
May 26 22:50:23 <sugardave> nope :D
May 26 22:50:28 <HattCzech_work> DAMN!
May 26 22:50:30 <HattCzech_work> hahah
May 26 22:50:52 <HattCzech_work> i thought i could list them by not sending any properties... but FAIL
May 26 23:20:59 <catalystmedia> sugardave: Are you @rmxdave on Twitter?
May 26 23:37:54 <amiroo> anyone an idea ehy ares is not logging console.log anymore? loglevel is 99
May 26 23:50:51 <pandora--> omg camera is so sloooow
May 27 00:04:16 <reality9110> Hmmm...managed to break the part of my app that I wasn't even working on
May 27 00:08:39 <haeffb> thats skillz, bro
May 27 00:21:18 <pandora--> reality9110: heh gj.
May 27 00:21:39 <reality9110> This is why we have backups.
May 27 00:21:52 * halfhalo has no backups
May 27 00:22:01 <reality9110> It'll be the end of you
May 27 00:22:10 <halfhalo> heh… about that
May 27 00:22:29 <reality9110> When you write code as sloppy as I do, backups are essential
May 27 00:22:53 <halfhalo> Well, I DID have a backup.  Made it while I was reinstalling windows 7 on my laptop
May 27 00:23:02 <halfhalo> Then my dog got the HD with the backup on it
May 27 00:25:43 <haeffb> bak ups? what is this bak ups you speak of?
May 27 00:33:48 <reality9110> Alright.  Who wants to try out the new version of RadioTime?
May 27 00:34:14 <reality9110> Oh...one thing first.  Is it possible to get rid of the rounded corners in an app?
May 27 00:34:21 <reality9110> I hate those things
May 27 00:47:56 <ekpyr> just put your code on a dropbox folder. instant backups and revisions.
May 27 01:04:43 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Yes, you can.  If you make it full-screen it won't have rounded corners.  It won't have menus either, though.
May 27 01:08:43 <BigBiff> has anyone experienced any rendering bugs with a filterlist?
May 27 01:17:45 <reality9110> Roy-Pre101: Yeah, I need that menu.  Well, I might.  It's not like the users ever actually look at the help, but the account reset is there as well
May 27 01:51:49 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Full-screen is bad anyhow as it hides notifications.
May 27 02:25:42 <reality9110> I need a tester...
May 27 02:42:36 <je2345> for..?
May 27 02:42:47 <reality9110> RadioTime
May 27 02:42:49 <reality9110> New version
May 27 02:43:24 <je2345> i will test
May 27 02:43:43 <reality9110> I've got a few more bugs to kill here first
May 27 02:43:48 <je2345> i love testing...ok
May 27 02:43:53 <je2345> do u have gtalk/
May 27 02:43:54 <je2345> ?
May 27 02:44:03 <reality9110> Yes, but I don't use it
May 27 02:44:10 <je2345> oh ok
May 27 02:44:14 <je2345> i love gtalk
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