**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 27 02:59:57 2010
May 27 04:06:18 <BigBiff> wow i love beers by the fire
May 27 04:07:45 <BigBiff> all is quiet on the webos front
May 27 04:08:11 <zsoc> nah
May 27 04:08:13 <zsoc> it's noisy
May 27 04:08:51 <BigBiff> heh - then its not just the voices in my head
May 27 04:11:39 <Tibfib> okay so my pre keyboard has a weird bug. the space bar doesn't work if clicked directly after the comma key. happening to anyone else?
May 27 04:13:08 <Tibfib> but if you wait a half sec, it works. just not right after clicking the comma key
May 27 04:13:35 <BigBiff> my pre is dead (after only 10 hours? - o wait thats normal) - but i havent noticed that
May 27 04:14:42 <Tibfib> tis a strange bug
May 27 04:14:52 <BigBiff> aye
May 27 04:15:34 <BigBiff> still no resolution on my filterlist bug
May 27 04:15:42 <BigBiff> not that its a big deal
May 27 04:16:02 <BigBiff> scenario:
May 27 04:16:13 <BigBiff> filterList with over 100 items
May 27 04:16:27 <BigBiff> scroll past about item 40
May 27 04:16:31 <BigBiff> start typing
May 27 04:16:42 <BigBiff> (palm-dark setting)
May 27 04:17:47 <BigBiff> for the same amount of time as the delay is set, the bottom part of the screen turns white (the default palm scene background)
May 27 04:17:59 <BigBiff> until the new list renders, and rescrolls
May 27 04:18:22 <Tibfib> :O
May 27 04:18:37 <BigBiff> me no likey
May 27 04:18:58 * Tibfib should probably go to bed. last day of school tomorrow
May 27 04:19:09 <BigBiff> i've searched the forums for a tibfib fix, but to no avail
May 27 04:19:37 <BigBiff> nah - my last day of school was last week - stayed up laaaate
May 27 04:20:01 <Tibfib> heh. just trying to fix a lame bug.
May 27 04:20:03 <LoneStar99> BigBiff: beer is good all the time =)
May 27 04:20:09 <BigBiff> tibfib: student or teacher?
May 27 04:20:13 <Tibfib> student :)
May 27 04:20:28 * BigBiff feeling old
May 27 04:20:32 <BigBiff> hehe
May 27 04:22:04 <BigBiff> LoneStar99: if you're on the beach, beer's best before 10am
May 27 04:23:48 <Roy-Pre101> BigBiff: Might be able to fix it with some CSS.
May 27 04:24:02 <BigBiff> ya think?
May 27 04:24:16 <BigBiff> it's a weird render issue
May 27 04:25:06 <BigBiff> due to me being scrolled past the list (thats being rendered from the filterstring)
May 27 04:25:39 <BigBiff> but i still have had no success with the sceneScroller
May 27 04:27:07 <BigBiff> it's truly a minor issue, but it does bug me
May 27 04:28:04 <BigBiff> surely it's been mentioned in the forums, though i have yet to find it
May 27 04:33:38 <BigBiff> ok, one too many beers
May 27 04:33:42 <BigBiff> time for bed
May 27 04:34:47 <JenP> hi all!
May 27 04:35:16 <TheSavaLord> hello
May 27 04:35:43 <JenP> hi
May 27 04:36:43 <TheSavaLord> what's new
May 27 04:37:40 <JenP> nuthing just checkin in
May 27 05:02:54 <drewp> Email Application Alert: Error sending "" (and the smtp server reports no connection at all, in its logs)
May 27 05:41:25 <rolsworth> palm is hosting an event with Appcelerator
May 27 06:22:57 <pandora--> rolsworth: are there any good pdk examples out yet?
May 27 06:23:36 <rolsworth> i don't know
May 27 06:24:04 <rolsworth> did you make the pandora app?
May 27 06:24:31 <pandora--> no :(
May 27 06:25:00 <pandora--> iBored, iHate411, TuneWiki Lyrics Search  <- my apps
May 27 06:25:11 <rolsworth> have not been following the whole pdk thing. i am not a developer
May 27 06:25:12 <pandora--> and... one in the pending queue
May 27 06:25:21 <pandora--> rolsworth: ah
May 27 06:25:32 <rolsworth> not even sure what it means for webos besides games
May 27 06:26:13 <rolsworth> cool
May 27 06:26:36 <pandora--> flash
May 27 06:26:52 <pandora--> the upcoming flash support is made possible by the PDK
May 27 06:26:59 <rolsworth> oh
May 27 06:29:40 <pandora--> rolsworth: so you're just a palm user hangin in irc?
May 27 06:53:16 <swisstomcat> morning
May 27 06:54:35 <pandora--> evenin :)
May 27 08:46:46 <warpdesign_> hi swisstomcat
May 27 08:58:44 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
May 27 09:40:01 <proph3t> having trouble adjusting volume on an audio object
May 27 09:40:20 <proph3t> is this possible? this.audio = new Audio();  this.audio.volume = 0.5?
May 27 10:24:31 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 27 10:35:33 <warpdesign__> re hi
May 27 12:02:43 <haeffb> swisstomcat: are you done with done translations? I'm preparing to release an update this weekend and will include the German if it's ready?
May 27 12:03:17 <swisstomcat> morning haeffb
May 27 12:03:22 <swisstomcat> not ready yet but i can work on it again
May 27 12:03:27 <haeffb> oh, and morning! :)
May 27 12:03:42 <swisstomcat> more or less only fixing the umlauts, right?
May 27 12:04:11 <haeffb> yes, and there were a couple of other strings I sent via irc the other day...did u see them?
May 27 12:05:02 <swisstomcat> yeah, i saw the email
May 27 12:05:08 <swisstomcat> let me have a look-see
May 27 12:05:19 <haeffb> I will just send a new .ipk with the new strings added to the strings.json.
May 27 12:07:10 <HotDP> What are you working on
May 27 12:07:12 <HotDP> ?
May 27 12:07:33 <haeffb> me? Done!
May 27 12:08:05 <swisstomcat> i do all the translation and he just packs it up :)
May 27 12:08:59 <swisstomcat> i have 0.1.5, haeffb
May 27 12:09:23 <haeffb> 0.1.11 is on the way.
May 27 12:09:45 <haeffb> it has the notifications
May 27 12:10:07 <swisstomcat> cool
May 27 12:10:26 <haeffb> off to work. c u later.
May 27 12:11:14 <swisstomcat> i think i'm done with done :)
May 27 12:12:25 <haeffb> how about screenshots & an app description?
May 27 12:12:45 <swisstomcat> guess i can do that too
May 27 12:13:20 <haeffb> if it's too much trouble, I can find someone else...
May 27 12:14:44 <swisstomcat> send me the app description
May 27 12:14:48 <swisstomcat> i hope it's not 10 pages
May 27 12:15:46 <haeffb> http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=com.tigers.app.done
May 27 12:21:11 <HotDP> What kind of app is it?
May 27 12:21:35 <HotDP> i see now ;)
May 27 12:22:28 <swisstomcat> i still see some untranslated strings
May 27 12:26:01 <swisstomcat> my app is on spot 938 of hotapps ;(
May 27 12:26:35 <swisstomcat> the other one on spot 131 :)
May 27 12:26:36 <HotDP> 937 places and you are good to go
May 27 12:26:51 <HotDP> If it all payed apps?
May 27 12:27:03 <HotDP> *is
May 27 12:28:07 <swisstomcat> one is paid, one is free
May 27 12:28:16 <swisstomcat> guess which ones is on which place
May 27 12:32:23 <swisstomcat> ciao darkmagister
May 27 12:37:45 <HotDP> free high
May 27 12:37:58 <HotDP> Do you have adver. in the free one?
May 27 12:40:09 <swisstomcat> no, no ads
May 27 12:40:32 <HotDP> Oki. I wunder how much profit there are in ads
May 27 12:41:10 <swisstomcat> ask metaview
May 27 12:41:25 <swisstomcat> he has ads in his apps
May 27 12:43:52 <swisstomcat> morning roy-pre101
May 27 12:44:57 <Roy-Pre101> Howdy!
May 27 12:50:28 <amiroo> I'm stuck somehow. Anyone can tell me how to change the opacity of a widget created in ares on button tab?
May 27 12:51:12 <amiroo> i want to change the opacity of the spinner to 100% on button tab. i guess this is very simple. But i have no idea
May 27 12:53:13 <amiroo> this.$.spinner2Model.setOpacity(1.0);
May 27 12:53:28 <amiroo> and then modelChanged?
May 27 12:58:04 <amiroo> anyone? i know it must be easy. i just don't see it
May 27 13:00:21 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 27 13:00:30 <swisstomcat> do you have to call modelChanged?
May 27 13:01:21 <swisstomcat> does spinner2Model reference the model or the widget?
May 27 13:02:44 <amiroo> yes it does
May 27 13:03:00 <swisstomcat> what?
May 27 13:03:05 <amiroo> spinner2Model is the Model Name of the widget
May 27 13:03:15 <swisstomcat> what is the name of the widget itself?
May 27 13:03:18 <swisstomcat> spinner2?
May 27 13:03:21 <amiroo> yep
May 27 13:03:57 <swisstomcat> i'd say it should be this.$.spinner2.setOpacity(1.0);
May 27 13:04:13 <swisstomcat> since the opacity is a property of the widget, not it's model
May 27 13:04:21 <amiroo> oh isee
May 27 13:04:59 <swisstomcat> try it
May 27 13:05:41 <amiroo> object spinner2 has no method "setopacity"
May 27 13:06:30 <swisstomcat> setopacity or setOpacity?
May 27 13:06:32 <HotDP> this.controller.get('spinner2').setOpacity(0.0);
May 27 13:06:50 <amiroo> it was setOpacity., sorry
May 27 13:06:56 <amiroo> ok. let me try that
May 27 13:07:11 <HotDP> 1.0 even
May 27 13:07:25 <swisstomcat> i'm not sure when you use this.$. or this.controller.get in Ares
May 27 13:08:15 <amiroo> yes. it works
May 27 13:08:20 <amiroo> it was this.controller
May 27 13:08:26 <amiroo> thanks
May 27 13:09:48 <HotDP> Np
May 27 13:10:11 <swisstomcat> cool
May 27 13:10:16 <HotDP> swisstomcat, i had the same "problem" with Ares
May 27 13:10:30 <HotDP> About $/get
May 27 13:10:35 <swisstomcat> that's something that needs to be documented
May 27 13:10:38 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: That's all wrong
May 27 13:10:56 <amiroo> why?
May 27 13:10:59 <swisstomcat> clear our confusion, roy-pre101
May 27 13:11:00 <Roy-Pre101> Try:  this.$.whatever.node.setOpacity()
May 27 13:11:20 <amiroo> didn't work
May 27 13:11:24 <Roy-Pre101> pfft.
May 27 13:11:27 <swisstomcat> this.$.spinner2 didn't work
May 27 13:11:48 <HotDP> Can you explain `why "node"  should work?
May 27 13:12:09 <swisstomcat> this.$.spinner2.node.setOpacity() should work?
May 27 13:12:41 <amiroo> this.controller.get('spinner2').setOpacity(0.0); worked just fine
May 27 13:12:42 <Roy-Pre101> node points to the element containing the object.
May 27 13:13:00 <amiroo> ok
May 27 13:13:04 <Roy-Pre101> Usually anyhow
May 27 13:13:13 <Roy-Pre101> I'm not sure I documented that on webos101.com
May 27 13:13:16 <Roy-Pre101> I think I did.
May 27 13:15:42 <amiroo> I think i'll take a closer look to that
May 27 13:15:47 <amiroo> thanx roy
May 27 13:16:59 <swisstomcat> hmmm
May 27 13:17:09 <swisstomcat> model2 is the dom object, and node it's node
May 27 13:17:24 <swisstomcat> it's confusing if you use ares and the sdk
May 27 13:17:25 <HotDP> hmm
May 27 13:17:52 <HotDP> Yer, i found out that Get helped me with Ares when  $ did't
May 27 13:17:54 <swisstomcat> this.$.spinner2.node.setOpacity(0.0) works?
May 27 13:18:09 <HotDP> i don't think it does
May 27 13:18:18 <swisstomcat> error?
May 27 13:19:05 <HotDP> he said "object spinner2 has no method "setopacity""
May 27 13:19:28 <HotDP> sorry
May 27 13:19:30 <swisstomcat> this.$.spinner2.node.setOpacity(0.0)?
May 27 13:19:35 <HotDP> i did not se the node..
May 27 13:19:47 <HotDP> I would like to know if that works also?
May 27 13:21:16 <swisstomcat> try it
May 27 13:25:33 <HotDP> I can't did not see he quited..
May 27 13:26:28 <Roy-Pre101> There's a model2 in Ares?
May 27 13:26:37 <Roy-Pre101> Need an anatomy of an Ares widget page.
May 27 13:27:28 <HattCzech_work> morning
May 27 13:27:46 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign__: did you get that tax id thing figured out?
May 27 13:28:22 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: model2? we were talking about spinner2
May 27 13:28:29 <Roy-Pre101> oh
May 27 13:32:39 <swisstomcat> i'll probably use ares if i do a webos workshop
May 27 13:32:54 <swisstomcat> just have to get more familiar with it
May 27 13:33:38 <HotDP> I like Ares alot, but its because i got started on that.
May 27 13:34:04 <HotDP> installed eclipse and everything, but Ares was  just so easy to get started on, drag drop button and start coding
May 27 13:35:37 <swisstomcat> i have started with the sdk before ares was available
May 27 13:35:44 <swisstomcat> and now it's a bit hard to get used to ares
May 27 13:36:28 <HotDP> I understand that :-) If i could buy a Palm product in my country i would have started before Ares :P
May 27 13:36:28 <HattCzech_work> yeah, i'm the same way
May 27 13:36:39 <HattCzech_work> haven't really touched ares...
May 27 14:00:27 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 27 14:01:32 <HattCzech_work> anyone have a device (or emulator) around that has command line access?
May 27 14:15:38 <HotDP> bbl
May 27 14:59:42 <HattCzech_work> and internet is back
May 27 15:29:07 <HattCzech_work> anyone here in germany or a spanish-speaking country?
May 27 15:29:24 <HattCzech_work> (or german-speaking, like switzerland)
May 27 15:29:43 <HattCzech_work> (or austria for that matter)
May 27 16:01:32 <BigBiff> is there a way to map the progress of an ajax request? to see the packets (size) as they come in?
May 27 16:04:40 <bougyman> other than tcpdump-ing it?
May 27 16:05:01 <bougyman> you could tcpdump -w dumpfile the traffic then analyzie it with wireshark on your desktop.
May 27 16:05:08 <bougyman> it's not real-time, but it'll tell you what you need, probably.
May 27 16:06:41 <jettero> anyone happen to know how to get the contents (document object, page html, anything) of a WebView widget?
May 27 16:07:53 <jettero> I was really surprised to find the browser cookies aren't available to Ajax requests in an app.  That's ultiamtely what I'm trying to address...
May 27 16:08:05 <unwiredben> jettero: that's not available -- the WebView DOM is in a separate process (BrowserServer) from your main application and there's no communication channel for accessing the content.
May 27 16:08:35 <jettero> that's probably great for security, but irritating for my app
May 27 16:10:16 <unwiredben> what are you trying to access?
May 27 16:10:18 <oilsworkn> can't you include cookie data in requestHeaders for an ajax request?
May 27 16:10:51 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: Hey there!
May 27 16:11:00 <halfhalo> NOW its a party!
May 27 16:11:02 <chuqui> morning!
May 27 16:11:18 <jettero> unwiredben: anything useful from the webview
May 27 16:11:24 <halfhalo> Rainy morning hereā€¦. sadface
May 27 16:11:36 <oilsworkn> hey its raining here, too
May 27 16:11:39 <jettero> I was hoping to use a webview for authentication with an ajax endpoint, but that's not going to work because I can't get cookies or tokens or any content at all from the webview
May 27 16:11:43 <oilsworkn> today and yesterday
May 27 16:12:02 <halfhalo> yeah, but I was planning on wearing a tshirt, shorts, and flip flops.
May 27 16:12:07 <unwiredben> yeah, you'll need to simulate your form in the app and use the cookies you get form the AJAX POST
May 27 16:12:42 <jettero> it's an openid login, so that's not realistic
May 27 16:14:07 * halfhalo just realized he grabbed the wrong phone on the way out the door
May 27 16:14:21 * oilsworkn has a label on back of dev pre so that doesn't happen
May 27 16:14:46 <unwiredben> ah, with the redirects
May 27 16:15:29 * halfhalo just has em on order on the touchstones.  Deadpre, devpre, sprintpre.  Until sprintpre started spazing out on its touchstone
May 27 16:16:58 <oilsworkn> couldn't you read what was responded and send another request for the redirected page?
May 27 16:17:39 <oilsworkn> response.getAllHeaders() ?
May 27 16:18:36 <halfhalo> thats CRAZY talk!
May 27 16:19:02 * halfhalo grabs the right pre and the devpre for good measure and is off to class
May 27 16:52:27 <halfhalo_pre> breakfast of champions: bef jerky and a cold pepsi
May 27 17:07:11 <Roy-Pre101> halfhalo_pre: That's the breakfast your cardiologist hopes you eat more of.
May 27 17:09:30 <halfhalo_pre> lol
May 27 17:11:38 <warpdesign__> HattCzech_work: well, I entered my ssid
May 27 17:12:35 <swisstomcat> evening
May 27 17:15:22 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Evenin'
May 27 17:17:26 <LoneStar99> good afternoon all
May 27 17:17:35 <swisstomcat> hi lonestar
May 27 17:17:54 <LoneStar99> hello swisstomcat
May 27 17:53:55 <HattCzech_work> hey swisstomcat, what language do you use on your device?
May 27 17:54:07 <swisstomcat> depends which device :)
May 27 17:54:16 <swisstomcat> german on the main one
May 27 17:54:23 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, do you have one with access to the german app catalog?
May 27 17:55:30 <swisstomcat> nope, just the free one ... and the paid american
May 27 17:56:24 <HattCzech_work> just the free one? but in german?
May 27 17:57:21 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 27 17:57:37 <HattCzech_work> see if you can find txt group in there
May 27 17:58:00 <oilsworkn> txt grupo?
May 27 17:58:05 <HattCzech_work> (and feel free to download it, too) ;)
May 27 17:58:12 <HattCzech_work> grupo txt in spanish
May 27 17:58:20 <HattCzech_work> should be gruppen-sms for german
May 27 17:58:22 <oilsworkn> that was it
May 27 17:58:22 <oilsworkn> haha
May 27 17:58:40 <HattCzech_work> it WAS txt grupo, but i was told i should change it
May 27 17:58:41 <swisstomcat> let me check
May 27 17:59:37 <swisstomcat> yup
May 27 17:59:41 <swisstomcat> i can see gruppen-sms
May 27 18:00:11 <HattCzech_work> excellent... and how does it look (description and images)?
May 27 18:00:13 <swisstomcat> 5 stars, cool
May 27 18:01:26 <swisstomcat> looks good
May 27 18:01:45 <HattCzech_work> okay cool
May 27 18:01:54 <HattCzech_work> thanks! :)
May 27 18:02:22 <HattCzech_work> and if you'd like to add to my download count, i won't mind ;)
May 27 18:03:06 <oilsworkn> gruppen-sms is the better name
May 27 18:03:14 <oilsworkn> you should make that the default for english
May 27 18:03:23 <HattCzech_work> hahaha
May 27 18:06:09 <pandora--> mornin :)
May 27 18:06:37 <HattCzech_work> morning
May 27 18:07:32 <swisstomcat> mornin
May 27 18:07:35 <oilsworkn> its mid-day now :)
May 27 18:10:01 <sk4jc> hello everyone
May 27 18:10:35 <sk4jc> i have a dreaded GPS question
May 27 18:11:33 <sk4jc> is there anything I can do .... anything at all to try to get a GPS fix when all else fails?
May 27 18:12:03 <swisstomcat> what kind of gps problems?
May 27 18:12:37 <pandora--> oilsworkn: yeah true, i just rolled in the office kinda lazy like today
May 27 18:12:47 <pandora--> it's 11am here in LA
May 27 18:12:52 <sk4jc> well, sometimes the phone just does not respond and it takes a full 5 minute reboot for another chance to get it to respond
May 27 18:13:12 <pandora--> sk4jc: lol sucks.
May 27 18:13:28 <pandora--> sk4jc: dunno, the gps api is pretty basic.. not sure if there's any magic left to exploit there
May 27 18:14:15 <sk4jc> I want to make more GPS and GIS based apps but I just get hammered when it doesnt work for people
May 27 18:14:39 <sk4jc> I have had it happen to me as well.
May 27 18:14:52 <sk4jc> very frustrating when it happens right before I go out for a run
May 27 18:16:11 <swisstomcat> i have problems too from time to time
May 27 18:16:18 <swisstomcat> reboot is the only thing to do it seems
May 27 18:16:35 <swisstomcat> accuracy is 0m and position is somewhere out in the ocean
May 27 18:19:19 <sk4jc> i even tried that gps wrestler app
May 27 18:19:25 <sk4jc> didnt work for me
May 27 18:22:00 <MetaView> [20:18] MetaView: hi
May 27 18:22:00 <MetaView> [20:19] sk4jc: i even tried that gps wrestler app
May 27 18:22:00 <MetaView> [20:19] sk4jc: didnt work for me
May 27 18:22:00 <MetaView> [20:21] MetaView: I had it once, and enabling Plane mode did work
May 27 18:22:00 <MetaView> [20:21] MetaView: did solve it
May 27 18:25:17 <BigBiff> along those lines - i'd like to see more accurate docs on utilizing the map - many of the google params dont seem to work for me
May 27 18:25:53 * BigBiff do i hear roy?
May 27 18:27:43 <sk4jc> I will try the airplane mode thing next time
May 27 18:28:01 <sk4jc> I didnt think the GPS worked with airplane mode on though ... hmmm
May 27 18:28:08 <MetaView> If you're app is in ladnscape, how would you do the "going a scene back" stuff?
May 27 18:28:30 <MetaView> GPS works in airplane mode, but it needs the connection once in the beginning
May 27 18:29:32 <MetaView> I had the 0°/0° problem once and for me it looked like Google was reporting a wrong position (0/0) with a 0m error which lead to the wrong position
May 27 18:30:44 <sk4jc> MetaView, I have had that too
May 27 18:30:45 <MetaView> I used MapTool and was first trying GMaps and then other GPS enabled apps, but enabling Airplane mode helped at the end
May 27 18:31:30 <sk4jc> I can now get a cell tower fix quickly from the beginning from Palm's latest suggestion
May 27 18:31:41 <sk4jc> but then the GPS will just die
May 27 18:32:22 <sk4jc> is there a way pop up a dialog asking permission to turn on airplane mode?
May 27 18:32:45 <MetaView> how that?
May 27 18:32:53 <oilsworkn> dialogs are easy
May 27 18:32:59 <oilsworkn> can you turn on airplane frmo your app though?
May 27 18:33:16 <sk4jc> thats what i want to find out ...
May 27 18:33:46 <oilsworkn> that seems like something they would keep on the private bus
May 27 18:33:54 <oilsworkn> but im probably wrong
May 27 18:34:47 * halfhalo_pre can't wait for js services
May 27 18:34:59 <sk4jc> looking like not if it was requested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=356&start=0
May 27 18:35:18 * oilsworkn doesnt know about js services yet
May 27 18:35:32 <oilsworkn> right now i got it pretty good with rwhitby/puffy/etc building services for me :)
May 27 18:35:48 <oilsworkn> and i get to blame all the problems on them xD
May 27 18:36:27 <oilsworkn> sk4jc: that thread is almost a year old, haha
May 27 18:37:05 <sk4jc> oilsworkn: i am still looking :)
May 27 18:49:46 <sk4jc> I can't find anything about controlling airplane mode
May 27 18:49:54 <dunivan> hello?
May 27 18:50:29 <dunivan> wow it works, hey, im new to developing on palm webOS, had a question about the "status" of an "app"
May 27 18:50:53 <dunivan> if I were to create an app that when opened went to a m.domain.com, is that technically an app
May 27 18:52:00 <dunivan> or would it be a shortcut?
May 27 18:52:36 <halfhalo_class> technically that would be an app...
May 27 18:52:43 <MetaView> How would you close an app from within the app?
May 27 18:52:58 <oilsworkn> window.close()?
May 27 18:53:17 <halfhalo_class> I like window.diewindowdie!
May 27 18:53:23 <dunivan> yeah, since it would be a web shortcut I would think by nature it would open in a browser window
May 27 18:53:35 <dunivan> so window.close() or similar should work
May 27 18:53:52 <MetaView> diewindowdie! sound better
May 27 18:53:56 <pandora--> swisstomcat: lol you live on a raft. gps fail
May 27 18:54:06 <MetaView> oh, window.close() works...
May 27 18:54:12 <halfhalo_class> Well,the app would launch, then after that it would launch the browser methinks
May 27 18:54:26 <MetaView> I was trying Mojo.Controller.getAppController().closeAllStages();
May 27 18:54:39 <MetaView> you could just render the html inside the app
May 27 18:54:46 <halfhalo_class> yup
May 27 18:55:02 <MetaView> either a webview or you strip the body out and fill a div
May 27 18:56:07 <MetaView> ok, I might have an app for you to beta test...
May 27 18:56:30 <dunivan> thats what i was wondering, im going to make a m.domain for all phones to go to, but if I made it within the app, then they would not necessarily need an internet connection, its going to be a law oriented app, so a moment may make a difference
May 27 19:01:21 <MetaView> http://www.metaviewsoft.de/Soccer2010/de.metaviewsoft.soccer2010_0.9.0_all.ipk
May 27 19:05:18 <dunivan> what is soccer2010
May 27 19:08:31 <MetaView> a game
May 27 19:12:40 <dunivan> i cant install till tonight, but I'll give it a go if thats ok
May 27 19:13:16 <MetaView> yes, would like to have some feedback and populate the leaderboard with some countries :)
May 27 19:13:44 <dunivan> awesome! i havent really played like a sports game on my pre, looking forward to it
May 27 19:13:54 <dunivan> whats the best way to give feedback
May 27 19:18:10 <MetaView> send me an email, or here, if I'm there
May 27 19:18:29 <MetaView> my email address is on the help screen
May 27 19:21:51 <dunivan> sweet, will do
May 27 19:22:01 <swisstomcat> metaview: the blue guy doesn't move :)
May 27 19:23:44 <MetaView> the blue guy?
May 27 19:23:52 <MetaView> that's you
May 27 19:24:00 <MetaView> have you read the help screen?
May 27 19:24:07 <swisstomcat> huh
May 27 19:24:07 <MetaView> tilt the pre
May 27 19:24:13 <swisstomcat> yeah, but that controls the red guy
May 27 19:24:16 <MetaView> isn't there a swiss flag?
May 27 19:24:28 <swisstomcat> tilting controls the red guy
May 27 19:24:30 <MetaView> no, it controls the blue one
May 27 19:24:35 <sugardave> hahaha
May 27 19:24:37 <swisstomcat> on the left
May 27 19:24:44 <swisstomcat> it sure does on my pre :)
May 27 19:24:53 <sugardave> "I'm looking at it right here!!!"
May 27 19:25:31 <MetaView> you control the left player? the red one? weird...
May 27 19:25:34 <swisstomcat> there's a pre sign on the left and an american flag on the right
May 27 19:25:50 <MetaView> do you have english settings?
May 27 19:25:52 <swisstomcat> but i control the red guy and the blue one is just sitting in the corner doing nothing
May 27 19:25:55 <swisstomcat> yes
May 27 19:25:56 <MetaView> american even?
May 27 19:25:58 <swisstomcat> yes
May 27 19:26:01 <swisstomcat> american pre plus
May 27 19:26:05 <MetaView> ok, then you play for USA :)
May 27 19:26:29 <MetaView> but as you control the wrong player, it doesn't matter much :D
May 27 19:26:46 <MetaView> 6          Markus     1 : 12
May 27 19:26:47 <MetaView> hm
May 27 19:26:56 <swisstomcat> it's an easy game
May 27 19:27:05 <halfhalo_class> thats what she said
May 27 19:27:12 <MetaView> but you are not very well in it :)
May 27 19:28:07 <swisstomcat> huh
May 27 19:28:14 <swisstomcat> now i can control red AND blue at the same time
May 27 19:28:24 <swisstomcat> 19:4
May 27 19:28:25 <MetaView> still puzzling
May 27 19:28:32 <MetaView> could you make a video?
May 27 19:28:50 <MetaView> http://www.metaviewsoft.de/Soccer2010
May 27 19:28:55 <MetaView> you're still last
May 27 19:29:14 <swisstomcat> you're counting the wrong player
May 27 19:29:17 <swisstomcat> :)
May 27 19:29:24 <swisstomcat> 19 is the red one, 4 the blue one
May 27 19:29:37 <MetaView> yes, and the blue is your player
May 27 19:30:02 * MetaView knew the swiss are a bit slow...
May 27 19:30:02 <swisstomcat> it is not
May 27 19:30:11 <swisstomcat> i tell you i can control the red one
May 27 19:30:21 <swisstomcat> but also the blue on if i tilt the pre far enough down
May 27 19:30:34 <Bmyers> is there a minimum star rating required for "popular" app in the app catalog?
May 27 19:30:42 <MetaView> put the pre flat and see what happens
May 27 19:30:56 <MetaView> Bmyers: 3 I guess
May 27 19:31:02 <swisstomcat> flat controls the red one too
May 27 19:31:09 <swisstomcat> 4.5 minimum i think
May 27 19:31:13 <MetaView> yes, it's not you
May 27 19:31:19 <MetaView> is the computer
May 27 19:31:49 <BeBoo_> at&t messed up my order for my pre plus =[
May 27 19:32:00 <halfhalo_class> and how is that suprising?
May 27 19:32:04 <BeBoo_> true
May 27 19:32:10 <swisstomcat> i made a video, metaview
May 27 19:32:32 <BeBoo_> ordered it yesterday, it was supposed to be here today but at&t didn't give it to fedex until like 9:30 which is too late for overnight shipments
May 27 19:32:40 <swisstomcat> having the pre flat controls the red guy, having it 90 degrees control the blue guy
May 27 19:38:02 <swisstomcat> hmm "bp wants twitter to shut down fake account mocking them. twitter wants bp to shut down leak that's ruining the sea
May 27 19:38:07 <halfhalo_class> yeah
May 27 19:38:09 <halfhalo_class> saw that
May 27 19:39:33 <swisstomcat> @bpglobalpr is the account
May 27 19:39:59 <swisstomcat> "We are dedicated to helping the wildlife in the gulf. Any birds that need cleaning must report to 287 Quartemain St, Baton Rouge, LA 70801."
May 27 19:40:39 <MetaView> Can you put images into a popup list?
May 27 19:42:44 <Tibfib> MetaView: yes, jenP figured this out the other day. lemme find hte link
May 27 19:43:00 <Tibfib> http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Adding_icons_to_your_submenu
May 27 19:49:17 <MetaView> yes, secondary icon, but does it work with a ListSelector?
May 27 19:49:32 <MetaView> it work with a popupmenu, and is described in the API
May 27 19:50:51 <MetaView> ok, but will check it, maybe I can just add asubmenu instead of a listSelector
May 27 19:51:06 <halfhalo_class> wooy
May 27 19:51:07 <halfhalo_class> woot
May 27 19:51:09 <halfhalo_class> more side work
May 27 19:54:21 <kevinskocik> Hi
May 27 19:56:01 <swisstomcat> hi
May 27 20:09:30 <PuffTheMagic> lemketron: ping
May 27 20:11:24 <sk4jc> Any runners in here?
May 27 20:11:58 <halfhalo_class> only if you count from the law
May 27 20:12:11 <sk4jc> lol
May 27 20:12:31 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: I'll e-mail some comments.  The english on the title page could use a little tweaking
May 27 20:14:38 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: Why does the score start 1:1?
May 27 20:15:56 <swisstomcat> already fixed
May 27 20:16:12 <dohtem> anyone planing to attend the June 9th  WebOS meetup in SF?
May 27 20:16:13 <swisstomcat> in germany the start the soccer games with 1:1 :)
May 27 20:16:21 <swisstomcat> wish SF was not so far away
May 27 20:16:27 <kevinskocik> Anyone know if it's possible to automatically populate the google maps ui widget with a query?
May 27 20:17:34 <Roy-Pre101> kevinskocik: I believe so but I've not used it.  It uses the standard google API so...
May 27 20:17:45 <Roy-Pre101> kevinskocik: I encourage you to document it on webos101.com since no one else has yet.
May 27 20:18:18 <sugardave> is there a Google Maps widget for Mojo apps?
May 27 20:18:23 <kevinskocik> Might have gotten it. Trying it right now.
May 27 20:18:33 <swisstomcat> there's one for ares
May 27 20:18:41 <sugardave> hmmm...
May 27 20:18:45 <sugardave> did not know that
May 27 20:18:54 <swisstomcat> made an app a few days ago .. very easy
May 27 20:19:13 <swisstomcat> took like 2 hours including a little webservice to pull data from to populate map markers with
May 27 20:19:17 <sugardave> I feel I lack precise control of things in Ares, code-wise
May 27 20:19:57 <swisstomcat> yeah, me too
May 27 20:20:00 <swisstomcat> so far
May 27 20:20:30 <Bmyers> didnt know you were such a control freak sugardave
May 27 20:20:43 <kevinskocik> I enjoy using Ares.
May 27 20:20:55 <kevinskocik> Works well for simple apps.
May 27 20:21:17 <MetaView> Roy-Pre101: thx, and congratulation to 2nd place :)
May 27 20:21:38 <MetaView> Roy-Pre101: you might redownload, then the score starts at 0:0
May 27 20:22:26 <Roy-Pre101> Got into a long battle with the computer where I couldn't score on it.
May 27 20:23:27 <MetaView> it might be better to take the score instead to have a long battle without scoring
May 27 20:26:06 <Roy-Pre101> yeah.
May 27 20:26:10 <Roy-Pre101> I was thinking the same
May 27 20:34:37 <MetaView> you can just use icon instead of label in a ListSelector
May 27 20:45:39 <warpdesign__> well, unfortunately it's not ok if options aren't working anymore :/
May 27 20:46:07 <sugardave> damn, quitting smoking SUCKS
May 27 20:46:25 <sugardave> all you  kids at home: don't smoke
May 27 20:46:43 <swisstomcat> yup
May 27 20:46:59 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: get addicted to something else... like crack
May 27 20:47:07 <HattCzech_work> might take the edge off
May 27 20:47:13 <sugardave> supposedly it's easier to kick heroin than nicotine
May 27 20:47:17 <sugardave> I should get some heroin
May 27 20:47:48 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign__: got a few minutes? :)
May 27 20:47:49 <swisstomcat> meth
May 27 20:47:50 <HattCzech_work> hahaha
May 27 20:49:36 <MetaView> Roy-Pre101: added some lines to the Wiki
May 27 20:50:47 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: yay!
May 27 20:51:12 <warpdesign__> HattCzech_work: maybe in a few minutes
May 27 20:51:31 <HattCzech_work> awesome, just ping me when you do
May 27 20:52:56 <sugardave> OMG I've lost my special forum color :(
May 27 20:53:06 <halfhalo_class> ?
May 27 20:53:11 <sugardave> WHY?  WHY GOD WHY?
May 27 20:54:21 <sugardave> oh good, it's not just me
May 27 20:59:17 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: Wouldn't that snippet on ListSelector go on http://webos101.com/ListSelector better?
May 27 21:03:40 <MetaView> yes, maybe
May 27 21:03:48 <MetaView> just used the page which I had open
May 27 21:03:57 <MetaView> haven't searched for the correct place
May 27 21:04:03 <MetaView> do you want to move it?
May 27 21:04:14 <MetaView> I'm almost sleeping
May 27 21:06:09 <MetaView> "Google's Acquisition of AdMob Closed Today"
May 27 21:06:19 <MetaView> wonder what this means
May 27 21:06:29 <halfhalo_class> no idea
May 27 21:06:32 <halfhalo_class> not caring
May 27 21:07:45 <swisstomcat> who is google anyway?
May 27 21:10:42 <oil> skynet
May 27 21:10:51 <halfhalo_class> damn
May 27 21:10:55 <halfhalo_class> not again
May 27 21:11:09 * halfhalo_class goes to get his skynet hatchet
May 27 21:11:53 <oil> They were going to call themselves Cyberdyne, but thought it best to hide it
May 27 21:12:33 * halfhalo_class notices his hatchet has gone missing
May 27 21:35:47 <rsowns101> hey
May 27 21:36:19 <rsowns101> I just joined now, so how is everyone?
May 27 21:37:06 <swisstomcat> good
May 27 21:37:08 <swisstomcat> welcome
May 27 21:37:14 <rsowns101> Thanks
May 27 21:39:02 <rsowns101> I like the Honor thy NDA part in the description :)
May 27 21:39:24 <swisstomcat> got a new palm device?
May 27 21:39:29 <pandora--> heh i guess we can take that out of /topic huh?
May 27 21:39:38 <halfhalo_class>  meh
May 27 21:39:39 <pandora--> rsowns101: welcome :)
May 27 21:39:40 <halfhalo_class> why?
May 27 21:39:49 <rsowns101> Lol
May 27 21:39:58 <pandora--> halfhalo: to make space for "Please buy pandora--'s applications" in /topic
May 27 21:39:59 <pandora--> thats why
May 27 21:40:02 <halfhalo_class> So. on a level of 1 to bored i'm at 11
May 27 21:40:05 <pandora--> win!
May 27 21:40:16 <pandora--> halfhalo: lol
May 27 21:40:32 <pandora--> halfhalo: you should... go hit on the secretary
May 27 21:40:41 <halfhalo_class> Psh
May 27 21:40:46 <pandora--> halfhalo: are you in an office?
May 27 21:40:46 <halfhalo_class> I'm the only one in my office
May 27 21:40:53 <pandora--> lol oh
May 27 21:40:58 <pandora--> ya, me too. except for my cats.
May 27 21:41:00 * pandora-- home
May 27 21:41:08 <halfhalo_class> and theres like 3 people in the office where my office is located
May 27 21:41:10 <rsowns101> I can't wait to see if anything new and interesting comes out of Palm's WWDC :)
May 27 21:41:26 <pandora--> HP's WWDC? yeah!
May 27 21:41:29 <pandora--> :P
May 27 21:41:50 <pandora--> halfhalo: well, than wtf are you still doing in the office? if you're the only one there... and bored as hell
May 27 21:41:50 <halfhalo_class> I would go, but E3....
May 27 21:41:55 <rsowns101> Heh, Hp doesn't own Palm till July 31 :)
May 27 21:42:00 <pandora--> halfhalo: what about e3?
May 27 21:42:07 <halfhalo_class> its the 14th?
May 27 21:42:08 <pandora--> rsowns101: heh
May 27 21:42:15 <pandora--> halfhalo: yeah 14-16
May 27 21:42:20 <halfhalo_class> and I'm lazy and don't want to drive back in time to go?
May 27 21:42:36 <pandora--> halfhalo: oh, you're in LA now?
May 27 21:42:41 <halfhalo_class> yeah
May 27 21:42:47 <halfhalo_class> I sorta... live here
May 27 21:42:48 <pandora--> halfhalo: but not normally..
May 27 21:42:58 * pandora-- confused
May 27 21:43:00 <rsowns101> The more people that go to Palm's developer event the better
May 27 21:43:14 <halfhalo_class> I don't want to have to drive up there, then back
May 27 21:43:15 <pandora--> no idea what E3 has to do with you being bored at the office alone than... heh
May 27 21:43:19 <halfhalo_class> Dev days was fun....
May 27 21:44:03 <pandora--> i'll be there for e3 day one though
May 27 21:44:14 <halfhalo_class> I'll be there all 3 days
May 27 21:44:19 <pandora--> traffic is the suck
May 27 21:44:24 <pandora--> ah right
May 27 21:44:25 <halfhalo_class> plus going to the pre e3 valve thing
May 27 21:44:30 <pandora--> yeah. punk.
May 27 21:44:44 <pandora--> i'm just goin cause I can, and haven't missed an E3 in yearrrrs
May 27 21:44:57 <HattCzech_work> pandora--: what app should we all be buying?
May 27 21:45:00 <pandora--> except for the year they were retarded and did it in warehouses in santa monica
May 27 21:45:08 <halfhalo_class> lol
May 27 21:45:19 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: iHate411, iBored and TuneWiki Lyrics Search :D
May 27 21:45:25 <halfhalo_class> Ewww
May 27 21:45:28 <halfhalo_class> those suck
May 27 21:45:31 <HattCzech_work> haha
May 27 21:45:40 <pandora--> wtf just got cockblocked on irc
May 27 21:45:43 <pandora--> bitch
May 27 21:45:44 <zsoc> hahaha
May 27 21:45:46 <pandora--> :P
May 27 21:46:07 <pandora--> it's funding my expensive hobbies
May 27 21:46:13 <pandora--> and upside-down mortgage
May 27 21:46:15 <pandora--> :D
May 27 21:46:17 <pandora--> yay los angeles
May 27 21:46:18 <halfhalo_class> bah
May 27 21:46:46 <pandora--> i swear if my mortage wasn't so flipped, i'd sell and leave
May 27 21:46:57 <pandora--> i love CA and LA, but it's getting ridiculous
May 27 21:47:35 <halfhalo_class> Lol
May 27 21:47:43 <HattCzech_work> sounds like it's time for me to buy! :)
May 27 21:47:54 <HattCzech_work> (except i probably can't afford anything there)
May 27 21:47:57 <halfhalo_class> Speaking of CA, I think both gov candidates are friggin retards
May 27 21:48:10 <pandora--> hhahhah
May 27 21:48:42 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: that's what I thought two years ago after the market crashed. so i bought.. and it wasn't done crashing
May 27 21:48:44 <pandora--> wooo yay
May 27 21:49:36 <HattCzech_work> yeah, now you just have to hang on longer
May 27 21:51:32 <pandora--> yuup.
May 27 21:52:49 <halfhalo_class> home time in an hour...
May 27 21:53:17 <halfhalo_class> it better not be raining....
May 27 21:53:28 <pandora--> not raining here anymore
May 27 21:53:33 <pandora--> actually sunny
May 27 21:53:38 <pandora--> by the marina
May 27 21:55:05 <halfhalo_class> bleh
May 27 21:55:09 <halfhalo_class> No windows
May 27 21:55:20 <pandora--> you have no windows?
May 27 21:55:29 <halfhalo_class> not in mah office
May 27 21:55:29 <swisstomcat> me neither :)
May 27 21:55:33 <pandora--> heh
May 27 21:55:35 <pandora--> lames
May 27 21:55:37 <halfhalo_class> its really an office inside an office
May 27 21:56:37 <halfhalo_class> no control over the AC aither
May 27 21:56:42 <halfhalo_class> so its always cold
May 27 21:56:54 <rsowns101> Palm office?
May 27 21:57:13 <halfhalo_class> no
May 27 21:57:22 <rsowns101> Oh ok lol
May 27 21:57:23 <halfhalo_class> my office, which unfortunatly is not at palm
May 27 21:58:02 <rsowns101> Be back later
May 27 22:00:01 <pandora--> heh
May 27 22:00:14 <pandora--> i actually went into the 'real' office today, for a few hours
May 27 22:00:21 <pandora--> i try and do that once a week
May 27 22:00:36 <pandora--> boss says it's good to see other people. meh
May 27 22:00:40 <halfhalo_class> Lol
May 27 22:00:50 <halfhalo_class> I just come in after my class since its like... right there
May 27 22:01:24 <pandora--> usc?
May 27 22:01:31 <pandora--> for some reason i'm picturing your office downtown
May 27 22:01:33 <halfhalo_class> csun
May 27 22:01:45 <pandora--> ooh 661 land?
May 27 22:01:57 <halfhalo_class> 667/818
May 27 22:02:17 <pandora--> oh, i was thinking of a different school... nm
May 27 22:02:31 <pandora--> yeah northridge right?
May 27 22:02:36 <halfhalo_class> yup
May 27 22:04:07 <halfhalo_class> I shoulda brought mah zune
May 27 22:04:16 <halfhalo_class> then I coulda watched mythbusters on the projector
May 27 22:05:56 <halfhalo_class> wait... when did we get another projector...
May 27 22:06:45 <pandora--> hulu?
May 27 22:06:58 <pandora--> quake3 in browser?
May 27 22:07:03 <pandora--> chatroullete?
May 27 22:07:06 <pandora--> lol
May 27 22:07:17 <halfhalo_class> mebe, mebe, hell no
May 27 22:08:31 <halfhalo_class> I want a drumstick
May 27 22:08:56 <pandora--> chatroulette is hilarious
May 27 22:09:07 <pandora--> and disturbing
May 27 22:09:11 <pandora--> all rolled in one
May 27 22:09:13 <halfhalo_class> exacry
May 27 22:09:54 <swisstomcat> chatroulette?
May 27 22:10:20 <lemketron> Puff: 'sup?
May 27 22:10:22 <HattCzech_work> don't ask
May 27 22:10:29 <halfhalo_class> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
May 27 22:10:38 <halfhalo_class> MINIFRIDGE EMPTY!!!!!!!!!!!
May 27 22:11:58 * halfhalo_class is out of coke.....
May 27 22:12:40 * HattCzech_work walks to the FREE vending machine and gets a coke...
May 27 22:12:52 <pandora--> swisstomcat: yeah... chatroulette.com
May 27 22:13:08 <swisstomcat> hey lemketron
May 27 22:13:09 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: you probably don't want to go there
May 27 22:13:10 <HattCzech_work> hahaha
May 27 22:13:14 <swisstomcat> why not?
May 27 22:13:15 <halfhalo_class> csun only has pepsi... I bought in coke myself
May 27 22:13:25 <lemketron> hey
May 27 22:13:55 <HattCzech_work> from what i've heard, there are a LOT of inappropriate video chat sessions that pop up
May 27 22:14:14 <swisstomcat> i see a black window
May 27 22:14:22 <halfhalo_class> This will not end well
May 27 22:14:26 * halfhalo_class gets popcorn
May 27 22:14:57 <swisstomcat> WTF!!!!!
May 27 22:15:30 <halfhalo_class> told you....
May 27 22:15:50 <halfhalo_class> chatroullete is made up of 2 parts meme's and 8 parts dick
May 27 22:16:20 <swisstomcat> yeah, apparently
May 27 22:16:28 <swisstomcat> no b**bs?
May 27 22:16:35 <halfhalo_class> no
May 27 22:17:29 <HattCzech_work> so what showed up after the black screen?
May 27 22:17:36 <swisstomcat> don't ask
May 27 22:17:36 <HattCzech_work> nothing good, i assume?
May 27 22:17:48 <HattCzech_work> yeah, which is why i said you probably didn't want to go there :)
May 27 22:17:50 <swisstomcat> wasn't pretty, that's for sure
May 27 22:18:10 <lemketron> most likely nsfw
May 27 22:18:17 <swisstomcat> nope
May 27 22:18:21 <halfhalo_class> oh, it is definetly nsfw
May 27 22:18:25 <swisstomcat> nsfk either
May 27 22:18:33 <swisstomcat> are you at hp already, lemketron?
May 27 22:18:38 <HattCzech_work> at least 90% would be my guess
May 27 22:18:42 <lemketron> Yeah, I can't wait until I have to start fielding questions about that...
May 27 22:18:44 <halfhalo_class> well, its safe for mah work
May 27 22:18:49 <halfhalo_class> but my work is retarted
May 27 22:18:51 <lemketron> (chat, not hp)
May 27 22:19:10 <swisstomcat> did you get your windshield fixed? ;)
May 27 22:19:30 <lemketron> Huh?  It's only been two days.  I have two months!  ;-)
May 27 22:19:54 <pandora--> lol
May 27 22:19:55 <lemketron> crap, closed the wrong window
May 27 22:20:08 <halfhalo_class> lulz
May 27 22:20:11 <pandora--> we should have warned that chatroulette /can/ be nsfw hehe
May 27 22:20:32 <halfhalo_class> I need to take my car in for its 100,000 mile service... good times
May 27 22:21:22 <lemketron> I get gas about once/month...  Love my ~5 mile commute.  Of course, if the acquisition goes through, and if they end up moving us to HP's Cupertino campus, I could walk to work.
May 27 22:21:43 <halfhalo_class> My commutes 3 miles
May 27 22:21:47 <halfhalo_class> but is 15 minutes
May 27 22:21:54 <halfhalo_class> and I get 12mpg getting here
May 27 22:21:58 <halfhalo_class> sadface
May 27 22:22:06 <lemketron> 3 miles?  get a bike
May 27 22:22:15 <swisstomcat> why would the acquisition not go through?
May 27 22:22:15 <halfhalo_class> there are alot of hills in the way
May 27 22:22:27 <lemketron> (we just have to add that disclaimer since nothing is done yet)
May 27 22:23:05 <halfhalo_class> I think i need new brakes as well...
May 27 22:23:08 <swisstomcat> it seems that some folks are already at the hp campus
May 27 22:23:08 <halfhalo_class> and new rotors
May 27 22:23:30 <swisstomcat> hrmm
May 27 22:23:33 <swisstomcat> strange bug
May 27 22:23:36 <pandora--> man, even with hills 3 miles is nothin on a bike
May 27 22:23:42 <swisstomcat> a listSelector works on the emulator, but not on the device
May 27 22:23:49 <halfhalo_class> they are big hills
May 27 22:23:49 <swisstomcat> how could that be?
May 27 22:24:31 <halfhalo_class> and lets face, it.  I'm a lazy sob
May 27 22:24:37 <halfhalo_class> who drives an suv
May 27 22:25:13 <swisstomcat> have your tried animal memory, lemketron? (my new app)
May 27 22:25:21 <swisstomcat> and the new moo version
May 27 22:25:42 <lemketron> I have not...  but I should
May 27 22:25:45 <halfhalo_class> ohgoddamit
May 27 22:25:47 <halfhalo_class> more phone spam
May 27 22:26:02 <lemketron> stop signing up for those free coupons via sms.  ;-)
May 27 22:26:06 <swisstomcat> animal memory has the same animals
May 27 22:26:10 <halfhalo_class> E3 crap
May 27 22:26:19 <swisstomcat> and in moo you can now slide from one animal to the next one
May 27 22:26:39 <halfhalo_class> NO, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A LINE OF GOD DAMN SESAME STREET PRODUCTS
May 27 22:26:47 * halfhalo_class is done venting
May 27 22:28:53 <pandora--> wow
May 27 22:28:59 <pandora--> what did you buy that got you on that list??
May 27 22:29:18 <halfhalo_class> E3 media....
May 27 22:29:35 <pandora--> i haven't gotten any spam from them
May 27 22:29:45 <swisstomcat> it seems that dev rel is already at hp campus, lemketron
May 27 22:29:50 <halfhalo_class> going as media?
May 27 22:30:00 <pandora--> ohhhh. no
May 27 22:30:07 <pandora--> just as industry
May 27 22:30:15 <halfhalo_class> ah, thats why
May 27 22:30:17 <pandora--> :)
May 27 22:30:28 <lemketron> swisstomcat: Not likely.  They did just move, though, over to our building (b3).
May 27 22:30:40 <swisstomcat> oh, i see
May 27 22:30:53 <swisstomcat> so they can just lift the engineering building up and fly it over to hp
May 27 22:31:01 <swisstomcat> the dungeons
May 27 22:31:13 <halfhalo_class> using hp powered hovercrafts
May 27 22:31:18 <halfhalo_class> and hp powered watches
May 27 22:31:25 <halfhalo_class> and hp powered toasters int eh break rooms
May 27 22:32:12 <swisstomcat> and hp printers with touchscreens / embedded pres
May 27 22:32:23 <halfhalo_class> hey, I like my hp printer
May 27 22:32:39 <halfhalo_class> execpt when it turns its screen on for no damn reason
May 27 22:32:43 <halfhalo_class> that thing is bright
May 27 22:35:02 <rwhitby> morning
May 27 22:35:08 <halfhalo_class> murnin
May 27 22:35:36 <lemketron> I love my HP printer too.  Everyone should buy one.  ;-)
May 27 22:35:38 <HattCzech_work> lemketron: what do you do at palm?
May 27 22:35:44 <halfhalo_class> 25 minutes to home
May 27 22:36:11 <lemketron> HattCzech: tools, sdk, emulator, and other stuff
May 27 22:36:18 <renegaid> I have an hp printer
May 27 22:36:24 <halfhalo_class> and looking after the bunnies...
May 27 22:36:26 <HattCzech_work> cool
May 27 22:36:50 <renegaid> lem where is flash
May 27 22:37:00 <halfhalo_class> gabe newell ate it
May 27 22:37:11 <pandora--> renegaid: straight to the point. i like it.
May 27 22:37:17 <pandora--> halfhalo: LOL
May 27 22:37:34 <pandora--> oh gabe...
May 27 22:38:19 <halfhalo_class> Theres a reason it took so long for steam on the mac... Gabe kept eating their apple computers thinking they were food
May 27 22:39:25 <HattCzech_work> lemketron: do you have any input on framework changes?
May 27 22:39:35 <HattCzech_work> (or can you point me in the direction of people who might?)
May 27 22:39:37 <lemketron> indirectly
May 27 22:39:57 <HattCzech_work> want to check out a "bug" for me and tell me what you think?
May 27 22:40:05 <lemketron> Sometimes you can catch MattM (who manages tools and framework) on #webos...
May 27 22:40:14 <halfhalo_class> lies
May 27 22:40:15 <HattCzech_work> i'll keep that name in mind
May 27 22:40:21 <HattCzech_work> and watch for him
May 27 22:40:30 <swisstomcat> lemketron is the senior bit twiddler at palm :)
May 27 22:40:40 <lemketron> what's the "bug" ?
May 27 22:41:02 <HattCzech_work> list items with widgets in them don't work after being attempt-deleted
May 27 22:41:08 <lemketron> (Not sure if HP supports such titles...  I may have to change to "MTS".)
May 27 22:41:12 <renegaid> I read today that adobe released flash beta to palm but palm has not released it
May 27 22:41:16 <HattCzech_work> i can give you an excellent example in my app...
May 27 22:41:21 <lemketron> (where "MTS" is, obviously, "Member of the Twiddling Staff")
May 27 22:41:23 <HattCzech_work> txt group
May 27 22:41:35 <HattCzech_work> (if you have the emulator handy and access to the app)
May 27 22:41:42 <swisstomcat> hehe
May 27 22:41:46 * halfhalo_class just wants wpa2 to work properly on his phone
May 27 22:41:47 <HattCzech_work> (or a webos device)
May 27 22:41:53 <lemketron> I have a few emulators handy... what flavor?
May 27 22:42:08 <HattCzech_work> doesn't matter to me... i'm using 1.4.1.1
May 27 22:42:28 <HattCzech_work> well, 1.4.1.427
May 27 22:44:32 <halfhalo_class> well then
May 27 22:44:39 <lemketron> ok, got 1.4.1.427...  what's the bug?
May 27 22:44:41 <halfhalo_class> apparently my mini is on at home
May 27 22:44:48 <HattCzech_work> need a link to my app? or do you have easier access?
May 27 22:45:27 <lemketron> link is fine
May 27 22:47:12 <HattCzech_work> oops
May 27 22:47:26 <HattCzech_work> get rid of the s (just http)
May 27 22:50:59 <halfhalo_class> I still want icecream
May 27 22:55:42 <pandora--> hrm
May 27 22:55:47 <pandora--> too cold for ice cream
May 27 22:56:06 <halfhalo_class> IT IS NEVER TO COLD FOR ICECREAM
May 27 22:56:34 <Megatherium> It is for me.
May 27 22:56:38 * Megatherium shivers.
May 27 22:56:56 <lemketron> if it were (ever too cold), baskin robbins would have to close for the winter.
May 27 22:57:03 <lemketron> fortunately they don't.
May 27 22:57:10 <HattCzech_work> very fortunate
May 27 22:57:18 <halfhalo_class> 3 minutes!
May 27 22:57:36 <Megatherium> Well, some people are strange, and don't seem to feel the effects of the cold. Like people from the East Coast of the US. Or Scandinavians.
May 27 22:57:57 <halfhalo_class> I'm in Socal...
May 27 22:58:21 <Megatherium> Well you're strange, then.
May 27 22:58:33 <halfhalo_class> Yup
May 27 22:58:38 <HattCzech_work> it's usually warm here, so ice cream almost always sounds good
May 27 22:58:39 <halfhalo_class> And a little insane
May 27 22:58:42 <halfhalo_class> and homicidal
May 27 22:58:42 <Megatherium> Then again, being in SoCal, what's your idea of cold? 68?
May 27 22:59:03 <halfhalo_class> 75 is cold dammit!
May 27 22:59:12 <halfhalo_class> bbiab home time
May 27 22:59:21 <HattCzech_work> here in austin, cold is about... 60
May 27 22:59:28 <pandora--> Megatherium: yup
May 27 22:59:49 <pandora--> Megatherium: i'm by the beach, it's cold and 65F right now
May 27 22:59:56 <pandora--> cold man!
May 27 23:00:21 <Megatherium> I'm in San Francisco and it's actually a bit worse.
May 27 23:00:25 * Megatherium shudders.
May 27 23:01:05 <Megatherium> Somewhere in the mid 50s, I think. Where the hell's global warming when you need it?
May 27 23:01:56 <HattCzech_work> ASDJAGHSDJG! how do people not know about deleting list items!?
May 27 23:02:20 <HattCzech_work> the biggest complaint i get about my app is "i can't delete groups/users"
May 27 23:02:30 <HattCzech_work> jeebus!
May 27 23:02:32 <swisstomcat> some people don't even know the app menu
May 27 23:02:51 <pandora--> ehehe
May 27 23:02:57 <swisstomcat> no jke
May 27 23:02:58 <swisstomcat> joke
May 27 23:03:04 <HattCzech_work> i put the info on my page because i've been asked SOOOOO MANY TIMES already
May 27 23:03:06 <swisstomcat> some people don't know the back-gesture
May 27 23:03:40 <HattCzech_work> and now i have a 0-star review because "It dosent send my text"
May 27 23:03:47 <pandora--> ouch
May 27 23:04:17 <HattCzech_work> i'm pretty sure it does if configured properly
May 27 23:04:31 <warpdesign__> at least your app works on a real device...
May 27 23:04:33 <warpdesign__> :((((
May 27 23:04:38 <HattCzech_work> otherwise i wouldn't be able to do it myself... nor would the other 5000 people that have used it
May 27 23:05:01 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign__: yours doesn't?
May 27 23:05:14 <HattCzech_work> and are you up for some translation? :) :) :)
May 27 23:05:22 <Megatherium> What's your app HattCzech_work , if you don't me asking?
May 27 23:05:28 <warpdesign__> HattCzech_work: just heard it's buggy on real hardware.. and i just have released it..
May 27 23:05:28 <HattCzech_work> txt group
May 27 23:05:31 <pandora--> i have a 0 star review: RIPPOFF ARTISTS DOESNT WORK AT ALL SCUM!
May 27 23:05:36 <warpdesign__> spent my nights working on it.. for nothing..
May 27 23:05:39 <pandora--> why? no idea.
May 27 23:05:58 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign__: don't get too upset... just keep working on it
May 27 23:06:07 <warpdesign__> why ? it's a waste
May 27 23:06:10 <HattCzech_work> my first app went through many revisions...
May 27 23:06:33 <HattCzech_work> why's it a waste?
May 27 23:06:44 <HattCzech_work> what's your app, warpdesign?
May 27 23:07:21 <HattCzech_work> Megatherium: did you check my app out? if so, what do you think?
May 27 23:07:53 <HattCzech_work> Megatherium: i just noticed you're in SF... i'll be there this weekend :)
May 27 23:08:25 <Megatherium> HattCzech_work: Not as of yet, no. I'm buying a Pre off of a friend later today to replace an Android phone.
May 27 23:08:35 <Megatherium> I'll give it a spin then.
May 27 23:08:41 <HattCzech_work> very cool
May 27 23:09:02 <HattCzech_work> feel free to let me know of anything to improve
May 27 23:09:06 <pandora--> warpdesign: what app?
May 27 23:12:05 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign__: still there?
May 27 23:17:19 <HattCzech_work> pandora--: i guess we'll never know
May 27 23:17:47 * Megatherium shrugs.
May 27 23:17:47 <warpdesign__> HattCzech_work: yeah, trying to debug something, sorry, can't help for now
May 27 23:18:03 <HattCzech_work> okay, that's fine
May 27 23:18:19 <warpdesign__> HattCzech_work: it"s a waste because what the point of an app which isn't working ?
May 27 23:18:29 <warpdesign__> I have just worked hours for nothing..
May 27 23:19:58 <renegaid> who thinks palm will release another device before year end
May 27 23:20:33 * HattCzech_work raises his hand
May 27 23:20:51 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign__: you don't think there's a way to fix it?
May 27 23:21:04 <warpdesign__> without a phone, it's unlikely
May 27 23:21:16 <HattCzech_work> i'd be willing to help and try to troubleshoot if you'd like
May 27 23:21:31 <Megatherium> Yes, but not a phone. My guess is it'll be that HP tablet. Not sure if we'll see it under the HP or Palm name, though.
May 27 23:21:50 <renegaid> a tablet? I doubt that
May 27 23:22:04 <renegaid> webos does not have the apps for a tablet
May 27 23:22:14 <renegaid> there is no documenting editing
May 27 23:22:31 <HattCzech_work> i'd love to see a tablet (and soon), but yeah, support is currently lacking in that realm
May 27 23:22:58 <Megatherium> Well, I keep hearing about HP tablet this and HP tablet that. Then again, it could just be the blog rumor mill... I'm not paying much attention.
May 27 23:23:17 <renegaid> hp debunked it last I heard
May 27 23:23:26 <pandora--> yup
May 27 23:23:35 <pandora--> for october, they have debunked it
May 27 23:23:52 <Megatherium> Well, releasing a tablet based on Windows 7 is the height of folly.
May 27 23:23:58 <renegaid> wouldn't see one this year for sure
May 27 23:24:01 <rwhitby> yeah, seems the tech press have no idea about the length of hardware development lifecycles
May 27 23:24:35 <Megatherium> Perhaps they assumed it was HP taking over a planned Palm project that overlapped with their Slate product?
May 27 23:24:39 * Megatherium has no idea.
May 27 23:24:57 <warpdesign__> HattCzech_work: a little game
May 27 23:25:07 <renegaid> webos does not have the apps
May 27 23:25:35 <renegaid> I don't understand why almost a year there is no documenting editinh
May 27 23:26:06 <Megatherium> renegaid: Neither does Windows 7, nor Android, for that matter.
May 27 23:26:24 <renegaid> when I first got the pre they said it will be available soon. here we are a year later
May 27 23:26:46 <renegaid> android has no doc editing? are you sure?
May 27 23:27:48 <renegaid> http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/android
May 27 23:28:05 <Megatherium> No, no... I was responding to the "WebOS doesn't have the apps to make a viable tablet platform" comment.
May 27 23:28:23 <renegaid> oh
May 27 23:29:05 <rwhitby> for a tablet, just run the X server from WebOS Internals and openoffice :)
May 27 23:29:54 <renegaid> not a viable solution for the average customer
May 27 23:34:51 <rwhitby> agreed
May 27 23:35:25 <HattCzech_work> what would be an acceptable length for a device id? (based on the nduid)
May 27 23:35:38 <HattCzech_work> anyone have any thoughts on that?
May 27 23:37:13 <swisstomcat> aceptable length?
May 27 23:37:35 <HattCzech_work> yeah, the nduid is i think 40 chars?
May 27 23:37:45 <HattCzech_work> i made a device id... and i made it 24
May 27 23:38:33 <HattCzech_work> preader i think is 10
May 27 23:38:42 <swisstomcat> 3d69ef85210017d4b772389fc348ef03209f4103
May 27 23:38:46 <swisstomcat> here is a random one
May 27 23:40:52 <HattCzech_work> X9F510QMQKRZ38F30Z133M3P
May 27 23:40:57 <HattCzech_work> that would be the deviceid
May 27 23:41:04 <swisstomcat> doesn't look like one
May 27 23:41:14 <HattCzech_work> i calculated it
May 27 23:41:25 <HattCzech_work> based on the nduid you gave me
May 27 23:41:41 <swisstomcat> hmm?
May 27 23:41:52 <HattCzech_work> since we're "not supposed to use the nduid" for some odd reason
May 27 23:41:58 <swisstomcat> oh
May 27 23:42:05 <swisstomcat> you're doing a hash?
May 27 23:42:13 <HattCzech_work> kinda, yeah
May 27 23:42:22 <HattCzech_work> is there a function that i could call to do that?
May 27 23:42:28 <HattCzech_work> i wrote my own algorithm
May 27 23:43:01 <swisstomcat> not sure if they have hash-algos built in
May 27 23:43:13 <swisstomcat> md5 or sha or whatever
May 27 23:44:08 <HattCzech_work> well, if it does, i guess i could use that
May 27 23:44:29 <HattCzech_work> i just want a unique identifier for a device
May 27 23:44:44 <HattCzech_work> (i plan to use this as a method to remove ads for people that donate)
May 27 23:46:26 <HattCzech_work> anyway... i'm off... until tomorrow...
May 27 23:46:31 <HattCzech_work> adios all
May 27 23:47:24 <swisstomcat> adios
May 27 23:47:30 <swisstomcat> 1:47am
May 27 23:47:32 <swisstomcat> off to bed
May 27 23:51:46 <warpdesign__> HattCzech_away: still there ?
May 27 23:54:55 <pandora--> looks like nope
May 27 23:55:16 <pandora--> warpdesign: so what wasn't working on-device with your app?
May 28 00:21:37 <Bmyers> elvis has left the building
May 28 00:59:46 <BigBiff> this room is hoppin
May 28 01:00:19 <zsoc> we're all busy hacking away at the pdk
May 28 01:07:58 <renegaid> is the pdk suppose to bring something we have not already seen?
May 28 01:08:13 <zsoc> i hope that question is a joke
May 28 01:08:16 * zsoc goes back to his corner
May 28 01:08:34 <halfhalo> Are there cookies in that corner?
May 28 01:08:38 <renegaid> just wondering
May 28 01:09:06 <renegaid> I remember reading had a lot to do with porting games but what does it mean for apps
May 28 01:09:48 <zsoc> renegaid: in theory, we've gone from 'somewhat limited based on mojo and js' to 'anything you can do on a linux box'
May 28 01:10:36 <renegaid> sounds good then
May 28 01:10:53 <renegaid> they need to update webos first?
May 28 01:11:58 <ekpyr> can we create an app that is mojo-based, but depends on pdk apis?
May 28 01:12:13 <ekpyr> i.e. i write some barcode scanning algo in pdk
May 28 01:12:17 <ekpyr> but expose it in a mojo ap
May 28 01:12:52 <bpadalino> that's what i plan on doing interestingly enough
May 28 01:13:00 <Bmyers> hi Doc
May 28 01:13:16 <Bmyers> ( reality9110 )
May 28 01:14:25 <bpadalino> ekpyr: did you plan on using zxning ?
May 28 01:14:34 <bpadalino> zxing rather :(
May 28 01:14:52 <Bmyers> hows the world of advertising treating you lately ?
May 28 01:15:29 <ekpyr> not sure yet
May 28 01:15:32 <ekpyr> just asking
May 28 01:15:35 <ekpyr> there are other things i want to do
May 28 01:15:39 <ekpyr> the barcode was just an example
May 28 01:16:06 <bpadalino> ah yeah, i think with the current SDK/PDK it isn't really possible ..
May 28 01:16:20 <bpadalino> but i anticipate it will get better with later releases
May 28 01:16:56 <bpadalino> there is an API laid out .. but i am not sure how solid it is: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1990&Itemid=331
May 28 01:19:27 <ekpyr> ahh interesting
May 28 01:19:50 <ekpyr> it looks like it'll do what i need
May 28 01:19:51 <ekpyr> PDL_RegisterMojoHandler
May 28 01:19:59 <bpadalino> yeah, there are examples on the site too
May 28 01:20:23 <bpadalino> see: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2026&Itemid=393
May 28 01:21:01 <ekpyr> ahh, nice
May 28 01:37:24 <BigBiff> wow something is just wrecking my battery
May 28 02:12:54 <sugardave> HattCzech_away: why aren't we supposed to use nduid?
May 28 02:13:07 <sugardave> I thought that was the one we are supposed to use
May 28 02:13:10 * sugardave is confused now.
May 28 02:14:04 <bpadalino> depends what you're using it for
May 28 02:14:12 <bpadalino> nduid identifies a device, but nothing more
May 28 02:15:10 <sugardave> bpadalino: I just use it for counting installs, really
May 28 02:15:16 <sugardave> I don't use it for user info
May 28 02:15:20 <sugardave> I get it now :D
May 28 02:39:57 <rolsworth> i see there is a new irc client for the pre
May 28 02:40:16 <halfhalo> new?
May 28 02:40:55 <rolsworth> pound irc
May 28 02:41:05 <rolsworth> wirc gives too many problems
May 28 02:48:06 <rolsworth> this client does not work too well
May 28 02:50:39 * haeffb needs to learn how to dynamicall insert divs & widgets
May 28 02:55:03 * haeffb wonders how many Mormons own webOS devices: http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=com.appible.ldsscriptures
May 28 02:57:10 <pandora--> lol
May 28 02:58:15 <pandora--> http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=mobi.rtag.ihate411
May 28 02:58:23 <pandora--> better than i expected
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