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May 29 03:00:28 <reality9110> It's pretty easy in...Java...
May 29 03:00:44 <LoneStar99> so i assume it works similar, except now it mines for the most similar word and pops up search results
May 29 03:02:01 <LoneStar99> was reading some weeks ago, that voice recognition technolgy now is the same as almost 2002, like no breaktroughs in the technology
May 29 03:02:24 <reality9110> It's never really caught on
May 29 03:03:21 <LoneStar99> so I am assuming google is probably using 2002 tweaked code, which is out there some where
May 29 03:05:31 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: have thought about voice search, but can not come to a clear answer
May 29 03:06:45 <LoneStar99> on how it really works.
May 29 03:07:02 <Tibfib> There must be a downloadable API or an online service as reality9110 suggested. Every app that uses voice recognition can't have created their own software for it. :/
May 29 03:07:12 <LoneStar99> reality9110: how accurate is the google voice search on android?
May 29 03:07:21 <reality9110> Let me check
May 29 03:07:31 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: yeah exactly
May 29 03:07:51 <reality9110> Pretty darn accurate
May 29 03:08:25 <reality9110> yeah.  I just said, "Elvis Presley wore a skirt" and it got it.
May 29 03:09:09 <reality9110> The thing is, voice recognition is built into Java.
May 29 03:09:29 <reality9110> http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/speech/forDevelopers/jsapi-guide/Recognition.html
May 29 03:09:46 <Tibfib> :O
May 29 03:09:48 <reality9110> So the entire library is just already built into it
May 29 03:10:20 <LoneStar99> wow
May 29 03:10:33 <LoneStar99> does the pdk allow java plugins?
May 29 03:10:49 <LoneStar99> i sure there is c++ or c code that does the same
May 29 03:11:34 <reality9110> Yes.  There are c++ libraries for speech recognition
May 29 03:12:01 <reality9110> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Speech-Recognition-HOWTO.html
May 29 03:12:49 <LoneStar99> wow last revised in 2002
May 29 03:13:10 <Bmyers> i used a similar setup in an asterisk system
May 29 03:13:15 <reality9110> Just an FAQ.  Doesn't mean the libraries haven't been updated
May 29 03:14:54 <LoneStar99> reality9110:  thanks,
May 29 03:15:36 <LoneStar99> now is there a microphone api in webos?
May 29 03:15:42 <reality9110> hehe, no.
May 29 03:15:56 <Bmyers> pdk?
May 29 03:16:02 <reality9110> No
May 29 03:16:07 <Tibfib> no mic apis at all.
May 29 03:16:12 <LoneStar99> boo
May 29 03:16:12 <Tibfib> coming this fall though
May 29 03:16:25 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: how do you know that?
May 29 03:16:28 <Tibfib> (that's what palm says)
May 29 03:16:31 <Tibfib> they said it at dev day
May 29 03:16:44 <Bmyers> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=5766
May 29 03:16:47 <LoneStar99> oh ok cool
May 29 03:16:55 <LoneStar99> what linux does webos use anyone?
May 29 03:17:13 <LoneStar99> the closest distro to it?
May 29 03:17:30 <reality9110> LFS.  It's got to be a custom build
May 29 03:17:32 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/webos-get-mic-camera-api-faster-services-plenty-more-fall
May 29 03:20:00 <reality9110> I think a lot of people looked at the PDK as kind of a cure all for a lot of shortcomings of WebOS.  But, it's really not.
May 29 03:20:32 <rwhitby> reality9110: agreed, especially with the constraints that have been placed on acceptance of PDK apps into the app catalog.
May 29 03:20:33 <LoneStar99> reality9110: i think the PDK was catered more towards gaming development
May 29 03:20:39 <reality9110> Yes
May 29 03:21:25 <rwhitby> well, it's geared towards whatever makes the most money for Palm, and that currently is games.
May 29 03:21:43 <reality9110> You still have to work within the limitations of the OS itself.  For instance, audio is still all run through gstreamer.  So, with the PDK you could make an application like songbird, but you're still only going to be able to support whatever audio codecs that gstreamer already has installed.
May 29 03:21:45 <rwhitby> that's the responsibility of a public company to it's shareholders
May 29 03:21:52 <LoneStar99> if they allowed access to the microphone using the PDK, developers would make killer apps
May 29 03:22:32 <Tibfib> I'm just happy for HPalm. I'm ready for things to get done; ready for new apis
May 29 03:23:24 <reality9110> I'm ready for Java support.  Seriously.  That's what I want.
May 29 03:23:25 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: i agree
May 29 03:23:51 <reality9110> There are so many little things that java can tie together easily in a web application.
May 29 03:23:51 <LoneStar99> have mostly search apps, and they all suck cuss nothing cooler can be done with them
May 29 03:24:15 <LoneStar99> apps need more interactivity
May 29 03:24:24 <Tibfib> reality9110: java support isn't gonna happen. They are _removing_ java services support...
May 29 03:24:32 <reality9110> Yes, I know.
May 29 03:24:46 <Tibfib> just making sure :)
May 29 03:24:56 <reality9110> and I'm irritated by that.  I wrote a long email a few days ago about it.
May 29 03:25:41 <reality9110> If they would have furthered support for it, it would make porting of Android apps over to WebOS very easy for developers.
May 29 03:25:41 <rwhitby> reality9110: do a dummy spit like Jason did, you might get it extended even further
May 29 03:25:56 <Tibfib> hah!
May 29 03:26:30 <reality9110> I've gone off on them a few times.
May 29 03:26:50 <Tibfib> reading this http://www.precentral.net/webos-get-mic-camera-api-faster-services-plenty-more-fall makes me excited. lots of stuff I forgot about
May 29 03:27:04 <reality9110> One time, RadioTime got rejected because some station in the middle of BFE wasn't playing.  It was the only station they tested.
May 29 03:27:20 <reality9110> They sent it back saying, "Does not work."
May 29 03:28:46 <TheSavaLord> hi everyone
May 29 03:29:32 <TheSavaLord> hello haeffb
May 29 03:29:41 <LoneStar99> hello
May 29 03:29:51 <reality9110> And when I say BFE, I mean it.  Radio Free Asia Khmer.  http://www.rfa.org/khmer/  Can you read that website?
May 29 03:29:56 <TheSavaLord> what's new
May 29 03:30:41 <TheSavaLord> well I am going to have to be using VZW Navigator tomorrow
May 29 03:30:55 <haeffb_pre> hello
May 29 03:32:50 <LoneStar99> must admit, been in slacker with webos for about 2 months now
May 29 03:33:26 <reality9110> At least 2 months here
May 29 03:33:46 <TheSavaLord> I have that along with pandora and hibiki and so on
May 29 03:34:40 <halfhalo> monkey
May 29 03:34:51 <reality9110> TheSavaLord: Booooo.
May 29 03:35:03 <reality9110> TheSavaLord: RadioTime...where it's at.
May 29 03:35:05 <LoneStar99> reached a point not sure how to make the apps better with more interactivity and without making them free
May 29 03:35:18 <TheSavaLord> I have that also
May 29 03:35:34 <reality9110> TheSavaLord: Good.  Use it.  Click ads.  Make me money.
May 29 03:35:40 <TheSavaLord> I bought hibiki
May 29 03:35:57 <TheSavaLord> why not charge for it
May 29 03:36:08 <TheSavaLord> I would of bought it
May 29 03:36:16 <reality9110> Because charging for an application makes less money overall.
May 29 03:36:46 <Tibfib> not true. definitely depends on what the app does
May 29 03:36:47 <TheSavaLord> there I clicked on a link for you
May 29 03:36:53 <LoneStar99> had an app that was doing fairly well at a perfect rating, then it went down to 4.8 and 99% of sales where killed
May 29 03:37:15 <BigBiff> you make decent $ on the ads?
May 29 03:37:23 <haeffb_pre> all generalizations are false
May 29 03:37:28 <reality9110> Tibfib: What's the most downloaded paid application?
May 29 03:37:42 <Bmyers> i dunno if thats true haeffb_pre
May 29 03:37:44 <Tibfib> reality9110: check hot apps.
May 29 03:38:06 <reality9110> Yes, I know.  But it doesn't give the number of downloads.
May 29 03:38:10 <LoneStar99> the conclusion was that the app cat has some bugs, wrote to palm several times, and finally after about 2 months they may help the app out
May 29 03:38:24 <Tibfib> I'm just saying the ad-supported app model doesn't work for all apps. For an app like radio time, it is perfect.
May 29 03:38:33 <reality9110> Yeah
May 29 03:38:39 <Tibfib> For other apps, not so much
May 29 03:39:06 <LoneStar99> yeah reality9110, you still killing it with ad revenue?
May 29 03:39:15 <reality9110> Of course.
May 29 03:39:27 <LoneStar99> awesome, share the wealth
May 29 03:39:28 <LoneStar99> lol
May 29 03:39:36 <reality9110> I am...with RadioTime.
May 29 03:39:42 <LoneStar99> cool
May 29 03:40:12 <reality9110> It's around $600-$1000 a day
May 29 03:40:18 <LoneStar99> lol
May 29 03:40:22 <LoneStar99> awesome
May 29 03:40:41 <TheSavaLord> cool
May 29 03:40:48 <reality9110> It'll be a lot higher when the Android version gets switched from paid to ad supported.
May 29 03:40:57 <LoneStar99> have 4 apps, and have make $750 since january
May 29 03:41:22 <reality9110> Money is money
May 29 03:41:26 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 29 03:41:29 <LoneStar99> true
May 29 03:41:46 <reality9110> First few months were slow as I was getting everything going.
May 29 03:41:58 <reality9110> First month was only like $1000 total
May 29 03:42:05 <Tibfib> yes but a lot of money is a lot of money... >.<
May 29 03:42:13 <reality9110> I kept telling the boss man... "Just wait...trust me on this."
May 29 03:42:17 <TheSavaLord> radiotime doesn't have one of the major radio stations in tampa fl
May 29 03:42:18 <BigBiff> reality9110: ur serious?
May 29 03:42:29 <reality9110> BigBiff: Yes
May 29 03:42:33 <reality9110> TheSavaLord: Which one?
May 29 03:42:55 <TheSavaLord> 97.9 aka 98 rock
May 29 03:43:07 <haeffb_pre> radiotime doesn't have the station I want
May 29 03:43:18 <reality9110> TheSavaLord: Clear Channel station.
May 29 03:43:37 <reality9110> TheSavaLord: We have a stream for it, but Clear Channel won't let us stream it to mobile devices because of licensing.
May 29 03:43:43 <TheSavaLord> yeah probably legal issues
May 29 03:43:56 <TheSavaLord> that sucks
May 29 03:44:05 <reality9110> It's not like they're playing anything that isn't on 10000 other similar stations.
May 29 03:44:12 <reality9110> haeffb_pre: Which one?
May 29 03:44:36 <haeffb_pre> whb810 kansas city
May 29 03:44:51 <haeffb_pre> wma stream
May 29 03:44:51 <TheSavaLord> clear channel is a bunch of money grubbing misfits
May 29 03:45:33 <TheSavaLord> who does slacker
May 29 03:45:58 <reality9110> Yeah, damn WMA streams are a pisser
May 29 03:46:30 * haeffb_pre trying to decide whether to keep these nav arrows on my notification dashboard
May 29 03:47:23 <haeffb_pre> they take a lot of space
May 29 03:47:44 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: you have a screenshot?
May 29 03:47:45 <Tibfib> haeffb: pic?
May 29 03:48:24 <SavaLord> slacker doesn't have a power metal catagory
May 29 03:48:38 <SavaLord> hi OIL
May 29 03:48:56 <reality9110> SavaLord: I'll actually be in Tampa this coming month
May 29 03:49:13 <SavaLord> cool lived here all my life
May 29 03:49:34 <haeffb> http://img155.imageshack.us/i/capturevu.png/
May 29 03:49:47 <reality9110> I'll hopefully be signing my papers for my professorship over at Moffitt
May 29 03:49:51 <Tibfib> that is a _lot_ of space
May 29 03:50:03 <SavaLord> we do have 2 of the most outspoken DJs
May 29 03:50:08 <Tibfib> do submenus work in dashboards?
May 29 03:50:18 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre:  looks good keep them
May 29 03:50:41 <haeffb_pre> have to be big enuf to tap
May 29 03:50:42 <SavaLord> Bubba and Cowhead lol
May 29 03:51:03 <haeffb_pre> Tibfib: good ?
May 29 03:51:15 <reality9110> haeffb: You need better arrows though
May 29 03:51:25 <Tibfib> haeffb: what reality9110 said. otherwise it is good
May 29 03:51:31 <haeffb_pre> well, yeah
May 29 03:51:41 * Tibfib will prolly implement something similar for his chat notifications
May 29 03:52:15 <LoneStar99> yeah better arrows
May 29 03:52:17 <haeffb_pre> those
May 29 03:52:29 <TheSavaLord> What the hell is Party metal
May 29 03:52:41 <haeffb_pre> are just > stretched out
May 29 03:52:53 <reality9110> haeffb_pre: Use photoshop and select an arrow from the custom shapes thing
May 29 03:53:11 <haeffb_pre> no have ps
May 29 03:53:18 <reality9110> Download it
May 29 03:53:27 <reality9110> It has a free trial
May 29 03:53:49 <haeffb_pre> and it's like 500GB
May 29 03:53:52 <TheSavaLord> who ever does Slacker need to learn about catagories
May 29 03:53:55 <reality9110> No it's not
May 29 03:54:24 <BigBiff> ps is pretty big...
May 29 03:54:37 <reality9110> 35.2 mb
May 29 03:54:48 * haeffb_pre exaggerates sometimes
May 29 03:54:54 <reality9110> Just a little.
May 29 03:55:06 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: unless u move up the arrow in a 85% transparentcy in between the + and reload botton
May 29 03:55:17 <LoneStar99> arrow = arrowa
May 29 03:55:21 <LoneStar99> arrows
May 29 03:55:31 <reality9110> Wait... 329 mb
May 29 03:55:37 <reality9110> Still, worth it.
May 29 03:55:43 <haeffb_pre> have paint.net
May 29 03:55:45 <BigBiff> I wouldn't dld on ur tethered PrimerFender ;-)
May 29 03:55:56 <Tibfib> haeffb: you could use the line tool in paint.net
May 29 03:56:04 <BigBiff> primer fender?
May 29 03:56:13 <BigBiff> wtf
May 29 03:56:26 <haeffb_pre> I could do all kind o' things in paint.net
May 29 03:56:42 <Tibfib> lol
May 29 03:57:32 <BigBiff> wow irc tough on a battery
May 29 03:57:54 <TheSavaLord> have the lag meter on
May 29 03:58:01 <haeffb_pre> but the real question is whether they're worth the space
May 29 03:58:10 <Tibfib> yes
May 29 03:58:18 <bsiegel> Question for the app developers in here: would any of you find app. analytics (like flurry) useful in webos? I am considering doing something in that realm.
May 29 04:00:19 <haeffb_pre> tap arrows cycle through task, tap icon open app, tap task open to task edit
May 29 04:00:25 <LoneStar99> bsiegel: like google analytics?
May 29 04:01:52 <bsiegel> LoneStar99: of a sort, but for tracking application use - stability, time in session, feature use, system profile, performance counters, exception reporting, etc
May 29 04:03:46 <Roy-Pre101> bsiegel: wait a bit, I think we'll have a big announcement soon about something along those lines.
May 29 04:04:02 <LoneStar99> bsiegel: yeah it would be cool
May 29 04:05:16 <bsiegel> Roy-Pre101: My company makes a product for tracking these sorts of things in .NET apps (we're integrated with CodePlex, for example, to provide app. analytics to open source projects hosted there). I am considering using some free time to make a webos API.
May 29 04:05:37 <Roy-Pre101> Go for it, then.  Sounds useful to me.
May 29 04:06:23 <bsiegel> I'm doing preliminary api planning here, comments are welcome: http://bitbucket.org/bsiegel/ri-webos/wiki/Home
May 29 04:06:36 <Roy-Pre101> Anyonegot a second
May 29 04:06:39 <Roy-Pre101> urp.
May 29 04:06:53 <TheSavaLord> 1 lol
May 29 04:06:58 <bsiegel> sure, whatcha need?
May 29 04:07:35 <Roy-Pre101> can someone visit webos101.com (ignore the main page that's in a state of flux), visit your user preferences and select the GuMax skin and see if you like it better than default.
May 29 04:08:22 <TheSavaLord> ok
May 29 04:08:36 <Roy-Pre101> going to delete that colored table.  It's incomplete and Jen can recover it from the history.
May 29 04:08:59 * rwhitby looks at bsiegel's page, and realises that I know nothing about anything he is talking about on that page :)
May 29 04:09:43 <rwhitby> bsiegel: got a primer on "Runtime Intelligence" ?
May 29 04:10:58 <LoneStar99> my opinion is this, some good knowledge in webos development will be bought by HP
May 29 04:11:42 <bsiegel> rwhitby: you "tag" functional areas of your code with different types of tags to get visibility into how it is being used
May 29 04:11:47 <LoneStar99> for example what rwhitby is doing is a canidate for such a by
May 29 04:11:51 <bsiegel> rwhitby: sure, technical or conceptual?
May 29 04:11:51 <LoneStar99> by = buy
May 29 04:11:54 <TheSavaLord> you mean from the homebrew
May 29 04:12:24 <Roy-Pre101> bsiegel: Looks very interesting
May 29 04:12:24 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: what are HP going to buy from me?
May 29 04:13:04 <rwhitby> bsiegel: that one sentence was enough, thanks.
May 29 04:14:06 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: perhaps, your group is what made Palm to release a PDK
May 29 04:14:12 <bsiegel> you can see some screenshots of how that data is surfaced at the bottom of this page: http://runtimeintelligence.codeplex.com (ignore the Visual Studio stuff unless you care :p )
May 29 04:14:55 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: I have no illusions about the miniscule place of homebrew in Palm's marketing and engineering plans.
May 29 04:15:34 <rwhitby> They love homebrew, but very few decisions are made as a response to homebrew unless it was easy to do it that way anyway.
May 29 04:16:09 <rwhitby> (At least that how it seems from the outside, the reality could be different of course)
May 29 04:16:24 <bsiegel> Roy-Pre101: I think it's a bit better than the default.
May 29 04:16:29 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: it is not about what is about there it is about the knowledge that is there
May 29 04:16:40 <Tibfib> lol @palm is following the fake bp pr account
May 29 04:16:49 <TheSavaLord> at least they don't have it closed like apple
May 29 04:17:38 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: you group has some great knowledge that is all i can say
May 29 04:17:40 <rwhitby> TheSavaLord: right, but that was a decision made months before webos-internals was started - a strategic direction that was already in place, not a response to homebrew.
May 29 04:18:08 <Roy-Pre101> bsiegel: Thanks, I think it might work.  And it leaves the sides free to add some images or something.
May 29 04:18:27 <Roy-Pre101> Usually I don't like width limited layouts.
May 29 04:18:29 <rwhitby> TheSavaLord: and if that strategic decision had been made differently by Palm (or if it changes in the future), then WebOS Internals would probably cease to exist
May 29 04:19:13 <TheSavaLord> the way I see it is internals is a part of homebrew but just a smal part
May 29 04:19:25 <rwhitby> yep
May 29 04:19:49 <rwhitby> there are almost 1000 homebrew apps not done by webos internals :)
May 29 04:20:08 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: But how many are distributed through Preware?
May 29 04:20:25 <Roy-Pre101> And how many were made before Palm opened up the App  Catalog and the Beta/Web feeds?
May 29 04:20:31 <TheSavaLord> 1000s
May 29 04:20:44 <LoneStar99> the way I see is that BP is not at fault wholly , it is all the companies that do everything the same and have no answers to the same problem.
May 29 04:21:16 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: the answer to both questions is "most of them"
May 29 04:21:24 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: you win the non sequitur award.
May 29 04:21:44 <TheSavaLord> well webos quick install is probably the most used and it's not done by Internals
May 29 04:21:55 <Tibfib> rwhitby: have you guys thought about when you are going to introduce a paid app/patch/theme model to preware?
May 29 04:22:37 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101:  thanks, have the BP feed showing, that is why
May 29 04:22:50 <Tibfib> err... hmm. Forgot about the stupid dev agreement language.
May 29 04:23:00 <Tibfib> You can't sell a webos app outside the catalog
May 29 04:23:35 <rwhitby> Tibfib: payment open up a whole can of worms that I'm not interest in getting into, unless it can guarantee me at least 6 figures of return ;)
May 29 04:23:44 <Roy-Pre101> TheSavaLord: I would dispute that.  WOSQI is mainly a way to install Preware.  Nothing against WOSQI but I don't like to have to use the PC to install stuff.
May 29 04:24:21 <Roy-Pre101> Speaking of which, are we going to get a stand-alone installer for Preware again?
May 29 04:24:38 <TheSavaLord> true but you still need to use it to install preware the first time
May 29 04:24:40 <Tibfib> rwhitby: heh, fair enough
May 29 04:24:49 <rwhitby> TheSavaLord: actually, we have web server logs which show that installs through WOSQI are about 1/10th the volume of installs through Preware
May 29 04:25:01 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: installers for 1.1.0 are up now
May 29 04:25:05 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: want to test them for us?
May 29 04:25:49 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Hmm, maybe!  I already have it installed but I will uninstall to test, for sure.
May 29 04:25:51 <TheSavaLord> pc installers
May 29 04:26:03 <rwhitby> TheSavaLord: and you don't need WOSQI to install Preware.  You can use exclusively official Palm tools to install Preware now.
May 29 04:26:31 <rwhitby> Install the SDK, run palm-install on the preware ipkg, done.
May 29 04:26:43 <TheSavaLord> I would test it if I can install from the pre
May 29 04:27:12 <rwhitby> If the novacom drivers were released by Palm in a form that was redistributable, installing Preware could be made a million times easier.
May 29 04:27:36 <halfhalo> IIRC I thought they were being Open sourced?
May 29 04:27:38 <TheSavaLord> I have no PC at home
May 29 04:28:34 <rwhitby> TheSavaLord: there is, and will never be, a way to install Preware over the air from a virgin webOS device.  To enable such would be a security vulnerabilty and liability that Palm would plug immediately (as they did previously with the email install vulnerability)
May 29 04:29:03 <TheSavaLord> ok
May 29 04:29:45 <rwhitby> Palm's security model separates devices into two groups: 1) Those that have never had developer mode activated and 2) those that have developer mode and side-loading of apps
May 29 04:29:56 <halfhalo> as it should be
May 29 04:30:10 <Roy-Pre101> OK, is webos101.com switched to the new theme?  please flush cache.
May 29 04:30:14 <rwhitby> There is a bright line of security between the two groups which can never be crossed by a pure OTA operation
May 29 04:30:53 <TheSavaLord> is it ok that I tend to keep my pre in developer mode
May 29 04:31:26 <Roy-Pre101> TheSavaLord: Yes.
May 29 04:31:30 <BigBiff> TheSavaLord: yes, it allows me to hear your conversations
May 29 04:31:45 <BigBiff> ;-0
May 29 04:31:51 <TheSavaLord> cool
May 29 04:32:06 <rwhitby> and allows me to control your device remotely
May 29 04:32:12 <TheSavaLord> you like the phonesex I have lol
May 29 04:33:04 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, the new theme disables my wiki editing browser plugin.
May 29 04:33:50 <Roy-Pre101> I may change the theme back until I understand more about how to style it.
May 29 04:33:53 <TheSavaLord> anyone play around with the 3d bevels greyscale theme
May 29 04:34:01 <BigBiff> i hate when my wiki gets disabled
May 29 04:34:15 <BigBiff> you know they make a pill for that?
May 29 04:34:33 <TheSavaLord> is it the red pill
May 29 04:36:31 <BigBiff> indeed
May 29 04:39:23 <PuffTheMagic> how close to monterey is palms hq?
May 29 04:41:42 <TheSavaLord> bbl
May 29 04:50:58 <rolsworth> no news on a new device
May 29 05:00:26 <TheSavaLord> back
May 29 05:07:30 <rolsworth> no news on a new device
May 29 05:07:56 <TheSavaLord> lol why would there be
May 29 05:08:35 <rolsworth> been a year since the pre launched on sprint
May 29 05:09:11 <TheSavaLord> yeah but they are in the middlw of a buyout by HP
May 29 05:09:57 <TheSavaLord> most likely they are waiting till the deal is done
May 29 05:10:03 <rolsworth> at least a hint that a new device is in the works would do
May 29 05:10:45 <TheSavaLord> well there is the pre+
May 29 05:11:44 <rolsworth> hmm. i would not upgrade to a pre plus
May 29 05:12:11 <TheSavaLord> and with ATT it's a gsm with data/voice at same time
May 29 05:12:46 <LoneStar99> recon was successful
May 29 05:13:02 <TheSavaLord> I have the vzw and I have never ever gotten a two many cards open error
May 29 05:14:02 <LoneStar99> have read that android has more market share than iphone, atleast in the US
May 29 05:14:35 <TheSavaLord> 512mb 16gig space
May 29 05:15:09 <LoneStar99> and also read the apple's valuation is higher than microsoft for the time ever
May 29 05:15:19 <rolsworth> that market share only counts the current gen iphone
May 29 05:15:44 <rolsworth> u an sure there are people still using previous versions of the phone
May 29 05:16:18 <TheSavaLord> yeah like my boss and his with have the older ones
May 29 05:16:18 <rolsworth> i am sure
May 29 05:16:30 <LoneStar99> honestly think that apple is brilliant, so is microsoft, they do not have webos
May 29 05:16:55 <LoneStar99> webos is the most brilliant operating system ever made for a mobile
May 29 05:17:16 <rolsworth> aooke knows how to market their products but i don't think the iphone is good as a smart phone
May 29 05:17:33 <rolsworth> it has one of the worse notifications i have ever seen
May 29 05:17:55 <LoneStar99> iphone is the what ever smartphone wants
May 29 05:17:56 <rolsworth> apple knows how to market
May 29 05:18:18 <TheSavaLord> I never liked the iphone
May 29 05:18:44 <TheSavaLord> never ever considered getting one
May 29 05:18:57 <LoneStar99> back in 1993 apple was gonna fail for bankrupcy
May 29 05:19:14 <LoneStar99> microsoft gave apple life support
May 29 05:20:09 <TheSavaLord> I remember that
May 29 05:20:21 <TheSavaLord> an influx of cash
May 29 05:20:35 <LoneStar99> like 600m back then
May 29 05:20:57 <rolsworth> apple took off with that ipod
May 29 05:21:13 <LoneStar99> yeap, and the macbooks
May 29 05:21:16 <rolsworth> people believed if you wanted an mp3 player you needed an ipod
May 29 05:21:19 <TheSavaLord> I never owned an ipod either
May 29 05:21:34 <rolsworth> ipods mostly. it sold so many millions all over the world
May 29 05:21:37 <LoneStar99> i gave away my ipod touch
May 29 05:22:16 <TheSavaLord> I thought about getting an ipod touch until I saw how much it cost
May 29 05:23:23 <TheSavaLord> way overpriced
May 29 05:23:28 <LoneStar99> the best thing that happened for palm is HP. HP was a joke back in the day, but now they are more powerful than any computer company
May 29 05:23:56 <LoneStar99> paid 299 for the ipod back then
May 29 05:24:12 <LoneStar99> do not regret giving it away
May 29 05:24:24 <TheSavaLord> and how much they cost now
May 29 05:24:31 <rolsworth> if it wasn't for the zune it would have still cost 400
May 29 05:24:51 <LoneStar99> they are giving them free if you buy a mac
May 29 05:24:57 <rolsworth> as soon as MS announced zune prices they dropped the price
May 29 05:25:14 <LoneStar99> i think zune is kinda died
May 29 05:25:25 <rolsworth> yea
May 29 05:25:43 <rolsworth> MS is always late to the game
May 29 05:25:59 <TheSavaLord> but why would I want a mac
May 29 05:26:17 <rolsworth> it's shiny
May 29 05:26:27 <LoneStar99> kinda, but MS has so many resourses to be late and still kill any market
May 29 05:26:48 <rolsworth> didn;t work with zune
May 29 05:26:52 <TheSavaLord> I would build my own custom shiny system
May 29 05:27:04 <rolsworth> the first xbox lost a ton of money
May 29 05:27:24 <LoneStar99> the only 2 companies that keep MS awake are Google and Apple
May 29 05:27:38 <LoneStar99> and Oracle
May 29 05:28:09 <LoneStar99> at one time IBM
May 29 05:28:41 <LoneStar99> But then again IBM is huge
May 29 05:28:57 <TheSavaLord> I remember when apple competed with atari and commodore
May 29 05:29:14 <LoneStar99> IBM has a battle with Oracle
May 29 05:29:22 <TheSavaLord> and atari and commodore had better systems
May 29 05:29:33 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 29 05:30:49 <TheSavaLord> I mis my MegaSTe and I wanted a Falcon/030 so bad.
May 29 05:32:07 <TheSavaLord> they still sell on ebay for a pretty penny
May 29 05:32:30 <LoneStar99> how much?
May 29 05:32:35 <TheSavaLord> mega stes go for like 400 and falcons go for like 600
May 29 05:32:49 <TheSavaLord> when they are on
May 29 05:33:09 <LoneStar99> damn
May 29 05:34:00 <TheSavaLord> yeah my boss got a falcon in a storage auction and it went for a pretty penny
May 29 05:34:22 <LoneStar99> palm used to own the mobile market
May 29 05:34:52 <TheSavaLord> palm killed BeOS
May 29 05:35:15 <LoneStar99> they bought beos
May 29 05:35:40 <TheSavaLord> they bought it then dismantled it
May 29 05:36:16 <TheSavaLord> but that was when they were under 3com
May 29 05:36:42 <LoneStar99> i think beos is webos
May 29 05:36:59 <LoneStar99> but for a mobile
May 29 05:37:09 <TheSavaLord> yeah I see simularities
May 29 05:37:20 <LoneStar99> it is for sure
May 29 05:37:28 <LoneStar99> multitasking
May 29 05:38:51 <TheSavaLord> just look at the launcer dop menu and then the top bar menu
May 29 05:39:00 <TheSavaLord> drop menu
May 29 05:39:18 <TheSavaLord> and apps drop menu
May 29 05:42:23 <LoneStar99> are they beos?
May 29 05:43:29 <LoneStar99> back in the day the most brilliant computers where made by Gateway
May 29 05:45:31 <LoneStar99> TheSavaLord:  some months ago had an interview with some folks, was flown in.  at the end was told that my skills where not up to par.
May 29 05:45:35 <JenP> hi all!
May 29 05:46:19 <TheSavaLord> hi jen
May 29 05:46:32 <TheSavaLord> ur interviewing skills
May 29 05:46:53 <LoneStar99> It was a very confusing time in my life, but was not not up 2 par
May 29 05:48:13 <LoneStar99> never was scared, but was but in a bad situation
May 29 05:48:35 <TheSavaLord> it happens
May 29 05:48:39 <JenP> huh LoneStar99 maybe this conversation should be over PM
May 29 05:49:08 <LoneStar99> the conversation is over lost talent
May 29 05:49:24 <LoneStar99> and great businesses
May 29 05:49:41 <TheSavaLord> I almost got into CADD
May 29 05:50:36 <LoneStar99> i know what cad is but but is cadd?
May 29 05:51:24 <TheSavaLord> same long form. computer aided drafting & design
May 29 05:51:55 <LoneStar99> but what is the added D
May 29 05:52:04 <TheSavaLord> design
May 29 05:53:03 <TheSavaLord> there is a difference in drafting and design
May 29 05:53:04 <LoneStar99> Computer Aided Design + more Design
May 29 05:53:19 <TheSavaLord> drafting and design
May 29 05:54:27 <LoneStar99> it is what it is if you can draft you can design
May 29 05:55:02 <TheSavaLord> some people can draft but not design
May 29 05:55:23 <TheSavaLord> designers are the ones that show up and fix issues
May 29 05:56:11 <LoneStar99> the drafters have design in their mind
May 29 05:56:11 <TheSavaLord> more or less designers can draft but drafters can't design
May 29 05:56:56 <TheSavaLord> there are just different levels
May 29 05:57:30 <TheSavaLord> some can be better at fixing drafts then actually doing the draft itself
May 29 05:58:22 <LoneStar99> yeah agreed, but one that sees the initial design can see the art
May 29 06:00:00 <LoneStar99> read that the brilliant man that made WebOS left Palm, and he went to work for Google
May 29 06:00:58 <LoneStar99> just like a week ago
May 29 06:01:07 <TheSavaLord> did he only do the calendar
May 29 06:01:55 <LoneStar99> he was one of the main dudes that built it
May 29 06:01:57 <Tibfib> TheSavaLord: I don't think so. He was pres of user interface or something liek that
May 29 06:02:26 <LoneStar99> give me 5 minutes
May 29 06:02:40 <TheSavaLord> lonestar back when it was more or les started most people used the acronym cadd
May 29 06:04:43 <LoneStar99> http://uoid.me/cnet13
May 29 06:05:48 <LoneStar99> the way i see it google is now scared that HP bought Palm, and they need trade secrets
May 29 06:06:01 <halfhalo> Yay secrets!
May 29 06:06:24 <TheSavaLord> doesn't nda come into effect
May 29 06:06:34 <LoneStar99> not sure
May 29 06:06:36 <halfhalo> Yup
May 29 06:06:39 <TheSavaLord> and non compete clauses
May 29 06:06:43 <halfhalo> Until $ comes into effect
May 29 06:06:49 <LoneStar99> NDA is all crap
May 29 06:07:43 <TheSavaLord> I have seen where people left Ms. or apple and went to another company and get sued
May 29 06:08:16 <LoneStar99> yeah, they do do, but who are you suing?
May 29 06:09:04 <TheSavaLord> the person who left and the company who lured them away
May 29 06:09:13 <LoneStar99> webos is the mobile system out there
May 29 06:10:23 <LoneStar99> webos is the best operating system out there and they are scared
May 29 06:11:27 <TheSavaLord> or they just want a better UI
May 29 06:14:26 <LoneStar99> they want what they can get
May 29 06:18:26 <TheSavaLord> well I am heading to bed goodnight
May 29 06:26:42 <LoneStar99> JenP: thank for everything, but at the end we all lost You all never gave me a chance
May 29 06:32:30 <LoneStar99> Jenp: we wil never be friends and I agree.and just the way life goes.
May 29 07:36:39 <swisstomcat> morning
May 29 08:11:40 <photon70> Street Fighter II running, full screen, on Palm Pre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTPk6_H_IBw
May 29 08:44:14 <HotDP> Someone who can give som button help?
May 29 09:23:29 <HotDP> How do i get blackbuttons? And not the. std grey? not talking about changeing color but class?
May 29 12:41:23 <Bmyers> hey haeffb u up yet?
May 29 12:55:32 <haeffb> whats up?
May 29 13:12:43 <Bmyers> haeffb: was just saying hello. going boating this weekend?
May 29 13:14:46 <haeffb> soon as the wife gets up.
May 29 13:14:54 <haeffb> which could be hours... :)
May 29 13:32:46 <Bmyers> well have fun out there. not a good weather day here for boating but maybe for tomorrow
May 29 13:34:05 <haeffb> mid-80. slight breeze. beautiful day in MO
May 29 13:37:02 <haeffb> swisstomcat: ping
May 29 14:30:43 <twbbas> http://pastebin.com/rWin8KtS I keep getting that error message now and it just randomly started happening. The assistant IS defined in the sources.json file. Anyone have any ideas as to fixing this? It's kind of annoying that it just started happening out of the blue.
May 29 14:33:30 <haeffb> Probably caused by a typo somewhere in the assistant.js that prevents the parser from making it thru
May 29 14:39:19 <twbbas> hmm
May 29 15:02:43 <twbbas> Hey haeffb, I isolated the problem to be in this chunk of code: http://pastebin.com/cYWmZn68
May 29 15:02:51 <twbbas> I can't find anything wrong, can you look please?
May 29 15:05:29 <haeffb> comma at the end of line 21
May 29 15:05:41 <haeffb> http://www.jslint.com
May 29 15:05:48 <twbbas> oh wow
May 29 15:05:56 <twbbas> such a simple thing
May 29 15:05:56 <twbbas> lol
May 29 15:05:58 <twbbas> thanks
May 29 15:06:13 <haeffb> are us using eclipse?
May 29 15:06:13 <twbbas> I know how that caused problems
May 29 15:06:20 <twbbas> It's because I had code after that comma and I deleted it
May 29 15:06:22 <twbbas> no, ares
May 29 15:06:42 <haeffb> ok. jslint can be used to find (all kinds of) errrors in code.
May 29 15:07:13 <twbbas> oh wow
May 29 15:07:17 <twbbas> I never knew what that button did in ares
May 29 15:07:25 <twbbas> lol I re-added the comma and it found it perfect :D
May 29 15:07:27 <twbbas> Thanks!
May 29 15:49:19 <photon70> guys; how can I change the color of a button
May 29 15:50:14 <haeffb> CSS & images
May 29 15:52:43 <photon70> Any example out there?
May 29 15:53:22 <haeffb> you might try http://webos101.com
May 29 15:54:11 <haeffb> otherwise look at uiwidgets & stylematters sample apps and the stylesheets & images directory in the SDK
May 29 15:56:38 <Tibfib> is this.controller.stageController.topScene() right for calling in a scene-assistant in a multi-stage app?
May 29 15:58:02 <Tibfib> I need to see what assistant is currently open when a function gets called.
May 29 15:59:07 <photon70> thnx
May 29 15:59:39 <Tibfib> photon70: also check out w3schools.com they've got stuff on the DOM which is most likely what you need
May 29 16:00:30 <haeffb> activeScene() ?
May 29 16:01:28 <Tibfib> I can't get either of em to show up in the logs so I don't know if they are even being called.
May 29 16:02:19 <Tibfib> What would it return? "MainAssistant" and such?
May 29 16:02:31 <haeffb> well....
May 29 16:02:33 <Tibfib> or just the scene name.
May 29 16:02:46 <haeffb> is this.controller defined when you call it?
May 29 16:03:29 <haeffb> you might need to go the Mojo.Controller.getAppController()... route
May 29 16:04:02 <Tibfib> yeah, it's called in a scene assistant. I have the function set to interval in one scene and I need to see what scene assistant the function goes off in to change what happens in the function
May 29 16:04:21 <Tibfib> haeffb: but it's a stage controller function?
May 29 16:04:49 <haeffb> this.sceneName ?
May 29 16:04:59 <Tibfib> so add getStageController() to getAppController()?
May 29 16:05:27 <haeffb> this.controller.stageController.activeScene().sceneName
May 29 16:05:39 <haeffb> I've used that successfully
May 29 16:05:48 <haeffb> but this.sceneName may give the same thing.
May 29 16:07:29 <Tibfib> sceneName comes up undefined
May 29 16:07:57 <Tibfib> using it in the setup of my app.
May 29 16:08:04 <Tibfib> (just to test it)
May 29 16:08:10 <Tibfib> setup of my SCENE
May 29 16:25:23 <twbbas> this.controller.get(this.largeSpinner1).mojo.stop(); Is that the right way to stop a large spinner using ares?
May 29 16:30:08 <twbbas> nvm found the problem
May 29 17:17:24 <twbbas> Does anyone know how to make a row highlight on top in ares? I can't find it anywhere
May 29 17:20:34 <twbbas> the "rowTapHighlight" setting isn't working
May 29 17:50:02 <sugardave> haeffb: if TibFib comes back, I think it's Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().activeScene()
May 29 20:31:03 <Roy-Pre101> ping
May 29 20:34:17 <sugardave> pong?
May 29 20:36:10 <twbbas> I've searched on google and the sample code and I can't find the answer. How can I get the value (or position) of an item in a list when a user taps on it. I already have the on tap event but I just can't find out how to get the data using ares.
May 29 20:41:36 <twbbas> Ugh, gotta run. See you guys later
May 29 20:43:18 <Roy-Pre101> twbbas: It's in the event.
May 29 20:43:27 <Roy-Pre101> See the list sample on webos101.com
May 29 20:43:34 <Roy-Pre101> See the list sample on webos101.com/List
May 29 20:44:02 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Check out the new theme I installed on webos101.com (have to go to preferences and preview gumax).
May 29 20:48:18 <zsoc> sugardave: hey, let me know if you still need help getting the pdk to work on linux
May 29 20:48:48 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: will do
May 29 20:49:01 <sugardave> zsoc: absolutely going to need help on that...but today is bad for me :D
May 29 20:49:18 <zsoc> sugardave: ok, it's actually two simple steps if you're just trying to compile your own stuff. widk isn't even necessary :)
May 29 20:50:12 <sugardave> that's more like it....then I can poke around with the actual learning of the language
May 29 20:50:52 <zsoc> the language? C in general? Or SDL and PDL apis?
May 29 20:51:21 <sugardave> C, how to write with libraries, etc....I'm a total n00b
May 29 20:51:37 <sugardave> like completely new
May 29 20:51:59 <sugardave> I may have written a hello world in c++ before, but it's been so long I can't remember it
May 29 20:52:14 <bpadalino> adventurous
May 29 20:52:20 <sugardave> indeed :D
May 29 20:53:02 <sugardave> so basically I just need to know how to write some code and compile it and how to run it on the emu/phone
May 29 20:53:22 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: looking really nice
May 29 20:54:37 <sugardave> it may be my desktop settings, but the font size in <code> blocks is a little small
May 29 20:54:45 <zsoc> I guess I should make a 'PDK + SDL = PDK Hello World in Linux' tutorial
May 29 20:54:58 <sugardave> zsoc: that would be awesome
May 29 20:58:03 <bpadalino> sounds like a fun saturday evening
May 29 21:51:25 * Tibfib is getting excited. Mojo Messenger is just about ready for beta testing
May 29 21:51:54 <zsoc> Tibfib: is it jabber based?
May 29 21:51:55 <Tibfib> anyone want to join in?
May 29 21:52:01 <zsoc> Tibfib: yeah toss it this way
May 29 21:52:04 <Tibfib> zsoc: nope, my own magic mixture
May 29 21:52:08 <zsoc> cool
May 29 21:53:53 <jettero> looking for a way to add the x-mojo-tap-highlight="momentary" effect to arbitrary html elements...
May 29 21:54:44 <reality9110> jettero: I don't think you can. But you can add similar effects with just html
May 29 21:55:28 <Tibfib> isn't there some magic with the "selected" class?
May 29 21:56:31 <Tibfib> like when you click on an element, the "selected" class is added to it.
May 29 21:56:39 <Tibfib> click = tap
May 29 21:58:35 <jettero> tapping adds selected to the tapped element?
May 29 21:58:53 <jettero> I was goign to add a prototype observe and toggleClass, but I was hoping for a way to make mojo do it for me
May 29 21:59:06 <Tibfib> jettero: that's what I heard. Not sure if its true.
May 29 21:59:40 <Tibfib> I know that's how (some) widgets work. I don't know if it happens for all elements
May 29 21:59:41 <jettero> I'm sure if I spend 5 hours source diving I could figure out how they attach their x-mojo-tap-highlight effects and emulate/simulate it
May 29 22:00:02 <jettero> well, it's not a widget... it's a <li> from some web page slurped over ajax
May 29 22:00:19 <jettero> by the time it gets shown, mojo nolonger cares about widgets at all
May 29 22:00:19 <Tibfib> you could use the palm inspector to see the html and if the .selected class is added
May 29 22:00:31 <jettero> what is the palm inspector?
May 29 22:00:38 <Tibfib> check the sdk
May 29 22:00:42 <jettero> hrm
May 29 22:00:47 <Tibfib> lets you look at html + css of your app
May 29 22:03:36 <jettero> coolness.. I gota get that working.  Presently it dies on missing libenchant.so.1, even though it's there. Seems it's for the wrong elf class
May 29 22:03:40 <jettero> pfft, recompiling
May 29 22:06:01 <jettero> in an arch dep environment like ubuntu, should I really end up with the wrong elf class?
May 29 22:06:08 <jettero> like ever?
May 29 22:07:52 <jettero> oic, palm-inspector is mad because *it* is 32 bit and my libenchant is 64bit
May 29 22:07:58 <jettero> read that backwards
May 29 22:08:04 <jettero> ok, palm-inspector is out
May 29 22:10:38 <rwhitby> morning
May 29 22:49:35 <amiroo> hi there. anyone here who has experience with scroller in horizontal-snap mode in ares?
May 29 22:53:06 <amiroo> the horizontal scrolling works fine. i just cannot get the snapping work. any ideas?
May 29 22:57:26 * BigBiff has never used ares
May 29 22:59:59 <amiroo> and no idea how i can set the value of "snapElements"? must be very similar even without ares
May 29 23:01:18 <reality9110> I have
May 29 23:01:25 <reality9110> Except for the ares thing
May 29 23:01:35 <reality9110> I've never used it because it completely jacks up my code.
May 29 23:01:56 <amiroo> yeah. i regret it already
May 29 23:02:20 <reality9110> And Ares code is much different from just going at it alone
May 29 23:02:20 <amiroo> there is that sample code http://almaer.com/blog/touching-horizontalscroll
May 29 23:02:20 <BigBiff> I've only used scrollTo(x,y)
May 29 23:02:41 <BigBiff> y=event.down.y
May 29 23:03:05 <amiroo> i dont understand this part
May 29 23:03:06 <amiroo> snapElements: { x: $$('.scrollerItem') }
May 29 23:03:32 <reality9110> amiroo: It means that it's using the items that have the class scrollerItem
May 29 23:04:24 <reality9110> So, say you have several different divs.  Div1, Div2, Div3 that all contain differnet information.
May 29 23:04:39 <amiroo> hmmm. that's what i thought. but i cannot use just { x: $$('.scrollerItem') } in "snapElements" in ares. strange
May 29 23:04:45 <reality9110> If you set the class on each to be scrollerItem, then it will use those divs as snap elements.
May 29 23:05:15 <reality9110> Welp, more reason not to use Ares then.
May 29 23:05:21 <amiroo> ok. i understand. i guess in ares it must be solved somehow else
May 29 23:05:30 <amiroo> haha thats right
May 29 23:36:27 <Tibfib> anyone develop for other platforms?
May 29 23:36:42 <Tibfib> that would be interested in working together on a Mojo Messenger client
May 29 23:37:41 <reality9110> Tibfib: Android
May 29 23:37:57 <reality9110> Of course...
May 29 23:38:38 <Tibfib> you'd be intersted, or of course you develop for android?
May 29 23:38:51 <reality9110> Of course I develop for Android
May 29 23:39:23 <reality9110> What type of mojo messenger are you talking about?
May 29 23:39:27 <bhuey> I'm having a problem installing the messaging patches
May 29 23:39:30 <Tibfib> my upcoming chat application
May 29 23:39:53 <bhuey> It complains about a patch rejectin failure and I was wondering about how to restore it to the original file without having to wipe the device.
May 29 23:39:55 <reality9110> What does it do that is substantially different than the existing messenger?
May 29 23:40:27 <reality9110> bhuey: You can use WebOS Quick Install to revert a patch
May 29 23:40:40 <bhuey> how ?
May 29 23:40:43 <bhuey> uninstall it ?
May 29 23:40:58 <bhuey> I do that but it's still kind of hosed out
May 29 23:41:00 <Tibfib> planned: virtual keyboard, file transfer, group chat, read confirmation, animated emoticons
May 29 23:41:40 <bhuey> reality9110: I removed all patcheso on my device as well and did an emergency patch recovery
May 29 23:41:53 <reality9110> bhuey: Then you'd be back to the original state
May 29 23:42:12 <bhuey> the 2.4 messaging patches are still having a problem installing
May 29 23:42:22 <reality9110> Tibfib: Doesn't sound like it would be worth a droid client because there's already several that do that.
May 29 23:42:49 <bhuey> also preware isn't happy on this device any more
May 29 23:42:50 <Tibfib> reality9110: the point is that it would be multi-platform
May 29 23:43:20 <reality9110> You should try to develop it in phonegap then
May 29 23:43:36 <reality9110> Then, you'll have your cross platform
May 29 23:43:37 <bhuey> actually the restart might have helped
May 29 23:43:52 <Tibfib> Tis a good idea. Might happen
May 29 23:44:18 <bhuey> ok, I get this nasty message about preware not being able to download via wget or something
May 29 23:44:30 <bhuey> is there a problem with the repository today ?
May 29 23:45:25 <Tibfib> bhuey: ask in internals
May 29 23:47:49 <JenP> hi all
May 29 23:48:39 <reality9110> Hey Jen
May 29 23:48:47 <JenP> hi doc!
May 29 23:49:42 <reality9110> Arrrgh.  I hate this new audio implementation.
May 29 23:49:55 <JenP> what's it doing different?
May 29 23:50:42 <reality9110> It's not acting how it's supposed to act
May 29 23:53:33 <reality9110> Getting closer...
May 29 23:54:39 <JenP> oh that's good
May 29 23:55:35 <reality9110> Got it.
May 29 23:57:44 <reality9110> Maybe not.  New problems.
May 30 00:54:17 <haeffb> LoneStar99 and swisstomcat are "featured apps"
May 30 00:58:36 <JenP> good for them
May 30 00:58:41 <JenP> hi haeffb!
May 30 01:02:09 <reality9110> Somebody want to test the new radiotime?
May 30 01:02:13 <reality9110> I think it's about ready
May 30 01:03:32 <haeffb> hi jenp
May 30 01:03:39 <haeffb> reality9110: does it play my station yet?
May 30 01:03:44 * JenP waves
May 30 01:03:54 <reality9110> haeffb: Nothing is going to play your station.
May 30 01:04:00 <haeffb> what's up today?
May 30 01:04:08 <haeffb> my WM phone does
May 30 01:04:24 <reality9110> So does my Android phone.
May 30 01:04:42 <reality9110> But, nothing on the Pre is going to play it
May 30 01:04:57 <reality9110> Short of petitioning the station to support an mp3 stream
May 30 01:05:15 <haeffb> I can use electrical tape to add an fm tuner to my pre.
May 30 01:12:28 <JenP> haeffb you there?
May 30 01:13:07 <haeffb> sorta
May 30 01:13:18 <haeffb> in between watching phoenix-la
May 30 01:13:35 <JenP> can you glance at this and tell me what i'm doing wrong...i'm still trying to figure out sql...http://pastebin.com/CucS7yYW
May 30 01:13:40 <JenP> http://pastebin.com/CucS7yYW
May 30 01:14:24 <JenP> in putty i get results from sumPay_sql
May 30 01:15:35 <reality9110> Yeah.  I just went through every combination of liquidcompass streaming server url/station for WHB810
May 30 01:15:37 <reality9110> Nothing.
May 30 01:15:46 <haeffb> bastards
May 30 01:17:57 <haeffb> In putty - i.e. directly thru sqlite?
May 30 01:18:06 <JenP> yeah works great
May 30 01:19:00 <haeffb> you should get something in response.rows.items(0).Sum in your onSuccess
May 30 01:19:32 <JenP> really? even though i'm not displaying it in a row?
May 30 01:19:57 <haeffb> sql results are always in rows, akaik
May 30 01:20:05 <JenP> kk
May 30 01:20:19 <haeffb> Mojo.Log.info("OK", response.rows.items(0).Sum);
May 30 01:20:22 <haeffb> see what happens
May 30 01:20:28 <JenP> kk
May 30 01:22:11 <JenP>  error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'items' of undefined, app/assistants/ccStorage-assistant.js:191
May 30 01:31:35 <haeffb> CCData.appDb.get_connection().transaction((function  (transaction, response) {
May 30 01:35:55 <JenP> i still get the same error
May 30 01:39:09 <haeffb> Mojo.Log.info("OK %j", response.rows);
May 30 01:39:31 <haeffb> nah. that won't work either
May 30 01:39:48 <haeffb> Mojo.Log.info("OK %j", response);
May 30 01:40:17 <JenP> i guess i keep missing the connection between having it work in putty  and work in mojo
May 30 01:41:54 <haeffb> should work both places...just a matter of making sure you're calling it correctly in mojo.
May 30 01:42:41 <JenP> nodnod
May 30 01:44:55 <twbbas> I have this using Ares: http://pastebin.com/6PEdKJhq and event.item isn't giving me the value of the row. Webos101 said to use event.item. All it alerts is "[object Object]" Any ideas?
May 30 02:15:05 <JenP> bbiab
May 30 02:24:30 <bhuey> where's the doctor images for the sprint phones that I can download as a .jar ?
May 30 02:26:58 <reality9110> Google for WebOS Doctor download.  It's like the third link down or something
May 30 02:27:03 <Tibfib> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
May 30 02:27:06 <reality9110> At WebOS internals
May 30 02:27:11 <reality9110> Or that
May 30 02:28:32 <bhuey> thanks downloading it now, big image over a 3g link
May 30 02:29:18 <reality9110> Is it possible to adjust the color of the dashboard background?
May 30 02:29:21 <reality9110> Surely it must be
May 30 02:34:18 <haeffb> global-notifications.css
May 30 02:34:51 <reality9110> Hmmm.
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