**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 31 02:59:56 2010
May 31 02:59:58 <reality9110> Things like voice recognition.
May 31 03:00:12 <reality9110> I mean, come on...it's built into Java.
May 31 03:00:21 <bpadalino> voice recognition is built into java ?
May 31 03:00:24 <reality9110> Yes
May 31 03:00:33 <reality9110> Speech to text.
May 31 03:01:16 <reality9110> So, you'd have voice dialing apps, speech sms, speech IM, etc.
May 31 03:02:01 <reality9110> And, then you'd also have text to speech.
May 31 03:02:09 <bpadalino> what about just being able to use CMU Sphinx ?
May 31 03:02:24 <bpadalino> http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/
May 31 03:03:07 <bpadalino> different ways to skin the cat i suppose
May 31 03:03:23 <JenP> .0
May 31 03:03:25 <JenP> .00
May 31 03:03:26 <JenP> .0
May 31 03:03:56 <reality9110> So you'd have to integrate a specific library to run one specific thing rather than have a framework that does multiple different things and just happens to bring along a wide range of different things?
May 31 03:04:05 <JenP> .00.0.
May 31 03:04:24 <reality9110> You ok there Jen?
May 31 03:04:45 <bpadalino> well, it's not like the java libraries are necessarily the best implementation .. and they are quite hefty
May 31 03:04:50 <bpadalino> they don't come for free, that's for sure
May 31 03:04:52 <JenP> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
May 31 03:05:16 <JenP> oh sorry cat jumped on keyboard
May 31 03:05:21 <halfhalo_pre> hah
May 31 03:05:23 <oil> lol
May 31 03:05:25 <bpadalino> cat like typing detected
May 31 03:05:42 <bpadalino> http://www.bitboost.com/pawsense/
May 31 03:06:11 <JenP> lol
May 31 03:06:49 <halfhalo_pre> there is nothing on tv...
May 31 03:07:19 <bpadalino> s/nothing/nothing of interest/
May 31 03:07:20 <halfhalo_pre> wait... I lied. bba has star trek tng
May 31 03:07:48 <haeffb> that's what a DVR is for
May 31 03:07:56 <halfhalo_pre> bah
May 31 03:07:59 <JenP> and hbo
May 31 03:08:24 <halfhalo_pre> nothing is ever recorded on this dvr
May 31 03:08:43 <haeffb> you kinda still have to tell it what to record...
May 31 03:08:44 <halfhalo_pre> and no movies on hbo I want to watch right now
May 31 03:08:55 <bpadalino> irc should be all the entertainment you need!
May 31 03:08:59 <halfhalo_pre> or stars
May 31 03:09:02 <dpivs> you should get netflix for the instant queue, it's so badass.
May 31 03:09:06 <halfhalo_pre> or cinemax
May 31 03:09:07 <haeffb> always sunny starts on Comedy Central tomorrow at 8pm CDT
May 31 03:09:26 <JenP> showtime?...tudors...u.s. of tarra
May 31 03:09:33 <halfhalo_pre> bleh
May 31 03:09:35 <dpivs> they've got a few of the star trek movies on there, not all of them yet though.
May 31 03:10:03 <halfhalo_pre> oh god dammit
May 31 03:10:14 <halfhalo_pre> I saw this episode last time I was bored
May 31 03:10:32 <reality9110> I'm old.  I listen to the radio.
May 31 03:10:42 <bpadalino> the HAM radio ?
May 31 03:10:49 <haeffb> philco
May 31 03:10:50 <JenP> haeffb you awake enough to help me trouble shot my sql?
May 31 03:10:56 <reality9110> Nope.  Just the radio.
May 31 03:11:04 <haeffb> sure. butt's still in the smoker & hasn't reached temp yet
May 31 03:11:12 <JenP> still?
May 31 03:11:18 <JenP> how long does it take>
May 31 03:11:23 <JenP> ?
May 31 03:12:08 <reality9110> If you're from the south, all day.
May 31 03:12:26 <haeffb> 14 hours so far
May 31 03:12:59 <JenP> k brb
May 31 03:14:55 <halfhalo_pre> awwww
May 31 03:15:06 <halfhalo_pre> damn dvr has parental blocks on it
May 31 03:15:23 <JenP> LOL
May 31 03:16:32 <halfhalo_pre> ffffffff
May 31 03:19:10 <halfhalo_pre> and.... now star wars
May 31 03:20:22 <dpivs> always a good call.  unless it's phantom menace.
May 31 03:20:32 <halfhalo_pre> ep v I think
May 31 03:20:55 <dpivs> empire?  awesome choice.
May 31 03:22:14 <halfhalo_pre> why the hell is my laptop not charged...
May 31 03:22:45 <bpadalino> you ran out of potential :(
May 31 03:23:20 <halfhalo_pre> OR the surge protector it was plugged into was off
May 31 03:24:36 <bpadalino> nah, needs to be more elaborate than that
May 31 03:24:50 <halfhalo_pre> hmmm
May 31 03:24:52 <bpadalino> maybe you have too much antimatter in your general vacinity
May 31 03:25:06 <halfhalo_pre> maybe...
May 31 03:30:17 <halfhalo_pre> hmmm
May 31 03:30:31 <halfhalo_pre> there's nothing on this pre to do....
May 31 04:13:27 <BigBiff> anyone still awake?
May 31 04:14:07 <BigBiff> i'm getting a phantom scrim/spinner on a scene for a split second when it's transitioning on
May 31 04:14:20 <BigBiff> doesnt show up on emu, just on device
May 31 04:14:40 <BigBiff> srim.hide() is first item on setup, too
May 31 04:15:11 <BigBiff> weird
May 31 05:07:52 <Nyceane1> hey
May 31 05:07:53 <Nyceane1>             	<img src="#{-image}" />
May 31 05:07:57 <Nyceane1> doesn't really get the image
May 31 05:08:01 <LoneStar99> what is the print screen on a device?
May 31 05:08:15 <LoneStar99> the proper keys
May 31 05:08:30 <Nyceane1> what am i doing wrong? =-|
May 31 05:09:12 <LoneStar99> Nyceane:  is that for the list widget?
May 31 05:09:16 <Nyceane1> yah
May 31 05:09:30 <LoneStar99> have not messed with lists yet
May 31 05:09:36 <LoneStar99> sorry
May 31 05:09:43 <Nyceane1> its ok, just wondering whats wrnog
May 31 05:09:51 <LoneStar99> do you know how to print screen on the device
May 31 05:09:51 <Nyceane1> and there is no samples for it
May 31 05:09:54 <Nyceane1> kinda sucks
May 31 05:10:03 <Nyceane1> hmm, i just do it on emulator
May 31 05:10:03 <LoneStar99> forgot the proper keys
May 31 05:10:13 <Nyceane1> command shift 4 on mac
May 31 05:10:17 <Nyceane1> print screen key on pc
May 31 05:10:37 <LoneStar99> yeah there is a way on the device have done it before, but forgot...
May 31 05:10:54 <Nyceane1> duno, i dont even have a palm lol
May 31 05:11:00 <Nyceane1> hope to win this contest so i can buy myself a palm
May 31 05:11:08 <LoneStar99> right on
May 31 05:11:35 <Nyceane1> btw, on emulator it takes a while before i can get gps coordinate
May 31 05:11:38 <Nyceane1> is it fast on real device?
May 31 05:11:53 <Nyceane1> palm has been pretty consistant between emulator and the device, unlike android lol
May 31 05:12:18 <Nyceane1> adfa
May 31 05:12:21 <Nyceane1> hello?
May 31 05:12:26 <Nyceane1> am i still in the channel?
May 31 05:12:46 <renegaid> yea
May 31 05:16:37 <LoneStar99> yea
May 31 05:16:41 <LoneStar99> yea
May 31 05:16:50 <LoneStar99> not anymore
May 31 05:18:02 <Nyceane1> got it
May 31 05:18:04 <Nyceane1> =)
May 31 05:18:05 <Nyceane1> yay!
May 31 05:18:19 <LoneStar99> cool
May 31 05:26:02 <LoneStar99> finally got my app featured
May 31 05:26:16 <LoneStar99> on the app cat
May 31 05:26:47 <renegaid> is there a fee for that?
May 31 05:27:04 <LoneStar99> do not think so
May 31 05:27:20 <LoneStar99> it needs to be scheduled on there
May 31 05:28:41 <LoneStar99> the thing is my app was selling well with a 5 rating, then it went to a 4.8 and lost 99%+ of sales
May 31 05:29:35 <LoneStar99> so contacted palm over the problem, it turns out to be a bug, in the algorithim
May 31 05:30:13 <LoneStar99> probably lost about $2000 worth of sales
May 31 05:32:27 <LoneStar99> and a place on the top apps
May 31 05:32:57 <Nyceane1> hey, does anybody know how to set up gps really fast?
May 31 05:33:38 <pandora--> you mean, so it works really fast?
May 31 05:33:47 <pandora--> or an easy way to get gps coords?
May 31 05:34:05 <Nyceane1> so it works really fast
May 31 05:34:12 <Nyceane1> it takes almost 45 seconds before i can get coordinate
May 31 05:34:13 <pandora--> you can specify that in the api
May 31 05:34:18 <Nyceane1> that is not acceptable
May 31 05:34:23 <Nyceane1> maximumAge: 300,
May 31 05:34:35 <Nyceane1> i m taking around 5 minutes worth of data
May 31 05:34:58 <Nyceane1> responseTime: 2, takes 45 seconds although it says 5 to 15
May 31 05:34:59 <pandora--> what do you mean taking 5min worth of data?
May 31 05:35:29 <Nyceane1> hmm, I just need the last coordinate that GPS was actually on, in case its too slow and the customers complain
May 31 05:36:11 <pandora--> try responseTime: 1?
May 31 05:36:22 <pandora--> with accuracy 3
May 31 05:36:44 <LoneStar99> Nyceane1: have the last corrdinate updated to a cookie
May 31 05:36:48 <pandora--> it's usually really fast for my app that uses it
May 31 05:37:02 <Nyceane1> are you testing it on real phone?
May 31 05:37:04 <Nyceane1> i m testing it on emulator
May 31 05:37:14 <pandora--> your emu is taking 45seconds??
May 31 05:37:22 <pandora--> i'm talking about live phone usage
May 31 05:37:29 <pandora--> which never takes 45seconds
May 31 05:37:38 <pandora--> emu is instant
May 31 05:37:45 <LoneStar99> usually the emulator is faster than the actual device
May 31 05:37:51 <Nyceane1> wow
May 31 05:37:56 <Nyceane1> how is it taking so long then?
May 31 05:37:58 <pandora--> since it uses the coordinates of google's office in the bay area
May 31 05:38:13 <pandora--> lol i have no idea... but i suspect it's not your gps code :)
May 31 05:38:25 <pandora--> or, something is very wrong with your gps code
May 31 05:38:28 <LoneStar99> Nyceane1: how often does a user on your app need a new corrdinate?
May 31 05:38:47 <pandora--> in the emulator, it's pretty much instantaneous with gps acquisition
May 31 05:39:11 <pandora--> Nyceane1: have you enabled "google services" in the location preferences of the emu?
May 31 05:39:29 <Nyceane1> http://pastebin.com/ca1EnL7F
May 31 05:39:33 <Nyceane1> hmm, let me see
May 31 05:40:00 <Nyceane1> autolocate is on
May 31 05:40:17 <pandora--> bring down the app menu
May 31 05:40:19 <LoneStar99> the code looks pretty start foward
May 31 05:40:37 <pandora--> Nyceane1: you should use responsetime 1 though
May 31 05:40:44 <LoneStar99> what os are you using to develop?
May 31 05:41:04 <Nyceane1> LoneStar99, mac book pro
May 31 05:41:08 <pandora--> if, in fact, the problem is gps. you should use responseTime 1.  but, it sounds like its not
May 31 05:41:50 <pandora--> Nyceane1: see in location services prefs, in the app menu: "locate me using..." GPS/Google Services
May 31 05:42:01 <pandora--> make sure "Google Services" is checked there
May 31 05:42:39 <LoneStar99> Nyceane1: you are saying on the emulator it takes 45 seconds to get a GPS coordinate?
May 31 05:42:47 <Nyceane1> preference is disabled
May 31 05:42:54 <Nyceane1> where is location service prefs?
May 31 05:43:02 <Nyceane1> yah
May 31 05:43:16 <egaudet> does Mojo.Event.sendKeyDownAndUpEvents() work?
May 31 05:43:18 <pandora--> gps, otherwise, is NOT going to be using AGPS.  Which means it has to get a satelite fix on 4 individual satelites, then it takes 30 seconds to download the data from the satelite.  which explains your 45s wait
May 31 05:43:40 <pandora--> Nyceane1: on the palm icon menu, all the way to the right. "Location Services" icon
May 31 05:46:29 <Nyceane1> wow, dropped it down to 10 seconds
May 31 05:46:36 <LoneStar99> pandora: i thought it was 3 satellites
May 31 05:46:46 <Nyceane1> thanks
May 31 05:47:34 <LoneStar99> what does the 4 satellite do?
May 31 05:48:06 <LoneStar99> sorry 4th
May 31 05:49:43 <LoneStar99> 3 for triangulation, 4th for processing?
May 31 05:49:44 <pandora--> LoneStar99: 4th is for timing parity
May 31 05:50:14 <pandora--> Nyceane1: good :)
May 31 05:51:31 <Nyceane1> pandora, are you pandora radio?
May 31 05:51:41 <LoneStar99> pandora pretty sure it is just 3 but have not messed with GPS yet
May 31 05:52:33 <pandora--> Nyceane1: nope :(
May 31 05:53:15 <pandora--> LoneStar99: don't take my word for it, i didn't write the docs, i just read em
May 31 05:53:48 <LoneStar99> k
May 31 05:54:12 <LoneStar99> i am not certain either
May 31 05:54:17 <pandora--> the 4th isn't talked about often, and in some networks isn't required, but the radio protocols prefer to have the 4th to get the current time so it can verify the timing validity of the ones supplying location for the triangulation
May 31 05:55:37 <LoneStar99> k
May 31 05:55:44 <LoneStar99> makes sense
May 31 05:58:57 <TheSavaLord> hi to anyone who is awake
May 31 05:59:32 * pandora-- waves
May 31 05:59:37 <pandora--> it's not late here
May 31 05:59:44 <pandora--> 11pm in los angeles
May 31 06:00:05 <LoneStar99> awake
May 31 06:00:08 <LoneStar99> texas
May 31 06:02:07 <LoneStar99> southern cali is awesome
May 31 06:03:17 <LoneStar99> pandora: what is the weather like in LA right now?
May 31 06:03:34 <pandora--> perfect
May 31 06:03:43 <LoneStar99> pandora: have you ever been to barcamp in LA?
May 31 06:03:47 <TheSavaLord> 1am here but I am visiting my sis normaly 2
May 31 06:03:50 <pandora--> 75F and not a cloud in sight today
May 31 06:04:00 <LoneStar99> awesome
May 31 06:04:03 <pandora--> LoneStar99: barcamp? no, what is it?
May 31 06:04:40 <LoneStar99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp
May 31 06:05:10 <LoneStar99> it is pretty cool
May 31 06:06:16 <pandora--> ah yeah, i've never been to one
May 31 06:06:45 <LoneStar99> some neat non-conferences
May 31 06:07:25 <LoneStar99> the last one i went to was in san diego at the intuit complex
May 31 06:08:01 <LoneStar99> it would be a perfect place for some webos coders to go
May 31 06:09:05 <LoneStar99> they are always sponsored by big IT companies
May 31 06:09:30 <LoneStar99> microsoft, yahoo, opera, and others
May 31 06:10:00 <LoneStar99> people can talk about anything
May 31 06:10:36 <LoneStar99> have a new product, or service it can be introduced their
May 31 06:11:09 <LoneStar99> or want to talk about online love it is all good
May 31 06:13:36 <TheSavaLord> no such thing as online love
May 31 06:14:15 <LoneStar99> well not for me, but for some there it is how they find their love
May 31 06:14:51 <LoneStar99> TheSavaLord:  but it was just an example of barcamp
May 31 06:14:53 <dpivs> barcamp sounds interesting.
May 31 06:15:09 <dpivs> in socal they also have socalcodecamp
May 31 06:15:42 <LoneStar99> barcamp is what ever you want from it
May 31 06:16:07 <LoneStar99> if you want to take about facebook for 30 minutes you can
May 31 06:16:12 <dpivs> but it doesn't seem as interactive as barcamp, just from looking at the rules on the barcamp site.
May 31 06:21:40 <TheSavaLord> like bbs get togethers back in the day
May 31 06:21:45 <LoneStar99> internet died, but now is back
May 31 06:21:52 <TheSavaLord> or irc channel get togethers
May 31 06:22:17 <dpivs> i just had a webOS meetup today, in socal.  in hindsight it was badly timed.
May 31 06:23:06 <LoneStar99> dpivs:  was it lame?
May 31 06:23:50 <dpivs> out of 4 that rsvp'd only 1 showed up.  but it was Greg, the dude that wrote the forward to the mitch allen webos book, so it wasn't all that bad.
May 31 06:24:17 <dpivs> but yeah, i was totally kicking myself for scheduling it on memorial day weekend.
May 31 06:24:28 <LoneStar99> atleast one showed
May 31 06:26:05 <TheSavaLord> so what kind of music do webos people like
May 31 06:26:10 <dpivs> we discussed ares and he pointed out how you can use the escape button to select a parent container.  before that i would just look at the 'view' to locate a widget.
May 31 06:27:45 <dpivs> TheSavaLord: i listen to mostly depeche mode and rage against the machine.  sometimes metallica.  and lady gaga.  and classical too.  i'm all over the place.
May 31 06:28:37 <dpivs> LoneStar99:  are you in CA?
May 31 06:28:48 <TheSavaLord> here on my pre I mostly listen to progressive rock power metal opera.
May 31 06:29:21 <dpivs> metal opera sounds interesting.  i like opera.  anything like that at all?
May 31 06:29:44 <TheSavaLord> you can mix all that together like ayreon/avantasia
May 31 06:30:48 <TheSavaLord> metal opera is a lot like jesis christ superstar or tommy but heavier
May 31 06:31:22 <TheSavaLord> rock operas
May 31 06:32:23 <dpivs> ah, sounds appealing.  rock operas aren't bad.
May 31 06:32:26 <TheSavaLord> ayreon has a lot of progressive rock influences like pink floyd, jethro tull, yes, queen and so on
May 31 06:33:00 <LoneStar99> damn AT&T keeps killing the connection
May 31 06:33:32 <TheSavaLord> 1 guy gets like 10 to 20 different types of singers together to put together a double cd story based opera
May 31 06:34:30 <LoneStar99> opera has the best browser
May 31 06:34:49 <dpivs> TheSavaLord: have you heard of repo the genetic opera?
May 31 06:35:22 <LoneStar99> is it on youtube?
May 31 06:35:24 <TheSavaLord> singers from iron maiden, helloween, opeth, blind guardian, dream threatre and so on have been on his cds
May 31 06:35:36 <TheSavaLord> ayreon is on youtube
May 31 06:35:56 <TheSavaLord> dpivs nope
May 31 06:36:00 <dpivs> LoneStar99:  i saw a trailer for repo when i went to rocky horror picture show.
May 31 06:36:24 <dpivs> avantasia covers remind me of 80's metal band covers.
May 31 06:37:20 <LoneStar99> dpivs: awesome
May 31 06:37:34 <TheSavaLord> the guy who does avantasia has gotten helloween singers/musicians invoved
May 31 06:38:11 <TheSavaLord> helloween is an 80s metal band that is still putting out cds
May 31 06:38:55 <TheSavaLord> even working on one as we speak
May 31 06:38:56 <dpivs> helloween.  i've definitely heard of iron maiden and dream theatre.
May 31 06:39:13 <LoneStar99> TheSavaLord:  you are rocker with christian rocker name
May 31 06:39:48 <pandora--> dpivs: i didn't know there was a webos meetup here? (im in LA)
May 31 06:39:51 <pandora--> dpivs: where was it?
May 31 06:39:54 <TheSavaLord> sava= savatage which is a progressive metal band
May 31 06:40:24 <dpivs> pandora--:  it was in irvine this month.
May 31 06:40:32 <TheSavaLord> they are also the core of Trans-siberian orestra
May 31 06:40:44 <TheSavaLord> orchestra
May 31 06:41:05 <pandora--> dpivs: lol... repo was awesome. and which rocky?
May 31 06:41:05 <TheSavaLord> lord as in lord of the rings
May 31 06:41:17 <dpivs> the meetup group has people from la registered but they never come.  i'm thinking it's probably because most of the meets have been in orange county.
May 31 06:41:38 <dpivs> pandora--:  the one at that theater right next to the 405 in la, ertt, can't remember the name of it.
May 31 06:41:44 <pandora--> Nuart ;)
May 31 06:41:58 <pandora--> I used to run tech for them
May 31 06:42:02 <pandora--> :)
May 31 06:42:20 <pandora--> was on that cast for yearrrrs
May 31 06:42:21 <dpivs> pandora--:  yes, nuart!  i went there with a few greek fobs, they had no idea what it was all about.  man, the look on their faces was priceless.
May 31 06:42:26 <LoneStar99> TheSavaLord:  listening to ayreon loser, sounds veery cool
May 31 06:42:29 <pandora--> lol
May 31 06:43:18 <TheSavaLord> the singer from that song was in a group named Shadow Gallery but he died last year.
May 31 06:43:23 <dpivs> pandora--: i felt bad for some of my friends who were actually expecting to watch the movie, hahaha.
May 31 06:43:34 <pandora--> hahah it's sooo not about the movie
May 31 06:44:05 <dpivs> exactly!
May 31 06:44:27 <pandora--> man. i had some good times there. whewwww
May 31 06:44:36 <TheSavaLord> so they lost their rocky horror cherries
May 31 06:44:57 <dpivs> TheSavaLord:  indeed they did, indeed they did.
May 31 06:45:34 <TheSavaLord> yes I have been to a midnight threatre show.
May 31 06:45:47 <dpivs> so yeah, there is a webos meetup group in socal, turnout has been pretty low though.
May 31 06:46:41 <LoneStar99> dpivs:  that is when soon HP comes into play
May 31 06:47:31 <TheSavaLord> the guy who does the Ayreon projects plays the guitar a lot like David Gilmour of Pink Floyd.
May 31 06:48:05 <LoneStar99> good music forsure
May 31 06:48:13 <dpivs> LoneStar99:  yeah i think a lot of people are waiting to see what hp formally announces they're going to do with palm first.
May 31 06:48:52 <dpivs> TheSavaLord:  for the longest time i thought Trans-siberian orchestra was a real orchestra, from trans-sibera.
May 31 06:49:08 <TheSavaLord> check out ayreon.com and you will see the massive amounts of projects has has done and been on
May 31 06:49:09 <dpivs> TheSavaLord:  of course, without ever hearing their music.
May 31 06:49:12 <LoneStar99> i am scared they kill the palm brand,
May 31 06:49:24 <TheSavaLord> LoL
May 31 06:49:28 <dpivs> LoneStar99:  that would totally suck.
May 31 06:50:12 <dpivs> i was just googling for some webos info and clicked on a link, it's to a page from the mitch allen book and i was like, duh why don't i just open the book to that page.
May 31 06:50:19 <HotDP> Good morning
May 31 06:50:22 <LoneStar99> if that happens, will go and code anymore webos apps
May 31 06:50:25 <dpivs> hi HotDP
May 31 06:50:44 <HotDP> If what happens?
May 31 06:50:53 <TheSavaLord> I could tell you about the story of how Trans-Siberian Orchestra came about.
May 31 06:51:17 <LoneStar99> sorry code no more webos apps
May 31 06:51:46 <LoneStar99> hello HotDP
May 31 06:52:18 <TheSavaLord> worried about HP droping the Palm brand
May 31 06:52:59 <HotDP> Ahh ok, somethine read about it or just talking about it?
May 31 06:53:03 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 31 06:53:11 <zomg> Seems unlikely to me since Palm has a strong brand in the mobile sector and HP has less
May 31 06:53:13 <TheSavaLord> just talking
May 31 06:55:24 <LoneStar99> hp will release a tblet soon, and very sure the os will have mention of palm
May 31 06:56:27 <dpivs> i think webOS on tablet would be pretty interesting.  maybe they'll call it a foleo.
May 31 06:57:07 <LoneStar99> or HPad
May 31 07:02:30 <rick-home> in regard to webOS on tablets "soon" HP's CTO said last week "don't believe everything you read on the internet."
May 31 07:07:20 <LoneStar99> rick-home: the only obvious os that would be killer on a tablet would be webos
May 31 07:08:05 <LoneStar99> win7 is not the answer
May 31 07:08:12 <HotDP> I have a WebOS Button "problem". Are peoble making there own images or do they style the std. mojo button?
May 31 07:09:21 <LoneStar99> HotDP:  made all my apps from scratch using the apis
May 31 07:11:28 <HotDP> So you have not made any images and used them?
May 31 07:26:20 <LoneStar99> HotDP:  the thing is everything can be made better
May 31 07:27:52 <HotDP> I dont think i understand what you are thinking. My first app used std. buttons. But this time i would like buttons that are black and with a image. So i dont know if i should design everything as an image og try to style the buttons?
May 31 07:30:29 <LoneStar99> HotDP: if you want a custom design, then you need to make the images
May 31 07:31:27 <HotDP> I know there are a class for red ect. "Alert" is there a class for black buttons?
May 31 07:32:36 <LoneStar99> not sure
May 31 07:33:01 <LoneStar99> built the ui on my own
May 31 07:33:41 <HotDP> oki thanks
May 31 07:35:35 <LoneStar99> i say silly putty can but a stop to the oil spill
May 31 07:37:47 <LoneStar99> silly putty was designed by GE
May 31 07:38:51 <LoneStar99> it will not break up in water and can be formed into anything
May 31 07:55:32 <TheSavaLord> goodnight
May 31 09:58:20 <HotDP> Someone know how i can make this black buttons: http://www.appscout.com/WebOS_Install_Precentral.jpg ?
May 31 11:36:42 <BeerSerc> hi there. is flash player support available or not (yet)? I googled it, and it said it should work from 1.4 with the flashplugin from the app catalog, but I cannot find it
May 31 11:41:40 <Famic> afaik there is no flash support
May 31 11:43:28 <Famic> I've read all around that the palm pre had flash support since its first apparition, but it seems it's not before quite some time. Damn marketers and journalists :p
May 31 11:48:09 <BeerSerc> Famic: thanks
May 31 12:57:19 <haeffb> good morning #webos
May 31 12:57:46 <warpdesign_> hey haeffb
May 31 12:57:59 <haeffb> what's the good word today?
May 31 13:05:55 <HotDP> Morning
May 31 13:15:05 <haeffb> HotDP: I think the black buttons are just palm-dark default
May 31 13:16:02 <HotDP> thanks for the reply
May 31 13:16:18 <HotDP> How do i choose that? I only se 4 options in ares
May 31 13:17:01 <haeffb> you could use a custom CSS.
May 31 13:17:46 <HotDP> But if it is std. i should choose it? Does it have a name?
May 31 13:17:52 <HotDP> the "style" ? Dark?
May 31 13:18:29 <haeffb> it's the default button when your scene is styled with class="palm-scene palm-dark"
May 31 13:20:01 <haeffb> but you can copy the image from the images directory and the CSS from global-buttons-dark.css to your app and then use it without going to a palm-dark scene
May 31 13:21:34 <HotDP> Aha, i did not know i could change the whole theme in ares
May 31 13:25:03 <amiroo> anyone an idea why console.log is not shown anymore?
May 31 13:32:11 <HotDP> soundsstrange
May 31 13:32:15 <HotDP> Using Ares?
May 31 13:32:43 <amiroo> yes unfortunately
May 31 13:33:28 <HotDP> You see things in in the console/log på not the things you type in console.log ?
May 31 13:33:52 <amiroo> exactely
May 31 13:35:03 <HotDP> what about    Mojo.Log.info(""); ?
May 31 13:35:33 <amiroo> let me try
May 31 13:37:09 <amiroo> nope :-(
May 31 13:39:27 <amiroo> i though it might have something to do with the framework_config.json file
May 31 13:39:48 <amiroo> it says "LogLevel" : 99
May 31 13:39:53 <amiroo> logLevel
May 31 13:40:34 <HotDP> sounds correct
May 31 13:42:51 <amiroo> ok. thank you anyway.
May 31 13:43:05 <amiroo> i think i have to deal with it
May 31 13:43:30 <HotDP> Sorry, its works here and do not know what can be wrong
May 31 13:43:35 <HotDP> *it
May 31 13:44:13 <amiroo> thanks for trying
May 31 18:07:20 <dpivs> hi everyone
May 31 18:15:19 <swisstomcat> evening
May 31 18:47:37 <Nyceane1> hey, webos seems to get json webservices a lot faster than android
May 31 18:47:40 <Nyceane1> any reason why?
May 31 18:47:42 <Nyceane1> almost instant
May 31 18:48:01 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 31 18:48:03 <Nyceane1> not really complaining, just trying to understand =)
May 31 18:48:11 <Nyceane1> in fact not complaining at all
May 31 19:00:46 <swisstomcat> wow, moo downloads have shot up from 33k to 41k in 3 days :)
May 31 19:01:37 <bpadalino> wow, any idea what caused that ?
May 31 19:01:46 <swisstomcat> an update
May 31 19:02:09 <swisstomcat> and probably because it's in the featured apps section in the free app catalog
May 31 19:02:15 <swisstomcat> had no idea it was there
May 31 19:03:15 <bpadalino> ah gocha
May 31 19:17:45 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
May 31 19:18:51 <MetaView> moin, moin
May 31 19:19:26 <swisstomcat> can you check your app catalog, metaview? see if moo is in the featured section?
May 31 19:20:11 <MetaView> moo in the ftr section?
May 31 19:20:22 <MetaView> no, it isn't
May 31 19:20:24 <MetaView> sry
May 31 19:20:36 <swisstomcat> it's in "aktuelle auswahl" here (free catalog)
May 31 19:20:58 <MetaView> yes, I have this line too, but it isn't there
May 31 19:21:09 <swisstomcat> probably just the free catalog then
May 31 19:21:24 <MetaView> There is stuff with just 1 review
May 31 19:21:36 <swisstomcat> that's an old bug :(
May 31 19:21:55 <MetaView> I don't understand why my own apps never there but other apps, just from the day of release...
May 31 19:22:32 <MetaView> there is even an app without any review in the ftr section
May 31 19:22:51 <swisstomcat> i wonder how they get there
May 31 19:23:04 <MetaView> me too
May 31 19:23:44 <MetaView> I even asked my manager once about and send the requested infos to Palm, but as far as I know, it wasn't ftred at all
May 31 19:23:50 <Roy-Pre101> Bah, I need to finish some apps and publish them.
May 31 19:24:02 <MetaView> my too
May 31 19:24:04 <MetaView> :)
May 31 19:24:48 <swisstomcat> me too
May 31 19:24:53 <swisstomcat> have two new apps in the queue
May 31 19:25:35 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: you said you installed the skin but had problems with it?
May 31 19:26:08 <Roy-Pre101> Yeah, it doesn't work with my wiki editor browser plugin thing
May 31 19:27:00 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 31 19:27:07 <swisstomcat> looks ok otherwise?
May 31 19:27:53 <MetaView> What's the cheapest price one can set int the catalog?
May 31 19:28:17 <swisstomcat> ping haeffb
May 31 19:29:54 <MetaView> and will suspended apps be removed fro mthe own list anytime soon?
May 31 19:30:06 <swisstomcat> i don't think so
May 31 19:30:19 <MetaView> hm, they clutter up the list...
May 31 19:30:50 <swisstomcat> i hope they really work on the app catalog/app portal when they get more resources
May 31 19:30:53 <swisstomcat> lots to do
May 31 19:31:01 <MetaView> yes
May 31 19:31:07 <swisstomcat> many bugs
May 31 19:31:19 <swisstomcat> almost no improvements so far
May 31 19:31:21 <MetaView> swisstomcat: btw. we are europe now :p
May 31 19:31:33 <swisstomcat> hmm? we?
May 31 19:31:54 <MetaView> ESC :)
May 31 19:32:00 <swisstomcat> oh
May 31 19:32:08 <swisstomcat> i didn't really follow that
May 31 19:32:25 <MetaView> me neither, but read about on sunday morningh
May 31 19:33:36 <MetaView> someone resigned, should listen to the news
May 31 19:33:47 <swisstomcat> who cares about germany? :)
May 31 19:33:52 <MetaView> Koehler resigned?
May 31 19:33:58 <MetaView> well, me :)
May 31 19:35:42 <swisstomcat> thiesFX won the palmspot video contest
May 31 19:35:47 <swisstomcat> isn't he german?
May 31 19:37:41 <MetaView> don't know, wasn't in the BILD paper :)
May 31 19:38:40 <swisstomcat> haha
May 31 19:39:41 <MetaView> bbl
May 31 19:48:48 <swisstomcat> metaview: "I just ousted @horstkoehler as the mayor of Bundesrepublik Deutschland on @foursquare!"
May 31 20:41:20 <JenP> hi all!
May 31 20:47:27 <swisstomcat> hi jenp
May 31 20:47:37 <JenP> hi swisstomcat
May 31 20:47:41 <JenP> happy memorial day
May 31 20:47:50 <swisstomcat> not observed here :)
May 31 20:47:57 <swisstomcat> who here has played with YQL?
May 31 20:48:05 <JenP> not i
May 31 20:48:28 <MetaView> swisstomcat: hehe #4sq
May 31 20:48:40 <MetaView> YQL?
May 31 20:48:55 <swisstomcat> http://developer.yahoo.com/yql/guide/running-chapt.html
May 31 20:49:48 <MetaView> I'm not interested in cats :D
May 31 20:50:05 <swisstomcat> you can query rss feeds with it, which i'm interested in
May 31 20:52:36 <joetweeply> saw the example app from the webos book?
May 31 20:54:06 <BigBiff> happy memorial day webosiers
May 31 20:54:17 <JenP> to you too
May 31 20:54:41 <BigBiff> did you get ur sql rockin?
May 31 20:55:58 <JenP> yes!
May 31 20:56:09 <BigBiff> excellent
May 31 20:56:19 <JenP> haeffb is such a great teacher...
May 31 20:56:29 <BigBiff> yes
May 31 20:56:45 <JenP> how's your app going?
May 31 20:57:08 <BigBiff> I really haven't done much on it in awhile
May 31 20:57:35 <JenP> today gonna be a programming day for you?
May 31 20:57:50 <BigBiff> it works great for me though :-)
May 31 20:57:53 <BigBiff> nah
May 31 20:58:17 <BigBiff> smokin some ribs
May 31 20:58:46 <BigBiff> one of these days I'm gonna send my app to you and haefb
May 31 20:59:11 <JenP> lol
May 31 20:59:17 <BigBiff> to get some help makin it look purty
May 31 21:00:06 <BigBiff> maybe I'll try and distribute it at some point
May 31 21:00:13 <BigBiff> :-)
May 31 21:02:16 <swisstomcat> i'm off, good night
May 31 21:02:23 <JenP> nite
May 31 21:02:27 <swisstomcat> yql works :)
May 31 21:02:38 <JenP> woot
May 31 21:06:21 <BigBiff> is haeffb here? hows the butt?
May 31 21:06:47 <JenP> havent seen him
May 31 21:07:08 <BigBiff> probly chowin down
May 31 21:07:28 <BigBiff> you workin today JenP ?
May 31 21:07:36 <JenP> nope
May 31 21:07:45 <BigBiff> good!
May 31 21:07:51 <JenP> but got plenty of honey-do's
May 31 21:08:17 <BigBiff> for your honey or for you?
May 31 21:08:27 <JenP> both
May 31 21:08:31 <BigBiff> hehe
May 31 21:09:06 <JenP> but i'm not working so it's a great day
May 31 21:09:22 <BigBiff> that's why I like smokin food. gets me off the hook for other chores
May 31 21:36:05 <haeffb> removed the butt from the smoker yesterday at 11pm (it went in at 8am). Wrapped it in foil, put it in a cooler until this morning, then pulled it this morning. Tasty.
May 31 21:36:11 <haeffb> oops.
May 31 22:09:16 <Tibfib> is there a "play default notification sound" function?
May 31 22:09:33 <Tibfib> or more of, play set notification sound?
May 31 22:12:29 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Sure, just make us hungry.
May 31 22:13:37 <haeffb> 	//Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification("alerts", "");
May 31 22:14:24 <haeffb> Roy-Pre101: not my fault you didn't think to put a pork butt in the smoker yesterday morning.
May 31 22:14:42 <Roy-Pre101> True, true.
May 31 22:14:48 <Tibfib> haeffb: there we go, couldn't find the right section in the docs and the search is useless of course
May 31 22:15:08 <Tibfib> thanks
May 31 23:21:14 <Tibfib> 'select * from table order by column desc limit 1' is a valid sqlite statement right?
Jun 01 01:20:05 <reality9110> Got a CSS question.  If I have a div, and an <a><img></a><img> inside it, how can I target just the img inside of the <a> tags?
Jun 01 01:20:22 <reality9110> #div a img ?
Jun 01 01:20:46 <reality9110> http://webos.pastebin.com/gXQsg3Nn  Is an example of it.
Jun 01 01:20:51 <halfhalo> I think so…. but then again, css is not my strong suit
Jun 01 01:22:22 <reality9110> I hope so
Jun 01 01:23:01 <zsoc> arrrrrrrggggghhhhhh
Jun 01 01:23:23 <zsoc> i mean, hello all.
Jun 01 01:23:53 <reality9110> Yes yes...sure you did.
Jun 01 01:24:08 <reality9110> zsoc: You decent with css?
Jun 01 01:24:19 <zsoc> reality9110: sure
Jun 01 01:24:32 <reality9110> If I have a div, and an <a><img></a><img> inside it, how can I target just the img inside of the <a> tags?  Is it #div a img ?
Jun 01 01:24:50 <zsoc> sounds right
Jun 01 01:24:59 <zsoc> or you could style or id the img tag i think
Jun 01 01:25:07 <reality9110> Yeah, it looks like it's working.  I just don't want to update it and then have it screw up.
Jun 01 01:25:33 <reality9110> That's kind of a pain because it's always updated.  Ads.
Jun 01 01:25:34 <egaudet> How can I get a notification scene to put text into the active card stage's focused text field?
Jun 01 01:25:59 <zsoc> egaudet: oil doesnt know? i need to go poke fun at him..
Jun 01 01:26:15 <egaudet> I don't know, oil do you know? :D
Jun 01 01:26:33 <zsoc> egaudet: trigger a method in that scene's assistant that does a .innerHTML?
Jun 01 01:26:36 <reality9110> I need a program that I can send an ajax request and receive the output from it.
Jun 01 01:26:58 <egaudet> zsoc, how?  I want to put it into any random app's textfield
Jun 01 01:27:05 <egaudet> not my own scene
Jun 01 01:27:16 <zsoc> oh
Jun 01 01:27:20 <zsoc> i don't think that's possible
Jun 01 01:27:24 <zsoc> copy and paste? :D
Jun 01 01:28:06 * halfhalo really needs to learn how to do dashboard stages
Jun 01 01:29:44 <reality9110> window.Mojo.Controller.stageController.topScene().get('thisiswheretheproblemis')...
Jun 01 01:36:39 <Tibfib> egaudet: you might be able to do something like this.controller.getAppController().getStageController('cardstagename').activeScene().doSomething("newText") ?
Jun 01 01:36:47 <Tibfib> :D
Jun 01 01:37:17 <Tibfib> the .activeScene() part on is where I'm unsure of the best path to go.
Jun 01 01:37:23 <egaudet> the stage controller keeps coming back undefined :(
Jun 01 01:37:33 <zsoc> define it
Jun 01 01:37:36 <Tibfib> even if you do it how I showed?
Jun 01 01:37:44 <Tibfib> this.controller.getAppController().getStageController('cardstagename')
Jun 01 01:38:13 <reality9110> Tibfib: I think that will only work within the same app.
Jun 01 01:38:25 <reality9110> Because this.controller is within the same app
Jun 01 01:38:26 <egaudet> yeah, and I don't know the stagename
Jun 01 01:38:35 <Tibfib> Oh, working on virtual keyboard?
Jun 01 01:38:39 <egaudet> I tried the window.Mojo.Controller.stageController but that is undefined
Jun 01 01:38:41 <egaudet> Tibfib, yes
Jun 01 01:38:48 <egaudet> long overdue work
Jun 01 01:38:58 <Tibfib> hah oops. wouldn't have suggested that then.
Jun 01 01:39:35 <egaudet> And I really wish I knew how to use sendKeyDownAndUpEvents()
Jun 01 01:39:51 <Tibfib> egaudet: are you still willing to hellp add the virtual keyboard to my chat app?
Jun 01 01:39:59 <Tibfib> (later, not now)
Jun 01 01:40:03 <egaudet> yes
Jun 01 01:40:05 <halfhalo> silly chat apps
Jun 01 01:40:12 <halfhalo> thinkin their better than everyone else
Jun 01 01:40:26 <egaudet> (although with the new implementation I'm working on it might just work fine)
Jun 01 01:41:08 <Tibfib> egaudet: built-in would still be more elegant
Jun 01 01:45:58 <halfhalo> makin a new webservice
Jun 01 01:46:03 <halfhalo> it shall be shiny
Jun 01 01:46:43 <halfhalo> And modular since I'm to lazy to start from the ground up right now
Jun 01 02:43:40 <dawm_> oooooh
Jun 01 02:43:46 <dawm_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036EH3WK/ref=s9_simh_gw_p74_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=088B1X7M4GZ4FTS8WEXV&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846
Jun 01 02:43:58 <dawm_> LOST collection on BR
Jun 01 02:44:31 <Tibfib> hah it comes jacob's game
Jun 01 02:44:36 <Tibfib> err... mib's
Jun 01 02:51:24 <Tibfib> man, bad sentence. I meant: hah it comes with jacob/mib's game
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