**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 01 02:59:57 2010
Jun 01 03:50:24 <Tibfib> So i've got a dilemma. I have a global refresh function that needs to go off every XX seconds. I need the handler function to go with the new content to be different with every scene. How should I do it? Global function in app-assistant? then delegate to scene assistant the function?
Jun 01 03:53:07 <Tibfib> Anyone know how to pass parameters with delegateToSceneAssistant()?
Jun 01 03:55:17 <Tibfib> nvm, think I found it.
Jun 01 04:23:18 <Tibfib> Crap, REALLY?
Jun 01 04:23:46 <Tibfib> how could I set an interval in app-assistant without going through the palm alarm system?
Jun 01 04:23:57 <Tibfib> can't do it with window...
Jun 01 04:24:16 * Tibfib should stop trying to get responses, everyone is dead.
Jun 01 04:24:40 * halfhalo is watching tv
Jun 01 04:26:51 <Tibfib> the palm alarm system seems overkill for a function running every 1-60 seconds
Jun 01 04:43:40 <egaudet> Tibfib, timeout
Jun 01 04:44:24 <Tibfib> egaudet: what do you mean?
Jun 01 04:44:29 <egaudet> setTimeout
Jun 01 04:44:35 <egaudet> in the handler just set it again
Jun 01 04:44:48 <Tibfib> window.setInterval doesn't work in app-assistnat
Jun 01 04:44:50 <Tibfib> I don
Jun 01 04:44:55 <egaudet> but setTimeout does
Jun 01 04:45:01 <Tibfib> Oh really>
Jun 01 04:45:09 <Tibfib> that's _odd_
Jun 01 04:45:09 <egaudet> I'm pretty sure yeah
Jun 01 04:45:19 <Tibfib> Is your app multi-stage?
Jun 01 04:45:40 <Tibfib> Err duh it is if it has app-assistant... testing it now.
Jun 01 04:45:49 <egaudet> I did it when testing wirc stuff, which has noWindow: true
Jun 01 04:46:00 <egaudet> and you get an error when trying to use setInterval
Jun 01 04:46:03 <egaudet> but setTimeout worked fine
Jun 01 04:47:39 <Tibfib> weird crap.
Jun 01 04:47:53 <Tibfib> it works though, thanks. You saved me a lot of effort
Jun 01 04:48:01 <egaudet> np
Jun 01 06:08:32 <Tibfib> whoa!!! when did my forum color change! I feel special now :D
Jun 01 06:09:54 <geist> grats?
Jun 01 06:10:44 <halfhalo_pre> adgjl
Jun 01 06:10:48 <Tibfib> well I thought it was cool...
Jun 01 06:11:29 <halfhalo_pre> I have a cool color for my notebookreview forum username.  bright green. makes me happy
Jun 01 06:12:47 <halfhalo_pre> I want an orange username
Jun 01 06:14:10 <halfhalo_pre> ninja
Jun 01 06:14:26 <Tibfib> wait a sec. It says I've been "special" since July... :O
Jun 01 06:14:37 <halfhalo_pre> ha
Jun 01 06:15:02 <Tibfib> I didn't know that. it seems less cool now :/
Jun 01 06:15:09 <halfhalo_pre> lol
Jun 01 06:15:41 <halfhalo_pre> I has nbr to call home for forums. you should join it
Jun 01 06:16:10 * Tibfib has absolutely no idea what that means.
Jun 01 06:16:22 <halfhalo_pre> notebookreview
Jun 01 06:16:32 <halfhalo_pre> big notebook site
Jun 01 06:16:38 <halfhalo_pre> with forums
Jun 01 06:17:51 <Tibfib> oh. I understand now. It's definitely past my bedtime. It
Jun 01 06:18:05 <Tibfib> it is taking me a while to get things :/
Jun 01 06:18:06 <halfhalo_pre> I will give you a cookie if you guess my nbr username
Jun 01 06:18:29 <Tibfib> halfhalo!
Jun 01 06:18:38 <halfhalo_pre> nope
Jun 01 06:18:43 <halfhalo_pre> not anymore
Jun 01 06:19:03 <Tibfib> Patrick
Jun 01 06:19:06 <halfhalo_pre> although I thought I banned that name so noone took it
Jun 01 06:19:10 <halfhalo_pre> ah damn
Jun 01 06:19:30 <Tibfib> are you a mod?
Jun 01 06:19:39 <halfhalo_pre> supermod
Jun 01 06:19:42 <Tibfib> heh
Jun 01 06:19:57 <halfhalo_pre> tis what I do
Jun 01 06:20:05 <halfhalo_pre> tis awesome forums
Jun 01 06:20:17 <halfhalo_pre> *shameless plug*
Jun 01 06:23:48 <Tibfib> I'll check em out when I'm in the market for a new lappy
Jun 01 06:24:18 <halfhalo_pre> you better
Jun 01 06:25:42 <Tibfib> O.o http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/qualcomm-ships-first-dual-core-snapdragon-chipsets-clocking-1-2g/
Jun 01 06:26:07 <halfhalo_pre> lulz
Jun 01 06:26:12 <halfhalo_pre> sleep time nao
Jun 01 07:05:42 <HotDP> Good morning
Jun 01 07:07:51 <Tibfib> good night
Jun 01 07:30:54 <HotDP> I need some kind of "timer" like in . NET where i can have a event triggered every fx. 10 sec. How is that possible?
Jun 01 09:21:06 <HotDP> Is it possible to put a label on top of an image?
Jun 01 10:00:11 <Mongin> HotDP, yes
Jun 01 10:01:28 <HotDP> how :) when i do it in Ares i can't see it. like it is "behind" the image
Jun 01 10:32:57 <HotDP> warpdesign_ you there?
Jun 01 12:33:59 <warpdesign_> HotDP, yep
Jun 01 12:36:25 <HotDP> warpdesign_ , great. Can you tell me what i am doing wrong? Got a panal with and image, and a label there. But when i look at the "level" layout i seems that they are on same "level"
Jun 01 12:42:26 <HotDP> i don't wonna use a panel with background image...
Jun 01 12:43:21 <haeffb_pre> can you change the z-index in ares?
Jun 01 12:43:59 <haeffb_pre> if not, change the css class and change the z-index for the class
Jun 01 12:47:57 <HotDP> I dont see the Z-index anywhere in Ares? can that be right?
Jun 01 12:49:51 <haeffb_pre> what about CSS class for the label?
Jun 01 12:50:11 <HotDP> I can try to make one, havent used CSS yet in Ares
Jun 01 12:50:21 <HotDP> But if is the only way guess i have to do it
Jun 01 12:51:13 <HotDP> I have to add a css, reference to it in index html and add it on the widget right?
Jun 01 12:52:11 <haeffb_pre> does ares not include a .css file for your app?
Jun 01 12:52:30 <haeffb_pre> but_ right
Jun 01 12:55:12 <HotDP> I don' think so ? :S I would like it was a property just like color and other stuff.. think its strange
Jun 01 13:01:47 <HotDP> "Plane specifies what z-axis plane a widget or panel is on, similar to z-index in CSS. This is used to place specified widgets or panels in the foreground, while other widgets scroll behind, for example."
Jun 01 13:05:15 <HotDP> So i guess i use Plane.. if they have keeped the "z-index" name i would have known it
Jun 01 13:07:56 <HotDP>  I need some kind of "timer" like in . NET where i can have a event triggered every fx. 10 sec. How is that possible?
Jun 01 13:17:23 <haeffb_pre> setInterval() or setTimeout()
Jun 01 13:18:48 <HotDP> lol
Jun 01 13:18:59 <HotDP> i did not know it was so easy, thanks
Jun 01 13:51:03 <HattCzech_work> morning
Jun 01 13:51:12 <HotDP> Hello HattCzech
Jun 01 14:43:58 <Roy-Pre101> HotDP: You have to manually create a stylesheet in Ares and add it to the index.html.
Jun 01 14:44:04 <Roy-Pre101> Not sure why they don't make one for you.
Jun 01 15:06:14 <HotDP> Roy-Pre101 , i found this in documentation: "Plane specifies what z-axis plane a widget or panel is on, similar to z-index in CSS. This is used to place specified widgets or panels in the foreground, while other widgets scroll behind, for example."
Jun 01 16:15:42 <Tibfib> Howdy chuqui!
Jun 01 16:15:46 <chuqui> morning!
Jun 01 16:20:56 <Tibfib> would it be bad practices to start using 10+ cookies in my app?
Jun 01 16:21:23 <Megatherium> Probably. What are the cookies for.
Jun 01 16:21:25 <Megatherium> ?*
Jun 01 16:22:27 <Tibfib> I need a way to keep track of a number for each room in my chat app
Jun 01 16:22:36 <Tibfib> my solution just doesn't seem to be working.
Jun 01 16:23:04 <Megatherium> Well, if it works...
Jun 01 16:23:07 * Megatherium shrugs.
Jun 01 16:23:39 <Tibfib> I'll have to get it to work without cookies later.
Jun 01 16:23:52 <Tibfib> oh well. Why do today what you can do tomorrow right?
Jun 01 16:24:05 <Megatherium> Indeed.
Jun 01 16:30:14 <LoneStar99> morning everyone
Jun 01 16:30:40 * Megatherium mumbles something about needing more coffee.
Jun 01 16:36:34 <rkcr> So this seems like a stupid question but...  if all I want to do is display a sentence in the middle of the screen (vertically), how do I do that?
Jun 01 16:36:46 <rkcr> I can center it just fine horizontally but vertically doesn't work so well.
Jun 01 16:38:36 <Tibfib> vertical-align: middle ?
Jun 01 16:39:12 <Tibfib> yeah that should be it. http://w3schools.com/css/pr_pos_vertical-align.asp
Jun 01 16:39:58 <rkcr> Not quite.  :P
Jun 01 16:40:23 <rkcr> The problem is that it aligns the text to the middle of its container but setting the container's height to 100% doesn't actuall ymake it extend to the entire screen.
Jun 01 16:40:54 <Tibfib> try setting the height to this.controller.window.innerHeight in javascript
Jun 01 16:41:33 <LoneStar99> anyone know the shortcut for screenshot on the device?
Jun 01 16:41:33 <egaudet_work> 100% depends on the position as well
Jun 01 16:41:46 <egaudet_work> 100% relative to a 48px height div is 48px
Jun 01 16:41:58 <rkcr> Tibfib: Yeah that would probably work, but it seems depressing to me that you can't center something vertically any easier.
Jun 01 16:42:19 <egaudet_work> position: fixed; height: 100%   should span entire screen
Jun 01 16:42:52 <rkcr> Hmm, let me try that.
Jun 01 16:44:50 <rkcr> Hmm, the div has the full height, but I can't get the text to align middle in it anyways.  :/
Jun 01 16:45:00 <rkcr> <div style="position: fixed; height: 100%; left: 0; top: 0; background: red;"><div style="vertical-align: middle">Test</div></div>
Jun 01 16:45:52 <BigBiff_> vert-align seems to always prove problemmatic
Jun 01 16:47:50 <BigBiff_> haeffb: curious to know about the butt - delish?
Jun 01 16:48:17 <egaudet_work> if vertical-align won't work, throw a 50% margin on top of that text div
Jun 01 16:48:36 <LoneStar99> does anyone have an itunes problem crashing palm sync?
Jun 01 16:48:48 <egaudet_work> or try line-height
Jun 01 16:49:23 <BigBiff_> i never 'sync'
Jun 01 16:49:48 <LoneStar99> BigBiff:  how do you get stuff out of your palm device?
Jun 01 16:50:01 <BigBiff_> i dont :-P
Jun 01 16:50:47 <LoneStar99> f-cking itunes automatically loads, killing my palm sync
Jun 01 16:50:52 <BigBiff_> i do know that itunes gums up everything
Jun 01 16:51:09 <BigBiff_> it's evil
Jun 01 16:51:13 <rkcr> egaudet_work: Well, I can fake centering by putting a line-height that puts it roughly in the center.  But that doesn't seem to be a sustainable method.  :P
Jun 01 16:51:19 <rkcr> Everything else doesn't work.
Jun 01 16:51:31 <BigBiff_> rkcr: is the div in a list row?
Jun 01 16:51:37 <rkcr> No.
Jun 01 16:51:40 <BigBiff_> ahh
Jun 01 16:53:10 <rkcr> Also, line-height only works if I have one line of text...  :(
Jun 01 16:53:18 <rkcr> (And I have two)
Jun 01 16:53:26 <BigBiff_> doh
Jun 01 16:53:29 <rkcr> Man, why is this so freaking hard.
Jun 01 16:53:55 * BigBiff_ still has bruises on head from 'styling' simple things
Jun 01 16:54:07 * BigBiff_ no likey css
Jun 01 16:55:17 <LoneStar99> need to use "usb mode" if not itunes kills the pre driver
Jun 01 16:56:08 <BigBiff_> just proves that steve jobs hates webos
Jun 01 16:56:44 <BigBiff_> its a conspiracy
Jun 01 16:57:42 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 01 16:57:44 <BigBiff_> is there still a pre-supported itunes?
Jun 01 16:57:59 <BigBiff_> 'hacked' pre supported
Jun 01 16:59:17 <BigBiff_> nope
Jun 01 16:59:32 <BigBiff_> i guess they shut that down finally
Jun 01 17:03:07 <egaudet_work> rkcr: display: table-cell
Jun 01 17:03:34 <LoneStar99> BigBiff_: the USB foundation voted against Palm, since Palm was using Apple's unique ID, or something like that
Jun 01 17:04:24 <rkcr> egaudet_work: Used how?
Jun 01 17:05:16 <egaudet_work> <div style="display: table-cell; height: 480px; vertical-align: middle">Centered Text</div>
Jun 01 17:05:38 <rkcr> Ah, but then I have to assume a certain height, don't I?
Jun 01 17:05:48 <rkcr> I guess I would have to set the height via JS using that method.
Jun 01 17:07:24 <egaudet_work> rkcr: well you can try the height: 100% but not sure if it will work
Jun 01 17:07:57 <egaudet_work> vertical-align won't do anything unless it's a table-cell though (or it's an image for example and the text will be aligned around it)
Jun 01 17:08:17 <rkcr> I see, thanks.
Jun 01 17:10:38 * BigBiff_ sucks at pressure washing more than css
Jun 01 17:10:52 <BigBiff_> how the hell do you not leave marks on the deck!?!?
Jun 01 17:10:52 * Tibfib hates css
Jun 01 17:11:09 <BigBiff_> i need to open up a pressure washing channel
Jun 01 17:13:30 <lyht> what is the best way to call the app catalog and one of my apps from a button in my demo app?
Jun 01 17:13:47 <lyht> I had a little text and a link that pulled it up, but I think a button would be better.
Jun 01 17:14:08 <lyht> can I just call the link from the button? Is there a quick an easy way to do that?
Jun 01 17:14:21 <Rick_work> use an image of the button and make it a link.
Jun 01 17:14:50 <lyht> However, I also want to call the link from a dialog box that gives them the choice to upgrade to the full version.
Jun 01 17:15:13 <ekpyr> good morning guys
Jun 01 17:15:20 <Rick_work> or, use a regular palm button and then call the app catalog  app from it with the url of the app -- go look at the source for preware,
Jun 01 17:15:31 <Rick_work> preware does exactly what you want for palm apps.
Jun 01 17:15:38 <lyht> ah... yes. preware does that...
Jun 01 17:15:57 <lyht> morning ekpyr
Jun 01 17:22:23 <ekpyr> g'mornin lyht
Jun 01 17:25:06 <Nyceane> hey chuqui, are you here?
Jun 01 17:25:16 <chuqui> nope. nbody here by that name
Jun 01 17:25:25 <halfhalo_T400> oreary
Jun 01 17:25:35 <Nyceane> ol
Jun 01 17:25:36 <Nyceane> lol
Jun 01 17:25:46 <Nyceane> i just sent a rejection request for com.pascharllc.pickupsports
Jun 01 17:25:57 <Nyceane> would you please look into it, it seems like GPS didnt work well =-|
Jun 01 17:26:28 <halfhalo_T400> ewww
Jun 01 17:26:28 <halfhalo_T400> gps
Jun 01 17:26:35 <chuqui> nyceane drop me an email. I'll forward it to the review team
Jun 01 17:26:40 <Nyceane> thanks
Jun 01 17:28:37 <Nyceane> just did
Jun 01 17:30:28 <Nyceane> thanks chuq, i pushed the app at 2am
Jun 01 17:30:34 <Nyceane> hopefully they didnt roll it in yet
Jun 01 17:35:41 <Nyceane> its one of those areas where i m scared of customer complaining =-| lol
Jun 01 17:36:30 <Nyceane> is it possible that GPS coordinate just gives undefined?
Jun 01 17:36:40 <Nyceane> the app works fine on emulator
Jun 01 17:37:22 <chuqui> yeah, I think it is.
Jun 01 17:37:46 <Nyceane> I'll just let them enter it manually errrr...
Jun 01 17:39:11 <Nyceane> whats a good way to gurantee a gps coordinate?
Jun 01 17:39:34 <halfhalo_T400> check the output?
Jun 01 17:39:39 <chuqui> yeah.
Jun 01 17:39:56 <Nyceane> no, i mean out of getCurrentPosition
Jun 01 17:40:05 <Nyceane> responsetime : 5?
Jun 01 17:40:27 <chuqui> sometimes the response can be slow. (I haven't worked much with teh GPS stuff. better to ask for details in the forums)
Jun 01 17:40:53 <chuqui> (I need to do more programming and less answering developer's email...)
Jun 01 17:40:54 <halfhalo_T400> heh.. I should play with it, but I haven't yet
Jun 01 17:40:55 <chuqui> (ducking)
Jun 01 17:41:48 * halfhalo_T400 throws a duck
Jun 01 17:43:26 <Nyceane> ok, its not using wireless tower for sure
Jun 01 17:44:01 <Nyceane> i m just wondering if palm returns the cell tower's location
Jun 01 17:45:58 <Nyceane> thanks chuq
Jun 01 17:46:12 <Nyceane> btw, I've gotten an interview about bunch of crappy apps that I made on palm and got into palm hot apps
Jun 01 17:46:25 <Nyceane> the purpose is to draw more attentions to developers into palm
Jun 01 17:47:51 <halfhalo_T400> wabbit
Jun 01 17:48:19 <Nyceane> well, i m making a good app right now but the GPS don't work =-|
Jun 01 17:48:32 <Nyceane> i spent all my memorial day weekend on cranking this app, it has no ads
Jun 01 17:48:41 <halfhalo_T400> I'm in class.  and bored
Jun 01 17:51:17 <halfhalo_T400> I need to start building the basis of superapp again
Jun 01 17:51:44 <Tibfib> halfhalo: you should email me your file uploading .js and .php files (removing database information of course)
Jun 01 17:53:02 <Tibfib> I learn by samples. Not great at figuring things out by myself (especially with the poor docs)
Jun 01 17:53:15 <Nyceane> hey guys, since I don't have a pre I can't test
Jun 01 17:53:21 <Nyceane> what do GPS coordinate send?
Jun 01 17:53:34 <Nyceane> when  your gps is not available
Jun 01 17:53:54 <halfhalo_T400> I would.. if I had em
Jun 01 17:53:54 <halfhalo_T400> they were in an xampp setup on the hd that died
Jun 01 17:55:42 <Nyceane> can anybody help me to test my app? =-|
Jun 01 17:56:34 <Tibfib> ok thats cool. Anyone willing to share their .php file for using the download manager update function?
Jun 01 17:58:37 <Nyceane> hey chuqui, is there anyway i can update my web publish?
Jun 01 17:58:52 <Nyceane> I mean, i submitted into app catalog
Jun 01 17:59:02 <Nyceane> but now I can't update my web version anymore
Jun 01 17:59:18 <chuqui> what's stopping you? error?
Jun 01 17:59:29 <Nyceane> no, i can't update it anymore
Jun 01 18:00:04 <Nyceane> the only option available for Distribution Method is App Catalog
Jun 01 18:00:42 <Nyceane> i just made a quickfix for accuracy = 2 and responseTime = 3
Jun 01 18:00:46 <Nyceane> instead of both being 1
Jun 01 18:00:59 <chuqui> hmm.
Jun 01 18:01:08 <chuqui> drop me an email with a screen shot. I'll have it looked at
Jun 01 18:02:13 <lyht> Rick_work: not that you care, but I found if I call open on the applicationManager, passing the link in the target parameter, it should work to open the app catalog on my app.
Jun 01 18:02:47 <Rick_work> yep, that should work.
Jun 01 18:02:56 <Rick_work> and I DO care, I am always trying to learn new things.
Jun 01 18:03:54 <halfhalo_T400> well
Jun 01 18:03:59 <halfhalo_T400> that was fun
Jun 01 18:04:44 <Nyceane> chuqui, just sent you email with screen shot
Jun 01 18:08:01 <chuqui> thanks
Jun 01 18:09:04 <halfhalo_T400> me wants js services!
Jun 01 18:10:03 <Nyceane> yw
Jun 01 18:10:54 <halfhalo_T400> only thing stopping me from rewriting mah apps is knowing that I have to rewrite them with services anyways
Jun 01 18:12:44 <warpdesign> hi
Jun 01 18:13:23 <halfhalo_T400> hello
Jun 01 18:14:05 <warpdesign> anyone knows what's the "PHYSICAL RINGER SWITCH" ?
Jun 01 18:14:21 <halfhalo_T400> the.. physical switch?
Jun 01 18:14:30 <halfhalo_T400> on top ofthe pre?
Jun 01 18:14:38 <warpdesign> well, don't have a pre, don't know
Jun 01 18:14:47 <warpdesign> but it seems it's supposed to turn off sound ?
Jun 01 18:14:53 <halfhalo_T400> yup
Jun 01 18:15:14 <warpdesign> I guess it's not automatic: there's a way to know if it's turned on/off ?
Jun 01 18:15:28 <halfhalo_T400> no idea
Jun 01 18:15:37 <warpdesign> cause users are complaining about the fact my app doesn't turn sound off when this switched is activated
Jun 01 18:15:48 <warpdesign> but I didn't even know there was such a switch
Jun 01 18:21:47 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign: All apps behave that way, AFAIK
Jun 01 18:24:23 <lyht> warpdesign: There is a vibrate only switch on the top of the pre. However, that switch is design to turn of the ringer, not the system sounds or music or anything else. Some apps like the camera watch the switch and go silent, but most dont.
Jun 01 18:26:50 <Rick_work> but it's very easy to watch it.  Simply set an event listener on it and don't make noise when it's set.
Jun 01 18:38:02 <swisstomcat> evening
Jun 01 18:41:52 <swisstomcat> whoa, almost 10k of moo downloads in just 4 days
Jun 01 18:43:24 <HattCzech_work> nice, swisstomcat... is that because it's a featured app? :)
Jun 01 18:43:29 <swisstomcat> probably
Jun 01 18:43:54 <HattCzech_work> that's why i want mine to be featured :/
Jun 01 18:44:28 <swisstomcat> don't know what i did to make it featured tho
Jun 01 18:45:04 <lyht> I think it is random.
Jun 01 18:45:20 <lyht> I think someone just goes
Jun 01 18:45:27 <lyht> "I like this one... lets make it featured."
Jun 01 18:46:11 <swisstomcat> cool
Jun 01 18:54:00 <warpdesign> lyht: ok, thanks for the info !
Jun 01 19:18:51 <thynctank> anyone know if it's possible to mimic the page up/down gestures in a WebView at this point?
Jun 01 19:22:23 <thynctank> ah just came across useLandscapePageUpDown method, hopefully that still works
Jun 01 19:28:15 <thynctank> awesome, works great!
Jun 01 19:28:30 <thynctank> later, folks!
Jun 01 19:45:40 <Famic> how can I make my background "fixed", i.e. not draggable vertically within my app scene ?
Jun 01 19:46:08 <joetweeply> does css not work?
Jun 01 19:46:10 <lyht> this.controller.pushScene({name: "first", disableSceneScroller: true });
Jun 01 19:47:10 <Famic> great, thanks lyht :)
Jun 01 19:47:24 <swisstomcat> yup, that works
Jun 01 19:47:51 <Famic> any way to have it for all scenes, perhaps ?
Jun 01 19:48:19 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Jun 01 19:48:31 <Famic> k
Jun 01 19:50:05 <Famic> is it a good approach when developping a game to make it work in a web page and then split up view/js for webos ?
Jun 01 19:50:51 <joetweeply> i'd say that depends on the game
Jun 01 19:51:25 <Famic> what do you think would be the relevant criterias to base the choice on ?
Jun 01 19:52:26 <joetweeply> well say it is a moving game... and has a certain frame rate... you could do better to customize it on the device for proper frame rate
Jun 01 19:52:45 <joetweeply> also screen resolution could be a point
Jun 01 19:53:06 <joetweeply> then event handling... this works differently on the device than in the browser
Jun 01 19:53:29 <joetweeply> especially the device specific stuff like the acceleration
Jun 01 19:55:43 <Famic> I sure would be in trouble trying to make use of the acceleration in a web page ;)
Jun 01 19:56:00 <joetweeply> so it totally depends on the game
Jun 01 19:56:11 <joetweeply> simple card game should not matter how you do it
Jun 01 19:56:50 <Famic> sounds good enough :]
Jun 01 19:57:21 <Famic> I think I'm gonna import jquery for the purpose. I love it too much. That's a pity mojo is based on prototype instead of it
Jun 01 19:57:40 <joetweeply> then again... if you customize it to the device... the individual gaming experience could win on that
Jun 01 19:58:01 <swisstomcat> i've seen some games here that used jquery
Jun 01 19:59:04 <joetweeply> i really like the canvas for games
Jun 01 19:59:23 <Famic> joetweeply: sure thing. I'm just familiarizing myself with the device here, so I'll stick to something basic for now
Jun 01 19:59:51 <Famic> just making sure I can make use of my webdev skills in that environment
Jun 01 19:59:55 <swisstomcat> i've used canvas for one "game" and just html and css transitions for another one
Jun 01 20:00:34 <Famic> btw, how do you handle the screen rotating ? is it an event listener that changes the stylesheet ?
Jun 01 20:00:41 <joetweeply> my first game was canvas based... second and third, currently in development, are canvas too
Jun 01 20:01:04 <swisstomcat> famic: pretty much
Jun 01 20:01:08 <joetweeply> yup, for me it's event listener and different graphics
Jun 01 20:02:06 <Famic> so how do you go about changing the stylesheet then ? :D or maybe your stylesheet.css has both versions depending on a main container's class ?
Jun 01 20:02:45 <joetweeply> i don't use stylesheets for my graphics... just containers handling their own settings
Jun 01 20:03:18 <swisstomcat> famic: you could change the styles on rotation
Jun 01 20:05:09 <Famic> I've read we could decompile .ipk files... I think reverse engeneering some apps would be quite instructive. Would you happen to know how to do so ?
Jun 01 20:05:40 <joetweeply> there is a great article on game development on developer.palm.com
Jun 01 20:05:52 <joetweeply> you can even download the source code... helped me a lot
Jun 01 20:06:29 <Famic> really? I didn't find much more than the "hello world" and the api guide :/
Jun 01 20:06:56 <joetweeply> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1987&Itemid=20
Jun 01 20:07:13 <joetweeply> enjoy
Jun 01 20:07:32 <MetaView> hi
Jun 01 20:07:39 <joetweeply> evening
Jun 01 20:07:57 <MetaView> evening, yes
Jun 01 20:08:19 <Famic> joetweeply: thanks. Actually I've read a bit of that already, it just seemed too canvas oriented for me. I'll give it a second shot, though ;)
Jun 01 20:08:44 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how long a content update usually takes?
Jun 01 20:08:57 <MetaView> 3 or 4 days?
Jun 01 20:09:01 <HattCzech_work> i know we just went through a holiday weekend, but i thought it would be quick...
Jun 01 20:09:01 <MetaView> workdays
Jun 01 20:09:05 <joetweeply> well it helped me with my arcade game so give it a try
Jun 01 20:09:08 <HattCzech_work> well, poo
Jun 01 20:09:15 <LoneStar99> Famic: have you tried the code samples that come with the SDK?
Jun 01 20:09:28 <MetaView> Famic: what do you try to do?
Jun 01 20:09:29 <HattCzech_work> maybe i'll just cancel it and submit my real update with more localization
Jun 01 20:09:53 <Famic> LoneStar99: yeah, but that seems to be only widget examples
Jun 01 20:09:57 <MetaView> don't cancel it
Jun 01 20:10:01 <MetaView> it will take ages
Jun 01 20:10:02 <HattCzech_work> no?
Jun 01 20:10:08 <HattCzech_work> ohhh, even more poo
Jun 01 20:10:09 <MetaView> no
Jun 01 20:10:30 <LoneStar99> Famic: what type of app u trying to develop?
Jun 01 20:10:30 <swisstomcat> hi metaview
Jun 01 20:10:33 <MetaView> cancel takes even more time then submit, reject or submit accept
Jun 01 20:10:36 <LoneStar99> hi swisstomcat
Jun 01 20:10:37 <HattCzech_work> i submitted on friday (noticed it when i had submitted by first update), but had to wait until that got published
Jun 01 20:10:37 <MetaView> hi swisstomcat
Jun 01 20:10:49 <Famic> LoneStar99: I'm making a MasterMind
Jun 01 20:11:01 <MetaView> for free?
Jun 01 20:11:26 <swisstomcat> hi lonestar
Jun 01 20:11:28 <MetaView> my gf is looking for a free mastermind, there is only  0.99 version
Jun 01 20:11:43 <Famic> seems easy enough for a first test, plus I'd enjoy playing it in the subway now and then ;)
Jun 01 20:11:49 <MetaView> I told her to write it, as mastermind is quite an easy task
Jun 01 20:12:02 <Famic> I'll probably make it free, yeah
Jun 01 20:12:05 <MetaView> if you do it, I tell her to wait :)
Jun 01 20:12:26 <Famic> do you know the name of the actual one ?
Jun 01 20:12:31 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: is the featured list getting you closer to the top 20?
Jun 01 20:12:32 <MetaView> Code breaker
Jun 01 20:12:35 <joetweeply> i'd like that too
Jun 01 20:12:54 <swisstomcat> hattczech: i can't tell because hotapps is not updated :(
Jun 01 20:13:06 <HattCzech_work> what's your current download count?
Jun 01 20:13:06 <MetaView> how much downloads the last days?
Jun 01 20:13:12 <swisstomcat> 10k
Jun 01 20:13:14 <swisstomcat> 4 days
Jun 01 20:13:22 <MetaView> 10k in 4 days? not bad
Jun 01 20:13:32 <Famic> mine is already looking better, I'd say ;D
Jun 01 20:13:33 <swisstomcat> probably a lot of updates tho
Jun 01 20:13:39 <HattCzech_work> my estimate was that the top 20 was ~100k downloads
Jun 01 20:13:44 <MetaView> my best makes 400 / day and for this it stays at #82
Jun 01 20:14:03 <swisstomcat> right now i'm at 2000-2500 per day
Jun 01 20:14:12 <swisstomcat> but that will probably go back down to 200 at some point
Jun 01 20:14:15 <MetaView> should move you up
Jun 01 20:14:26 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: if it stays at that rate, you could hit top 20
Jun 01 20:14:32 <HattCzech_work> but it would have to stay at that rate
Jun 01 20:14:33 <swisstomcat> it won't stay at that rate
Jun 01 20:15:12 <HattCzech_work> ahh well
Jun 01 20:15:27 <MetaView> I wonder how you made it into the ftr list
Jun 01 20:15:28 <HattCzech_work> at least free music ringtones won't get the $10k :) hahah
Jun 01 20:15:56 <HattCzech_work> (because that developer already has the flashcards app in the paid top 20)
Jun 01 20:16:33 <MetaView> is it only one app per category?
Jun 01 20:16:43 <MetaView> I thought it is for each app, the money
Jun 01 20:16:54 <HattCzech_work> no, but you can't get more than one prize in the top 20
Jun 01 20:17:12 <Nyceane> swisstomcat, are you here?
Jun 01 20:17:16 <Nyceane> or Roy-Pre101
Jun 01 20:17:20 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 01 20:17:26 <Nyceane> do you guys want to be interviewed by Wire?
Jun 01 20:17:37 <Roy-Pre101> Nyceane: Yo.  What's up?
Jun 01 20:17:46 <Nyceane> Roy-Pre101, do you want an interview from Wire?
Jun 01 20:17:48 <swisstomcat> nyceane: why not?
Jun 01 20:17:50 <Nyceane> WIRED?
Jun 01 20:18:03 <swisstomcat> regarding?
Jun 01 20:18:08 <Nyceane> ok, can you guys give me your emails, he wants another pre programmer's experiece
Jun 01 20:18:08 <Roy-Pre101> Sure, about what?
Jun 01 20:18:19 <Roy-Pre101> pre101@pre101.com is my e-mail
Jun 01 20:18:21 <Nyceane> about our life of programming palm pre =)
Jun 01 20:18:26 <swisstomcat> mleut@yahoo.com
Jun 01 20:18:28 <Nyceane> ok, i'll forward the information
Jun 01 20:18:45 <swisstomcat> cool
Jun 01 20:18:45 <Rick_work> Rick@boatrights.com
Jun 01 20:20:56 <HattCzech_work> hattczech@gmail.com
Jun 01 20:21:16 <HattCzech_work> (bit late to the party, sorry... i was on the phone)
Jun 01 20:21:19 <MetaView> what's this?
Jun 01 20:21:42 <HattCzech_work> e-mail party for being interviewed by wired
Jun 01 20:22:05 <halfhalo_T400> Party?
Jun 01 20:22:08 <halfhalo_T400> I like parties....
Jun 01 20:23:22 <HattCzech_work> "... and I like to party"
Jun 01 20:24:23 * MetaView is trying to install patches on his gf's Pre, at least WOSQI doesn't work
Jun 01 20:26:09 <Famic> you sure it's Wired ? He said Wire hehe
Jun 01 20:26:13 <HattCzech_work> MetaView: what did you do wrong? :)
Jun 01 20:26:30 <MetaView> no clue
Jun 01 20:26:31 <Rick_work> metaview, use preware
Jun 01 20:26:47 <MetaView> I was able to install my birthday patch twice without error
Jun 01 20:26:50 <halfhalo_T400> Ewww
Jun 01 20:26:53 <halfhalo_T400> Preware
Jun 01 20:26:55 <MetaView> and preware did show it 2 times
Jun 01 20:27:06 <MetaView> was even able to remove it 2 times :)
Jun 01 20:27:09 <HattCzech_work> yeah, i'd say preware has better patch install/removal
Jun 01 20:27:15 <MetaView> installing using Preware worked
Jun 01 20:27:21 <Famic> is it safer to install patches through preware or webOSQuickInstall ?
Jun 01 20:27:27 <HattCzech_work> preware
Jun 01 20:27:51 <HattCzech_work> i use wosqi as a last resort for patches
Jun 01 20:28:02 <HattCzech_work> it works... just cleaner through preware
Jun 01 20:28:11 <MetaView> trying ubercalendar using wosqi again
Jun 01 20:28:13 <halfhalo_T400> I just yell at my pre
Jun 01 20:28:19 <Famic> good to know
Jun 01 20:29:12 <Famic> I'll remove my patches and reinstall through preware, I might stop having unexpected luna reboot
Jun 01 20:29:22 <MetaView> no
Jun 01 20:29:26 <MetaView> probably not :)
Jun 01 20:29:51 <swisstomcat> newer preware version should't cause luna reboots or background services disappearing anymore
Jun 01 20:29:53 <Famic> does it mean luna reboot are usual for everybody ?
Jun 01 20:30:21 <swisstomcat> i didn't have them for a while
Jun 01 20:30:27 <Famic> lol
Jun 01 20:30:47 <swisstomcat> no more background services disappearing either
Jun 01 20:31:05 <MetaView> no luna reboots without using preware :)
Jun 01 20:32:31 <Famic> I also had a charging bug today
Jun 01 20:32:36 <Nyceane> hey swisstomcat, are you in U.S?
Jun 01 20:32:44 <swisstomcat> no, europe
Jun 01 20:32:52 <warpdesign> swisstomcat: got your private messages ?
Jun 01 20:32:53 <Famic> the pre was on my touchstone... I took it and the charging icon stayed there
Jun 01 20:33:06 <swisstomcat> which ones, warpdesign?
Jun 01 20:33:07 <halfhalo_T400> Zat does happen sometimes
Jun 01 20:33:10 <Famic> had to make a full reboot to have it back to normal
Jun 01 20:33:12 <HattCzech_work> Famic: depends on what you install :)
Jun 01 20:33:25 <Famic> it seems it was even charging anymore when on the touchstone
Jun 01 20:33:34 <warpdesign> swisstomcat: ready for some testing ?
Jun 01 20:33:51 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 01 20:34:01 <Nyceane> Roy-Pre101, are you in U.S?
Jun 01 20:34:01 <Famic> HattCzech_work: I install high level patches I'd say... like battery in percent, 4x4 icons, etc
Jun 01 20:34:16 <Nyceane> i know HattCzech_work is in texas =-)
Jun 01 20:34:59 <Roy-Pre101> Nyceane: yep
Jun 01 20:35:00 <HattCzech_work> Nyceane: correct
Jun 01 20:35:24 <HattCzech_work> Famic: those shouldn't cause too many problems
Jun 01 20:35:37 <HattCzech_work> i know some of the optware stuff may cause issues :)
Jun 01 20:36:21 <HattCzech_work> Nyceane: quit stalking me
Jun 01 20:36:25 <MetaView> HattCzech_work: and I thought you were from Czech?
Jun 01 20:36:41 <Famic> dunno which one could... perhaps it's not the patches but the apps, like terminal/openssh or myflashlight that seem to add some libs to the system
Jun 01 20:36:48 <HattCzech_work> nah, been there a couple times, but not from there... my grandfather is :)
Jun 01 20:37:12 <HattCzech_work> i know ezipupdate has some problems when rebooting
Jun 01 20:37:15 * halfhalo_T400 is from SoCal.  Win
Jun 01 20:37:25 <HattCzech_work> but i like that one... wish it wouldn't cause problems :/
Jun 01 20:37:33 <Nyceane> me to, halfhalo, were u at the socal palm pre meeting?
Jun 01 20:37:36 <Nyceane> i was sick and couldnt go
Jun 01 20:37:45 <halfhalo_T400> Nah
Jun 01 20:38:01 <halfhalo_T400> Can't be arsed to drive in all that traffic to get there and back right now
Jun 01 20:39:13 <LoneStar99> anyone created custom dropdown menus?
Jun 01 20:40:30 <MetaView> custom dropdown menus?
Jun 01 20:41:11 <LoneStar99> yeah, for example: user clicks on an icon and a dropdown menu is provided...
Jun 01 20:41:33 <MetaView> Roy-Pre101: didn't you want to send me a mail about Soccer's help screen? :)
Jun 01 20:41:51 <MetaView> yes, isn't hard
Jun 01 20:41:57 <HattCzech_work> yeah
Jun 01 20:42:10 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: Maybe?
Jun 01 20:42:16 <LoneStar99> anyone know how to parse a local json file instead of one from the cloud?
Jun 01 20:42:32 <MetaView> use a local URL
Jun 01 20:42:47 <MetaView> file:/// should work, or?
Jun 01 20:43:55 <LoneStar99> MetaView: what does a a local URL look like?  "file:///app/assistants/files/json/this.json" ??
Jun 01 20:44:55 <MetaView> there is some Mojo for the app path, wait
Jun 01 20:45:31 <LoneStar99> ok
Jun 01 20:47:59 <MetaView> Mojo.appPath
Jun 01 20:48:33 <MetaView> give it a try and call an ajax request qith the file-url
Jun 01 20:48:49 <LoneStar99> MetaView: ok thanks,  will check it out, need to go for a jog, before the water starts pouring down
Jun 01 20:48:57 <MetaView> ok
Jun 01 20:49:47 <Megatherium> Rain? In June?
Jun 01 20:50:14 <LoneStar99> yeah Texas
Jun 01 20:50:26 <LoneStar99> brb
Jun 01 20:50:45 <Megatherium> You guys seem to get the worst of everything, weatherwise. Heat, hurricanes, flash floods, etc.
Jun 01 20:52:47 <LoneStar99> yeah,
Jun 01 21:01:09 <HattCzech_work> but there's good food :)
Jun 01 21:01:48 <HattCzech_work> and good looking women (but that very much depends on location)
Jun 01 21:17:54 <Rick_work> We had rain this morning too.  Severe clear now.
Jun 01 21:17:57 <Rick_work> Typical Kansas
Jun 01 21:18:48 <halfhalo_pre> it's supposed to be 80 tomorrow
Jun 01 21:18:56 <halfhalo_pre> and 90 on thurs
Jun 01 21:22:36 * halfhalo_pre is bored.  what a shocker
Jun 01 21:29:09 <Rick_work> 85 dewpoint 67,  hot.  Humid, Icky.
Jun 01 21:48:16 <warpdesign> good night everyone
Jun 01 21:48:17 <swisstomcat> night everyone
Jun 01 21:48:26 <Rick_work> night
Jun 01 21:58:40 <MetaView> New beta app submitted: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.metaviewsoft.soccer2010beta
Jun 01 22:07:40 <Sedorox> Does anyone know if there is an easy way to switch between palm profiles, or do I have to do a 'wipe'?
Jun 01 22:09:19 <Mousey> i miss bluetoothing contacts/apps/calendar events between palm devices =(
Jun 01 22:46:06 <Sedorox> nm, i just wiped
Jun 01 22:48:22 <zsoc|away> Mousey: you can email contacts as vcfs
Jun 01 22:48:36 <Mousey> but calendar events, moar importante!
Jun 01 22:48:48 <Mousey> syncml would be nice, but head out of the clouds pls Mousey
Jun 01 22:50:01 <zsoc|away> share google calenders
Jun 01 22:52:45 <Mousey> what if i already have a calendaring system that i like moar than googles?
Jun 01 22:52:56 <Mousey> and plus, f giving google my info
Jun 01 22:52:59 <haeffb> be assimilated anyway
Jun 01 22:53:00 <Mousey> call me paranoid
Jun 01 22:53:05 <Mousey> =(
Jun 01 22:53:14 <Mousey> i didn't really wanna get into all this
Jun 01 22:53:53 <Mousey> i'm resigned to the fact that only tons of money, time, or talent i don't have will solve all my problems
Jun 01 22:53:55 <haeffb> what are the chances of a homebrew app enabling all that thru wifi?
Jun 01 22:54:28 <haeffb> like, for instance, adding transfer of appointments over wifi to Agenda?
Jun 01 22:54:29 <Mousey> that'd be nice. syncML would abstract interfaces tho
Jun 01 22:54:47 <Mousey> aaand open up xfering between apps
Jun 01 22:55:08 <haeffb> Agenda could add them to your calendar
Jun 01 22:55:20 <haeffb> just need to get the wifi transfer part
Jun 01 22:56:04 * haeffb doesn't even know if that's theoretically possible given todays API limitations
Jun 01 22:56:40 * haeffb supposes you could always send the info to a cloud server & back down 
Jun 01 22:58:14 <zsoc|away> i imagine the obstacle is bluetooth profile support, unless you were referring to an alternate method of transfer
Jun 01 23:00:50 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: you around?
Jun 01 23:01:00 <chuqui> nope. not here. not at all.
Jun 01 23:01:16 <HattCzech_work> how do we get "didn't download" reviews removed?
Jun 01 23:01:34 <zsoc|away> HattCzech_work: make your app download better, duh
Jun 01 23:01:49 <HattCzech_work> hahah, i'll see what i can do ;)
Jun 01 23:01:50 <chuqui> I handle those as part of my normal moderation of reviews. no need to warn me, I look for them.
Jun 01 23:01:55 * HattCzech_work rubs hands together
Jun 01 23:01:57 * HattCzech_work snaps
Jun 01 23:02:00 <HattCzech_work> and done
Jun 01 23:02:26 * zsoc|away now knows what chuq's job is
Jun 01 23:02:27 <HattCzech_work> okay, then just a heads up on on of mine :)
Jun 01 23:03:04 <HattCzech_work> on one*
Jun 01 23:08:20 <haeffb> zsoc|away: wifi ??
Jun 01 23:55:59 <halfhalo> Ok, this is pissing me off
Jun 01 23:56:05 <halfhalo> my php page is timing out
Jun 01 23:56:13 <halfhalo> Theres like 6 lines on the damn page
Jun 02 00:09:33 <Sedorox> so is it usual for the secure erase to lock up?
Jun 02 01:24:44 <haeffb> Tybee Island, GA or Murrel's Inlet, SC for vacation?
Jun 02 01:25:19 <JenP> hi all
Jun 02 01:25:20 <halfhalo> Is there a choice C?
Jun 02 01:25:32 <haeffb> Yo, JenP: I ask you as well: Tybee Island, GA or Murrel's Inlet, SC for vacation?
Jun 02 01:25:45 <haeffb> halfhalo: Lake Michigan
Jun 02 01:26:09 <JenP> island
Jun 02 01:26:10 <haeffb> I will take alternate suggestions as well
Jun 02 01:26:27 <JenP> san diego!
Jun 02 01:26:29 <haeffb> they're both sorta islandish, but not really
Jun 02 01:26:52 <halfhalo> Mexico!
Jun 02 01:26:54 <haeffb> san diego may be too far west. within 2 days drive time of MO
Jun 02 01:26:59 <halfhalo> Everyone loves mexico!
Jun 02 01:27:07 <haeffb> my spanish isnt' good enough
Jun 02 01:27:08 <JenP> not i
Jun 02 01:27:25 <haeffb> although, I do know the difference between el nino and la nina
Jun 02 01:27:54 <haeffb> Lake Michigan is half the distance of A or B
Jun 02 01:28:21 <haeffb> the plan was Gulf Shores, AL, but that's been downgraded to "not this year"
Jun 02 01:29:17 <haeffb> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=tybee+island&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Tybee+Island,+GA&gl=us&ei=t5cFTMOfLpCG8wSJisSoBw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ8gEwAA
Jun 02 01:36:48 <JenP> oh i like the island! go there
Jun 02 01:38:20 <haeffb> Savannah is really cool as well
Jun 02 01:40:04 <haeffb> Paula Deen's restaurant...
Jun 02 01:48:29 <reality9110> haeffb: What are you looking to do?
Jun 02 01:49:42 <haeffb> take a week off from work.
Jun 02 01:49:57 <reality9110> I mean on your stay
Jun 02 01:50:05 <haeffb> beyond that, I don't care so much. But going with (extended) family, so...
Jun 02 01:50:22 <haeffb> sit on the beach a couple of days
Jun 02 01:50:22 <reality9110> Navarre Beach, Florida.
Jun 02 01:50:35 <zsoc> yawn
Jun 02 01:50:48 <reality9110> No better place to sit on a beach
Jun 02 01:51:05 <haeffb> 'cept for tarballs in July
Jun 02 01:51:35 <reality9110> Longshore current will keep it going the other way
Jun 02 01:52:46 <haeffb> we had/have reservations in Gulf Shores
Jun 02 01:52:50 <haeffb> but looking to move
Jun 02 01:53:39 <reality9110> I'm telling you, Navarre.  There are places there where you can literally walk a mile or two down the beach and not run into anybody
Jun 02 01:54:39 <reality9110> You can rent a massive beach home as well.
Jun 02 01:55:13 * Megatherium would like a massive beach home.
Jun 02 01:55:59 <reality9110> Megatherium: Start developing and get a popular app.
Jun 02 01:56:46 <haeffb> we're looking at a 7-br place on Murrel's Inlet in July
Jun 02 01:57:16 <Megatherium> reality9110: Not likely, you can never guarantee a hit app.
Jun 02 01:57:41 <reality9110> haeffb: How much?
Jun 02 01:57:46 <reality9110> Like what's your budget?
Jun 02 01:58:01 <reality9110> Megatherium: You can if you have an idea of what people want.
Jun 02 01:58:38 <Megatherium> Who knows?
Jun 02 01:58:43 * Megatherium shrugs.
Jun 02 02:00:13 <reality9110> People with popular apps.  :-)
Jun 02 02:01:20 <haeffb> $5k
Jun 02 02:01:21 <Megatherium> I suppose so.
Jun 02 02:02:36 * oil wishes he had a popular app :)
Jun 02 02:02:59 <reality9110> haeffb: including airfare?
Jun 02 02:03:11 <haeffb> driving
Jun 02 02:03:31 <reality9110> haeffb: Then check out vrbo.com
Jun 02 02:03:37 <haeffb> wirc would be popular if you'd fix that date thing
Jun 02 02:03:41 <reality9110> You can get a huge place for $3k
Jun 02 02:03:58 <oil> haha
Jun 02 02:14:43 <haeffb> woohoo. back in the top 221 http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=com.tigers.app.done
Jun 02 02:15:22 <reality9110> Damnit.  Dropped to 15
Jun 02 02:15:24 <BigBiff> way to go
Jun 02 02:15:37 <reality9110> Arrrgh.  I need to get this update out
Jun 02 02:15:49 <haeffb> need to get the other one back up 20 spots
Jun 02 02:16:33 <reality9110> I'll be irritated if I don't stay in the top 21
Jun 02 02:16:48 <reality9110> Especially because the contest was supposed to be over yesterday
Jun 02 02:16:54 <haeffb> good point
Jun 02 02:17:12 <Megatherium> Which app are you the developer of?
Jun 02 02:17:16 <reality9110> RadioTime
Jun 02 02:17:27 * oil used it a few times
Jun 02 02:17:41 <reality9110> The new update is pretty nice.
Jun 02 02:17:48 <reality9110> Adds some new things
Jun 02 02:17:57 <haeffb> not my station...
Jun 02 02:18:01 <haeffb> :)
Jun 02 02:18:02 <reality9110> And has a UI update
Jun 02 02:18:12 * reality9110 kicks haeffb
Jun 02 02:18:20 <haeffb> ouch
Jun 02 02:18:37 <haeffb> ok, it's not RadioTime's fault
Jun 02 02:18:55 * oil votes for it being haeffbs fault
Jun 02 02:18:55 <haeffb> it's microsoft/radio stations fault
Jun 02 02:19:01 <Megatherium> I really wish I could buy a contractless Pixi Plus.
Jun 02 02:19:04 * Megatherium sighs.
Jun 02 02:19:14 <haeffb> you can...just pay ETF
Jun 02 02:19:57 <oil> ebay
Jun 02 02:20:11 * haeffb would like to be in top 20 of paid apps...
Jun 02 02:20:35 <haeffb> ...but without the work/creativity that it takes to get there
Jun 02 02:20:51 * oil wishes homebrew counted xD
Jun 02 02:21:11 <oil> but the free grand ill be getting will be nice
Jun 02 02:30:15 <rolsworth> was the competition successful you think?
Jun 02 02:32:30 <LoneStar99> rolsworth: not sure, if it lured more developers...
Jun 02 02:32:44 <LoneStar99> guessing only palm knows
Jun 02 02:33:02 <BigBiff> well the catalog DID get bigger....
Jun 02 02:33:26 <Megatherium> My guess is that what'll really lure developers in the long run is the announcement of a new Palm phone or internet tablet.
Jun 02 02:33:28 <BigBiff> even with the palm uncertainty, so it had to work on some level
Jun 02 02:33:52 <BigBiff> microphone access...
Jun 02 02:33:54 <rwhitby> Megatherium: you can buy a contractless GSM Pixi Plus from Germany ...
Jun 02 02:34:24 <rolsworth> i wonder ho wmany apps android had after the first year
Jun 02 02:34:43 <JenP> Megatherium: why Pixi and not Pre?
Jun 02 02:35:14 <Megatherium> JenP: Because I prefer the keyboard feel and build quality. (I've tried both, courtesy of friends who own them)
Jun 02 02:36:03 * haeffb watching Black Eyed Peas The E.N.D
Jun 02 02:36:17 <LoneStar99> microphone access!
Jun 02 02:36:20 <JenP> ah...idk i liked the Pre so much better.
Jun 02 02:36:22 <BigBiff> wow, you do need a vacation
Jun 02 02:37:04 <BigBiff> microphone - i need a true tuner app
Jun 02 02:37:31 * BigBiff no idea how you would create that
Jun 02 02:37:32 <haeffb> not thru personal choice...
Jun 02 02:37:51 <haeffb> where's the love, y'all?
Jun 02 02:37:53 * BigBiff always vacations in destiin
Jun 02 02:38:02 <zsoc> webOS has microphone access if Palm would put Alsa (and pulseaudio/gstreamer) on the whitelist for pdk apps
Jun 02 02:38:09 <zsoc> everyone send them an email ;)
Jun 02 02:38:19 <haeffb> you write it, I'll send it
Jun 02 02:38:30 <zsoc> heh, they've heard plenty from me
Jun 02 02:38:32 <BigBiff> sign my name on there
Jun 02 02:38:48 <Roy-Pre101> Tibfib: Hey, why not shoot me a beta of your app!
Jun 02 02:40:14 <LoneStar99> sign me up for microphone access
Jun 02 02:40:19 <reality9110> I like the Pixi better personally
Jun 02 02:40:29 <BigBiff> wow - alot of math involved with a tuner
Jun 02 02:40:33 <BigBiff> out of my league
Jun 02 02:40:35 <zsoc> Zcorder works as a pdk app
Jun 02 02:40:53 <zsoc> heck, you can use the api if you like
Jun 02 02:42:19 <Megatherium> Someone agrees with me, at least.
Jun 02 02:46:42 <egaudet> any way to get orientation events in a notification stage?
Jun 02 02:53:53 <reality9110> What's the command to take a screenshot in 1.4.X?
Jun 02 02:54:16 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Don't know, but that'd be good to document on webos101.com. :D
Jun 02 02:54:26 <reality9110> Yeah
Jun 02 02:57:03 <reality9110> Roy-Pre101: Orange button, Sym, P
Jun 02 02:57:56 <Roy-Pre101> hah, thought you meant programatically.
Jun 02 02:58:02 <Roy-Pre101> I knew that one.
Jun 02 02:58:08 <reality9110> Damn
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