**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 02:59:56 2010 Jun 07 03:00:13 yeah. pretty fast there this month Jun 07 03:18:48 http://github.com/5v3n/Komodo-add-ons Jun 07 03:46:46 wow i have absolutely no eye for style Jun 07 03:46:54 neither do i Jun 07 03:46:58 decided to try and code tonight Jun 07 03:47:09 but I found YUI for tabs Jun 07 03:47:11 that's all that's left - making it look like something Jun 07 03:47:14 and I'm happy Jun 07 03:47:25 YUI? Jun 07 03:47:37 yahoo user interface Jun 07 03:47:40 for full websites Jun 07 03:47:47 ahh Jun 07 03:48:44 i can make an app function - barf up info - that's about it Jun 07 03:50:41 whee, doctor'ed my phone and now it won't boot :/ Jun 07 03:51:11 :( Jun 07 03:51:24 probably just need to reboot :-p Jun 07 03:51:35 jk - that stinks Jun 07 03:52:05 yep, pulling the battery Jun 07 03:52:06 well, the new pre should be out s... o wait Jun 07 03:52:29 oh Jun 07 03:52:39 I pulled the cover off and it finished booting instead of restarting again Jun 07 03:52:42 I think I scared it Jun 07 03:52:47 hehe Jun 07 03:53:16 it scares me when i pull the cover off - i think rats are living in there - it's diiiirty Jun 07 03:53:52 like it's been on a jeep ride through the Sahar Jun 07 03:53:53 a Jun 07 03:54:33 ok, back to staring at my unstylish app Jun 07 04:11:03 * drewp finally dealing with the lost images of feb/march by digging through phone backups from then :( Jun 07 04:13:31 hi all Jun 07 04:21:35 hi JenP Jun 07 04:28:18 hi BigBiff_ Jun 07 04:28:26 how's your night ging? Jun 07 04:28:40 eh - going ok Jun 07 04:29:21 cool Jun 07 04:31:25 anyone know how to properly use Mojo.View? i'm trying to get something to popup on the screen using it Jun 07 04:31:47 never tried it Jun 07 04:32:43 or any other way to make something popup? like a thickbox for websites? Jun 07 04:32:51 (but using palm's style) Jun 07 04:34:47 you could just create a div - animate it's z-index from -10 to 10 or whatever Jun 07 04:35:06 my pre hangs after the first "palm" boot screen even after webos-doctor, any idea what could be damaged? Jun 07 04:35:10 to simple? Jun 07 04:35:26 simplistic i should say Jun 07 04:35:47 BigBiff_: do you have an example of that? Jun 07 04:35:48 hucksy: i had something kind of like that, and i was able to connect with novaterm during that phase. I found various gdb processes running Jun 07 04:36:01 i messed with that once - lemme see Jun 07 04:36:07 thanks Jun 07 04:36:28 drewp: when i connect via novaterm, there is only a "debugshell" Jun 07 04:39:12 Mojo.Animation.animateStyle( Jun 07 04:39:53 i'll paste - i had a div entering from the left Jun 07 04:39:53 hucksy: sounds much worse! perhaps doctor didnt finish correctly Jun 07 04:40:07 hmm Jun 07 04:40:14 and it was an overlay? Jun 07 04:40:18 ya Jun 07 04:40:20 cool Jun 07 04:40:22 that may work Jun 07 04:42:11 http://www.pastie.org/994562 - that's the jist of it anyway.. Jun 07 04:42:24 you can do alot with that Jun 07 04:42:36 alot of options, i mean Jun 07 04:42:58 later Jun 07 04:43:03 but, the bigger the div, the shakier the animation Jun 07 04:43:56 actually, that was the wrong one - that took it back off Jun 07 04:44:12 numbers shouldve been reversed Jun 07 04:46:14 looking at it now Jun 07 04:46:24 post on the forum made me think.. Jun 07 04:47:15 it should be possible to set id's in a list with id=#{-someIdFieldInArrayofListItmes}, right? Jun 07 04:48:18 yeah Jun 07 04:48:47 that does show my info,,, but may not be what i'm looking for... Jun 07 04:49:01 do you know if you can popup a submenu with div content? Jun 07 04:49:55 you should be able to animate the z-index, though - i just dont remember Jun 07 04:50:03 in other words, fake a submenu Jun 07 04:50:40 hmmm Jun 07 04:50:53 i believe the stylematters app does that Jun 07 04:51:03 animates z-index Jun 07 04:55:26 mojomatters Jun 07 05:00:55 i'm wrong - no z-index, but it should be possible Jun 07 05:01:27 i'm trying to figure out what will work best Jun 07 05:22:55 i wish palm would allow me to respond to some of these reviews in the app catalog Jun 07 05:23:29 although i think i might vent too much on some of them Jun 07 06:13:06 HattCzech: omg i know Jun 07 06:13:45 you know? Jun 07 06:13:55 oh... haha, yeah Jun 07 06:15:07 a 0-star rating/comment I have: "RIPOFF ARTISTS DOESN't WORK AT ALL. SCUM!" Jun 07 06:15:24 uhhh, oooookkkk. you wanna email support instead so maybe i can FUCKING HELP YOU? Jun 07 06:15:26 asstard Jun 07 06:15:55 works for everyone else doucher. move to a city where there are things happening, and my app will work Jun 07 06:15:57 (iBored) Jun 07 06:17:24 hehehe yeah Jun 07 06:17:44 "Not one fuckin person got a message. Boooo this app." Jun 07 06:17:54 uhhh...? did you hit send? Jun 07 06:17:55 EMAIL SUPPORT! Jun 07 06:17:56 fuckers. Jun 07 06:18:00 indeed Jun 07 06:18:21 (it pushes the message to Messaging, so i'm thinking they didn't hit send again) Jun 07 06:18:38 here's a good one... 0-stars... "W" Jun 07 06:18:57 ...? is this from the creators of the other group sms apps or something? seriously Jun 07 06:19:19 another one... "; Hey :)" (0-star) Jun 07 06:19:57 anyone know how to update a commandmenu? Jun 07 06:21:57 lol Jun 07 06:22:11 what od you mean? Jun 07 06:22:20 like disable a button type of update? Jun 07 06:22:27 yeah Jun 07 06:22:29 just change the model and tell the controller a model is changed Jun 07 06:22:40 something similar to "noticeUpdatedItems" Jun 07 06:22:54 i tried Jun 07 06:23:03 this.controller.modelChanged(this.myAppMenuModel); Jun 07 06:23:08 says no watchers found Jun 07 06:23:14 i guess i need to add one? Jun 07 06:23:35 erm no Jun 07 06:23:57 i didn't think so, but it's complaining Jun 07 06:24:07 hm Jun 07 06:24:40 you're not creating a new model right, just updating the 'items' right? Jun 07 06:25:17 yup Jun 07 06:25:58 weird Jun 07 06:26:06 indeed Jun 07 06:32:22 well, kinda figured it out Jun 07 06:37:46 urg, now another issue Jun 07 06:38:08 i can't label a commandmenu with the numbers 1-9 or 11 Jun 07 07:34:40 Good morning Jun 07 08:39:29 Hello swisstomcat Jun 07 08:49:27 morning Jun 07 09:58:13 bbl Jun 07 11:12:01 rehi Jun 07 11:12:47 rehi ? Jun 07 11:12:54 Like in hi again? :) Jun 07 11:14:51 yeah Jun 07 11:17:49 Good to learn something new Jun 07 11:19:18 Does a update of an app take as long as the first time you add the app ? Jun 07 11:21:52 apparently Jun 07 11:22:01 i did a description update and it took 2 days Jun 07 11:22:07 same for the app update Jun 07 11:24:52 Oki, my App submit took 7 days Jun 07 11:25:20 I made my update friday so hope its there tomorrow. Jun 07 11:25:31 7 days? that's long Jun 07 11:25:39 Maybe they dont like me :( Jun 07 11:25:46 the lastest few updates of my apps all took 2 days Jun 07 11:25:55 How long ago is that? Jun 07 11:26:57 approx. 1 week Jun 07 11:26:58 max 2 Jun 07 11:27:08 Strange then. Jun 07 11:27:17 And sad Jun 07 11:29:45 yeah, strange Jun 07 12:43:42 hey guys... running palm-inspector seems to only work for the emulator, but running palm-worm happily finds my pre attached over USB. Any idea how i can get the inspector to also see the Pre? (i'm running on mac btw) Jun 07 12:49:28 hi Jun 07 12:50:03 liebrand: is the inspector supposed to run for apps on the pre? Jun 07 12:50:44 swisstomcat: not sure what you mean, but it should allow me to inspect my app, which works on the emulator, but i want to inspect my app as it runs on the phone, not on the emulator Jun 07 12:56:09 liebrand: i'm not sure if you can inspect apps that run on the phone Jun 07 12:56:45 swisstomcat: well palm-worm can run for apps on the phone, so clearly the link is there... oh well... i'll tinker a bit more, thanks Jun 07 12:57:34 "The Palm Inspector allows examination of the DOM of an application running on the emulator. " Jun 07 12:57:38 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1611 Jun 07 12:58:09 it seems that it only supports the emulator Jun 07 12:58:19 thanks... my point was more that in theory it should be able to work, since palm-worm can do it as well (even though that too claims it would not work)... Jun 07 12:58:24 yeah Jun 07 12:58:29 what do you want to inspect? Jun 07 12:59:12 my app :-) Jun 07 12:59:22 what part of it? :) Jun 07 14:19:37 hi Jun 07 14:19:43 i'm using libjpeg that are linked at Jun 07 14:19:44 http://opensource.palm.com/1.4.2/index.html Jun 07 14:19:52 but I'm getting imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c: In function 'void my_dst_mgr_init(jpeg_compress_struct*)': Jun 07 14:19:52 imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c:69: error: invalid conversion from 'void*' to 'my_dst_mgr*' Jun 07 14:19:52 imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c:75: error: invalid conversion from 'void*' to 'JOCTET*' Jun 07 14:19:59 :/ Jun 07 14:20:09 someone undestand that? hehe Jun 07 14:22:46 hi Jun 07 14:23:11 where are you using that ... pdk app? Jun 07 14:23:32 yeah Jun 07 14:23:36 hi Jun 07 14:24:29 i'm trying heh Jun 07 14:25:17 you have to ask another pdk user :) Jun 07 14:25:19 or in #webos-internals Jun 07 14:54:56 bbl Jun 07 15:44:42 hey chuqui: i've got some reviews for my app that i'd like you to look over... Jun 07 15:44:50 (good morning, btw) Jun 07 15:49:24 good morning... Jun 07 15:49:46 drop me a note on them, I'll look into them. Jun 07 15:52:50 alrighty... pdc@palm.com ? Jun 07 16:15:26 moin Jun 07 16:22:40 mornin Jun 07 16:22:47 g'mornin Jun 07 16:28:53 chuqui: you around? Jun 07 16:29:15 um... maybe? Jun 07 16:30:50 haha Jun 07 16:31:05 chuqui: i'm pm'ing you Jun 07 16:31:52 another app approved... [dance] Jun 07 16:32:33 gotcha Jun 07 16:33:55 MetaView, when did you submit it? Jun 07 16:34:21 last week Jun 07 16:34:31 MetaView: what app? Jun 07 16:34:36 4th june Jun 07 16:35:03 i did an emergency update on june 4th Jun 07 16:35:07 havnt got approved yet Jun 07 16:35:15 oh, the date shows june 5th Jun 07 16:35:45 it's Soccer2010 which was for 1 week in the beta feeds, it has an online leaderboard with grouping fior countries, interesting the fact, that I see almost no French ppl Jun 07 16:36:19 but Palm sells the Pre in France, or? Jun 07 16:36:20 ahhh yeah, i remember you talking about that Jun 07 16:36:51 look at these numbers: http://www.metaviewsoft.de/Soccer2010/ Jun 07 16:37:31 many US, many DE, some CA, some GB and some MX Jun 07 16:37:34 but no FR Jun 07 16:38:18 I'm not good at soccer 2010....but I do enjoy it :-) Jun 07 16:39:57 the next version will be in 3d right? Jun 07 16:41:20 4D, I guess :) Jun 07 16:41:47 you could charge extra for the glasses Jun 07 16:42:53 wifi it to new 3d tv Jun 07 16:45:07 well, the idea isn't that bad... Jun 07 16:45:37 I wonder how the guy on 1st rank made 51 scores in 90 seconds... Jun 07 16:46:01 really? Jun 07 16:46:08 really Jun 07 16:46:20 or he altered the app Jun 07 16:46:48 or he's on the space station - time does move slower there Jun 07 16:47:09 that's it, he moves very fast, close to lightspeed ;) Jun 07 16:47:17 yes **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 18:28:14 2010 Jun 07 18:40:55 hi all Jun 07 18:41:07 is this also the place to ask question about palm quick install ? Jun 07 18:44:03 mmm, that might be more webos-internals Jun 07 18:52:32 HattCzech: how did you end up dealing with your menu? Jun 07 18:52:51 or popup thing Jun 07 18:53:58 Famic, there's a good post in the forums on custom buttons if you haven't seen it yet Jun 07 19:10:29 anyone know how to get the emulator's networking to work behind a firewall that requires http proxy? Jun 07 19:12:30 Not at this point but you could add your request here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4732&start=0 Jun 07 19:12:49 that sounds tricky Jun 07 19:12:50 I heart websockets Jun 07 19:13:22 lemketron, thanks Jun 07 19:13:27 * BigBiff knows nothing about websockets Jun 07 19:13:52 basically.. real time data connection between browser and server Jun 07 19:17:14 BigBiff: an example is here: real time irc client i'm working on using node.js and websockets: I have a local node.js server at home that instantiates an irc client for every client that connects to it. Still writing the browser interface though http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client.html Jun 07 19:17:28 oh, only chrome works with it right now Jun 07 19:17:35 since it has websocket support Jun 07 19:23:58 parsing irc is a pain Jun 07 19:26:27 BigBiff: still haven't completely figured it out Jun 07 19:26:45 i'm able to generate the menu, i just need to work on overlaying it and setting up controls properly Jun 07 19:26:56 but sadly, real work is taking over :/ Jun 07 19:27:19 when adding checkboxes to a dynamic list, how to retrieve the checkbox value? Jun 07 19:27:29 or set them? Jun 07 19:37:56 I've never really messed with checkboxes Jun 07 19:38:19 yo Jun 07 19:38:27 yoyo Jun 07 19:39:57 value is what...1 or 2? boolean? Jun 07 19:40:21 0 or 1 iirc Jun 07 19:49:44 there should be a way to set and retrieve it Jun 07 19:50:06 but you don't initiate them as you would normally do Jun 07 19:57:33 MetaView: true false Jun 07 19:58:29 you can setupWidget on the checkbox if you need ti change the modelProperty value Jun 07 19:59:14 but if your listModel has a value Property with true/false, the checkbox will use that Jun 07 19:59:59 oh, and there's an example on webos101 Jun 07 20:02:26 haeffb_pre: ever added a checkbox to a dynamic list? Jun 07 20:02:37 there is no setupwidget here Jun 07 20:03:10 yes I have Jun 07 20:03:44 you can setupWidget if you want to chane the modelProperty Jun 07 20:03:50 and where is the setupWidget part? Jun 07 20:04:18 in the example? Jun 07 20:04:36 the checkbox will use the lists model Jun 07 20:04:48

Jun 07 20:05:01 you mean I shall call setupWidget for all ids? Jun 07 20:05:16 use name Jun 07 20:05:20 hm, I there is some default, or? Jun 07 20:05:30 why name? Jun 07 20:05:33 you shouldn't use an I'd for widgets in a list Jun 07 20:05:39 why not? Jun 07 20:05:54 palm says not Jun 07 20:06:02 oh Jun 07 20:06:28 although I think you can if you name them dynamically like you show Jun 07 20:06:44 the id's are unique Jun 07 20:07:04 what property in list model do you want to use for checkbox? Jun 07 20:07:20 don't know Jun 07 20:07:29 you write I can use value? Jun 07 20:07:33 "value" Jun 07 20:07:39 anyone have experience compiling SDL_gfx for mac and/or ARM device? Jun 07 20:07:57 in that case, you don't have to setupWidget at all Jun 07 20:08:25 because 'value' is the default modelProperty for checkbox Jun 07 20:08:39 hey, it works Jun 07 20:08:48 haeffb_pre: thx a lot Jun 07 20:09:17 and I guess when I cahnge it it will be copied back into my property? Jun 07 20:09:27 yes Jun 07 20:09:33 magic... Jun 07 20:09:38 sorta Jun 07 20:10:34 if you want to use some other property like 'checked' you can setupWidget the checkbox, using name and no model, only attribs Jun 07 20:11:20 (myCheckName, {modelProperty: 'checked'}) Jun 07 20:11:28 ok, but value is fine to me Jun 07 20:12:00 until you want 2 checkboxes in a list row... :) Jun 07 20:14:47 right Jun 07 20:14:54 but I'm not crazy... Jun 07 20:42:37 Man, I am feeling stupid today. I can't remember how to set my card as full screen, and I can find it in the docs. Jun 07 20:44:16 lyht: this.controller.enableFullScreenMode(true); Jun 07 20:44:22 (from your assistant) Jun 07 20:45:08 and if I dont have an assistant... I can still just use Mojo.Controller... can't i? Jun 07 20:46:15 this.controller is your scenecontroller Jun 07 21:01:24 MetaView: that works great. Thanks. Was giving me trouble for a minute because I was trying to do it in the constructor instead of the setup function. Jun 07 21:20:24 anyone know if you can access a db of another app in your namespace? Jun 07 21:20:52 so if i look for a db with the same name from two different apps, will i get the same db? Jun 07 21:25:00 friends, I bring a message of peace Jun 07 21:25:14 now, Let me rule you, or else! Jun 07 21:25:18 anyways... Jun 07 21:25:19 anyone here? Jun 07 21:25:44 HattCzech_work: I think an app only has access to it's own DB. No cross database access. Jun 07 21:25:54 alexfner: no one here but us monkeys. Jun 07 21:26:13 lyht: that's what i was afraid of... Jun 07 21:26:31 i'll just have to develop some cross-app data swapping :) Jun 07 21:35:57 so here's what we will do Jun 07 21:36:12 don't tell anybody, but we'll spread tons of misinformation about the next palm phone Jun 07 21:36:15 here's what I heard Jun 07 21:36:27 3.7 inch screen, full 1080p resolution Jun 07 21:36:42 12 mexapixel camera on the back, 8 on the front Jun 07 21:37:12 it's going to have a retinal scanner and fingerprint reader Jun 07 21:37:17 and a dna sampler Jun 07 21:37:51 it'll have half of the internet preloaded for lightning fast browsing Jun 07 21:47:50 urg... more stupid reviews Jun 07 21:48:01 website upgrade c/o steve jobs? Jun 07 21:49:04 well HattCzech, if there was a way to delete people from the lists..... Jun 07 21:49:08 harm? Jun 07 21:49:16 ;-P Jun 07 21:49:38 I think the question we all have to ask is Jun 07 21:49:43 I am trying to record drag events Jun 07 21:50:08 unfortunately, they don't return the outer pixels on all three sides of the screen except the side with the gesture area Jun 07 21:50:20 I get about a 25 pixel gap on the sizes of the screen. Jun 07 21:50:33 Does anyone have a way to alleviate this problem? Jun 07 21:50:38 a workaround perhaps? Jun 07 21:51:33 i like my workarounds as inelegant as possible - i'd just add a 25px border :-) Jun 07 21:52:05 maybe write "do not touch" Jun 07 21:52:15 hehe, sorry I'm no help there Jun 07 21:52:36 I see Jun 07 21:52:49 it's going to be the best drawing app ever invented Jun 07 21:53:02 so, a border saying do not draw here will not help with popularity Jun 07 21:53:03 cool Jun 07 21:53:11 hmm... Jun 07 21:53:12 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-vs-the-smartphone-elite-evo-4g-n8-pre-plus-and-hd2/ Jun 07 21:53:20 the pre really needs an upgrade :) Jun 07 21:53:20 i had a border on the first version of paintr lite, but removed it Jun 07 21:54:18 indeed Jun 07 21:54:22 pre2! Jun 07 21:54:30 or post! ;) Jun 07 21:54:55 No no no, it needs to have 4 somewhere in its name Jun 07 21:55:12 I heard the pre 2 is going to have a built in heart attack preventer Jun 07 21:55:13 C40 Jun 07 21:55:30 wow Jun 07 21:55:32 if your hard stops it will wireless shock it using advanced, sonar, electricity, magic Jun 07 21:55:40 heart* Jun 07 21:55:43 ya know waht Jun 07 21:55:43 960x640 Jun 07 21:55:45 I need to stop Jun 07 21:55:53 gyroscope? Jun 07 21:56:03 It needs ONE BILLION pixels Jun 07 21:56:14 but seriously, I have this feeling that the next version of the phone isn't going to be previewed until after palm stockholders approve the deal Jun 07 21:56:17 what would you need a gyroscope for? Jun 07 21:56:20 doesn't need a gyroscope... needs a gyrogrill Jun 07 21:56:24 it's almost as big as the good old 17" crt monitors Jun 07 21:56:24 as in, make me a gyro Jun 07 21:56:27 it's funny Jun 07 21:56:34 what's the use on such a little screen ? Jun 07 21:56:47 seriously Jun 07 21:56:58 warpdesign: it's like holding a mini HDTV Jun 07 21:57:14 yeah Jun 07 21:57:33 I can live with that Jun 07 21:57:35 new designs = higher priced data plans Jun 07 21:57:35 but appart from in the train/subway I wouldn't watch anything on such a small screen Jun 07 21:57:43 and my psp is already perfect for that.. Jun 07 21:57:56 My psp is sitting dormant in my desk Jun 07 21:58:15 that's what my gamegear is for Jun 07 21:58:22 Mostly because I can't find a normal battery for it anywhere in my house Jun 07 21:58:26 so if your psp had a phone app? Jun 07 21:58:40 heh Jun 07 21:58:51 it will be interesting to see what nintendo will announce next week Jun 07 21:59:00 something with a phone would be funny Jun 07 21:59:07 Yup Jun 07 21:59:09 the wii phone Jun 07 21:59:10 I shall be there! Jun 07 21:59:15 yeah Jun 07 21:59:24 plug into your numchuck? Jun 07 21:59:33 cause who's going to stop apple ? Jun 07 21:59:36 Speaking of E3, more spam just came in Jun 07 21:59:45 GRRRRRR E3 SPAM Jun 07 21:59:46 microsoft Jun 07 22:00:44 ....foxconn suicides Jun 07 22:00:50 ....bp Jun 07 22:01:03 something will slow them down eventually Jun 07 22:01:06 lol Jun 07 22:01:09 hehe Jun 07 22:01:32 wawawaaaaaaaaaaaaa Jun 07 22:01:53 nobodies jumped out of a window at palm yet, have they? Jun 07 22:01:57 chuq? Jun 07 22:02:03 chuq?!?!? Jun 07 22:02:06 o god Jun 07 22:02:30 ITS OK, HE GOT DISTRACTED BY THE PUPPY! Jun 07 22:02:58 for real though, i would LOVE an upgrade Jun 07 22:03:20 2 cameras is gonna be a dealbreaker Jun 07 22:03:49 and if 4g ever comes to city... Jun 07 22:03:54 my city Jun 07 22:05:19 well I think palm should just give me one of the new phones they have floating around HQ Jun 07 22:05:35 PALM: We all know it's there, don't hide it. Show it off like a mercedes Jun 07 22:05:47 leave one in the bar Jun 07 22:06:08 yeah Jun 07 22:06:15 don't get it close to gizmodo though Jun 07 22:06:20 they'll prolly kill someone for it Jun 07 22:06:45 i would have liked to been there when they got hold of that Jun 07 22:06:54 "we found this palm pre 2 sitting in a bar, oddly, a man had been murdered out back" Jun 07 22:07:02 lol Jun 07 22:07:22 I hope only jobs is so protective about his company.. Jun 07 22:07:49 it's funny gizmodo guys were refused the wwdc entry Jun 07 22:07:50 you think they were giggling like 14 year old boys rolling someone's house when they got that prototype? Jun 07 22:08:37 i wonder how many times the word 'dude' was uttered Jun 07 22:08:50 10^4 Jun 07 22:09:50 I'm pretty sure they didn't just buy it from a dude who found it in a bar Jun 07 22:09:58 why I heard that there was a scuffle, ya see? Jun 07 22:10:21