**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 11 02:59:57 2010 Jun 11 03:04:56 I love my evo Jun 11 03:04:57 heh Jun 11 03:45:33 tired of kin? commercials Jun 11 03:46:38 I guess because I'm the only person in the world who doesn't have a facebook acct Jun 11 03:47:50 hey BigBiff Jun 11 03:48:13 hi JenP Jun 11 03:48:40 How's your app doing? Jun 11 03:49:24 great I tweaked some on it this week Jun 11 03:49:31 great Jun 11 03:50:58 gonna add a few more minor things here n there and send it out for some input Jun 11 03:52:08 input-feedback Jun 11 03:53:32 nice Jun 11 03:53:56 your apps? still selling? Jun 11 03:54:16 yeah i'm at 154 i think Jun 11 03:54:33 cool Jun 11 03:55:05 Yeah i think it's super cool. Never expected Jun 11 03:55:18 anyone would buy it Jun 11 03:55:29 right on.. Jun 11 03:56:07 JenP: what's your app? Jun 11 03:56:12 Same question for BigBiff Jun 11 03:56:16 Debt Free Jun 11 03:56:57 kesne: mines still friends only so far Jun 11 03:57:21 You can't even tell me what it does? Jun 11 03:57:21 still hobbying.... it's therapy for me Jun 11 03:57:30 ah Jun 11 03:57:52 pulls river gauge levels from usgs Jun 11 03:58:22 gps option Jun 11 03:58:40 maps their locations, etc Jun 11 03:59:13 mainly for kayakers, river recreatio, trout fishing etc Jun 11 04:00:26 only pulling about 2000 guages so far.... but like I said that's all me and my buds need Jun 11 04:00:54 until I actually maybe finish it :) Jun 11 04:02:19 kesne: you? Jun 11 04:03:03 That's interesting Jun 11 04:03:12 I wouldn't use it, but I'm sure sombody will. heh Jun 11 04:03:37 I havent developed in about 6 months, but I'm the developer of Checkers, Perfect Bounce Jun 11 04:03:52 cool Jun 11 04:04:10 Yeah Jun 11 04:04:17 They're quite popular apps, too Jun 11 04:04:42 ya Jun 11 04:04:44 But they've also been around for a long, long time Jun 11 04:05:44 I'm one of the first devs, actually Jun 11 04:05:50 I also started on an instrument fingering chart app, but photoshop goes slow for me Jun 11 04:06:02 Ah Jun 11 04:06:18 I've got 20+ half-completed apps laying around Jun 11 04:06:28 that app itself is simple... photoshop is different story Jun 11 04:06:43 kesne: like the precentral one ;) Jun 11 04:07:52 kesne: apps on other devices? Jun 11 04:09:12 BigBiff: plenty started, none released Jun 11 04:09:29 a few weeks into my river app, I found the same thing on iphone Jun 11 04:09:57 Oh no! Jun 11 04:10:03 national geo put it as a top 10 sports app.... grr Jun 11 04:10:25 Unfortunetly for me, there are lots of checkers apps on other platforms Jun 11 04:10:30 but on webOS, we're the only one Jun 11 04:10:37 And the best Jun 11 04:10:42 ya Jun 11 04:10:47 hehe Jun 11 04:10:51 We've got about a 200,000 install base Jun 11 04:11:02 holy crap Jun 11 04:11:18 Hehe Jun 11 04:11:25 Like I said, it's popular Jun 11 04:11:26 purchase or free? I can't remember Jun 11 04:11:34 Free w/ pro paid version Jun 11 04:11:45 sweet Jun 11 04:11:56 Yeah Jun 11 04:12:01 Soon going to completly free Jun 11 04:12:04 It's also open source Jun 11 04:12:15 It's been around since before last october though Jun 11 04:12:43 nice app for a tablet Jun 11 04:12:53 ;-) Jun 11 04:13:08 Indeed Jun 11 04:13:27 kesne: gonna keep making webOS apps or are you moving toward android? Jun 11 04:13:56 We've got staffers already working on high resolution versions of the graphics Jun 11 04:13:57 Tibfib: both Jun 11 04:14:09 nice Jun 11 04:14:28 Once we finish TGE, we'll port it to the iPhone and release some games over there Jun 11 04:14:45 kesne: programmings your day job? Jun 11 04:15:01 BigBiff: Not at all, still a student Jun 11 04:15:10 ahh Jun 11 04:15:21 TGE is...? Jun 11 04:16:53 wow irc kills my battery....time to plug in Jun 11 04:17:40 BigBiff: I'm the child of the community **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 11 04:19:31 2010 Jun 11 04:19:58 interesting Jun 11 04:20:14 Yeah Jun 11 04:20:28 We're also refusing to give out a date because we know we'll miss it by a few montsh Jun 11 04:21:08 s/montsh/months Jun 11 04:26:01 JenP: sql education going towards debt free or new app? Jun 11 04:26:15 debt free and new app Jun 11 04:30:12 still trying to increase my php vocabulary Jun 11 04:30:46 * Tibfib hearts php Jun 11 04:30:54 BigBiff: what you need in PHP? Jun 11 04:31:27 pulling all gauge info server side Jun 11 04:31:55 works fine Jun 11 04:32:06 but the math hehe Jun 11 04:32:39 just an send webos ajax call with a querystring to a php page with a DB connected to the php page Jun 11 04:33:06 ya-ive got that kickin Jun 11 04:33:34 that all happens on launch Jun 11 04:34:25 then I can 'refresh' each gauge individually straight to usgs Jun 11 04:34:26 you want to send info to the server while a user is using your app Jun 11 04:35:21 I just don't like php math Jun 11 04:35:45 like what sort of math? Jun 11 04:35:56 having to 'define' floats is cumbersome Jun 11 04:36:28 1.76-1.46=0 Jun 11 04:36:38 :-p Jun 11 04:37:03 I've got it working, though Jun 11 04:37:22 you might have me at floats, never really have used them Jun 11 04:38:22 I find rate of change over an 8 hour period, put it as a % Jun 11 04:39:06 it's fine... but same calc in js can be off by up to 2% at times Jun 11 04:40:05 one of you guys should make a time clock application. I'm an independant contractor and I was thinking an app that could track hours by day of week would be effing awesome Jun 11 04:40:20 slightly annoying, but not a deal breaker Jun 11 04:40:40 I think there are a few of those apps already Jun 11 04:40:49 oh Jun 11 04:40:57 i need to find one Jun 11 04:42:31 $10 holy sh@t Jun 11 04:42:43 yikes Jun 11 04:43:30 damn Jun 11 04:43:34 if it made an excel spreadsheet at the end of the week to mail to clients that'd be sick Jun 11 04:44:09 google docs api? Jun 11 04:44:39 oooh http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/trackmytime Jun 11 04:44:49 haha that's a good idea biff Jun 11 04:44:53 doit Jun 11 04:45:41 i could get all of my consulting buddies to buy pre's if that was there Jun 11 04:45:49 heh I took the embedded google map out of my app Jun 11 04:46:00 hahahaha Jun 11 04:46:06 i bet that made it nice and slow :p Jun 11 04:46:23 naw, just redundant Jun 11 04:46:40 ah Jun 11 04:46:45 what's the app you're working on? Jun 11 04:46:58 I just send it straight to google maps Jun 11 04:47:34 river levels.... not exactly for the palm demographic Jun 11 04:47:56 haha Jun 11 04:48:02 Do you work for palm? Jun 11 04:48:20 hah, no I teach hs Jun 11 04:48:37 what class? Jun 11 04:48:47 ummm errrr Jun 11 04:48:54 lol Jun 11 04:49:08 I'm a band director Jun 11 04:49:21 * BigBiff waits for reaction Jun 11 04:49:26 cool Jun 11 04:49:29 I just graduated from hs Jun 11 04:49:38 we have so much in common right Jun 11 04:49:45 hah Jun 11 04:51:21 band director, that pretty cool Jun 11 04:52:07 eck, I'm not sure it's 'cool' but it has it's moments Jun 11 04:53:01 i'll wave with my pre in macys parade 2011 Jun 11 05:00:18 macy's parade 2011 will keep a look out for the pre! Jun 11 05:01:16 heh....will there still be a pre in 2011? Jun 11 05:01:43 predroid Jun 11 05:01:58 hopefully pre++ Jun 11 05:02:10 ya Jun 11 05:03:44 i expect tons more developers when hp releases more info Jun 11 05:04:19 I agree Jun 11 05:06:43 will be exciting to see what other features and devices are added to the SDK and PDK Jun 11 05:07:33 what I don't get about phone apps Jun 11 05:08:02 why the blacberry catalog is so weak Jun 11 05:08:31 as robust as bb is.... Jun 11 05:08:56 b/c the development tools probably where not built for 3rd party developers Jun 11 05:09:23 makes sense Jun 11 05:09:45 and Jun 11 05:09:56 i am sure they working on it Jun 11 05:10:18 there are still lots of people using treos/centros Jun 11 05:10:44 is the palmos catalog still active? Jun 11 05:11:27 yaeh just saw a family friend using a treo the other day Jun 11 05:11:46 we still have a centro as the home/backup phone Jun 11 05:13:04 still gets better reception than pre and wifes android Jun 11 05:15:28 ok I'm outta beer. bed time. river tomorrow-woot! Jun 11 05:15:36 lol Jun 11 05:15:53 later lonestar99 Jun 11 05:15:54 what sorta bier where you drinking? Jun 11 05:16:01 yeungling Jun 11 05:16:02 later BigBiff Jun 11 05:16:11 blackntan Jun 11 05:16:23 guinness and bass? Jun 11 05:16:38 love all dark beer Jun 11 05:16:54 love guinness pints Jun 11 05:17:01 got spoiled on guiness in ireland Jun 11 05:17:28 not as good here - but still love it Jun 11 05:17:31 same, had a guinness pint in the storehouse in eire Jun 11 05:17:39 ahhhh Jun 11 05:17:53 overlooking all of dublin Jun 11 05:18:01 killer Jun 11 05:18:01 st.james gate Jun 11 05:18:21 I was the on st pats day 2 years ago Jun 11 05:18:32 the=there Jun 11 05:18:45 http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/Index.aspx Jun 11 05:19:02 was in eire on st.paddys in 2004 Jun 11 05:19:29 nothing like it Jun 11 05:19:29 beer is good. Jun 11 05:19:49 morning Jun 11 05:20:00 I gotta go back one of these days Jun 11 05:20:12 morning swisstomcat Jun 11 05:20:14 same here Jun 11 05:20:25 morning swisstomcat Jun 11 05:20:29 hey lonestar Jun 11 05:21:04 got the PDK working on windows 7 64bit Jun 11 05:21:14 great Jun 11 05:21:40 wrote on the forums, but still need to do more testing Jun 11 05:21:58 according to the docs, win7 64 was not supported Jun 11 05:23:01 got great ideas? Jun 11 05:23:14 not yet Jun 11 05:23:19 still thinking Jun 11 05:24:45 all i know is search, but want to make a different type of app that needs C/C++ Jun 11 05:26:42 yo lonestar: you know c++ well? Jun 11 05:26:54 sometimes it's good to start an entirely new project Jun 11 05:26:57 codeslaw: nope Jun 11 05:27:40 getting some lame ass compiler errors Jun 11 05:27:54 know to compile and troubleshoot C/C++ ports on freebsd Jun 11 05:29:20 codeslaw: waht sort of errors you getting? Jun 11 05:30:01 dex_pre: what is going on Jun 11 05:30:03 error: no ‘void PaintBrush::initBrush(const std::string&)’ member function declared in class ‘PaintBrush’ Jun 11 05:30:29 but i have initBrush in the class declaration, and in the cpp files as well Jun 11 05:30:35 dex_pre: are you on IRC on your pre or on a pc? Jun 11 05:31:14 codeslaw: perhaps, another function is throwing it off Jun 11 05:31:56 or class is not reaching the function for some reason Jun 11 05:32:51 ya i dont know, seems good Jun 11 05:35:31 ok, i made the declaration public instead of private, and that fixed it. Jun 11 05:35:55 yeah, that fixes alot of problems Jun 11 05:38:16 developing in webos needed to make a few globals for the apps to work, other wise they would never work Jun 11 05:38:26 and the same goes with PHP Jun 11 05:38:37 but mostly Webos Jun 11 05:38:53 so assuming it might be the case with C/C++ Jun 11 05:40:06 anyone ever see jfelectron on anymore? Jun 11 05:50:32 codeslaw: is the learning curve a great one with the PDK? Jun 11 05:51:41 eh, i picked up SDL pretty quick Jun 11 05:51:52 but openGL is taking me longer Jun 11 05:52:17 anyone here made a hybrid app? Jun 11 05:52:19 i've been working in scripting languages for years now, my experience with low level graphics API's is minimal Jun 11 05:56:54 codeslaw: same here, but luckly like freebsd to much as a server OS, so have seen my share of errors, and 99% they can be fixed with research and asking questions Jun 11 05:57:22 ya Jun 11 05:57:54 alot times a restart an recompile works also Jun 11 05:58:20 truth Jun 11 05:59:15 not sure how soon, but the PDK seems interesting, just need to think of an app Jun 11 06:00:39 something dynamic with the flow water, that is all i know Jun 11 06:14:15 worldcup starts in 7hrs and 46 minutes Jun 11 06:23:45 outa here till tommara GN everyone Jun 11 06:41:42 Good Morning Jun 11 06:44:05 i hotdp Jun 11 06:44:09 ert, hi hotdp Jun 11 06:57:05 dpivs: hey, David! Jun 11 06:57:20 hey dex_pre: it's working now, cool! Jun 11 06:57:29 cool! Jun 11 06:58:34 Who is David? Jun 11 07:02:56 that's me hotdp Jun 11 07:03:06 My name is also David :P Jun 11 07:03:20 haha, that's cool dude. Jun 11 07:03:57 me and dex_pre met up at palm developer days, he just started going to #webos today. Jun 11 07:04:45 cool Jun 11 07:07:49 i'm out, later gang. Jun 11 07:25:50 bah im lost Jun 11 08:11:49 anyone still awake? Jun 11 08:15:08 hello Roy-Pre101 Jun 11 08:30:30 Awake? Its morning here :) Jun 11 08:30:48 hello HotDP Jun 11 10:00:26 hi Jun 11 10:22:42 anyone can tell me how to pass parameters to a handler ? Jun 11 10:22:55 http://pastebin.com/T4cApXiF Jun 11 10:23:29 I want to pass parameters to the createTableSuccessHandler Jun 11 10:25:15 mojo's binding syntax always seemed weird to me. Now that i'm trying to do more complex things it's becoming problematic :/ Jun 11 10:36:06 hi everyone Jun 11 10:39:50 hi Jun 11 10:43:45 hey swisstomcat Jun 11 10:43:51 hi warpdesign Jun 11 10:45:36 Hello swisstomcat Jun 11 10:45:45 hi hotdp Jun 11 10:46:05 Anyone know how to change the "theme" to the dark one? Jun 11 10:46:56 let me check Jun 11 10:47:39 Light and dark styles—The default is the light style (palm-light) that uses a light background with dark text and controls. The dark style (palm-dark) uses a dark background with light text and controls. To use the dark style, add the palm-dark class name to the element or to the individual elements on a page. Jun 11 10:47:44 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1798 Jun 11 10:50:02 hmm Jun 11 10:50:41 anyone knows a good tuto about data storage ? I'm having hard times figuring out how to read data and do something with it in the same method Jun 11 10:50:56 So, if i have a lets say integer picker i would like to have a dark theme on, is that possbile? Jun 11 10:51:20 i have not played with the dark-theme yet Jun 11 10:51:30 famic: database? Jun 11 10:51:49 I would like all controls and scenes to be the darktheme? Jun 11 10:52:04 swisstomcat: html5 database yeah Jun 11 10:53:22 you can try to add the palm-dark class name to one of your elements and see what happens, hotdp Jun 11 10:53:44 I still use Ares Jun 11 10:53:57 famic: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects Jun 11 10:54:23 hotdp: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4866 Jun 11 10:54:49 PINGO! Jun 11 10:55:02 Your better at google then me :P Jun 11 10:56:49 apparently :) Jun 11 10:57:01 i was searching for "palm-dark ares" Jun 11 10:58:50 swisstomcat: your link was helpful for me too ;) Jun 11 10:59:02 very good Jun 11 11:02:07 here is another one: http://github.com/onecrayon/database-webos Jun 11 11:07:29 HotDP, apply palm-dark class name to your body Jun 11 11:07:42 but beware, some webos elements aren't aware of palm-dark Jun 11 11:07:56 so you'll have to restyle them Jun 11 11:08:06 Yer swisstomcat gave a link with that info. But thanks anyway warpdesign Jun 11 11:08:25 Hmm can you give me an example of an element that does not work? Jun 11 11:08:51 dialogs shadow stuff Jun 11 11:09:03 just use the widgets demo Jun 11 11:09:12 apply the class to the body and you'll see Jun 11 11:09:39 :( I hopped it was easy. Jun 11 11:09:51 Now it sounds like i have to do alot of work beside.. Jun 11 11:12:24 well, just try Jun 11 11:12:31 and you'll see if it appears wrong to you Jun 11 11:14:25 Famic_, since it's called by the framework, I don't think you can have additionnal parameters than the one passed by the framework Jun 11 11:14:29 I'm not sure though Jun 11 11:14:58 btw what's the GO; sql statement you're using in your query ? just curious.. Jun 11 11:28:08 warpdesign: it came from the example. I've looked it up, it seems it as the same function as a ; in the command line Jun 11 11:29:07 I'll probably remove it when the rest is working, and it probably won't have any impact ;) Jun 11 11:31:27 ok Jun 11 11:32:16 seems like it's used to end a command (statement) Jun 11 11:32:27 Famic_: transaction.executeSql(query1, [], this.createTableSuccessHandler.bind(this, myParam), this.errorHandler.bind(this)); Jun 11 11:33:09 haeffb: I tried that, but I didn't get the expected result Jun 11 11:33:27 createTableSuccessHandler( transaction, result) Jun 11 11:33:44 hmm.. Jun 11 11:34:14 i tried createTableSuccessHandler( transaction, result, myParam) but got it empty Jun 11 11:35:40 hi warpdesign Jun 11 11:35:50 is myParam a var in the function that calls db.transaction? Jun 11 11:36:22 yes Jun 11 11:37:47 try binding the db.transaction Jun 11 11:38:45 I don't really grasp the logic of the binding syntax atm :/ I only build on examples for now Jun 11 11:42:12 is there a way to see only the end of the file when using palm-log ? Jun 11 11:42:32 tail -f /var/log/messages Jun 11 11:42:43 :) Jun 11 11:43:04 in my windows cli that won't do much good :D Jun 11 11:43:17 you can ssh into your emulator/device Jun 11 11:43:57 Famic_: here's an example http://pastebin.com/pe9PiPM1 Jun 11 11:55:11 haeffb: that's about what I had already, except that I had .bind(this) after this.errorHandler and function(inTransaction,inResultSet){...} Jun 11 11:55:28 right now all I get is "[20100611-13:53:22.220782] error: Uncaught Error: INVALID_ACCESS_ERR: DOM Exception 15, app/assistants/board-assistant.js:419" Jun 11 11:56:07 which is Mojo.Log.info('%j', inResultSet); Jun 11 12:13:55 just finished an update check for my apps Jun 11 12:17:51 Are "Slider" good to work with? Jun 11 12:18:01 yeah Jun 11 12:18:06 depends what you want to do Jun 11 12:18:30 I want to select a value between 1 and 80 with 0.1 in interval Jun 11 12:23:02 Was someone looking for me earlier? Jun 11 12:26:31 those scope problems are killing me Jun 11 12:37:17 How do you normally display the value from the slider? A label? Jun 11 12:39:51 Or how can you see what value you have choosen? Jun 11 12:51:41 swisstomcat , can you use your google skills :) Jun 11 12:56:22 doesn't it have a modelProperty - like value - that conrains the value? Jun 11 12:58:26 morning Jun 11 12:58:26 Its has, but i would like to know the value in real time. So the event "onChange" if run when i am finished selecting Jun 11 12:58:34 morning BigBiff Jun 11 13:00:41 morning all Jun 11 13:01:49 mornin HattCzech Jun 11 13:02:03 so my app got updated really quick this week Jun 11 13:02:17 submitted on the 9th, out by the 10th Jun 11 13:02:52 Thats quick. The fastest i have tryed was 2 days Jun 11 13:03:16 No one here who can help me with the slider Q? Jun 11 13:06:46 what's the slider question Jun 11 13:08:00 in my app the user shall select a value Jun 11 13:08:08 But he can not see what the value is? Jun 11 13:08:45 So i would like to show what value he pt. has. But the event Change is called when he releases the slider and not when he is moving it. Jun 11 13:10:03 o jeez, I'm trying to remember... I have that exact thing for gps search radius Jun 11 13:10:13 just not at comp Jun 11 13:10:21 Sounds great BigBiff Jun 11 13:12:18 it's the method that updates every x milliseconds Jun 11 13:12:29 Thats what i need Jun 11 13:12:35 On the slider? Jun 11 13:12:44 ya Jun 11 13:12:53 you set the time Jun 11 13:13:08 I just can't find any documentation on the slider Jun 11 13:13:35 its not a timer onTap? that gets the value? its an event on the slider? Jun 11 13:14:36 yes Jun 11 13:14:55 returns value every x ms Jun 11 13:15:06 that ur sliding Jun 11 13:15:12 its there anything i can do help you remember? Jun 11 13:16:24 undo some illicit subsatnce abuse in college? Jun 11 13:16:27 heh Jun 11 13:16:39 I'll come up with it Jun 11 13:17:26 hahahah, nice BigBiff Jun 11 13:17:32 updateInterval Jun 11 13:18:06 HotDP: it's right in the docs for the slider widget Jun 11 13:18:23 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1687&Itemid=44 ? Jun 11 13:19:17 Or what documentation haeffb_pre ? Jun 11 13:19:39 well there you go Jun 11 13:19:51 can't copy link from the phone Jun 11 13:20:09 the widget reference docs Jun 11 13:21:04 yay... 257 people have updated to the new version... Jun 11 13:22:08 Thanks haeffb_pre and BigBiff :) Jun 11 13:23:21 i can give you a slider example, hotd Jun 11 13:23:24 hotdp Jun 11 13:23:38 Yes please? Jun 11 13:24:44 basically, i interpolated the final values from a fixed set of slider positions Jun 11 13:25:26 Do you have a peace of code i can see? Jun 11 13:26:25 http://pastie.org/1000735 Jun 11 13:28:36 I might have misunderstood the Slider widget :-( If min is 0 and max 80. Kan i select 4.7 ? Jun 11 13:29:09 probably Jun 11 13:29:16 if you interpolate Jun 11 13:29:40 how would someone select between 0 and 80 that precise? Jun 11 13:30:08 you have a slider between 0 and 50 Jun 11 13:30:41 to get the final value, you do value/10 -> e.g 47->4.7 Jun 11 13:31:24 But i would also like to select 40.3 Jun 11 13:31:50 I thought this widget was a good ideer buit i start to think its not. Jun 11 13:31:53 well Jun 11 13:32:15 min is 0 and max is 80? and you want the user to adjust the slider with the finger in one tenths? Jun 11 13:32:18 does that work? Jun 11 13:32:18 I need some kind of control where i can select from 1 to 80 with one decimal Jun 11 13:32:25 yes :D Jun 11 13:32:29 i don't think so Jun 11 13:32:41 800 positions on 320 pixels? Jun 11 13:32:42 * HotDP sad.. Jun 11 13:32:57 interval between 0 and 800 Jun 11 13:33:08 that would work Jun 11 13:33:14 but still the problem with selecting a value Jun 11 13:33:28 800 possible positions on max. 320pixels? Jun 11 13:33:30 I fully understand that it might be to hard to use. Jun 11 13:33:34 that doesn't work Jun 11 13:33:37 ya, unless it's in landscape Jun 11 13:33:42