**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 12 02:59:56 2010 Jun 12 03:06:45 yep Jun 12 03:10:46 wow 50k apps for palmos Jun 12 03:12:06 isn't js sposed to be 'easier' than c/c++? Jun 12 03:12:59 interesting Jun 12 03:14:37 palmos has 50,000 apps? Jun 12 03:15:46 as of 2008.... Jun 12 03:16:26 wow that is nuts, do they have an app store for those apps? Jun 12 03:16:33 could edit source code on the device in memopad Jun 12 03:16:57 option to program in BASIC Jun 12 03:17:05 yikes Jun 12 03:17:56 I remember those days... I could run some killer basic games on our tandy trs 80 Jun 12 03:18:39 and save them to a cassette :-o Jun 12 03:22:13 * JenP pats BigBiff on back Jun 12 03:34:03 escuse me wut Jun 12 03:34:08 memopad - an app? Jun 12 03:34:19 I want an app for source code editing Jun 12 03:38:55 on the phone itself ? Jun 12 03:39:05 yeah Jun 12 03:39:13 looks like it Jun 12 03:39:26 gotta hit that up Jun 12 03:39:31 hopefully it does LF Jun 12 03:39:42 wait, the default memo app? Jun 12 03:39:58 ya I think Jun 12 03:40:08 D: Jun 12 03:40:23 torchie: terminal and vi Jun 12 03:40:39 too much Jun 12 03:41:06 picky Jun 12 03:41:17 yeah just a bit Jun 12 03:41:47 heh Jun 12 03:42:07 do you want it to fix your code too ? Jun 12 03:42:25 :( Jun 12 03:42:31 weeeeeeeeeeeelll Jun 12 03:42:36 if so, maybe terminal and emacs is what you're looking for Jun 12 03:43:05 well at least I'd get better file access if I did terminal + one of those Jun 12 03:43:10 does vi like Jun 12 03:43:11 work Jun 12 03:43:26 it works hard for the money Jun 12 03:43:32 france Jun 12 03:43:53 lithuania Jun 12 03:45:14 touche Jun 12 03:47:00 Methinks I got my formatting down Jun 12 05:06:27 anyone still up? Jun 12 05:08:06 yes :) Jun 12 05:08:15 hi oil Jun 12 05:08:19 hey Jun 12 05:08:26 do you know sql? Jun 12 05:09:16 yeah Jun 12 05:09:58 i have a scene that has staged data in it as an example for the user Jun 12 05:10:11 if they delete it , leave the app, and return it's still there Jun 12 05:10:20 because it's in my setupDb Jun 12 05:10:28 is there a better way? Jun 12 05:11:03 so you're re-adding it? Jun 12 05:11:14 yeah but i don't want to Jun 12 05:11:30 so dont :) Jun 12 05:11:30 i just want it to show up once and if the user deletes it it's gone forever Jun 12 05:11:34 LOL Jun 12 05:11:46 you adding it what, if the db is empty? Jun 12 05:11:55 yeah Jun 12 05:11:57 or only right after you create the db for the first time? Jun 12 05:12:16 just put adding it in the same block where you create the db Jun 12 05:12:21 since you're not going to be re-running that Jun 12 05:12:22 well i guess it's part of the create db Jun 12 05:13:45 so you're running the db create code each time? Jun 12 05:14:02 idk it's in my stage assistant Jun 12 05:14:22 lol Jun 12 05:14:23 but i guess it appears so Jun 12 05:14:29 smiles... Jun 12 05:15:57 sounds like a code problem more then a sql problem :) Jun 12 05:16:36 agreed...i've tweaked something wrongly...it was working... Jun 12 05:16:48 yeah...debugging...yeah.... Jun 12 05:35:35 basic C++ question, anyone around Jun 12 06:46:41 codeslaw: yep Jun 12 06:47:05 nice Jun 12 06:48:58 so Jun 12 06:49:30 getting a linker error Jun 12 06:49:54 Undefined symbols: Jun 12 06:49:55 "PaintBrush::PaintBrush()", referenced from: Jun 12 06:49:55 _SDL_main in protopaintr_gl.o Jun 12 06:49:55 "PaintBrush::drawTo(float, float)", referenced from: Jun 12 06:49:55 _SDL_main in protopaintr_gl.o Jun 12 06:49:56 ld: symbol(s) not found Jun 12 06:50:04 (pastie.org is down) Jun 12 06:50:28 but i have the header file included in my main file Jun 12 08:28:44 hi Jun 12 12:24:43 moring everyone Jun 12 12:27:43 you betcha Jun 12 12:32:03 quite the earlybird this morning Jun 12 12:33:20 Who? You? :) Jun 12 12:33:47 both Jun 12 12:34:18 you eastern time? Jun 12 12:34:19 central here Jun 12 12:37:01 woken up by a rogue mosquito, might as well code and watch world cup game Jun 12 12:42:13 central Jun 12 12:42:25 I'm always up before 6:30 am Jun 12 12:44:36 WOW Jun 12 12:44:40 not here Jun 12 12:44:49 night owl here Jun 12 12:45:49 hi all Jun 12 12:47:02 good morning Jun 12 12:47:46 is this channel related to precentral or webos internals or something ? Jun 12 12:49:26 Simpson_2: more towards webos and PDK development Jun 12 12:49:42 and food. I like to talk about food. Jun 12 12:49:47 ;) Jun 12 12:49:48 okay Jun 12 12:49:58 is there a way to find webos version and device info from mojo? Jun 12 12:49:59 just PDK ? or any app in general ? Jun 12 12:50:26 PuffTheMagic: I believe so, but don't know what it is. Jun 12 12:50:53 yeah i knew there was for mojo version Jun 12 12:50:58 but i dont remember either Jun 12 12:51:33 PuffTheMagic: http://webos101.com/DeviceInfo Jun 12 12:51:50 PuffTheMagic: maybe "Mojo.Evironment.build" Jun 12 12:52:34 haeffb: thanks Jun 12 12:52:43 LoneStar99: thanks Jun 12 12:53:16 PuffTheMagic: thanks Jun 12 12:53:31 * haeffb doesn't say "thanks" enough Jun 12 12:55:13 thanks Jun 12 13:29:02 heya Jun 12 13:42:41 hey ! Jun 12 13:55:22 hi warpdesign Jun 12 14:05:20 what's up ? Jun 12 14:05:53 LoneStar99 is up Jun 12 14:13:52 just ate a bagel with cheese - ymmm.. Jun 12 14:15:36 bagelthin with cheese is my typical breakfast Jun 12 14:15:49 well that split with a banana when I get to work, damn hour+ commute makes me hungry again Jun 12 14:16:23 bagles and laux are the shite Jun 12 14:17:05 my bagels are thin, tiny poor representations of real bagels. have been working out for my weight loss though. Jun 12 14:19:54 punzada: are your bagels homemade or you buy them thin? Jun 12 14:37:50 I buy them thin LoneStar99 Jun 12 14:38:26 Been watching my weight lately, I hit a scary 300lbs and in early march decided to start dieting/working out heavily, dropped 54lbs so far \o/ Jun 12 14:38:46 congrats Jun 12 14:39:13 ty, lots more to go still however lol. Jun 12 14:40:10 how far down do you want to get ? Jun 12 14:40:57 I'd like to be around the 180lbs mark, maybe a little lower depending on how I can tone up as well as down. Jun 12 14:41:08 very nice Jun 12 14:41:35 I haven't been less then 200lbs in over a decade so - it will be interesting. Jun 12 14:41:53 I haven't been less than 200lbs in that long either. Jun 12 14:41:59 punzada: that is great Jun 12 14:42:22 well, I flirted with 199 for about a week...but she was just a tease. Jun 12 14:42:28 ha Jun 12 14:43:05 I think I actually lost too quickly these past three weeks however, four lbs a week three weeks in a row and this week I feel a cold coming on, should probably take it a little easier Jun 12 14:45:10 punzada: yeah body probably going into shock, but then i get cold by simply being in the same room as someone with a cold Jun 12 14:45:22 i get colds Jun 12 14:46:50 I also should be taking a multivitamin which I haven't - I've been slacking. Jun 12 14:50:45 yeah vitamins are good, drink beer for my vitamins Jun 12 14:52:04 need to start taking real vitamins Jun 12 15:22:32 Rick_work: ping Jun 12 15:52:31 beer is all the real vitamins you need Jun 12 15:52:36 beer and beef and potatoes Jun 12 15:52:43 the three vitamins. Jun 12 16:26:46 i know there is a function to set a user idle timeout Jun 12 16:26:57 but is there just a way to get how long someone has been idle Jun 12 16:27:00 from mojo Jun 12 16:42:17 PuffTheMagic: I was wondering the same some time ago Jun 12 18:06:54 usa or england? Jun 12 18:07:06 i say england Jun 12 18:07:18 even though would like the us to win Jun 12 18:08:28 I agree Jun 12 18:15:14 US team is so inconsistent, they could win, but next game lose against the worst team in the world cup Jun 12 18:15:26 but England Jun 12 18:15:31 nonetheless Jun 12 18:19:02 hi sugardave Jun 12 18:36:58 gooooooal Jun 12 18:40:11 that was fast. Jun 12 18:40:24 who scored? Jun 12 18:40:49 i have it playing on the big tv but have to install something on my computer first Jun 12 18:42:22 england... in 4 mins Jun 12 18:43:02 cool Jun 12 19:08:58 grrr Jun 12 19:09:01 buying ipad Jun 12 19:10:59 hahahaahah Jun 12 19:11:07 ok, ftw Jun 12 19:11:12 standard shipping only Jun 12 19:11:29 wtf* Jun 12 19:11:54 gooooooal Jun 12 19:13:13 poor goalie. I feel bad for him Jun 12 19:41:36 heyo Jun 12 19:45:29 yo Jun 12 21:34:11 halfhalo: ordered the ipad? I'm thinkin about getting one Jun 12 21:34:44 I wish webos had an ondemand music service Jun 12 21:34:59 iphone and android already got rhapsody Jun 12 21:35:30 no reason why rhapsody shouldn't come to webos Jun 12 21:36:06 they said they have limited resources and focusing on iphone droid n berry Jun 12 21:36:16 berry makes no sense to me Jun 12 21:36:27 bberry? no sense at all Jun 12 21:36:29 they said it wouldn't be easy to port Jun 12 21:36:44 completely wrong demographic Jun 12 21:36:48 bb people aren't listening to music on it Jun 12 21:36:54 no Jun 12 21:37:41 BigBiff_pre: why? why not wait for a webOS tablet? Jun 12 21:38:04 I'm just lookin at options Jun 12 21:38:08 lol, yeah, ordered one for fathers day Jun 12 21:38:33 the fam needs a small we tablet/comp Jun 12 21:38:50 we=web Jun 12 21:39:00 I really don't see what's good abt a tablet Jun 12 21:39:15 me either... but I'm still gonna get a webOS one :) Jun 12 21:39:22 the ipad is just an iphone / ipod touch Jun 12 21:39:31 may just end up with one of those little dell deals Jun 12 21:39:58 wife only uses comp for web and quicken Jun 12 21:40:10 netbooks make more sense Jun 12 21:40:15 daughter - moshi monsters Jun 12 21:40:40 renegaid: I think ur probably right Jun 12 21:42:39 I need a quicken app for pre Jun 12 21:43:05 had the palmos quicken Jun 12 21:44:17 couldn't make myself spend the $ on 'classic' Jun 12 21:44:57 renegaid, webos has grooveshark Jun 12 21:45:02 that's on-demand Jun 12 21:45:10 though I did like it while trial vsion Jun 12 21:45:12 also, it has amazon mp3, but i don't know about that Jun 12 21:51:24 what about spotify: no webos app ? Jun 12 21:51:50 nope Jun 12 21:53:13 I doubt you'll see spotify for a long time. It's not available in every country and the vast majority of Pre/Pixi users are US users Jun 12 21:54:09 well, pre is now available in most european countries Jun 12 21:54:18 and spotify is quite popular here Jun 12 21:54:40 they just need to sell more pre and apps will logically come to the pre as well Jun 12 22:32:25 does anyone know if there is a list somewhere showing which countries GSM pres are available? Jun 12 22:36:13 jhojho: Including imports? Jun 12 22:36:26 no Jun 12 22:36:53 just trying to determine if non US GSM pre/pre plus are triband 3G Jun 12 22:38:23 Hmmm... Jun 12 22:38:32 So, England, Spain, Germany, France. Jun 12 22:38:57 Canada, Mexico Jun 12 22:39:28 I guess. not sure which countries are selling gsm phones. i'm usually a cdma guy so have not paid attention Jun 12 22:39:41 Everybody but Canada. Jun 12 22:39:51 From that list at least. Jun 12 22:41:57 now are they tri band Jun 12 22:42:04 850/1900/2100? Jun 12 22:42:36 wondering if the att pre plus is actually triband gsm but not marketed as so / disabled in firmware Jun 12 22:42:52 I doubt it is Jun 12 22:44:32 850/900/1800/1900 for the AT&T Jun 12 22:44:41 850/1900 for 3G Jun 12 22:44:45 that's GSM not 3G Jun 12 22:44:57 such a bummer that 2100 is not supported for 3G Jun 12 22:45:04 Why? Jun 12 22:45:08 why, for tmo? Jun 12 22:45:17 Tmobile is 1700 Jun 12 22:45:19 cant use for 3G overseas Jun 12 22:57:17 Somebody that is familiar with RadioTime, where do you think I should add the "custom" stations list? Jun 12 22:57:41 It's either going on a separate item on the homescreen list or under the Presets Jun 12 22:58:17 hi all Jun 12 22:58:21 Hey Jen Jun 12 22:58:44 hi doc! Jun 12 22:58:49 Howdy Jun 12 23:06:08 Wow. There are some really dumb people out there... Jun 12 23:08:41 ? Jun 12 23:09:27 Support requests Jun 12 23:12:12 what was the request? Jun 12 23:14:22 It was 3 separate requests. How to add, delete, and rearrange Presets. Jun 12 23:16:56 i had a user request i allow 0 interest rates so that she could add a reminder to pay her bill Jun 12 23:17:18 ....i didn't have the heart to tell her she could just add the reminder in the calandar Jun 12 23:17:37 heh Jun 12 23:19:47 * jhojho points to the LART Jun 12 23:33:47 anyone tried grooveshark? Jun 12 23:35:03 yep Jun 12 23:35:50 got some bad reviews Jun 12 23:36:21 arg I'm so close Jun 12 23:36:38 my screen comes up looking right then on the first refresh it goes solid black Jun 12 23:38:07 the grooveshark review? Jun 12 23:38:16 heh those were pretty funny Jun 12 23:38:23 I recall one review going like "man I'm 16 I'm too lazy for this" Jun 12 23:38:38 and the one afterward going "you lazy guy, get laid" Jun 12 23:38:46 app worked fine for me though Jun 12 23:38:59 found a regina spektor song Jun 12 23:40:39 never mind i just tried it and music failed to play Jun 12 23:40:51 where is their music coming from? Jun 12 23:40:58 From their server Jun 12 23:41:04 i think i heard people upload it Jun 12 23:41:13 so they charge a fee to play music other people uploaded Jun 12 23:42:02 huh Jun 12 23:42:16 Something like that Jun 12 23:43:33 probably get sued soon Jun 12 23:43:49 i wish rhapsody was on webos Jun 12 23:43:57 or even napster. Jun 12 23:44:21 I'm not a fan of any of those mp3 streaming things Jun 12 23:44:38 I wish skype was on webos Jun 12 23:44:45 rhapsody and napster allows you to download any track you want once you subscribe Jun 12 23:44:47 or maybe a last.fm plugin so i can scrobble Jun 12 23:44:48 namean? Jun 12 23:44:55 do you get to keep the track? Jun 12 23:45:00 or is it like some ol bull Jun 12 23:45:03 I wish i was on webos... Jun 12 23:45:12 I wish I was webos Jun 12 23:45:34 you subscribe to the service you can download all the tracks you want Jun 12 23:45:47 rolsworth: What fun is that? Jun 12 23:45:52 napster service allows you to keep 5 songs a month for 5 bucks a month Jun 12 23:46:32 yeah but can you keep the songs Jun 12 23:46:34 great price for all the music you can listen to and customize playlists Jun 12 23:46:44 oh wait nvm Jun 12 23:46:49 i used it when i was using creative Jun 12 23:46:55 i already answered that question Jun 12 23:46:56 I dunno man Jun 12 23:47:06 Yes, but you end up not listening to any really new music Jun 12 23:47:15 do you expect to keep millions of songs for 5-10 bucks a month ? Jun 12 23:47:25 yes Jun 12 23:48:18 Well, sometime soon, we'll be adding stream recording to our app Jun 12 23:49:03 rhapsody sai dthey don't have the resources to port rhapsody to webos. htey made one for android and iphone Jun 12 23:49:45 how much resources do they need? Jun 12 23:49:46 There are a lot more Android and Iphones out there than there are WebOS phones Jun 12 23:49:53 that makes more sense Jun 12 23:49:57 they just don't care about us Jun 12 23:49:58 : Jun 12 23:49:58 ( Jun 12 23:50:15 torchie: It's all about numbers Jun 12 23:50:21 i wonder how many pre owners out there Jun 12 23:50:22 Well, it's still a toss up as to whether WebOS will continue to be on phones Jun 12 23:50:34 yeah that's the sort of frustrating thing Jun 12 23:50:43 probably get more subscribers ont he pre since there isn't anything to compete Jun 12 23:51:05 how is it a toss up? Jun 12 23:51:19 well actually that's not the tossup Jun 12 23:51:28 since wherever it is it's still webos but Jun 12 23:51:35 is anyone gonna care about webos Jun 12 23:51:42 reality9110: I expect HP/Palm will keep doing smartphones running webos, because if nothing else it boosts awareness of webos and gets more developers and apps and increased mindshare Jun 12 23:51:44 it's not iphone and it's not android Jun 12 23:51:57 destinal: I'm not so sure about that. Jun 12 23:52:01 android took over a year to take off Jun 12 23:52:12 all it takes is one device and good marketing Jun 12 23:52:29 before motorola droid no one really knew about android Jun 12 23:52:38 Unless you're Apple, it takes multiple devices Jun 12 23:52:40 and after motorola droid everyone cared Jun 12 23:52:42 verizon spent a lot on mareting Jun 12 23:53:12 same thing can happen to webos. HP has the money Palm didn't Jun 12 23:53:12 That's not true. There was the G1 and the myTouch from Tmobile Jun 12 23:53:25 Both were good sellers. Jun 12 23:53:26 yea and those didn't do so well Jun 12 23:53:33 still G1 and mytouch were kind of niche in public awareness Jun 12 23:53:35 The heck they didn't. Jun 12 23:53:39 i didn't even know about android until verizon start running those ads Jun 12 23:53:45 G1 did well I think Jun 12 23:53:47 It's just a matter of network size. Jun 12 23:53:56 It was only on Tmobile. Jun 12 23:54:03 Verizon has a much larger userbase Jun 12 23:54:34 reality9110: I ran my G1 (Android dev phone 1 really) on AT&T -- but I'm sure I was in the minority Jun 12 23:55:05 destinal: EDGE only? Jun 12 23:55:23 reality9110: yeah, I came from an iphone first generation before that so it wasn't much of a loss for me Jun 12 23:55:49 I believe the G1 was one of Tmobile's first 3G phones Jun 12 23:55:49 Tmobile has about zero signal in my employer's corporate headquarters Jun 12 23:57:09 i am sticking with sprint Jun 12 23:57:23 i hear tmobile is now losing customers Jun 12 23:57:33 Have you seen Sprint lately? Jun 12 23:58:12 did they lose or gain some? Jun 12 23:58:18 could care less Jun 12 23:58:25 best price service Jun 12 23:58:38 Losses in the contract, gained in the Prepaid Jun 12 23:59:15 i am sure sprint will pull through Jun 12 23:59:26 probably gained a few with the oversize phone Jun 12 23:59:26 Tmobile does have a winning phone coming out Jun 12 23:59:41 I'm tempted to go for an EVO but hate locked down phones. a friend was telling me about how you can root an EVO but the next OTA update will re-lock it, and I'm tired of playing those games. Jun 12 23:59:54 i had a friend that switched to tmobile but switched back. she said the signal was too weak Jun 13 00:00:13 destinal: Meh. It's popular enough that a root fix will come out so quickly that it won't even matter. Jun 13 00:00:34 i had one for a two days Jun 13 00:00:37 sold it on ebay Jun 13 00:00:48 OTA updates are pretty rare on Android phones anyway Jun 13 00:00:51 can't believe it has a 16bit screen Jun 13 00:01:14 the pre is pretty great really, if only the UI was much snappier Jun 13 00:01:44 i could live with the pre. My next phone must have a 24bit display like the pre Jun 13 00:02:22 I'm sure palm is working on the next handset as we speak -- should be interesting.. Jun 13 00:03:37 the evo wasn't able to play the same games as the pre smooth Jun 13 00:03:53 don't care so much about games but found that strange Jun 13 00:04:03 Uhhh...what? Jun 13 00:04:18 rolsworth: I've played with several android phones and they don't take 5-10 SECONDS opening a new card Jun 13 00:04:23 games do not run smooth on snapdragon phones Jun 13 00:04:25 (or app window in this case) Jun 13 00:04:26 The HTC Hero can play the same games just fine. The EVO can play them just fine as well. Jun 13 00:04:55 go and play ashphalt on a hero lol Jun 13 00:05:02 asphalt 5 Jun 13 00:05:03 Someone just posted on Twitter that the Evo clocks in Sunspider at 12.1s. Pre @ 800Mhz clocks in 13s. So not shabby at all. Jun 13 00:05:48 played asphalt 5 on the Evo and it lags and runs slow Jun 13 00:06:35 rolsworth: Are you sure you're not BSing? Jun 13 00:06:49 people with the nexus one report the same thing., something to do with the game design. it runs perfect on moto droid Jun 13 00:07:03 google it Jun 13 00:08:09 If you play a game like Raging Thunder, basically the same thing, it plays just fine. Jun 13 00:08:25 those games don't good at all Jun 13 00:08:32 look Jun 13 00:08:39 not at the same level as asphalt Jun 13 00:09:01 I don't see any difference. Jun 13 00:09:09 i think i played that game. jaggy and animation isn't smooth Jun 13 00:09:18 did you play asphalt 5? Jun 13 00:09:26 Ok. You're BSing. That's all I needed to know. Jun 13 00:10:44 i don't think you did Jun 13 00:11:18 when i had the evo that was the first game i bought. it ran a bit slow with frame drops. like i said google i am sure others will confirm Jun 13 00:11:40 I'm not purchasing and downloading just to confirm what is already widely known. Jun 13 00:12:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LosB3Aph4Yg&feature=related Here's a RT2 ipod versus Nexus comparison. Jun 13 00:12:51 something to do with snapdragon phones havign weak gpu but the cortex phones having a dedicated gpu that is more powerful Jun 13 00:13:24 I wonder if LunaSysMgr could be converted to run under Dalvik Jun 13 00:14:15 is raging thunder a free game? i tried a racing game that was free and it looked terrible. I really cannot remember the name but it was on the top rated Jun 13 00:14:50 The lite versions of RT1 and RT2 are both free Jun 13 00:15:23 then it looked terrible Jun 13 00:15:45 compared to asphalt and need for speed Jun 13 00:15:53 Whatever. Jun 13 00:15:56 maybe it was part one cannot remember Jun 13 00:16:20 i wonder if gmail lists what i downloaded Jun 13 00:17:26 It's not like Polarbits are amateurs when it comes to game development Jun 13 00:18:20 hey if you think it looks great then cool Jun 13 00:18:34 compared to need for speed and asphalt it looked outdated Jun 13 00:19:17 I'm not a gamer. I don't have a lot of time to sit there and spend playing games on a small screened or large screen device. Jun 13 00:20:23 you shoudl have quit a logn time ago then Jun 13 00:20:43 i don't play games on handheld either Jun 13 00:21:18 I'll never quit Android. Jun 13 00:21:31 I'll quit WebOS as soon as the money dries up Jun 13 00:22:26 wasn't referring to android Jun 13 00:23:23 droid 2's gonna be hot Jun 13 00:23:25 rockin new omap Jun 13 00:23:33 snapdragon can eat it Jun 13 00:23:39 yea that's a good phone Jun 13 00:23:42