**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 17 02:59:56 2010 Jun 17 03:00:22 Formatted, that's the issue Jun 17 03:00:24 thanks! Jun 17 03:00:41 i just learned that all tonite :P Jun 17 03:00:55 nice work, I had most of that, looks slightly different Jun 17 03:01:34 yeah Jun 17 03:01:48 i looked in some of the palm apps and they didnt use the 'Formatted' suffix Jun 17 03:01:58 but then i asked in here and haeffb filled me in Jun 17 03:03:08 that does it, now to figure how to limit it to certain list entries Jun 17 03:03:09 awesome Jun 17 03:04:09 dave Jun 17 03:04:18 yo Jun 17 03:04:19 it spits out the current model Jun 17 03:04:35 you could add into your model an ignore var Jun 17 03:04:44 similar to the save var to prevent deletes Jun 17 03:05:24 Don't forget to write stuff up on webos101.com! Jun 17 03:05:48 if (model.ignore == true) { return originalVar; } else { return formattedVar; } Jun 17 03:05:59 my needs are really simple, actually...just checking if this list entry is 'uri', then display something different, if it's a folder, leave it alone Jun 17 03:06:58 so I use the existing propert in the model 'uri' and then in function if(value) {return changedValue} else do nothing Jun 17 03:07:01 works great! Jun 17 03:07:52 beta app still stuck in review land.. was hoping to get that new version out before a bunch of people downloaded the broken one =/ Jun 17 03:08:03 ouchg Jun 17 03:08:46 http://twitpic.com/1xeotu Jun 17 03:09:17 Shoot, I've had a metadata change in the queue for 3+ days. Jun 17 03:09:53 oh, it finally went in. Jun 17 03:10:15 do alarms (background processes) stay after a reboot? Jun 17 03:11:35 dawm: Don't trust me but I believe that alarms will still go off. Jun 17 03:12:55 how do you get a color icon in the banner? Jun 17 03:13:00 i know badkitty does it somehow Jun 17 03:19:34 dawm: yep Jun 17 03:19:46 They stay. I can confirrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmm it. Jun 17 03:19:57 at least they are supposed to Jun 17 03:20:56 dawm: have you tried inspector? Jun 17 03:21:07 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1584&Itemid=263 has proof Jun 17 03:21:33 dawm: with inspector you can get the class or id of any element Jun 17 03:30:04 * Tibfib is excited dave balmer is joining the webos team Jun 17 03:51:20 but what of duarte :( Jun 17 04:00:11 haeffb: you around? Jun 17 04:00:22 well, is anyone around that's good with multi-stage apps? Jun 17 04:01:07 HattCzech: how complicated? Jun 17 04:01:37 asynchronous timing complicated Jun 17 04:01:50 i can launch it Jun 17 04:01:53 my data isn't there Jun 17 04:01:58 change it around, doesn't launch Jun 17 04:02:17 works when it's open, but not when first opened Jun 17 04:02:43 HattCzech: what type of data you passing? Jun 17 04:03:25 a list of items collected from a db Jun 17 04:04:06 http://webos.pastebin.com/rMaqkUim Jun 17 04:05:20 HattCzech: haeffb seems to know alot about db in the device Jun 17 04:06:41 yeah, if only he were around :/ Jun 17 04:07:18 HattCzech: i got your message earlier today regarding translations Jun 17 04:10:25 ...? i don't remember asking about translations earlier Jun 17 04:11:06 hmmm... will ask swisstomcat Jun 17 04:11:31 someone was asking about translations, but thought it was you Jun 17 04:11:50 hehe Jun 17 04:14:26 he will probably be hungover - after the switzerland win over spain Jun 17 04:15:31 hehehe, i heard about that :) Jun 17 04:15:41 not much of a soccer fan, but that's amusing Jun 17 04:15:50 yeah Jun 17 04:21:21 Anyone have a second to help me figure out where I went wrong with this scroller? I'm obviously too tired to figure it out on my own Jun 17 04:21:50 Roy-Pre101: http://webos101.com/List#List_formatters Jun 17 04:22:09 Roy-Pre101: horizontal or vertical scroller? Jun 17 04:22:23 Verical scroller Jun 17 04:22:28 *vertical Jun 17 04:22:42 did you specify its height? Jun 17 04:23:10 My horizontal one works great. :P The problem is the scroller isn't working at all. I did set it. I even tried setting it inside another div and setting that one's height. Jun 17 04:23:41 shit, gotta help my wife....pastebin what you have and I will take a look in a bit Jun 17 04:23:59 OK Jun 17 04:25:02 HTML: http://webos.pastebin.com/ghADsTB2 Jun 17 04:26:09 Javscript: http://webos.pastebin.com/eY5vRZHD Jun 17 04:27:11 also, I disabled the default scene scroller Jun 17 04:28:28 Roy-Pre101: what happens if you enable the default scene scroller? Jun 17 04:28:44 Then the whole page scrolls, not my section I want to scroll Jun 17 04:30:25 Roy-Pre101: cuss i have had some problems with scenes when i disable the default scene scroller Jun 17 04:30:59 Roy-Pre101: do a quick test with setting articleScroller height AND width inline Jun 17 04:31:50 roy, why did you use x-mojo-class instead of x-mojo-element? Jun 17 04:32:25 hmm Jun 17 04:32:36 I copied and pasted it from somewhere. It may be a typo! Jun 17 04:33:00 damn, nice catch Jun 17 04:33:28 ya, i didnt see that Jun 17 04:33:42 erll, there's more. Vertical goes in the attributes not the model Jun 17 04:34:00 rick-home: It can go in either. Jun 17 04:34:06 oh. ok Jun 17 04:34:09 ya Jun 17 04:34:15 rick-home: That did it! Jun 17 04:34:28 It is scrolling now. Still not the right height but that's a math problem. Jun 17 04:34:36 Genius! Jun 17 04:34:36 nodnod Jun 17 04:34:36 i use "this.controller.setupWidget('sScroll', this.scroller.attributes, this.scroller.model);" for a horizontal scroller Jun 17 04:34:57 I still never got my vertical-snap scroller working. Jun 17 04:35:08 I gave up on it for now and went with individual scenes. Jun 17 04:35:17 horizontal snap is working pretty well. Jun 17 04:35:30 vertical snap is exactly the same. Jun 17 04:35:33 Although I may switch it to use the Flash Cards method. Jun 17 04:35:36 i'd like to see someone post a horizontal list Jun 17 04:35:44 and by god, snap elements DO go in the model. Jun 17 04:35:57 heh. Jun 17 04:36:11 rick-home: Vertical-snap does work different from horizontal-snap Jun 17 04:36:30 and if you're doing vertical snap, then the vertical snap mode DOES go in the attributes. Jun 17 04:36:59 But the issue was that it worked until I called setSnapIndex then it went into free scroll mode. Jun 17 04:37:27 Once you got it to re-snap then it worked correctly. Not really good behavior. Jun 17 04:37:31 The only difference I know of is that a vertican snap uses y: element, element element instead of x: element element element Jun 17 04:38:06 rick-home: The difference is ona vertical-snap your height is the actual height of the scroll area. In horizonal-snap your width is the total width of all pages. Jun 17 04:38:11 BigBiff: I think reality9110 was working on a horizontal list-type thing Jun 17 04:38:25 ahhh Roy-Pre101 you're right. Jun 17 04:38:32 nice Jun 17 04:39:03 * BigBiff likes the accuweather app horiz scroller Jun 17 04:39:03 so you did myscroller.setSnapIndex(3,false) and then it started free scrolling? Jun 17 04:39:22 yep Jun 17 04:39:31 Did you try doing a setMode immidiately after the setSnapIndex? Jun 17 04:39:44 Yes, I tried that, I believe. Jun 17 04:40:12 I tried many things shy of sacrificing chickens. Jun 17 04:40:17 weird. Jun 17 04:40:20 current OS? Jun 17 04:40:25 It was a bit demoralizing. Jun 17 04:40:35 Which is why I rebooted and started with scenes instead. Jun 17 04:40:49 Tried with a couple versions. Jun 17 04:41:43 sitting here ready to go to bed, but trying to snipe in on an ebay auction.... Jun 17 04:48:55 anyone have problems with the inspector? Jun 17 04:49:01 it was working before... but not now :/ Jun 17 04:50:45 Inspector sucks. Use ares. Jun 17 04:50:45 urg Jun 17 04:51:56 ares isn't as good for coding Jun 17 04:52:03 can i just throw some stuff in ares? Jun 17 04:52:34 yes, package your entire app up in a zip and then use the arres upload command and it imports it and you can run and debug it in ares. Jun 17 04:52:35 HattCzech: you need to restart your emulator, after you rebuild an IPKG Jun 17 04:52:42 OR you can use the stand-alone debugger. Jun 17 04:53:24 HattCzech: that is why inspector stopped working, it sucks in that sense, Jun 17 04:53:30 i tried restarting emulator Jun 17 04:53:44 i usually just restart the inspector Jun 17 04:54:18 use the stand alone ares debugger... it attaches to the emulator and does everythign you mi8ght want. Jun 17 04:54:42 i always have to restart the emulator when using inspector =( Jun 17 04:55:33 i'm trying to use the debugger now Jun 17 04:56:38 now how do i view the page side? Jun 17 04:56:49 (how do i play with the style and everything?) Jun 17 05:00:33 anyone good with collapsible dividers/drawers? Jun 17 05:01:02 uh, there's a link to the emulator which has a web server in it that let's your chrome or webkit browser attach to the emulator, and inspect the page. Jun 17 05:01:07 hold on, I'll find it. Jun 17 05:01:21 that would be awesome Jun 17 05:01:32 wait, can i use firefox? Jun 17 05:02:14 LoneStar99: "Trae algo para la calentura" ? Jun 17 05:03:08 try something for the fever? Jun 17 05:03:21 that is portuguese Jun 17 05:03:41 oh, well crap Jun 17 05:03:56 some words are in spanish Jun 17 05:04:33 google tells me "bring something for the fever" Jun 17 05:06:46 grr, my dividers keep scrolling under the header Jun 17 05:06:51 it's not portugese Jun 17 05:07:16 trae isn't portugese Jun 17 05:08:09 calentura could be fever or cold-sore. Jun 17 05:08:38 that is the most random "support" e-mail i've ever received Jun 17 05:08:43 HattCzech: maybe "trae" is spanish means "bring" - "el va traer cerveza" - "he will bring beer" Jun 17 05:09:16 calentura can also mean "horny" Jun 17 05:09:29 "in heat" Jun 17 05:09:39 HattCzech -- "Host mode for webkit inspector" Jun 17 05:09:55 where was that? Jun 17 05:10:27 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744#emulator_host_mode Jun 17 05:11:02 HattCzech are you on windows, mac or linux? Jun 17 05:11:09 windows Jun 17 05:11:25 that's the hardest, you'll need to install tunnelier or cygwin to do it. Jun 17 05:11:36 read the article at the link, it has all the steps. Jun 17 05:11:47 jesus Jun 17 05:11:47 it's uber cool, you will never run inspector again as long as you live. Jun 17 05:11:58 yeah, but it USUALLY works Jun 17 05:12:22 which means... REBOOT! Jun 17 05:12:23 brb Jun 17 05:19:52 urg Jun 17 05:19:55 reboot fail Jun 17 05:20:46 see.... Jun 17 05:20:52 host mode. Really. Jun 17 05:20:58 i want to Jun 17 05:21:09 just don't want to spend the time tonight to setup cygwin and all that Jun 17 05:21:51 off to bed. Gnight all. Jun 17 05:22:29 HattCzech don't use cygwin, use tunnelier -- MUCH simpler. Jun 17 05:22:44 okay Jun 17 05:22:46 thanks for the help Jun 17 05:30:49 hmmm, this doesn't seem to be working Jun 17 05:50:22 Good morning Jun 17 06:05:03 hmmm Jun 17 06:05:29 trying to use rick's suggestion of chrome as debugger Jun 17 06:05:33 not working Jun 17 06:05:44 hmm - I wonder if anyone would have a spare pixi touchstone back ... Jun 17 06:06:06 hehe Jun 17 06:06:33 i'll buy one if you can tell me why chrome wont open http://localhost:5581/Apps Jun 17 06:06:54 apparently i have done something wrong Jun 17 06:07:40 ahh, sftp server not found Jun 17 06:17:53 BigBiff: i got it to open Jun 17 06:17:58 but it gave me a weird page Jun 17 06:18:13 ya Jun 17 06:18:15 ? Jun 17 06:18:19 "This is the hidden window of a faceless application." Jun 17 06:18:25 and a "Launch" button Jun 17 06:18:29 i got nada Jun 17 06:19:08 you still have the cmd prompt open, right? Jun 17 06:19:15 ya Jun 17 06:19:50 and you did the C2S forwarding Jun 17 06:19:53 ? Jun 17 06:19:59 ya Jun 17 06:20:17 well, crap... mine doesn't seem to be working now, either :) Jun 17 06:20:44 using chrome or safari? Jun 17 06:20:46 What is the good thing about using chrom as debugger? Jun 17 06:20:52 beats me Jun 17 06:21:14 better than inspector Jun 17 06:21:21 supposedly Jun 17 06:21:28 But why chrom and not firefox ? Jun 17 06:21:42 chrome uses webkit, firefox doesn't Jun 17 06:21:52 urg... got that same page to pop up Jun 17 06:21:56 but launch does nothing! Jun 17 06:22:21 uhh good point :) Jun 17 06:22:49 hmmm Jun 17 06:25:56 no, tunnelier keeps saying sftp server not found Jun 17 06:26:04 i get that too Jun 17 06:26:10 hmm Jun 17 06:26:19 hehehe, exactly :) Jun 17 06:26:22 but then i get nothng in chrome Jun 17 06:26:47 oops could not connect" Jun 17 06:27:07 i dont even really want/need to be doing this Jun 17 06:27:09 but Jun 17 06:27:15 i cant stand to not have this figured out Jun 17 06:27:25 i wont sleep Jun 17 06:27:33 my ocd is kickin in Jun 17 06:33:43 ugh Jun 17 06:33:53 if you can't make plam-inspector work, what's the other thing? Jun 17 06:35:18 hehe Jun 17 06:35:23 the thing i cant make work Jun 17 06:35:48 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744#emulator_host_mode Jun 17 06:37:01 ah, great thanks Jun 17 06:40:03 hey, it works, too! Jun 17 06:42:41 bah Jun 17 06:43:04 tunnelier? or cygwin Jun 17 06:43:12 that's okay, apparently I don't know how to set background images Jun 17 06:43:21 hehe Jun 17 06:43:21 BigBiff: nah, Ubuntu and openssh Jun 17 06:43:27 oh Jun 17 06:43:49 tunnelier works for me BigBiff Jun 17 06:43:56 and with that, I'm off to bed. Jun 17 06:44:03 i must have issues with the ip Jun 17 06:45:02 doesnt help that i understand nothing about ssh Jun 17 06:48:39 connection refused Jun 17 06:48:49 *sigh* Jun 17 06:49:06 what the hell have i done to my comp Jun 17 06:55:45 ok i give up Jun 17 06:55:46 bedtime Jun 17 07:08:52 morning Jun 17 07:24:54 Good morning swisstomcat Jun 17 07:34:26 morning hotdp Jun 17 08:44:01 morning Jun 17 08:45:45 morning Jun 17 09:04:36 what's up ? Jun 17 09:07:12 not much Jun 17 09:07:15 working on my apps Jun 17 09:08:00 you? Jun 17 09:08:07 heard anything from the contest yet? Jun 17 09:10:58 anyone with a true webos device could get a free ipkg for me ? Jun 17 09:11:20 swisstomcat, nothing yet from the contest Jun 17 09:11:43 that one: http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=de.omoco.vuvuzela Jun 17 09:12:16 oh no Jun 17 09:12:20 I tried that yesterday, got an "not a valid application" message Jun 17 09:13:23 downloading Jun 17 09:13:28 oh, really ? Jun 17 09:13:46 working now. it must have been fixed Jun 17 09:13:48 works here Jun 17 09:15:33 I have it on my phone, but how do I get it to my pc ? Jun 17 09:17:51 have you made http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=de.omoco.vuvuzela ? Jun 17 09:18:07 me? Jun 17 09:18:36 warpdesign Jun 17 09:18:38 ? Jun 17 09:18:54 I was nearly KILLED at work 1 hour ago because i fired it up :s Jun 17 09:19:05 :D Jun 17 09:19:28 some tv channel now remove it from the matches Jun 17 09:19:33 no Jun 17 09:19:36 i didn't made it Jun 17 09:19:40 just wanted to try it Jun 17 09:19:51 but need someone to get it for me since i only got the emulator Jun 17 09:20:04 warpdesign__: just tell me how to get it out of the phone Jun 17 09:20:13 http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/vuvuzela-trumpet was the one i got Jun 17 09:20:26 that's another one Jun 17 09:24:05 i know Jun 17 09:24:10 but i nearly died Jun 17 10:22:53 swisstomcat: would you know how to get the .ipk downloaded from appCatalog out of the phone ? Jun 17 10:23:47 yeah, but then i'd have to kill you :) Jun 17 10:24:10 tell me, and then catch me if you can ;p Jun 17 10:26:56 come on, I don't run that fast Jun 17 10:50:49 it seems /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications is the place to look at. Now your turn for the slaughter :p Jun 17 10:55:10 now I see that an app I downloaded is packed. Anyone knows if it has any advantage or if it just slows down the app for nothing ? Jun 17 10:58:13 doesn't slow down anything since it has to be unpacked before running ;) Jun 17 10:58:29 maybe slight delay at launch, but barely noticable Jun 17 10:59:42 the gain in bw would be barely noticable too Jun 17 10:59:49 bw ? Jun 17 10:59:57 bandwitdth Jun 17 11:01:11 I can't find a good reason to pack the app Jun 17 11:02:07 packed in what way? Jun 17 11:02:34 p.a.c.k.e.r Jun 17 11:02:55 as in dean edwards packer Jun 17 11:04:23 ah, javascript is packed. that's for speed on launch. less to read from very slow flash. Jun 17 11:05:01 you think reading from flash is slower than unpacking ? Jun 17 11:07:36 yeo Jun 17 11:07:38 yep Jun 17 11:07:54 disk access on webOS devices is very slow compared to CPU operations Jun 17 11:09:36 good to know :) Jun 17 11:14:51 Famic, you can't find any good reasons to pack files ? :) Jun 17 11:20:07 obsfucation is one reason why some authors do it, not realising that those who really want to read their javascript code can easily decrypt it Jun 17 11:20:19 but it also has the side effect of faster loading Jun 17 12:04:37 g'mornin everyone Jun 17 12:04:51 mornin' lonestar Jun 17 12:08:02 swisstomcat: you hungover celebrating beating spain? Jun 17 12:09:09 not really .. but i heard people went crazy Jun 17 12:13:09 yeah I bet Jun 17 12:20:38 haeffb: did you receive the translations file? Jun 17 12:21:17 swisstomcat: someone contacted me regarding some translations but can't remember who it was. maybe htoDP? Jun 17 12:21:21 hotDP? Jun 17 12:21:26 It was me :) Jun 17 12:21:33 probably, yes Jun 17 12:24:22 HotDP: oh ok, confused you for HattCzech Jun 17 12:44:31 swisstomcat: can i release a german app, only translated in english? Jun 17 12:45:00 you mean release an english app in germany? Jun 17 12:49:15 you can translate ingles 2 german right? Jun 17 12:51:50 swisstomcat: message above Jun 17 13:19:15 LoneStar99: just purchased app cat search Jun 17 13:21:04 wow we have a new spam author in the catalog Jun 17 13:21:13 AppBookShop Jun 17 13:21:16 jeez Jun 17 13:25:18 haeffb_pre: nice, let me know what you think of "app cat" Jun 17 13:25:36 just finished revamping yesterday Jun 17 13:29:29 morning all Jun 17 13:29:47 yes it is Jun 17 13:29:59 hi hattczech Jun 17 13:30:01 and haeffb Jun 17 13:30:11 so haeffb_pre, i FINALLY got that multi-stage stuff working Jun 17 13:30:42 hey swisstomcat Jun 17 13:30:51 awesome Jun 17 13:30:52 i got bumped out of the top 221 last night :/ Jun 17 13:30:57 :( Jun 17 13:31:01 warning: Mojo.Event.listen: 'handlerFunction' parameter must be a function. Jun 17 13:31:01 that was a short-lived 2 days Jun 17 13:31:49 bummer Jun 17 13:31:59 hi swisstomcat Jun 17 13:32:12 warning: Mojo.Event.listen: 'handlerFunction' parameter must be a function. ... any ideas? Jun 17 13:32:20 so make it a function Jun 17 13:32:25 it is Jun 17 13:32:35 activate: function() { Jun 17 13:32:46 rick-home: you around? Jun 17 13:33:42 what's ur listen look like? Jun 17 13:33:55 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.stageController.document, Mojo.Event.stageActivate, Graph.activate() ); Jun 17 13:34:17 nothing special i think Jun 17 13:34:42 Graph is a class? Jun 17 13:34:53 yeah Jun 17 13:35:03 Graph={ Jun 17 13:35:30 strange Jun 17 13:35:47 do you instantiate an instance of Graph? Jun 17 13:35:51 no Jun 17 13:35:59 it's in models/graph.js Jun 17 13:36:04 and in sources.json Jun 17 13:36:05 var graph = new Graph(); Jun 17 13:36:10 arg! can't use inspector or this emulator host mode to look at my page styling! Jun 17 13:36:23 why not hattczech? Jun 17 13:37:09 emulator host mode gives me a page with "This is a hidden window of a faceless application" with a launch button Jun 17 13:37:15 but the launch button doesn't do anything Jun 17 13:37:20 hmm Jun 17 13:37:23 never seen that Jun 17 13:37:43 and inspector has no content in the body :/ Jun 17 13:38:37 what are the directories I need for "german" and "spanish" ?? Jun 17 13:38:45 resources/de Jun 17 13:38:53 resources/sp (?) Jun 17 13:39:15 swisstomcat: maybe "es" not sure Jun 17 13:40:02 es Jun 17 13:40:04 es, you're correct Jun 17 13:40:13 HattCzech: I never got host mode to work Jun 17 13:40:23 urg! somewhat figured it out Jun 17 13:40:31 can't have noWindow: true in appInfo Jun 17 13:40:45 and handleLaunch needs to be gone Jun 17 13:40:52 swisstomcat: thanks Jun 17 13:41:03 de for german, es for spanish Jun 17 13:42:05 swisstomcat: my experience has been that I define an object, then create an instance as above Jun 17 13:42:31 "resources/de/strings.json" right? Jun 17 13:42:46 then use graph.whatever Jun 17 13:42:56 I believe mine is a port forwarding issue Jun 17 13:42:58 correct Jun 17 13:43:19 don't forget appinfo.json as well Jun 17 13:43:25 haeffb: it actually works without Jun 17 13:43:34 true Jun 17 13:43:52 localized appinfo.json is not mandatory Jun 17 13:44:44 except in listen...? Jun 17 13:45:47 maybe Jun 17 13:46:03 k thanks Jun 17 13:46:04 still hacking away on it Jun 17 13:46:27 can hint text be "localized" Jun 17 13:46:35 hint text? Jun 17 13:46:51 yes Jun 17 13:47:17 this.textFieldAtt = { hintText: 'image search', textFieldName: 'name', etc... } Jun 17 13:47:41 swisstomcat: add a fcn in yoir assist that calls Graph.activate ? Jun 17 13:48:05 lonestar: hintTetx: $L('image search'), Jun 17 13:48:15 haeffb: yeah, that could work Jun 17 13:49:11 anyone know when @webosroundup records their podcast? Jun 17 13:50:48 swisstomcat: ok thanks my syntax was a little off Jun 17 13:51:15 shouldn't a #item css class override everything else? Jun 17 14:09:16 if I am using "Mojo.Menu.helpItem" to popup the help menu, how can I localize "help" Jun 17 14:09:59 should be automagic Jun 17 14:10:50 indeed it is Jun 17 14:11:20 oh so "help" is automatically converted? Jun 17 14:13:22 in the menu, yes Jun 17 14:13:27 yeah Jun 17 14:13:38 preferences too Jun 17 14:14:43 HattCzech:is the host mode worth me pullin my hair out trying to configure? Jun 17 14:14:57 or should I stick w inspector Jun 17 14:15:22 well inspector doesnt always work Jun 17 14:15:37 and usually you have to restart the emulator and it still doesnt work ;p Jun 17 14:15:42 so host mode might be worth the trouble Jun 17 14:15:55 ok cool Jun 17 14:15:59 less work =) Jun 17 14:16:02 hmm Jun 17 14:17:20 so, do I need to do any frwrding on my router? Jun 17 14:17:56 surely not Jun 17 14:27:57 bbl Jun 17 14:36:31 in terminal how do I get a list of commands? Jun 17 14:40:15 can a phone have an IP_address? Jun 17 14:40:54 torchie : you don't. try ls /usr/bin or ls /usr/sbin to see some of them Jun 17 14:41:00 LoneStar99: they do Jun 17 14:41:09 there is a "whatismyip" app on preware Jun 17 14:41:19 or ifconfig in the terminal should tell you Jun 17 14:44:16 Famic: so theoritically a phone can be a little web server? Jun 17 14:44:30 LoneStar99: webos is a linux Jun 17 14:44:42 most web servers are... Jun 17 14:47:06 Famic: yeah what about aquiring the IP address of a mobile? Jun 17 14:47:56 I don't know how, but you can do it. Ask HattCzech_work if he's around Jun 17 14:53:05 grrrr Jun 17 14:53:18 I hate to be needy... Jun 17 14:53:28 lol Jun 17 14:53:46 but anyone help me troubleshoot host emu Jun 17 14:53:53 since my forum gets barely any traffic i switch to getsatisfaction, i just gotta add it into my apps now Jun 17 14:54:07 I'd like to use it... Jun 17 14:55:15 sftp server not found Jun 17 14:58:54 Famic: thanks Jun 17 14:59:10 hah got it :-p Jun 17 14:59:49 had to use local ip, not local host in browser ftr Jun 17 15:02:58 wow it's slow Jun 17 15:03:58 dawm: : what is that? Jun 17 15:04:12 getsatisfaction.com Jun 17 15:05:59 what's up? Jun 17 15:07:10 sftp server won't be found, BigBiff_pre Jun 17 15:07:39 I got it.. I can see all my apps now Jun 17 15:07:57 okay cool Jun 17 15:08:01 it's only good for some instances Jun 17 15:08:12 i still need to use the inspector for mine Jun 17 15:08:40 apps aren't launching though Jun 17 15:08:51 LoneStar99: how are you trying to get IPs? and what for? Jun 17 15:09:13 the apps that are noWindow won't work Jun 17 15:09:33 does the app need to be running in the emu first? Jun 17 15:09:41 i don't think so Jun 17 15:09:56 it did it's own rendering and stuff for mine Jun 17 15:10:04 and none of the data was there Jun 17 15:10:09 what is nowindow Jun 17 15:10:27 multi-stage apps Jun 17 15:10:30 appInfo parameter Jun 17 15:10:43 ahh: none of those for me Jun 17 15:11:42 its sad.. i havent watched tv in like 4days.. Jun 17 15:11:51 im afraid to turn it on and see what the DVR has eaten :( Jun 17 15:14:39 HattCzech_work: have not tried to get IPs for WebOS devices, but would it be possible? Jun 17 15:17:56 possibly, depends on how you're trying to do it Jun 17 15:18:18 i have my app check with my server when it opens, so i get the ip then (at the server) Jun 17 15:20:46 HattCzech_work: what command are you using to get the IP address? Jun 17 15:21:26 using php... $ip = $_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"]; Jun 17 15:23:09 HattCzech_work: oh ok, Jun 17 15:23:36 then i log it in mysql Jun 17 15:24:57 HattCzech_work: by "check" with webserver do you mean send an AJAX request? Jun 17 15:25:06 correct Jun 17 15:25:08 to server Jun 17 15:27:33 what varchar do you use? 30 chars? Jun 17 15:31:27 anyone good with wordpress? Jun 17 15:31:38 i cannot for the life of me get these images to center Jun 17 15:34:11 can anyone confirm that 89.204.137.* ip addresses are o2 germany? Jun 17 15:34:30 varchar 15 Jun 17 15:34:37 maximum length of ip address Jun 17 15:34:44 k thanks Jun 17 15:34:54 want the exact php i use? Jun 17 15:35:26 oh, nm Jun 17 15:35:29 there's nothing else to IP Jun 17 15:35:46 good morning, all. Jun 17 15:35:47 but deviceId and other input parameters you need to make sure to parse and clean up Jun 17 15:35:53 morning, chuqui Jun 17 15:35:57 i have a question for you Jun 17 15:36:16 shoot. Jun 17 15:36:27 i tried to send an MMS this morning with an attachment (m4a format) Jun 17 15:36:38 all carriers rejected it Jun 17 15:36:57 is that something that happens because of the carrier or because of webos? Jun 17 15:37:05 I believe that's carrier. Jun 17 15:37:11 heh Jun 17 15:37:52 on sprint, i got "failed to download message" and when i click on it, it says... Jun 17 15:38:37 "unable to download message" error... "device is full. delete files to clear space"... two options... retry message fetch and ok Jun 17 15:39:44 that might be webos, then. not sure. Jun 17 15:40:00 for at&t, t-mobile, and verizon, i got a message from sprint saying "the picture/video you sent to XXXXXXXXXX may not be received. the receiving service provider has a file size limit Jun 17 15:40:34 just thought i'd throw that out there... it might be a problem with MMS in general not supporting m4a, but i'm not sure Jun 17 15:41:03 that's also possible. to be honest, I don't know. Not something I've experimented with myself yet. Jun 17 15:41:08 stop trying to do evil steganography in your m4a files and maybe it will work Jun 17 15:41:28 if you could pass that along to someone who deals with that, i would appreciate it Jun 17 15:41:43 and i'm sending you an e-mail to reject my app request Jun 17 15:42:00 i love this phone Jun 17 15:42:13 will do, thanks. Jun 17 15:43:09 playing zelda on visualboy, I get a call in the middle of it Jun 17 15:43:28 take the call on speaker while continuing to play, no fuss no muss Jun 17 15:43:46 torchie: again I find it difficult to disagree Jun 17 15:49:30 if I do var html = "This text"; can I get at "This text" by doing html.innerHTML Jun 17 15:52:58 i believe so Jun 17 15:54:04 didnt work :( Jun 17 15:54:06 got the whole doc Jun 17 15:54:42 if you assign an id to the body, you can do it that way Jun 17 15:54:46 have to get the child of html Jun 17 15:54:49 (that's how you do it with divs) Jun 17 15:54:55 HattCzech_work: i cant modify the html Jun 17 15:54:59 i am pulling it from the web Jun 17 15:55:05 i just want to get at a piece of it Jun 17 15:55:39 .childElement(0) or something... Jun 17 15:56:42 do you have a test page? Jun 17 16:18:00 does the pre turn off automatically when the temperature gets too high? Jun 17 16:18:16 mine hasnt Jun 17 16:18:43 scary...? Jun 17 16:18:53 running sprint nav for 3 hours got it super hot... never turned off Jun 17 16:19:28 I accidentally fell asleep while leaving the phone plugged in and running youtube and other things Jun 17 16:19:47 and it was in a cramped space Jun 17 16:19:51 PuffTheMagic: I think because there is already another 'html' element auto-generated for you Jun 17 16:19:55 my friend's ipod woke me up at like 6 in the morning and I found the phone steaming hard Jun 17 16:19:55 well, protection program - I figure they'll just gimme a new one Jun 17 16:19:56 let me look at my host emu Jun 17 16:21:20 haeffb: any ideas how I can control my ajax data flow? I'm at a loss - and at this point I really don't care if the spinner spins Jun 17 16:21:22 PuffTheMagic: there IS already an element 'html' in the document, head and body are children of it, so that's why you're getting the whole thing Jun 17 16:22:11 I don't know if php can buffer the output Jun 17 16:22:51 php can do anything Jun 17 16:22:55 BigBiff_pre: you could find out how many records you would be getting, send that number back, then figure out a decent number of "chunks" and sizes of them, then request in chunks Jun 17 16:24:22 mmmmmmm slurpeeeee Jun 17 16:25:31 sugardave: so multiple requests with different params iow Jun 17 16:25:39 basically, yeah Jun 17 16:25:51 sorta like pagination Jun 17 16:25:59 the onsuccess of each request calls the next chunk Jun 17 16:26:06 right Jun 17 16:27:14 sugardave: is that ur php script on webos101? I can't remembr Jun 17 16:27:29 which? the mysql to json one? Jun 17 16:27:30 yes Jun 17 16:27:36 ya Jun 17 16:27:39 cool Jun 17 16:27:45 it is NOT robust ;P Jun 17 16:28:13 it's great actually Jun 17 16:28:22 it's simple and it works :D Jun 17 16:28:30 yup Jun 17 16:30:08 dawm: check out and add to http://webos101.com/List#List_formatters Jun 17 16:30:17 how many different params can pe sent via ajax? is there a limit? I'm gonna have to do some reading I guess Jun 17 16:30:26 huh? Jun 17 16:30:31 i just learntd it last night :p Jun 17 16:30:37 dawm: me, too :P Jun 17 16:31:04 BigBiff_pre: I think you'll only hit a limit if you're using GET Jun 17 16:31:20 k Jun 17 16:31:31 but, I'm not 100% on that Jun 17 16:32:39 dave Jun 17 16:32:48 yo Jun 17 16:32:54 dont think your example is gonna work Jun 17 16:32:57 it does Jun 17 16:32:59 :D Jun 17 16:33:10 I'm using it right now Jun 17 16:33:19 with a blank return? Jun 17 16:33:26 should you return the unformatted value? Jun 17 16:33:33 nope Jun 17 16:33:58 basically it says "If your property name isn't 'irregular' don't do anything" Jun 17 16:34:24 value will be undefined if there is no 'irregular' property for that particular list entry Jun 17 16:34:25 dont think thats really a good example tho Jun 17 16:34:51 fix it :D Jun 17 16:34:56 when i think formatted i think changing a numeric date to textual, or adding emphasis when needed Jun 17 16:34:58 ;p Jun 17 16:35:15 but then i have to test it.. i dont wanna Jun 17 16:35:16 in my real case, it's parsing a URI to just get the file name Jun 17 16:35:55 I write things and it's up to the readers to decide how to use it :D Jun 17 16:36:06 yeah but the way you have it its more confusing Jun 17 16:37:12 would be better with a timestamp to long date formatting coversion Jun 17 16:37:23 or case conversion Jun 17 16:37:25 if I have time to mess with it later, I will Jun 17 16:39:12 is there a jscript function to uppercase? Jun 17 16:39:25 I think so Jun 17 16:39:43 String.toUpper() or String.toUpperCase() probably Jun 17 16:41:03 what I didn't quite get is 'model' I was only messing with value when you responded last night Jun 17 16:41:15 model is the current item Jun 17 16:41:18 in the model Jun 17 16:41:22 so the model that gets passed to the formatter is what....all the properties of the current item? Jun 17 16:41:26 got it Jun 17 16:41:33 youll see when i fix your example :P Jun 17 16:41:45 so that way you can modify a different property based on the value of another Jun 17 16:41:50 man, that is fancy Jun 17 16:41:52 yeah Jun 17 16:42:00 i dont even know whats passed as value Jun 17 16:42:03 cause i was just using model Jun 17 16:42:11 whats value? Jun 17 16:42:20 in that case it's 'irregular' Jun 17 16:42:27 whatever the key is on the formatter Jun 17 16:42:41 .toLocaleLowerCase(); and .toLocaleUpperCase(); Jun 17 16:42:59 ill just use toUpperCase Jun 17 16:43:04 heh Jun 17 16:43:06 that one works? Jun 17 16:43:12 okay Jun 17 16:43:15 komodo suggested it Jun 17 16:43:26 then komodo knows Jun 17 16:44:00 i just had that code from something palm did... so figured it might be more correct? :) Jun 17 16:44:23 if you want to have things done correctly outside the USA, but I'm a jingoist Jun 17 16:45:17 dave so in your original example what does value turn into? Jun 17 16:45:49 nothing, it's always that key, the string 'irregular' Jun 17 16:46:20 I thought it was supposed to let us use that to only run the formatter on that property, but it still evaluates all the others in the model as well Jun 17 16:46:27 wait its the name of the formatter? Jun 17 16:46:32 yep Jun 17 16:47:01 but then in your example it would format both items in the list Jun 17 16:47:19 since value is always gonna be something Jun 17 16:47:22 that's whay I say if (value) { change it} else {do nothing} Jun 17 16:47:31 but theres always gonna be a value Jun 17 16:47:44 value will be undefined if there is no 'irregular' property in the model Jun 17 16:48:04 i dont think it works like that Jun 17 16:48:08 it does Jun 17 16:48:16 truly Jun 17 16:48:49 damn you now i gotta fire up the emulator Jun 17 16:48:54 haha Jun 17 16:49:21 see the way i use it, my formatter isnt any part of my model Jun 17 16:49:29 its just a reference to the template variable Jun 17 16:49:49 here's how I'm using it: Jun 17 16:50:48 I have a single scene I want to push over and over again and the list either will have folders, files, or both....my template is simply two divs, one with #{folder.name} and one with #{uriFormatted} Jun 17 16:51:13 so, I added 'uri': function() {...} in the formatters attribute so I can massage the URI into just a file name Jun 17 16:51:33 when it runs, the folder names have their own entries, and the file entries are modified as I expect Jun 17 16:51:39 ok Jun 17 16:51:45 i know how it works Jun 17 16:51:54 its gonna be a bit to explain it properly Jun 17 16:52:07 value is only defined if the formatter is in the model Jun 17 16:52:16 otherwise its undefined but still turned into a template variable Jun 17 16:52:23 in my use, value = undefined Jun 17 16:52:40 but if i change the formatter to match an item in my model, it becomes that value Jun 17 16:53:01 yes Jun 17 16:53:07 BUT Jun 17 16:53:15 the original uri property is still intact Jun 17 16:53:25 so when I click the list entry I still get at it with item.uri Jun 17 16:53:40 yeah Jun 17 16:53:45 thats why it appends Formatted Jun 17 16:53:51 yep yep Jun 17 16:53:54 so you can access the original and formatted in the template Jun 17 16:54:15 in my use of it in my app, im just making a new template variable Jun 17 16:54:31 ah, I see now what you mean Jun 17 16:54:32 im not formatting one specific Jun 17 16:54:49 im making a new variable based on data in the model that i decide to use Jun 17 16:55:10 heres my function (hence why i didnt know what value was) Jun 17 16:55:11 if (model.silent == true) { return 'Ringtone disabled (silent)'; } Jun 17 16:55:11 else if (model.ringtone) { return 'Ringtone: '+model.ringtone.name; } Jun 17 16:55:51 yeah, I found the value argument listed on the Mojo.Model.format page with encrypt/decrypt Jun 17 16:55:55 nowhere else Jun 17 16:56:03 yeah theres like no docs on this ;p Jun 17 16:56:18 i think i can explain it now Jun 17 16:56:24 PIONEERING NEW TERRITROY Jun 17 16:57:05 blah, meetings Jun 17 17:02:12 in JS its var++ to increment right? Jun 17 17:07:13 correct Jun 17 17:11:59 ok i think i have something that will work Jun 17 17:14:02 there i messed it all up Jun 17 17:36:28 there Jun 17 17:36:36 sugardave, i think i covered all the bases i know of Jun 17 17:47:40 was anyone just in the att dev intro to webos livemeeting? Jun 17 17:48:16 oh shit Jun 17 17:48:28 oh Jun 17 17:48:29 shit Jun 17 17:48:29 i totally forgot abotu that Jun 17 17:48:32 yeah... nope Jun 17 17:48:45 hehe, gotta set a meeting up in the calendar app :) Jun 17 17:49:14 the sound went out about 40 minutes after start Jun 17 17:49:38 and then it just kinda went to a one question survey "how useful was this for you?" Jun 17 17:49:45 i think they had technical difficulties :) Jun 17 17:50:37 oh well Jun 17 17:50:41 it brought up a question though. they used: Jun 17 17:50:43 atleast i can listen in on the last 10minutes.. Jun 17 17:50:54
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Jun 17 17:51:33 and setting up the label in setupWidget Jun 17 17:51:33 both works Jun 17 17:51:49 I noticed setupWIdget only works with the x-mojo-element Jun 17 17:51:55 i think you need the x-mojo tho for setupwidget to work Jun 17 17:53:53 nice! Jun 17 17:53:59 in intime for the contest question Jun 17 17:58:29 they totally failed on my question Jun 17 17:59:03 can i change settings like disabled if it's class="palm-button" ? Jun 17 17:59:14 no Jun 17 17:59:19 thats just gonna appear to be a button Jun 17 17:59:39 does the emu work with virtualbox 3.2.4? Jun 17 17:59:41 oh ok Jun 17 17:59:49 i asked them when access to the vibrate settings and volume settings would be allowed Jun 17 18:00:20 oh will that be? Jun 17 18:00:34 he said he didnt know Jun 17 18:00:34 we really need access to the volume for a good alarm program Jun 17 18:00:42 i need both for my ringtone app Jun 17 18:00:45 it's nice to go to sleep with music quietly and wake up with music loudly :) Jun 17 18:00:57 i can GET the settings, but not SET them Jun 17 18:01:04 hmm Jun 17 18:01:26 ive already got the code all done :P but the API doesnt allow anyone other than com.palm Jun 17 18:02:18 did he know about the microphone api? maybe control of volume will come when that whole update comes out Jun 17 18:02:59 in fall Jun 17 18:03:10 mic and camera direct access in fall Jun 17 18:03:30 yeah Jun 17 18:03:38 oh ok Jun 17 18:03:49 i was figuring maybe the volume control in fall as well Jun 17 18:03:57 thats too damn long Jun 17 18:04:16 the other option is to look at webos internalz Jun 17 18:04:26 they have some low level sound controls Jun 17 18:04:44 but it'll be hard to get it released into the appstore using their stuff i imagine Jun 17 18:04:45 say whaaaaa Jun 17 18:04:55 oh i can use it now Jun 17 18:04:58 mic access really? Jun 17 18:05:01 but my appid becomes com.palm.xxxx Jun 17 18:05:08 oh Jun 17 18:05:08 and that wont make it into the store Jun 17 18:05:38 when you access the volume, the system changes your appid? Jun 17 18:05:48 no Jun 17 18:05:50 or you have to change your appid to trick the service? Jun 17 18:05:56 yeah Jun 17 18:05:59 oh ok Jun 17 18:06:06 that sucks Jun 17 18:06:52 maybe you should start a petition for them to open that up. I'll sign it :) Jun 17 18:08:28 can I talk yet? Jun 17 18:08:42 hey. maybe. i guess I had to register. maybe that's what they were telling me not to forget.. Jun 17 18:10:48 i'm playing around with my first app in webos. it took me awhile to figure out why domElement.update() was a method, this is because Prototype is included by Mojo - is that correct? Jun 17 18:20:01 can anybody help me with a couple of Mojo / Prototype questions? Jun 17 18:29:11 Roy-Pre101 -- saw your tweet. Can't you go to a command line and use find? Jun 17 18:29:39 why not command space and then type Jun 17 18:30:19 rick-home: Yes, I can. But that's annoying when I'm in Finder and just want to find a file in a directory quickly. Jun 17 18:31:04 Finder has a search box but it defaults to search in files and whole computer. Changing options doesn't always work. Jun 17 18:31:15 Also annoying: Trying to use Palm SDK on SUSE... Jun 17 18:31:29 Oh, I went away for a few minutes and it finally did my search. Jun 17 18:32:23 wow Jun 17 18:32:26 that was a first Jun 17 18:32:35 a website calling me just incase i needed help Jun 17 18:32:44 i <3 getstatisfaction Jun 17 18:33:47 i was have tempted to ignore the call since i dont know anyone in California Jun 17 18:42:37 * theninjaroach is an idiot. Jun 17 18:45:31 lol Jun 17 18:46:11 new Ajax.Request('http://www.perceptionilluminates.com/', { onSuccess: this.bk.ajaxHandler(response) } ); Jun 17 18:46:20 // response isn't defined??? wtf??? :) Jun 17 18:46:29 i guess that's what happens when you deviate from the tutorials Jun 17 18:48:05 theninjaroach: You're not calling ajaxHandler there. You're passing the function to the request. Jun 17 18:48:14 kinda got the host emu kickin Jun 17 18:48:45 cool to see all the mojo files without having to dig Jun 17 18:49:13 I know. I effed up. Jun 17 18:49:33 I just got the debugger working (palm-inspector is not gonna work on my system no matter how hard i try) and it finally gave me a clue. Jun 17 18:50:05 ahh man.. palm was in madison, wi .. bastards! Jun 17 18:50:30 well, I can see the files but can't interact with the app Jun 17 18:50:38 just a black scren Jun 17 18:51:09 is the only way to see the Mojo files to look at where ever TF they are installed on the emu / device? Jun 17 18:51:28 no they are in the share dir Jun 17 18:51:35 of the sdk folder Jun 17 18:51:48 BigBiff: emulator does not work with virtualbox 3.2.4 Jun 17 18:52:17 actually, emus running on 3.2.4 Jun 17 18:52:31 wha wha!? Jun 17 18:52:37 ya Jun 17 18:52:38 i tried and had issues Jun 17 18:52:43 i'll give it another shot Jun 17 18:52:48 just upgraded to see Jun 17 18:53:10 might have been the "oracle virtualbox" vs "sun microsystems virtualbox" Jun 17 18:53:18 prototype is 115K (!!) Jun 17 18:53:19 but still can't bring up app in chrome Jun 17 18:53:38 or safari Jun 17 18:53:49 i kinda got it working in chrome Jun 17 18:54:08 but any palm events don't work (like file picker and stuff) Jun 17 18:54:43 I click on app.. I can only see the background image Jun 17 18:55:44 anything specific have to be true in the config? Jun 17 18:56:13 like debugging or animate with css? Jun 17 18:57:53 not that i know of Jun 17 18:58:21 hmm Jun 17 18:58:50 it's like the ap never finishes loading into the browser Jun 17 18:58:57 very strange Jun 17 19:00:16 I'll just look at the troubleshooting guide at palm Jun 17 19:00:19 hah Jun 17 19:00:30 not as strange as the "there is no window" stuff i was getting :) Jun 17 19:00:59 how did you resolve that? Jun 17 19:05:22 made it non multi-stage Jun 17 19:07:54 ohh Jun 17 19:08:17 guess I'll hit the forum Jun 17 19:08:52 maybe unwiredben will have a suggestion Jun 17 19:10:30 is there any way to NOT include Prototype with a WebOS app? Jun 17 19:10:35 or does Mojo require it Jun 17 19:10:42 theninjaroach: Mojo requires it. Jun 17 19:11:42 dawm: nice work Jun 17 19:11:56 do you hink the code works? cause i didnt test it :P Jun 17 19:12:08 hehe, it looks like it should be fine Jun 17 19:14:05 OT: IE8 sucks: document.forms["reviewForm"].action refers to an input named "action" if one exists ;) Jun 17 19:16:42 chuqui: what are the odds of getting my app featured again? :) Jun 17 19:17:17 I dunno. don't run that dept. Jun 17 19:17:26 but probably not high, if it's been promoed. Jun 17 19:21:50 figured as much, but thought i'd ask Jun 17 19:21:55 i've seen a couple roll through twice Jun 17 19:22:25 but those are the companies, not the lowly individual developers Jun 17 19:23:03 Yeah... the gameloft games have been featured a lot... Jun 17 19:30:12 hai Jun 17 19:35:23 hello Jun 17 19:36:01 * theninjaroach is not so good with always knowing where "this" points to Jun 17 19:36:04 any opengl peeps around? Jun 17 19:36:30 i got a friend big into opengl.. he's not into palm, though i might get him into it soon ;) Jun 17 19:37:22 word Jun 17 19:37:36 my code runs great on the computer, its the phone where it's sucking Jun 17 19:39:30 that's tough. i am going through the same adjustments when it comes to web stuff... getting used to 'every cycle counts' Jun 17 19:43:25 codeslaw: Performance problems? Jun 17 19:43:40 Robdor: just the Rob i wanted to see Jun 17 19:43:50 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7672 Jun 17 19:43:50 :) Jun 17 19:44:16 much easier than trying to explain it here Jun 17 19:44:53 codeslaw: what part of austin atre you in? Jun 17 19:45:00 central Jun 17 19:45:03 i work downtown Jun 17 19:45:08 everyone is in austin Jun 17 19:45:16 only a few :) Jun 17 19:45:19 hip town Jun 17 19:45:31 yeah neato tuxedo Jun 17 19:45:57 sugardave and i have a business plan... step 1) join forces... step 2) ???... step 3) profit! Jun 17 19:46:02 want in? Jun 17 19:46:04 atown is in the house Jun 17 19:46:22 i need at least 4 ?'s in step two Jun 17 19:46:28 3 won't cut it Jun 17 19:47:27 slacker... Jun 17 19:47:50 codeslaw: That's odd. Are SDL_GL_SwapBuffers or glClear getting called multiple times in one pass of the game loop? Jun 17 19:48:28 Robdor: no. i either call it in the draw method, or in the main loop Jun 17 19:48:28 heheh Jun 17 19:48:57 it makes more sense to call it in the draw method itself, since i dont need to update the screen unless drawing has occurred Jun 17 19:49:10 but nothing shows up UNLESS i call it in the main loop Jun 17 19:49:26 of course, like i said, both methods run great on my computer =/ Jun 17 19:51:45 mexico just scored on france 1-nill Jun 17 19:52:00 codeslaw: I'm not familiar with this setting. What is it supposed to do? glTexEnvf(GL_POINT_SPRITE_OES, GL_COORD_REPLACE_OES, GL_TRUE); Jun 17 19:52:18 Other than that your setup looks very similar to mine. Jun 17 19:52:49 from what i understand (following an iphone tut), it makes it so that when you draw sprites, they stay on the screen Jun 17 19:53:14 let me try with that disabled.. Jun 17 19:54:44 ya disabling that breaks drawing all together Jun 17 19:55:19 i haven't been able to find much info on GL_POINT_SPRITE_OES at all Jun 17 19:55:51 only that it enables you to draw a full texture to a single point Jun 17 19:59:30 It sounds like you are doing a dirty rectangles kind of algorithm for updating the screen. I always move and redraw all of my sprites in every loop. I'm not sure what kind of hardware constraints there may be on the Pre that would prevent selective redraws from working. Jun 17 19:59:50 well, think of it in the context of a paint program Jun 17 20:00:02 Ah, that does complicate it. Jun 17 20:00:11 i just want to put pixels on the screen Jun 17 20:00:24 via hardware, as SDL blitting is slow as hell with alpha blending Jun 17 20:00:55 i know its a buffer issue, Jun 17 20:01:05 because i can see the buffers being swapped back and forth Jun 17 20:01:15 with some sprites on one, some on the other, and some on both Jun 17 20:03:36 Robdor: do you know if i can draw straight into a texture, or external buffer Jun 17 20:03:45 and then draw that external buffer every frame? Jun 17 20:05:29 Yep, you can render to a texture using a framebuffer. Jun 17 20:05:47 2 - nill Jun 17 20:05:50 got any resources i can check out on that? Jun 17 20:07:03 I think that I have one in my bookmarks, give me just a second and I'll dig it up. Jun 17 20:08:39 that might solve another problem i'm going to have Jun 17 20:09:44 though, are frame buffers part of GL ES? Jun 17 20:11:23 Crap, I can't find the link. Jun 17 20:11:52 OpenGL ES 1.1 does support Framebuffers. Jun 17 20:12:02 cool Jun 17 20:12:17 I personally have never had a reason to use 2, so I'm not sure if it supports them or not. Jun 17 20:12:53 reading the khronos page, it says thay are in the extension pack Jun 17 20:12:56 they* Jun 17 20:13:38 so which opengl specs are supported for webos? Jun 17 20:13:45 not entirely sure Jun 17 20:13:52 ES 1.1 and ES 2 Jun 17 20:14:12 codeslaw: There is a glext.h file you need to include to get the extensions. Jun 17 20:14:39 Robdor: built into the pdk? any compiler flags? Jun 17 20:15:42 codeslaw: Yep, it's built into the PDK. You won't need to make any changes to your compiler or linker flags. Jun 17 20:15:51 cool Jun 17 20:21:33 ha... i was already including glext.h... Jun 17 20:25:26 anyone with a pre to test a little game ? Jun 17 20:31:07 heylaw! Jun 17 20:33:10 Here's a question ... If I insert a NULL value into my db ... Then select the value, it comes out as the string "null" ... anyway to get it to come out as a javascript value? Jun 17 20:33:47 if(value =='null') value = null; ? Jun 17 20:34:49 or... Jun 17 20:35:03 there might be a parse function Jun 17 20:35:07 value = (value == 'null') ? null : value; Jun 17 20:35:23 Yeah Tibfib, but I don't want to have to do that all over the place Jun 17 20:35:29 sets it to null if null, otherwise keeps the value the same Jun 17 20:36:02 Everywhere everytime I pull a db value, I have to check it for null and reassign the variable ... ouch Jun 17 20:36:19 do it in the function that pulls the data Jun 17 20:36:28 before it returns Jun 17 20:37:21 Ah ... but sometimes I'm just using the result set as is, and the resultsets that come back are not editable Jun 17 20:38:14 i.e. I don't always get individual values to work with. I might get a set of rows and pass the whole thing to a list widget to use to display a list Jun 17 20:39:50 if(value =='null') value = null; ? // Yuck!!! Jun 17 20:40:12 I haven't played with the DB / storage aspect yet.. but that would make me pretty mad! Jun 17 20:40:21 wtf.. Jun 17 20:40:30 i never knew about ready() Jun 17 20:40:40 might be a prototype thing. Jun 17 20:40:59 it took me a day and a half to figure out where TF all of these extra dom methods were coming from in the examples. Jun 17 20:41:05 here ive been using activate or a timer at the end of setup Jun 17 20:41:58 so.. i'm still working on my first app and i'm trying to figure out how to push a scene... Jun 17 20:42:12 easy Jun 17 20:42:36 this.controller.stageController.pushScene({name:"sceneName"}); Jun 17 20:42:37 in my first-assistant, this.controller.pushScene isn't doing it. i'm either using it wrong (likely) or I need to be using the stage controller.pushScene and not my sceneController.pushScene Jun 17 20:43:00 that's what I'm lookin for. do I need to provide the hash {name:"sceneName"} or will ("sceneName") do it for me. Jun 17 20:43:11 i think you need the json Jun 17 20:43:43 OMG, Jun 17 20:43:47 <----- Moron Jun 17 20:43:51 i knew that Jun 17 20:43:56 :P Jun 17 20:43:59 arrgh! the documentation doesn't even list .StageController as a property of SceneController. Jun 17 20:44:05 I've had a few of those today, Monroe ;) Jun 17 20:44:12 thanks dawm Jun 17 20:44:19 theninjaroach, thats the method i use in the app i current have open Jun 17 20:44:23 want me to look in one of my other apps? Jun 17 20:44:37 it's this.controller.stageController.pushScene("name") Jun 17 20:44:39 You now, those null values are probably being returned as "null" strings cause my code is doing "Insert into blah values ('null') Jun 17 20:44:41 or you can use the json Jun 17 20:44:44 doh! Jun 17 20:44:47 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("scores"); Jun 17 20:44:58 If I insert null string, guess what ... I get null string back out Jun 17 20:45:02 lol Jun 17 20:45:07 LOL @ Monroe! Jun 17 20:45:11 I repeat Jun 17 20:45:19 < - - - - Moron Jun 17 20:45:19 monroe lol Jun 17 20:45:24 'null' = 'null' // WTF man, this db sucks ;) Jun 17 20:45:52 Monroe.. these SQL statements you are making are in WebOS or somewhere else? Jun 17 20:46:02 my google maps intergration works great in chrome.. but not inside webos :P Jun 17 20:46:07 yeah webOS Jun 17 20:46:19 Really? That's sweet. Jun 17 20:46:40 I've looked a bit at the storage documentation.. did not know you could do full SQL Jun 17 20:47:09 hehe well you can't do full sql Jun 17 20:47:17 You can do SQL Lite Jun 17 20:47:22 :) Jun 17 20:48:15 Yep that fixed it ... Insert into blah values (NULL) returns javascript null values Jun 17 20:48:16 That's probably full enough for me ;) Jun 17 20:48:31 it is for most users Jun 17 20:48:32 nice. you can also omit the column name before the VALUES part. Jun 17 20:49:15 - my google maps intergration works great in chrome.. but not inside webos Jun 17 20:49:37 yah i gotta start from scratch Jun 17 20:49:39 dawm, make sure that when you check your map lat and lng values for null, that they aren't actually "null" ;) Jun 17 20:49:49 oh i cant even get the damn js to load Jun 17 20:50:04 don't feel bad, i still can't get my scene to push ;) Jun 17 20:50:11 I just updated mine to the V3 maps api Jun 17 20:50:16 yeh Jun 17 20:50:18 mines v2 Jun 17 20:50:24 and everyone else is v3 Jun 17 20:50:28 so i might as well join them Jun 17 20:50:28 i would push a scene from within my first scene's 'assistant' js yes? Jun 17 20:54:39 dawm: not so easy to push a scene if this.controller.stageController doesn't exist :) Jun 17 20:54:46 (like for multi-stage) Jun 17 20:55:08 i just had to deal with too much of that, and it made me frustrated Jun 17 20:55:55 and why would that happen? Jun 17 20:56:34 it exists in my app :P Jun 17 20:56:35 but Jun 17 20:56:40 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("scores"); Jun 17 20:56:46 is what i use in another, with no issues Jun 17 20:56:51 shouldn't that be {name:'scores'} ? Jun 17 20:57:00 nah it doesnt require that Jun 17 20:57:13 i retract my statement saying it does :P Jun 17 20:58:41 so.. i have my first-scene with some html, and i want to push my second-scene with pushScene -- should the hiding of the first scene.html and rendering of the second scene.html happen automatically? Jun 17 21:01:11 looks like it must be 5:00 ;) Jun 17 21:01:51 theninjaroach: it happens automatically Jun 17 21:02:08 pushScene('secondScene') will overlay the first scene Jun 17 21:02:12 good. my expectations are right,my code must be wrong. Jun 17 21:02:19 and then a back swipe will take you back to the first scene Jun 17 21:02:44 that's what i expected. i should be able to call pushScene with Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene() -- yes? Jun 17 21:03:09 i bet that S needs to be capitalized.. Jun 17 21:06:56 I don't think it does Jun 17 21:08:06 yes, case sensitivity gets irritating at times :) Jun 17 21:08:16 chuqui: you around for another question? Jun 17 21:08:30 especially considering the docs are off on the case sensitivity of a lot of things...lol Jun 17 21:08:30 bit busy, but I'll try Jun 17 21:08:58 why won't Messaging allow me to send to the same person with multiple numbers? Jun 17 21:09:14 I don't know offhand. good question for the forums. Jun 17 21:09:32 will do... Jun 17 21:09:52 why can't I bluetooth pair with another phone for file transfers (like on palmos?) Jun 17 21:09:54 * Mousey whines Jun 17 21:10:33 Tibfib: the docs are right, it's the real world that's wrong... Jun 17 21:13:12 and now my scene is pushing like it should without me understanding why oh why :) Jun 17 21:14:18 * haeffb_pre keeps accidentally puttin my laptop to sleep Jun 17 21:21:43 hmm... Jun 17 21:21:54 * theninjaroach prefers jQuery over Prototype by quite a bit... Jun 17 21:24:38 $$ looks like it gets me what I want Jun 17 21:25:03 haeffb_pre: macbook? Jun 17 21:25:36 nope thinkpad Jun 17 21:26:26 Mojo.Controller.StageController.popScene(returnValue,options) -- Removes a scene from the scene stack, passing the return value to the newly revealed scene's activate method. Jun 17 21:26:27 oh, so not the touchstone back + magnetic sleep sensor? Jun 17 21:26:46 how do you setup the activate method of the previous scene to receive the return value? Jun 17 21:27:12 SceneAssistant.prototype.activate = function(event, returnValue) {} ??? Jun 17 21:27:42 SceneAssistant.prototype.activate = function(event) { var myVar = event.returnValue } ??? Jun 17 21:27:45 that would be my guess Jun 17 21:28:02 i think it'll be a different value Jun 17 21:28:05 but i haven't tried it Jun 17 21:28:28 (the first one is the one i was referring to) Jun 17 21:29:05 yeah I'll try it Jun 17 21:31:43 Ah .. it's the first value Jun 17 21:32:04 SceneAssistant.prototype.activate = function(returnValue) { Jun 17 21:33:24 what's my best option for parsing JSON? Jun 17 21:33:59 Prototype's string.evalJSON doesn't say anything about using the browser's native JSON (if available) Jun 17 21:52:02 Object has no method 'clone' -- why would this be? Jun 17 21:52:23 why would this be especially after passing it through $(divEl) and trying to call $(divEl).clone(1) ? Jun 17 21:57:27 well, cloneNode does it, but I don't understand why Prototypes "Clone" is not available. Oh well. I'm done for the night. See ya Jun 17 22:10:28 i've got a slider on my full screen app that i would like to hide. i'm thinking the best idea would be to toggle the slider's visibility after the screen is tapped, think that's a good idea? Jun 17 22:26:38 i generally toggle display rather than visibility, depends on if you want the thing to occupy space or not Jun 17 22:26:42 (when invisible) Jun 17 22:37:15 maik: .addClassName('hidden') makes it invisible and takes away the used space, as well Jun 17 22:37:42 ah, not really concerned about the space Jun 17 22:37:56 it should still work like you want, I think Jun 17 22:38:04 I guess it depends on your layout Jun 17 22:39:33 i might make it back into the top 221 again today Jun 17 22:39:37 * HattCzech_work crosses fingers Jun 17 22:40:11 man, I tell you what...Mojo/webOS gives hope to the CSS-clueless Jun 17 22:40:21 hehehe Jun 17 22:40:28 * HattCzech_work hangs his head low Jun 17 22:40:33 I actually have my shit lining up where I want it AND the scroller/list still works Jun 17 22:40:37 i'm somewhat clueless :) Jun 17 22:40:57 awesome Jun 17 22:41:09 screenshot? Jun 17 22:41:25 nah, this is that client job Jun 17 22:41:45 trying to get his art in, etc. Jun 17 22:43:50 the most important thing is that I think I have it where all I need to change is one background image depending on if it's Pre or Pixi Jun 17 22:46:39 is there something else we're supposed to be using to listen for a tap even other than Mojo.Event.tap ? Jun 17 22:46:58 what are you listening on? Jun 17 22:47:18 Mojo.Event.listen Jun 17 22:47:25 I mean element/widget? Jun 17 22:47:29 a
Jun 17 22:47:52 Mojo.Event.tap should work, 'mousedown' or 'onmousedown' might also work Jun 17 22:47:57 buh Jun 17 22:47:59 as strings Jun 17 22:48:26 paste your Mojo.Event.listen Jun 17 22:50:00 heh, nevermind. my event code is working Jun 17 22:50:05 when in doubt, Mojo.Log.error Jun 17 22:50:09 awesome Jun 17 22:53:07 * maik flex Jun 17 22:53:15 now to get this slider to center properly Jun 17 22:56:58
:D Jun 17 22:58:16 anyone know if there is another solution for Filter Field ? Jun 17 22:58:30 The filter field has to many constraints - screen position, initially invisble, etc Jun 17 22:58:35 I'm trying to provide "edit List" type functionality Jun 17 23:00:54 sugardave: heh Jun 17 23:01:11 maik: it works GREAT for spinners Jun 17 23:01:49 oh hell, you were serious, hah Jun 17 23:02:01 yep :D Jun 17 23:02:05 sugardave: will you have the background change automatically based on the device type? :) Jun 17 23:02:33 HattCzech_work: yeah, I'll make sure he makes a 480 high and 400 high background Jun 17 23:02:45 it's just the splash screen, after that they all use the same graphics Jun 17 23:02:48 as borat would say... "very nice" Jun 17 23:11:02 any of you who have dabbled with audio know how to get the audio for an app to honor the ringer switch? Jun 17 23:11:14 or is it something i have to manually check for? Jun 17 23:16:56 i think manually check Jun 17 23:17:08 anyway, i'm off Jun 17 23:17:10 adios all Jun 17 23:20:44 is there a generic way to do a templating for a block of html in a scene? Jun 17 23:21:08 I have n rows I need to dump into a div. all with the same output minus some variable title and data. Jun 17 23:21:34 other than raw string creation and a div.update(bigstringhere); call? Jun 17 23:21:47 renderedInfo = Mojo.View.render({object: dashInfo, Jun 17 23:21:47 template: "dashalarm/dashitem-info"}); Jun 17 23:21:47 infoElement = this.controller.get("dashalarminfo"); Jun 17 23:21:47 infoElement.innerHTML = renderedInfo; Jun 17 23:23:34 dawm: ping Jun 17 23:23:43 what does this mean? "One thing to note is that the formatter function for each property is actually evaluated against all the properties in the model" Jun 17 23:23:59 so dashInfo is the model that replaces the #{-foo} vars inside the dashitem-info template? Jun 17 23:24:12 well, here's what happened... Jun 17 23:26:07 hemna: correct. Jun 17 23:26:16 whatever object has properties you want to render Jun 17 23:26:53 sugardave: & the comments formatter won't work. Jun 17 23:27:07 if (>0) else if (==1) Jun 17 23:27:18 will never get to the ==1 test Jun 17 23:27:21 oh, that was dawm's change, untested Jun 17 23:27:32 mine was simpler..hang on a sec Jun 17 23:29:10 fixed it Jun 17 23:35:55 still don't understand this part: is actually evaluated against all the properties in the model Jun 17 23:40:20 haeffb: okay, so this is what happened Jun 17 23:40:38 my list items are either folder objects or strings Jun 17 23:41:05 and so if it's a string, I want it to look different Jun 17 23:41:28 the string property in question is 'uri' Jun 17 23:41:45 and the object is 'folder' and it has 'name' Jun 17 23:42:08 so in item template I have #{folder.name} and #{uri} Jun 17 23:42:53 my formatter is 'uri': function(value) {if (value) {'change it';} else {// do nothing} Jun 17 23:43:12 now, the model for each item is passed through the formatter Jun 17 23:43:30 if value = the name of this formatter (uri) it evaluates to true Jun 17 23:43:39 otherwise it's undefined Jun 17 23:43:58 if you don't check, then even where I have folder.name, it will be printed there Jun 17 23:44:18 right. Jun 17 23:44:48 so more like "is evaluate for all list items, even if the key property doesn't exist" Jun 17 23:44:53 so, if I didn't check, it was changing model.items.folder.name instead of model.items.uri Jun 17 23:45:04 right Jun 17 23:45:10 wait. Jun 17 23:45:21 no Jun 17 23:45:36 actually, it was changing folder.name and creating uriFormatted no matter what Jun 17 23:45:46 why would uri formatter change another property? Jun 17 23:45:49 unless I checked for value Jun 17 23:46:01 which by magic is set as the property name of the very formatter Jun 17 23:46:09 oh, ok. Jun 17 23:46:36 yes, if you don't check to see if the uri property has a value, it will always return whatever you tell it to return Jun 17 23:46:45 and then dawm told me about value AND model Jun 17 23:46:59 here's the deal: Jun 17 23:47:11 webOS passes both value and model to the formatter function. Jun 17 23:47:19 what surprised me was that I expected that formatter to get run ONLY on the value in the 'uri' property Jun 17 23:47:32 it is Jun 17 23:47:35 no Jun 17 23:47:36 it isn't Jun 17 23:47:53 if the item doesn't have a uri property, it'll still run it. Jun 17 23:47:54 it being the formatter Jun 17 23:48:00 if I name it 'uri' and my my model only has a folder object, it will still run Jun 17 23:48:06 yes. Jun 17 23:48:10 I agree. Jun 17 23:48:20 It runs on all ITEMS in your list Jun 17 23:48:21 what surprised me was that I expected that formatter to get run ONLY on the value in the 'uri' property Jun 17 23:48:28 it is. Jun 17 23:48:37 even if the uri property doesn't exist. Jun 17 23:48:46 oh Jun 17 23:48:48 oh Jun 17 23:48:50 oh Jun 17 23:48:52 I see Jun 17 23:49:06 that's why I had double entries in those cases Jun 17 23:49:22 so, for each item, the formatter is passed value (of the formatter key property) Jun 17 23:49:37 and the model.items[x] Jun 17 23:49:42 in model Jun 17 23:50:07 got it Jun 17 23:50:15 okay, I'll re-write that part Jun 17 23:50:57 yay! Jun 17 23:51:11 but it has to be later, if you get bored.... Jun 17 23:51:20 maybe... Jun 17 23:51:20 :) Jun 17 23:51:46 passing the value AND the model item could be very handy. Jun 17 23:52:25 {title: "Format this one", formatThis: true}, {title: "But not this one", formatThis: false} Jun 17 23:52:55 formatters: {title: this.formatTitle().bind(this)} Jun 17 23:53:14 then use other properties in the model to see what to do with the title... Jun 17 23:59:16 cool render even handles a collection of objects, so I don't have to iterate over them myself. lovin' it Jun 17 23:59:30 thanks for the help Jun 17 23:59:40 I'll get this app done finally Jun 18 00:08:37 hemna: really? did not know that... Jun 18 00:08:47 yah Jun 18 00:09:00 output = Mojo.View.render({collection: runways, template: 'AirportView/runwayInfo-template'}); Jun 18 00:09:08 collection: instead of object: Jun 18 00:09:15 simple array...bam Jun 18 00:09:33 awesome. Jun 18 00:09:56 http://www.webos101 would be a good place to document that... :) Jun 18 00:10:25 ooh good idea Jun 18 00:10:39 remind me when I get home and I'll add a page on the wiki Jun 18 00:35:37 * haeffb patiently waiting for hemna_home to show up... Jun 18 00:38:03 soo Jun 18 00:38:09 the 50% sale is official. just got an email Jun 18 00:53:48 dawm: did you follow our discussion on formatters? Jun 18 00:53:58 what do you mean? Jun 18 00:54:29 sugardave and I in the past hour or so. Jun 18 00:54:51 no i was catching up on my DVRd shows Jun 18 00:55:03 anything good? Jun 18 00:55:31 SG:U and tosh.0 :P Jun 18 00:57:14 sg:u ? Jun 18 00:57:20 stargate? Jun 18 00:57:23 stargate universe Jun 18 00:57:31 haven't seen it Jun 18 00:57:47 omg u totally suck Jun 18 00:57:56 but anyways what was the discussion about? Jun 18 00:58:09 dave added somethign to webos101 and i totally redid it Jun 18 00:58:39 talking about how the formatters work Jun 18 00:58:43 passed value & model Jun 18 00:59:02 for each ITEM in the list Jun 18 00:59:05 which was the part sugardave was hung up on... Jun 18 00:59:22 even if the item didn't have his property, the formatter would still deliver Jun 18 00:59:23 yah he kept thinkign it was the entire model Jun 18 00:59:50 the formatters arent really dependant on anything Jun 18 01:00:06 the way i used it, was creating a custom template var with data from the model Jun 18 01:00:16 the way he used it was checkign against a property in the model Jun 18 01:04:58 in my defense, it works in my mind as I described it to both of you :P Jun 18 01:07:11 lol Jun 18 01:10:35 finally!! Jun 18 01:10:39 STUPID GOOGLE MAPS Jun 18 01:10:45 oops wrong case for both Jun 18 01:11:45 is multitouch supported for embedded map? Jun 18 01:12:26 well it has pinch/stretch so id say yes Jun 18 01:13:18 hmm. I've only played with it in 4square.. Jun 18 01:13:28 no pinch zoom there Jun 18 01:14:56 just opens up google maps when I tried multitouch Jun 18 01:15:02 oh Jun 18 01:15:08 lemme find my pre Jun 18 01:15:19 or swipe/pan for that matter Jun 18 01:15:47 in my 4sq it does Jun 18 01:15:50 altho its half ass Jun 18 01:15:59 really Jun 18 01:16:10 maybe I need to update Jun 18 01:16:19 yeah they have some gesture code in their map source Jun 18 01:16:22 its for zooming Jun 18 01:16:31 its not that good, but works Jun 18 01:17:09 ive been looking at that chunk of code all day trying to get gmaps working ;p Jun 18 01:17:28 doesn't work at all on my phone Jun 18 01:17:33 weird Jun 18 01:17:36 works on mine Jun 18 01:17:43 but again its kinda craptacular Jun 18 01:17:52 any touch at all opens google maps Jun 18 01:18:05 do you have a beta? Jun 18 01:18:14 i downlaoded it a few hours ago from the app catalog Jun 18 01:18:17 and mine doesnt open gmaps Jun 18 01:18:25 ahh, maybe I do Jun 18 01:19:16 but, I seem to break any code I touch Jun 18 01:19:23 :) Jun 18 01:45:48 sometimes i just wanna sign off all IM accts Jun 18 01:46:03 but then i know the people bothering me will jsut call or text Jun 18 01:47:35 hemna: http://www.webos101.com Jun 18 01:48:06 click :P Jun 18 01:50:58 who got webos 1.4.3 Jun 18 01:51:19 suggestions of where to put it haeffb ? Jun 18 01:52:44 dawm, not I. I don't see an update for it Jun 18 01:53:07 someone used my app running 1.4.3 Jun 18 01:56:21 hemna: miscellaneous works Jun 18 02:00:58 hah Jun 18 02:01:02 i overloaded the emulator Jun 18 02:01:06 its acting like a device Jun 18 02:04:43 anyone know which version of vb is actually supposed to be running the emu? Jun 18 02:12:22 whatever is listed on the dev site Jun 18 02:17:30 well, there's a few different places in the dev site - one's just a link w/ no version Jun 18 02:17:57 i'm running the latest, just didnt know if i could expect issues Jun 18 02:22:19 must i do everything ;p Jun 18 02:22:47 3.1.6 Jun 18 02:34:25 heh Jun 18 02:34:46 i did a search on the dev site for virtual box 3.1.6 a little while ago Jun 18 02:34:50 came up one forum hit Jun 18 02:35:07 i c now - 'getting started' Jun 18 02:35:34 guess i should deprecate :/ Jun 18 02:35:59 *although i havent had a prob yet* Jun 18 02:36:03 stupid host mode stopped working... Jun 18 02:36:15 i never got mine to work Jun 18 02:36:22 would never push the first scene Jun 18 02:36:53 just stared at index.html for awhile - my background, then gave up Jun 18 02:41:03 "Is anyone, on any to do list ever going to create the to do list like the old palm software had with it’s functionality??? Maybe you have with DONE!. I refuse to pufchase any to do software that can’t be sorted by date AND priority! wif it’s a priority next month, why the heck would I want to see it today! This pre phone is the most frustrating thing. None of what Palm great as a mobile business software product was kept for this Pre phone Jun 18 02:41:34 it's really bad because I can't run the inspector either....and I need to know some stuff Jun 18 02:41:37 looks like I have two options... Jun 18 02:41:52 tell him "yes, it can" and sell a copy of my app. Jun 18 02:42:03 or tell him "no it can't" and drive him from webOS forever Jun 18 02:42:18 * haeffb leaning toward the second option. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 18 02:59:57 2010