**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 18 02:59:57 2010
Jun 18 03:13:43 <sugardave> BigBiff: apparently host mode did like my code I added looking at Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo properties
Jun 18 03:13:47 <sugardave> how strange
Jun 18 03:15:43 <BigBiff_pre> ya, I've given up on host mode
Jun 18 03:16:06 <BigBiff_pre> so you fixed it?
Jun 18 03:19:22 <sugardave> well, I got it working again by not looking at Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.modelNameAscii
Jun 18 03:23:46 <BigBiff> heh
Jun 18 03:24:37 <BigBiff> i do wish there was a trouble-shooter of some kind for that
Jun 18 03:24:45 <BigBiff> i'd still like to try it out
Jun 18 03:26:36 <sugardave> does your tunnel work?
Jun 18 03:35:22 <BigBiff> well, i'm port/server/tunnel retarded but.....
Jun 18 03:35:39 <BigBiff> i can see the list of apps in the browser,
Jun 18 03:35:45 <BigBiff> click on one
Jun 18 03:36:27 <BigBiff> and see the index.html page (if there's a palm-background set or if there's text like the default text before you delete)
Jun 18 03:36:46 <BigBiff> i can get to all the mojo files in the browser's inspector
Jun 18 03:36:56 <pandora--> wow i have an app ranked 281 in the hotapps
Jun 18 03:36:59 <BigBiff> but it wont push the furst scene
Jun 18 03:36:59 <pandora--> i had no idea
Jun 18 03:37:02 <pandora--> that's awesome!
Jun 18 03:37:07 <BigBiff> pandora: cool
Jun 18 03:37:41 <BigBiff> s/u/i
Jun 18 03:38:24 <BigBiff> but o well, palm inspector will have to do
Jun 18 03:39:10 <BigBiff> o ya - i cant get to any of my app files - just index.html, the .css, and the mojo stuff
Jun 18 03:39:18 <pandora--> i'm preparing for los angeles to be rioting
Jun 18 03:39:26 <pandora--> apparently this basketball game is a big thing
Jun 18 03:39:27 <BigBiff> o i didnt watch
Jun 18 03:39:30 <BigBiff> who won?
Jun 18 03:39:37 <pandora--> nobody yet
Jun 18 03:39:41 <BigBiff> ahh
Jun 18 03:39:48 <pandora--> is this like the superbowl of basketball?
Jun 18 03:39:48 <BigBiff> i shall turn it on
Jun 18 03:39:53 <pandora--> or are there more games?
Jun 18 03:39:58 <BigBiff> no, this is it
Jun 18 03:40:01 <pandora--> ahh
Jun 18 03:40:06 <pandora--> that's why i keep hearing about it
Jun 18 03:40:13 <pandora--> are they playing in LA?
Jun 18 03:40:25 <BigBiff> embarrassed to say, i dont know
Jun 18 03:40:28 <BigBiff> heh
Jun 18 03:40:36 <BigBiff> i've only watched one of the finals games
Jun 18 03:41:26 <BigBiff> hard to get the remote control from my daughter
Jun 18 03:41:31 <BigBiff> icarly and all
Jun 18 03:41:35 <BigBiff> :(
Jun 18 03:41:59 <pandora--> lol
Jun 18 03:44:59 <Tibfib> lol
Jun 18 03:57:37 <haeffb_pre> lakers won in LA
Jun 18 04:03:06 <BigBiff> i dont really care much about bb, but
Jun 18 04:03:32 <BigBiff> Boston's more fun to visit than LA
Jun 18 04:03:37 <BigBiff> no offense
Jun 18 04:03:56 <hemna> http://wx.hemna.com/AvWx/   some screens of my first app
Jun 18 04:04:03 <hemna> still working on it though
Jun 18 04:05:53 <BigBiff> sweet
Jun 18 04:06:11 <BigBiff> runway finder.com?
Jun 18 04:06:45 <hemna> yah, I might try and get a movable real map there instead
Jun 18 04:07:23 <hemna> flyagogo.net has a map that I might try and suck in
Jun 18 04:07:52 <BigBiff> well, i like seeing something different than google
Jun 18 04:07:57 <hemna> http://www.flyagogo.net/api/example.html
Jun 18 04:08:02 <hemna> basically that
Jun 18 04:08:05 <halfhalo> heh
Jun 18 04:08:13 <halfhalo> won a ssd from intel
Jun 18 04:08:14 <hemna> instead of that static image
Jun 18 04:09:33 <BigBiff> that's cool - i assume that map api is public?
Jun 18 04:09:50 <hemna> yah it is
Jun 18 04:09:55 <BigBiff> sweet
Jun 18 04:10:08 <hemna> ok F it...I'll try hacking that in
Jun 18 04:10:17 <BigBiff> DO IT!!
Jun 18 04:10:28 <Nyceane> anybody from europe?
Jun 18 04:10:32 <BigBiff> is all the other data just xml feeds?
Jun 18 04:10:47 <hemna> all the other data is a culmination of sources
Jun 18 04:10:56 <hemna> some of it was a B I Itch to get
Jun 18 04:11:15 <hemna> I create a web service that I can call that does all the data collection
Jun 18 04:11:32 <hemna> http://wx.hemna.com/?target=avwx&airports=kaun
Jun 18 04:11:51 <BigBiff> you'll have to give me some pointers on parsing html, if you did that
Jun 18 04:12:01 <hemna> heh
Jun 18 04:12:04 <hemna> it was worse than that
Jun 18 04:12:22 <hemna> I had to find a raw DB from somewhere and wrote an app to extract the airport data I needed
Jun 18 04:12:31 <hemna> runways, name, elevation, etc
Jun 18 04:12:35 <hemna> major pita
Jun 18 04:12:44 <hemna> but it was a one time deal
Jun 18 04:13:17 <hemna> the FAA used to give out the airport data for free
Jun 18 04:13:23 <BigBiff> not anymore?
Jun 18 04:13:26 <hemna> but they stopped in 2006 for some reason
Jun 18 04:13:34 <hemna> google DAFIF
Jun 18 04:13:36 <hemna> bunk
Jun 18 04:13:39 <BigBiff> turists
Jun 18 04:13:41 <pandora--> hemna: what app are you working on that needs this stuff?
Jun 18 04:14:01 <hemna> http://wx.hemna.com/AvWx
Jun 18 04:14:02 <hemna> that one
Jun 18 04:14:31 <hemna> I still need to calculate density altitude
Jun 18 04:14:37 <hemna> that formula is a pita
Jun 18 04:14:41 <BigBiff> i was gonna say...
Jun 18 04:14:48 <BigBiff> you should calculate density altitude
Jun 18 04:14:53 <pandora--> hemna: wow!
Jun 18 04:14:57 <BigBiff> :-p
Jun 18 04:14:59 <pandora--> hemna: that's awesome!
Jun 18 04:15:14 <hemna> pressure altitude was kinda sucky, but nothing like density altitude
Jun 18 04:15:16 <hemna> hey thanks :)
Jun 18 04:15:18 <pandora--> BigBiff: i wrote a flight calc that does pressure/density altitude
Jun 18 04:15:24 <hemna> I'm a pilot, so I wanted something like this
Jun 18 04:15:26 <pandora--> i should really port that to webos
Jun 18 04:15:39 <hemna> all my heavy lifting is being done in php
Jun 18 04:15:47 <pandora--> hemna: I'm about... 10 hours away from being a pilot
Jun 18 04:15:56 <hemna> oh!  checkride time?!
Jun 18 04:16:01 <pandora--> heli though, not fixed wing
Jun 18 04:16:07 <pandora--> heh just about checkride time
Jun 18 04:16:14 <hemna> awesome
Jun 18 04:16:28 <hemna> I passed my checkride in 2004
Jun 18 04:16:31 <pandora--> your app looks great
Jun 18 04:16:36 <BigBiff> ya, very cool
Jun 18 04:16:40 <hemna> super stress right up until you pass
Jun 18 04:16:41 <pandora--> ah nice, fixed wing ya?
Jun 18 04:16:45 <hemna> yah
Jun 18 04:16:51 <pandora--> i've never flown a plane
Jun 18 04:17:03 <pandora--> dunno, i've always liked helicopters :)
Jun 18 04:17:04 <hemna> I own a Piper Colt, plane my grandfather used to own/fly
Jun 18 04:17:23 <pandora--> niiiice
Jun 18 04:17:38 <hemna> I looked into heli
Jun 18 04:17:47 <hemna> but the CFI said getting insurance was bank
Jun 18 04:18:25 <pandora--> heh so are the lessons compared to fixed wing
Jun 18 04:18:27 <pandora--> crazy
Jun 18 04:18:35 <BigBiff> hemna: how often are you updating?
Jun 18 04:18:50 <hemna> right now it's manual (w/ the refresh icon)
Jun 18 04:18:56 <pandora--> ah yeah, just checked, I still have all the source for my mobile flightcalc app that does pressure/density alt
Jun 18 04:18:57 <BigBiff> i c
Jun 18 04:19:05 <hemna> I cache the metar data on my php server for 5 minutes
Jun 18 04:19:24 <pandora--> weathermeister should have a mobile app
Jun 18 04:19:24 <hemna> pandora--, is it in php?
Jun 18 04:19:25 <hemna> :P
Jun 18 04:19:27 <pandora--> hemna: java
Jun 18 04:19:32 <hemna> doh
Jun 18 04:19:35 <pandora--> JavaME, mobile java app
Jun 18 04:19:46 <hemna> could port it to Android
Jun 18 04:19:55 <hemna> bleh, I do Java for a living....so not a fan of it
Jun 18 04:20:03 <pandora--> eh, it'd be even easier to port it to webos
Jun 18 04:20:06 <pandora--> the code is so simple
Jun 18 04:21:42 <hemna> so is it bad to do a <script> block inside a scene?
Jun 18 04:21:52 <pandora--> lol probably bad practice.. yes
Jun 18 04:21:56 <hemna> I need to import an external js for 1 scene only
Jun 18 04:22:00 <pandora--> hemna: are you familiar with weathermeister?
Jun 18 04:22:04 <hemna> no
Jun 18 04:22:20 <pandora--> http://weathermeister.com/
Jun 18 04:22:57 <hemna> nice
Jun 18 04:23:01 <hemna> they have remarks decoding as well
Jun 18 04:23:06 <hemna> heh, that's on my todo list
Jun 18 04:23:18 <LoneStar99> back from the dead, time to build a killer PDK app
Jun 18 04:23:59 <hemna> view-source:http://www.flyagogo.net/api/example.html
Jun 18 04:24:23 <hemna> so that example page contains the code I need to pull in to a scene
Jun 18 04:24:44 <hemna> do I just put the script src in the stage html ?
Jun 18 04:25:19 <LoneStar99> was running today, when a concept came to mind, that would be cool, can have the first alpha in 2 weeks
Jun 18 04:25:45 <LoneStar99> but not for the PDK, have no idea how the PDK works
Jun 18 04:26:30 <hemna> me either
Jun 18 04:41:04 <hemna> any way to load an external js file?
Jun 18 04:41:18 <hemna> by external I mean...not part of the app
Jun 18 04:42:12 <BigBiff> that's over my head
Jun 18 04:42:30 <Tibfib> Heh, looks like personal avatars in messaging app are coming: /* Disabling MY avatar because we are not doing this for 1.0  2008-11-05*/ <-- in messaging app css
Jun 18 04:43:00 <Tibfib> sheesh they've been working on webOS for a long time.
Jun 18 04:43:04 <pandora--> hemna: just put it sources
Jun 18 04:43:16 <hemna> that was my next step
Jun 18 04:43:18 <Tibfib> ERRR.. I can't read non-american dates.
Jun 18 04:43:24 <hemna> it's a magic js file...gmaps code
Jun 18 04:44:06 <BigBiff> you mean pulling it dynamically from a request?
Jun 18 04:44:25 <hemna> yah
Jun 18 04:44:26 <BigBiff> *confused*
Jun 18 04:44:36 <hemna> http://flyagogo.net/api/gogochart.js?key=ec802e9840cfb1c411c24f1e95c51769
Jun 18 04:44:40 <hemna> I need to pull that
Jun 18 04:44:55 <pandora--> i've done it for facebook, to pull in their JS libs
Jun 18 04:44:55 <hemna> trying to get that gmaps airnav chart to work inside my app
Jun 18 04:45:05 <BigBiff> yikes
Jun 18 04:45:17 <BigBiff> i think my eyes exploded
Jun 18 04:48:17 <hemna> pandora--, how did  you do it?
Jun 18 04:48:49 <pandora--> just put it in sources.js
Jun 18 04:49:14 <pandora--> ,{ "source": "http://www.facebook.......js"}
Jun 18 04:49:27 <pandora--> something like that
Jun 18 04:50:20 <hemna> huh that works?
Jun 18 04:51:02 <pandora--> worked for me :)
Jun 18 04:52:36 <hemna> humm yah that seems to work
Jun 18 05:00:39 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: ping
Jun 18 05:02:59 <alexfner> well folks
Jun 18 05:03:12 <alexfner> the la lakers are champion of the world
Jun 18 05:03:14 <alexfner> but don't question it
Jun 18 05:03:22 <alexfner> I know it's not called the world basketball tournament
Jun 18 05:03:38 <alexfner> and some would argue that the world cup is more of a determinant of the champion of the world
Jun 18 05:03:46 <alexfner> because everyone in the world can actually participate
Jun 18 05:03:48 <alexfner> but it's true
Jun 18 05:03:52 <alexfner> Los Angeles it is
Jun 18 05:04:38 <alexfner> anyways
Jun 18 05:04:42 <alexfner> I'm having a code problem
Jun 18 05:05:00 <alexfner> anyone ever have a json array return a length value of 1 even though you haven't put anything in the array?
Jun 18 05:08:54 <sugardave> okay...command menu, I have 'iconPath' set to the icon I want to use....yet, there is no icon
Jun 18 05:11:09 <hemna> ok I give up for the night
Jun 18 05:11:15 <hemna> I can't get that gmap stuff to work inside the scene
Jun 18 05:27:04 <HattCzech> does anyone use the contacts api?
Jun 18 05:51:19 <BigBiff> formatting a string making my brain hurt
Jun 18 05:52:05 <alexfner> I'm getting a json array issue
Jun 18 05:52:07 <alexfner> making my brain hurt
Jun 18 05:52:18 <sugardave> I can't get pictures in command menu buttons
Jun 18 05:52:21 <HotDP> Good morning
Jun 18 05:52:25 <sugardave> BigBiff: what are you trying to do?
Jun 18 05:52:41 <sugardave> morning
Jun 18 05:52:54 <BigBiff> o not much really
Jun 18 05:53:16 <BigBiff> split a string apart, make it look pretty, put parts of it back in different lines
Jun 18 05:53:20 <alexfner> for some reason whenever I try to push just one element to the json array
Jun 18 05:53:29 <alexfner> it doesn't like it
Jun 18 05:53:34 <alexfner> it doesn't add the value
Jun 18 05:53:38 <BigBiff> what does the array look like?
Jun 18 05:53:39 <alexfner> and returns undefined
Jun 18 05:53:47 <alexfner> array[l].i
Jun 18 05:53:49 <alexfner> simple
Jun 18 05:53:59 <alexfner> I think it'd rather i just use an array
Jun 18 05:54:10 <alexfner> but they seem to be considerably slower for some reason
Jun 18 05:54:22 <alexfner> so I do
Jun 18 05:54:36 <alexfner> array.push({"i": something});
Jun 18 05:54:44 <alexfner> it was originally a much larger array
Jun 18 05:54:51 <alexfner> but I'm trying to optimize for GC
Jun 18 05:55:02 <alexfner> and making the array shorter seems to be the easiest way
Jun 18 05:55:05 <alexfner> any suggestions?
Jun 18 05:55:22 <sugardave> um, you lost me
Jun 18 05:56:53 <alexfner> I know D:
Jun 18 05:56:57 <alexfner> let me speak to my frustration
Jun 18 05:57:05 <alexfner> I have tried to optimize this app multiple times
Jun 18 05:57:10 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 18 05:57:11 <alexfner> and every time I get to this point
Jun 18 05:57:16 <alexfner> and I screw up
Jun 18 05:57:18 <alexfner> and then give up
Jun 18 05:57:32 <alexfner> and it's frustration over the json
Jun 18 05:57:35 <BigBiff> paste a bigger block of code?
Jun 18 05:57:48 <alexfner> like, my json arrays return a length of 1 when I haven't entered any code
Jun 18 05:57:53 <alexfner> well my logic is all over the place
Jun 18 05:57:58 <BigBiff> i c
Jun 18 05:58:13 <BigBiff> the phantom json member
Jun 18 05:58:14 <alexfner> this app definitely wouldn't get an A+ in a javascript code cleanliness class
Jun 18 05:59:01 <BigBiff> my motto is, why do it in 20 lines when you can do it in 200
Jun 18 05:59:18 <BigBiff> bigger's better, right?
Jun 18 05:59:22 <alexfner> no!
Jun 18 05:59:27 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 18 05:59:52 <BigBiff> well freudian compensation is one thing
Jun 18 06:00:38 <BigBiff> sugardave: i'm tryin to make a string like this break apart multiple lines, and with different styles:
Jun 18 06:00:44 <alexfner> god
Jun 18 06:01:04 <alexfner> just asked it to reference the [1] of the array first, instead of [0] position
Jun 18 06:01:10 <alexfner> and it sort of did what I expected
Jun 18 06:01:13 <BigBiff> Dallas Branch At Coleman St In Huntsville, Al
Jun 18 06:01:26 <alexfner> regexp?
Jun 18 06:01:28 <BigBiff> but they're all different lengths, etc
Jun 18 06:01:48 <alexfner> explain exactly what you want to do big biff
Jun 18 06:02:08 <BigBiff> Dallas Branch (big font)
Jun 18 06:02:33 <BigBiff> At Coleman St <smaller>
Jun 18 06:02:38 <BigBiff> and new line
Jun 18 06:02:40 <BigBiff> etc
Jun 18 06:02:52 <alexfner> are the strings dynamic?
Jun 18 06:03:16 <BigBiff> dynamic, no - they're always there
Jun 18 06:03:25 <BigBiff> but theres lots... and all different
Jun 18 06:03:27 <alexfner> dynamic in formatting
Jun 18 06:03:35 <alexfner> are they all addresses?
Jun 18 06:03:43 <BigBiff> locations
Jun 18 06:03:49 <alexfner> is there always an "AT"
Jun 18 06:03:56 <alexfner> and an "IN"
Jun 18 06:03:58 <BigBiff> no, but many
Jun 18 06:04:06 <BigBiff> i'm splitting them there
Jun 18 06:04:14 <BigBiff> sometimes there's a near
Jun 18 06:04:16 <BigBiff> or nr
Jun 18 06:04:20 <alexfner> well, I'd categorize all of the different types
Jun 18 06:04:29 <alexfner> ask it to look for AT, NEAR, IN, etc
Jun 18 06:04:31 <BigBiff> i've gotten that far
Jun 18 06:04:34 <alexfner> with a regexp
Jun 18 06:04:58 <BigBiff> hard part is adding <div class="bla">
Jun 18 06:05:00 <alexfner> and then place the substrings into json or something else, and place inside nodes with the correct classes
Jun 18 06:05:02 <BigBiff> in the right place
Jun 18 06:05:18 <alexfner> hmm
Jun 18 06:05:19 <alexfner> why?
Jun 18 06:05:25 <BigBiff> end tags
Jun 18 06:05:30 <alexfner> make them sub strings
Jun 18 06:05:33 <BigBiff> some have multiple ats
Jun 18 06:05:35 <alexfner> and make the tags sub strings
Jun 18 06:05:36 <BigBiff> or nears
Jun 18 06:05:43 <alexfner> and then just composite them
Jun 18 06:05:45 <alexfner> oh
Jun 18 06:05:46 <alexfner> well
Jun 18 06:05:48 <alexfner> Good LUCK :D
Jun 18 06:05:49 <BigBiff> ya
Jun 18 06:05:51 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 18 06:06:10 <BigBiff> i like the give up approach
Jun 18 06:06:19 <BigBiff> back to my other unfinished app
Jun 18 06:06:24 <BigBiff> heh
Jun 18 06:06:49 <BigBiff> which is eeeeasy coding, but alllloooot of photoshop
Jun 18 06:06:52 <BigBiff> i hate ps
Jun 18 06:07:34 <BigBiff> after a few more days i gotta quit tinkering with me apps
Jun 18 06:07:52 <BigBiff> real work stuff approaches
Jun 18 06:39:02 <BigBiff> wow
Jun 18 06:39:21 <BigBiff> i have created an infinite loop in my string parsing
Jun 18 06:39:32 <BigBiff> and on that note, it's bed time
Jun 18 06:40:34 <sugardave> night
Jun 18 06:42:54 <alexfner> I'm going to blow up Js arrays
Jun 18 06:44:49 <alexfner> they have got to be one of the ugliest things ever created
Jun 18 06:57:03 <rwhitby> what's the best way to distinguish between a Pre and Pixi in mojo?
Jun 18 07:08:11 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 18 07:10:59 <HotDP> morning swisstomcat
Jun 18 07:11:05 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Jun 18 07:11:20 <swisstomcat> i'm almost done with the demo code
Jun 18 07:11:26 <swisstomcat> from that video
Jun 18 07:13:09 <HotDP> Sounds good :)
Jun 18 07:13:17 <HotDP> I still have no answers on the forum :(
Jun 18 07:35:20 <swisstomcat> i got some code from the video and i'm figuring out the rest
Jun 18 07:37:31 <HotDP> will you let me know`?
Jun 18 07:38:26 <swisstomcat> sure
Jun 18 07:38:52 <HotDP> thanks
Jun 18 07:41:10 <swisstomcat> cool, moo is now at 50k downloads
Jun 18 07:41:30 <HotDP> wow insane
Jun 18 07:42:20 <HotDP> What place on hotapps?
Jun 18 07:42:24 <swisstomcat> #90
Jun 18 07:42:34 <HotDP> Can you smell the money?
Jun 18 07:42:41 <HotDP> :)
Jun 18 07:42:46 <swisstomcat> :)
Jun 18 07:43:21 <HotDP> If i lived close to you i you could give a beer if you win ? :)
Jun 18 07:43:34 <HotDP> Ok that did not make any sense
Jun 18 07:44:03 <swisstomcat> :)
Jun 18 07:47:52 <EmmettLollis> hello
Jun 18 07:48:25 <swisstomcat> hi
Jun 18 07:49:15 <LoneStar99> hello
Jun 18 07:49:22 <EmmettLollis> took forever to register with nickserv... i can finally chat now that its almost bedtime
Jun 18 07:49:25 <EmmettLollis> lol
Jun 18 07:50:10 <EmmettLollis> moo was one of the first apps i downloaded
Jun 18 07:51:38 <EmmettLollis> i've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure out some database handling
Jun 18 07:55:48 <swisstomcat> i'm glad you like Moo :)
Jun 18 07:56:01 <swisstomcat> what problems are you having with databases?
Jun 18 07:56:05 <swisstomcat> hi lonestar
Jun 18 07:56:55 <EmmettLollis> well i have this database that i downloaded in csv and mdb format.. i need to turn it into something the pre can read
Jun 18 07:57:30 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 18 07:57:34 <swisstomcat> csv should be possible
Jun 18 07:57:44 <EmmettLollis> havent coded in a long while.. spent the whole day just getting setup to view the mdb
Jun 18 07:57:49 <EmmettLollis> on my pc that is
Jun 18 07:58:27 <LoneStar99> each phone has a unique number right?
Jun 18 07:58:31 <swisstomcat> have you played with the db stuff in mojo?
Jun 18 07:58:35 <swisstomcat> lonestar: ack
Jun 18 07:59:26 <EmmettLollis> i've been reading up on it... i can see how to create and modify a db but it doesn't say squat about loading up an existing
Jun 18 08:00:33 <LoneStar99>  swisstomcat what does ack mean?
Jun 18 08:00:41 <swisstomcat> you can't ship a prepopulated database
Jun 18 08:00:54 <swisstomcat> lonestar99: (ack)nowledged :)
Jun 18 08:01:12 <swisstomcat> so, yes
Jun 18 08:01:26 <EmmettLollis> so the apps that load an existing database are just loading from a server then?
Jun 18 08:01:28 <swisstomcat> every device has it's unique deviceid
Jun 18 08:01:49 <swisstomcat> the app would have to load the data from a server into the database
Jun 18 08:01:58 <swisstomcat> or have the db on the server
Jun 18 08:02:02 <swisstomcat> if that's feasible
Jun 18 08:02:20 <swisstomcat> or both for caching reasons
Jun 18 08:02:48 <swisstomcat> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7332&hilit=prepopulated
Jun 18 08:02:58 <EmmettLollis> i've seen a couple of apps that use an externally available database.. i was assuming that they pre-loaded it
Jun 18 08:03:10 <swisstomcat> epocrates for example
Jun 18 08:03:18 <swisstomcat> it loads the database on first start
Jun 18 08:03:32 <EmmettLollis> ahh
Jun 18 08:03:58 <swisstomcat> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2581&hilit=prepopulated
Jun 18 08:04:07 <swisstomcat> the other link was for the PDK
Jun 18 08:04:42 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  every active device has a unique ID right?
Jun 18 08:04:49 <swisstomcat> yes
Jun 18 08:04:52 <swisstomcat> nduid
Jun 18 08:05:02 <LoneStar99> yeah got that
Jun 18 08:05:41 <EmmettLollis> i was thinking of having the app query a server but i dont like the idea of remote queries coming in on a database for the lifetime of the app
Jun 18 08:06:02 <swisstomcat> probably depends on the app
Jun 18 08:06:13 <swisstomcat> my public transport app talks to my server for some stuff
Jun 18 08:06:40 <EmmettLollis> hmm
Jun 18 08:06:42 <swisstomcat> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1794&hilit=prepopulated
Jun 18 08:06:58 <swisstomcat> it really depends on the app
Jun 18 08:07:12 <swisstomcat> i also cache some of the data for faster access
Jun 18 08:07:55 <EmmettLollis> i'm glad i talked to you... i would have spent another 2 days trying to do the impossible
Jun 18 08:08:48 <swisstomcat> that's why we are here :)
Jun 18 08:09:51 <EmmettLollis> awesome
Jun 18 08:10:29 <HotDP> hello melchiorsen
Jun 18 08:17:57 <EmmettLollis> are there any servers setup for serving databases or is it just a matter of hunting for the feature?
Jun 18 08:19:52 <swisstomcat> roll your own
Jun 18 08:20:01 <swisstomcat> with your server-side language of choice
Jun 18 08:20:13 <swisstomcat> i use a shared server at my isp and php
Jun 18 08:20:19 <swisstomcat> php outputs json
Jun 18 08:21:07 <EmmettLollis> cool
Jun 18 08:25:43 <EmmettLollis> i'm curious.. do ad supported apps generate much from their ads?
Jun 18 08:26:26 <swisstomcat> there are some devs here that use ads
Jun 18 08:26:34 <swisstomcat> metaview for example
Jun 18 08:26:40 <swisstomcat> not sure about revenue
Jun 18 08:26:46 <swisstomcat> i don't use ads in my free apps
Jun 18 08:27:30 <HotDP> I like to know how much they eran
Jun 18 08:28:00 <EmmettLollis> i used to do pretty well with ads online but the market seriously died, at least for my sites
Jun 18 08:28:00 <HotDP> http://techcrunch.com/2009/05/06/just-how-much-money-can-free-iphone-apps-make-quite-a-bit/ is good reading. But don't know if its the same on WebOs
Jun 18 08:29:55 <EmmettLollis> i certainly wouldn't complain about $400+/day
Jun 18 08:30:00 <HotDP> :)
Jun 18 08:30:18 <HotDP> But i don't know any with WebOS apps that have ads
Jun 18 08:30:38 <EmmettLollis> yeah, the user base for webos is much smaller :/
Jun 18 08:30:48 <swisstomcat> Unrolled Single  Precision 17929 Kflops ; 100 Reps
Jun 18 08:30:58 <swisstomcat> whoop, wrong window
Jun 18 08:31:03 <HotDP> And are webos people clickin on apps
Jun 18 08:31:20 <EmmettLollis> i haven't clicked on any yet
Jun 18 08:31:34 <EmmettLollis> not on purpose anyway
Jun 18 08:32:00 <EmmettLollis> might work for branding impressions but if you're not getting paid by impression that does no good
Jun 18 08:43:45 <HotDP> dunno but would like to know
Jun 18 08:55:43 <EmmettLollis> well, it's almost 4am here... i should be going to sleep... ttyl
Jun 18 09:05:07 <Famic> morning
Jun 18 09:06:24 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 18 11:44:36 <haeffb> swisstomcat: or somebody, please share this with sugardave when he returns:  http://www.pastie.org/1009928
Jun 18 11:44:56 <swisstomcat> k
Jun 18 12:38:37 <swisstomcat> some feedback appreciated: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/snap01.png
Jun 18 12:46:02 <haeffb_pre> like it. clean & simple
Jun 18 12:46:34 <swisstomcat> i hope it's not too simple
Jun 18 12:47:53 <haeffb_pre> might make the text a little larger
Jun 18 12:48:17 <swisstomcat> yeah, finger-sized
Jun 18 12:56:47 <Mclunchbox> agree - nice clean graphics
Jun 18 12:57:51 <swisstomcat> thanks
Jun 18 12:57:56 <swisstomcat> i mad the text bigger
Jun 18 12:57:58 <swisstomcat> made
Jun 18 13:19:22 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 18 13:19:27 <swisstomcat> serbia:germany 1:0
Jun 18 13:46:57 <BigBiff_pre> swisstomcat: current score?
Jun 18 13:49:35 <HattCzech_work> morning all
Jun 18 13:50:25 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: that image looks good... a small suggestion would be to smooth the edges a bit more if possible on the smaller images
Jun 18 13:50:42 <swisstomcat> bigbiff: end score
Jun 18 13:50:47 <HattCzech_work> don't know how it'll look on the phone, but on my screen, looks a bit gritty
Jun 18 13:50:47 <swisstomcat> morning hattczech
Jun 18 13:51:11 <swisstomcat> it looks ok on the phone i think
Jun 18 13:51:17 <swisstomcat> would you like to have the ipk to test?
Jun 18 13:51:24 <HattCzech_work> sure
Jun 18 13:51:35 <swisstomcat> i tried to update the app but i get the error "800" .. just that?!?!
Jun 18 13:57:50 <HattCzech_work> anyone here played with accounts and contacts?
Jun 18 13:58:13 <swisstomcat> nope
Jun 18 13:59:06 <HattCzech_work> i need to figure out a way to update contact information :/
Jun 18 13:59:20 <swisstomcat> moo testers? http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.8_all.ipk
Jun 18 14:04:51 <HattCzech_work> preferences text style seems to be a bit close to the left edge
Jun 18 14:05:18 <swisstomcat> good catch
Jun 18 14:22:30 <LoneStar99> morning peeps
Jun 18 14:23:11 <swisstomcat> morning lonestar
Jun 18 14:24:36 <LoneStar99> howdy swisstomcat watching the US / slovenia
Jun 18 14:24:43 <LoneStar99> 1-0 slovenia
Jun 18 14:24:47 <LoneStar99> of course
Jun 18 14:43:06 <LoneStar99> damn, sense a true ass-kicking coming the way of the US =(
Jun 18 14:49:21 <BigBiff_pre> boooooooo
Jun 18 14:49:30 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 18 14:50:00 <BigBiff_pre> bad yellow card did that
Jun 18 14:50:50 <LoneStar99> did not see that =*
Jun 18 14:50:52 <LoneStar99> =(
Jun 18 14:51:41 <swisstomcat> 2-0
Jun 18 14:57:34 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: not looking good
Jun 18 14:57:55 <swisstomcat> serbia beat germany today
Jun 18 14:58:06 <LoneStar99> yeah 1-0
Jun 18 15:00:38 <sugardave> haeffb: ping
Jun 18 15:01:26 <swisstomcat> (01:44:33 PM) haeffb: swisstomcat: or somebody, please share this with sugardave when he returns:  http://www.pastie.org/1009928
Jun 18 15:01:41 <sugardave> yay!
Jun 18 15:01:43 <sugardave> thank you
Jun 18 15:04:30 <sugardave> OMG, it's the 'center no-repeat' part
Jun 18 15:04:33 <sugardave> wtf?!
Jun 18 15:05:27 <BigBiff_pre> woooot
Jun 18 15:05:56 <Tibfib> whoa baby
Jun 18 15:06:00 <sugardave> interestingly. though, when I tap the button, it shifts the image up while it's pressed
Jun 18 15:06:08 <sugardave> I will mess with that later
Jun 18 15:06:42 <LoneStar99> 2-1
Jun 18 15:07:10 <dawm> is there a patch to prevent you from accidently hitting send in email?
Jun 18 15:07:23 <dawm> was replying to a support email and accidently sent it halfway thru :(
Jun 18 15:07:58 <maik> did you click it?
Jun 18 15:08:07 <dawm> accidently
Jun 18 15:08:11 <maik> heh
Jun 18 15:08:14 <maik> use less mouse
Jun 18 15:08:32 <dawm> was trying to move the cursor to edit ;p
Jun 18 15:08:36 <maik> ctrl+enter to send in outlook, cmd+shift+d to send in mail.app
Jun 18 15:08:38 <maik> heh
Jun 18 15:08:51 <dawm> um.. im talking in webos ;p
Jun 18 15:09:12 <Tibfib> dawm: priority discard patch
Jun 18 15:09:16 <Tibfib> adds in send confirmation
Jun 18 15:09:32 <dawm> thanx ill have to apply that ;P
Jun 18 15:11:07 <dawm> hrm.. there seems to be issues in the beta catalog =/ my newest version says its published but its still the previous version
Jun 18 15:14:40 <pandora--> it can take a day to fully refresh
Jun 18 15:16:52 <dawm> so much for rapid release
Jun 18 15:17:33 <swisstomcat> i pushed an update today until to realize 5 minutes later that there's a bug :(
Jun 18 15:17:44 <dawm> yeh been there, done that :P
Jun 18 15:19:01 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: that sucks
Jun 18 15:19:11 <swisstomcat> oh well
Jun 18 15:19:15 <swisstomcat> at least i found the bug
Jun 18 15:19:31 <swisstomcat> squished
Jun 18 15:19:39 <swisstomcat> someone else found it
Jun 18 15:19:42 <dawm> i need the newer version live so people can stop emailing me issues and start using the support site which was just added to the app
Jun 18 15:28:27 <dawm> wow
Jun 18 15:28:41 <dawm> the sample code for menu panel in stylematters isnt that friendly
Jun 18 15:29:59 <dawm> and no docs..
Jun 18 15:30:33 <sugardave> it pains me to have to use either style matters or mojo matters
Jun 18 15:30:52 <sugardave> I don't do 'classes' so it's hard for me to decipher stuff lots of times
Jun 18 15:31:04 <sugardave> especially in style matters
Jun 18 15:34:40 <sugardave> haeffb: thanks for the pastie
Jun 18 15:34:58 <dawm> i mean.. ive never seen some of these calls before
Jun 18 15:35:02 <BigBiff_pre> stylematters is painful to weed through
Jun 18 15:35:13 <dawm> this.menupanel = this.controller.sceneElement.querySelector('div[x-mojo-menupanel]');
Jun 18 15:36:15 <dawm> and
Jun 18 15:36:17 <dawm> this._dragHandler = this._dragHandler.bindAsEventListener(this);
Jun 18 15:36:18 <sugardave> ouch
Jun 18 15:36:45 <BigBiff_pre> hehe
Jun 18 15:36:46 <sugardave> that last one is pretty standard for when you want to remove listeners later
Jun 18 15:36:47 <dawm> and inside _dragHandler, its just event.stop();
Jun 18 15:36:52 <sugardave> oh
Jun 18 15:36:58 <dawm> but its not setup to listen on anything
Jun 18 15:38:55 <BigBiff_pre> woooohooooo
Jun 18 15:38:55 <LoneStar99> nice 2-2
Jun 18 15:38:59 <LoneStar99> us jsut scored
Jun 18 15:39:02 <dawm> pfft
Jun 18 15:42:32 <LoneStar99> 3-2 US
Jun 18 15:42:51 <BigBiff_pre> boooooooooo
Jun 18 15:43:46 <BigBiff_pre> ref sux
Jun 18 15:44:06 <swisstomcat> wow
Jun 18 15:44:23 <LoneStar99> they removed the the goal 2-2
Jun 18 15:45:53 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 18 15:51:04 <pandora--> LoneStar99: are the soccer games on broadcast tv?
Jun 18 15:51:07 <pandora--> or just cable
Jun 18 15:51:27 <LoneStar99> watching in espanol
Jun 18 15:51:48 <pandora--> heh it's ok
Jun 18 15:51:56 <pandora--> it's the texas second language anyways
Jun 18 15:52:18 <pandora--> (says the southern californian)
Jun 18 15:52:19 <BigBiff_pre> espn
Jun 18 15:52:36 <pandora--> ah too bad
Jun 18 15:52:41 <pandora--> i don't have cable
Jun 18 15:52:56 <BigBiff_pre> that shouldve been 3-2
Jun 18 15:53:03 <dohtem> espn3.com for the games
Jun 18 15:53:14 <BigBiff_pre> dtv here
Jun 18 15:53:28 <BigBiff_pre> that dtv app is handyyyyy
Jun 18 15:54:07 <LoneStar99> you can watch them on "http://www.univision.com" link is on the right
Jun 18 15:54:17 <LoneStar99> but they are in spanish
Jun 18 15:54:53 <LoneStar99> next game at 1.30 Central time
Jun 18 15:55:10 <LoneStar99> BigBiff_pre: yeah =(
Jun 18 15:57:23 <BigBiff_pre> dawm: gonna make an addition to webos101 after you get ur command menus kickin?
Jun 18 15:57:33 <dawm> command menus?
Jun 18 15:57:37 <dawm> been using em for liek ever
Jun 18 15:58:06 <BigBiff_pre> no I mean menu panel
Jun 18 15:58:30 <BigBiff_pre> sry
Jun 18 15:58:34 <dawm> yeh i will when i start playing with it, i started working on somethign else since i dont feel like digging ;p
Jun 18 15:58:44 <BigBiff_pre> ahh
Jun 18 16:22:30 <dawm> wish i could figure out how badkitty has a color icon in their banner notifications
Jun 18 16:25:26 <dawm> woot
Jun 18 16:25:28 <dawm> got it ;D
Jun 18 16:25:42 <pandora--> do tell
Jun 18 16:26:02 <dawm> well in their appinfo.json they only have icon: and splashicon:
Jun 18 16:26:13 <dawm> so i removed smallicon, miniicon from my appinfo
Jun 18 16:26:16 <dawm> its now color
Jun 18 16:26:51 <dawm> actually
Jun 18 16:26:55 <dawm> its miniicon that messes it up
Jun 18 16:27:03 <dawm> dont use miniicon
Jun 18 16:39:51 <hemna> how do you set the width/height of a WebView ?
Jun 18 16:41:56 <dawm> CSS
Jun 18 16:42:10 <dawm> thefind.com is awesome
Jun 18 16:43:24 <hemna> css isn't workin
Jun 18 16:47:25 <dawm> <div id="map_canvas" style="width:320px; height:400px"></div>
Jun 18 16:47:46 <hemna> http://wx.hemna.com/AvWx/AvWx3.png
Jun 18 16:48:00 <hemna> that has a 250x250 css width/height set on it
Jun 18 16:48:00 <pandora--> man i didn't realize there were some serious riots here in LA last night
Jun 18 16:48:16 <dawm> oh wait webview
Jun 18 16:48:21 <dawm> i was thinking googlemaps
Jun 18 16:49:11 <hemna> <meta name="viewport" content="width=250; height=250; initial-scale=1.0; user-scalable=yes"/>
Jun 18 16:49:19 <hemna> I put that in the web page content
Jun 18 16:49:22 <hemna> still no joy
Jun 18 16:49:41 <sugardave> hemna: I think you set it in the widget attributes
Jun 18 16:51:14 <hemna> hmm it just isn't workin
Jun 18 16:56:30 <hemna> frack, nothing works
Jun 18 17:12:35 <dpivs> what's up webosdevils
Jun 18 17:15:42 <pandora--> yo
Jun 18 17:24:06 <aGaTHoS> my photoviewer is not displaying all my images, when I moved few from one directory to another with novaterm, anyone knows what the problem is? or how can I force to reload directories or something?
Jun 18 17:28:54 <hemna> I can't seem to get focus back on a TextField after an alert dialog
Jun 18 17:36:37 * sugardave starts becoming dangerous with CSS.
Jun 18 17:38:15 <dawm> DOH
Jun 18 17:38:28 <dawm> when i changed my app name i forgot to update my alarm settings..
Jun 18 17:38:38 <dawm> all this time the app hasnt been working as it should ;p
Jun 18 17:40:43 <dawm> apparently people have just been keeping the app open heh
Jun 18 17:43:21 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  you around?
Jun 18 17:43:29 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 18 17:45:15 <LoneStar99> ok, ajax question: how would i get an ajax request to automatically execute every 1 second in webos?
Jun 18 17:45:42 <LoneStar99> of course once the app is opened?
Jun 18 17:45:47 <sugardave> setInterval(call_ajax_function.bind(this), 1000);
Jun 18 17:46:10 <sugardave> I wouldn't recommend it, though
Jun 18 17:46:24 <sugardave> once a second is pretty intensive
Jun 18 17:47:11 <LoneStar99> yeah this is gonna be an intensive program
Jun 18 17:47:36 <dawm> lone set a timer
Jun 18 17:47:40 <LoneStar99> "setInterval(call_ajax_function.bind(this), 1000);" would go after the call?
Jun 18 17:47:48 <dawm> no that is the call
Jun 18 17:48:01 <dawm> it will run call_ajax_function() at 1s intervals
Jun 18 17:49:24 <sugardave> it's best to do this: var timerID = setInterval(...);
Jun 18 17:49:38 <dawm> yeah
Jun 18 17:49:39 <sugardave> that way when you close the app, you can 'clearInterval(timerId)'
Jun 18 17:49:48 <BigBiff_pre> what happens if it takes longer than 1 sec to complet?
Jun 18 17:50:04 <BigBiff_pre> I guess they just stack up right?
Jun 18 17:50:19 <swisstomcat> i wonder what lonestar is trying to do
Jun 18 17:50:21 <sugardave> BigBiff_pre: they'll get backed up, but should hopefully clear (if he stops pounding it at some point)
Jun 18 17:52:09 <LoneStar99> like the following?  not coding now so not testing code till later http://pastebin.com/bP2sbpC7
Jun 18 17:53:53 <LoneStar99> sugardave: you all think that an ajax call every 1 second for say 10 minutes, may crash the device?
Jun 18 17:54:15 <swisstomcat> if you suddenly loose network connection, it might
Jun 18 17:54:28 <BigBiff_pre>  I think in most cases it'll take longer than one sec
Jun 18 17:54:29 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to achieve?
Jun 18 17:54:39 <LoneStar99> k, will work on it this weekend
Jun 18 17:54:39 <dawm> twhat?
Jun 18 17:54:43 <dawm> Wordpress 3 is final?
Jun 18 17:54:47 <BigBiff_pre> it'll freeze up for a bit for sure
Jun 18 17:54:50 <swisstomcat> so i heard
Jun 18 17:54:59 <sugardave> LoneStar99: your pastebin won't work as-is....you'd need your Ajax code already existing in a function named call_ajax_function
Jun 18 17:55:37 <sugardave> LoneStar99: and if you are going to try and get a response back and do some processing before that second is finished, you are asking for trouble
Jun 18 17:56:23 <LoneStar99> sugardave: yeah gonna test it out forsure, but it should work what i have in mind
Jun 18 17:57:52 <dawm> backing up wordpress
Jun 18 18:00:08 <LoneStar99> hopefully can have a raw alpha for you all to test by monday
Jun 18 18:00:43 <dawm> figures
Jun 18 18:00:51 <dawm> i finally find a wp theme i like and now its prolly not gonna work
Jun 18 18:03:59 <LoneStar99> sugardave: you know what ever happened to jfelectron?
Jun 18 18:04:43 <sugardave> no....was it gruesome?
Jun 18 18:05:45 <LoneStar99> no clue
Jun 18 18:05:53 <dawm> i dont recall beta apps having to be reviewed before
Jun 18 18:05:58 <dawm> its rather annoying
Jun 18 18:06:11 <BigBiff_pre> still not up?
Jun 18 18:06:32 <LoneStar99> dawm: is it still 1.0.7?
Jun 18 18:06:47 <dawm> no its 1.0.9 now, but its super broke and i need 1.0.10 out ;p
Jun 18 18:07:00 <LoneStar99> dawm: damn
Jun 18 18:07:00 <BigBiff_pre> ahh, hehe
Jun 18 18:07:00 <dawm> its actually been broke since 1.0.7
Jun 18 18:07:11 <dawm> i forgot to update the appid in the alarm
Jun 18 18:07:14 <dawm> since i changed the appid
Jun 18 18:07:27 <dawm> so the background process hasnt worked since i changed the appid
Jun 18 18:07:36 <dawm> its now fixed to reflect the info in appinfo :P
Jun 18 18:07:43 <dawm> shouldnt break ever again
Jun 18 18:08:06 <LoneStar99> dawm: giving your app an F
Jun 18 18:08:08 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 18 18:08:17 <dawm> its already got 2 5star reviews ;P
Jun 18 18:08:22 <dawm> i think people might be leaving the app open
Jun 18 18:08:23 * BigBiff_pre needs to learn about background processes
Jun 18 18:08:29 <LoneStar99> great
Jun 18 18:09:19 <BigBiff_pre> dawm: I'll review it to let people know it's still broke :p
Jun 18 18:09:30 <dawm> shit
Jun 18 18:09:38 <BigBiff_pre> hehe
Jun 18 18:09:40 <dawm> i keep forgetting about metrix bulletins
Jun 18 18:11:45 <BigBiff_pre> dawm: I forgot what ur app was
Jun 18 18:12:12 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: did you get my pastie?
Jun 18 18:14:11 <LoneStar99> dawm: yeah me to will give you no stars, and say i want my money back
Jun 18 18:14:21 <dawm> its free and in beta :P
Jun 18 18:14:39 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 18 18:17:01 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: yes, awesome, but now I've gone back to a custom footer
Jun 18 18:17:12 <sugardave> it was the 'center' part that I was missing
Jun 18 18:17:20 <sugardave> stupid css
Jun 18 18:20:58 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: one thing I couldn't overcome was that when you tap the button, the image would shift up
Jun 18 18:22:03 <haeffb_pre> the CSS tells it to shift up on .selected
Jun 18 18:22:24 <sugardave> okay, so override .selected and done
Jun 18 18:22:33 <sugardave> cool, now I'll just ask the dude which way he wants to go
Jun 18 18:25:35 <haeffb_pre> the palm .pngs have two images - regular & selected
Jun 18 18:25:35 <haeffb_pre> so if you didn't change the .selected class it tries to show the bottom half of the .png
Jun 18 18:26:22 <dawm> ok so i upgraded to wordpress 3.. but everything looks the same
Jun 18 18:26:30 <dawm> weaksauce!
Jun 18 18:30:49 <haeffb_pre> what's supposed to be different?
Jun 18 18:32:38 <HattCzech_work> dawm: what's your app?
Jun 18 18:32:43 <dawm> ringwhere beta
Jun 18 18:33:09 <swisstomcat> location based profiles?
Jun 18 18:33:10 <HattCzech_work> purpose?
Jun 18 18:33:18 <dawm> change ringtone based on gps location
Jun 18 18:33:26 <HattCzech_work> nice
Jun 18 18:33:29 <dawm> and volume and vibrate when palm allows the api access
Jun 18 18:34:47 <BigBiff_pre> I still wanna see an app with custom vibrates for different contacts/ types of messages
Jun 18 18:35:02 <HattCzech_work> so you've been playing with the maps api, right?
Jun 18 18:35:15 <HattCzech_work> BigBiff_pre: that's what i made :)
Jun 18 18:35:22 <HattCzech_work> (in homebrew)
Jun 18 18:35:47 <BigBiff_pre> ahhh. I couldn't remember who was working on it
Jun 18 18:35:47 <HattCzech_work> attempting to revamp it, but trying to find the time
Jun 18 18:36:20 <BigBiff_pre> gotta have beethoves 5th in there :)
Jun 18 18:36:30 <BigBiff_pre> +n
Jun 18 18:37:11 <HattCzech_work> heheh, once i get the structure setup a bit better, then i'll start adding some sounds/music
Jun 18 18:37:39 <BigBiff_pre> nah, just the rhythm in the vibrate
Jun 18 18:37:45 <HattCzech_work> heheheh
Jun 18 18:38:02 <HattCzech_work> i think that'll be a bit hard to immitate, but i'll try
Jun 18 18:38:12 <dawm> ive been trying to play with google maps api, but its fighting me the whole way ;p
Jun 18 18:38:32 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, so what have you been using, dawm?
Jun 18 18:38:36 <dawm> i had some code working months back with GMaps v2, but now they changed too much on me ;p
Jun 18 18:38:51 <dawm> currently you have to be at the location you want to setup, or know its coords
Jun 18 18:39:13 <swisstomcat> i started with the ares map tutorial and went from there (exported the ares project)
Jun 18 18:39:30 <dawm> i just need to drop markers and draw radii
Jun 18 18:39:37 <dawm> ive got the markers
Jun 18 18:39:39 <HattCzech_work> what kind of info can you get without opening google maps?
Jun 18 18:39:47 <HattCzech_work> does it give you pretty much everything?
Jun 18 18:39:58 <dawm> the google maps app is just a wrapper
Jun 18 18:40:05 <dawm> if you look inside the app theres almost no code
Jun 18 18:40:29 <HattCzech_work> okay, cool
Jun 18 18:40:50 <dawm> ive got a map view working, and markers being applied properly and info windows, but getting the map view to zoom so all markers are visible is giving me a challange
Jun 18 18:41:14 <swisstomcat> dawm: check out the code from the foursquare app (github)
Jun 18 18:41:16 <dawm> im just trying to show data, i havent even looked into actually allowing a user to use the map view to pick a location
Jun 18 18:41:24 <dawm> swisstomcat, i did, its pretty much what im using
Jun 18 18:41:30 <swisstomcat> oh, i see
Jun 18 18:41:32 <dawm> i dislike their hack of pinch/zoom
Jun 18 18:42:03 <dawm> and their stuff zooms on the current location
Jun 18 18:42:11 <dawm> id like to zoom so all locations are visible
Jun 18 18:42:19 <dawm> ignoring the current
Jun 18 18:42:37 <dawm> cause right now ive got 2 profiles, palm hq and my house ;p and we're pretty far apart :P
Jun 18 18:45:05 <HattCzech_work> has anyone here played with contacts or accounts?
Jun 18 19:05:24 <dawm> hehe
Jun 18 19:05:33 <dawm> i break the google maps v3 api so good i have to restart the emulator
Jun 18 19:06:53 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: just for the calendar access
Jun 18 19:07:31 <HattCzech_work> pandora--: what type of access do you get?
Jun 18 19:07:44 <HattCzech_work> (or what specifically do you access?)
Jun 18 19:10:41 <PuffTheMagic> how come the debug output from luna always says line undefined, file undefined
Jun 18 19:11:27 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: i used the api to create an account for my application, then add events to it
Jun 18 19:11:34 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: in the iBored app
Jun 18 19:11:55 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: so when you look at the calendar, you have "iBored" as an account, and can show/hide those events, etc
Jun 18 19:13:57 <pandora--> ugh. Today's App Catalog brought to you by: "Brighthose Labs, your source for spammy shitty apps!"
Jun 18 19:15:17 <pandora--> this is ridiculous, there's like 20 new apps from them today, or just "updates" on them. crap apps with crap reviews for stupid shit. "Amish Recipes" and italian, and korean, and greek and tex-mex. all different apps
Jun 18 19:15:22 <pandora--> ugh
Jun 18 19:15:55 <pandora--> wow the reviews for brighthouse apps are baaaaaaddddd
Jun 18 19:18:28 <pandora--> LOL all the recipe apps by Brighthouse use the SAME screenshots
Jun 18 19:18:47 <pandora--> one of which shows a recipe for Adobo (from the mexican or tex-mex app)
Jun 18 19:18:56 <pandora--> so, the Korean recipe app has that as a screenshot
Jun 18 19:18:58 <pandora--> what a scam
Jun 18 19:19:21 <HattCzech_work> i wish we could get rid of those
Jun 18 19:19:22 <pandora--> and, actually, that's against the terms of the app catalog agreement
Jun 18 19:19:36 <HattCzech_work> but at least palm gets $50 for every crappy one they push out
Jun 18 19:19:38 <HattCzech_work> hahah
Jun 18 19:19:48 <HattCzech_work> they must've made $1000 off of them by now
Jun 18 19:19:52 <pandora--> which you have to agree thatall the screenshots are accurate and came from the ipk that you're submitting, etc
Jun 18 19:20:04 <HattCzech_work> very true
Jun 18 19:20:07 <HattCzech_work> REJECT!
Jun 18 19:20:12 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: maybe, but they all have terrible reviews, so maybe not
Jun 18 19:20:28 <HattCzech_work> (palm has made that much from them submitting so many)
Jun 18 19:20:51 <pandora--> oh that's what you meant, lol yeah right??
Jun 18 19:20:54 <pandora--> hahahah
Jun 18 19:20:57 <pandora--> so true
Jun 18 19:21:11 <HattCzech_work> so at least palm is getting something out of it ;) hehe
Jun 18 19:22:01 <dawm> most of those apps were in before the $50 fee
Jun 18 19:23:01 <HattCzech_work> how unfortunate
Jun 18 19:23:21 <HattCzech_work> 40 recipe apps
Jun 18 19:23:24 <HattCzech_work> 160 sports apps
Jun 18 19:23:31 <HattCzech_work> (just by doing a quick search)
Jun 18 19:23:38 <pandora--> wow
Jun 18 19:24:03 <HattCzech_work> yeah, lame
Jun 18 19:24:16 <HattCzech_work> so, pandora--, for the accounts...
Jun 18 19:24:39 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, i guess it's not the same for calendar
Jun 18 19:24:46 <pandora--> so... 200 apps.. $50 a pop to submit... $10,000 spent in submissions??
Jun 18 19:25:09 <pandora--> and whatever cost to create the apps
Jun 18 19:25:25 <pandora--> there's no way they've made profit off this (I HOPE)
Jun 18 19:25:32 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: ah
Jun 18 19:25:34 <dawm> most of those apps were in before the $50 fee
Jun 18 19:26:04 <pandora--> ah.
Jun 18 19:26:04 <pandora--> damn
Jun 18 19:26:42 <pandora--> well, we can all email chris@brighthouselabs.com to tell him to, politely, stop stuffing up the app catalog and lowering the average quality of applications that Palm users expect
Jun 18 19:27:19 <dawm> pandora--, you see the fake hp apps?
Jun 18 19:27:29 <pandora--> dawm: no?
Jun 18 19:27:30 <dawm> theres a few saying they're by hp but the obviously are not
Jun 18 19:27:36 <dawm> and people believe that they are!
Jun 18 19:28:08 <dawm> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/251145-anyone-notice-junk-apps-supposidly-hp.html
Jun 18 19:28:40 <dawm> they were all in the beta category
Jun 18 19:28:50 <dawm> which is why i think they are 'reviewing' beta apps now
Jun 18 19:29:54 <pandora--> weird..
Jun 18 19:30:10 <dawm> cause you can put anythign in the metadata
Jun 18 19:30:17 <dawm> which is what this indivual did
Jun 18 19:30:23 <pandora--> yeah
Jun 18 19:30:44 <dawm> now us real developers are suffering (atleast i am) i cant push new beta versions without waiting on palm to 'review'
Jun 18 19:31:02 <pandora--> that sucks
Jun 18 19:31:18 <HattCzech_work> oh, that does suck
Jun 18 19:31:22 <codeslaw> what happed?
Jun 18 19:36:17 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw: someone submitted apps as hp and caused the beta catalog to get reviewed
Jun 18 19:36:38 <codeslaw> uumm
Jun 18 19:36:41 <codeslaw> not sure i follow
Jun 18 19:36:46 <codeslaw> someone claimed to be HP
Jun 18 19:36:50 <codeslaw> in the beta feed
Jun 18 19:36:56 <codeslaw> and now all beta apps must be reviewed?
Jun 18 19:38:02 <dawm> sure seems like it
Jun 18 19:38:08 <dawm> i dont recall beta's being reviewed
Jun 18 19:38:08 <codeslaw> suucks
Jun 18 19:38:40 <dawm> awesome
Jun 18 19:38:48 <dawm> i stumbled on someoen talking about ringwhere in the forums ;D
Jun 18 19:39:01 <dawm> "This apps gps finder works pretty flawlessly."
Jun 18 19:39:04 <dawm> XD
Jun 18 19:39:19 <HattCzech_work> how often do you poll, dawm?
Jun 18 19:39:27 <dawm> its up to the user
Jun 18 19:39:32 <dawm> minimum is 5minutes
Jun 18 19:39:40 <dawm> 5,10,15, and i think 20
Jun 18 19:39:47 <HattCzech_work> cool
Jun 18 19:43:51 <LoneStar99> anyone know how irc_pre receives packets of information?
Jun 18 19:44:28 <LoneStar99> assuming some sort of ajax or something right?
Jun 18 19:48:04 <dawm> bbl, gotta go pick up a clutch for the project car
Jun 18 19:50:45 <swisstomcat> lonestar: it's a service talking with the server (in the background)
Jun 18 19:50:56 <swisstomcat> at least for wIRC
Jun 18 19:54:10 <oil> swisstomcat: new wirc is hybrid
Jun 18 19:54:37 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.stageController.sendEventToCommanders(event)....doesn't work?
Jun 18 19:54:51 <LoneStar99> oil: but  does it get the info via ajax?
Jun 18 19:54:55 <oil> no
Jun 18 19:55:01 <oil> requests to the plugin
Jun 18 19:55:10 <swisstomcat> plugin implements the IRC protocol
Jun 18 19:55:10 <oil> the plugin talks to the irc server directly
Jun 18 19:55:13 <LoneStar99> oh I see
Jun 18 19:55:36 <LoneStar99> plugin is in C?
Jun 18 19:55:40 <oil> yeah
Jun 18 19:56:25 <oil> there is another irc app that does it with ajax
Jun 18 19:56:28 <oil> talking to a webserver
Jun 18 19:56:31 <LoneStar99> oil: written in C/ does what better than javasvript?
Jun 18 19:56:32 <oil> which talks to the irc server
Jun 18 19:56:54 <oil> LoneStar99: AFAIK, there is no way to open a port with javascript in webos at the moment
Jun 18 19:58:55 <LoneStar99> oil: cool, just trying to get enough info, for a potential app
Jun 18 19:59:38 <LoneStar99> oil: for example it will be requesting data every second
Jun 18 20:01:04 <LoneStar99> not tons of data, but data non the less
Jun 18 20:01:54 <LoneStar99> a server will be the middle man
Jun 18 20:02:19 * oil would love to help, but has to get back to work
Jun 18 20:03:03 <LoneStar99> oil: thanks
Jun 18 20:03:06 * oil bbl
Jun 18 20:03:27 <LoneStar99> thanks for your insight
Jun 18 20:14:37 <HattCzech_work> alrighty... i need some help with bind
Jun 18 20:14:46 <HattCzech_work> i thought i had it figured out, but not so much
Jun 18 20:15:04 <swisstomcat> i always think that i've figured it out as well :)
Jun 18 20:17:43 <BigBiff_pre> watcha got
Jun 18 20:19:03 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, interesting
Jun 18 20:19:27 <HattCzech_work> it was on my onFailure function
Jun 18 20:20:23 <HattCzech_work> is there something like an "isFunction" verification?
Jun 18 20:21:17 <HattCzech_work> prototype says there is: Object.isFunction(obj)
Jun 18 20:21:22 <HattCzech_work> excellent
Jun 18 20:21:25 * HattCzech_work thanks google ;)
Jun 18 20:23:46 <HattCzech_work> arg! that didn't work
Jun 18 20:24:15 <sugardave> hang on I have it
Jun 18 20:24:26 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/DPuzFi51
Jun 18 20:24:50 <HattCzech_work> i want it to call the callback only if it fails...
Jun 18 20:24:56 <sugardave> if (typeof(thing) === 'function')
Jun 18 20:25:09 <HattCzech_work> okay, i'll try that
Jun 18 20:26:16 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, still fails
Jun 18 20:26:28 <HattCzech_work> maybe i need to declare it first or something
Jun 18 20:26:40 <sugardave> yeah, thing needs to exist :P
Jun 18 20:26:55 <BigBiff_pre> don't you have to wrap that conditional in a function?
Jun 18 20:27:19 <sugardave> ?
Jun 18 20:28:05 <sugardave> if (typeof(object) === 'function') {object();} else {// do nothing}
Jun 18 20:28:33 <BigBiff_pre> onComplete: function(){if...}
Jun 18 20:28:45 <sugardave> oh, I haven't looked at his paste
Jun 18 20:28:46 <sugardave> :D
Jun 18 20:29:04 <BigBiff_pre> maybe I'm wrong...
Jun 18 20:29:56 <HattCzech_work> hmmm
Jun 18 20:30:06 <sugardave> it looks okay from a first look
Jun 18 20:30:09 <HattCzech_work> well the (condition) ? true : false usually works
Jun 18 20:30:25 <swisstomcat> how do i adjust the position of an image in the header?
Jun 18 20:30:55 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: callback.bind(this, false) perhaps?
Jun 18 20:31:07 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, i'll try that
Jun 18 20:32:30 <HattCzech_work> and that was correct
Jun 18 20:32:35 <sugardave> nice
Jun 18 20:32:38 * HattCzech_work hi-fives sugardave
Jun 18 20:32:52 <HattCzech_work> thanks
Jun 18 20:32:55 <sugardave> np
Jun 18 20:38:34 <sugardave> who has the quickest way to remove dividers between list entries?
Jun 18 20:38:46 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: whiteout!
Jun 18 20:40:14 <sugardave> that's pretty quick, true
Jun 18 20:48:06 <BigBiff_pre> sugardave:
Jun 18 20:48:20 <BigBiff_pre> .palm-row.no-divider
Jun 18 20:49:38 <sugardave> BigBiff_pre: awesome, thanks!
Jun 18 20:54:58 * haeffb is on vacation for a week!
Jun 18 20:55:03 <haeffb> starting....NOW.
Jun 18 20:55:37 <swisstomcat> cool
Jun 18 20:55:39 <swisstomcat> enjoy!
Jun 18 20:58:49 <swisstomcat> anyone used the dividertemplate?
Jun 18 20:59:02 <swisstomcat> since the default one only has space for one character
Jun 18 21:05:19 <HattCzech_work> dividertemplate?
Jun 18 21:05:24 <HattCzech_work> not familiar with that
Jun 18 21:08:02 <haeffb> swisstomcat: yes
Jun 18 21:08:22 <swisstomcat> i found an example but it seems overly complicated
Jun 18 21:08:29 <swisstomcat> with a table and all
Jun 18 21:08:51 <haeffb> that's what I use
Jun 18 21:09:02 <haeffb> overly complicated with a table and all
Jun 18 21:09:36 <haeffb> like so: http://www.pastie.org/1010735
Jun 18 21:12:21 <swisstomcat> like my example :)
Jun 18 21:12:27 <swisstomcat> looks like everyone is using the same :)
Jun 18 21:13:24 <swisstomcat> and it works
Jun 18 21:15:04 <HattCzech_work> end result picture?
Jun 18 21:17:32 <haeffb> HattCzech_work: like this http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/agenda
Jun 18 21:17:55 <haeffb> the THURSDAY, OCTOBER 8 2009 divider
Jun 18 21:18:02 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 18 21:18:03 <Bmyers> anyone have an updated app come out today? trying to see what the lag time is right now for app review
Jun 18 21:18:13 <swisstomcat> i submitted today
Jun 18 21:18:36 <Bmyers> has it been reviewed yet?
Jun 18 21:18:39 <haeffb> submitted on Fri, published Wed
Jun 18 21:18:42 <swisstomcat> have to check
Jun 18 21:18:46 <swisstomcat> it's usually 2 days
Jun 18 21:18:53 <Bmyers> i submitted wednesday
Jun 18 21:19:15 <haeffb> oh, then it won't come out for a month. you're screwed
Jun 18 21:19:19 <haeffb> :)
Jun 18 21:19:27 <Bmyers> i thought you were leaving
Jun 18 21:19:29 <Bmyers> on vaca
Jun 18 21:19:34 <Bmyers> u still here?
Jun 18 21:19:49 <haeffb> spending a week working around the house.
Jun 18 21:19:50 <swisstomcat> you're allowed to leave now, haeffb :)
Jun 18 21:20:01 <swisstomcat> ready to review
Jun 18 21:20:02 <haeffb> I can only work in very brief spurts.
Jun 18 21:20:15 <Bmyers> i prefer boxers
Jun 18 21:20:33 <HattCzech_work> hahaha
Jun 18 21:21:59 <HebrewzHammer> ~botsnack
Jun 18 21:22:12 <HebrewzHammer> :(
Jun 18 21:22:34 <swisstomcat> goodnight everyone
Jun 18 21:22:37 <swisstomcat> and thanks haeffb
Jun 18 21:22:50 <dpivs> night swiss
Jun 18 21:22:51 <pandora--> haeffb: hell of a vacation
Jun 18 21:23:34 <pandora--> Bmyers: no app updates today, pipe was clogged full of Brighthouse Labs shit
Jun 18 21:23:39 <pandora--> :)
Jun 18 21:24:46 <swisstomcat> i really enjoy working with komdo and your extension, templarian
Jun 18 21:25:14 <swisstomcat> much better than gedit and commandline
Jun 18 21:25:38 <sugardave> such glowing endorsement :D
Jun 18 21:25:43 <Templarian> swisstomcat: good to hear.
Jun 18 21:25:46 <sugardave> "Ot
Jun 18 21:25:55 <sugardave> "It's better than a pile of shit."
Jun 18 21:26:17 <Templarian> Yes, we shall get quotes to show how awesome it is.
Jun 18 21:26:27 <sugardave> haha
Jun 18 21:26:41 <Templarian> Also Komodo 6.0 feels a lot better.
Jun 18 21:27:34 <Templarian> Also they added all the -webkit- prefixes.
Jun 18 21:27:47 <sugardave> niiice
Jun 18 21:28:29 <Templarian> I put in multiple requests for feature updates to help out web developers, a lot directly help webOS people also.
Jun 18 21:30:29 <Templarian> A lot of stuff won't show up till b2 though which hasn't been released.
Jun 18 21:32:45 <Bmyers> pandora--:  i hate brighthouse labs shit
Jun 18 21:35:24 <Bmyers> OMG you're not kidding
Jun 18 21:35:48 <Bmyers> chuqui: please tell me the app reviewers didnt spend a whole day on that junk
Jun 18 21:37:11 <Bmyers> did we really need a phoenix hockey fans brighthouse labs update today?
Jun 18 21:37:22 <Bmyers> isnt the season like, over?
Jun 18 21:37:33 <HattCzech_work> Bmyers: did we need ANY of those POS updates?
Jun 18 21:37:57 <Bmyers> i got an app idea
Jun 18 21:38:03 <Bmyers> $99 app
Jun 18 21:38:21 <chuqui> you're seeing the repricing for the promo rolling out.....
Jun 18 21:38:22 <Bmyers> gives the current LOCATION of the person behind brighthouse labs
Jun 18 21:38:26 <sugardave> a $99 app that runs all of the BH Labs apps?
Jun 18 21:38:39 <Bmyers> it'll sell like hotcakes
Jun 18 21:39:42 <Bmyers> chuqui: promo rollout of what?
Jun 18 21:39:57 <chuqui> the 50% off sale.
Jun 18 21:40:10 <Bmyers> shovelware
Jun 18 21:40:19 <HattCzech_work> what about the free apps? are those 50% off, too!? ;)
Jun 18 21:40:31 <chuqui> yup
Jun 18 21:40:34 <Bmyers> please ask one of the reviewers to push thru my guyrules update chuqui
Jun 18 21:40:41 <chuqui> you can download twice as many free apps for the same price! try it!
Jun 18 21:40:59 <HattCzech_work> YESSSS!
Jun 18 21:41:00 <Bmyers> it's total garbage to put up with the shovelhouse labs junk
Jun 18 21:41:47 <Bmyers> i submitted wed
Jun 18 21:42:12 <Bmyers> stupid template generated apps
Jun 18 21:42:51 <codeslaw> chuqui: 1) put $10,000 app in catalog.  2) Buy app yourself during half price week 3) Repeat 4) Profit
Jun 18 21:42:58 <codeslaw> how do you reconcile?!?!
Jun 18 21:43:29 <Bmyers> sugardave already explored that codeslaw
Jun 18 21:43:35 <Bmyers> i dont think it would fly
Jun 18 21:43:36 <chuqui> you presume we don't have rules against publishing the "I want to be rich" apps.
Jun 18 21:43:58 <HattCzech_work> that and you'll only have a couple weeks
Jun 18 21:44:02 <codeslaw> but what if i had an app that really IS worth the 10 grand
Jun 18 21:44:03 <sugardave> whoa whoa whoa....what did I do?
Jun 18 21:44:09 <HattCzech_work> minus the week to publish :)
Jun 18 21:45:25 <Bmyers> but it's ok to put out 10,000 crappy 1.99 apps in 1 day
Jun 18 21:45:58 <Bmyers> sugardave: your idea of buying your own 10k app to win prize $$
Jun 18 21:46:29 * sugardave tries to remember.
Jun 18 21:46:41 <pandora--> lol
Jun 18 21:46:47 <sugardave> nope, not happening
Jun 18 21:46:47 <codeslaw> just read my above scenario
Jun 18 21:47:00 <Bmyers> maybe it was haeffb
Jun 18 21:47:10 <Bmyers> but it seems like something sugardave would do
Jun 18 21:47:25 <sugardave> I like to test things, what can I say? :D
Jun 18 21:47:36 <codeslaw> AWWW WHAT? Emoticons Free jumped me in the hot apps
Jun 18 21:47:46 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to create an account that links to an existing contact?
Jun 18 21:48:04 <HattCzech_work> create a contact that links to an existing contact*
Jun 18 21:48:20 <sugardave> it's basically what chuqui said re: no "get rich quick" apps, but who draws that line and what is it?
Jun 18 21:48:53 <chuqui> our review team does, sugardave. it's their job.
Jun 18 21:49:01 <sugardave> what is it?
Jun 18 21:49:30 <codeslaw> if someone wants to declare their richness by purchasing fluff apps, i say more power to them
Jun 18 21:51:12 <Bmyers> i just REALLY hope my app gets review for the weekend. it would suck to be blown out by brighthouse
Jun 18 21:52:13 <codeslaw> a real shame that'd be
Jun 18 21:57:02 <chuqui> from what I can tell, everyone's apps are refreshing into the catalog. honestly, it's probably not to Brighthouse's advantage to be refreshed FIRST.
Jun 18 22:02:12 <HattCzech_work> adios all
Jun 18 22:02:21 <HattCzech_work> have a good weekend
Jun 18 22:05:44 <codeslaw> chuqui: hybrid contest in the future, after PDK contest ends? maybe?
Jun 18 22:06:03 <chuqui> who knows? if I did, I couldn't say.
Jun 18 22:06:09 <codeslaw> of course not
Jun 18 22:06:35 <chuqui> (but I've suggested we do something to encourage quality, like apple's design awards.. I expect we will at some point)
Jun 18 22:06:36 <codeslaw> but your reply contained trace insight into your psyche, revealing to me the answer to teh questions i seek!
Jun 18 22:06:59 <codeslaw> design awards would be awesome, i was just thinking that the other day
Jun 18 22:07:01 <chuqui> codeslaw it does? and waht's the answer? because I sure don't know the answer...
Jun 18 22:07:43 <codeslaw> i'll reveal it once i've got it well documented, in case anything "unfortunate" happens to me after doing so
Jun 18 22:18:56 <codeslaw> lets get the brighthouse dev(s) into irc
Jun 18 22:31:06 <codeslaw> WEEKEND
Jun 18 22:31:08 <codeslaw> later all
Jun 18 22:47:45 <dawm|away> hrm
Jun 18 22:48:03 <dawm|away> something in my code is cause serious lag, dont know where it is, but it hangs the emulator to the point that i ahve to restart it
Jun 18 22:54:48 <EmmettLollis> greetings
Jun 18 23:03:39 <PuffTheMagic> is there a property for mojo widgets to disable rendering html content?
Jun 18 23:04:05 <BigBiff_pre> ?
Jun 18 23:04:35 <PuffTheMagic> like if i type <b>make this bold</b>
Jun 18 23:19:25 <dawm|away> argh
Jun 18 23:19:31 <dawm|away> i hate people that sign up for stuff under my email..
Jun 18 23:19:41 <dawm|away> some 'person' signed on on match.com with my email
Jun 18 23:20:13 <dawm|away> her account was respectfully renamed >:] , password changed and subscription cancelled
Jun 18 23:20:57 <dawm|away> i dont think metrix works as well as its supposed to, its count is less than palm's count
Jun 18 23:30:26 <rwhitby> half price apps is on
Jun 18 23:37:38 <Tibfib> holy brighthouse labs
Jun 18 23:41:28 * Tibfib is going on an app buying spree
Jun 18 23:43:48 <dawm|away> sucks.. i bought a few the other day.. wish i knew about the sale then ;p
Jun 18 23:48:36 <maik> i have a ToggleButton that doesn't want to trigger if the div it is above (in code) has any opacity < 1
Jun 18 23:54:53 <maik> ah, good 'ol z-index
Jun 19 00:04:22 <sugardave> hmmm, I thought that if you went to http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=anAppId in a webview, that it went to the actual app catalog page for that app
Jun 19 00:04:37 <sugardave> is that not true anymore?
Jun 19 00:04:48 <dawm|away> it might not in a webview
Jun 19 00:05:06 <dawm|away> in the browser it switches to the appcat
Jun 19 00:05:20 <dawm|away> or as a link in an email/text
Jun 19 00:05:21 <sugardave> hmm, so that sucks
Jun 19 00:05:28 <dawm|away> why? what are you doing
Jun 19 00:06:19 <sugardave> customer has a remote .html with some other apps he wants in a more apps type page...the design calls for clicking the link and being taken to the app catalog, but instead, it goes to the app info page where it asks you to enter your phone number to send it, etc.
Jun 19 00:07:11 <sugardave> I'm also having trouble with my webview in a scroller and sometimes it scrolls and other times not
Jun 19 00:07:28 <sugardave> all his css appears to be in the html, so I may try to just update a div with an ajax response and see how that goes
Jun 19 00:44:09 <dawm|away> wow
Jun 19 00:44:10 <dawm|away> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs478.snc3/26204_106519596046583_100000656290359_103474_3969452_n.jpg
Jun 19 00:44:12 <dawm|away> if that was real ;P
Jun 19 00:45:44 <dawm|away> whoa
Jun 19 00:45:54 <dawm|away> http://www.facebook.com//video/video.php?v=1059992988532
Jun 19 00:45:58 <dawm|away> i never saw that commercial
Jun 19 00:47:27 <sugardave> is it just impossible to put a WebView in a Scroller?  No matter what I do, my scroller height won't stick....I have copied the HTML directly from another working scene, made new CSS and classes that match, etc.
Jun 19 01:03:26 <Bmyers> well there ya go.
Jun 19 01:03:40 <Bmyers> submitted my app wed and it's still not updated
Jun 19 01:03:45 <Bmyers> stupid brighthouse crap
Jun 19 02:07:39 <Tibfib> haeffb: your homebrew done! description is full of win.
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