**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 19 02:59:57 2010
Jun 19 03:00:54 <Tibfib> holy crap purefusion.
Jun 19 03:29:15 <BigBiff> man webos is kickin tonight
Jun 19 03:42:10 <JenP> hi all
Jun 19 03:56:19 <pandora--> JenP: hey :)
Jun 19 03:57:02 <JenP> hi pand
Jun 19 03:57:04 <JenP> ora
Jun 19 03:57:05 <JenP> lol
Jun 19 03:58:31 <pandora--> this is insane
Jun 19 03:58:39 <JenP> what's that?
Jun 19 03:58:46 <pandora--> brighthouse labs, with this app catalog refresh
Jun 19 03:58:52 <pandora--> omg.
Jun 19 03:58:56 <pandora--> killing me
Jun 19 03:58:57 <JenP> oh i know!
Jun 19 04:01:16 <pandora--> it's just mad. there are SOOOOO many
Jun 19 04:01:21 <pandora--> and they're ALLLLLLLLL SHITTTTTTT
Jun 19 04:03:41 <JenP> i know!
Jun 19 04:05:50 <dawm|away> sooo i got bored
Jun 19 04:05:57 <dawm|away> made some website mock ups anyone wanna see
Jun 19 04:08:09 <pandora--> dawm|away: surrrrre
Jun 19 04:08:39 <dawm|away> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/ringwhere-mock.png
Jun 19 04:08:40 <dawm|away> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/swapndrop-mock.png
Jun 19 04:09:16 <dawm|away> think they would work good for website splash images?
Jun 19 04:09:17 <dawm|away> :P
Jun 19 04:11:07 <dawm|away> doh a typo
Jun 19 04:21:46 <pandora--> dawm|away: yeah looks great
Jun 19 05:36:30 <rwhitby> dawm: those mock ups are great
Jun 19 05:36:42 <rwhitby> dawm: the ringwhere one has a swap&drop menu, BTW
Jun 19 06:02:35 <EmmettLollis> dawn, those mock ups look awesome
Jun 19 06:03:34 <EmmettLollis> how is everyone?
Jun 19 06:07:53 <EmmettLollis> hello ezc
Jun 19 07:24:21 <dawm> they arent anything official, just did em real quick
Jun 19 07:24:41 <dawm> odd thing just happened, i was playing mini golf on my pre and i know the battery was low (about 53%) when i started playing
Jun 19 07:25:01 <dawm> in the middle of a shot the music stopped and it just froze.. i had to pry off the back cover and remove the battery
Jun 19 07:25:20 <dawm> so i plug the battery back in and turn it on, and it demands that i put it on the charger ;p
Jun 19 07:25:50 <dawm> so i guess the battery went dead? but it didnt shut off, it just froze
Jun 19 07:42:54 <oddalot> test
Jun 19 07:43:01 <oddalot> alright, i can speak, hi
Jun 19 08:54:39 <dawm> .. theres a commercial on tv for something called 'Booty Pop'
Jun 19 09:32:45 <HotDP> How come i can not see my App in the "new list" and not find it when i search. But only find it with direct link?
Jun 19 12:07:41 <RamsesFSFE> what does GPS Error: 1 mean?
Jun 19 12:14:27 <Roy-Pre101> RamsesFSFE: don't know.
Jun 19 12:17:52 <Roy-Pre101> I wonder if Cookies are fast enough it's not worth even cachng them?
Jun 19 12:22:19 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone know what happens if you adjust settings on an element from a scene that's not on top?
Jun 19 12:23:16 <Famic> Roy-Pre101: it works
Jun 19 12:23:58 <Roy-Pre101> As in, it doesn't interfere with the topmost scene at all...
Jun 19 12:24:36 <Famic> why don't you try it ?
Jun 19 12:25:54 <Roy-Pre101> I will!
Jun 19 12:25:57 <Roy-Pre101> :)
Jun 19 12:27:46 <BigBiff_pre> how do you reference an element on lower scene?
Jun 19 12:30:14 <Roy-Pre101> I've got a copy in my model.
Jun 19 12:30:31 <Roy-Pre101> reference, if you will.
Jun 19 12:31:11 <Roy-Pre101> I'm not liking the structure of this app...  I need to find a better way to split up the layout and functionality.
Jun 19 12:34:11 <BigBiff_pre> I haven't messed with models.... don't really understand ...
Jun 19 12:45:22 <Roy-Pre101> Just another place to put javascript.  My own objects for tracking stuff.
Jun 19 12:47:37 <BigBiff_pre> oh.. I thought the models folder was something specific,
Jun 19 12:48:12 <BigBiff_pre> I have been creating my own js folders :/
Jun 19 13:01:45 <haeffb> oh, no! js folders!
Jun 19 13:16:35 <MetaView> I have problems to fill an associated array in php
Jun 19 13:17:35 <MetaView> $datarow = array();
Jun 19 13:17:35 <MetaView> $datarow[$tag] = $data;
Jun 19 13:17:51 <MetaView> but I only get $tag not $data
Jun 19 13:24:08 <MetaView> ok, found it
Jun 19 13:24:41 <BigBiff> haeffb: ur sposed to be on vacation
Jun 19 13:25:01 <haeffb> Ohh. Good point.
Jun 19 14:04:14 <damada> Hi, when I delete an email (either by swiping or by pressing the trash button in the message view) it is moved to the trash as unread... How can I make emails to *always* get deleted and marked as read?
Jun 19 14:04:44 <BigBiff> I don't think you can
Jun 19 14:04:48 <damada> this happens on all my imap accounts that I use. I have deleted and recreated them all completely, with no success
Jun 19 14:05:16 <damada> BigBiff: ? This is super annoying since I also access these accounts with a regular email client
Jun 19 14:05:55 <damada> at least, they should be marked as read when deleting them from the message view...
Jun 19 14:06:25 <BigBiff> there may be a patch that does it, but I don't know
Jun 19 15:32:06 <torchie>  paratrooper is AWESOME
Jun 19 15:50:57 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: where/how are you going to cache cookies?
Jun 19 15:51:21 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Just in an object.
Jun 19 15:51:56 <sugardave> oh, I see....I do that
Jun 19 15:54:20 <reality9110> I love it when there's a change on the server and they forget to tell me
Jun 19 15:54:47 <sugardave> hey doc
Jun 19 15:54:54 <sugardave> it's how they keep you on your toes :D
Jun 19 15:54:56 <reality9110> Hey Dave
Jun 19 15:55:10 <reality9110> I don't want to be on my toes.  I just pushed an update the other week
Jun 19 15:55:20 <reality9110> I just want to sit back and make money
Jun 19 15:55:36 <sugardave> yeah, me, too....I've got the first part down
Jun 19 15:56:09 <reality9110> The sit back part?
Jun 19 15:56:13 <sugardave> yep
Jun 19 15:56:16 <reality9110> heh
Jun 19 15:56:54 <reality9110> I've got the second part down.  Now I'm struggling with the first part
Jun 19 15:59:30 <sugardave> hmm, well sounds like we need a partnership
Jun 19 16:04:36 <reality9110> I just need to figure out why this code is failing
Jun 19 16:13:27 <sugardave> reality9110: is it a code issue or a server change issue?
Jun 19 16:15:35 <reality9110> It's a must change code to fit server issue
Jun 19 16:15:47 <reality9110> Actually, is there a way to exclude items off of a list?
Jun 19 16:16:45 <sugardave> probably....easy way would be to delete it from the items array
Jun 19 16:17:00 <sugardave> now, how to determine which one(s) and when....
Jun 19 16:17:04 <sugardave> that's a different matter
Jun 19 16:17:18 <reality9110> That's easy as they are tagged with item="topic"
Jun 19 16:17:24 <reality9110> It's stupid...
Jun 19 16:17:41 <reality9110> They include news topics now but no actual links to those topics
Jun 19 16:17:43 <sugardave> so, yeah, when parsing just don't add them  to the items array
Jun 19 16:18:05 <sugardave> or, splice them out of an existingt one before display
Jun 19 16:18:08 <reality9110> Alright.  I think I can do this now that I think of it.
Jun 19 16:23:24 <reality9110> Yeah, this works
Jun 19 16:27:30 <sugardave> awesome
Jun 19 16:49:55 <reality9110> Anybody know how to increase the size of the text field?
Jun 19 16:50:11 <reality9110> For some reason, mine are only half of the screen width
Jun 19 16:52:10 <reality9110> Actually, textfield-group
Jun 19 16:58:41 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Put them in a div with the width you want.
Jun 19 16:59:21 <reality9110> Doesn't work for the actual input length
Jun 19 16:59:36 <reality9110> I've got input defined as 280, but it's only doing about 150
Jun 19 17:12:06 <Roy-Pre101> Ah, you meant max # of characters.
Jun 19 17:13:03 <Roy-Pre101> hum, TextField isn't well defined on webos101.com
Jun 19 17:13:31 <sugardave> that's a shame
Jun 19 17:13:32 <Roy-Pre101> maxLength
Jun 19 17:13:40 <Roy-Pre101> But default is unlimited.
Jun 19 17:13:45 <Roy-Pre101> So... you're having some other problem
Jun 19 17:13:58 <Roy-Pre101> Going to fix that now.
Jun 19 17:19:22 <reality9110> Turned out it was a wrong div.
Jun 19 17:19:29 <reality9110> rogue div rather
Jun 19 17:19:48 <reality9110> Textfield would be a good thing to add to webos101
Jun 19 17:22:42 <Roy-Pre101> It's there, I just finished copying over the full docs
Jun 19 17:22:59 <Roy-Pre101> We had content there, just not the attributes and events
Jun 19 17:23:29 <reality9110> I think the hardest part of all of this is the CSS
Jun 19 17:23:39 <reality9110> So, if you don't have any CSS things there, it might be worth adding
Jun 19 17:30:47 <BigBiff> true dat
Jun 19 17:31:02 <BigBiff> css=much trial/error
Jun 19 17:31:09 <BigBiff> mainly error
Jun 19 18:10:29 * Templarian gets annoyed oh so often by webOS's browser and how many times they cut corners to save time.
Jun 19 20:49:56 <EmmettLollis> hello
Jun 19 20:50:26 <sugardave> hello
Jun 19 20:50:42 <EmmettLollis> how goes it today dave?
Jun 19 20:51:13 <sugardave> pretty good, yourself?
Jun 19 20:52:02 <EmmettLollis> doing alright
Jun 19 20:52:29 <EmmettLollis> watching my app stagnate while i figure out how it's going to work
Jun 19 20:53:13 <sugardave> ah, what kind of app are you working on?
Jun 19 20:53:23 <EmmettLollis> diet/health
Jun 19 20:53:36 <sugardave> is it your first one?
Jun 19 20:53:42 <EmmettLollis> yep
Jun 19 20:53:56 <EmmettLollis> still learning webos so everything i try to do is a challenge
Jun 19 20:54:29 <sugardave> yes, I am familiar with that
Jun 19 20:54:40 <sugardave> I didn't know any js at all and started with Mojo
Jun 19 20:54:47 <sugardave> do you use Ares or straight Mojo?
Jun 19 20:55:12 <EmmettLollis> Ares right now
Jun 19 20:55:16 <sugardave> oh
Jun 19 20:55:25 <sugardave> I only do Mojo'
Jun 19 20:55:35 <EmmettLollis> i like the GUI editer but it makes it hard to apply the samples
Jun 19 20:55:50 <sugardave> but, I'm sure there are some here who know some Ares
Jun 19 20:56:02 <EmmettLollis> sometimes i think it would be easier just to code from scratch
Jun 19 20:56:08 <sugardave> yep
Jun 19 20:56:35 <EmmettLollis> wish there was a gui editer for eclipse
Jun 19 20:58:18 <EmmettLollis> i haven't coded in 2 years so its like i'm starting from scratch almost
Jun 19 21:09:36 <EmmettLollis> after about 5 days of work the only nice thing i can say about my app is that it has a nice looking interface lol
Jun 19 21:10:26 <thynctank> Well that's something!
Jun 19 21:10:36 <thynctank> What are you working on?
Jun 19 21:11:20 <EmmettLollis> well... was going to make a carb tracker.. then it turned into a diet app.. then it became too massive for a first app... now its a scaled down diet app
Jun 19 21:11:40 <dawm> wish i knew c so i could play around with the pdk
Jun 19 21:11:56 <EmmettLollis> i love C/C++
Jun 19 21:11:59 <thynctank> It's not terribly different syntax from js really
Jun 19 21:12:09 <thynctank> Just typed
Jun 19 21:12:22 <dawm> syntax isnt a problem ;p
Jun 19 21:12:34 <EmmettLollis> i used to be really good at making object oriented C++ apps
Jun 19 21:12:47 <EmmettLollis> then i worked for a VB based IT dept
Jun 19 21:12:55 <thynctank> Crap brb
Jun 19 21:13:10 <dawm> the only c ive touched was making a quake3arena mod, and all i did was go in and change some variables and statements to limit the game to only allow 1 weapon
Jun 19 21:13:40 <EmmettLollis> the wait(sp?) group books used to be really good
Jun 19 21:14:39 <EmmettLollis> my first programming book was C programming using Turbo C++
Jun 19 21:14:53 <sugardave> um....Turbo Pascal?
Jun 19 21:15:03 <EmmettLollis> i loved it
Jun 19 21:16:38 <sugardave> EmmettLollis: have you been to webOS101 yet?
Jun 19 21:16:46 <EmmettLollis> sure havent
Jun 19 21:17:02 <sugardave> http://webos101.com
Jun 19 21:17:08 <sugardave> good stuff
Jun 19 21:17:28 <EmmettLollis> there now... thanks for the info
Jun 19 21:17:37 <EmmettLollis> google searches haven't been a big help
Jun 19 21:17:42 <sugardave> hehe
Jun 19 21:18:16 <EmmettLollis> maybe i'll simplify my diet app to a carb tracker and start working on a photography app
Jun 19 21:18:55 <EmmettLollis> i'm too ADD to complete projects :/
Jun 19 21:18:58 <sugardave> so a carb tracker could use either cookie storage or depot/db storage for history....depending on how much data you want to save
Jun 19 21:19:14 <EmmettLollis> yeah, was going to do depot
Jun 19 21:19:30 <sugardave> basically it works like this....work on your app, hit a technical snag, come to the channel and ask your question
Jun 19 21:19:41 <sugardave> usually somebody knows or will help puzzle it out
Jun 19 21:19:50 <EmmettLollis> yeah, i've got a lot of help on here
Jun 19 21:19:55 <sugardave> oh, good
Jun 19 21:20:41 <EmmettLollis> i spent like 2 days trying to figure out how to load a 3rd party database onto the pre as part of the app... then came here and found out it doesn't work like that
Jun 19 21:21:09 <sugardave> yeah, it's unfortunate...but there are ways around it
Jun 19 21:21:29 <EmmettLollis> yeah, like hosting the db remotely and loading it on startup
Jun 19 21:21:35 <sugardave> well, depending on what you have access to...3rd-party stuff is trickier
Jun 19 21:21:41 <sugardave> your own stuff is cake :D
Jun 19 21:22:42 <EmmettLollis> i was going to load up the federal nutrition database to assist with entering data.. it was too much of a headache for starting out
Jun 19 21:23:48 <EmmettLollis> but it would make the difference between a 99 cent app and a $5 app
Jun 19 21:24:27 <sugardave> you mean for a reference db?  "food X has Y carbs" type of information?
Jun 19 21:24:33 <EmmettLollis> yep
Jun 19 21:24:55 <sugardave> oh man, you can probably scrape that from the live DB easy
Jun 19 21:25:07 <EmmettLollis> how so?
Jun 19 21:25:16 <sugardave> I guess it depends, actually
Jun 19 21:25:42 <sugardave> have you looked into the URLs that are supplied by the links on the fed db and/or seen if they might have a web service for the data?
Jun 19 21:26:11 <EmmettLollis> they have a web search feature but i didn't see anything for direct queries
Jun 19 21:26:21 * sugardave is not necessarily 100% sober right now, so keep that in mind.
Jun 19 21:26:27 <EmmettLollis> but you can save the entire db in multi formats
Jun 19 21:26:39 <sugardave> ah, that makes it easy
Jun 19 21:26:39 <EmmettLollis> so i was going to load it up and SQL it
Jun 19 21:26:50 <sugardave> yeah, how big is it?
Jun 19 21:26:59 <EmmettLollis> let me check
Jun 19 21:27:36 <EmmettLollis> the access database is 94mb
Jun 19 21:27:40 <sugardave> whoa
Jun 19 21:27:47 <EmmettLollis> hah yeah
Jun 19 21:27:52 <sugardave> can you make it export to CSV?
Jun 19 21:27:58 <EmmettLollis> yes done that
Jun 19 21:28:03 <sugardave> how big is that?
Jun 19 21:28:20 <EmmettLollis> 30mb
Jun 19 21:28:30 <EmmettLollis> i dont really need all the data though
Jun 19 21:28:32 <sugardave> still huge, but do-able
Jun 19 21:28:48 <EmmettLollis> there is an abbreviated one too
Jun 19 21:28:52 <EmmettLollis> which is only...
Jun 19 21:28:59 <sugardave> yeah, you should whittle it down to just the data you need and see what you've got
Jun 19 21:29:05 <EmmettLollis> 2mb
Jun 19 21:29:13 <sugardave> oh, that's way better
Jun 19 21:29:29 <EmmettLollis> i like it except that it only has short descriptions
Jun 19 21:29:53 <sugardave> you can get the long descriptions "on demand" via Ajax request, mayber
Jun 19 21:29:55 <sugardave> maybe
Jun 19 21:30:38 <EmmettLollis> i would have to do the search on the long desc then reference that to the abbrev
Jun 19 21:31:38 <EmmettLollis> ok, the long description file is a little over 1mb
Jun 19 21:33:01 <EmmettLollis> so search the long description file, then cross reference the abbr file for carb info
Jun 19 21:33:21 <sugardave> a little regexp or other magic and you can add/replace the long description in the abbreviated file
Jun 19 21:34:00 <EmmettLollis> like a quickie C++ app to do it or something?
Jun 19 21:35:05 <EmmettLollis> then the question is how to get it on the pre.. or should i just use a web server for queries?
Jun 19 21:38:09 <sugardave> EmmettLollis: if you can change it into CSV, you can also change them into JSON, so then you'd just include that .json file and have access to all those objects.  On first run, you would copy each object to your depot/db and subsequent runs would call from there
Jun 19 21:38:48 <EmmettLollis> oooh, i like that
Jun 19 21:40:01 <EmmettLollis> i could even just pick out what i wanted when converting it to json to make it smaller
Jun 19 21:41:11 <sugardave> yeah
Jun 19 21:41:14 <sugardave> perfect
Jun 19 21:44:03 <EmmettLollis> eww, i was just looking at the db... they have nutritional info for eating turtle
Jun 19 21:50:28 <EmmettLollis> raw at that
Jun 19 22:47:33 <EmmettLollis> hmm, it seems that since i used vc++ the last time they've completely redone how the language is handled.. grr
Jun 19 22:57:44 <EmmettLollis> hello Templarian
Jun 19 23:17:39 <Templarian> hello EmmettLollis.
Jun 19 23:25:47 <reality9110> I wish it were possible to add our own libraries to the core of the system
Jun 19 23:46:48 <JenP> hi all
Jun 19 23:48:52 <reality9110> Hey Jen
Jun 19 23:51:24 <JenP> hi doc
Jun 19 23:51:32 <reality9110> Hello
Jun 19 23:51:57 <JenP> how's your day going?
Jun 19 23:52:06 <reality9110> Pretty hectic
Jun 19 23:52:18 <JenP> move?
Jun 19 23:52:46 <reality9110> Nope.  When I went down to Moffitt last week, we coudln't come to an agreement
Jun 19 23:53:10 <JenP> oh i'm sorry to hear that
Jun 19 23:53:16 <Amaranth> hmm, I wonder if I can get away with using the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/ from my app without shipping my own copy
Jun 19 23:53:29 <Amaranth> That's like 5MB of stuff
Jun 19 23:53:37 <reality9110> Apparently they didn't understand me when I said, "I'm very good at what I do.  But I don't work for free."
Jun 19 23:53:37 <Amaranth> s/stuff/fonts/
Jun 19 23:54:17 <JenP> yeah most people don't understand that
Jun 19 23:54:35 <Amaranth> http://clientsfromhell.net/
Jun 19 23:54:40 <Amaranth> post it on there :)
Jun 19 23:55:21 <reality9110> It was mainly a lab space thing
Jun 19 23:55:33 <reality9110> They were going to give me three lab bays
Jun 19 23:55:42 <reality9110> Right now, I have 8
Jun 19 23:56:27 <JenP> yeah that's quite the cut in space
Jun 19 23:57:00 <reality9110> And they said I had to "report to the director of blah blah."  I said, "I'm sorry.  I don't report to anybody."
Jun 19 23:58:40 <Amaranth> Err, wow
Jun 19 23:58:41 <JenP> so are you staying put then?
Jun 19 23:58:55 <reality9110> For the time being, yes
Jun 19 23:58:57 <Amaranth> You were trying to get a job where you don't have a boss but they give you money?
Jun 19 23:58:59 * Amaranth is confused
Jun 19 23:59:25 <JenP> well Doc I think we're better off having you work the cdc stuff
Jun 19 23:59:40 <JenP> that way you can tell what shots to get next
Jun 19 23:59:48 <reality9110> I will admit.  It is fun.
Jun 20 00:00:11 <reality9110> It's fun to go around to talk to local high schools as well.
Jun 20 00:00:58 <reality9110> Scare the heck out of the youths of today
Jun 20 00:01:11 <JenP> ya i think it's fate...you need to stay
Jun 20 00:01:34 <reality9110> Naw.  I really need to get some place warmer and by the water
Jun 20 00:02:06 <JenP> san diego....that's all i'm saying
Jun 20 00:02:31 <reality9110> There's no way I could afford to buy a place as big as I want on the beach there
Jun 20 00:03:07 <JenP> nodnod
Jun 20 00:03:43 <reality9110> Well.  I could.  But, I'd basically be using too large a chunk of my retirement funds
Jun 20 00:13:23 <JenP> what's the best way to close a card so you can return to the previous scene?
Jun 20 00:13:45 <JenP> i guess i want to replicate the "back swipe"
Jun 20 00:13:49 <dawm> popScene
Jun 20 00:13:59 <dawm> removes current scene from the stack
Jun 20 00:14:00 <JenP> ah thank you
Jun 20 00:26:10 <dawm> i have no idea what im doing, but atleast im doing it on the emulator :P
Jun 20 00:28:38 <BigBiff> sounds fun
Jun 20 00:30:14 <BigBiff> I broke an app the other day simply trying to format some strings
Jun 20 00:30:36 <BigBiff> put it into some infinite loop
Jun 20 00:30:59 <BigBiff> I think it's still running...
Jun 20 00:31:35 <BigBiff> you may have noticed ur lights flickering
Jun 20 00:31:41 <BigBiff> that was me
Jun 20 00:37:44 <dawm> damn it requires OpenGL not OpenGL ES ;{
Jun 20 00:47:08 <Amaranth> dawm: What does? It's usually easy to port
Jun 20 01:41:02 <EmmettLollis> hello all
Jun 20 01:53:37 <EmmettLollis> can't i just make an app with a nice looking interface and forget the rest of the coding?
Jun 20 02:32:36 <sugardave> whoa, admob sdk sucks
Jun 20 02:32:53 <sugardave> reality9110: you and I had better a year ago :P
Jun 20 02:38:21 <dawm> lol
Jun 20 02:39:55 <dawm> i have a feeling everything ive done in the last few hours was a waste ;|
Jun 20 02:42:39 <BigBiff> wow - I can't believe I haven't seen this guys prototype hints until now (its 5 years old)
Jun 20 02:43:02 <BigBiff> hints = definitions
Jun 20 02:43:20 <BigBiff> I'm sucha complete noob
Jun 20 02:46:23 <dawm> all i wanna do is see if this friggen thing will compile and to do so i have to compile all this other shit .. hopefully this is the last thing im missing..
Jun 20 02:46:54 <dawm> im so glad im doing this on the emulator and not my phone cause its seriously gonna need a wipe
Jun 20 02:49:28 * pandora-- waves
Jun 20 02:49:48 <pandora--> hows saturday treating everyone?
Jun 20 02:50:21 <oddalot> ok
Jun 20 02:54:09 <BigBiff> phil m is having a bad day :(
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