**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 22 02:59:56 2010
Jun 22 03:00:26 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 22 03:15:06 <sugardave> dawm: if you see this .style.visibility = 'hidden' and then to 'visible' works
Jun 22 03:15:14 <sugardave> that's a damn weird bug
Jun 22 03:19:00 <haeffb> JenP: I do not know what is happening...
Jun 22 03:19:20 <JenP> it's ok haeffb...i've probably got convoluted code
Jun 22 03:20:07 <Tibfib> does the jdfsoftware guy hang out in here?
Jun 22 03:20:57 <Tibfib> I'm considering making a public database that lists apps and their current version...
Jun 22 03:21:24 <Tibfib> which would be great for the puchk thing
Jun 22 03:22:25 <Tibfib> Would anyone use this?
Jun 22 03:23:59 <Tibfib> guess not... I'm going to make the script for my apps, but I might as well include all the other apps with it
Jun 22 03:27:23 <haeffb> JenP: http://pastebin.com/L86b6akZ
Jun 22 03:27:27 <haeffb> not sure what to make of this.
Jun 22 03:27:41 <haeffb> top stuff is from my app, bottom is from yours
Jun 22 03:27:57 <JenP> woah
Jun 22 03:28:08 <haeffb> the difference is your MenuModel is getting a "localized" property added in, where mine is not.
Jun 22 03:28:22 <JenP> weird
Jun 22 03:28:37 <JenP> really weird
Jun 22 03:29:14 <haeffb> ok, wait.
Jun 22 03:29:22 <haeffb> checkEnabled
Jun 22 03:30:11 <JenP> so it's palm's code that's localizing it?
Jun 22 03:38:56 <haeffb> JenP: if I move your MenuAttr and MenuModel definitions to the backgrounds scene assistant, the menu works in that scene.
Jun 22 03:39:20 <JenP> ok i'll do that, thanks
Jun 22 03:39:28 <haeffb> something is causing App.MenuModel to be corrupted after it's defined in app assistant. don't know what
Jun 22 03:40:15 <JenP> smiles...me neither
Jun 22 03:40:52 * haeffb wonders if App.enabled conflicts with something in webOS framework... ?
Jun 22 03:41:20 <JenP> you think so?
Jun 22 03:41:28 <haeffb> or if it's passing the appAssistant to other scenes.... ?
Jun 22 03:41:37 <haeffb> more likely the latter.
Jun 22 03:41:55 <haeffb> maybe.
Jun 22 03:41:57 <haeffb> I dunno.
Jun 22 03:42:08 <JenP> smiles
Jun 22 04:22:05 <Roy-Pre101> OK, this is freaky...
Jun 22 04:22:21 <Roy-Pre101> My ajax request on the emulator is returning a 404 error... along with the information requested.
Jun 22 04:22:28 <sugardave> woohoo!
Jun 22 04:22:40 <sugardave> somebody being hilarious?
Jun 22 04:24:32 <Roy-Pre101> This is making testing a bit difficult.
Jun 22 04:50:25 <torchie> !!!!
Jun 22 04:50:29 <torchie> music player remix is awesome
Jun 22 04:57:36 <Tibfib> okay, need some ui help... What color could I use for a third chat bubble? http://tibfib.com/apps/mojomessenger/screenshot3.PNG
Jun 22 04:58:46 <Roy-Pre101> hot pink!
Jun 22 05:01:12 <Tibfib> Not that a hot pink wouldn't work well... but what about a green to match the contacts page: http://tibfib.com/apps/mojomessenger/screenshot4.PNG
Jun 22 05:02:09 <Tibfib> doh... I don't want my app to have a 3 color theme.... :/
Jun 22 06:40:39 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 22 06:59:48 <EmmettLollis> hi swiss
Jun 22 06:59:57 <EmmettLollis> 2am here
Jun 22 07:04:21 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 22 08:29:22 <DaveSoft> Anyone alive? :)
Jun 22 08:29:43 <DaveSoft> I have a question if anyone is awake and willing...
Jun 22 08:31:03 <DaveSoft> ah, to the forums I will go :)
Jun 22 08:31:23 <thomaschaaf> me
Jun 22 08:31:34 <thomaschaaf> DaveSoft: ?
Jun 22 08:31:51 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 22 08:31:51 <DaveSoft> aha, hi :)
Jun 22 08:31:57 <DaveSoft> here's my question:
Jun 22 08:32:34 <DaveSoft> I am trying to access the .style.left property of an element in my scene.html file, but it shows it is undefined... is this by design?
Jun 22 08:33:01 <DaveSoft> if you want a little code I can paste it in too
Jun 22 08:33:50 <thomaschaaf> yep please
Jun 22 08:34:03 <thomaschaaf> have you tried using the inspector?
Jun 22 08:34:03 <DaveSoft> ok, this is the pertinent line in my .html:<div style='position: absolute; left: 240px; top: 0px; color: lightgreen;' id='cashContainer'>Cash: $<b id='cash'>0</b></div>
Jun 22 08:34:19 <DaveSoft> I haven't...
Jun 22 08:34:29 <DaveSoft> I haven't played with it yet, so it didn't occur to me to try :)
Jun 22 08:34:29 <thomaschaaf> do that :) and use a css file ;)
Jun 22 08:34:43 <thomaschaaf> that will just get plain ugly
Jun 22 08:35:18 <DaveSoft> I usually start putting the style tags into the css file once I get it all how I like it
Jun 22 08:35:25 <thomaschaaf> k
Jun 22 08:35:33 <DaveSoft> still want to see the code, or should I Just figure out the inspector?
Jun 22 08:42:14 <DaveSoft> ... Inspector isn't helping me solve my problem... it may be something obvious that I'm not catching, would you mind if I pasted a couple more lines?
Jun 22 08:42:23 <swisstomcat> pastie.org
Jun 22 08:42:38 <swisstomcat> it's easier to read that way
Jun 22 08:43:11 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: would you be so kind as to look over my mockups for an app?
Jun 22 08:43:20 <swisstomcat> sure
Jun 22 08:44:43 <swisstomcat> do you want to test my new tuts+ app?
Jun 22 08:46:08 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: sure my mockups will take 5 more minutes for me to polish
Jun 22 08:46:54 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jun 22 08:47:28 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: you work for nettuts?
Jun 22 08:47:31 <thomaschaaf> or just freelancer?
Jun 22 08:47:36 <swisstomcat> neither
Jun 22 08:47:44 <DaveSoft> ok, here come the dumb questions :P... how do you want me to use pastie.org? do you want this... http://pastie.org/1014839   ?
Jun 22 08:47:50 <swisstomcat> yes
Jun 22 08:48:06 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: just wanted to do a little frontend for those sites
Jun 22 08:49:11 <DaveSoft> I made a log entry as well... it shows that left is undefined (but that clientWidth and offsetWidth both have the expected values)
Jun 22 08:50:27 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: ah okay
Jun 22 08:51:11 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: have a few things I'd like to see changed: center text with logo on inital page
Jun 22 08:51:16 <swisstomcat> is this a typo, davesoft? oThis?
Jun 22 08:51:37 <thomaschaaf> then hide "settings" from the menu
Jun 22 08:52:06 <thomaschaaf> why make the list go HUGE when you click on it?
Jun 22 08:52:07 <DaveSoft> oh lol, that was an experiment, it's just 'this' passed from the sub that's calling this one
Jun 22 08:52:42 <DaveSoft> hmmmm, let me make a couple of changes, I'll repaste with more of the code, so that you can see that it's kosher... one moment please (and thanks for the help, too!)
Jun 22 08:52:51 <swisstomcat> don't know why this is happening yet, thomaschaaf (list getting huge)
Jun 22 08:53:17 <thomaschaaf> If I have latest selected don't refresh when I tap latest again to close the list
Jun 22 08:53:37 <thomaschaaf> don't have latest be 15 pixels away from the side
Jun 22 08:54:05 <thomaschaaf> thats all I see wrong
Jun 22 08:54:19 <swisstomcat> not bad for the first version then :)
Jun 22 08:54:44 <swisstomcat> i'll probably add a dedicated refresh button
Jun 22 08:55:44 <swisstomcat> thanks for your feedback
Jun 22 08:56:55 <thomaschaaf> https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/5910/1/expensify?h=d7c355
Jun 22 08:57:38 <thomaschaaf> just noticed that the bar with full and empty is not right with the 34/300 :D
Jun 22 08:58:21 <swisstomcat> shouldn't F be on the right?
Jun 22 08:58:55 <thomaschaaf> I guess
Jun 22 08:59:23 <swisstomcat> to be consistent with automobiles
Jun 22 09:00:01 <thomaschaaf> changed it
Jun 22 09:01:25 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: how do you like it?
Jun 22 09:01:35 <swisstomcat> looks pretty good
Jun 22 09:01:46 <swisstomcat> 1st and 2nd page
Jun 22 09:02:03 <thomaschaaf> I'm thinking about putting notes either at the bottom under add expensen or above add expenses have a drawer
Jun 22 09:02:39 <swisstomcat> under is probably ok
Jun 22 09:02:51 <swisstomcat> shouldn't be the date on top?
Jun 22 09:03:08 <thomaschaaf> no usually you add stuff when you buy it that's my idea
Jun 22 09:03:31 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 22 09:03:33 <thomaschaaf> I want it to default to today
Jun 22 09:03:39 <swisstomcat> makes sense
Jun 22 09:04:04 <warpdesign_> good morning
Jun 22 09:04:11 <swisstomcat> morning warpdesign
Jun 22 09:04:13 <thomaschaaf> warpdesign_: morning :)
Jun 22 09:04:32 <swisstomcat> warpdesign: something to test: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jun 22 09:04:34 <thomaschaaf> warpdesign_: https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/5910/1/expensify?h=d7c355 what do you say? any suggestions on how to change it?
Jun 22 09:06:22 <warpdesign_> nice ;)
Jun 22 09:07:30 <thomaschaaf> warpdesign_: ?
Jun 22 09:07:35 <thomaschaaf> who are you talking with :D
Jun 22 09:07:51 <warpdesign_> thomaschaaf, you ;)
Jun 22 09:08:04 <warpdesign_> I think you should do some real screens to see how it looks like
Jun 22 09:08:22 <swisstomcat> i assume there's no code yet
Jun 22 09:08:27 <thomaschaaf> warpdesign_: I would start programming now
Jun 22 09:08:58 <thomaschaaf> this is the usual way I do it for clients
Jun 22 09:09:12 <thomaschaaf> it helps eliminate every problem
Jun 22 09:09:24 <warpdesign_> good ;)
Jun 22 09:09:57 <thomaschaaf> what should I call the app?
Jun 22 09:10:16 <thomaschaaf> it tracks your expenses
Jun 22 09:10:42 <thomaschaaf> I like the iphones name "Pennies" but will not take it because I think that would be rude
Jun 22 09:11:37 <swisstomcat> expensify
Jun 22 09:12:01 <thomaschaaf> you like the name?
Jun 22 09:12:11 <swisstomcat> seems pretty good
Jun 22 09:12:30 <thomaschaaf> there is an app for the iphone with the same name :(
Jun 22 09:12:51 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 22 09:13:54 <thomaschaaf> https://www.expensify.com/ they actually seem to have a webos app at least from the pictures
Jun 22 09:14:59 <thomaschaaf> I'll just call it moneys
Jun 22 09:15:31 <thomaschaaf> I think the word doesn't exist and that's why I like it :)
Jun 22 09:16:05 <thomaschaaf> or Money, Money, Money
Jun 22 09:16:12 <swisstomcat> too long
Jun 22 09:16:55 <thomaschaaf> Moneys it is. First line of code here I come :)
Jun 22 09:17:08 <thomaschaaf> I love being sick :) I get to do some fun stuff :)
Jun 22 09:17:15 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 22 09:20:34 <DaveSoft> OK - the problem is outlined here: http://pastie.org/1014839 basically, oThis is passed into the function (otherwise none of this works). the .style.left of the cashContainer <div> is showing as undefined in the log entry (shown on the pastie link) the .innerHTML parts all update correctly... I'm kindof at a loss...
Jun 22 09:22:04 <swisstomcat> try this to see if it works: $('cashContainer').style.Left = ....
Jun 22 09:22:21 <thomaschaaf> isn't it left
Jun 22 09:22:24 <thomaschaaf> with small l?
Jun 22 09:22:44 <swisstomcat> yeah, i think s
Jun 22 09:22:45 <swisstomcat> o
Jun 22 09:23:18 <DaveSoft> ok
Jun 22 09:23:33 <swisstomcat> try both things after another, to see which one is the problem
Jun 22 09:26:28 <DaveSoft> hmmm, reports both $('cashContainer').style.left and $('cashContainer').style.Left as undefined
Jun 22 09:27:04 <DaveSoft> hmmm, why would $('cashContainer').clientWidth show 60... wouldn't it be 320?
Jun 22 09:28:23 <thomaschaaf> hmm :( you are not using css the way you should use it I think
Jun 22 09:28:37 <swisstomcat> in the last line, you have oCash.left .. should't that be oCash.style.left?
Jun 22 09:29:01 <DaveSoft> yes it should lol
Jun 22 09:29:03 <DaveSoft> one moment
Jun 22 09:29:36 <swisstomcat> why not, thomaschaaf? isn't inline styling allowed?
Jun 22 09:30:01 <thomaschaaf> why would you want to caluclate styles? why not set margins?
Jun 22 09:30:28 <warpdesign_> inline styling sucks
Jun 22 09:30:28 <warpdesign_> ;)
Jun 22 09:30:38 <DaveSoft> yeah, that's why it was showing as undefined (of course :P )
Jun 22 09:30:46 <DaveSoft> now it's working as I intended
Jun 22 09:30:49 <thomaschaaf> If webos will soon feature a v keyboard all my apps will be really fucked up :(
Jun 22 09:31:35 <DaveSoft> hmmm... using the margin would be much better, though
Jun 22 09:31:51 <DaveSoft> I didn't think of trying that way :) I'm pretty new to javascript and css
Jun 22 09:32:03 <thomaschaaf> DaveSoft: no problem you learn with time
Jun 22 09:32:21 <thomaschaaf> do 10000 hours of something and you are as good as you get - I read that yesterday
Jun 22 09:32:42 <swisstomcat> that's a long time :)
Jun 22 09:33:00 <thomaschaaf> yup
Jun 22 09:33:06 <swisstomcat> i'm having some css problems too .. in govnah
Jun 22 09:33:19 <thomaschaaf> what sgovnah?
Jun 22 09:33:35 <swisstomcat> a frontend to control the cpu governors
Jun 22 09:34:03 <thomaschaaf> I'm pissed yesterday my gf broke my glasses.. now I am sitting in front of the pc squinting :(
Jun 22 09:34:03 <swisstomcat> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Govnah
Jun 22 09:34:53 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: pretty
Jun 22 09:35:04 <DaveSoft> thomaschaaf: you just need to hook your computer up to a decent hdtv and set it on your desk about two feet from your keyboard...
Jun 22 09:35:26 <swisstomcat> i run my pre at 720mhz when the screen is on, and at 250mhz when the screen is off
Jun 22 09:35:39 <thomaschaaf> DaveSoft: I have 3 monitors.. with 24"
Jun 22 09:35:56 <DaveSoft> I got lasik surgery about 4 years ago, the surgeon sucked and my lawyer messed up the lawsuit, so I'm waiting til I payoff the first loan to go someone who knows what they are doing
Jun 22 09:36:16 <thomaschaaf> DaveSoft: wow
Jun 22 09:36:30 <thomaschaaf> starting to feel hungry :)
Jun 22 09:54:09 <DaveSoft> hmmmm, margin-left and margin-right aren't working as I intended... can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? the three spans (exp, score, and cash) are center-aligned on one line: http://pastie.org/pastes/1014897
Jun 22 09:56:38 <DaveSoft> (instead of exp on the left, score in center and cash on the right)
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 22 10:15:29 2010
Jun 22 11:02:51 <swisstomcat> yay, new app submitted as beta :)
Jun 22 11:24:24 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: did you fix the bugs?
Jun 22 11:24:46 <swisstomcat> in the next version, yes
Jun 22 11:24:58 <swisstomcat> the beta will see frequent updates
Jun 22 11:25:41 <thomaschaaf> I hate the dev center palm provides..
Jun 22 11:26:30 <thomaschaaf> I wounder what would happen if I'd make some awesome mockups of how it should be
Jun 22 11:27:10 <thomaschaaf> I love that you can't access the dev center from the pre's browser
Jun 22 11:36:43 <swisstomcat> i hope that they will redesign it at some point
Jun 22 11:55:13 <thomaschaaf> the page is so incredibly slow..
Jun 22 11:55:23 <HotDP> Hello
Jun 22 11:55:35 <thomaschaaf> HotDP: hey
Jun 22 12:00:03 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
Jun 22 12:00:49 <HotDP> i see a moo update swisstomcat :P
Jun 22 12:00:55 <haeffb> thomaschaaf: I like Moneys mockup. Need to add a "quick list" for things I purchase every day. (i.e. my morning cappucino)
Jun 22 12:01:26 <swisstomcat> hotdp: a new splashpage
Jun 22 12:01:44 <HotDP> "all thoose updates with little content, take to long to download"
Jun 22 12:01:49 <HotDP> ;)
Jun 22 12:01:51 <swisstomcat> yeah, yeah :)
Jun 22 12:02:05 <swisstomcat> next thing is to add more animals
Jun 22 12:02:15 <swisstomcat> nr.1 requested feature
Jun 22 12:02:16 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: I will think about it :) If I create a paid and a free app that do exactly the same things do you guys think people will buy the paid app?
Jun 22 12:02:18 <haeffb> too bad you can't download updates in the background.
Jun 22 12:02:33 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: why would they?
Jun 22 12:02:45 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: limit the number of entries in the free app
Jun 22 12:02:52 <thomaschaaf> hmm :(
Jun 22 12:02:58 * haeffb has free app in homebrew & paid app in catalog.
Jun 22 12:03:14 <swisstomcat> haeffb: i'll look at done now
Jun 22 12:03:28 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: you wrote done!?
Jun 22 12:03:37 <haeffb> cool. I'll go get coffe while I wait.
Jun 22 12:03:42 <haeffb> thomaschaaf: yes
Jun 22 12:04:25 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: what would you pay for moneys? I'm thinking 2 USD / 1,23€
Jun 22 12:04:43 <swisstomcat> finish the app first and put it out as beta :)
Jun 22 12:04:52 <swisstomcat> then we decide how much it's worth
Jun 22 12:05:24 <thomaschaaf> okay :) maybe I'll put ads for my own products in it between entries in the free version
Jun 22 12:05:34 * haeffb is fighting the battle against $0.99 apps.
Jun 22 12:05:59 <haeffb> $1.23 and $3.23
Jun 22 12:06:17 <swisstomcat> my app is $1.49
Jun 22 12:07:10 <thomaschaaf> if I'd be able to pay my apps with paypal I'd actually buy apps :(
Jun 22 12:07:11 <haeffb> I chose the .23 because it's not high enough that the user psychologically thinks "$2.00" but it still nets almost 25% more than a $.99 app.
Jun 22 12:07:45 <thomaschaaf> I like 1,23 because it shows simplicity
Jun 22 12:07:47 <haeffb> It "looks like" $1. but it's substantially more... :)
Jun 22 12:07:56 <swisstomcat> good thinking
Jun 22 12:09:02 <thomaschaaf> I made 5 USD with my paid app and 200 USD with my free ad supported one.. it makes no sense for me to have the paid app out
Jun 22 12:09:14 <thomaschaaf> I just noticed..
Jun 22 12:09:15 <swisstomcat> which app?
Jun 22 12:09:38 <thomaschaaf> Pi Master Pro
Jun 22 12:09:52 <swisstomcat> maybe the market is too small for this type of app?
Jun 22 12:10:05 <thomaschaaf> yep it deffo is
Jun 22 12:10:27 <thomaschaaf> and I wrote it poorly so now I have 5 versions of basically the same app :(
Jun 22 12:10:52 <swisstomcat> haeffb: in the app menu: Order Kontexte und Ziele -> Ordner, Kontexte und Ziele or Ordner, Kontexte, Ziele
Jun 22 12:10:55 <haeffb> Moneys will be a hit, if done well. You need to look at the competition and be better.
Jun 22 12:11:23 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-06-22_1410.png should have made them all use the same folder and then have a config file now I have non unified versions :(
Jun 22 12:12:11 <haeffb> Ordner Kontexte und Ziele
Jun 22 12:12:35 <swisstomcat> don't like it
Jun 22 12:12:56 <haeffb> "You MUST have ze COMMAS!!!!"
Jun 22 12:13:03 <haeffb> :)
Jun 22 12:13:06 <swisstomcat> ja
Jun 22 12:13:22 <thomaschaaf> is there a numbers field?
Jun 22 12:13:29 <swisstomcat> integer picker
Jun 22 12:13:39 <thomaschaaf> I need to support 1,99 etc..
Jun 22 12:13:41 <swisstomcat> haeffb: Konfig -> Felder
Jun 22 12:14:16 <swisstomcat> Field Configuration -> angezeigte Felder
Jun 22 12:15:00 <haeffb> some places I have Kein some Keine
Jun 22 12:15:08 <haeffb> ???
Jun 22 12:15:42 <swisstomcat> example?
Jun 22 12:15:52 <haeffb> add task scene
Jun 22 12:15:55 <swisstomcat> kein is for singular, keine for multiple
Jun 22 12:16:00 <haeffb> no reminder, no repeat, etc.
Jun 22 12:16:25 <swisstomcat> keine fälligkeit is female, kein startdatum male
Jun 22 12:16:38 <swisstomcat> german is complicated :)
Jun 22 12:16:45 <thomaschaaf> yep :)
Jun 22 12:17:10 <haeffb> time is female, date is male?
Jun 22 12:17:24 <thomaschaaf> but other languages are even worse the differenciate between one, two, many, male, female, neutral!
Jun 22 12:17:35 <swisstomcat> looks good otherwise, haeffb
Jun 22 12:17:36 <thomaschaaf> date is actually neutral "das"
Jun 22 12:17:56 <swisstomcat> Last Sync: -> Letzte Synchronisation:
Jun 22 12:18:20 <haeffb> too long
Jun 22 12:18:33 <haeffb> Letzte Synch ?
Jun 22 12:18:34 <swisstomcat> Letzte Synch.
Jun 22 12:19:35 <swisstomcat> some of the config descriptions are too long and wrap around .. do you mind that?
Jun 22 12:19:50 <swisstomcat> e.g zukünftige Aufgaben
Jun 22 12:20:24 <haeffb> I would rather they didn't, if they could be shortened...
Jun 22 12:27:00 <Famic_> how can I bind an action to the back gesture ?
Jun 22 12:27:23 <swisstomcat> Zukünft. Aufgaben
Jun 22 12:27:41 <swisstomcat> Abgeschlossene verstecken -> abgeschl. verstecken
Jun 22 12:27:50 <thomaschaaf> I don't get it: Style Matters last entry "Custom CSS Properties"... "(Works only on device and emulator.)" what else is there?
Jun 22 12:28:11 <swisstomcat> Gerät sieht bei Konflikt -> Gerät siegt b. Konflikt
Jun 22 12:28:44 <Famic_> thomaschaaf: ares I suppose
Jun 22 12:29:16 <swisstomcat> Verwendung Ord/Kont -> Ordner/Konten verw.
Jun 22 12:29:38 <swisstomcat> famic: what do you want to do on the back gesture?
Jun 22 12:29:49 <thomaschaaf> wow this app is old it still says rounded corners are unsupported
Jun 22 12:30:13 <Famic_> swisstomcat: some kind of confirm to let the user know he's about to leave the game and his progression
Jun 22 12:30:31 <swisstomcat> why not just save the game state automatically?
Jun 22 12:30:36 <swisstomcat> in that case
Jun 22 12:30:42 <thomaschaaf> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1859&Itemid=248#.back
Jun 22 12:31:13 <thomaschaaf> Famic_: like it?
Jun 22 12:31:45 <Famic_> thomaschaaf: looks good ty
Jun 22 12:32:41 <HotDP> thomaschaaf , what do you use for you ad's ?
Jun 22 12:32:57 <thomaschaaf> thomaschaaf: admob
Jun 22 12:33:16 <thomaschaaf> woops HotDP admob
Jun 22 12:33:25 <HotDP> :)
Jun 22 12:33:26 <HotDP> thanks
Jun 22 12:33:33 <HotDP> how many download for 200 bugs?
Jun 22 12:33:54 <thomaschaaf> http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/de.komola.pi/
Jun 22 12:34:58 <HotDP> where can i see haow many downloads?
Jun 22 12:35:05 <thomaschaaf> 18000
Jun 22 12:35:10 <haeffb> still too long: Ordner/Konten verw.  Gerät siegt b. Konflikt  abgeschl. verstecken
Jun 22 12:35:32 <thomaschaaf> I make 1 USD a day since I stopped updating
Jun 22 12:35:46 <thomaschaaf> with updates I'd make around 10 a day
Jun 22 12:36:03 <thomaschaaf> by updates I mean fixing little bitty things
Jun 22 12:36:53 <swisstomcat> haeffb: aargh
Jun 22 12:38:05 <haeffb> don't worry...it's close enough.
Jun 22 12:38:39 <swisstomcat> Gerät siegt b. Konfl.
Jun 22 12:38:44 <thomaschaaf> is there no € sign on the pre?!
Jun 22 12:38:53 <swisstomcat> abgeschl. versteck.
Jun 22 12:39:18 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: above the H
Jun 22 12:39:42 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: oh no my mistake.. I didn't encode in UTF8
Jun 22 12:41:24 <haeffb> yay! those work!
Jun 22 12:42:07 <swisstomcat> Ordner/Konten anz.
Jun 22 12:43:52 <haeffb> brilliant! Let's ship it!
Jun 22 12:44:02 <swisstomcat> yay
Jun 22 12:46:21 <thomaschaaf> is anyone making a living of webos apps?
Jun 22 12:46:49 <haeffb> not I
Jun 22 12:50:47 <Famic_> is there a way to have a confirm() box ?
Jun 22 12:53:15 <swisstomcat> you can have dialogs
Jun 22 12:53:24 <swisstomcat> showAlertBox
Jun 22 12:53:28 <swisstomcat> sorry
Jun 22 12:53:30 <swisstomcat> showAlertDialog
Jun 22 12:56:54 <haeffb> Done! v 0.3.0 "ready for review"
Jun 22 12:57:53 <swisstomcat> congrats
Jun 22 12:59:29 <haeffb> now what should I work on ?
Jun 22 12:59:53 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: how much time do you have?
Jun 22 12:59:59 <swisstomcat> use appideabox
Jun 22 13:00:16 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: please rewrite the clock app
Jun 22 13:00:32 <haeffb> I have some other features to add to Done! yet: ...saved searches, subtask support...
Jun 22 13:00:35 <thomaschaaf> I have to wake up on mon, tue and fri at 7 and not every week day..
Jun 22 13:01:00 <BigBiff> haeffb: some generic code
Jun 22 13:01:19 <BigBiff> radial scroller, horiz list :)
Jun 22 13:01:31 <haeffb> radial scroller?
Jun 22 13:01:51 <BigBiff> draggable compass type dial
Jun 22 13:01:57 <BigBiff> (ipod)
Jun 22 13:02:22 <haeffb> I think I will go outside and play for awhile
Jun 22 13:02:43 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: out what?!
Jun 22 13:02:48 <BigBiff> nah, too hot
Jun 22 13:02:55 <thomaschaaf> you mean you are going to go and reset your router to come back?
Jun 22 13:04:03 <haeffb> thomaschaaf: why not just modify Palm's app to suit yourself... ?
Jun 22 13:04:20 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: cuz I am working on another app right now
Jun 22 13:04:29 <thomaschaaf> and thats what I wanted to do
Jun 22 13:04:33 <thomaschaaf> extend it
Jun 22 13:05:02 <thomaschaaf> but actually I have lots of work to do but I am sick so I am programming some fun stuff instead
Jun 22 13:05:40 <thomaschaaf> I hate doing nothing and sitting in bed :(
Jun 22 13:06:36 <BigBiff> I don't have a comp right now :(
Jun 22 13:07:20 <thomaschaaf> where is a list of all Mojo.Menu.commandMenu icons?
Jun 22 13:07:35 <BigBiff> hp gonna replace my mother board hopefully, unless they say it's my fault
Jun 22 13:07:55 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: they're in the SDK
Jun 22 13:09:23 <swisstomcat> /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/refcode/framework/338/images
Jun 22 13:09:58 <BigBiff> global-menus.css
Jun 22 13:10:50 <thomaschaaf> thanks a lot
Jun 22 13:20:43 <HattCzech_away> morning
Jun 22 13:21:17 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 22 13:22:02 <Famic_> is there a way to detect when we're leaving the viewport ? I'm using drag'n'drop and if I leave screen while dragging I get a bug
Jun 22 13:22:55 <Famic_> this mostly happens on the top bar or the round corners
Jun 22 13:23:10 <Famic_> but I suppose a notification would do the same
Jun 22 13:26:24 <thomaschaaf> all Mojo.Transitions on swapScene look the same
Jun 22 13:26:44 <thomaschaaf> am I doing soemthing wrong?
Jun 22 13:26:49 <thomaschaaf> Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene({ 					name: 'expenses', 					transition: 'Mojo.Transition.zoomFade' 				} 				);
Jun 22 13:28:45 <HattCzech_work> i doubt you need to put Mojo.Transition.zoomFade in quotes
Jun 22 13:28:50 <HattCzech_work> just a thought
Jun 22 13:32:23 <thomaschaaf> HattCzech_work: dumb error :d
Jun 22 13:32:42 <HattCzech_work> was that the problem?
Jun 22 13:33:34 <thomaschaaf> yup
Jun 22 13:33:40 <HattCzech_work> okay, cool
Jun 22 13:34:18 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=7735
Jun 22 13:34:22 <swisstomcat> any advice?
Jun 22 13:35:55 <thomaschaaf> I started my company in germany with 14 :( sorry
Jun 22 13:36:14 <thomaschaaf> I could hire him and then more or less give him the money
Jun 22 13:36:54 <thomaschaaf> well but he could just open up his own firm with 16 it is fairly easy
Jun 22 13:37:14 <swisstomcat> are you going to write an answer to him?
Jun 22 13:39:27 <HattCzech_work> urg... anyone dealt with app rejection and then updating?
Jun 22 13:39:41 <HattCzech_work> oh, swisstomcat, what did you do last week with your update?
Jun 22 13:39:52 <HattCzech_work> did you have to increase the version number?
Jun 22 13:41:18 <swisstomcat> yeah :(
Jun 22 13:41:31 <swisstomcat> i submitted 1.0.8 with an error
Jun 22 13:41:51 <swisstomcat> had to submit 1.0.9 with the bugfix
Jun 22 13:43:40 <swisstomcat> bbl, need to run some errands
Jun 22 13:47:39 <thomaschaaf> okay I need to get my glasses fixed I can't concentrate with contacts :/ I wrote 50 lines of code.. which would have taken like 2 minutes in normal conditions
Jun 22 13:53:43 <Famic_> how can I detect if the user has a Pre or a Pixi ?
Jun 22 13:55:49 <HattCzech_work> good question... there should be a way, but i don't know how
Jun 22 13:56:06 <HattCzech_work> sugardave might if he's around... i know he was going to play with that
Jun 22 14:09:09 <thomaschaaf> Famic_: you want to include different css classes or what?
Jun 22 14:10:32 <thomaschaaf> oh well I'm off
Jun 22 14:30:34 <BigBiff> some of these forum posts are kinda funny
Jun 22 14:54:38 <JenP> hi all
Jun 22 14:56:51 <HattCzech_work> hello
Jun 22 14:57:05 * JenP waves
Jun 22 14:57:41 <sugardave> Famic_: easy-peasy - http://webos101.com/DeviceInfo
Jun 22 14:58:01 <sugardave> I use modelNameAscii or screenHeight
Jun 22 14:59:17 <Famic_> sugardave: is screenHeight a constant or only reflects the available viewport ?
Jun 22 14:59:28 <sugardave> pretty sure that's constant
Jun 22 14:59:44 <sugardave> I only use that one if I'm on the emulator
Jun 22 14:59:54 <sugardave> since it returns 'Device' with the other property
Jun 22 15:01:07 <Famic_> thks
Jun 22 15:01:14 <sugardave> np
Jun 22 15:30:44 <sugardave> file i/o is damn frustrating...if we can download a file and keep track of its ticket number so that we can delete it later....why can we not also be able to MOVE that file to some other location under /media/internal
Jun 22 15:30:48 <sugardave> it makes no sense
Jun 22 15:41:32 <HattCzech_work> hey chuqui!
Jun 22 15:41:41 <chuqui> good morbning!
Jun 22 15:41:49 <HattCzech_work> is it possible to submit a rejected app using the same appid?
Jun 22 15:42:01 <HattCzech_work> (i sent an e-mail yesterday)
Jun 22 15:42:25 <JenP> morning chuqui
Jun 22 15:42:26 <HattCzech_work> because i'd really like to not increase my version numbers
Jun 22 15:43:05 <chuqui> nope. you have to increase your version number. sorry.
Jun 22 15:43:11 <HattCzech_work> dangit... okay
Jun 22 15:44:37 <lyht> Does anyone know if PDK apps have access to the full media/interal file system?
Jun 22 15:52:28 <sugardave> chuqui: downloadmanager is pissing me off....I can delete files but I cannot move them.
Jun 22 15:52:33 <sugardave> zero sense this makes
Jun 22 15:52:48 <sugardave> lyht: I would guess so
Jun 22 15:53:44 <chuqui> (this is not the chuqui you're looking for....)
Jun 22 15:53:47 <chuqui> (hides behind bush)
Jun 22 15:54:43 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: told ya so! :P
Jun 22 15:56:19 <HattCzech_work> ...?
Jun 22 15:56:47 <sugardave> have to rev your app version
Jun 22 15:57:33 <JenP> is there a way to keep the pre powered on when pluged in?
Jun 22 15:58:14 <HattCzech_work> yeah, which is unfortunate
Jun 22 15:58:17 <lyht> Jen, yes. But I will have to go look for it.
Jun 22 15:58:35 <JenP> thanks, i thought there was a patch at one point
Jun 22 16:02:39 <JenP> found it
Jun 22 16:02:47 <JenP> "No Autooff while charging"
Jun 22 16:21:35 <JenP> this is so weird. i have a multistage app, and when i try to backswipe out of a card i have to do it twice before it completely moves out
Jun 22 16:26:51 <haeffb> JenP: did you get your menu fixed?
Jun 22 16:27:03 <JenP> sort of
Jun 22 16:27:30 <JenP> i added the menu stuff to the scene but now i get this double population of cards
Jun 22 16:27:39 <JenP> oh wait...
Jun 22 16:27:43 <JenP> i just fixed it
Jun 22 16:28:00 <JenP> haeffb: I guess i need you around so my brain will function...LOL
Jun 22 16:28:49 <haeffb> I have a calming effect...
Jun 22 16:28:58 <JenP> lol
Jun 22 16:35:27 <pandora--> yeahhh I'm $3 from breaking even on Yalm
Jun 22 16:35:41 <JenP> awesome pandora--
Jun 22 16:35:45 <pandora--> almost made back my submission fee
Jun 22 16:35:46 <pandora--> lol
Jun 22 16:35:48 <pandora--> lame
Jun 22 16:36:06 <pandora--> gonna drop the price and see if that helps
Jun 22 16:36:12 <JenP> smiles
Jun 22 16:39:15 <pandora--> ooook 50% of Yalm
Jun 22 16:42:35 <sugardave> pandora--: it's already 50% off....
Jun 22 16:51:08 <maik> haha
Jun 22 16:54:10 <HattCzech_work> true, that whole 50% thing went into effect
Jun 22 16:54:20 <HattCzech_work> so now it's 25% of regular price! :)
Jun 22 16:55:54 <sugardave> so...phone in dev mode...how do I get a shell on it again?  It's been awhile.  Apparently I lack an ssh server, and novaterm -a [wifi address] is not working
Jun 22 16:56:00 <pandora--> sugardave: i know, now it's extra $ off!
Jun 22 16:56:05 <sugardave> heh
Jun 22 16:56:21 <pandora--> sugardave: novaterm
Jun 22 16:56:37 <sugardave> novaterm -a [address] should be sufficient?
Jun 22 16:56:46 <pandora--> just novaterm
Jun 22 16:56:54 <pandora--> usually resolves without any flags
Jun 22 16:56:59 <sugardave> that's not going to the emu?
Jun 22 16:57:20 <pandora--> if you have the emu and the phone plugged in at the same time, you'll have to have arguments
Jun 22 16:57:21 <sugardave> ah, it sees both
Jun 22 16:57:23 <sugardave> I think I got it
Jun 22 16:57:28 <pandora--> if only one or the other is on, no flags
Jun 22 16:57:37 <sugardave> novaterm -d usb
Jun 22 16:57:39 <sugardave> should do it
Jun 22 16:57:59 <sugardave> crap...unable to find device (but it just listed them, so wtf?)
Jun 22 16:58:22 <JenP> i always have to restart my pc when that happens
Jun 22 16:58:58 <sugardave> interestinglyh enough, usb defaults to first in list, so just novaterm works
Jun 22 16:59:07 <sugardave> buty "can't find device" if specifying usb
Jun 22 16:59:08 <sugardave> weird
Jun 22 17:18:10 <sugardave> and that's when we decided that BigBiff is a nutjob
Jun 22 17:18:14 <sugardave> oh, hi!
Jun 22 17:19:25 <hemna> http://www.google.com/sky/skymap/
Jun 22 17:19:33 <hemna> anything like that for WebOS ?
Jun 22 17:19:53 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 22 17:20:02 <BigBiff> ur not far off there
Jun 22 17:20:06 <HattCzech_work> hemna: please make it happen ;)
Jun 22 17:20:33 <hemna> if it were OSS, then we could port it
Jun 22 17:20:55 <HattCzech_work> true
Jun 22 17:20:55 <BigBiff> that has to be a massive app
Jun 22 17:21:16 <hemna> they might oss it
Jun 22 17:21:24 <hemna> faq kinda leans that way
Jun 22 17:23:34 <BigBiff> crazy that the android skymap app is much cooler than normal google sky
Jun 22 17:24:05 <BigBiff> well, you know what I mean
Jun 22 17:24:45 <BigBiff> comp vs phone I should say
Jun 22 17:26:21 <BigBiff> I wonder if new windows mobiles will have virtual telescope
Jun 22 17:27:16 <hemna> yah
Jun 22 18:13:20 <torchie> can't play sounds while on a call?
Jun 22 18:19:57 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jun 22 18:33:29 <Tibfib> shucks... why would something work perfectly on the emu but not on the phone... :/
Jun 22 18:36:46 <Tibfib> OH, I'm sillly.
Jun 22 18:45:56 <HattCzech_work> torchie: you can... what are you trying to do?
Jun 22 18:46:27 <torchie> soundboard
Jun 22 18:46:43 <halfhalo_class> I have pb&j samwiches
Jun 22 18:48:31 <HattCzech_work> torchie: i play sounds using the notification method and it works while you're in a call
Jun 22 18:48:43 <torchie> notification method?
Jun 22 18:49:34 <HattCzech_work> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().playSoundNotification('notifications', file);
Jun 22 18:49:46 <HattCzech_work> that might be a private method... i'm not sure
Jun 22 18:50:21 <Nyceane> man
Jun 22 18:50:32 <Nyceane> after stopping support my apps, it dropped rank to 221 lol
Jun 22 18:50:41 <Nyceane> =(
Jun 22 18:51:20 <torchie> I was asking from the user side, my bad
Jun 22 18:51:26 <swisstomcat> you stopped supporting it?
Jun 22 18:53:02 <Tibfib> My app is now ~230
Jun 22 18:53:51 <swisstomcat> mine is #90
Jun 22 18:54:18 <Nyceane> i dropped 9 ranks in a week without updates
Jun 22 18:54:19 <Nyceane> lol
Jun 22 18:55:01 <swisstomcat> Try my new App Tuts+, a frontend to Tutsplus.com : http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta
Jun 22 18:55:19 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: if it existed I would ;)
Jun 22 18:55:22 <Nyceane> try my app, just search for playboy =D
Jun 22 18:55:41 <swisstomcat> tibfib: hmm?
Jun 22 18:56:39 <HattCzech_work> Tibfib: how do you know it's ~230?
Jun 22 18:56:56 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: It errors if you click the link
Jun 22 18:57:08 <swisstomcat> :(
Jun 22 18:57:10 <swisstomcat> damn
Jun 22 18:57:52 <Tibfib> HattCzech_work: http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown
Jun 22 18:58:09 <swisstomcat> did they change the links?
Jun 22 18:58:27 <HattCzech_work> MF! 222!!! ARRRRGGGG!!!
Jun 22 18:58:43 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: no... How long has your app been published?
Jun 22 18:58:46 <HattCzech_work> (didn't know you could do that... now i know how close mine is :/)
Jun 22 18:59:05 <Nyceane> 222, 223 have 1000 gap
Jun 22 18:59:10 <swisstomcat> doesn't even work for older ones?
Jun 22 18:59:13 <Nyceane> my other app is 224 but has around 24000 downloads
Jun 22 18:59:23 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=ch.thinmachine.fahrplan.sbb.beta
Jun 22 18:59:28 <Nyceane> almost 3000 gap between 221 and 224
Jun 22 19:00:02 <HattCzech_work> ~365 between 221 and 222 :) FYI
Jun 22 19:00:16 <Nyceane> how do you know?
Jun 22 19:00:22 <HattCzech_work> my app is 222
Jun 22 19:00:35 <Nyceane> more than 365, btw
Jun 22 19:00:40 <HattCzech_work> as of now, i have 27954
Jun 22 19:00:55 <swisstomcat> tibfib: that app a few hours but other apps for longer and that link doesn't work either .. hrmm
Jun 22 19:01:06 <Nyceane> i m not really worried about you HattCzech_work, i m worried about these vuvuzela apps
Jun 22 19:01:15 <codeslaw> hi
Jun 22 19:01:19 <swisstomcat> hey
Jun 22 19:01:21 <Nyceane> they get like 800+ ranks increased everyday
Jun 22 19:01:29 <HattCzech_work> ohhhh, that's not good
Jun 22 19:01:33 <Nyceane> whos 223?
Jun 22 19:01:42 <Nyceane> i am 221 and 224, the 224 one have only around 24000 downloads
Jun 22 19:02:14 <Nyceane> but then again, a lot of low rank apps do not update themselves, with some advertising i should be able to beat them
Jun 22 19:02:38 <Nyceane> wow, almost 3000 difference, 3000 in a week, thats gona be a challenge lol
Jun 22 19:02:49 <HattCzech_work> Nyceane: it looks like those vuvuzela apps aren't close yet
Jun 22 19:03:11 <Nyceane> they get 700 rank increase everyday
Jun 22 19:03:19 <Nyceane> they get like almost 2000 to 3000 dls a day
Jun 22 19:03:34 <HattCzech_work> not according to the fastest movers thing
Jun 22 19:03:35 <codeslaw> mmm i miss the days of explosive early day downloads
Jun 22 19:03:38 <Nyceane> within a week they'd get very dangerous
Jun 22 19:03:38 <HattCzech_work> WEEKLY they get that much
Jun 22 19:03:40 <codeslaw> i need to release a new app
Jun 22 19:03:42 <HattCzech_work> but not daily
Jun 22 19:04:10 <Nyceane> i need 3000 downloads somewhere =D
Jun 22 19:05:32 <HattCzech_work> me too :)
Jun 22 19:05:48 <Nyceane> i think we'll do fine
Jun 22 19:06:13 <Nyceane> stuff like multi message lite and clearcheckbook money managen
Jun 22 19:06:17 <Nyceane> they dont really get downloads
Jun 22 19:06:23 <Nyceane> and stuff like wapedia
Jun 22 19:06:31 <HattCzech_work> i hope i can knock multi message lite outta there :)
Jun 22 19:06:39 <Nyceane> world whirl lite, meuh box
Jun 22 19:06:46 <HattCzech_work> since mine looks nicer ;)
Jun 22 19:06:48 <Nyceane> png clock
Jun 22 19:07:06 <Nyceane> mine is the best, playboy covers! =D
Jun 22 19:07:12 <HattCzech_work> hehe
Jun 22 19:07:15 <swisstomcat> someone post their appid?
Jun 22 19:07:24 <Tibfib> com.tibfib.countdown?
Jun 22 19:07:41 <swisstomcat> try http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown
Jun 22 19:07:44 <swisstomcat> what do you get?
Jun 22 19:07:44 <Nyceane> HattCzech_work, do you have any other apps on there?
Jun 22 19:07:58 <swisstomcat> i get "The application is not currently available.  Please try again later." :(
Jun 22 19:07:59 <HattCzech_work> nope
Jun 22 19:08:10 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: i get the same...
Jun 22 19:08:21 <swisstomcat> something is broken?
Jun 22 19:08:23 <Nyceane> HattCzech_work, what's your app?
Jun 22 19:08:31 <HattCzech_work> TXT group
Jun 22 19:08:50 <HattCzech_work> basically a cleaner version of multi message lite :) (w/o limitations)
Jun 22 19:09:15 <HattCzech_work> and MUCH less ugly
Jun 22 19:09:16 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: it is down...
Jun 22 19:09:27 <swisstomcat> :(
Jun 22 19:09:31 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown which I know for a fact used to work does no longer
Jun 22 19:09:43 <swisstomcat> i just posted to the developer forum
Jun 22 19:10:35 <swisstomcat> tibfib: use http://www.inorbit.ch//upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.0_all.ipk instead
Jun 22 19:10:42 <Nyceane> errr really?
Jun 22 19:10:49 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jun 22 19:10:51 <swisstomcat> sorry
Jun 22 19:10:53 <Nyceane> does th ereal palm work?
Jun 22 19:12:00 <Nyceane> does app catalog work right now?
Jun 22 19:12:09 <codeslaw> its slow as balls
Jun 22 19:12:20 <codeslaw> trying to download hattczechs app
Jun 22 19:13:13 <Nyceane> codeslaw, ever tried my app?
Jun 22 19:13:13 <Nyceane> http://www.palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=com.pascharllc.windowsvista
Jun 22 19:13:16 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: there are a few style issues...Also, could you the story within the app or do you have to load a webpage? If the latter, use a webview widget
Jun 22 19:13:42 <codeslaw> Nyceane: yes i downloaded yours already
Jun 22 19:13:51 <Nyceane> i added ctrl alt delet
Jun 22 19:13:52 <Nyceane> delete
Jun 22 19:13:57 <Nyceane> =D
Jun 22 19:14:00 <codeslaw> haha nice
Jun 22 19:14:06 <Nyceane> i don't know if its updated yet
Jun 22 19:14:14 <swisstomcat> tibfib: i'll probably switch to a webview ... the only style issue i know is that too long titles don't break correctly
Jun 22 19:14:37 <swisstomcat> margin-left doesn't seem to work with a <span>
Jun 22 19:15:10 <codeslaw> Nyceane: your top review: "What did the update do? Just changed the name? When will it work to run Windows programs? I need this app.  Whoever made this, can you get it to work soon?"
Jun 22 19:15:30 <MetaView> Multiline Textfield in a list, anyone know how to set a fixed height?
Jun 22 19:15:48 <codeslaw> fix it man! i want to use windows media player!
Jun 22 19:15:50 <codeslaw> ><
Jun 22 19:16:04 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: when you tap a list item.. it expands crazily
Jun 22 19:16:15 <swisstomcat> yeah, a know problem too :(
Jun 22 19:16:36 <Tibfib> I think you could save some space by putting category and author on same line
Jun 22 19:17:03 <MetaView> Today I had some rejection because of automated app scanning
Jun 22 19:17:11 <MetaView> they found fileMgr-call
Jun 22 19:17:16 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: just do a title truncating-text for the titles... It'll look the best
Jun 22 19:17:20 <swisstomcat> uh, oh
Jun 22 19:17:59 <swisstomcat> good idea, tibfib
Jun 22 19:20:32 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: a visual indicator of loading/refresh would be nice... Otherwise, the app looks good; I'm not experiencing any bugs.
Jun 22 19:20:55 <swisstomcat> yeah, have to activate the spinners that are already builtin
Jun 22 19:21:04 <swisstomcat> tibfib: thanks, it's the first version after a few hours
Jun 22 19:21:43 <MetaView> new app?
Jun 22 19:21:47 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 22 19:21:55 <MetaView> what about?
Jun 22 19:22:00 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jun 22 19:22:09 <swisstomcat> frontend for tutsplus.com
Jun 22 19:22:26 <MetaView> tutsplus? tells me nothing
Jun 22 19:22:38 <swisstomcat> a tutorial site
Jun 22 19:23:00 <swisstomcat> interesting stuff
Jun 22 19:23:40 <MetaView> ok, here something fpor you
Jun 22 19:23:41 <MetaView> http://metaviewsoft.de/UberAppCat/de.metaviewsoft.uberappcat_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jun 22 19:23:49 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw: did you download my app? and if so... thoughts?
Jun 22 19:24:08 <swisstomcat> überappcat?
Jun 22 19:24:20 <MetaView> yes, a new AppCat
Jun 22 19:24:34 <MetaView> in my opinion, better :)
Jun 22 19:24:54 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 22 19:24:55 <halfhalo_class> better than the current app cat or the unreleased one?
Jun 22 19:25:01 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 22 19:25:12 <halfhalo_class> the unreleased one be sexy
Jun 22 19:25:24 <swisstomcat> sexy as the "featured apps" app?
Jun 22 19:25:41 <swisstomcat> überappcat doesn't seem to focus on sexyness ;)
Jun 22 19:25:50 <halfhalo_class> bah
Jun 22 19:26:12 <MetaView> pfff
Jun 22 19:26:19 <MetaView> but on functionality
Jun 22 19:26:35 <halfhalo_class> what has functionality ever gotten people
Jun 22 19:27:00 <swisstomcat> we need both
Jun 22 19:28:02 <swisstomcat> hrmm, text-overflow: ellipsis; doesn't seem to work
Jun 22 19:30:00 <codeslaw> HattCzech_work: just did, trying it out now
Jun 22 19:30:31 <theninjaroach> yellow.
Jun 22 19:30:36 <swisstomcat> hi
Jun 22 19:30:49 <swisstomcat> it's a ninja roach .. everyone hide!
Jun 22 19:31:14 <theninjaroach> yesterday someone was talking to me about using the Ajax request vs. creating and appending <script> elements
Jun 22 19:31:19 <theninjaroach> i can't remember who it was....
Jun 22 19:31:26 <theninjaroach> hey that's not nice!
Jun 22 19:31:44 <swisstomcat> :)
Jun 22 19:31:48 * halfhalo_class is hidden
Jun 22 19:32:02 * HattCzech_work squishes theninjaroach under his shoe
Jun 22 19:32:10 <HattCzech_work> you can all come out now
Jun 22 19:32:17 <codeslaw> HattCzech_work: i like it, simple and effective
Jun 22 19:32:53 <HattCzech_work> thanks, that was the plan
Jun 22 19:33:14 <HattCzech_work> i saw multi message lite and super contacts and didn't like the way they were setup
Jun 22 19:33:31 <codeslaw> havent tried those
Jun 22 19:33:46 <HattCzech_work> tried to make it somewhat resemble the treo messaging app
Jun 22 19:33:57 <HattCzech_work> at least with the quick text stuff that i just added
Jun 22 19:34:11 <HattCzech_work> check it out once the update is through and let me know then
Jun 22 19:34:42 <HattCzech_work> i never tried them, but looked at the screenshots and threw up a little bit in my mouth
Jun 22 19:34:46 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: something for you to look at if you have time: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jun 22 19:34:49 <codeslaw> Robdor: ping
Jun 22 19:35:02 <Robdor> codeslaw: pong
Jun 22 19:35:13 <theninjaroach> so.. i'm including a <script> tag in one of my scenes that defines some variables in the global scope..  ok, it's one variable "a" and i'm having trouble acccessing it from my assistant.  any advice?
Jun 22 19:35:18 <theninjaroach> ("a" is not defined")
Jun 22 19:35:41 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 22 19:35:57 <swisstomcat> never heard of having a <script> tag inside a scene
Jun 22 19:35:58 <codeslaw> Robdor: framebuffer is eating my breakfast.   any idea what causes the INCOMPLETE_ATTACHMENT_OES status when setting one up?
Jun 22 19:36:10 <swisstomcat> why do you do it that way, theninjaroach?
Jun 22 19:36:17 <theninjaroach> well, actually i'm using document.createElement('script')
Jun 22 19:36:26 <swisstomcat> k
Jun 22 19:36:27 <theninjaroach> because someone yesterday claimed it was 30 times faster than using new Ajax()
Jun 22 19:36:45 <theninjaroach> and in disbelief, I set out to prove them wrong but ended up with the same exact results
Jun 22 19:36:46 <swisstomcat> can't you add it to sources.json?
Jun 22 19:37:05 <swisstomcat> or index.html (e.g google maps)
Jun 22 19:37:09 <codeslaw> theninjaroach: i made that claim
Jun 22 19:37:11 <swisstomcat> just curiou
Jun 22 19:37:11 <swisstomcat> s
Jun 22 19:37:24 <theninjaroach> codeslaw.. you were totally right.
Jun 22 19:37:38 <theninjaroach> i refused to believe, so as all good learners learn, i set out to see for myself ;)
Jun 22 19:38:04 <codeslaw> the way i did it was putting a generic script tag in the index.html file, specifying an ID, but no src
Jun 22 19:38:13 <theninjaroach> it was literally a 30:1 difference over a loop of 50 requests
Jun 22 19:38:14 <codeslaw> then setting the src from within the scene assistant
Jun 22 19:38:21 <codeslaw> nice
Jun 22 19:38:25 <Robdor> codeslaw: Are you creating mipmaps for your textures?
Jun 22 19:38:36 <codeslaw> Robdor: nope, i'm in 2D mode
Jun 22 19:38:47 <codeslaw> my setup code is in the forums, not sure if you saw that
Jun 22 19:38:52 <theninjaroach> so i assume your included source has something along the lines of "var a = {json data]" - correct?
Jun 22 19:39:04 <Robdor> codeslaw: I'll go take a look.
Jun 22 19:39:13 <theninjaroach> nope, i don't read there, this irc channel is too nice ;)
Jun 22 19:39:21 <theninjaroach> i will go look though
Jun 22 19:39:26 <codeslaw> theninjaroach: i was talking to rob
Jun 22 19:39:32 <codeslaw> my setup code for the script tag is nowhere
Jun 22 19:39:39 <codeslaw> here's what i did
Jun 22 19:40:08 <codeslaw> in the scene assistant, created a global variable called callBackObject, or hwatever you want
Jun 22 19:40:38 <codeslaw> then, from the setup function (or wherever you call your scripty stuff), set that object = this
Jun 22 19:41:22 <codeslaw> then, my downloaded javascript call would be "callBackObject.callBackFunction( {json data} );"
Jun 22 19:41:32 <theninjaroach> makes perfect sense.
Jun 22 19:41:53 <theninjaroach> i think i caught you were going there when you told me about the global "callBackObject"
Jun 22 19:41:57 <codeslaw> yes
Jun 22 19:42:55 <pivotalcog> Is it just me or is the App Catalog down?
Jun 22 19:43:07 <codeslaw> its downish
Jun 22 19:43:22 <pivotalcog> Is that like .5 in binary?
Jun 22 19:43:32 <pivotalcog> ;)
Jun 22 19:43:51 <sugardave> well, with the benefit of the doubt, let's say .66
Jun 22 19:43:52 <codeslaw> trinary*
Jun 22 19:44:18 <Robdor> codeslaw: Try putting this http://gist.github.com/448956 before glTexImage2D
Jun 22 19:44:32 <pivotalcog> Well, not cool that the catalog is down, but good to know it's not me.
Jun 22 19:44:45 <codeslaw> Robdor: trying now
Jun 22 19:45:15 <theninjaroach> excellent help, codeslaw
Jun 22 19:45:41 <theninjaroach> i'm still a big corn-fused as to why global variables aren't accessible in my scene.. but the callback works perfectly
Jun 22 19:46:03 <codeslaw> it could be an issue of where you set them
Jun 22 19:46:15 <swisstomcat> povotalcog: yes, it's been escalated by chuq
Jun 22 19:46:17 <codeslaw> just remember, there are security implications when downloading executable code
Jun 22 19:46:22 <theninjaroach> oh i know
Jun 22 19:46:51 <swisstomcat> pivotalcog: yes, it's been escalated by chuq
Jun 22 19:47:33 <theninjaroach> well i'm out for the day, thanks again codeslaw
Jun 22 19:47:46 <codeslaw> no prob
Jun 22 19:48:03 <pivotalcog> Thanks everyone re: status of app catalog.
Jun 22 19:50:03 * sugardave has already done the evil test with remotely provided functions saved as local variables.  "Scary stuff."
Jun 22 19:54:32 <fred0r> hi there! can anybody help me with an ajax request? http://pastebin.com/ZUJZLhAi
Jun 22 19:54:37 <swisstomcat> hi
Jun 22 19:55:06 <fred0r> somehow i all the time get the onFailure
Jun 22 19:55:17 <fred0r> s/get/trigger
Jun 22 19:55:45 <sugardave> I didn't know alert worked
Jun 22 19:56:00 <fred0r> it's another function ;)
Jun 22 19:56:21 <fred0r> alert is just a call to this.controller.showAlertDialog
Jun 22 19:56:47 <halfhalo_class> don't you need to to stick it in a function?
Jun 22 19:57:06 <halfhalo_class> ie onuccess: function(){this.alert("YES")),
Jun 22 19:57:16 <fred0r> ah ok, i'll try that
Jun 22 19:57:17 <fred0r> thanks
Jun 22 19:57:57 <sugardave> you shouldn't have to if it's just a function..but, it might work out
Jun 22 19:58:12 <halfhalo_class> I think you do due to this/scope crap
Jun 22 19:58:29 <HattCzech_work> this this: http://pastebin.com/9WPs54Eb
Jun 22 19:58:56 <HattCzech_work> fred0r: try this*
Jun 22 19:59:03 <sugardave> fred0r: this might do it: http://pastebin.com/WqRs3FDd
Jun 22 19:59:07 <sugardave> hehe
Jun 22 19:59:35 <HattCzech_work> the bind will probably be needed as well
Jun 22 20:00:02 <Tibfib> What's the appredirect url?
Jun 22 20:00:03 <sugardave> the only reason I'm not sure about bind is that it runs onFailure and he can see it
Jun 22 20:00:06 <sugardave> but, never hurts
Jun 22 20:00:08 <lyht> Man, Audio gets the better of me 9 times out of 10. I have 12 sounds, and only 3 of them play. But if I rebuild the package, a different set will play. But I can't figure out how to get all of them to play. Anyone experience anything like it?
Jun 22 20:00:24 <Tibfib> nvm
Jun 22 20:00:29 <fred0r> AAAH
Jun 22 20:00:32 <HattCzech_work> i do a bind for the success of mine, but not on the failure
Jun 22 20:00:34 <fred0r> sugardave: that did it
Jun 22 20:00:45 <sugardave> w00t!
Jun 22 20:00:57 <swisstomcat> palmhotapps just got updated
Jun 22 20:01:07 <HattCzech_work> again?
Jun 22 20:01:33 <swisstomcat> lyht: how do you play sounds? got some code?
Jun 22 20:02:55 <lyht> this.sounds["a"] = new Audio(); this.sounds["a"].src = (path to file); this.sounds["a"].load();
Jun 22 20:02:58 <sugardave> fred0r: another handy pattern: http://pastebin.com/6RRSrc0f
Jun 22 20:03:07 <sugardave> similar to what halfhalo_class was saying
Jun 22 20:03:15 <lyht> Then on a specific event, this.sounds["a"].play();
Jun 22 20:03:23 <MetaView> lyht: I had it too, I skipped audio then
Jun 22 20:04:13 <lyht> MetaView: You just dropped any sounds? Figuring it would get better later and you could put it back in?
Jun 22 20:04:32 <fred0r> thanks sugardave
Jun 22 20:04:40 <sugardave> np
Jun 22 20:04:49 <codeslaw> BAH!! so infuriating when i get to the office and realize i forgot to add a file before commiting to my svn repo
Jun 22 20:05:03 <halfhalo_class> lol
Jun 22 20:05:09 <halfhalo_class> remote desktop ftw
Jun 22 20:05:24 <codeslaw> ya..
Jun 22 20:07:06 <fred0r> sugardave: problem is onSuccess is somehow always triggered even if i use https://www. as an url
Jun 22 20:07:10 <swisstomcat> metaview: überappcat is always showing me a spinner, never any results
Jun 22 20:07:47 <MetaView> lyht: yes, just dropped it, sound is just terrible in webos SDK apps
Jun 22 20:07:57 <MetaView> except for the build-in sounds, but they didn't fit
Jun 22 20:08:03 <MetaView> swisstomcat: really?
Jun 22 20:08:03 <fred0r> or even '123'
Jun 22 20:08:15 <codeslaw> audio really is a joke in the sdk
Jun 22 20:08:22 <MetaView> could you try to get some logs? de.metaviewsoft.uberappcat
Jun 22 20:08:27 <swisstomcat> ok
Jun 22 20:08:30 <MetaView> thx
Jun 22 20:08:56 <swisstomcat> error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined, app/assistants/result-list-assistant.js:132
Jun 22 20:09:13 <swisstomcat> that's the only error i see
Jun 22 20:09:16 <sugardave> fred0r: that is a Prototype "feature" I think....there's another step you have to do to check what the status code is....as long as it gets SOME status, it says "SUCCESS!"
Jun 22 20:09:25 <MetaView> you have internet connection?
Jun 22 20:09:32 <swisstomcat> yeah, emulator
Jun 22 20:09:37 <MetaView> weird
Jun 22 20:09:44 <halfhalo_class> ewww
Jun 22 20:09:46 <halfhalo_class> internet
Jun 22 20:09:53 <halfhalo_class> oh, wait....
Jun 22 20:09:56 <fred0r> sugardave: ok... thanks
Jun 22 20:10:26 <swisstomcat> there's a bug in the internet
Jun 22 20:11:15 <swisstomcat> what x-mojo-tap-highlight do you guys use?
Jun 22 20:11:29 <halfhalo_class> The one with the green highlighter
Jun 22 20:11:59 <swisstomcat> immediate makes the selected list element double its size
Jun 22 20:12:03 <swisstomcat> strange
Jun 22 20:14:31 <sugardave> I usually use immediate
Jun 22 20:33:13 <maik> is there any way to change the On/Off text of a Toggle widget?
Jun 22 20:33:29 <maik> or maybe there's a different toggle style widget i should use
Jun 22 20:34:21 <codeslaw> checkbox
Jun 22 20:34:37 <ianbeck> maik: in the attributes object use `trueLabel: "whatever", falseLabel: "something"`
Jun 22 20:34:47 <maik> oh excellent
Jun 22 20:35:06 <maik> oh look, it's right there in the reference library
Jun 22 20:35:08 <maik> nerrr
Jun 22 20:35:23 <ianbeck> :-)
Jun 22 20:36:41 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to link app catalog apps to precentral users?
Jun 22 20:38:21 <HattCzech_work> (aka can i link my app to my profile in precentral?)
Jun 22 20:38:37 <maik> now to center this bad boy
Jun 22 20:38:38 <pivotalcog> Signature line?
Jun 22 20:38:42 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: can we get a developer consensus to ban brighthouse labs?
Jun 22 20:38:59 <chuqui> nope.
Jun 22 20:39:14 <chuqui> they're not breaking any rules.
Jun 22 20:39:26 <halfhalo_class> Lets vote em off the island
Jun 22 20:39:26 <HattCzech_work> well, at the top right of precentral, it has "your apps" and i'd like to see my app catalog app in there
Jun 22 20:39:28 <swisstomcat> hey chuqui
Jun 22 20:39:34 <halfhalo_class> They got sand in my drink
Jun 22 20:39:44 <swisstomcat> hattczech: why ban any developers?
Jun 22 20:39:57 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: i know, which is sad
Jun 22 20:40:17 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: only one, the one that has 250 different pointless apps bloating the catalogh
Jun 22 20:40:21 <HattCzech_work> catalog*
Jun 22 20:40:25 <swisstomcat> is that forbidden?
Jun 22 20:40:27 <pivotalcog> I think Hattczech is referring to their mass update just prior to half-off sale?
Jun 22 20:40:31 <HattCzech_work> sadly, no
Jun 22 20:40:38 <HattCzech_work> which is why they're in the catalog at all :)
Jun 22 20:40:39 <MetaView> UberAppCat will make it easy to exclude devs fro mthe result list
Jun 22 20:40:56 <swisstomcat> let the market decide which developers will survive
Jun 22 20:40:59 <HattCzech_work> MetaView: excellent
Jun 22 20:41:07 <chuqui> do they make money on their apps? if so, what's wrong with it, other than you don't like their business model?
Jun 22 20:41:10 <sugardave> brighthouse took advantage of the free submission days
Jun 22 20:41:14 <chuqui> if they don't make money at it, they won't keep doing it, right?
Jun 22 20:41:17 <sugardave> I really can't fault them for it
Jun 22 20:41:18 <halfhalo_class> Plan b.  It involves fire and crowbars.  I'll drive
Jun 22 20:41:22 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: i don't mind that idea, but when i see 40 app updates and all of them are pointless, it's irritating
Jun 22 20:41:24 <sugardave> but, it does suck
Jun 22 20:41:57 <HattCzech_work> i wouldn't fault them if they were GOOD ideas
Jun 22 20:42:00 <jhojho> chuqui: do you know if the + in the email address breaking web profile login is fixed?
Jun 22 20:42:04 <HattCzech_work> but since they're not, i do fault them :)
Jun 22 20:42:13 <sugardave> they might have saved a lot of karma hate if they'd spaced out their intial submissions a little better
Jun 22 20:42:19 <chuqui> I think the answer is "no" on the profile. sigh.
Jun 22 20:42:28 <jhojho> =(
Jun 22 20:42:41 <chuqui> doesn't affect many people, so hasn't been made a priority.
Jun 22 20:42:48 <jhojho> that makes me sad. i
Jun 22 20:42:48 <jhojho> 
Jun 22 20:42:54 <sugardave> BACK OF THE LINE!
Jun 22 20:42:54 <jhojho> but i understand
Jun 22 20:43:09 <JenP> LOL
Jun 22 20:43:33 <maik> GET A REAL IP ADDRESS!
Jun 22 20:43:36 <maik> er
Jun 22 20:43:39 <maik> s/IP/EMAIL/
Jun 22 20:43:42 <jhojho> ?
Jun 22 20:43:45 <chuqui> I should sit down and do a priority listing of all of the open dev portal bugs and make sure we haven't let an important one slip, but I seem to be spending most of my free time deleting uses of the word "f--k" out of the app reviews.
Jun 22 20:43:45 <maik> i blame the caffeine
Jun 22 20:44:03 <pivotalcog> Wow on the f-bomb in the reviews.
Jun 22 20:44:07 <maik> chuqui: there's no robot for that?
Jun 22 20:44:17 <jhojho> chuq: make a script =) if /f**k/ delete/ban
Jun 22 20:44:18 <chuqui> I hear someone's started doing ascii art of their private parts. I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to seeing those.
Jun 22 20:44:23 <MetaView> how can I force a var to be numeric in JS?
Jun 22 20:44:27 <maik> hahaha
Jun 22 20:44:30 <jhojho> noooooo
Jun 22 20:44:32 <sugardave> chuqui: saw one yesterday
Jun 22 20:44:42 <chuqui> thanks for confirming that, dave. I needed that.
Jun 22 20:44:44 <sugardave> MetaView: add 0 to it
Jun 22 20:44:50 <pivotalcog> WTF is up with people?
Jun 22 20:44:52 <jhojho> i'm think i'm going back to webos-internals , webos is too feisty for me.
Jun 22 20:44:54 <halfhalo_class> Link or gtfo....
Jun 22 20:45:02 <MetaView> I tried (0.49 + rate)
Jun 22 20:45:10 <sugardave> Paintr lite review, check it
Jun 22 20:45:12 <MetaView> which gives me 0.493.4
Jun 22 20:45:45 <sugardave> MetaView: OH, you probably need to multiply by 100 first to get nice whole numbers, add them together, then divide by 100
Jun 22 20:46:00 <MetaView> can't do any float math?
Jun 22 20:46:07 <sugardave> wait, I see now
Jun 22 20:46:07 <MetaView> what a terrible language at all
Jun 22 20:46:10 <sugardave> rate is a string
Jun 22 20:46:14 <MetaView> maybe
Jun 22 20:46:21 <MetaView> but Math.floor() just likes it
Jun 22 20:46:22 <sugardave> do rate + 0 first
Jun 22 20:46:27 <sugardave> then add
Jun 22 20:46:27 <MetaView> ok
Jun 22 20:46:31 <halfhalo_class> awww
Jun 22 20:46:34 <halfhalo_class> can't find it
Jun 22 20:46:53 <sugardave> halfhalo_class: might be gone already
Jun 22 20:46:56 <halfhalo_class> damn them policies and their ruining of my fun
Jun 22 20:47:12 <sugardave> it had racist overtones, f=bombs AND ascii art
Jun 22 20:47:12 <MetaView> sugardave: no help with +0
Jun 22 20:47:26 <MetaView> I don't care about ascii art
Jun 22 20:47:37 <MetaView> but the review was weird in any case
Jun 22 20:47:41 <sugardave> MetaView: hmm, that should force a string to a number according to what I've read
Jun 22 20:47:57 <MetaView> now I try * 1
Jun 22 20:48:10 <MetaView> which works
Jun 22 20:48:19 <sugardave> ah, maybe I mis-remembered :D
Jun 22 20:48:25 <pivotalcog> MetaView: Try  parseFloat('string')
Jun 22 20:48:33 <pivotalcog> http://www.javascripter.net/faq/convert2.htm
Jun 22 20:48:57 <MetaView> no, now it works, I will never touch it again :D
Jun 22 20:49:02 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 22 20:49:15 <pivotalcog> Well, for future reference. I was slow on the draw.
Jun 22 20:49:27 <pivotalcog> I use the heck out of that.
Jun 22 20:50:06 <MetaView> pivotalcog: thx
Jun 22 20:50:34 <pivotalcog> MetaView: Welcome, you are.
Jun 22 20:59:12 <jhojho> http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/JavaScript_Performance_Best_Practices fwiw
Jun 22 20:59:51 <swisstomcat> good night everyone
Jun 22 21:00:49 <maik> hrm... has anyone tried centering a togglebutton?
Jun 22 21:01:03 <maik> class="center" or "middle" doesn't appear to work, though class="left" does.  <center> doesn't work either :(
Jun 22 21:01:08 <maik> night swisstomcat
Jun 22 21:03:19 <hemna> any idea how to change the background color of a scene ?
Jun 22 21:03:31 <hemna> I tried .body { background-color: #ffffff; }  no dice
Jun 22 21:03:54 <maik> i changed it in index.html
Jun 22 21:04:10 <maik> <body style="background-color: black;">
Jun 22 21:06:28 <hemna> ok that worked.  thanks :)
Jun 22 21:07:06 <ianbeck> hemna: you probably need to override body.palm-default or similar
Jun 22 21:07:46 <ianbeck> The inspector would tell you more; not 100% sure that's specific enough
Jun 22 21:08:56 <codeslaw> hemna:
Jun 22 21:08:59 <sugardave> hemna: you can also set it via scene div: #mojo-scene-[sceneName]
Jun 22 21:09:01 <codeslaw> body isnt a class
Jun 22 21:09:12 <codeslaw> .body wont work, its just 'body{} '
Jun 22 21:09:21 <hemna> gay duh
Jun 22 21:09:22 <hemna> :P
Jun 22 21:11:30 <hemna> #mojo-scene-GenerateNumbers {	background-color: red;	}   seems to only color the top portion of the scene
Jun 22 21:11:31 <hemna> odd
Jun 22 21:14:19 <sugardave> hemna: actually, I use the scene-scroller, so it's #mojo-scene-[sceneName]-scene-scroller
Jun 22 21:14:30 <sugardave> won't work if you disable the scene scroller, obviously
Jun 22 21:15:34 <hemna> yup that worked!  thanks
Jun 22 21:15:38 <sugardave> np
Jun 22 21:16:46 <Nyceane> somebody released bunch of quotes
Jun 22 21:16:47 <Nyceane> =_=
Jun 22 21:19:16 <maik> for making an app pixi-friendly is it sufficient to just resize your content to fit the height?
Jun 22 21:20:28 <sugardave> that's what I'm doing
Jun 22 21:20:50 <sugardave> and a bunch of other stuff
Jun 22 21:20:57 <sugardave> re-positioning divs, etc.
Jun 22 21:21:34 <sugardave> MOST of my things are position: fixed or absolute, so I use a lot of bottom and top offsets
Jun 22 21:21:43 <sugardave> makes it easier in most cases
Jun 22 21:22:04 <maik> i'm just using Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.screenHeight
Jun 22 21:23:23 <sugardave> well, I have this popup dialog I have to do, and it wouldn't fit in the right place on the Pixi, so I have 2 places where I add a 'pixi' class to something after I check the screenHeight
Jun 22 21:23:41 <sugardave> otherwise, everything is awesome
Jun 22 21:24:22 <sugardave> my stylesheet, on the other hand, is NOT awesome...quite unwieldy
Jun 22 21:26:29 <maik> do you do div sizing in setup() ?
Jun 22 21:27:06 <wpbrown> Anyone know when Flash will be available for Web OS?
Jun 22 21:27:12 <maik> hopefully never
Jun 22 21:27:26 <sugardave> nope, I have style blocks in the style sheet and then a copy of them with .pixi on the end and when I need to do Pixi crap, I check the screenHeight and add the class name
Jun 22 21:27:27 <wpbrown> I saw where adobe released it today to Palm
Jun 22 21:27:33 <maik> </politicking>
Jun 22 21:27:39 <MetaView> I hope flash comes soon
Jun 22 21:27:40 <wpbrown> lol
Jun 22 21:27:43 <maik> sugardave: gotcha
Jun 22 21:28:04 <maik> sugardave: my interface is super simple so i'm hoping to just set it one time based on screenheight and be done with it
Jun 22 21:28:33 <sugardave> yeah, that will probably work just fine...this popupDialog is the only thing I've really had to do
Jun 22 21:28:45 <sugardave> the other instance is the background of the "splash" screen
Jun 22 21:29:07 <sugardave> client has one for each device, so that's the other check and add class exercise
Jun 22 21:35:46 <maik> mwahaha, i'm so awesome
Jun 22 21:36:10 <maik> is that project going well, btw?
Jun 22 21:36:18 <sugardave> oh yeah?  HOW AWESOME ARE YOU?
Jun 22 21:36:33 <sugardave> swimmingly, I'm almost done with all the major technical pieces
Jun 22 21:36:54 <sugardave> workign on a caching system and need to deal with the whole cancel preview download part
Jun 22 21:37:05 <sugardave> but I have it downloading, playing mp3s, etc.
Jun 22 21:37:23 <sugardave> skeleton system is working...if they'd stop changing the JSON format :D
Jun 22 21:37:37 <sugardave> art placement is good
Jun 22 21:37:52 <sugardave> will probably be done early and then I can test the hell out of it for a few days
Jun 22 21:38:14 <maik> awesome
Jun 22 21:41:45 <sugardave> it would be more awesome if the downloadmanager let us move files around...he has decided that there's no real need for a preview quality and higher quality ringtone, so there's only one copy of the file
Jun 22 21:42:43 <sugardave> so, worst case, someone "previews" a file, it downloads to not the ringtones dir, they decide they want it, it has to download again
Jun 22 21:50:35 <maik> that is kinda lame
Jun 22 21:52:36 <sugardave> yeah, but unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it...since I have the caching system, though, I CAN make it where there won't be 2 copies of the file on the phone
Jun 22 22:08:38 <BigBiff_pre> HattCzech_work: where did you find documentation on digging into the vibrate function?
Jun 22 22:10:30 <BigBiff_pre> I'd like to mess around with custom vibrate rhythms... I'll send it to you if I ever get it figured out and..
Jun 22 22:11:09 <BigBiff_pre> you can add it to txt group (at least a custom version for me )
Jun 22 22:11:17 <BigBiff_pre> :)
Jun 22 22:15:05 <sugardave> weird, admob ad divs display in my emu but not on my phone....
Jun 22 22:15:44 <HattCzech_work> i didn't really find documentation
Jun 22 22:15:49 <HattCzech_work> i just started playing with it :)
Jun 22 22:15:54 <HattCzech_work> one sec...
Jun 22 22:16:29 <HattCzech_work> oh, and he left :/
Jun 22 22:21:41 <sugardave> ummm...is setting system-log-level with palm-log supposed to return or just sit there?
Jun 22 22:24:00 <maik> when was the audio framework officially supported?
Jun 22 22:24:09 <maik> 1.4.0?
Jun 22 22:33:39 <sugardave> I think before that
Jun 22 22:34:14 <sugardave> you mean Audio objects a la HTML5?
Jun 22 22:35:10 <maik> ya
Jun 22 22:35:16 <maik> reference library says 1.4.0
Jun 22 22:35:22 <maik> or rather it changed the way media was handled
Jun 22 22:35:26 <sugardave> that may be when they changed it
Jun 22 22:35:27 <sugardave> yeah
Jun 22 22:35:28 <maik> i'll do 1.4.0 to be safe, everyone should be running that now
Jun 22 22:35:53 <Nyceane> HattCzech_work, are you here?
Jun 22 22:36:00 <Nyceane> i found a solution for those vuvuzela apps
Jun 22 22:39:38 <HattCzech_work> yeah
Jun 22 22:39:45 <HattCzech_work> oh, what's that?
Jun 22 22:40:15 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: just sent you an e-mail... if you could pass that along like you did last time, i'd greatly appreciate it
Jun 22 22:42:10 <PuffTheMagic> is there a way to get a pseudo-random numbers in js
Jun 22 22:42:18 <PuffTheMagic> like, uniformly distributed
Jun 22 22:43:02 <maik> so, the question is, $0.99 or $1.00 ?
Jun 22 22:43:08 <sugardave> $1.43
Jun 22 22:43:29 <pivotalcog> .99
Jun 22 22:43:35 <maik> sugardave: nonsense
Jun 22 22:43:39 <sugardave> nope
Jun 22 22:43:49 <sugardave> 1.43 * .7 = roughly $1
Jun 22 22:43:51 <HattCzech_work> maik: $1.00
Jun 22 22:43:58 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
Jun 22 22:44:14 <maik> so two negating answers and one nonsensical one...
Jun 22 22:44:27 <sugardave> I like easy accounting
Jun 22 22:44:43 <HattCzech_work> maik: sugardave does have a point
Jun 22 22:44:45 <maik> why is that easy accounting?
Jun 22 22:44:45 <pivotalcog> Basic consumer psychology, though.
Jun 22 22:45:07 <HattCzech_work> i HATE the $0.99 thing
Jun 22 22:45:07 <sugardave> look at downloads, extrapolate $1 per, done!
Jun 22 22:45:16 <pivotalcog> .99 is less than a dollar. Something happens in the buyer's head when it goes to $1.00
Jun 22 22:45:16 <HattCzech_work> it's a dollar, so why not sell it at a dollar?
Jun 22 22:45:29 <maik> ^ what pivot said
Jun 22 22:45:49 <sugardave> OMG IT'S LESS THAN $1!!!!
Jun 22 22:45:53 <maik> $0.99 it is then, i won't miss the penny
Jun 22 22:45:56 <sugardave> people are lame
Jun 22 22:45:59 <maik> i still don't understand what sugardave is on about
Jun 22 22:46:08 <pivotalcog> Consumers aren't rational. That has been proven.
Jun 22 22:46:20 <sugardave> you are only going to get 70% of that $0.99
Jun 22 22:46:33 <pivotalcog> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing
Jun 22 22:46:35 <sugardave> at $1.43, I guarantee that I make $1 per download
Jun 22 22:46:48 <pivotalcog> "Psychological pricing or price ending is a marketing  practice based on the theory that certain prices have a psychological impact. The retail prices are often expressed as "odd  prices": a little less than a round number, e.g. $19.99 or $2.98[1]. The theory is  this drives demand greater than would be expected if consumers were perfectly rational. Psychological pricing is one cause  of price points."
Jun 22 22:46:52 <maik> what happens to teh $0.43 ?
Jun 22 22:46:58 <sugardave> Palm
Jun 22 22:47:02 <HattCzech_work> goes to palm
Jun 22 22:47:20 <maik> that's...70%....
Jun 22 22:47:31 <sugardave> you get 70%
Jun 22 22:47:37 <maik> oh hah
Jun 22 22:47:39 <sugardave> they get 30%
Jun 22 22:47:39 <HattCzech_work> palm gets 30%
Jun 22 22:47:45 <maik> ya, i was looking at it backwards
Jun 22 22:47:48 <sugardave> hehe
Jun 22 22:48:24 <sugardave> and $1.43 is LESS THAN $1.50!!!!
Jun 22 22:48:28 <pivotalcog> It is.
Jun 22 22:48:31 <maik> heh
Jun 22 22:48:43 <pivotalcog> But it's more than a dollar.
Jun 22 22:48:51 <maik> which could very well mean less sales
Jun 22 22:48:55 <maik> $0.99 it is then
Jun 22 22:49:00 <sugardave> it is, but I think Yule Log is worth it :P
Jun 22 22:49:24 <HattCzech_work> i can't believe people would buy something because it's $0.99 rather than $1.00
Jun 22 22:49:32 <HattCzech_work> but maybe that's because i'm logical?
Jun 22 22:49:38 <pivotalcog> Neither can I, but the wiki article says they will.
Jun 22 22:49:40 <sugardave> in 4 months I'll be releasing a Yule Log update (hopefully) that is going to put all the haters to rest
Jun 22 22:50:21 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: just look at a real estate development sign "Prices starting below $120K"
Jun 22 22:50:26 <maik> HattCzech_work: that's exactly it
Jun 22 22:50:33 <sugardave> and then their lowest priced home is $119,999
Jun 22 22:50:38 <maik> sugardave: who is hating on yule log and why?
Jun 22 22:50:39 <pivotalcog> And then the price of the house is 119,999.99
Jun 22 22:51:06 <sugardave> maik: a lot of people, and with good reason...it's crap :P
Jun 22 22:51:07 <HattCzech_work> i just use whatever number they say as the base price
Jun 22 22:51:12 <maik> heh
Jun 22 22:51:18 <sugardave> but the next version will be better
Jun 22 22:51:27 <HattCzech_work> so when i see "below $120k" i automatically think $120k+
Jun 22 22:51:33 <pivotalcog> "99-cent pricing hooks shoppers"  at http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06351/746545-28.stm
Jun 22 22:51:35 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: basically
Jun 22 22:52:09 <pivotalcog> "Not only do people make all kinds of purchasing decisions that aren't  rational, they say, but they're particularly susceptible to the kind of  offers cited above, which are known in the trade as "9-ending" or "just  below" prices.  Studies show the technique not only influences people's perceptions  of prices, but boosts their buying."
Jun 22 22:52:29 <sugardave> tricky tricky
Jun 22 22:53:38 <pivotalcog> Whatever. Buyers in a market are not rational. That f--s with just about every economic theory out there, including how people conceive of themselves, so no one ever discusses it. Except the retail sales people, who laugh silently all the way to the bank.
Jun 22 22:54:37 <sugardave> pro-tip: if you have multiple listeners for the same event on one object, only the last one is going to work
Jun 22 22:54:41 <sugardave> the more you know
Jun 22 22:54:47 * sugardave smacks himself hard.
Jun 22 22:55:23 <pivotalcog> sugardave, really? Only the last one fires?
Jun 22 22:55:38 <sugardave> according to my log, yep
Jun 22 22:55:43 <pivotalcog> I guess you have to fire more events from the main handler, then....
Jun 22 22:56:46 <sugardave> in my case, I'm chagning the behavior of a "preview" button to do multiple things, cancel the download, play the preview, or stop the preview
Jun 22 22:56:56 <HattCzech_work> interesting read, pivotalcog, thanks
Jun 22 22:57:08 <sugardave> they all listen on Mojo.Event.tap, so I just have to make sure I stop listening on the right ones at the right time
Jun 22 22:57:54 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: why wouldn't you have 1 event listener with a case statement?
Jun 22 22:58:15 <pivotalcog> HattCzech: You're welcome; sugardave: Sort of makes sense, though, if they are "registered" and there's only one slot per event...Then each subsequent assignment overwrites the next? Or are you saying that they "unroll" as you stop listening?
Jun 22 22:58:32 <sugardave> well, I have that, too....I will probably combine them all, but I want to make sure code logic is in place
Jun 22 22:58:39 <sugardave> yeah, they 'unroll' as it were
Jun 22 22:58:45 <pivotalcog> Wow.
Jun 22 22:59:22 <pivotalcog> Maybe one is listening and stops the event....?
Jun 22 22:59:27 <pivotalcog> Before the others can handle it?
Jun 22 22:59:30 <sugardave> ah, now that is possible
Jun 22 22:59:40 <sugardave> I haven't messed with the propagation stuff
Jun 22 23:00:02 <sugardave> in this case, I only need one to fire, but after I stop playing the file, I want to revert to the other handler
Jun 22 23:00:23 <pivotalcog> Yeah..If it were me, that's what I would look at. You may be able to propagate by returning true or something....
Jun 22 23:01:11 <pivotalcog> Well, you could have the handler that catches the event instate another before it exits...
Jun 22 23:01:45 <pivotalcog> Events can be put on the queue, if I recall correctly....
Jun 22 23:02:11 <sugardave> I think I have my solution, seems to do what I want, that's all I care about at this point :D
Jun 22 23:02:45 <pivotalcog> Then you're there.
Jun 22 23:03:01 <pivotalcog> (As in "home" or finished.)
Jun 22 23:03:08 <pivotalcog> :)
Jun 22 23:03:13 <sugardave> heh
Jun 22 23:03:30 <sugardave> almost, still have some other requirements but I'm getting there
Jun 22 23:19:14 <HattCzech_work> night all
Jun 22 23:19:22 <HattCzech_work> i may be on at home later, but we shall see
Jun 22 23:29:24 <sugardave> zsoc!  how's that "hello world" for PDK newbies on Linux coming along? :D
Jun 22 23:30:47 <zsoc> heh, yeah that never happened
Jun 22 23:30:53 <sugardave> heh
Jun 22 23:30:59 <zsoc> probably around the time when i realized how transient it is still
Jun 22 23:31:07 <zsoc> maybe once they get hybrid stuff finalized i'll go for the gusto
Jun 22 23:31:10 <sugardave> damn transients
Jun 22 23:35:51 <sugardave> okay, Audio obejct question...I know how to listen for play and pause events, but there doesn't seem to be an "ended normally" event...how do we know when the file is finished?  more to the point, how would I go about setting up a listener for that?
Jun 22 23:36:26 <maik> submitted my app
Jun 22 23:36:28 <zsoc> i assume you're referring to mojo
Jun 22 23:36:36 <sugardave> zsoc: yes, Mojo
Jun 22 23:36:54 <maik> ooh i know this one!
Jun 22 23:36:55 <zsoc> then, no idea
Jun 22 23:37:01 <sugardave> zsoc: :P
Jun 22 23:37:16 <zsoc> sugardave: make it a pdk app and then we'll talk ;_)
Jun 22 23:37:19 <sugardave> hehe
Jun 22 23:37:30 * sugardave waits to be enlightened by maik.
Jun 22 23:37:41 <maik>     this.siren.addEventListener('ended', this.audioReplay, false);
Jun 22 23:37:48 <sugardave> ended
Jun 22 23:37:49 <sugardave> nice
Jun 22 23:37:53 <sugardave> thank you
Jun 22 23:38:03 <maik> most of what i learned was from here: http://www.jdf-software.com/blog/2010/05/using-audio-in-your-webos-apps/
Jun 22 23:38:23 <maik> specifically i was trying to loop, so audioReplay just fires off another this.audio.play();
Jun 22 23:38:34 <maik> there's a terrible gap, but that's a limitation of the OS
Jun 22 23:38:37 <sugardave> right, bookmarked :D
Jun 23 00:06:52 <sugardave> omg, internet is too fast to test download canceling
Jun 23 00:11:16 <haeffb> sugardave: want to borrow my internet?
Jun 23 00:11:50 <BigBiff_pre> hehe
Jun 23 00:20:54 <sugardave> I realized it helps if you actually call the cancelDownload function you wrote to, you know, cancel the download
Jun 23 00:42:29 <sugardave> except, even now, canceling results in...completed download!
Jun 23 00:42:32 <sugardave> fuuuuuuu
Jun 23 00:45:05 <zsoc> sugardave: you suck at canceling
Jun 23 00:49:52 <dawm> http://www.amazon.com/Moshi-PalmGuard-Macbook-Palmrest-Protector/dp/B001Q5DOJC/ref=pd_sim_e_7
Jun 23 00:50:07 <dawm> is it just me or is that logo pretty similar to one we've all seen
Jun 23 00:50:58 <zsoc> looks totally legit
Jun 23 00:55:19 <sugardave> zsoc: apparently I do...I guess I will fake it and just not play the sound after it finishes
Jun 23 00:56:53 <dawm> wtf
Jun 23 00:57:44 <dawm> i ask ONE question at the tail end of the ATT Webcast thing, and apparently they want to chat with me? sounds fishy
Jun 23 00:58:10 <rwhitby> is there a recording of that webcast anywhere?
Jun 23 00:58:18 <dawm> i think they just posted the slides
Jun 23 00:58:24 <dawm> i know i glanced at an email
Jun 23 00:59:05 <dawm> The slides and videos of the presentation are now available for replay at http://developer.att.com/webcasts.
Jun 23 01:05:40 <rwhitby> dawm: thx
Jun 23 02:02:39 <rolsworth> after a year webos still has no document editor. why is that?
Jun 23 02:03:20 <rolsworth> why are all the apps so limited? is it because of lack of api
Jun 23 02:05:04 <bpadalino> you mean like a word/xls/ppt document editor ?
Jun 23 02:08:12 <rolsworth> word editor
Jun 23 02:10:44 <bpadalino> binary editor in js is probably pretty terrible .. PDK hybrid apps aren't a reality yet .. so i'd guess that has something to do with it
Jun 23 02:10:56 <rwhitby> rolsworth: it's because of all the slack devs wasting time chatting in IRC channel ;)
Jun 23 02:11:39 <bpadalino> there you go
Jun 23 02:12:02 <rwhitby> openoffice and abiword run in the Pre
Jun 23 02:12:53 * rwhitby wonders if asciidoc is in optware
Jun 23 02:13:39 <rolsworth>  never heard of open office running on pre. Can't imagine it runninf well because it sucks on computer
Jun 23 02:14:11 <Tibfib> rolsworth: a lot of people would disagree
Jun 23 02:14:44 <rolsworth> palm kind of moving slow on these things. When I got the pre the document editor said it will be out soon.  A year has passed
Jun 23 02:15:49 <rolsworth> i wonder when palm will release flash. I cannot imagine it running well
Jun 23 02:17:58 <Nyceane> hey, is app store still down?
Jun 23 02:19:41 <bpadalino> rolsworth: why such a naysayer ?
Jun 23 02:20:31 <rolsworth> about what? flash
Jun 23 02:20:44 <bpadalino> about webos in general
Jun 23 02:21:02 <Nyceane> can you guys download apps yet?
Jun 23 02:21:02 <rolsworth> it's the truth
Jun 23 02:21:19 <bpadalino> how much can palm talk about while going through an acquisition ?
Jun 23 02:22:12 <rolsworth> there is a program on the Pre called doc view. When i first got the pre it said document editing would be available soon. It still says the same thig after a year
Jun 23 02:22:40 <bpadalino> talk to the guys who make the document editor - they broke their promise to you
Jun 23 02:22:41 <dawm> thats not a 'palm' app tho
Jun 23 02:22:58 <rolsworth> they said they are waiting on Palm
Jun 23 02:22:58 <dawm> its the developers fault for not living up to their word
Jun 23 02:23:25 <dawm> i can say im waiting for Windows 10 to release my next app.. does that make it microsofts fault?
Jun 23 02:23:35 <dawm> :P
Jun 23 02:23:49 <rolsworth> from what i understand Palm does not have what they need
Jun 23 02:23:56 <rolsworth> as yet
Jun 23 02:24:08 <bpadalino> how can that be? they were given a plugin so they could write all the C/C++ they wanted
Jun 23 02:26:17 <rolsworth> not a developer. That's just what I read but when I look at the App catalog there isn't much in it that has a wow factor
Jun 23 02:26:53 <rolsworth> i like the Pre but beginning to feel like it's not progressing much
Jun 23 02:29:03 <bpadalino> i dunno .. it seems doing a 1 year comparison of the OS from where it was before and now .. it seems to have progressed pretty well .. you don't think so ?
Jun 23 02:29:19 <rolsworth>  after a whole year and only one crappy IM program in the catalog
Jun 23 02:30:01 <bpadalino> "Gimme some more" syndrome ?
Jun 23 02:53:59 <dohtem> did palm ever share those developer interviews from dev day?
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