**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 23 02:59:56 2010 Jun 23 03:00:37 my progress bar sucks...it goes from nothing to maybe a small sliver, then everything is done...there is no smoothness Jun 23 03:00:54 I think these files are too small to get more than 1 or 2 calls to the onsuccess of my downloadmanager call Jun 23 03:01:29 sugardave: what app are you working on? Jun 23 03:02:03 Tibfib: I'm doing a ringtone app skeleton for a client, he wants a progress bar while the preview/full file downloads Jun 23 03:03:44 so, I just look at the amountReceived / totalAmount and use that for my progress indicator Jun 23 03:03:49 in theory it's perfect Jun 23 03:03:55 in practice, not so much Jun 23 03:10:15 if there were a way I could force the emulator to be on a slower network somehow Jun 23 03:13:42 download lots of crap Jun 23 03:14:03 hmmm, maybe I could ping flood myself Jun 23 03:14:09 start up some linux torrents, they'll fill your pipe Jun 23 03:14:26 would be nice if I could just go into virtualbox and say Jun 23 03:14:36 "limit this NIC to 33.6Kbps" Jun 23 03:16:49 http://www.48upper.com/ new HP Social Thing Jun 23 03:18:54 sugardave: interesting, what type of ringtones? Jun 23 03:19:30 funny thing is.. 48upper appears to be wordpress Jun 23 03:19:42 nm its drupal Jun 23 03:21:33 Tibfib: I only have a few samples atm...waiting for him to send me a more complete content menu...sound effects and names, mostly so far Jun 23 03:21:48 drupaldrupaldrupal Jun 23 03:22:30 dave i bet you could throttle the speed in the emulator Jun 23 03:22:57 I'm trying! Jun 23 03:23:36 think linux Jun 23 03:23:53 yeah, will google up some stuff Jun 23 03:23:59 http://superuser.com/questions/66574/how-to-throttle-bandwidth-on-a-linux-network-interface Jun 23 03:24:03 a good place to start Jun 23 03:24:08 yes, thank you! Jun 23 03:37:03 I have lost my Pre USB cable :( Jun 23 03:42:37 anyone know what 1.4.5 add> Jun 23 03:44:02 we don't have it yet Jun 23 03:47:52 is there a standard for help pages? Jun 23 03:48:07 (should i throw it to the help program?) Jun 23 03:48:14 or do it inline? Jun 23 03:52:15 sugardave: hook your computer up to a 56K modem Jun 23 04:05:52 rwhitby: man, I haven't owned a modem in about 15 years Jun 23 04:06:39 I think netem or that nistnet thing will work out...OR the client said I can just use a "please wait" popup, I'll put a spinner on it and be done with that Jun 23 04:07:34 HattCzech: only standard I know about is you got to have at least one contact method in there Jun 23 04:08:01 but, I haven't released an app since November/December, so.... Jun 23 04:08:11 yeah, but that's like the support page Jun 23 04:08:16 i'm thinking a FAQ page Jun 23 04:08:32 because i get asked so often "how do i delete a contact?" :/ Jun 23 04:08:48 oh, I see what you mean...no standard there, I think Jun 23 04:10:01 yay for lack of standards! :) Jun 23 04:10:09 means "i do what i want!" Jun 23 04:18:21 HattCzech: you can make a faq scene and reference it in the support/help page, as well Jun 23 04:22:09 yeah, that's what i was planning Jun 23 04:40:32 i should really be working on my app Jun 23 04:58:18 do it Jun 23 05:31:14 What's the rule on icon sizes? I see 64x64 and 56x56 and the default one from palm-generate is 48x48. Jun 23 05:42:39 things that are awesome: "What's New" in the app catalog being spammed to death by stupid "quotes" "apps" Jun 23 05:47:15 I secretly hope HP will bring the ban hammer down on those apps. Jun 23 05:47:38 go to app catalog, sort by rating Jun 23 05:47:52 highest app on list is some piece of poop that got a single five star Jun 23 05:48:16 yeah, that's pretty naive rankings Jun 23 05:48:29 meanwhile something with 300 four stars is way lower ranked Jun 23 05:49:14 i came up with a ranking solution for that type of problem once, which was sum of points squared over total ratings Jun 23 05:49:20 worked awesome Jun 23 05:49:29 all these "book" apps are a bit annoying Jun 23 05:49:44 basically, it's average with the numerator squared Jun 23 05:57:10 sounds like a good algo cxreg Jun 23 05:57:56 surely you would think the users would be complaining when they can't find what they want in the catalog Jun 23 05:58:18 How does "What's New" work right now? Is it strictly in chronological order? Jun 23 05:58:55 i would actually offset the score by 2 so they would go from -1 to 3 Jun 23 05:59:09 giving an actual penalty for 1s Jun 23 06:00:40 i wonder if i could contact someone at palm to give it a whirl, i bet they'd like it Jun 23 06:01:02 you guys have any experience with ImageView ? Jun 23 06:01:05 nah, dont give my app a penalty ;) Jun 23 06:01:09 lol Jun 23 06:01:28 for some reason I can't the ImageView widget to occupy the entire scene Jun 23 06:01:42 hmm, let me see if i'm using imageview Jun 23 06:02:15 ahh, i'm just using picture, not imageview Jun 23 06:02:48 are you using ares or straight mojo? Jun 23 06:03:29 straight mojo Jun 23 06:03:31 http://wx.hemna.com/AvWx/AvWx5.png Jun 23 06:03:35 that's what I'm ending up with :( Jun 23 06:03:57 wow Jun 23 06:04:01
<--- my entire scene's html Jun 23 06:04:04 yeah i'd say thats a bit tiny Jun 23 06:04:28 I've tried css to force the size of that div Jun 23 06:04:29 no dice Jun 23 06:04:40 hmm let me check something Jun 23 06:06:14 ok in ares it has properties for width and height... i'm assuming it puts that in the html or sets an attribute Jun 23 06:06:46 i dont think it will let me look at the actual code there which is the one thing i dont like about ares Jun 23 06:06:59 isn't there a code view in ares? Jun 23 06:07:15 when i hit code view it takes me to the assistant js Jun 23 06:07:47 unless there is another code view i'm missing Jun 23 06:07:58 i know i'd sure like to view the gui code Jun 23 06:08:17 dang Jun 23 06:08:33 let me check something else Jun 23 06:09:44 i suppose i could download the code and view it that way Jun 23 06:12:42 man I just don't get this Jun 23 06:12:59 something else is containing the ImageView div somehow Jun 23 06:13:29 i have this in the js file pertaining to imageView Jun 23 06:13:32 { Jun 23 06:13:33 name: "imageView1", Jun 23 06:13:33 type: "Palm.Mojo.ImageView", Jun 23 06:13:33 l: 0, Jun 23 06:13:33 t: 0 Jun 23 06:13:33 } Jun 23 06:13:42 dont think that will help Jun 23 06:14:30 checking html now Jun 23 06:16:30 strange, the html to go with the scene is blank Jun 23 06:19:17 that's odd Jun 23 06:19:21 frack Jun 23 06:19:37 looks like there is a w: and a h: attribute for width and height Jun 23 06:19:49 name: "imageView1", Jun 23 06:19:49 type: "Palm.Mojo.ImageView", Jun 23 06:19:49 l: 0, Jun 23 06:19:49 w: "320", Jun 23 06:19:49 t: 0, Jun 23 06:19:50 h: "480" Jun 23 06:20:17 got that after i overrode the default 100% Jun 23 06:21:50 hrmm Jun 23 06:25:17 Its not possible to see the "view" code in Ares Jun 23 06:25:21 can't figure it out Jun 23 06:25:27 You can download the code and look at it though Jun 23 06:25:33 yeah thats what i did Jun 23 06:25:47 looked at several examples, none of them show anything to do with sizing of the ImageViewer and they all show 100% the size of the scene Jun 23 06:26:05 do you have it in a container? Jun 23 06:26:20 like a vbox? Jun 23 06:26:49 imageView.mojo.manualSize(width, height) Jun 23 06:28:49 hemna: ^^^^ Jun 23 06:29:07 yah I tried that Jun 23 06:29:10 it did nothing :( Jun 23 06:29:11 lame Jun 23 06:29:44 of course, it doesn't say px or in or em or what unit Jun 23 06:30:18 man Jun 23 06:30:24 I just created a brain dead simple test app Jun 23 06:30:35 all it does is push a scene that contains an ImageViewer Jun 23 06:30:37 same problem Jun 23 06:30:40 w t f?! Jun 23 06:30:59 have you tried making your app fullscreen (I don't know how to do it) Jun 23 06:31:01 ? Jun 23 06:31:28 good luck, time for sleep Jun 23 06:33:00 man Jun 23 06:33:06 this is the only scene that has this problem Jun 23 06:33:11 the rest are full screen size Jun 23 06:33:27 strange Jun 23 06:38:23 this.GraphsViewer.mojo.manualSize(this.controller.window.innerWidth, this.controller.window.innerHeight); Jun 23 06:38:27 that is the magic Jun 23 06:38:30 P I T A Jun 23 06:38:35 why isn't that documented?!?!? Jun 23 06:38:40 nice Jun 23 06:38:46 l a m e Jun 23 06:38:55 because it would be too easy if it was documented Jun 23 06:39:13 i'm so close to re-doing my app Jun 23 06:39:46 i dont want to because i made nice little icons for the parts i'm scrapping, ugh Jun 23 06:40:40 doh Jun 23 06:40:43 what are you working on? Jun 23 06:40:54 to do it the way i want it i'm going to have to use sqlite Jun 23 06:40:58 diet app Jun 23 06:41:28 that's easier than dieting! Jun 23 06:41:51 i want the user to be able to enter each individual meal but i can't use depot if i do it that way Jun 23 06:42:19 unless i make a real long record Jun 23 06:52:40 I haven't dinked w/ depot or the db stuff yet Jun 23 06:52:55 async handling of db functions seems like a pita Jun 23 06:53:18 can't really create a self contained class that handles fetching data that can be reused between scenes Jun 23 06:54:36 depot is ok except you can't fetch a range of records which is what i really need Jun 23 09:21:46 good morning Jun 23 09:41:17 Morning Jun 23 10:39:43 Is there a article about using more JS files? I would like to have a JS file that contains all me db stuff ect. So would like to know where to place theese files and how to call functions in the other file Jun 23 12:23:45 just include them in your main index.html file Jun 23 12:26:38 thanks, that was what i was missing :D Jun 23 13:34:45 morning Jun 23 13:37:57 hi Jun 23 13:49:57 good morning, #webos Jun 23 13:56:41 morning haeffb Jun 23 14:28:35 morning Jun 23 15:02:01 morning Jun 23 15:04:48 morning Jun 23 15:04:48 :p Jun 23 15:05:23 booo. can't edit or create google doc from phone Jun 23 15:06:02 google doesn't like competition phones Jun 23 15:06:38 I think you can from blackberry, but I could be wrong Jun 23 15:08:41 hmm, it says you can from m.google.com/docs Jun 23 15:08:47 doc support's been kinda bull :( Jun 23 15:09:16 I can view them, just can't create Jun 23 15:09:25 my winmo treo and centro used to save my butt all the time with doc editing Jun 23 15:09:45 like OH SNAP THAT'S DUE PERIOD 4? Jun 23 15:09:50 edit in class Jun 23 15:10:32 I really need to write today. hard to do with dead motherboard Jun 23 15:11:36 ouch Jun 23 15:12:06 hp sposed to replace it unless they show it's somehow my fault Jun 23 15:12:31 which will probably be the case Jun 23 15:15:15 gotta love warranty :( Jun 23 15:15:35 i always use ASUS mobos Jun 23 15:15:47 how are they Jun 23 15:15:52 awesome Jun 23 15:16:06 i can surf the net without booting to OS Jun 23 15:16:10 even IM Jun 23 15:16:19 helps when your os crashes Jun 23 15:17:10 lots of overclocking options also Jun 23 15:47:37 hemna: you absolutely can create a DB class in its own contained file and use it across scenes Jun 23 15:48:10 so the asus mobos have some sort of built in instant-on OS? Jun 23 15:49:08 hemna: VERY simple example here: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects Jun 23 15:49:33 goooooooooaaaallllllll Jun 23 15:51:36 *click* Jun 23 15:52:46 TWITTER OVER CAPACITY AS USA SCORES LOOOL Jun 23 15:53:23 that was wild Jun 23 15:57:33 hemna: then some other person also has this: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6732&start=0 Jun 23 16:03:22 page bookmarks in the launcher, are you kidding me Jun 23 16:03:24 this is the best phone Jun 23 16:03:38 * hemna agrees Jun 23 16:04:06 hemna: and if you ever get stuck with db questions... Jun 23 16:04:11 BigBiff is the guy to talk to Jun 23 16:04:22 awesome. Jun 23 16:04:25 I haven't tried using it yet Jun 23 16:04:33 I'm getting away with using cookies for now Jun 23 16:05:00 I dove straight into dbs early one, I still have never used the depot :D Jun 23 16:05:09 s/one/on/ Jun 23 16:06:35 I think I'm going to turn in my super cheesy app to the app contest here at work Jun 23 16:06:49 not going to submit my weather app Jun 23 16:06:55 you have a webOS app contest at your job? Jun 23 16:07:01 * sugardave is jealous. Jun 23 16:07:07 yah Jun 23 16:07:21 what do you do/where do you work? Jun 23 16:23:10 correct. I am the local expert in all things sql. Jun 23 16:23:28 rewind - in all things. Jun 23 16:23:48 (notice the punctuation) Jun 23 16:24:16 this is me hoping that Germany beats Ghana so that we end up having to play them or serbia instead of Germany in the next game.... Jun 23 16:24:37 I taught haeffb most of what he knows Jun 23 16:24:47 that IS impressive Jun 23 16:24:52 ...that's not saying much... Jun 23 16:24:54 Rick_work: hey there Jun 23 16:24:56 well Jun 23 16:25:07 I'm not one to brag.. Jun 23 16:25:21 is the webos dev stuff working in ubuntu 10.04 64bit right now? sun-java6-jre is now something else, and the SDK gets an "improper architecture" error in apt when i try to install it even with ia32-libs installed Jun 23 16:25:34 haeffb: ever tried a popupDialog....from a popupDialog? Jun 23 16:25:58 that sounds like "crossing the streams" ... Jun 23 16:26:05 that's just crazy talk Jun 23 16:26:09 oh, that's not good Jun 23 16:26:11 hehhe Jun 23 16:26:27 but to answer the question: no. Jun 23 16:26:30 I may try it in a little bit "just to see" Jun 23 16:26:47 can I have what's left of your house when you're done? Jun 23 16:26:52 sure! Jun 23 16:26:53 hehe Jun 23 16:27:16 Wolvenhaven: --force-architecture Jun 23 16:27:18 lights are flickering here.. Jun 23 16:27:31 Wolvenhaven: I'm running Ubunti 10.04 64-bit and things working fine Jun 23 16:27:35 no Inspector, though Jun 23 16:27:57 so what would the command look like? Jun 23 16:28:03 hang on a sec Jun 23 16:28:25 dpkg --force-architecture "sdk"? Jun 23 16:28:40 sudo dpkg -i --force-architecture palm-sdk_1.4.1-svn274946-sdk1436-pho427_i386.deb Jun 23 16:28:50 read this: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1585&Itemid=55 Jun 23 16:29:15 yea, i'm on that page :P Jun 23 16:29:20 oh :P Jun 23 16:29:25 it worked for me :D Jun 23 16:29:36 when i tried it without force it didn't work, it should work now though, thanks Jun 23 16:29:40 np Jun 23 16:30:29 hmm, it can't find that deb in the repo, i don't think the sources file got updated correctly Jun 23 16:30:57 in the Ubuntu repo? no, you have to download it Jun 23 16:31:12 or am I not understanding? Jun 23 16:31:33 na, i was wrong Jun 23 16:32:37 the wireless charging puck makes the phone hot heh Jun 23 16:57:18 damn, i have VB 3.2, i have to downgrade to 3.1 for the emulator to work Jun 23 17:10:44 ok so this poor guy in africa just emailed me... sounds like he needs some $ to get home Jun 23 17:11:02 I guess I'll give him my bank number Jun 23 17:11:16 he seems honest enough Jun 23 17:17:24 BigBiff: I say go for it. There's no reward like that you receive for helping your fellow man. Jun 23 17:17:51 hahaha Jun 23 17:17:53 that's what I'm thinking Jun 23 17:18:04 anyone done a list of drawers? Jun 23 17:18:24 yes, once Jun 23 17:18:32 i'm trying to figure out how i can toggle them Jun 23 17:18:44 the animation was.... kludgy Jun 23 17:18:53 hmmm... Jun 23 17:19:52 I think it's like any other widget in a list Jun 23 17:20:14 how do i access the mojo properties of it? i tried and it didn't work Jun 23 17:20:20 the openstate is a property of the list model Jun 23 17:20:23 the event.model is the list of items Jun 23 17:20:36 ya Jun 23 17:21:24 so is it event.model.items[event.index].mojo.toggleState() ? Jun 23 17:21:28 i think i tried that and it didn't work Jun 23 17:28:37 I think you can just cal the drawer directly Jun 23 17:28:41 call Jun 23 17:29:02 getElementsByName Jun 23 17:31:09 srry, I got no comp, just trying to remember Jun 23 17:31:28 DRAWERS SUCK Jun 23 17:32:33 HattCzech_work: seems like: Jun 23 17:34:00 this.controller.getElementsByName('theDrawer')[event.index].mojo.togglestate Jun 23 17:34:18 or setOpenState whatever Jun 23 17:34:27 i saw something online about that Jun 23 17:34:32 i'm about to try it Jun 23 17:34:38 ahhh k Jun 23 17:35:18 * BigBiff really needs a working comp to access hard drive Jun 23 17:35:30 it's helpful Jun 23 17:36:12 I'm gonna try one of those universal hard drive adapters Jun 23 17:36:47 take hard drive to my school comp and hopefully dump it off Jun 23 17:38:16 HattCzech_work: did you find the info at webos101 or somewhere else Jun 23 17:38:43 somewhere else Jun 23 17:38:47 i think in a forum Jun 23 17:38:53 ahh Jun 23 17:39:10 looks like this.controller.document.getElementsByName... works Jun 23 17:39:18 i need document in there :/ Jun 23 17:39:30 ahhhh Jun 23 17:39:38 well I was close Jun 23 17:39:43 :) Jun 23 17:39:55 indeed you were Jun 23 17:40:00 and they're a bit shaky Jun 23 17:40:13 ya, I gave up on them Jun 23 17:40:42 especially if there's alot of material in them Jun 23 17:41:23 oooh, there's sugardaves next project Jun 23 17:41:40 what's that? drawers? Jun 23 17:41:45 drawe in a list... filterlist in the drawer Jun 23 17:41:46 good f-ing luck with that Jun 23 17:41:55 hahah Jun 23 17:42:03 hehe Jun 23 17:42:03 I did a scroller -> list -> drawer once Jun 23 17:42:06 it sucked hard Jun 23 17:43:01 template of a template in a template Jun 23 17:43:39 * haeffb has drawers in a list Jun 23 17:43:54 look, a martyr! Jun 23 17:44:05 * sugardave pushes haeffb to the front. Jun 23 17:47:21 haeffb: are they choppy? Jun 23 17:47:29 i may lose them and go to standard formatting Jun 23 17:47:40 i was planning to use them for a FAQ list Jun 23 17:47:53 but that might be overcomplicating things Jun 23 17:48:26 They work acceptably well for me... Jun 23 17:48:46 but a simple show/hide of a div may work better... Jun 23 17:49:11 i may just lose them and have a content page Jun 23 17:58:15 it would be cool to acces ares on the pre Jun 23 17:59:06 I would actually use ares then Jun 23 18:03:47 this emulator is awesome Jun 23 18:19:46 I am 222 now!!! Jun 23 18:19:59 http://www.palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=com.pascharllc.windowsvista Jun 23 18:20:06 guys! I am 222 now! yay! Jun 23 18:20:09 evening Jun 23 18:20:12 woo! Jun 23 18:20:28 HattCzech_work, did you make it to 221? Jun 23 18:20:29 swisstomcat: what's woohoo! in German? :) Jun 23 18:20:44 hurrrra Jun 23 18:21:03 yeehaw! ? Jun 23 18:21:31 that means i have 3000 to climb =_= Jun 23 18:21:45 new tuts+ beta is out: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.1_all.ipk Jun 23 18:21:59 do i need to make an account on developer.palm.com to put apps i write on my pre? Jun 23 18:22:14 for official apps, yes Jun 23 18:22:22 not needed for homebrew Jun 23 18:22:38 cause i don't have a company or tax info heh, so i was like wtf during the registration proc Jun 23 18:22:57 is precentral the homebrew site then? Jun 23 18:23:12 yes Jun 23 18:23:17 precentral.net Jun 23 18:23:38 thanks Jun 23 18:23:40 you don't have a tax number? Jun 23 18:23:55 i've never filed taxes Jun 23 18:24:06 too young? Jun 23 18:24:15 i'm 20, still under my parents cause i'm a full time student Jun 23 18:24:44 guess you could try your parents tax number Jun 23 18:24:48 Nyceane: nope Jun 23 18:25:09 na, if it's for official apps, i'm going to delete the account, i just want to mess around making apps for myself, homebrew is perfect Jun 23 18:25:28 what was your plan to move up? Jun 23 18:30:03 haha, what a funny review "To the Dev...you sir are some kind of man-beast. A genius and I do not use that word litely. You are 50% awesome and 50% brilliant and 50% hero. That's 150%. At least 50% greater then any man before. Next I ask of you to see what you can do about the economy. I look forward to you having that fixed. You are the change this country needs...god has his hand on your shoulder. It is your duty to pro Jun 23 18:30:12 :P Jun 23 18:30:36 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7761 Jun 23 18:32:36 can i just download the app directly from my palm from precentral and have it install? Jun 23 18:32:56 you have to use preware Jun 23 18:33:00 or webosquickinstall Jun 23 18:33:20 are those official apps? Jun 23 18:33:30 no Jun 23 18:33:31 sorry for all the stupid questions, i got this thing a couple hours ago :P Jun 23 18:33:35 no problem Jun 23 18:33:52 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware Jun 23 18:34:30 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-14-a.html Jun 23 18:35:07 i need to install both? Jun 23 18:35:20 you need webosquickinstall to install preware Jun 23 18:35:27 from then on you can use preware Jun 23 18:35:27 hehe ok Jun 23 18:35:32 or webosquickinstall Jun 23 18:35:54 http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes Jun 23 18:36:12 http://preware.org/#/install/ Jun 23 18:36:59 i am so glad i ditched my iphone Jun 23 18:37:05 :) Jun 23 18:37:12 you didn't like it? Jun 23 18:37:29 there wasn't a droid for att when i got it Jun 23 18:37:42 and i've always run into "well why the hell can i NOT do this?!" with it Jun 23 18:37:45 you got the att pre plus? Jun 23 18:38:01 last night it updated to 0s4, and failed, wiping the entire thing because the backup didn't actually backup Jun 23 18:38:06 yea Jun 23 18:38:11 ouch Jun 23 18:38:16 yea, i lost everything Jun 23 18:38:29 i only had pictures copied manually from like 2 weeks ago Jun 23 18:38:29 webos has a great community Jun 23 18:38:41 yeah, you want to ensure that you actually HAVE a backup before updating. Jun 23 18:38:42 so i more or less decided apple can go burn, and i got a pre Jun 23 18:38:57 oh i had a backup, it showed up, it just wasn't a backup Jun 23 18:39:06 You'll enjoy it in many ways, there's a lot you can do on the pre that you couldn't do on your apple. Jun 23 18:39:10 and itunes is too stupid to quit on fail Jun 23 18:39:14 there are some frustrations. Jun 23 18:39:27 like with every device Jun 23 18:39:32 nodnod Jun 23 18:39:34 it should go "oh, the backup didn't work, halt" not "oh, the backup didn't work, wiping phone, installing upgrade" Jun 23 18:39:52 yea, i've been using ubuntu for years on hardware that's not supported, i know frustrating :P Jun 23 18:39:53 nodnod. So did you doctor it? Jun 23 18:40:19 the sdk is available for all platforms .. win/mac/linux Jun 23 18:40:33 yea, i've already got the emulator running Jun 23 18:40:51 cool, have you been to the webos-internals wiki? Jun 23 18:41:09 no, i ran through the hello world and now i'm trying to get rubin's irc app installed first Jun 23 18:41:18 those webos-internals people are top notch Jun 23 18:41:18 ah Jun 23 18:41:50 i used to have palms like 6-8 years ago Jun 23 18:42:00 most any question you might have is on the webos-internals.org wiki or the webos101 wiki Jun 23 18:42:25 and developer.palm.com Jun 23 18:42:32 wow, i have to type a street fighter cheat code to unlock this phone? that's awesome Jun 23 18:42:33 you might want to register as a user at least Jun 23 18:42:48 Wolvenhaven no, you can use webos20090606 Jun 23 18:43:08 both work Jun 23 18:43:12 i like the cheat code :P Jun 23 18:44:39 that is awesome Jun 23 18:47:23 i've already installed novacom, webos_quickinstall says it's going to install it again Jun 23 18:47:33 do i just need to install doctor then? Jun 23 18:48:10 it should download the correct doctor Jun 23 18:48:30 and leave novacom alone? Jun 23 18:49:08 probably .. not sure .. it's been a while since i used webos_quickinstall Jun 23 18:49:32 if you feel confident with the commandline, there's a quicker way to install preware .. hop over to #webos-internals Jun 23 18:54:57 i should have switched sooner, or switched carriers, this is amazing Jun 23 18:55:13 a much more open world .. a world of choice Jun 23 18:55:29 Psh, choice.... Jun 23 18:55:30 ok, so with preware installed i can grab homebrew apps directly from my pre and then run preware and select them to install? Jun 23 18:55:36 si Jun 23 18:55:38 yeah Jun 23 18:55:59 run preware and install homebrew and app catalog apps from there Jun 23 18:56:34 i download from the web right? preware doesn't do apt-get install stuff right? Jun 23 18:56:47 preware downloads from the web Jun 23 18:56:54 oh, sweet Jun 23 18:56:56 or calls the app catalog app Jun 23 18:57:04 palm uses ipkg, not apt Jun 23 18:57:22 yea Jun 23 18:57:45 i meant download and install, not manual download and then like dpkg or something Jun 23 18:58:03 preware downloads the ipk from the feed and installs it Jun 23 18:58:15 sup dawg just got a pre last week Jun 23 18:58:19 that's nice Jun 23 18:58:20 even replacement kernels :) Jun 23 18:58:34 does the app catalog use ipkg? Jun 23 18:58:48 i think so Jun 23 18:58:54 yeah Jun 23 18:59:44 think the 1.4.5 update'll come when the PDK hot apps program starts? Jun 23 19:00:03 Hello Jun 23 19:00:08 probably Jun 23 19:00:10 hi hotdp Jun 23 19:00:17 is there a search feature i'm just completely not seeing? Jun 23 19:00:31 hype Jun 23 19:00:32 Can someone tell me why i can't add a custom Mojo.Menu item? Jun 23 19:00:42 i try http://webos101.com/AppMenu_Example Jun 23 19:01:56 When i add, i just can't see the item? Jun 23 19:03:23 Wolvenhaven: just start typing Jun 23 19:03:32 haha, i feel dumb Jun 23 19:03:32 (once you're in a list of items) Jun 23 19:03:51 don't... it's not like you'd notice otherwise :) Jun 23 19:04:02 it didn't say search Jun 23 19:04:11 exactly Jun 23 19:04:39 holy crap...my wife has tennis on. history is being made Jun 23 19:04:46 hehe Jun 23 19:05:00 these guys are in the 5th set and up to game _102_ Jun 23 19:07:30 HotDP: what's the problem, exactly? Jun 23 19:07:49 I try todo what the ex says Jun 23 19:08:05 alright, i'm off to do stuff, thanks for all the help guys, cya later Jun 23 19:08:16 cya Jun 23 19:08:28 adios Jun 23 19:08:32 When i add this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, myMenuAttr, myMenuModel); in setup in the other scenes Jun 23 19:08:36 it just dont work Jun 23 19:09:12 * haeffb thinks the example is wrong. Jun 23 19:09:19 are you defining myMenuAttr and myMenuModel ? Jun 23 19:09:19 well, no, it's not. Jun 23 19:09:45 it's just creating global vars in setup() of stage-assistant.js Jun 23 19:09:55 HotDP: is that what you did? Jun 23 19:09:58 eh ? Jun 23 19:10:22 myMenuAttr = { ... } in setup() of stageAssistant? Jun 23 19:10:54 No Jun 23 19:11:06 I can copy paste the code somewhere to show you Jun 23 19:11:11 you did it in setup() of mySceneAssistant ? Jun 23 19:11:15 I think that the stage is ok Jun 23 19:11:26 http://www.pastie.org Jun 23 19:11:29 But the other scenes is missing something Jun 23 19:11:43 "In each scene's setup method add: " Jun 23 19:11:45 Fails Jun 23 19:12:14 http://www.pastie.org/1016288 Jun 23 19:12:19 random question: would palm care if i tried to launch an app (not made by palm) with a com.palm... name? Jun 23 19:13:18 in the app catalog? not allowed. Jun 23 19:13:52 so i'm not able to attempt to launch homebrew? Jun 23 19:14:21 haeffb, does the pastie work? Jun 23 19:14:30 homebrew is .... (ok) Jun 23 19:15:02 homebrew with the com.palm namespace? Jun 23 19:15:09 not officially sanctioned by Palm, but there are a number of apps out there that use com.palm.xxxx Jun 23 19:15:34 HotDP: yes. Jun 23 19:15:50 pastie your scenes setup() where the menu doesn't work Jun 23 19:16:36 haeffb: i'm wondering because i'd like to pass information from my app catalog app to my homebrew app Jun 23 19:16:52 oh. I see. Jun 23 19:17:03 It does not work on any, but i have tried on my mainscene http://www.pastie.org/1016295 Jun 23 19:17:17 so i'd launch my homebrew from my app catalog app with certain parameters Jun 23 19:17:35 but since it's a com.palm homebrew... i'm not sure if they'll like that Jun 23 19:17:40 HattCzech_work: not sure what they'd say... Jun 23 19:17:42 or deny my app Jun 23 19:17:47 not sure if they'd even check... Jun 23 19:18:29 hypothetically, one could do it and see what happens. worst case, you have to remove it from your app. Jun 23 19:18:34 chuq needs to get back Jun 23 19:19:09 haeffb: i'm trying to do it before the hot apps competition ends Jun 23 19:19:20 so i don't have time to see if it'll work... :) Jun 23 19:19:33 then I'd definitely ask Jun 23 19:19:34 are you not able to put any old name for the app? Jun 23 19:19:41 like com.derp.thingy? Jun 23 19:19:50 torchie: my homebrew uses private services Jun 23 19:19:59 so i need the com.palm namespace to access them Jun 23 19:20:42 HotDP: why is the setupWidget(...) commented? Jun 23 19:21:15 haeffb, it wont start if its in Jun 23 19:21:32 oic Jun 23 19:21:34 maybe lemketron can find chuqui for us Jun 23 19:22:27 did you try it before the Ares.setup.... ? Jun 23 19:22:34 Or, it will start but when i pres Jun 23 19:23:09 I get error Jun 23 19:23:15 here's your problem: Mojo.Menu.prefsItetm, Jun 23 19:23:49 i just copy pasted :S Jun 23 19:24:09 OMG! Jun 23 19:24:15 I have to use my eyes Jun 23 19:24:27 Shall i tell 101 the write error? Jun 23 19:24:39 you should fix it Jun 23 19:24:48 it's not broken there... Jun 23 19:24:56 oh Jun 23 19:25:46 It works, thanks haeffb Jun 23 19:26:15 I would like if i am the only one who have copyed and not got it to work :D Jun 23 19:26:52 that is very doubtful Jun 23 19:41:29 seriously, this one set of tennis is longer than any match ever....insane Jun 23 19:56:18 Hmmm, beta submission still not live and we're 2+ hours in Jun 23 19:56:47 there are problems with weblinks to the catalog Jun 23 19:58:18 Mmm... Jun 23 19:58:36 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=7754 Jun 23 19:59:09 i submitted a beta app today ... that worked Jun 23 20:10:16 wakkawakkawakka Jun 23 20:10:55 are you guys using eclipse as your IDE? Jun 23 20:12:19 i'm using komodo edit with the webos plugin Jun 23 20:12:22 works well Jun 23 20:12:52 i'm familiar with eclipse, i think i'll try it with the webos plugin first Jun 23 20:13:02 sure, that makes sense Jun 23 20:13:21 cause i don't want to do all that crap every time i want to test an app in the emulator :P Jun 23 20:14:22 my puppy just came down the stairs and is sitting here staring at me like "hey asshole play with me, i'm cute and pathetic" right as i start working on an app Jun 23 20:14:38 hell, my puppy always looks like that Jun 23 20:14:52 what app are you planning to do? Jun 23 20:16:30 valuble item catalog, name, serial, cost, pictures of, stuff like that Jun 23 20:17:17 i'll probably fork it into a shooting book program for range stuff cause i've never found one i like, to keep track of ammo usage, accuracy and stuff Jun 23 20:17:41 great Jun 23 20:18:39 what's funny is i just did one in django for my server more or less Jun 23 20:21:37 if i can, i'm going to try to convince the company my dad works for to pay me to write an app for them :P Jun 23 20:21:50 they write healthcare apps for all the platforms, i know they don't have a webos one Jun 23 20:28:31 okay, this: http://tibfib.com/apps/mojomessenger/icon.PNG or this: http://tibfib.com/apps/mojomessenger/icon-alt.PNG for the Mojo Messenger icon (center right)? Jun 23 20:29:43 I guess which style... neither are good enough at the moment Jun 23 20:30:25 I like the first Jun 23 20:30:26 if you can make the one on the left less blurry, i'd say that one Jun 23 20:30:39 but for now, i'd go with the right one (with the big M) Jun 23 20:31:33 i like the 2nd one with the M... maybe colorize the chat bubbles on it Jun 23 20:31:46 looks very pro Jun 23 20:32:13 i like the second one too Jun 23 20:32:28 tibfib: i've updated tuts+ to 1.0.1 Jun 23 20:33:07 swisstomcat: wanna send it over? Jun 23 20:33:20 hmmm so it seems like either would work with improvements Jun 23 20:33:26 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta_1.0.1_all.ipk Jun 23 20:34:01 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta Jun 23 20:34:03 works again Jun 23 20:34:06 Do you guys like letters in the icon? I don't know if i do Jun 23 20:34:49 i like it Jun 23 20:34:56 maybe a hint of color for branding Jun 23 20:35:01 Tibfib: i'd like it better without, but the 2nd icon looks more pro Jun 23 20:35:27 HattCzech_work: The first one would get "pro"ified Jun 23 20:36:12 then i'd choose that one :) Jun 23 20:38:18 yeah, the first one does show more about what the app does Jun 23 20:38:22 swisstomcat: huge difference. looks really nice Jun 23 20:38:28 thanks Jun 23 20:38:43 no i have to add a webview for the articles Jun 23 20:38:45 now Jun 23 20:39:05 Alright, thanks for the feedback guys, I think I'll go with chat bubbles Jun 23 20:42:33 grrr, beta app catalog problem is driving me crazy! Jun 23 20:43:02 links to the app catalog seem to work again Jun 23 20:43:13 what's the error, roy-pre101? Jun 23 20:44:08 Not working for me. Jun 23 20:44:23 My app(s) are working now Jun 23 20:44:46 hmm, is anyone using eclipse with the aptana plugin? it's installed but none of the webos specific things the guide is telling me are there, aren't Jun 23 20:45:14 Hello folks, quick question for anybody who's on. Is there a way for a PDK app to make the OS go into card view? I'm converting a Mojo app to PDK and would like to make the "back" gesture go to card view for consistency. Jun 23 20:45:46 Still throwing not available for me. Jun 23 20:45:53 hrmm Jun 23 20:46:04 add your problem to the thread, roy-pre101? Jun 23 20:46:20 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=7754 Jun 23 20:49:40 Wolvenhaven: yes, I am Jun 23 20:50:17 haeffb: i installed aptana and went to "window-open perspective-other" and chose apthana Jun 23 20:50:49 but when i do "create new project" it says there should be name, id, version, and vendor, all i see is the name field Jun 23 20:50:54 use WebOS perspective Jun 23 20:51:01 i didn't see that availible Jun 23 20:51:23 yea, webos isn't an availble perspective Jun 23 20:52:07 i have all the webos stuff installed, i've done console stuff and made helloworld Jun 23 20:54:46 i'm trying a reinstall Jun 23 20:55:31 i think you have to be on a certain version of eclipse too Jun 23 20:55:41 dont remember if it was the latest or not Jun 23 20:56:07 i have 3.5.2, it says you need 3.5 Jun 23 20:56:54 let me check my version Jun 23 20:57:14 I have 3.4.2 Jun 23 20:57:24 3.4.2 Jun 23 20:57:25 Wolvenhaven: did you install the extra Palm thing from the dev site, Eclipse_HUD or something like that? Jun 23 20:57:33 oh, it didn't say to install that Jun 23 20:57:45 so go ahead and reinstall aptana then install the hud? Jun 23 20:57:52 yeah, at the very bottom, like 'what next' Jun 23 20:58:00 I don't think you need to re-install Aptana Jun 23 20:58:01 eclipse_HUD? Jun 23 20:58:10 or eclipse update site Jun 23 20:58:11 sorry Jun 23 20:58:18 i already uninstalled it :P Jun 23 20:58:21 there's a zip to download it Jun 23 20:58:34 ok, i'll look Jun 23 20:58:50 night everyone Jun 23 20:59:29 oh, not a zip (that's for pre-release, I think) Jun 23 20:59:33 it's an update site Jun 23 20:59:45 http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/eclipse-update-site/site.xml Jun 23 20:59:51 * haeffb on Windows... Jun 23 21:00:18 i'm on linux Jun 23 21:00:30 i have a link for Palm webOS SDK there... i thought i already had that Jun 23 21:00:34 i already have the palm sdk Jun 23 21:00:36 oh Jun 23 21:00:39 then nevermind me Jun 23 21:00:41 I suck at Eclipse Jun 23 21:00:57 i've done the webos helloworld just fine using consol Jun 23 21:01:00 console* Jun 23 21:01:10 but i'm trying to get the eclipse plugin working cause i'm lazy Jun 23 21:01:17 no no no, nothing to do with the actual sdk Jun 23 21:01:23 you have to add the repo to eclipse Jun 23 21:01:28 and install their thing from there Jun 23 21:01:58 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1639&Itemid=21 Jun 23 21:02:01 first section Jun 23 21:02:03 "Palm Plugin" Jun 23 21:02:07 oh, thanks Jun 23 21:02:34 anyone hear of a slingbox for webos in the works? Jun 23 21:02:41 rumors Jun 23 21:03:09 slingmedia says they're 'working on it' Jun 23 21:03:16 but i thought someone from here was, too. Jun 23 21:03:28 yea, i'm following that link, but i'm still not being able to see any webos stuff, hmm Jun 23 21:03:37 maybe downgrade eclipse? Jun 23 21:03:57 no Jun 23 21:04:13 mine is at 3.5.2 Jun 23 21:05:45 ok, i think i've got it, installing now Jun 23 21:07:55 sweet, it worked, thanks dud Jun 23 21:07:57 dude* Jun 23 21:09:34 np Jun 23 21:09:56 320x480 is the pre right? Jun 23 21:10:01 yep Jun 23 21:32:49 any tips on launching a dialog? for some reason I'm getting an error saying my assistant doesn't exist Jun 23 21:33:05 assistant: new DateDialogAssistant(this, this.dateCallback.bind(this)), Jun 23 21:33:09 but it does exist Jun 23 21:33:39 var DateDialogAssistant = Class.create({ ..... Jun 23 21:37:13 hemna: it might be a scope issue Jun 23 21:38:23 hmm, i'm trying to switch scenes using a button, do i call the scene using a this.controller.pushScene("name"); or something else? Jun 23 21:38:45 checking my code Jun 23 21:39:02 hemna: I'm using a dialog-assistant to encapsulate all my stuff and you pase it the scene controller when create the object Jun 23 21:39:09 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('name'); Jun 23 21:39:24 Wolvenhaven: pushScene or swapScene depending on what you want to happen Jun 23 21:39:37 I removed the "scene" : entry from sources.json Jun 23 21:39:40 and it fixed it Jun 23 21:39:42 what does swapscene do? Jun 23 21:39:45 but, the dialog doesn't come up Jun 23 21:39:46 heh Jun 23 21:39:56 swapScene does what you'd expect Jun 23 21:40:02 it doesn't add a scene to the stack Jun 23 21:40:12 it swaps out the existing scene from the stack with the new one Jun 23 21:40:13 it pops the current scene and pushes the new one Jun 23 21:40:18 oh, so it killes the prev scene Jun 23 21:40:21 yes Jun 23 21:40:26 kills even Jun 23 21:40:41 we prefer the term 'deactivates' Jun 23 21:40:41 wow, i feel stupid, i added a back button, then i remembere pop works by using a gesture Jun 23 21:40:55 BACK BUTTONS ARE LAME Jun 23 21:41:00 YOUR LAME Jun 23 21:41:16 i deactivated the guy who was cheating with my ex... yeah that sounds good Jun 23 21:41:17 lol Jun 23 21:41:24 heh Jun 23 21:41:43 hulu does not like my work computer Jun 23 21:42:04 Neither do knifes apparently... Jun 23 21:42:09 sweet, got my buttons working, now onto the data structure Jun 23 21:42:49 ok dialog works now Jun 23 21:42:50 bleh Jun 23 21:42:56 sources.json was the issue Jun 23 21:56:22 in sources.json if you want a file to be included in multiple scenes whats the correct syntax? Jun 23 21:57:11 or maybe i dont specify a scene, trying that Jun 23 21:57:31 yay Jun 23 21:58:20 yah don't specify the scene Jun 23 21:58:27 that was my exact dialog issue :P Jun 23 21:58:32 it had a scene specified Jun 23 21:59:01 my dialog comes up now and pushes up the content of my scene beyond the top of the display. Jun 23 21:59:12 when the dialog goes away, that content doesn't scroll back down :( Jun 23 21:59:15 sweet, i opened/created an sql db! Jun 23 21:59:44 hmm, thats not good Jun 23 22:00:44 DatePicker widget is pretty weak Jun 23 22:00:56 yeah, i'm using one too Jun 23 22:00:56 no way to specify that it shouldn't allow a date beyond today's date Jun 23 22:01:10 really? Jun 23 22:01:21 you can tell it max year Jun 23 22:01:41 that's it afaik Jun 23 22:01:46 you can't specify max day, max month Jun 23 22:01:48 just year Jun 23 22:01:50 :( Jun 23 22:02:05 it should be "today" away IMHO Jun 23 22:02:11 s/away/aware Jun 23 22:02:12 no kidding Jun 23 22:02:32 no easy way for a user to just say "today" either Jun 23 22:02:36 guess you could throw up a dialog telling the user they are an idiot for picking a date in the future Jun 23 22:02:55 so if the date is set to some far away date...they have to manually select each entry, day, moth, year just to select "today" Jun 23 22:03:11 yah I guess I'm going to have to do that :( Jun 23 22:03:21 guess you could throw a "today" button on there that gets todays date Jun 23 22:03:34 then manually set the date picker to todays date Jun 23 22:04:12 it should default to today when its created also Jun 23 22:05:19 well you pass in the model to the widget and in the model you specify the Date object. Jun 23 22:05:22 that could be any time Jun 23 22:06:07 HattCzech_work, are you here? Jun 23 22:06:11 yup Jun 23 22:06:14 what's up? Jun 23 22:06:25 what was your big plan? Jun 23 22:06:54 1. build WebOS app 2. PROFIT! Jun 23 22:07:09 profit is step 3! Jun 23 22:07:17 lies Jun 23 22:07:17 :) Jun 23 22:07:18 hemna: you just update the model with today's date/time when they click the button, call modelChanged, then save to db or whatever you're doing Jun 23 22:07:23 should be step 0 Jun 23 22:07:33 step 3 is too many steps! Jun 23 22:07:59 step 1) make webos app... step 2) ??? ... step 3) PROFIT! Jun 23 22:08:06 i've been over this with sugardave Jun 23 22:08:12 that is the conventional wisdom Jun 23 22:08:25 gotta think outside the box people Jun 23 22:08:30 hehe Jun 23 22:11:20 * HattCzech_work wonders why Nyceane keeps asking if i'm here, but then doesn't say anything after that :/ Jun 23 22:11:41 he's waiting for you to leave Jun 23 22:11:46 change your nick and be quiet a minute Jun 23 22:12:24 hehehe Jun 23 22:12:39 YOU'RE BLOWING IT Jun 23 22:16:06 maybe the secret police got Nyceane....and he was able to stash his Pre before they got to him, so he's still logged in Jun 23 22:16:23 but, alien abduction is far more likely Jun 23 22:16:35 indeed Jun 23 22:16:55 someone on the phone trying to sell me water Jun 23 22:17:19 EmmettLollis: tell them you'll straight trade for air Jun 23 22:17:26 lol Jun 23 22:17:32 but this water cures everything Jun 23 22:17:44 fixed diabetes and athritis Jun 23 22:17:44 oh, it's miracle water? that changes things Jun 23 22:18:08 yeah i have to come up with miracle air Jun 23 22:18:22 you should ask them why their so damn selfish...don't they want to cure people of diabetes and arthritis? Jun 23 22:18:28 they're Jun 23 22:18:31 jeez Jun 23 22:18:40 oooh, a webos app that you hold the phone next to water and it turns it magic Jun 23 22:19:07 I already thought of that...the "ionizer", just a big bright white vertical bar Jun 23 22:19:11 just make the phone vibrate a couple times to make it look like its doing something Jun 23 22:19:19 haha Jun 23 22:19:35 awesome Jun 23 22:19:49 Billy Mays could sell it....oh wait. Jun 23 22:19:53 hahaha Jun 23 22:20:11 nah he's hanging out with michael jackson on southpark now Jun 23 22:22:10 my pre keeps resetting itself Jun 23 22:22:18 ewps Jun 23 22:22:28 check the battery connection ? Jun 23 22:22:34 it started with the last webos update Jun 23 22:22:36 karma for making fun of Billy Mays Jun 23 22:22:47 maybe so Jun 23 22:26:43 maybe my pre keeps resetting because it's 81 degrees in here Jun 23 22:28:19 sugardave, "The DatePicker widget has no methods." Jun 23 22:28:36 how do I do a modelChanged ? Jun 23 22:29:32 I tried just changing the model's date, but that's not sufficient. Jun 23 22:29:42 this.dateModel.date = new Date(); Jun 23 22:31:36 this.controller.modelChanged(this.dateModel); Jun 23 22:31:40 are cookies the only way to store information? Jun 23 22:31:52 cookies, depot, SQLite Jun 23 22:32:03 sweet, sqlite is what i'm going for then :P Jun 23 22:33:23 haeffb, thanks! Jun 23 22:41:35 alright so I've looked around a few times Jun 23 22:41:42 and I do not see a lanyard hole on the pre Jun 23 22:45:46 this seems impossible...my service request to cancel a download works perfectly in the emulator (where I have a much bigger pipe) but seems to continue to download the file on my device (which is not on wifi) Jun 23 22:46:17 pre is stubborn. Jun 23 22:46:45 it's irritating, for sure Jun 23 22:47:08 and I can't make palm-log work to set info level Jun 23 22:48:40 ah, it's working today :s Jun 23 22:52:26 https://sourceforge.net/projects/rangebuddy/ Jun 23 22:52:35 got a SF project up and running :P Jun 23 23:03:07 HattCzech_work, are you here yet? =) Jun 23 23:05:05 yeah Jun 23 23:05:15 i've been here... what about you? :) Jun 23 23:08:46 does he have me blocked or ignored or something? :/ Jun 23 23:09:24 damn, man...it's like sometimes it successfully cancels and sometimes it doesn't. I can see sometimes it runs the onSuccess and other times it just completely ignores the serviceRequest Jun 23 23:11:44 Nyceane: do you have HattCzech_work on ignore? Jun 23 23:11:46 he is here Jun 23 23:12:00 * sugardave points at HattCzech_work. Jun 23 23:12:02 right there Jun 23 23:13:27 * BigBiff doesn't see HattCzech_work Jun 23 23:14:26 what's the format for escaping html in a template? #{-myvar} ? Jun 23 23:15:52 HattCzech_who ? Jun 23 23:16:22 haeffb: yes Jun 23 23:16:38 not working in my drawer... Jun 23 23:16:42 or ... Jun 23 23:16:53 \n doesn't give me a line break. Jun 23 23:16:57 crud Jun 23 23:17:16 \n is not HTML Jun 23 23:17:47 hehe, well at least someone can see me Jun 23 23:17:48 for now! Jun 23 23:17:53 * HattCzech_work hides behind the corner Jun 23 23:17:55 oh, escaping Jun 23 23:17:57 hmmm Jun 23 23:18:46 yeah. I have #{note} in my template, and if the note string is something like: "This is \n a note" Jun 23 23:18:52 bah, I will just track a this.canceled var and not play the sound if it's set, even if it finished downloading AFTER I CANCELED IT Jun 23 23:18:54 I get "This is a note" Jun 23 23:19:01 not "This is" Jun 23 23:19:03 "a note" Jun 23 23:19:26 don't esacpe and conver \n to
Jun 23 23:19:31 convert Jun 23 23:19:32 bah. Jun 23 23:19:52 the TextField creates it with \n Jun 23 23:20:03 put that into a div, and you lose the line breaks Jun 23 23:20:42 and I already used #{noteFormatted} somewhere else... Jun 23 23:47:25 leaving work, probably back on later... adios all Jun 23 23:47:51 awesome! Mojo.Format.runTextIndexer works with url, email, & phone numbers! Jun 23 23:48:26 return Mojo.Format.runTextIndexer(value.replace(/\n/g, "
")); Jun 23 23:49:06 gives me a div with line breaks & links for email addresses (opens email app), urls (opens browser) & phone numbers (opens dialer) Jun 23 23:55:59 anyone from india on here? Jun 23 23:56:13 not I Jun 23 23:56:23 just curious.... keep reading the forums Jun 23 23:56:33 any way to get a Spinner to show up inside an ImageView while the Image is being pulled down before it renders? Jun 23 23:57:27 I've never messed with image view, but that's a good question Jun 23 23:57:30 :) Jun 23 23:58:34 if not I'm sure you could cheat it with a new div at a higher z index Jun 23 23:58:39 seems like that should be the default Jun 23 23:59:09 scrim spinner with no background Jun 24 00:05:44 of course, (and I know nothing about the image viewer) what's the event that would turn the spinner off? Jun 24 00:09:22 looks like the ImageView doesn't have a hook to deal with the image loading completion Jun 24 00:09:34 I can see it in the log Jun 24 00:09:53 deactivate or something like that Jun 24 00:09:59 for the spinner Jun 24 00:10:13 funny thing is the button stays active Jun 24 00:10:24 so doesn't make sense, but what does Jun 24 00:10:54 well I meant for the image being rendered Jun 24 00:11:36 hmm Jun 24 00:11:42 progress bar/pill may work better for that Jun 24 00:11:50 i was thinking activity button when i answered Jun 24 00:12:29 ahh Jun 24 00:14:44 progress bar assumes you know the progress Jun 24 00:14:53 I'd be happy with a simple spinner Jun 24 00:14:59 until the image is done and then rendered Jun 24 00:15:15 it should be part of ImageView IMO Jun 24 00:15:27 ya Jun 24 00:15:28 and/or hooks to do it. Jun 24 00:20:07 ok off to Fry's then home....l8s Jun 24 00:43:14 hello Jun 24 00:43:16 ? Jun 24 00:43:48 Anyone home? Jun 24 00:43:57 just lurking. Jun 24 00:43:59 does not appear to be so. Jun 24 00:44:05 LOL Jun 24 00:44:21 anyone have any experience with the audio object? Jun 24 00:46:15 i haven't used it yet Jun 24 00:46:52 hi all Jun 24 00:47:05 hi Jun 24 00:47:33 * JenP waves Jun 24 00:47:56 slow channel Jun 24 00:48:16 I haven't been on here in years Jun 24 00:48:20 tough crowd i guess Jun 24 00:48:32 or maybe you just need better material Jun 24 00:48:35 LOL Jun 24 00:48:54 well, I was hoping for some help with audio Jun 24 00:48:59 c'est la vie Jun 24 00:49:07 haven't been on irc since 1998 Jun 24 00:49:13 seems like a bit of a broad request Jun 24 00:49:37 yes, but I didn't want to bore anyone if they didn't have experience with it Jun 24 00:51:14 The short version is I am trying to stream mp3 codec at 16kbps and I keep getting a codec error Jun 24 00:52:51 is a key really nessesary in an sql db? Jun 24 00:53:03 * EmmettLollis waves at JenP Jun 24 00:53:59 i thought they were Jun 24 00:54:12 EmmettLollis: http://www.sqlmag.com/article/systems-administrator/sql-by-design-how-to-choose-a-primary-key.aspx Jun 24 00:54:28 thanks bpadalino Jun 24 00:57:11 No they aren't Jun 24 00:57:40 you can create a table without a primary key but why would you want too? Jun 24 00:59:40 well, heres the deal... i have a primary db thats going to be keyed by date, no worries there... my 2nd db is a list of meals for the day.. that db will have date plus meal name.. can't use date+mealname as a key because there could be duplicates... i guess i'm going to have to add a hidden key to do it properly Jun 24 01:01:29 like date+meal number or something Jun 24 01:02:23 no Jun 24 01:02:54 sugardave!!! Jun 24 01:02:57 hiya Jun 24 01:03:08 what do you suggest sugardave? Jun 24 01:03:16 hey JenP Jun 24 01:03:29 Happy Wednesday!! Jun 24 01:03:35 you just store them with no primary key, and then select * where date = whatever Jun 24 01:04:04 you don't have to have them keyed unless you want them to be able to enter/edit details of the meal after they've been entered Jun 24 01:04:37 what if they want to delete one of the meals though? Jun 24 01:04:40 it's basically a transaction log with no details possible about said transaction beyond what other fields you make available at the time they're written Jun 24 01:04:48 well then you'd have to have a key Jun 24 01:05:17 are there functions to auto generate a key? Jun 24 01:05:35 use a timestamp Jun 24 01:05:44 Ooooh, i like that Jun 24 01:06:07 or set an auto_generating primary key Jun 24 01:06:49 timestamp sounds easier Jun 24 01:07:01 i can just hide it from the user Jun 24 01:07:54 ok i need help setting up text fields, i'm lost as exactly what all i need to have Jun 24 01:08:33 Wolvenhaven: ok what do you have now? Jun 24 01:08:44 just the html divs in the scene Jun 24 01:09:01 i wanted to see how it looked before writing any handling code, but aparently i can't Jun 24 01:09:04 what are you developing in? Jun 24 01:09:09 eclipse Jun 24 01:09:44 well you need to set up the textfield widget in your .js file Jun 24 01:11:10 ok Jun 24 01:11:19 do you know how? Jun 24 01:12:01 yea Jun 24 01:12:38 ok got it, thanks Jun 24 01:12:55 kk Jun 24 01:15:11 EmmettLollis: just by making a field be the primary integer key, it auto_icrements, I believe Jun 24 01:15:21 increments, too Jun 24 01:15:25 it does Jun 24 01:15:46 heh, gotta add a scroller to that, way too much stuff to fit the screen Jun 24 01:18:47 merphie: I know a little bit about audio objects, but nothing about streaming them Jun 24 01:22:01 awesome, the API has code that doesn't work :P Jun 24 01:31:54 lively discussions this evening.. I like it Jun 24 01:32:09 Wolvenhaven: are you insuating there are bugs in Mojo? Jun 24 01:32:15 insinuating Jun 24 01:32:16 gah Jun 24 01:32:51 bugs in software? never. Jun 24 01:32:58 lol Jun 24 01:33:10 it's missing a single ' in one of the code snippets :P Jun 24 01:33:24 just one? Jun 24 01:33:29 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1929&Itemid=239 in instantiation :P Jun 24 01:33:33 lucky Jun 24 01:33:33 yep, just one Jun 24 01:34:25 heh, indeed Jun 24 01:37:18 my app looks like shit, but this is fun Jun 24 01:39:28 can someone help me with widgets in a list? Jun 24 01:39:53 sure Jun 24 01:40:29 sugardave is a pro with drawers in lists Jun 24 01:40:35 :p Jun 24 01:40:44 the example isn't getting it for me....basically I want to create a list, with togglebuttons Jun 24 01:41:15 one button per row, right? Jun 24 01:41:38 Chriswebos: see webos101.com Jun 24 01:41:40 right...and I want to be able to identify which button is set to true/false or on/off Jun 24 01:42:12 i went there a cople weeks ago and didnt' see a widgetlist example...let me check now Jun 24 01:42:19 http://webos101.com/List_Widget_With_Checkbox_Example Jun 24 01:42:20 should be there Jun 24 01:42:29 yep Jun 24 01:42:31 That's what I used. works perfectly Jun 24 01:44:03 weird, one of my push scenes isn't working, the others are, but not this one, and it's identical to the others Jun 24 01:44:49 hmmm...actally, i saw that one...somehow i forgot about it...i even coded it up some, but didn't see it...must be this cabbage soup diet has my brain fried Jun 24 01:45:09 thanks Jun 24 01:46:54 wtf, this makes no sense, why would a button suddenly break for no reason? :P Jun 24 01:46:58 cause i questioned the API gods? Jun 24 01:47:09 exactly Jun 24 01:47:40 i mean legitimately, cept for different id names, these two buttons are IDENTICAL, one works, the other doesn't Jun 24 01:49:16 you doing any error logging? Jun 24 01:49:16 ok, it has something to do with the scene i'm pushing it to Jun 24 01:49:40 i switched the buttons push locations and now it works and the other broke, so it's the scene i'm pushing that isn't loading Jun 24 01:50:51 found it Jun 24 02:04:45 sugardave, you still there? Jun 24 02:18:37 welp Jun 24 02:18:37 tornado sirens going off, tv keeps telling me to take cover.. wtf this is michigan.. oh well.. going offline ;p Jun 24 02:18:38 lol Jun 24 02:18:38 totally ruined my southpark watching Jun 24 02:18:38 see, this is why i live in socal Jun 24 02:18:38 no tornadoes Jun 24 02:18:38 fire, yes Jun 24 02:18:38 earthquakes, yes Jun 24 02:18:38 ive got my flashlight and a fully charged pre and macbook, im good Jun 24 02:18:38 but no tornadoes Jun 24 02:18:38 and i need to install updates on this machine anyways Jun 24 02:32:04 radiotime's rockin some fly electro stations Jun 24 02:39:54 Yes use an auto gen key. dump keys are the best to use in db Jun 24 02:41:37 + Jun 24 02:55:51 Does the app store description accept new lines? or does the description have to be all one paragraph? Jun 24 02:56:10 ok, i got a book reader app and i'm supposed to copy over my ebooks to the phone, is there a specific place or should i just create a books dir? Jun 24 02:58:06 Any css gurus around? Jun 24 02:58:43 yea **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010