**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010
Jun 24 03:02:37 <Roy-Pre101> nevermind!  It turned out to be much easier than I thought.
Jun 24 03:54:22 <HattCzech> what's the best way to store files locally (for export/import)?
Jun 24 03:55:04 <dawm> in the usb drive area
Jun 24 03:55:31 <Wolvenhaven> i think i'm going to break this wireless charging hockey puck, i keep messing with it cause it's so cool
Jun 24 03:56:01 <HattCzech> dawm: okay, how? :)
Jun 24 03:56:12 <dawm> um
Jun 24 03:56:13 <HattCzech> i figured that was the best location ;)
Jun 24 03:57:05 <dawm>  /media/internal/
Jun 24 03:57:54 <dawm> like ringtones are in /media/internal/ringtones/Anticipation.mp3
Jun 24 03:59:00 <HattCzech> hehe, yeah, i know that... i'm wondering how i can save a JSON file or something as txt on /media/internal
Jun 24 03:59:27 <dawm> you could download it, but youd have to post it to a server then fetch it back
Jun 24 03:59:48 <sugardave> download it as mimetype text (I don't know what it is) with download manager and name it whatever you want
Jun 24 03:59:50 <HattCzech> that's what i had found so far, which i don't really want to do
Jun 24 04:00:10 <dawm> dave could you use downloadmanager to save contents of a variable?
Jun 24 04:00:14 <HattCzech> but sugardave, i need a URI for that, right?
Jun 24 04:00:17 <dawm> or must it be a url
Jun 24 04:00:17 <sugardave> what are you trying to do?
Jun 24 04:00:23 <sugardave> I just got back on
Jun 24 04:00:25 <sugardave> no log
Jun 24 04:00:31 <HattCzech> i'm wondering how i can save a JSON file or something as txt on /media/internal
Jun 24 04:00:50 <sugardave> you mean an included json file?
Jun 24 04:00:56 <HattCzech> a created one
Jun 24 04:01:00 <dawm> he wants to export / import
Jun 24 04:01:03 <HattCzech> an object... stored as json
Jun 24 04:01:03 <sugardave> comes with the app
Jun 24 04:01:08 <sugardave> oh, not happening
Jun 24 04:01:10 <sugardave> sorry
Jun 24 04:01:21 <sugardave> you can't do data URIs with download manager
Jun 24 04:01:26 <dawm> yeah youd have to post it to a server and then fetch it back with downloadmanger
Jun 24 04:01:40 <sugardave> you can do it on the emulator, because you can hit localhost:8080
Jun 24 04:03:46 <dawm> im working on my next quick app.. wish i would have thought of it back at the beginning of the hot apps promo, and i wish free apps didnt require $50 fee, so this will be a web catalog release
Jun 24 04:04:50 <HattCzech> hmmm, that's only very irritating :)
Jun 24 04:05:13 <sugardave> yeah, it blows
Jun 24 04:05:28 <Roy-Pre101> Arrrrggghhhhh!
Jun 24 04:06:01 <dawm> and to make it worse i gotta buy a bunch of somethign i hate.. coke
Jun 24 04:06:09 <sugardave> did Lucy pull the football again?
Jun 24 04:06:23 <Roy-Pre101> I have a footer in my scene...  If the phone is rotated when the scene pushes it will position correctly when you rotate the phone.  If the phone is in portrait when the scene pushes the footer disappears when you go into landscape
Jun 24 04:09:33 <HattCzech> i don't suppose anyone from palm is in here?
Jun 24 04:10:03 <HattCzech> (i know we're a fun bunch, but i wouldn't expect them to be around after work)
Jun 24 04:10:23 <torchie> I've always wondered if employees hang out in the irc channels
Jun 24 04:10:37 <HattCzech> there are a few, yeah
Jun 24 04:10:37 <torchie> or at least on the forums to see what the users want or something
Jun 24 04:10:49 <torchie> are they under NDA?
Jun 24 04:11:00 <HattCzech> usually during the working hours ;) (9-5 PST)
Jun 24 04:11:11 <torchie> in here?
Jun 24 04:11:23 <HattCzech> you're under NDA no matter where you are
Jun 24 04:15:11 <torchie> weak
Jun 24 04:15:51 <HattCzech> heheh, yeah
Jun 24 04:15:59 <HattCzech> but the rules are the rules
Jun 24 04:33:47 <Tibfib> yay or nay on darker blue chat bubble:http://tibfib.com/apps/mojomessenger/grey.PNG
Jun 24 04:36:03 <rwhitby> nay, unless you're wanting to make it look hidden
Jun 24 04:36:36 <Tibfib> no. I'm not. I'm trying to find a good third color for chat bubbles.
Jun 24 04:45:03 <HattCzech> rwhitby: can i save a JSON file or something as txt on /media/internal ? (i've talked to a few people, and the consensus is no, unless i post to a page and download from there)
Jun 24 04:46:09 <rwhitby> HattCzech: with homebrew, it's trivial.  with official app catalog possible stuff, it's impossible.
Jun 24 04:46:24 <HattCzech> that's what i was afraid of
Jun 24 04:46:32 <HattCzech> okay, thanks for the confirmation
Jun 24 04:46:37 <hemna> too big for a cookie?
Jun 24 04:46:50 <HattCzech> probably
Jun 24 04:47:02 <HattCzech> i'm trying to pass it to another app as a launchparam
Jun 24 04:47:09 <HattCzech> but i'm not sure if palm will like that or not :/
Jun 24 04:47:22 <HattCzech> (passing to a homebrew com.palm named app)
Jun 24 04:47:49 <rwhitby> HattCzech: heh, if it wasn't a com.palm named app I expect they should have no issue
Jun 24 04:48:18 <HattCzech> exactly... if it wasn't :) but it is, so i'm trying to figure out a way around
Jun 24 05:03:00 <torchie> ugh
Jun 24 05:03:04 <torchie> I think the camera app broke
Jun 24 05:03:18 <HattCzech> if i want the language of a device... do i need to do getCurrentLocale and split on the _ ?
Jun 24 05:06:42 <sugardave> save your param as a contact and read it in from your homebrew app
Jun 24 05:07:13 <sugardave> or a calendar entry
Jun 24 05:07:29 <HattCzech> meh
Jun 24 05:07:34 <HattCzech> i'll just pass it directly
Jun 24 05:07:40 <HattCzech> since that's what i want to do anyway
Jun 24 05:07:56 <sugardave> then I'm failing to understand the problem
Jun 24 05:08:30 <HattCzech> using export/import would avoid me doing things on my server
Jun 24 05:09:22 <sugardave> right....
Jun 24 05:10:44 <sugardave> I'm just speculating here....but if I made a contact named somethingtolookfor_prop value, that might yield a workaround
Jun 24 05:11:23 <sugardave> I wonder if you can save a JSON string in a contact's field
Jun 24 05:11:40 <sugardave> is it possible to add/read contacts, I have no idea
Jun 24 05:20:26 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 24 05:20:44 <discombobulate> how do i go about making an rssfeed open links in a webview, and not the browser?
Jun 24 05:21:42 <sugardave> something about listening for the tap, then stopping event propagation/grab the url, then open it in your webview
Jun 24 05:22:07 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 24 05:22:27 <discombobulate> i think i can make sense of that.. thanks for pointing me in the proper direction
Jun 24 05:23:47 <sugardave> I've not played with stopping events, so I can't offer anything more specific :D
Jun 24 05:24:06 <discombobulate> gotcha
Jun 24 05:24:16 <discombobulate> i think that might be enough.. something to go on atleast
Jun 24 05:36:26 <dawm> well the mock UI for MCR is looking pretty nice.. hope i can make it all work
Jun 24 06:07:48 <kesne> Bah
Jun 24 06:07:50 <kesne> Hey all
Jun 24 06:09:10 <kesne> Everybody should check out Checkers 2
Jun 24 06:11:13 <kesne> Is rwhitby around in here?
Jun 24 06:11:20 <kesne> Or is he in Internals?
Jun 24 06:11:30 <DaveSoft> I have a CSS question, if anyone is willing: I have a div in a scene with a black background. I want the div to fill the entire scene, but I can't seem to get it to do that. I'm using margin: 0px, and width: 100% and height: 100%, but it's a no go... ideas?
Jun 24 06:11:36 * rwhitby is everywhere
Jun 24 06:11:46 <kesne> Hey rwhitby!
Jun 24 06:12:07 <rwhitby> Hey kesne!
Jun 24 06:12:16 <kesne> DaveSoft: Just set the height and width to 320 and 480 respectivly.
Jun 24 06:12:57 <DaveSoft> kesne: I tried height: 480px and it make it too large and it started to scroll... I guess I could try to figure out how to disable the automatic vertical scroll... hmmmm
Jun 24 06:13:15 <kesne> DaveSoft: you can do that when you push the scene
Jun 24 06:13:29 <DaveSoft> ah, ok, I'll check out the API
Jun 24 06:13:31 <kesne> let me find the code
Jun 24 06:13:35 <DaveSoft> thx for the ideas :)
Jun 24 06:13:57 <kesne> No worries
Jun 24 06:14:04 <kesne> I love helping fellow devs
Jun 24 06:14:30 <kesne> rwhitby: So I know you're pretty anal about security, would you mind taking a look at some stuff?
Jun 24 06:15:42 <kesne> DaveSoft: this.controller.stageController.pushScene( {name: 'gam',disableSceneScroller: true 	  });
Jun 24 06:15:45 <kesne> That should do the trick
Jun 24 06:15:54 <kesne> Of course replace name with your scene name
Jun 24 06:18:11 <kesne> I love prototype
Jun 24 06:18:15 <kesne> Even though it sucks
Jun 24 06:18:22 <kesne> I love jQuery though
Jun 24 06:18:38 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 24 06:19:01 <kesne> discombobulate: care to elaborate?
Jun 24 06:19:21 <discombobulate> eh?
Jun 24 06:19:45 <discombobulate> hrm is the sound of one thinking
Jun 24 06:19:55 <kesne> Yes, but I'm wondering what about
Jun 24 06:19:57 <DaveSoft> kesne: sweet, that worked, thanks! (good timing, I was trying pushscene('name',{disableSceneScroller: true}); and it didn't work :P   )
Jun 24 06:20:18 <discombobulate> oh.. nothing really.. just in general i suppose
Jun 24 06:20:52 <discombobulate> that code you pasted will help me later, methinks
Jun 24 06:21:10 <kesne> DaveSoft: No worries, if you need anything else, let me know.
Jun 24 06:21:15 <kesne> discombobulate: oh? Sweet.
Jun 24 06:21:37 <discombobulate> do you happen to have any secrets about making an rssfeed push to a webview and now the browser?
Jun 24 06:21:38 <kesne> Turns out I'm not too bad of a dev after all :D
Jun 24 06:21:48 <discombobulate> now/not
Jun 24 06:22:07 <kesne> Set up a webview and throw up the URL for the feed?
Jun 24 06:22:15 <discombobulate> yeah?
Jun 24 06:22:20 <discombobulate> it can't be that simple
Jun 24 06:22:26 <kesne> It probably is
Jun 24 06:22:50 <kesne> Though it's way funner to parse all of the XML goodness and display it prettierly
Jun 24 06:23:21 <discombobulate> well, i don't about funner :)
Jun 24 06:23:29 <rwhitby> kesne: what's the URL for what you want me to look at?
Jun 24 06:23:41 <kesne> rwhitby: not a URL, an app
Jun 24 06:23:55 <kesne> rwhitby: Checkers 2.0 launched today, and it adds in online play
Jun 24 06:24:16 <rwhitby> so I have two strings, which have numbers (usually integers, but possibly floating point) in them, and I want to compare the magnitude of the numbers in javascript.  any tips?
Jun 24 06:24:37 <kesne> discombobulate: Oh it's much funner.
Jun 24 06:24:52 <rwhitby> kesne: what are you using for the unique id passed to the server?
Jun 24 06:24:52 <kesne> rwhitby: You lost me at magnitude.
Jun 24 06:25:06 <rwhitby> kesne: whether one number is larger than the other
Jun 24 06:25:10 <discombobulate> ah it just spit out the code, no feed list
Jun 24 06:25:27 <kesne> rwhitby: users set up accounts with usernames and passwords, we pass the username to the server
Jun 24 06:25:28 <discombobulate> heh. i believe our ideas are fun might be different ;)
Jun 24 06:25:39 <kesne> discombobulate: they most likely are, heh
Jun 24 06:26:21 <kesne> rwhitby: Why not just use parseFloat() and then a simple > or <
Jun 24 06:28:08 <rwhitby> kesne: looks like +foo < +bar is more efficient, but yeah, parseFloat() is probably clearer
Jun 24 06:28:18 * rwhitby found http://www.jibbering.com/faq/notes/type-conversion/
Jun 24 06:29:12 <kesne> rwhitby: So security...
Jun 24 06:29:27 <rwhitby> kesne: yep, I've been waiting for the question
Jun 24 06:29:41 <kesne> rwhitby: Well you asked me what I'm using
Jun 24 06:29:43 <kesne> And I told you
Jun 24 06:30:04 <kesne> Seems like you had more to say after that
Jun 24 06:30:57 <discombobulate> not bad for a first app.. 4 days.. 400 downloads.. wonder how many were keepers
Jun 24 06:31:07 <rwhitby> kesne: nope.  assuming you're using a https connection to the server, that should be secure.
Jun 24 06:31:26 <kesne> rwhitby: Well, I'm not
Jun 24 06:31:30 <kesne> Good old http :D
Jun 24 06:31:41 <kesne> discombobulate: not bad.
Jun 24 06:31:52 <kesne> discombobulate: what's your app?
Jun 24 06:32:20 <discombobulate> kesne; track-it hurricane tracker
Jun 24 06:32:24 <kesne> Ah
Jun 24 06:32:31 <kesne> That's pretty solid for a hurrican tracker
Jun 24 06:33:35 <discombobulate> i had to do a lot of offsite hosting to get it to work right
Jun 24 06:33:58 <kesne> discombobulate: I wouldn't even try to take on something like that, heh
Jun 24 06:34:01 <kesne> I hate server work
Jun 24 06:34:09 <discombobulate> but once you realize wget, perl, and crontab are your friends, it's all fun
Jun 24 06:34:23 <kesne> I "pay" Roy (pre101) to do all of mine
Jun 24 06:34:42 <discombobulate> that works too :)
Jun 24 06:34:54 <kesne> Heh
Jun 24 06:35:02 <kesne> I've come to love Ajax though
Jun 24 06:35:14 <kesne> I use it heavily on Checker 2 and on the new Keen Studios site
Jun 24 06:35:34 <kesne> s/checker/checkers
Jun 24 06:35:42 <discombobulate> nice
Jun 24 06:36:10 <kesne> Is your app in the official catalog? I can't seem to find it
Jun 24 06:36:29 <discombobulate> it should be
Jun 24 06:36:34 <kesne> hmm
Jun 24 06:36:43 <kesne> It might just be the search algorithm
Jun 24 06:37:13 <kesne> How many sales/downloads are you seeing from outside the US?
Jun 24 06:37:14 <dawm> well the UI is pretty much done for my next quick app, now to dig into its code
Jun 24 06:37:41 <kesne> Dawm: Hey!
Jun 24 06:37:44 <discombobulate> it just does the us, so i imagine none :)
Jun 24 06:37:54 <dawm> hey kesne
Jun 24 06:38:01 <kesne> discombobulate: oh, heh
Jun 24 06:38:09 <kesne> discombobulate: Because for me, it's pretty low
Jun 24 06:38:20 <kesne> discombobulate: Seeing about 1-3% from outside the US
Jun 24 06:38:24 <kesne> Dawm: UI is easy
Jun 24 06:38:28 <kesne> I love UI
Jun 24 06:38:31 <discombobulate> interesting
Jun 24 06:38:36 <kesne> It's what I do best.
Jun 24 06:39:18 <kesne> discombobulate: Yeah, only like 1000 downloads outside the US on Checkers.
Jun 24 06:39:21 <kesne> Pretty sucky
Jun 24 06:40:02 <discombobulate> wonder why
Jun 24 06:40:10 <discombobulate> maybe they don't get the same access
Jun 24 06:40:14 <kesne> Smaller market, I'd imagine
Jun 24 06:40:16 <kesne> No idea
Jun 24 06:40:28 <kesne> I just wish users would update apps
Jun 24 06:40:44 <discombobulate> i check mine daily for updates
Jun 24 06:41:10 <kesne> The Checkers beta took 2 days for the number new to pass number old
Jun 24 06:41:46 <discombobulate> slackers
Jun 24 06:41:52 <kesne> Only like 3000 users upgraded today
Jun 24 06:42:02 <dawm> heres a teaser.. altho not affiliated with the company, just doing it as a quick free app cause someone requested it.. i prefer the green stuff ;p
Jun 24 06:42:07 <dawm> http://www.biocandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/mcr_mock.png
Jun 24 06:42:22 <discombobulate> the greener the better
Jun 24 06:42:37 <discombobulate> oh sweet
Jun 24 06:42:40 <discombobulate> i need one of those
Jun 24 06:42:51 <kesne> nice
Jun 24 06:43:08 <kesne> The 3000 might sound like a lot, but that's only 3% of the install base
Jun 24 06:43:30 <kesne> dawm: you're better at UI than me
Jun 24 06:43:40 <dawm> more years doing it my friend :P
Jun 24 06:43:41 <discombobulate> yeah looks slick
Jun 24 06:44:05 <kesne> Dawm: but I'm a kid!
Jun 24 06:44:11 <dawm> only thing that isnt original is the logos
Jun 24 06:44:24 <kesne> Look at what I did today though: http://keen-studios.net
Jun 24 06:44:33 <kesne> That's about 5 hours of work
Jun 24 06:44:37 <discombobulate> kept the coke theme going.. looks official
Jun 24 06:44:51 <kesne> And it breaks alot
Jun 24 06:44:58 <kesne> and it runs too fast
Jun 24 06:45:01 <dawm> yeah they stuttered across my screen
Jun 24 06:45:14 <dawm> the house needs a chimney
Jun 24 06:45:18 <dawm> i thought it was an arrow
Jun 24 06:45:25 <kesne> dawm: Oh?
Jun 24 06:45:31 <kesne> Once it loads looks fine
Jun 24 06:45:36 <kesne> but while it's loading it sucks
Jun 24 06:45:37 <discombobulate> yeah i concur on the house
Jun 24 06:46:05 <kesne> I'll throw one on tomorrow
Jun 24 06:46:07 <dawm> no more blog?
Jun 24 06:46:31 <kesne> dawm: not right now
Jun 24 06:46:36 <kesne> Nobody ever updated it
Jun 24 06:46:40 <dawm> heh
Jun 24 06:46:50 <kesne> The new website isn't done anyways
Jun 24 06:46:55 <kesne> It might reappear
Jun 24 06:47:12 <dawm> ahh ok
Jun 24 06:47:23 <kesne> FYI the stats on the left are completely live
Jun 24 06:47:50 <dawm> yah i figured as much P:
Jun 24 06:47:59 <kesne> Heh
Jun 24 06:48:29 <kesne> 2887 games played is quite a bit
Jun 24 06:48:42 <kesne> Consitering at the beginning of today it was 2300
Jun 24 06:49:03 <dawm> one of them is me
Jun 24 06:49:14 <discombobulate> i don't think i have enough time to play checkers
Jun 24 06:49:24 <discombobulate> it'd have to be one of those chess games that takes years to finish
Jun 24 06:49:24 <dawm> bastard i was playing against took foooooorever to make his move, then he left early
Jun 24 06:49:35 <kesne> dawm: I hate those people.
Jun 24 06:49:35 <dawm> i was waiting for it to be time to punch out and go home
Jun 24 06:49:51 <dawm> infact i dozed off waiting for this guy to make a move (altho i was pretty tired)
Jun 24 06:49:52 <kesne> dawm: we're working on a game timer for the next version
Jun 24 06:50:02 <dawm> oh yeah
Jun 24 06:50:14 <kesne> dawm: along with a stat server, so when someone leaves it tracks it, and everyone can see
Jun 24 06:50:16 <dawm> you should make the last piece moved by the other player slightly different
Jun 24 06:50:21 <dawm> sometimes i didnt notice where they moved
Jun 24 06:50:23 <kesne> That's also in the works
Jun 24 06:51:09 <kesne> dawm: when he left, it popped up a notification, right?
Jun 24 06:52:37 <discombobulate> alright.. enough rssfeed play for one night.. back to idle land
Jun 24 06:52:40 <rwhitby> dawm: did you score a win by forfeit ?
Jun 24 06:52:42 <discombobulate> g'night folks
Jun 24 06:52:54 <kesne> Night!
Jun 24 06:53:37 <kesne> I'm heading out as well
Jun 24 06:53:55 <kesne> Was a fun day, nice to be back in webOS land
Jun 24 06:54:12 <kesne> night
Jun 24 06:54:37 <dawm> same
Jun 24 06:54:43 <dawm> rwhitby, no i didnt
Jun 24 06:55:03 <rwhitby> dawm: sounds like a bug to me :)
Jun 24 06:55:39 <dawm> kesne, ping! new bug
Jun 24 07:11:42 <EmmettLollis> ahh, just got done creating a 43 minute electrical storm time lapse :) - time to get back to my app
Jun 24 07:48:21 <jhojho> EmmettLollis: url?
Jun 24 07:51:17 <oddalot> oh, you mean you shot it
Jun 24 07:51:22 <EmmettLollis> http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1397943262834&ref=mf
Jun 24 07:51:28 <oddalot> i thought you meant you created the electrical storm for a minute
Jun 24 07:51:36 <EmmettLollis> heh
Jun 24 07:52:54 <oddalot> my netbook is too slow to play that video :(
Jun 24 07:53:22 <EmmettLollis> hate when that happens
Jun 24 07:53:38 <oddalot> well...i have a faster computer, but i use it for my tv
Jun 24 07:53:47 <EmmettLollis> ahh
Jun 24 07:53:49 <oddalot> i need to figure out a way to make this setup better i guess
Jun 24 07:54:38 <EmmettLollis> i used to switch between monitor and tv for gaming
Jun 24 07:54:47 <oddalot> well...
Jun 24 07:54:52 <oddalot> i have this really long vga cable
Jun 24 07:55:08 <oddalot> but it's so long it creates a bad picture
Jun 24 07:55:17 <EmmettLollis> not good
Jun 24 07:55:30 <oddalot> i know, it was like 30 bucks too
Jun 24 07:55:37 <oddalot> angers me much
Jun 24 07:55:46 <EmmettLollis> ouch
Jun 24 07:56:02 <EmmettLollis> i had like a 12' hdmi if i remember right
Jun 24 07:56:18 <oddalot> well...this is analog i'm using
Jun 24 07:56:39 <oddalot> i wonder if digital goes farther?
Jun 24 07:56:45 <EmmettLollis> big screen monitor :)
Jun 24 07:57:00 <oddalot> what is it?
Jun 24 07:57:22 <EmmettLollis> the one i have is 22" i think
Jun 24 07:57:33 <EmmettLollis> but i sit close so its good
Jun 24 07:57:38 <oddalot> hehe
Jun 24 07:57:56 <EmmettLollis> the ex kept my hdtv
Jun 24 07:58:04 <oddalot> i just built my first practice pre app
Jun 24 07:58:13 <EmmettLollis> nice
Jun 24 07:58:19 <oddalot> i've never used javascript though
Jun 24 07:58:28 <oddalot> but i kinda hacked away successfully
Jun 24 07:58:31 <EmmettLollis> i've been working on my first app for something like a week
Jun 24 07:58:40 <oddalot> never good with the this command
Jun 24 07:59:00 <EmmettLollis> i used to do a lot of C++ so that helps
Jun 24 07:59:05 <jhojho> nice
Jun 24 07:59:07 <oddalot> luckily i have some ruby on rails experience, sot the model, view, controller scheme i'm used to
Jun 24 07:59:18 <oddalot> sot = so
Jun 24 07:59:33 <oddalot> yeah, never done c++ either
Jun 24 07:59:36 <EmmettLollis> i tried to code in c++ again the other day... its nothing like i remembered
Jun 24 07:59:46 <oddalot> lol, i wish i had learned that language
Jun 24 07:59:50 <oddalot> i only know c, and poorly
Jun 24 08:00:08 <EmmettLollis> the main difference is classes
Jun 24 08:00:16 <oddalot> i'm lack the worst programmer, but i can hack together some code like no ones business
Jun 24 08:00:20 <EmmettLollis> a class is pretty much a struct that has functions in it
Jun 24 08:00:32 <oddalot> cool
Jun 24 08:00:38 <oddalot> yeah, never seen classes
Jun 24 08:00:53 <EmmettLollis> then they keep making it more and more complicated
Jun 24 08:00:54 <oddalot> oh wait, don't they have those in regular java?
Jun 24 08:00:59 <EmmettLollis> now i hardly recognize it
Jun 24 08:01:05 <EmmettLollis> yeah
Jun 24 08:01:15 <oddalot> yeah, i made a few programs in java
Jun 24 08:01:18 <EmmettLollis> in javascript also in some form
Jun 24 08:02:21 <oddalot> i'm sure i will pick it up over time
Jun 24 08:02:27 <EmmettLollis> yeah
Jun 24 08:02:37 <oddalot> i doubt the programs i want to write need to be written with too much elegance anyway
Jun 24 08:02:48 <EmmettLollis> its all a matter of practice and maybe a good book, though i admit i haven't gotten many programming books lately
Jun 24 08:03:19 <EmmettLollis> they keep wanting me to pay money for them... something i dont have at the moment
Jun 24 08:03:23 <oddalot> hey, does the emulator have sound built in?
Jun 24 08:03:39 <EmmettLollis> hmm, let me see
Jun 24 08:04:56 <EmmettLollis> trying to think of a standard app on the pre that has sound outside of music/ringers
Jun 24 08:05:17 <oddalot> oh yeah
Jun 24 08:05:25 <oddalot> forgot i don't have pandora on the emulator
Jun 24 08:06:01 <EmmettLollis> i would think it would have sound but idk for sure
Jun 24 08:07:29 <oddalot> googling
Jun 24 08:08:09 <oddalot> says something about wavs and such
Jun 24 08:08:13 <oddalot> but no system sounds
Jun 24 08:12:31 <EmmettLollis> i had to restructure my html5 table... now when i go to create it using the new format it returns an error... i tried deleting my app but the old table is still there... how can i wipe the old one on the emulator?
Jun 24 08:13:43 <oddalot> weird
Jun 24 08:13:50 <oddalot> did you try closing down the emulator
Jun 24 08:14:04 <EmmettLollis> i did a reset but didn't try closing it yet
Jun 24 08:14:16 <EmmettLollis> figure it would still be there
Jun 24 08:14:56 <oddalot> worth a try
Jun 24 08:15:05 <oddalot> you repackaged and reinstalled right?
Jun 24 08:15:08 <EmmettLollis> there doesn't appear to be sound on the emulator.. played the ring tones and nothing happened
Jun 24 08:15:26 <EmmettLollis> just debugging through ares
Jun 24 08:15:41 <oddalot> oh, i've never used ares
Jun 24 08:16:31 <EmmettLollis> doing an "erase apps & data" from device info
Jun 24 08:16:34 <EmmettLollis> that should do it
Jun 24 08:17:05 <EmmettLollis> funny thing is everything seems to take just as long on the emulator
Jun 24 08:17:23 <EmmettLollis> like they slow it down on purpose
Jun 24 08:17:45 <oddalot> hehe
Jun 24 08:18:13 <EmmettLollis> watch as "erase apps & data" formats my pc hard drive
Jun 24 08:19:14 <EmmettLollis> wow, it's still working on it
Jun 24 08:25:24 <EmmettLollis> ok its still running that
Jun 24 08:25:27 <EmmettLollis> dare i reset
Jun 24 08:26:41 <DaveSoft> lol that sounds iffy...
Jun 24 08:27:00 <EmmettLollis> i just reset it and it came back up with everything still installed
Jun 24 08:27:02 <EmmettLollis> ugh
Jun 24 08:27:06 <DaveSoft> doh
Jun 24 08:27:36 <EmmettLollis> trying to wipe off a db i created in my app because i re-structured the table
Jun 24 08:27:52 <EmmettLollis> i deleted the app but table is still there when i run my app again
Jun 24 08:28:08 <DaveSoft> are you using HTML5 or Depot?
Jun 24 08:28:14 <EmmettLollis> html5
Jun 24 08:28:59 <DaveSoft> you can try changing the version of your app..... I think it's linked
Jun 24 08:29:32 <EmmettLollis> ok, i'll give it a shot
Jun 24 08:30:09 <DaveSoft> all else fails, you might wanna look up the SQL to remove a table ( just 'drop table' if I remember...)
Jun 24 08:30:20 <DaveSoft> actually, that might be the better option
Jun 24 08:31:12 <DaveSoft> yeah, sql syntax is 'DROP TABLE tableName'
Jun 24 08:31:50 <EmmettLollis> ahh coolness
Jun 24 08:31:55 <EmmettLollis> yeah, version didn't fix it
Jun 24 08:34:35 <EmmettLollis> yay!!!
Jun 24 08:34:47 <EmmettLollis> dave Rocks!
Jun 24 08:35:11 <EmmettLollis> the sad thing is i did a LOT of SQL at my last programming job
Jun 24 08:35:28 <EmmettLollis> i haven't got much retention from it
Jun 24 08:35:56 <EmmettLollis> probably because most of my job was fixing robots that went crazy
Jun 24 08:36:02 <DaveSoft> :) glad that worked... also found this:
Jun 24 08:36:05 <DaveSoft> Use the version property to facilitate schema changes; if both a name and version are specified, both must match or an error is returned. If the database doesn't exist, then it will be created.
Jun 24 08:36:15 <EmmettLollis> Ooooh
Jun 24 08:36:29 <DaveSoft> so when you create the database it should look like: myDB = openDatabase(name:"thisDB", version:"1")
Jun 24 08:36:29 <EmmettLollis> db version... i was changing my app version lol
Jun 24 08:36:37 <DaveSoft> I was thinking app version :)
Jun 24 08:36:48 <DaveSoft> but I was mistaken, I was surprised that changing the version didn't fix it
Jun 24 08:37:07 <DaveSoft> this is probably better... having extra DBs hanging around isn't good... take up space...
Jun 24 08:37:14 <EmmettLollis> right
Jun 24 08:37:24 <EmmettLollis> esp since i can't seem to delete them from the emulator :/
Jun 24 08:37:29 <DaveSoft> lol
Jun 24 08:37:51 <DaveSoft> hmmm... you could probably delete it from PuTTY...
Jun 24 08:38:04 <EmmettLollis> i'm just so glad that i found code to setup my tables
Jun 24 08:38:20 <DaveSoft> they store in /media/internal ... or so it says in the docs :)
Jun 24 08:38:28 <EmmettLollis> ahh, interesting
Jun 24 08:38:30 <DaveSoft> you mean to create the table structure?
Jun 24 08:38:41 <EmmettLollis> yeah
Jun 24 08:38:46 <DaveSoft> what kind of data are you storing? if you don't mind me asking
Jun 24 08:39:39 <EmmettLollis> its a diet app.. 2 tables... first holds date, weight, day's calories, day's carbs
Jun 24 08:39:51 <EmmettLollis> 2nd table holds the meals for the day
Jun 24 08:40:11 <DaveSoft> You could probably use depot... have you looked into it?
Jun 24 08:40:35 <EmmettLollis> only problem is i want to store several meals for each day
Jun 24 08:41:05 <EmmettLollis> couldn't find a way to make depot do it in a nice way
Jun 24 08:41:17 <DaveSoft> I would probably create a Profile Object which holds an array of meals... I think depot could handle that...
Jun 24 08:41:26 <DaveSoft> hmmm, does it work with arrays? I haven't actually tried one
Jun 24 08:41:50 <EmmettLollis> not sure
Jun 24 08:42:04 <DaveSoft> oh doh, I have... I use an array of objects to store profiles
Jun 24 08:42:24 <EmmettLollis> hmm
Jun 24 08:43:00 <oddalot> seems like db would be either than arrays
Jun 24 08:43:39 <EmmettLollis> i was thinking i would have to use a fixed number of meals in each record if i used depot
Jun 24 08:43:42 <DaveSoft> so I created an array, var arrUserList and a user function: function oUser(sName) {this.name = name; this.exp = 0;} then I stored a bunch of oUser objects in my array, and then I can .pop and .push them around
Jun 24 08:44:05 <DaveSoft> That could work, do a max of like 6 meals...
Jun 24 08:44:41 <EmmettLollis> i got to thinking some user would probably want to put every glass of milk or pop he drank in the day
Jun 24 08:44:55 <EmmettLollis> thats what lead me to sqlite
Jun 24 08:45:00 <EmmettLollis> brb
Jun 24 08:45:03 <DaveSoft> calorie counter app? that would be the correct thing to do :) I would, anyway
Jun 24 08:45:17 <DaveSoft> (counting everything that is)
Jun 24 08:47:00 <DaveSoft> anyways, Depot might be simpler, but once you have sql going... absolutely no reason to go back, it will be much more efficient and sophisticated.
Jun 24 08:48:48 <DaveSoft> Just make sure to set your indexes on the IDs *and* the dates :) someone will use your app for a year with 5 meals a day and end up with 2000 meal records to sort through... that might take a few seconds on a mobile phone :)
Jun 24 08:49:14 <EmmettLollis> back
Jun 24 08:50:08 <EmmettLollis> i was going to use date+time(hidden) so keep the meals seperate
Jun 24 08:51:07 <DaveSoft> so you record the time that the records were created and if they have the same date/time it's a meal?  That's a good idea
Jun 24 08:51:23 <EmmettLollis> yeah, someone else suggested it lol
Jun 24 08:51:54 <DaveSoft> ... Do you have a primary key set in your table?
Jun 24 08:52:03 <EmmettLollis> no, no keys
Jun 24 08:53:39 <EmmettLollis> it looked too complicated to mess with at this point
Jun 24 08:54:08 <EmmettLollis> i was going to include the federal nutrition database in the beginning
Jun 24 08:54:10 <DaveSoft> OK, if I may suggest... I would make sure to index the DateTime column... if a person eats, say 3 meals with 4 items in each meal... that's 360 records in a month...
Jun 24 08:54:38 <EmmettLollis> how would i index the date/time?
Jun 24 08:55:00 <DaveSoft> hmmm... you're using CREATE TABLE statements to define the table schema?
Jun 24 08:55:17 <EmmettLollis> yeah
Jun 24 08:55:40 <EmmettLollis> is there another way?
Jun 24 08:56:25 <DaveSoft> not that I know of, I was just verifying
Jun 24 08:56:36 <DaveSoft> so you need to do another, separate command...
Jun 24 08:56:39 <DaveSoft> CREATE INDEX IDX_CUSTOMER_LAST_NAME
Jun 24 08:56:39 <DaveSoft> on CUSTOMER (Last_Name)
Jun 24 08:57:10 <DaveSoft> IDX_CUSTOMER_LAST_NAME would be what you name the index (keep it simple, just name it something like IDX_DATETIME)
Jun 24 08:57:34 <DaveSoft> CUSTOMER would be the table and (Last_Name) would be the column name
Jun 24 08:58:21 <EmmettLollis> would i need to call that 1 time only or every time i ran the app?
Jun 24 08:59:11 <DaveSoft> just once, then it should take care of itself
Jun 24 08:59:21 <DaveSoft> I wonder if sqlite has indexing... I imagine...
Jun 24 09:00:01 <DaveSoft> what that does, is setup a nice tree-based search.  So if you're looking for a specific date (I would imagine that would be typical) it will look through all the dates as single entries for each, find the right date and then the index would have a list of all the records with that date...
Jun 24 09:00:17 <EmmettLollis> Oooh
Jun 24 09:00:24 <EmmettLollis> makes sense
Jun 24 09:00:34 <EmmettLollis> so i would definately need it on the meals db
Jun 24 09:00:56 <EmmettLollis> the totals db is just 1 record for each date so it might not need the index
Jun 24 09:01:22 <DaveSoft> no, I wouldn't set it on totals
Jun 24 09:01:36 <EmmettLollis> very nice
Jun 24 09:02:00 <DaveSoft> I imagine that indexes would be crucial in a situation like this with such limited resources and memory
Jun 24 09:02:15 <EmmettLollis> very true
Jun 24 09:02:31 <DaveSoft> instead of copying out every single record to search through them, it pulls out every single date :)
Jun 24 09:02:57 <DaveSoft> anyways, I'll be AFK while I work on some stuff...
Jun 24 09:03:08 <EmmettLollis> alright, thanks for the help!
Jun 24 09:03:13 <DaveSoft> not a problem
Jun 24 09:32:26 <HotDP> d
Jun 24 09:37:54 <warpdesign_> good morning !
Jun 24 09:46:05 <HotDP> Good morning warpdesign
Jun 24 09:49:30 <dawm> sweeeet
Jun 24 09:49:38 <dawm> just found a freaking awesome utility
Jun 24 09:49:38 <dawm> http://border-image.com
Jun 24 09:51:35 <dawm> lol i didnt even realize its by the facebook app devs ;p
Jun 24 09:59:05 <HotDP> anyone know what the actual hight is on the background? Its not 480px because the battery ect takes som space?
Jun 24 09:59:40 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1754&Itemid=51#UserInterfaceSummary-DisplayDimensions
Jun 24 09:59:45 <dawm> tells you all the dimensions
Jun 24 10:01:14 <HotDP> thanks
Jun 24 10:38:36 <amiroo> hey there. anyone an idea how to acess my assistant functions via onClick in a html widget?
Jun 24 10:42:30 <amiroo> looks like only index.html can be accessed
Jun 24 10:51:44 <DaveSoft> you still need help amiroo?
Jun 24 10:52:14 <amiroo> yes Dave. Do you have an idea?
Jun 24 10:52:50 <DaveSoft> In WebOS, there's no such thing as a click, so I would guess that onClick="JavaScript: stuff" wouldn't work...
Jun 24 10:53:41 <DaveSoft> if you want an HTML element to react to a TAP, that's different... you need to setup a listener in your Assistant's Prototype.setup function
Jun 24 10:54:12 <amiroo> actually it does work somehow.. onClick="caonsole.log("something"); works
Jun 24 10:54:36 <DaveSoft> hmmmm, but you said you can only access the stuff in index.html?
Jun 24 10:54:48 <amiroo> yeah but the problem is i want the divs inside the html to react
Jun 24 10:55:06 <amiroo> the functions in index.html
Jun 24 10:55:15 <amiroo> i cannot call a listener in my assistant
Jun 24 10:55:48 <DaveSoft> ummm... what's the name of the file assistant file?
Jun 24 10:56:06 <amiroo> now-assistant
Jun 24 10:56:09 <amiroo> .js
Jun 24 10:56:48 <DaveSoft> ok, so you have a scene that's called now? and you want index.html's divs to react and call a function in your assistant?
Jun 24 10:57:27 <amiroo> unfortunately yes. because I'm using ares ;-)
Jun 24 10:57:56 <DaveSoft> hmm... I have no experience with Ares... however, try this:
Jun 24 10:58:38 <DaveSoft> at the top of index.html - after "<script src="/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js" type="text/javascript" x-mojo-version="1"></script>" put in this line:
Jun 24 10:59:09 <DaveSoft> <script src="app/assistants/now-assistant.js" type="text/javascript" x-mojo-version="1"></script>
Jun 24 10:59:35 <amiroo>  ah yeah. good idea!
Jun 24 10:59:37 <DaveSoft> so you should have those two lines in a row, but make sure the mojo line gets there first
Jun 24 10:59:40 <amiroo> i try this. thank you
Jun 24 10:59:46 <amiroo> ah ok
Jun 24 10:59:57 <DaveSoft> I don't think it would hurt, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to load your stuff before WebOS's stuff
Jun 24 11:00:14 <amiroo> i think i have no choice
Jun 24 11:01:10 <DaveSoft> do you have an apps/stage-assistant.js file?
Jun 24 11:01:21 <amiroo> yes i do
Jun 24 11:01:26 <DaveSoft> ok, you have choices :)
Jun 24 11:01:46 <DaveSoft> you can either try to rename now into main... or you can go into that file, and add this:
Jun 24 11:01:55 <DaveSoft> StageAssistant.prototype.setup = function() {
Jun 24 11:01:55 <DaveSoft> 	/* this function is for setup tasks that have to happen when the stage is first created */
Jun 24 11:01:55 <DaveSoft> 	this.controller.pushScene("mainMenu")
Jun 24 11:01:55 <DaveSoft> };
Jun 24 11:02:00 <DaveSoft> sorry for spammin that :)
Jun 24 11:02:17 <DaveSoft> oops, "mainMenu" should be "now"
Jun 24 11:02:52 <amiroo> ehmm
Jun 24 11:03:03 <amiroo> the now scene is pushed already
Jun 24 11:03:12 <DaveSoft> then you need to copy all the stuff you added into index.html into app/views/now/now-scene.html
Jun 24 11:03:20 <DaveSoft> oh? what are you accessing in index.html?
Jun 24 11:03:37 <amiroo> thats the weired thing in ares
Jun 24 11:03:42 <amiroo> for example
Jun 24 11:03:51 <amiroo> in my now scene
Jun 24 11:04:03 <amiroo> whish is pushed and visible in the emulator
Jun 24 11:04:45 <DaveSoft> is whish another scene?
Jun 24 11:05:05 <amiroo> haha no. i meant which
Jun 24 11:05:08 <amiroo> wich
Jun 24 11:05:10 <DaveSoft> aaah lol
Jun 24 11:05:12 <amiroo> lol
Jun 24 11:06:29 <amiroo> i have a html widget in it. and in that <div onClick="showTap;"> log sais Uncaought ReferenceError: showTap is not defined (index.html:1)
Jun 24 11:06:49 <amiroo> this happens when i tap the div in the emulator
Jun 24 11:07:03 <amiroo> i think your first suggestion might work
Jun 24 11:07:22 <amiroo> because ares is puttin everything inside index.html
Jun 24 11:07:30 <amiroo> i guess
Jun 24 11:08:51 <DaveSoft> hmmm... and you can't assign a listener to the div? it would look like: this.controller.listen('myDivID', Mojo.Event.tap, showTap.bind(this));
Jun 24 11:09:49 <amiroo> never worked with listeners before ;-) but it sounds even better
Jun 24 11:10:14 <DaveSoft> that would be after the "NowAssistant.prototype.setup = function() {" line
Jun 24 11:10:32 <amiroo> i have to do <div id="myDivID .... for this, right ?
Jun 24 11:10:50 <DaveSoft> replace myDivID with the id that you assign to the div...
Jun 24 11:10:57 <amiroo> k
Jun 24 11:11:03 <amiroo> i try that
Jun 24 11:11:04 <DaveSoft> <div id="myDivID" onClick="...."></div>
Jun 24 11:12:18 <DaveSoft> but get rid of the onClick stuff, I think that's causing the index.html problem.... index.html starts everything... onClick is creating an error that is so low-level that it's occuring before any of your other code... the other html files are kindof... copy/pasted into index.html - but programmatically
Jun 24 11:14:24 <DaveSoft> is it giving you an exception about a widget not being setup?
Jun 24 11:15:00 <DaveSoft> make the this.controller.listen line the last line in your setup function there
Jun 24 11:16:04 <amiroo> ok
Jun 24 11:17:17 <DaveSoft> what's it sayin?
Jun 24 11:18:22 <amiroo> hmm
Jun 24 11:19:10 <amiroo> cannot read property tap of object
Jun 24 11:19:43 <amiroo> i guess you are right
Jun 24 11:19:50 <amiroo> have to get rid of the onClick thing
Jun 24 11:20:01 <DaveSoft> you have the capitalization right? Mojo.Event.tap?
Jun 24 11:21:09 <DaveSoft> what's the whole div line look like? can you paste it in?
Jun 24 11:21:13 <amiroo> haha no. but now it sais showTap is not defined. but it  is. spelling is right
Jun 24 11:21:58 <amiroo> <div id='epgdiv' class='epgclass'>RTL</div>
Jun 24 11:22:44 <DaveSoft> can you paste the showTab function line? (just the first one, that declares it)
Jun 24 11:22:56 <DaveSoft> and also, just for fun, paste the listener line as well, please
Jun 24 11:23:11 <DaveSoft> showTab=showTap
Jun 24 11:24:14 <amiroo> showTap: function(){console.log('yes!')}
Jun 24 11:24:56 <amiroo> this.controller.listen("epdgiv", Mojo.Event.tap, showTap.bind()this));
Jun 24 11:25:16 <amiroo> epgdiv
Jun 24 11:25:30 <DaveSoft> is bind()this actually bind(this)?
Jun 24 11:25:40 <amiroo> haha yes
Jun 24 11:25:45 <amiroo> i cannot copy from ares
Jun 24 11:25:50 <DaveSoft> :) no worries
Jun 24 11:26:24 <DaveSoft> try changing showTap: function line to:
Jun 24 11:27:00 <DaveSoft> function showTap(event) { console.log('yes!');}
Jun 24 11:28:00 <DaveSoft> also, make sure that it's in inside any other function...
Jun 24 11:28:16 <DaveSoft> make sure that it's *not* inside any other function...
Jun 24 11:28:17 <DaveSoft> lol
Jun 24 11:29:28 <amiroo> it was at the end of NowAssistant.prototype = {
Jun 24 11:29:34 <amiroo> right before the last }
Jun 24 11:29:47 <amiroo> and i also tried to put the function after }
Jun 24 11:30:19 <amiroo> right after the cleanup function
Jun 24 11:30:40 <DaveSoft> in your stage-assistant.js file, do you see a line... lightweight: true,   ?
Jun 24 11:31:20 <amiroo> no
Jun 24 11:34:09 <DaveSoft> hmmm... I'm at a loss...
Jun 24 11:34:50 <amiroo> ohhh
Jun 24 11:34:53 <amiroo> i just saw
Jun 24 11:35:07 <amiroo> i wrote litsen instead of listen
Jun 24 11:35:15 <amiroo> maybe now
Jun 24 11:35:32 <amiroo> no
Jun 24 11:35:38 <DaveSoft> same problem?
Jun 24 11:35:39 <amiroo> still showTap is not defined
Jun 24 11:35:43 <amiroo> yes
Jun 24 11:35:45 <DaveSoft> hmmmm
Jun 24 11:36:19 <amiroo> ok but you helped me a lot anyway
Jun 24 11:36:30 <amiroo> now i know i have to handle it with a listener
Jun 24 11:37:30 <DaveSoft> ok, so it's saying that showTab is not defined... and showTap... but the function showTab(event) line as the very, very first line in the whole file...
Jun 24 11:37:47 <DaveSoft> I keep typing showTab, but I mean showTap :P
Jun 24 11:38:02 <amiroo> actually it is not the very first function
Jun 24 11:38:09 <amiroo> ohhh
Jun 24 11:38:55 <DaveSoft> the fact that it's in there before some other function is irrelevent... we need to make sure that it's not being declard inside some other function
Jun 24 11:39:30 <DaveSoft> function showTap(event) {console.log('YES!');}
Jun 24 11:40:13 <amiroo> ok. one step further
Jun 24 11:40:52 <amiroo> no error
Jun 24 11:40:55 <amiroo> no errors
Jun 24 11:41:18 <amiroo> function showTap(event) {console.log('YES!');} is on top
Jun 24 11:41:23 <amiroo> inside no other function
Jun 24 11:41:52 <DaveSoft> so, no errors... do you get your log?
Jun 24 11:42:19 <amiroo> no
Jun 24 11:42:25 <amiroo> nothing happens
Jun 24 11:42:27 <amiroo> strange
Jun 24 11:42:31 <DaveSoft> ok... try this:
Jun 24 11:42:36 <amiroo> wait
Jun 24 11:42:38 <amiroo> it works!
Jun 24 11:42:46 <amiroo> i forgot onClick
Jun 24 11:42:51 <amiroo> Thank you man!
Jun 24 11:42:54 <DaveSoft> :)
Jun 24 11:42:56 <DaveSoft> no worries
Jun 24 11:43:00 <amiroo> awesome!
Jun 24 11:43:09 <amiroo> :-)
Jun 24 11:43:13 <amiroo> you saved my day
Jun 24 11:43:29 <DaveSoft> so, what do you want to happen when you tap that div?
Jun 24 11:44:00 <amiroo> push the next scene
Jun 24 11:44:33 <amiroo> you know what. i don't even need the listener
Jun 24 11:44:38 <amiroo> it works without
Jun 24 11:44:42 <DaveSoft> lol
Jun 24 11:44:44 <DaveSoft> go figure
Jun 24 11:44:58 <amiroo> i just had the function on the wrong plce :-)
Jun 24 11:44:59 <amiroo> haha
Jun 24 11:45:13 <DaveSoft> ok... so you know... onClick is not the preferred way to accomplish this
Jun 24 11:45:28 <DaveSoft> (though it's kindof interesting to see that it works :P )
Jun 24 11:45:42 <DaveSoft> I would keep the listener, and get rid of onClick, but that's just me
Jun 24 11:46:18 <DaveSoft> if it works for you, do it... but if you show someone your code... they're not gonna know what's happening :)
Jun 24 11:46:20 <amiroo> the thing is nothing happend wothout onCLick and with the listener
Jun 24 11:46:32 <amiroo> but i try to figuer it out
Jun 24 11:46:34 <amiroo> ;-)
Jun 24 11:46:35 <DaveSoft> hmmm
Jun 24 11:46:50 <amiroo> figure
Jun 24 11:47:14 <amiroo> but first
Jun 24 11:47:22 <amiroo> I'm goin to get some cigarettes
Jun 24 11:47:24 <amiroo> ;-)
Jun 24 11:47:35 <DaveSoft> :) alright, good luck amiroo
Jun 24 11:48:04 <amiroo> thank you again. have a good day
Jun 24 11:49:07 <DaveSoft> you're welcome, you too :)
Jun 24 11:49:54 <DaveSoft> anyone every got vertical-snap to work in a list with a scroller widget?
Jun 24 11:54:30 <amiroo> i got horizontal-snap to work
Jun 24 11:55:16 <amiroo> oh. but in ares. i forgot
Jun 24 12:10:01 <HotDP> Anyone here who have worked with GPS for WebOS ?
Jun 24 12:41:09 <dawm> there, the main 2 scenes are all UI'd out.. now to code ;|
Jun 24 12:48:48 <dawm> does the emulator not play mp3s?
Jun 24 12:48:56 <warpdesign_> no
Jun 24 12:49:05 <warpdesign_> only uncompressed files will play
Jun 24 12:49:11 <dawm> weak
Jun 24 12:49:59 <warpdesign_> yes
Jun 24 13:09:04 <dawm> how does one detect mousedown? i need to restyle my button when its pressed
Jun 24 13:10:16 <warpdesign_> tried mousedown ?
Jun 24 13:16:20 <dawm> doesnt seem to be firing
Jun 24 13:24:12 <dawm> awesome!!
Jun 24 13:24:18 <dawm> custom button ;D
Jun 24 13:25:06 <dawm> doh
Jun 24 13:29:39 <dawm> meh doesnt work as planned.. if user holds down and drags off the button isnt reset
Jun 24 13:30:09 <dawm> apparently dumping the even object isnt a good idea ;p
Jun 24 13:30:21 <BigBiff_pre> heh
Jun 24 13:30:39 <dawm> i heard my cpu fan speed up and emulator stopped responding ;p
Jun 24 13:36:20 <Wolvenhaven> heh, i forgot to turn the emulator off last night, my laptop overheated and shut off :P
Jun 24 13:36:42 <Wolvenhaven> i'm actually propping it up on top of an external HD to keep the airflow to the fan
Jun 24 13:37:05 <Wolvenhaven> so i know your pain
Jun 24 13:37:45 * BigBiff_pre has no motherboard
Jun 24 13:38:32 <Wolvenhaven> whenever i get modpoints on slasdot there aren't ever any good articles to give points for comments on
Jun 24 13:51:58 <dawm> woot
Jun 24 13:52:06 <dawm> i figured it out!
Jun 24 13:52:20 <HattCzech_work> morning
Jun 24 13:52:46 <dawm> custom buttons for me, with no having to listen for mousedown or up to change its state ;D
Jun 24 13:53:47 <dawm> freaking sweet
Jun 24 13:54:23 <dawm> and its undocumented ;D
Jun 24 13:59:39 <HattCzech_work> brb, firefox restart
Jun 24 14:00:23 <BigBiff_pre> I do remember a starting point for custom button in the forum, but just a starting point
Jun 24 14:00:46 <BigBiff_pre> I think it was under 'pink button'
Jun 24 14:01:07 <BigBiff_pre> but you should add that to webos101
Jun 24 14:01:20 <dawm> im not even usign .palm-button css
Jun 24 14:01:33 <BigBiff_pre> there are always lots of questions about custom buttons
Jun 24 14:01:35 <dawm> but still the same thing, i just wanted to have the button interact
Jun 24 14:02:05 <dawm> <div x-mojo-touch-feedback="spontaneous" id="buttonLogin"></div>
Jun 24 14:02:09 <BigBiff_pre> are you using mojo for changing the class?
Jun 24 14:02:14 <BigBiff_pre> ahh
Jun 24 14:02:19 <dawm> that x-mojo-touch does the magic
Jun 24 14:02:23 <BigBiff_pre> ya
Jun 24 14:02:30 <dawm> it adds .selected when mousedown, and removes it when mouseup or dragged off
Jun 24 14:02:37 <BigBiff_pre> right
Jun 24 14:03:11 <BigBiff_pre> just no 'x-mojo-element'
Jun 24 14:03:50 <dawm> yeah im not setting up a widget
Jun 24 14:04:04 <dawm> if you have that property in there it complains about the widget not being setup
Jun 24 14:04:19 <dawm> but if you setup the widget for the button it makes it look like palm-button
Jun 24 14:04:41 <dawm> argh why is this crap saying the function doesnt exist.. it does i jus tmade it
Jun 24 14:05:26 <BigBiff_pre> right mojo-element tries to 'size' ur button like the mojo button
Jun 24 14:06:12 <dawm> i wanna slap Mojo in the face
Jun 24 14:07:01 <dawm> i made a common.js and added some functions to it.. wont let me use any of them saying they dont exist.. even tho its in the sources.json and komodo clearly sees that it exists cause it autocompletes them
Jun 24 14:19:20 <dawm> im stumped as to why this isnt working
Jun 24 14:19:40 <dawm> nvermind ;p
Jun 24 14:21:59 <BigBiff_pre> something simple?
Jun 24 14:24:00 <dawm> typoe that didnt error out
Jun 24 14:24:27 <BigBiff_pre> of course
Jun 24 14:35:04 <HattCzech_work> if i'm creating a FAQ page... should i keep the content local?
Jun 24 14:35:08 <HattCzech_work> or have it pull from my server?
Jun 24 14:44:02 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, no opinions on that, huh?
Jun 24 14:46:11 <Tibfib> Okay I'm back with another try: http://tibfib.com/apps/mojomessenger/light_orange.PNG light orange, yay or nay?
Jun 24 14:46:45 <HattCzech_work> i think that looks good
Jun 24 14:46:48 <dawm> yeah
Jun 24 14:46:53 <HattCzech_work> how many colors you going to have?
Jun 24 14:47:05 <Tibfib> I need 3 main ones but I'll have a couple other options
Jun 24 14:47:29 <HattCzech_work> maybe a light blue? slightly darker than the grey?
Jun 24 14:47:59 <HattCzech_work> or green... but that might blend too much with the background
Jun 24 14:48:34 <Tibfib> I've played with a green... I'
Jun 24 14:48:54 <Tibfib> I'll probably have it as an option, but not sure
Jun 24 14:49:13 <Tibfib> I think a light blue could look good
Jun 24 14:51:30 <Tibfib> thanks for feedback
Jun 24 14:52:39 <HattCzech_work> sure, now your turn... :)
Jun 24 14:52:49 <HattCzech_work> if i'm creating a FAQ page... should i keep the content local? or have it pull from my server?
Jun 24 14:53:50 <Tibfib> Both!
Jun 24 14:54:20 <Tibfib> Have local content for each version, but let it update via the server if there is new content
Jun 24 15:04:18 <sugardave> DaveSoft: you can also set CSS on each scene's div (if you DON'T disable the scene scroller with this:  #mojo-scene-[sceneName]-scene-scroller
Jun 24 15:04:33 <sugardave> setting backgrounds that way is super simple
Jun 24 15:18:03 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 24 15:21:51 <sugardave> does "preferably, the standard webOS Help scene" imply I can put any old thing in the help scene as long as there is some form of contact information?
Jun 24 15:22:10 <HattCzech_work> from what i've gathered, yes
Jun 24 15:22:15 <sugardave> right on
Jun 24 15:22:25 <dirs> hi
Jun 24 15:22:30 <HattCzech_work> maybe throw in the app title and version as well ;)
Jun 24 15:22:43 <dirs> does anyone know when PDK apps will be accepted  on storee?
Jun 24 15:22:48 <sugardave> to now I have only used the pushAppSupportInfoScene thing, but THIS guy wants his own special stuff
Jun 24 15:23:11 <HattCzech_work> there's a pushAppSupportInfoScene method?
Jun 24 15:23:12 <sugardave> dirs: after the next webOS update, perhaps?
Jun 24 15:23:36 <dirs> sugardave: maybe... palm says "soon"
Jun 24 15:23:43 <HattCzech_work> dirs: sugardave is probably right about that... hopefully with in the next week
Jun 24 15:23:49 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: copy mine...
Jun 24 15:23:53 <HattCzech_work> within*
Jun 24 15:23:57 <dirs> "soon" not help
Jun 24 15:24:45 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: I have the text he wants and it's got an e-mail address in there, I will just webosify the format/purty
Jun 24 15:31:54 <sugardave> discombobulate: did you ever get event.preventDefault() and event.stopPropagation() to work?
Jun 24 15:32:08 <discombobulate> no sir
Jun 24 15:32:21 <sugardave> lame
Jun 24 15:32:31 <discombobulate> it didn't throw up any errors though
Jun 24 15:32:34 <discombobulate> so thats a plus
Jun 24 15:32:38 <sugardave> heh
Jun 24 15:32:41 <discombobulate> it just didn't do what i wanted :)
Jun 24 15:33:00 <discombobulate> it's todays mission
Jun 24 15:33:10 <sugardave> good luck....we're all counting on you
Jun 24 15:33:19 <discombobulate> ha i bet
Jun 24 15:34:07 <HattCzech_work> any german speakers in the room?
Jun 24 15:38:16 * haeffb_pre sitting in a boat on the lake, wirc & pandora running...
Jun 24 15:38:34 <HattCzech_work> nice
Jun 24 15:38:49 <HattCzech_work> wait, why are you on wirc?
Jun 24 15:38:59 <HattCzech_work> you're on a boat... in the middle of the lake...
Jun 24 15:39:10 * HattCzech_work slaps haeffb_pre into the water
Jun 24 15:39:12 <discombobulate> sometimes you just do.. because you can..
Jun 24 15:40:22 * haeffb_pre adding 12v DC outlet to the boat for charging pre & laptop...
Jun 24 15:40:35 <HattCzech_work> lol, that's nice
Jun 24 15:40:39 <HattCzech_work> just don't get them wet!
Jun 24 15:51:23 <sugardave> the Pre isn't waterproof?
Jun 24 15:51:25 <sugardave> wtf?
Jun 24 15:52:20 <HattCzech_work> now you know
Jun 24 15:52:28 <HattCzech_work> in case you were planning to go swimming with it
Jun 24 15:53:14 <HattCzech_work> back in a bit
Jun 24 16:04:32 <torchie> does wIRC disconnect when you close all of the related cards?
Jun 24 16:04:48 <sugardave> looks like it :D
Jun 24 16:18:18 <BigBiff_pre> I'm not sure it completely disconnects
Jun 24 16:21:13 <torchie> D:
Jun 24 16:21:21 <torchie> ultimate battery destruction
Jun 24 16:21:57 <egaudet_work> it should disconnect when the app closes
Jun 24 16:42:54 <BigBiff_pre> I've just noticed that the 3g sometimes remains totally active
Jun 24 16:43:32 <BigBiff_pre> until I do a reboot
Jun 24 16:45:53 <egaudet_work> there may still be some issues from time to time with the app not closing/cleaning up correctly and staying active in the background
Jun 24 16:48:53 <BigBiff_pre> small price to pay for one of the most useful apps on the devicw
Jun 24 16:48:57 <BigBiff_pre> w/e
Jun 24 17:04:11 * BigBiff_pre trying to figure the differenece in originalEvent and currentTarget
Jun 24 17:08:05 * haeffb_pre wishes there was documentation of the events
Jun 24 17:08:31 <sugardave> BigBiff_pre: I THINK the difference comes into play if you are doing things higher in the commander chain
Jun 24 17:10:22 <sugardave> or if you are listening on an underlying div, but the tap came from an element inside it....
Jun 24 17:10:26 <sugardave> hmm....
Jun 24 17:11:50 <oilsworkn> there is a mojo tap ignore style
Jun 24 17:20:10 <BigBiff_pre> well I know if used originalEvent for widgets in lists
Jun 24 17:20:19 <BigBiff_pre> if=ive
Jun 24 17:20:38 <BigBiff_pre> just haven't used currentTarget
Jun 24 17:21:58 <BigBiff_pre> sounds like it'd produce the same result
Jun 24 17:27:42 <Rubin> do you guys leave wirc running all the time?
Jun 24 17:27:47 <Rubin> i assumed that would _kill_ battery
Jun 24 17:28:16 <Rubin> but i have noticed that using wirc for a while tends to make me have to reboot eventually to get performance back
Jun 24 17:30:46 <oilsworkn> thatas old wirc
Jun 24 17:30:52 <oilsworkn> wait for 0.3.0 to drop :)
Jun 24 17:39:17 <halfhalo_pre> eww
Jun 24 17:39:19 <halfhalo_pre> wirc
Jun 24 17:39:57 <pandora--> mornin
Jun 24 17:41:03 * oilsworkn stabs halfhalo_pre 
Jun 24 17:41:08 <oilsworkn> _pre?
Jun 24 17:41:11 <oilsworkn> _notwirc?
Jun 24 17:42:28 <halfhalo_pre> doesn't fit...
Jun 24 17:45:44 <oilsworkn> so its not wirc?
Jun 24 17:49:05 <halfhalo_pre> no, it's wirc
Jun 24 17:52:01 <oilsworkn> :)
Jun 24 17:52:37 <oilsworkn> lol @ random googling for wirc coming across http://forum.brighthand.com/1799725-post8.html
Jun 24 17:53:46 <egaudet_work> so wirc is all that preware is good for huh
Jun 24 17:53:58 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 17:58:57 <discombobulate> whoops
Jun 24 18:06:09 <maik> come onnnnnn, my app was submitted 2 days ago and it's not been reviewed yet
Jun 24 18:06:11 <maik> goooooooooo
Jun 24 19:01:06 <MetaView> moi
Jun 24 19:20:23 <HattCzech_work> maik: mine hasn't either
Jun 24 19:20:29 <HattCzech_work> i thought it might be done by today
Jun 24 19:20:32 <HattCzech_work> maybe later tonight
Jun 24 19:20:45 <HattCzech_work> any german speakers around?
Jun 24 19:21:01 <MetaView> yes
Jun 24 19:23:01 <HattCzech_work> how do you say "Export Groups" in german?
Jun 24 19:23:18 <HattCzech_work> i wasn't sure of the export based on google translations
Jun 24 19:23:24 <HattCzech_work> groups is gruppen
Jun 24 19:23:33 <MetaView> Exportiere Gruppen
Jun 24 19:23:42 <HattCzech_work> awesome, thanks!
Jun 24 19:23:58 <HattCzech_work> and FAQ is the same for german, right?
Jun 24 19:24:12 <MetaView> yes, would use the term FAQ
Jun 24 19:24:40 <HattCzech_work> and "Not Supported" is "Nicht unterstützt" ?
Jun 24 19:26:58 <MetaView> yes
Jun 24 19:27:10 <MetaView> wan me to check your app in German?
Jun 24 19:29:03 <HattCzech_work> sure
Jun 24 19:29:09 <HattCzech_work> getting ready to compile it now
Jun 24 19:53:42 <Famic> I submitted my app to the appCatalog two days ago, and I have made some significant changes since then. Is it better to "request rejection" or to wait and then make an update ?
Jun 24 19:54:07 <dawm> just wait
Jun 24 19:54:19 <dawm> cause the reject might not even take and it will go in anyways
Jun 24 19:54:46 <MetaView> no
Jun 24 19:54:56 <MetaView> don't reject!
Jun 24 19:54:59 <MetaView> it takes ages
Jun 24 19:55:09 <MetaView> wait for the release and submit an update
Jun 24 19:55:26 <sugardave> agree
Jun 24 19:55:36 <Famic> looks like we got a rare unanymity :)
Jun 24 19:56:49 <pandora--> any new rumors on the new OS update?
Jun 24 19:57:13 <dawm> yeah
Jun 24 19:57:16 <dawm> Apple just bought HP
Jun 24 19:57:25 <halfhalo_class> sweeeet
Jun 24 20:00:37 <MetaView> the calendar ws really written in a hurry, so much mistakes
Jun 24 20:04:12 <Tibfib> MetaView: I think a lot of the OS was
Jun 24 20:04:40 <MetaView> maybe, I only have a good view in the calendar
Jun 24 20:04:50 <MetaView> never looked much in other parts
Jun 24 20:05:09 <Tibfib> There's a lot of "to-do" by x.x comments
Jun 24 20:06:10 <Tibfib> At least it seems like it when I'm browsing the code
Jun 24 20:08:20 <MetaView> I just found one bug and one senseless line of code in the calendar
Jun 24 20:09:52 <pandora--> orly?
Jun 24 20:10:10 <Tibfib> MetaView: start a topic on the dev forums... or just email the improvements
Jun 24 20:10:48 <MetaView> t's part of UberCalendar, Palm could copy it, if they ever want
Jun 24 20:11:31 * Tibfib is once again excited for HPalm. webOS needs more people working on it
Jun 24 20:11:41 <pandora--> hmmmm whats ubercalendar?
Jun 24 20:12:01 <Nyceane> HattCzech
Jun 24 20:12:04 <Nyceane> are you here?
Jun 24 20:12:04 <MetaView> a patch to make the calendar usefull... Subjects in week view, icons
Jun 24 20:12:08 <Nyceane> i m 219 now =*(
Jun 24 20:12:22 <pandora--> oh it's a patch :(
Jun 24 20:12:27 <MetaView> yes, why?
Jun 24 20:12:37 <pandora--> was hoping it was a new app
Jun 24 20:12:44 <Nyceane> dropped 3 ranks
Jun 24 20:12:49 <pandora--> i don't have any fancy doctored stuff on my pre
Jun 24 20:13:04 <MetaView> no way, you have no access to foreign events
Jun 24 20:13:42 <MetaView> pandora--: you don't need anything fancy, just preware and press install, it's easy and hamless
Jun 24 20:14:04 <MetaView> I was just dropping below 221 some days ago
Jun 24 20:14:25 <MetaView> and my last update was cluttered by Brighthouse/App... spam
Jun 24 20:14:45 <MetaView> now I submitted my own UberAppCat
Jun 24 20:14:57 <MetaView> where you can block devs...
Jun 24 20:15:24 <pandora--> fucking brighthouse
Jun 24 20:15:53 <pandora--> MetaView: preware freaks me out... i have no idea why
Jun 24 20:17:39 <MetaView> just give it a try, maybe with your dev device, which you can easily doctor at the end
Jun 24 20:18:41 <MetaView> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/245177-ubercalendar-enhanced-calendar-patch.html
Jun 24 20:21:42 <amiroo> hi everyone. can someone tell me how to access widgets from a function which is declared BEFORE myAssistant.prototype?
Jun 24 20:22:05 <amiroo> this.controller.get won't work
Jun 24 20:26:17 <Tibfib> amiroo: why can't you turn your function into part of the scene assistant?
Jun 24 20:26:44 <amiroo> because i have to call it from a onClick event
Jun 24 20:27:03 <amiroo> i know a little bit messi
Jun 24 20:27:42 <Tibfib> listen on the div for a ta
Jun 24 20:27:44 <Tibfib> tap*
Jun 24 20:28:23 <Tibfib> Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("mydiv", Mojo.Event.tap, this.handleTap.bind(this))
Jun 24 20:29:12 <amiroo> yeah. someone told me that before. i think i was to lazy. but it looks like i have to do it this way
Jun 24 20:29:26 <amiroo> thank you Tibfib
Jun 24 20:29:33 <Nyceane> my other app is at 275 =(
Jun 24 20:29:39 <Nyceane> i dont know if that one can make it to the top =(
Jun 24 20:29:58 <amiroo> will that work on a div inside a html widget?
Jun 24 20:30:08 <pandora--> ooh i have one at 287
Jun 24 20:30:18 <pandora--> still way away from being a useful rank
Jun 24 20:30:18 <HattCzech_work> Nyceane: i'm at 224
Jun 24 20:30:20 <Nyceane> pandora--, what do we do? =(
Jun 24 20:30:21 <pandora--> but that's cool
Jun 24 20:30:38 <dawm> lets see how much att devcentral knows about webos
Jun 24 20:30:39 <Nyceane> HattCzech, i m at 219 now, and i can drop below that any time when these stupid apps come up
Jun 24 20:30:55 <HattCzech_work> hopefully mine can make it in there
Jun 24 20:31:12 <Nyceane> iCopter 2.2 knocked you out, it has +14 in 1 day
Jun 24 20:31:19 <HattCzech_work> update should make it through today or tomorrow (i hope)
Jun 24 20:31:24 <Nyceane> and Fitness Counter
Jun 24 20:31:27 <MetaView> luckily I have 2 in the 1000$ range, and they are far enough from beeing dropped in the remaining 6 days, I hope
Jun 24 20:31:33 <Nyceane> same goes with FML
Jun 24 20:32:07 <dawm> heh
Jun 24 20:32:19 <dawm> if this ATT devCentral rep finds this answer i will be shocked
Jun 24 20:32:27 <Nyceane> MetaView, i have one at 201 and one at 203
Jun 24 20:32:29 <HattCzech_work> then i'll bust out the big guns and release an updated version of my homebrew app
Jun 24 20:32:43 <HattCzech_work> and it'll all tie together and be magical
Jun 24 20:32:49 <HattCzech_work> and hopefully get me to the top 221
Jun 24 20:32:50 <Nyceane> I am releasing update on them both to be waiting for reviewed, i doubt they'll get dropped
Jun 24 20:32:56 <MetaView> Nyceane: 74 and 160(?)
Jun 24 20:33:21 <MetaView> the amount of updates at the moment makes it very hard to get advantage of it
Jun 24 20:33:22 <dawm> anyone know much about parsing XML into something usable.. stupid xmlrpc
Jun 24 20:33:36 <Nyceane> MetaView, i have one at 56, 201, 203 and 219
Jun 24 20:33:59 <MetaView> I had one update 2 days ago, 2 weeks ago it made 2000 downloads in  day, this time, just 500
Jun 24 20:34:15 <MetaView> Nyceane: not bad
Jun 24 20:34:16 <Nyceane> everybody is doing last minute updates lol
Jun 24 20:34:32 <HattCzech_work> mua ha haha! multi-message lite is GONE!
Jun 24 20:34:35 <Nyceane> well, it will keep me from dropping further
Jun 24 20:34:37 <HattCzech_work> YYYEEESSSSSSS! :)
Jun 24 20:34:48 <Nyceane> HattCzech, how many dls do you have on 224?
Jun 24 20:35:03 <HattCzech_work> 28250
Jun 24 20:35:14 <dawm> haha
Jun 24 20:35:20 <dawm> he sent me to att's forums
Jun 24 20:36:00 <dawm> sent me to ATT's developer forums, which has a whole 4 webos related posts
Jun 24 20:36:10 <deliciousmorsel> freenode has ssl
Jun 24 20:36:10 <deliciousmorsel> yay
Jun 24 20:36:15 <Nyceane> 29141
Jun 24 20:36:16 <dawm> lolz
Jun 24 20:36:21 <Nyceane> at 219, pretty dangerous
Jun 24 20:37:31 <MetaView> it's not much
Jun 24 20:37:52 <MetaView> if we could combine the dl's and share the money...
Jun 24 20:37:53 <Nyceane> MetaView, how do you promote your app?
Jun 24 20:38:08 <Nyceane> hey, if i can combine all my dls, i can make it to top 21
Jun 24 20:38:12 <MetaView> not much, I have some in my signature
Jun 24 20:38:32 <MetaView> I have some on the world rank list of Just Pong
Jun 24 20:38:49 <MetaView> and tell anyone who likes uberCalendar to buy ÜberRadio...
Jun 24 20:39:27 <MetaView> UberAppCat (if it is approved)will bring some more ad possibilities, 2 search results are always my own apps
Jun 24 20:39:33 <deliciousmorsel> whats the dev chan?
Jun 24 20:40:22 <Nyceane> MetaView, can you include my app too? =D
Jun 24 20:41:13 <MetaView> Nyceane: I will sell the spots, when i got a certain amount of users...
Jun 24 20:41:29 <Nyceane> =( I'll make my own Uber App Channel then =)
Jun 24 20:41:38 <MetaView> hehe
Jun 24 20:41:51 <deliciousmorsel> sdk questoin
Jun 24 20:41:56 <deliciousmorsel> where do i field it?
Jun 24 20:41:57 <MetaView> yes?
Jun 24 20:42:01 <deliciousmorsel> here
Jun 24 20:42:12 <Roy-Pre101> Ask away.
Jun 24 20:42:20 <deliciousmorsel> is there a call to see if an app is install
Jun 24 20:42:31 <deliciousmorsel> installed*
Jun 24 20:42:38 <HattCzech_work> launch it
Jun 24 20:42:45 <deliciousmorsel> uhggg
Jun 24 20:43:07 <HattCzech_work> unless someone else knows something i don't?
Jun 24 20:43:11 <deliciousmorsel> i dont want to offer the user the ability to tweet unless the app is installed
Jun 24 20:43:23 <deliciousmorsel> so cross app
Jun 24 20:43:37 <deliciousmorsel> can i pass a function across handleLaunch and have it do a callBack x-app?
Jun 24 20:44:37 <MetaView> you could have a launch which doesn't popup the app
Jun 24 20:44:58 <MetaView> basically, you don't create the scene
Jun 24 20:45:04 <deliciousmorsel> yes
Jun 24 20:45:13 <deliciousmorsel> but will it call back to see if it succeeded?
Jun 24 20:45:24 <MetaView> you should be able to catch the exception/get the onFailure
Jun 24 20:45:33 <deliciousmorsel> k so it does have an onfailure?
Jun 24 20:45:38 <deliciousmorsel> cause if so thats good enough
Jun 24 20:45:39 <deliciousmorsel> form e
Jun 24 20:45:40 <MetaView> it has something
Jun 24 20:45:41 <deliciousmorsel> for me*
Jun 24 20:46:49 <MetaView> var request = new Mojo.Service.Request('palm://com.palm.systemservice', {
Jun 24 20:46:49 <MetaView>     method: 'getSystemTime',
Jun 24 20:46:49 <MetaView>     parameters: {subscribe:true},
Jun 24 20:46:49 <MetaView>     onSuccess: this.handleResponse  //this is a callback function you would declare
Jun 24 20:46:49 <MetaView>                                                     // in the scene assistant
Jun 24 20:47:12 <MetaView> there is an onSuccess, then there is an onFailure too
Jun 24 20:47:32 <MetaView> give it a try
Jun 24 20:47:45 <deliciousmorsel> sweet
Jun 24 20:47:57 <deliciousmorsel> i should of just tried that in the first place
Jun 24 20:47:58 <deliciousmorsel> too simple!
Jun 24 20:48:16 <deliciousmorsel> i'll just have a call for check that just returns and doesn't do anything
Jun 24 20:49:04 <MetaView> when you done, tell me, I will implement the Twitter support in my apps :)
Jun 24 20:50:06 <deliciousmorsel> well it already supports external calls
Jun 24 20:50:10 <deliciousmorsel> for tweet and following
Jun 24 20:50:17 <deliciousmorsel> so for me my support scene
Jun 24 20:50:24 <deliciousmorsel> has a link to follow my account
Jun 24 20:50:36 <deliciousmorsel> but i want it to only show up if they have Twee installed
Jun 24 20:52:10 <MetaView> deliciousmorsel: have you some infos about the integration?
Jun 24 20:52:22 <MetaView> and could I add it into my apps?
Jun 24 20:52:40 <deliciousmorsel> yes
Jun 24 20:52:45 <deliciousmorsel> integration is simple
Jun 24 20:52:53 <deliciousmorsel> just launch with {follow: "username"}
Jun 24 20:52:56 <deliciousmorsel> and
Jun 24 20:53:02 <deliciousmorsel> {tweet: "text to tweet"}
Jun 24 20:53:10 <deliciousmorsel> terse as i could be
Jun 24 20:53:12 <MetaView> btw. what do you think about an option to display the current timeline (last 24 hours or less) on MapTool ?
Jun 24 20:53:30 <deliciousmorsel> whats MapTool
Jun 24 20:53:39 <MetaView> a mapping tool
Jun 24 20:53:52 <MetaView> like you see the map and you see from where the tweets are
Jun 24 20:54:14 <deliciousmorsel> i was gonna do that for nearby tweets
Jun 24 20:54:17 <deliciousmorsel> but never got to it
Jun 24 20:54:18 <MetaView> MapTool is a free mapping tool with offline maps and tracking and stuff
Jun 24 20:54:22 <deliciousmorsel> and also never found an easy integration
Jun 24 20:54:27 <deliciousmorsel> interesting
Jun 24 20:54:37 <MetaView> MapTool has already an integration
Jun 24 20:54:42 <MetaView> wait
Jun 24 20:55:24 <MetaView> http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=352
Jun 24 20:56:21 <deliciousmorsel> hmm
Jun 24 20:56:24 <deliciousmorsel> i need integration
Jun 24 20:56:27 <deliciousmorsel> in my app
Jun 24 20:56:35 <deliciousmorsel> cause i need to be able to do polling
Jun 24 20:56:49 <deliciousmorsel> and zoom changing to create a radii
Jun 24 20:56:50 <MetaView> what do you want to poll?
Jun 24 20:56:55 <deliciousmorsel> new tweets
Jun 24 20:57:26 <MetaView> hm, then it's easier for me to add the twitter integration
Jun 24 20:57:36 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, anyone know how to use the facebook app to set a status?
Jun 24 20:59:26 <Roy-Pre101> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=29659#p29659
Jun 24 20:59:30 <Roy-Pre101> Ask and ye shall receive.
Jun 24 20:59:38 <Roy-Pre101> Or is that seek and ye shall find?
Jun 24 21:00:07 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: Can I have $1,000,000.00 US?
Jun 24 21:00:23 <Roy-Pre101> Yes!
Jun 24 21:00:37 <sugardave> sweet!  I should have asked a LONG time ago
Jun 24 21:00:44 <sugardave> work is for sucker
Jun 24 21:00:46 <sugardave> +S
Jun 24 21:04:56 <torchie> any JSTop users
Jun 24 21:04:58 <torchie> around
Jun 24 21:07:28 <HattCzech_work> urg, southwest... you managed to screw me...
Jun 24 21:07:36 <HattCzech_work> how frustrating
Jun 24 21:11:23 <torchie> I'm a bit confused about the output because the bar at the top says 30 MB
Jun 24 21:11:32 <torchie> don't know if it's 30 used or 30 left but I'm getting too many cards
Jun 24 21:14:00 <Tibfib> torchie: run garbage collection
Jun 24 21:15:45 <torchie> I see there's an option for auto garbage collection
Jun 24 21:16:04 <torchie> why wouldn't something like that be enabled by default
Jun 24 21:19:46 <sugardave> why wouldn't we have access to the playSoundRightNowDammit() method?
Jun 24 21:20:01 <sugardave> it's better if you don't ask too many questions...
Jun 24 21:20:07 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jun 24 21:20:23 <torchie> i can hear it in the background now
Jun 24 21:20:28 <torchie> 'he knows too much'
Jun 24 21:20:55 <torchie> 'delete his apps'
Jun 24 21:21:27 <torchie> still too many cards -- maybe it's not a memory thing but a cards thing
Jun 24 21:21:47 <torchie> like whoa dude you cant do this many things at the same time
Jun 24 21:22:03 <sugardave> torchie: I used to get too many cards errors just from running Sprint navigator for "too long"
Jun 24 21:22:09 <sugardave> as the only app open
Jun 24 21:22:27 <egaudet_work> memleak much
Jun 24 21:22:41 <torchie> I actually have a game where if I don't restart the phone before I try to play it I get TMC
Jun 24 21:22:45 <torchie> even if there's no cards open
Jun 24 21:22:47 <torchie> memleak hard
Jun 24 21:23:46 <torchie> it's scary, considering what TMC can do to you
Jun 24 21:23:57 <torchie> could get a brotha killed
Jun 24 21:23:58 <oilsworkn> it killed my children
Jun 24 21:25:15 <MetaView> good night
Jun 24 21:25:28 <torchie> picture it, a man holds a gun to your head and gives you 15 seconds to open the music player and play some beethoven
Jun 24 21:25:40 <torchie> so you open the launcher and TOO MANY CARDS
Jun 24 21:25:41 <torchie> dead.
Jun 24 21:25:49 <oilsworkn> well, i dont have any beethoven on my pre
Jun 24 21:25:54 <oilsworkn> so, tmc isn't really the problem
Jun 24 21:25:56 <torchie> yeah me neither
Jun 24 21:26:29 <torchie> can you get TMC on a phone call
Jun 24 21:26:55 <oilsworkn> thats never happened to me
Jun 24 21:30:03 <dawm> god i hate working with XML
Jun 24 21:30:20 <oilsworkn> why?
Jun 24 21:30:30 <dawm> it never cooperates
Jun 24 21:30:49 <sugardave> eXacerbating Markup Language
Jun 24 21:31:26 <torchie> I like XML :(
Jun 24 21:31:33 <sugardave> I like JSON
Jun 24 21:31:43 <oilsworkn> i do agree that JSON > XML
Jun 24 21:31:50 <oilsworkn> but xml certainly has its uses
Jun 24 21:33:21 <torchie> I don't like JSON because it sounds like Jason
Jun 24 21:33:28 <torchie> well I mean in this community, being Jason is a cool thing
Jun 24 21:33:54 <oilsworkn> javascript object notation sounds nothing like jason
Jun 24 21:33:58 <oilsworkn> :)
Jun 24 21:34:23 <deliciousmorsel> maybe they can rename it to JON
Jun 24 21:34:30 <torchie> now being jon would be super cool
Jun 24 21:34:33 <deliciousmorsel> JavascriptObjectNoticatoin
Jun 24 21:39:25 <dawm> if it was JSON i would have been done with this hours ago..
Jun 24 21:39:46 * oilsworkn bets there is some sort of XML->JSON class
Jun 24 21:39:49 <halfhalo_class> Lulz
Jun 24 21:40:14 <oilsworkn> http://www.thomasfrank.se/xml_to_json.html
Jun 24 21:40:16 <oilsworkn> first result
Jun 24 21:40:17 <oilsworkn> lols
Jun 24 21:40:28 <halfhalo_class> I think xml is maybe 2x as hard to parse as json
Jun 24 21:40:29 <dawm> i think i have that
Jun 24 21:40:33 <halfhalo_class> aka, not hard at all
Jun 24 21:41:09 <dawm> hah
Jun 24 21:41:19 <dawm> that one cant even convert the xml im toying with
Jun 24 21:41:29 <halfhalo_class> what xml?
Jun 24 21:42:04 <dawm> http://pastie.org/1017926
Jun 24 21:42:04 <oilsworkn> its probably crazy with attributes and crap
Jun 24 21:42:15 <dawm> no it has no attribs
Jun 24 21:42:26 <oilsworkn> think it goes deep enough?
Jun 24 21:42:28 <dawm> i have no control over the format
Jun 24 21:42:35 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 21:42:50 <dawm> i know rite? heh
Jun 24 21:43:01 <halfhalo_class> Im not seeing anything that would be hard to parse
Jun 24 21:43:37 <dawm> halfhalo, well break it down for me and send me the code to grab MESSAGES, its value and LOGIN_RESULT and its value
Jun 24 21:43:45 <dawm> :P
Jun 24 21:43:51 <oilsworkn> like i said, that result was just the first hit for a search for "xml2json"
Jun 24 21:44:05 <oilsworkn> there was thousands of other results
Jun 24 21:44:17 <dawm> i cant seem to grab the value for messages, altho im able to dig in and grab the tagName, but when i try to grab data or text is null
Jun 24 21:45:41 <halfhalo_class> member=transport.responseXML.documentElement.getElementsByTagName("member")
Jun 24 21:45:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 21:46:07 <dawm> nwo get the value ;p
Jun 24 21:46:27 <halfhalo_class> name=member.getElementsByTagName("name")[0].childnodes[0].nodeValue
Jun 24 21:47:48 <halfhalo_class> getting the value is a little trickier, but not by much
Jun 24 21:48:02 <oilsworkn>  /nick halfhalo_teacher ?
Jun 24 21:49:00 <halfhalo_class> gimme a cookie and well call it even
Jun 24 21:49:53 <oilsworkn> someone needs to make a website that mails out cookies for like a dollar or whatever
Jun 24 21:50:22 <halfhalo_class> to much effort
Jun 24 21:51:32 <halfhalo_class> My T400's LED screen just shames this mbp's screen
Jun 24 21:53:38 <oilsworkn> no retina display? xD
Jun 24 21:53:54 <sugardave> oilsworkn: brilliant!
Jun 24 21:54:15 <oilsworkn> i know?
Jun 24 21:55:26 <pygi> oilsworkn, they'd go stale soon :p
Jun 24 21:55:29 <pygi> I considered doing it :D
Jun 24 21:55:49 <oilsworkn> just use cookies that last a really long time
Jun 24 21:55:51 <oilsworkn> like an oreo
Jun 24 21:55:55 <oilsworkn> i dont think they go bad
Jun 24 21:56:00 <halfhalo_class> lol
Jun 24 21:56:07 <oilsworkn> or sugar cookies
Jun 24 21:56:15 <halfhalo_class> twinkies!
Jun 24 21:56:18 <oilsworkn> if it was cheap enough
Jun 24 21:56:21 <pygi> I was thinking of making my own cookies :p
Jun 24 21:56:25 <halfhalo_class> twinkie... cookies?
Jun 24 21:56:29 <oilsworkn> thats too much work
Jun 24 21:56:35 <oilsworkn> i was thinking of something mostly ran by robots
Jun 24 21:56:36 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 21:56:44 <oilsworkn> you dont have to pay robots
Jun 24 21:56:46 <pygi> :P
Jun 24 21:56:52 <halfhalo_class> yet
Jun 24 21:56:56 <pygi> you can  automate cookies baking :p
Jun 24 21:57:00 <oilsworkn> right
Jun 24 21:57:12 <oilsworkn> it all depends on how much it costs per cookie
Jun 24 21:57:23 <oilsworkn> its got to be cheap enough people dont care but think its funny to do
Jun 24 21:57:57 <oilsworkn> people always talk about getting/giving cookies for things
Jun 24 21:58:11 <oilsworkn> but it almost never happens
Jun 24 21:58:25 <oilsworkn> i have actually received cookies in the mail before
Jun 24 21:58:26 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 21:58:26 <pygi> like 2$ :p
Jun 24 21:58:31 <pygi> per cookie
Jun 24 21:58:33 <halfhalo_class> vga needs to die in a fire
Jun 24 21:58:41 * pygi wonders if that'd work
Jun 24 21:58:50 <oilsworkn> well
Jun 24 21:58:53 <oilsworkn> they sent me cookies
Jun 24 21:59:02 <oilsworkn> but i only received crums
Jun 24 21:59:04 <sugardave> it would have to be a pretty delicious cookie
Jun 24 21:59:15 <sugardave> for $2
Jun 24 21:59:23 <oilsworkn> $2 at costco would get you like 300 oreos
Jun 24 21:59:32 <pygi> but but mail :P
Jun 24 22:00:08 <sugardave> I think $2 + shipping, about $5
Jun 24 22:00:16 <sugardave> to get it there quick
Jun 24 22:00:20 <oilsworkn> see, thats not worth it for people anymore
Jun 24 22:00:23 <pygi> plus 300 cookies for $2?! I'll give you $5 if you ship me that :P
Jun 24 22:00:35 <halfhalo_class> im bored
Jun 24 22:00:42 <halfhalo_class> no more world cup to watch
Jun 24 22:00:45 <halfhalo_class> :/
Jun 24 22:00:48 * oilsworkn would rather get $5 then a cookie
Jun 24 22:00:59 <oilsworkn> halfhalo_class: download the vuvuzela app
Jun 24 22:01:03 <oilsworkn> and recreate it in your back yard
Jun 24 22:01:04 <sugardave> that's why I said it would have to be a pretty delicious cookie, like gourmet cookies
Jun 24 22:01:08 <halfhalo_class> NO
Jun 24 22:01:09 <halfhalo_class> NEIN
Jun 24 22:01:12 <halfhalo_class> NIET
Jun 24 22:01:12 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 22:01:14 <halfhalo_class> NINCA
Jun 24 22:01:17 <halfhalo_class> NUNCA*
Jun 24 22:01:36 <oilsworkn> what language is nunca?
Jun 24 22:01:45 <halfhalo_class> spanish for never
Jun 24 22:01:46 <sugardave> spanish
Jun 24 22:01:49 <oilsworkn> ah
Jun 24 22:02:18 <halfhalo_class> Today is thursday is it not?  That means.... burn notice and royal pains is on!
Jun 24 22:02:39 <oilsworkn> yay, two shows i dont watch!
Jun 24 22:02:47 <halfhalo_class> die
Jun 24 22:02:48 <deliciousmorsel> how about growing pains
Jun 24 22:02:56 <deliciousmorsel> is that the same as royal pains?
Jun 24 22:02:58 <deliciousmorsel> hahah
Jun 24 22:02:59 <oilsworkn> season premiere of futurama though, thats another story
Jun 24 22:03:03 <halfhalo_class> no
Jun 24 22:03:14 <halfhalo_class> burn notice is a damn good show
Jun 24 22:03:16 <oilsworkn> though ive already seen two new ones i downloaded off the internets
Jun 24 22:03:25 <oilsworkn> ill still watch them
Jun 24 22:03:34 <halfhalo_class> pirate!
Jun 24 22:04:04 * oilsworkn is fine with that
Jun 24 22:04:05 <sugardave> halfhalo_class: crap I have to watch this afternoon's rerun of last week because my DVR ate my recordings
Jun 24 22:04:19 <halfhalo_class> lol
Jun 24 22:04:36 <halfhalo_class> I record burn notice but hulu royal pains
Jun 24 22:04:58 <oilsworkn> i dont have a tv
Jun 24 22:05:04 <oilsworkn> well, i do
Jun 24 22:05:08 <sugardave> I just set burn notice and end +1 hr
Jun 24 22:05:11 <oilsworkn> but never got the digital conversion thing
Jun 24 22:05:15 <oilsworkn> so it just sits there
Jun 24 22:06:06 <oilsworkn> though ill be settin it up when i get steel battalion, haha
Jun 24 22:06:09 <halfhalo_class> Directv
Jun 24 22:06:11 <halfhalo_class> win
Jun 24 22:06:24 <pygi> are these oreo cookies any good? I always hear about them,but couldnt try them as I'm not in the us
Jun 24 22:06:25 <sugardave> oilsworkn: no cable?
Jun 24 22:06:31 <pygi> or anywhere where they're available
Jun 24 22:06:35 <oilsworkn> cable... internets
Jun 24 22:06:47 <oilsworkn> oreos are awesome
Jun 24 22:07:03 <sugardave> pygi: they are okay...not like they used to be when I was a kid
Jun 24 22:07:14 <oilsworkn> they're the exact same as when you were a kid
Jun 24 22:07:17 <sugardave> they are very good with milk
Jun 24 22:07:21 <sugardave> no they are not
Jun 24 22:07:25 <oilsworkn> now they got the double-stuff ones
Jun 24 22:07:36 <oilsworkn> more white part > less white part
Jun 24 22:07:40 <oilsworkn> xD
Jun 24 22:08:15 <oilsworkn> where are you at pygi?
Jun 24 22:08:19 <pygi> croatiaž
Jun 24 22:08:21 <pygi> croatia
Jun 24 22:08:33 <pygi> we do have similar cookies obviously =)
Jun 24 22:08:44 <pygi> tons of variants, tho not oreo :P
Jun 24 22:09:09 <sugardave> damn, now I want cookies
Jun 24 22:09:20 <oilsworkn> amazon sells oreos
Jun 24 22:09:24 <oilsworkn> maybe they'll ship there?
Jun 24 22:09:25 <halfhalo_class> LIES!
Jun 24 22:09:29 <sugardave> and there are no cookies to be found around here
Jun 24 22:09:38 <deliciousmorsel> i buy my soba noodles from amazon
Jun 24 22:09:41 <deliciousmorsel> and miso
Jun 24 22:09:45 <sugardave> oilsworkn: I'm more into the "now" cookies
Jun 24 22:10:06 * oilsworkn was telling pygi that he could get oreos that way
Jun 24 22:10:13 <sugardave> oh, ooops :ED
Jun 24 22:10:15 <sugardave> :D
Jun 24 22:10:22 <pygi> oilsworkn, I dont think so?
Jun 24 22:10:28 <oilsworkn> i would go out to the vending machine and get a cookie
Jun 24 22:10:33 <oilsworkn> if i didn't hate the vending machine guy
Jun 24 22:10:39 <oilsworkn> jacking up the prices all the time
Jun 24 22:10:41 <oilsworkn> jerk
Jun 24 22:10:49 <halfhalo_class> lol
Jun 24 22:10:56 <halfhalo_class> the mini mart is closed....
Jun 24 22:10:57 <halfhalo_class> :(
Jun 24 22:11:07 <oilsworkn> what time is it?
Jun 24 22:11:12 <halfhalo_class> 311
Jun 24 22:11:20 <deliciousmorsel> ASL?
Jun 24 22:11:20 <oilsworkn> and they're closed?
Jun 24 22:11:26 <deliciousmorsel> hahah
Jun 24 22:11:41 <halfhalo_class> Summer hours: all food places closed at 2pm
Jun 24 22:11:44 <pygi> # Shipping: This item can only be shipped to the 48 contiguous states. We regret it cannot be shipped to APO/FPO, Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico.
Jun 24 22:11:47 <deliciousmorsel> does palm ever hang out in here anymore
Jun 24 22:12:03 <pygi> someone wanna buy it and ship here? :p
Jun 24 22:12:07 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 22:12:46 <sugardave> well, I would but I don't want to get entangled in the seedy underworld of Oreo smuggling
Jun 24 22:13:01 * oilsworkn loves all seedy underworlds
Jun 24 22:13:10 <sugardave> those guys are freaking insane
Jun 24 22:13:10 <halfhalo_class> Same
Jun 24 22:13:28 <pygi> evil, letting me be without oreo's :P
Jun 24 22:13:48 <oilsworkn> needhelpwithwebO: you need help with webO?
Jun 24 22:13:59 <halfhalo_class> no-one say anything about nics...
Jun 24 22:14:03 <deliciousmorsel> 5 days 7 hours baby
Jun 24 22:15:14 * oilsworkn is afraid to inquire about what happens in 5 days and 7 hours
Jun 24 22:15:14 <sugardave> I wonder if needhelpwithwebO's nick isn't registered
Jun 24 22:15:23 <oilsworkn> its not, he pmed me asking why he cant speak
Jun 24 22:15:27 <sugardave> ah
Jun 24 22:16:01 <pygi> sugardave, http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Double-Stuf-Oreo-Cookies/dp/B002QNYVE0/ref=pd_sbs_gro_4
Jun 24 22:16:04 <pygi> this one seem good?
Jun 24 22:16:11 <oilsworkn> double stuff ftw
Jun 24 22:16:13 <deliciousmorsel> oh man
Jun 24 22:16:21 <oilsworkn> oh, golden?
Jun 24 22:16:25 <oilsworkn> crazy
Jun 24 22:16:25 <deliciousmorsel> thats gotta suck for the paratrooper dude
Jun 24 22:16:27 <pygi> how come its so expensive for 6 cookies tho?
Jun 24 22:16:31 <needhelpwithwebO> Hello
Jun 24 22:16:33 <sugardave> hmm, never had the golden ones
Jun 24 22:16:35 <needhelpwithwebO> can u guys read me?
Jun 24 22:16:37 <sugardave> needhelpwithwebO: hiya
Jun 24 22:16:44 <oilsworkn> pack of 6 17oz packs
Jun 24 22:16:55 <oilsworkn> the package in teh picture, 6 of those
Jun 24 22:16:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 22:17:12 <pygi> so how many cookies is that?
Jun 24 22:17:15 <pygi> translate oz to me
Jun 24 22:17:18 <pygi> I'm european :p
Jun 24 22:17:18 <sugardave> a lot
Jun 24 22:17:19 <needhelpwithwebO> does someone knows where I can find the documentation for Ares? they have this Picture widget and I am trying to find the properties of the widget..
Jun 24 22:17:21 <deliciousmorsel> 48 per box i think
Jun 24 22:17:31 <pygi> so um
Jun 24 22:17:39 <pygi> it doesnt say there are any restrictions on shipping here :D
Jun 24 22:17:40 <sugardave> almost 280
Jun 24 22:17:42 <pygi> shall I order some? :D
Jun 24 22:17:42 <halfhalo_class> thats like.... enough for gabe newell!
Jun 24 22:17:50 <oilsworkn> has anyone ever used the amazon reoccurring purchase thing?
Jun 24 22:18:03 <deliciousmorsel> yeah
Jun 24 22:18:05 <deliciousmorsel> its easy to cancel
Jun 24 22:18:08 <deliciousmorsel> i use it to get discounts
Jun 24 22:18:12 <oilsworkn> ive been thinking about setting it up for TP
Jun 24 22:18:15 <deliciousmorsel> then cancel later that day
Jun 24 22:18:17 <sugardave> er almost 290
Jun 24 22:18:23 <oilsworkn> to just have it shipped to me monthly
Jun 24 22:18:24 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 22:18:30 <deliciousmorsel> yeah its great
Jun 24 22:18:39 <pygi> sugardave, earlier somebody (oilsworkn) said he can get 300 for 2$ :P
Jun 24 22:18:50 <lemketron> needhelpwithwebO: Ares documentation is on the "Documentation" tab @ http://ares.palm.com/ which takes you to https://ares.palm.com/Ares/docstemp/userguide.html
Jun 24 22:18:50 * oilsworkn was obviously exaggerating
Jun 24 22:18:54 <sugardave> haha
Jun 24 22:18:57 <sugardave> pwned
Jun 24 22:19:09 <oilsworkn> and while the golden oreos are tasty
Jun 24 22:19:15 <oilsworkn> they're not the classic black and white cookie
Jun 24 22:19:20 <needhelpwithwebO> thats the most
Jun 24 22:19:26 <needhelpwithwebO> lacking documentation ever..
Jun 24 22:19:27 <halfhalo_class> i no like oreos
Jun 24 22:19:28 * pygi tries to order those
Jun 24 22:19:37 <oilsworkn> good luck :)
Jun 24 22:19:50 <halfhalo_class> Lulz
Jun 24 22:19:52 <halfhalo_class> I love my work
Jun 24 22:19:55 <pygi> oh
Jun 24 22:19:57 <pygi> it works!
Jun 24 22:20:00 <oilsworkn> yay
Jun 24 22:20:02 <sugardave> needhelpwithwebO: is it an ImageView widget?
Jun 24 22:20:11 <needhelpwithwebO> Pictur
Jun 24 22:20:22 <halfhalo_class> Brought beef jerky and peanuts and watched denmark vs japan on the big screen
Jun 24 22:20:38 <needhelpwithwebO> I want to know how I can reuse an even handler based on the name of the widget ...
Jun 24 22:20:43 <sugardave> I don't use Ares, so I'm not sure if it is just a regular Mojo widget
Jun 24 22:20:48 <needhelpwithwebO> so I dont need to type the widget name every time..
Jun 24 22:21:17 <pygi> if its bad
Jun 24 22:21:20 <pygi> I'm shooting you!
Jun 24 22:21:22 <pygi> :p
Jun 24 22:21:35 <halfhalo_class> Get in line
Jun 24 22:22:08 <sugardave> needhelpwithwebO: can you pastebin an example?  http://webos.pastebin.com
Jun 24 22:22:29 <oilsworkn> you're shooting... halfhalo, right?
Jun 24 22:23:55 <sugardave> they are probably okay, too..but surely not as good as the originals
Jun 24 22:24:25 <pygi> I wonder if post office would let cookies through...
Jun 24 22:24:32 <lemketron> needhelpwithwebO: Did you click on the "Events" tab (right side of ares screen)?  There's a field for "ontap" handler there.
Jun 24 22:24:33 <oilsworkn> personally
Jun 24 22:24:40 <oilsworkn> i think i like the golden oreos better :)
Jun 24 22:24:46 <needhelpwithwebO> http://webos.pastebin.com/iPW22ELv
Jun 24 22:25:18 <needhelpwithwebO> u get the idea
Jun 24 22:25:23 <needhelpwithwebO> about reusing code..
Jun 24 22:25:23 <sugardave> needhelpwithwebO: event.target.id
Jun 24 22:25:24 <needhelpwithwebO> lol
Jun 24 22:26:55 <sugardave> needhelpwithwebO: I'm not sure about the this.$ part
Jun 24 22:27:00 <sugardave> that's an Ares thing
Jun 24 22:27:04 <lemketron> needhelpwithwebO:  Better yet, just set "buttonTap" as your handler for each picture widget, and instead of "this.$.[name of the sender].setSrc()" you should be able to say simply "inSender.setSrc()".
Jun 24 22:27:21 <lemketron> that is, inSender IS the name of the widget
Jun 24 22:27:44 <lemketron> make sense?
Jun 24 22:27:53 <needhelpwithwebO> oh cool
Jun 24 22:27:58 <needhelpwithwebO> see how  guys know that?
Jun 24 22:28:07 <needhelpwithwebO> is there a documentation some where?
Jun 24 22:28:09 <lemketron> I sit next to one of the Ares engineers.  :-)
Jun 24 22:28:14 <needhelpwithwebO> ahhh
Jun 24 22:28:15 <needhelpwithwebO> lol
Jun 24 22:28:20 <sugardave> lemketron is a cheater
Jun 24 22:28:22 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 24 22:28:39 <lemketron> Dang, ruins the myth that I know everything, I guess...
Jun 24 22:28:41 <halfhalo_class> cheating=good
Jun 24 22:28:49 <sugardave> hehe
Jun 24 22:29:13 <lemketron> I like to say "It's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know that knows what you don't know, but need to know... you know?"
Jun 24 22:29:19 <sugardave> I'm cheating with downloadManager cancels...soemtimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
Jun 24 22:29:28 <discombobulate> heh
Jun 24 22:29:59 <oilsworkn> hey lemketron, i have a question about applicationManager and the launch method
Jun 24 22:30:09 <halfhalo_class> speaking of webos, where the hell did my pre go...
Jun 24 22:30:14 <oilsworkn> is there any way to make it not spawn the splash card?
Jun 24 22:30:53 <oilsworkn> we want to put govnah support in modeswitcher, but when it launches govnah telling it to change profiles, something which doesn't need a card, it leaves that splash card running
Jun 24 22:31:20 <oilsworkn> kind of makes it difficult to do cross-app integration
Jun 24 22:31:30 <lemketron> Huh...  probably.  Make it a multi-stage app? I'm thinking like Baseball Live! which "launches" into a dashboard icon
Jun 24 22:31:51 <oilsworkn> well, it is multi-stage in that its noWindow: true
Jun 24 22:31:56 <oilsworkn> but there is really only one stage
Jun 24 22:32:06 <lemketron> and you want it to do something without showing even that stage?
Jun 24 22:32:10 <oilsworkn> right
Jun 24 22:32:18 <oilsworkn> like when the timer service launches an app
Jun 24 22:32:27 <oilsworkn> there is no stage, it just processes, and goes away unless it needs to show something
Jun 24 22:32:36 <lemketron> not sure.  lemme ask someone^H^H^H^H I mean lemme think about it for a minute...
Jun 24 22:32:40 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 24 22:32:44 <discombobulate> hah
Jun 24 22:32:49 <oilsworkn> a luna-send from command line doesn't spawn the splash card
Jun 24 22:33:00 <oilsworkn> but calling the launch method from another app does
Jun 24 22:33:33 <abeNd-org> is there anything from webos like "powerhero" for palmos? or at least something that can schedule a power off at night & power on in the morning like powerhero did?
Jun 24 22:34:07 <halfhalo_class> Someone should write a gpl'ed message service that all apps can use to talk to each other
Jun 24 22:34:24 <oilsworkn> halfhalo_class: i thought that was supposed to be the launch method :)
Jun 24 22:34:29 <oilsworkn> or rather, thats how we wanted to use it
Jun 24 22:34:31 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 22:36:22 <Roy-Pre101> abeNd-org: There's a patch for that.  Download Preware
Jun 24 22:36:30 <Roy-Pre101> Or maybe it's homebrew.  Not sure which.
Jun 24 22:36:35 <lemketron> if the app you're calling (e.g. govnah) supports alternate launch parameters, it can in theory just not create a stage when it is called with those alternate params.
Jun 24 22:36:46 <oilsworkn> which is what it does
Jun 24 22:36:48 <oilsworkn> rather, doesn't do
Jun 24 22:37:10 <oilsworkn> it doesn't open a stage
Jun 24 22:37:17 <lemketron> so I'm told it is definitely possible, but am looking for a specific example.
Jun 24 22:37:19 <dawm> oh yah.. i found out how to setup command handlers .. such as twitter://  but it would have to be a patch
Jun 24 22:37:43 <oilsworkn> lemketron: cool :)
Jun 24 22:38:34 <lemketron> how about this: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1598&Itemid=26#AdvancedAppGuidelines-LaunchHandler
Jun 24 22:39:34 <oilsworkn> i dont think that helps
Jun 24 22:39:49 <oilsworkn> the handleLaunch already checks different params
Jun 24 22:40:01 <oilsworkn> if there isn't any, its a normal launch, loads the main stage,e tc, etc
Jun 24 22:40:13 <oilsworkn> if it gets specific params it doesn't create a stage
Jun 24 22:40:40 <oilsworkn> but if its an initial launch, with the params which doesnt lead to creating a card
Jun 24 22:40:53 <oilsworkn> the splash screen still shows up
Jun 24 22:42:14 <abeNd-org> roypre101 i figured there was something on preware, but there is quite a lot on there, i wasnt sure which specific app. I just don't know which specific app would do that.
Jun 24 22:43:10 <oilsworkn> lemketron: am i making any sense?
Jun 24 22:43:27 <halfhalo_class> you never make sense
Jun 24 22:43:33 <oilsworkn> ;(
Jun 24 22:43:39 <halfhalo_class>  /rimshot
Jun 24 22:43:42 <halfhalo_class> :p
Jun 24 22:46:31 <needhelpwithwebO>  lemketron can you ask your friend if accessing properties like inSender.Name is valid ?
Jun 24 22:48:12 <lemketron> needhelp: try it in the debugger.  You should be able to click on inSender and view its properties
Jun 24 22:48:24 <lemketron> or type it into the console
Jun 24 22:48:28 <lemketron> great way to inspect stuff at runtime
Jun 24 22:49:11 <lemketron> oilsworkn: Yeah, I understand what you're saying and have asked for clarification...  either we're both missing something or it's a bug.  I'll see if I can find out which.
Jun 24 22:50:04 <oilsworkn> lemketron: cool
Jun 24 22:50:19 <oilsworkn> i can create two little apps so they can recreate the problem if its needed
Jun 24 22:50:22 <oilsworkn> just let me know
Jun 24 22:52:47 <halfhalo_class> bbl
Jun 24 22:57:56 <torchie> is the mobile google page messed up for anyone else's pre
Jun 24 22:59:26 <lemketron> oilsworkn:  The receiving app needs to have "noWidow":true in its appinfo.json file.
Jun 24 22:59:35 <oilsworkn> it does
Jun 24 22:59:38 <lemketron> d'oh
Jun 24 22:59:44 * oilsworkn double checks
Jun 24 23:00:10 <oilsworkn> yeah, it does
Jun 24 23:00:35 <lemketron> Huh.
Jun 24 23:01:43 <needhelpwithwebO> thanks
Jun 24 23:01:47 <needhelpwithwebO> lemketron
Jun 24 23:01:49 <needhelpwithwebO> it works..
Jun 24 23:01:55 <needhelpwithwebO> dont know if i can grab the name
Jun 24 23:02:04 <needhelpwithwebO> but at least I can see it stopping
Jun 24 23:02:47 <lemketron> oilsworkn: I wonder if you're running into this: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=5951&p=28840&hilit=nowindow#p28840
Jun 24 23:03:46 <oilsworkn> yeah, i remember seeing that when i first searched on it
Jun 24 23:03:54 <oilsworkn> i believe it is the same thing
Jun 24 23:04:00 <oilsworkn> with the one difference of, not being launched from the launcher
Jun 24 23:04:18 <oilsworkn> so if the app is not launched from the launcher, does it need to launch a card? :)
Jun 24 23:05:30 <oilsworkn> i haven't looked at the applauncher code, but i assume it launches the apps with the same applicationManager launch method that we would be using
Jun 24 23:40:36 <haeffb> lemketron: requiring an app to launch a card/stage is....uh....bad.
Jun 24 23:40:53 * haeffb notes that email doesn't launch a card when it checks for new emails...
Jun 24 23:42:37 <dawm> ugh
Jun 24 23:42:43 <dawm> i need coke bottle caps..
Jun 24 23:43:34 <maik> i'll bite...why?
Jun 24 23:44:35 <dawm> to test this app ;p
Jun 24 23:44:46 <maik> how very strange
Jun 24 23:45:39 <dawm> not really
Jun 24 23:45:45 <dawm> http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/mcr_mock.png
Jun 24 23:47:13 <maik> ooooh
Jun 24 23:47:32 <maik> do you work for coke or do you have hopes of selling this to them?
Jun 24 23:47:45 <dawm> neither, just making it to make it
Jun 24 23:47:55 <dawm> and i hate coke ;p im a mtndew fan
Jun 24 23:47:57 <maik> good lock not getting your shit sued :)
Jun 24 23:48:02 <maik> oh for sure
Jun 24 23:48:49 <dawm> i dont see how i would, im using parts of their code, clearly stating im not affliated with them, and im not charging for the app
Jun 24 23:52:06 <pandora--> hehe yeah. good luck
Jun 24 23:52:24 <pandora--> Palm shut me down from publishing an app that /kindof/ resembled their name
Jun 24 23:52:35 <maik> dawm: using the term Coca-Cola without permission i'm pretty sure is a violation
Jun 24 23:52:48 <Mousey> even if it's Fan Art(tm)?
Jun 24 23:52:49 <maik> s/term/name\/trademark/
Jun 24 23:52:50 <dawm> the iphone app does it
Jun 24 23:53:02 <dawm> and its not 'endorsed'
Jun 24 23:53:05 <maik> your "Fan Art" very closely resembles real art
Jun 24 23:53:06 <pandora--> it's a Yammer client (it's like twitter) and Yammer declined my request to publish it too because the colors were too similar
Jun 24 23:53:07 <pandora--> ugh
Jun 24 23:53:29 <maik> well, i'm definitely hoping to be wrong, but we are a litigious society, so use caution
Jun 24 23:53:33 <maik> and good luck
Jun 24 23:53:42 <Mousey> and may the source be with you
Jun 24 23:53:43 <pandora--> dawm: they usually put "fair use" clauses in the legal agreements which you can find to answer this
Jun 24 23:53:43 <Mousey> ...always
Jun 24 23:53:49 <maik> heh
Jun 24 23:58:42 <hemna> Looks like Ares has a map widget.  is there a way to use that w/o using ares?
Jun 24 23:58:47 <kesne> Hey all!
Jun 25 00:01:46 <pandora--> yo kesne
Jun 25 00:01:55 <pandora--> hemna: no idea
Jun 25 00:01:58 <kesne> Hey
Jun 25 00:02:00 <kesne> How goes it?
Jun 25 00:02:16 <pandora--> rockin out in santa monica today
Jun 25 00:02:36 <kesne> Sounds like a blast
Jun 25 00:03:01 <kesne> you should play a game of checkers while you wait
Jun 25 00:03:16 <pandora--> what am i waiting for?
Jun 25 00:07:02 <kesne> Bleh
Jun 25 00:07:11 <kesne> I can never type what I mean to say
Jun 25 00:07:17 <kesne> Note: I fail at multitasking
Jun 25 00:07:38 <kesne> What I meant: You should play a game of Checkers Online while you are there.
Jun 25 00:13:18 <Roy-Pre101> Checkers Online sucks!  Don't play it!
Jun 25 00:13:26 <Roy-Pre101> SUUUUUUCKS
Jun 25 00:13:36 <Roy-Pre101> kesne: Right?
Jun 25 00:13:47 <lemketron> hemna: Not sure, but why not just use it in ares?  You can see how easy it is to hook up the location service by following the GPS/Maps tutorial: https://ares.palm.com/Ares/docstemp/tutorial10.html
Jun 25 00:13:58 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: Hey!  How goes?
Jun 25 00:14:08 <hemna> yah...I'm not a fan of Ares myself.
Jun 25 00:14:10 <hemna> I like hand coding
Jun 25 00:14:30 <hemna> I just find it odd that widgets are available in Ares, but not outside of Ares.
Jun 25 00:14:31 <Roy-Pre101> hemna: You can mix and match.
Jun 25 00:14:38 <lemketron> the maps widget is, afaik, just a wrapper around the google v3 maps api
Jun 25 00:14:46 <Roy-Pre101> Also, you can extract the javascript from Ares if you want to.
Jun 25 00:15:48 <Roy-Pre101> Man, it's not fun if you can't taunt kesne.  Where did he go?
Jun 25 00:16:25 <lemketron> Roy: You can taunt dkirker instead...  ;-)
Jun 25 00:16:33 <dkirker> :o
Jun 25 00:16:36 <dkirker> hi lemketron
Jun 25 00:16:49 <lemketron> hey
Jun 25 00:17:06 <lemketron> setting up your own little gsm network yet?
Jun 25 00:17:12 <dkirker> kinda :)
Jun 25 00:17:22 <lemketron> cool, can you charge people money to use it?  ;-)
Jun 25 00:17:23 <dkirker> and working on a killer webOS app :)
Jun 25 00:17:31 <lemketron> 'bout time!!  lol
Jun 25 00:17:32 <dkirker> lol
Jun 25 00:17:47 <dkirker> lemketron: I needed the PDK to get it to work. :)
Jun 25 00:17:54 * dkirker shuts his mouth now
Jun 25 00:18:21 * lemketron is still waiting to see some cool map apps using the ares maps widget
Jun 25 00:18:34 <dkirker> but yeah, kinda hard to do SIP and RTP in JavaScript ;)
Jun 25 00:19:15 <lemketron> damn
Jun 25 00:19:38 <lemketron> (I hate when I close the wrong window, meaning irc instead of some other window on my desktop)
Jun 25 00:20:00 <dkirker> I am sad that I am not back at Palm this summer, but the benefit is that I can work on my app and get it in the app store. :)
Jun 25 00:24:54 <haeffb> maybe I should do my next app in Ares...
Jun 25 00:30:18 <Roy-Pre101> I'm doing my non-Ares app in Ares now because of the debugger.
Jun 25 00:34:34 <lemketron> cool.  of course, you could use the stand-alone debugger too...
Jun 25 00:35:18 <dawm> anyone know how to get a text field to stay in all uppercase? text-transform: isnt working
Jun 25 00:41:15 <rwhitby> dkirker: any chance of setting this channel back to not being required to register to access?  we're getting people coming to -internals continually asking why no-one is answering them in here
Jun 25 00:41:36 <dkirker> rwhitby: Not sure who set that. I have considered lifting it...
Jun 25 00:41:59 <rwhitby> dkirker: it was set at the time of the great spamlink attack on freenode
Jun 25 00:42:08 <dkirker> ah, right...
Jun 25 00:42:11 <dkirker> 1 sec
Jun 25 00:42:11 <rwhitby> freenode have since fixed things
Jun 25 00:42:17 <dkirker> thanks for reminding me about it.
Jun 25 00:42:29 <lemketron> dawm: See http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=819&start=0
Jun 25 00:44:46 <Roy-Pre101> Podcast recording night.  Anyone have anything interesting going on?
Jun 25 00:45:23 <Roy-Pre101> Any interesting apps I should download quickly?
Jun 25 00:45:29 <pandora--> Yalm?
Jun 25 00:45:35 <pandora--> the first Yammer client for WebOS?
Jun 25 00:45:41 <dawm> i need coke bottle cap codes so i can test this ;|
Jun 25 00:45:45 <Roy-Pre101> I think someone else is on that one.
Jun 25 00:45:59 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: oh? awesome :)
Jun 25 00:46:12 <dawm> pandora--, you try calling it Pammer ?
Jun 25 00:46:13 <Roy-Pre101> Not sure for tonight but I know it's being used so will show up soon.
Jun 25 00:46:16 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: very few downloads... i think Yammer/Palm users don't know
Jun 25 00:46:33 <Roy-Pre101> to be honest, I didn't know what yammer was.
Jun 25 00:46:33 <pandora--> dawm: lol actually, it was originally submitted as Palmmer
Jun 25 00:46:44 <pandora--> dawm: Palm rejected my submission for that
Jun 25 00:46:49 <dawm> weak
Jun 25 00:46:54 <pandora--> right?
Jun 25 00:47:08 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: yeah yammer is pretty new, but growing quickly
Jun 25 00:47:17 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: i've had to use it at my last two jobs
Jun 25 00:47:37 <pandora--> so, having the Pre, I really wanted to have a real app (so i wrote one)
Jun 25 00:47:54 <Roy-Pre101> woot
Jun 25 00:49:08 <pandora--> barely breaking even on the app submission fee
Jun 25 00:49:10 <pandora--> heh
Jun 25 00:49:17 <pandora--> but the feedback has been great
Jun 25 00:49:31 <pandora--> lots of people have contacted me with praise and suggestions/requests
Jun 25 00:49:47 <pandora--> much more than apps that have >1,000 downloads i have in the store
Jun 25 00:49:54 <Roy-Pre101> There, I bought it.
Jun 25 00:50:04 <pandora--> heh thanks :)
Jun 25 00:50:15 <Roy-Pre101> Go buy Match 'Em. :)
Jun 25 00:50:30 <Roy-Pre101> And the xmas edition if you're feeling generous. ;D
Jun 25 00:51:17 <pandora--> ok
Jun 25 00:51:25 <pandora--> match em; downloads++
Jun 25 00:51:34 <Roy-Pre101> woohoo.
Jun 25 00:53:25 <Roy-Pre101> pandora--: What apps do you like that aren't yours?
Jun 25 00:53:33 <oil> lol
Jun 25 00:53:37 <pandora--> haha
Jun 25 00:53:45 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: News: we've hit 1.2GHz overclocking, Save/Restore has two new contributors writing scripts, looking for mojo developers to help with coding of an app spam filter for Preware.
Jun 25 00:54:10 <Roy-Pre101> 1.2 GHz is already on the menu.
Jun 25 00:54:21 * oil wonders if anyone will ever to respond to rwhitby asking for mojo help but me :)
Jun 25 00:54:25 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: Glad Thats Not Me
Jun 25 00:54:26 <Roy-Pre101> I should probably start doing the wed. news roundup again.
Jun 25 00:54:40 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: that's my #1 time kill app when i'm waiting for coffee or something
Jun 25 00:55:00 <dkirker> rwhitby: Do you know which mode lock is the one for registered nicks only?
Jun 25 00:55:11 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: and the Kama Sutra app :)
Jun 25 00:55:15 <dawm> oooh!! i found a cap!
Jun 25 00:55:19 <Roy-Pre101> hah
Jun 25 00:55:24 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: my wife liked that one too
Jun 25 00:55:26 <pandora--> fwiw
Jun 25 00:55:32 <pandora--> heh
Jun 25 00:55:35 <Roy-Pre101> good to know she's involved...
Jun 25 00:55:59 <pandora--> she cracked me up i showed her and she's like "done it. done it. done it, boring, done it"
Jun 25 00:56:07 <pandora--> hahaha
Jun 25 00:56:26 <oil> lol
Jun 25 00:57:11 <rwhitby> dkirker: maybe +r
Jun 25 00:58:03 <Roy-Pre101> heh
Jun 25 00:58:05 <dkirker> hmmm.. I have the mlock set like I do in my other channels
Jun 25 00:58:27 <rwhitby> dkirker: "If a channel is set to mode +r, you won't be able to join it unless you are registered and identified to nickserv. "
Jun 25 00:59:12 <dkirker> hmmmm... weird...
Jun 25 00:59:14 <dkirker> ChanServ: Mode lock  : +ntc-s
Jun 25 01:01:52 <dkirker> alright, I need to head out. rwhitby, I'll take a look at it later and figure it out...
Jun 25 01:03:17 <rwhitby> dkirker: thx
Jun 25 01:03:43 <dkirker> lemketron: Have a good evening! Talk to you later.
Jun 25 01:06:18 <kesne> Roy-Pre101: I hate you
Jun 25 01:07:11 <pandora--> heh
Jun 25 01:07:20 <Roy-Pre101> yay!
Jun 25 01:07:45 <kesne> Back now
Jun 25 01:07:52 <kesne> Checkers Online does suck a little
Jun 25 01:15:03 <EmmettLollis> is there a way in javascript to define a structure?
Jun 25 01:22:16 <vrtisworks> I have a quick question (maybe)... Can I load an external Javascript file in the scene HTML?
Jun 25 01:22:30 <vrtisworks> I know that I can load it in index.html, but it doesn't seem to work in the scene HTML..
Jun 25 01:23:42 <dawm> you should be able to
Jun 25 01:29:36 <vrtisworks> I thought so too, but when I tried it, the log didn't show any error, and the network trace didn't show any request.
Jun 25 01:34:01 <dawm> http://www.playedonline.com/game/598506/doodle-god.html
Jun 25 01:44:35 <Chriswebos> Can someone tell me how to make a widget and a piece of text appear on the same line in a widget list?
Jun 25 01:47:35 <kesne> dawm: I hate you
Jun 25 01:47:39 <dawm> ?
Jun 25 01:48:38 <Chriswebos> anyone?
Jun 25 02:08:25 <sugardave> Chriswebos: float left and right?
Jun 25 02:08:54 <renegaid> cannot believe there is no word on a new webos device as yet
Jun 25 02:09:01 <sugardave> various padding/margin combinations...relative positioning and fancy top/left/right/bottom spacing....
Jun 25 02:09:15 <Chriswebos> ummm....not sure where to put it....here's what I have: #{other}<div id="att-toggle" x-mojo-element="ToggleButton" class="toggle-text"></div>
Jun 25 02:09:51 <Chriswebos> I want the info stuffed into #{other} on the same line as the toggle-button
Jun 25 02:10:00 <sugardave> <div class="myLeftClass">#{other}</div>
Jun 25 02:10:06 <sugardave> the float myLeftClass left
Jun 25 02:10:27 <sugardave> and float right the other one by id, or add a myRightClass to it
Jun 25 02:11:01 <Chriswebos> okay, let me try it...
Jun 25 02:13:43 <Chriswebos> sugardave = awesome
Jun 25 02:17:44 <haeffb> don't say that...it'll go to his head.
Jun 25 02:18:07 <Chriswebos> haeffb: well, i can't pay him...
Jun 25 02:18:30 * BigBiff_pre would kill for a quicken app right now
Jun 25 02:18:45 <Chriswebos> Hey, what do you guys think of a Rhapsody app?
Jun 25 02:18:57 <haeffb> would be cool
Jun 25 02:19:30 <Chriswebos> i'm thinking of developing one...if they open up this dev tool for me...and allow me to make money on it
Jun 25 02:20:06 <torchie> are you able to do that?
Jun 25 02:20:17 <torchie> I remember seeing a Yahoo answers powered app on the catalog but that's free
Jun 25 02:20:55 <Chriswebos> well, there is a forum post of people asking for a webos rhapsody app...the devs say that webos is pretty dead and they have no plans to develop one
Jun 25 02:21:23 <Chriswebos> they said they could let me do it...but not sure about me making money on it
Jun 25 02:23:13 <BigBiff_pre> tired of 'webos is dead'
Jun 25 02:23:28 <sugardave> "I feel fine!"
Jun 25 02:23:56 <Chriswebos> can't blame people though...engadget has new device info everyday...nothing of webos in months
Jun 25 02:24:05 <Chriswebos> except maybe a release on ATT
Jun 25 02:24:09 <BigBiff_pre> yup
Jun 25 02:24:36 <Chriswebos> i'm hoping the predictions of new announcements after the merger are true
Jun 25 02:24:51 <haeffb> when is merger final?
Jun 25 02:25:06 * sugardave consults his crystal ball.
Jun 25 02:25:08 <Chriswebos> i think it's sposed to be july 31st
Jun 25 02:25:11 <sugardave> "Ask again later."
Jun 25 02:25:21 <Chriswebos> WAIT!!! Vote is tomorrow!!!
Jun 25 02:25:28 <Chriswebos> June 25th
Jun 25 02:25:40 <Chriswebos> so, maybe we'll hear something after the vote
Jun 25 02:25:52 <BigBiff_pre> maybe
Jun 25 02:26:22 <Chriswebos> or we get a month of speculation over the next month until merger is complete
Jun 25 02:26:43 <BigBiff_pre> I messed with the ev0.. ginormous... man purse is mandatory
Jun 25 02:27:09 <Chriswebos> i like the widgets, but switching between apps is a pain
Jun 25 02:27:10 <BigBiff_pre> not for me
Jun 25 02:27:20 <Chriswebos> u don't like widgets?
Jun 25 02:27:24 <BigBiff_pre> phone, that is
Jun 25 02:27:42 <Chriswebos> oh...i love the screen and the speed...but i switch between apps too much
Jun 25 02:27:54 <BigBiff_pre> me 2
Jun 25 02:27:56 <dawm> time to do a backup of the svn
Jun 25 02:28:07 <renegaid> i did mpt ;oke the evo
Jun 25 02:28:16 <haeffb> really?
Jun 25 02:28:24 <renegaid> did not like
Jun 25 02:28:27 <haeffb> :)
Jun 25 02:28:30 <Chriswebos> Pre w/bigger screen + more speed & memory + apps (e.g. Audible and Rhapsody) = heaven for me
Jun 25 02:28:37 <renegaid> need a keyboard
Jun 25 02:28:38 <BigBiff_pre> me too
Jun 25 02:28:47 <renegaid> screen is low quality 16bit
Jun 25 02:28:57 <renegaid> bih
Jun 25 02:29:00 <renegaid> big
Jun 25 02:29:24 <dawm> frak.. 98megs.. guess i wont be emailing it to myself
Jun 25 02:30:36 <BigBiff_pre> I would like to see an effort made to port alot of the old palmos apps over
Jun 25 02:30:51 <renegaid> aren't those just old
Jun 25 02:30:56 <BigBiff_pre> I guess those devs moved on
Jun 25 02:31:10 <Amaranth> stupid SDLmain
Jun 25 02:31:24 <BigBiff_pre> well, of course they'd be updated
Jun 25 02:31:38 <BigBiff_pre> but as I keep saying,
Jun 25 02:31:58 <BigBiff_pre> I need my pocket quicken desparately
Jun 25 02:32:32 <renegaid> i don't understand why webos had such a slow start with apps
Jun 25 02:32:43 <renegaid> not enough tools?
Jun 25 02:32:55 <halfhalo> The fact that no sdk was available at launch?
Jun 25 02:33:13 <BigBiff_pre> I didn't know that
Jun 25 02:35:05 <BigBiff_pre> how long after launch was it released?
Jun 25 02:35:28 <halfhalo> I think sdk wend public near sept
Jun 25 02:35:36 <Chriswebos> Also, some of the API's aren't available
Jun 25 02:35:54 <BigBiff_pre> well, ya like mic but...
Jun 25 02:36:07 <Chriswebos> yeah...we limped along for several months with only 30 apps, remember
Jun 25 02:36:13 <Chriswebos> ?
Jun 25 02:36:34 <BigBiff_pre> I was surprised that more devs didn't jump on it early on
Jun 25 02:36:34 <sugardave> yes, I remember
Jun 25 02:36:42 <halfhalo> good times....
Jun 25 02:37:16 <sugardave> I remember trying to learn js by doing Mojo programming before I had the sdk...man, that was pretty frustrating
Jun 25 02:37:33 <BigBiff_pre> hehe
Jun 25 02:38:03 <dawm> lovely
Jun 25 02:38:15 <dawm> phone is permastuck in dev mode.. and i really dont wanna doctor it
Jun 25 02:38:18 <Chriswebos> i believe the OS was released before the sdk
Jun 25 02:38:29 <Chriswebos> OS sorce code
Jun 25 02:38:35 <sugardave> yes
Jun 25 02:38:58 <Chriswebos> homebrew community sprouted up without sdk didn't it?
Jun 25 02:39:08 <dawm> yeh
Jun 25 02:39:42 <BigBiff_pre> hmm
Jun 25 02:39:42 <dawm> you used to be able to email ipk's and install them
Jun 25 02:41:03 <sugardave> look how far we've come in a year!
Jun 25 02:41:12 <halfhalo> 3 feet?
Jun 25 02:41:16 <sugardave> yay us!
Jun 25 02:41:54 <dawm> yeah its coming up on a year for me.. i got my pre during the bestbuy price mistake.. my htc mogul died taht day and i jsut happened to be in bestbuy and noticed the signs.. clarified that it was indeed $99, and promptly bought one ;p
Jun 25 02:42:20 <BigBiff_pre> wow
Jun 25 02:42:36 <sugardave> I was in London when the Pre came out, so I didn't get mine until about a week after release, but I was waiting to get back so I could get one
Jun 25 02:43:03 <Amaranth> I bought one a month ago for $250 from ebay :)
Jun 25 02:43:10 <dawm> i almost didnt get one cause the last time i was in the sprint store (getting the mogul fixed) i didnt like the pre that they had as a demo
Jun 25 02:43:21 <Amaranth> The free Mobile Hotspot drew me in
Jun 25 02:43:24 <dawm> it seemed tiny
Jun 25 02:43:33 <halfhalo> Launch day pre here
Jun 25 02:43:43 <dawm> but it was a wise decision $P
Jun 25 02:44:08 <BigBiff_pre> looks even tinier now on the shelf at best buy
Jun 25 02:44:19 <dawm> is it next to an Evo? ;p
Jun 25 02:44:30 <BigBiff_pre> close enough
Jun 25 02:44:55 <Tibfib> launch day pre user, using 3rd pre though
Jun 25 02:44:55 <BigBiff_pre> *man purse
Jun 25 02:45:20 <dawm> im on #2, but procrastinating on getting #3.. nice crack in my screen
Jun 25 02:46:01 <BigBiff_pre> I've dropped about 10 times on pavement. only 2 small cracks
Jun 25 02:47:09 <HattCzech> who is it that runs keen studios?
Jun 25 02:47:16 <dawm> kesne,
Jun 25 02:47:23 <sugardave> some jerkoff
Jun 25 02:47:25 <kesne> dawm,
Jun 25 02:47:27 <sugardave> I mean kesne
Jun 25 02:47:31 <kesne> Oh
Jun 25 02:47:33 <kesne> That's me
Jun 25 02:47:35 <dawm> you hate me?
Jun 25 02:47:48 <kesne> dawm: no, I forget why I say that
Jun 25 02:47:49 <HattCzech> you need to cut back on something on the site
Jun 25 02:47:54 <dawm> lolz
Jun 25 02:47:58 <HattCzech> my computer was running at 33% cpu
Jun 25 02:48:01 <kesne> HattCzech: elaborate
Jun 25 02:48:02 <HattCzech> and it's a quad core
Jun 25 02:48:02 <kesne> Oh
Jun 25 02:48:03 <kesne> Yeah
Jun 25 02:48:05 <kesne> Hehehe
Jun 25 02:48:06 <kesne> Mine too
Jun 25 02:48:09 <dawm> HattCzech, i got you beat
Jun 25 02:48:17 <dawm> i had the site open in the background for 3 hours
Jun 25 02:48:19 <kesne> Actuall, leave it running and it will take over 50%
Jun 25 02:48:24 <dawm> i was wondering why my fan was on high
Jun 25 02:48:25 <HattCzech> JEEBUS!
Jun 25 02:48:33 <dawm> then i started to investigate
Jun 25 02:48:35 <HattCzech> yeah, i was wondering why my computer was running slow
Jun 25 02:48:38 <dawm> was like.. damn it jordan..
Jun 25 02:48:46 <HattCzech> couldn't click between tabs in firefox or scroll very fast
Jun 25 02:49:08 <HattCzech> closed that tab and MAGIC!
Jun 25 02:49:11 <HattCzech> all fixed :)
Jun 25 02:49:13 <torchie> 0 is false and 1 is true right
Jun 25 02:49:20 <HattCzech> correct
Jun 25 02:49:31 <torchie> alright just making sure logic hasn't changed
Jun 25 02:49:36 <HattCzech> heheh
Jun 25 02:49:47 <HattCzech> unless 0 = !true and 1 = !false
Jun 25 02:49:48 <HattCzech> then what?
Jun 25 02:56:42 <EmmettLollis> whats wrong with this code?...
Jun 25 02:56:44 <EmmettLollis> MainAssistant.prototype = {
Jun 25 02:56:44 <EmmettLollis> 	totalsDb = new TotalsDb();
Jun 25 02:56:58 <dawm> heh
Jun 25 02:56:59 <dawm> um
Jun 25 02:57:02 <dawm> the first line
Jun 25 02:57:14 <EmmettLollis> what am i doing wrong?
Jun 25 02:57:26 <EmmettLollis> <-- doesn't have java syntax down yet
Jun 25 02:57:28 <dawm> MainAssistant.prototype.functionName = fuction() {  // code }
Jun 25 02:58:02 <EmmettLollis> it was working before i added totalsDb = new TotalsDb();
Jun 25 02:58:11 <dawm> i dont see how
Jun 25 02:59:07 <EmmettLollis> its the way ares sets up all the assistants
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