**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 28 02:59:57 2010 Jun 28 03:03:15 * haeffb out. Night folks. Jun 28 03:03:35 night Jun 28 03:04:32 later haeffb Jun 28 03:04:34 man I'm hoping hard for a webOS tablet Jun 28 03:04:48 it would be cool Jun 28 03:04:56 hopefully some news at the end of the week Jun 28 03:04:57 if my laptop wasn't a tablet laptop i'd get one Jun 28 03:06:04 how about a pre that runs iphone apps Jun 28 03:06:13 I kind of just want to Jun 28 03:06:14 no wait.. competition Jun 28 03:06:20 replace my laptop with a tablet because I'm a madman Jun 28 03:06:31 you'll hate it if you replace it Jun 28 03:06:32 well I dunno, I'd need a laptop to compile code Jun 28 03:06:41 i love the touchscreen stuff, but a keyboard is a must for typing Jun 28 03:06:46 keep them both with you Jun 28 03:06:49 eh well Jun 28 03:06:53 i almost never write on mine unless it's class notes Jun 28 03:06:59 how bad could it be Jun 28 03:07:08 or better yet.. carry your desktop with you Jun 28 03:07:15 it's slow, and handwriting-to-text isn't the best yet Jun 28 03:07:48 i remember when voice control first came out Jun 28 03:07:49 I think typing would be better than handwriting anyway Jun 28 03:07:50 lol Jun 28 03:08:07 typing is like press this button with the picture of the A on it Jun 28 03:08:09 BOOM Jun 28 03:08:10 there's an A Jun 28 03:08:11 yea, i type everything unless i'm taking notes with lots of diagrams, then i draw it on my screen Jun 28 03:08:16 handwriting is like hoooo draw all these lines Jun 28 03:08:21 and eventually you get an A Jun 28 03:08:37 tablet + bluetooth keyboard, is that an impossible dream or something? Jun 28 03:08:44 ipad did it Jun 28 03:09:31 look at the hp tx2000z Jun 28 03:09:34 it's what i have Jun 28 03:09:40 you can type and draw at the same time Jun 28 03:10:00 i've got a note taking program that i can type all my notes into, click "add picture" draw the diagram, and then keep typing Jun 28 03:10:37 I just want the next webos device to have like Jun 28 03:10:40 20 GB of ram Jun 28 03:11:19 too many cards? hah, never! Jun 28 03:11:38 i get that message when i have just one thing open Jun 28 03:12:00 please, there will be plenty of devs who will write code that eats that RAM in no time Jun 28 03:12:34 true Jun 28 03:13:26 it's going to suck if we ever hit a hardware platoue Jun 28 03:13:35 people will have to start optimising again Jun 28 03:13:47 and from the kids in my CS classes, they will be completely screwed Jun 28 03:13:58 from seeing the* Jun 28 03:16:19 what kind of sickening stuff do you see them write Jun 28 03:16:31 i tutor a good half of them Jun 28 03:16:42 cept one kid who cheats and copies code from the internet Jun 28 03:16:59 but i will write a simple program that fully does something, even recursively that runs in .5-2s Jun 28 03:17:02 they should make an assembly language interface for the pre Jun 28 03:17:05 theirs will take 5+ seconds Jun 28 03:17:53 and mine will have more features, be well written, commented, with functions and methods Jun 28 03:18:00 their entire program will be a complete mess inside main() Jun 28 03:18:19 yeesh Jun 28 03:18:26 well I'm guilty of writing tests in main() Jun 28 03:20:00 yea, but not the entire program that you submit for a grade Jun 28 03:20:19 we did a hardware thing with phidgets and one kid had 23 pages of code, all in main() Jun 28 03:20:28 and he stole all the code, images, and stuff from a tutorial online Jun 28 03:20:34 and poorly modified it to run for him Jun 28 03:20:56 well at least I know I'm not everything-in-main() bad Jun 28 03:21:00 * torchie wipes a sweat Jun 28 03:21:03 lol Jun 28 03:21:08 mine was 2 pages with comments Jun 28 03:21:11 and it was cooler than his Jun 28 03:21:57 what language? Jun 28 03:22:21 java, it was a java class Jun 28 03:22:25 damn....so what you're saying is I should go back to school and get a CS degree? Jun 28 03:22:39 ah yeah we were doing java for CS introductory Jun 28 03:22:48 * dkirker shivers Jun 28 03:22:49 i've been coding since i was a kid, 90% of the kids in there never coded before Jun 28 03:22:53 java... nasty :( Jun 28 03:22:55 my friends had this really lolzy contest to see who could write a program with the least lines of code Jun 28 03:23:25 it ended with them eventually just putting the program, removing indentation and all, on one line Jun 28 03:23:38 my intro teacher sucked Jun 28 03:23:48 i ended up running my code through an obfuscator just to fuck with her Jun 28 03:24:23 my intro teacher was a badass Jun 28 03:24:29 been doing it since the punch card days Jun 28 03:24:36 problem is I sucked Jun 28 03:24:55 ah, she only knew java, knew it poorly, taught it horribly, and it was a bad class Jun 28 03:25:02 yeowch Jun 28 03:25:10 CS with a teacher that only knows java? Jun 28 03:25:21 my c, assembly, logic circuits, and other teachers were awesome though Jun 28 03:25:22 that's just wrong Jun 28 03:25:27 that's why she was the intro teacher Jun 28 03:25:33 I guess I have been luck with my professors. Jun 28 03:25:49 hopefully I'll be lucky with my profs in uni Jun 28 03:25:51 I only had official classes in Pascal Jun 28 03:25:58 do they still teach that? Jun 28 03:26:50 I don't think that they do here at Cal Poly Jun 28 03:27:17 shame Jun 28 03:27:22 Officially, they teach C and Java (which I guess seems to be the standard). Then it is up to the professor depending on the type of class. Jun 28 03:27:31 So, they might for a programming languages class. Jun 28 03:29:01 we switch between c and java Jun 28 03:29:18 but the good teachers all say the same thing "a language is just a tool, use what you want' Jun 28 03:29:22 so i use c even in java classes Jun 28 03:30:34 nice Jun 28 03:30:47 sage advice...that's what API references and syntaxt guides are for Jun 28 03:32:14 what's what they're fore? Jun 28 03:32:27 for me Jun 28 03:32:34 I have had a few classes where we got to pick which language we got to use. Jun 28 03:33:05 oh Jun 28 03:33:06 sorry Jun 28 03:33:24 they're for letting you know how to speak the language....you should already know the theory Jun 28 03:34:56 or at least learning the theory Jun 28 03:35:27 oh yeah Jun 28 03:48:31 hey all Jun 28 03:48:36 anybody here? Jun 28 03:49:07 I don't think so Jun 28 03:50:00 sugardave: Oh, okay Jun 28 03:50:00 I'll just leave then Jun 28 03:50:29 but, if you leave, then there will really be nobody here Jun 28 03:50:46 and the channel will die Jun 28 03:50:52 D: Jun 28 03:50:55 Then I'll stay Jun 28 03:50:58 do we have our infobot yet? Jun 28 03:51:13 Do you know how to push variables cross-scene? Jun 28 03:51:13 And no, unfortunetly Jun 28 03:51:13 We need one Jun 28 03:51:15 dkirker said we could have one Jun 28 03:51:27 kesne: which way? Jun 28 03:51:28 Answer my question Jun 28 03:51:36 sugardave: ? Jun 28 03:51:41 What do you mean? Jun 28 03:51:48 pass to a pushed scene or back from a popped scene? Jun 28 03:52:08 I said push :P Jun 28 03:52:16 indeed you did :P Jun 28 03:52:17 easy Jun 28 03:52:38 .pushScene({sceneArgs}, myarg1, myarg2, ....) Jun 28 03:52:47 Sweet Jun 28 03:52:52 in the constructor for that scene, add the appropriate number of args Jun 28 03:52:52 Recieving it? Jun 28 03:53:10 and then you can do stuff like this.myarg1 = myarg Jun 28 03:53:23 in the constructor Jun 28 03:57:15 Sweet Jun 28 03:58:01 I'm really digging Steven Page's new album Jun 28 03:58:21 there's a way to send one back to a scene when you pop one, but I'm not exactly sure how it works, and I think you can only send one argument, so you have to make an object if you have to send back more than one piece of data Jun 28 03:58:40 I don't know who that is Jun 28 03:58:41 I don't need to though Jun 28 04:01:45 sugardave: Only one requirement for infobot, though. It has to make me coffee. :P Jun 28 04:02:25 damn Jun 28 04:02:38 rwhitby: is there a make_coffee module on infobot? Jun 28 04:03:07 lol :) Jun 28 04:11:01 ugh Jun 28 04:11:14 go to a large image and the browser just gives up in the middle of loading it Jun 28 04:11:24 I thought I was past this Jun 28 04:12:55 torchie: webOS has restrictions on image sizes it loads Jun 28 04:13:20 is it related to max texture size? Jun 28 04:13:39 I have no idea Jun 28 04:19:19 "Well can you tell me how to download a better internet service to my phone?"' Jun 28 04:21:00 that requires a firmware update...do you have a hammer, some solder, and a soldering iron? Jun 28 04:22:36 Hehe Jun 28 04:22:37 I should have said that Jun 28 04:24:23 I just said "You can't.". Jun 28 04:24:27 Didn't even sign my name Jun 28 04:24:39 dude just download some ram Jun 28 04:25:05 That's what I need Jun 28 04:25:10 what's the website for it? Jun 28 04:25:16 dodge.com Jun 28 04:25:34 * sugardave resists temptation. Jun 28 04:28:41 Hehehe Jun 28 04:28:47 I get it Jun 28 04:28:49 Dodge Ram Jun 28 04:28:51 The car Jun 28 04:28:53 right? Jun 28 04:30:46 There are so many spammers in my Checkers 2 reviews Jun 28 04:32:23 "Keen Studios sucks big hairy balls. They delete my posts because they are hippy tree hugging faggs. Fuck blacks and jews. Fuck checkers and fuck gay europeans and stinky indian hindu pieces of shit. And asians have small dicks and eyes and can't drive." Jun 28 04:34:34 ... Jun 28 04:34:42 that is appalling Jun 28 04:34:56 and random too... Jun 28 04:41:23 i have just confirmed that i'm the biggest idiot on the planet Jun 28 04:41:41 orly? Jun 28 04:42:20 I concur Jun 28 04:42:32 dkirker: It's completely random, and really offensive Jun 28 04:42:33 tried to write some logic all day that was accomplished with 2 lines of code Jun 28 04:42:52 "Sux major ass" Jun 28 04:43:10 0 stars because it won't download Jun 28 04:44:49 How does one get access to the forbidden preware feeds? :) Jun 28 04:55:29 Amaranth: ask Roy-Pre101, and if he doesn't answer you, keep spamming him. He likes that Jun 28 04:56:01 kesne: I bet Jun 28 04:56:15 I suppose I could just be patient, shouldn't be long Jun 28 04:56:25 Or ask oil Jun 28 04:56:25 there is a website that shows you how Jun 28 04:56:31 i'll see if i can find it Jun 28 04:56:41 I'll give you his personal email if you want Jun 28 04:56:47 do you already have preware installed? Jun 28 04:58:15 well i thought i had the link.. aparently not Jun 28 05:00:19 wtf? Jun 28 05:01:43 does anyone here develop on the other smartphone platforms? Jun 28 05:03:11 oil_pre: oh, you're here? Jun 28 05:03:21 EmmettLollis: I do Jun 28 05:06:54 cool.. how difficult is it to port between the smartphones? Jun 28 05:07:06 I'm not porting :O Jun 28 05:07:50 which other platform? Jun 28 05:08:29 EmmettLollis: Yeah, PalmOS. :P Jun 28 05:08:53 hah Jun 28 05:09:23 Though, I haven't written code for it in ~6 months. :( Jun 28 05:09:40 I still want to finish up a project. Jun 28 05:09:49 i'm thinking android might be a good 2nd platform since they have fewer apps than iphone and have a huge user base Jun 28 05:10:02 Android is a decent market. Jun 28 05:10:23 cool Jun 28 05:14:56 Alright. Time to go watch an hour worth of TV before I have to check in and start a new work week. :/ Jun 28 05:15:08 Good night #webos Jun 28 05:15:20 night Jun 28 05:17:31 later dkirker Jun 28 05:19:36 EmmettLollis: android and iPhone Jun 28 05:24:14 I'd like to poke around on Android, but Java scares me Jun 28 05:25:07 Use Titanium Jun 28 05:26:23 ah, it's like PhoneGap Jun 28 05:26:32 that might work out Jun 28 05:26:34 Except better Jun 28 05:26:43 I like it because it allows for desktop shit Jun 28 05:27:03 I haen't looked at phonegap beyond the "it exists" part Jun 28 05:27:14 same here, actually Jun 28 05:27:29 but you're using the free titanium and it works? Jun 28 05:28:47 Yessir Jun 28 05:28:54 Pretty simple to use Jun 28 05:28:59 web technologies and suck Jun 28 05:29:02 *such Jun 28 05:29:28 cool Jun 28 05:36:19 whats a good practice to make sure that everything fits on the pixie and pre? Jun 28 05:36:41 switch emulator resolutions a lot Jun 28 05:36:56 run the emu in the opposite of whatever your device is Jun 28 05:37:22 use top/bottom and/or relative positioning Jun 28 05:37:36 uh... Jun 28 05:37:48 that's all I got Jun 28 05:39:08 It's called the Pixi, not Pixie Jun 28 05:39:20 odd thing is one screen i have fits the emulator but runs off the edge of my pre Jun 28 05:39:27 Pixi.. got it Jun 28 05:39:38 Palm Pixie Jun 28 05:39:42 Palm Prix Jun 28 05:39:45 torchie: go die Jun 28 05:40:06 Palm Prix.. i like that one Jun 28 05:40:41 ooo, that will be the new SPrint webOS phone....the Palm Gran Pre Jun 28 05:40:48 lol Jun 28 05:40:53 I'd totally get a Grand Pre Jun 28 05:41:32 they could just call it the Palm Prix and add some confusion to the marketplace Jun 28 05:42:53 is there a way to get the screen size in webos? Jun 28 05:44:09 do you want the actual screen height or just something that tells you which device you're running on Jun 28 05:44:27 http://webos101.com/DeviceInfo Jun 28 05:45:23 either way... thanks.... i really need to spend a day going over webos101.com Jun 28 05:45:28 has anyone seen those HP apps in the palm beta catalog? Jun 28 05:45:49 nope Jun 28 05:46:14 torchie: yep Jun 28 05:46:18 "App counter counter" lol Jun 28 05:46:51 the woman's voice in First Words is kind of mean sounding Jun 28 05:52:36 Roy-Pre101: did you ever get your scroller to work right? Jun 28 05:52:46 sugardave: Nope. Jun 28 05:52:55 I shelved it for now, I can't think anymore! Jun 28 05:53:06 ROY! Jun 28 05:53:07 :D Jun 28 05:53:10 I know that feeling Jun 28 05:56:24 word Jun 28 06:59:03 not really sure... i think its Ares specific Jun 28 06:59:11 kind of the same thing as this.controller.get Jun 28 06:59:16 sounds like a pointer Jun 28 07:18:14 hmm i tried this and it doesnt work.. .palm-header { Jun 28 07:18:14 background: url('/images/icon-32x32.png') no-repeat fixed 0px 0px; Jun 28 07:18:14 } Jun 28 07:19:38 but if i set the background color it works Jun 28 07:20:36 at long last, I have come up with some hackery to force this WebView to only scroll vertically Jun 28 07:20:39 MWAHAHAHAHAHA Jun 28 07:20:53 oooh, nice Jun 28 07:21:02 awesome, i just found a bug in my system, why it's been overheating and shutting down at night Jun 28 07:21:13 java is taking 90-110% cpu constantly Jun 28 07:21:25 if (event.distance.x > 5) {event.stop();} Jun 28 07:21:30 how simple Jun 28 07:22:07 Wolvenhaven, how can something take over 100% cpu ? :) Jun 28 07:22:20 dualcores Jun 28 07:22:27 100% on one, 10% on the other Jun 28 07:24:04 time to go open a 10.04 bug ticket Jun 28 07:25:35 whats the setting called where you get alerted on irc when someone says your name? Jun 28 07:26:30 highlight Jun 28 07:26:39 I do not know, I rely on the buitltin highlighter of my client Jun 28 07:26:43 builtin, too Jun 28 07:28:34 nope, i don't have to open a ticket, there already is one, stupid openJDK bug Jun 28 07:30:41 :) Jun 28 07:41:52 figured out how to do an icon.. sadly the pill style header covers it up ugh Jun 28 09:13:30 good morning Jun 28 09:39:18 good morning warpdesign_ Jun 28 09:39:45 does anyone here have experience with ads on their apps? Jun 28 09:39:55 just wondering if they're worth it Jun 28 09:54:36 I don't but i have also asked before Jun 28 09:54:44 And there have been alot talk about it Jun 28 09:54:58 It depends of the App Jun 28 09:59:04 HotDP: there is a similar app to the one i'm making that costs $.99 Jun 28 09:59:23 Is your App better? Jun 28 09:59:31 i think so Jun 28 10:00:06 there are other $5 apps in my category but they are way better than mine Jun 28 10:00:07 Palm people says that if you can't compite on price compite on App Jun 28 10:00:28 Hmm so there are many Apps ? but the lowest is 1$ Jun 28 10:00:36 And yours is better then that one? Jun 28 10:00:46 i would say so Jun 28 10:00:50 i could be wrong Jun 28 10:01:18 Do you plan to make your App as good as the 5$ ones or just leave it? Jun 28 10:01:25 my app stores a history as the $1 app doesnt Jun 28 10:01:35 the $5 apps are out of my league Jun 28 10:01:58 The one who talked here had earned, i think 200$ Jun 28 10:02:12 hmm Jun 28 10:02:17 And have had many 1k+ downloads Jun 28 10:02:25 damn Jun 28 10:02:30 i think i'll charge Jun 28 10:02:53 might be worth it on iphone maybe with millions of users Jun 28 10:03:06 bbl launch Jun 28 10:03:12 ok Jun 28 10:28:55 back Jun 28 10:29:54 If people can choose the free one they might take it. But i think the problem is the mass. There are not many webos devices compared to iphone Jun 28 10:30:04 But in long tearm it might be? Jun 28 10:34:40 possibly Jun 28 10:35:07 my app is a diet tracker Jun 28 10:35:25 so i think its a good niche Jun 28 10:36:10 the $1 app just tracks calories for the day pretty much Jun 28 10:36:19 mine stores a history of every meal entered Jun 28 10:36:42 so i'll have comparative reports.. also tracks daily carb intake Jun 28 10:37:12 i wanted to add the federal nutrition db but thats soooo much work Jun 28 10:37:23 Make it clear in your description that yours can "more" Jun 28 10:40:39 I think that if a app is so simple and easy to make it might be free Jun 28 10:41:30 But you have to think that you app shall be sold so many times that the Fee is paid and that is after Palms 30% and 50$ submission Jun 28 10:42:17 yeah if i charge $1 it will take 70 downloads Jun 28 10:42:54 you dont pay tax? Jun 28 10:43:30 ouch Jun 28 10:44:18 so 100 Jun 28 10:45:15 there are what 400,000 pre's out in the use right? Jun 28 10:45:38 u.s. i meant Jun 28 10:45:47 plus idk how many more in other countries Jun 28 10:46:16 android has 8 or 9 million i think Jun 28 10:47:08 surely i can find a few hundred users Jun 28 10:47:13 for the pre Jun 28 10:47:15 i hope Jun 28 10:47:31 bbiab Jun 28 10:52:40 :) Jun 28 10:52:55 then you have answered your own quastion Jun 28 11:19:01 any plans to support virtualbox 3.2 ? Jun 28 11:27:31 heya Jun 28 11:28:14 hi Jun 28 11:30:29 hi Jun 28 13:55:19 morning all Jun 28 13:55:42 hi Jun 28 13:55:59 morning Jun 28 13:56:51 hey swisstomcat Jun 28 13:57:00 you're back... Jun 28 13:57:16 didn't see you towards the end of last week Jun 28 13:57:27 vacation? or just busy? Jun 28 13:57:44 busy enjoying the nice weather Jun 28 13:58:29 that's always fun to do Jun 28 13:59:33 yeah, finally some great weather Jun 28 14:01:49 looks like i probably won't make the top 221 Jun 28 14:01:55 unfortunately :/ Jun 28 14:02:11 :( Jun 28 14:02:26 seemed that a lot of people like TXT Group Jun 28 14:02:26 i'm at 224, and might just stay there Jun 28 14:02:40 oh, so close Jun 28 14:02:42 yeah, almost at 30k unique downloads Jun 28 14:03:10 i just need another 1k or so Jun 28 14:03:33 marketing push Jun 28 14:04:27 yeah, i've tried to get something to happen Jun 28 14:04:34 tried to get it featured on precentral Jun 28 14:04:44 and talked to webosroundup about doing a review Jun 28 14:04:45 HattCzech_work, what app ? i might download :P Jun 28 14:04:54 TXT Group Jun 28 14:05:03 it might be the 1 download that makes the difference :P Jun 28 14:05:15 very true Jun 28 14:05:30 i should ask rwhitby as well... he has like 6 devices :) Jun 28 14:06:13 * haeffb_pre wants an API to tell when screen lock is on/off Jun 28 14:06:13 lol Jun 28 14:07:30 HattCzech_work: only 2 that I can buy apps on though. Jun 28 14:07:49 isn't it free? Jun 28 14:08:10 ohhh, well care to downlaod TXT Group? :) Jun 28 14:08:21 swisstomcat: he only has 2 with access to the catalog Jun 28 14:08:29 (or at least that's how i read it?) Jun 28 14:08:50 the others should be able to download free apps though? Jun 28 14:09:32 that would be different, wouldn't it? i'm not sure how all that works Jun 28 14:10:20 i can't buy apps on my gsm device for example, but access the free catalog and download Jun 28 14:11:19 ohhh, okay Jun 28 14:13:04 as far as marketing... if anyone has any pull with precentral or webosroundup, i could use it :) Jun 28 14:19:33 * haeffb_pre downloaded txtGroup Jun 28 14:19:48 it's even in german :) Jun 28 14:20:02 got any german feedback for done, haeffb? Jun 28 14:20:21 anyone want to review my new contrib to webos101? Jun 28 14:20:52 swisstomcat: one review in English/German Jun 28 14:21:27 go to Misc & 'Pseudo-Drawers In A List' Jun 28 14:21:56 i might do a german tweet to annouce done Jun 28 14:22:11 thanks, haeffb_pre :) Jun 28 14:22:19 tell your friends, too ;) Jun 28 14:25:25 animal memory sales have gone up to 114 Jun 28 14:26:17 awesome Jun 28 14:26:38 where was it before the sale? Jun 28 14:27:17 80 or so .. the sale has helped Jun 28 14:29:52 HattCzech_work: I just did... Jun 28 14:30:54 excellent Jun 28 14:30:56 * HattCzech_work taps fingers Jun 28 14:31:31 if the new version gets out soon, it MAY bump me up Jun 28 14:31:38 ...no, I meant telling you and swisstomcat... Jun 28 14:31:51 but i think some other sort of publicity will have to get me there Jun 28 14:32:13 hehe Jun 28 14:32:23 ah well, any download helps Jun 28 14:33:52 just tweeted, haeffb Jun 28 14:36:20 tweeted for you too, hattczech Jun 28 14:45:34 sweet, thanks swisstomcat Jun 28 14:52:25 hi deliciousmorsel .. got my emulator on 960x640 too :) Jun 28 14:52:34 woot Jun 28 14:52:49 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/snap03.png Jun 28 14:52:52 kesne was the one who located the file for me Jun 28 14:53:05 nice Jun 28 14:53:12 you just need to fix the text Jun 28 14:53:17 from being clipped so early Jun 28 14:53:20 yeah, just a css change Jun 28 14:53:46 have you seen my app tuts+? Jun 28 14:53:52 nope Jun 28 14:54:04 it's a screenshot from tuts+ Jun 28 14:54:23 what is net tuts Jun 28 14:54:28 http://thinmachine.ch/en/tutsplus.html Jun 28 14:54:36 tuts+ is a tutorial site Jun 28 14:54:58 nettuts is one of them, mobiletuts another .. there are more (audio,psd,etc.) Jun 28 14:55:08 from the design colors i thought it was slashdot related Jun 28 14:55:15 lol Jun 28 14:55:23 close :) Jun 28 14:55:44 yeah, i should do a slashdot frontend too Jun 28 15:03:56 does anyone know when I could expect the SDK to run on VirtualBok 3.2? Jun 28 15:04:52 i seem to remember that it already works on 3.2 .. let me check Jun 28 15:05:47 rasputnik: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7601&hilit=virtualbox Jun 28 15:07:20 refused to run for me over the weekend (and I don't have any existing vms). I'll have to wait for 1.4.5. Jun 28 15:07:44 thanks for the info. Jun 28 15:09:08 out of interest, can anyone recommend a decent cheap palm device for developing on? Jun 28 15:10:53 get a second-hand pre from ebay? it think they're around $180 or so Jun 28 15:16:55 I was curious is it possible to use the Mojo UI components outside of the palm device. For instance, can I use the mojo UI components from my apache environmetn and sent to the mobile client Jun 28 15:18:29 i don't think that the license allows that Jun 28 15:19:54 just write your own Jun 28 15:20:02 the widget code isn't that great anyways Jun 28 15:20:07 just the images are gok Jun 28 15:27:52 swisstomcat: thanks, will have a look. Jun 28 15:36:35 bbl Jun 28 15:43:30 well, would be great to be able to use the framework outside of palm devices to have really portable apps Jun 28 15:43:54 cause the day you start to use some mojo specific stuff, the app won't work on the web Jun 28 15:44:06 so maintaining a version for the web and for the palm is twice the work.. Jun 28 15:50:02 hello friends Jun 28 15:53:15 hello Jun 28 15:56:25 hi hattczech Jun 28 15:59:25 1.4.5 arrives today... Jun 28 16:00:07 * haeffb_pre runs palm backup... Jun 28 16:06:51 haeffb_pre: today? you sure? Jun 28 16:07:24 so says roypre101 at webosroundup... Jun 28 16:11:54 * HattCzech_work needs dan or david (from webosroundup) to do a review about my app Jun 28 16:11:57 and soon :) Jun 28 16:14:34 hi Jun 28 16:17:53 hey MetaView Jun 28 16:32:00 stupid Time Warner Jun 28 16:32:31 a warner which warns on time? Jun 28 16:32:47 what did they do now? Jun 28 16:33:02 time warner = cable company that sucks (like most in the US) Jun 28 16:34:05 HattCzech_work: was your Internet out for a couple of hours just now? Jun 28 16:34:06 another day and still the drawers in my list, wth Jun 28 16:34:32 oh, you are at work Jun 28 16:34:34 nevermind Jun 28 16:34:38 i don't think so... Jun 28 16:34:40 let me verify that Jun 28 16:34:51 yeah, let me check my home server log Jun 28 16:37:08 doesn't look like it Jun 28 16:37:24 "area-wide" my ass Jun 28 16:37:27 thanks Jun 28 16:39:24 well, depends on the area ;) Jun 28 16:39:42 maybe the "central" or "campus" area Jun 28 16:39:52 (or wherever you are) Jun 28 16:40:10 I think I'm on yours Jun 28 16:40:13 for me, it'd have to be the "semi-ghetto" area Jun 28 16:40:24 same Jun 28 16:40:36 Except I call it the ghetti-lite Jun 28 16:40:40 ghetto-lite Jun 28 16:40:45 maybe it helps that i'm north of 290? Jun 28 16:41:06 ghetto-lite is nice, i like that Jun 28 16:41:07 I think I"m on the Manor substation Jun 28 16:41:31 it's moot now, I'm alive again Jun 28 16:42:27 i haven't had TW go out on me yet (that i can remember) Jun 28 16:42:30 * HattCzech_work knocks on wood Jun 28 16:43:07 a few years back during the summer EVERY night at exactly 10:00 PM my Internet would go nuts, cable video/audio would get jacked Jun 28 16:43:16 I called them every night for 2 weeks Jun 28 16:44:01 while they sent out the obligatory 3 "technicians" to ask me if I rebooted my stuff Jun 28 16:44:46 finally I got through to the right people and the actual engineer who designed the circuit for out here came to my house and showed me all kinds of cool wiring diagrams and whatnot Jun 28 16:45:08 turns out it was a part at the substation that is supposed to regulate temperature changes...it failed Jun 28 16:45:19 so there would be too little/not enough resistance on the line Jun 28 16:45:52 suffice it to say, now when I call them and tell them there's an issue, they actually listen to me and don't make me go through the "3 techs before escalation" process Jun 28 16:47:22 toledo Jun 28 16:47:47 ohio Jun 28 16:48:18 morning everyone Jun 28 16:49:29 at least you can do that now Jun 28 16:49:42 sucks when you have to wait for them to believe you Jun 28 16:49:49 as you already know ;) Jun 28 16:50:14 they were always saying "well, we'd need to put a van out there when the problem is happening to determine if it's you or us" Jun 28 16:50:21 10:00 PM assholes! Jun 28 16:52:09 HattCzech_work: Jun 28 16:52:17 some buggy stuff from your app Jun 28 16:52:35 sent a message to a group, but it didn't send Jun 28 16:52:50 and then when i launched the regular messenger, and hit new message Jun 28 16:53:05 the message field was pre-populated with teh message i tried to send to a group Jun 28 16:53:51 codeslaw: check to see if there are multiple numbers from the same contact Jun 28 16:54:00 k Jun 28 16:54:15 for some reason, Messaging doesn't like that Jun 28 16:54:54 nope, all 3 people have only 1 number Jun 28 16:55:01 anyone received payment this month? Jun 28 16:55:17 and you hit send once it was in Messaging and it didn't go out? Jun 28 16:55:23 or had you not done that yet? Jun 28 16:55:24 ya Jun 28 16:55:31 wait Jun 28 16:55:48 do i have to hit send in messenging AFTER your app? Jun 28 16:56:04 yes Jun 28 16:56:12 i can't auto-send through messaging Jun 28 16:56:21 so i can only populate Jun 28 16:56:27 palm won't allow it :/ Jun 28 16:56:45 aahhh Jun 28 16:56:57 well nm, probably working as intended Jun 28 16:57:16 i know your pain though, i've answered over 300 emails on how to take a screen shot Jun 28 16:57:39 1.0.7 will have a faq page that hits my server Jun 28 16:57:53 now the question is... will they look at it before they send me an e-mail... Jun 28 16:58:12 (that way i can update it whenever without pushing another update) Jun 28 16:58:18 the answer is no Jun 28 16:58:25 hahahah, that's what i figured Jun 28 16:58:31 tehy will not read the instructions before emailing you Jun 28 17:00:50 i wish palm would setup some permission levels for their private APIs Jun 28 17:02:15 i wish they would have done a lot of things by now =/ my faith is waivering Jun 28 17:02:47 do I wait until fall for the POSSIBILITY of APIs that I need for paid apps, or do i move to platform where they already exist Jun 28 17:03:13 what apis? Jun 28 17:03:30 file io Jun 28 17:03:37 the rest of the canvas apis Jun 28 17:03:57 yeah, i need file io as well Jun 28 17:04:02 yeah, that's a tough question Jun 28 17:04:05 hardware accelerated css transforms Jun 28 17:04:09 so i can port TuneWiki to palm Jun 28 17:04:18 microphone would be nice Jun 28 17:04:23 microphone for sure Jun 28 17:04:33 (tunewiki is a music player btw) Jun 28 17:04:40 so i need access to the mp3s, etc Jun 28 17:04:44 i figured PDK would be my saving grace for the stuff lacking in the SDK Jun 28 17:04:46 I can sense the plethora of voice memo apps already Jun 28 17:04:53 but PDK is riddled with problems as well Jun 28 17:04:57 who wants to cowrite a PDK app with me Jun 28 17:05:03 or who wants to get paid to write it with me Jun 28 17:05:11 whats the app deliciousmorsel Jun 28 17:05:18 this app is just for fun Jun 28 17:05:23 but its a port of uShare Jun 28 17:05:32 i'm not familiar Jun 28 17:05:35 basically makes your palm into a UPnP server Jun 28 17:05:38 deliciousmorsel: sounds fun, but I don't know C or C++ :D Jun 28 17:05:52 no no, i meant i'm not familiar with this "fun" Jun 28 17:05:54 so you can stream your recorded videos, photos and music to an tv, xbox, ps3 etc Jun 28 17:06:45 there was somebody in here the other day that was also bitching about WebViews and Scrollers....I may have to comb the logs, etg Jun 28 17:06:48 erg Jun 28 17:09:54 discombobulate: ping Jun 28 17:09:58 found him Jun 28 17:15:05 discombobulate: I have a workaround for the WebView in a Scroller and making it not go horizontal at all: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=34115#p34115 Jun 28 17:21:21 wth does webos mean in Spanish, it makes it hard to search twitter Jun 28 17:22:06 sugardave: i think it means 'balls'. Jun 28 17:22:30 like testicles or bouncy balls? Jun 28 17:22:50 sugardave: yeah, i think it's a play on 'huevos' which i think means eggs. Jun 28 17:22:55 ah, okay Jun 28 17:23:13 with all this soccer going on, I wasn't sure Jun 28 17:23:15 :D Jun 28 17:23:18 haha Jun 28 17:32:09 deliciousmorsel: i'd be up for doing something like that Jun 28 17:32:14 woo Jun 28 17:32:24 i gotta check out uShare's license Jun 28 17:32:29 to see if we can charge for it Jun 28 17:32:33 and i need to brush up on my c Jun 28 17:33:03 i am planning to make a service for my homebrew app as well, so hopefully that'll help Jun 28 17:34:25 ugh, i was really hoping my homebrew update would bump up my downloads for txt group Jun 28 17:34:40 fail :/ Jun 28 17:35:27 what happend instead? Jun 28 17:35:49 downloads are still trickling in Jun 28 17:36:16 i just want to hit 221 Jun 28 17:36:21 and i'm SOOOOO close Jun 28 17:36:25 anyone know what the cost of a featured icon on the front page of the app catalog is? Jun 28 17:36:34 i dont think they charge Jun 28 17:36:38 mine has been featured a couple times Jun 28 17:36:39 codeslaw: free Jun 28 17:36:41 and i never paid Jun 28 17:36:56 i know it used to be free, but i thought they were going to start charging Jun 28 17:36:59 i got up there once Jun 28 17:37:19 mine was up there, i never paid Jun 28 17:37:29 word Jun 28 17:37:39 tried to get it up there again before the end of the competition, but that didn't work :) Jun 28 17:38:06 hmmm Jun 28 17:38:08 who did paratrooper Jun 28 17:38:34 i dunno, but i hope he pulls back into 21st place by wed Jun 28 17:38:38 same Jun 28 17:38:45 gonna tweet about his app Jun 28 17:39:41 his disadvantage is that most people downloaded his app before the contest began Jun 28 17:40:25 rob did paratroopers... talked to him on friday Jun 28 17:40:44 robdor? or different rob Jun 28 17:40:52 Different Rob. Jun 28 17:40:58 haha Jun 28 17:41:01 lol Jun 28 17:41:05 rbredow was his sn Jun 28 17:41:10 cool Jun 28 17:41:37 deliciousmorsel: care to tweet about my app, too? :D Jun 28 17:41:55 i'd tweet, but my twitter has only 10 followers or so Jun 28 17:42:04 whats your app Jun 28 17:42:04 lol Jun 28 17:42:07 speaking of, you all should follow me! @codeslaw Jun 28 17:42:12 are you in contention as well? Jun 28 17:42:18 oh wow, you have to pay for flightview? Jun 28 17:42:26 TXT Group Jun 28 17:42:44 deliciousmorsel: i'm in contention for top 221 of free Jun 28 17:42:47 at 224 right now Jun 28 17:43:20 are you a fast mover? Jun 28 17:43:36 i was Jun 28 17:43:38 and how many downloads are you at? Jun 28 17:43:44 for the first... 20ish days Jun 28 17:43:49 29k Jun 28 17:43:57 lol Jun 28 17:43:59 probably only need another 1k or so to get in Jun 28 17:44:02 soooooo close Jun 28 17:44:14 that is really damn close Jun 28 17:44:23 i'll have to run it Jun 28 17:44:27 i was 221 for two days Jun 28 17:44:35 cause i wanna promote awesome apps to my followers Jun 28 17:44:42 i dont have many followers anyways Jun 28 17:44:47 oh, it is awesome :) Jun 28 17:45:09 and free (as long as you aren't hardcore about seeing ads) Jun 28 17:45:19 i can vouch, i like his app better than the other multi messenger Jun 28 17:45:28 YESSSSS Jun 28 17:45:36 have you checked out the quick text? Jun 28 17:45:40 no Jun 28 17:45:46 tried to keep that nice and clean Jun 28 17:45:55 i'm all about clean Jun 28 17:45:56 codeslaw: I just gave you two more followers Jun 28 17:46:00 hey anybody seen this domino's pizza app? Jun 28 17:46:05 sugardave: nice Jun 28 17:46:16 they're both me, though, so....yeah Jun 28 17:46:17 it says domino's pizza canada made it, funkay. Jun 28 17:46:39 dpivs: i saw that... and only for a certain location as well Jun 28 17:47:57 thanks for follows, i reciprocated Jun 28 17:50:18 i need to come up with a personal twitter name so i can start using HattCzech as dev Jun 28 18:01:40 oh hi Jun 28 18:05:11 Oh noes! Jun 28 18:23:54 so deliciousmorsel, what do you think of the app? (if you've had time to check it out) Jun 28 18:25:38 i havent Jun 28 18:25:39 i was sleeping Jun 28 18:25:41 on my desk Jun 28 18:25:42 lol Jun 28 18:25:51 vp came in said i could take the CEO's office to sleep in Jun 28 18:25:51 hah Jun 28 18:27:08 that reminds me...it's naplunch time Jun 28 18:28:28 LOL nice Jun 28 18:28:51 where do you work? that sounds awesome! :) Jun 28 18:34:26 haha i work at a startu Jun 28 18:34:29 well large startup Jun 28 18:34:47 a small business with good funding ;) Jun 28 18:35:12 ahhh okay Jun 28 18:35:54 it would of been cooler to say that when i worekd at adobe Jun 28 18:35:57 lol Jun 28 18:36:07 now where i work we have only like 40 employees Jun 28 18:39:07 deliciousmorsel: sry, had to care about the kids Jun 28 18:39:26 with dynamically, I mean I add the rows and divs dynamically into the DOM Jun 28 18:39:37 then I set up the widgets Jun 28 18:40:28 rows as in the data for the widget? Jun 28 18:40:37 options Jun 28 18:42:10 no, rows as in 'class', "palm-row' Jun 28 18:43:00 ahh Jun 28 18:43:02 k Jun 28 18:44:30 i'd have to see the code and example json you are using to populate the widgets Jun 28 18:44:53 the content is fixed, just an array Jun 28 18:45:00 I even mixed them around Jun 28 18:45:05 without any help Jun 28 18:45:12 so the first one is always bad Jun 28 18:45:22 i meant good Jun 28 18:45:32 no matter what order they are inserted into the dom as? Jun 28 18:45:38 do they have uniqueids Jun 28 18:45:44 i dunno if that makes any difference Jun 28 18:45:51 yes, they have unique ids Jun 28 18:46:10 I just testing the order of insertion again, maybe it's related Jun 28 18:48:40 Hey all! Jun 28 18:49:27 <14WAAU545> hello Jun 28 18:49:27 <14WAAU545> ? Jun 28 18:49:27 <14WAAU545> nice nick Jun 28 18:49:27 <14WAAU545> brb Jun 28 18:50:02 heh, better Jun 28 18:50:29 deliciousmorsel: no relation between order of insertion and working/none-working Jun 28 18:50:38 meaning Jun 28 18:50:44 the first one always works well Jun 28 18:50:50 or that the same one always works well Jun 28 18:51:07 Hi there Jun 28 18:52:13 the same one works well, niot the first one Jun 28 18:52:19 Can anyone tell me how to get the new Model after the user has changed the order of the list widget? Jun 28 18:52:47 i tried this.listModel.items but it seems that it only gets the default model Jun 28 18:53:03 MetaView: sounds to be code related then Jun 28 18:53:10 i could be wrong Jun 28 18:53:24 if you do only 2 of them and NOT the one that is working Jun 28 18:53:30 do those 2 still malfunction Jun 28 18:54:17 amiroo: this came up yesterday, so you can probably find it on the chat logs, but... Jun 28 18:54:45 let me try it Jun 28 18:54:54 event.model I think retuns the reordered model Jun 28 18:55:11 ok. thank you soo much. i try it Jun 28 18:55:32 deliciousmorsel: then, both are broken Jun 28 18:55:37 Man, I really hate this app that I just bought Jun 28 18:55:43 I think I'm going to demand a refund Jun 28 18:55:44 which app? Jun 28 18:55:53 It's called "Twee" Jun 28 18:55:56 * MetaView don't give refunds... Jun 28 18:56:05 ah, isn't mine, well Jun 28 18:56:25 * kesne pokes deliciousmorsel Jun 28 18:56:31 * halfhalo_class hates ie6 Jun 28 18:56:47 I hate IE6 as well Jun 28 18:56:52 I don't code support for it Jun 28 18:56:59 I have to fix something for it Jun 28 18:57:00 I just throw in an IF tag and say screw it Jun 28 18:57:06 and im getting paid for it, so :p Jun 28 18:57:44 deliciousmorsel: here is the data http://www.pastebin.org/362441 Jun 28 18:58:09 this is a dropdown list? Jun 28 18:58:25 and this one is the creation of the listselectors: Jun 28 18:58:25 http://www.pastebin.org/363756 Jun 28 18:58:36 dropdown list, yes Jun 28 18:59:16 pv_default_snooze_duration is the one which works, always, everywhere Jun 28 18:59:32 the other 2 shows a list of drawers Jun 28 18:59:35 -s Jun 28 18:59:41 MetaView: why do you use command: in the options Jun 28 18:59:44 why not use value: Jun 28 18:59:54 also Jun 28 19:00:01 don't know, was copied from other patches Jun 28 19:00:01 to cleanup your code i'd do this Jun 28 19:00:20 ok, will try it Jun 28 19:00:31 BigBiff_pre: is it always event.model oder event.modelName Jun 28 19:00:47 new Element('div' , {className: 'palm-list palm-row' , id: 'idname' , 'x-mojo-element': 'ListSelector'}); Jun 28 19:00:59 try doing that for element creation as well Metaview Jun 28 19:01:36 How does Checkers have 14 users online but nobody is in a gmae? Jun 28 19:02:27 MetaView: have you considered using popupSubmenu instead? might be easier than inserting listSelectors... Jun 28 19:02:54 why not document.createElement() Jun 28 19:03:38 allows you to do it on a single line and you can chain it Jun 28 19:03:51 its more elegant than 14 lines Jun 28 19:04:11 oh, value made the difference Jun 28 19:04:14 also i suggest you do el.addClassName() Jun 28 19:04:34 yeah i've never seen command being used for that Jun 28 19:04:49 still wonder why it worked on snooze time? Jun 28 19:05:09 the calendar uses command, but they don't have real listselectors Jun 28 19:05:46 amiroo: not really sure.. I'm still not clear on the whole reorder thing, but haeffb posted some code yesterday that works great Jun 28 19:06:13 how can i access the chat log? Jun 28 19:06:36 read the title line Jun 28 19:06:42 of this chat, the topic Jun 28 19:07:00 ah ok. it was hidden Jun 28 19:07:02 thank you Jun 28 19:07:07 sorry i am new to this irc thing Jun 28 19:08:22 whats irc? Jun 28 19:08:25 i dont know what your talking about Jun 28 19:09:46 deliciousmorsel: but I still need more than just one div... will be more than just one line :) Jun 28 19:09:56 IRC? internat relay chat? Jun 28 19:09:56 well each one wil be one line Jun 28 19:10:05 right Jun 28 19:10:08 and it will look more elegant Jun 28 19:10:11 and easier to read Jun 28 19:10:15 and you can CHAI!N Jun 28 19:10:22 maybe... the whole claendar doesn't look elegant... Jun 28 19:10:26 chain? Jun 28 19:10:30 what does it mean? Jun 28 19:10:33 chain methods Jun 28 19:10:56 hm, should read about Jun 28 19:10:58 new Element('div').addClassName('asdf').observe(event , this.onblah) Jun 28 19:12:12 come on you gotta love chaining Jun 28 19:12:51 ok Jun 28 19:13:08 sounds too much for me :) Jun 28 19:13:42 yeah i hate convenient things too Jun 28 19:13:47 :| Jun 28 19:14:46 but thank you very much, still don't know what was wrong with command, but I'm glad it works now. Jun 28 19:15:12 Will use your "new element" suggestion and then it's time to create the new patch file... Jun 28 19:18:42 anyone else notice palmhotapps.com is updated manually Jun 28 19:18:51 like the times of update are inconsistant Jun 28 19:18:57 like they didn't make a cron job or something Jun 28 19:19:43 no they make it manually Jun 28 19:19:51 chuq wrote about Jun 28 19:20:08 today I haven't even got a single app sell Jun 28 19:20:47 thats kinda sad they couldn't just automate it Jun 28 19:21:33 yes, it's kinda stupid for a computer company... Jun 28 19:21:45 in new element, it isn't style, or? Jun 28 19:21:57 what? Jun 28 19:21:58 lol Jun 28 19:22:20 well, I need to set a CSS value Jun 28 19:22:30 var div22 = new Element('div', {className: 'palm-row', style: 'margin-top:15px;', 'x-mojo-tap-highlight': 'momentary'}).appendChild(div23); Jun 28 19:22:35 doesn't seem to work Jun 28 19:22:39 chain it with .setStyle({}); Jun 28 19:22:51 ok, your point Jun 28 19:23:18 new Element().setStyle({marginTop: '15px'}) Jun 28 19:24:17 no sale today Jun 28 19:24:36 very unusual Jun 28 19:25:09 well, it still looks not right Jun 28 19:25:27 did you set all teh class names neeeded? Jun 28 19:25:36 className: 'palm-row palm-whatever myclass' Jun 28 19:26:14 yes, just like in my old multi-line example :) Jun 28 19:28:33 the multiline version looks correct, the other not Jun 28 19:28:42 lets see the code Jun 28 19:28:58 wait Jun 28 19:29:53 also you could of made your life a lot easier by just making an html rempllate Jun 28 19:29:55 then rendering it Jun 28 19:30:02 using the renderer built into mojo Jun 28 19:30:10 it runs the html back in a string Jun 28 19:30:15 http://www.pastebin.org/363789 Jun 28 19:30:16 which you can shove into the dom Jun 28 19:30:54 an html template in a different file? Jun 28 19:31:08 yeah Jun 28 19:31:15 Mojo.render i think is the call Jun 28 19:31:19 I don't want to touch the original html-file Jun 28 19:31:23 hm Jun 28 19:31:26 you wont be Jun 28 19:31:29 make a new file Jun 28 19:31:45 btw. now the first version which always worked, shows the drawers... Jun 28 19:31:49 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1870&Itemid=259#.render Jun 28 19:32:00 var content = Mojo.View.render({object: contact, template: 'detail/header'}) Jun 28 19:32:00 headerElement.innerHTML = content; Jun 28 19:35:26 that's strange, the snooze time only works with command, the other two only with value... Jun 28 19:40:24 deliciousmorsel: thank you very much for your help Jun 28 19:40:33 yup Jun 28 19:40:41 so deliciousmorsel, now that you're not sleeping... ;) did you test out the app? you'll like it... (or at least i hope so) Jun 28 19:40:48 i stay with my old way of creating the html part, but the command/value saved my live :) Jun 28 19:40:51 i dont have my pre on me lol Jun 28 19:41:04 i can try it out tonight Jun 28 19:41:10 but my palm doesn't have service on it Jun 28 19:42:52 ohhh, then why do you have it? :) Jun 28 19:43:07 to do app testing on Jun 28 19:43:43 is there a way to print to the console without truncation? Jun 28 19:43:43 okay Jun 28 19:44:03 i have some large webservice responses that I want to see, but they get cut off with console.log Jun 28 19:44:20 so you can test web-based, but not phone-based apps, huh Jun 28 19:44:21 ? Jun 28 19:44:38 yeah if they use the phone it wont work Jun 28 19:44:42 i can run your app Jun 28 19:44:47 but when i try to send a message it will fail Jun 28 19:45:50 gotcha Jun 28 19:46:08 just trying to get as much publicity time as possible :) Jun 28 19:46:11 if only palm had at&t devleoper device below retail Jun 28 19:46:13 2 3/8 days left Jun 28 19:49:33 deliciousmorsel: need a GSM device? Jun 28 19:49:42 yeah for cheap Jun 28 19:49:44 cause i'm cheap Jun 28 19:49:52 buy a second hand in Germany... Jun 28 19:49:54 i saw one on ksl (local craiglist type site) for $175 Jun 28 19:49:58 200€? Jun 28 19:50:07 hm, that cheap.. Jun 28 19:50:11 yeah Jun 28 19:50:14 it went fast though Jun 28 19:50:35 I would like to have some publicity too :) Jun 28 19:53:08 you've got apps in the top 221, MetaView :) Jun 28 19:53:16 sorry guys. i looked at the chat logs. but still having problems with getting the model of the reordered list Jun 28 19:53:17 want to help me get up there? Jun 28 19:54:08 when i call the onReorder function i log event.model.items[0].name Jun 28 19:54:30 and when i change the position of the first item it still logs the default first item Jun 28 19:54:48 I have 2 apps there, and one which fall down 2 weeks ago, a pity Jun 28 19:55:22 hmm Jun 28 19:55:29 HattCzech_work: have Twitter followers? Jun 28 19:55:39 i did a list reorder for ihate411, worked fine Jun 28 19:55:46 don't remember how i implemented it Jun 28 19:55:48 friends, none of whom have a webos device Jun 28 19:55:56 hm Jun 28 19:56:18 i'm getting a "developer" twitter account setup Jun 28 19:56:30 but i need to rename my current one, and i haven't thought of a good name Jun 28 19:56:43 hmm too bad Jun 28 19:58:27 Mojo.Event.listReorder Jun 28 19:58:27 event.item Jun 28 19:58:27 event.toIndex Jun 28 19:58:28 event.fromIndex Jun 28 19:58:30 sry Jun 28 19:59:01 on listReorder you get toIndex and fromIndex, you could care about it on your own Jun 28 19:59:35 isn't there a way to get the whole new list? Jun 28 20:00:14 nafaik Jun 28 20:01:07 MetaView: were you thinking i could post on twitter about the app? Jun 28 20:01:27 about my app? yes :) Jun 28 20:01:36 hehehe Jun 28 20:01:45 yeah, i could, which one specifically? Jun 28 20:02:08 hmmm ok. thank you Jun 28 20:05:18 HattCzech_work: TravelGuide Light http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.metaviewsoft.travelguidelight Jun 28 20:06:11 when you mention @metaview in your tweet about TXTGroup I will retweet it Jun 28 20:06:24 (322 followers atm) Jun 28 20:07:16 okay, dammit...do I have to test this whole list reorder thing for you guys? Jun 28 20:07:23 don't make me do that Jun 28 20:07:44 haha are you talking to me? Jun 28 20:07:46 in the reorder handler, event.model should be the new re-ordered list Jun 28 20:07:56 but I will test it in a bit Jun 28 20:08:01 that's the point. it's not Jun 28 20:08:10 don't know why Jun 28 20:08:21 * sugardave looks at his GameFly Q manager. "You are special, baby." Jun 28 20:14:08 anyone in need of a serious laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg Jun 28 20:21:44 okay, those of you that followed HattCzech on twitter... try to do it again (not sure how long it takes to update) Jun 28 20:22:25 ok Jun 28 20:25:43 that worked pretty fast, excellent Jun 28 20:27:00 :) Jun 28 20:29:00 for the record: when you have a event handler for Mojo-tap, you need to make your ListSelector with label: command: or you will get a list of drawers Jun 28 20:33:23 okay, this is strange re: reordering lists....I see what y'all are saying about event.model being the same. However, check this out: Jun 28 20:34:00 my list is built from an Ajax call, when I reorder, I send another Ajax to that server to change the order of list items, works perfectly Jun 28 20:34:15 I can see the new order on their site Jun 28 20:34:15 but you get the old and the new index and can your model reorder Jun 28 20:34:22 wait Jun 28 20:34:48 now I'm looking at both items (the list model and and the event model) and they both have the old order Jun 28 20:35:11 without resetting my list from ajax, if I move another item....it still works, as verified on the external server list Jun 28 20:35:16 it's pretty strange Jun 28 20:35:26 I do nothing with toIndex, etc. Jun 28 20:36:00 thats strange Jun 28 20:36:07 i made a simplier test Jun 28 20:36:13 ok, I'm off Jun 28 20:36:16 g'night... Jun 28 20:36:24 that's why I thought it was event.model being updated...I seem to remember someone telling me that, too Jun 28 20:36:24 n8 Jun 28 20:36:27 night Jun 28 20:36:46 i tried in the Listreorder handler Jun 28 20:37:03 console.log(event.model.item[0].name); Jun 28 20:37:15 and moved the first item somewhere else Jun 28 20:37:21 but it sill logs the first item Jun 28 20:37:39 yeah, it's not working how I expected...oh well, splice it is Jun 28 20:39:08 reorderable:false Jun 28 20:39:19 is great Jun 28 20:39:42 it really doesn't make any sense WHY they don't auto-adjust the model for you...the item has already been moved as far as the user is concerned Jun 28 20:40:08 Urgent Question for y'all -- any way at all to backup Text Messages? Jun 28 20:40:19 cut and paste? Jun 28 20:40:23 I've got to replace my phone at the Sprint store today and I'm panicking :( Jun 28 20:40:38 Cut and Paste is limited length and not very stable Jun 28 20:41:01 creatorbri: yeah Jun 28 20:41:09 pre backup service Jun 28 20:41:12 That is, its easy to lose your selection, and I've been told you can only copy so much at a time Jun 28 20:41:21 "pre backup utility" my bad Jun 28 20:41:37 Hatt: Pre Backup Utility? sounds promising, more info please? Jun 28 20:41:50 have you used preware? Jun 28 20:42:10 I have. I used it to install Save/Restore, but apparently that doesn't preserve/restore your messages :( Jun 28 20:44:17 correct, but pre backup should work Jun 28 20:44:27 might be in testing feeds, but... let me see Jun 28 20:44:51 I don't see it in the Internals feed on WebOS Quick Install. Is it only avail thru Preware? Jun 28 20:45:19 checking now, one sec Jun 28 20:45:27 thanks! Jun 28 20:45:46 oh hey, its in the regular precentral feed... Jun 28 20:46:10 any way to confirm that it does indeed backup text messages though?? Jun 28 20:46:15 Its really important heh Jun 28 20:46:20 it will for the same phone Jun 28 20:46:29 i haven't tested from one phone to another Jun 28 20:46:33 oh.. Jun 28 20:46:36 hmm Jun 28 20:46:39 but you'll at least have them backed up Jun 28 20:48:08 so no success? if event.model is the same as the old model what is it good for? Jun 28 20:48:10 well without the ability to restore, backing up is kinda pointless ;) heheh.. but I'll give it a try :) thanks! Jun 28 20:48:43 not necessarily pointless... you'll have the data so you can import it later if it can't be right now Jun 28 20:49:34 interesting, it sounds like maybe PBU backs up to a folder on your Jun 28 20:49:34 amiroo: beats me, if you're not saving the original list model as an object, I supposed Jun 28 20:49:37 Media partition Jun 28 20:50:06 yeah Jun 28 20:50:12 and you can copy it over Jun 28 20:50:14 which would be cool, then i can just transfer them to my pc, and back to the new phone Jun 28 20:50:19 correct Jun 28 20:50:21 Awesome, thanks so much Hatt!! Jun 28 20:50:32 assuming it'll import to the new phone ;) Jun 28 20:50:38 heh, yeah.. we'll see :/ Jun 28 20:50:41 no problem, hope it works Jun 28 20:50:48 (and let us know if it does/doesn't) Jun 28 20:50:52 I'll try and report how it goes after, so others can benefit Jun 28 20:50:56 heh, yep Jun 28 20:53:01 good luck Jun 28 20:53:07 thx Jun 28 20:53:12 that's strange and makes no sense for me :-( Jun 28 20:53:23 but thank you for the help Jun 28 20:57:40 here is another funny thing. try this Jun 28 20:58:19 this.controller.setWidgetModel("list1",event.model); in your reorder handler Jun 28 20:58:34 unpredictable how it reacts on reordering Jun 28 21:11:15 wth is setWidgtModel? Jun 28 21:11:25 is that an Ares thing? Jun 28 21:11:56 oh, I guess not Jun 28 21:11:57 only 10 downloads away from friday's count... Jun 28 21:12:01 never used it Jun 28 21:12:08 :/ need to be higher than that Jun 28 21:12:55 as it sais, it sets the model ;-) Jun 28 21:13:51 yeah, I typically am not messing with models except for the items array....and since it's an array, no need to reset the model before modelChanged Jun 28 21:13:51 and there is not a single sample code online Jun 28 21:14:44 right Jun 28 21:22:54 any palm employees around right now? Jun 28 21:25:17 i wish there was a way to respond to or negate reviews Jun 28 21:25:37 especially ones that i believe to be from competing apps trying to discredit mine Jun 28 21:34:08 codeslaw: ping Jun 28 21:34:15 heyo Jun 28 21:34:39 Were you able to get your FBOs working last week? I'm thinking about using them so that I can render to texture for screenshots. Jun 28 21:34:55 nope Jun 28 21:34:56 =( Jun 28 21:35:13 i tried a lot of variations, but status codes never returned complete Jun 28 21:35:34 i thought ChrisT from palm on the forums was gonna help, but the thread seems abandonded Jun 28 21:36:35 It is frustrating trying to dig up OpenGL ES 1.1 documentation and tutorials. Not a whole lot of info out there. Jun 28 21:36:47 really lacking Jun 28 21:37:05 not much success on iDevNet or gamedev forums either Jun 28 21:37:32 just make up what you don't know ;) Jun 28 21:37:56 It's hard to convince the compiler to go along with that. :) Jun 28 21:38:04 exactly Jun 28 21:38:22 though i can convince javascript to do just about anything Jun 28 21:38:36 it just does it very slowly Jun 28 21:38:37 compile what I mean, not what I wrote Jun 28 21:39:06 i'm still waiting for a headpiece to put on, imagine a program, and have the binaries waiting on my desktop Jun 28 21:39:27 that wiill be an interesting day when it arrives Jun 28 21:40:28 codeslaw: Instead of using FBOs have you tried batch rendering your GL_POINTS? I'm doing that in my game with great performance. Jun 28 21:40:35 I assume that you are using a bunch of GL_POINTS. Jun 28 21:40:49 i haven't tried, but i did see your particle test videos Jun 28 21:41:11 the problem is, being this is a painting application, somebody could accumulate millions and millions of points Jun 28 21:43:06 You could simplify the points by throwing away any that completely overlap with others. Jun 28 21:50:50 * sugardave starts writing down names of people to bug if he ever learns real programming and wants to do OpenGL. Jun 28 21:51:11 heheh, good idea Jun 28 21:51:45 Robdor: was that your video of the cannon thing? Jun 28 21:52:11 Yeah, I was seeing which people like best. The motion trail or the particle system. Jun 28 21:52:27 cool! I think I liked the particle one better, but both looked nice Jun 28 21:52:36 Thanks. Jun 28 21:54:29 ...? Jun 28 21:54:43 The motion trail is actually a particle system minus some features. Don't tell anybody though. :) Jun 28 21:55:12 they looked eerily similar :D Jun 28 21:55:39 "i have no idea what's going on" Jun 28 21:55:44 http://twitter.com/robmerrell/status/17221999858 Jun 28 21:57:03 It's the PDK game that I'm working on. It is kind of like Ragdoll Cannon and Ragdoll Blaster. Jun 28 21:58:24 particle for sure Jun 28 21:58:40 Robdor: eliminating overlapping points is also not an option, as points with different color/alpha values should be persistent, even when directly overlapping Jun 28 21:59:06 I only had one vote for the motion trail. Jun 28 21:59:16 codeslaw: Ah, that's true. Jun 28 21:59:27 i would like motion trail if it feathered Jun 28 21:59:41 the solid line is cool, but a little distracting Jun 28 22:01:32 That's what my thought was. it seems a little too heavy. Jun 28 22:03:28 codeslaw, did you have a twitter account? Jun 28 22:03:38 yes, @codeslaw Jun 28 22:04:15 no results :/ Jun 28 22:04:27 * dkirker waits for everyone to start listing their twitter accounts again :P Jun 28 22:04:34 heheh Jun 28 22:04:39 i wrote most of them down Jun 28 22:05:15 I got a few, but not most of them. Jun 28 22:07:22 just added you Jun 28 22:07:39 I saw. :) Jun 28 22:07:42 I am trying to create a webos twitter "group" of the people that do webOS development. Jun 28 22:08:11 i think i may pickup twee, as it looks a bit nicer than tweed Jun 28 22:08:26 dkirker: that's what i'm doing as well Jun 28 22:08:40 i just renamed my accounts so that HattCzech is my dev account Jun 28 22:08:50 I like TweetMe. :) Jun 28 22:09:09 HattCzech_work: openmobl is my dev account. dkirker is the semi-dev/personal Jun 28 22:09:36 urgh... no results found Jun 28 22:09:44 http://twitter.com/openmobl Jun 28 22:09:44 is that twitter or tweed being stupid? Jun 28 22:09:56 maybe tweed? not sure. :( Jun 28 22:10:07 signs point to user error Jun 28 22:10:26 lol Jun 28 22:10:53 haha Jun 28 22:11:40 t-minus ~1.75 hours until I can go home and work on SIPper :) Jun 28 22:11:45 I have to be sugar_dave on my personal twitter because some other twit took my name first Jun 28 22:11:45 * dkirker wobbles Jun 28 22:12:33 dkirker: what all can SIPper do right now? Jun 28 22:13:05 sugardave: Anything that does not involve actually connecting a call. Jun 28 22:13:33 It errors if I try to make a call (sound subsystem not available). Jun 28 22:13:46 I am trying to muck with the sound code. Jun 28 22:13:58 I think I'll need to write a gstreamer driver for pjmedia. Jun 28 22:14:09 I don't mind breaking the appstore rules in the mean time. Jun 28 22:14:17 hehe, yeah Jun 28 22:14:24 that's going to be awesomne Jun 28 22:15:32 I am so stoked about it. It is slowly coming along. Jun 28 22:16:02 lots of work left. I need to make some call flow diagrams so that I can implement all of the proper call handling. Jun 28 22:18:01 Now I need to save up some money for an AT&T Pixi Plus so that I can get it to work on a Pixi... $300 left. Jun 28 22:19:40 dkirker: isnt the blue backed att pixi free? Jun 28 22:19:52 or you mean dev version? Jun 28 22:19:56 yes, if you sign up for a 2 year contract. Jun 28 22:20:02 you mean they sell Pixis? Jun 28 22:20:13 I thought those were cereal box prizes Jun 28 22:20:14 but, my primary phone is a Verizon Pre Plus Jun 28 22:20:39 my secondary phone is a GoPhone account. So, I don't have the money for a full contract with AT&T. :( Jun 28 22:28:51 so how long does the 'review' process normally take? Jun 28 22:29:06 for a new app? Jun 28 22:29:08 not sure now Jun 28 22:29:14 an update seems to be ~3 days Jun 28 22:29:17 days or Jun 28 22:29:19 ss Jun 28 22:29:20 so Jun 28 22:29:22 damn Jun 28 22:29:25 bbl Jun 28 22:29:28 gj sugardave Jun 28 22:29:29 right on Jun 28 22:29:32 discombobulate: did you see my message earlier Jun 28 22:29:41 probably not Jun 28 22:30:03 I have a workaround for WebView in a Scroller and to keep it from being out of vertical Jun 28 22:30:06 ~3 days Jun 28 22:30:20 if you're lucky, it's out in 2 Jun 28 22:30:28 oh yeah? Jun 28 22:30:28 but average, probably 3-4 Jun 28 22:30:29 discombobulate: I have a workaround for the WebView in a Scroller and making it not go horizontal at all: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=34115#p34115 Jun 28 22:30:33 there it is Jun 28 22:30:38 wicked. Jun 28 22:30:44 of course you come up with that after i submit Jun 28 22:30:48 haha Jun 28 22:30:53 a reason to update Jun 28 22:30:59 if i resubmit do i get to pay $50 again? :) Jun 28 22:31:01 nope Jun 28 22:31:07 sweetness Jun 28 22:31:09 but you need to wait until the first one is live Jun 28 22:31:15 gotcha Jun 28 22:31:15 or you'll be in app rejection hell Jun 28 22:31:29 lemme readup this workaround Jun 28 22:31:31 yeah, which is no fun Jun 28 22:31:42 discombobulate: it's super simple Jun 28 22:32:12 sup dawgs Jun 28 22:32:30 though I still get no reason why I need to keep using this deprecated attribute Jun 28 22:32:40 do people developing free apps need to pay to get into the app catalog? Jun 28 22:32:55 only if they are not opern source Jun 28 22:33:03 you need an open source account to not pay Jun 28 22:33:23 I think that's how it goes Jun 28 22:33:35 hey that looks pretty simple Jun 28 22:33:41 yeah, it is Jun 28 22:33:46 depends, torchie Jun 28 22:33:50 it stops the whole drag, though Jun 28 22:33:54 if you want it in the main app catalog, yes Jun 28 22:34:00 web or beta, no Jun 28 22:34:04 but my webview is quite short, so it works for me Jun 28 22:34:08 completely locks it in? Jun 28 22:34:25 no, it will let you drag vertical, but if you pass that threshhold, it stops the drag Jun 28 22:34:42 ah.. makes sense.. Jun 28 22:34:46 right on Jun 28 22:35:06 i gotta go to south beach, then i'll code it up and see what happens Jun 28 22:35:16 cool, let me know if it works for you Jun 28 22:35:27 will do. thanks for the info. Jun 28 22:49:07 grr Jun 28 22:49:47 rrrreat! ? Jun 28 22:50:06 emulator is acting like my css is cached and not updating when i change it.. rather annoying Jun 28 22:50:26 that would be annoying Jun 28 22:51:44 now its behaving Jun 28 22:53:29 is anyone else getting the openJDK bug in ubuntu 10.04? Jun 28 22:54:39 nope, because I use Sun JDK Jun 28 22:54:40 :P Jun 28 22:55:39 i can't find the sun-java6-jre Jun 28 22:55:45 it's switched repos and apt can't find it Jun 28 22:57:00 oh, i have it manually installed Jun 28 22:57:20 didn't use a package for my sdk Jun 28 22:57:41 openJDK is the default java for 10.04 Jun 28 22:57:48 and it's causing an insane cpu bug Jun 28 22:57:53 heh Jun 28 22:58:30 i do java dev for a living, so, i standardize my jdk installations across machines using sun's package instead of anything through apt-get Jun 28 22:59:06 yea, well i need to get the sun one and replace the openjdk one Jun 28 22:59:20 cause right now i have to killproc java everytime firefox runs a java app Jun 28 22:59:34 hrm Jun 28 23:00:30 i have the sun jdk installed in /opt and i have my $PATH putting that before the default jvm which is also installed Jun 28 23:01:10 Wolvenhaven: hmm... looking in my package manager now, sun-java6-bin is available Jun 28 23:01:18 dunno about a jdk package though Jun 28 23:01:37 weird, i can't find it, and i'm trying to figure out how to get the current one installed and rip openJDK out of my system Jun 28 23:01:37 ah, yup. it's there too Jun 28 23:01:44 your sources are jacked or something Jun 28 23:01:48 probably Jun 28 23:02:30 i have main/universe/restricted/multiverse checked in my sources Jun 28 23:03:08 ok i found it Jun 28 23:03:15 it's in the partners' repo now Jun 28 23:06:42 yay, ripped out openjdk and installed the sun one Jun 28 23:06:46 hopefully this fixes the issue Jun 28 23:06:54 nope Jun 28 23:07:26 cause trying to work on webos stuff with 85% of my total cpu stolen by a java bug was insane Jun 28 23:13:50 sorry, for asking again. but maybe someones online now who can help me. Jun 28 23:14:13 anyone having experience on reordering a list and retrieving the new reordered model? Jun 28 23:15:18 i think you just receive the indexes of the reorder Jun 28 23:16:43 but i'm off Jun 28 23:16:44 good luck Jun 28 23:17:43 amiroo, yes. Jun 28 23:18:16 and is event.model really the new reordered model or did you solve it someway else? Jun 28 23:18:31 because event.model is the same as the defaault one for me :-( Jun 28 23:18:48 someway else Jun 28 23:19:01 this.foldersModel.items.splice(event.fromIndex, 1); Jun 28 23:19:01 this.foldersModel.items.splice(event.toIndex, 0, event.item); Jun 28 23:20:05 ehmmm ok.... let me see what splice is ;-) Jun 28 23:22:00 it's an array method Jun 28 23:22:02 oh yes, I have a very happy client...his BB/Android devs must suck Jun 28 23:23:14 and yes, I found out I was wrong about event.model and list re-ordering Jun 28 23:23:26 ok but still i can't figure out how this should work. after doin these two lines in the reorder handler this.folderModel is the new reordered model? Jun 28 23:23:43 but, I shouldn't be wrong...since the list was already re-ordered, Mojo should be nice enough to handle it for us Jun 28 23:24:14 that's right sugardave. i don't even no what use event.model has Jun 28 23:24:27 that's strange Jun 28 23:24:28 good point, sugardave Jun 28 23:24:38 but thank you anyway ;-) Jun 28 23:24:41 amiroo: this.foldersModel was my list model. Jun 28 23:24:52 heh Jun 28 23:24:54 use whatever your list model may be Jun 28 23:25:13 i was pretty disappointed with the reorder in webos sdk Jun 28 23:25:13 yeah i know. haha i mean... Jun 28 23:25:16 and then, yes, this.myFoldersModel.items will be in the new order Jun 28 23:25:19 ....a let me just try it ;-) Jun 28 23:25:20 you'd think they'd help you out with that logic in some way Jun 28 23:25:30 yes. this is what i was asking hehe Jun 28 23:25:35 sorry for my bad english Jun 28 23:25:39 instead of just giving you a model and letting you figure out how to reorder and manage your arrays Jun 28 23:26:04 pandora-- if it was easy, we wouldn't all be getting rich from doing it... :) Jun 28 23:26:13 i'm not sure my method is the most efficient, but it wasn't hard once i figured out how to use splice() Jun 28 23:26:19 er, slice() Jun 28 23:26:23 haeffb: :) Jun 28 23:26:56 who knows if users even use it in my app Jun 28 23:26:57 aha Jun 28 23:27:14 but, they can save results to their "favorites" in iHate411 Jun 28 23:27:22 and in there they can reorder or swipe-delete Jun 28 23:27:38 seemed useful in that situation, that you might want to move up a result you use more often Jun 28 23:27:51 splice() would be easier than slice(), I think. Jun 28 23:27:51 hehe, how many don't know how to swipe-delete? Jun 28 23:31:29 haeffb: oooookkeeyyyyy Jun 28 23:31:43 works? Jun 28 23:31:46 I don't understand the code at all. but it works :-) Jun 28 23:31:51 thank you so much Jun 28 23:32:17 BigBiff: well, my point was, i don't know if users even think about doing it on my 'favorites' screen Jun 28 23:32:24 ugh Jun 28 23:32:28 broke the emulator again Jun 28 23:32:45 who knows what % know how to do it and what % of them think about doing it in my app that I so nicely built in support for swipe-delete Jun 28 23:33:47 amiroo: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_splice.asp Jun 28 23:35:20 haeffb: ahhhhhh! now i understand :-) Very nice!!!! This can be usefull in many other parts of my app :-) Jun 28 23:35:41 w3schools is a great JS reference Jun 28 23:37:04 yeah. thank you for that. I bookmarked it already ;-) Jun 28 23:37:14 i mean i just did it hehe Jun 28 23:48:05 really huh Jun 28 23:48:18 people usually hate on w3schools so hard Jun 28 23:52:56 i wonder if i should animate this counter Jun 28 23:53:11 w3schools is great for people like me...it's an awesome starting point Jun 28 23:57:38 dawm: what is the counter for? Jun 28 23:58:01 http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/mcr_mock.png Jun 29 00:02:07 ah Jun 29 00:02:19 yeah if you could animate it that'd be sweet Jun 29 00:02:26 no idea how do to animations in webos yet... Jun 29 00:03:18 i just tweaked the digits graphic, loosk so much better with a halfway inner shadow Jun 29 00:05:13 heres an actual sshot (with the changed digits gfx) Jun 29 00:05:14 http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/mcr_mock2.png Jun 29 00:05:54 actual sshot looks pretty darn close to the photoshop mockup ;p Jun 29 00:20:37 just gotta do the help/about scene and add a activity thingier and its done Jun 29 00:21:07 somebody review and tell me if this makes sense... http://www.webos101.com/Pseudo-Drawers_In_A_List Jun 29 00:21:55 how would you toggle the drawer if it doesnt have a unique id? Jun 29 00:22:33 oh nm i didnt scroll down far enough ;p Jun 29 00:42:52 mojo.getNodeByIndex Jun 29 00:43:02 I need to learn that Jun 29 00:43:10 snazzy Jun 29 00:43:35 haeffb: what does that return? Jun 29 00:44:18 I mean, different from other methods Jun 29 00:45:58 returns the DOM node of the list item with the given index Jun 29 00:46:07 an HTMLDivObject Jun 29 00:49:06 hrm Jun 29 00:50:24 I have a mental block on the word 'node' for some reason Jun 29 00:51:44 ahh, so you changed it a bit from the other day.. Jun 29 00:51:46 how do you set max length for a input box? its been YEARS since ive done it Jun 29 00:51:54 no more .up() Jun 29 01:03:37 stupid adMob....I turn test mode off and....NO ADS! Jun 29 01:04:37 heh Jun 29 01:28:24 wtf Jun 29 01:29:15 so trying to put an image in one of my views.. and its not working.. wtf is the path back to images ? Jun 29 01:29:38 nevermind heh Jun 29 01:29:42 typo FTL Jun 29 01:33:54 hi all! Jun 29 01:43:38 no more .up() Jun 29 01:43:41 hi JenP Jun 29 01:43:50 hi haeffb! Jun 29 01:44:10 did you see Done is a webOSroundup "top pick" ? Jun 29 01:44:29 no! Jun 29 01:44:37 but that's awesome Jun 29 01:49:02 hey haeffb did you ever get your text wrap problem solved? Jun 29 01:49:56 oh yeah did you? Jun 29 01:55:02 that's done with an exclamation point! Jun 29 01:56:15 well Jun 29 01:56:20 i think my coke rewards app is done Jun 29 01:56:34 er no i gotta make a pixi compatible stylesheet Jun 29 01:56:39 oh kickass Jun 29 01:56:43 i just figured out what the PDK was Jun 29 01:56:49 ... Jun 29 01:56:52 i am so doing my apps in c++ now Jun 29 01:56:57 lol Jun 29 01:56:59 NOOOB Jun 29 01:57:11 as i got the phone 4 days ago, yes, i am Jun 29 01:57:14 i bought soem C++ books to learn, so i will be soon ;p Jun 29 01:57:30 this upcoming update all it does is for gaming? i don't understand why palm is pushing gaming so much Jun 29 01:57:35 i already know C Jun 29 01:57:55 so i can jump into doing my app instead of learning how webos works Jun 29 01:59:00 rolsworth: I don't think that's all it does Jun 29 02:00:20 that is what i heard Jun 29 02:00:42 there's a changelog floating around somewhere Jun 29 02:02:01 well it also supposedly offers easy porting of iphone apps Jun 29 02:02:44 security updates, hybrid apps(?) Jun 29 02:05:38 and enough simple changes so your existing app won't run right and will require an update Jun 29 02:05:41 don't forget that Jun 29 02:09:24 all 3 of my apps have made it through every update with no changes so far :D Jun 29 02:13:55 dave, same here Jun 29 02:14:24 just gotta make changes to the pixi specific stylesheet and mycokerewards is gonna get thrown up on the web feed Jun 29 02:25:44 just posted some storm shots from last night :) Jun 29 02:25:47 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2052768&id=1059832284&ref=mf Jun 29 02:26:43 well that was super easy Jun 29 02:27:00 <-- the last person on earth with no facebook Jun 29 02:27:02 just made my app pixi friendly via css Jun 29 02:27:28 toss this bit of code in you scene.setup() Jun 29 02:27:29 if (Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.touchableRows < 8) { Jun 29 02:27:29 this.controller.get('stylesheet').href = 'stylesheets/pixi.css'; Jun 29 02:27:29 } Jun 29 02:27:42 awesome Jun 29 02:29:21 hrm Jun 29 02:29:29 i wish the emulator would do the splash image Jun 29 02:29:40 i wonder how it looks on the pixi since its a pre sized image Jun 29 02:31:40 hrm odd error when uninstalling apps from the pixi emu.. Jun 29 02:31:46 i get a PDK uninstaller error Jun 29 02:31:52 'jailer' Jun 29 02:32:28 jailer is like a sandbox'r for pdk apps Jun 29 02:33:08 heh, I think that error message is under NDA :) Jun 29 02:33:37 really ;X Jun 29 02:45:37 EmmettLollis: fantastic pics Jun 29 02:46:17 thank you haeffb :) Jun 29 02:47:26 that code worked great btw... i was so out of it i was trying to write my own step by step reorder all day then i realized i only needed those 2 lines.. lol Jun 29 02:51:26 somebody should post it on http://www.webos101.com Jun 29 02:53:46 stupid adMob....there needs to be a way to tell the test system that you want the cpm style, since apparently it's f-ing different than the cpc style **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 29 02:59:57 2010