**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 29 02:59:57 2010 Jun 29 03:00:46 ok, done: http://www.webos101.com/List#Examples Jun 29 03:05:31 dawm: I did get the text problem solved. turns out if you want to float: right a div, it has to come *before* the stuff you want it floated right of. Jun 29 03:15:05 huh Jun 29 03:15:29 apparently sorting by cost in app catalog puts the apps with a high number of positive reviews at the top Jun 29 03:20:44 wow it's practically exactly what it does Jun 29 03:23:11 you guys played critical mass? strangely addicting Jun 29 03:23:16 yah Jun 29 03:26:37 shit Jun 29 03:27:34 sugardave: what cpc cpm stuff are you talking about? Jun 29 03:32:28 yay people like my makefile Jun 29 03:34:04 HattCzech: stupid adMob Jun 29 03:34:40 they are lame....they send a different size banner div than they send the not banner div Jun 29 03:34:58 and it really messes up all the meticulous layout work I did Jun 29 03:34:59 BUT Jun 29 03:35:22 you don't get to say in the test mode "send me a banner size ad" so I can test it Jun 29 03:35:42 and since NOBODY is purchasing webOS ad inventory, I have to sit here and hope that a banner ad will come Jun 29 03:35:55 so I can see if the change I made will work or not Jun 29 03:36:23 but, I think I have it licked now Jun 29 03:37:43 :( Jun 29 03:38:23 why oh why.. do i alway forget somethign right after i submit.. Jun 29 03:38:33 karma? Jun 29 03:40:00 forgot to include metrix .. Jun 29 03:40:19 doh! Jun 29 03:40:34 I'll have to look into that for my next app Jun 29 03:46:53 ugh Jun 29 03:46:59 i wish sprint would get the pre+ Jun 29 03:47:14 im soo sick of mine locking up for no reason Jun 29 03:47:15 nah Jun 29 03:47:25 i would not get a pre plus Jun 29 03:47:32 same device Jun 29 03:47:47 what they need is a new device Jun 29 03:48:17 well i need to exchange mine for one that doesnt have a cracked screen, id rather do that for a + than a normal on ;p Jun 29 03:49:34 Where is DM when I need him Jun 29 03:49:37 Pre Plus is not the same as the Pre, I'd definitely take one if they had it and not think twice about it Jun 29 03:55:20 are the UI animations gpu accelerated Jun 29 03:57:24 Not yet Jun 29 03:57:27 They will be soon Jun 29 03:57:33 Ugh, my dad makes me mad sometimes Jun 29 03:57:52 Me: "I'll just make a JSON file and send it to the device" Jun 29 03:58:03 Him: "Use XML, it's the standard" Jun 29 03:58:05 UGH Jun 29 04:02:41 will be soon? really? Jun 29 04:02:49 aww, Jun 29 04:02:52 (i like xml) Jun 29 04:02:59 (because I'm a silly goose) Jun 29 04:03:18 so your dad's in the biz? Jun 29 04:03:56 hmmm, will Palm accept a help scene that only has an email address and it's at the bottom of a scrolling page? Or is there some shit about it having to be at the very top of the scene? Jun 29 04:04:23 stupid tweetdeck wont let me schedule a tweet.. Jun 29 04:05:04 tweet scheduling huh Jun 29 04:05:14 you know I used to dismiss such a feature but now that I think about it... Jun 29 04:05:44 sugardave: yes Jun 29 04:05:49 with an efficient enough interface you could in 5 minutes schedule a week's worth of tweets Jun 29 04:05:55 well i want to tweet about the MCR app but its not gonna be live for atlesat 2hrs Jun 29 04:06:14 so if i tweet now the link to the webcat isnt gonna work Jun 29 04:06:17 but in 2hours it should Jun 29 04:06:31 kesne: which one? Jun 29 04:06:55 torchie, say you had a contest going, or giving away promo codes or something.. would come in handy ;p Jun 29 04:06:58 sugardave: what? Jun 29 04:07:02 oh, yeah, sugardave... i had that same problem with admob Jun 29 04:07:09 yeah that would be handy Jun 29 04:07:12 I'm ready to zip this, send it on, and get paid Jun 29 04:07:14 what was your solution? cuz mine still messes up :) Jun 29 04:07:23 is tweetdeck pretty much the industrial-strength tweet app Jun 29 04:07:27 but I want to make sure that his help scene is good enough Jun 29 04:07:43 it has an email address in it, but it's at the bottom of the page (must scroll to get to it) Jun 29 04:07:44 I always imagine corporations using some sort of crazy in-house twitter program Jun 29 04:07:48 lol Jun 29 04:08:03 HattCzech: nothing I could do...had to wait for a banner ad to appear and be ready with ctrl-shift-i Jun 29 04:08:23 I believe I have all the CSS set properly for banners and text now Jun 29 04:08:28 looks good to me, anyway Jun 29 04:09:15 what styling tweaks did you have to do? Jun 29 04:09:46 I'm using the admob.js from the "SDK", I just changed it so there is no padding if it's a banner ad Jun 29 04:13:53 from the SDK? is that the same one from their site? Jun 29 04:16:27 holy crap skybox is crazy Jun 29 04:16:39 hey torchie .. i think CoTweet is the Corporate Twitter solution Jun 29 04:17:09 cotweet huh Jun 29 04:17:15 "how business does twitter" Jun 29 04:17:17 makes sense Jun 29 04:17:56 man, imagine individuals using cotweet Jun 29 04:18:00 they'd be corporation-powerful! Jun 29 04:18:16 heh Jun 29 04:18:18 gnight Jun 29 04:18:24 night Jun 29 04:19:31 HattCzech: yeah, the "SDK" is that admob.js on the google code page Jun 29 04:19:59 @palm uses tweetme Jun 29 04:21:35 okay, so you actually modified that, not any css files, gotcha Jun 29 04:31:35 HattCzech: yeah, I made an ad-space div, but it was just to control the sizing for my scrollet, etc. Jun 29 04:33:42 woo, project complete Jun 29 04:41:52 congrats Jun 29 04:42:43 anyone notice that the hotapps site is screwy? :) Jun 29 04:45:58 I don't go there....I don't have an app to look at there :D Jun 29 04:49:51 * Tman needs icons for his app... Jun 29 04:52:18 www.iconspedia.com - make sure they're free Jun 29 04:52:44 I'll look. I mean I'd be willing to buy some royalty-free ones cheaply Jun 29 04:53:31 yeah, i'm not sure where to get those Jun 29 04:53:47 let me know if you find some person or site that works for you Jun 29 04:56:13 ok Jun 29 04:56:53 I really just need something simple.. white on black Jun 29 05:01:29 bust out gimp and give it a shot :) Jun 29 05:03:27 ehe.. I could try :p Jun 29 05:09:15 how is everyone tonight? Jun 29 05:09:47 pretty good Jun 29 05:10:26 cool cool Jun 29 05:12:11 i'm trying to figure out if i should go as paid app or ad supported Jun 29 05:16:15 unless your app is super-popular and/or will be left running for long periods of time, you're probably not going to make very much on ads Jun 29 05:17:29 hrm Jun 29 05:17:56 wonder how sensitive the palm pre screen is to touch Jun 29 05:18:49 pretty sensitive when it wants to be Jun 29 05:18:57 can it tell if i push hard or soft on it? Jun 29 05:19:16 no Jun 29 05:19:32 a tap is a tap eh? Jun 29 05:19:37 or a hold Jun 29 05:19:41 right right Jun 29 05:20:10 I supposed it might be possible to do some accelerometer computation to determine force Jun 29 05:20:24 but I'm not sure how quick/accurate that would be Jun 29 05:20:31 what about weight applied? Jun 29 05:20:41 nope Jun 29 05:21:03 alright Jun 29 05:21:12 well, I'm guessing...not 100% sure, but it isn't something I've seen discussed here or in the forums Jun 29 05:21:23 yeah.. same.. Jun 29 05:32:24 amazon has some awesome deals on pre accessories Jun 29 05:33:22 bought a battery, headset, usb charger/cable, and case for $30 including shipping Jun 29 05:36:56 My new "Apps" website is up and running now. http://KaboomApps.com/ Jun 29 05:37:34 rbredow: looks great Jun 29 05:37:39 Thanks Jun 29 05:38:30 like the simplicity and the clear images Jun 29 05:38:39 detailed images Jun 29 05:39:05 It's suprising sometimes how "hard" simple can be. :) Jun 29 05:39:17 yeah forsure Jun 29 05:41:18 have not been in here about a week, any interesting WebOS news? Jun 29 05:42:03 rbredow: congrats on being #1 Jun 29 05:42:34 Well...#1 game...but we're actually #22 on the paid side right now. Just out of the BIG money at the moment! Jun 29 05:42:49 rbredow: yeah congrats!, great pics also Jun 29 05:42:55 its still pretty awesome Jun 29 05:43:07 Thanks. Indeed it is. Lots of people playing the game and having fun with it. Jun 29 05:43:17 has anyone received payments this month? Jun 29 05:43:22 #1 game on anything is sweet Jun 29 05:43:26 Not me. Jun 29 05:44:06 i am assuming palm is waiting, for the contest results, and then paypal the prize + monthly payment together Jun 29 05:44:11 EmmettLollis: Absolutely. Jun 29 05:57:46 ms has sold more than 150 million copies of windows 7 - that is about $14,850,000,000 Billion at $99 a piece Jun 29 05:58:31 not sure any company can ever compete with that Jun 29 06:33:26 how serendipitous, another webos project comes up for proposals Jun 29 06:37:10 was wanting to inquire about the latest update for the warthog-61 Jun 29 06:38:54 this code needs to be tidied up... Jun 29 06:41:00 sjsharksfan_: what? Jun 29 06:41:16 dkirker: that's always the case with my stuff Jun 29 06:41:58 I was looking at my Mind Master source the other day and I almost cried Jun 29 06:42:27 it's really bad, but it was my first app....I've learned a lot since then :D Jun 29 06:43:51 the ;atest warthog kernel Jun 29 06:43:58 is this the right place to discuss? Jun 29 06:45:07 sjsharksfan_: nah, that would be #webos-internals Jun 29 06:45:16 k Jun 29 06:45:20 thank you sir Jun 29 06:45:22 you're talking about Palm phones, yeah? Jun 29 06:45:27 yes Jun 29 06:45:34 okay, just checking :D Jun 29 06:45:44 right on, thanks dave Jun 29 06:45:47 np Jun 29 06:46:48 sugardave: My problem is that I have been doing so much development and testing that the code hasn't actually been "beautified" Jun 29 06:46:52 dave you still there? Jun 29 06:47:10 dkirker: I've never once run my stuff through jslint, I guess I should Jun 29 06:47:12 nm, later yall Jun 29 06:47:15 sjsharksfan_: present Jun 29 06:47:22 bye sjsharksfan_ Jun 29 06:47:27 ltr Jun 29 06:47:31 cya Jun 29 06:47:53 crap, it's late....night Jun 29 06:48:18 good night sugardave Jun 29 07:07:46 hi guys ... How can I trigger FilterField to search after minimum number of characters entered? Jun 29 07:15:52 anyone? Jun 29 08:07:37 hmm, i don't see a method for search on the widget... Jun 29 08:07:52 there could be an undocumented method though Jun 29 08:23:30 Hello Jun 29 08:23:48 this is odd... when i put my integer picker inside a group/row the text is aligned at the bottom, when i put it in its own space outside of the group it's aligned correctly Jun 29 08:23:54 hi projectAlarum Jun 29 08:31:22 Could be the parent object's positioning... Possibly... Jun 29 08:34:34 looks like i'm not the only one who's ran into this Jun 29 08:34:39 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4345&view=previous Jun 29 08:35:41 ahh found a fix.. Jun 29 08:35:57 had to use an absolute panel instead of a row Jun 29 08:37:42 Hmmm, silly css Jun 29 08:37:57 using Ares to boot Jun 29 08:38:05 Lol Jun 29 08:39:12 it has its pluses and its negatives Jun 29 08:39:23 nice to visualy design an app Jun 29 08:39:36 but a pain to troubleshoot since i think i'm the only one who uses it Jun 29 08:40:21 hi haeffb Jun 29 08:40:49 I just don't have the patience for it, prefer notepad lol Jun 29 08:41:48 i really like the debugging features Jun 29 08:43:31 Any suggestions on the best way to read in an rdb formatted url? Jun 29 08:44:30 whats rdb? Jun 29 08:47:27 FilterField is used for searching ... can i somehow restrict to searching after minimum characters entered ? Jun 29 08:47:32 anyone? Jun 29 08:47:41 Its a tab delimited ascii file structure, basically the result of a db query Jun 29 08:47:53 In readable format Jun 29 08:48:03 raghuk... i was trying to find an answer for you earlier but i couldn't find any methods for it Jun 29 08:48:20 so kind of like a csv Jun 29 08:48:28 Yup Jun 29 08:49:02 you could use indexOf to find each field Jun 29 08:49:17 if i'm understanding the question right Jun 29 08:49:20 hmmm ... any alternative solution? Jun 29 08:51:40 whats the url look like? Jun 29 08:55:24 One sec Jun 29 08:59:00 Http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?cb_00060=on&cb_00010=on&cb00011=on&cb_00045=on&format=rdb&period=1&site_no=07099970 Jun 29 08:59:01 ok Jun 29 09:00:09 That's a rather small request, basically you can look back to the last 120 days, and a ton of other options with the url, but that's an average sample Jun 29 09:01:49 When I pull it in, it comes in as one long string and it'd be a nightmare to translate so I need a better way to retrieve it almost Jun 29 09:03:09 only thing thats coming to mind would be a loop through indexOf("?") to get each field.. then maybe save each to its own field string Jun 29 09:03:24 thats how i used to do it in the C days Jun 29 09:03:49 Http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?cb_00060=on&cb_00010=on&cb_00011=on&cb_00045=on&format=rdb&period=1&site_no=07099970 Jun 29 09:03:57 Sorry, forgot an _ Jun 29 09:04:40 hmm.. do you know what all the cb_'s are? Jun 29 09:05:11 does anyone know how to change the label color for an integerPicker? Jun 29 09:05:22 Yup, there's a ton that are available but most won't be used Jun 29 09:11:32 could be something like substr(stringUrl.indexOf("cb_00060="), stringUrl.indexOf("cb_00060=")+2) Jun 29 09:14:12 Lol funny you should say that, I fought with substr for hours the other day... Pissed me off when I realized what I was doing wrong... Jun 29 09:15:44 That should work actually Jun 29 09:22:54 i used something like that back when i wrote my own http log parser Jun 29 09:28:14 awesome, i changed the integerpicker label color :) Jun 29 09:29:50 nice :)\n Jun 29 11:09:43 good morning everyone Jun 29 11:43:02 ahh, i've finally got all the date entry portion of my app working Jun 29 11:43:32 time to see if i can cram all the reports together in a day and a half Jun 29 12:13:50 time for a power nap Jun 29 13:45:35 hi .. good morning guys Jun 29 14:44:32 morning all Jun 29 15:07:19 anyone have any good ideas on how i can get my app another 1k downloads or so? Jun 29 15:11:20 Does it count downloads from people that delete the app then download it again? =p Jun 29 15:12:17 heheh, good question Jun 29 15:12:22 i doubt it, though Jun 29 15:12:28 probably by deviceid Jun 29 15:12:36 Or maybe trying pushing an update for everyone to download? Jun 29 15:17:45 i just did Jun 29 15:17:51 went out last night Jun 29 15:21:47 MetaView: you around? Jun 29 15:23:22 Does anyone here work with Ares? Jun 29 15:24:21 I prefer Mars Jun 29 15:38:56 "@funkatron Is there an irc client for webOS" Jun 29 15:38:59 really? :P Jun 29 15:45:49 not that I know of... Jun 29 15:46:19 you mean wIRC ? :P Jun 29 15:49:02 wir what? Jun 29 16:03:05 I've never heard of a wirc... Jun 29 16:03:57 I've used Wirc Jun 29 16:03:59 It's great Jun 29 16:04:18 I know. It is great! :) Jun 29 16:23:04 talkative group today Jun 29 16:23:53 shhh, we are hunting wabbits...we vewwy vewwwy quiet Jun 29 16:24:13 hehe Jun 29 16:24:21 anyone from webosroundup around? Jun 29 16:24:27 or precentral? Jun 29 16:25:01 I'm a little active on precentral Jun 29 16:25:29 who runs the twitter account? and who does reviews? Jun 29 16:25:55 I don't know Jun 29 16:28:04 i want some retweets, but i'm not special enough :) Jun 29 16:35:42 HattCzech_work: kesne knows Deiter/Dieter, I think Jun 29 16:37:35 shhh!! A wabbit! Jun 29 16:38:34 okay, cool Jun 29 16:38:38 hi Jun 29 16:38:40 man, i am SOOO close to 221 Jun 29 16:38:44 hi MetaView Jun 29 16:38:55 alright, time for work. See you folks in a bit! Jun 29 16:38:56 just moved up to 223 and ~300 downloads away :/ Jun 29 16:39:13 congrats! Jun 29 16:39:14 hi Jun 29 16:39:23 MetaView: care to retweet again today? Jun 29 16:39:29 well... Jun 29 16:39:36 you haven't much followers, eh? Jun 29 16:39:42 correct Jun 29 16:39:49 but, ok, I can do it Jun 29 16:39:54 i need webosroundup or precentral or palm to retweet Jun 29 16:40:04 or even palm Jun 29 16:40:07 you would also help (or maybe get someone to notice) Jun 29 16:40:32 hey chuqui! how can i get palm to retweet about my app? Jun 29 16:40:35 HattCzech_work, what's your App? I'll download it :D Jun 29 16:40:40 TXT Group Jun 29 16:40:43 and thanks Jun 29 16:40:59 small bills, unmarked envelope. Jun 29 16:41:05 HattCzech: when you have a tweet about a new version, palm most of the time retweets Jun 29 16:41:13 $1? :) Jun 29 16:41:25 i posted one this morning about 1.0.7 Jun 29 16:41:28 Downloaded Jun 29 16:41:37 I wonder if I ever was in the special app section i nthe AppCat, I guess not Jun 29 16:41:40 * sugardave slaughters a thousand baby ducklings. "Is that enough small bills?" Jun 29 16:41:57 chuqui: could you ask to have my app in the special section for the German catalog :D Jun 29 16:42:00 lol... horrible, but funny Jun 29 16:42:15 yeah, seriously. tweet away. If I see it when I'm actually watching twitter, I try to retweet stuff that catches my attention and I haven't already retweeted from that person recently. Jun 29 16:42:34 mine posted about an hour ago Jun 29 16:42:37 I try to do a couple a day on general principle, so it's sort of luck of the draw. Jun 29 16:42:45 HattCzech_work: I know what to do, mentiojn birds in your tweet Jun 29 16:42:54 birds? Jun 29 16:43:08 "look at this nice sparrow, and download TravelGuide A.S.A.P." Jun 29 16:43:18 this will get chuqui's attention :) Jun 29 16:43:28 hahahaha Jun 29 16:43:44 "Want to know where the birds are in your neighborhood? TravelGuide will tell you" Jun 29 16:43:49 can't bhurt. Jun 29 16:43:53 :) Jun 29 16:44:01 * MetaView is going to twitter Jun 29 16:45:04 chuqui: who watches the @palm acount? Jun 29 16:45:21 JonZ, over in PR. Jun 29 16:46:19 I need to port my Twitter client to webos Jun 29 16:46:23 is he on twitter? Jun 29 16:46:42 Followers++ Jun 29 16:47:32 what's the easiest way to center an in a view? Jun 29 16:47:36 horizontally centered Jun 29 16:47:46 yeah, he's on twitter. @palm Jun 29 16:47:50 (ducking) Jun 29 16:47:58 hahahaha, thanks :) Jun 29 16:48:03
? Jun 29 16:48:27 (rule 1 of this stuff: don't give out someone else's contact info w/o permission... ) Jun 29 16:48:58 okay, fair enough Jun 29 16:49:17 would you mind giving him a shout and mind asking if he can retweet about my update? :) Jun 29 16:49:26 but I don't think he has a personal twitter. Jun 29 16:49:49 MetaView: i tried that, it didn't work for some reason Jun 29 16:49:53 okay, so that option is out... Jun 29 16:50:11 pandora--: i'm looking it up in my code... one sec Jun 29 16:50:17 tyty Jun 29 16:50:35 fraeking twitter. I'm getting posting errors now. Jun 29 16:51:04 but don't worry, twitter fans. Mike Abbott will fix everything there. Jun 29 16:51:04 I think it's because of the soccer match that just ended. Twitter is over capacity. Jun 29 16:51:16 display: block; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; Jun 29 16:51:28 put that in the css Jun 29 16:51:37 for that image class Jun 29 16:51:38 GOOOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jun 29 16:56:00 Who's going to retweet this? MetaView: Do you need a birdy download today? Try TravelGuide for free on your @palm #webos http://bit.ly/aOnBbR Jun 29 16:58:05 chuqui retweets stuff about precentral homebrew? Jun 29 16:58:33 I retweet stuff that I think is interesting. Jun 29 16:58:51 lies Jun 29 16:59:03 wait, what? Jun 29 16:59:59 dammit zune, why does your browser suck so. your so much easier to hide than my pre Jun 29 17:01:25 it's like Ms. just took one look at web standards and shat on em Jun 29 17:01:37 hey deliciousmorsel, did you check out my app? :) Jun 29 17:01:50 honestly i have not Jun 29 17:02:05 i spent last night putting out fires on a HTML5 call center app i wrote Jun 29 17:02:05 care to retweet about it anyway? :) Jun 29 17:02:16 ohhh, that doesn't sound like fun Jun 29 17:02:36 yeah basically chrome has a memory leak with html5 audio Jun 29 17:02:59 I spent yesterday making a site work in ie6. it was a bitch Jun 29 17:03:01 it was contract work and they didn't do a beta test and threw it at 60 call center reps Jun 29 17:03:24 and boom after like 30 minutes chrome would start acting weird Jun 29 17:03:29 ohhh god, IE6 Jun 29 17:04:01 yeah i dont have to deal with IE6 anymore Jun 29 17:04:06 its ince Jun 29 17:04:07 nice Jun 29 17:04:14 replace chrome with safari Jun 29 17:04:22 only have to support IE7 + Firefox 3 + Chrome + Safari Jun 29 17:04:31 uhhgg its windows … safari blows on windows Jun 29 17:04:39 plus i like chrome… a lot Jun 29 17:04:43 and my real job doesn't support it, but work sites do Jun 29 17:04:46 side work Jun 29 17:04:59 my side work only supports whatever i tell them to support Jun 29 17:05:03 which is webkit only browsers Jun 29 17:05:05 :D Jun 29 17:05:48 heheh, nice Jun 29 17:06:40 my work only supports latest release minus one Jun 29 17:06:59 aka ie 7, ff 2 Jun 29 17:07:02 lol Jun 29 17:07:05 FF2? Jun 29 17:07:10 yes Jun 29 17:07:12 that blows Jun 29 17:07:16 we support ff3+ Jun 29 17:07:23 i just dont want to test against another browser Jun 29 17:07:32 though i'm positive all of it would work just fine Jun 29 17:07:52 that's what users aew Jun 29 17:07:56 re Jun 29 17:07:59 are for Jun 29 17:08:07 wow, fail typing Jun 29 17:08:31 our product is used by network security personnel Jun 29 17:08:39 so usually they are using a really new browser Jun 29 17:09:01 mine is used my colleges... so... Jun 29 17:09:45 hey all! Jun 29 17:10:58 so what number are you on the list? Jun 29 17:11:18 HattCzech_work: still 221? Jun 29 17:13:33 I wish the Hot Apps program counted alltime downloads Jun 29 17:13:46 me too Jun 29 17:14:03 Btw. who wants a search inside the calendar? Jun 29 17:14:09 that would have made it less competitive Jun 29 17:14:21 cause all the apps that have been around would of had an unfair advantage Jun 29 17:14:23 like mine Jun 29 17:14:32 and no one would of been able to outsell them Jun 29 17:15:01 That's the point :P Jun 29 17:15:07 Checkers would win more money Jun 29 17:15:19 Because as is, the apps that have been around longer have a disadvantage Jun 29 17:15:41 the contest was meant to spur new app development Jun 29 17:15:45 How many hours are left? Jun 29 17:16:02 re-morning everyone Jun 29 17:16:06 36ish Jun 29 17:16:11 37 Jun 29 17:16:38 Bascially, unless you're on the cusp, you're staying where you are Jun 29 17:16:42 woo! Jun 29 17:17:01 anybody have any suggestions for new apps that I should obtain? :D Jun 29 17:17:20 i'm hoping to get my app ready tomorrow so it can hit the catalog the first part of july for the contest Jun 29 17:17:44 flixter? Jun 29 17:17:55 are PDK apps allowed from tomorrow? Jun 29 17:18:11 emmet what are you making? or is it top secret until july Jun 29 17:18:23 deliciousmorsel: 223 Jun 29 17:18:31 ~300 away Jun 29 17:18:31 calorie and carb tracker with full history Jun 29 17:18:51 HattCzech_work: totally did not work Jun 29 17:18:53 booo Jun 29 17:18:59 i swear that should center Jun 29 17:19:04 seriously? worked for mine Jun 29 17:19:48 pandora: is the width of the element around set to 100% Jun 29 17:20:04 HattCzech_work: retweeted Jun 29 17:20:15 oh Jun 29 17:20:16 no :) Jun 29 17:20:35 kesne: i hear you know dieter? Jun 29 17:20:55 HattCzech_work: are you just trying to get free publicity? Jun 29 17:20:59 thanks, MetaView Jun 29 17:21:07 HattCzech_work: best way to get free publicity: make an awesome app Jun 29 17:21:17 it is an awesome app :) Jun 29 17:21:26 do other people think so? Jun 29 17:21:31 lol Jun 29 17:21:32 well, better than the other ones availabel Jun 29 17:21:36 thats good Jun 29 17:21:38 available* Jun 29 17:21:41 so far, yeah Jun 29 17:21:42 did you email precentral Jun 29 17:21:47 say hey look its awesome Jun 29 17:21:56 i haven't gotten many negative reviews Jun 29 17:22:02 aside from some that i believe to be from the competitors Jun 29 17:22:06 lol Jun 29 17:22:13 its never the competitors Jun 29 17:22:44 HattCzech_work: Where did you hear that? Jun 29 17:22:44 well, i've gotten no e-mails saying that "quick text doesn't work and there's no help in the app or on the website"... so i find it a bit odd Jun 29 17:23:20 sugardave mentioned that you might know him Jun 29 17:23:21 It does seem like a cool app Jun 29 17:23:34 I know Dieter Jun 29 17:23:37 he wasn't sure, so that's why i asked Jun 29 17:23:46 Hell, I know Kieth, David, etc etc Jun 29 17:23:54 I know everybody at these websites Jun 29 17:24:04 very cool Jun 29 17:24:41 i met dieter in vegas at ces this year Jun 29 17:25:02 he is pretty cool, gave rick a battery when his had died Jun 29 17:25:14 And you didn't grab his number? Jun 29 17:25:49 wasn't thinking about it at the time Jun 29 17:26:11 heh, met him at dev days Jun 29 17:26:55 gave him a ride to a food place Jun 29 17:27:15 kesne: does he update the precentral twitter feed? and would he mind retweeting about my app? :) Jun 29 17:27:21 hello folks Jun 29 17:27:27 because I can't for the life of me spell reasteraunt today Jun 29 17:27:31 or even better... doing a review? :D hehe Jun 29 17:27:35 hey LoneStar99 Jun 29 17:27:42 restaurant? Jun 29 17:27:59 it is a tricky word Jun 29 17:28:14 restaurant? Jun 29 17:28:14 is that right? Jun 29 17:28:34 is there another contest? Jun 29 17:28:39 HattCzech_work: He doesn't run it Jun 29 17:28:52 sugardave: there will be in a couple days Jun 29 17:29:05 oh, is it for PDK only apps? Jun 29 17:29:08 okay, thanks for letting me know, kesne Jun 29 17:29:23 Yeah PDK apps July 1st Jun 29 17:29:27 suck Jun 29 17:29:29 oh well Jun 29 17:29:31 yeah, meaning i need to come up with a brilliant idea and brush up on my c in 2 days :) Jun 29 17:29:37 HattCzech_work: The guy that runs it starts with a M Jun 29 17:29:38 gonna bust something out for that Jun 29 17:29:53 C/ C++ Jun 29 17:30:00 HattCzech_work: nm it worked i'm dumb :P Jun 29 17:30:07 I think It's @mahootzki Jun 29 17:30:14 they need to have a "best Mojo database" app contest Jun 29 17:30:24 I will destroy all of you Jun 29 17:30:27 rawr Jun 29 17:31:02 pandora--: awesome! glad it did Jun 29 17:31:10 heh Jun 29 17:31:18 They need a "longest app delay" contest Jun 29 17:31:23 kesne: what about the featured apps on precentral? do you know who does those? i submitted a bit ago, but no response yet Jun 29 17:31:24 anyooone ellse hve a horiibllle palm ppre keybooard? Jun 29 17:31:39 HattCzech_work: Not sure Jun 29 17:31:54 HattCzech_work: Send them an email about it Jun 29 17:32:09 nn7: Mine doesn't produce letters sometimes. Jun 29 17:34:16 ... and we can't us a blluetoooth keybooard Jun 29 17:34:40 dkirker: i've had some issues with some keys lately (spacebar, g, h, and a few others) Jun 29 17:35:13 HattCzech_work: Mine is usually with i and a couple of others. The double key bug was fixed, for the most part, though. Jun 29 17:35:34 cllearlly Jun 29 17:35:41 hahaha Jun 29 17:35:52 I have found that if I press somewhat hard, it works. So it might just be the location of the key and the way I am pressing it. :/ Jun 29 17:36:16 Yay! Jun 29 17:36:18 all my pres work just fine.... Jun 29 17:36:24 Finally Keen Studios shows up in Bing! Jun 29 17:36:35 I asked pallm tech suppport if they've had any cmpllaints, they saiid no Jun 29 17:36:46 so i shoowed them this http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/231153-does-your-pre-plus-double-type-letters-miss-them-entirely.html Jun 29 17:39:00 hmmm, the assertion that random keys could only be a hardware bug is a pretty bold one... Jun 29 17:39:29 dkirker: yeah, i noticed the same thing... having to push it harder sometimes Jun 29 17:41:34 I'm kinda ok with it. I'm more afriad of getting a Pre+ with worse problems, so I live with this one (assuming it is a hardware bug). Jun 29 17:45:03 i've had 0 problems with my pre plus Jun 29 17:45:11 hmmm Jun 29 17:45:12 keyboard or otherwise Jun 29 17:45:16 AT&T or Verizon? Jun 29 17:45:17 same Jun 29 17:45:19 verizon Jun 29 17:45:23 well Jun 29 17:45:25 check that Jun 29 17:45:26 hmmm Jun 29 17:45:34 gps is funky unless is use the vzw navi first Jun 29 17:46:13 but i think thats just because verizon is a bunch of commies Jun 29 17:46:22 that's why I want BT access, would like to learn how to make it talk to my standalone BT GPS receiver Jun 29 17:46:37 good idea Jun 29 17:46:51 that would be a good project for learning C/C++, yeah? Jun 29 17:47:04 no doubt Jun 29 17:47:19 silly app submission tried to charge me $50 for an open-source free app submission Jun 29 17:47:47 i'll give stuff away, but i won't pay to give away :) Jun 29 17:49:04 really? for open source? Jun 29 17:49:24 yep Jun 29 17:49:25 i knew it did that for non-open source free apps in the app catalog... but that seems odd Jun 29 17:49:34 even says Jun 29 17:49:43 no pricing Jun 29 17:49:46 then sends me to paypal Jun 29 17:50:45 Omnomnomnom Jun 29 17:50:46 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/tmpicon.png Jun 29 17:50:59 discombobulate: pay then dispute ;) Jun 29 17:51:21 heh Jun 29 17:52:15 thats an.. interesting icon.. Jun 29 17:54:24 It's an amazing icon :P Jun 29 17:55:02 let me look up the defination of amazing real quick :D Jun 29 17:55:19 :P Jun 29 17:55:21 look up the spelling of definition while you're in there Jun 29 17:55:48 heh Jun 29 17:55:58 just kidding Jun 29 17:56:14 hehe Jun 29 17:56:45 touche Jun 29 17:56:52 should i look up how to add the little thing over the e too? Jun 29 17:57:01 The app name is Planet Eaters. Jun 29 17:57:14 well that makes more sense Jun 29 17:57:30 And you add it like this: touché Jun 29 17:57:57 doesn't look right on my terminal Jun 29 17:58:02 mus be font type Jun 29 17:58:06 Indeed Jun 29 17:58:13 Probably just because you suck Jun 29 17:58:19 thats not at all possible Jun 29 17:58:36 I love my evo Jun 29 17:58:48 I probably get an Epic. Jun 29 17:59:26 so what doesp lanet eaters do? Jun 29 17:59:31 damn this keyboard sucks Jun 29 18:01:20 It's a game Jun 29 18:02:58 printers with email addresses....what could possibly go wrong? Jun 29 18:03:24 sounds secure enough Jun 29 18:15:12 I need testers! Jun 29 18:15:52 for? planet eater? Jun 29 18:16:05 eaters* Jun 29 18:16:12 I only eat meat Jun 29 18:16:24 hahah Jun 29 18:16:26 Any suggestion on the best way to read in a rdb formatted url, kinda like a csv Jun 29 18:16:39 MetaView: who's omocopalm? Jun 29 18:16:49 a german dev Jun 29 18:16:57 why? did he retweet? Jun 29 18:16:57 Yes, for Planet eaters Jun 29 18:17:04 yeah Jun 29 18:17:05 okay, cool Jun 29 18:17:05 projectAlarum: rdb? do you have an example? Jun 29 18:17:06 kesne: count me in Jun 29 18:17:23 HattCzech_work: did you retweet mine? Jun 29 18:17:29 MetaView: It's a terribly simple app Jun 29 18:17:42 i'd like palm or precentral or webosroundup to retweet as well... webosdev did, so that's cool Jun 29 18:17:50 not yet... let me do that Jun 29 18:18:03 kesne: no deal, will try it if you send it to me Jun 29 18:18:26 I need to finish UberCalendar and then start my PDK project... Jun 29 18:18:58 man, i really want to get to 221 and stay there :/ Jun 29 18:19:04 it sucks being soooo close Jun 29 18:19:19 it's mean, yes Jun 29 18:19:22 YAYAYAY! Jun 29 18:19:35 NO MORE APP SUBMITTION FEES! Jun 29 18:19:38 http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?cb_00060=on&cb_00065=on&cb_00010=on&cb_00095=on&cb_00011=on&cb_00045=on&format=rdb&period=1&site_no=07099970 Jun 29 18:19:41 what? Jun 29 18:19:43 wow Jun 29 18:19:46 sweet Jun 29 18:19:54 just read the email Jun 29 18:20:02 projectAlarum: read it in, separate on newline Jun 29 18:20:11 separate on tab Jun 29 18:20:17 quite easy in JS Jun 29 18:20:24 there is some split function IIRC Jun 29 18:20:37 SWEET Jun 29 18:21:02 hey, do you think palm will give rest of the developers a palm pre? Jun 29 18:21:05 projectAlarum: that might be a pain, you'd have to get the response, trim each line's ends and then split on whitespace, THEN you could start pounding them into your db Jun 29 18:21:11 for their hot app challenge Jun 29 18:21:12 ups Jun 29 18:21:13 anybody just get the Palm Developer Newsletter? Jun 29 18:21:17 oh wow! awesome Jun 29 18:21:18 Palm will giver me money back? Jun 29 18:21:24 dkirker: you're late to the party Jun 29 18:21:29 MetaView: Yepperz Jun 29 18:21:42 That's what I was afraid of... Jun 29 18:21:51 kesne: ah. Only because I was reading my email. :) Jun 29 18:21:52 omg, if I can still use the receipts for the TAX reduction :D Jun 29 18:21:58 what does the newsletter say? Jun 29 18:22:01 sweet, 3 refunds for me...oh wait Jun 29 18:22:02 Nyceane: care to promote my app to get me into 221? :) Jun 29 18:22:07 I never had to pay :D Jun 29 18:22:17 sugardave: no pain, I made an CSV import it was a 4 liner Jun 29 18:22:18 HattCzech_work, how many downloads do you need? Jun 29 18:22:19 I never did either Jun 29 18:22:26 i can get you probably 100 to 200 by tomorrow Jun 29 18:22:28 I submitted apps before they added it in, heh Jun 29 18:22:42 that will help Jun 29 18:22:47 i'm only a couple hundred off Jun 29 18:22:48 MetaView: ah, cool...I was thinking about how to parse out each one as a field/record thing Jun 29 18:22:58 whats the app name? Jun 29 18:22:59 HattCzech_work: what number are you? Jun 29 18:23:12 all my apps are over 200 now, i doubt i can drop 20 ranks in 1 day Jun 29 18:23:17 do you have an in with webosroundup to get my app mentioned there? :) Jun 29 18:23:24 (since i just saw the article about you) Jun 29 18:23:27 * MetaView tries to speak German with kesne :D Jun 29 18:23:34 Hehe Jun 29 18:23:39 lol =| Jun 29 18:23:43 i m famous now ha Jun 29 18:23:45 TXT Group Jun 29 18:24:05 hit 223 today, only a LITTLE more to go Jun 29 18:24:57 get some news guy to bash about you Jun 29 18:25:05 you'll get your app up in no time Jun 29 18:25:08 projectAlarum: you really have a good go with string.split() Jun 29 18:25:20 HattCzech_work: If you want, I can pull a few strings Jun 29 18:25:29 kesne: i would greatly appreciate that Jun 29 18:25:46 i had 221, but only for 2 days :/ Jun 29 18:25:57 MetaView: Thank you, I was trying to go about using substr and couldnlt get it to work for the life of me Jun 29 18:26:16 no, split is your friend, I could even share some code, wait Jun 29 18:27:55 projectAlarum: http://www.pastebin.org/ Jun 29 18:28:00 http://www.pastebin.org/366952 :D Jun 29 18:28:54 whoa, app submission fees being refunded? sweeeeeeeeeeeet! Jun 29 18:29:00 maybe we should start a Twitter/Facebook campaign Jun 29 18:29:40 everyone who wants to be inside mentions one of its app and then everyone tweets or posts the applist Jun 29 18:30:17 MetaView: i like it Jun 29 18:30:30 nice. refunds. Jun 29 18:30:58 That looks like it'd work, what are all of the options or switches with string.split() Jun 29 18:31:27 projectAlarum: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_split.asp Jun 29 18:31:36 check out some JS docs, I don't know them all by heart Jun 29 18:31:53 Sweet, thank you Jun 29 18:32:22 ok, have to pick up some beer (any under-ages here?) Jun 29 18:32:40 * sugardave points at kesne and laughs. Jun 29 18:32:44 hehe Jun 29 18:33:05 ok, Sprite for under-ages Jun 29 18:33:06 :( Jun 29 18:33:11 I hate Sprite Jun 29 18:33:13 Germans drink beer? Jun 29 18:33:16 I'll just dring Beer Jun 29 18:33:21 *drink Jun 29 18:33:26 hook a brotha up with some sprite Jun 29 18:33:31 sugardave: yes, we are supposed to do Jun 29 18:33:37 If I was in Germany, I could drink Jun 29 18:33:41 it's genetic, huh? Jun 29 18:33:41 or a white russian Jun 29 18:33:48 right, starting with 16 Jun 29 18:33:48 * sugardave doesn't drink anymore. Jun 29 18:33:55 well, Dr. Pepper, but that's it Jun 29 18:33:59 mmmm, German beer :) Jun 29 18:34:13 sugardave: cherry dr. pepper? Jun 29 18:34:15 I don't drink Jun 29 18:34:16 And I'm 16, so yay! Jun 29 18:34:16 it will be beer with lemonade, it's evening but still quite hot here Jun 29 18:34:19 not even water Jun 29 18:34:23 it's overrated Jun 29 18:34:33 yeah i'm with torchie Jun 29 18:34:38 damn overrated water Jun 29 18:34:46 HattCzech_work: I like cherry dp alright, but the best is Sonic fountain dp with some vanilla Jun 29 18:34:52 I don't see what the big deal is about air either Jun 29 18:34:57 I have a Palm Pre emulator running SDK 1.4.5, and I'd like to do network address translation on it. "iptables -t nat -Lvn" fails because there is no "nat" table. Do I have to compile my own kernel to get NAT, or is there a kernel module I can download and install? Jun 29 18:34:58 ooh it's clear.. and quenches your thirst, and need it to live Jun 29 18:35:00 bah who needs it Jun 29 18:35:03 word Jun 29 18:35:19 they have free drinks at work, so i go through a few diet cherry dp's a day Jun 29 18:35:26 TimFreeman: not in the stock kernel, I'm afraid....check with #webos-internals Jun 29 18:35:39 HattCzech_work: ah, I USED to get free drinks at work Jun 29 18:35:42 not anymore, alas Jun 29 18:35:48 how unfortunate Jun 29 18:35:57 everyone should get free drinks at work, good for moral Jun 29 18:36:09 * dkirker gets drunk Jun 29 18:36:21 indeed it is Jun 29 18:36:59 good for moral? Jun 29 18:37:00 moral what? Jun 29 18:37:06 OHH... morale :D Jun 29 18:37:08 the moral compass Jun 29 18:37:15 sugardave: want a dr pepper wristwatch? Jun 29 18:37:24 haeffb-pre: sure! Jun 29 18:37:27 my bad.. Jun 29 18:37:29 e Jun 29 18:37:32 there's your e nn7 Jun 29 18:37:52 * haeffb-pre won one in a raffle...dont drink soda & don't wear a watch... Jun 29 18:38:06 nn7: it's pretty bold to correct other people when your keyboard double-types sometimes ;) Jun 29 18:38:08 before i type, i'll msg you for spell check, cool? Jun 29 18:38:12 email me an address & it's yours. Jun 29 18:38:35 haeffb-pre: cool, I will Jun 29 18:38:38 thanks Jun 29 18:41:08 sugardave: true true, I have to keep inn mind that this iis a pallm pre channnnnnnnnl Jun 29 18:41:40 heh Jun 29 18:42:03 i really hope palm gives everybody 221 to 250 a palm pre Jun 29 18:42:17 just so i can have a palm pre, i have an app thats 244 Jun 29 18:42:29 Nyceane: you STILL don't have a phone? Jun 29 18:42:35 GET WITH THE PROGRAM! Jun 29 18:42:48 :( Jun 29 18:42:48 no, my contract is not over until next year Jun 29 18:43:01 i can't afford a $550 phone Jun 29 18:43:09 yeah, I hear you Jun 29 18:43:12 which carrier? Jun 29 18:43:18 verizon Jun 29 18:43:41 don't they let you get a discounted price if you sign a new contract? Jun 29 18:43:46 or are you trying to avoid that? Jun 29 18:43:56 i got my droid last year Jun 29 18:44:01 add a line Jun 29 18:44:02 Dude, go to best buy, have em sign a new contract and get it at the two year price Jun 29 18:44:10 free phone Jun 29 18:44:23 bet it costs more though in the long run Jun 29 18:44:29 i m already stuck with verizon for another 2 years lol Jun 29 18:44:31 extra $$ for data though :/ Jun 29 18:44:49 I thought it might rain here for a minute....looks like the Republican weather machine is still working (I live in the ghetto-lite, so we don't deserve rain) Jun 29 18:45:13 but if palm gives a phone for people who's app was just a little below $1,000 rang Jun 29 18:45:14 range Jun 29 18:45:15 it rains here every day at like 3pm Jun 29 18:45:17 it would sound awesome Jun 29 18:45:25 discombobulate: where are you, Florida? Jun 29 18:45:29 yep Jun 29 18:45:33 Miami Jun 29 18:45:35 i'd be happy to get a new phone... Jun 29 18:45:40 third-world america :D Jun 29 18:45:43 heh Jun 29 18:46:12 Nyceane: You could always do what I am going to do. I'm going to get a PixiPlus on AT&T (I have a PrePlus on VZW) and give it a GoPhone account. Jun 29 18:46:21 But, that is still $300-$400 :( Jun 29 18:46:50 i used a free upgrade for my pre plus Jun 29 18:47:08 * sugardave idly wonders what the elimination of app submission fees will do to the quality of apps. Jun 29 18:47:17 ugh, Brighthouse Jun 29 18:47:25 dkirker, i just think palm should give out a phone for developers that "almost made it" Jun 29 18:47:26 please no fart apps. please please please Jun 29 18:47:26 well, as long as they still check 'em out, we might be ok Jun 29 18:47:35 Nyceane: That's be nice too :D Jun 29 18:48:16 some might find their way to /dev/null Jun 29 18:48:24 hopefully the fart app will Jun 29 18:48:36 too late on that, I'm afraid Jun 29 18:48:38 woo florida! Jun 29 18:48:50 there is like 1 or 2 fart apps, but hopefully not more... Jun 29 18:49:03 yeah, i don't want another brighthouse or appbookstore or whatever it is Jun 29 18:49:19 thats a shame Jun 29 18:49:27 ugh Jun 29 18:49:33 can we just Jun 29 18:49:34 ge Jun 29 18:49:35 t Jun 29 18:49:38 get rid of brighthouse and appbookstore Jun 29 18:49:44 torchie; you in florida too? Jun 29 18:49:46 they're killing the catalog Jun 29 18:49:50 discombobulate yeah Jun 29 18:50:03 north lauderdale Jun 29 18:50:04 smooth Jun 29 18:50:16 ah, north south florida! Jun 29 18:50:19 lol Jun 29 18:50:31 I've been wanting to take the tri rail down to miami Jun 29 18:50:47 but nobody wants to come with because apparently miami is scaaaaary gangsta land Jun 29 18:50:52 heya Jun 29 18:50:57 hah Jun 29 18:51:02 oh it's very scary down here Jun 29 18:51:05 hi swisstomcat Jun 29 18:51:15 hi sugardave Jun 29 18:51:18 hi swisstomcat Jun 29 18:51:27 hi discombobulate Jun 29 18:51:31 I mean one time me and some bros were trying to go to a party and then we got a call saying there was a driveby or something Jun 29 18:51:37 but no biggie Jun 29 18:51:42 nooooooo biggie Jun 29 18:52:00 pie Jun 29 18:52:03 I gots monies Jun 29 18:52:17 that happens everywhere :) Jun 29 18:52:19 hey swisstomcat Jun 29 18:52:25 hi hattczech Jun 29 18:52:34 did all the tweeting about txt group help? Jun 29 18:52:40 would you mind retweeting about my app? :) trying to get to 221 (at 223 right now) Jun 29 18:53:01 it's helped a bit, but i still need a bit more Jun 29 18:53:06 too many cards is seriously unsettling stuff Jun 29 18:53:18 use uberkernel Jun 29 18:53:21 no more TMCs Jun 29 18:53:26 at least i had none Jun 29 18:53:26 hi swisstomcat Jun 29 18:53:27 no cards open, start this game, and then it just doesn' topen Jun 29 18:53:30 hi metaview Jun 29 18:53:37 I'm on uberkernel still getting TMC with no cards open Jun 29 18:53:48 really? latest one? Jun 29 18:53:52 I'm on 32MB compcache though Jun 29 18:54:01 i'm on 48mb compcache :) Jun 29 18:54:02 the internals guys were like DON'T DO 128 Jun 29 18:54:26 * sugardave leaves his phone stock for the retro-ness. Jun 29 18:54:34 but when there's a memory leak, is enabling swap on flash memory really the right thing to do Jun 29 18:54:48 WOAWOAWOA Jun 29 18:54:51 Hulu plus? Jun 29 18:55:03 no more app submission fees Jun 29 18:55:06 wow Jun 29 18:55:15 yeah Jun 29 18:55:34 now i don't have to dispute like sugardave suggested Jun 29 18:55:46 nice, huh? :) Jun 29 18:56:00 heh Jun 29 18:56:11 anyone triedmy UberAppCat? Jun 29 18:56:43 not i Jun 29 18:56:44 seems I've added a bug, the first search will bring nothing because of broken initial pref values... Jun 29 18:56:53 I did the first day, didn't work too well, then I tried the other night and at least things loaded, but I have been too busy to look for new stuff to put on my phone Jun 29 18:57:22 I tried uberappcat Jun 29 18:57:29 hey so Jun 29 18:57:33 yeah i've been busy pretending to be busy too Jun 29 18:57:36 it's more work that way Jun 29 18:57:40 well, for the new stuff, I need to parsew the update feeds, somethign for the todo list Jun 29 18:57:59 "You phone is up to date." Bummer Jun 29 18:58:04 it looks like webOS apps get localStorage, but it gets cleared when app is quit? Jun 29 18:58:08 is there a "sort by highest rating, then sort by highest number of reviews" Jun 29 18:58:15 anyone using webStorage? Jun 29 18:58:16 because that's what would be perfect Jun 29 18:58:27 thynctank: I use sqlite for storage Jun 29 18:58:35 sure and I can use that fine Jun 29 18:58:47 I'm not sure what webStorage is Jun 29 18:58:52 was just trying to tinker w/ it and it's weird that it's not persistant Jun 29 18:58:58 torchie: no, not yet, no sorting at all atm, just random from the result set Jun 29 18:59:08 looks like Palm just dropped the $50 app submission fee Jun 29 18:59:10 sugardave: http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/ Jun 29 18:59:15 that was bummin me out from releasing my app Jun 29 18:59:16 thynctank: thanks Jun 29 18:59:30 sugardave: simple key/val string store Jun 29 18:59:43 handy for simple things, and synchronous too which is nice for simplicity Jun 29 18:59:48 hemna: way to go Jun 29 18:59:59 wow we are getting back our app submission fees Jun 29 19:00:07 yeah, that's the crazy part Jun 29 19:00:13 yeah I caught something about that Jun 29 19:00:22 still haven't really read details Jun 29 19:00:34 yeah just got the newsletter Jun 29 19:00:39 is that all fees waived going forward? Just program entry costs money? Jun 29 19:00:45 like one yearly fee Jun 29 19:00:49 thynctank: interesting...might be a bug in the implementation? see if you can get some answers at the dev forum Jun 29 19:01:19 sugardave: was hoping for some immediate feedback, just wasting time at work, but I probably will later Jun 29 19:01:24 thanks Jun 29 19:01:32 you're on the bleeding edge, I guess ;) Jun 29 19:01:40 so from now all all submissions are free? Jun 29 19:01:50 yeah, apparently Jun 29 19:01:51 sounds like Jun 29 19:02:01 and paid money comes back Jun 29 19:02:07 yeah awesome, Jun 29 19:02:10 dang Jun 29 19:02:12 And we have one more program change that will benefit all developers. When we launched the developer program, we introduced a $50 per app fee to submit apps into our catalog. Effective immediately, we're waiving this fee and refunding to all developers any $50 fees collected in the past Jun 29 19:02:16 I want my $5 back from when I got my dev account Jun 29 19:02:16 no more waiting for the 70sales to reach break even :D Jun 29 19:02:22 lol Jun 29 19:02:23 I WANT MY $5!! Jun 29 19:02:29 me too, cry :) Jun 29 19:02:30 next couple of months are gonna be crazy Jun 29 19:02:37 ok, need to go prepare for the potential hurricane Jun 29 19:02:40 * haeffb-pre wishes i'd paid fees... Jun 29 19:02:45 LoneStar99: good luck! Jun 29 19:02:46 #unwiredben: We're allowed to change our mind based on evidence. To many devs, the $50 catalog fee has been a disincentive. Jun 29 19:02:47 i paid $100 Jun 29 19:03:06 let's hope there won't be too many crap apps Jun 29 19:03:07 swisstomcat, agreed Jun 29 19:03:13 crapps Jun 29 19:03:18 maybe they should just moderate it Jun 29 19:03:22 why? Jun 29 19:03:24 there will be many crap apps Jun 29 19:03:25 be like "hey this app sucks, no entry" Jun 29 19:03:29 or maybe Jun 29 19:03:33 SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST Jun 29 19:03:34 torchie: that's a mighty slippery slope Jun 29 19:03:37 but the number is what counts Jun 29 19:03:39 let the market sort it out .. but the catalog has to be fixed for that Jun 29 19:03:41 anything under 2 star rating gets deleted Jun 29 19:03:41 not the quality Jun 29 19:03:50 200k iphone apps Jun 29 19:03:54 eg. one 5 star review shouldn't put the app into "popular apps" Jun 29 19:03:58 50% are craplets Jun 29 19:03:59 ugh yeah Jun 29 19:04:00 I hate that Jun 29 19:04:07 swisstomcat: yeah forsure the app catalog algorithims are off Jun 29 19:04:21 sort by rating and then sort that by number of ratings Jun 29 19:04:25 alright back later, folks Jun 29 19:04:29 btw, I still think there is some randomness in the stars Jun 29 19:04:35 and then bam, apps that a lot of people think are awesome are at the top Jun 29 19:04:45 you don't believe in determinism, then? Jun 29 19:04:47 torchie: will add it into UberAppCat Jun 29 19:05:03 :D! Jun 29 19:05:06 sugardave: have you seens the apps with 5 stars and no review? Jun 29 19:05:15 Ok chat later folks, the damn water is coming this way! Jun 29 19:05:16 strangely if you sort by price Jun 29 19:05:17 no, but I know the issue Jun 29 19:05:17 yeah, those are strange Jun 29 19:05:22 I was thinking of doing a Beta for my app and limiting the features...and having the app get disabled after a few weeks. Jun 29 19:05:25 and my stars also go up and down, without new reviews Jun 29 19:05:26 know of Jun 29 19:05:27 good luck, lonestar99 Jun 29 19:05:33 you get a lot of free high rated/popular apps at the top Jun 29 19:05:36 stay safe Jun 29 19:05:39 LoneStar99: where are you, again? Jun 29 19:05:41 things with like 1200 4.5 star reviews Jun 29 19:05:43 texas Jun 29 19:05:48 afaik Jun 29 19:05:50 swisstomcat: TX is large Jun 29 19:05:54 heh :) Jun 29 19:05:57 downright huge Jun 29 19:05:59 tell me something new Jun 29 19:05:59 swisstomcat: thanks, need to go save my freshly planted wine vines Jun 29 19:06:06 South Texas Jun 29 19:06:14 LoneStar99: for some reason I thought you were central Jun 29 19:06:18 let's hope not galveston island Jun 29 19:06:19 in the valley, then? Jun 29 19:06:21 http://www.stormpulse.com/ Jun 29 19:06:23 yeah Jun 29 19:06:24 vally Jun 29 19:06:29 good luck Jun 29 19:06:54 valley for atleast till end of summer, then my go back to cali Jun 29 19:07:34 bitch is going to tweet that her friend needs a webOS dev, says to DM her (which I can't do, since she doesn't follow me) and then apparently doesn't read her @ tweets Jun 29 19:07:44 oh well Jun 29 19:08:05 thanks, will be on laters, Jun 29 19:09:35 Yay, almost 10,000 users on the new checkers Jun 29 19:09:59 come on...rain dammit! Jun 29 19:12:08 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/icon.png Jun 29 19:12:48 Yodel Jun 29 19:13:01 CTLAdvance! Jun 29 19:13:14 Kesne Jun 29 19:13:18 :D Jun 29 19:13:29 Hows it going Jun 29 19:13:32 oh, this means I don't need to have emergency app submission money sitting in PayPal Jun 29 19:13:35 bonus Jun 29 19:13:37 Long time no app Jun 29 19:13:44 Yeah sug I agree Jun 29 19:14:11 I guess I can come back to developing again Jun 29 19:14:23 that $50 was keeping you away? :P Jun 29 19:14:24 This also means that I can submit a trial and a full version Jun 29 19:14:39 not really... not if I had something good Jun 29 19:15:08 yeah, this means I can float all of my "interesting but not great" apps Jun 29 19:15:15 yeah Jun 29 19:15:22 now, if I only had some.... Jun 29 19:15:44 I have 67 completed bobble head apps that i didnt submit yet Jun 29 19:15:51 now this weekend, they get entered Jun 29 19:15:51 Haha Jun 29 19:15:52 Really? Jun 29 19:15:55 yes Jun 29 19:15:59 Free or paid? Jun 29 19:16:07 but when I launched barack o bobble intop the catalog Jun 29 19:16:10 no one bought it Jun 29 19:16:16 :P Jun 29 19:16:20 Hehe Jun 29 19:16:21 I have a "fans" app for every basketball team Jun 29 19:16:28 Nice Jun 29 19:16:29 PLEASE do us a favor and only submit 1-2 a day, or we will have to hunt you down and kill you Jun 29 19:16:32 just like bright house Jun 29 19:16:34 word Jun 29 19:16:40 I'm gonna be the next brighthouse Jun 29 19:16:47 well surpass apple in oh... 2 years instead of 8 Jun 29 19:16:48 Yeah Jun 29 19:16:56 heh Jun 29 19:16:57 * sugardave adds torchie to the list. Jun 29 19:16:59 I've actually seen music equivalents of brighthouse in the catalog I think Jun 29 19:17:09 Whats with the book apps Jun 29 19:17:10 brb Jun 29 19:17:15 * CTLAdvance going to get coffee Jun 29 19:17:29 like seriously, an app to listen to liberace music? Jun 29 19:17:48 i bet there's demand for that Jun 29 19:18:03 just like the demand for a pride and prejudice app Jun 29 19:18:30 exactly Jun 29 19:18:46 is there a way to see all the apps from a certain developer in the catalog? Jun 29 19:18:58 "Songs that have 3 chords." Jun 29 19:19:05 "Songs that have 4 chords." Jun 29 19:19:08 etc Jun 29 19:19:17 soon there'll be apps for dates Jun 29 19:19:27 "countdown to december 15th" Jun 29 19:19:39 what happens december 15th? who cares, let's make an app for it Jun 29 19:19:44 Someone's birthday Jun 29 19:19:56 count down FROM someone's birthday Jun 29 19:20:03 it's been 12 days since jack's birthday! Jun 29 19:20:08 Lol Jun 29 19:20:15 count downs to something always end Jun 29 19:20:22 count downs from never will! it's like endless fun! Jun 29 19:20:29 Heh Jun 29 19:20:30 I am making an I Farted app that tweets that you farted and a scale of 1 - 10 Jun 29 19:20:37 haha nice Jun 29 19:20:39 then well do it for belches, burps Jun 29 19:20:48 days since I last took a shower etc Jun 29 19:20:55 * CTLAdvance kidding Jun 29 19:20:59 "Look what I just threw up!" Jun 29 19:20:59 aww. Jun 29 19:21:01 I'd buy that Jun 29 19:21:04 DUDE THAT'S A GOOD IDEA Jun 29 19:21:09 but we don't have access to camera APIs do we Jun 29 19:21:16 no....yet Jun 29 19:21:22 wait Jun 29 19:21:26 it might be in, not sure Jun 29 19:21:33 one has to make the picture and your app tweets it Jun 29 19:21:38 yeah Jun 29 19:21:44 or better yet, it posts it to all social networks Jun 29 19:21:51 would be great Jun 29 19:22:08 yeah Jun 29 19:22:13 think: an app that supports all social network protocols and services -- except it's only good for posting what you just shat Jun 29 19:22:14 and you will still find someone who goes to download it Jun 29 19:22:37 Anyone here ever used Ares? Jun 29 19:22:40 MS, FB, Live, twitter, GM, and sends messages to all google voice, live, gmail and phone contacts Jun 29 19:22:45 tried it ones Jun 29 19:22:54 Are you good with it? Jun 29 19:23:04 hah, I could see the notification on Xbox live now Jun 29 19:23:11 a fart-phoner, phone yuor friends on a random base and sends a fart noise Jun 29 19:23:17 "lordharkan123 just farted" Jun 29 19:23:23 twbbas: no Jun 29 19:23:23 haha Jun 29 19:23:26 horrible Jun 29 19:23:27 right in the middle of call of duty Jun 29 19:23:38 Lol "and it was a level 7" Jun 29 19:23:48 level 7 fart! 200 achievement points! Jun 29 19:24:07 thats' somhow cool, with a worldwide leader board Jun 29 19:24:14 twbbas: i've used it for one project Jun 29 19:24:17 it would be cool to get PlayStation Network messaging to work somehow...but I don't think they have an external service Jun 29 19:24:18 we might be on to something. Jun 29 19:24:36 we could totally blow iphone's fart apps out of the water Jun 29 19:24:48 FTW Jun 29 19:24:54 when was the announcement that the july contest would be PDK only? Jun 29 19:25:09 I remember hearing about it, but not sure where Jun 29 19:25:10 swisstomcat: I'm very knew to webos programming and I'm using Ares. I found how to edit the divs for lists but I can't seem to figure out how to make a row have two lines in Ares. Jun 29 19:25:33 wow Jun 29 19:25:35 emmettlollis: from the beginning ... http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2085 Jun 29 19:25:36 I spelled new wrong Jun 29 19:25:43 thanks Jun 29 19:26:11 gnu new knew Jun 29 19:26:26 =\ My excuse is that I was up late last night :D Jun 29 19:26:29 i was thinking it was the same rules for july... i guess i shoulda used the pdk Jun 29 19:28:08 what's the state of pdk ui elements integration / hybrid apps? Jun 29 19:28:41 Is there even an api for ui elements Jun 29 19:28:45 on pdk Jun 29 19:28:49 so, I actually have a prtty good cross-platform app idea, but I'm afraifd I'm not going to be able to handle the largeness of it myself....anybody got any tips on writing NDAs and such? Jun 29 19:29:25 bsiegel: I think 1.4.5 is supposed to be hybridized apps..but I may be confusing that with the 'fall update' Jun 29 19:29:38 CTLAdvance: There aren't. Palm's thinking is to just create a hybrid app if you need any complex ui elements. Jun 29 19:29:56 what about complex components! Jun 29 19:29:58 but the contest is not about hybriod, is PDK only Jun 29 19:30:04 yeah Jun 29 19:30:08 you can always use SDL for UI Jun 29 19:30:15 hmm Jun 29 19:30:16 I will go this way Jun 29 19:30:26 ill have to find some documents on it Jun 29 19:30:46 there are some ui libraries for SDL Jun 29 19:30:48 MetaView: In the PDK you can't draw SDL and OpenGL together, so your whole app would have to be SDL based. Jun 29 19:30:57 so it sounds like "PDK only" a synonym for "games only" Jun 29 19:31:03 I've been hearing about gpu acceleration for the UI Jun 29 19:31:06 unless you want to draw your own non-uniform UI Jun 29 19:31:08 Robdor: that's ok, it's not a game at all Jun 29 19:32:00 I'm not a gfx guy, I'm not good in games, I have one I would like to port, but it's not very important Jun 29 19:32:08 what about libraries Jun 29 19:32:14 boring Jun 29 19:32:16 like using a library written in C? Jun 29 19:32:32 yes, link libs Jun 29 19:32:37 Palm has a really open attitude about libraries. You can use whatever you can compile. Jun 29 19:32:40 It's nice. Jun 29 19:32:41 you can link everything you like Jun 29 19:32:45 really? Jun 29 19:32:48 really Jun 29 19:32:53 since before PDK or since introduction of PDK? Jun 29 19:32:56 * MetaView could port xpdf... Jun 29 19:33:11 * cxreg just discovered that "compcache" is basically just RamDoubler, lol Jun 29 19:33:14 why does $L("this is a test"); give me "This Is A Test" ? Jun 29 19:33:47 hemna: the widget you're putting it in has a style applied to it that defaults to title case? (guessing) Jun 29 19:33:57 torchie: You can even include interpreters in your PDK app, which is really cool. Jun 29 19:34:15 hottt Jun 29 19:34:20 really hot Jun 29 19:34:27 you could even say it makes your apps hot Jun 29 19:34:30 hemna: and/or it's an attribute/model property for said widget Jun 29 19:34:35 transforms them, changes them... into Jun 29 19:34:37 hot apps Jun 29 19:34:51 humm Jun 29 19:34:56 this is a class="title" Jun 29 19:35:06 probably why Jun 29 19:35:08 that would do it Jun 29 19:35:15 duh Jun 29 19:35:17 thanks :) Jun 29 19:35:19 np Jun 29 19:36:29 is there a doc on all the palm styles? Jun 29 19:36:50 heh Jun 29 19:36:53 sure Jun 29 19:36:55 seems to me that you just copy/paste divs for the look/feel, but there is not much documentation on the actual styles Jun 29 19:37:05 it's a spreadsheet that I can't fathom Jun 29 19:37:31 * hemna thinks palm's docs are lacking... Jun 29 19:38:01 hemna: http://developer.palm.com/download/attachments/38731952/palm-mojo-styling-07.xls Jun 29 19:38:07 good luck Jun 29 19:38:52 and the style matters app...I usually poke around in there until I find something I want, then open the code and see what it is Jun 29 19:41:49 man, all these labyrinth games on this super powerful system and none of them compare to kirby tilt n tumble Jun 29 19:41:56 I think I know what I must do Jun 29 19:42:01 hmmm, i really want @palm to retweet about my app update Jun 29 19:43:06 wow... fastest update yet... (content only) less than a day Jun 29 19:47:57 heh, I took the "general javascript skills" test after only knowing Mojo and still managed to score in the top 30% Jun 29 19:48:16 hi chuqui Jun 29 19:48:18 test? Jun 29 19:48:22 what test? Jun 29 19:48:27 at elance Jun 29 19:48:29 hey Jun 29 19:48:35 hi chuqui Jun 29 19:48:45 good news from palm today Jun 29 19:48:54 * sugardave is testing the waters as a hired gun. Jun 29 19:49:16 Most folks like the announcement. been working on that one for a bit. Jun 29 19:50:00 chuqui: I was all excited to get refunded for 3 app submissions. Then, I remembered that I didn't pay :D Jun 29 19:50:13 oops Jun 29 19:51:11 heh thanks sugardave Jun 29 19:51:23 np Jun 29 19:51:55 gray clouds all around...no rain Jun 29 19:52:23 chuqu: not worried about more app "spam"? or is this something the free market has to deal with? Jun 29 19:53:47 chuqui: not worried about more app "spam"? or is this something the free market has to deal with? Jun 29 19:55:39 I am more worried that the fee was keeping out niche apps and preventing developers from doing "free trial" demos than I am that it'll encourage weaker apps. it'll encourage more and better apps, too, and help devs sell apps via free trials. Jun 29 19:55:46 * sugardave points and laughs at funkatron. Jun 29 19:56:40 chuqui: very good point on the trial apps and the niche apps (have a niche app myself in beta) Jun 29 19:56:47 badonk? Jun 29 19:57:11 funkatron: were you joking about the "is there an irc client for webOS" tweet earlier? Jun 29 19:57:21 lol Jun 29 19:57:47 was I joking? no. Jun 29 19:58:06 okay, well I answered you :P Jun 29 19:58:17 wirc ftw Jun 29 19:58:22 and I'm sure I wasn't the only one Jun 29 19:58:55 tomorrow is the last day of palm as an independent company Jun 29 19:59:13 I got a few answers, yes. I was hoping for something I could install OTA, but this will do okay Jun 29 19:59:19 (I'm not on it atm) Jun 29 19:59:26 wirc is ota from preware Jun 29 19:59:36 heh Jun 29 20:00:10 though we're rewriting it as a hybrid instead of custom service Jun 29 20:00:16 to hopefully get it into the catalog Jun 29 20:00:23 that will be awesome Jun 29 20:00:35 forgive me; I've never actually had a webOS phone I used day to day, so I'm not at all familiar with Preware Jun 29 20:00:53 funkatron: I'm just messing with you Jun 29 20:00:58 looked in the app catalog and didn't see anything, so if there's an OTA method, I am not yet aware of it Jun 29 20:01:11 preware is an ota homebrew installer Jun 29 20:01:19 you have to put preware on with the quickinstaller Jun 29 20:01:25 and then you're good to go Jun 29 20:01:26 okay, so can I install preware OTA? Jun 29 20:01:26 or palm0install Jun 29 20:01:29 palm-install* Jun 29 20:01:31 or with some command-line magic Jun 29 20:01:40 no, you need a machine to install preware Jun 29 20:01:44 ahhh Jun 29 20:01:49 hence, my confusion Jun 29 20:01:50 unless you have command line access Jun 29 20:01:54 you can run the bootstrap script Jun 29 20:02:02 without needing a pc Jun 29 20:02:05 right Jun 29 20:02:15 Hey it's funkatron! Jun 29 20:02:20 hey it's me Jun 29 20:02:22 8) Jun 29 20:02:28 of spaz fame? Jun 29 20:02:39 I think "fame" is a stretch, but sure Jun 29 20:02:40 the one and only Jun 29 20:02:49 He's my hero Jun 29 20:02:54 lol Jun 29 20:02:56 i've used spaz for a while Jun 29 20:03:03 I'd like to apologize for that, kesne Jun 29 20:03:09 I've been using it for a few days Jun 29 20:03:11 I'm glad to hear that, swisstomcat Jun 29 20:03:22 I don't like the way you have to switch accounts Jun 29 20:03:23 so you guys are gonna help hack on it, yes? Jun 29 20:03:24 8) Jun 29 20:03:31 but then i switched to TweetMe :) Jun 29 20:03:35 kesne: have you proposed a different method? Jun 29 20:03:49 Not yet Jun 29 20:03:50 swisstomcat: okay. Jun 29 20:04:08 I wish it worked more like Tweetdeck Jun 29 20:04:19 * sugardave watches it get darker outside. "Come on...." Jun 29 20:04:25 Or maybe a button in the top Jun 29 20:04:28 I don't use Tweetdeck, so I don't know what that's like. Jun 29 20:04:33 sugardave: waiting for rain? Jun 29 20:04:36 yes Jun 29 20:04:45 sugardave: why? Jun 29 20:04:46 funkatron: would i be able to get you to retweet about my app? :) Jun 29 20:04:51 bbl Jun 29 20:04:55 i'm trying to push for the top 221 (only 2 away) Jun 29 20:04:55 kesne: because my lawns are brown and crispy Jun 29 20:05:02 sugardave: waiting for a watch? Jun 29 20:05:02 and I don't like to pay to water them Jun 29 20:05:12 haeffb-pre: I am, in fact Jun 29 20:05:17 HattCzech_work: ummm. maybe? Jun 29 20:05:34 will arrive via usps sometime in the future... Jun 29 20:05:38 TXT Group, free group texting app with quick text Jun 29 20:05:47 ah, is it FOSS? Jun 29 20:05:58 haeffb-pre: cool, thanks! my wife is going to wonder about it when I start sporting my new Dr. Pepper watch Jun 29 20:06:08 I'm going to tell her that my girlfriend sent it to me Jun 29 20:06:27 hahah Jun 29 20:06:41 * oil would tweet HattCzech_work's app buti dont have a twitter account, haha Jun 29 20:06:44 funkatron: i haven't put the source up anywhere, but i plan to in the near future Jun 29 20:06:56 * HattCzech_work thanks oil anyway Jun 29 20:06:58 cool. if you do, I'd certainly post something about it Jun 29 20:07:00 lol Jun 29 20:07:23 wirc is open source :) Jun 29 20:07:31 hahaha Jun 29 20:07:34 HattCzech_work: still promoting your app? Jun 29 20:07:48 MetaView: trying Jun 29 20:07:50 I'm glad to hear it Jun 29 20:07:57 just need those last couple hundred downloads Jun 29 20:08:02 funkatron: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/wIRC Jun 29 20:08:16 funkatron: the source of Spaz, can I download it? Jun 29 20:08:18 funkatron: so i need to throw the source up somewhere? Jun 29 20:08:26 MetaView: yes, on github Jun 29 20:08:50 HattCzech_work: typically to be considered "open source" you do have to make the source available, yes Jun 29 20:09:06 heh Jun 29 20:09:20 heheh, i was wondering more about the twitter mention Jun 29 20:09:23 how are changes from other handled? Jun 29 20:09:23 it's already available in the app :D Jun 29 20:09:28 HattCzech_work: and using git/svn/etc is nice for keeping track of changes Jun 29 20:09:31 I would have some ideas to add Jun 29 20:09:34 and undoing stuff when you break it and dont know how Jun 29 20:09:37 apps come with the source on webos :) Jun 29 20:09:54 HattCzech_work:typically I would only mention something I use and like. I am really, really leeeeery of getting into tit-for-tat pr favors. Jun 29 20:10:22 if it's open source and has useful things one can learn from the code, that would be something I'd probably talk about too Jun 29 20:10:33 would you mind downloading it to see if you like it? :) Jun 29 20:10:46 lol Jun 29 20:10:53 oil: yeah, i planned to do that Jun 29 20:10:55 * haeffb-pre tweeted, but my only followers are in here already... :) Jun 29 20:11:02 my source control consists of copy+paste+rename :) Jun 29 20:11:06 HattCzech_work: I very rarely SMS and I think I once, in the last 3 years, sent an SMS to more than one person, so I'm not really your target audience Jun 29 20:11:23 funkatron: fair enough Jun 29 20:11:28 haeffb-pre: thanks Jun 29 20:11:51 HattCzech_work: I'd be interested in looking at the source if you push it up someplace ,though Jun 29 20:12:07 * oil has a feeling HattCzech_work is a sms spammer Jun 29 20:12:16 sugardave: great, so long as we don't really have to make out... Jun 29 20:12:18 funkatron: how would you handle additions to spaz from me? Jun 29 20:12:19 oil: hahaha, surprisingly, no Jun 29 20:12:23 Interested in the nick completion in wIRC. I have to take a look at that. Jun 29 20:12:34 i'm like funkatron... haven't sent an sms to multiple people in years Jun 29 20:12:51 MetaView: http://help.getspaz.com/faqs/general-25/contribute Jun 29 20:12:54 funkatron: there is actually a bug in that i have yet to track down, haha Jun 29 20:13:05 funkatron: now that you mention it_ I'm interested too... Jun 29 20:13:28 oil: I've avoided nick completion in Spaz because of perf issues, but I wonder if your approach is a better one Jun 29 20:13:51 egaudet wrote it, it seems to work pretty good Jun 29 20:13:58 MetaView: if you have more specific questions about stuff, please ask. I am not sure what you mean by how I'd "handle" them, though. Jun 29 20:14:07 though you have to get used to grabbing gesture with your right hand to press orange with your left Jun 29 20:14:37 MetaView: source is all on github. Fork, patch, etc. It helps if you talk to me about what you want to do, and I can say "oh, you should talk to this guy who is also working on it," or "that's a great idea, run with it" etc Jun 29 20:15:17 I like the idea of triggering the auto-complete attempt. on Spaz Desktop it is always trying to auto-complete, and that can cause perf issues Jun 29 20:15:32 there's a timeout so it only triggers if you stop typing for 1s or so, but still Jun 29 20:15:45 maybe if you just allowed a tab to auto-complete that would work better Jun 29 20:15:53 oil: it took me forever to realize that it took a gesture tap. couldn't figure out why it only worked "sometimes" Jun 29 20:16:09 and ther eis a bug where it thinks gesture is always hield Jun 29 20:16:10 funkatron: 1) white background, 2) buttons for tweet or page up/down, 3) xauth 4) proxy support 5) different twitter-server (instead of twitter.com) Jun 29 20:16:17 and pressing a, q, or orange will get funky Jun 29 20:16:30 MetaView: 5 has been supported since day 1 Jun 29 20:16:46 MetaView: 3 is being worked on now, but is in danger of not happening if people don't help Jun 29 20:16:48 really? haven't seen it, ok Jun 29 20:17:06 MetaView: when you add an account, there is a dropdown for account type Jun 29 20:17:18 but account type is twitter Jun 29 20:17:25 just the server has a different name Jun 29 20:17:36 is for china with blocked twitter.com Jun 29 20:17:49 ive only seen it a few times and haven't figured out a reproducible test case Jun 29 20:17:52 they use own proxy servers on google Jun 29 20:17:55 MetaView: did you try "custom?" Jun 29 20:18:00 nope Jun 29 20:18:16 * oil goes back to work Jun 29 20:18:27 and can spaz download all tweets since the last tweet? Jun 29 20:18:39 MetaView: other ideas are interesting. It's much more likely to happen if people are willing to put in the time Jun 29 20:18:52 last time I tried it it only download the first time, after this it always hangs on downloading tweets Jun 29 20:18:58 MetaView: within the limits of the API, it will. Jun 29 20:19:22 MetaView: Since I don't know when the last time was, or what may have been happening at the time, I cannot advise you on what the problem may have benn Jun 29 20:19:26 funkatron: yes, I know the API, but you could go further then 200 posts if you call it several times Jun 29 20:19:27 been even Jun 29 20:19:44 last time is 2 weeks old Jun 29 20:19:52 approximately Jun 29 20:19:58 and it was the version from appcat Jun 29 20:20:01 MetaView: and you can exceed the # of reqs per hour if you call it several times too. If that's a feature you'd like to see, I'd suggest submitting a patch Jun 29 20:20:12 funkatron: I'm glad to spend some time on it Jun 29 20:20:23 will, do Jun 29 20:20:26 MetaView: awesome! Jun 29 20:20:37 MetaView: I just found UberAppCat in UberAppCat Jun 29 20:20:44 well, when I not look into twitter for one day I might miss some tweets Jun 29 20:20:58 oh, UberAppCat in UberAppCat is it a recurssion? Jun 29 20:21:10 I don't know what will happen, let's see Jun 29 20:21:15 :) Jun 29 20:21:38 MetaView: that is a possibility with Twitter. I often miss Tweets too. Depends on what kind of experience you want; Spaz may not be the best option for any given person Jun 29 20:21:45 it just switched back to the already running one, but that's pretty funny Jun 29 20:22:18 I've been terribly unproductive today. my apologies 8( Jun 29 20:22:20 funkatron: there is no twitter client on webos which will load all tweets since the last one Jun 29 20:22:39 MetaView: that's because it's honestly kind of an edge case Jun 29 20:22:46 sugardave: you could try to block me :) Jun 29 20:22:53 haha Jun 29 20:22:55 tap the icon and select block dev Jun 29 20:23:14 but you will not get away of the two entries on top and bottom Jun 29 20:23:47 * MetaView puts the spaz page to the other open firefox tabs Jun 29 20:24:08 MetaView: but, I can see the merit in it. perhaps a special action where the user initiates a "pull everything since ID XXX" Jun 29 20:25:08 * sugardave listens to his work laptop "silently" install some patch or monitoring software. Jun 29 20:25:33 where is the ambient light sensor located Jun 29 20:25:37 on the pre Jun 29 20:26:38 looks like right by the speaker Jun 29 20:27:05 trying to see the behavior of this thing Jun 29 20:27:35 so when it's dark the screen gets less bright? Jun 29 20:28:10 not sure, I only know that it shuts off the screen when you're making a call that you hold to your face Jun 29 20:28:18 yeah that's always cool Jun 29 20:28:25 I tend to dick around with that feature during calls lol Jun 29 20:28:30 heh Jun 29 20:29:11 I'm going to go outside and see if I can make it rain (i.e. smoke a cigarette) Jun 29 20:30:47 good evening BigBiff Jun 29 20:31:01 good evening Jun 29 20:31:52 sounds like a plan dave, i may go do that myself Jun 29 20:32:56 http://tinyurl.com/36pbf4c Jun 29 20:33:12 chuqui: see above link... Jun 29 20:34:17 hey, is the Mojo.Animation stuff hardware accelerated at all? or otherwise more performant than, say, jQuery would be? Jun 29 20:37:08 not yet hardware accelerated, but that feature is coming (summer/fall update) Jun 29 20:38:49 http://getspaz.com/spaz-webos/source not found Jun 29 20:39:21 go to open source, click on Spaz webOS™ project home at GitHub Jun 29 20:39:44 The requested URL /spaz-webos/source was not found on this server. Jun 29 20:40:05 oops. would you file that bug at help.getspaz.com? Jun 29 20:40:12 ok Jun 29 20:40:31 actually nm, it's just a web site fix Jun 29 20:40:57 you can see how many people actually check that Jun 29 20:42:49 soo.. i got the email im sure you all got.. im confused as to what palm's definition of 'Effective Immediatly' is.. cause trying to bring my app from the web catalog to the app catalog its still asking me for money .. ;P Jun 29 20:45:02 dawm: they didn't mean you..just the rest of us. Jun 29 20:46:51 grr Jun 29 20:46:59 ;p Jun 29 20:47:46 oooo, there's a little rain Jun 29 20:49:40 weeeee Jun 29 20:49:44 new/old project! Jun 29 20:52:59 oh dammit... Its not in git Jun 29 20:54:57 man. they really don't make handling dashboard notifications easy do they? Jun 29 20:55:47 what's difficult about it? Jun 29 20:56:33 it just seems way more complicated than I expected Jun 29 20:56:41 have you done it? Jun 29 20:57:06 not the banner part, but the dashboard notification, where you can tap and return to the application, etc Jun 29 20:57:20 MetaView: I think that should be ficed up now Jun 29 20:57:45 fixed even Jun 29 20:57:47 yes, have Done! it... Jun 29 20:57:54 heh Jun 29 20:58:07 sugardave: where do you live? Jun 29 20:58:21 i have it displayed, and all's well there, but i'm not sure how to get my onclick's working Jun 29 20:58:24 UberCalendar patch update released Jun 29 20:58:54 just listen for tap on divs Jun 29 20:59:06 & take whatever action Jun 29 20:59:17 look at haeffb on github Jun 29 20:59:53 myles & done both there Jun 29 20:59:54 ok, well i have the tap, and i'm closing the dashboard window. but i want it to go back to my app if they're in another app when they tap it Jun 29 21:00:21 relaunch your app Jun 29 21:00:42 gitorious or github? :/ Jun 29 21:00:43 and, as far as the docs say for that, i have to have an app assistant, and relaunch the app with some weird stuff, and then maybe... voodoo Jun 29 21:01:30 oh, yes yoi have to have the voodoo! Jun 29 21:01:35 github Jun 29 21:02:47 but webos-internals is on gitorious Jun 29 21:02:58 yet another account to create Jun 29 21:03:07 funkatron: btw, why spaz? Jun 29 21:03:25 are you German? Jun 29 21:03:39 MetaView: no. I was going for the american slang interpretation Jun 29 21:03:56 I hate all these Twitter apps named after birds, dammit Jun 29 21:04:31 Spaz it's a bird :) Jun 29 21:04:39 in german, yes Jun 29 21:04:41 8) Jun 29 21:04:47 I'm not German ;) Jun 29 21:04:54 yes, and the desktop you could call "Sperling" Jun 29 21:06:27 hahah Jun 29 21:06:52 but yeah, I was going for the American "Spaz," which is something of a nerd/hyperactive fellow Jun 29 21:07:22 ok Jun 29 21:07:52 I also was not going for the British "Spaz," which is an epithet towards people with cerberal palsy Jun 29 21:10:18 so if porting an iphone app is so easy, should i just pick up some iphone game books, and then port it? Jun 29 21:11:20 yes Jun 29 21:12:20 MetaView: I made all the changes you said to! Jun 29 21:12:21 Heh Jun 29 21:12:28 cool, thx :) Jun 29 21:12:30 Removing that flash removed almost all the lag Jun 29 21:12:35 worked on the lag in the controls? Jun 29 21:12:43 great Jun 29 21:12:46 send it to me? Jun 29 21:12:51 I will in a few Jun 29 21:13:00 What do you think about the graphics Jun 29 21:15:46 the black hole could be more visible, and you could have 2 or more to make it even more difficult Jun 29 21:16:05 anyone have any GOOD ideas to get me another 500ish new downloads? Jun 29 21:16:13 (my twitter spam does not appear to be working) Jun 29 21:16:18 funkatron: the timeline in spaz could really be fixed when I update Jun 29 21:16:40 kesne: I live in Austin, TX Jun 29 21:16:40 at the moment it stil jumps away from where I am atm Jun 29 21:17:07 MetaView: I need to run, but please elaborate. I'm sure it could use some help. If you want a lighthouse acocunt (spaz.lighthouseapp.com), email me at coj@funkatron.com Jun 29 21:17:14 bbl Jun 29 21:17:32 HattCzech_work: 500 dls in 40 hours? just 12 dls per hour: download, remove, download, remove... Jun 29 21:17:52 it's not unique downloads?! Jun 29 21:17:58 wtf, I'm an idiot Jun 29 21:18:00 don't know Jun 29 21:18:25 It's unique folks Jun 29 21:18:40 HattCzech_work: did precentral tweet about it Jun 29 21:18:59 MetaView: if you want me to add 2 black holes, you're going to see a lot more lag Jun 29 21:19:07 HattCzech_work: this is the group text app, right? Jun 29 21:19:18 All of the lag comes from the constant checking to see if it ate a planet or black hole Jun 29 21:19:29 DOM or canvas? Jun 29 21:19:36 DOM FTW Jun 29 21:19:49 dkirker: yeah Jun 29 21:19:57 still no email Jun 29 21:20:12 do you know Just Pong? Jun 29 21:20:16 2 power blinks Jun 29 21:20:19 ah ah ah Jun 29 21:20:24 is DOM too and has 3 objects on the screen Jun 29 21:20:26 kesne: not that i saw Jun 29 21:20:28 HattCzech_work: Does it do scheduled messages? Jun 29 21:20:47 MetaView: Let me look at it Jun 29 21:21:13 hmmm, no, but that sounds like a feature request to me :) Jun 29 21:21:32 I know that it was a request some people made for a PalmOS app. Jun 29 21:21:40 How do you know it's DOM? Jun 29 21:21:52 dkirker: it integrates with txt manager (homebrew) for custom sms ringtones and vibration Jun 29 21:21:53 it's mine Jun 29 21:22:16 MetaView: oh, heh Jun 29 21:22:17 and eventually much MUCH more ;) Jun 29 21:22:23 scheduled SMS is a feature I even put into 2PlayMe on PalmOS on request Jun 29 21:22:43 maybe that is the app that I am thinking of :) Jun 29 21:22:48 oh :) Jun 29 21:23:24 * MetaView launches VS2008 Jun 29 21:23:33 Well mine has more animation and stuff Jun 29 21:23:40 I have lots of CSS transitions going on Jun 29 21:23:44 Lots of timeouts Jun 29 21:23:51 and 3 objects Jun 29 21:23:55 Adding a 4th == hell Jun 29 21:24:02 whoa... amazon appears to be having issues Jun 29 21:24:04 then you might look on Soccer2010 (but it costs) it has several CSS animations Jun 29 21:24:29 MetaView: I think I could add a second black home Jun 29 21:24:30 *hole Jun 29 21:24:34 but I really don't want to Jun 29 21:24:38 ok Jun 29 21:24:39 It's a whole lot more code Jun 29 21:24:56 just send me the email, I have a meeting tomorrow :D Jun 29 21:24:59 Each hole is about 100+ lines of code. And copy pasta wouldn't work Jun 29 21:25:10 Hehe, alright, I'll send the updated version in just a sec Jun 29 21:25:33 that sounds nasty Jun 29 21:25:36 send it my way too along with that webos book :P Jun 29 21:25:58 Universe.makeBlackHole = function(anything) { return anything / 0;} Jun 29 21:26:10 *BOOM* Jun 29 21:26:18 dawm: Oops Jun 29 21:26:23 I keep forgetting to send those Jun 29 21:26:23 Universe... what about a new version :) Jun 29 21:26:24 Ugh Jun 29 21:26:30 do they still publish the hotapps rankings for non qualifying apps? Jun 29 21:26:40 don't know Jun 29 21:26:41 hrm.. i guess ill have to go buy a itouch & order some more books tomorrow so i can start working on iphone games to port Jun 29 21:26:56 EmmettLollis: yeah Jun 29 21:27:04 MetaView: hehe. I have a new UI sitting around that I want to get up and working. I just haven't had the time. I have my fingers in like 5 projects. But maybe if I spend 30 minutes on it each night? Jun 29 21:27:04 cool Jun 29 21:27:10 well, if you made it on the fast movers or main list, it should Jun 29 21:27:16 Sugardave: That wounldn't work Jun 29 21:27:35 MetaView: What level did you get to? Jun 29 21:27:43 Silly question but what does FW LIB refer to in Style Matters Jun 29 21:27:51 kesne: did you read dave's function Jun 29 21:27:59 dohtem: I've oftern wondered that myself Jun 29 21:28:06 divide anything by 0 Jun 29 21:28:12 framework library is the best I've come up with Jun 29 21:28:44 dawm|laptop: kesne said it won't work :( Jun 29 21:28:48 sugardave: Thanks. I guessed that but even browsing the source on github hasn't helped yet. Thanks though. Jun 29 21:29:00 dawm: yes Jun 29 21:29:03 That's why it won't work Jun 29 21:29:07 lol Jun 29 21:29:09 dohtem: as to what it's actually doing, who knows? Jun 29 21:29:14 thx Jun 29 21:29:16 If I used daves function, the universe would implode Jun 29 21:29:29 is every nick completing in all caps? or is it my client Jun 29 21:29:30 yeah, you want to run that FAR from here Jun 29 21:29:56 its your client Jun 29 21:30:05 I concur Jun 29 21:30:10 +1 Jun 29 21:30:16 uh oh... the Universe is exploding! Jun 29 21:30:18 dkirker: sound familar Jun 29 21:30:19 i dont use this much heh Jun 29 21:30:21 good night everyone Jun 29 21:30:28 night Jun 29 21:30:28 Woo, just beat level 8!!!! Jun 29 21:30:39 night Jun 29 21:30:40 Night person I don't know Jun 29 21:30:47 night swisstomcat Jun 29 21:30:49 lol Jun 29 21:30:51 Where is JenP? Jun 29 21:30:54 good night swisstomcat Jun 29 21:30:55 night swisstomcat Jun 29 21:30:57 California? Jun 29 21:30:58 I need someone to offend Jun 29 21:31:02 offend me Jun 29 21:31:09 Dawm: that's too hard Jun 29 21:31:09 lol Jun 29 21:31:14 PDK generate seems not to generate a PDK only app? Jun 29 21:31:21 Aye Jun 29 21:31:28 It's all that works atm Jun 29 21:32:36 I'm off, g'night Jun 29 21:32:55 good night MetaView Jun 29 21:32:58 Hey everyone! I have dawm's main email! Jun 29 21:33:01 SPAM HIM! :D Jun 29 21:33:07 Night MetaView! Jun 29 21:33:17 don't forget to look here: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/245177-ubercalendar-enhanced-calendar-patch.html Jun 29 21:33:23 lol Jun 29 21:33:36 night MetaView Jun 29 21:33:46 night Jun 29 21:33:53 My desktop has 20 different version of Checkers on it Jun 29 21:34:02 my Temp folder has.... 102 Jun 29 21:34:04 im surprised no one has made a patch for app-specific urls Jun 29 21:34:22 it ran acrossed a file the other day that appeared to be allow it Jun 29 21:34:34 such as twitter:// Jun 29 21:35:32 How do you do it? Jun 29 21:36:00 if you have a paid app how long does it take to get paid by palm? is it delayed a month? Jun 29 21:36:09 net 60 Jun 29 21:36:35 http://media.bestofmicro.com/2/U/252822/original/zAJ0y.jpg Jun 29 21:36:37 lolz Jun 29 21:37:05 kesne: id have to look again but it was in /etc Jun 29 21:37:20 lol Jun 29 21:37:47 dawm: find that for me Jun 29 21:37:51 I will love you forever Jun 29 21:38:20 k lemme boot up the emu Jun 29 21:38:33 Wait, would it be HB only? Jun 29 21:38:51 yeh Jun 29 21:39:01 i dont think palm would release access to that willingly Jun 29 21:39:31 you could totally fubar a device and need to doctor it.. Jun 29 21:39:31 oh Jun 29 21:39:32 Then nvm Jun 29 21:39:39 I think they plan on it Jun 29 21:39:41 say you replaced all the appid's with your own Jun 29 21:39:53 everythign would open your app heh Jun 29 21:40:18 how about everything opens your app and clicks an ad Jun 29 21:40:19 They plan to make a way to allow you set your app as the default for things Jun 29 21:43:07 http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4pfnytHSY1qzug68o1_500.jpg Jun 29 21:43:10 lolol Jun 29 21:43:56 heh Jun 29 21:44:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ELpS3Wc4Q&feature=player_embedded#! Jun 29 21:44:50 lolol Jun 29 21:45:29 hahaha, nice Jun 29 21:45:51 figures.. i cant find it now Jun 29 21:47:46 hey who made the coke rewards app again? Jun 29 21:47:51 me Jun 29 21:47:55 brilliant Jun 29 21:47:56 whats wrong with it Jun 29 21:47:59 oh ok Jun 29 21:48:00 i thank you for making life easier Jun 29 21:48:00 :P Jun 29 21:48:13 funny thing is.. im a hardcore mtndew drinker Jun 29 21:48:14 Dawm: did you release it? Jun 29 21:48:24 yeah its in the web cat as of 2am Jun 29 21:48:25 i found it in the preware Jun 29 21:48:46 Without the fees the webfeed has no use now Jun 29 21:48:50 once palm makes the no fee effective, ill toss it in the normal catalog Jun 29 21:48:52 I hate my friends Jun 29 21:48:56 heh Jun 29 21:49:09 Dawm: it's effective now Jun 29 21:49:10 yeah Jun 29 21:49:16 My friends made me make a music youtube Jun 29 21:49:16 bleh Jun 29 21:49:19 it didn't charge me Jun 29 21:49:45 I hope they introduce market filters soon Jun 29 21:49:49 i found a ruby script that lets you automate code entry, and then i found a yahoo! widget that did the same thing that looked to be the original source, since it knew about the XMLRPC sever Jun 29 21:50:13 so i just 'ported' it and made it look snazzy Jun 29 21:50:20 smooth Jun 29 21:50:41 9570 points and counting Jun 29 21:50:46 i just happened to be in the forums and clicked on a thread for app request Jun 29 21:50:56 and figured.. i could prolly do that Jun 29 21:51:24 ive got 18 points from testing ;p Jun 29 21:51:34 er no Jun 29 21:51:59 24 Jun 29 21:52:10 it's gonna steal my codes and send them to your account huh?! Jun 29 21:52:12 i knew it :D Jun 29 21:52:15 lol no Jun 29 21:52:32 everything is on cokes end, over a secure https Jun 29 21:52:33 Damn: that would have been way funnier Jun 29 21:52:37 ok I posted a demo video of my app. I think I'm going to submit it today finally. Jun 29 21:52:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubo5ajJUYb4 Jun 29 21:52:49 now i gotta log back in to add a review Jun 29 21:53:37 I've been to hollywood, I've been to redwood. Jun 29 21:53:44 whoa. I just now noticed the palm samples on github are BSD licensed. I always thought it was GPL Jun 29 21:54:45 hemna: what did you use to make your demo? Jun 29 21:54:55 xvidcap Jun 29 21:54:58 (linux) Jun 29 21:55:12 ahh Jun 29 21:55:43 heh Jun 29 21:55:44 i havent used linux since um.. 2001 i think Jun 29 21:55:54 you can select a region of the desktop to capture, and just hit record. easy as can be Jun 29 21:56:09 sweet... i had a capture app like that Jun 29 21:56:13 I use Camtasia Studio Jun 29 21:56:13 i need to find it again Jun 29 21:56:25 hemna: looks pretty good Jun 29 21:56:40 thanks :) my first "real" app Jun 29 21:56:55 I have lots of items I'd like to add, but I want to get 1.0 out the door so to speak Jun 29 21:56:58 ill have to mention it to the pilots that come thru work that have pre's Jun 29 21:57:02 i work at DTW ;p Jun 29 21:57:17 hehe cool :) Jun 29 21:57:27 okay... "You must also specify either a Customer Support Phone Number or Email Address."... why can't i remove the phone number? Jun 29 21:57:39 put in an email Jun 29 21:57:43 dooosh Jun 29 21:58:58 i'm going to try to have my app ready by tomorrow Jun 29 21:59:29 do they let you raise/lower prices at will? Jun 29 21:59:48 well kinda Jun 29 21:59:53 has to go thru review Jun 29 21:59:58 just like anything else Jun 29 22:00:08 so takes a day or two? Jun 29 22:00:42 Aye Jun 29 22:01:06 i wonder how much those times will increase with the free submission Jun 29 22:01:14 You should all subscribe to me on youtube Jun 29 22:01:21 preware needs an option to allow you to install an ipk from email.. Jun 29 22:01:29 dawm: +1 Jun 29 22:01:35 You should install that app I sent you Jun 29 22:01:38 only in dev mode of course Jun 29 22:01:41 yeah Jun 29 22:01:48 yeah but i have to get up and go over to the desktop Jun 29 22:01:58 thats where the cord is Jun 29 22:01:59 ;p Jun 29 22:02:22 i guess if i rooted my pre i could do it Jun 29 22:02:38 lololol Jun 29 22:03:25 I'm gonna record something Jun 29 22:06:02 so wirc seems to be working well Jun 29 22:06:59 wow Jun 29 22:07:10 theres alot of hidden options for the browser in /etc/palm/browser.conf Jun 29 22:07:14 like private browsing Jun 29 22:07:39 or disable javascript (altho that could be really bad) Jun 29 22:08:47 oooh Jun 29 22:08:54 launchAtBoot Jun 29 22:08:57 dawm|laptop: i did put in an e-mail and phone... but i can't seem to remove the phone Jun 29 22:09:16 HattCzech_work: let chuq know or check the forums to see if your the only one Jun 29 22:09:29 chuqui: you here? Jun 29 22:09:45 AppsToAllowInLowMemory Jun 29 22:10:00 phone,contacts and messaging Jun 29 22:10:21 nope. please leave a message after the beep. Jun 29 22:10:24 forum = no replies in most cases Jun 29 22:10:39 HattCzech_work: must be on the wrong forum ;p Jun 29 22:10:56 is there a reason i can't remove the phone number from my app? i have e-mail and phone... when i try to empty the phone number... it won't let me Jun 29 22:11:08 is there any way to promote yourself in the app catalog or its just however they want to rank it? Jun 29 22:11:23 Hey, look, it's a wild Chuq Jun 29 22:11:27 you can request to be featured Jun 29 22:11:37 Everybody be quite and don't move, we don't want to scare him off Jun 29 22:11:41 * halfhalo_class throws pokeball Jun 29 22:11:43 does it cost or its all about merits? Jun 29 22:12:00 it goes to a commitette (sp?) Jun 29 22:12:06 wtf i totally f'd that up Jun 29 22:12:10 EmmettLollis: free and bsed on what palm decides Jun 29 22:12:16 lol Jun 29 22:12:25 committee? Jun 29 22:12:49 yar Jun 29 22:12:49 p Jun 29 22:13:16 lol Jun 29 22:13:26 cardScootAwayOnLaunchDuration Jun 29 22:13:30 wtf is a card scoot Jun 29 22:13:33 1 hour till shiny new vid card is mine Jun 29 22:13:40 i have a feeling my app wont be featured then lol Jun 29 22:14:32 ugh i wish i could find that file i found Jun 29 22:14:36 i think it will do decently though Jun 29 22:14:37 i swore it was in etc Jun 29 22:14:53 wish i would have used the PDK... doh! Jun 29 22:15:56 though i am a lot better at c++ than js... maybe i could make something decent in a week Jun 29 22:16:16 or just totally confuse myself by using diff languages Jun 29 22:16:16 i wish i knew c++ Jun 29 22:16:45 its like javascript but makes more sense because i learned it first Jun 29 22:17:07 its all about private data that can't be accessed from the outside Jun 29 22:17:45 but they've thrown in a crapload of stuff since i was using it last Jun 29 22:18:00 i see the current example code and say wtf Jun 29 22:18:07 brb Jun 29 22:18:11 yah Jun 29 22:18:32 i think entropy is having its way with c++ atm Jun 29 22:18:35 bbiab Jun 29 22:19:05 yay! precentral tweet Jun 29 22:19:11 lets hope this is the magic i needed Jun 29 22:19:25 hrm Jun 29 22:19:35 ok app submission is free now Jun 29 22:19:44 Ok HattCzech_work, I am convinced that your app may serve a use for me, so I am gonna download it. :) Jun 29 22:19:52 If anything, it seems cool. :) Jun 29 22:20:11 howdy Jun 29 22:20:39 just submitted the move for the coke cap app to move from the web catalog to the app catalog Jun 29 22:20:51 YESSS Jun 29 22:20:52 thanks :) Jun 29 22:21:11 How can I add things to two variables in a row using this.controller.get("list1").mojo.noticeAddedItems(0, [{label: item1[0]}]); Jun 29 22:21:18 I saw TXT Manager and I have to install that too :) Jun 29 22:21:44 hehehe, hopefully you find it useful Jun 29 22:21:50 i'm trying to make it a service Jun 29 22:22:18 but the stuff that rwhitby has done is much more complicated than i'd like Jun 29 22:22:42 and i've just been trying to get back into the top apps :) Jun 29 22:23:38 twbbas: what exactly are you trying to do? add two items to a list? Jun 29 22:23:56 Booo.... The eBay auction with the unlocked Pixi for $260 ended. :( Jun 29 22:24:44 my friend managed to get an unlocked iphone Jun 29 22:24:51 that's not jailbroken Jun 29 22:25:15 and how much did it cost? Jun 29 22:25:21 $40 to have it unlocked Jun 29 22:25:37 her dad is a CoP and aparently the police tech department can unlock any phone Jun 29 22:25:54 nice Jun 29 22:26:22 cause all their phones are required to work on anyone's network Jun 29 22:26:28 so they need unlocked phones aparently Jun 29 22:27:27 never underestimate the tools that law enforcement has :) Jun 29 22:27:29 sweet Jun 29 22:27:48 app submission now free. interesting Jun 29 22:28:06 could that be why the catalog hasn't grown much? Jun 29 22:29:17 i'm thinking the fee was there to increase quality a bit Jun 29 22:29:33 ie, dont want to release anything that wont at least pay for the fee Jun 29 22:29:54 it all seems to be about increasing the number of apps Jun 29 22:30:26 yep hey need to increase the aps Jun 29 22:31:00 majority of apps on android and iphone are crap but saying we have 50k apps seems to attract Jun 29 22:31:08 yep Jun 29 22:31:34 so now the trick will be to get noticed amongst all the crap Jun 29 22:33:06 HattCzech_work: I'm trying to add two lines to a single row in a list. So I setup a div with {#label1} and then {#label1} but when I use noticeAddeditems to add the labels, it adds them on different rows. I want to add them on the same row at the same time Jun 29 22:33:46 make the label look like #{-label1} and throw a
in there Jun 29 22:34:30 or that could be your style not displaying properly Jun 29 22:34:31
#{-label1}
#{-price}
​Like that? Jun 29 22:34:56 what you just did was make it two lines Jun 29 22:35:28 if you want label1 to have multiple lines, in the content for label1, make it "line1
line2" Jun 29 22:35:38
Jun 29 22:35:51 Wolvenhaven: i'm not sure if it matters, but that might be best Jun 29 22:36:07 it's proper syntax for tags which don't encapsulate anything Jun 29 22:36:12 it depends on doctype Jun 29 22:36:24 html strict is
Jun 29 22:36:45 HTML5 is
Jun 29 22:36:48 I don't know if webos uses html or xhtml, though Jun 29 22:36:52 this.controller.get("list1").mojo.noticeAddedItems(0, [{label1: item1[0]}]); and then I do this.controller.get("list1").mojo.noticeAddedItems(0, [{price: item1[1]}]); but it makes a seperate row for the price Jun 29 22:37:05 Do I add them both with the same noticeAddedItems? Jun 29 22:37:26 kesne: autoclosing tags are allowed in html5 Jun 29 22:37:30 not mandatory afaik Jun 29 22:37:52 twbbas: yeah Jun 29 22:37:57 How would I do that? Jun 29 22:38:24 [{label: item[0].label, price: item[0].price}] Jun 29 22:38:39 Thanks! Jun 29 22:39:04 sure Jun 29 22:40:38 Works great, thanks again Jun 29 22:40:45 Do you have any other apps you want me to download? Jun 29 22:40:59 Famic: webOS uses xhtml doctypes Jun 29 22:41:15 btw, a few of you in here might have just been followed on twitter by @biocandy .. thats me (as well as @dawm) Jun 29 22:41:26 dkirker: so it's not html5? Jun 29 22:41:31 without the caps (?) Jun 29 22:42:01 Famic: wait... I believe that it depends on your app. Jun 29 22:42:44 yeah, so, for instance, my app uses xhtml. You could probably create an html 5 doctype. You'd have to test it and let me know. :) Jun 29 22:43:31 dkirker: doctype is the first thing that appears in the document. How do you define it in your app ? Jun 29 22:43:43 index.html Jun 29 22:44:00 ok Jun 29 22:44:17 That is where I defined mine. Unless I am just clueless and webOS strips that out, and I happened to use the same one that webOS uses. Jun 29 22:44:41 nah, you must be right Jun 29 22:45:03 twbbas: txt group is the main thing i'm trying to push Jun 29 22:45:17 Famic: that'd be cool! :D Jun 29 22:45:20 txt manager is nice for homebrew if you'd like to try it Jun 29 22:45:36 but i just need a few hundred more for txt group Jun 29 22:45:42 so tell all your friends! :) Jun 29 22:46:19 so dkirker, what made you want to use my app? Jun 29 22:46:45 HattCzech_work: I saw TXT Manager. Jun 29 22:46:53 I would but I don't know anyone else that owns a pre! Jun 29 22:46:54 ahhh, heheh Jun 29 22:47:04 I deleted it then re-installed it if that helps :D Jun 29 22:47:16 twbbas: that's my problem, too :) Jun 29 22:47:27 hahaah, i don't think it will, but thanks anyway Jun 29 22:47:59 dkirker: care to retweet about my apps? :) Jun 29 22:48:14 i made a couple tweets this morning... one about txt group, the other about both Jun 29 22:48:27 HattCzech_work: just did :) Jun 29 22:48:35 SWEET! thanks Jun 29 22:49:03 no problem Jun 29 22:49:13 oh yeah Jun 29 22:49:26 tweetdecks schedule tweet feature did not work thismorning ;p Jun 29 22:49:38 thankfully i checked when i got up Jun 29 22:50:33 so who here has installed uberkernel? Jun 29 22:50:49 dkirker: (to Adora) what other blockers do you have? Jun 29 22:51:20 HattCzech_work: the mic :( Jun 29 22:51:32 ahhh, yeah Jun 29 22:52:03 is the dev for low battery in here? Jun 29 22:52:05 I still need to email them Jun 29 22:52:29 i noticed that the app doesnt include the screen curves.. shouldnt be too hard to add in Jun 29 22:54:00 man google Jun 29 22:54:12 palm should switch to yahoo services lul Jun 29 22:54:18 ..... Jun 29 22:57:40 just imagine! yahoo search as default Jun 29 22:58:12 well you could patch some files and make that possible Jun 29 22:58:34 or google search could just appear properly formatted like it used to >:( Jun 29 22:58:46 make sure its on mobile Jun 29 22:59:30 it is; apparently the formatting issue was brought up in an article on Jun 29 22:59:40 precentral Jun 29 22:59:42 well i just installed uberkernel.. lets see how this goes / or doesnt Jun 29 23:00:06 http://www.precentral.net/google-search-pages-all-kind-weird-webos Jun 29 23:00:11 lookin like this over here Jun 29 23:00:37 WTF Jun 29 23:00:56 my cable box just offered me a prompt saying 'watch this in HD' Jun 29 23:01:00 finally!! g4 in HD Jun 29 23:01:13 YAY!! Jun 29 23:04:15 woohoo Jun 29 23:04:44 HattCzech_work, did your app make it yet? Jun 29 23:04:55 not yet Jun 29 23:05:14 I've already spent like 1/4 of my winning money Jun 29 23:05:18 not too good =| Jun 29 23:05:30 well, i m prepared not to get taxed so Jun 29 23:05:32 since i probably won't get any, i can't spend any :( Jun 29 23:05:59 unless one of the review sites will put something up about my app Jun 29 23:06:49 how far down are you? Jun 29 23:07:02 maybe a couple hundred downloads Jun 29 23:07:06 i'm at 223 Jun 29 23:07:15 what app is above you Jun 29 23:07:22 i'm not sure what 222 is Jun 29 23:08:21 and i'm somewhat irritated at the most recent review :/ Jun 29 23:08:33 make me think it's the creator of multi-message lite Jun 29 23:08:56 HattCzech_work.. which app is yours? Jun 29 23:09:01 TXT Group Jun 29 23:09:08 cool, i'll check it out Jun 29 23:09:42 i was gonna tell you how many more you need Jun 29 23:09:52 but im too lazy to look at who's above you Jun 29 23:10:20 how can you tell who's above me? Jun 29 23:12:33 LOL Sounds is 221 @ 43461 downloads Jun 29 23:12:49 non-unique downloads Jun 29 23:12:59 oh yah Jun 29 23:13:03 that sux Jun 29 23:13:10 oh well Jun 29 23:13:21 during my efforts i accidently downloaded your app Jun 29 23:13:28 i kid you not.. unintentionally Jun 29 23:13:32 i have 59763 non-unique downloads :) Jun 29 23:13:39 +1 Jun 29 23:13:47 excellent ;) Jun 29 23:13:58 my finger bumped download when i was setting the device on my lap hehe Jun 29 23:14:11 there's nothing wrong with that Jun 29 23:14:15 and it's useful Jun 29 23:15:06 did you see the most recent review? Jun 29 23:15:23 yeah Jun 29 23:15:28 its not most recent anymore Jun 29 23:15:30 hello Jun 29 23:15:43 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:15:51 * CTLAdvance slaps kesne around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:15:53 hey CTLAdvance Jun 29 23:15:53 * CTLAdvance slaps kesne around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:15:59 * CTLAdvance slaps kesne around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:16:03 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:16:05 hello Jun 29 23:16:15 sorry about that, got carried away Jun 29 23:16:22 Anyone here using mirc? Jun 29 23:16:29 troup slapping can be addictive Jun 29 23:16:33 * EmmettLollis is Jun 29 23:16:36 EmmettLollis: what do you see as the most recent review? anonymous... "no quick texts... blah" Jun 29 23:16:39 * CTLAdvance slaps EmmettLollis around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:16:48 i just reviewed it Jun 29 23:16:53 maybe it's not in there yet Jun 29 23:17:09 ahhh okay Jun 29 23:17:18 nice app Jun 29 23:17:34 they keep working their way back up to the top... i've seen that one 3 days in a row now Jun 29 23:17:36 thanks Jun 29 23:17:44 (the date keeps updating) Jun 29 23:17:54 no problem.. you surely didn't deserve that crappy review Jun 29 23:18:01 ads aren't in the way at all Jun 29 23:18:22 and the part about it not working irritates me Jun 29 23:18:37 nice Jun 29 23:18:47 just had jumpoclock opened Jun 29 23:18:49 because it does, and i have a help page... and urg... just frustrating Jun 29 23:18:56 played, closed and opened NFS no TMC error Jun 29 23:19:33 um... is there a limit to scene name length? Jun 29 23:20:36 not sure... never had a very long scene name Jun 29 23:20:39 how long you talking? Jun 29 23:20:47 reportintake is the name Jun 29 23:21:00 Ares tells me it can't add a scene Jun 29 23:21:08 that doesn't seem too long Jun 29 23:21:42 my scene name was 10 chars, so only 2 fewer than that Jun 29 23:21:52 ugh, rptintake doesn't work either Jun 29 23:22:08 i had one called preferences Jun 29 23:22:09 but i've got to head out... leaving work Jun 29 23:22:09 something must be broken Jun 29 23:22:15 hopefully i'll be on later Jun 29 23:22:16 later hatt Jun 29 23:22:17 by my count thats 11 Jun 29 23:22:22 scheming a way to get some more downloads :) Jun 29 23:22:35 HattCzech_work: write on your back window in the dirt Jun 29 23:22:39 get a bit.ly url Jun 29 23:22:40 lol Jun 29 23:22:45 lol Jun 29 23:22:46 i have a goo.gl url :) Jun 29 23:22:49 ive done it for my old website Jun 29 23:22:55 wow samsung launching their phones on all carriers around the same time Jun 29 23:23:08 not that it worked, but it cannot hurt Jun 29 23:23:15 it woud have been great if Palm did something like that Jun 29 23:23:32 Anyone here using mirc for their irc client Jun 29 23:23:39 * EmmettLollis is using mirc Jun 29 23:24:01 nice Jun 29 23:24:11 that survey i took from sony was real Jun 29 23:24:14 I wish the yelp webos app let you leave comments Jun 29 23:24:21 PlayStation Plus is a premium PSN service Jun 29 23:24:32 pay $50/yr and get freebies and game discounts Jun 29 23:24:47 they aren't freebies if you pay $50 Jun 29 23:25:00 more like member freebies Jun 29 23:25:27 the survey compared to xbox in almost every question heh Jun 29 23:25:31 and it was like 150 questions Jun 29 23:25:44 i should advertise my app like that... buy for only $1 and get free reports built in Jun 29 23:26:02 does it have example reports? Jun 29 23:26:26 well it would have reports if Ares would let me create a scene :( Jun 29 23:26:33 heh Jun 29 23:26:36 example data = nice Jun 29 23:27:40 i hope i can figure out whats broken so i can finish my project Jun 29 23:29:01 found it Jun 29 23:29:04 :D Jun 29 23:29:17 EmmettLollis - did you pay to register it? Jun 29 23:29:24 hello everyone Jun 29 23:29:36 im trying to create a patch and running into problems Jun 29 23:29:39 pay to register what? Jun 29 23:29:44 mIRC Jun 29 23:29:52 hmm Jun 29 23:29:53 pacemkr: try #webosinternals Jun 29 23:30:11 got it Jun 29 23:30:13 thanks Jun 29 23:30:13 it is registered Jun 29 23:30:24 not saying someone in here cant help, but those are the guys that know that stuff specifically Jun 29 23:30:42 They sent you the code and everything fine? Jun 29 23:30:58 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:31:00 * CTLAdvance slaps dawm|laptop around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:31:02 * CTLAdvance slaps EmmettLollis around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:31:03 * CTLAdvance slaps pacemkr around a bit with a large trout Jun 29 23:31:05 ... Jun 29 23:31:08 cough sorry Jun 29 23:31:17 ;p Jun 29 23:32:25 dawn|laptop: is that the right room? noone in there Jun 29 23:33:35 its webos-internals Jun 29 23:33:50 my bad Jun 29 23:34:07 what is the best twitter app Jun 29 23:34:21 thats hard Jun 29 23:34:25 i love badkitty Jun 29 23:34:31 but i also like twee Jun 29 23:34:46 i use badkitty more Jun 29 23:35:02 are they free Jun 29 23:35:10 practically Jun 29 23:35:37 badkitty is 0.50 Jun 29 23:35:50 twee is 1.50 Jun 29 23:36:25 i paid double that for both.. stupid 50% off sale after i buy a bunch of apps Jun 29 23:48:29 they plan it that way Jun 29 23:48:44 when they see you just spent a lot of money they drop prices Jun 29 23:48:52 its a conspiracy Jun 29 23:51:41 just like how the room suddenly gets quiet when i type Jun 29 23:52:17 Anyone try Yak? I was using Tweed before but Yak is kinda cool. Jun 29 23:52:18 ironically.. ive been noticing a lot more coca cola ads on tv Jun 29 23:52:34 first the simpsons one and now this one with bugs Jun 29 23:53:25 you're working on a coke app right? Jun 29 23:53:49 its published (web feed, and submitted for relocation to the app catalog) Jun 29 23:54:00 nice Jun 29 23:54:34 another 'of course' Jun 29 23:54:39 put it in the web feed last night Jun 29 23:54:47 and this afternoon palm removes the app catalog fee Jun 29 23:55:02 ouch Jun 29 23:59:32 dawm: "Effective immediately, we’re waiving this fee and refunding to all developers any $50 fees collected in the past. If you’re one such developer, you will see a credit in your PayPal account in the near future." http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/06/app-submission-fee-eliminated/ Jun 29 23:59:47 oh wow Jun 30 00:00:17 thats crazy... don't see retro-active credits that often Jun 30 00:00:33 lemketron: i know Jun 30 00:00:47 if i would have known i would have tossed it in the app catalog instead of the web feed ;p Jun 30 00:02:29 whats the web feed? Jun 30 00:02:36 like preware? Jun 30 00:02:59 preware has access to it Jun 30 00:03:09 Ah, this app? http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/web/my-coke-rewards Jun 30 00:03:25 yeah, its waiting to be reviewed Jun 30 00:04:20 lemketron: hmm - seems like a better, deeper app catalog client spam filter will be needed :) Jun 30 00:05:31 lemketron did you get a chance to find out if libv8.so is stock from google? Jun 30 00:06:25 hi lemketron Jun 30 00:07:35 jhoat: lemme check; dkirker: hi Jun 30 00:11:24 dawm: the "points so far" numbers, are those images? Jun 30 00:11:30 yeah Jun 30 00:11:39 ah.. they look pretty nice Jun 30 00:11:43 thanks Jun 30 00:12:34 the ones in the sshot/app are v2 Jun 30 00:12:39 version 1: http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/digits.png Jun 30 00:12:47 version 2: http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/digits2.png Jun 30 00:12:52 ok Jun 30 00:12:53 i knew it was missing something Jun 30 00:13:22 its crazy what a small tweak can do Jun 30 00:13:38 i love the flip clock effect Jun 30 00:14:07 all it is is an inner shadow at -90 degress Jun 30 00:14:17 at about 50% Jun 30 00:14:21 height Jun 30 00:16:03 and you load all those images on startup? Jun 30 00:16:58 precache? no Jun 30 00:18:54 jhoatt: I don't believe you'd be able to drop in a "stock" libv8.so; you'd most likely have to merge our changes in before building it. Jun 30 00:19:49 oh well. it was worth asking I guess :) unless you guys want to publish said changes :D Jun 30 00:20:25 my understanding is that they should be part of the posted patches. Jun 30 00:21:25 lemketron: not afaik Jun 30 00:21:51 is it bundled as part of the webkit patch? I guess I can go look again Jun 30 00:33:59 webkit or webcore, it should be in there. if not, email the contact address to ask about it. Jun 30 00:37:17 ok Jun 30 00:40:23 hrm Jun 30 00:58:43 dawm; you around? Jun 30 01:03:57 dawm; got an error code putting in coke reward codes Jun 30 01:04:14 interested? Jun 30 01:04:50 yh Jun 30 01:11:28 good evening Jun 30 01:11:55 kesne: this seems too easy.. up to level 10 Jun 30 01:12:15 http://www.downsouthcustoms.net/caps/mycokerewards_2010-29-06_210703.png Jun 30 01:12:25 sorry.. was doing testing Jun 30 01:12:37 seems to do it if i hit enter in the keypad, instead of tap submit Jun 30 01:12:47 did you try it again? Jun 30 01:12:50 yeah Jun 30 01:13:01 had to reload to app Jun 30 01:13:09 i tried other codes and it wasn't digging it Jun 30 01:13:14 well hitting enter just fires the button function Jun 30 01:13:28 that error is from coke's server, but ill see if i cant get more information Jun 30 01:13:29 could be my phone i reckon Jun 30 01:13:38 maybe its forgetting the login Jun 30 01:13:56 did it happen on the first code? or after entering a couple Jun 30 01:14:10 third code i believe Jun 30 01:14:23 lemme see if maybe some variable is getting reset Jun 30 01:15:50 just thought i'd bring it up, could be on my side Jun 30 01:17:58 or theirs Jun 30 01:19:07 soooo tired =| Jun 30 01:25:54 does palm require that in-application icons be a certain size or are we free to do what we want? Jun 30 01:34:17 doh Jun 30 01:34:34 im sorry discombobulate, i owe you 18 points Jun 30 01:34:37 hopefully palm will give me a palm =| Jun 30 01:35:04 i guess pushScent doesn't work quite as well as pushScene Jun 30 01:35:06 that'll make me produce more quality apps for them =D Jun 30 01:35:31 i entered that code just for giggles and it worked, tried it again and got the same error, but nothing causing it on the app's end. Jun 30 01:36:27 soft drink code sites always run slow/have errors Jun 30 01:36:47 one time i was trying to enter like 20 mt dew caps Jun 30 01:36:55 took something like 2 hours Jun 30 01:37:32 to make it worse, i dont know exactly how to fully interact with there server, i just happened on some source code Jun 30 01:38:56 and i dont drink coke so i dont have a supply of caps ;p Jun 30 01:39:25 and i now owe discombobulate 18 points (5 caps) Jun 30 01:41:24 better start up a coke habbit Jun 30 01:41:53 gross Jun 30 01:42:06 i dont like coke myself Jun 30 01:42:12 was always mt dew for me Jun 30 01:42:15 lol @G4TV replied to my tweet about finally getting G4 in HD Jun 30 01:42:16 until the diabetes Jun 30 01:42:26 sweet Jun 30 01:42:36 sadly about all i drink is mtn dew Jun 30 01:45:56 i love it... only if i drink it my sugar gets high and i go to sleep Jun 30 01:46:04 opposite world Jun 30 01:46:30 i drink rooster booster lite now Jun 30 01:54:58 i don't understand. it has been over a year and there is only one terrible IM app in the catalog Jun 30 01:55:49 you haven't coded one up Jun 30 01:56:32 oh no problem dawm Jun 30 01:56:36 i have tons of coke points Jun 30 01:56:39 18 is nothing Jun 30 01:56:44 So we're giving away Palm Pre Pluses for folks who contribute to Spaz webOS. Just FYI http://bit.ly/aRwyLY Jun 30 01:56:46 heh i was like.. oh crap Jun 30 01:56:49 let me know if you need some for testing even Jun 30 01:56:56 i have an endless supply Jun 30 01:57:09 ill keep that in mind Jun 30 01:58:10 funkatron: wow Jun 30 01:58:36 funkatron: why do you need it ready by the 16th ? Jun 30 01:58:36 if you think others will be interested, please let them know 8) Jun 30 01:58:37 funkatron: nice Jun 30 01:58:48 Basic Auth is shut off July 16th Jun 30 01:58:56 ah gotcha Jun 30 01:58:58 bad kitty sucked. waste of 50 cents Jun 30 01:59:05 (actually they said it will be a gradual degrade, but I don't trust that 8) Jun 30 01:59:12 hehe Jun 30 02:00:13 how will palm run a hot app competition in july when no one has the upgrade as yet Jun 30 02:01:02 still 12.5 hours to go here Jun 30 02:01:06 maybe thats the day Jun 30 02:01:32 Palm hasn't missed a published deadline yet. Jun 30 02:02:03 (They've missed lots of "dealines" that bloggers pulled out of their **s, but none that Palm published) Jun 30 02:02:11 s/dealines/deadlines/ Jun 30 02:02:42 The next 24 hours will determine if this is the first :) Jun 30 02:03:09 oh, they listed a deadline ? Jun 30 02:03:12 i must have missed that Jun 30 02:03:23 is there a way to define the default stage? Jun 30 02:03:33 or is it always 'stage-assitant.js' ? Jun 30 02:03:59 why do you ask Jun 30 02:04:01 heh, that's spooky. I just got a "webOS 1.4.1: update message on my phone Jun 30 02:04:11 haha Jun 30 02:04:17 how come on AT&T I have 1.4.2 and you guys have 1.4.1? Jun 30 02:04:19 (yes, 1.4.1, not the next version) Jun 30 02:04:41 anyone know if you have to remove uberkernel for the update? Jun 30 02:04:52 that's the sign of an intellectual: starting a question with "how come" Jun 30 02:04:53 funkatron: AT&T like to be "special". there is no difference in the firmware actually apart from some GSM network settings and carrier apps Jun 30 02:05:04 yeah, they're special all right. Jun 30 02:05:31 funkatron: 1.4.3 on AT&T Pixi is also basically the same as 1.4.1.1 on other Pixi carriers Jun 30 02:05:41 rwhitby: yeesh Jun 30 02:05:51 I used a pixi today. it made me sad that I liked the keyboard much better Jun 30 02:06:17 funkatron: Stock Pixi outperforms 1.2GHz Pre in linpack floating point performance Jun 30 02:06:31 rwhitby: diff CPU, right? Jun 30 02:06:37 yep Jun 30 02:07:06 I want the CPU that makes moving a dom element not all laggy and choppy Jun 30 02:07:18 dawm|laptop: eh. doing dashboard stuff, need to reactivate the stage on tap Jun 30 02:07:27 funkatron: yeah, I doubt that has much floating point in it :) Jun 30 02:07:36 pandora--: look up app-assistant Jun 30 02:07:50 rwhitby: I suspect not. We need superior integer math, like Duke3d Jun 30 02:07:55 its before stage assistant i believe Jun 30 02:08:08 app - > stage -> scene Jun 30 02:08:14 i think Jun 30 02:08:37 yeah i know that Jun 30 02:08:51 deadline for what ? Jun 30 02:08:53 just wondering where the default stage is define/referenced Jun 30 02:08:58 * rwhitby goes under the covers to see why a webOS 1.4.1 phone thinks it needs to update to webOS 1.4.1 Jun 30 02:13:10 interesting Jun 30 02:13:55 is it alright to use a facebook page as a support website? Jun 30 02:15:05 i wouldnt see why not Jun 30 02:15:30 but take a look at getsatisfaction.com Jun 30 02:15:40 it has a free version Jun 30 02:15:49 which is pretty decent Jun 30 02:15:50 cool will do Jun 30 02:26:25 well im off to bed, night all Jun 30 02:26:34 good night dawm|laptop Jun 30 02:28:11 pandora-- the default stage isn't given a name Jun 30 02:28:25 *nods* Jun 30 02:28:40 so you can't access it from app-assistant Jun 30 02:28:49 you have to create your own stage Jun 30 02:37:10 is dawm still around? Jun 30 02:51:04 In my app I'm thinking of intercepting gesture-A to copy the entire screen to the clipboard. Anyone know how the best way to intercept that? Jun 30 02:55:17 Mojo.Event.keydown/up ? Jun 30 02:56:11 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.document, "keydown", this.onKeyDownHandler, true); **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 30 02:59:57 2010