**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 30 02:59:57 2010
Jun 30 03:02:21 <kesne> HattCzech
Jun 30 03:02:23 <kesne> HattCzech_away
Jun 30 03:03:41 <haeffb> egaudet: how do you capture gesture + key ?
Jun 30 03:05:05 <sugardave> hmmm, tricky
Jun 30 03:05:12 <egaudet> magic
Jun 30 03:05:18 <sugardave> Mojo magic
Jun 30 03:05:18 <haeffb> metakey: true ?
Jun 30 03:05:22 <bsiegel> look for event.metakey
Jun 30 03:05:29 <egaudet> gesture comes in as regular key
Jun 30 03:05:48 <egaudet> I just record that meta down came and then act upon the next key and cancel when meta up comes
Jun 30 03:05:52 <egaudet> check the wirc code
Jun 30 03:05:55 <egaudet> for example
Jun 30 03:05:57 <haeffb> metakey: true
Jun 30 03:06:35 <haeffb> event.keycode === 65 && event.metakey === true
Jun 30 03:06:44 <egaudet> I don't think it works like that
Jun 30 03:06:56 <haeffb> looks like it does
Jun 30 03:06:58 <egaudet> event.metakey is false when the next key down comes in I think IIRC
Jun 30 03:07:00 <haeffb> for keyup
Jun 30 03:07:06 <egaudet> or I'm misremembering, been a while
Jun 30 03:08:04 <HattCzech> what's up?
Jun 30 03:08:11 <HattCzech> kesne?
Jun 30 03:08:16 <haeffb> Roy-Pre101: try if (event.keycode === 65 && event.metakey === true) when listening on document for keyup
Jun 30 03:08:25 <kesne> HattCzech: see the PreCentral tweet?
Jun 30 03:08:40 <HattCzech> i did indeed
Jun 30 03:10:13 <HattCzech> i hope it helps, but i still think i need something a bit bigger :/
Jun 30 03:10:26 <HattCzech> unfortunately
Jun 30 03:12:47 <kesne> hmm
Jun 30 03:12:51 <kesne> Is your app free?
Jun 30 03:13:36 <HattCzech> yep
Jun 30 03:13:45 <kesne> I'll DL it 10 times
Jun 30 03:13:49 <LoneStar99> anyone have access to the simple.cpp file in the PDK?
Jun 30 03:14:00 <HattCzech> hehehe, you have 10 devices?
Jun 30 03:14:12 <kesne> Yessir
Jun 30 03:14:21 <kesne> LoneStar99: I do
Jun 30 03:15:15 <HattCzech> how do you have 10 devices?
Jun 30 03:15:19 <HattCzech> and thanks, btw :)
Jun 30 03:15:24 <LoneStar99> kesne: can you pastebin the original code, can't figure what i screwed up...
Jun 30 03:15:37 <HattCzech> would you happen to have another 490ish friends to ensure i get into the top 221? :)
Jun 30 03:15:43 <haeffb> egaudet: oil mentioned earlier today that there was a bug in wirc's nick-completion... maybe using the above would help?
Jun 30 03:16:08 <kesne> LoneStar99: Oh, the original code? No, I don't have that
Jun 30 03:16:13 <kesne> Just redownload it
Jun 30 03:16:20 <kesne> Or get it from Git
Jun 30 03:17:04 <egaudet> haeffb, it may, I wasn't aware that event.metakey came through correctly for keyup
Jun 30 03:17:08 <kesne> HattCzech: I have a lot of dev devices
Jun 30 03:17:17 <kesne> HattCzech: My entire family also have pre's
Jun 30 03:17:27 <LoneStar99> kesne:  is your simple.cpp code working though?
Jun 30 03:17:39 <egaudet> (it's what I originally wanted to use, but it kept coming up false for me, but that was some time ago)
Jun 30 03:17:41 <kesne> LoneStar99: For what it is, yes
Jun 30 03:17:54 <kesne> LoneStar99: I turned it into a game framework
Jun 30 03:17:56 <egaudet> thanks
Jun 30 03:18:02 <HattCzech> lucky... my entire family has droids :) haha
Jun 30 03:18:06 <LoneStar99> kesne: oh ok
Jun 30 03:18:18 <kesne> HattCzech: I have an Evo, heh
Jun 30 03:18:34 <kesne> HattCzech: I'll do what I can to promote your app
Jun 30 03:18:38 <LoneStar99> kesne: how would I GIT the file?
Jun 30 03:18:54 <kesne> LoneStar99: I'm 50% sure it's on Palm's GIT
Jun 30 03:19:25 <kesne> LoneStar99: http://github.com/palm/pdk-samples
Jun 30 03:19:54 <LoneStar99> kesne:  ok thanks,
Jun 30 03:19:56 <HattCzech> thanks, kesne... i greatly appreciate it
Jun 30 03:20:17 <kesne> HattCzech: I wish you'd given me more heads-up
Jun 30 03:20:42 <HattCzech> didn't want to hassle anyone
Jun 30 03:20:49 <HattCzech> thought i could do it all on my own :/
Jun 30 03:20:50 <kesne> I don't mind it
Jun 30 03:20:54 <kesne> Heh
Jun 30 03:21:05 <kesne> Protip: you never can do anything alone ;)
Jun 30 03:21:11 <HattCzech> hehehe, i know that now
Jun 30 03:21:16 <kesne> I didn't get 270,000 checkers users alone
Jun 30 03:21:48 <HattCzech> i just figured it i hit the 221, i could stay there :)
Jun 30 03:21:57 <HattCzech> only 2 days :/ hehe
Jun 30 03:24:20 <HattCzech> if some magic can get it up on precentral, that might win it for me :) but again, magic
Jun 30 03:26:01 <kesne> Heh
Jun 30 03:26:07 <kesne> I only can push so much
Jun 30 03:26:22 <HattCzech> and i don't want you to push too much to get someone irritated
Jun 30 03:26:35 <kesne> I was really hoping Yo Dawg would win something
Jun 30 03:26:36 <kesne> http://palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=net.keenstudios.app.yodawgpro
Jun 30 03:26:50 <HattCzech> if only i had someone who could get me back on the featured app list in the app catalog
Jun 30 03:27:38 <HattCzech> hahahaha, nice!
Jun 30 03:27:57 <HattCzech> http://www.palmhotapps.com/details.jsp?packageid=com.hattczech.txtgroup
Jun 30 03:28:02 <HattCzech> see how close i am? :/
Jun 30 03:29:06 <kesne> HattCzech: I'll get you there
Jun 30 03:29:49 <kesne> HattCzech: I'll give you my ad space for a day
Jun 30 03:30:05 <kesne> If I'd known earlier, I could have pushed really hard
Jun 30 03:30:11 <kesne> I have a lot of connections, yo
Jun 30 03:30:19 <HattCzech> dang, that's good to know
Jun 30 03:30:35 <HattCzech> i'll keep that in mind if i can whip something up for the pdk competition ;)
Jun 30 03:30:52 <kesne> Heh
Jun 30 03:30:57 <kesne> I've got a few things for that
Jun 30 03:31:07 <kesne> Hell, I've got an entire webOS Game engine
Jun 30 03:31:11 <HattCzech> i have to find the time for that :)
Jun 30 03:31:25 <HattCzech> oh, how i wish i was still in school :) hahaha
Jun 30 03:32:12 <kesne> Why do you wish?
Jun 30 03:32:25 <sugardave> so...oauth
Jun 30 03:32:32 <sugardave> how hard is that?
Jun 30 03:32:34 <kesne> Dave: What about it?
Jun 30 03:32:34 <HattCzech> felt like i had more time
Jun 30 03:32:37 <kesne> Very very hard
Jun 30 03:32:43 <sugardave> awesome
Jun 30 03:32:43 <HattCzech> sugardave: looking for a new device?
Jun 30 03:32:56 <sugardave> HattCzech: no....
Jun 30 03:33:22 <HattCzech> did you hear about funkatron's announcement?
Jun 30 03:33:30 <LoneStar99> kesne:  was clicking on "compile with debugging" and would fail --- what an idiot
Jun 30 03:33:34 <sugardave> oh yeah, I saw that
Jun 30 03:33:58 <kesne> LoneStar99: HAHAHAHA!
Jun 30 03:34:01 <sugardave> I suddenly have another project and potentially another, so I will pass on the shot at a Pre Plus
Jun 30 03:34:04 <kesne> What was his?
Jun 30 03:35:36 <HattCzech> kesne: funkatron's announcement?
Jun 30 03:35:45 <kesne> Yesh
Jun 30 03:36:17 <HattCzech> he needs contributors for spaz and will give a few pre pluses away for the biggest contributors
Jun 30 03:36:22 <kesne> Oh shnap
Jun 30 03:36:27 <kesne> I should work on that
Jun 30 03:36:28 <kesne> buuuut
Jun 30 03:36:31 <kesne> I already have a pre
Jun 30 03:36:32 <kesne> sooo
Jun 30 03:37:26 <HattCzech> i have a pre... but no pre plus
Jun 30 03:37:52 <sugardave> I like dev'ing with the Pre...I KNOW it'll work on the Plus
Jun 30 03:38:00 <kesne> Same
Jun 30 03:38:00 <kesne> I could get one
Jun 30 03:38:00 <kesne> But I'm lazy
Jun 30 03:38:03 <kesne> Dave: true dat
Jun 30 03:38:28 <HattCzech> i wouldn't mind a faster phone... :)
Jun 30 03:39:05 <HattCzech> but i don't like at&t, so i dunno about that
Jun 30 03:39:15 <sugardave> vzw
Jun 30 03:39:24 <kesne> I hate this kdi
Jun 30 03:39:26 <kesne> *kid
Jun 30 03:39:30 <sugardave> oh right
Jun 30 03:39:31 <sugardave> no gsm
Jun 30 03:39:35 <kesne> Why is youtube saying that my latest upload is my only video?
Jun 30 03:39:46 <sugardave> youtube hates you
Jun 30 03:41:09 <haeffb> sugardave: step 2 is going well?
Jun 30 03:41:16 <kesne> I guess so
Jun 30 03:41:25 <kesne> I just upload a new vid, decided to hide my other
Jun 30 03:41:35 <HattCzech> so kesne, for reference, i'm currently 150 short of today's posted number on hot apps
Jun 30 03:41:46 <kesne> ?
Jun 30 03:42:06 <haeffb> HattCzech: good luck!
Jun 30 03:42:25 <sugardave> haeffb: I'm trying to get step 2 under control, but looking good so far
Jun 30 03:42:34 <HattCzech> thanks haeffb :)
Jun 30 03:42:48 <haeffb> let me know when you get to step 3. You can pay me for the watch... :)
Jun 30 03:42:52 <sugardave> HattCzech: my fingers are virtually crossed for you
Jun 30 03:42:53 <sugardave> X
Jun 30 03:43:10 <sugardave> haeffb: hehe, will do
Jun 30 03:43:25 <HattCzech> thanks for all the support
Jun 30 03:45:57 <kesne> WTF
Jun 30 03:46:06 <kesne> So I log out and now it shows me my video?
Jun 30 03:47:36 <kesne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mlch97EQDA&feature=related
Jun 30 03:50:00 <oil> haha
Jun 30 03:51:28 <kesne> oil!
Jun 30 03:51:41 <haeffb> yes, it's everywhere these days
Jun 30 03:52:11 * oil gets over all the animals
Jun 30 03:52:45 <HattCzech> hahah
Jun 30 03:52:49 <HattCzech> make it stop!
Jun 30 03:52:53 * HattCzech slaps oil
Jun 30 03:53:00 <HattCzech> damnit, that did nothing!!!
Jun 30 03:53:01 * oil covers HattCzech
Jun 30 03:53:12 <HattCzech> aaaaaagggggghhhhh!
Jun 30 03:53:15 <HattCzech> lol
Jun 30 03:55:07 <kesne> What just happens?
Jun 30 03:56:08 <kesne> s/happens/happened
Jun 30 03:57:22 <HattCzech> oil happened
Jun 30 03:58:13 <dkirker> oil: I feel like a top hat joke should be inserted here 0:-)
Jun 30 04:01:08 <HattCzech> no hat jokes, only hat tricks :)
Jun 30 04:01:27 <dkirker> lol
Jun 30 04:11:58 <LoneStar99> kesne:  got this C++ example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8O02gtYC6Y to work on Visual Studio,  how hard would it be to get it to work on WebOS?
Jun 30 04:19:12 <EmmettLollis> wow, i just lost changes in an Ares crash
Jun 30 04:26:08 <EmmettLollis> i saved before the crash too, how odd
Jun 30 04:27:57 <LoneStar99> EmmettLollis: that sucks =(
Jun 30 04:33:25 <EmmettLollis> no big deal, just some gui elements
Jun 30 04:33:30 <EmmettLollis> as far as i know
Jun 30 04:33:44 <EmmettLollis> only takes a couple minutes to re-create it
Jun 30 04:33:57 <EmmettLollis> if it killed my assistants though...
Jun 30 04:36:08 <LoneStar99> that would totally suck
Jun 30 04:39:25 <EmmettLollis> hmm
Jun 30 04:39:36 <EmmettLollis> now it wont let me delete widgets
Jun 30 04:41:54 <EmmettLollis> logged out and back in, now its working.. maybe
Jun 30 04:45:15 <LoneStar99> any PDK coder here?
Jun 30 04:53:31 <pandora--> haeffb: alive?
Jun 30 06:09:17 <bigbadblo> Hey, does anyone here have a Pre on Sprint? I can't get MMS msgs to work...
Jun 30 06:10:49 <bigbadblo> hello?
Jun 30 06:29:31 <pandora--> bigbadblo: hm
Jun 30 06:29:40 <pandora--> reboot phone?
Jun 30 06:29:52 <torchie> wow the free ringtones app is really nice
Jun 30 06:29:53 <pandora--> bigbadblo: that happened to me the other day (pre/sprint)
Jun 30 06:29:55 <torchie> like really really nice
Jun 30 06:30:03 <pandora--> bigbadblo: reboot fixed it
Jun 30 06:30:10 <pandora--> torchie: yeah
Jun 30 06:30:23 <torchie> very polished, easy to use, fast
Jun 30 06:30:37 <torchie> gonna review the heck out of this
Jun 30 06:34:24 <torchie> and if I didn't swear by ring a ding I'd use the heck out of this more
Jun 30 06:37:11 <LoneStar99> pandora: have you messed with the PDK?
Jun 30 06:40:40 <pandora--> nope
Jun 30 06:40:53 <pandora--> torchie: whats ring a ding?
Jun 30 06:41:05 <torchie> oh you haven't been initiated
Jun 30 06:41:15 <torchie> it is THE ringtone
Jun 30 06:41:18 <torchie> one second:
Jun 30 06:42:11 <rbredow> It doesn't look to me like PalmHotApps has been updated yet today. Am I wrong?
Jun 30 06:42:19 <torchie> http://www.geico.com/public/ringtones.php?filename=ring_ding.mp3
Jun 30 06:50:44 <Amaranth> torchie: ow my ears
Jun 30 06:50:55 <Amaranth> torchie: If anyone near me every has that ringtone I may smash their phone
Jun 30 06:51:01 <Amaranth> s/every/ever/
Jun 30 06:51:03 <torchie> lol
Jun 30 06:51:18 <torchie> two otherf friends and I all have this exact ringtone
Jun 30 06:51:22 <torchie> possibly three
Jun 30 06:51:33 <torchie> we're hoping for the day we all get a call at the same time
Jun 30 06:59:59 <bigbadblo> pandora--: I just browsed over to my account page on Sprint, and it says MMS isn't available on the Pre...?
Jun 30 07:02:11 <dkirker> great... So... apparently stupid Asterisk does not support sending text messages to clients if there is not an active call between the end points. PATHETIC
Jun 30 07:02:34 <dkirker> that means that I have to set up another server to test SIP text messaging
Jun 30 07:03:23 <bigbadblo> pandora--: to be honest, it's never worked. I always get an error txt msg back from Sprint saying that it's a restricted feature, even thou I'm on a full data plan.
Jun 30 07:04:38 <bigbadblo> dkirker: what is SIP messaging?
Jun 30 07:05:05 <dkirker> it is the equivalent of text messages in VoIP
Jun 30 07:08:57 <bigbadblo> got it.
Jun 30 07:10:46 <dkirker> So, since my asterisk setup does not support it, I need to set up a server to test this feature... big pain
Jun 30 07:13:25 <LoneStar99> do you all think a chat system between webos users would be cool?
Jun 30 07:13:37 <dkirker> I do
Jun 30 07:13:42 <bigbadblo> isn't that what this is?
Jun 30 07:14:03 <dkirker> I think that it would be interesting
Jun 30 07:14:15 <LoneStar99> not sure, never used it, but beleive it might be
Jun 30 07:20:37 <dkirker> I am looking forward to this: http://forums.precentral.net/tibfib-apps/232707-mojo-messenger-bbm-style-chat-application-webos.html
Jun 30 07:21:19 <LoneStar99> looks cool
Jun 30 07:22:27 <LoneStar99> very cool
Jun 30 07:52:04 <LoneStar99> seems like "alex" may not be coming here exactaly
Jun 30 08:26:50 <LoneStar99> All I got to say, is that Pandora even though great, with tens millions of venture cash, can not win money from other developers that have not that type of backing
Jun 30 08:28:27 <LoneStar99> what I am saying, is an established company should not be allowed to compete
Jun 30 08:33:10 <LoneStar99> If Pandora Radio takes the price it would be a disgrace to any other developers, cuss they can't compete
Jun 30 08:36:47 <LoneStar99> can any of us compete with $50 million + of funding?
Jun 30 08:37:07 <EmmettLollis> whos getting $50 mil?
Jun 30 08:37:56 <LoneStar99> http://www.pandora.com
Jun 30 08:38:53 <LoneStar99> compare it to a developer that has a job, and trying to build something cool
Jun 30 08:39:05 <EmmettLollis> hmm
Jun 30 08:39:14 <EmmettLollis> aren't they just music focused?
Jun 30 08:39:30 <LoneStar99> where as a company has venture investments of 50M+
Jun 30 08:39:50 <LoneStar99> how can the little developer ever compete
Jun 30 08:40:05 <EmmettLollis> niches
Jun 30 08:40:07 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: heh, you're gonna love the results of the PDK Hot Apps contest ...
Jun 30 08:42:42 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  really cool?
Jun 30 08:43:48 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: oh PDK, I think you all deserve a great price
Jun 30 08:44:23 <EmmettLollis> i can't believe i never realized the contest for july was PDK only until yesterday
Jun 30 08:44:34 <EmmettLollis> i was all pumped about my app
Jun 30 08:46:54 <EmmettLollis> are there any GUI tools with the PDK?
Jun 30 08:47:45 <LoneStar99> EmmettLollis: I think the GUI would go through the WebOS API
Jun 30 08:48:12 <EmmettLollis> the one on eclipse?
Jun 30 08:49:17 <LoneStar99> honestly have no clue about C/C++ will leave to the experts
Jun 30 08:49:35 <EmmettLollis> gotcha
Jun 30 08:52:37 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  the PDK contest is left to no one other than the folks that had an early invite, that are EA etc...
Jun 30 08:53:37 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: that's my point.  If you're complaining about Pandora winning the SDK Hot Apps, then you'll be even more incensed about the PDK Hot Apps
Jun 30 08:54:44 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  had a few beers so thoughts are a bit slow
Jun 30 08:58:21 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  i never had a free app, just makes me bitter on the competition
Jun 30 09:00:33 <LoneStar99> Just think that the competions should have been categorized
Jun 30 09:03:42 <EmmettLollis> does anyone have a good method of reading the value of a datePicker outside of the change event?
Jun 30 09:13:41 <LoneStar99> Example: Want to build an office app for a  mobile. Let me get a team of experts, I do work for MS. Lets just try to change it abit. We can win the price.
Jun 30 09:14:49 <EmmettLollis> sounds like a plan, when do we start?
Jun 30 09:17:59 <EmmettLollis> yeah that situation does hit hard on smaller developers
Jun 30 09:18:26 <LoneStar99> how can it not
Jun 30 09:19:10 <EmmettLollis> would have to exclude the big players to correct it
Jun 30 09:22:20 <LoneStar99> In a competion for the small developers, Yes, no question.    but to make great app no they can build for themselves
Jun 30 09:23:58 <LoneStar99> There is an unfair headstart
Jun 30 09:25:39 <EmmettLollis> wow, i did lose some of my main code when Ares bugged out
Jun 30 09:26:02 <EmmettLollis> aparently everytime i hit save did nothing
Jun 30 09:26:35 <LoneStar99> Let EmmettLollis: are you from england?
Jun 30 09:26:48 <EmmettLollis> no, the us
Jun 30 09:26:58 <LoneStar99> cool
Jun 30 09:27:14 <EmmettLollis> where are you from?
Jun 30 09:27:57 <LoneStar99> from Texas
Jun 30 09:28:01 <EmmettLollis> thought so
Jun 30 09:31:32 <LoneStar99> EmmettLollis:  as of 3 months, going very far from technology
Jun 30 09:32:19 <EmmettLollis> how so?
Jun 30 09:32:23 <EmmettLollis> brb
Jun 30 09:36:32 <LoneStar99> Just like magic
Jun 30 09:38:50 <LoneStar99> WebOS is the best mobile OS every made, and that it what HP wanted, other than than th "IP"
Jun 30 09:39:27 <EmmettLollis> i always wondered.. why is there an iphone folder on the pre?
Jun 30 09:39:51 <LoneStar99> no clue
Jun 30 09:40:42 <EmmettLollis> i agree, webos is awesome
Jun 30 09:40:53 <EmmettLollis> thats why i chose the pre over the iphone
Jun 30 09:41:53 <LoneStar99> EmmettLollis:  Talking off will chat later
Jun 30 09:41:59 <EmmettLollis> ok, later
Jun 30 09:42:39 <LoneStar99> GN
Jun 30 09:43:27 <Famic> is it possible to access the app version from within the app ?
Jun 30 09:46:45 <warpdesign_> sure
Jun 30 09:47:55 <Famic> warpdesign_: any idea how ?
Jun 30 09:48:38 <warpdesign_> Mojo.Controller.appInfo will give you access to your appinfo.json array
Jun 30 09:48:53 <warpdesign_> so Mojo.Controller.appInfo.version would give you the version
Jun 30 09:49:29 <warpdesign_> object, no array..
Jun 30 09:51:25 <warpdesign_> no need to thank me ;)
Jun 30 09:54:17 <Famic> thanks anyway :p
Jun 30 10:16:49 <warpdesign_> ;)
Jun 30 11:10:34 <swisstomcat> hey
Jun 30 11:35:11 <swisstomcat> hi all
Jun 30 11:40:49 <swisstomcat> hrmm, having some pdk problems
Jun 30 11:40:51 <haeffb> EmmettLollis: myDatePickerModel.date;
Jun 30 11:40:58 <haeffb> hi swisstomcat
Jun 30 11:41:07 <swisstomcat> who managed to install the pdk?
Jun 30 11:48:43 <swisstomcat> for me, it doesn't download/install the cross-compiler (on winxp)
Jun 30 13:58:33 <HattCzech_work> morning all
Jun 30 14:00:01 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 30 14:00:09 <swisstomcat> bah, no lemmings for webos
Jun 30 14:00:18 <swisstomcat> author got a C&D letter from sony :(
Jun 30 14:00:58 <swisstomcat> and the pdk contest has changed: starts july 15th and "only" the 70 top apps get a prize, not the 200 top apps :(
Jun 30 14:02:14 <HattCzech_work> :/ that's no fun
Jun 30 14:05:09 <swisstomcat> but there are bigger prizes for those 70 apps
Jun 30 14:05:23 <swisstomcat> now i need to find a great idea for a PDK app
Jun 30 14:06:28 <rwhitby> wow, nastygram: http://www.mobile1up.com/lemmings/blog/sony-letter.txt
Jun 30 14:06:38 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 30 14:09:13 <warpdesign_> hi
Jun 30 14:09:54 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
Jun 30 14:16:06 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: i need to find a great idea as well
Jun 30 14:16:48 <swisstomcat> and maybe not a  game
Jun 30 14:17:03 <swisstomcat> because most pdk apps so far are games (if not all)
Jun 30 14:19:47 <HattCzech_work> there are a few games i had on palmos that i'd like to see on webos, but they're not open source :/
Jun 30 14:20:21 <swisstomcat> don't try to port lemmings, otherwise you'll get a nice C&D letter from sony
Jun 30 14:20:32 <HattCzech_work> hehehe, yeah, unfortunately
Jun 30 14:20:37 <HattCzech_work> which i was looking forward to
Jun 30 14:22:01 <sugardave> Mindless Rodents
Jun 30 14:24:56 <HattCzech_work> haven't heard of that one
Jun 30 14:25:20 <HattCzech_work> oh... as a renamed app?
Jun 30 14:25:54 <rwhitby> Mindless Walkmen
Jun 30 14:25:59 <swisstomcat> i think he was referring to sony :)
Jun 30 14:26:21 <sugardave> Mindless Blue Rodents in Green Shirts
Jun 30 14:26:44 <sugardave> rwhitby: I like that one
Jun 30 14:27:18 <rwhitby> sugardave: it works on a number of levels ;)
Jun 30 14:27:47 <sugardave> indeed it does
Jun 30 14:28:12 * sugardave waits for Lotus Notes to start.
Jun 30 14:28:23 * rwhitby heads to bed
Jun 30 14:28:32 <sugardave> night
Jun 30 14:30:55 <HattCzech_work> night
Jun 30 14:30:56 <swisstomcat> night rwhitby
Jun 30 14:31:10 <swisstomcat> don't they have a web-frontend, sugardave?
Jun 30 14:31:21 <Wayne> I bought bad kitty and didn't like it so got tweed which is a lil better but I don't like the updates
Jun 30 14:31:35 <sugardave> swisstomcat: probably, but I've never set it up
Jun 30 14:32:03 <Wayne> are there any tweet apps that shows who sent a new tweet without me having to optn the app
Jun 30 14:32:52 <swisstomcat> tweetme doesn't
Jun 30 14:34:18 <Wayne> sucks then
Jun 30 14:34:31 <sugardave> sounds like an opportunity to me
Jun 30 14:34:45 <Wayne> wish there was an official tweeter app
Jun 30 14:34:59 <Wayne> twitter
Jun 30 14:35:14 <HattCzech_work> so what's the consensus on twitter apps? (which one should i get?)
Jun 30 14:35:28 <Wayne> I just started using them 2 days ago
Jun 30 14:35:39 <HattCzech_work> twee? tweed? spaz? tweetme? bad kitty?
Jun 30 14:35:44 <Wayne> I have tweed.
Jun 30 14:35:53 <funkatron> Spaz sucks
Jun 30 14:35:53 <HattCzech_work> i use tweed beta
Jun 30 14:36:02 <HattCzech_work> because it was the original tweed on the phone :)
Jun 30 14:36:06 <Wayne> bad kitty has a horrible interface. that's my opinion.
Jun 30 14:36:15 <HattCzech_work> hahahah, excellent promotion, funkatron
Jun 30 14:36:24 <funkatron> That's how I roll
Jun 30 14:36:38 <Wayne> there don't seem to be any good free ones
Jun 30 14:37:04 <HattCzech_work> tweed beta isn't horrible
Jun 30 14:37:13 <HattCzech_work> don't know when they last updated it, though
Jun 30 14:37:13 <swisstomcat> spaz is pretty good
Jun 30 14:37:27 <Wayne> you wouldn't find it in the catalog either
Jun 30 14:38:00 <rwhitby> the first twitter app to have a theme which is the same as the palm default theme, and no extra colours or background pictures, will be the best.
Jun 30 14:38:43 * HattCzech_work takes notes and starts making an app
Jun 30 14:38:56 <sugardave> hmmm
Jun 30 14:39:02 <Wayne> hopefully now app submission is free there might bemore official apps and free
Jun 30 14:39:19 <rwhitby> to many apps crucify the perfectly good Palm UI theme to try and hide the fact that their functionality sucks
Jun 30 14:39:24 <Wayne> why no irc apps in the catalog
Jun 30 14:39:42 <funkatron> I know I was just trying to hide the fact that Spaz's functionality sucks
Jun 30 14:39:45 * sugardave is involved in an "API challenge" that uses oauth.  "Maybe when it's done I can work on an 'ugly' Twitter client for webOS."
Jun 30 14:40:10 <rwhitby> funkatron: spaz is one of the ones which is closest to the palm theme
Jun 30 14:40:33 <funkatron> FWIW, anyone can override the existing theme in Spaz by dropping in a user.css file
Jun 30 14:41:04 <funkatron> and actually it's about 95% there on theming. I just don't have time to make new themes atm
Jun 30 14:41:43 <funkatron> I did about 60% of the work on a standard palm theme, but got pulled onto other things
Jun 30 14:42:14 <funkatron> But anyway, the source is there, and it's actually super easy to user patch
Jun 30 14:42:15 <rwhitby> World Time programs are the worst for this behaviour.  What you need is a simple list of times for different cities.  What you don't need is a title bar that takes half the page with the name of the app in it, and an ugly picture of the globe in the other half of the page, leaving no room left for more than two cities.
Jun 30 14:42:37 <sugardave> woo, got a "get of meeting free" card today
Jun 30 14:42:55 <rwhitby> Also what you don't need is a background watermark or picture which makes it harder to read the times that you're opening the app to read.
Jun 30 14:42:55 <sugardave> get out of meeting free
Jun 30 14:42:56 <sugardave> yeah
Jun 30 14:43:08 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: try whendle and we talk again
Jun 30 14:44:09 <sugardave> uh-oh, Sony Playstation Network going with the XBox Live pay for membership model
Jun 30 14:44:56 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: from what I see from the screenshots of whendle, it has 95% of the screenspace showing a map of the glob which has zero useful information, and some tiny tiny tiny clocks with even tinier hands on which you're meant to read the time?
Jun 30 14:45:44 <rwhitby> and by the way, when I'm trying to schedule a meeting between four people around the globe, I don't really care what the weather is in those four cities.
Jun 30 14:46:37 <swisstomcat> it even shows pictures from that place *ducks*
Jun 30 14:46:48 <rwhitby> I want to open an app, have it display in a microsecond, with no graphics to slow it down, and show 6 cities and times.  that's it.  nothing else.  nada.
Jun 30 14:47:07 <swisstomcat> i see your point ... shall i make an app?
Jun 30 14:47:41 <rwhitby> I'll pay $5 for an app that does that, can handle the GMT+13:45 timezone, and knows that different parts of the world change daylight savings in different directions at different times.
Jun 30 14:47:52 <swisstomcat> not everyone wants a glitzy app
Jun 30 14:48:12 <rwhitby> I can't believe *anyone* wants a glitzy app.
Jun 30 14:48:19 <swisstomcat> i do :)
Jun 30 14:48:45 <swisstomcat> but it has to follow the "design follows functionality" principle
Jun 30 14:48:52 <swisstomcat> not the other way around
Jun 30 14:49:11 <rwhitby> add the feature which lets you type in a time on one city, and it displays the matching times in the others, and I'll pay $10.
Jun 30 14:49:52 <rwhitby> but put the weather in the way, slow down the loading with graphics, or put an ad in there, and it goes to $0.50
Jun 30 14:50:06 <sugardave> rwhitby: it sounds like you know what you want...would you be willing to advise on the +13:45 and how to keep up with different daylight savings switches/directions? :D
Jun 30 14:50:27 <rwhitby> sugardave: yes - the underlying Linux operating system knows all about that.
Jun 30 14:50:27 <funkatron> rwhitby: believe that you are not everyone else 8)
Jun 30 14:50:29 <deliciousmorsel> HattCzech_work: tried your app, its pretty good
Jun 30 14:50:39 <deliciousmorsel> funkatron: what do you need help with on Spaz for WebOS?
Jun 30 14:50:47 <sugardave> well, Hell...it's mostly done already :D
Jun 30 14:51:13 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: pretty much outlined in my post. Specifics are in the issue tracker (spaz.lighthouseapp.com) and such too. Did you read the post?
Jun 30 14:51:29 <deliciousmorsel> at 2am last night
Jun 30 14:51:35 <funkatron> indeed. jas.
Jun 30 14:51:35 <deliciousmorsel> so i already forgot
Jun 30 14:51:35 <deliciousmorsel> haha
Jun 30 14:51:58 <funkatron> http://groups.google.com/group/spaz-users/browse_thread/thread/e58a424f1b63e12
Jun 30 14:52:35 <HattCzech_work> cool, glad you like it, deliciousmorsel
Jun 30 14:52:53 <rwhitby> the next app I want is one that knows your flight schedule from your google calendar, and when you're sitting at an international airport waiting for the next flight, it has automatically changed your timezone cause it knows where you are, and it doesn't bother telling you the time of the next flight (cause you're jetlagged anyway), it just tells you how long till the next flight.
Jun 30 14:53:45 <rwhitby> BTW, you don't have cellular roaming rights in that country, so you can't get the time or timezone from the network.
Jun 30 14:53:46 <sugardave> how long until next is a good feature idea, I like it
Jun 30 14:54:44 <HattCzech_work> so deliciousmorsel, care to retweet about my app?
Jun 30 14:54:57 <HattCzech_work> i'm up a bit higher than i expected this morning, so i'm still in the running :)
Jun 30 14:55:06 <HattCzech_work> 29999 :) heheh
Jun 30 14:55:19 <rwhitby> and as you're landing from one flight, it shows the comment you put in your calendar entry which is the terminal you need to walk to to catch the next flight
Jun 30 14:55:49 <sugardave> that shit changes too much
Jun 30 14:55:54 <sugardave> oh terminal
Jun 30 14:55:55 <sugardave> not gate
Jun 30 14:55:57 <sugardave> I see
Jun 30 14:56:00 <rwhitby> yeah, terminal
Jun 30 14:56:12 <deliciousmorsel> HattCzech_work: where is your tweet
Jun 30 14:56:14 <deliciousmorsel> so i can retweet it
Jun 30 14:56:30 <HattCzech_work> rwhitby: that relies on palm opening up calendar info :)
Jun 30 14:56:51 <HattCzech_work> yesterday around 9-10am i think?
Jun 30 14:57:46 <deliciousmorsel> HattCzech_work: am i not following you?
Jun 30 14:57:46 <rwhitby> HattCzech_work: calendar sync is optional - I'm happy to type in the 10 legs of a round the world trip, as long as the program is smart enough to know that if you land somewhere, it's pretty likely that you're going to take off on the next leg from the same place, so it defaults the airport and time accordingly
Jun 30 14:57:50 <deliciousmorsel> whats your twitter account
Jun 30 14:58:13 <HattCzech_work> HattCzech (and i'm not sure if you are)
Jun 30 14:58:29 <rwhitby> oh, the flights app also needs to be able to work out arrival time from timezones and flight duration, and vice versa.
Jun 30 14:58:52 <sugardave> that's just crazy talk
Jun 30 14:58:53 <rwhitby> and it needs to be able to handle a flight that lands before it takes off
Jun 30 14:59:03 <HattCzech_work> tricky tricky :)
Jun 30 14:59:20 <rwhitby> e.g. you leave Sydney on a 13.5h flight at 2:30pm and land in LA the same day at 7:00am
Jun 30 14:59:46 <HattCzech_work> preventing yourself from growing old, eh?
Jun 30 14:59:53 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jun 30 14:59:58 <HattCzech_work> just keep traveling back in time
Jun 30 15:00:01 <sugardave> it's how he keeps winning the lottery
Jun 30 15:00:06 <rwhitby> HattCzech_work: no, the jetlag you get compensates nicely
Jun 30 15:00:09 <HattCzech_work> brilliant!
Jun 30 15:00:21 <HattCzech_work> hahahah, oh, i know how that feels
Jun 30 15:00:44 <HattCzech_work> no 20+ hour flights yet (australia/ new zealand), but some 12's and 14's
Jun 30 15:00:56 <HattCzech_work> and those are definitely rough
Jun 30 15:02:17 <rwhitby> here's the specification for the app: http://www.classactionpl.com/timetraveler/demo.htm
Jun 30 15:03:49 <rwhitby> (click on "Entering the Itinerary" onwards)
Jun 30 15:03:52 <HattCzech_work> deliciousmorsel: did you find it?
Jun 30 15:04:27 <deliciousmorsel> HattCzech_work: maybe
Jun 30 15:04:30 <sugardave> try being a smoker on one of those flights....SUCK
Jun 30 15:04:49 <sugardave> well, don't really try it
Jun 30 15:04:52 <sugardave> smoking is bad
Jun 30 15:05:36 <HattCzech_work> deliciousmorsel: 24 hours ago: "The nicest group texting app..."
Jun 30 15:05:47 <deliciousmorsel> didn't like your terminology
Jun 30 15:05:49 <HattCzech_work> or i can tweet it again since palm never picked up on it
Jun 30 15:05:51 <deliciousmorsel> so i just tweeted my own
Jun 30 15:05:55 <HattCzech_work> fair enough :)
Jun 30 15:06:03 <HattCzech_work> much appreciated
Jun 30 15:06:07 <deliciousmorsel> yuppp
Jun 30 15:07:59 <deliciousmorsel> 15 hours left
Jun 30 15:08:56 <sugardave> “Sugardave is a miracle worker. He finished the project faster than he anticipated, with much better quality than I ever dreamed of. His preview builds were near perfect. His understanding of requirements was amazing. His relentless pursuit for perfection was reassuring We utilized a few phone calls with written follow-up in eLance and there was never a detail that was lost/forgotten. I was lucky to have found him and now you are 
Jun 30 15:09:07 <sugardave> now THAT'S what I'm talking about
Jun 30 15:09:15 <deliciousmorsel> I'm glad i found you too
Jun 30 15:09:22 <sugardave> heh
Jun 30 15:09:27 <deliciousmorsel> gimme sugar
Jun 30 15:09:33 <sugardave> MWAH
Jun 30 15:10:00 <deliciousmorsel> is that a linkedin thing?
Jun 30 15:10:02 <HattCzech_work> badass
Jun 30 15:10:18 <sugardave> nah, it's elance feedback from my first job
Jun 30 15:10:23 <deliciousmorsel> nice
Jun 30 15:10:25 <deliciousmorsel> thats pretty good then
Jun 30 15:10:34 <deliciousmorsel> linkedin doesnt matter
Jun 30 15:10:45 <sugardave> I think I have an account there...
Jun 30 15:10:52 <sugardave> but I don't use it/know how to
Jun 30 15:10:53 <sugardave> :D
Jun 30 15:12:00 <haeffb_pre> sugardave:  missed it...
Jun 30 15:12:32 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: pm'd so I don't look like a total ass :D
Jun 30 15:13:13 <codeslaw> yo yo yo yo
Jun 30 15:13:21 <sugardave> rehi
Jun 30 15:13:24 <deliciousmorsel> funkatron: Do you think developers would care about a dual license for apps?
Jun 30 15:13:31 <haeffb_pre> awesome
Jun 30 15:13:43 <deliciousmorsel> funkatron: thinking about releasing an OSE and keeping the premium features.
Jun 30 15:13:46 <codeslaw> 13 hours left in contest!
Jun 30 15:13:54 <codeslaw> will free music ringtones conquer the pandora?
Jun 30 15:14:05 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: what's an OSE?
Jun 30 15:14:12 <deliciousmorsel> open source edition
Jun 30 15:14:16 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: do you mean dual-license like MIT and GPL?
Jun 30 15:14:23 <deliciousmorsel> GPL and Commercial
Jun 30 15:14:30 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: people have certainly done a "community" edition and been fine with that
Jun 30 15:14:35 <sugardave> will HattCzech_work break the top 221?  Stay tuned and find out!
Jun 30 15:14:41 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: I'll say that many devs do *not* like GPL, tho. I'm included in that.
Jun 30 15:14:46 <codeslaw> comoooooooon hatt
Jun 30 15:14:49 <deliciousmorsel> too restrictive
Jun 30 15:14:50 <deliciousmorsel> ?
Jun 30 15:14:56 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: too viral.
Jun 30 15:15:09 <deliciousmorsel> MIT better?
Jun 30 15:15:27 <codeslaw> MIT is great, but funk -- how do you mean viral
Jun 30 15:15:30 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: Much, much better. MIT, Apache, New BSD are all non0-viral open source
Jun 30 15:15:57 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: GPL requires that anyone else who modifies your code release their source (a little more complex than that, but mostly)
Jun 30 15:16:02 <deliciousmorsel> yes
Jun 30 15:16:05 <deliciousmorsel> thats what i wanted
Jun 30 15:16:09 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jun 30 15:16:13 <codeslaw> so, self-propogating
Jun 30 15:16:17 <deliciousmorsel> viral
Jun 30 15:16:19 <codeslaw> ya that is troublesome
Jun 30 15:16:20 <deliciousmorsel> makes sense
Jun 30 15:16:24 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: it also has a tendency to infect everyone else's source. Let's say I want to use some of your GPL code -- like a library -- in Spaz
Jun 30 15:16:36 <deliciousmorsel> uhgg true
Jun 30 15:16:38 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: if I start integrating it, it makes all of MY code have to be GPL now
Jun 30 15:16:53 <deliciousmorsel> yes
Jun 30 15:16:56 <funkatron> now it's a little more complex, and there are arguments and interpretations, but…
Jun 30 15:16:56 <deliciousmorsel> i dislike that
Jun 30 15:16:58 <funkatron> yeah
Jun 30 15:17:08 <deliciousmorsel> what does the FSF go for?
Jun 30 15:17:09 <deliciousmorsel> GNU
Jun 30 15:17:17 <funkatron> FSF is GPL
Jun 30 15:17:30 <deliciousmorsel> is there even a GNU license?
Jun 30 15:17:31 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jun 30 15:17:36 <funkatron> jQuery, for ex, is dual licenses under GPLv2 and MIT
Jun 30 15:17:42 <codeslaw> would CC be considered viral?
Jun 30 15:17:43 <funkatron> yes, the GNU Public License
Jun 30 15:17:45 <funkatron> GPL
Jun 30 15:17:49 <deliciousmorsel> LOL
Jun 30 15:17:50 <funkatron> codeslaw: depends on which CC
Jun 30 15:17:51 <deliciousmorsel> well
Jun 30 15:18:08 <codeslaw> i see
Jun 30 15:18:18 <rwhitby> lots of companies go dual GPL and subscription.  you pay for it not to be viral.
Jun 30 15:18:35 <deliciousmorsel> I want some of my features not in the GPL version
Jun 30 15:18:45 <deliciousmorsel> but like 95% of the app OSE'd
Jun 30 15:18:55 <rwhitby> if you're the copyright owner, you can do as you choose.
Jun 30 15:19:10 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: so are people okay with having an open source "community" version, and a pay version with more features? plenty of people do that
Jun 30 15:19:13 <deliciousmorsel> and if people contribute to the OSE version, i can integrate those directly into the premium version
Jun 30 15:19:17 <rwhitby> deliciousmorsel: VirtualBox would be a good model for you
Jun 30 15:19:32 <deliciousmorsel> yes VirtualBox is GPL and Commercial
Jun 30 15:19:46 <funkatron> part of it is the diff between licensing an app and a library
Jun 30 15:19:58 <deliciousmorsel> but i want to make sure i dont step on anyone's toes who contributes to the GPL version and i use that source to put into my premium version without releasing it's source
Jun 30 15:19:59 <rwhitby> deliciousmorsel: to do the latter, you need to either not be GPL, or get contributors to agree to the dual licensing up front before they contribute
Jun 30 15:20:20 <funkatron> as a library which is intended to be used by other devs as part of their apps, GPL gets problematic. there's an LGPL that kind of addresses that.
Jun 30 15:20:27 <rwhitby> cause you can't change the licensing of someone else's code
Jun 30 15:20:52 <rwhitby> but you can get them to agree to your licensing wishes before they contribute
Jun 30 15:20:56 <deliciousmorsel> Oracle does it with VirtualBox
Jun 30 15:21:01 <deliciousmorsel> ahh
Jun 30 15:21:05 <funkatron> but as an app, you could take a model like VBox or ExtJS, which is GPL or commercial, but has an exception for FOSS-licensed projects
Jun 30 15:21:05 <deliciousmorsel> but before hand they agree to it
Jun 30 15:22:09 <rwhitby> exception for OS licensed projects fits well with Palm's concessions for open source apps
Jun 30 15:22:40 <rwhitby> although it's not really a concession any more, cause the fee is now waived for everyone
Jun 30 15:22:43 <HattCzech_work> i've broken 30k! yay!
Jun 30 15:22:49 <deliciousmorsel> woot!
Jun 30 15:23:14 <deliciousmorsel> every day they update the palm hot apps it goes up by 500
Jun 30 15:23:14 <HattCzech_work> i was thinking 31k would guarantee a spot... pretty sure i won't hit that ;)
Jun 30 15:23:18 <deliciousmorsel> so you better hit 31k
Jun 30 15:23:37 <deliciousmorsel> luckily 221 and 220 are on the decline
Jun 30 15:23:42 <HattCzech_work> i've noticed a 300-400 increase, so hopefully it'll stay that way :)
Jun 30 15:23:58 <deliciousmorsel> want to know something interesting?
Jun 30 15:24:07 <HattCzech_work> and as long as they stay on the decline, i'll be good!
Jun 30 15:24:10 <HattCzech_work> sure
Jun 30 15:24:11 <deliciousmorsel> last week one my app stopped working (Google Auth problem)
Jun 30 15:24:17 <deliciousmorsel> and i went up 18 spots in hot apps
Jun 30 15:24:26 <deliciousmorsel> and the previous week i had not gone up at all
Jun 30 15:24:31 <deliciousmorsel> it was dormant for like 3 weeks
Jun 30 15:24:36 <HattCzech_work> weird
Jun 30 15:24:36 <deliciousmorsel> at like 180~
Jun 30 15:24:52 <deliciousmorsel> controversy ftw?
Jun 30 15:25:02 <HattCzech_work> how did that bump you up? :) hehe
Jun 30 15:25:03 <deliciousmorsel> broken apps get publicity
Jun 30 15:25:08 <HattCzech_work> that's really odd
Jun 30 15:25:15 <deliciousmorsel> yeah it was broken for 3 days
Jun 30 15:25:20 <HattCzech_work> hahahah, ahhhh, that makes sense
Jun 30 15:25:23 <deliciousmorsel> i got hundreds of emails it was terrible
Jun 30 15:25:30 <deliciousmorsel> i'm bad at tech support :|
Jun 30 15:25:32 <HattCzech_work> oh yeah, that wouldn't be fun
Jun 30 15:25:41 <deliciousmorsel> well bad at responding
Jun 30 15:25:46 <deliciousmorsel> i did a batch email
Jun 30 15:25:51 <deliciousmorsel> to like 40 peeps
Jun 30 15:25:54 <funkatron> deliciousmorsel: me too. tech support is no fun. I don't charge for my stuff partially because I don't want that nightmare
Jun 30 15:26:05 <deliciousmorsel> most of the emailing users were free users
Jun 30 15:26:06 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jun 30 15:26:14 <deliciousmorsel> i have a free version which i want to OS
Jun 30 15:26:19 <deliciousmorsel> and keep its premium version running
Jun 30 15:26:29 <deliciousmorsel> not that it makes that much money
Jun 30 15:26:34 <deliciousmorsel> its actually pretty poor performing
Jun 30 15:26:44 <deliciousmorsel> though it is ranked #163 on paid apps
Jun 30 15:26:58 <rwhitby> funkatron: amen.  if you don't charge, you can just ignore the idiots :)
Jun 30 15:27:16 <HattCzech_work> rwhitby: i didn't know that was a rule... i should do that with mine ;)
Jun 30 15:27:33 <deliciousmorsel> technically Palm doesn't have a refund policy on apps
Jun 30 15:27:41 <deliciousmorsel> so you can technically ignore everyone once they've purchased
Jun 30 15:27:53 <oil> lol
Jun 30 15:28:01 <deliciousmorsel> though i have personally refunded money to a few people
Jun 30 15:28:05 <oil> i get a lot of blank "-- sent from my pre
Jun 30 15:28:09 <oil> support emails
Jun 30 15:28:14 <deliciousmorsel> haha same
Jun 30 15:28:15 <funkatron> hah
Jun 30 15:28:19 <oil> sometimes i get random stuff
Jun 30 15:28:24 <funkatron> I have never gotten a support email with a subject
Jun 30 15:28:26 <oil> like a support email filled with "ASJKLDLASKDJLAKSDJLKASDJASD"
Jun 30 15:28:34 <oil> so i replied with "ALKSDJLASKJDLKASDJ"
Jun 30 15:28:36 <sugardave> I've had a couple of those, I've had _1_ forum post
Jun 30 15:28:40 <deliciousmorsel> i pre-fill the support email with the name of the app and the version numbert
Jun 30 15:28:45 <deliciousmorsel> so i can tell what they are emailing about
Jun 30 15:28:50 * oil too
Jun 30 15:28:50 <funkatron> yeah, I should do something in the subject
Jun 30 15:29:01 <deliciousmorsel> make sure to include the app version number
Jun 30 15:29:16 <deliciousmorsel> cause 90% of the time the response is "Please update, the newest version fixes that"
Jun 30 15:29:21 <oil> lol
Jun 30 15:29:46 <rwhitby> you could short circuit that in the app
Jun 30 15:30:01 <deliciousmorsel> with the app update check
Jun 30 15:30:02 <rwhitby> don't open the email app if it's not the latest version
Jun 30 15:30:31 <funkatron> procmail that jazz, yo
Jun 30 15:30:31 <rwhitby> or just have a spam filter on your email address for older versions :)
Jun 30 15:31:30 <deliciousmorsel> i wonder if i can get Palm to keep the submission fee's and send me a development device
Jun 30 15:31:36 <deliciousmorsel> i really could use a Palm Pre that works
Jun 30 15:41:42 <rcube> are there any palm employees on this discussion?
Jun 30 15:42:09 <sugardave> sometimes
Jun 30 15:43:07 <sugardave> they're probably all partying on their new yachts today, before going back to being HP wage slaves
Jun 30 15:43:12 <sugardave> :P
Jun 30 15:43:18 <oil> lol
Jun 30 15:43:39 <rcube> who can I whois? (I ask because I am still not able to switch modes in iwconfig and think it is a firmware issue)
Jun 30 15:43:44 <rcube> haha
Jun 30 15:44:15 <rcube> maybe nobody then ;-)
Jun 30 15:44:21 <sugardave> rcube: what are you trying to do?
Jun 30 15:46:31 <rcube> i am still trying to switch into ad-hoc mode following the webos internals wiki page but I always get an error. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ad-Hoc_Networking
Jun 30 15:46:51 <sugardave> ah, there is a channel for them, #webos-internals
Jun 30 15:47:47 <rcube> yah but surprisingly nobody is able to tell me why it's not working and nobody tried to reproduce my error (people are busy). If you are willing to try it and let me know if you are successful, i'd greatly appreciate it. I just went into terminal app and became super
Jun 30 15:48:08 <rcube> and then followed the wiki, first turning on the wifi via code and then setting up ad hoc
Jun 30 15:49:33 <sugardave> rcube: my policy is that I don't do things to my phone (with VERY few exceptions) that can't be done through Mojo
Jun 30 15:49:51 <sugardave> but, there may be some in here that have done it
Jun 30 15:49:55 <rcube> ah, understandable.
Jun 30 15:50:24 <sugardave> sorry...good luck, though!
Jun 30 15:51:13 <rcube> it's interesting actually FYI: I need to set up an ad-hoc wifi connection to use a program called obdgpslogger to check my gas milage in my car and get performance numbers, etc. (via odb port)
Jun 30 15:51:36 <rcube> and it's open source. hoping to get it ported to webos eventually. Thanks anyway :)
Jun 30 15:52:04 <sugardave> you were in here the other day talking to Metaview about it, I think...sounds cool, I hope you get it working
Jun 30 15:52:50 <rcube> yah. that's right. anyway that's why i wanted to get ahold of someone at palm to see if they changed something in the 1.4.1 release to disallow this.
Jun 30 15:53:02 <sugardave> that is very possible
Jun 30 16:06:22 <sugardave> how dare someone else compete for this project :P
Jun 30 16:06:35 <sugardave> I like it better when I'm the only bid
Jun 30 16:09:07 <HattCzech_work> any german speakers currently around?
Jun 30 16:09:34 <sebastianha> here
Jun 30 16:11:31 <HattCzech_work> would you mind helping me with some FAQ translation for my app?
Jun 30 16:12:09 <sebastianha> of course
Jun 30 16:12:23 <sebastianha> no problem just send me the text
Jun 30 16:17:36 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/9E6vhSpJ
Jun 30 16:17:39 <HattCzech_work> thanks
Jun 30 16:21:10 <sebastianha> Would you like the translation formal or informal?
Jun 30 16:21:58 <HattCzech_work> more formal, i guess
Jun 30 16:22:33 <sebastianha> ok
Jun 30 16:26:27 <sebastianha> HattCzech_work: may I query you for a question?
Jun 30 16:26:33 <LoneStar99> hello folks
Jun 30 16:26:34 <HattCzech_work> sure
Jun 30 16:32:19 <sugardave> hi LoneStar99, has the hurricane hit?
Jun 30 16:32:43 <sugardave> oh, I see it won't be until late
Jun 30 16:33:03 <deliciousmorsel> 13:27
Jun 30 16:35:47 <CTLAdvance> Hello
Jun 30 16:36:00 <torchie> that'd be fly
Jun 30 16:36:04 <torchie> whoa crap
Jun 30 16:36:04 <CTLAdvance> Can anyone read this?
Jun 30 16:36:06 <torchie> scrolled up to
Jun 30 16:36:13 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: no
Jun 30 16:36:15 <torchie> too far
Jun 30 16:36:18 * CTLAdvance trying out kvirc
Jun 30 16:36:18 <torchie> i can read it
Jun 30 16:36:21 <CTLAdvance> thanks
Jun 30 16:36:22 <torchie> kvirc?
Jun 30 16:36:40 <CTLAdvance> Yeah KVIrc its an OS and free irc client
Jun 30 16:36:47 <CTLAdvance> seems to be working quite well
Jun 30 16:36:49 <LoneStar99> sugardave: raining alot, but nothing yet
Jun 30 16:36:51 <deliciousmorsel> so is libpurple
Jun 30 16:36:53 <deliciousmorsel> adium
Jun 30 16:37:02 <deliciousmorsel> or pidgin
Jun 30 16:37:04 <torchie> wait
Jun 30 16:37:07 <torchie> KVirc is an OS?
Jun 30 16:37:16 <deliciousmorsel> OS = open source
Jun 30 16:37:17 <CTLAdvance> open source
Jun 30 16:37:20 <torchie> oh.
Jun 30 16:37:30 <torchie> adium's kinda bull
Jun 30 16:37:36 <torchie> then again so is colloquy
Jun 30 16:37:38 <CTLAdvance> Although that brings up an interesting idea
Jun 30 16:37:47 <CTLAdvance> what if you had an irc oriented os
Jun 30 16:37:49 <torchie> in terms of mem sage
Jun 30 16:37:52 <sugardave> oh no
Jun 30 16:37:58 <torchie> heck yeah!
Jun 30 16:38:03 <torchie> messaging operating system
Jun 30 16:38:56 <sugardave> you could call it Eisley
Jun 30 16:39:01 <sugardave> MOS: Eisley
Jun 30 16:39:03 <sugardave> har
Jun 30 16:39:11 <CTLAdvance> or ircos
Jun 30 16:39:16 <CTLAdvance> then ircos theta
Jun 30 16:41:52 <torchie> wow so firefox's memory usage actually is worse than safari's
Jun 30 16:43:36 <kesne> Hey all!
Jun 30 16:44:17 <CTLAdvance> Yeah firefox is a joke at the moment. However the newer build of mozilla is pretty decent
Jun 30 16:44:56 <kesne> Where is Dawm?
Jun 30 16:45:22 <CTLAdvance> Kesne did I hear your making something about black holes?
Jun 30 16:45:47 <kesne> CTLAdvance: It was rejected by Palm, so not anymore.
Jun 30 16:45:59 <CTLAdvance> what was it
Jun 30 16:46:00 <kesne> They said it was "inappropriate"
Jun 30 16:46:04 <CTLAdvance> oh
Jun 30 16:46:06 <CTLAdvance> :D
Jun 30 16:46:08 <kesne> </lame black hole sexual joke>
Jun 30 16:46:15 <kesne> But really, yes, I am, why?
Jun 30 16:46:39 <kesne> Also, it's you're, not your.
Jun 30 16:46:49 <CTLAdvance> who cares
Jun 30 16:47:32 <kesne> ?
Jun 30 16:47:47 <dohtem> wow, that C&D letter from Sony to Mobile 1UP is harsh!
Jun 30 16:48:20 <CTLAdvance> Sony wants you to get a psp for gaming on the go
Jun 30 16:48:28 <CTLAdvance> I doubt well see that for other platforms
Jun 30 16:48:44 <dohtem> :(
Jun 30 16:48:47 <CTLAdvance> That game is really old though isnt it
Jun 30 16:49:29 <HattCzech_work> VERY old
Jun 30 16:52:02 <dohtem> yeah, I remember that on the NES
Jun 30 16:52:40 <dohtem> hmm.. wikipedia says it's even older
Jun 30 16:53:01 <kesne> HattCzech_work!
Jun 30 16:55:08 <HattCzech_work> hey kesne!
Jun 30 16:55:19 <HattCzech_work> i've gotten quite a few downloads throughout the night
Jun 30 16:55:34 <HattCzech_work> i'm back to semi-optimistic at this point :)
Jun 30 16:55:45 <sugardave> I used to play Lemmings on DOS 5.0
Jun 30 16:56:15 <sugardave> 386SX-25 Mhz..that's right, no math co-processor
Jun 30 16:56:18 <sugardave> that shit is old
Jun 30 16:58:33 <Amaranth> dang, guess I'm going to have to use vectors if I want a dynamic number of vertices
Jun 30 16:59:01 <kesne> dawm dawm dawm dawm dawm dawm dawm
Jun 30 16:59:12 <Amaranth> or just give up on defining my levels in code and use XML or something *bleh*
Jun 30 17:00:00 <CTLAdvance> Amaranth what are you doing
Jun 30 17:01:01 <Amaranth> CTLAdvance: I want to have an array of structs that define how to draw shapes and one of the elements of the struct is an array of vertices for drawing the shape
Jun 30 17:01:04 <kesne> is MetaView here?
Jun 30 17:01:34 <Amaranth> But since complex shapes will have more vertices the array needs to be dynamic
Jun 30 17:01:49 <Amaranth> Although I suppose I could just hard code the shapes I can draw and stick an enum in there instead
Jun 30 17:02:04 <CTLAdvance> Anyone here using a pdk
Jun 30 17:02:10 <CTLAdvance> the pdk
Jun 30 17:02:12 <Amaranth> err, yeah
Jun 30 17:02:33 <kesne> I do
Jun 30 17:02:39 <kesne> I have a PDK game engine
Jun 30 17:02:51 <kesne> My computer sounds like a rocket ship right now.
Jun 30 17:03:00 <Amaranth> I have a PDK sprite+physics engine :)
Jun 30 17:03:24 <kesne> I have a complete PDK game engine :P
Jun 30 17:03:24 <kesne> Wrote it myself
Jun 30 17:03:36 <Amaranth> I'll have a game engine when I'm done, I suppose
Jun 30 17:03:49 <kesne> Mines better
Jun 30 17:03:52 <Amaranth> I've got simplistic text drawing already, just need scene management
Jun 30 17:04:38 <Amaranth> Considering dropping SDL_ttf and just using a bitmap font
Jun 30 17:04:59 <Robdor> What kind of games are you guys making with the PDK?
Jun 30 17:05:25 <Amaranth> I'll tell you later :P
Jun 30 17:05:56 <Amaranth> I wish I could use the system freetype library, SDL_ttf is so limited
Jun 30 17:06:42 <HattCzech_work> can someone pull up txt group and try to register for me?
Jun 30 17:06:58 <Amaranth> eh?
Jun 30 17:07:01 <LoneStar99> Amaranth:  how difficult is it to get "hello world"  to work on WebOS
Jun 30 17:07:10 <CTLAdvance> Kesne - are you using opengl directly to generate your graphics or are you using images etc
Jun 30 17:07:16 <Amaranth> LoneStar99: Pretty easy
Jun 30 17:07:23 <CTLAdvance> Lonestar99 the samples compile pretty easy
Jun 30 17:07:39 <Amaranth> CTLAdvance: I'd say you should skip SDL for drawing, don't even try to use it
Jun 30 17:07:51 <Amaranth> It's not even hardware accelerated
Jun 30 17:07:58 <kesne> CTLAdvance: I have no idea
Jun 30 17:08:02 <kesne> I didn't write it
Jun 30 17:08:09 <CTLAdvance> then how do you have a game engine?
Jun 30 17:08:19 <kesne> I'm not the only one in KS
Jun 30 17:08:20 <CTLAdvance> you just said you wrote it yourself
Jun 30 17:08:26 <CTLAdvance> ok ok
Jun 30 17:08:33 <kesne> I lied?
Jun 30 17:08:34 <kesne> Duh
Jun 30 17:08:40 <Amaranth> KS?
Jun 30 17:08:40 <Robdor> Amaranth: You can still get good performance with SDL.  I didn't use OpenGL for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V90woECCIFM
Jun 30 17:08:57 <Robdor> Matrix transformations are where it falls apart.
Jun 30 17:09:03 <kesne> KS == Keen Studios
Jun 30 17:09:14 <CTLAdvance> Amaranth any good resources on working with images/sprites
Jun 30 17:09:16 <Amaranth> Robdor: Yeah, that demo was a great help for figuring out chipmunk
Jun 30 17:09:34 <kesne> Holy shit that's nice
Jun 30 17:09:35 <Amaranth> and my Makefile is somewhat based on the rakefile you included
Jun 30 17:10:18 <kesne> HAH
Jun 30 17:10:27 <Amaranth> Robdor: You should run the cpSpaceStep a few times each frame so the balls don't pop in to each other when you get too many
Jun 30 17:10:33 <kesne> webOSroundup has an app now
Jun 30 17:11:11 <Robdor> Amaranth: I run more integrations per step in the game I'm building now.  That chipmunk test was just something I threw together in a couple of hours to test out the hardware.
Jun 30 17:11:20 <CTLAdvance> Is the source for that demo open?
Jun 30 17:11:33 <Robdor> The physics test?
Jun 30 17:11:33 <Amaranth> Robdor: And are you still using SDL for graphics? :)
Jun 30 17:11:52 <Amaranth> It's pretty bad when you want to do alpha blending and such
Jun 30 17:12:06 <Robdor> No, I'm using OpenGL.  I do a lot of blending and rotating.  Two things that it doesn't handle very well.
Jun 30 17:12:22 <Robdor> CTLAdvance: http://github.com/robmerrell/pdk_chipmunk_test (if that is what you were referring to)
Jun 30 17:12:38 <HattCzech_work> anyone have 20 secs that i can steal from them? :)
Jun 30 17:13:25 <Robdor> Amaranth: This is a very unfinished clip of what I'm working on right now: http://www.youtube.com/user/robholio7#p/a/u/0/q5f1xqeoJoo
Jun 30 17:13:48 <Amaranth> neat
Jun 30 17:14:05 <kesne> sweetness
Jun 30 17:15:01 <Robdor> I'm glad that the PDK hot apps contest date was pushed back, because I still have a long ways to go before I'm done.
Jun 30 17:19:29 <kesne> It was also restructured
Jun 30 17:19:32 <kesne> less prizes, higher value
Jun 30 17:21:01 <Robdor> Which is too bad.  I think under the old structure there were so many prizes that most anybody who entered a PDK app would have gotten something.
Jun 30 17:23:59 <kesne> Yeah
Jun 30 17:24:03 <kesne> Which I liked! heh
Jun 30 17:29:37 <HattCzech_work> people still alive in here?
Jun 30 17:29:38 <pandora--> soooo i'm goin to india
Jun 30 17:29:42 <pandora--> woot.. i think
Jun 30 17:29:44 <HattCzech_work> guess so :)
Jun 30 17:29:48 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: hey
Jun 30 17:29:48 <HattCzech_work> india? what for?
Jun 30 17:30:43 <HattCzech_work> my stomach is grumbling, i'm going to grab some lunch, back in a few
Jun 30 17:33:14 <pandora--> for work
Jun 30 17:33:24 <pandora--> launching stuff there
Jun 30 17:33:32 <pandora--> easier to test if i'm actually there
Jun 30 17:33:50 <kesne> I hate india
Jun 30 17:34:28 <pandora--> i've never been
Jun 30 17:34:40 <pandora--> kesne: you've been there? any tips?
Jun 30 17:36:21 <kesne> I've not been there
Jun 30 17:36:23 <kesne> Heh
Jun 30 17:36:30 <kesne> I'm 16, remember?
Jun 30 17:36:49 <dkirker> thankfully, traveling is age agnostic :)
Jun 30 17:37:34 <kesne> :P
Jun 30 17:38:27 <dkirker> damn it, why can't I wake up?
Jun 30 17:38:29 <pandora--> kesne: age doesn't mean much for travel
Jun 30 17:38:40 <pandora--> kesne: my wife had been to at least 4 countries by then
Jun 30 17:38:44 <kesne> Psh
Jun 30 17:38:50 <kesne> Well, I actually travel a lot
Jun 30 17:38:53 <kesne> but not to india
Jun 30 17:38:54 <kesne> bleh
Jun 30 17:38:56 <pandora--> I didn't do my travelling until I could afford it myself at about 21
Jun 30 17:39:18 <pandora--> just around the US before then
Jun 30 17:39:38 <dkirker> anybody want to go on a trip to Germany? :D I'm dying to go to Germany, I just don't have the money right now. :(
Jun 30 17:39:46 <kesne> Ask MetaView
Jun 30 17:39:50 <pandora--> germany is awesome
Jun 30 17:39:57 <kesne> MetaView lives there
Jun 30 17:40:13 <dkirker> I know :)
Jun 30 17:40:56 <kesne> Anybody have the new Keane EP?
Jun 30 17:41:01 <DThought> dkirker: its hot here.
Jun 30 17:41:05 <DThought> today at least
Jun 30 17:41:26 <dkirker> I had the opportunity to go to a convention last week and only pay travel expenses. Sadly, I didn't have the $1k airplane tickets. :(
Jun 30 17:41:47 <dkirker> DThought: boo :( It has been nice here. Kinda warm yesterday, and today I suspect.
Jun 30 17:42:05 <dkirker> I really want to go to Germany during the overcast muggy weather. :)
Jun 30 17:42:12 <HattCzech_work> dkirker: i'm in
Jun 30 17:42:15 <kesne> It's nice today where I'm at
Jun 30 17:42:23 <HattCzech_work> been to germany twice
Jun 30 17:42:28 <HattCzech_work> it was cool
Jun 30 17:42:41 <halfhalo_pre> it's like 75 here.  gotta love socal
Jun 30 17:43:00 <dkirker> I want to check out the beer gardens that MetaView was telling me about.
Jun 30 17:43:14 <dkirker> haeffb_pre: 66 right now in SLO B-)
Jun 30 17:43:51 <kesne> I need to find fellow Portland devs
Jun 30 17:47:07 <halfhalo_pre> I just want flash
Jun 30 17:51:12 <pandora--> halfhalo_pre: where in socal are you again?
Jun 30 17:51:29 <pandora--> i'm hanging out in santa monica for today
Jun 30 17:51:35 <dkirker> All of this talk of travel and location reminds me that it is almost time for me to make another trip up to the Bay Area. :)
Jun 30 17:51:46 <pandora--> yuuuup me too
Jun 30 17:52:11 <dkirker> maybe the weekend after the 4th
Jun 30 17:52:38 <halfhalo_pre> I'm near csun
Jun 30 17:56:08 <anivrom> Hey guys, I'm having a problem using canvas and widgets in the same scene.
Jun 30 17:57:01 <pandora--> halfhalo_pre: ah right right
Jun 30 17:59:25 <anivrom> anyone? lol
Jun 30 17:59:38 <HattCzech_work> haven't used canvas
Jun 30 17:59:43 <HattCzech_work> so i'll be of no help
Jun 30 17:59:52 <pandora--> not it
Jun 30 18:00:56 <halfhalo_pre> no se ingles
Jun 30 18:03:40 <anivrom> blah
Jun 30 18:05:17 <halfhalo_pre> bingo was his name-o?
Jun 30 18:05:24 <halfhalo_pre> I no use canvas
Jun 30 18:05:52 <HattCzech_work> halfhalo_pre: do you have my app installed?
Jun 30 18:06:36 <halfhalo_pre> nein. only basics right now
Jun 30 18:06:40 <CTLAdvance> canvas has issues with other ui elements
Jun 30 18:06:48 <CTLAdvance> its best to keep the canvas on the scene itself
Jun 30 18:06:59 <CTLAdvance> and have another for ui elements widgets etc
Jun 30 18:07:03 <HattCzech_work> care to install it and test something for me? :)
Jun 30 18:07:21 <anivrom> its frustrating the heck out of me. I'm using ares web ODE and when I use a canvas element and then put a div on the screen in dev time any position I give to my widgets gets pushed down in runtime as many pixels as my canvas is defined.
Jun 30 18:07:25 <HattCzech_work> and give me an extra download ;) (unless you've already downloaded it)
Jun 30 18:07:49 <CTLAdvance> yep thats how it works
Jun 30 18:08:13 <CTLAdvance> actually maybe it isnt
Jun 30 18:08:19 <CTLAdvance> it was doing that to me before
Jun 30 18:08:21 <halfhalo_pre> I can't now but later yeah
Jun 30 18:08:23 <CTLAdvance> let me see if it still is
Jun 30 18:08:26 <anivrom> so I can't layout my app cause it gets fusged when I start the program
Jun 30 18:08:35 <HattCzech_work> okay, cool
Jun 30 18:08:40 <Amaranth> Robdor: I've been trying to do that neon effect for my artwork for days, how did you do it?
Jun 30 18:08:41 <HattCzech_work> thanks
Jun 30 18:08:44 <CTLAdvance> what are the divs?
Jun 30 18:09:04 <anivrom> just standard divs from the UI tab of ares
Jun 30 18:09:06 <CTLAdvance> you can always draw stuff right into the canvas
Jun 30 18:09:59 <Robdor> Amaranth: I used pixelmator.  I draw a white line then create a larger colored line behind it and do a gaussian blur.
Jun 30 18:10:04 <anivrom> I know But I want to take advantage of the simplicity of ares and be able to setup the majority of my app in dev time,
Jun 30 18:10:42 <Robdor> I tried using OpenGL to draw the line, but the lack of shape aliasing made it pretty ugly whenever it needed to rotate.
Jun 30 18:11:01 <anivrom> anyways I gotta go so guess I'll have to figure it out later
Jun 30 18:12:03 <pandora--> yeah, that's pretty much how I did the neon effect for Clubber: http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/clubber
Jun 30 18:13:03 <pandora--> http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/public/2422/en/images/1/L/screen_1.png
Jun 30 18:13:08 <pandora--> direct img.. better
Jun 30 18:13:23 <Robdor> That looks great
Jun 30 18:13:43 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 30 18:14:17 <MisterABC> Will the hotapps list be updated today?
Jun 30 18:14:22 <HattCzech_work> pandora--, Robdor: do either of you have my app installed?
Jun 30 18:14:42 <pandora--> which app?
Jun 30 18:14:45 <HattCzech_work> MisterABC: not sure... it is the last day
Jun 30 18:14:47 <HattCzech_work> TXT Group
Jun 30 18:14:51 <pandora--> nope
Jun 30 18:14:55 <Robdor> I don't
Jun 30 18:15:15 <HattCzech_work> would either of you care to test something out real quick?
Jun 30 18:15:20 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: do you have any of mine installed?
Jun 30 18:15:25 <Robdor> Sure
Jun 30 18:15:26 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: $$
Jun 30 18:15:29 <HattCzech_work> (or both, i could use the downloads) :)
Jun 30 18:15:50 <HattCzech_work> are they free? tunewiki is one, right?
Jun 30 18:16:02 <pandora--> TuneWiki, iHate411, iBored, Yalm
Jun 30 18:16:15 <pandora--> none of which are free... BUT 50% :D
Jun 30 18:16:48 <pandora--> i can test txt group for you if you want, downloading now
Jun 30 18:17:12 <HattCzech_work> okay, thanks
Jun 30 18:17:30 <HattCzech_work> i'll probably use tunewiki
Jun 30 18:17:39 <HattCzech_work> not sure if i'd use the others :)
Jun 30 18:19:34 <pandora--> doin some work on tunewiki today
Jun 30 18:19:35 <HattCzech_work> rwhitby: when you wake up... yak appears to use the standard palm style
Jun 30 18:19:54 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: iHate411 is probably the most popular of my apps, people really like it
Jun 30 18:20:03 <pandora--> I use it myself, that's why i put it out
Jun 30 18:20:27 <pandora--> txtgroup downloaded...
Jun 30 18:20:55 <HattCzech_work> go to help... and try to register
Jun 30 18:22:24 <pandora--> where is register?
Jun 30 18:22:29 <pandora--> help-> ..?
Jun 30 18:22:54 <HattCzech_work> top menu
Jun 30 18:23:03 <HattCzech_work> ohhh sorry
Jun 30 18:23:07 <HattCzech_work> remove ads
Jun 30 18:24:42 <pandora--> ok
Jun 30 18:24:51 <pandora--> says registration unsuccessful, please try again later
Jun 30 18:24:51 <Robdor> HattCzech_work: I would replace the ok button with a cancel button when removing the ads.  It wasn't really clear which I was supposed to press.
Jun 30 18:25:03 <pandora--> heh yeah
Jun 30 18:25:04 <pandora--> that too
Jun 30 18:25:13 <Robdor> I got the same error message
Jun 30 18:25:56 <HattCzech_work> okay, cool
Jun 30 18:25:58 <HattCzech_work> it works, then
Jun 30 18:26:07 <HattCzech_work> and i'll update that for the next version
Jun 30 18:26:24 <pandora--> cool
Jun 30 18:27:47 <HattCzech_work> anyone else here have something up on precentral and palm app catalog?
Jun 30 18:28:34 <haeffb_wirc> HattCzech_work: yes
Jun 30 18:32:16 <HattCzech_work> haeffb_wirc: do you have them linked under 'my apps' on precentral?
Jun 30 18:32:17 <lyht> HattCzech_work: you mean the same app? Or one app on precentral, and one in the catalog?
Jun 30 18:32:34 <HattCzech_work> one on precentral, one in app catalog
Jun 30 18:32:52 <HattCzech_work> i'm trying to see if i can get the one in the app catalog linked in 'your apps'
Jun 30 18:32:56 <haeffb_wirc> one is
Jun 30 18:33:54 <lyht> So I need some help with the download manager. It is doing very odd stuff.
Jun 30 18:34:09 <haeffb_wirc> haven't bothered with the other
Jun 30 18:34:43 <HattCzech_work> haeffb_wirc: so the one on precentral is linked... is the one from the app catalog also linked?
Jun 30 18:35:14 <lyht> sometimes is seems to think my filename has changed. It starts by thinking the file is names s1.jpg (which is what I told it that it should be) but then on the next progress hit, it thinks it is .s1.jpg
Jun 30 18:35:25 <lyht> with a dot on the front.
Jun 30 18:35:44 <haeffb_wirc> one app is in both & both versions are in 'my apps'
Jun 30 18:36:14 <haeffb_wirc> other app is in both but only precentral version is in 'my apps'
Jun 30 18:36:34 <HattCzech_work> hmmm... how do you link to an app catalog app?
Jun 30 18:36:56 <lyht> and of course that file doesn't exist, so I get a false (code 11) in response.completed
Jun 30 18:38:33 <kesne> HattCzech_work: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=appId
Jun 30 18:38:43 <codeslaw> i wish 1.5 was coming out soon, as opposed to 1.4.5
Jun 30 18:38:54 <kesne> Just wait for 2.0
Jun 30 18:39:17 <codeslaw> i can wait, but will all the pre-owners do the same?
Jun 30 18:39:39 <kesne> course not
Jun 30 18:39:52 <codeslaw> i'm up for an upgrade on sprint myself, and that evo keeps looking me
Jun 30 18:40:07 <kesne> Get the Epic 4G
Jun 30 18:41:10 <HattCzech_work> kesne: i got that much, i meant in the 'your apps' section of precetnral
Jun 30 18:41:13 <HattCzech_work> precentral*
Jun 30 18:41:50 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw: i keep eyeing it as well
Jun 30 18:42:59 <bougyman> has anyone tried booting http://omappedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Android yet?
Jun 30 18:44:02 <kesne> HattCzech_work: What?
Jun 30 18:44:39 <HattCzech_work> on precentral, there's a 'your apps' section in the top right when you're logged in
Jun 30 18:44:50 <kesne> Aye
Jun 30 18:44:52 <HattCzech_work> i'm trying to link my app catalog app in there
Jun 30 18:45:01 <kesne> Dieter does it
Jun 30 18:45:35 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, okay
Jun 30 18:45:58 <HattCzech_work> so i'll need to talk to him about it
Jun 30 18:46:31 <kesne> yep
Jun 30 18:48:00 <HattCzech_work> alrighty
Jun 30 18:48:08 <HattCzech_work> on another note: forums...
Jun 30 18:48:28 <HattCzech_work> i have a homebrew app... and i have a developer forum...
Jun 30 18:48:45 <HattCzech_work> should i link a post in the developer forum to the homebrew forum... or vice versa?
Jun 30 18:49:43 <HattCzech_work> http://forums.precentral.net/hattczech-solutions
Jun 30 18:56:13 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm... What would cause margin to be ignore on an element?
Jun 30 18:56:19 <Roy-Pre101> *ignored
Jun 30 18:56:30 <haeffb_wirc> HattCzech_work: they can move the homebrew thread to your dev forum
Jun 30 18:56:57 <HattCzech_work> okay, and should i do that? and just link the previous one to the one in the dev forum?
Jun 30 18:57:23 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe clear:both; ?
Jun 30 18:59:27 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: perhaps another class getting applied after yours...if it's a widget or something
Jun 30 18:59:33 <oil> HattCzech_work: has his own forum?
Jun 30 18:59:36 <sugardave> but I don't know about clear
Jun 30 18:59:39 <oil> 3 posts!?
Jun 30 19:00:03 <Roy-Pre101> It's a specific div and I'm styling it directly.  Other styling shouldn't affect it.  Hmm, unless.
Jun 30 19:01:03 <Roy-Pre101> nope...  Nothing in the html overriding it.
Jun 30 19:01:25 <oil> !important ?
Jun 30 19:01:31 <Roy-Pre101> hmm, I'll try that.
Jun 30 19:01:33 <halfhalo_class> hmmmm
Jun 30 19:01:49 <halfhalo_class> Innnnteresting........
Jun 30 19:02:27 * oil won an ebay auction for steel battalion this morning :)
Jun 30 19:05:54 <Roy-Pre101> !important got it
Jun 30 19:06:00 <oil> yay
Jun 30 19:06:39 <sugardave> I always read that as "not important" and it messes with me
Jun 30 19:06:55 <oil> yeah
Jun 30 19:08:01 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Yep, that confused me for so long
Jun 30 19:08:17 <oil> the ! should have been on the other side :)
Jun 30 19:08:27 <oil> color: black important!;
Jun 30 19:08:40 <sugardave> no doubt...I guess they did consider programmers when they came up with that one :D
Jun 30 19:08:44 <sugardave> didn't
Jun 30 19:10:49 <HattCzech_work> i know, right, oil!? impressive, eh? ;)
Jun 30 19:11:23 <sugardave> I got to 2 _pages_ with Yule Log on PreCentral :P
Jun 30 19:11:26 <HattCzech_work> (2/3 posts are mine) :) haha
Jun 30 19:17:04 <MetaView> hi
Jun 30 19:18:02 <pandora--> hi
Jun 30 19:18:26 <MetaView> spaz always stops working the day after I installed it
Jun 30 19:18:37 <MetaView> but funkatron isn't here, or?
Jun 30 19:18:38 <sugardave> hmm, so AppBookShop....that's one of the hated, yeah?
Jun 30 19:18:56 <MetaView> AppBookShop, is it yours?
Jun 30 19:18:59 <funkatron> MetaView: I might need a little more to go on.
Jun 30 19:19:07 <sugardave> no, but they have a job they want done
Jun 30 19:19:26 <sugardave> I just got their source so I can "prepare a bid"
Jun 30 19:19:28 <MetaView> funkatron: when I install a new version or remove the old version, it works the first time
Jun 30 19:19:28 <dpivs> hello friends!
Jun 30 19:19:33 <MetaView> later it stops working
Jun 30 19:19:34 <sugardave> this shit is ugly, to boot
Jun 30 19:19:38 <MetaView> it hangs on refresh
Jun 30 19:19:42 <funkatron> okay
Jun 30 19:19:50 <funkatron> have you tried clearing the cache?
Jun 30 19:19:57 <MetaView> no
Jun 30 19:20:01 <MetaView> how do it?
Jun 30 19:20:06 <funkatron> Check the Preferences
Jun 30 19:20:18 <funkatron> scroll to bottom, click "clear cache"
Jun 30 19:20:30 <dkirker> hi MetaView
Jun 30 19:20:45 <MetaView> it's hard to go to prefs if the whole app isn't responging anymore
Jun 30 19:20:49 <MetaView> hi dkirker-test
Jun 30 19:20:52 <MetaView> -test :D
Jun 30 19:20:52 <funkatron> then something else is wrong
Jun 30 19:21:03 <MetaView> oh, this time it works
Jun 30 19:21:05 <funkatron> this is what "more information" would entail: like, what's happening.
Jun 30 19:21:10 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 30 19:21:24 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: yes, AppBookShop is hated
Jun 30 19:21:32 <haeffb_wirc> Roy-Pre101: did you get the gesture-a last night?
Jun 30 19:21:38 * sugardave ponders.
Jun 30 19:21:46 <sugardave> I like money
Jun 30 19:21:58 <MetaView> funkatron: it's hard to give more infos if it just hangs on update and doesn't do anythign anymore..
Jun 30 19:22:04 <funkatron> see, that's the more info!
Jun 30 19:22:10 <sugardave> but, I would feel bad enabling app spammers IF the app is not quality
Jun 30 19:22:11 <funkatron> more than "it stops working"
Jun 30 19:22:23 <MetaView> well, but only a bit more :)
Jun 30 19:22:24 <sugardave> decisions decisions
Jun 30 19:22:35 <funkatron> MetaView: you'd be surprised how much that tells me.
Jun 30 19:22:40 <MetaView> ok
Jun 30 19:22:57 <MetaView> wasn't there something to implement WebOS lists in spaz?
Jun 30 19:23:26 <sugardave> it might as well be me, since the other interested party is some Russian sweatshop app dev team
Jun 30 19:23:34 <sugardave> I can't let the Russians win
Jun 30 19:23:50 <funkatron> MetaView: I'm more worried about how clearing the cache works out for you atm than adding new features
Jun 30 19:23:57 <kesne> I saw MetaView
Jun 30 19:23:58 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: interesting choices
Jun 30 19:24:07 <kesne> Hey, it's funkatron
Jun 30 19:24:11 <funkatron> hello
Jun 30 19:24:17 <MetaView> funkatron: will keep an eye on it
Jun 30 19:24:24 <kesne> I'm debating if I should help with Spaz or not
Jun 30 19:24:50 <funkatron> MetaView: thanks. and you can file support requests at http://help.getspaz.com. Just give as much detail as you can. It's really hard to replicate a lot of the weird issues that can happen on mobile devices
Jun 30 19:24:55 <haeffb_wirc> kesne:  of course you should
Jun 30 19:25:00 <kesne> I know I should
Jun 30 19:25:07 <kesne> but I also want to work on my own apps
Jun 30 19:25:26 <MetaView> pdk post-poned to 16th?
Jun 30 19:25:29 <kesne> Aye
Jun 30 19:25:32 <kesne> For good reasons
Jun 30 19:25:36 <MetaView> yes
Jun 30 19:25:37 <funkatron> kesne: you should do it if you like writing software. do be aware that you could use any of the code you write for Spaz (or SpazCore, the component library) in your own apps too
Jun 30 19:26:14 <kesne> Unfortunetly, my apps aren't quite like that
Jun 30 19:26:19 <kesne> I develop games, mostly
Jun 30 19:26:22 <sugardave> oh my...this app REALLY sucks
Jun 30 19:26:53 <funkatron> kesne: I dig. do what you wanna do, ya know? But even an hour of work will make a difference
Jun 30 19:27:07 <funkatron> and we have hackathons to get together and code. it's a lot of fun
Jun 30 19:28:18 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: which app?
Jun 30 19:28:34 <HattCzech_work> funkatron: i'm interested if i can find the time
Jun 30 19:29:02 <kesne> funkatron: I really want to help, it's just a matter of finding the time for it.
Jun 30 19:29:02 <sugardave> holy shit, $4 for this?  they have to be out of their minds!
Jun 30 19:29:05 <funkatron> HattCzech_work: half hour to an hour. our last hackathon will be July 10, but you can obviously work on it before then
Jun 30 19:29:10 <kesne> dave: what app?
Jun 30 19:29:22 <funkatron> I don't think I've ever heard a person say "I have plenty of time, and will help you!"
Jun 30 19:29:34 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
Jun 30 19:29:37 <sugardave> I'm looking at the source for "How to Reduce Stress at Work and at Home"
Jun 30 19:29:45 <sugardave> if the dev is in here, I'm sorry
Jun 30 19:29:48 <sugardave> but damn
Jun 30 19:29:52 <HattCzech_work> i might soon, as i've been asked to only work 40 hours a week
Jun 30 19:30:00 <HattCzech_work> which gives me a whole day of no work ;)
Jun 30 19:30:15 <funkatron> It's really a matter of, if you want to do it -- if you're motivated --  you find the time. If you don't, that's fine. But like I said, you can work on it for 60 minutes and be a big help.
Jun 30 19:30:33 <HattCzech_work> i'm willing to try and learn
Jun 30 19:30:42 <HattCzech_work> and maybe get a phone if i'm lucky ;)
Jun 30 19:30:48 <funkatron> exactly 8)
Jun 30 19:30:53 <kesne> funkatron: I also need to find things to actually work on
Jun 30 19:31:15 <MetaView> I have quite some settings I don't really like in spaz :)
Jun 30 19:31:48 <funkatron> MetaView: as a PHP t-shirt I like says, "Less Bitching, More Coding" ;)
Jun 30 19:32:06 <oil> haha
Jun 30 19:32:11 <kesne> Hehe
Jun 30 19:32:16 <kesne> Oh look, it's oil again
Jun 30 19:32:23 <kesne> Aren't you supposed to be in the gulf?
Jun 30 19:32:27 <oil> :/
Jun 30 19:32:34 <pandora--> da dum pshhh
Jun 30 19:32:42 <oil> other channels i lurk in keep mentioning me
Jun 30 19:32:46 <oil> and im all "oh?"
Jun 30 19:32:49 <funkatron> haha
Jun 30 19:32:49 <oil> "oh..."
Jun 30 19:32:54 <sugardave> heh
Jun 30 19:32:57 <funkatron> weak
Jun 30 19:33:02 <MetaView> Fxxk we have a new president, the wrong one
Jun 30 19:33:25 <sugardave> it's not George Bush is it?
Jun 30 19:33:28 <sugardave> II
Jun 30 19:33:28 <MetaView> no
Jun 30 19:33:31 <sugardave> lucky
Jun 30 19:33:42 <MetaView> not that dangerous
Jun 30 19:33:54 <MetaView> mostly harmless, but still not my favorite
Jun 30 19:34:11 <MetaView> funny, not the favorite of the majority of the Germans, but still elected...
Jun 30 19:34:21 <sugardave> hmmm....that sounds familiar....
Jun 30 19:34:48 <dohtem> lmao sugardave
Jun 30 19:36:02 <MetaView> but our President is harmless, he is like the queen in England, just to make people laugh
Jun 30 19:38:39 <Roy-Pre101> What's the funciton to pop up a message in the notification?
Jun 30 19:38:46 <oil> banner?
Jun 30 19:39:07 <MetaView> showbanner
Jun 30 19:39:09 <kesne> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().showBanner("Blarg",   {source: 'notification'});
Jun 30 19:39:43 <discombobulate> hi
Jun 30 19:39:48 <kesne> Hi
Jun 30 19:40:03 <Roy-Pre101> Excellent.  Not documented on webos101.com
Jun 30 19:40:22 <kesne> Credit me
Jun 30 19:40:42 <oil> lol
Jun 30 19:40:58 <kesne> lolol
Jun 30 19:41:07 <Roy-Pre101> kesne: If you write it.
Jun 30 19:41:12 <kesne> :O
Jun 30 19:41:15 <kesne> But mom!
Jun 30 19:41:16 <Roy-Pre101> You still haven't written all the crap you were supposed to write up!
Jun 30 19:41:23 <kesne> Didn't I write something?
Jun 30 19:41:28 <oil> write?
Jun 30 19:41:29 <kesne> I remember writing something on there....
Jun 30 19:41:39 <oil> just goto developer.palm.com, search banner, copy/paste
Jun 30 19:41:45 <kesne> Hehe
Jun 30 19:41:51 <pandora--> yup
Jun 30 19:41:56 <pandora--> banners are easy
Jun 30 19:41:56 <oil> yeah, kesnes writing is just going around putting
Jun 30 19:41:58 <oil> "by kesne"
Jun 30 19:42:02 <oil> on all the pages
Jun 30 19:42:06 <pandora--> notification dashboards are more of a pain
Jun 30 19:42:07 <halfhalo_class> Its an awesome plan
Jun 30 19:42:15 <dkirker> I have crap that I am supposed to write up for doing hybrid JS/PDK apps...
Jun 30 19:42:30 <halfhalo_class> I don't know how to write
Jun 30 19:42:51 <dkirker> I just bang on the keyboard like a monkey until the right words are formed
Jun 30 19:43:45 <oil> sounds like that would takea  long time
Jun 30 19:44:22 <kesne> There
Jun 30 19:44:25 <kesne> I editied the main page
Jun 30 19:44:30 <oil> "by kesne"?
Jun 30 19:44:44 <halfhalo_class> I would lol
Jun 30 19:46:29 <kesne> http://webos101.com/Main_Page
Jun 30 19:46:47 <halfhalo_class> HA
Jun 30 19:46:50 <oil> nice
Jun 30 19:47:17 <Roy-Pre101> kesne: fix that crap or you don't get a fixed logout.
Jun 30 19:47:19 <dkirker> LOL
Jun 30 19:47:29 <kesne> Fine
Jun 30 19:47:38 <oil> hahaha
Jun 30 19:47:42 <kesne> There
Jun 30 19:48:03 <kesne> Is should just write "Kesne Waz Here" on every page
Jun 30 19:48:11 <halfhalo_class> Do it in white letters
Jun 30 19:48:18 <kesne> Hehe
Jun 30 19:48:19 <dkirker> lol
Jun 30 19:48:38 <halfhalo_class> arg
Jun 30 19:48:41 <halfhalo_class> meeeting
Jun 30 19:48:49 <halfhalo_class> about it safety
Jun 30 19:48:55 <dkirker> alright, so, I think that I have a day off on Monday. If somebody nags me, I'll make a sample PDK hybrid app and put it on webos101
Jun 30 19:49:04 * halfhalo_class will bbl after this retarted meeting
Jun 30 19:49:26 <oil> monday is holiday
Jun 30 19:49:34 <dkirker> yes
Jun 30 19:49:35 <dohtem> halfhalo_class: meetings are opportunites for shenanigans!
Jun 30 19:49:52 <dkirker> or naps!
Jun 30 19:49:53 <oil> meetings get in the way of writing code
Jun 30 19:50:05 <kesne> So on the "$$" page, I wrote this
Jun 30 19:50:05 <kesne> Money, also referred to as $, $$, or $$$, is the reason why you are here, and the only reason why sane people develop applications (for open source developers, see "Mental Disorder").
Jun 30 19:50:18 <dkirker> I mean... <in most serious voice> You should always pay attention in meetings. :/
Jun 30 19:50:31 <kesne> What do you think?
Jun 30 19:50:34 <dkirker> LOL
Jun 30 19:50:52 <dkirker> I must be psychotic then...
Jun 30 19:51:12 <kesne> I'm sorry you had to find out this way...
Jun 30 19:51:17 <dkirker> plugin will be open source, but JS won't be... %-/
Jun 30 19:52:02 <dohtem> is there a Remember the Milk app yet for webOS?
Jun 30 19:52:17 <dkirker> RTFM, I think?
Jun 30 19:52:28 <dkirker> I'm not sure if that is homebrew or not, cannot remember
Jun 30 19:52:37 <kesne> Remember The Fucking Milk?
Jun 30 19:52:50 <dkirker> or Fine Milk :/
Jun 30 19:53:05 <oil> ferret milk?
Jun 30 19:53:07 <dohtem> Fox milk
Jun 30 19:53:11 <oil> lol
Jun 30 19:53:16 <dohtem> beat me to it
Jun 30 19:53:26 <dkirker> http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/beta/rtfm-app-for-remember-the-milk
Jun 30 19:53:31 <dkirker> Flea Milk!!
Jun 30 19:54:05 <kesne> http://webos101.com/Button
Jun 30 19:54:06 <kesne> I wrote that
Jun 30 19:59:46 <oil> lol
Jun 30 20:00:55 <oil> ill make a page about how to help yourself
Jun 30 20:00:58 <oil> with a link to google
Jun 30 20:01:06 <oil> haha
Jun 30 20:01:13 <HattCzech_work> hahah
Jun 30 20:01:20 <oil> thats how i help kesne with his apps
Jun 30 20:01:36 <HattCzech_work> looks like precentral and webosroundup won't be posting about my app today :/
Jun 30 20:01:40 <HattCzech_work> unfortunately
Jun 30 20:01:47 <oil> :/
Jun 30 20:01:58 <kesne> :(
Jun 30 20:02:00 <kesne> Sorry mate
Jun 30 20:02:10 * oil is buying steel battalion with his palmhotapps winnings
Jun 30 20:02:10 <kesne> OH SNAP
Jun 30 20:02:11 <HattCzech_work> well, they still might, just won't help me much in downloads
Jun 30 20:02:12 <kesne> Okay
Jun 30 20:02:30 <kesne> HattCzech_work: Write a press release real quick, and send it to david
Jun 30 20:02:32 <HattCzech_work> oil: what's that?
Jun 30 20:02:34 <kesne> He'll post it
Jun 30 20:02:38 <oil> an xbox 1 game
Jun 30 20:02:46 <HattCzech_work> press release?
Jun 30 20:02:52 <oil> with a 36 button controller
Jun 30 20:03:03 <HattCzech_work> jeebus, that's a lot of buttons :)
Jun 30 20:03:07 <HattCzech_work> example?
Jun 30 20:03:23 <oil> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Steel_Battalion_controllers.jpg
Jun 30 20:03:43 <HattCzech_work> something like "App Update: ToDo Classic gets an update!" ?
Jun 30 20:04:41 <HattCzech_work> is that what you're referring to, kesne?
Jun 30 20:05:19 <HattCzech_work> whoa... that's a whole rig to play the game
Jun 30 20:05:24 <oil> haha
Jun 30 20:05:29 <oil> if you crash/blow up
Jun 30 20:05:32 <oil> it resets your game
Jun 30 20:05:41 <oil> you have to hit the eject button before you die to keep your save
Jun 30 20:05:43 <HattCzech_work> wow
Jun 30 20:05:57 <HattCzech_work> impressive
Jun 30 20:06:00 <oil> haha
Jun 30 20:06:07 * oil cant wait to play it
Jun 30 20:08:57 <kesne> http://webos101.com/Banner_Notifications
Jun 30 20:09:47 <HattCzech_work> kesne: were you referring to the "App Update: ToDo Classic gets an update!" type of post as a "press release"?
Jun 30 20:10:02 <kesne> Yeah
Jun 30 20:11:59 <MetaView> what's the coorect path to refer to an image from your scene's html file, like in <img src=...> ?
Jun 30 20:12:06 <kesne> oil: I did what you said: http://webos101.com/Banner_Notifications
Jun 30 20:12:07 <MetaView> o/r
Jun 30 20:12:31 <kesne> MetaView: src="app/views/blah-scene/img.png"?
Jun 30 20:12:45 <MetaView> the image is in images
Jun 30 20:12:56 <kesne> src="images/img.png"
Jun 30 20:12:57 <oil> lol @ putting checkers ad in the middle of the documentation
Jun 30 20:13:04 <kesne> oil: Hehe
Jun 30 20:13:22 <kesne> I just had to
Jun 30 20:13:23 <MetaView> never remember what the cwd is, thx
Jun 30 20:16:00 <sugardave> oh man, I need some air...wife is spray painting moulding outside my office
Jun 30 20:17:26 <MetaView> new update to UberAppCat
Jun 30 20:20:08 <HattCzech_work> kesne: i'll write that up now... msg me david's email (i think i have it, just want to make sure)
Jun 30 20:35:42 <HattCzech_work> kesne: sent david an e-mail
Jun 30 20:35:51 <kesne> Cool
Jun 30 20:36:08 <HattCzech_work> now i'm watching the clock ;)
Jun 30 20:36:30 <kesne> oil: This is what I imagine you to look like:
Jun 30 20:36:31 <kesne> http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/icon.png
Jun 30 20:36:44 <oil> lol
Jun 30 20:36:54 <oil> im not bald
Jun 30 20:36:56 <funkatron> oh good god
Jun 30 20:37:09 <oil> infact, my hair almost touches my shoulders
Jun 30 20:37:38 <oil> though its getting way too hot for it, and im thinking about getting it cut
Jun 30 20:38:12 <HattCzech_work> donate it
Jun 30 20:38:27 <HattCzech_work> or sell it, since we know you'll make more on your hair than in development ;)
Jun 30 20:39:12 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: could you have someone look at this? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=7675
Jun 30 20:39:32 <oil> i donated it to locksoflove last time i got it cut
Jun 30 20:39:38 <oil> and got the cut for free, haha
Jun 30 20:39:42 <chuqui> I'll see what I cand o
Jun 30 20:40:14 <kesne> oil: so more like this:
Jun 30 20:40:16 <kesne> http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/Monster.png
Jun 30 20:51:29 <halfhalo_class> lulz
Jun 30 20:51:51 <dkirker> lol
Jun 30 20:52:06 <halfhalo_class> I got ice cream at the meeting
Jun 30 20:52:09 <halfhalo_class> made me happy
Jun 30 20:52:15 <halfhalo_class> then I snuck out
Jun 30 20:53:01 <oil> lol
Jun 30 20:53:20 <HattCzech_work> halfhalo_class: nice!
Jun 30 20:53:25 <halfhalo_class> the meeting was basically to tell peeps what not to do on campus computers
Jun 30 20:53:45 <sugardave> rules?  wtf?
Jun 30 20:54:00 <dkirker> I hate those meetings... we had to do an online training for that at Cal Poly
Jun 30 20:54:00 <halfhalo_class> I basically do everything they say dont
Jun 30 20:54:16 <halfhalo_class> oh, Im not doing the online on
Jun 30 20:54:26 <halfhalo_class> ignoring the wmails about it
Jun 30 20:54:34 <dkirker> I did it to stop the emails...
Jun 30 20:54:46 <sugardave> also referred to as The Big List of Challenges
Jun 30 20:55:36 <halfhalo_class> One of them was "Don't plug in non campus computers into the ethernet network"
Jun 30 20:55:48 <halfhalo_class> Bah, I need to to stream mah world cup
Jun 30 20:56:10 <halfhalo_class> which also breaks the "dont use the campus equipment for personal enjoyment"
Jun 30 20:56:34 <halfhalo_class> AKA don't use the ceiling projector for steaming the world cup
Jun 30 20:56:47 <dohtem> http://www.ca.gov/appsforcalifornians/  - State of California App contest
Jun 30 20:57:08 <halfhalo_class> Another was "don't use file sharing tools over the campus networks"
Jun 30 20:57:10 <dohtem> halfhalo_class: did you already use the projector for WC games?
Jun 30 20:57:16 <funkatron> yeah, that's what CA needs to do: have a "gold rush" on gov't funds
Jun 30 20:57:26 <halfhalo_class> Bah, I needs mah top gear
Jun 30 20:57:27 <sugardave> don't use network file sharing on the network
Jun 30 20:57:30 <sugardave> no
Jun 30 20:57:34 <sugardave> that's dumb
Jun 30 20:57:34 <dohtem> funkatron: Meg Whitman will fix everything
Jun 30 20:57:50 <halfhalo_class> yes, I already used the projector for world cup games
Jun 30 20:57:51 <funkatron> muahaha. I don't even live there and I know that won't happen
Jun 30 20:58:54 <dkirker> halfhalo_class: really? Man, we always use the projects for that crap.
Jun 30 20:59:51 <halfhalo_class> Good news though is I got webos on the compatible mobile list
Jun 30 21:00:01 <dohtem> I had friends in our ACM that would game on projectors on Friday nights
Jun 30 21:00:28 <halfhalo_class> Lol, I played sc on it before
Jun 30 21:00:49 <dkirker> halfhalo_class: I should see if ITS @ Cal Poly will add MAC addresses for webOS devices. "It's pretty much an iPhone (only better!!)"
Jun 30 21:01:39 <halfhalo_class> Well, webos devices work perfectly using the campus crao since its all google apps based, but the wap2 network still fails
Jun 30 21:01:59 <dohtem> http://data.ca.gov/ - there's actually a ton of public data from CA
Jun 30 21:02:48 <pandora--> haeffb_pre: ping
Jun 30 21:02:51 <pandora--> haeffb: ping
Jun 30 21:04:35 <halfhalo_class> gogo torrent!
Jun 30 21:05:09 <l337ingDisorder> Does anyone know of any kind of script that will scrape the palm developer center for daily reports on downloads and/or avg rating and/or unit price ?
Jun 30 21:05:26 <halfhalo_class> theres an app for that
Jun 30 21:05:37 <l337ingDisorder> a palm app or an desktop app?
Jun 30 21:05:46 <halfhalo_class> webos app
Jun 30 21:05:59 <l337ingDisorder> know the name of it?
Jun 30 21:06:13 <l337ingDisorder> google didn't turn anything up with the terms I tried
Jun 30 21:06:16 <halfhalo_class> not off the top of my head
Jun 30 21:07:21 <halfhalo_class> its way to much effort to go to the bank to deposit the check....
Jun 30 21:07:26 <halfhalo_class> this*
Jun 30 21:07:37 <HattCzech_work> cyrket has some info
Jun 30 21:07:52 <l337ingDisorder> cryket?
Jun 30 21:08:55 <HattCzech_work> www.cyrket.com
Jun 30 21:09:28 <HattCzech_work> kesne: still looking at my watch ;)
Jun 30 21:09:48 <l337ingDisorder> HattCzech_work: thanks :)
Jun 30 21:10:01 <HattCzech_work> is that what you're looking for?
Jun 30 21:10:17 <l337ingDisorder> hmm doesn't look like it actually
Jun 30 21:10:24 <l337ingDisorder> developer.palm.com has more info than that
Jun 30 21:11:01 <haeffb_pre> pandora--:  pong
Jun 30 21:11:17 <l337ingDisorder> I'm looking for a script or app that can scrape the developer website for the number of downloads and the download prices, and then either write that to CSV or pass it to PHP as an array
Jun 30 21:11:26 <HattCzech_work> well, that's the only thing i know about... i believe there is an app that does it, but i'm not sure what it's called
Jun 30 21:11:38 <HattCzech_work> l337ingDisorder: write one :)
Jun 30 21:11:56 <haeffb_pre> mywebosapps ?
Jun 30 21:12:33 <l337ingDisorder> HattCzech_work: was just about to do that, but figured I'd see if anyone else had done so first ;)
Jun 30 21:13:47 <pandora--> haeffb_pre: hey, have you ever hit any weird scope issues with using app-assistant to handlelaunch your apps?
Jun 30 21:13:50 <l337ingDisorder> haeffb_pre: google doesn't help with mywebosapps
Jun 30 21:14:35 <pandora--> haeffb_pre: i've gotten it to work perfectly on one app, but, another that's more complicated... when it loads the first stage/scene that scene can't access my globals of app-assistant
Jun 30 21:14:49 <l337ingDisorder> haeffb_pre: just turns up a bunch of twitter tweets about it
Jun 30 21:15:11 <haeffb_pre> it's in the app catalog...
Jun 30 21:15:19 <haeffb_pre> pandora--: no
Jun 30 21:15:25 <l337ingDisorder> ok thanks I'll have a look
Jun 30 21:15:41 <pandora--> haeffb_pre: damn. ok
Jun 30 21:19:00 <l337ingDisorder> haeffb_pre: can't find it on cryket - is there another app catalog site that might be more thorough?
Jun 30 21:19:28 <codeslaw> since my C++ port is being halted by FBO failures, i've got zoom/pan working in javascript
Jun 30 21:19:41 <halfhalo_class> HA
Jun 30 21:19:44 <halfhalo_class> Kin is dead
Jun 30 21:20:18 <haeffb_pre> palms site? can't remember the url...
Jun 30 21:20:29 <haeffb_pre> gotta go airplane mode.
Jun 30 21:21:28 <l337ingDisorder> hmm ok found a vid showing that app, doesn't help much.. just basically acts as a portal to the developer site
Jun 30 21:29:32 <kesne> Where is DM?
Jun 30 21:29:36 <kesne> deliciousmorsel!
Jun 30 21:34:11 <deliciousmorsel> hey
Jun 30 21:37:48 <lyht> question: webos will close a headless app after 60 seconds. Is there any way to ask it to not do that? Or am I going to have to make a dashboard stage just to keep my app alive?
Jun 30 21:38:03 <deliciousmorsel> you'll need the dashboard
Jun 30 21:38:19 <lyht> :P
Jun 30 21:38:38 <HattCzech_work> what about alarms or whatever? do those work?
Jun 30 21:39:02 <HattCzech_work> i know they used to, but not sure if they still do
Jun 30 21:39:15 <lyht> HattCzech_work: what do you mean? setTimeout?
Jun 30 21:39:34 <lyht> or palm://com.palm.power/timeout
Jun 30 21:39:34 <deliciousmorsel> alarms will wake your app
Jun 30 21:39:35 <dkirker> Hmmmm... I should figure out a way to make SIPper headless... That plugin is going to screw with things...
Jun 30 21:40:01 <HattCzech_work> lyht: i'm not sure which one... but i remember there was a way to wake it up
Jun 30 21:41:28 <lyht> alarms will load an app that is not currently running, or relaunch a running app. However, my problem is how to keep my running app running. It is busy doing things, and wham! it is shut down, closed and gone, after 60 seconds. (all because it has no card or dashboard)
Jun 30 21:41:52 <lyht> Which I understand. Dont want to have background apps just taking up space.
Jun 30 21:41:54 <halfhalo_class> Herm.
Jun 30 21:41:57 <lyht> not doing anything.
Jun 30 21:42:02 <halfhalo_class> Titanium supports ipad
Jun 30 21:42:03 <halfhalo_class> nice
Jun 30 21:42:31 <HattCzech_work> lyht: that sounds like a service needs to be made
Jun 30 21:42:40 <HattCzech_work> which i'm trying to do myself for txt manager
Jun 30 21:43:11 <HattCzech_work> but haven't had the time to get deep into it yet
Jun 30 21:43:21 <lyht> but I was hoping there was a way to tell the OS that I am busy, and dont kill me yet. I am already using "activityStart" to keep the phone from going to sleep.
Jun 30 21:43:47 <lyht> HattCzech_work: I dont know if a service would be an option for me. I want to keep this app in the catalog.
Jun 30 21:44:08 <lyht> Guess I am going to have to put my dashboard back in there.
Jun 30 21:44:22 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, then for now... dashboard
Jun 30 21:50:20 <pandora--> stupid dashboard
Jun 30 21:52:51 <EmmettLollis> hrm
Jun 30 21:52:59 <EmmettLollis> aparently i can't spell identify
Jun 30 21:54:40 <zsoc> So, considering the PDK hot apps contest begins in 15 days... is there yet a list of areas of the filesystem that are accessible from the plugin chroot?
Jun 30 21:54:55 <halfhalo_class> I think I'm going to make a titanium interface for my node.js irc class
Jun 30 21:55:13 <EmmettLollis> it starts in 15 days?
Jun 30 21:55:22 <halfhalo_class> To go along with my persistant session change
Jun 30 21:55:48 <zsoc> EmmettLollis: July 15th, yes
Jun 30 21:56:06 <EmmettLollis> does it run for a full month or just 15 days?
Jun 30 21:57:25 <HattCzech_work> i think 2 months
Jun 30 21:58:22 <EmmettLollis> you know, it would probably do me good to actually read through the announcements instead of scanning over them
Jun 30 21:58:22 <lyht> Well. that works. It stays alive.
Jun 30 21:58:58 <lyht> Now I just have to figure out why the download manager sometimes never gets a notification that the file is downloaded and complete.
Jun 30 22:00:50 <zsoc> Has anyone here actually used the camera api through the service request via the stage creation/app trigger?
Jun 30 22:01:07 <zsoc> I'm curious if there's a way to snap more than 1 picture before it closes (ie: burst shot via spacebar)
Jun 30 22:02:05 <sugardave> bah, since AppBookShop's cyrket pages crashed my browser....twice....just on page 2, I've decided to let the Russians handle it
Jun 30 22:02:13 <sugardave> I had no idea they were THAT bad
Jun 30 22:05:31 <HattCzech_work> how bad?
Jun 30 22:05:39 <sugardave> really really bad
Jun 30 22:06:07 <sugardave> just search AppBookShop on the cyrket feed and see how many
Jun 30 22:07:32 <HattCzech_work> 171
Jun 30 22:07:37 <HattCzech_work> lame
Jun 30 22:08:11 <HattCzech_work> dijit: 93
Jun 30 22:08:43 <sugardave> there have to be more than that
Jun 30 22:08:48 <sugardave> I only was on page 2 when the browser crashed in the 'b-c' area
Jun 30 22:09:01 <HattCzech_work> brighthouse: 337
Jun 30 22:09:41 <HattCzech_work> that's 601 TOTALLY POINTLESS apps
Jun 30 22:09:56 <sugardave> well, even then, I'm not doing it...anyone else sign up for elance if you want it :D
Jun 30 22:12:11 <lyht> sugardave, I missed that part of the conversation. AppBookShop has a project on elance?
Jun 30 22:13:09 <sugardave> they did, then it turned into an invite only one, so I guess you can't get to it now
Jun 30 22:14:11 <lyht> funny. What was the project? Something other than books?
Jun 30 22:14:20 <sugardave> rewrite their book app
Jun 30 22:14:41 <HattCzech_work> did that include MERGING it into one app? :)
Jun 30 22:14:41 <lyht> oh... interesting. what were the bids going for?
Jun 30 22:14:56 <HattCzech_work> if that's the case, i'll do it :)
Jun 30 22:15:00 <sugardave> lyht: couldn't see the other bids
Jun 30 22:15:07 <lyht> ah.
Jun 30 22:15:52 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: that functionality was requested, but that's no guarantee they'd use it :D
Jun 30 22:17:08 <haeffb> wow... webosroundup appears to have increased my Done sales.
Jun 30 22:17:18 <sugardave> haeffb: nice
Jun 30 22:17:28 <haeffb> 70 new settled DL's since yesterday
Jun 30 22:17:49 <HattCzech_work> awesome!
Jun 30 22:18:12 <HattCzech_work> haeffb: did you ask them to do something or advertise or something else?
Jun 30 22:18:34 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: i hope they use it... then maybe i wouldn't hate them so much
Jun 30 22:18:52 <haeffb> no, they reviewed it on their own. Gave it a "Top Pick" designation. Like maybe Sunday.
Jun 30 22:18:59 <HattCzech_work> sweet
Jun 30 22:19:39 <haeffb> http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/06/app-review-done-for-webos/
Jun 30 22:22:01 <haeffb> on the other hand: "Your application does not synch with the website, making it useless.  Fix it, or send me a refund."
Jun 30 22:25:25 <codeslaw> yo
Jun 30 22:25:34 <lyht> yo
Jun 30 22:25:35 <zsoc> yo
Jun 30 22:25:45 <zsoc> and a bottle of rum
Jun 30 22:25:53 <codeslaw> algorithms - how do they work?
Jun 30 22:26:16 <lyht> that is weird. I can see logs from my app, while the phone is booting.
Jun 30 22:26:39 <zsoc> al gore-isms are usally pretty punny
Jun 30 22:26:57 <lyht> it started up, did some stiff and shut down. and the palm logo is still glowng.
Jun 30 22:29:04 <HattCzech_work> haeffb: e-mail, i'm assuming?
Jun 30 22:30:15 <zsoc> haeffb_pre / haeffb: I humbly ask for mojo advice
Jun 30 22:31:03 <maik> holy crap, my app has 72 downloads and i only released it like a week ago
Jun 30 22:31:19 <zsoc> maik: you do know there are millions of webOS devices in use, yes?
Jun 30 22:31:23 <maik> shutup
Jun 30 22:31:26 <zsoc> :D
Jun 30 22:31:30 <maik> :D
Jun 30 22:31:30 <dohtem> heh
Jun 30 22:31:31 <zsoc> I mean congrats :D
Jun 30 22:32:07 <HattCzech_work> maik: app name?
Jun 30 22:32:10 <oil> zsoc: is such a jerk
Jun 30 22:32:11 <maik> Emergency Lights
Jun 30 22:32:23 <zsoc> this is true
Jun 30 22:33:14 <maik> i've got some other ideas for future updates, just need to find the time
Jun 30 22:33:44 <HattCzech_work> maik: we know exactly what you mean :)
Jun 30 22:33:45 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
Jun 30 22:41:34 <sugardave> so...impossible to unzip a file in Mojo/javascript?
Jun 30 22:42:14 <Robdor> lyht: I like your crack the whip app.  I got a good laugh out of the messages.
Jun 30 22:45:17 <lyht> thanks Robdor. We tried to put that out there quick to get in the top 200 before the end of the contest. But didn't put it out fast enough. It is at 500. How's your app coming?
Jun 30 22:46:23 <Robdor> Really well.  I'm glad that the PDK hot apps contest was pushed back a couple of weeks.  Now I don't feel quite as rushed to get it finished.
Jun 30 22:46:55 <zsoc> Robdor: what app you working on?
Jun 30 22:47:06 <lyht> oh, sounds different that the one I knew of before that was a client for github
Jun 30 22:48:12 <Robdor> zsoc: This a short clip of what it looks like: http://www.youtube.com/user/robholio7#p/a/u/0/q5f1xqeoJoo.  It's a physics based puzzle game.  Like Ragdoll Blaster on the iPhone.
Jun 30 22:48:28 <lyht> sugardave: I searched high and low, and could not find a solution. PDK might be the way.
Jun 30 22:48:33 <lyht> BTW Robdor, the people at Agel are looking for PHP people, if you are interesting. Could be salary or free-lance work, I think.
Jun 30 22:48:44 <Robdor> lyht: I was working on that for a while and lost interest after an SDK update broke my tools.
Jun 30 22:48:48 <sugardave> lyht: erg, that's a bummer
Jun 30 22:50:03 <dawm|laptop> OMG
Jun 30 22:50:10 <dawm|laptop> NSFW but HILARIOUS
Jun 30 22:50:12 <dawm|laptop> http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/28/iphone-4-vs-evo-4g/
Jun 30 22:50:23 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: what are some of your favorite places to eat around town?
Jun 30 22:50:35 <HattCzech_work> my gf likes to try new places, and i'm out of ideas
Jun 30 22:51:09 <dawm|laptop> HattCzech_work:  isnt there an app for that? Yelp?
Jun 30 22:51:28 <sugardave> oh man, I'm a hermit...my fave tex-mex is El Caribe on Koenig and Lamar
Jun 30 22:51:39 <HattCzech_work> there are many apps for that, but i think personal opinions sometimes work better
Jun 30 22:51:44 <kesne> dawm|laptop: everyones already seen that
Jun 30 22:51:53 <dawm|laptop> kesne:  shutup
Jun 30 22:52:01 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: i love tex-mex (more mex), and i've never been there
Jun 30 22:52:02 <sugardave> get the pollito relleno...delicious
Jun 30 22:52:11 <dawm|laptop> i just got home from working 13hrs .. and i was supposed to work 10..
Jun 30 22:52:20 <HattCzech_work> awesome, thanks for the rec
Jun 30 22:52:26 <sugardave> np
Jun 30 22:52:32 <HattCzech_work> overtime?
Jun 30 22:52:34 <dohtem> looks like Palm's gone and permanently removed the $99 Developer fee
Jun 30 22:52:38 <dawm|laptop> kesne: i stopped playing that game after level 10, it was boring me
Jun 30 22:52:49 <kesne> :O
Jun 30 22:52:53 <kesne> :'(
Jun 30 22:52:55 <sugardave> I WANT MY $5!
Jun 30 22:53:03 <dawm|laptop> it wasnt gettn any harder
Jun 30 22:53:19 <dawm|laptop> or gameplay change
Jun 30 22:53:31 <kesne> Play for a few more levels
Jun 30 22:53:35 <kesne> It gets a lot lot harder
Jun 30 22:53:44 <dawm|laptop> goto privmsg
Jun 30 22:54:34 <Mousey> THAT
Jun 30 22:54:35 <Mousey> WAS
Jun 30 22:54:36 <Mousey> FUNNEY!!!
Jun 30 22:54:42 <Mousey> oops, wrong channel >_<
Jun 30 22:54:51 <Mousey> wait, no it wasn't!
Jun 30 22:55:31 <codeslaw> wait wait
Jun 30 22:55:37 <codeslaw> el caribe?
Jun 30 22:55:45 <codeslaw> i had a TERRIBLE experience there about 4 years ago
Jun 30 22:55:48 <codeslaw> never went back
Jun 30 22:55:55 <HattCzech_work> oh noes!
Jun 30 22:56:01 <HattCzech_work> conflicting opinions! ;0
Jun 30 22:56:03 <codeslaw> went during lunch time
Jun 30 22:56:18 <codeslaw> half the food they served us out of the already closed buffet line
Jun 30 22:56:28 <sugardave> codeslaw: oh no, really?  we always have excellent food there...the wait staff is a little bitchy sometimes (at lunch)
Jun 30 22:56:34 <sugardave> buffet?
Jun 30 22:56:37 <HattCzech_work> mmm, sounds tasty ;)
Jun 30 22:56:46 <sugardave> I don't think this is the same place....
Jun 30 22:56:51 <HattCzech_work> haha
Jun 30 22:56:52 <codeslaw> it was a long time ago, i could be mistaken
Jun 30 22:57:12 <sugardave> this is a tiny little hole in the wall next to Dan's (or Fran's) hamburgers and a korean/asian market
Jun 30 22:57:28 <codeslaw> i know the place
Jun 30 22:57:34 <sugardave> a long time ago it used to be called Salsita's
Jun 30 22:57:43 <codeslaw> i'll have to give it a try again sometime i suppose
Jun 30 22:57:59 <sugardave> yeah, it's good...if they have a lunch buffet, I didn't know about it :D
Jun 30 22:58:24 <kesne> is MetaView here?
Jun 30 22:58:57 <codeslaw> word
Jun 30 22:58:58 <codeslaw> bbl
Jun 30 22:59:04 <sugardave> later
Jun 30 22:59:29 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: don't pay attention to codeslaw, he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about :P
Jun 30 22:59:40 <HattCzech_work> heheh
Jun 30 22:59:43 <sugardave> pollito relleno, book it, done
Jun 30 23:01:16 <HattCzech_work> and done :)
Jun 30 23:01:20 <HattCzech_work> thanks
Jun 30 23:01:25 <HattCzech_work> i'm off
Jun 30 23:01:42 <sugardave> have fun
Jun 30 23:01:53 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 30 23:03:57 <Nyceane> HattCzech_away, good luck on making it =)
Jun 30 23:04:01 <Nyceane> you should be able to
Jun 30 23:11:49 <reality9110> 4 hours to go people...
Jun 30 23:12:47 <lyht> reality9110: until what?
Jun 30 23:13:04 <reality9110> Palm Hot Apps is over
Jun 30 23:22:41 <dawm|laptop> wait a minute..
Jun 30 23:22:55 <dawm|laptop> http://www.palm.com/us/products/software/mobile-applications.html
Jun 30 23:23:08 <dawm|laptop> goto the daytime category..
Jun 30 23:23:18 <dawm|laptop> clock and contacts are there heh
Jun 30 23:23:32 <dawm|laptop> funny seeing stock apps
Jun 30 23:26:48 <deliciousmorsel> 6 hours
Jun 30 23:27:24 <reality9110> 4 hours 32 minutes
Jun 30 23:30:38 <pandora--> i thoguht the extended hotapps?
Jun 30 23:30:49 <reality9110> Yes, to the end of this month
Jun 30 23:30:53 <reality9110> It was May originally
Jun 30 23:30:57 <pandora--> ah
Jun 30 23:31:17 <reality9110> If they extend it again, I'm going to punch the first Palm employee I see
Jun 30 23:31:48 <dawm|laptop> LOL
Jun 30 23:32:44 <zsoc> anyone raking in the cash?
Jun 30 23:32:50 <reality9110> <----
Jun 30 23:32:58 <zsoc> nice :>
Jun 30 23:33:19 <reality9110> Including the bonus, $27000 this month
Jun 30 23:33:27 <zsoc> very nice
Jun 30 23:35:00 <Wolvenhaven> from selling webos apps?
Jun 30 23:35:08 <reality9110> Ad revenue
Jun 30 23:35:08 <LoneStar99> very nice reality9110
Jun 30 23:35:19 <HebrewzHammer> anyone know where ipkg logs are stored
Jun 30 23:35:52 <reality9110> HebrewzHammer: Try #webos-internals
Jun 30 23:36:15 <HebrewzHammer> i did, no one answered :(
Jun 30 23:44:58 <lyht> HebrewzHammer: the install logs? Or the run logs?
Jun 30 23:45:32 <EmmettLollis> i'm now running on 20meg internet
Jun 30 23:45:35 <EmmettLollis> :)
Jun 30 23:46:03 <twbbas> reality9110: What apps have you made?
Jun 30 23:46:27 <reality9110> Two apps.  BroadCAST Radio on homebrew and RadioTime
Jun 30 23:47:59 <twbbas> Sweet apps. So I guess admob really is worth it in a free app
Jun 30 23:48:14 <reality9110> No.  Admob is horrible.
Jun 30 23:48:27 <twbbas> Oh, which ad service do you use?
Jun 30 23:48:29 <EmmettLollis> if i already have eclipse there is no need to install it with the PDK right?
Jun 30 23:48:40 <reality9110> Quattro Wireless, Adfonic, and Smaato
Jun 30 23:48:41 <Wolvenhaven> correct EmmettLollis
Jun 30 23:48:44 <Wolvenhaven> just install the plugins
Jun 30 23:48:59 <EmmettLollis> what plugins?
Jun 30 23:49:09 <EmmettLollis> oh the ones i already have most likely
Jun 30 23:49:17 <Wolvenhaven> the webos plugin
Jun 30 23:49:39 <EmmettLollis> i think i got all those when i originaly installed eclipse
Jun 30 23:49:42 <EmmettLollis> sweeit
Jun 30 23:49:47 <EmmettLollis> sweet rather
Jun 30 23:50:52 <lyht> I will $3000 in bonuses from the contest. 3 apps in the top 200. I dont know if I have paid for the cost of developement of all the apps yet, but still not bad.
Jun 30 23:51:15 <EmmettLollis> nice
Jun 30 23:52:01 <haeffb> zsoc: what?
Jun 30 23:52:03 <EmmettLollis> on a completely unrealated note i'm taking donations
Jun 30 23:52:06 <EmmettLollis> ;)
Jun 30 23:52:11 <haeffb> drat, missed him.
Jun 30 23:52:36 <twbbas> reality9110: Which ad service is the best out of those three?
Jun 30 23:52:49 <haeffb> HattCzech_away: email & a review both with the same message
Jun 30 23:53:41 <reality9110> twbbas: It really depends.  You need to work to make any of them profitable.
Jun 30 23:53:56 <reality9110> twbbas: It's not as easy as just signing up for an account and watching cash come in.
Jun 30 23:54:14 <reality9110> twbbas: You need to be able to get up there and work the phones with them to get the best deal for your app.
Jun 30 23:55:01 <lyht> reality9110: what do you mean, "work the phones"
Jun 30 23:55:08 <twbbas> Negotiate?
Jun 30 23:55:26 <reality9110> Negotiate the best rates, the ads you expect, CPM fills, etc.
Jun 30 23:56:04 <EmmettLollis> something like... all my customers range in the highest demographic, click all their ads and buy stuff from the sponsors
Jun 30 23:56:06 <twbbas> Do you get mose of your money from users just loading the ad or actually tapping it and loading the web browser?
Jun 30 23:56:23 <twbbas> most*
Jun 30 23:56:32 <reality9110> Most of the revenue for the app is CPM
Jun 30 23:56:50 <twbbas> CPM?
Jun 30 23:57:05 <haeffb> "Wow, woot.com being acquired by Amazon. That's going to be interesting."
Jun 30 23:57:05 <reality9110> cost per mille.  A set rate for 1000 views of an ad
Jun 30 23:57:20 <twbbas> oh
Jun 30 23:57:34 <reality9110> CPM is hard to get.
Jun 30 23:57:41 <twbbas> So you have to make a super successful app like Radiotime to profit, eh? =p
Jun 30 23:58:11 <reality9110> Well, if you want advertisers, then yes.
Jun 30 23:58:27 <reality9110> If your app only gets a few uses per day, then advertisers are going to balk at it.
Jun 30 23:58:47 <lyht> and you need and app people come back to.
Jun 30 23:59:01 <reality9110> Or have open for extended periods of time
Jun 30 23:59:11 <sugardave> ding ding ding
Jun 30 23:59:29 <lyht> or both.
Jun 30 23:59:39 <EmmettLollis> sugardave.. you just made the ring a ding ringtone pop into my head
Jun 30 23:59:45 <kesne> :O
Jun 30 23:59:56 <kesne> Bleh
Jul 01 00:00:03 <sugardave> the one from the geico commercial?
Jul 01 00:00:04 <kesne> You all should subscribe to me on youtube
Jul 01 00:00:09 <EmmettLollis> yes indeed
Jul 01 00:00:10 <discombobulate> i've been annoying everyone with that ring tone for days now
Jul 01 00:00:17 <sugardave> ha
Jul 01 00:00:36 <reality9110> kesne: Who are you?
Jul 01 00:00:45 <kesne> I am kesne
Jul 01 00:00:55 <reality9110> Yes, but who are you?
Jul 01 00:00:59 <kesne> ...
Jul 01 00:01:02 <kesne> A developer?
Jul 01 00:01:06 <kesne> A human
Jul 01 00:01:14 <lyht> a dancer
Jul 01 00:01:19 <reality9110> A lover
Jul 01 00:01:24 <EmmettLollis> a fighter
Jul 01 00:01:55 <reality9110> kesne: What benefit do we get from subscribing to your youtube channel (or whatever it is youtube does)?
Jul 01 00:02:10 <kesne> No benefit
Jul 01 00:02:19 <reality9110> Well then...no sale.
Jul 01 00:02:20 <kesne> I don't get any either
Jul 01 00:02:30 <dawm|laptop> lol
Jul 01 00:02:39 <kesne> I get satisfaction
Jul 01 00:02:49 <reality9110> And we get...?
Jul 01 00:03:02 <dawm|laptop> i got getsatisfaction
Jul 01 00:03:23 <reality9110> kesne: What apps have you developed?
Jul 01 00:03:25 <haeffb> why's everybody always all like "whats in it for me" ?
Jul 01 00:03:33 <dawm|laptop> reality9110:  some stupid checkers game
Jul 01 00:03:34 <reality9110> haeffb: That's life, kid.
Jul 01 00:03:38 <dawm|laptop> :P
Jul 01 00:03:42 <discombobulate> thats just how it is
Jul 01 00:03:43 <kesne> I develop Checkers
Jul 01 00:03:44 <kesne> And some other stuff
Jul 01 00:04:00 <reality9110> You mean that Checkers game that killed my phone?
Jul 01 00:04:03 <kesne> I only have 4 subscribers though
Jul 01 00:04:07 <kesne> It killed your phone?
Jul 01 00:04:12 <reality9110> Absolutely!
Jul 01 00:04:13 <discombobulate> kesne did the fart soundboard too
Jul 01 00:04:14 <dawm|laptop> LOL
Jul 01 00:04:15 <reality9110> Destroyed it!
Jul 01 00:04:16 <kesne> I think did it wrong
Jul 01 00:04:22 <kesne> Hmm
Jul 01 00:04:37 <reality9110> Caused it to black screen.
Jul 01 00:04:40 <reality9110> Reboot.
Jul 01 00:04:44 <kesne> Did you try submerging it in water for 30 seconds? That usually fixes the bug.
Jul 01 00:04:49 <reality9110> Infinite loop.  Had to doctor to restore.
Jul 01 00:04:53 <dpivs> kesne: i guess that means there is virtual blood on your hands because of reality9110's phone?
Jul 01 00:05:12 <haeffb> reality9110 uses an android, so no loss...
Jul 01 00:05:33 <reality9110> Why do you think I have to use android?  Because Checkers killed my Pre!
Jul 01 00:05:38 <kesne> reality9110: I remember your name...
Jul 01 00:05:42 <kesne> I can't remember though
Jul 01 00:06:04 <reality9110> kesne: I'm just giving you trouble.
Jul 01 00:06:12 <haeffb> oh, good point!
Jul 01 00:06:18 <kesne> I figured so much
Jul 01 00:06:20 <reality9110> No, checkers did not kill my phone.
Jul 01 00:06:20 <kesne> But really
Jul 01 00:06:24 <haeffb> kesne: you've forced a webOS user to go android!
Jul 01 00:06:26 <reality9110> It killed my family.
Jul 01 00:06:27 <kesne> where do I remember your name
Jul 01 00:06:30 <kesne> Oh
Jul 01 00:06:32 <kesne> Sweet
Jul 01 00:06:44 <dawm|laptop> kesne: he's been in here a long time
Jul 01 00:06:44 <kesne> Now I can market it cooler
Jul 01 00:06:50 <kesne> "Checkers solves overpopulation"
Jul 01 00:06:55 <reality9110> kesne: Probably from here.  I've been here since, what?  The beginning?
Jul 01 00:06:57 <kesne> I've been here a long time :P
Jul 01 00:07:12 <lyht> Anyone using Switcharoo that wants to test the latest beta?
Jul 01 00:07:22 <reality9110> kesne: I develop RadioTime
Jul 01 00:07:45 <EmmettLollis> i develop all the crappy apps
Jul 01 00:07:52 <dawm|laptop> im so sick of these 'YOU' htc ads
Jul 01 00:08:08 <EmmettLollis> dawm, never seen it
Jul 01 00:08:13 <dawm|laptop> bs
Jul 01 00:08:18 <kesne> RADIOTIME! HAH!
Jul 01 00:08:18 <EmmettLollis> <-- doesn't watch much tv
Jul 01 00:08:28 <kesne> I've been here from the begging too :P
Jul 01 00:08:33 <kesne> I've beta tested your app
Jul 01 00:08:33 <haeffb> radiotime killed my enjoyment of my phone.
Jul 01 00:08:42 <reality9110> kesne: Probably
Jul 01 00:08:48 <haeffb> because it can't do wma
Jul 01 00:08:49 <kesne> We've talked before :P
Jul 01 00:08:52 <haeffb> :(
Jul 01 00:09:04 <reality9110> haeffb: You mean WebOS...
Jul 01 00:09:14 * haeffb would go android, but it can't do wma either
Jul 01 00:09:22 <reality9110> haeffb: The hell it can't.
Jul 01 00:09:34 * EmmettLollis would be happy just having 4 or 5 smartphones
Jul 01 00:09:52 <rwhitby> interesting: http://jeharrisonline.com/palm/fmr.asp
Jul 01 00:09:59 <haeffb> oh, in that case I guess I need an EVO
Jul 01 00:10:07 <reality9110> No.
Jul 01 00:10:13 <reality9110> You need a Samsung Epic 4G
Jul 01 00:10:25 <dawm|laptop> Epic wasnt a good choice of a name
Jul 01 00:10:32 <dawm|laptop> it could become Epic Fail
Jul 01 00:11:10 <EmmettLollis> damn, i enjoyed the ringtone app
Jul 01 00:11:10 * haeffb doesn't need 4G
Jul 01 00:11:13 <dawm|laptop> I liked the name Samsung Galaxy S Pro
Jul 01 00:11:24 <reality9110> It's a little on the plasticky side...but not as plasticky as the Pre
Jul 01 00:11:26 <JenP> hi all
Jul 01 00:11:36 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Jul 01 00:11:40 <reality9110> Hey Jen
Jul 01 00:11:46 <JenP> hi guys
Jul 01 00:12:19 <lyht> EmmettLollis: You can still use it. You just wont be able to download it again if you delete it, or reset your phone.
Jul 01 00:12:37 <dawm|laptop> what ringtone app
Jul 01 00:13:07 <EmmettLollis> yeah, i saw that... what are the odds that i'll go very long without wiping my phone :/
Jul 01 00:13:27 <EmmettLollis> dawm: free music ringtones
Jul 01 00:13:59 <EmmettLollis> pretty much lets you use any song ever made as a ringtone (vast mojority anyway)
Jul 01 00:14:37 <dawm|laptop> um i know what it does
Jul 01 00:14:50 <dawm|laptop> ive traded a few emails with the developer
Jul 01 00:15:00 <reality9110> Maybe I'll make a ringtones app.
Jul 01 00:15:05 <dawm|laptop> about to shoot one out to him right now
Jul 01 00:15:24 <dawm|laptop> and maybe solve this issue
Jul 01 00:15:33 <EmmettLollis> oh cool
Jul 01 00:16:03 <EmmettLollis> just send a standard reply to all user emails... RTFM
Jul 01 00:16:40 <dawm|laptop> lol
Jul 01 00:16:59 <dawm|laptop> have users help users and chime in as the developer when needed
Jul 01 00:17:30 <dawm|laptop> wtf
Jul 01 00:17:36 <dohtem> rwhitby: wow, we ran that FMR guy out of the App Catalog.
Jul 01 00:17:37 <dawm|laptop> that was a stupid VZW commercial..
Jul 01 00:17:40 <Nyceane> anybody else really close to 221?
Jul 01 00:17:48 <dawm|laptop> RuleTheAir .. thats their new slogan
Jul 01 00:18:01 <EmmettLollis> oh so we have to pay them to breathe now?
Jul 01 00:19:00 <Nyceane> i m rank 243
Jul 01 00:19:02 <Nyceane> =(
Jul 01 00:19:08 <dohtem> as long as that smug "can you hear me now" guy is gone, it's cool
Jul 01 00:19:11 <Nyceane> I hope they'd still give me something for trying
Jul 01 00:23:54 <lyht> CRAP! they just added an automatic rejecter system to the app catalog submission process. Two non-public calls that had squeaked through previously just cause a rejection.
Jul 01 00:24:48 <kesne> lyht: encrypt that baby!
Jul 01 00:25:57 <lyht> kense... how. I have seen obsfucators before, but nothing that would hide those api calls.
Jul 01 00:26:29 <kesne> uhm
Jul 01 00:26:41 <kesne> Idea here
Jul 01 00:26:47 <Nyceane> http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/06/freeview-pickup-sports/
Jul 01 00:26:47 <kesne> Make it a string an eval it?
Jul 01 00:27:52 <lyht> kesne: brilliant! I may just do that. Although they would get upset if they figured it out.
Jul 01 00:28:05 <kesne> lyht: Cross your finger?
Jul 01 00:28:10 <kesne> er, fingers
Jul 01 00:28:11 <kesne> ;)
Jul 01 00:28:27 <kesne> You could also put the code on the server, grab it and eval it.
Jul 01 00:28:36 <kesne> That way they can't directly find the code
Jul 01 00:28:38 <dohtem> lyht: HP will hunt you down!
Jul 01 00:29:20 <lyht> kesne: that is funny. dohtem, true. And I dont want to do things that are bad,
Jul 01 00:29:44 <kesne> Psh
Jul 01 00:29:46 <kesne> Who cares?
Jul 01 00:29:54 <dohtem> :)
Jul 01 00:29:57 <kesne> Checkers breaks at least 20 guidelines
Jul 01 00:30:01 <EmmettLollis> hmm, they're making another pee wee herman movie
Jul 01 00:30:04 <Roy-Pre101> Hmmm...
Jul 01 00:30:17 <kesne> Hell, you could throw a secret tag in the chat and it'll throw up porn
Jul 01 00:30:21 <Roy-Pre101> I'm seeing my Flick event also cause a Tap event.  I thought they were mutually exclusive...
Jul 01 00:36:38 <EmmettLollis> 22.01 Mb/s download and 1.07Mb/s upload.. i like it
Jul 01 00:36:47 <kesne> How do you detect a forward gesture
Jul 01 00:37:03 <EmmettLollis> normally i detect those if i cut someone off
Jul 01 00:38:34 <EmmettLollis> mojo.event.back
Jul 01 00:38:41 <EmmettLollis> so must be a mojo.event.forward
Jul 01 00:38:45 <EmmettLollis> just guessing
Jul 01 00:38:58 <EmmettLollis> code here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6393
Jul 01 00:39:07 <dawm|laptop> its MoJoJoJo.Event.Forward.PowerPuffs.Go()
Jul 01 00:39:49 <kesne> Hehe
Jul 01 00:39:53 <kesne> Powerpuff girls
Jul 01 00:41:16 <kesne> Protip: swipe forward on the title screen of Planet Eaters to continue your game
Jul 01 00:41:44 <dawm|laptop> i played 2 more levels and was still distracted by otherthings to continue
Jul 01 00:41:53 <dawm|laptop> altho im happy it saved my progress
Jul 01 00:42:04 <kesne> It saves progress automatically
Jul 01 00:42:43 <kesne> were those 2 levels harder
Jul 01 00:43:59 <dawm|laptop> seemed easy, i think i did 12 in a minute
Jul 01 00:44:15 <dawm|laptop> not 12 levels rather level 12
Jul 01 00:44:56 <dawm|laptop> is there a site like imageshack for audio clips?
Jul 01 00:45:54 <kesne> Why?
Jul 01 00:46:00 <kesne> dawm: get to level 30
Jul 01 00:46:08 <kesne> It increases exponentially
Jul 01 00:46:22 <EmmettLollis> dawm, just hook up a mike and do verbal sound effects
Jul 01 00:46:28 <kesne> so it'll get hard as.. uhm... stuff
Jul 01 00:46:36 <EmmettLollis> or hire that guy from police academy
Jul 01 00:47:01 <dawm|laptop> EmmettLollis:  lol
Jul 01 00:47:30 <kesne> dawm|laptop: what do you think of the sounds?
Jul 01 00:47:35 <EmmettLollis> one time i did my own fx for a music video i made
Jul 01 00:47:39 <EmmettLollis> was really cheesy
Jul 01 00:47:50 <dawm|laptop> i want a nom nom nom nom sound added
Jul 01 00:48:26 <dawm|laptop> like
Jul 01 00:48:27 <dawm|laptop> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/nom
Jul 01 00:49:39 <kesne> Okay
Jul 01 00:50:11 <EmmettLollis> dawm, now i have that song stuck in my head
Jul 01 00:50:15 <dawm|laptop> haha
Jul 01 00:50:16 <dawm|laptop> see
Jul 01 00:50:25 <dawm|laptop> P.E. needs more F.U.N.
Jul 01 00:50:36 <dawm|laptop> thats whats missing
Jul 01 00:50:36 <kesne> dawm|laptop: what about the suck sound
Jul 01 00:50:42 <kesne> That should be the background music!
Jul 01 00:51:07 <dawm|laptop> i dont recall it, so it must not have been memorable
Jul 01 00:51:14 <dawm|laptop> lemme think of something thats bettar
Jul 01 00:52:00 <dawm|laptop> why not ACTUAL Blackhole sounds?
Jul 01 00:52:01 <dawm|laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYiWNLv-Bgg
Jul 01 00:52:40 <kesne> LAME
Jul 01 00:52:42 <dawm|laptop> or maybe the sound of youranus?
Jul 01 00:52:59 <dawm|laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Ngl2RY8sA&feature=related
Jul 01 00:55:34 <dawm|laptop> http://web.mit.edu/sahughes/www/sounds.html
Jul 01 00:55:48 <dawm|laptop> i dont hear anything from those tho
Jul 01 00:56:31 <kesne> $("nom" + ((Math.random()*2)+1)).play();
Jul 01 00:56:38 <kesne> Why doesn't that work?
Jul 01 00:57:12 <dawm|laptop> i dunno
Jul 01 00:58:31 <dawm|laptop> the end of http://web.mit.edu/sahughes/www/Sounds/iota_20_0.998_h.wav
Jul 01 00:58:34 <dawm|laptop> sounds kinda cool
Jul 01 00:58:52 <dawm|laptop> Initially circular orbit, into rapidly spinning black hole
Jul 01 00:58:53 <EmmettLollis> dawm, whats the sound for?
Jul 01 00:59:29 <EmmettLollis> that last one sounds like a plane taking off
Jul 01 01:00:00 <dawm|laptop> i dont hear it till the end
Jul 01 01:00:09 <dawm|laptop> macbook air has craptacular speaker
Jul 01 01:00:20 <kesne> heh
Jul 01 01:00:42 <kesne> dawm|laptop: what do you think of the main theme?
Jul 01 01:00:58 <dawm|laptop> its hard to describe, but it works
Jul 01 01:01:12 <dawm|laptop> i cant complain too much about my MBAir.. i only paid $300 for it
Jul 01 01:01:31 <kesne> ?
Jul 01 01:02:02 <dawm|laptop> a coworker nephew needed rent money and was happy to take 300 for it
Jul 01 01:02:10 <dawm|laptop> coworkers
Jul 01 01:02:40 <dawm|laptop> man tweetdeck blows on mac
Jul 01 01:06:15 <EmmettLollis> not a bad price for a laptop
Jul 01 01:06:55 <dohtem> dawm|laptop: a lot of folks like Tweetie for Mac
Jul 01 01:07:04 <dawm|laptop> just downloaded it
Jul 01 01:07:58 <dawm|laptop> aww its not multi-account
Jul 01 01:08:49 <dawm|laptop> oh nm it is
Jul 01 01:09:36 <kesne> Loser
Jul 01 01:09:41 <kesne> I liek spaz
Jul 01 01:10:09 <dawm|laptop> yeah... i like tweetie
Jul 01 01:10:30 <kesne> Why?
Jul 01 01:10:45 <dawm|laptop> clean and minimal
Jul 01 01:11:32 * dohtem wants a $300 Mac too
Jul 01 01:12:30 <EmmettLollis> nom nom nom is still stuck in my head
Jul 01 01:13:47 <kesne> dawm|laptop: I'm sending you an updated IPK
Jul 01 01:13:52 <dawm|laptop> k
Jul 01 01:13:54 <kesne> Install, let me know if the sounds are better
Jul 01 01:13:59 <kesne> Lots of updates in this one
Jul 01 01:14:25 <dawm|laptop> you should make a private beta and put it up, so i can update rather then hook up a cable ;p
Jul 01 01:15:35 <kesne> dawm|laptop: that takes 24 hrs to update
Jul 01 01:15:44 <kesne> I want to push this app this weekend, so it'd be pointless
Jul 01 01:15:49 <dawm|laptop> lol
Jul 01 01:16:34 <kesne> INSTALL NAO!
Jul 01 01:32:24 <rwhitby> anyone on O2 Germany?
Jul 01 01:33:04 <deliciousmorsel> HattCzech_away: you are in the top 221 now
Jul 01 01:34:16 <kesne> HattCzech_away: You're welcome :P
Jul 01 01:35:42 <rwhitby> I just got a 1.4.5 update notification
Jul 01 01:36:37 <bpadalino> on your o2 phone ?
Jul 01 01:36:56 <rwhitby> yep, Europa Pre
Jul 01 01:37:04 <bpadalino> excellent
Jul 01 01:37:11 <bpadalino> is the doctor for o2 from palm's website updated ?
Jul 01 01:37:19 <rwhitby> just getting my logging in place before I hit accept
Jul 01 01:45:22 <EmmettLollis> Europa pre?
Jul 01 01:47:16 <dawm|laptop> HAHAHA
Jul 01 01:47:18 <dawm|laptop> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/holy_masquerade_cat_woman_strikes_ogTPl8uVxHCEpDkOPTHKxH
Jul 01 01:52:00 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  the main problem with the app cat, is that the makers do no know how to capture the science of text
Jul 01 01:52:46 <LoneStar99> do not
Jul 01 01:53:32 <rwhitby> Europa Pre is a device I have that was activated in Germany, and has a German language profile.
Jul 01 01:54:16 <EmmettLollis> oh, so does that mean there will be an update soon in the states?
Jul 01 02:05:48 <kesne> Hey all!
Jul 01 02:05:48 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Got a screenshot of 1.4.5?
Jul 01 02:05:54 <torchie> sup dawgs
Jul 01 02:06:01 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Downloading, finished, ready to start... anything?
Jul 01 02:06:46 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: /msg me an email address
Jul 01 02:07:05 <kesne> is dawm here?
Jul 01 02:11:02 <dawm|laptop> no
Jul 01 02:11:04 <dawm|laptop> shh
Jul 01 02:11:28 <dawm|laptop> no i aint updated P.E. yet
Jul 01 02:11:42 <dawm|laptop> too comfy sitting on the bed to switch over to the desk ;P
Jul 01 02:19:06 <kesne> :O
Jul 01 02:19:07 <kesne> DO IT NOW!
Jul 01 02:26:21 <haeffb> 2 hrs 35 min
Jul 01 02:29:30 <haeffb> http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/06/rumor-whispers-of-the-new-webos-device-grow-louder/#more-8028
Jul 01 02:31:49 <discombobulate> nice. refund already.
Jul 01 02:55:19 <haeffb_pre> Roy-Pre101: ping
Jul 01 02:55:34 <Roy-Pre101> hae hae
Jul 01 02:55:58 <haeffb_pre> just checking if you got the gesture-a working...
Jul 01 02:56:59 <haeffb_pre> & if so did you post it on 101 ?
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