**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 02:59:58 2010 Jul 05 03:21:15 dawm: What's the issue with Ares? Oh, gone... Jul 05 03:22:23 :P he was trying it to sort something out with me Jul 05 03:22:52 but ares + chrome + mac = fubar Jul 05 03:29:18 * Tibfib won't user ARES until there is a tablet version :] Jul 05 03:30:45 and a tablet Jul 05 03:31:27 good point. that is kind of important Jul 05 03:55:53 Argggh. I want to have a header expand when tapped... but it won't resize if I add a class that sets the height to auto. Jul 05 03:56:17 Anyone have an idea? Jul 05 03:57:56 Roy-Pre101: a header widget? Jul 05 03:58:26 It's just a div at the top of my scene. Jul 05 03:59:06 Roy-Pre101: have u tried using the inspector? Jul 05 03:59:17 so can you just make it one height as one class and another height as the other class? instead of auto Jul 05 03:59:44 I don't know the height it will be. Jul 05 03:59:56 I want it to expand to fit the text. Jul 05 03:59:57 try 100%? Jul 05 04:02:29 OK, that might do it. Jul 05 04:02:40 (not 100%, just removing the other class entirely. Jul 05 04:02:41 ) Jul 05 04:02:52 damn, you could have let me dream Jul 05 04:02:56 I tried doing .class1 .class2 { height: auto; } Jul 05 04:03:15 Instead I'm just swapping out the styles entirely. Jul 05 04:04:20 That -should- work, shouldn't it? Jul 05 04:04:28 (the first way I tried) Jul 05 04:04:52 it seems so Jul 05 04:24:29 I wish I could animate it. Jul 05 04:24:39 I suppose I could capture the height and just animate it that way. Jul 05 04:24:46 Hmm, maybe I will. Jul 05 04:24:54 Would be easier than everything I was trying. Jul 05 04:25:00 Roy-Pre101: can't you use -webkit-transition? Jul 05 04:52:23 sugardave: I wonder if it's moving from height: auto to height: xxpx; Jul 05 04:54:15 err... wonder if it works moving... Jul 05 04:54:49 it should, I think Jul 05 05:01:32 Hmm... It behaved odly. Also odd is the text suddenly snaps into view and then the background with attachment: bottom doesn't snap into place until the transition is done. Jul 05 05:01:37 Totally not working nicely. Jul 05 05:02:43 I sort-of expected the background to animate down. Jul 05 05:03:38 Roy-Pre101: working on WOR app? Jul 05 05:04:25 yep Jul 05 05:04:39 nice, have yet to download it but I shall soon Jul 05 05:16:38 yo yo Jul 05 05:17:49 Wondering how hard it'll be to add oAuth to it. Jul 05 05:17:54 OAuth? Jul 05 05:17:59 OaUtH? Jul 05 05:18:06 Ouaaaaaauth Jul 05 05:18:23 Roy-Pre101: trying to figure out the whole Oauth thing myself Jul 05 05:18:42 think sugardave is also Jul 05 05:20:45 there are articles on webos101.com Jul 05 05:20:59 Just haven't read them enough to understand how it works in practice. Jul 05 05:22:45 worked on some bauth stuff from yahoo some years ago, and finally understood it but have since forgotten Jul 05 05:23:05 Well, I guess it's actually just a link to jfelectron's github page. Jul 05 05:25:53 what api are you trying to use with oAuth? Jul 05 05:37:29 Roy-Pre101: have u seen jfelectron on recently? Jul 05 05:39:21 nope Jul 05 05:39:24 twitter Jul 05 05:41:24 me neither, will email him tommorrow Jul 05 05:42:06 been like months since i saw him in irc Jul 05 05:44:26 he helped me get some apps working Jul 05 05:53:59 need to see how the Cloud Hopper guy did it. Jul 05 05:57:41 will download "cloud hopper" tommorrow Jul 05 06:00:28 Roy-Pre101: I have been working on oauth, it's hard (for me)....but at least now I understand how to do oob instead of url callback and I just had my first successful try at getting the oauth_verifier Jul 05 06:02:40 sugardave: just kinda confused how to get all the authintication on Webos sent a server and back.... Jul 05 06:03:53 sent to a server and back... Jul 05 06:04:03 maybe looking at it all wrong Jul 05 06:04:16 I'm doing individual ajax requests for the steps I can Jul 05 06:04:37 the only thing you can't do is use a url callback, you have to do the user auth part 'out of band' Jul 05 06:04:53 so, I have a webview for that part Jul 05 06:04:59 now I can get the verifier Jul 05 06:05:10 so, presumably I can get the access token (last part) Jul 05 06:05:28 I'm gearing up to test that part soon Jul 05 06:06:01 morning Jul 05 06:06:08 hi swisstomcat Jul 05 06:06:30 morning swisstomcat Jul 05 06:06:39 still awake? Jul 05 06:07:30 yeah forsure creature of the night Jul 05 06:08:10 sugardave: no url callback b/c a mobile does not have a fixed IP? Jul 05 06:09:08 did daylight savings just happen or something Jul 05 06:09:12 because no socket, I think...not sure what the true technical limitation is Jul 05 06:09:37 sugardave: k Jul 05 06:11:52 sugardave: Keep me in the loop, I want to figure it out. Jul 05 06:12:45 going to rewrite an IM/ Chat client that I built in 2008 for webos, will skip oAuth for the first release Jul 05 06:13:14 lonestar: pdk? Jul 05 06:13:45 note that I am only talking about oAuth as a "consumer" and not a "service provider" Jul 05 06:15:15 swisstomcat: neah, would try hybrid, but no go for now and do not know C/C++ to make it pure Jul 05 06:18:19 swisstomcat: http://uoid.me/bob4 Jul 05 06:22:59 Good morning people Jul 05 06:23:00 sugardave: yeah gonna use an external api using authenticate oauth Jul 05 06:23:09 HotDP: morning Jul 05 06:24:00 mroning hotdp Jul 05 06:27:59 what i have been messing with the PDK, it seems that it is purely a graphic api Jul 05 06:28:23 not only Jul 05 06:29:15 hopefully not, but have a very little understanding of how the "includes" etc work in c/c++ Jul 05 06:30:27 also, what if you want to make AJAX calls using the PDK, even worse, am a blind dude in that area Jul 05 06:33:08 i've yet to play with the pdk Jul 05 06:33:12 it's installed tho Jul 05 06:36:53 hmmmmmm, any lawyers in the house? Jul 05 06:36:55 for now, I think th PDK, really only supports graphic stuff Jul 05 06:37:46 Tibfib: not here but know abit about IP Jul 05 06:38:24 well I just need to get a terms & conditions page for my messaging client Jul 05 06:38:36 I was looking for advice and/or help with it Jul 05 06:39:06 legalzoom? Jul 05 06:39:39 I've never been there Jul 05 06:41:00 tibfib: copy and paste the terms from a similar "terms and cond" and modify it Jul 05 06:41:37 lol, that would be funny if it said "information on this website can not be used in any other site without express permission" or something like that Jul 05 06:41:51 sugardave: looking into it Jul 05 06:42:23 they advertise on the radio a lot around here Jul 05 06:43:05 Tibfib: that is why u modify it, at the end anyone can get sued Jul 05 06:44:26 my terms and conditions... this app may destroy your life, kill loved ones and make your life a living hell.. you have been warned Jul 05 06:44:44 heh, that might work Jul 05 06:44:46 EmmettLollis: lol Jul 05 06:45:07 and if you get walking directions from my app... please don't be stupid enough to cross heavy traffic Jul 05 06:45:23 lol Jul 05 06:45:26 DangerWalk Jul 05 06:45:33 yeah Jul 05 06:45:38 that's a great app, with the right ToS Jul 05 06:45:50 heh Jul 05 06:45:56 i needed a good laugh Jul 05 06:46:40 been going through my own living hell for the past 4 hours Jul 05 06:50:05 i want the 90s back Jul 05 06:50:16 oh the 90s Jul 05 06:50:26 feel so far away Jul 05 06:50:37 yup Jul 05 06:51:43 if i only had a time machine Jul 05 06:52:14 no wait i'd still be old if i went back in a time machine Jul 05 06:53:10 time forward to anti-aging era, then back to the 90s Jul 05 06:53:34 that might work Jul 05 06:53:56 woo, oauth technically works in my proof-of-concept test Jul 05 06:54:11 oauth? Jul 05 06:54:19 dangit filing a trademark is expensive Jul 05 06:54:38 is it? i figured it was like $50 Jul 05 06:54:46 EmmettLollis: http://oauth.net/ Jul 05 06:54:53 well legalzoom is ~$500 Jul 05 06:54:58 Tibfib: ouch Jul 05 06:55:06 hmm Jul 05 06:55:10 Tibfib: yeah trademark is about $400+ Jul 05 06:55:10 try www.uspto.gov Jul 05 06:55:26 diy, might save $ Jul 05 06:55:27 looks like I'll have to wait to start making money before getting the legal crap out of the way Jul 05 06:55:51 i think you can still mark your stuff with (tm) before officially getting the trademark Jul 05 06:55:54 Tibfib: go thru the us.gov before any legalzoom stuff Jul 05 06:56:01 thats what i was advised Jul 05 06:56:10 and yes, diy should be cheaper Jul 05 06:56:39 yeah forusre Jul 05 06:57:09 EmmettLollis: oauth lets you do things like have your app send the user to facebook (for example) and have them authorize your app to do things on their behalf without your app ever needing to know their facebook credentials Jul 05 06:57:10 yeah, I wasn't set on using legalzoom, just checking out options Jul 05 06:57:26 oooh, thats nice sugardave Jul 05 06:57:48 * EmmettLollis is still listening to 90s music Jul 05 06:58:14 you know, good music is supposed to come around every 20 years... why hasn't that happened this time? Jul 05 06:59:35 listening to enimen now Jul 05 07:00:03 * EmmettLollis is listening to 90s alternative Jul 05 07:01:36 i think all the people in charge of whats thrown on the radio are completely tasteless anymore Jul 05 07:02:08 EmmettLollis: i agree Jul 05 07:02:56 this more about cash than talent these days in the music industry Jul 05 07:03:13 and taking the cash away from the artist Jul 05 07:03:25 yeap Jul 05 07:03:47 its like me making an app... they sell it, make money off it, then stick me with a bill for promoting my app Jul 05 07:04:27 thats what happens with music Jul 05 07:04:35 evryone needs to make money Jul 05 07:04:53 i guess thats why i'm not a musician Jul 05 07:05:19 oh wait, i'm a photographer, thats just as bad Jul 05 07:05:20 that is why iraq and afganistan will never be won Jul 05 07:06:12 if i had a dollar for everytime someone wanted me to do photos for free... i'd have money Jul 05 07:06:57 at least if i put an app in the catalog i know someone is going to have to pay me a buck or two if they want to use it Jul 05 07:07:10 no negotiations involved Jul 05 07:09:44 Palm: Give me the damn sales reports! Jul 05 07:10:33 the problem with most militaries is that they assume cause they have unlimited budgets they will rule the world Jul 05 07:11:28 money buys greed and intentions that will not ever be forfilled Jul 05 07:11:50 b/c of corruption Jul 05 07:13:04 everyone needs to get paid, and the poor will continue to be poor Jul 05 07:14:01 haiti with the influx of billions will see about 5% if not less Jul 05 07:16:08 Roy-Pre101: I've been butchering this: http://github.com/fillito/WebOS-OAuth Jul 05 07:17:47 haiti as of 5 years will still be eating mud pies Jul 05 07:18:53 http://uoid.me/mud1 Jul 05 07:19:20 dannnnnnngit. I need to sleep. night all Jul 05 07:19:39 Tibfib: GN Jul 05 07:24:47 sugardave: Can you add that link in to webos101.com? Jul 05 07:25:03 night tibfib Jul 05 07:25:14 hotdp: yeah, i agree .. 5 business days apparently Jul 05 07:27:26 So wensday ? Jul 05 07:28:49 i hope so Jul 05 07:28:56 first time >100euros/dollars Jul 05 07:30:16 :) Jul 05 07:36:48 well, nothing like wasting an hour on something that looks like crap and you'll have to scrap it. Jul 05 07:39:32 Good dev's can scrap :) Bad keep Jul 05 07:41:59 good devs fail faster Jul 05 07:47:01 did anyone ever purchase the winning app? Jul 05 07:47:07 pandora? Jul 05 07:47:11 No Jul 05 07:47:32 the visual voise one Jul 05 07:47:57 for the paid apps Jul 05 07:48:22 ah, that one Jul 05 07:48:41 doesn't work outside the US Jul 05 07:49:35 never tried it either Jul 05 08:03:24 love that WebOS has no stopping, Jul 05 08:04:18 rich as Google and MS Jul 05 08:04:34 HP has provided the cash flow Jul 05 08:04:39 or will Jul 05 08:04:57 and Apple Jul 05 08:06:19 excited to see what happens Jul 05 08:08:17 yeah, me too Jul 05 08:10:05 in my opinion the best OS for a laptop or Desktop is MacOS, even though win7 is good Jul 05 08:10:35 good = "stable" Jul 05 08:11:32 for servers: Linux and FreeBSD Jul 05 08:12:44 mobile: Webos, Iphone, and maybe android Jul 05 08:17:51 marketshare: iPhone, Android, WebOS Jul 05 08:20:32 * sugardave feels temporarily smug. Jul 05 08:21:08 and now I sleep well Jul 05 08:21:13 lol Jul 05 08:35:39 hi all Jul 05 08:35:46 hi Jul 05 08:36:09 hi Jul 05 08:36:17 hi JenP Jul 05 08:36:25 hey guys Jul 05 08:40:44 * dkirker is trying to pixi-fy his app :/ Jul 05 08:40:55 what are you up to JenP? Jul 05 08:40:57 Hi JenP Jul 05 08:41:16 finishing some code Jul 05 08:41:24 hi LoneStar99 Jul 05 08:42:12 we are not friends just being polite Jul 05 08:42:49 correct Jul 05 08:43:28 cool Jul 05 08:43:45 sounds like magic to me Jul 05 08:48:22 just excited, that a 2 year old project is going being reopened Jul 05 08:51:47 What can you tell about it+ Jul 05 09:03:48 Owe something to myself, need to try build something people will like and use Jul 05 09:23:55 I've got a newb question about JavaScript... Easier to ask then setup a test case to make sure I understand... Jul 05 09:24:04 go ahead Jul 05 09:25:14 If I use a statement like myArray.push(oMyObject); then do I store an copy of the object in the array, or a reference to the original? (which would be modified if I change the array's node) Jul 05 09:25:35 i would assume a copy Jul 05 09:25:58 that's what I was thinking, but when you assign an array = anotherArray it saves a reference... hmmm Jul 05 09:26:00 maybe I should test it Jul 05 09:32:16 it stores a reference to the object... Jul 05 09:32:30 hmm Jul 05 09:34:23 I ran this test in firebug: var myArr = []; var myObject = {test: 'test2'}; myArr[0] = myObject; myArr[0].test = 'test2'; alert(myObject.test); Jul 05 09:34:31 and it alerted test2, not test Jul 05 09:34:45 lol wait let me test that again lol Jul 05 09:35:37 ok, I typo'd it, but got the same result after I fixed it (change [test: 'test2'} to {test: 'test'} Jul 05 09:36:01 grr the [ should be { Jul 05 09:36:56 and verified here: http://my.opera.com/GreyWyvern/blog/show.dml/1725165 Jul 05 09:39:25 There is a nice elegant solution in that link too Jul 05 09:41:53 i was wrong then Jul 05 09:42:39 :) no worries, I was thinking it was a copy as well, I'm glad I didn't assume... it would have been disasterous :) Jul 05 10:21:03 hmmm has any one ever gotten an 'INVALID_CHARACTER_ERR: DOM Exception 5' error when loading up an app? Jul 05 10:21:14 that's from the log file in the emulator **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 18:54:14 2010 Jul 05 18:54:15 Subject* maybe? Jul 05 18:56:01 hahaha, yeah probes Jul 05 18:56:25 the main assistant really doesn't see the dialogs widgets at all Jul 05 18:57:30 did you do the Ares.setupDialog(this, inDialog, "dialog1"); in your dialog assistant's setup()? Jul 05 18:57:38 yes Jul 05 18:57:43 maybe instead of this, you need this.sceneAssistant Jul 05 18:57:55 * haeffb grasping at straws Jul 05 18:58:03 SimpsonTP, what's up? Jul 05 18:58:27 boom, there it is Jul 05 18:58:31 man, oauth is complicated Jul 05 18:58:57 think I will write up some signature information Jul 05 19:00:50 Lol. This is what happens when you create a framework and don't publish documentation. You get devs searching the catacombs of their memory searching for some elusive link to some obscure syntax anomoly which may or may not work in the end... Jul 05 19:02:02 Trying a hudren different combinations of code for an hour and halting googles servers. Jul 05 19:05:28 HEY ALL! Jul 05 19:05:28 anivrom: yea, but ain't it fun? Jul 05 19:05:44 kesne: hi Jul 05 19:05:46 hi kesne! Jul 05 19:05:59 hi kesne Jul 05 19:06:02 Hey look, it's my two favorite people! Jul 05 19:06:03 Yesterday it took me 40 minutes just to figure out how to get a picture widget to update its img. Turns out its an ares specific syntax that does the trick... Jul 05 19:07:12 Actually I'd much prefer to do away with the guess work and just have thorough documentation Jul 05 19:08:47 I'd pay $99 a year if it meant perfect documentation Jul 05 19:10:22 anyone played with extractfs? i'm banging my head against the wall Jul 05 19:11:17 It's actually funny and sad how tiny the documentation page is for ares. Jul 05 19:11:28 documentation is a strange thing .. the second it's done, it's out of date and useless Jul 05 19:12:36 Apple docs are decent Jul 05 19:13:02 Roy-Pre101: here's some stuff: http://webos101.com/OAuth_for_Web_Services Jul 05 19:14:02 The only issue is every online resource was written for OS 2 or 3 Jul 05 19:15:21 sugardave: Good, good. Jul 05 19:15:30 I'm still confused on how to do all this. Jul 05 19:15:37 hmmm i just tried to update my app and it immedietly came back rejected but with no reason why. just a blank screen. Anyone know why? Jul 05 19:15:41 yeah, that's going to take more time :D Jul 05 19:15:55 but, I think the signature was THE hardest thing for me to get in my head Jul 05 19:16:07 What service are you connecting with? Jul 05 19:16:15 freelancer.com API Jul 05 19:16:34 I can give you the high-level if you like Jul 05 19:16:58 everyone gather round as we try to unravel the mysteries of OAuth Jul 05 19:17:31 so, the first thing you do is figure out how to get a "request token" from the server...I just used regular Ajax and hit the provided URL Jul 05 19:18:21 you should get back a response that's going to have the token and a secret, keep them Jul 05 19:18:34 now, the tricky part in webOS Jul 05 19:18:55 JenP: If you use an undocumented API, com.palm appid, etc, you automatically get rejected now Jul 05 19:19:18 If I recall, they added in an automated system that checks all of your code. Jul 05 19:19:19 usually when you send the request for the request token, you provide a callback URL for the use to go to and say 'Yes, allow this app to better my life.' Jul 05 19:19:28 hmmm...and they don't give you a reason why? Jul 05 19:19:32 the report comes up blank Jul 05 19:19:59 Well then I don't know Jul 05 19:20:11 Try redoing it Jul 05 19:20:14 but, no callback URLs for us...so, you send 'oob' as the callback URL to the oauth server...this lets the server know that you now have to let the user manually allow you and you will get the 'verifier' in another request Jul 05 19:20:16 And ping chuq Jul 05 19:20:27 i did...i am lol Jul 05 19:20:49 I just used a WebView and sent the user to the 'authorize token' page Jul 05 19:21:11 now, the next tricky part....how do I know the user authorized/clicked the button in the webview? Jul 05 19:21:13 hi Jul 05 19:21:18 I can't really, so I make a reasonable guess Jul 05 19:21:47 if the get redirected to a url path that is different than a login page, etc. I'm pretty confident they finished the verification process Jul 05 19:22:25 now, I make another request to the oauth server with the last token I got (and other info) and request that token's 'verifier' Jul 05 19:22:38 which should exist after the user hits the allow button on the remote server Jul 05 19:23:12 hi metaview Jul 05 19:23:15 if I get the verifier back, NOW I can finally use the verified token, its secret, AND the verifier to request an access token and access token secret Jul 05 19:23:24 if I get those, then I'm golden Jul 05 19:23:28 yeah, simple right :P Jul 05 19:23:34 very simple Jul 05 19:23:42 and I save them off, and should only have to use those from now on Jul 05 19:23:47 pandora--: easy as cake Jul 05 19:23:49 now i wish i could get extractfs to work :( Jul 05 19:24:18 sugardave: That sounds a bit fiddly. Jul 05 19:24:19 Roy-Pre101: get all that? :D Jul 05 19:24:47 Roy-Pre101: that is how oauth is...the only other option is callback URLs, which don't work Jul 05 19:25:15 Hmm... Jul 05 19:25:26 Did you check out how cloud hopper is doing it? Jul 05 19:25:46 Does anybody know how to throw up an alert dialog without this.controller? Jul 05 19:26:22 Roy-Pre101: no, what is it? Jul 05 19:28:26 It's a game in the catalog. Jul 05 19:28:39 It has twitter integration and they're doing the oauth with a webview somehow. Jul 05 19:28:46 Maybe the same way you described it, don't know. Jul 05 19:29:00 yeah, same with tweetme Jul 05 19:29:03 I'm downloading the lite version Jul 05 19:29:11 but I would guess it's the same Jul 05 19:29:28 they might do it on there own server Jul 05 19:29:39 until we get callback URLs or your oauth sp gives jsonp support the options are limited Jul 05 19:31:21 heh, cute game anyway Jul 05 19:36:47 okay, using what you guys told me (which i didn't know before i tried doing it with ares), i went back and did it by hand. slowly. doubling with what you said. it works. Jul 05 19:36:53 *hands out cookies* Jul 05 19:36:59 thank you Jul 05 19:37:03 So, for creating pixi specific code/stylesheets/images, do I need to do anything special beyond creating a platforms/pixie/ directory? Jul 05 19:37:18 and, good afternoon everyone! :) Jul 05 19:38:21 Whish! Jul 05 19:38:24 wonder why they call it pixie :) Jul 05 19:38:38 I hate Shannon Jul 05 19:38:45 I wish she would just die already Jul 05 19:39:10 hi dkirker Jul 05 19:39:15 hi sugardave Jul 05 19:39:22 Hey Kesne Jul 05 19:39:27 There, now I feel loved Jul 05 19:39:55 hello kesne Jul 05 19:40:00 dkirker: sounds fancy, I just use class names :D Jul 05 19:40:22 dkirker Jul 05 19:40:29 Where does your name come from? Jul 05 19:40:40 my parents Jul 05 19:40:48 heh Jul 05 19:40:50 oh and I thought of another great reason for an infobot here....it could do Mojo->Ares translation or vice-versa Jul 05 19:42:16 dkirker: what is your real name? Jul 05 19:42:21 whois me Jul 05 19:43:56 ACarback: what was the final code that worked? Need to document on http://www.webos101.com Jul 05 19:44:14 yes. i will put that up. Jul 05 19:46:00 kesne: what's with all the questions? Jul 05 19:46:09 kesne: IRC likes anonimity :) Jul 05 19:46:29 amusingly, I am not anonymous in IRC :/ Jul 05 19:46:46 lol and he times out Jul 05 19:46:49 heh Jul 05 19:47:08 asking people's 'real' names in pub irc still seems so taboo Jul 05 19:47:17 ya Jul 05 19:48:35 kesne is kind of new to irc though, i suppose. he's 16 Jul 05 19:48:37 :) Jul 05 19:48:42 yeah Jul 05 19:48:46 * dkirker cuts him a break Jul 05 19:50:39 hrm Jul 05 19:52:03 hrmm Jul 05 19:52:05 error: Error: BrowserAdapter::saveViewToFile - Offscreen gfx surface null, line undefined, file undefined Jul 05 19:52:16 i can setup an info bot, if ya want Jul 05 19:52:23 sure Jul 05 19:53:04 alright it'll be up later this evening then Jul 05 19:53:09 name choice? Jul 05 19:53:35 hmmm Jul 05 19:53:50 is anyone doing the mobile cash quest? I dont get number 9 Jul 05 19:54:17 http://regex.info/exif-data/296db466848c3106d335bd237e639443.gif "Its complicated... who made it?" Jul 05 19:55:21 CAHHAG Jul 05 19:55:29 hi MetaView Jul 05 19:55:34 hi :) Jul 05 19:55:43 dammit Jul 05 19:56:02 extractfs works, just had to restart the emulator ... bah, hours wasted :( Jul 05 19:56:17 what's the thing behind exttractfs? Jul 05 19:56:18 CABBAG? Jul 05 19:56:24 good afternoon everyone Jul 05 19:56:32 good evening Jul 05 19:56:32 metaview: you can resize pictures on the fly Jul 05 19:56:38 oh, cool Jul 05 19:57:13 what is the mobile cash quest? Jul 05 19:57:15 damn windows sucks, had to restart laptop after had restarted it 3 days ago... Jul 05 19:57:32 its an app Jul 05 19:58:04 LoneStar99: my laptop runs usually several weeks before restart Jul 05 19:58:17 windows update is the reason when it restarts Jul 05 19:58:29 MetaView: same here.. I only restart for updates Jul 05 19:58:39 Aurash: interesting, I thought these types would fall under games of skill clauses in many states Jul 05 19:58:43 unfortunately, windows update sometimes forces the laptop to restart even if i don't want it... Jul 05 19:58:50 i.e. I ditched my plans for fear of legal issues Jul 05 19:59:04 what? Jul 05 19:59:34 sugardave: What did you find out? Jul 05 19:59:34 sugardave: I host your gamble and sexual stuff, and you host my stuff which includes explicite violence :) Jul 05 19:59:53 games of skill where the winners are not selected by chance are heavily regulated by many states in the US Jul 05 20:00:02 MetaView: yeah, usually the same, been a weird week for windows on my laptop Jul 05 20:00:26 and if they ARE selected by chance, that's a whole 'nother ballgame Jul 05 20:00:44 im honestly doing this for kicks Jul 05 20:00:48 and number 9 has stupmed me Jul 05 20:01:00 PDK apps, how to specify a font running on windows? Jul 05 20:01:28 how does it sound like� Jul 05 20:01:30 � Jul 05 20:01:33 ? Jul 05 20:02:16 metaview: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=5822 Jul 05 20:04:30 thx Jul 05 20:04:49 Hey MetaView Jul 05 20:04:56 hi Jul 05 20:05:04 no Jul 05 20:07:09 hrmm Jul 05 20:07:13 what does "Error: BrowserAdapter::saveViewToFile - Offscreen gfx surface null, line undefined, file undefined" mean? Jul 05 20:08:04