**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 02:59:57 2010 Jul 08 03:08:28 Cash left quick Jul 08 03:11:17 webOS-info: JenP Jul 08 03:11:17 i heard JenP was obsessed with shoes Jul 08 03:11:23 still? Jul 08 03:11:33 a girl can never have too many Jul 08 03:11:34 hi guys Jul 08 03:11:44 Roy-Pre101: alarms at 0.5 mins in the future work just fine Jul 08 03:12:00 according to the docs they fire "within a few seconds" Jul 08 03:12:18 JenP! Jul 08 03:12:26 kesne! Jul 08 03:12:33 Is my sandwich done already?? Jul 08 03:12:34 haeffb: Thanks! Is that 'in' or 'at' ? Jul 08 03:12:35 using the alarm protocol, instead of 5 minutes? Jul 08 03:12:43 Roy-Pre101: that is an "at" Jul 08 03:12:43 ha! my lawn still needs to be mowed Jul 08 03:12:48 at Jul 08 03:12:49 Mmm, OK Jul 08 03:12:52 Like I said, I'm not mexican Jul 08 03:12:55 That's how we've got it. Jul 08 03:13:09 kesne: A few tequilas and you'll be one. Jul 08 03:13:13 that's why all the 'turn a date into a string' stuff is in the example Jul 08 03:13:33 webOS-info sugardave Jul 08 03:13:33 Dave's not here! Jul 08 03:13:41 webOS-info sugardave Jul 08 03:13:41 hmmm... sugardave is an enigma Jul 08 03:14:05 should be "Dave's not here...man!" Jul 08 03:15:14 webOS-info: sugardave Jul 08 03:15:14 you are an enigma Jul 08 03:15:16 webOS-info: sugardave Jul 08 03:15:16 you are haeffb's arch-foe Jul 08 03:15:18 webOS-info: sugardave Jul 08 03:15:18 Dave's not here! Jul 08 03:15:21 webOS-info: sugardave Jul 08 03:15:21 you are probably haeffb's arch-foe Jul 08 03:15:24 webOS-info: sugardave Jul 08 03:15:24 i guess sugardave is haeffb's arch-foe Jul 08 03:15:26 webOS-info: sugardave Jul 08 03:15:27 Dave's not here, man! Jul 08 03:15:29 there Jul 08 03:15:32 lol Jul 08 03:15:34 it's in there Jul 08 03:15:39 sweet Jul 08 03:15:40 * CTLAdvance about to slap someone with a trout Jul 08 03:15:49 somebody else added the other one Jul 08 03:15:51 EmmettLollis: finally was able to purchase Jul 08 03:15:54 you can only slap the whipping boy Jul 08 03:15:58 webOS-info: slap Jul 08 03:15:58 * webOS-info slaps the whipping boy Jul 08 03:16:04 haha Jul 08 03:16:15 whos the hwhipping boy?4 Jul 08 03:16:25 * sugardave points at kesne and laughs. Jul 08 03:16:34 webOS-info: whipping boy Jul 08 03:16:34 rumour has it whipping boy is kesne Jul 08 03:16:40 * CTLAdvance trout slaps everyone except the whipping boy Jul 08 03:16:45 haha Jul 08 03:16:47 webos-info: tibfib Jul 08 03:16:47 kesne: excuse me? Jul 08 03:16:50 Arg Jul 08 03:16:54 :'( Jul 08 03:17:11 so our bot is british/not american Jul 08 03:17:11 webos-info: kesne Jul 08 03:17:11 kesne thinks anivrom is his best friend Jul 08 03:17:21 webos-info: kesne Jul 08 03:17:22 kesne thinks anivrom is his best friend Jul 08 03:17:26 That's it!? Jul 08 03:17:26 How does this bot come up with this stuff? Jul 08 03:17:35 magic Jul 08 03:17:35 YOU CHANGED IT!? Jul 08 03:17:44 webOS-info: mojo Jul 08 03:17:44 mojo is magic Jul 08 03:17:59 I know its through user input but I'm curious as to what algorithm it calculates and merges statements the way it does lol Jul 08 03:18:29 bot something is this|that|the other thing makes it choose randomly Jul 08 03:18:41 webos-info: kesne Jul 08 03:18:41 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness. Jul 08 03:18:59 do this to forget silly lies Jul 08 03:19:02 webOS-info: forget kesne Jul 08 03:19:02 Tibfib: I forgot kesne Jul 08 03:19:35 webos-info: kesne Jul 08 03:19:35 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness. Jul 08 03:19:38 HA Jul 08 03:19:56 well, then they can reset it easily Jul 08 03:20:59 webOS-info: bananas Jul 08 03:20:59 * webOS-info looks at sugardave and says "banana banana banana!" Jul 08 03:21:31 * haeffb notes that the bot can also be useful Jul 08 03:21:35 webOS-info 101 Jul 08 03:21:35 rumour has it 101 is http://www.webos101.com Jul 08 03:21:47 webOS-info: snippets Jul 08 03:21:47 snippets are found at http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets Jul 08 03:21:55 I used that one earlier! Jul 08 03:22:10 webOS-info: mojo database questions Jul 08 03:22:10 mojo database questions are best answered by haeffb Jul 08 03:22:11 how do we command webOS-info Jul 08 03:22:29 CTLAdvance: just direct a message to him Jul 08 03:22:31 webOS-info: bmyers Jul 08 03:22:31 bmyers is the guy ruling Guy Rules Jul 08 03:22:33 webOS-info CTLAdvance is inquisitive Jul 08 03:22:33 OK, haeffb. Jul 08 03:22:34 webOS-info: bmyers Jul 08 03:22:34 hmmm... bmyers is the guy ruling Guy Rules Jul 08 03:22:43 dammit, do the other one Jul 08 03:22:46 webOS-info CTLAdvance Jul 08 03:22:46 CTLAdvance is inquisitive Jul 08 03:22:49 * sugardave threatens webOS-info. Jul 08 03:23:09 webOS-info forget CTLAdvance Jul 08 03:23:09 haeffb: I forgot ctladvance Jul 08 03:23:13 * CTLAdvance very interesting Jul 08 03:23:14 webOS-info CTLAdvance Jul 08 03:23:14 haeffb: huh? Jul 08 03:23:17 webOS-info: bmyers Jul 08 03:23:17 it has been said that bmyers is the other Mojo Storage database expert (with haeffb) Jul 08 03:23:20 * Tibfib needs to get back to work...again Jul 08 03:23:25 there we go Jul 08 03:23:42 webOS-info haeffb the force is strong with this one Jul 08 03:23:42 OK, CTLAdvance. Jul 08 03:23:59 webOS-info: haeffb Jul 08 03:23:59 i heard haeffb was black Jul 08 03:24:06 haha ugh Jul 08 03:24:14 CTLAdvance: that won't work Jul 08 03:24:15 webOS-info: haeffb the force Jul 08 03:24:15 haeffb the force is strong with this one Jul 08 03:24:32 webOS-info: bot info? Jul 08 03:24:32 tibfib: i don't know Jul 08 03:24:36 hmm Jul 08 03:24:36 CTLAdvance X is Y Jul 08 03:24:45 webOS-info: forget haeffb the force Jul 08 03:24:45 sugardave: I forgot haeffb the force Jul 08 03:24:49 webOS-info: shutdown Jul 08 03:24:49 rwhitby: excuse me? Jul 08 03:24:50 ah i see Jul 08 03:24:56 webOS-info: botslap Jul 08 03:24:56 rwhitby: what? Jul 08 03:25:05 try botsmack Jul 08 03:25:18 webOS-info bot info is http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html Jul 08 03:25:18 OK, haeffb. Jul 08 03:25:23 webOS-info trout-smak sugardave Jul 08 03:25:23 CTLAdvance: i'm not following you... Jul 08 03:25:35 hmmm, I tried setting bot info earlier... something Jul 08 03:25:38 webos-info: webos Jul 08 03:25:38 i heard webos was magical Jul 08 03:25:41 bot instructions, or something Jul 08 03:25:45 webos-info webos Jul 08 03:25:45 webos is awesome Jul 08 03:25:50 webos-info webos Jul 08 03:25:50 i think webos is scary Jul 08 03:26:20 webOS-info webos is chickens Jul 08 03:26:20 ...but webos is awesome|magical|scary... Jul 08 03:26:35 webos-info forget webos Jul 08 03:26:35 CTLAdvance: I forgot webos Jul 08 03:26:37 webOS-info webos is also chickens Jul 08 03:26:37 OK, haeffb. Jul 08 03:26:38 now use is also |your thing Jul 08 03:26:44 :'( Jul 08 03:26:44 oops Jul 08 03:26:46 hehe Jul 08 03:26:50 arg its been a while since ive done it with a bot Jul 08 03:26:52 err... Jul 08 03:26:56 haha Jul 08 03:27:11 CTLAdvance: You're banned from bot usage! D:< Jul 08 03:27:18 webos-info graph Jul 08 03:27:18 graph is http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png Jul 08 03:27:20 that should be quoted somewhere Jul 08 03:27:34 webOS-info webos is also awesome | magical | scary Jul 08 03:27:34 okay, haeffb. Jul 08 03:27:35 is bash.org still around Jul 08 03:27:37 webOS-info: ban list is CTLAdvance Jul 08 03:27:37 OK, Tibfib. Jul 08 03:27:45 we can add as time goes on :) Jul 08 03:27:56 webos-info ban list Jul 08 03:27:57 ban list is CTLAdvance Jul 08 03:28:18 webOS-info lmgtfy Jul 08 03:28:18 lmgtfy is go to http://www.google.com Jul 08 03:28:27 webos-info kesne Jul 08 03:28:27 you are hmmm, ask again later Jul 08 03:28:36 webos-info kesne Jul 08 03:28:36 you are probably hmmm, ask again later Jul 08 03:28:45 we need a lmgtfy bot. So webOS-info: lmgtfy chicken Jul 08 03:29:00 comes up with http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chicken Jul 08 03:29:08 I concur Jul 08 03:29:59 webos-info sad Jul 08 03:29:59 CTLAdvance: i'm not following you... Jul 08 03:30:39 eventually: http://bash.org/?925591 Jul 08 03:31:25 haha Jul 08 03:32:23 webos-info list Jul 08 03:32:23 CTLAdvance: huh? Jul 08 03:33:25 So was someone saying the alarm request can be set less than 5 minutes now Jul 08 03:34:30 i'm back Jul 08 03:34:50 Mojo.Model.format is awesome Jul 08 03:35:00 EmmettLollis: you left? Jul 08 03:35:04 looks like i'm up to 5 users besides myself Jul 08 03:35:05 sugardave: what's it do? Jul 08 03:35:17 run text indexer is sweet Jul 08 03:35:19 i know kesne, it's hard to believe Jul 08 03:35:33 wait. just kidding wrong thing Jul 08 03:35:36 kesne: it's purpose is to run through an object and re-format properties to display in a template Jul 08 03:36:03 ATT has the pre? Jul 08 03:36:11 + Jul 08 03:36:12 yes Jul 08 03:36:24 I'm using it to add formatters-like behavior to a custom dialog, since surprisingly the showialog method lacks a formatters object Jul 08 03:37:05 oil! Jul 08 03:37:44 CTLAdvance it can't be set IN less than 5 mins, but it can be set AT less than 5 mins in the future... Jul 08 03:38:09 EmmettLollis: 4 besides u an me Jul 08 03:38:20 oh ok Jul 08 03:38:27 sugardave: similar to list formatters? Jul 08 03:38:32 so use the alarm instead of the time Jul 08 03:38:35 yes, exactly Jul 08 03:38:37 er...probably the same thing Jul 08 03:38:41 nice Jul 08 03:38:47 why would i get this error from "Mojo.Menu.editItem" warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget ' ', since it has not been set up. Jul 08 03:39:08 right haeffb Jul 08 03:39:08 sorry instead of the time period ie 5 minutes vs time + 5 minutes Jul 08 03:39:14 one pixi user Jul 08 03:39:20 CTLAdvance: http://webos101.com/Alarms Jul 08 03:39:32 isn't that just a standard mojo menu? do i need to do something special for it? Jul 08 03:39:34 one on ATT Jul 08 03:39:47 sugardave: I'm absolutely dying reading that bash.org Jul 08 03:39:57 it's up? Jul 08 03:40:01 you've never seen bash.org before? Jul 08 03:40:05 wife thinks I'm insane Jul 08 03:40:19 oh, that shit is hilarious man Jul 08 03:40:25 oil: different part of the internet Jul 08 03:40:27 no, just top 100 stuff Jul 08 03:40:30 "I put on my robe and my wizard hat." Jul 08 03:40:42 zsoc: its all the same internet Jul 08 03:41:17 haeffb: me too Jul 08 03:41:40 what, you think he's insane also? Jul 08 03:42:01 webOS-info: rimshot Jul 08 03:42:01 http://www.instantrimshot.com/ Jul 08 03:42:10 heh, yes. I'm reading bash.org Jul 08 03:42:32 The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Jul 08 03:42:44 +1 Jul 08 03:42:58 the problem with stupidity, is nobody thinks they're stupid Jul 08 03:43:15 if someone makes a stupid decision, they don't think its stupid, or they never would have made it in the first place Jul 08 03:43:30 What is this place, /b/? Jul 08 03:43:55 hahah http://bash.org/?171987 Jul 08 03:44:09 Apple dumped the geek/hobbyist market to go after the highly profitable moron/trendy market. Jul 08 03:44:10 Jul 08 03:44:14 hahahah, these are so funny Jul 08 03:44:54 I have a feeling sugardave got me in their Jul 08 03:44:56 there Jul 08 03:45:00 err Jul 08 03:45:11 I submitted it, but it's still in moderation Jul 08 03:45:15 lol Jul 08 03:45:23 heh Jul 08 03:52:52 IRC is just multiplayer notepad. Jul 08 03:53:31 with trouts Jul 08 03:53:38 thats a pretty good explaination Jul 08 03:54:21 at work when i remotedesktop into someone elses machine to help them Jul 08 03:54:26 i use notepad to talk at them, lol Jul 08 03:54:29 MMONP, mass multiplayer notepad! Jul 08 03:54:41 * Anivrom smells a new genre being birthed Jul 08 03:54:47 oil: nice Jul 08 03:55:30 Yea teachers used to do that when they booted into your computers in the lab. Jul 08 03:59:18 aparently my facebook marketing got me 1 sale Jul 08 04:00:04 EmmettLollis: 100% improvement on last month? ;) Jul 08 04:00:18 yes Jul 08 04:00:24 haha Jul 08 04:00:30 200%, 1 asked fora refund :P Jul 08 04:00:34 lol Jul 08 04:00:59 Maybe I'll make a free trial version Jul 08 04:02:40 omg its zack wtf: my math teacher staples burger king applications to failed tests Jul 08 04:02:53 Anyone here coding on Windows 7 Jul 08 04:03:05 * oil does Jul 08 04:03:15 * EmmettLollis does also Jul 08 04:03:17 * Tibfib is as well Jul 08 04:03:41 * kesne does Jul 08 04:03:44 if I build an IDE and make it free of course would you use it, I would of course take suggestions for improvements Jul 08 04:03:55 CTLAdvance: <---- windows 7 Jul 08 04:04:02 I am thinking I need something better than what we have now and not as online as ares Jul 08 04:04:10 * oil uses eclipse Jul 08 04:04:22 yeah I dont like that layout Jul 08 04:04:22 notepad++ Jul 08 04:04:28 CTLAdvance yes we do need a better ide Jul 08 04:04:28 + batch files Jul 08 04:04:28 * pandora-- uses vim Jul 08 04:04:34 well i use it for php and other stuff, too Jul 08 04:04:34 I am thinking something totally dedicated to webOS Jul 08 04:04:38 * Anivrom ARES ftw Jul 08 04:04:41 but native Jul 08 04:04:52 I use Coda Jul 08 04:04:55 I like ares for lite stuff Jul 08 04:05:20 I dont see it ever being a replacement for a native editor Jul 08 04:05:24 i'm finally used to Ares but using it held me back in a lot of ways due to lack of documentation and other people with experience Jul 08 04:05:28 * rwhitby uses emacs-nox over ssh Jul 08 04:05:30 at least not in the next 2 - 5 years Jul 08 04:07:34 we need a way of dragging and dropping stuff between webOS cards Jul 08 04:07:50 then you could do a webOS GUI editor on-device Jul 08 04:09:25 I was thinking a couple of weeks ago that it might be cool to have a nice, graceful text editor for sdk apps... maybe figure out a way to use a server type setup to package your app so you could test it... Jul 08 04:09:45 I dunno... I was kinda dreaming Jul 08 04:10:08 it probably would be too frustrating to do any sort of real programming on your phone... Jul 08 04:10:27 I was sitting at the doctor's office thinking about a change I wanted to make lol Jul 08 04:10:39 My idea is to have the ide basically handle everything Jul 08 04:10:49 even do some generic setup that you might like to use Jul 08 04:11:03 as in I could build an app template of my own and have it use that Jul 08 04:11:06 and then I can edit Jul 08 04:11:11 and have it build and deploy on device Jul 08 04:11:21 or for those who use the emulator Jul 08 04:11:22 that Jul 08 04:11:51 so kinda like eclipse, but with a better system of adding scenes and stuff, so you can setup custom templates for a scenes... Jul 08 04:12:10 but custom, of course, but a similar feature set that way Jul 08 04:12:14 things like that yes Jul 08 04:12:27 much more webOS oriented Jul 08 04:14:12 hmmm... a plugin for eclipse that would allow you to add a scene, and it would show a bunch of template options instead of the simple window with a text box for the scene name... you could pick your default list scene, or a default webview scene and it would have the code and html basically setup... just need to customize it for your needs... Jul 08 04:14:23 let me take a stab and then we can somewhat community source it Jul 08 04:14:32 it will be its own app Jul 08 04:14:33 that sounds like fun to me Jul 08 04:14:36 I dislike eclipse Jul 08 04:14:43 do it in notepad++ :) Jul 08 04:14:49 thats what I use now Jul 08 04:15:12 just curious... what made you decide to use notepad++ instead of eclipse... what are your dislikes? Jul 08 04:15:31 brb Jul 08 04:15:32 i dislike using my mouse or buttons for coding Jul 08 04:15:36 honestly Jul 08 04:15:43 that's why i do 100% of my coding in vim Jul 08 04:15:44 eclipse is bloated. notepad++ is lean and fast Jul 08 04:15:47 regardless of language Jul 08 04:16:02 pandora--: eclipse has a vi plugin :) Jul 08 04:16:06 you mean buttons that you click with your mouse? Jul 08 04:16:16 and i can switch between projects/languages and not have to use different UIs or learn new IDEs, etc Jul 08 04:16:33 appamajig: onscreen buttons :) Jul 08 04:17:11 I like some features of eclipse, though I do agree that it's bloated... having JSLint and mozilla validation is nice (I've really only been doing sdk apps so far) Jul 08 04:17:30 there's also a sweet "compare" plug in for notepad... great for seeing why one version of your app works but your new one doesn't Jul 08 04:17:47 automatic formatting, and being able to customize the way it does that formatting is nice Jul 08 04:18:14 and eclipse does have a nice system to compare different files Jul 08 04:18:43 hmmm, not trying to convince anyone, of course, trying to see how other editors compare in these types of respects... it might be nice to switch... Jul 08 04:19:07 I ditched eclipse a long time ago for komodo, didn't get a chance to experiment with it...and now I really like notepad++ so I'm not going back Jul 08 04:20:14 pandora--: I use emacs in no-x mode for the same reasons as you use vim Jul 08 04:20:32 I've used notepad++ for some html editting in the past... and I had gig for a while... they had an application that was in actually in VB6... so I did that for a while and notepad++ was a nice editor when I need to do regular expression searches and whatnot Jul 08 04:21:22 I have been using Notepad ++ since 2007 Jul 08 04:21:27 Hmm I know this is "OT" atm but any reason why a tap event handler function would have scope issues accessing objects declared inside the game.js file the function itself is inside? Jul 08 04:21:33 eclipse doesnt ever seem stable to me so I stopped using it Jul 08 04:21:44 also its a bit overkill for not being that webos oriented Jul 08 04:21:53 so now I think ill start one we can crowdsource Jul 08 04:22:01 using notepad++, vim, emacs etc... all the lightweight editors... do you guys have to manually package and install your apps each time you test... or is there an automatic way...? Jul 08 04:22:01 well see what happens Jul 08 04:22:06 I need something better Jul 08 04:22:09 appamajig: batch files Jul 08 04:22:28 eclipse not stable? Jul 08 04:22:39 always is crashing on me Jul 08 04:22:43 anivrom: ummm... it might... Jul 08 04:22:47 probably something I am doing .... Jul 08 04:22:50 anivrom: scope is a crazy thing in javascript Jul 08 04:22:59 however I dont change that much and it goes down Jul 08 04:23:01 They are inside the same .js file.. why would it matter :/ Jul 08 04:23:12 so I stay away now unless I am coding java Jul 08 04:23:12 weak...if you have a link in your custom dialog, it is dismissed when a user clicks it before launching the browser Jul 08 04:23:23 anivrom: when you setup the listen do you set the callback function with .bind(this)? Jul 08 04:23:31 Yes Jul 08 04:23:49 I guess that's the scope issue? Jul 08 04:24:00 the tapHandler can't see game.js cause it's not bound to it? Jul 08 04:24:02 ctladvance: I get a random crash here or there... but it's fairly rare, I'll be very interested in what you come up with Jul 08 04:24:20 anivrom: yeah, it will call the function from the scope of where the listener was setup... Jul 08 04:24:28 Hmm how do I fix that Jul 08 04:24:36 use game.object? Jul 08 04:25:26 anivrom: hmmm... as far as the different files go... they're all of them global... it's the same as taking all the files and copy/pasting into one big file.... if you var myVariable in the top scope of a file (not within a function) it will be a global variable for every file in your project... as long as it's been loaded... Jul 08 04:25:57 yeah those crashes drive me nuts Jul 08 04:26:01 anivrom: that will probably do it... Jul 08 04:26:34 rwhitby: glad to know i'm not alone :) Jul 08 04:26:38 Yea the object who's property I am trying to edit is globally declared in teh game.js file. But I can't call it from the tapHandler function. Jul 08 04:26:56 pandora--: compare plugin? that'd be "git diff" Jul 08 04:27:04 anivrom: it depends on your implementation... what I've been doing is setting specific variable as being global... I make a globals.js file and declare all of the globally available variables there... and then even if I'm in the game function, I still use game.object or game.function() Jul 08 04:27:07 svn diff in my case :) Jul 08 04:27:12 but... yup! Jul 08 04:27:33 pandora--: wow, inferior technology for both editor and scm ;) Jul 08 04:27:34 hermm ok. Jul 08 04:27:42 harsh Jul 08 04:28:10 anivrom: so you say globally, you mean outside of any function, right? or just within the game function? Jul 08 04:28:48 anivrom: if you have something like function game() {var myvarl;} then that variable will ONLY be accessibly by functions that are within the game() function Jul 08 04:29:42 hmm caues taht doesn't seem to be the case. Jul 08 04:29:48 anivrom: that is a private-scope variable... if you want a public variable you need something like function game() {this.myfunc = function(args) {}}; Jul 08 04:29:55 Anivrom: just pastebin your source..... Jul 08 04:30:07 I have many variables declared inside teh game function and I can access them easily from my main assistant Jul 08 04:30:21 with game.enviroment.levels and such Jul 08 04:30:53 hmmm... that doesn't jive with my experience... but that doesn't necessarily mean anything :P can you do like tibfib suggested? Jul 08 04:31:27 rwhitby: hahaha oh are we goin there already? Jul 08 04:31:28 I got it working now, game.var worked great. Thanks for the scope lesson, I'll have to keep that in mind Jul 08 04:32:12 pandora--: I wonder what the Eclipse vs equivalent is? Jul 08 04:32:23 I had a hard time with it... I"ll find the link that finally figured it out for me... one moment Jul 08 04:33:11 okies thanks Jul 08 04:34:51 Anivrom: here it is... if you follow along with his description it will make a lot of things come together... it highlights some of the things about javascript that just doesn't make sense if you come from a stricter language... http://www.crockford.com/javascript/private.html Jul 08 04:35:10 same guy that made jslint... Jul 08 04:35:25 Nice Jul 08 04:37:20 rwhitby: eclipse vs. netbeans Jul 08 04:37:39 rwhitby: at least as a java developer (by day) that's a VERY common debate i hear Jul 08 04:37:47 hmmm... netbeans? I thought that was more or less java-only Jul 08 04:38:03 as i said... ;) Jul 08 04:38:25 ... :) Jul 08 04:56:29 aaahhh....shit. two hours wasted on bash.org and I gotta be at work early in the AM. Jul 08 04:56:38 doh Jul 08 04:56:39 funny as hell, though. Jul 08 04:56:51 sure is, it's been a couple years since i've been on it Jul 08 04:57:16 failblog.org Jul 08 04:57:19 ftw Jul 08 04:57:42 i used to go to fark.com a lot Jul 08 05:01:50 I used to go to alt.folklore.urban a lot Jul 08 05:02:56 i used to go to alt.beast.. er wait nevermind Jul 08 05:03:58 i kid i kid Jul 08 05:04:59 ebertchicago Jul 08 05:05:00 To help fill the hour, LeBron will also reveal where he's going to lunch. Jul 08 05:05:06 laterz. Jul 08 05:05:14 later Jul 08 05:08:18 so if i download the 1.4.5 sdk and they never upgrade webos to 1.4.5 will it mess with my apps? Jul 08 05:08:49 webos 1.4.5 is already released in the important parts of the world Jul 08 05:09:34 I've even bought a couple of apps since upgrading. Jul 08 05:11:12 * oil has a feeling he is going to see rwhitby say that until it comes out in the us Jul 08 05:12:23 oil: where's this "US" place you're talking about ? Jul 08 05:12:44 rwhitby: couple of apps? Elaborate Jul 08 05:12:47 united states Jul 08 05:13:01 oh, they're united now? Jul 08 05:13:12 :/ Jul 08 05:14:09 Rwhitby, how's it feel to live in a country where Britain put their outcasts, thiefs, murderers, and just general bad guys? Jul 08 05:14:37 kesne: I feel right at home. Jul 08 05:14:42 Haha Jul 08 05:15:15 kesne: how's it feel to live in a country that doesn't have webOS 1.4.5 yet? Jul 08 05:16:30 Tman! Jul 08 05:17:08 evening and morning everyone Jul 08 05:19:07 sugardave: What's the code to add a label to an array item :P found a use for it :P Jul 08 05:19:49 nvm. Jul 08 05:20:42 Anivrom: Hey, what did you think of the sounds? Jul 08 05:20:48 LoneStar99! Jul 08 05:21:12 kesne: Herm only thing I remember about the sounds was the sweet song in the intro video :P Jul 08 05:21:20 I'll give you a better review tomorrow Jul 08 05:21:24 Was that sarcasm? Jul 08 05:21:39 negative, no sarcasm Jul 08 05:21:46 You actually like it? Jul 08 05:21:53 the song? yea it was nice Jul 08 05:22:39 yay i'm up to 10 users Jul 08 05:22:50 that was quite emmet Jul 08 05:22:53 EmmetLollis: \o/ Jul 08 05:23:10 2 of them are me Jul 08 05:23:13 but still Jul 08 05:23:14 That was quick* Jul 08 05:23:54 269,990 more to catch up to checkers! Jul 08 05:23:58 lol Jul 08 05:24:33 But then again, Checkers i free Jul 08 05:24:38 *is Jul 08 05:24:43 right Jul 08 05:25:00 And has a bigger market Jul 08 05:25:05 but hey, money is money! Jul 08 05:25:17 and i sure need it right now Jul 08 05:25:24 Heh Jul 08 05:25:39 I'd donate money if I had money I'd give it to you Jul 08 05:26:21 EmmettLollis: what is your app? Jul 08 05:26:35 Slimphoria Tracker Jul 08 05:26:47 diet tracker Jul 08 05:27:10 i figured theres always a market for diets Jul 08 05:27:31 was it just released? Jul 08 05:27:43 yeah, it hit around 7pm tonight Jul 08 05:28:03 get webOS roundup to review it Jul 08 05:28:15 how do i go about that? Jul 08 05:28:36 oh i see the contact form Jul 08 05:28:52 Yeah Jul 08 05:28:56 EmmettLollis: ok, i see it Jul 08 05:28:57 Or ask me nicely to do it Jul 08 05:29:10 heart icon Jul 08 05:29:15 yup thats the one Jul 08 05:29:41 kesene, would you please review slimphoria tracker.. heh Jul 08 05:29:44 I need a beta tester Jul 08 05:29:50 I don't review apps Jul 08 05:29:53 oh Jul 08 05:29:56 I just have con-X-tions Jul 08 05:30:04 oh hell yeah that works Jul 08 05:30:09 Hehe Jul 08 05:30:14 what are you beta testing? Jul 08 05:30:18 A game Jul 08 05:30:24 Oooh nice Jul 08 05:30:51 anyone ever been to frederickburg, TX? Jul 08 05:31:10 i've been to grand prarie and dallas Jul 08 05:31:34 right on Jul 08 05:31:43 kesne.. if you could get me a review it would be spectacular Jul 08 05:32:02 I'll see what I can do Jul 08 05:32:06 awesome Jul 08 05:32:16 you want help with testing the game? Jul 08 05:32:27 What I'll do is ping Dieter and David Jul 08 05:32:39 And yeah, just trying to get it working perfectly Jul 08 05:32:55 i'm always game for games Jul 08 05:34:34 haha, a search for "low carb" in the catalog brings in bikini cocktails Jul 08 05:36:40 * EmmettLollis ponders using the PDK next Jul 08 05:56:43 Hah, one of my employees though I was going to pay him 15/hr! Jul 08 05:56:46 What a jok! Jul 08 05:56:49 *joke! Jul 08 05:57:25 Who do they think I am, EA? Jul 08 05:59:22 15/hr? that's nothing, I wouldn't even say helo to you for this... Jul 08 06:02:18 kesne: Cali is paying state employees $7.25 for the month of July Jul 08 06:02:28 Woo! Jul 08 06:02:36 well 200K of them Jul 08 06:03:55 average rent in studio apt in cali is about $800+ very sad for most state employees, will be living in their cars Jul 08 06:04:49 why leave the DMV, when you are camped out living in the parking lot, to work the next day Jul 08 06:07:52 MetaView: i agree $15 for coding is china style Jul 08 06:07:55 kesne: I'll be on wIRC tomorrow and ill let you know about the glitches if I find any. curious how many levels it goes up to or is it infinate? Jul 08 06:07:58 I should point out that I'm an employee of the state of california…. and so is my mom Jul 08 06:08:01 or California style Jul 08 06:08:02 funfun! Jul 08 06:08:33 except I am paid through the cal state system, and my mom through a local school district Jul 08 06:09:37 Good morning Jul 08 06:10:06 halfhalo: i am guessing 200k low end state workers, but still cali is not cheap regardless of where you live Jul 08 06:10:19 howdy HotDP Jul 08 06:10:35 I live near LA. Opposite of cheap Jul 08 06:11:02 no place in Cali is cheap Jul 08 06:11:08 Goodnight pplz. happy CODING although I suspect not much of that is going on atm :P Jul 08 06:11:38 unless you living on the beach, taking a piss in the public bathrooms, and are tweeking Jul 08 06:11:45 the ipad has a compas? Jul 08 06:11:47 cool Jul 08 06:12:05 laters Anivrom Jul 08 06:13:05 ugh gotta work in 4 hours :P I just HAD to finish that last piece of functionality/55 bug fixes for adding that functionality Jul 08 06:17:13 Do anyone know when we get paid? Jul 08 06:17:20 well must say enjoy staying in a hotel room about 5 times larger than where I currently sleep at my folks home Jul 08 06:17:27 HotDP: Net 60 Jul 08 06:17:41 Net 60? Jul 08 06:17:53 webos-info: show HotDP google Jul 08 06:17:53 kesne: excuse me? Jul 08 06:17:57 HotDP: about 22 or so of every month Jul 08 06:18:00 That isn't a command Jul 08 06:18:03 Hmm Jul 08 06:18:06 hmm Jul 08 06:18:07 Google is your friend Jul 08 06:18:17 The terms are net 60 Jul 08 06:18:20 strange i did not get paid last 22 then Jul 08 06:18:29 can you post link? Jul 08 06:18:42 You need to have a "to-bo-paid" ammount of over $100 Jul 08 06:18:50 Otherwise it rolls over Jul 08 06:18:55 Like rollover minutes Jul 08 06:18:56 my google ads have tanked Jul 08 06:18:59 HotDP: yeah atleast 100 per day Jul 08 06:19:07 day? Jul 08 06:19:10 You mean month? Jul 08 06:19:21 100 kilos per day and then shipped Jul 08 06:19:25 Oh Jul 08 06:19:35 I have no idea what I'm talking about Jul 08 06:19:36 it's late Jul 08 06:19:39 night everybody Jul 08 06:19:46 kesne: do you have link? I had over 100 dollar last 22 Jul 08 06:20:02 22nd isn't the date Jul 08 06:20:03 atleast yeah $100 a month of sales Jul 08 06:20:07 It's a n estimate Jul 08 06:20:27 They will pay you no later than two months after the ending month Jul 08 06:20:32 That's net 60 Jul 08 06:20:34 last month did not receive jack, cuss sales where $80+ Jul 08 06:20:41 Now I'm really leaving this time. Jul 08 06:20:54 If HotDP has more questions, tell him to talk to webos-info. Jul 08 06:21:09 He holds the answers you seek Jul 08 06:21:11 Later Jul 08 06:21:19 laters Jul 08 06:22:46 I think i got it Jul 08 06:22:58 we get paid every 2 mointh if we have over 100 buks Jul 08 06:23:56 no every month Jul 08 06:24:43 but if your first app was released Jan 01, your first check will not be until march 22 Jul 08 06:25:18 after that every month on the 22 if it is 100 or more Jul 08 06:25:19 Net 60 is not every month? Jul 08 06:25:43 i was hoping to get paid on aug 22nd ugh Jul 08 06:29:01 had to wait like 2 months+ for first paypal transfer Jul 08 06:29:56 wonder how the dudes that got prize money from the hot apps, got there cash... Jul 08 06:30:05 anyone know? paypal? Jul 08 06:32:27 They have not gotten any money yet as far as i know Jul 08 06:33:55 HotDP: really, do not know anything about it, just wondering Jul 08 06:34:28 HotDP: pretty crazy Spain beat Germany.... Jul 08 06:34:39 never thought that would happen Jul 08 06:34:44 Spain was better than germany in that match no doubt Jul 08 06:35:05 i talked to tomcat about the price and he had not gotten it yesterday Jul 08 06:35:11 in the match yes, but before the match no Jul 08 06:35:28 Germany did not play well.. to defensive and they looked tired Jul 08 06:35:30 germany was killing every team Jul 08 06:36:04 yeah, germany played very weak, but they played awesome every other game Jul 08 06:36:45 LoneStar99: never bet against the octopus Jul 08 06:37:11 sooo how bout that earthquake today Jul 08 06:37:30 rwhitby: i guess not, will only bet on rigged games Jul 08 06:37:31 LOL rwhitby isaid the exact same thing to my gf Jul 08 06:37:32 what earthquake? Jul 08 06:38:10 why octopus? Jul 08 06:38:11 there was a 5.4 in socal today Jul 08 06:38:18 Spain/Holland i think Spain till take it Jul 08 06:38:52 Would like Spain, but Holland has been pretty solid Jul 08 06:39:22 but say Spain! Jul 08 06:39:25 Again Holland is very defensive like Germany yesterday Jul 08 06:39:52 I think spain will win.. And it is fine with me, they have never won Jul 08 06:42:09 i like spain, my family owns ranches in texas cuss of the spanish Jul 08 06:43:17 cool Jul 08 06:43:39 was living in san diego California as of one year ago, Jul 08 06:44:20 i am in a small town call fredericksburg TX, for about a week, anyways Jul 08 06:49:16 hello Jul 08 06:55:53 hi again lonestar99 Jul 08 06:56:12 stupid browser Jul 08 06:57:45 HotDP: what time do the games come out in your time zone? Jul 08 06:58:10 games? football? Jul 08 06:58:19 worldcup Jul 08 06:58:41 like 18:00? Jul 08 06:58:41 around 20:00 Jul 08 06:58:46 ok close Jul 08 06:58:50 yes :=) Jul 08 06:58:56 what about you? Jul 08 06:59:49 san diego 11.30 - texas 1.30 - nyc - 2.30 Jul 08 07:00:41 does the latest sdk work with eclipse 3.5? Jul 08 07:02:15 EmmettLollis: not sure Jul 08 07:02:40 guess it wont hurt to stick with what i have Jul 08 07:03:00 using 1.05 RC from 1998 Jul 08 07:04:03 EmmettLollis: lol using 3.4.2 here Jul 08 07:04:29 i think thats what i'm on 3.4.2 Jul 08 07:04:44 whichever one palm points to for the download Jul 08 07:06:10 been using 3.4.2 for like 6 months, no issues other than had to disable or modify some file Jul 08 07:14:22 Hello! Jul 08 07:14:46 hallo DougReeder Jul 08 07:16:18 I just got out Outline Tracker 1.6, so I'm kinda noodling around for a bit. Jul 08 07:18:49 nice Jul 08 07:19:29 Now that the Hot Apps promotion is over, I don't feel conflicted about downloading new apps. :-) Jul 08 07:19:45 lol Jul 08 07:19:52 yeah Jul 08 07:20:11 has anyone gotten paid for the hot apps yet? Jul 08 07:20:46 I'm not expecting till the usual mid-month payments go out. They haven't even announced the official results yet. Jul 08 07:21:33 ok, so would they be sent via paypal? Jul 08 07:22:26 I can't think of any reason they'd use anything else. Jul 08 07:23:13 Too bad archive.org didn't archive palmhotapps.com. You didn't happen to save a copy of the leaderboard from late June, by chance? Jul 08 07:25:06 not at all, which app was yours? Jul 08 07:25:35 i sure palm has some records Jul 08 07:25:46 Outline Tracker (around #52, last I checked) and Outline Tracker Free (#340, I think). Jul 08 07:26:31 I'm hoping I broke into the top 50 -- didn't realize that would be good press for later, until it was too late to push. Jul 08 07:26:57 I'm actually most curious about Missing Sync -- where it place determines what I write in a white paper I'm writing. Jul 08 07:30:04 DougReeder: cool I sure all that info is out there.. Palm must for sure have to give developers as Media packages Jul 08 07:30:50 Yeah, I don't wanna bug Palm -- I'm sure the final rankings will be out any day now. But I'm writing the paper today! Jul 08 07:31:28 DougReeder: not sure what to say, but write it Jul 08 07:34:15 chat you all tommorrow, gonna listen to music and chill Jul 08 07:55:01 so i take it the eclipse plugin is still 1.4. Jul 08 07:55:08 1.4.2 Jul 08 07:55:36 1.4.1.2 i mean Jul 08 07:55:40 hmm Jul 08 08:08:51 anyone get errors when they try to start putty? Jul 08 08:10:01 odd, it was pointing to the vbs file Jul 08 08:23:37 oooh, i've rooted my pre Jul 08 09:21:53 the pdk is driving me insane Jul 08 09:35:08 finally got it Jul 08 09:36:15 had to get rid of PDL_Init Jul 08 10:11:51 my house will be under water soon Jul 08 10:42:21 EmmettLollis, why? Jul 08 10:43:06 was an exaguration but getting 5 inches of rain and the yard is already flooded Jul 08 10:43:17 crap Jul 08 10:43:49 EmmettLollis, why is that ? Jul 08 10:44:49 well its raining a lot and i live next to a river Jul 08 10:45:19 in the 80s we had about 5 inches of water in the house Jul 08 10:45:32 but im not expecting that Jul 08 10:46:10 i watched a carp swim across the street one time Jul 08 10:49:30 :) Jul 08 13:04:37 morning all Jul 08 13:07:13 morning Jul 08 14:16:48 how goes? Jul 08 14:22:13 On the application checklist it says that each menu needs to have the standard menus like Edit, etc. I've seen apps that don't have that? Do they not really check for that then? Jul 08 14:23:24 depends on the reviewer Jul 08 14:23:46 i had one that wouldn't accept my app unless my help screen had a menu item to take you to the help screen Jul 08 14:24:02 Wow Jul 08 14:24:31 Well, how can I delete the standard help menu that is disabled but keep the edit menu (using Ares)? Jul 08 14:24:40 I'm using my own help menu Jul 08 14:25:10 i don tuse ares, so im no help there :/ Jul 08 14:26:16 Ok, I've been looking online for the past few hours building my help menu item and the only way I could figure out how to add it (without having multiple helps in the menu) was to omit the standard menus Jul 08 14:30:45 Another problem that was on the application checklist was that my row highlights are bigger than the actual row. No matter what type of row highlight (delayed, persistent, etc.) it still is larger. Anyone have any ideas? Jul 08 14:40:22 Hi can someone answer a quick question on signing up to the developer account? Jul 08 14:41:12 it's with regards to the company name as i just wish to sign up as an independant developer Jul 08 14:46:01 i used my own name Jul 08 14:47:06 thats what i would suggest Jul 08 14:47:19 ah ok thank you i was looking all over for an answer Jul 08 14:47:41 no problem Jul 08 15:12:17 hello, world! Jul 08 15:12:33 hey chuqui Jul 08 15:13:08 what's the timeframe for hot apps payments? Jul 08 15:17:33 we're getting there. Jul 08 15:17:43 I don't have an exact date handy. Jul 08 15:23:27 * anivrom thinks its time for lunch Jul 08 15:25:04 Kesne: you there? Jul 08 15:36:50 anyone know how to fix the issue with the eclipse debugger on win7? "can't bind to localhost" Jul 08 15:52:12 Wow you can see the battery drop like a stone while using wIRC. 20% in 20 minutes. Jul 08 16:02:56 woohoo, closing the re-fi on Tuesday Jul 08 16:04:07 EmmettLollis: unable to bind to localhost sounds like Win security issue, it's probably buried somewhere in the friendly network configuration section Jul 08 16:04:13 note I have seen Win 7 two times Jul 08 16:06:08 hi sugardave Jul 08 16:06:55 [waking up] chuqui, I hate to bug you about something I know you're already working on, but when will the final rankings for Hot Apps be published? I'm writing a white paper, and what I write depends on some of the rankings I didn't check on in June. Jul 08 16:07:11 soonish. Jul 08 16:07:20 Thanks. Jul 08 16:07:32 I know. real helpful. Jul 08 16:07:51 (but I actually poked some folks this morning and asked for dates... just to remind them we need to...) Jul 08 16:08:20 It's too bad archive.org didn't archive palmhotapps.com Jul 08 16:08:52 chuqui: just paypal me all the award funds, and it will be alright Jul 08 16:09:19 as soon as they paypal them to me, I will. from my new place in turk and caicos Jul 08 16:09:26 will buy everyone a six-pack of lonestar Jul 08 16:09:27 [bonks LoneStare99 with an empty 2-liter bottle] Jul 08 16:10:22 DougReeder: ouch Jul 08 16:13:54 webOS-info: Dr. Pepper Jul 08 16:13:54 * webOS-info pours sugardave a frosty one. Jul 08 16:17:41 Anyone know if the file structure for SQLite is guaranteed to be in a self-consistent state between transactions, but while a connection is open? That affects when Save/Restore can do backups. Jul 08 16:18:31 webOS-info: bananas Jul 08 16:18:31 * webOS-info looks at sugardave and says "banana banana banana!" Jul 08 16:18:45 DougReeder: that means I don't know what you're talking about Jul 08 16:19:14 Eh, I should ask on the SQLite list. Jul 08 16:20:45 webOS-info: mojo storage database Jul 08 16:20:45 sugardave: sorry... Jul 08 16:20:57 webOS-info: mojo database questions Jul 08 16:20:57 mojo database questions are best answered by haeffb Jul 08 16:25:12 webOS-info: haeffb Jul 08 16:25:12 i heard haeffb was black Jul 08 16:25:23 huh Jul 08 16:25:57 chuqui: any details on when sdk hot apps info will be released? Jul 08 16:26:17 what up #webos? Jul 08 16:26:55 now we need wargames for this Jul 08 16:27:21 haefb_pre typing as fast as I can... we're getting there. Jul 08 16:27:43 don't you have code monkeys to type for you?!? Jul 08 16:27:51 webOS-info: greeting is haeffb says 'what up #webos?' Jul 08 16:27:52 OK, haeffb_pre. Jul 08 16:28:19 so, within the next six months then? Jul 08 16:28:32 webOS-info: greeting Jul 08 16:28:32 somebody said greeting was haeffb says 'what up #webos?' Jul 08 16:29:24 Look, it's chuqui Jul 08 16:29:32 where? Jul 08 16:29:45 Oh, my bad Jul 08 16:29:46 Guess not Jul 08 16:29:52 puppies? Jul 08 16:29:55 webos-info: chuq Jul 08 16:29:55 * webOS-info hides the puppies Jul 08 16:30:00 Theres a puppy in my lap Jul 08 16:30:03 webos-info: kesne Jul 08 16:30:03 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness. Jul 08 16:30:15 halfhalo Jul 08 16:30:25 awww. It don't like that Jul 08 16:30:29 webOS-info: halfhalo Jul 08 16:30:29 you are, like, an insane homicidal programmer or a creeper. watch out Jul 08 16:30:34 webOS-info: forget greeting Jul 08 16:30:34 sugardave, I didn't have anything matching greeting Jul 08 16:30:40 :p Jul 08 16:30:48 Off to schoolz I go! bbiab Jul 08 16:30:51 seriously -- we're working to get 1.4.5 out the door. that's gating all of the PDK stuff still. Jul 08 16:31:50 webOS-info: greeting is $who extends their exuberant greetings to #webos. Jul 08 16:31:50 ...but greeting is haeffb says 'what up #webos!'... Jul 08 16:31:51 sugardave: what's the reply cose? Jul 08 16:31:59 webOS-info: forget greeting Jul 08 16:31:59 sugardave: I forgot greeting Jul 08 16:32:01 webOS-info: greeting is $who extends their exuberant greetings to #webos. Jul 08 16:32:01 OK, sugardave. Jul 08 16:32:05 webOS-info: greeting Jul 08 16:32:05 sugardave extends their exuberant greetings to #webos. Jul 08 16:32:27 webOS-info: greeting Jul 08 16:32:27 haeffb_pre extends their exuberant greetings to #webos. Jul 08 16:32:55 webOS-info ; status? Jul 08 16:32:55 wish i knew, discombobulate Jul 08 16:32:59 webOS-info status? Jul 08 16:32:59 Since Mon Jul 5 18:47:48 2010, there have been 200 modifications and 380 questions. I have been awake for 2 days, 17 hours, 45 minutes, 11 seconds this session, and currently reference 77 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. Jul 08 16:33:18 damn, that bot never sleeps Jul 08 16:33:28 bot-meth Jul 08 16:33:38 sugardave: watch! Jul 08 16:33:44 it isn't here yet Jul 08 16:33:48 perhaps today Jul 08 16:34:08 it's probably stuck at EmmettLollis in transit Jul 08 16:34:13 I keep sending people to the mailbox, but all they bring back are damn bills Jul 08 16:35:01 same thing happens here Jul 08 16:35:11 it's like a curse or something Jul 08 16:35:18 i planned on not checking the mail, but that just makes matters worse Jul 08 16:35:36 yeah, i intercept Jul 08 16:38:22 [waving goodbye] Back to programming. Jul 08 16:43:54 Kesne: found a couple things in the game that should be addressed. Jul 08 16:46:14 Okay Jul 08 16:56:42 Does anybody know if there is an API to change the device volume Jul 08 16:57:52 yes. it's called tell the user to. :p Jul 08 16:58:37 webOS-info: users Jul 08 16:58:38 Users should be seen and not heard. Jul 08 16:59:32 halfhalo_pro: but really... Jul 08 16:59:47 I think the answer is "no" Jul 08 16:59:54 same Jul 08 17:01:43 Okay Jul 08 17:01:46 Cool Jul 08 17:01:59 Now I can rub it into anivrom's face! Jul 08 17:04:11 :P Can you play drums / guitar / piano? Jul 08 17:05:31 Actually yes Jul 08 17:05:33 I also sing Jul 08 17:05:38 And play Trumpet Jul 08 17:08:03 hey...this is starting to look like an app now Jul 08 17:16:21 1.4.5.1 fail Jul 08 17:16:29 damn you rumors of a new update! Jul 08 17:16:32 * pandora-- shakes fist Jul 08 17:17:11 * haeffb_pre shakes pandora Jul 08 17:18:18 webOS-info: crazy Jul 08 17:18:18 i heard crazy was dkirker Jul 08 17:18:27 lol Jul 08 17:18:35 heh Jul 08 17:19:19 webOS-info: rumors Jul 08 17:19:19 Rumors are bad. Jul 08 17:20:32 what rumors Jul 08 17:20:50 webOS-info: rumors Jul 08 17:20:50 i think rumors is an album by Fleetwood Mac. Jul 08 17:21:28 the only rumor I am interested in is a new device. about had it with the pre Jul 08 17:21:31 webOS-info: seen bmyers Jul 08 17:21:31 I haven't seen 'bmyers', sugardave Jul 08 17:21:46 good morning all Jul 08 17:23:49 morning Jul 08 17:26:25 webOS-info: naplunch Jul 08 17:26:25 * webOS-info dims the lights and fluffs the pillows. Jul 08 17:34:53 I emmettlollis here? Jul 08 17:37:58 afternoon Jul 08 17:46:13 bryanroth: Do you go to forrst? Jul 08 17:46:25 Templarian: aye Jul 08 17:46:25 hmmm govnah says my CPU is 65 celcius 149 farenheit. Should I be worried? Jul 08 17:46:53 :P Jul 08 17:47:14 bryanroth: I just commented on your snippet. :P Jul 08 17:47:48 Templarian: woot Jul 08 17:48:06 Ginyu Force Rules! Jul 08 17:48:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8knDDpvk8 Jul 08 17:48:45 * Templarian was also going to advertise the use of Komodo, but meh. Jul 08 17:49:10 lol Jul 08 17:49:57 * anivrom watches as his Pre bursts into flames Jul 08 17:51:51 Templarian: Yeah, I figure I can share some code snippets that I use in webOS to help save other webOS developers time. Jul 08 17:56:06 Checkers sales solidified. Jul 08 17:56:15 Averaging a little over 1000 downloads a day Jul 08 17:56:27 kesne: congrats Jul 08 17:56:34 Why congrats? Jul 08 17:57:15 webOS-info: snippets Jul 08 17:57:15 snippets are found at http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets Jul 08 17:58:36 kesne: you said your sales have solidified at 1000 downloads/day Jul 08 17:58:59 bryanroth: It's a free app though, so it isn't that good Jul 08 17:59:10 kesne: oh, didn't know, sorry Jul 08 17:59:18 Heh Jul 08 17:59:20 No worries Jul 08 17:59:35 kesne: I'm not sure what download count is good for free apps Jul 08 17:59:53 bryanroth: for a common game like checkers, it's high Jul 08 18:01:23 yay! Student loan payment made it in on time!! Jul 08 18:01:28 * dkirker does the happy dance Jul 08 18:04:47 \o/ Jul 08 18:05:45 \\o Jul 08 18:06:03 ole? Jul 08 18:06:05 o// Jul 08 18:06:06 \\o/! Jul 08 18:06:09 \x/ >_< \x/ Jul 08 18:07:28 hrm Jul 08 18:07:46 pewpew pewpew Jul 08 18:08:17 Its +40 with the humidex right now in southern ontario. No wonder my Pre hit 65 celcius when I left it in the truck While logged into irc.. Just can't seem to keep this battery % up with wIRC logged in Jul 08 18:09:02 wirc is hard on batteries Jul 08 18:09:04 Even with a wall charger the % truckles up Jul 08 18:09:28 Yea I know, lost 20% in 20 minutes earlier today Jul 08 18:09:38 Trickles? Jul 08 18:10:48 I basically have to keep it charging on the wall charger plugged into 12v DC lighter jack in my truck all day if I'm logged on here. Jul 08 18:10:50 gps on or something? Jul 08 18:11:08 oh wirc.. nevermind Jul 08 18:11:09 chuqui: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2063 this page has an error since Activestate updated their website. the "Komodo" text needs to link to http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit Jul 08 18:11:15 Anyone using that 2600 mAh battery? Jul 08 18:11:26 haeffb: added a snippet to webOS 101 Jul 08 18:11:35 woohoo! Jul 08 18:12:04 templarian - thanks. passing along. Jul 08 18:12:13 I wanna get one since I'm on the road all day. Jul 08 18:13:22 Wonder what thermal shutdown temp is... Can't be much higher than 65. Jul 08 18:13:30 I have a list and when I tap on a row in the list the row highlight is larger than the actual row. The application checklist doesn't approve of it so how would I fix it? Jul 08 18:14:43 jeez, i just signed up for apple development Jul 08 18:14:55 Boo :P Jul 08 18:15:00 and they need to verify my 1 man company, i read some blogs it takes 11 days Jul 08 18:15:10 so i signed up for personal development under another account Jul 08 18:15:19 Don't encourage the boys. -_- Jul 08 18:15:30 :| Jul 08 18:15:33 and i still can't get access to the account even after paying them Jul 08 18:15:39 this is rediculus Jul 08 18:15:43 I've been an Apple developer for a while Jul 08 18:15:57 they charge me $100 a year, so I decide to sign up on the day I complete my application Jul 08 18:16:03 since its a free app and i m not making money off it Jul 08 18:16:12 big mistake =-| Jul 08 18:16:29 reminds me of how easy palm webos is =-| Jul 08 18:16:50 within first hour I already have my app on web Jul 08 18:16:55 Has anyone ever had a row highlight be larger than the row? Jul 08 18:17:01 within 2nd day i already have my app in catalog Jul 08 18:21:05 twbbas: you mean when you select a row? Jul 08 18:21:17 and it expands to larger than the original row size? Jul 08 18:23:12 The highlight does Jul 08 18:23:23 And then it does the action, which in this case goes to the next scene Jul 08 18:25:40 How can I have it only highlight the row size? Jul 08 18:29:17 that's a good question Jul 08 18:29:28 i have that issue with my submenu list Jul 08 18:29:56 your mom has that issue with my submenu list. Jul 08 18:30:43 heh, ok, but i doubt it ;) Jul 08 18:31:06 So I'm still getting errors, "cannot find module nme@nme_filter_image__2". I've searched through my code, and I am compiling and linking the only file which mentions a filter image. It's namespace is nme, and it has a reference, like this: Dynamic BitmapFilterSet_obj::nme_filter_image; Jul 08 18:31:20 HattCzech_work: The application checklist prohibits this problem we have Jul 08 18:31:32 Could something with the compiler be adding the __2 extension, (which doesn't appear to exist)? Jul 08 18:31:37 This is what's holding me back from releasing my app :( Jul 08 18:32:08 twbbas: what problem? Jul 08 18:32:19 then you shouldn't have a problem Jul 08 18:32:20 When I tap a row in my list, the row highlight is larger than the actual row Jul 08 18:32:29 same with the menu stuff you mentioned earlier Jul 08 18:32:31 You could remove the highlight Jul 08 18:32:36 Oh, submenu Jul 08 18:32:43 popupSubmenu? Jul 08 18:32:53 Yea but it needs a highlight according to the checklist and the highlight must be the "right" size for the row Jul 08 18:33:00 Maybe there's some type of global style that's messing with it Jul 08 18:33:10 I haven't used any css at all in my app Jul 08 18:33:14 I built it using Ares Jul 08 18:33:28 Hrm Jul 08 18:33:33 elyon: yeah, there is for mine, but i can't figure out what it is Jul 08 18:33:38 Should I just release it with these two problems and hope it gets accepted? Jul 08 18:33:46 twbbas: i would Jul 08 18:34:05 my main scene doesn't have edit Jul 08 18:34:10 If it's rejected do they make you wait a certain time period before you can resubmit the fixed version? Jul 08 18:34:10 (in the menu) Jul 08 18:34:11 It's worth a try. If its a bug in Ares, you can't really control it Jul 08 18:34:15 Nope Jul 08 18:34:22 but that's because it can't be used in that scene, so it shouldn't matter Jul 08 18:34:55 Well someone could use edit in mine but it's very, very, very unlikely Jul 08 18:35:03 twbbas: no, you just start back at the bottom of the queue when you resubmit Jul 08 18:35:06 Most apps have edit, whether its available or not Jul 08 18:35:18 Just like preferences and help are usually always there, even if they are disabled Jul 08 18:35:33 Mine doesn't because I can't figure out how to keep the edit but take out the default help menu and replace it with my own Jul 08 18:35:43 Mojo.Menu.editItem Jul 08 18:35:45 I think Jul 08 18:35:45 So I just have 1 option for mine, help Jul 08 18:36:11 this.appMenuModel = { items: [ Mojo.Menu.editItem, myMenuItem, Mojo.Menu.prefsItem, Mojo.Menu.helpItem ] } Jul 08 18:36:30 this.setupWidget (Mojo.Menu.appMenu, { omitDefaultItems: true }, this.appMenuModel) Jul 08 18:37:03 That's how you would add the default items yourself, if you had omitDefaultItems set to true Jul 08 18:37:22 So no C++ ninjas here to help? Jul 08 18:37:23 evening Jul 08 18:37:27 yo. Jul 08 18:37:47 sorry, no c++ knowledge Jul 08 18:37:50 (yet) Jul 08 18:38:34 can any one assist regarding progresspill? Jul 08 18:38:47 elyon: You're amazing! Thanks Jul 08 18:39:10 i insert aprox 5000 records to a database , and i want each record to increase a progress pill Jul 08 18:39:28 the problem is that the progress pill is nor running smoothly Jul 08 18:39:51 You could update the pill on a timer, instead of every time the records are updated Jul 08 18:40:00 twbbas: no problem ;) Jul 08 18:40:04 i call the update value each successfull insert Jul 08 18:40:13 You could try something like: Jul 08 18:40:24 setInterval (100) ( or however intervals are set) Jul 08 18:40:25 if i do that on timer it's not aqurate Jul 08 18:40:37 call a function every 10th of a second or something Jul 08 18:40:45 which then updates it based on the value Jul 08 18:40:57 It might look smoother ... I'm not sure Jul 08 18:41:05 If it still doesn't look smooth, you can apply some tweening logic Jul 08 18:41:25 tweening logic? Jul 08 18:41:31 like progressPill.width = (targetWidth - currentWidth) / 3 Jul 08 18:41:50 So every time the interval hits, it moves towards the target value, but not all the way Jul 08 18:42:28 i'll try , 10x Jul 08 18:42:45 If you used code like I just showed, though, you might also throw in a minimum tick value, too, so if the result is to change it by too small a value, just bump it up so things keep moving Jul 08 18:43:11 "tweening" obviously gets a lot more complicated. If this were Flash I'd just point you to my animation library ;) Jul 08 18:43:29 is ther ant sample i can use? Jul 08 18:43:55 You just come up with some logic so that if the value went from 0 to 100 in one frame, you force that to take 5 frames or so to animate Jul 08 18:44:19 That "stretching" evens out any jaggedness caused by slight changes in speed Jul 08 18:44:50 i'lll see 10x Jul 08 18:45:05 nextValue = (targetValue - currentValue) * numberOfTicks Jul 08 18:45:18 if (nextValue > targetValue) { nextValue = targetValue } Jul 08 18:45:44 if (nextValue < minimumTick) { nextValue += minimumTick; if (nextValue > targetValue) { nextValue = targetValue } } Jul 08 18:46:38 That's a basic animation script, which works pretty well for values which constantly change, like a progress bar Jul 08 18:47:00 If it was a single, constant target, you'd probably want an exponential animation or something, but that probably isn't necessary for this Jul 08 18:55:24 My one-year old just turned off my computer :) Jul 08 18:55:25 Oh boy! Jul 08 18:56:49 heh Jul 08 18:57:31 i set my powerbutton to ask me what to do when pressed because of that :) Jul 08 18:59:09 my power just makes my computers sleep Jul 08 18:59:21 they all have ssds so at most its 5 seconds of downtime Jul 08 19:05:21 It's my laptop Jul 08 19:05:34 I think she held down the button, so it forced it to shut off Jul 08 19:05:44 If she had pressed it once, it would have hibernated Jul 08 19:14:03 Is there another way to close a custom dialog besides this.widget.mojo.close();? Jul 08 19:34:21 What's a good memlimit for compcache using uberkernel? Jul 08 19:35:05 And what's the hit in performance for this wonderous feature? Jul 08 19:35:26 anivrom, might want to ask in #webos-internals Jul 08 19:36:10 interrogateClicks and webViewLinkClicked....worthless for form buttons in a webview Jul 08 19:36:14 Righto. Jw your exerience but I guess they are the experts. Jul 08 19:37:33 Wow this guys liscence plate is awesome... "wahahaha" epic. Jul 08 19:41:14 hi MetaView! Jul 08 19:41:31 multi touch is so nice in SDL... i wish they would just expose it in Mojo Jul 08 19:42:01 hi Jul 08 19:42:23 agree Jul 08 19:42:43 safari on ios and webkit on android uses it Jul 08 19:42:49 hi metaview,codeslaw Jul 08 19:43:13 sup swiss Jul 08 19:43:39 translating one of my apps Jul 08 19:43:47 codeslaw: did you see the tuts+ beta app? Jul 08 19:43:47 Metaview! Jul 08 19:43:51 codeslaw! Jul 08 19:43:54 I hate Torvald and this stupid GIT Jul 08 19:44:02 swisstomcat: i did not Jul 08 19:44:06 torvald's did git? Jul 08 19:44:06 kesne: yo! Jul 08 19:44:21 codeslaw: I like your name Jul 08 19:44:27 no, he pushed it Jul 08 19:44:35 check it out if you have time, codeslaw .. feedback appreciated Jul 08 19:44:47 codeslaw: and your logo Jul 08 19:44:48 thank you. i came up with the idea years ago, but never had a use until i started making apps here Jul 08 19:45:40 swisstomcat: can you send me a link? Jul 08 19:46:23 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta Jul 08 19:51:11 Hey, new dragonball z kai today! Jul 08 19:52:15 swisstomcat: i would say, don't reload the datafeed when someobody uses the back gesture to return to a list scene Jul 08 19:52:38 good point, i noticed that too on the phone Jul 08 19:52:46 add a reload button i think Jul 08 19:52:54 i dont think you need it Jul 08 19:53:02 even if a tut gets uploaded while someone is using the app Jul 08 19:53:02 reload button ewww Jul 08 19:53:11 it'll be there the next time the run the app Jul 08 19:53:21 99% of the time, you'll be reloading the same sata Jul 08 19:53:24 data* Jul 08 19:54:29 not worth cluttering the UI Jul 08 19:55:14 also a few CSS tweeks to make text line up perfectly with icons when they are in the same line Jul 08 19:55:19 other than that its pretty cool Jul 08 19:55:32 does tuts plus have a mobile version of the site you can link to, instead of full version? Jul 08 19:56:01 it feels weird to go from a mobile interface to a full web interface in the same app Jul 08 19:56:25 you could scrape the content... but that might piss them off Jul 08 19:58:14 EmmettLollis! Jul 08 19:58:23 kesne! Jul 08 20:02:32 http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-developer-brags-1400-in-iad-revenue-in-one-day-at-150-ecpm-2010-7 -- $1400 in ad revenue in one day from iAds Jul 08 20:03:36 not bad Jul 08 20:04:00 147$ eCPM? unbelievable Jul 08 20:04:11 and 11% CTR? Jul 08 20:04:22 how did he? Jul 08 20:04:55 most likely from people curious to see how iAd works. Jul 08 20:05:02 yes, I guess Jul 08 20:05:03 for sure Jul 08 20:05:20 but good on him for riding the wave early Jul 08 20:05:46 codeslaw: don't think they have a mobile site but i'll have to check Jul 08 20:06:08 to share my last month with AdMob: incoming $56.83 Impressions 127,039 eCPM $0.45 FillRate 98.78% Jul 08 20:06:14 thanks for your feedback.. did you try landscape? Jul 08 20:07:54 yes, the drop down menu up top should be pushed all the way to the right (Latest Posts / Categories) when in landscape, not centered Jul 08 20:08:01 other than that, landscape is good Jul 08 20:08:54 thanks Jul 08 20:08:57 points taken Jul 08 20:16:01 dawm|laptp! Jul 08 20:16:04 Er Jul 08 20:16:08 dawm|laptop Jul 08 20:16:09 ! Jul 08 20:16:11 \o/ Jul 08 20:16:18 .. Jul 08 20:16:31 ew, it's anivrom Jul 08 20:16:37 webos-info: anivrom Jul 08 20:16:37 i guess anivrom is no longer friends with kesne, after kesne realized that he was an idiot Jul 08 20:16:48 Who wrote that? Jul 08 20:16:52 That's just mean! Jul 08 20:20:51 webos-info metaview Jul 08 20:20:51 MetaView: what? Jul 08 20:21:38 Its ok, they're just jealous cause I make more money than them. ;) Jul 08 20:24:20 heheh Jul 08 20:29:17 259 MX +2934-10425 America/Ojinaga US Mountain Time - Chihuahua near US border lUTC+00 Jul 08 20:29:23 UTC+00 ? Jul 08 20:29:32 it's GMT, unbelievable Jul 08 20:40:16 MetaView: You want to beta test something Jul 08 20:41:34 webOS-info: MetaView is MetaView hates app spam. Jul 08 20:41:34 OK, sugardave. Jul 08 20:41:38 webOS-info: MetaView Jul 08 20:41:38 MetaView hates app spam. Jul 08 20:45:21 "Sorry sugardave, I can't let you do that" Jul 08 20:45:30 wouldnt it be cool it webOS-info replied that Jul 08 20:45:44 webOS-info: sugardave Jul 08 20:45:44 you are an enigma. Jul 08 20:45:59 webos-info: swisstomcat Jul 08 20:45:59 swisstomcat: i'm not following you... Jul 08 20:46:04 :( Jul 08 20:46:41 webOS-info: swisstomcat is MEOOOOW! Jul 08 20:46:42 OK, sugardave. Jul 08 20:46:45 webOS-info: torchie Jul 08 20:46:45 torchie: huh? Jul 08 20:46:48 what? Jul 08 20:46:54 webOS-info: swisstomcat Jul 08 20:46:54 MEOOOOW! Jul 08 20:46:58 heh Jul 08 20:47:03 where? Jul 08 20:47:17 webOS-info: dohtem Jul 08 20:47:17 dohtem: what? Jul 08 20:47:21 * haeffb cant get to work Jul 08 20:47:36 webOS-info: webOS-info is stupid Jul 08 20:47:36 ...but webos-info is a bot.... Jul 08 20:47:48 x is nothing containing the string 'you' Jul 08 20:47:52 webOS-info: elyon Jul 08 20:47:52 elyon: i'm not following you... Jul 08 20:48:07 webOS-info: elyon likes to eat food Jul 08 20:48:07 elyon: i'm not following you... Jul 08 20:48:34 webOS-info: elyon is liking food Jul 08 20:48:35 OK, elyon. Jul 08 20:48:40 webOS-info: elyon Jul 08 20:48:40 liking food Jul 08 20:48:44 and how the / me ? Jul 08 20:48:44 interesting Jul 08 20:48:57 Jul 08 20:48:58 haeffb: is Jul 08 20:49:00 good evening everyone in CET zone... Jul 08 20:49:04 Jul 08 20:49:08 * elyon hello Jul 08 20:49:17 webOS-info greeting Jul 08 20:49:17 haeffb extends their exuberant greetings to #webos. Jul 08 20:49:18 CET? Jul 08 20:49:31 central european time Jul 08 20:49:32 and how the / webOS-info ? Jul 08 20:49:39 it's 10pm here... Jul 08 20:49:52 ummmm Jul 08 20:50:03 haeffb: what? Jul 08 20:50:06 webOS-info: naplunch Jul 08 20:50:06 * webOS-info dims the lights and fluffs the pillows. Jul 08 20:50:07 good day to everyone in PST? :) Jul 08 20:50:13 webOS-info: elyon is /me likes puppies Jul 08 20:50:14 ...but elyon is liking food... Jul 08 20:50:15 that's Jul 08 20:50:28 oooohh... Jul 08 20:50:31 $who Jul 08 20:50:35 gotcha Jul 08 20:50:41 quick question: has anyone noticed a bug in stopListening in 1.4.5? Jul 08 20:50:49 webOS-info: elyon is Jul 08 20:50:49 OK, elyon. Jul 08 20:50:53 haeffb: try botsmack Jul 08 20:51:01 webOS-info: forget elyon Jul 08 20:51:01 sugardave: I forgot elyon Jul 08 20:51:13 webOS-info: elyon is FAIL! Jul 08 20:51:13 OK, sugardave. Jul 08 20:51:16 webOS-info: elyon Jul 08 20:51:17 FAIL! Jul 08 20:51:24 hehe Jul 08 20:51:47 webOS-info: elyon is testing Jul 08 20:51:47 ...but elyon is FAIL!... Jul 08 20:52:03 webOS-info: forget elyon Jul 08 20:52:04 elyon: I forgot elyon Jul 08 20:52:22 so it's bot-playing time i guess :) Jul 08 20:52:22 pro-tip: you can also message the bot and set factoids :D Jul 08 20:52:30 naplunchover Jul 08 20:52:36 webOS-info: naplunchover Jul 08 20:52:36 * webOS-info turns up the lights and tosses pillows in the corner Jul 08 20:52:40 webOS-info: puppies is Puppies are fluffy. I love fluffies Jul 08 20:52:40 OK, elyon. Jul 08 20:52:41 ha Jul 08 20:52:47 webOS-info: puppies Jul 08 20:52:47 Puppies are fluffy. I love fluffies Jul 08 20:53:06 PUPPIES!!!! Jul 08 20:53:13 webOS-info: chuqui Jul 08 20:53:13 LOOK A PUPPY!! Jul 08 20:53:17 webOS-info: puppies Jul 08 20:53:18 Puppies are fluffy. I love fluffies Jul 08 20:53:48 b0bben: to answer your question, I haven't seen one yet, but am not looking for them, either Jul 08 20:53:48 webOS-info: chuqui puppies Jul 08 20:53:48 elyon: i'm not following you... Jul 08 20:53:50 heh Jul 08 20:53:59 yo? Jul 08 20:54:17 (10:53:12 PM) sugardave: webOS-info: chuqui Jul 08 20:54:17 (10:53:12 PM) webOS-info: LOOK A PUPPY!! Jul 08 20:54:23 ooops Jul 08 20:54:24 sugardave: oki...i'm having weird issues with it, it won't stop the listener Jul 08 20:54:37 so my scene get into a loop Jul 08 20:54:52 i'm trying to verify with Services example right now.. Jul 08 20:54:53 b0bben: what kind of listener? Jul 08 20:54:56 oh, this isn't going to end well, is it. Jul 08 20:55:03 no Jul 08 20:55:09 no Jul 08 20:55:15 sugardave: orientationchange Jul 08 20:55:16 * swisstomcat roasts the puppy on a spit Jul 08 20:55:18 not at all well Jul 08 20:55:24 webOS-info: graph Jul 08 20:55:24 it has been said that graph is http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png Jul 08 20:55:40 webOS-info dev Jul 08 20:55:40 haeffb: excuse me? Jul 08 20:55:47 b0bben: and it was working in 1.4.1.1 and prior? Jul 08 20:55:49 I think I need to start a cult. Jul 08 20:55:51 webOS-info palmdev Jul 08 20:55:51 i guess palmdev is http://developer.palm.com Jul 08 20:56:03 i like bots Jul 08 20:56:07 chuqui: what makes you think you haven't already? Jul 08 20:56:10 used to program one in REXX ... way back in time Jul 08 20:56:12 I see, so you would do something like ... Jul 08 20:56:28 REXX....one thing I should have learned with all the OS/2 time I did Jul 08 20:56:34 chuqui: I'll bring the Kool-Aid Jul 08 20:56:39 REXX and ICS Jul 08 20:56:47 sugardave: i think it did, unsure now since i can't remember if i tried it on device or just the simulator Jul 08 20:56:49 because I don't see lots of money or naked slavegirls in my cube. Jul 08 20:56:52 internet connection server Jul 08 20:57:07 I don't know what YOU expect out of a cult, but if I'm going to start one, it's going to be one I enjoy. Jul 08 20:57:11 sugardave: i'll whip up a test app quickly...see if I can reproduce this Jul 08 20:57:24 b0bben: want to paste your stopListening code at webos.pastebin.com? Jul 08 20:57:28 sugardave: i used to work for IBM during my os/2 time :) Jul 08 20:57:29 webOS-info: pastebin Jul 08 20:57:29 sugardave: excuse me? Jul 08 20:57:44 webOS-info: pastebin is http://webos.pastebin.com/ Jul 08 20:57:45 webOS-info: pastebin is http://webos.pastebin.com Jul 08 20:57:45 OK, sugardave. Jul 08 20:57:45 ...but pastebin is http://webos.pastebin.com/... Jul 08 20:57:46 sugardave: sure Jul 08 20:57:49 webOS-info: appMenu is Here is an example appMenu: var appMenuModel = { items: [ Mojo.Menu.editItem, Mojo.Menu.prefsItem, Mojo.Menu.helpItem ] }; this.controller.setupWidget (Mojo.Menu.appMenu, { omitDefaultItems: true }, appMenuModel); Jul 08 20:57:49 OK, elyon. Jul 08 20:57:59 webOS-info: appMenu Jul 08 20:57:59 Here is an example appMenu: var appMenuModel = { items: [ Mojo.Menu.editItem, Mojo.Menu.prefsItem, Mojo.Menu.helpItem ] }; this.controller.setupWidget (Mojo.Menu.appMenu, { omitDefaultItems: true }, appMenuModel); Jul 08 20:58:11 Is that sort of the purpose of webOS-info? Jul 08 20:58:13 swisstomcat: the good old days :D Jul 08 20:58:16 Yo Jul 08 20:58:20 oh yes Jul 08 20:58:22 elyon: it could be Jul 08 20:58:46 i hope webos doesn't end up like os/2 :( Jul 08 20:58:53 perish the thought Jul 08 20:59:00 *shudder* Jul 08 20:59:08 at least Palm made sure their OS ran on their hardware Jul 08 20:59:11 * sugardave rolls his eyes. Jul 08 20:59:23 oh , don't get me started Jul 08 20:59:24 chuqui: how's hp? Jul 08 20:59:24 OS/2 and Aptiva....really? Jul 08 20:59:36 os/2 for powerpc :) Jul 08 20:59:40 hahaha Jul 08 20:59:44 I can't complain. Jul 08 20:59:57 warp commercials on tv Jul 08 20:59:59 chuqui: have things changed much? Jul 08 21:00:00 cause they'll sack him if he does? Jul 08 21:00:04 sugardave: http://webos.pastebin.com/RQQC0MHY Jul 08 21:00:08 lol Jul 08 21:00:29 (of course they have... but does it feeeeeel a lot different?) Jul 08 21:00:33 no, they're trying to not change things too much. they don't want things to stop while they integrate us, they want to add resources to speed up adn extend what we're doing. I'm really rather impressed. Jul 08 21:00:40 b0bben: I think I know your issue Jul 08 21:00:48 I haven't looked at all the code yet, but Jul 08 21:00:50 today i read "Ben and Dion step down" on PC and almost had a heart attack Jul 08 21:01:00 it's very much not like what Yahoo did to delicious (and pretty much everything else they bought) or google did to feedburner. Jul 08 21:01:13 chuqui: sounds like a good outcome Jul 08 21:01:16 good to hear, chuqui Jul 08 21:01:19 chuqui: that's awesome news. I think HP is doing the best thing possible Jul 08 21:01:24 you should do something like this: var this.orientationHandler = this.handleOrientation.bindAsEventListener(this); Jul 08 21:01:25 swisstomcat: heh, me too... till I read the entire sentence Jul 08 21:01:31 then use that var as the callback Jul 08 21:01:32 lots of HP people seem to be excited about webos Jul 08 21:01:34 give you guys resources and let you do your thing Jul 08 21:01:36 in both listen and stopListening Jul 08 21:02:02 very nice Jul 08 21:02:09 sugardave: gonna try that right away Jul 08 21:02:10 don't stop palm releasing that C40 Jul 08 21:02:32 yeah. I'm really looking forward to the next year, see how it all happens. Jul 08 21:02:36 sugardave: thing is, a comment in my handleOrientation is getting called all the time, even if I swapped the scene already Jul 08 21:03:06 "next year" seems a bit late for new HW Jul 08 21:03:31 do orientation events come through to popup-alert stages? Jul 08 21:03:45 yeah, let's hope new hardware makes this year Jul 08 21:04:01 I've got money dying to be spent on a slate/phone Jul 08 21:04:28 * oilsworkn would rather the next device seem "a bit late" and be polished and ready, then release it too early and have hardware problems like the pre Jul 08 21:05:22 b0bben: yeah, that sounds broken...still happens when using that var method? Jul 08 21:05:49 who wanted to make me an fre icon? Jul 08 21:06:00 codeslaw? Jul 08 21:06:05 probably Jul 08 21:06:06 huh? Jul 08 21:06:20 did you translate something for me metaview? Jul 08 21:06:20 who is the guy with the painting app? Jul 08 21:06:27 thats me... Jul 08 21:06:27 I guess Jul 08 21:06:35 then you wanted to draw me an icon Jul 08 21:06:37 alright, what'll it be Jul 08 21:06:41 i did agree to do so Jul 08 21:06:49 it's an iCal import app Jul 08 21:06:52 sugardave: putting the handler into a global totally fixed! thx a bunch! Jul 08 21:06:59 b0bben: np Jul 08 21:07:03 any concepts? Jul 08 21:07:16 it's those handlers, gotta be a reference to the SAME one for listen/stopListening Jul 08 21:07:17 something with a calendar symbol might fit Jul 08 21:07:25 indeed Jul 08 21:07:48 and a drawer symbol for import? Jul 08 21:07:58 so, to give something back to community, who would like instructions and code on how to integrate google maps into your app with a blue pulsating dot (like on the iPhone) that shows current location? Jul 08 21:07:59 mmm, what about an arrow Jul 08 21:08:02 webOS-info: rainbow is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA Jul 08 21:08:02 OK, Tibfib. Jul 08 21:08:13 or an arrow Jul 08 21:08:16 tell b0bben webos101 Jul 08 21:08:20 yeah Jul 08 21:08:21 at least the import might be visible Jul 08 21:08:23 webOS-info: tell b0bben webos101 Jul 08 21:08:23 sugardave: what? Jul 08 21:08:27 webos101.com Jul 08 21:08:32 webOS-info: tell b0bben about webos101 Jul 08 21:08:32 <- b0bben Jul 08 21:08:39 thinking about this cult thing. I'm thinking since I weigh about as much as Jabba the hutt, I'm going to need slave minions and a uniform for them. Jul 08 21:08:45 I'm thining something like this. http://bit.ly/99wjDy Jul 08 21:08:58 now, who to convince to wear that thing in my presence? Jul 08 21:09:07 oh, it's already there? sweet! then i can concentrate on writing code for my project ;) Jul 08 21:09:13 looks about right, chuqu :) Jul 08 21:09:15 chuqui: this will fit you nicely Jul 08 21:09:22 b0bben: NO! add your stuff there :P Jul 08 21:09:23 chuqui: adora? :) Jul 08 21:09:25 b0bben: I dont think so.. they are saying add it there Jul 08 21:09:35 haha, chill money, chill Jul 08 21:09:39 webOS-info: bananas Jul 08 21:09:39 * webOS-info goes bananas on sugardave Jul 08 21:09:42 will do then... Jul 08 21:09:47 cool Jul 08 21:10:03 Having a new problem with my pre. When it's plugged into my computer it says it's 'charing' but the battery percentage just goes down slowly, any ideas? Jul 08 21:10:11 who would not think of adora when seeing that dress? Jul 08 21:10:26 CIDR: it's ooposite day? Jul 08 21:10:29 so...another question: what's the best way to let ppl betatest my app? i'm in sweden, and there are like 3 palm pre's here :/ Jul 08 21:10:30 I would NEVER think of adora. that would be wrong. she's a cherished co-worker Jul 08 21:10:31 CIDR: tried a different charging cord? Jul 08 21:10:34 sugardave: you'd think so Jul 08 21:10:36 not easy finding ppl to betatest Jul 08 21:10:37 Tibfib: yeah Jul 08 21:10:49 Tibfib: I have 2 micro-usb cords, both do the same thing Jul 08 21:10:54 b0bben: but you app into the app catalog beta feed Jul 08 21:11:00 post the beta in the beta web feed but dont' make it public. that'll give you a URL you can give to volunteers to download. Jul 08 21:11:02 b0bben: I believe there's a beta app feed submission for the palm dev portal Jul 08 21:11:09 and there's www.precentral.net Jul 08 21:11:12 webOS-info: precentral Jul 08 21:11:13 sugardave: excuse me? Jul 08 21:11:18 CIDR: tried different usb port? Jul 08 21:11:24 Tibfib: that I have not Jul 08 21:11:26 webOS-info: precentral is http://www.precentral.net/ Jul 08 21:11:26 OK, sugardave. Jul 08 21:11:28 But it's always charged fine before Jul 08 21:11:32 oki, will try that then Jul 08 21:11:44 thx a bunch you bot-loving ppl Jul 08 21:11:51 it's our new toy :D Jul 08 21:12:03 webOS-info: graph Jul 08 21:12:03 graph is http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png Jul 08 21:12:16 Why do you guys keep asking him graph Jul 08 21:12:28 to illustrate our new toy Jul 08 21:12:43 I think you got it backwards :O Jul 08 21:12:57 webOS-info: codeslaw is http://codeslaw.net Jul 08 21:12:57 OK, codeslaw. Jul 08 21:13:06 webOS-info: what is codeslaw? Jul 08 21:13:06 you are http://codeslaw.net Jul 08 21:13:11 Tibfib: trying a different computer now Jul 08 21:13:12 YEAAHH! Jul 08 21:13:37 webOS-info: swisstomcat is http://www.thinmachine.ch Jul 08 21:13:37 ...but swisstomcat is MEOOOOW!... Jul 08 21:13:40 webOS-info: awesome is codeslaw Jul 08 21:13:40 OK, codeslaw. Jul 08 21:13:42 chuqui: could you ask your calendar Oompa Loompas if they could add some API extensions for UberCalendar :) Jul 08 21:13:46 webOS-info: what is awesome? Jul 08 21:13:46 i guess awesome is codeslaw Jul 08 21:13:55 he guesses?! Jul 08 21:14:02 webOS-info: swisstomcat is also http://www.thinmachine.ch/ Jul 08 21:14:02 okay, sugardave. Jul 08 21:14:08 webOS-info: metaview is not here Jul 08 21:14:08 ...but metaview is MetaView hates app spam.... Jul 08 21:14:10 webOS-info: what is amazing? Jul 08 21:14:10 dkirker: i haven't a clue Jul 08 21:14:15 :/ Jul 08 21:14:39 webOS-info: what is metaview? Jul 08 21:14:39 MetaView hates app spam. Jul 08 21:14:41 metaview there are some discussions going on around that stuff. I think you'll see some changes down teh road. Jul 08 21:14:51 would be cool Jul 08 21:14:57 codeslaw: what do you use for domain and hosting? Jul 08 21:15:05 mediatemple.net Jul 08 21:15:31 * MetaView even asked wikipedia for the name of the little workers Jul 08 21:15:37 hahaha Jul 08 21:15:58 MetaView: I was there first...! :) Jul 08 21:16:38 codeslaw: you use gs or something else? Jul 08 21:16:41 dv Jul 08 21:16:43 Can you target different webOS versions during development? Or are you stuck with the version you have installed? Jul 08 21:16:49 i host a lot of stuff Jul 08 21:16:51 dohtem: latter Jul 08 21:16:57 :( Jul 08 21:17:10 paintr gallery alone accounts for 150g / month Jul 08 21:17:15 if you have old doctors, you could doctor your phone and test Jul 08 21:17:30 ahhh Jul 08 21:17:53 right now i'm doing my own hosting, so i'm wondering if i should continue :/ Jul 08 21:18:00 :O Jul 08 21:18:04 not if you expect any real traffic Jul 08 21:18:08 Ba do do do Jul 08 21:18:19 your consumer upload speeds will be bring your site to its knees Jul 08 21:18:26 * oilsworkn thinks you should host it on a pre Jul 08 21:18:42 and overheat the poor thing? Jul 08 21:18:44 a little pre cluster Jul 08 21:18:50 oh man! I just thought of the real first PDK app I should write Jul 08 21:18:51 that'd be cool! Jul 08 21:19:04 rwhitby has enough pres to make a supercomputer Jul 08 21:19:07 Blah way too hot out to be onwIRC. Temps hitting 56 celcius. Jul 08 21:19:21 sugardave: what it is Jul 08 21:19:26 I already got MUD running on the Pre before we had the SDK...write a client and everyone can walk around being mobile MUD servers :D Jul 08 21:19:35 nice Jul 08 21:19:51 * elyon leaps at the heroic possibilities of joining a Palm MUD! Jul 08 21:19:58 hehe Jul 08 21:19:59 lol Jul 08 21:20:08 * elyon does unspeakable things to the IPhone Jul 08 21:20:31 codeslaw: right now, my hosting purposes consist of checking for ads :) Jul 08 21:20:33 * elyon suffers terrible damage at the hands of the Apple Troll Jul 08 21:20:40 * elyon exits west Jul 08 21:20:43 and logging Jul 08 21:20:53 no latency issues? Jul 08 21:21:02 not that i've noticed Jul 08 21:21:12 * haeffb wonders how to get my 10-year-old niece to stop forwarding "cute" emails to me Jul 08 21:21:29 although i'm probably going to bump back up to turbo w/ powerboost Jul 08 21:21:54 haeffb: change your address Jul 08 21:21:55 Hey, does anyone here know about C++? I never know who does :) Jul 08 21:21:57 haeffb: filters :) Jul 08 21:22:20 haeffb: Set up a "cutemail" email address, and have your host filter it before it hits your inbox Jul 08 21:22:47 i got my mom to stop sending me email by continually replying to them with snopes links Jul 08 21:22:50 haeffb: Apple Mail has a thing where you can select a message and go to Message -> Bounce and it will send a bounce e-mail like it can't go through Jul 08 21:23:04 oilsworkn: i tried that, didn't work so well Jul 08 21:23:07 * elyon recommends that all "cute" mail go to cutemail@eclecticdesignstudio.com, where pink ponies and fluffy puppies will warmly receive your messages Jul 08 21:23:11 Or use a pre-existing folder called appropriately junk Jul 08 21:23:26 so i created a filter for anything from mom AND [FW|FWD] Jul 08 21:23:29 in the subject Jul 08 21:23:32 lol Jul 08 21:23:52 i couldn't do that, sometimes she forwards me crap from other family members Jul 08 21:24:18 ya, i haven't had a problem yet Jul 08 21:24:29 I just ran strace on my C++ app, and I can see there it's having "file not found" errors, but I don't know enough about Linux or C++ to understand how to correct it Jul 08 21:24:54 elyon: provide the correct path? Jul 08 21:25:13 sorry, guys, was a rhetorical question Jul 08 21:25:38 Like this: Jul 08 21:25:42 haeffb: did you see this one: http://bash.org/?104383 ? Jul 08 21:25:42 haeffb: you should know by now that asking such question in IRC will net you an answer Jul 08 21:25:44 oops Jul 08 21:26:09 open("/lib/tls/v7l/fast-mult/half/libIMGegl.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Jul 08 21:26:17 I don't know if that's usual or not Jul 08 21:26:25 Or what that library is ... part of SDL? Jul 08 21:26:49 sugardave: had me rolling last night. Jul 08 21:27:16 http://bash.org/?152037 Jul 08 21:27:25 night everyone Jul 08 21:27:42 Worst is when it gets to stuff like this: Jul 08 21:27:43 open("/usr/lib/haxe/lib/nme/.current", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Jul 08 21:27:43 fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 0 Jul 08 21:27:43 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x35584000 Jul 08 21:27:43 write(1, "Error : Could not load module nm"..., 54Error : Could not load module nme@nme_filter_image__2 Jul 08 21:27:47 I like to look at my wife occasionally and say "I put on my robe and my wizard hat" Jul 08 21:27:50 so...uh...webOS is gay because I can't get a popupSubMenu to work. Jul 08 21:27:57 It works great for me Jul 08 21:28:19 I don't use Ares, though ... I don't know if that's what you're using' Jul 08 21:28:23 haeffb: it's not that hard d00d Jul 08 21:28:43 why did my Pre just reboot? Jul 08 21:28:53 haha, that's funny Jul 08 21:28:54 Sugardave: that is by far my fav bash of all time. Jul 08 21:28:56 It might have gotten stuck in a loop Jul 08 21:29:02 haeffb: did you close it too hard? mine's started doing that :( Jul 08 21:29:06 elyon: Is your program compiling and linking successfully, or are your errors coming from gcc? Jul 08 21:29:21 nah, it's just sitting next to me, plugged into the laptop. Jul 08 21:29:33 maik: might be a battery contact issue for you Jul 08 21:29:35 I had errors when I tried to compile/link each file, so now I compile each file, then link after they all are compiled to *.o files Jul 08 21:29:44 haeffb: likely Jul 08 21:29:54 Now it has a couple SDL warnings (which I hear are expected), and then it has runtime errors Jul 08 21:31:03 So the compiling finishes successfully, I take my finished, linked file, transfer it to the device, and then it doesn't run, and says it cant find the module, and strace is showing "no such file or directory" messages, which may or may not be important Jul 08 21:31:34 it seems important Jul 08 21:31:38 :D Jul 08 21:31:44 Wait a second ... this is interesting: Jul 08 21:31:45 open("/lib/nme.ndll", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Jul 08 21:31:45 open("/usr/lib/nme.ndll", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Jul 08 21:31:45 munmap(0x35584000, 30538) Jul 08 21:32:10 How would I link a compiled dll file? In the linker? Jul 08 21:32:31 Like add nme.ndll to the list of files while it is linking? Jul 08 21:33:00 There's a lot of .cpp files which get compiled into .o files before being linked, but there's no .ndll files. I think I might have seen that in the library folder for the framework I'm using Jul 08 21:33:10 So maybe I need to link that in, somehow? Jul 08 21:33:22 that seems reasonable Jul 08 21:34:52 how would you set the link for follow me on twitter? Jul 08 21:34:53 Maybe it's a rabbit trail. The weird part is that I know this code compiles for iPhone, and Windows Jul 08 21:35:00 just twitter and you name? Jul 08 21:35:02 (and Mac and Linux) Jul 08 21:35:13 there are no .dll files Jul 08 21:35:29 so, what level of ethical reprehensibility (scale 1 to 10, 1 is highest ethics) would writing an app which uses another API to a service which has an affiliate program and having said app allow new user signups with the app creator's affiliate link? Jul 08 21:35:30 .dll is windows Jul 08 21:35:56 sugardave: please rephrase the question Jul 08 21:36:00 perhaps add a period or two Jul 08 21:36:01 :) Jul 08 21:36:06 because i have nfi what you said Jul 08 21:36:10 haha Jul 08 21:36:13 okay Jul 08 21:36:17 Kesne asked me to beta test his game but everytime I make a suggstion or report a bug he either says its impossible or doesn't want to change it lol. Jul 08 21:36:25 I'm writing an app as part of an API contest Jul 08 21:36:28 write an ap for people to search for amazon stuff and provide the boy link with your affilitate id Jul 08 21:36:31 they have an affiliate program Jul 08 21:36:50 boy/buy Jul 08 21:36:51 I'm wondering what the "right thing to do" is regarding new user signups to the service Jul 08 21:37:04 I'd like to send them through my affiliate link Jul 08 21:37:08 sugardave: just do it Jul 08 21:37:09 if they're using your app to sign up, i would definitely include your affiliate id Jul 08 21:37:14 but, I don't want people accusing me of fraud, etc. Jul 08 21:37:15 or however it works Jul 08 21:37:17 if not you, someone else will do it Jul 08 21:37:28 okay, good enough Jul 08 21:37:29 :D Jul 08 21:37:37 sugardave: are you opposed to spelling it out in the terms and/or description? Jul 08 21:37:44 .ndll Jul 08 21:37:49 maik: not at all Jul 08 21:37:51 i mean, certainly don't feel like you have to, but if you are worried that's a good way to deal with it Jul 08 21:37:53 It's a Neko DLL ... a little different, I think Jul 08 21:38:08 Neko runs on Linux. haXe for C++ is based on it Jul 08 21:38:11 something like that Jul 08 21:38:44 MetaView: that's a wonderful idea :D Jul 08 21:38:53 sugardave: use your affiliate link but let them know Jul 08 21:40:16 elyon: Sorry, I had some work stuff pop up for a minute. You can't use a dll because that is for Windows. If you are dynamically linking a library in your application it needs to be compiled using the same toolset as the rest of your app. Jul 08 21:42:14 Okay, so unfortunately I can't compare to how this compiles for Mac, or IPhone, since I can't test that right now Jul 08 21:42:25 Might make it easier, because the compilers would be a little more similar Jul 08 21:42:36 However, here's how a single file compile looks for Palm right now: Jul 08 21:42:37 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -c -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp -IC: Jul 08 21:42:37 \Program Files\Motion-Twin\haxe\lib\hxcpp\2,05,1\include -IC:\Program Files\Palm Jul 08 21:42:37 \PDK\include -LC:\Program Files\Palm\PDK\device\lib -Iinclude -Wl,--allow-shlib- Jul 08 21:42:37 undefined -lSDL -lGLES_CM -lpdl -Iinclude ./src/nme/display/JointStyle.cpp -oobj Jul 08 21:42:37 /Release/src/nme/display/JointStyle.o Jul 08 21:42:53 Sorry. I'll try and get that on one line next time Jul 08 21:43:02 Here is what it looks like for Windows: Jul 08 21:43:26 cl.exe -I. -nologo -Od -MTd -DHX_WINDOWS -GR -Zi -c -EHsc -IC:\Program Files\Motion-Twin\haxe\lib\hxcpp\2,05,1/include -D_CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE -wd4996 -DBUILDING_HXCPP_DLL -D_CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE -DHXCPP_DEBUG -DWIN32_THREADS -IC:\Program Files\Motion-Twin\haxe\lib\hxcpp\2,05,1/runtime/thirdparty/gc-7.1/include -IC:\Program Files\Motion-Twin\haxe\lib\hxcpp\2,05,1/runtime/thirdparty/gc-7.1/include/private -IC:\Program Jul 08 21:43:26 Files\Motion-Twin\haxe\lib\hxcpp\2,05,1/runtime/thirdparty/gc-7.1/libatomic_ops-1.2/src -Yuhxcpp.h C:\Program Files\Motion-Twin\haxe\lib\hxcpp\2,05,1/src/String.cpp -Foobj/Debug/src/String.obj Jul 08 21:43:26 String.cpp Jul 08 21:43:38 Can you create a gist or a pastie of that? It's hard to read in IRC... Jul 08 21:43:42 Pastebin? Jul 08 21:43:43 Yeah, sorry Jul 08 21:44:38 elyon: "-DHX_WINDOWS" Jul 08 21:44:51 doubt you want that Jul 08 21:45:11 maybe you do I dunno what you are building Jul 08 21:45:57 http://pastie.org/1036695 Jul 08 21:46:31 arm-non-linux-gnueabi-gcc is the compiler that's used in the Palm example, to create an application for the phone Jul 08 21:46:47 cl.exe is the Visual Studio C++ command line compiler. That's when I compile it for the desktop (which works great) Jul 08 21:47:06 There's also methods to compile for iphone ... hold on, let me see if I can trick it into giving me the output for that Jul 08 21:50:41 elyon: Can you also create a pastie of the errors that you are getting when linking? Jul 08 21:50:46 ugh Jul 08 21:50:47 okay Jul 08 21:52:23 Here's what I get when I strace the application: Jul 08 21:52:24 http://pastie.org/1036706 Jul 08 21:53:16 No errors when compiling or linking then? Are you just getting segfaults when running the app? Jul 08 21:53:20 I don't get any errors when linking, but I get a couple warnings, like this: Jul 08 21:53:21 http://pastie.org/1036710 Jul 08 21:53:32 I'm having a hard time identifying exactly what the problem is Jul 08 21:53:51 Those are expected warning when linking for the device. Jul 08 21:53:53 It's kind of weird, I think, because when I run it without strace, it says one error Jul 08 21:54:04 cannot find module nme@nme_filter_set__2 Jul 08 21:54:10 so, tutorial written about integrating awesome google maps in your apps Jul 08 21:54:24 But when I open the file with nme_filter_set, there is no nme_filter_set__2 Jul 08 21:54:24 can someone plz proof-read it, and maybe follow it in a test-app? Jul 08 21:54:30 http://webos101.com/IntegrateGoogleMapsWithCurrentLocation Jul 08 21:54:38 I don't know what that __2 suffix is Jul 08 21:54:47 Maybe it's just a C++ thing? Jul 08 21:54:48 i haven't linked it yet on the front page or anything... Jul 08 21:54:56 And I'm not actually referencing that file, either Jul 08 21:55:03 in my code. It's just one file in the framework Jul 08 21:55:18 could there be an incorrect software setting in my phone causing it to go from 5 bars to zero randomly, or could that only be a hardware/network issue Jul 08 21:56:09 So is compiling each file, then linking at the end the right way to go? Jul 08 21:56:13 codeslaw? Jul 08 21:56:23 b0bben: nice work, will definitely check it out at some point Jul 08 21:56:26 yo Jul 08 21:56:29 here is the app, and a draft icon Jul 08 21:56:30 http://metaviewsoft.de/de.metaviewsoft.icalimporter_1.0.0_all.ipk Jul 08 21:56:47 would be cool, if you could have an idea Jul 08 21:56:54 i'll check it out Jul 08 21:56:57 elyon: I like to do it that way, so that I can do conditional compilation. No sense in compiling files if they haven't changed... Jul 08 21:57:07 sugardave: thx, love to give back something to the community.... Jul 08 21:57:11 thx, I'm terrible in gfx Jul 08 21:57:15 np Jul 08 21:57:22 i'm still at work, and won't be home till late tonight Jul 08 21:57:28 i do hope Palm integrates a map widget soon though Jul 08 21:57:33 when do you need it by? Jul 08 21:58:21 Robdor: here's a couple more pastes which might help Jul 08 21:58:35 This is the XML which defines how to use the compiler for building and linking: Jul 08 21:58:36 http://pastie.org/1036721 Jul 08 21:59:12 codeslaw: it's night here, I'm now off to sleep, in 17 hours I'm back on my PC :) Jul 08 21:59:21 that should be early enough then Jul 08 21:59:29 i'll see what i can do Jul 08 21:59:37 ok, thx Jul 08 21:59:39 do you have photoshop? Jul 08 21:59:43 can i send you teh source PSD? Jul 08 21:59:45 yes Jul 08 21:59:46 k Jul 08 21:59:50 CS4? Jul 08 22:00:03 http://www.rp-online.de/gesellschaft/leute/Der-Bodypainting-Kalender-2008_bid_29238.html?skip=0# I should take a different job... body painter... Jul 08 22:00:04 Here's what it looks like for Linux: Jul 08 22:00:05 http://pastie.org/1036725 Jul 08 22:00:32 no, PS 5.0 Jul 08 22:01:12 g'night Jul 08 22:01:28 MetaView: Jul 08 22:01:32 pm me your email address Jul 08 22:01:49 ah right Jul 08 22:02:10 cool got it Jul 08 22:02:17 elyon: Are you creating a file called nme.dso? Jul 08 22:02:26 No ... why? Jul 08 22:02:41 This framework is looking for it, but it isn't in /lib or /usr/lib Jul 08 22:03:12 hmm Jul 08 22:03:38 I don't know anything about Haxe, so I can't be much help beyond specific C++ problems. You may want to ask somebody who knows more about it. Jul 08 22:04:06 Well, all the C++ help is a huge help, because I know nothing about C++ :) Jul 08 22:04:16 *sigh* I feel like I'm so close, somehow Jul 08 22:04:25 codeslaw: you live near the UT baseball stadium? Jul 08 22:04:30 The sweet thing is that once this works, I'll be able to share this with the webOS community Jul 08 22:04:43 HattCzech_work: i used to live 3 blocks away, further north now Jul 08 22:04:53 haXe is nearly identical to Flash. You can compile the same code to Flash, a desktop app or (almost) to the Palm Jul 08 22:05:06 So you can take Flash games and port them over, even though we don't have the Flash plugin yet Jul 08 22:05:13 yeah, i noticed that from the whois Jul 08 22:05:31 which is why i'd like to keep mine private when i setup my domain Jul 08 22:05:36 haha indeed Jul 08 22:05:57 but i'm not sure which ones are reliable Jul 08 22:06:09 I've used namecheap, seemed to work pretty well Jul 08 22:06:21 They gave me a free "whois guard" thing for a year or two when I signed up Jul 08 22:07:26 Robdor: Do you mind if I ask a couple C++ questions? Jul 08 22:07:28 elyon: do they guarantee they'll keep your info secure? :/ Jul 08 22:07:41 elyon: Go ahead Jul 08 22:07:50 and what happens after that year or two? Jul 08 22:08:07 HattCzech_work: The whois thing is that it puts their info on it instead of yours. If you keep paying, it will stay that way, but they won't try and steal the domain or something weird like that Jul 08 22:08:43 Robdor: So, am I right in saying that .cpp is a C++ code file, .o is a compiled C++ code file, and .so or .dso is a collection of compiled C++ files? Jul 08 22:10:18 elyon: For the most part. .so and .dso are statically and dynamically linked libraries. Jul 08 22:11:29 So the process is something like ... you compile a file, which combines the cpp file and any relevant h files into one o file ... then once you're done, you can link it all together, which preserves sort of an internal file structure, but now its one file instead of multiple files? Jul 08 22:11:56 WOO! Jul 08 22:11:59 Right. And that one file is usually an executable or a library. Jul 08 22:13:16 So on the compile step, I need -c to tell it to compile only, I need the flags to tell it which architecture to build for, I need the include and library references, and then the file to be compiled, along with where it should put the output? Jul 08 22:13:46 At that point, the includes and libraries are used only for completion sake, but not actually linked in with the compiled file? Or are includes compiled into it, and libraries are left alone? Jul 08 22:15:58 does anyone know of applications making signal unreliable? is there cases of that happening or can that not be the case? Jul 08 22:17:35 nnnnn: everything is theoretically possible, but i doubt there are apps which can do that right now Jul 08 22:18:53 elyon: At the compile step you don't need to specify libraries in the compile step, just the linker step. Jul 08 22:18:53 I really need to finish this movie Jul 08 22:19:40 elyon: If you are doing static linking the libraries are included in your executable, if they are dynamic the system needs to be able to find them at run time. Jul 08 22:21:17 Okay, that makes sense Jul 08 22:21:26 So the compiler step, it doesn't need to know a thing about other files Jul 08 22:21:44 On the linking step, is there a difference between includes and libraries? Are includes automatically added? Jul 08 22:21:56 Or is there a flag you need to add to make it embed the includes? Jul 08 22:23:03 Or maybe I mean ... includes are .h files, so that's used on the compiler step, but libraries are compiled files, which may or may not be embedded in the final, linked file? Jul 08 22:24:02 That last line is right. Jul 08 22:24:58 So if there are cpp files outside my directory that I need, I need to either explicitly compile them, or compile them as an so and link it at the end? By naming something as an include, it doesn't actually automatically pull in code files which are located there? Jul 08 22:25:38 I'm used to things like flash, where you configure source paths, set a "document class" that marks the beginning of your application, then it embeds all required files, unless you explicitly tell it not to Jul 08 22:26:03 or explicitly tell it a path is for completion, but not to be included Jul 08 22:26:17 -I can be considered the flag to set your source path. Jul 08 22:27:48 I should clarify, that's for includes. gcc needs the path to the file when you are compiling it. Jul 08 22:27:58 I wish there was a way to do "compile -imypath" and have it pull everything Jul 08 22:28:00 Yeah Jul 08 22:28:11 Okay, well this all helps me understand how the process is supposed to work Jul 08 22:28:15 That's been one of the hardest parts Jul 08 22:28:50 I know that working with haXe's framework would be unique over other projects, but since I haven't quite understood how the process goes, its hard to tell when I've missed something Jul 08 22:30:18 What is the performance of Haxe like on other mobile platforms? Is it able to handle large games pretty well? Jul 08 22:35:40 I think it is Jul 08 22:35:52 I heard that the difference between C++ and haXe C++ was not significant Jul 08 22:36:09 But it handles things like low-memory, blitting and other things automatically Jul 08 22:36:32 So you can draw a circle, set a background, add an image ... it all stays there. You can compile and test in Flash until you're ready to test on the device Jul 08 22:36:40 Or test in C++ on the desktop, whichever you prefer Jul 08 22:37:06 And the code is very similar to Flash, so there's an Away3D version that's compatible, a library similar to Box2D that works with it Jul 08 22:38:08 It's all very well integrated with code completion in FlashDevelop, which is one of the best (in my opinion, THE best) Flash development environment Jul 08 22:38:30 Oh, and alpha, sound .. stuff like that, too, I think Jul 08 22:38:58 I guess it's also possible to add native C++ code, too, if there's something the framework doesn't cover Jul 08 22:39:26 It converts the language into C files, then you compile that, so it isn't running a real-time interpretor, or something weird like that Jul 08 22:40:10 My guess is that if you wanted to do heavy 3D graphics, you might be best off using C++, or a specifically 3D framework Jul 08 22:40:11 Who is in here? Jul 08 22:40:24 nobody Jul 08 22:40:28 If you use Away3D, it probably is not going to use 3D acceleration. It's still using 2D libraries Jul 08 22:41:01 chuqui! Jul 08 22:41:11 where? Jul 08 22:41:18 chuqui: ! Jul 08 22:41:20 I need somebody to beta test this damn app Jul 08 22:41:34 webOS-info: chuqui Jul 08 22:41:34 LOOK A PUPPY!! Jul 08 22:41:38 webOS-info: puppies Jul 08 22:41:38 Puppies are fluffy. I love fluffies Jul 08 22:43:42 sigh. Jul 08 22:43:58 lol Jul 08 22:44:03 now this is an interesting app... http://foursquare.com/app/peefree Jul 08 22:44:44 reminds me of RunPee for the iPhone Jul 08 22:45:35 webOS-info: chuqui is is cool. Jul 08 22:45:35 ...but chuqui is LOOK A PUPPY!!... Jul 08 22:45:46 webOS-info: forget chuqui Jul 08 22:45:46 elyon: I forgot chuqui Jul 08 22:45:58 webOS-info: chuqui is is cool. Jul 08 22:45:58 OK, elyon. Jul 08 22:46:12 is that what you meant? Jul 08 22:46:15 webOS-info: chuqu Jul 08 22:46:15 Tibfib: sorry... Jul 08 22:46:18 webOS-info: no, chuqui is I LIKE MAYONNAISE Jul 08 22:46:18 ...but chuqui is is cool.... Jul 08 22:46:21 webOS-info: chuqui Jul 08 22:46:21 is cool. Jul 08 22:46:58 webOS-info: palm Jul 08 22:46:58 elyon: huh? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 22:47:23 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 00:18:14 2010 Jul 09 00:52:28 g' nite. Jul 09 00:55:06 dohtem, thats a pretty nifty stencil Jul 09 00:55:41 i'm up to 22 users Jul 09 00:55:42 altho its not pixel accurate ;p Jul 09 00:56:13 well maybe it is, maybe i was just zoomed out too far Jul 09 00:57:44 sugardave- If I'm trying to open a file and then I'm told that the file type is not supported, what does that mean? Jul 09 00:57:57 theres no app to open it Jul 09 00:58:57 really, I thought there was a doc viewer and a pdf viewer Jul 09 00:59:14 is there any way to get it to download them and not try to open them? Jul 09 00:59:30 oh they are downloaded Jul 09 00:59:41 they are in /downloads when in USB Drive mode Jul 09 01:00:44 how can I activate that without having it plugged in though? Jul 09 01:01:23 it would have opened the file if it could Jul 09 01:01:43 it might be visible from the doc viewer app Jul 09 01:01:47 honestly do not know Jul 09 01:02:02 stupid DataViz Jul 09 01:02:19 If they'd release docs2 go I wouldn't have any of this Jul 09 01:02:19 yep Jul 09 01:09:52 i swear.. every mac ive owned cannot keep up with my usage habits.. theres ALWAYS lag.. Jul 09 01:14:24 7 minutes later.. emulator still not fully loaded Jul 09 01:20:38 Woo! I submitted 1.0 to the App catalog Jul 09 01:21:25 congrads Jul 09 01:30:28 Hey all! Jul 09 01:30:45 Arg Jul 09 01:30:47 Now I'm here Jul 09 01:31:01 hi Jul 09 01:31:33 andellmoon: Hello@ Jul 09 01:34:35 oil_pre! Jul 09 01:35:45 eyePhone futurama episode on COmedy Central Jul 09 01:37:48 yeah Jul 09 01:45:26 Oh noes Jul 09 01:45:36 Ginyu got the dragonballs! Jul 09 01:49:13 mundu im is cra Jul 09 01:49:37 all the im apps released for pre are crap Jul 09 01:50:12 Plugins FTW Jul 09 01:53:32 so no go on Mundu IM? Jul 09 01:53:52 funkatron: It's really bad, like IM+ Jul 09 01:54:04 ugh Jul 09 01:54:12 I have IM+ on the iphone. pretty solid all in all Jul 09 01:55:16 IM+ isn't as good as the on-device messenger Jul 09 01:56:25 on webOS, yeah? Jul 09 01:56:46 I think the webOS built in messenger is solid except for not supporting many protocols Jul 09 01:57:29 That's why I use patches to fill the gaps Jul 09 01:58:29 Works nicely Jul 09 01:59:12 I really like the webOS messenger Jul 09 01:59:18 It works just like it should Jul 09 01:59:41 except the multiple cards thing, if it supported that, it'd be nicer Jul 09 02:00:22 dawm|laptop: so, I figured it out, pretty silly of me. you can make the scene html with #{} vars, and then in scene activate use Mojo.View.render to reload it in id='mojo-scene-[scene-name]' Jul 09 02:00:35 nice Jul 09 02:02:42 I need beta testers Jul 09 02:03:17 your a beta tester Jul 09 02:07:17 halfhalo: never gets old Jul 09 02:08:05 i no, rite? Jul 09 02:09:17 having some vine in FreddyVille Jul 09 02:09:24 wine Jul 09 02:19:37 ... i lost my ipod touch somewhere in my room Jul 09 02:20:38 dawn|laptop: check under the mattress Jul 09 02:23:21 Hello all Jul 09 02:30:26 halfhalo! Jul 09 02:31:51 Myyyyyyyeeeeeeeessssssssss? Jul 09 02:32:35 He was telling me in PM he wants to bear your children or something... weird eh? Jul 09 02:34:51 meh, not for him Jul 09 02:53:47 so does backup backup the databases from third party apps too? Jul 09 02:54:13 only ones that have been added Jul 09 02:54:22 "added?" Jul 09 02:54:28 You talking about the preware backup? Jul 09 02:54:32 or palm backup? Jul 09 02:54:36 palm backup Jul 09 02:55:16 hmm good question. I wanna say yes to all apps but idk. I doctored my phone and all my apps came back but I don't remember whether the db's were there too Jul 09 02:55:40 I try not to doctor my phone so I don't have much experience in that area :S Jul 09 02:55:43 the palm backup does not back up db's Jul 09 02:55:54 (third-party) Jul 09 02:55:57 aww Jul 09 02:56:10 just hope I won't have to reset Jul 09 02:56:26 midn you preware backup does backup some popular third party db's and more are added every update Jul 09 02:57:03 Creates a backup file which you point to almost like a restore point in windows Jul 09 02:58:20 save/restore is very nice Jul 09 02:58:52 It is killer in conjunction with zumo drive **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 02:59:57 2010