**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 02:59:57 2010 Jul 09 03:01:37 hey Jul 09 03:01:51 so whats the news on 1.4.5.1 for sprint? Wasnt it supposed to come out on the 7th? Jul 09 03:02:06 Bell = no update yet :( Jul 09 03:02:32 nothing for sprint either :( Jul 09 03:02:39 Aurash: no one knows why it isn't out yet Jul 09 03:02:41 gay Jul 09 03:02:47 very Jul 09 03:02:59 the guy who was about to press the big green "update" button got sniped Jul 09 03:03:00 welll, I'm sure soooooomeone does Jul 09 03:03:33 think we'll get it within the week? Jul 09 03:03:42 im considering doctoring and waiting for the update Jul 09 03:03:50 convert that to palm time... 4 weeks maybe Jul 09 03:04:52 hey, palm isnt valve Jul 09 03:04:57 finally enough users to pay for the domain name i registered... i'm unoficially out of the red! Jul 09 03:04:59 It should be here any day Jul 09 03:05:02 its gotta be here by 2 weeks Jul 09 03:06:04 i sure hope they release it soon Jul 09 03:06:28 i finally got the PDK sample app to run on my pre Jul 09 03:07:18 oh i have a question... has anyone ran into the win7 eclipse issue where the debugger won't load because it can't see localhost? Jul 09 03:07:33 i edited the host file but it had no effect Jul 09 03:08:43 EmmettLollis: using win7 64, and eclipse, what you trying to do when u get the error? Jul 09 03:08:59 run the app in debug mode Jul 09 03:09:25 like to have breakpoints etc Jul 09 03:11:05 debug mode like "palm-log -f com.this.app" ? Jul 09 03:11:52 let me check something real quick Jul 09 03:16:28 hmm Jul 09 03:18:12 is preware down? Jul 09 03:19:39 is it even possible to set a breakpoint when running a SDK app? Jul 09 03:19:56 checking preware now Jul 09 03:20:24 breakpoint for sdk app yes. pdk idk Jul 09 03:20:58 so whats the proper way to do the breakpoint? i set a breakpoint on a line, ran in debug mode and it didn't break Jul 09 03:21:09 Then the line hasnt been called. Jul 09 03:21:26 its just the hello world app Jul 09 03:21:43 maybe i should try another app Jul 09 03:22:16 sugardave: is that on webos101 yet? Jul 09 03:22:58 Hey Jul 09 03:24:46 hi kesne Jul 09 03:25:23 drat. who stole the bot? Jul 09 03:25:27 How's it going everybody doing? Jul 09 03:25:30 greetings, #webos Jul 09 03:25:54 haeffb: Hey Jul 09 03:25:55 EmmettLollis: Start your app with F11 I think it should work Jul 09 03:26:09 EmmettLollis: there is a way to set error reporting to display all errors, have had limited success Jul 09 03:26:40 * haeffb has never tried debugging Jul 09 03:26:41 kesne: good Jul 09 03:27:10 in ares i could set breakpoints and all that good stuff Jul 09 03:27:14 step through etc Jul 09 03:27:19 hey kesne Jul 09 03:27:36 so like haeffb try to fix broken code like a blind man Jul 09 03:27:53 You can always import your project back into Ares. but I think there's also a way to debug Jul 09 03:27:58 :P that's a tough thing to do with an app over 1k lines Jul 09 03:28:04 fortunately i don't have broken code at the moment (that i know of) Jul 09 03:28:09 F11 is run in debug Jul 09 03:28:18 * haeffb uses Mojo.Log for all debugging purposes Jul 09 03:28:53 I use a series of labels which I output to since ARES + phone = no debug Jul 09 03:29:29 My app is landscape only so emu is painful to do any serious debugging Jul 09 03:29:36 all i use is "palm-log -f com.momma.app" Jul 09 03:30:07 see host mode at the bottom of this article: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744&Itemid=21 Jul 09 03:30:11 only good with syntax errors Jul 09 03:31:03 Anivrom... i run in debug/f11 and it skips any breakpoint i set... maybe it's just a webos sdk thing? Jul 09 03:31:53 Actually I got the similiar situation when I fired up Eclipse and set some breakpionts in the setup() in hello world Jul 09 03:32:20 u can't use eclipse debugger, I think Jul 09 03:32:27 command line debugger only? Jul 09 03:32:31 yeah, thats what its looking like Jul 09 03:32:32 Man, pixi support is so painful to implement sometimes. Jul 09 03:32:41 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1672&Itemid=19 Jul 09 03:32:51 Anivrom: yeah, with certain apps Jul 09 03:33:04 Or, as I said, import back to Ares for debugging. Jul 09 03:33:12 Even better, don't write bugs. Jul 09 03:33:16 hahah Jul 09 03:33:39 lol... that's the age old answer. Jul 09 03:33:48 Which is quite impossible :P Jul 09 03:34:23 Ok, boys and girls. I'm shutting this laptop down. Next time you hear from me I'll be on the road headed toward Murrel's Inlet SC for a week on the beach. Jul 09 03:34:36 everytime I open the door to let some more code in a bunch of critter run in behind it Jul 09 03:34:37 hoping to do some coding while the wife drives... :) Jul 09 03:34:46 haeffb: good luck , have a save trip Jul 09 03:34:51 danke Jul 09 03:34:56 i also managed to confuse myself.. i just installed another sdk to look into porting my app and it DOES support the built in debugger but was throwing an error because it couldn't listen to a port on local host, turned out to be an issue with win7 forcing ipv6 Jul 09 03:34:57 say hello to BP Jul 09 03:34:57 LOL, I wouldnt get away with that with my wife Jul 09 03:35:34 I'd hear the "cant you enjoy a vacation without a computer!" Jul 09 03:35:48 oh, also taught the 70-yr old in-laws how to bowl on the Wii tonight. Awesome! Jul 09 03:35:59 the reply... we wouldn't be on this vacation if it wasn't for the computer Jul 09 03:36:00 heh Jul 09 03:36:01 killer Jul 09 03:36:11 later folks. Jul 09 03:36:13 show them to have a keg stand also Jul 09 03:36:16 later haeffb Jul 09 03:36:25 Make sure that strap is bolted onto their medalert bracelets or your T.V is expecting company :P Jul 09 03:36:28 Cya Jul 09 03:36:41 lol Jul 09 03:37:05 medalert; works via satellite? Jul 09 03:37:25 O_o Jul 09 03:37:37 like onstar but in a bracelet? Jul 09 03:37:46 :P Jul 09 03:38:35 I love dragonball z Jul 09 03:39:10 i just got my first international user Jul 09 03:39:12 :D Jul 09 03:40:22 nice! Jul 09 03:42:17 EmmettLollis: awesome Jul 09 03:42:26 from which country? Jul 09 03:42:33 long way off from here Jul 09 03:42:35 canada Jul 09 03:42:37 lol Jul 09 03:44:08 when you release an app does it build momentum from shares to a point or just go downhill from the start? Jul 09 03:44:12 more like the other state "aye" Jul 09 03:44:18 heh Jul 09 03:45:27 EmmettLollis: i think it all varies, but in my experience they all downhill Jul 09 03:45:49 EmmettLollis: for me, it goes downhill Jul 09 03:45:57 downhill after the first day/week/month? Jul 09 03:46:31 it all depends, but downhill Jul 09 03:46:47 For me after the first two days Jul 09 03:46:53 pretty much the same for paid/free? Jul 09 03:48:07 For me, yes Jul 09 03:48:27 New releases bump it up Jul 09 03:48:42 does a new release put it in the whats new? Jul 09 03:48:58 yep Jul 09 03:49:07 oh, now thats good news Jul 09 03:49:14 EmmettLollis: i think once webos apps get more exposure from media, etc, then not all apps will downfall after a few days Jul 09 03:49:19 meta updates too Jul 09 03:49:37 meta updates? like description? Jul 09 03:50:25 yeah Jul 09 03:51:22 nice Jul 09 03:51:55 i made my description very verbose to pickup on any keyword i could think of... like catalog SEO Jul 09 03:52:27 Hehe Jul 09 03:52:38 You should just add at the end Jul 09 03:52:54 EmmettLollis: did you use enough CAPS and **asterisks***? Jul 09 03:53:03 EmmettLollis: it's because of you people the search sucks so much >.< Jul 09 03:53:04 "Keywords: Blah, blahbidy, poop, monkey butt" Jul 09 03:53:30 Like youtube videos with EVERY tag imaginable Jul 09 03:53:32 i think i had like 7 keywords that related to my app Jul 09 03:53:46 dohtem: Asterisks are good to tag updates Jul 09 03:53:49 That's it though Jul 09 03:54:15 are caps supposed to help? doesn't seem like it would Jul 09 03:54:55 EmmettLollis: what results do you get when you type "low carb" into the app cat search? Jul 09 03:54:55 I dont think so... but I see them all the time Jul 09 03:55:17 i get a bikini app Jul 09 03:55:19 lol Jul 09 03:56:11 yeah, the search algorithms of the app cat are really off Jul 09 03:56:19 Hehe Jul 09 03:56:27 Search "TADN" Jul 09 03:56:28 it doesn't have the word "carb" in the description Jul 09 03:56:57 Is JenP around? Jul 09 03:57:08 lol kesne Jul 09 03:57:31 I love that app Jul 09 03:57:45 does it do anything? Jul 09 03:57:51 * halfhalo is booored Jul 09 03:58:03 It plays music Jul 09 03:58:35 so its like a full featured radio app Jul 09 03:58:36 EmmettLollis: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.buildasearch.appcat.app Jul 09 03:58:37 ... with one song Jul 09 03:59:23 that app has more accurate search results than the official app cat Jul 09 04:00:06 Now way I'm gonna pay for that Jul 09 04:00:39 most people don't Jul 09 04:00:47 but it is very accurate Jul 09 04:01:29 not only cuss i built it, but it is have tested it 1000s of times for relevant results Jul 09 04:01:36 suuuure Jul 09 04:03:48 halfhalo: did not build the algorithm, but very accurate Jul 09 04:04:00 :p Jul 09 04:05:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwfQgu_7ULE Jul 09 04:13:55 hmph Jul 09 04:14:11 * Tman is trying to decide if he's motivated enough to take on the next part of this project Jul 09 04:15:34 Tman: go for ut Jul 09 04:15:37 it Jul 09 04:25:52 .join #webos-test Jul 09 04:26:01 :/ Jul 09 04:26:23 halfhalo: what is webos-test? Jul 09 04:26:39 its a channel i use to test irc related stuff Jul 09 04:26:45 IE irc clients Jul 09 04:27:41 k, like testing 1-2-3 type stuff... Jul 09 04:28:03 yeah Jul 09 04:28:19 or testing its behavior on client join, message, etc Jul 09 04:28:41 welcome to join, but its usually pretty boring Jul 09 04:30:01 halfhalo: for wirc? Jul 09 04:30:08 no Jul 09 04:30:15 for my node.js Jul 09 04:30:40 and the wargames stuff Jul 09 04:30:59 halfhalo: is the internals wargames thing online anywhere yet? Jul 09 04:31:17 the crap version has been up Jul 09 04:31:22 where? Jul 09 04:31:37 http://wargames.webos-internals.org/public/ Jul 09 04:33:11 cool Jul 09 04:33:18 er.. wtf Jul 09 04:33:38 halfhalo: just went to the link pretty cool shit Jul 09 04:33:44 halfhalo: what is wrong with it? Jul 09 04:35:25 its very…. touchy Jul 09 04:35:32 rewriting it now Jul 09 04:35:59 ugh Jul 09 04:36:10 i hate people that leave bad reviews for no reason.. Jul 09 04:36:48 i hate people who hate people with bad reviews Jul 09 04:36:49 someone left one for ringwhere about txt messages Jul 09 04:36:52 wait, what Jul 09 04:37:07 yeah.. totally not even related Jul 09 04:37:39 i had a zero star rating on mycokerewards and their review was 'it works great!' Jul 09 04:37:54 *sigh* Jul 09 04:38:04 zero star should have a confirmation Jul 09 04:38:12 IT DOES! Jul 09 04:38:15 that's the sad part Jul 09 04:38:20 at least I think it does Jul 09 04:38:27 dawm|laptop: yeah peeps with negative reviews to give should not have electronic devices Jul 09 04:38:36 Maybe they are colour blind, cant tell gold from grey/blue Jul 09 04:39:03 this.controller.get("cmdClean").opacity = 0.2; Jul 09 04:39:03 this.controller.modelChanged(); Jul 09 04:39:09 Isnt working any thoughts? Jul 09 04:39:18 confirmed... it really does prompt you that you left it 0 stars Jul 09 04:39:19 style.opacity Jul 09 04:39:25 rgr Jul 09 04:39:34 Anivrom: no need for modelchanged Jul 09 04:39:52 hmm really? cause when I change the src property of the object it doesn't update Jul 09 04:40:20 modelchanged reloads the widget, but isnt needed when youre modifying the dom Jul 09 04:40:42 works perfect thanks guys :P Jul 09 04:41:03 just remember .style.styleproperty ;P Jul 09 04:41:21 and you have to specifiy what model you want to change modelChanged(this.model) Jul 09 04:41:25 Shoulda known from my previous code this.controller.get('cmdShop').style.zIndex = "1"; Jul 09 04:42:36 its 1am and im running on 4 hours so im not thinking "too clearly"... which come to think of it isnt a good combonation while coding complex things you don't even know how to code :/ Jul 09 04:42:50 if that made any sense e_O Jul 09 04:43:04 :) no worries, we all do it Jul 09 04:45:04 I'm currently suffering from OLLS.. one last line syndrome... the insatiable need to code that last line of code to complete the functionality you were working on that day before heading to bed. Jul 09 04:45:12 arg, how do you send an argument to the previous scene when you pop one? Jul 09 04:45:32 popScene(arg)? Jul 09 04:45:50 and that's supposed to go....to the earlier scene's activate? Jul 09 04:46:01 not sure, lemme find the doc page Jul 09 04:46:15 I'm trying to find it Jul 09 04:46:20 (on the off chance that it is helpful) Jul 09 04:46:33 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1872&Itemid=244#.popScene Jul 09 04:46:40 yep, passes to activate Jul 09 04:46:49 * Anivrom thinks that tibfibs snippet's simplicity is directly proportional to its ability to generate runtime errors Jul 09 04:46:58 ah, I was looking at deactivate Jul 09 04:47:17 okay, so I need to capture the back gesture and pop it manually Jul 09 04:47:43 Hurray for DOCS Jul 09 04:48:28 sigh... is there a way to get proper autocomplete for Mojo in Eclipse? Jul 09 04:48:53 I thought so Jul 09 04:49:38 Is there any quick way to do a webkit opacity transition without defining keyframes? Jul 09 04:50:10 dohtem: I guess not... I think komodo does though Jul 09 04:50:18 Howdy Jul 09 04:50:19 really? Jul 09 04:50:36 I think so Jul 09 04:50:46 Had to pop in to point out something interesting about the half-off promo Jul 09 04:50:54 word on the street is komodo is the boss of IDE's Jul 09 04:51:06 Tibfib: will it detect Mojo classes when I type "div=" ? Jul 09 04:51:11 Looks like I could set my app to 1000 dollars and buy a few copies my self and have palm double my money Jul 09 04:51:20 dohtem: don't think so Jul 09 04:51:25 :( Jul 09 04:51:31 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201191-komodo-edit-ide-add-code-completion.html Jul 09 04:51:32 Any one tried intellij? Very nice over all Jul 09 04:51:53 It's for java but does a better job than any thing I've seen with javascript Jul 09 04:51:58 scottb: I think they would fire off an email letting you know they won't be giving you the money before that happened Jul 09 04:52:22 Tibfib: Thanks!! Jul 09 04:52:54 scottb: doubt they would let it happen Jul 09 04:53:06 That is my guess but some one is giong to try it Jul 09 04:53:19 Look at the apple app store and that japanese group Jul 09 04:53:29 someone could have tried it for sdk one..... Jul 09 04:56:11 Tibfib: so I could use that with the free Komodo Edit? Jul 09 04:56:40 Nevermind, looks like it. Jul 09 04:58:30 yep, that's what I used to use Jul 09 05:01:14 Gah shut up Jul 09 05:01:19 kyron this, kyron that Jul 09 05:02:26 Who makes App Cat Jul 09 05:02:47 Who killed infobot!? Jul 09 05:03:13 kesne: official app cat? Jul 09 05:03:20 No, the app Jul 09 05:04:00 ooh... Komodo uses the gecko engine? Jul 09 05:04:15 kesne: i do Jul 09 05:05:31 dohtem, yes Jul 09 05:06:52 dawm! Jul 09 05:06:58 I'm going to email you something Jul 09 05:07:01 lies Jul 09 05:12:35 http://www.slideshare.net/padday/the-real-life-social-network-v2 Jul 09 05:14:11 lol, someone at Google that worked on Buzz wrote that? Jul 09 05:14:35 the same Buzz that took your address book and dumped it into the public domain? Jul 09 05:15:21 slide 134 is just the word 'TRUST' ;p Jul 09 05:16:03 lol at slide 176 Jul 09 05:25:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38LMVNzqKtI&feature=player_embedded Jul 09 05:29:31 How popular am I? Jul 09 05:29:39 I need infobot :'( Jul 09 05:44:29 Where are the palm command line tools installed to? Jul 09 05:47:24 http://www.facebook.com/palmweboseatsiphonesforbreakfast Jul 09 05:49:28 anyone know where i am going wrong, when i compile my pdk app it gives me an error "undefined symbol: PDL_Init". The app runs fine in windows but that is what i get when i try to compile for the device Jul 09 05:54:27 Any one know where the palm-package tools is installed? Jul 09 05:57:10 Palm\SDK\bin on windows Jul 09 05:58:03 On a mac -_- Jul 09 05:58:22 Had some system issues and may have lost them all together. Jul 09 05:58:29 Trying to avoid having to reinstall the sdk Jul 09 05:59:24 no clue Jul 09 06:01:14 Thanks for trying Jul 09 06:04:41 should be someone in /opt/ tho Jul 09 06:05:26 somewhere* Jul 09 06:10:32 crap. it's one Jul 09 06:10:43 night all Jul 09 06:10:59 scottb: open terminal Jul 09 06:11:09 tibfib: cya Jul 09 06:11:28 tibfib: laters Jul 09 06:11:34 Man I love how the dragstart dragging and dragend events fire with consistancy. Jul 09 06:11:42 wait no, no they don't :P Jul 09 06:11:48 heh Jul 09 06:12:39 Its pretty much hit and miss. even with tap events. That's one thing I will say iphone as us beat on. That touch screen is like an orgasm, even at its worst its still amazing Jul 09 06:13:36 Anyways I'm off too guys. 2:15am here. worky in.. hmm 4 hours Jul 09 07:46:05 is there any way to open a file other than by ajax call? Jul 09 07:46:12 (local file) Jul 09 07:52:05 I miss webOS-info Jul 09 07:52:07 :( Jul 09 08:41:02 man, where's pandora when you need him? pandora.com is trying to doublecharge me *bitch* and *whine* Jul 09 09:06:21 anyone around that uses notepad++ for JavaScript editting? Jul 09 09:12:50 haha notepad++ is a piece of crap... I used it for 5 minutes and it crashed on me... people like this program, don't they? Jul 09 09:17:13 hey what is the way to develop an mobile-based webapp for iphone and android? phonegap? jquery touch? Jul 09 09:17:19 and of course also for webos Jul 09 09:17:21 :D Jul 09 09:21:39 I don't know what you're asking... do you want to know what ide to use? Jul 09 09:22:45 I use FlashDevelop Jul 09 09:22:50 It's my favorite text editor Jul 09 09:23:04 You can set it to HTML or JScript for syntax, and it colors well Jul 09 09:23:25 I created a webOS project template, so I hit Ctrl+Enter and it pushes it to the emulator, or a phone if its plugged in Jul 09 09:23:52 hmmm... could I get a copy of that template? I'd like to try it out, I'm gonna try to find a replacement for eclipse Jul 09 09:23:58 If you want to make something that is cross-platform, you might need jquery touch, for the Iphone front-end Jul 09 09:24:16 Having PhoneGap will let you compile, but it won't replace the UI widgets Jul 09 09:24:42 http://www.eclecticdesignstudio.com/code/flashdevelop/ Jul 09 09:24:46 Oh, I almost forgot Jul 09 09:24:53 I also have all the webOS samples in there, too Jul 09 09:25:04 So you can download it, and they're all put into my project template Jul 09 09:25:10 So you can edit and compile any of the samples Jul 09 09:25:19 sweet, I'll give it a try and see what I think Jul 09 09:25:27 I appreciate the link, and your work on the template Jul 09 09:25:52 The only catch is that I might have built it based on the AS3 project template, so it may ask for the Flex SDK path when you first try to compile Jul 09 09:25:53 I'm not sure Jul 09 09:26:03 If it does, you can just put in a dummy value if you don't do any Flash development Jul 09 09:26:11 ok Jul 09 09:26:21 flashdevelop.org Jul 09 09:27:16 I really love the project panel ... it makes it really easy to jump between files. If you need access to files which aren't in your project directory, you can go to Project > Properties and add another path, and it will show up Jul 09 09:27:38 cool, I'll try to remember that Jul 09 12:34:50 facebook app status updates broken? Jul 09 12:35:37 dunno Jul 09 12:35:42 i'm going back to bed Jul 09 12:35:50 its too early to be awake Jul 09 12:37:26 lol Jul 09 12:47:12 heya Jul 09 12:51:50 heya Jul 09 12:57:30 is the Palm Facebook app broken? can no longer get status updates to work... Jul 09 12:59:23 i posted something today .. seemed to work Jul 09 13:02:42 hrm Jul 09 13:07:12 says I have not granted the app permission Jul 09 13:16:08 anyone knows where pictures from the camera are located ? Jul 09 13:16:51 haeffb-pre: there might be a permission issue with 1.4.5 Jul 09 13:22:45 famic: /media/internal/DCIM Jul 09 13:31:59 morning Jul 09 13:39:26 hi Jul 09 13:44:25 hi there :) Jul 09 13:58:33 swisstomcat: ty Jul 09 14:13:34 hi, can someone help me with app catalog, cant connect :L Jul 09 14:17:56 hmm Jul 09 14:18:00 web or device? Jul 09 14:19:35 device Jul 09 14:19:39 palm pre unlocked Jul 09 14:19:53 got it yesterday as locked O2 but now its unlocked Jul 09 14:20:31 ok Jul 09 14:20:41 what happens when you try to open the app catalog? Jul 09 14:20:45 i made patched .jar to get to the unlock screen, and i had to skip it cause the phone doesnt have 3g settings for my provider. now 3g works (after db3 editing)...but app catalog doesnt start up Jul 09 14:20:57 starts and i can see few icons but then it goes to cant connect window Jul 09 14:21:09 i can see those icons less than 1sec Jul 09 14:21:26 tried to google some help with no luck Jul 09 14:21:48 got 1.4.5webos if that helps Jul 09 14:22:22 have you tried wifi? Jul 09 14:22:34 ye Jul 09 14:22:36 same thing Jul 09 14:22:57 preware,maps and browser works great on both Jul 09 14:23:15 where was the device activated? Jul 09 14:23:27 finland Jul 09 14:23:48 its UK O2 originally but i unlocked it with nextgenservers Jul 09 14:24:00 hmm Jul 09 14:24:15 is it just that it wont work here? Jul 09 14:24:23 i don't think so Jul 09 14:24:28 on a side question, i have been away from webos dev for a month or two but i am going to pick back up the pdk, and i keep seeing people talking about having 1.4.5, what is the trick to get it? Jul 09 14:24:42 might be better off just getting preware on it, maybe Jul 09 14:24:45 i'm in an unsupported country with an unlocked german o2 device and i can access the app catalog .. no paid apps tho Jul 09 14:25:17 do i have to create palm user account to get it to work? Jul 09 14:25:28 i skipped that window Jul 09 14:25:53 aha Jul 09 14:26:02 it won't work without a palm profile Jul 09 14:26:11 can i create it afterwards? Jul 09 14:26:15 yeah Jul 09 14:26:17 or do i have to reflash without the skipping Jul 09 14:26:23 oh how do i do it? Jul 09 14:26:25 run the firstrun app Jul 09 14:26:43 i did it only let me choose language and then it reboot the phone Jul 09 14:26:47 and then dissapeared Jul 09 14:26:53 didnt ask anything Jul 09 14:26:54 hmm Jul 09 14:27:11 did you use meta-doctor to go past the activation? Jul 09 14:27:15 ye Jul 09 14:27:17 had to Jul 09 14:27:49 palm doesnt have APN for my provider so had to skip it to unlock o2-lock Jul 09 14:28:05 so i guess i have to cook new .jar without the skip Jul 09 14:28:12 and try to upload .db3 Jul 09 14:28:16 to get 3g work Jul 09 14:28:26 or make the wifi patch? which is a lot of work :L Jul 09 14:28:47 strange that firstrun doesn't create a profile Jul 09 14:29:05 come over to #webos-internals for meta-doctor support Jul 09 14:29:50 digitalpowers: the SDK 1.4.5 or the phone OS 1.4.5? Jul 09 14:29:57 if the latter, move to Europe Jul 09 14:30:02 os i presume Jul 09 14:30:02 aha Jul 09 14:30:04 fair enough Jul 09 14:30:14 we are still waiting :( Jul 09 14:30:18 OS and im in europe Jul 09 14:30:26 oh Jul 09 14:30:28 wrong dude :P Jul 09 14:30:33 heh Jul 09 14:36:57 * haeffb joining you LIVE from I-70 in Missouri....headed to South Carolina. Jul 09 14:38:48 hopefully not on the driver-seat Jul 09 14:40:07 uh....how could I drive from the passenger seat? Jul 09 14:40:12 * HattCzech_work slams on his brakes to see if haeffb is paying attention on the road Jul 09 14:40:25 how can you write on your pre and drive at the same time? Jul 09 14:40:38 magic Jul 09 14:40:46 not on the pre...on the laptop with EVDO aircard Jul 09 14:40:57 18hrs of driving = time for coding an update Jul 09 14:40:57 that's better ;P Jul 09 14:45:20 while driving .. coding an update Jul 09 14:45:22 must be magic Jul 09 14:46:33 unless you're stuck in traffic Jul 09 14:46:40 Morning all Jul 09 14:46:48 morning Jul 09 14:51:58 ok, facebook app still not able to send status updates... Jul 09 14:51:59 morning? damn... Another sleepless night Jul 09 14:52:02 it would appear that Mojo.View.render ignores comments in the the template file Jul 09 14:52:25 that's a feature Jul 09 14:52:47 webos-info: where are you...!?!?!? Jul 09 14:53:01 discombobulate killed it Jul 09 14:53:06 * sugardave blames kesne. Jul 09 14:53:08 I did Microsoft tech support many years ago for Windows ME (I puked a little in my mouth just now) and they used to call bugs features all the time when I needed to escalate high enough... Jul 09 14:53:23 appamajig: that's just sick Jul 09 14:53:33 :( Jul 09 14:53:52 it is kesnes fault Jul 09 14:54:11 oil: *kesne's Jul 09 14:54:24 kenses Jul 09 14:54:30 oil: no more problems with wirc plugin Jul 09 14:54:33 skenes Jul 09 14:54:56 sekne Jul 09 14:55:19 haeffb: kesne Jul 09 14:55:39 kesne: haeffb Jul 09 14:55:42 someone said it's all Kenses fault Jul 09 14:56:09 and? Jul 09 14:56:12 it is Jul 09 14:56:32 I'm a litle too lightheaded to follow this conversation any longer Jul 09 14:56:57 appamajig: Lay off the alchohol. Jul 09 14:57:09 I quit drinking two years ago Jul 09 14:57:17 and smoking... I'm much happier now :) Jul 09 14:57:22 I'm proud of you son :') Jul 09 14:57:35 * haeffb taking over for the bot Jul 09 14:57:37 I haven't slept in.... about... 28 hours... Jul 09 14:57:53 haeffb: so you're webos-info now? Jul 09 14:58:01 I did that last summer Jul 09 14:58:04 * sugardave quit drinking a while back. "Smoking? Not so much." Jul 09 14:58:10 And I won't get a chance today... then I"ll be able to sleep through the night... try to get my hours turned around Jul 09 14:58:17 I stayed up for the 50 hour spongebob marathon. Jul 09 14:58:22 lol Jul 09 14:58:28 sugardave: smoking is gross Jul 09 14:58:34 spongebob... it's been a while since I seen that :) Jul 09 14:58:38 yeah it is Jul 09 14:58:39 Heh Jul 09 14:58:48 I watched it.... day before yesterday Jul 09 14:58:50 I love the episode where they found the swear words on the dumpster... I laughed my ass off Jul 09 14:58:59 And if your gonna smoke, smoke something good Jul 09 14:59:06 That's a really good one Jul 09 14:59:16 That's an older one too Jul 09 14:59:26 The older ones are usually bettter Jul 09 14:59:44 haeffb: haeffb Jul 09 14:59:50 haeffb: kesne Jul 09 14:59:53 I guess haeffb is taking over Jul 09 15:00:05 I heard it's all kesnes fault Jul 09 15:00:13 haeffb: gun Jul 09 15:00:16 haeffb: graph Jul 09 15:00:20 haeffb shoots kesne Jul 09 15:00:20 haeffb: oil Jul 09 15:00:24 haeffb: pie Jul 09 15:00:31 heaffb: sugardave Jul 09 15:00:32 oil is working Jul 09 15:00:33 are you stuck in traffic, haeffb? Jul 09 15:00:40 haeffb: webos Jul 09 15:00:44 driving with one hand, botting with the other Jul 09 15:00:49 haha Jul 09 15:00:54 kesne: stop trying to get haeffb killed Jul 09 15:00:55 * swisstomcat calls the police Jul 09 15:00:56 I'm torn... should I stop adding features and wrap it up and do some bug testing and finish it up so I can submit the 'free' version, or do I get the whole thing ready and submit both at once? Jul 09 15:00:57 haeffb is tired of being a bot Jul 09 15:00:59 Hehe Jul 09 15:01:07 I almost killed him! Yes Jul 09 15:01:22 ghost driver on I-70 in missouri Jul 09 15:01:25 haeffb: webos-info never bitched about it Jul 09 15:01:27 take him out Jul 09 15:01:27 appamajig: good question, let me know what you decide Jul 09 15:01:49 appamajig: wrap up and release beta Jul 09 15:01:56 haeffb: if you crash and die, I will literally rofl Jul 09 15:02:53 hmmm... yeah, that's what I'll do... I might have it ready by the end of today as long as I don't fall asleep at the keyboard Jul 09 15:03:41 collect feedback from the beta and the get out the app catalog version Jul 09 15:03:52 speaking of betas .. did everyone here try my tuts+ beta? Jul 09 15:04:00 Carefull relasing it in the beta feed Jul 09 15:04:16 that sounds like good advice... this will be my first finished app (and my first attempt I guess) kinda exciting Jul 09 15:04:34 The app catalog doesn't allow apps with the same name, so if you submit something in the beta feed, you can't release the same-named app in the main feed Jul 09 15:04:38 yeah, I checked it out, I left the feedback from the feedback button to make the email address not capitalize the first letter like a name field Jul 09 15:04:46 swisstomcat: I did! Jul 09 15:04:51 and? Jul 09 15:04:59 No-good POS. Jul 09 15:05:03 Actually, it was fine Jul 09 15:05:04 oooh, so I wanna release it in beta as myApp -Beta- or something, eh? Jul 09 15:05:06 heh Jul 09 15:05:14 appamajig: yep Jul 09 15:05:18 Like I did Jul 09 15:05:22 "Checkers Beta 2" Jul 09 15:05:30 appamajig: yeah, i got that feeback .. thanks Jul 09 15:05:34 cool, thanks for the heads up Jul 09 15:05:40 swisstomcat: np Jul 09 15:05:50 swisstomcat: Not sure why I'd want to view the tutorials on my phone though Jul 09 15:06:04 feedback forms are a good idea to collect data from your users Jul 09 15:06:14 I like the idea... if I used the site, I could hit it up when I'm bored... Jul 09 15:06:18 * haeffb needs to modify my contact page. Jul 09 15:06:31 add instructions for support requests Jul 09 15:06:42 need more than "your app is broken. fix it." Jul 09 15:06:42 I like the feedback form... how'd you collect the data, anyhow? some sort of server or something? Jul 09 15:07:07 kesne: good point .. i have to add a "add favourite" function so you can go back and read those articles on your pc/notebook later Jul 09 15:07:19 appamajig: yeah, server script that shoots me an email Jul 09 15:07:26 Maybe an email function Jul 09 15:07:29 ah, I was thinking along those lines Jul 09 15:07:38 good point kesne Jul 09 15:07:54 "share this article" Jul 09 15:08:15 email/sms/fb/twitter/... Jul 09 15:09:59 good lord, I'm a horrible ui designer Jul 09 15:10:39 my app has levels, exp, and cash... I was thinking about doing something like giving a free level, a bunch of cash, or a special ability, if they input someone's email address, and approve an email inviting them to try the game... but I feel sleazy doing that... what do you guys think? Jul 09 15:10:48 maybe I should start a new company name: Fugly Apps Jul 09 15:11:04 sugardave: rofl Jul 09 15:11:21 "These apps are ugly, but they work!" Jul 09 15:11:48 doesn't sound sleazy to me Jul 09 15:11:48 appamajig: don't feel too sleazy....you should see some of the things I've tested Jul 09 15:11:54 sugardave: These apps are so fugly, they'll break your screen! Jul 09 15:12:07 those apps are so fugly, you'll get eye cancer Jul 09 15:12:12 heh Jul 09 15:12:17 nah, I like yours better... I'm too tired to come up with slogans Jul 09 15:13:41 bbiab Jul 09 15:13:46 has anyone written an app using the pdk and sdl for the graphics with any success? i just nocked out a quick prototype yesterday and it is slow as ... something that is really slow Jul 09 15:14:14 digitalpowers: elyon is learning C++ and I think Robdor and egaudet were offering help Jul 09 15:14:41 digitalpowers: I think swisstomcat and MetaView are working with the PDK as well Jul 09 15:15:36 sugardave: i am fairly comfortable with c++ and i have used sdl before my concern is that just bliting a few graphics onto the screen makes the game loop crawl like i am rendering a masterpeice. i might have to learn opengl and do 2d graphics with that, but it seems overpowered for something so simple Jul 09 15:16:01 have you tried setting up some timers to see if there's some specific code that is slowing you down? Jul 09 15:16:17 * sugardave wishes he knew what you were talking about. Jul 09 15:16:34 no that is a good idea though, i will give that a shot and see what i can see Jul 09 15:16:54 you just record the time when you start a function, and minus that from the time when the function is complete and see how long it took Jul 09 15:17:23 sometimes there are specific api calls or operations that take longer than you would expect... I would imagine... especially with this sort of architecture Jul 09 15:18:15 digitalpowers: How many fps' are you getting? Jul 09 15:18:59 Robdor: i havent checked, not many though i am shooting for 25 fps in my loop but i am not actually counting, i will go do testing Jul 09 15:19:41 I got some pretty good performance just using SDL for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V90woECCIFM Jul 09 15:20:05 For my actual game though I had to use OpenGL. SDL just couldn't quite cut it. Jul 09 15:20:53 that's kindof a fun little app... if you change the circles to boobies... you could probably make a little money on a $1 app lol Jul 09 15:21:07 :) Jul 09 15:21:12 yeah that test was decent fps, but i think you might be right that sdl doesnt much cut it for a game Jul 09 15:30:54 i've only installed the pdk, that's how far i got :) Jul 09 15:31:37 I'm gonna have to stop developing when school start again in a few weeks... otherwise I'd give some pdk apps a try... Jul 09 15:32:17 i am much more at home in c++ than i am in javascript, so i am enjoying the pdk Jul 09 15:32:27 but i never did learn opengl so that will be interesting Jul 09 15:33:15 yeah... javascript is just so ridiculously non-strict... it kinda drives me nuts Jul 09 15:33:47 yeah you and me both Jul 09 15:35:42 yeah, way too much freedom to do what you want Jul 09 15:35:56 hahaha, way to much freedom to do the wrong thing Jul 09 15:36:08 exactly Jul 09 15:36:27 really my biggest dislike of the whole javascript world is that i never know exactly what is going on, i am too much of a control freak for that Jul 09 15:36:51 I use the JSLint validator in eclipse... it's so incredibly anal, that it actually helps me when I messup a variable name or something Jul 09 15:37:17 yep, when i was doing mojo work i used that thing up a storm Jul 09 15:37:56 it's nice with aptana, it just constantly runs... it stops working sometimes, though, and I have to restart eclipse to get it going again Jul 09 15:37:57 very annoying Jul 09 15:38:19 shame on me, I don't use jslint Jul 09 15:38:19 that's my gripe with eclipse... it's a resource hog and a bit overpowered, but that doesn't bother me... I just wish it was stable Jul 09 15:38:34 meh... jslint can be as annoying as it is helpful Jul 09 15:38:38 the dude is super anal Jul 09 15:39:13 for instance, a comparison against 0, '', undefined, or null must use the !== or === operators Jul 09 15:39:33 ALWAYS USE === AND !== Jul 09 15:39:34 stuff like that... it makes sense, but it won't really make a difference in my app :) probably a good habit, I guess Jul 09 15:39:45 I never use === or !== Jul 09 15:39:52 kesne: you sucj Jul 09 15:39:52 lol Jul 09 15:39:54 suck, too Jul 09 15:40:00 you should use === and !== unless you mean == or != Jul 09 15:40:18 I've come to a point where if it works, it's fine be me Jul 09 15:40:32 yeah, I know... I had never really used javascript in anything other than a popup menu in a webpage before this, so I didn't know that before JSLint came along Jul 09 15:41:15 Mojo framework is my first exposure to JS, I think I got to miss out on a lot of bad habits Jul 09 15:41:37 yeah mine too, beyond some basic web stuff, but that was very basic Jul 09 15:42:03 it may be non-strict to distraction, but really, it's an interestingly powerful and flexible language, I've had a mixed bag of frustrating behavior and thinking oooh, that's cool... lol Jul 09 15:42:18 I like it, though...once you get your head around asynchronicity and callbacks, it's pretty fun Jul 09 15:42:36 c++ is still the best language ever Jul 09 15:42:42 ... well other than cobol Jul 09 15:42:47 still working on understanding bind...I'm better now Jul 09 15:42:49 lol Jul 09 15:42:58 never played with cobol... :) Jul 09 15:43:02 it is horrible Jul 09 15:43:06 hahaha Jul 09 15:43:35 bind confused me a little at first too Jul 09 15:43:38 webos-info: sugardave is also the guy to ask about javascript binding Jul 09 15:43:43 haha Jul 09 15:44:01 I got so sick of not ever understanding what the scope was, that I ended up looking up stuff about it for like 2 or 3 hours one day so I would finally know what was happening Jul 09 15:44:31 appamajig: I just started adding bind(this) to everything that I thought should work, yet somehow didn't Jul 09 15:44:32 not that I didn't know what scope meant before this of course... I Just never knew what the scope was of a function that I called Jul 09 15:44:40 lol Jul 09 15:44:41 I had about 80% success with that strategy Jul 09 15:44:48 that sounds about right Jul 09 15:45:10 i use komodo edit which also has syntax checking Jul 09 15:45:16 only use it on callbacks... and only when you want the function to be called with the scope that you're in when you setup the callback Jul 09 15:45:42 so pretty much every callback in your setup function... Jul 09 15:45:46 heh Jul 09 15:45:48 yeah Jul 09 15:46:08 I need a beta tester Jul 09 15:46:13 sure Jul 09 15:46:14 I setup a global variabel CONTROLLER and do a CONTROLLER = this.controller in the setup of every scene, and I never had trouble calling up dialogs and whatnot again Jul 09 15:46:44 I can help you if you need, kesne Jul 09 15:48:09 appamajig: I like to type a lot, so I use Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().getActiveScene() a lot Jul 09 15:48:15 guaranteed Jul 09 15:54:05 sugardave: I like to know what's going on so I use this.controller with the proper scope... Jul 09 15:54:39 & keep fudging with it until the scope works Jul 09 15:54:49 haeffb: I've been playing a bit with formatters again...I remember you mentioning that you had already used a property once but needed another format for it....did you know that you can return a keyed array and produce multiple formats with one formatter? Jul 09 15:55:08 nope Jul 09 15:55:12 that sounds useful Jul 09 15:55:23 haeffb: actually, I only use the long way in my external .js files now Jul 09 15:55:34 I bet it would look good on http://www.webos101.com Jul 09 15:55:46 I haven't tested it yet, but it's in the docs Jul 09 15:56:25 even in external .js, you should still be able to pass a controller, or a callback that is properly bound to the scene assistant. Jul 09 15:56:42 sure, I could do that Jul 09 15:56:47 I just worry about not having the correct scene/stage active when something external is run. Jul 09 15:57:13 it works for me so far because I still only do single-stage apps Jul 09 15:57:14 but I'm not sure I could give an example where that would be a problem. Jul 09 15:57:31 but this new app...I might need to go multi-stage at some point Jul 09 15:57:40 that's the only way to do multiple cards, yeah? Jul 09 15:57:54 yeah. Jul 09 15:58:00 unless you use kesne's way. Jul 09 15:58:10 What? Jul 09 15:58:11 god forbid Jul 09 15:58:21 which nobody else can reproduce Jul 09 15:58:33 You mean the one without the app assistant? Jul 09 15:58:39 yep that one Jul 09 15:58:51 Ah Jul 09 15:58:55 I'm god Jul 09 15:59:05 erg, meeting Jul 09 15:59:17 eek. Jul 09 15:59:27 I'm on vacation, don't mention meetings. Jul 09 15:59:29 watch?!!?!? Jul 09 16:00:42 not yet, but I Jul 09 16:00:51 'm not sure if we checked the mail yesterday Jul 09 16:01:13 * sugardave waits for his manager to call. Jul 09 16:01:22 it says 11:00 dammit Jul 09 16:06:21 I think this is the meeting where I find out that I don't get a raise this year....again.... Jul 09 16:08:05 So, going to finally look at tackling background operation for syncing in the background on the woru to go. Jul 09 16:08:09 app Jul 09 16:08:35 woot! Jul 09 16:08:40 money? Jul 09 16:08:52 I like money.... :p Jul 09 16:09:33 "We don't have time for a handjob!" Jul 09 16:09:42 ... Jul 09 16:09:46 :p Jul 09 16:09:48 ? Jul 09 16:09:54 sorry, from Idiocracy Jul 09 16:13:26 turns out manager thought he was supposed to talk to the other Dave first....dammit Jul 09 16:13:31 now I wait some more Jul 09 16:16:20 anyone hear anything about the hotapps winners? Jul 09 16:16:36 what happened to them? Jul 09 16:16:43 taken out back and shot Jul 09 16:16:49 oh noes! Jul 09 16:20:11 * haeffb going incognito for a while Jul 09 16:21:36 aka "haeffb going to surf porn for a while" ? Jul 09 16:25:17 ...daisy dukes...bikini's on top... Jul 09 16:25:41 * haeffb hiding from the hot apps execution squad Jul 09 16:26:00 executioners eh? Jul 09 16:26:04 bahaha, up to 375 downloads Jul 09 16:26:09 65 two days ago and 60 today Jul 09 16:26:45 codeslaw: thats the rumor Jul 09 16:26:57 should i be worried? Jul 09 16:27:16 why would you not? Jul 09 16:27:28 good point Jul 09 16:27:39 i'll be hoarding canned food in my garage Jul 09 16:28:19 do I find the messaging plugins in preware or do I have to use quickinstall? Jul 09 16:28:38 be sure to store a lot of canned bread Jul 09 16:29:09 when you take off the labels, be sure to take a sharpie and write on the can what it is Jul 09 16:29:42 oilsworkn: that defeats the purpose of removing the labels Jul 09 16:29:55 because they get old and unreadable and fall off Jul 09 16:29:57 http://www.balsamiq.com Jul 09 16:30:10 which is why you mark them with a sharpie Jul 09 16:30:14 so you always know what it is Jul 09 16:30:56 then how would i play dinner can surprise? Jul 09 16:31:41 then don't label it Jul 09 16:32:04 * oilsworkn prefers to know what is in the can he is opening Jul 09 16:33:36 ewww Jul 09 16:33:37 cans Jul 09 16:42:10 weewt Jul 09 16:46:04 damn still no 1.4.5.1 update Jul 09 16:46:39 :,( Jul 09 16:46:54 webos-info: update Jul 09 16:47:02 haha Jul 09 16:47:13 the bot is still gone :( Jul 09 16:47:19 if only we had a bot, the update would be here by now Jul 09 16:47:27 I no, rite? Jul 09 16:48:01 urg, i want confirmation on my hot apps winnings before i buy things Jul 09 16:48:19 psh Jul 09 16:48:22 spend it all now! Jul 09 16:49:00 doitdoitdoit Jul 09 16:49:06 * oilsworkn bought steel battalion! haha Jul 09 16:49:10 * haeffb spending mine on a weapons stash to hold off the execution squad Jul 09 16:49:11 it shows up tuesday Jul 09 16:50:12 heheh Jul 09 16:50:29 50" samsung plasma (8000 series) Jul 09 16:50:32 ups says its 20lbs Jul 09 16:50:48 that's pretty heavy Jul 09 16:51:00 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Steel_Battalion_controllers.jpg Jul 09 16:51:01 haha Jul 09 16:51:16 heheh, yeah, i saw that before... gigantic Jul 09 16:53:09 windshield wiper button, lol Jul 09 16:54:25 wwwwtf Jul 09 16:54:36 its a www wtf Jul 09 16:54:49 stupid 500 error Jul 09 16:55:02 eh? Jul 09 16:55:35 Stupid php file has wrong permissions, and the path to where the file is stored on the server is horribly convoluted via ssd Jul 09 16:55:37 ssh Jul 09 16:55:48 why Jul 09 16:56:55 because.... it is? My user is on a diff server than the user that has the web files, and the servers always change. and it takes about 20 minutes to retrieve the list of users in a servers homedir Jul 09 16:57:24 sux Jul 09 16:57:25 i see Jul 09 16:59:18 oh Jul 09 16:59:26 wait, wasn't permissions Jul 09 16:59:38 forgot the header thing the main server needs Jul 09 16:59:42 haha Jul 09 17:00:22 stupid iis forwarding crap Jul 09 17:01:17 yay, now the stupid page sorta works! Jul 09 17:07:06 boop Jul 09 17:07:11 bop Jul 09 17:07:57 good day everyone Jul 09 17:08:31 do we still have webOS-info Jul 09 17:09:07 nope, he left Jul 09 17:09:14 but why Jul 09 17:09:18 discombobulate killed it Jul 09 17:09:18 he knew so much! Jul 09 17:09:32 #webos became #playwithbot Jul 09 17:09:40 There are alot of people in Albany according to ze geoip thingie Jul 09 17:10:14 Albany NY Jul 09 17:10:31 CTLAdvance: mornin :) Jul 09 17:10:35 mornin Jul 09 17:11:04 morning everone! Jul 09 17:11:17 HEY! Jul 09 17:11:23 Howdy Jul 09 17:11:31 So still no 1.4.x goodness? Jul 09 17:11:41 1.4.1 goodness abounds Jul 09 17:11:52 you know what I meant ;) Jul 09 17:12:56 No need to thank me folks. Jul 09 17:13:21 we won't Jul 09 17:13:30 D: Jul 09 17:13:46 :( Jul 09 17:13:59 :( Jul 09 17:14:07 haha Jul 09 17:14:21 _pre = 030? Jul 09 17:14:38 ? Jul 09 17:14:45 you so cwazy Jul 09 17:14:58 * oilsworkn assumes wirc when he sees _pre Jul 09 17:15:05 it is Jul 09 17:15:13 old version though Jul 09 17:15:19 024 ;( Jul 09 17:16:01 come on 1.4.5 Jul 09 17:16:03 drop already Jul 09 17:16:28 I want 1.4.5 and new wIRC Jul 09 17:17:25 hahaha that hp voodoo guy "I know this is stupid, but I did it again. Palm is too small, forgot in shorts, swam, baked, it works again. I have to stop this." Jul 09 17:17:50 Hey, has anyone had trouble with GL/gl.h and GL/glu.h? Jul 09 17:18:14 I'm getting compiler errors, but I'm not sure if I need those files, or if I need to figure out a way to skip that? Jul 09 17:19:17 * elyon misses webOS-info Jul 09 17:19:27 gogo new ip parsing! Jul 09 17:19:33 what are the errors elyon? Jul 09 17:20:09 SDL_opengl.h:46: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory Jul 09 17:20:31 #include "GLES/gl.h" Jul 09 17:20:31 #include "GLES/glext.h" Jul 09 17:20:43 glu doesn't come with the PDK Jul 09 17:20:55 i think someone has had success compiling it in, not sure Jul 09 17:21:03 Okay, so the source I'm using looks like it is trying to statically link SDL Jul 09 17:21:10 I'm guessing the ideal is for it not to? Jul 09 17:21:14 For it to be a dynamic link? Jul 09 17:21:25 not sure honestly Jul 09 17:21:31 gogo dynamic ip parsing! Jul 09 17:21:40 I would guess, if its static, it's going to require all of the source files Jul 09 17:21:55 If it's dynamic, it will assume its there, and if the code doesn't require an SDL feature, it wont care Jul 09 17:22:03 Rather than searching for every relevant file Jul 09 17:22:15 But then I'm not sure what I do when it looks for SDL.h Jul 09 17:22:30 Hmm Jul 09 17:23:14 Okay, so lets roll back a second Jul 09 17:23:25 Static and dynamic binding are done at the linker level. You still need to provide correct header files of the libraries for the compiler. Jul 09 17:23:26 So I get the error: SDL.h: no such file or directory Jul 09 17:23:55 It has the paths for the PDK include folder, and the PDK library folder Jul 09 17:24:07 err... linking, not binding. Jul 09 17:24:21 However, in the include folder it is SDL\SDL.h, not SDL.h Jul 09 17:24:50 So if I change paths or do something to make it find that file, then it looks for GL/gl.h, then if I let it have that it looks for GL/glu.h Jul 09 17:24:53 This is all SDL Jul 09 17:25:14 Isn't there some way to make it ignore SDL, since we know the system libraries don't implement every SDL feature? Jul 09 17:25:24 hrm Jul 09 17:25:36 Or you mean that having the headers doesn't really add overhead, it's just for completion? Jul 09 17:25:59 No, your compiler still needs the headers. You can add as many -I options to the compiler as you want. So you can do -I/opt/PalmPDK/include -I/opt/PalmPDK/include/SDL if you want. Jul 09 17:26:30 So I need to figure out how to download GL/glu.h, I guesS? Jul 09 17:27:27 I have a package called "sdl-static", which includes all kinds of header files Jul 09 17:27:38 When I include it as a path, it finds SDL, then it looks for GL Jul 09 17:27:50 So I find someplace where I can download GL, instead of GLES and GLES2? Jul 09 17:30:10 I'm not sure how feasible that is, there could be driver or hardware constraints that tie you to using ES. I could be wrong though. Jul 09 17:30:16 Woo! Jul 09 17:30:20 Look at it go now Jul 09 17:30:30 I found some GL stuff, and copied it into that sdl-static directory Jul 09 17:30:41 now it's looking for opengl32.lib and some other stuff Jul 09 17:31:00 Now is it baking this stuff into my code, or just using it for completion? Jul 09 17:31:14 I don't want to end up with a hulking 30 MB statically linked app Jul 09 17:31:22 just to say "hello world" Jul 09 17:31:30 Or maybe that isn't what its trying to do? Jul 09 17:31:54 ah, wait a second Jul 09 17:33:20 Oh, I get it now Jul 09 17:33:35 Okay, so it looks like it compiled the code fine Jul 09 17:33:39 Now its onto linking Jul 09 17:34:01 There's a list of things its trying to link, but I'm not sure what I should let it link, and what I shouldn't? Jul 09 17:34:51 SDL_image, mixer, ttf, main, freetype, jpg,png, mpeg, vorbis, ogg, zlib, opengl32.lib, user32.lib, gdi32.lib, advapi32.lib, ddraw.lib ... Jul 09 17:35:10 It looks like those lib files are only for windows, so I can probably safely assume I don't need those Jul 09 17:35:32 But what about those SDL libraries? Do you think I need to statically link any of them, or am I safe to assume they are all present in the OS? Jul 09 17:36:22 You will have to build most of those libraries yourself. Jul 09 17:36:32 Goodnight. Jul 09 17:36:33 okay Jul 09 17:36:38 I'm getting errors now: Jul 09 17:37:03 undefined references to glOrtho, glColor3ub, glTranslated, glRotated, IMG_Load, TTF_Init, Mix_OpenAudio Jul 09 17:37:14 Is that file missing an include? Jul 09 17:37:44 So far I've had to add stdio.h stdlib.h to a couple files Jul 09 17:37:53 Any idea what these would be from? Jul 09 17:39:36 You need to link to SDL_mixer for Mix_OpenAudio Jul 09 17:39:42 the gl stuff should be self explanatory .. the IMG_Load is SDL_image.h i believe Jul 09 17:39:54 IMG_Load is part of SDL and so is TTF_Init. Jul 09 17:40:38 Make sure that you are linking with the same libraries that you are compiling with. Jul 09 17:42:22 c:/program files/codesourcery/sourcery g++ lite/bin/../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/li Jul 09 17:42:22 bc/usr/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': Jul 09 17:42:22 init.c:(.text+0x34): undefined reference to `main' Jul 09 17:42:35 This stuff makes me dizzy :) Jul 09 17:43:04 Oh, I see Jul 09 17:43:16 Well, I don't know what that "undefined reference to main" thing is about Jul 09 17:43:27 But these other errors are coming from .o files, not .cpp or .h files Jul 09 17:43:48 Which tells me that it had the headers in order to compile, but now it doesn't have the libraries, in order to link correctly? Jul 09 17:45:33 undefined reference to main means that you are probably leaving out the object file that defines the main function when linking. Jul 09 17:46:10 Hmm, I wonder if that is on purpose? Maybe not Jul 09 17:46:25 I'm trying to build a framework library, which gets combined with project code Jul 09 17:46:47 So the project will obviously have a main function to start, but this is all supposed to be linked with it at the end Jul 09 17:48:06 Ugh. I guess this would probably be easier in a Linux environment Jul 09 17:48:21 use apt-get and then everything's happy? Maybe not Jul 09 17:49:17 Okay, new question Jul 09 17:49:23 If I am going to link to libraries ... Jul 09 17:49:35 Am I safe to use libraries compiled for IPhone, or for Android? Jul 09 17:49:42 Or do I really truly have to do them myself? Jul 09 17:49:56 I think both are ARM-based Jul 09 17:51:38 It depends which ARM version they target. Jul 09 17:52:30 But yes, I was able to run a very small "hello world" executable when ssh'd into my pre that was built for android. I wouldn't bet the farm on it though. Jul 09 17:53:31 Yeah Jul 09 17:53:44 Well, when I try and skip compiling this framework ... Jul 09 17:53:47 "nme.ndll" Jul 09 17:54:12 I tried using the Android one, but when I tried linking it it gave me that "undefined reference to main" error Jul 09 17:54:26 Well, linking with the compiler Jul 09 17:54:44 But if its built to be a dynamic shared library, I probably shouldn't statically link it? Jul 09 17:55:08 When you link a library use ar instead of gcc to do it. You then have to do ranlib on the newly linked lib. Jul 09 17:56:01 This is truly the information superhighway... I-64 in Illinois Jul 09 17:56:29 This is what my build system outputs when building my physics test. You can see it building the chipmunk library and linking it before compiling the main program. http://gist.github.com/469776 Jul 09 18:00:11 Hmm ... maybe the Android file isn't so bad after all Jul 09 18:00:28 I just tested it again. I renamed it from libnme.so to nme.ndll, like its looking for Jul 09 18:00:40 I changed LD_LIBRARY_PATH so my app could find it Jul 09 18:00:48 anybody want to critique my mockup for a scene for creating a custom list in Done? Jul 09 18:00:54 strace suggests it opened it, loaded it, and now it's looking for libc.so Jul 09 18:01:20 Is that a dependency the library could be asking for? Or could it be that now that I changed LD_LIBRARY_PATH, it can't find other libraries it found before? Jul 09 18:04:22 Okay, nevermind. I see now that it looked for libc.so in two locations, then found it in the third Jul 09 18:04:25 Thanks for all the help Jul 09 18:04:25 hi Jul 09 18:04:30 yo. Jul 09 18:06:23 is it possible for phones to communicate as 2 way radios without any coverage? Jul 09 18:06:45 My instinct says no Jul 09 18:06:50 my brain says... well.... Jul 09 18:07:04 Hey everybody Jul 09 18:07:12 Don't mind me, just watching Dragonball Z Jul 09 18:07:12 it seems like it should be possible Jul 09 18:07:59 a walkie-talkie app for when ur in the woods with no coverage Jul 09 18:08:35 BigBiff: how would that work? Jul 09 18:08:44 if you had control of the radios at a low enough level... do they send and receive on the same frequency? if not, you would need to set them up to listen on the same as the other sends and vice versa Jul 09 18:08:48 I don't know Jul 09 18:09:01 right Jul 09 18:09:03 i'd say a wi-fi hotspot might kinda work, but range would be pointless Jul 09 18:09:06 You'd need the ability for them to discover each other via wifi Jul 09 18:09:29 I mean just using the radios Jul 09 18:09:52 ud need coverage for a few hundred yards Jul 09 18:09:58 neh... I don't think that's what he's after... wifi goes what? like 100 meters at the very very most? and using that much power would drain the battery in 20 minutes Jul 09 18:10:02 you'd have to write a new protocol that sits JUST on top of the radios Jul 09 18:10:13 and by radio I assume you mean cellular radio Jul 09 18:10:27 wifi range would be shite in the woods Jul 09 18:10:40 ya, I don't know what I mean Jul 09 18:10:47 the signals are digital, right? I don't think that the frequency is suitable for sending and receiving straight voice wavelengths like fm or am Jul 09 18:11:17 * BigBiff just got back from camping and could have used a radio Jul 09 18:11:29 walkie-talkie, rather Jul 09 18:11:42 so you would need to encode/decode the signal as well... unless you talked the hardware that takes care of that for normal comms into handling it (IF it's hardware and not software that does it) Jul 09 18:12:12 hmmm... that's a very interesting question that you pose Jul 09 18:12:52 Isn't it possible to run a Pre like a router, with the right software? Jul 09 18:12:56 I mean, basic walkie-talkies are super cheap and small nowadays Jul 09 18:13:00 mobile hotspot Jul 09 18:13:11 So you could try and ad-hoc and text each other from 50 feet away Jul 09 18:13:20 appamajig: yes Jul 09 18:13:22 if you could make an app that does that... you'd sell it like crazy! people would love it and eat it up Jul 09 18:13:46 Right now I'm just feeling the pain of being a pioneer Jul 09 18:13:50 codeslaw: thx a lot Jul 09 18:13:52 that was meant for elyon: yes Jul 09 18:13:54 ya, I'd pay for that for sure Jul 09 18:14:02 MetaView: will that work? Jul 09 18:14:12 but I'm pretty much positive that we don't have access to the APIs that could even start to do that... and I could be wrong, but I don't think that the cell phones are capable of changing frequencies to any real degree Jul 09 18:14:17 I attempt to build a simple app, but it requires a compiled library. There's no compiled library for Palm, so I need to compile it Jul 09 18:14:33 I try to compile it, and then I need SDL libraries, which I also don't have, because no one else has it compiled for Palm Jul 09 18:14:41 Well, or I don't know where to find it :) Jul 09 18:14:42 I guess, just copy it, but need to care for the childs before Jul 09 18:14:58 and I imagine the carriers would not appreciate a radio app Jul 09 18:15:08 elyon: which libs? Jul 09 18:15:28 they may or may not... they might worry about listening in on other people conversations... hmmm, I bet it's all lightly encrypted Jul 09 18:15:45 interesting Jul 09 18:15:53 libSDL, libSDL_image, libSDL_mixer, libSDL_ttf, libfreetype, libjpeg, libogg, libpng, libsmpeg, libvorbis, libz Jul 09 18:16:36 but there is SDL, SDL_image, SDL_mixer, SDL_ttf Jul 09 18:16:37 or zlib, I mean, not libz Jul 09 18:16:48 if you had access at a low enough level to send and receieve to another phone, purposely, and to be able to talk walkie-talkie style, it's a hop and skip away from picking up other people's conversations in the area I would think Jul 09 18:17:16 appamajig: which I'm sure other people would pay handsomely for as well Jul 09 18:17:41 oh yeah, and for which OTHER people would sue for :P Jul 09 18:17:41 well, just like a cb or any 2 way radio... Jul 09 18:18:00 you know what you are getting Jul 09 18:18:09 well... those work in the megahertz, and cellphones work in gigahertz (3G igahertz I believe) Jul 09 18:18:20 oh, I see your point though Jul 09 18:18:23 ud just have to be able to switch back and forth Jul 09 18:19:03 MetaView: Is this standard stuff which should be on the phone, so I need to find a way to get it to link without getting upset, or is this stuff I need to link, and I need to go out and find the sources to compile, or find someone who has already compiled these libraries for the Pre/Pixi? Jul 09 18:20:53 Wow, I hope these bugs are fixed in 1.4.5.1 Jul 09 18:21:07 I doctored my phone to 1.4.5 for PDK development, and I've run into two bad bugs Jul 09 18:21:17 I'm sure it probably will be fine Jul 09 18:21:33 stay positive Jul 09 18:22:04 My GPS whacked out, and first it set my position about fifty feet off. Driving the freeway, that meant it was constantly putting me on different streets Jul 09 18:22:10 Then I restarted, and my GPS wasn't available Jul 09 18:22:18 Now whenever I call people, it has me put on headset Jul 09 18:22:26 So I can't talk without being on speaker phone :S Jul 09 18:22:39 ... but!! it's a developer release, not a public release Jul 09 18:23:05 I guess I'll listen more closely when they suggest not to put this on your working phone :) Jul 09 18:23:20 But by the time 1.4.5.1 comes out, I don't think I'll need to have a dev OS install Jul 09 18:23:29 Since I'll be able to test the PDK with the standard OS Jul 09 18:27:44 * elyon still wishes webOS-info were still around Jul 09 18:28:39 hello all. I have a quick question if anyone can answer it. Is there a way to root into the Pre and look at app source code? Jul 09 18:28:47 yes Jul 09 18:28:59 mojo app source, yes Jul 09 18:29:30 not pdk/sdl apps Jul 09 18:29:32 I was referring to actual webOS (pre-built in) apps Jul 09 18:29:42 they're all mojo, so yeah Jul 09 18:29:44 yes Jul 09 18:30:14 this is news to me too Jul 09 18:30:20 oh I thought you meant something else. Anyone know how to then visually? Jul 09 18:30:21 they are included in the sdk... Jul 09 18:30:28 or you could pull the rootfs out of the doctor and view the source on your pc Jul 09 18:30:32 Tibfib: Not all of them... Jul 09 18:30:47 novaterm to device, vi whatever you want Jul 09 18:30:56 Eddie25: alright, just making sure you knew some where there Jul 09 18:30:57 were* Jul 09 18:31:00 oilsworkn: Good suggestion. Jul 09 18:31:17 * oilsworkn has those sometimes Jul 09 18:31:35 and this works for, say, the mail app? Jul 09 18:31:43 yeah Jul 09 18:31:47 all Mojo apps Jul 09 18:31:55 how do you think people make patches? Jul 09 18:32:00 by editing the source on the device :) Jul 09 18:32:05 lucky guesses Jul 09 18:32:10 lol Jul 09 18:32:15 lmao Jul 09 18:32:22 hahaha Jul 09 18:32:44 So you can novaterm and see this visually on your PC? Jul 09 18:32:48 * oilsworkn has a mental image of sugardave writing all the 123 @@ +++ --- lines in a patch my hand Jul 09 18:32:56 well, you can use vi in the terminal Jul 09 18:33:03 visually see the source Jul 09 18:33:05 lol Jul 09 18:33:17 oilsworkn: that's scary Jul 09 18:33:17 lol oil you know what I mean Jul 09 18:33:28 no i dont Jul 09 18:33:39 novaterm is like ssh-ing into the phone Jul 09 18:33:54 without all the pesky who are you and what's your password questions Jul 09 18:34:52 and vi? First I've heard about vi so forgive me if it sounds like a silly question Jul 09 18:35:09 oh Jul 09 18:35:10 vi is like notepad for linux Jul 09 18:35:16 with crazy key commands to do everything Jul 09 18:35:17 yeah, it's a text editor Jul 09 18:35:32 Eddie25: know much Linux? Jul 09 18:35:34 ahhh gotcha Jul 09 18:35:55 sugardave: Not too much, but I have been an on and off Linux user for a few years now Jul 09 18:36:16 oh okay, find yourself a vi cheatsheet and you should be good to go Jul 09 18:36:23 like cd /; rm -rf * Jul 09 18:36:26 on and off w/o using vi? :/ Jul 09 18:36:34 oilsworkn: naughty Jul 09 18:36:35 eddie: all the palm apps come as source code with the SDK and you're allowed to use them Jul 09 18:36:36 oilsworkn: bad oil Jul 09 18:36:57 Eddie25: how much linux playing have you done? Jul 09 18:36:57 swisstomcat: I was referring to more apps than those and actual inner workings. Jul 09 18:37:13 example? Jul 09 18:37:36 HattCzech_work: Well, I'd say more than the average user, but not enough to be anywhere near expert. Jul 09 18:37:51 swisstomcat: E-Mail app, universal search code, etc. Jul 09 18:38:08 email app and universal search are in different spots Jul 09 18:38:27 oilworkn: "like cd /; rm -rf *" what were you comparing those commands to? Jul 09 18:38:37 * oilsworkn was just kidding Jul 09 18:38:47 Eddie25: download a webos doctor and use 7zip to find the scr Jul 09 18:38:48 Eddie25: don't run that Jul 09 18:38:53 /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/refcode/applications/email Jul 09 18:38:55 oilsworkn: oh k lol Jul 09 18:39:27 sugardave: lol I'm not. I know what they are Jul 09 18:40:14 swisstomcat: I don't have that in my Windows version Jul 09 18:40:24 yeah, its not Jul 09 18:40:26 oh, it's different there Jul 09 18:40:35 c:\program files\palm... something Jul 09 18:40:39 mine is C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\share\refcode\webos-applications\email Jul 09 18:41:01 with 1.4.1 sdk Jul 09 18:41:05 /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher is where universal search is (its actually part of the launcher) Jul 09 18:41:36 Tibfib: oh well damn. Thanks. I didn't even see that. Jul 09 18:41:41 /usr/palm/applications/ is where all the built-in apps are Jul 09 18:41:47 Wait, so how do you unzip a doctor file? Jul 09 18:41:55 open it up with 7zip Jul 09 18:41:56 magic Jul 09 18:41:59 or magic Jul 09 18:42:05 You said to use 7zip, but do you need to define an extension? Jul 09 18:42:10 Or does it automatically know how to open it? Jul 09 18:42:16 it automatically knows Jul 09 18:42:23 magic Jul 09 18:42:24 7zip is magic Jul 09 18:42:24 the trick is finding the src you care about Jul 09 18:42:26 lol Jul 09 18:42:29 that's because 7zip uses magic Jul 09 18:42:34 oilsworkn: Yea. I was wondering, can I see those folders inside of the phone visually (folder view) without having to know the exact location? if vi is still the answer than I'll go ahead and do that Jul 09 18:42:36 yeah, you extract the .jar Jul 09 18:42:38 then a webos.tar file Jul 09 18:42:44 7zip was forged by the gods Jul 09 18:42:47 then the rootfs.tar file in there is the rootfs of the file Jul 09 18:42:51 of the device* Jul 09 18:43:13 awesome! Jul 09 18:43:14 Eddie25: i think the pdk comes with a tree-structure-type folder viewer Jul 09 18:43:27 Yeah, the SDK contains a lot of the source code Jul 09 18:43:30 though ive never used it Jul 09 18:43:42 This is cool, though! Because there's a couple of apps which have graphics I'd like to reuse Jul 09 18:43:54 which ones? Jul 09 18:44:17 I love that palm included a lot of the apps Jul 09 18:44:22 oilsworkn: hmm. I'll have to look into that. Thanks. I'll download the PDK tonight. Otherwise, there isn't a way right now to just root into it somehow and see the folders through another program or anything? Jul 09 18:44:33 hmm Jul 09 18:44:34 you could scp Jul 09 18:44:37 there i Jul 09 18:44:38 s Jul 09 18:44:44 and use a a ftp program to see folder structure Jul 09 18:44:49 I don't remember, like "web" Jul 09 18:44:54 er something like that Jul 09 18:44:55 but you need to get dropbear/openssh running Jul 09 18:44:58 you can use the terminal app to get to the folders on device Jul 09 18:44:58 yeah Jul 09 18:45:03 and move it to usb Jul 09 18:45:08 which I know is basically a function of the OS, not so much an app Jul 09 18:45:09 which is like 2 taps in preware Jul 09 18:45:10 scp? Jul 09 18:45:10 lol Jul 09 18:45:20 secure.. copy... protocol? Jul 09 18:45:21 how do you do "dir" in the command line? Jul 09 18:45:22 maybe Jul 09 18:45:24 lol Jul 09 18:45:26 dir? Jul 09 18:45:27 wait...dropbear openssh allows me to see it visually on my pc? Jul 09 18:45:28 ls! Jul 09 18:45:35 Eddie25: I think the easiest thing would be downloading a doctor... Jul 09 18:45:45 yeah dir = windows Jul 09 18:45:54 ls is also visual :) Jul 09 18:45:55 lol! dir! oh my god it's been so long since i typed dir anywhere Jul 09 18:45:59 Tibfib: no I hear ya. I'm going to, but I'd just like ot know a way Jul 09 18:46:01 ls -a gives everything files and directories Jul 09 18:46:03 oilsworkn: gotcha Jul 09 18:46:07 though you could always alias dir=`ls` Jul 09 18:46:08 Or is there a way I can get it from the doctor files? Jul 09 18:46:08 xD Jul 09 18:46:15 I have it extracted, but I don't see the OS image Jul 09 18:46:25 ewwww Jul 09 18:46:27 there is a spot in the sdk for approved ui elements you can use Jul 09 18:46:27 elyon: keep looking, I remember it being tricky to find Jul 09 18:46:30 dir needs to die Jul 09 18:46:30 you extracted the .jar? Jul 09 18:46:40 taking from their apps could result in you not making it into the catalog Jul 09 18:46:41 there is a tar inside it you gotta extract Jul 09 18:46:53 and a tar inside that tar you gotta extract Jul 09 18:46:54 dir works fine in windows Jul 09 18:47:02 I'll go ahead and try scp and ftp in there tonight. Thanks guys. Gotta head out now. Jul 09 18:47:11 lol Jul 09 18:47:25 Eddie25: to get scp to work, you have to install dropbear or openssh on the phone Jul 09 18:47:25 Nevermind, I think I may have found it Jul 09 18:47:27 webos.tar Jul 09 18:47:49 and there was some other crap I had to do to make winscp work Jul 09 18:47:50 sugardave: oh aight. That's what you meant. I'll go ahead and do that. Thank you. Jul 09 18:47:50 yeah, inside that there will be a rootfs.tar or something like that Jul 09 18:48:05 sugardave: well, you need to setup your authorized_keys Jul 09 18:48:19 oilsworkn: You referring to elyon's question? Jul 09 18:48:37 i dont know Jul 09 18:48:41 oilsworkn: After the dropbear or openssh installation? Jul 09 18:48:50 Sweet action! Jul 09 18:48:52 * oilsworkn is lost Jul 09 18:48:53 lol Jul 09 18:48:57 oilsworkn: no there was something else...I think I had to change to sftp instead...it kept trying to get some group info from a command that didn't exist on the phone Jul 09 18:49:08 I wish they had a graphic of that circle icon background Jul 09 18:49:11 That would be nice Jul 09 18:49:49 circle icon background? Jul 09 18:50:10 hold up. Now i'm lost Jul 09 18:50:31 the semi-translucent one like in the messaging icon? Jul 09 18:50:35 I'm installing dropbear or openssh, then scp and ftping right? Jul 09 18:50:39 elyon: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Mojo_Design_Circle_Back.png Jul 09 18:50:50 BAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Jul 09 18:50:57 sorry... I am hungry gotta run Jul 09 18:51:00 Eddie25: openssh, then scp Jul 09 18:51:04 bbl Jul 09 18:51:22 k Jul 09 18:51:25 thank you guys Jul 09 18:51:30 def gotta head out now Jul 09 18:51:43 cu Jul 09 18:51:45 I can swear that I had a dream for a new webOS app idea, but now I cannot remember what it was. :( Jul 09 18:51:53 I'll be back tonight :). Seems like a cool chanel to hang out in Jul 09 18:51:55 Awesome Jul 09 18:51:56 bye Eddie25 Jul 09 18:52:02 For example, I wanted to use the history and bookmark icons Jul 09 18:52:03 dkirker: write it down next time :D Jul 09 18:52:03 dkirker: put a notepad next to your bed for midnight note taking :) Jul 09 18:52:05 Now I have them! Jul 09 18:52:08 :) Jul 09 18:52:10 dkirker: no no, it was my app idea, and you were backing me Jul 09 18:52:16 oilworkn: hahaha same idea Jul 09 18:52:16 someone should make a voice recorder Jul 09 18:52:19 Eddie25: You're always welcome to hang out here Jul 09 18:52:20 hehe Jul 09 18:52:21 dkirker - you need a brain wave monitor to record your thoughts... er something like that Jul 09 18:52:28 dkirker: thanks later all! Jul 09 18:52:29 maybe that was the app! Jul 09 18:52:33 zsoc: yes, someone should Jul 09 18:52:34 zsoc: yeah, one that doesn't suck ;P Jul 09 18:52:37 CTLAdvance: I like that idea! Jul 09 18:52:46 oilsworkn: that's what the Pre is for. :D Jul 09 18:52:54 this one guy made a voice recorder thing, but it sucked Jul 09 18:52:58 at least its icon was sexy Jul 09 18:53:04 swisstomcat: big words from a europeon Jul 09 18:53:05 We need one that will generate the app based on our thoughts, add ui elements, ajax calls etc Jul 09 18:53:19 lol Jul 09 18:53:29 oilsworkn: ok, now I need to see this icon. :) Jul 09 18:53:47 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_WebOSInternals_PrecorderNew.png Jul 09 18:53:48 anyone seen dwimbe? Jul 09 18:54:00 nope Jul 09 18:54:07 well it looks crapy on white bg Jul 09 18:54:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Jul 09 18:54:15 its in that list Jul 09 18:54:20 oilsworkn: ah yes, that one. I thought that it was funny. Jul 09 18:57:16 * oilsworkn goes to lunch Jul 09 18:59:29 So was wIRC being added to the official catalog? Jul 09 18:59:56 I'm too lazy to install Preware again, but it would be fun to have chat on my phone Jul 09 19:00:03 install.preware.org Jul 09 19:00:11 otherwise you'll have to wait till palm starts accepting hyrbid apps Jul 09 19:00:21 elyon: it's going to be a while Jul 09 19:00:27 I see. Jul 09 19:00:40 Oh, so it's SDK/PDK, so that's why it isn't in the catalog yet? Jul 09 19:00:52 yep Jul 09 19:01:37 I see. Well, maybe I'll install it again Jul 09 19:01:49 You know, things like overclocking are tempting ... Jul 09 19:02:00 But if I'm developing apps for the average joe, I need to be using it the same way he is Jul 09 19:02:19 hi all! Jul 09 19:02:24 Just like I've had trouble lately because of some core bugs with the WebView widget and the Pixi Jul 09 19:02:38 It honestly isn't possible to recreate the bugs without borrowing my wife's phone Jul 09 19:02:42 :) Jul 09 19:02:49 damn it, I need palm to hurry up and do something about the blasted microphone... I am really interested to see what is the slow down -- political or technical? Then I can release an alpha or beta. Jul 09 19:02:53 hi JenP! Jul 09 19:03:03 dkirker! Jul 09 19:03:10 * halfhalo_class has subway Jul 09 19:03:14 LOOK! A PUPPY!!! Jul 09 19:03:20 PUPPIES!!! Jul 09 19:03:27 WHERE?! Jul 09 19:03:30 OH GOD THEIR KILLNG ME Jul 09 19:03:31 I WANT A PUPPY! Jul 09 19:03:32 quiznos >>> subway Jul 09 19:03:32 HERE! Jul 09 19:03:37 Tibfib: agreed! Jul 09 19:03:38 BLARG Jul 09 19:03:41 (where's webOS-info when you need him?) Jul 09 19:03:43 GIMMIE THE PUPPY!!! Jul 09 19:03:47 JenP! Jul 09 19:03:53 gahhhhh.... Jul 09 19:03:58 Hi kesne! Jul 09 19:04:02 25 cents short of a coke Jul 09 19:04:02 elyon: what webview/pixi bugs? Jul 09 19:04:06 JenP: Hows life? Jul 09 19:04:06 * Tibfib went to quiznos yesterday. might go again today Jul 09 19:04:15 hi JenP Jul 09 19:04:24 Very nice.....Hi sugardave! Jul 09 19:04:29 i miss the quiznos dead rat commercial Jul 09 19:04:32 * halfhalo_class waljed 20 feet to subway Jul 09 19:04:51 WHOA, GOKU JUST DID 10,000 CRAZY HANDSTAND PUSHUPS! Jul 09 19:05:00 that's over 9000 Jul 09 19:05:03 JenP! Jul 09 19:05:06 barely Jul 09 19:05:13 EmmettLollis!! Jul 09 19:05:14 Yes, it is Jul 09 19:05:19 :D Jul 09 19:05:25 I have a problem with the over 9000 thing though Jul 09 19:05:32 Because that's a pretty weak power level Jul 09 19:05:42 I mean Vegeta's was around 18,000 Jul 09 19:05:55 I seriously don't even know what that means Jul 09 19:05:56 And Frieza's power level is 120,000,000 Jul 09 19:06:13 sugardave: watch Dragonball Z Jul 09 19:06:27 I'm afraid I can't do that Jul 09 19:06:34 why not? Jul 09 19:06:43 * BigBiff is still waiting on a walkie app Jul 09 19:06:46 I don't watch much tv/movies Jul 09 19:06:49 chop chop Jul 09 19:06:51 Sweet! Jul 09 19:06:55 i don't have a TV Jul 09 19:06:59 Nevermind webOS Quick Install Jul 09 19:07:08 I hadn't realized before that you could install it from the command line Jul 09 19:07:16 :O Jul 09 19:07:20 I don't mind installing Preware when it's that easy Jul 09 19:07:25 Anybody want to write a description for my app? Jul 09 19:07:44 "This is worst app ever. But it. Now." Jul 09 19:07:45 done Jul 09 19:07:46 here's the plotline of DragonBall Z, for anyone who hasn't seen it Jul 09 19:07:50 Buy it Jul 09 19:07:53 oops Jul 09 19:07:56 "Let's go find DragonBalls, so we can make a wish!" Jul 09 19:08:00 but it now heh Jul 09 19:08:02 "Dooo dee doo ... found some!!" Jul 09 19:08:16 "I'll go train in outer space while you guys look, so I can get my power level up" Jul 09 19:08:20 "Doo dee dooo": Jul 09 19:08:30 TADN has great marketing Jul 09 19:08:32 "Oh no! Someone from outer space to terrorize us!" Jul 09 19:08:40 "HAHA ... you cannot beat me!" Jul 09 19:08:51 "Quick! Get that guy back from outer space! FAST!" Jul 09 19:09:11 "I will fight you, one by one. Every time we trade blows, we will float in the air and talk for a long time" Jul 09 19:09:34 "Then we will trade blows again, and the camera will watch each of your friends, one by one, as they make "UGGH!!!" faces at our exchange" Jul 09 19:09:35 elyon: Not even close Jul 09 19:09:44 elyon: have you seen it? Jul 09 19:09:51 Elyon's pretty much exactly right. Jul 09 19:10:00 heh Jul 09 19:10:06 "We will repeat this until we have gone through every one of you. Then your champion will return from space, and defeat me in 16 episodes of fighting. And by fighting, I mostly mean talking" Jul 09 19:10:16 there is a call to let the device screen on Jul 09 19:10:24 i'm glad i don't have to watch that :) Jul 09 19:10:28 "Then you will hunt for dragonballs again, raise him to life, and the process will start again with the next evil man from outer space" Jul 09 19:10:37 does it also keep the device from going idle? Jul 09 19:10:43 idle/dooze? Jul 09 19:10:46 Don't get me wrong, I think the idea of it (and sometimes the show) is cool ... Jul 09 19:10:49 kesne: You're a fan, so you see more subtlety, but that _is_ what it looks like to non-fans. Jul 09 19:11:06 But what got me was when I watched an episode that started with, I think it was, Goku and whoever the bad guy was Jul 09 19:11:10 And they were blasting each other Jul 09 19:11:11 I hate all of you guys Jul 09 19:11:17 back in the day, I liked dragonball z Jul 09 19:11:19 And the episode started that way, and ended that way Jul 09 19:11:27 none of the spinoff crap or the new one tho Jul 09 19:11:32 "Oh, no, ! he's going to lose it (same almost loosing it animation)" Jul 09 19:11:37 Then it would go back to the middle. Jul 09 19:11:41 And they'd talk more :) Jul 09 19:11:52 25 minutes of them being in a deadlock, reusing the same animation Jul 09 19:11:54 Oh yeah, well I bet my apps are more popular than yours! Jul 09 19:12:04 elyon: not even close Jul 09 19:12:09 Hah, I'm not seriously trying to knock anyone who likes the show Jul 09 19:12:10 i bet I have more bullets than you! /win Jul 09 19:12:25 I hope you can tell I'm being a little more sarcastic than wholly realistic Jul 09 19:12:29 elyon: watch DBZ kai, they cut out all the filler Jul 09 19:12:37 anyone knows the answer of MY question? Jul 09 19:12:59 Well, maybe so. The stuff they used to play had way too much filler to be fun. I'd get into it, then they'd float and talk again Jul 09 19:13:01 * Tibfib needs more space on his pre Jul 09 19:13:01 ;) Jul 09 19:13:02 I has mah soda. I be happeh Jul 09 19:13:13 (sound of a few people scrolling back) Jul 09 19:13:18 MetaView: We're too focused on DBZ Jul 09 19:13:28 * halfhalo_class scrolls forward... into the FUTURE! Jul 09 19:13:29 MetaView: are you asking if keeping the screen on keeps the device from idling (i.e. dimming the screen again)? Jul 09 19:13:52 kesne: What apps have you made, btw? Jul 09 19:14:05 kesne has made all of the apps Jul 09 19:14:11 ever Jul 09 19:14:12 sugardave: yes Jul 09 19:14:17 except the cool ones Jul 09 19:14:19 It's nice that Preware doesnloads its feeds faster now. It used to take forever Jul 09 19:14:28 even preware? Jul 09 19:14:42 Even Email, Messaging and Music Jul 09 19:14:54 even the kernel? Jul 09 19:15:02 MetaView: I think that's its purpose...Yule Log has an option to, I quote "Keep the Yule Log burnin'" and it keeps the screen on forever* Jul 09 19:15:03 that's not really an app Jul 09 19:15:08 I work for Brighthouse Labs Jul 09 19:15:10 sugardave: I wonder how I can "keep screen on" get together with "no dooze" Jul 09 19:15:11 *forever defined as how long the app runs Jul 09 19:15:15 And the whole rest of the ear of corn, too Jul 09 19:15:27 For real? Jul 09 19:15:32 kense, I will hunt you down and kill you Jul 09 19:15:35 ah, finally .. brighthouse labs is revealed Jul 09 19:15:36 Hehe Jul 09 19:15:38 Kidding Jul 09 19:15:39 :P Jul 09 19:15:45 I own Keen Studios Jul 09 19:15:48 We make checkers Jul 09 19:15:52 Ah. Jul 09 19:15:56 I ROUGHLY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE! Jul 09 19:15:56 Well I work for AppBookShop Jul 09 19:16:05 350,000+ app downloads Jul 09 19:16:08 arrrr! Jul 09 19:16:12 I live in Tigard Oregon Jul 09 19:16:16 Ah, okay Jul 09 19:16:19 Used to live in Portland Jul 09 19:16:22 If you want my address, a google search will to Jul 09 19:16:25 I hate portland Jul 09 19:16:26 Bleh Jul 09 19:16:29 We moved Jul 09 19:16:34 MetaView: I'm not familiar with the no doze option, I guess...what is different about it and the "don't shut off the screen" thing? Jul 09 19:16:39 socal ftw Jul 09 19:16:55 Well, Sellwood was kind of fun, but I wouldn't have wanted to live in the middle of SE Jul 09 19:17:03 sugardave: I already have the no dooze option, which still makes the screen goes off Jul 09 19:17:12 Oh no, the Grand Elder on Namek is about to die! Jul 09 19:17:13 but the device is still on and so is GPS Jul 09 19:17:33 no one ever dies in that show. They just go to a better place Jul 09 19:17:34 literally Jul 09 19:17:39 with clouds and shit Jul 09 19:17:39 So what's better, Pound IRC or wIRC? Jul 09 19:17:51 Or they come back to live when they find all the dragonballs Jul 09 19:17:54 wIRC Jul 09 19:17:55 life Jul 09 19:17:56 WIRC Jul 09 19:17:57 wIRC!!!! (never tried pound...) Jul 09 19:18:11 as much as I bash wirc, its a great app Jul 09 19:18:14 Is it okay with battery life and such? Jul 09 19:18:23 not really Jul 09 19:18:27 WHat is pound IRC? Jul 09 19:18:35 although I haven't used it in a while to be honest Jul 09 19:18:35 irc in a dog pound Jul 09 19:18:39 It's another IRC app in Preware Jul 09 19:18:51 Any other apps on Preware worth installing? (not patches) Jul 09 19:18:56 Who uses IRC on their webos device? Jul 09 19:19:03 I WILL! Jul 09 19:19:04 Most people here.... Jul 09 19:19:11 Well, we'll see Jul 09 19:19:19 I wouldn't be able to type so many rants so quickly Jul 09 19:19:28 My RPM's would go way down Jul 09 19:19:28 elyon: yes Jul 09 19:20:13 I kind of only user IRC for this development channel... and I don't develop on my pre so I don't use wIRC much Jul 09 19:20:33 I use it for this and internals Jul 09 19:20:36 lol, just found the "teen repelent" app Jul 09 19:20:53 elyon: uberkernel, govnah, save/restore Jul 09 19:20:55 I hang out in internals, don't really talk much Jul 09 19:21:18 Awwwww Jul 09 19:21:26 the geoip thing is broken Jul 09 19:21:35 MetaView: it sounds like you just need to modify whatever does the no doze option to also call the code to keep the screen on....I feel like I'm missing something Jul 09 19:21:38 for both swisstomcat and pygi.... Jul 09 19:21:39 I'm up to 14,000 users, so I guess that's more popular than checkers. Jul 09 19:21:51 sugardave: yes, yes Jul 09 19:22:00 If you multiple by 20, I suppose Jul 09 19:22:08 what is broken? Jul 09 19:22:08 elyon: which game? Jul 09 19:22:14 Oh, I made Bible Reader Jul 09 19:22:26 The reason I haven't made games is because we still don't have Flash Jul 09 19:22:27 "swisstomcat is in null, Switzerland" Jul 09 19:22:29 bible reader... comes just after tip calculator Jul 09 19:22:38 So I'm thick in the middle of trying to get haXe to run Jul 09 19:22:44 halfhalo: country is right :=) Jul 09 19:22:54 On what ... the what's new list? The total download list? Jul 09 19:23:11 Or on the MetaView list? Jul 09 19:23:14 hey, null is a great place to live Jul 09 19:23:25 /dev/null Jul 09 19:23:27 in my list of apps I never need Jul 09 19:23:30 yeah, dunno if the lat and long is right, since the demo thing im running only is showing city and country Jul 09 19:23:32 Ah, okay Jul 09 19:23:42 Well we all know that everyone needs checkers :) Jul 09 19:23:47 And some people need Bible Reader :) Jul 09 19:23:57 anyway :) Jul 09 19:24:01 So, to each their own :) Jul 09 19:24:11 could you get any progress with your SDL lib stuff? Jul 09 19:24:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lqla0b8NFg Jul 09 19:24:21 Well, I decided to post on the forums again Jul 09 19:24:44 Since I'm missing what appear to be standard libraries now, I figured that if I posted on the forums, someone at Palm (or elsewhere) might have them compiled already Jul 09 19:24:56 Rather than going out and trying to compile a bunch of SDL libraries myself Jul 09 19:25:11 Hopefully, if that works, then I'll be able to compile my framework library Jul 09 19:25:19 And hopefully if that works, I'll be able to compile my application Jul 09 19:25:24 and IF THAT WORKS! Jul 09 19:25:43 I'll be able to use physics, 3D, graphics, sound ... with little to no sweat! Jul 09 19:25:44 but some of the libs already there Jul 09 19:25:46 So that's cool Jul 09 19:26:00 but as dyn libs Jul 09 19:26:09 you might not link correctly Jul 09 19:26:16 Well, I've added references to the PDK libs, but the linker still is tripping up over a few missing things Jul 09 19:26:20 TTF_ stuff Jul 09 19:26:23 Mix_ stuff Jul 09 19:26:35 FT_ a couple times Jul 09 19:26:43 FT, yes this is freetype Jul 09 19:26:49 it's not part of the libs Jul 09 19:27:03 you will need to port it, should work, even worked on old Palm OS Jul 09 19:27:06 So it isn't getting upset about a lot of other stuff, so I suppose that's working alright Jul 09 19:27:13 SDL_TTF is part of the libs Jul 09 19:27:33 maybe some other versions? Jul 09 19:27:34 TTF_FontHeight Jul 09 19:27:37 TTF_FontAscent Jul 09 19:27:40 Stuff like that Jul 09 19:27:46 you might just provide your own functions for it Jul 09 19:27:56 if they aren't provided Jul 09 19:28:05 Well, I don't want to botch it up, because I'm sure I'll need that Jul 09 19:28:08 FontHeight, is the height you used for the font to load Jul 09 19:28:38 when I do var text:TextField = new TextField (); text.text = "Hello World"; I'm going to want it to show up :) Jul 09 19:28:41 when is deactivate called? Jul 09 19:28:54 Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of my hello world app Jul 09 19:28:58 before scene minimize Jul 09 19:28:59 When you push another scene on top of it Jul 09 19:29:09 Or when you pop off the scene Jul 09 19:29:14 Does it happen when it minimizes? Jul 09 19:29:16 sugardave: and not if a new scene is pushed on the stack? Jul 09 19:29:23 no it is then, too Jul 09 19:29:29 ok Jul 09 19:29:30 the current scene is "minimized" Jul 09 19:29:35 Oh, right Jul 09 19:29:36 and the new scene pushed Jul 09 19:29:46 it is also called on scene pop Jul 09 19:29:47 The thing that bugged me a bit was that it doesn't call activate when you focus a scene Jul 09 19:29:50 before cleanup Jul 09 19:29:50 stage, I mean Jul 09 19:30:00 although I don't know if it is called when the app is minimized Jul 09 19:30:06 I don't think it is Jul 09 19:30:07 So if you run multiple stages, then switch between them, it doesn't call activate when you go back to the other scene Jul 09 19:30:12 Or, I think it didn't Jul 09 19:30:13 nope Jul 09 19:30:18 I forget. Anyway :) Jul 09 19:30:20 you have to listen to stage activate/deactivate Jul 09 19:30:20 interesting Jul 09 19:30:27 I haven't done multi-stage yet Jul 09 19:30:33 Yeah, maybe it calls stage activate, but not scene activate Jul 09 19:30:38 * sugardave is a simple person. Jul 09 19:30:39 Because it's already active on the stage Jul 09 19:31:01 Multi-stage can be fun Jul 09 19:31:18 Bible Reader is very multi-stage. You can open a lot of cards if you want to Jul 09 19:31:31 Well, the new version is. Jul 09 19:31:44 I think the version on the app catalog doesn't work that way Jul 09 19:32:51 r u sure? Jul 09 19:33:59 Uh oh... Jul 09 19:35:16 I sometimes run into problems when I try and submit a new version of both Bible Reader and Bible Reader Plus Jul 09 19:35:33 In this instance, Bible Reader Plus went through okay. It actually got updated twice, and Bible Reader was still on hold Jul 09 19:35:47 So Bible Reader is 1.3.2, and Bible Reader Plus is 1.4.4 or something Jul 09 19:36:08 So I just canceled my submission for Bible Reader, and I'll have to submit again using the same codebase as Bible Reader Plus 1.4.4 Jul 09 19:41:30 Submitting new app Jul 09 19:41:33 Do da do do Jul 09 19:42:20 what is the new app? Jul 09 19:42:35 FUUUUUUUU!!! Jul 09 19:42:37 bot!!!!! Jul 09 19:42:54 bot-fuuuuuu!!!!! Jul 09 19:43:18 LOOK! A PUPPY! Jul 09 19:43:23 wait. this bot seems....suspicious. Jul 09 19:43:26 and so it begins Jul 09 19:43:32 It's a game Jul 09 19:43:48 * MetaView tries out blockscreentimeout... Jul 09 19:44:09 PUPPY! Jul 09 19:44:25 !kick webOS-info Jul 09 19:44:39 I'm sorry, I can't do that. Jul 09 19:44:42 :) Jul 09 19:44:51 webOS-info! Jul 09 19:44:54 HE'S BACK! Jul 09 19:44:59 webos-info: kesne Jul 09 19:45:12 Uh oh Jul 09 19:45:24 kesne is the most popular webOS developer in the world. Jul 09 19:45:31 haha Jul 09 19:45:33 :D Jul 09 19:45:38 webOS-info: metaview Jul 09 19:45:45 webOS-info isn't a bot though D: Jul 09 19:45:52 webos-info: graph Jul 09 19:45:57 webOS-info: Joshua Jul 09 19:46:04 MetaView: Main screen turn on Jul 09 19:46:27 You have no chance to survive, make your time Jul 09 19:46:46 make a time? 2 PM? Jul 09 19:47:02 MetaView: What you say? Jul 09 19:47:14 webOS-info: halfhalo Jul 09 19:47:23 :( Jul 09 19:48:57 webos-info Jul 09 19:49:14 is not a bot anymore Jul 09 19:49:42 webOS-info is webOS-info is webOS-info is (terminating infinite loop) Jul 09 19:49:53 :( Jul 09 19:49:57 Sadly, no Jul 09 19:57:16 Still nothing but headset and speaker Jul 09 19:57:23 I hope 1.4.5.1 comes soon! Jul 09 20:03:12 Who was being webos-info Jul 09 20:03:32 WHO WAS PHONE Jul 09 20:03:35 [21:49] *** webOS-info is ~wirc@173-147-201-210.pools.spcsdns.net (Joshua) Jul 09 20:06:06 suspicious Jul 09 20:06:47 elyon: pleeaaseee Jul 09 20:32:51 wth is x-mojo-loc and is there anywhere an example of it not being set to ''? Jul 09 20:33:26 x-mojo-loc isn't used at runtime by the framework. It's used by a Palm internal localization tool for us to identify HTML elements in the framework or samples that have text that needs to be translated to other languages. Jul 09 20:33:31 found that on the net Jul 09 20:34:24 ah Jul 09 20:34:36 * haeffb begins removing x-mojo-loc from his apps Jul 09 20:34:43 sugardave translation: "ignore, don't use" Jul 09 20:34:49 google is my second (better) brain Jul 09 20:35:40 altavista is my retro brain Jul 09 20:35:56 haeffb: I tested the "hash" version of formatters, seems awesome and you can set real names for shit instead of nameFormatted Jul 09 20:36:56 awesome Jul 09 20:37:23 sugardave: explain Jul 09 20:37:27 wanna look @ a balsamiq mockup? Jul 09 20:38:08 HattCzech_work: Mojo.View.render...you can pass it an object or collection and a template to render, and you can have a formatters property to re-format the object properties in some way Jul 09 20:38:22 right Jul 09 20:38:26 i've played with formatters Jul 09 20:38:29 but in the template you have to use #{propertyFormatted} instead of #{property} Jul 09 20:38:30 ah Jul 09 20:38:31 okay Jul 09 20:38:38 so instead of just returning a value Jul 09 20:38:44 but what was the hash stuff? Jul 09 20:38:53 you can return an object of key/value pairs Jul 09 20:38:59 and use the key instead Jul 09 20:39:04 whos smoking hash? Jul 09 20:39:04 #{key} Jul 09 20:39:23 hmmm Jul 09 20:39:27 this lets you return multiple formatted options of a property or new ones Jul 09 20:40:18 cool Jul 09 20:40:19 sugardave: that is cool. Jul 09 20:40:49 copy this pastie: http://www.pastie.org/1037830 Jul 09 20:40:59 yeah, it's pretty nifty, so in my case, I pass a collection, and the new template just uses the object property names there Jul 09 20:41:06 import into http://www.balsamiq.com/builds/mockups-web-demo/ Jul 09 20:42:10 are there any good ways to market an app that i might be missing? Jul 09 20:42:31 I don't know how to paste :O Jul 09 20:42:46 haeffb: i'm missing the import part :/ Jul 09 20:43:09 nevermind Jul 09 20:43:10 Mockup/Import Mockup XML Jul 09 20:43:15 menu in top right Jul 09 20:43:42 yeah, found it Jul 09 20:43:43 balsamiq is way cool Jul 09 20:44:30 it looks pretty interesting Jul 09 20:44:48 is this the purpose of it? to share mockups? Jul 09 20:44:53 so, I'm looking at having drawers for folders, contexts, etc. tap on the folders label & the drawer opens, lets you pick which folders to include in a custom todo list Jul 09 20:44:58 etc. Jul 09 20:45:18 not sure whether to use checkbox, or... Jul 09 20:45:43 simply greyed (don't use) vs not greyed (use) Jul 09 20:45:46 or... Jul 09 20:46:20 popup list with add capability? Jul 09 20:46:57 chuqui: any news on hot apps status? :) Jul 09 20:47:13 it's over Jul 09 20:47:22 nothing new yet. we're working on it. finish the audit of the data. Jul 09 20:47:26 sugardave: how so? Jul 09 20:48:01 haeffb: I'm not sure if it has that builtin....you could make a custom dialog with a list widget in it to let them add new folders or delete them Jul 09 20:48:34 oh, I already have that. Jul 09 20:48:51 this is to choose which of your folders you want included in a customized list. Jul 09 20:49:23 oh, I see...I'd just use the checkbox Jul 09 20:49:24 like, I want a list that has folder 2 and third folder, but not any others. And this context and prirority > 3. And nothing due after tomorrow. Jul 09 20:50:02 or make each folder/whatever like a radiobutton (on/off) Jul 09 20:50:44 function is the same, it's just visual appeal. Plus the checkbox is used for marking tasks Done! Jul 09 20:50:45 so I lean the other way Jul 09 20:50:59 Ok, I've talked me into it. Jul 09 20:51:40 oh right...of course, radio buttons were SUPPOSED to be used for picking one option from a group Jul 09 20:52:05 yeah Jul 09 20:52:07 so, not radio button exactly Jul 09 20:52:28 you could jut change the chekbox selected graphic :D Jul 09 20:53:02 ON/OFF label Jul 09 20:53:10 INCLUDE/EXCLUDE Jul 09 20:53:22 chuqui: can you verify if i was on the list? :) or is that part of the "working on it" part? Jul 09 20:53:23 ta-da Jul 09 20:56:32 are there any restrictions on using app reviews in our promotional literature? Jul 09 20:57:48 haha Jul 09 20:57:57 maybe Jul 09 21:01:28 that would be telling.... Jul 09 21:01:31 can't I use the download manager to just make a POST ? Jul 09 21:01:44 or is it the wrong toolß Jul 09 21:01:45 ? Jul 09 21:01:56 maybe, or? Jul 09 21:02:04 ajaxRequest? Jul 09 21:02:12 ajax... right Jul 09 21:02:35 ok, thx, will try it Jul 09 21:04:32 it's freaking hot and dry here Jul 09 21:04:39 oi, what's the x-mojo- attribute for an html element that causes clicks to pass through that element? Jul 09 21:04:48 I saw it once, now I can't find it again Jul 09 21:04:52 ignore-tap? Jul 09 21:05:10 aha! I think thats it Jul 09 21:05:12 thanks! Jul 09 21:08:45 it sounded good, anyway :P I can't seem to find reference to it... Jul 09 21:09:39 trying to put a scroller in a palm-group....no workie Jul 09 21:10:19 make sure to set the height of the scroller Jul 09 21:11:00 yes, the scroller needs an height Jul 09 21:11:34 just use a drawer :p Jul 09 21:11:58 yes, it has a height of 100%, but the palm-group div it lives in is 50px...even setting scroller height to 30px does not work, it just blows beyond the boundaries of the group box Jul 09 21:12:51 may have to wrap it Jul 09 21:13:14 just for fun, and to test if it's because the height is so short, try setting it to 100px and see what happens? *shrug* Jul 09 21:13:16 other elements THINK the scroller is contained, my footer div is now showing on the screen where previously it ended at the unconstrained scroller Jul 09 21:13:19 interesting Jul 09 21:14:12 * Tibfib is excited for VBA on new hardware Jul 09 21:14:42 just thought I'd throw that out there Jul 09 21:15:17 whaaat? who's going to dirty up our clean palms with VBA? Jul 09 21:15:40 VBA ? Jul 09 21:15:46 gba emulator Jul 09 21:15:50 ah Jul 09 21:18:15 perhaps man is just not meant to place scrollers in palm groups Jul 09 21:18:34 why not? Jul 09 21:18:48 because it doesn't work? :D Jul 09 21:18:54 lol Jul 09 21:19:20 too bad we don't have a bot you could ask about scrollers in palm-groups Jul 09 21:19:48 appamajig: ignore mouse click? Jul 09 21:21:14 Use a high z-index (100,000) if you want your fades to draw above all else, and use the style -webkit-palm-mouse-target: ignore; to allow taps to pass through these fades to underlying content. Jul 09 21:21:27 from http://oreilly.com/palm/excerpts/9780596155254/quick-ref-style-guide.html Jul 09 21:23:30 thats what I was thinking of Jul 09 21:23:39 ah... I saw that and tried it, but it didn't work, I'm gonna try again maybe I typo'd or soemthing Jul 09 21:23:43 thanks! Jul 09 21:26:04 grr, I had just put it on the wrong element lol Jul 09 21:26:28 'preciate your guys help Jul 09 21:32:09 Hey Jul 09 21:32:15 yo Jul 09 21:32:45 wow i got quite a credit card offer Jul 09 21:32:59 they only want to charge me $100 up front to have their card Jul 09 21:33:34 Finished submitting my new app Jul 09 21:33:43 sweet! They must know you develop Palm Pre apps! Jul 09 21:33:50 totally a good credit risk Jul 09 21:33:51 kesne: nice, what app? Jul 09 21:33:56 lol Jul 09 21:34:03 What did you make? Jul 09 21:34:05 Tibfib: Planet Eaters Jul 09 21:34:23 were you gonna charge for that one, Kesne? Jul 09 21:34:39 Don't eat this one Jul 09 21:34:45 You mean the app? Jul 09 21:34:52 Am I charging for the app? Jul 09 21:34:56 yeah Jul 09 21:35:04 kesne: webOS? and what is it? Jul 09 21:35:12 WebOS Jul 09 21:35:16 It's a game Jul 09 21:35:20 Costs 1.99 Jul 09 21:35:25 tower defense? Jul 09 21:35:32 No sir Jul 09 21:35:32 my POST doesn't work Jul 09 21:35:45 sweet! good luck! Jul 09 21:36:03 1.99? oh welll Jul 09 21:36:08 What? Jul 09 21:36:09 It makes me think of The Tick Jul 09 21:36:23 MetaView: pastebin your ajax request? Jul 09 21:36:32 "You can't destroy the earth! That's where I keep all my stuff!" Jul 09 21:37:02 kesne: what type of game is it? Jul 09 21:37:14 tibfib: ask one of the beta testers Jul 09 21:37:49 http://www.pastebin.org/387831 Jul 09 21:37:53 I think finding out who is a beta tester, finding a way to contact them, and asking them is more difficult than you just telling me... >.< Jul 09 21:38:07 Ask MetaView Jul 09 21:38:30 MetaView: what type of game is it? Jul 09 21:38:43 Tibfib: is a labyrinth game fro mthe controls, but more a pick up and avoid obstacles from the content Jul 09 21:38:54 MetaView: you are missing some lines Jul 09 21:39:00 which ones? Jul 09 21:39:01 ah, thank you. Jul 09 21:39:07 the onSuccess is called Jul 09 21:39:16 but the data isn't send Jul 09 21:39:32 ah, I got cut off after your onComplete log line Jul 09 21:39:42 your comment line screws it up Jul 09 21:39:44 so you get an error response or no response? Jul 09 21:40:05 It's a cool little game, kinda got a goofy sort of theme... you control the 'planet eater' in outer space and tilt the phone (aka labyrinth) and try to eat the planets as they pop up, but you have to dodge the blackholes which move around mostly randomly, but as the levels get harder ,it seemed like it would target you and the planets that you were after Jul 09 21:40:08 I get a success Jul 09 21:40:12 my new app idea... this app does nothing also Jul 09 21:40:43 maybe let's look at the php behind Jul 09 21:40:44 Hey, This App Does Nothing is mine Jul 09 21:40:44 it's pretty addicting... My wife liked it too Jul 09 21:40:49 lol Jul 09 21:41:06 MetaView: so you have both an onComplete and onSuccess? Jul 09 21:41:11 whats funny kesne... my friend was talking about that app last night Jul 09 21:41:11 I sold 18 copies of that stuff! Jul 09 21:41:22 What about it? Jul 09 21:41:33 she saw it and wondered what it did Jul 09 21:41:33 in my php I catch $_POST["file"] Jul 09 21:41:43 you bought it??! Jul 09 21:41:55 sugardave: oh, no, i have onComplete Jul 09 21:41:59 nah, i'm not setup for purchases in the app catalog yet Jul 09 21:42:09 hey Jul 09 21:42:20 i have a huge problem, I just purchased a palm pre prepaid Jul 09 21:42:28 but i can't sign into my palm profile or update it Jul 09 21:42:35 because I don't have a data plan Jul 09 21:42:44 and I can't update because it's not verified Jul 09 21:42:46 MetaView: okay, onComplete will always fire, so yeah...but you should still get responseText Jul 09 21:42:59 Oh, you mean saw it in the catalog? Jul 09 21:43:01 as long as the PHP sends something Jul 09 21:43:17 sugardave: the post request arrives my server but $_POST["file"] seems to be empty Jul 09 21:43:27 yeah in the catalog Jul 09 21:43:35 I get responseText Jul 09 21:43:44 she can't buy anything, it doesnt like her credit card or something Jul 09 21:43:49 but on my server I don't receive what I think I would receive Jul 09 21:43:50 let me look at my post code Jul 09 21:43:51 it's a good app Jul 09 21:43:54 On sale right now Jul 09 21:44:04 sugardave: Is for local saving Jul 09 21:44:08 hurry, sale ends soon! Jul 09 21:44:09 heh Jul 09 21:44:32 It's about to go on an anti-sale pretty soon. Jul 09 21:44:35 For $100 Jul 09 21:44:45 $100 sounds fair Jul 09 21:44:46 i wonder if i port my app to another platform if it will have better luck or just be buried with the other apps Jul 09 21:45:00 i'd pay $100 Jul 09 21:45:03 EmmettLollis: let us know what you find out Jul 09 21:45:32 haeffb... haven't decided if i'm doing that or just coming up with a new app Jul 09 21:45:41 * MetaView only use UberAppCat and always searches for stuff below 1 $ Jul 09 21:46:00 though the sales i'm seeing don't justify me spending another 100 hours on an app :/ Jul 09 21:46:28 it was a good learning process though Jul 09 21:46:34 MetaView: in my php I do $package = $_POST, your example should be $_POST['key'] or $_POST['data'] Jul 09 21:46:38 brb Jul 09 21:47:12 i.e. $_POST = parameter object Jul 09 21:48:12 ahhhhh Jul 09 21:48:44 the 'key': 'file' 'data':stuff comes still from my attempt to use the download manager Jul 09 21:48:47 bah, 2 more weeks till I get my comp back Jul 09 21:48:50 stupid, me, right Jul 09 21:49:01 I need 'file' ; value Jul 09 21:49:10 ah, remap Jul 09 21:49:16 I love DL manager! Jul 09 21:49:32 another try Jul 09 21:49:52 kesne: haven't sen your app in UberAppCat yet... Jul 09 21:50:03 What app? Jul 09 21:50:20 EarthEater? Jul 09 21:50:35 ErdeVerspeiser Jul 09 21:55:01 the more apps we make, the more people will buy the phone, more people that buy the phone, makes it more worth it to make more apps Jul 09 21:55:07 (hopefully) Jul 09 21:56:05 also, look at it as awesome "ahead of the game" time when we get tablets/netbooks/notebooks(?) Jul 09 21:56:21 but then the market gets 2x more saturated while phone sales go up 1.5x :/ Jul 09 21:57:10 i got my pre because it's the best smartphone out there Jul 09 21:57:59 really? some people really seem to like the pixi a lot Jul 09 21:58:08 lol Jul 09 21:58:09 more solid construction/feel to the phone Jul 09 21:58:21 half the memory and less screen real estate Jul 09 21:58:29 lots of great features! Jul 09 21:58:41 but feels better Jul 09 21:58:43 *shrug* Jul 09 21:58:44 oh yeah, and no 3d games until recently :P Jul 09 21:58:52 the Pre is a bit heavy on the back Jul 09 21:59:17 floating point on the CPU is quicker i believe (makes a difference with JS since everything is float) Jul 09 21:59:18 yeah, those are decentish points *shrug* I can be a smartass, though, right? :P Jul 09 21:59:29 GPU is better in the pixi Jul 09 21:59:38 seriously? that sounds crazy Jul 09 21:59:57 For no reason at all I kindof assumed they had identical cpus Jul 09 22:00:17 nope .. pixi ARM11 versus Cortex A8 in the pre .. Jul 09 22:00:19 isn't the GPU not really used though? (throughout all of webOS) Jul 09 22:00:55 it'll get a heavy workout in the near future according to the hints palm had at their developer days thinger Jul 09 22:01:07 there is a nice slide that shows the pixi and pre GPU numbers .. Jul 09 22:01:12 GPU accelerated CSS? Jul 09 22:01:19 zippy Jul 09 22:01:22 nice thing with the pre is that it's OC-able .. Jul 09 22:01:26 lol that would actually be really cool Jul 09 22:01:46 even webGL stuff i am sure they're working on .. Jul 09 22:01:52 can't OC the pixi? wow, I've been learning a lot here in the last two minutes Jul 09 22:01:54 the hybrid app stuff is very interesting Jul 09 22:02:10 * sugardave fears. "Yet another graphics tecnology I have no hope of mastering." Jul 09 22:02:16 appamajig: there aren't really any documents out there that discuss how to OC it .. not like the TI chip used in the pre Jul 09 22:02:50 Hi all Jul 09 22:02:51 I'll be very interested in playing with hybrid apps once it's all official and documented (as well as palm documents anything... bah) Jul 09 22:03:16 writing documentation takes time and knowledgeable people .. Jul 09 22:03:17 OC? Jul 09 22:03:18 I'm using an application that opens an acount of calendar and enters data to it , Jul 09 22:03:21 overclock Jul 09 22:03:25 appamajig: whoa whoa whoa...let's get a PDK option for Linux before we start working on the fluff Jul 09 22:03:25 OC=overclock Jul 09 22:03:33 thx Jul 09 22:03:38 what is the best way to perform an export/import mechanism? Jul 09 22:03:54 *shrug* I'm personally less interested in a linux pdk option. Jul 09 22:03:59 calendar data ? Jul 09 22:04:03 yes Jul 09 22:04:09 i thought ical was the preferred format Jul 09 22:04:33 is ical an XML format? Jul 09 22:04:33 ical? Jul 09 22:04:42 documentation is nice, but if I can't use the PDK, what good does it do me? Jul 09 22:04:42 oh maybe they call it icalendar now .. Jul 09 22:04:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar Jul 09 22:05:12 Hey, is there any way to edit an SDK app on the device, with the device? Jul 09 22:05:26 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545 - for the official spec Jul 09 22:05:31 elyon2: Terminal from preware, probably Jul 09 22:05:49 sugardave: I don't completely follow... Jul 09 22:06:06 I was thinking about an app for editing apps Jul 09 22:06:07 sugardave seems to use linux .. and wants a linux pdk Jul 09 22:06:08 docs === fluff Jul 09 22:06:20 docs !-- fluff Jul 09 22:06:23 xzibit in the house? Jul 09 22:06:29 docs === lifeblood Jul 09 22:06:40 !-- = !== Jul 09 22:06:41 it was a subtle dig at how unimportant good documentation has been to this point :P Jul 09 22:06:47 I wrote an iCalImporter app Jul 09 22:06:56 ah, ok, I'll stupid thinking you're literal lol Jul 09 22:07:47 wow, I must not have had enough sleep lastnight, I meant to say stop thinking you're literal Jul 09 22:07:54 haha Jul 09 22:08:06 freudian slip I think Jul 09 22:09:38 haeffb: I have to go to the store in a few minutes, and I am personally checking the mail on my way back, so we'll see if the watch has arrived Jul 09 22:11:54 watch?!?! Jul 09 22:12:17 Maybe I'm weird, but I'll often find myself wishing I could edit my app with my phone Jul 09 22:12:32 sometimes usable with internalz Jul 09 22:12:38 Eq, use MetaView's app, but backwards, to export Jul 09 22:12:39 I do it fro mtime to time Jul 09 22:12:47 Like I used to do on my calculators Jul 09 22:13:37 so the terminal app would let me do what I can from putty with ssh? a linux command line? Jul 09 22:13:46 * haeffb has a new rule: Absolutely no changes to syncing routines w/o at least one week of beta testing. Jul 09 22:14:13 broken apps in catalog === sucks Jul 09 22:14:21 elyon2: yes Jul 09 22:15:04 * haeffb needs to write a testing procedure Jul 09 22:15:24 broken apps in cat is terrible Jul 09 22:15:33 it takes too long to have the fix out Jul 09 22:15:44 * oilsworkn lols @ all the emails haeffb must be getting Jul 09 22:15:45 trying to package a pdk app is terrible Jul 09 22:15:50 I was once able to force it by begging chuqui and the review crew Jul 09 22:16:11 whining on twitter is how most devs do it Jul 09 22:16:18 chuqui: So, no revew of bugfix update yet. Not likely to happen before Monday? Jul 09 22:16:27 and since I've decided to start a cult, having some begging minions wouldn't hurt. depends on the costumes they wear Jul 09 22:16:51 I was told whatever has them stuck is being unstuck, but they wn't be ready for review until monday, but they will be looked at monday. Jul 09 22:17:02 * haeffb started the begging yesterday Jul 09 22:17:04 remmber, our oompa-loompas have weekends off. Jul 09 22:17:25 chuqui: do you guys have summer interns? Jul 09 22:17:33 (working on reviews) Jul 09 22:17:41 err.....reviewing apps Jul 09 22:18:04 wIRC is cool, but I don't know why they have a super light green user color Jul 09 22:18:09 unreadable Jul 09 22:18:23 because were special Jul 09 22:18:44 I wonder why no one is able to make a decent im app. IM+ is crap and now mundo is also crap Jul 09 22:18:57 wirc is good. Jul 09 22:19:01 now that we have pdk it should be easy Jul 09 22:19:06 nope. no interns. not after the hazing incident. Jul 09 22:19:15 don't understant why there aren't any irc clients in the catalog Jul 09 22:19:21 oh, wait. lawyers said not to talk about that. forget I said anyhting. Jul 09 22:19:26 heh Jul 09 22:19:27 ... at least it would be easy if we could package pdk apps and have them work Jul 09 22:19:28 chuqui: hah! well I'm considering applying to be an intern if I can work out living arrangements Jul 09 22:19:48 next summer Jul 09 22:19:50 interns live in the storage closet Jul 09 22:19:56 what's better . terminal or terminus? Jul 09 22:19:57 well, best I could do for an evil lair was a storm drain. I'm hoping to upgrade before rainy season. Jul 09 22:19:58 so, that's taken care of Jul 09 22:19:59 wow, free rent Jul 09 22:20:06 if you're an intern, I wouldn't expect much. Jul 09 22:20:09 haeffb: I'm okay with that. that's cheap Jul 09 22:20:28 elyon2: terminal Jul 09 22:20:32 is it a shared storage closet? Jul 09 22:20:41 terminus has colors, etc, but the display is crappy for most things Jul 09 22:20:56 the developer hasn't touched it since he first released it Jul 09 22:21:37 elyon2: terminal is nicer (in my opinion) .. and i believe supports more keys Jul 09 22:21:39 is anyone here responsible for the app company bytesequencing? Jul 09 22:22:16 I'm getting ready to submit an app that will be a competitor... so I was just curious... nm :) Jul 09 22:23:03 what app? Jul 09 22:23:13 and no, i'm not bytesomething Jul 09 22:23:31 kilobytesomething? Jul 09 22:23:33 i'm mysoftwarebytes Jul 09 22:23:35 I always think that means bythesequencing Jul 09 22:23:37 so can anyone explane the set Wallpaper service to me. How does the service take a url and create an image out of it? Jul 09 22:23:41 well, the trip to the store has been delayed, but... Jul 09 22:23:48 * oilsworkn doesn't have a fancy company name, just uses his real name Jul 09 22:23:50 It's a samegame clone Jul 09 22:23:51 haeffb: thanks for the watch, it is awesome! Jul 09 22:24:20 JenP: I though you would give it an URL with a picture Jul 09 22:24:32 with some extras... you pop bubbles with cash or exp, and gain levels, then you can buy things from the store... it should be fun for the people who like that sorta thing Jul 09 22:25:07 ooh i know! i'll write an app that does 1 thing with slight variations and make 100 apps out of it, yeah thats the ticket Jul 09 22:25:18 to hell Jul 09 22:25:23 that was my idea Jul 09 22:25:27 lol Jul 09 22:25:36 yeah but it wants "target":"file:// how does that translate to a url? Jul 09 22:25:38 then i write a tool for others to avoid this app spam Jul 09 22:25:39 like one app for each state? Jul 09 22:25:43 or each sports team? Jul 09 22:25:50 hah "state facts" Jul 09 22:25:58 walkie talkie app for bigbiff Jul 09 22:26:00 JenP: the image needs to be local Jul 09 22:26:00 nah, i wouldnt do that Jul 09 22:26:08 though i wonder if it works Jul 09 22:26:12 make an encyclopedia app Jul 09 22:26:13 * haeffb thinking 'bout making a BigXII basketball app Jul 09 22:26:33 an app for each player? Jul 09 22:26:34 hrm Jul 09 22:26:34 or how about a wallpaper app for every picture you find Jul 09 22:26:39 hmm...then i guess it's not what i want Jul 09 22:26:40 I'm sure i will make some special radio apps: Jazz, R'n'B and stuff Jul 09 22:26:49 the wallpaper app is just a GIS for the apps title Jul 09 22:27:07 JenP: use Downlaodmanager to download the image and then the wallpaper service Jul 09 22:27:15 JenP: if it wants file://, that just means you need to know where the local file is on the system Jul 09 22:27:20 if its file:// Jul 09 22:27:32 I'd also like some aps that use the camera like for identifying plants Jul 09 22:27:34 you should just be able to do http://blarg.com/awesomewallpaper.jpg Jul 09 22:27:35 file://Mojo.appPath/something/something.png Jul 09 22:27:36 MapTool ready for update... nice Jul 09 22:27:37 sugardave: welcome. it is nice, but I had no use for it Jul 09 22:27:54 haeffb: what watch? Jul 09 22:28:00 take a pic of a plant and it tells you about it? Jul 09 22:28:04 oilsworkn: really? Jul 09 22:28:04 that sounds complicated as hell Jul 09 22:28:08 haeffb: yeah, I like it...going to have to get a few of the links removed before I can wear it though :D Jul 09 22:28:09 ya Jul 09 22:28:15 JenP: i dont see why not? Jul 09 22:28:27 * oilsworkn could be totally wrong ofcourse Jul 09 22:28:28 how about one of you guys make an audio player...for sites like audible.com Jul 09 22:28:34 MetaView: it's a Dr. Pepper watch that I (my wife) won in a raffle for a bunch o' stuff. Jul 09 22:28:53 oilsworkin, you can make the walkie talkie app for me :-) Jul 09 22:28:57 I don't wear a watch, and don't drink soda, so...mailed to sugardave Jul 09 22:28:59 JenP: you can enter any URL in ÜberRadio Jul 09 22:29:15 no this would be for the audible books you buy Jul 09 22:29:15 BigBiff: no mic access Jul 09 22:29:21 don't wear a watch either, still have a Palm OS watch here: Fossil Jul 09 22:29:35 my phone is my watch Jul 09 22:29:39 soon I'm sure Jul 09 22:29:51 soon? they can't even get 145 out the door xD Jul 09 22:29:54 oilsworkn: same here Jul 09 22:30:09 me too Jul 09 22:30:13 ME EIGHT Jul 09 22:30:14 heh Jul 09 22:30:17 1.4.5 has been out the door for quite a while. Jul 09 22:30:25 getting it out the carriers...though... Jul 09 22:30:27 1.4.5 is here Jul 09 22:30:51 semantics schemantics Jul 09 22:30:55 you all know what i meant Jul 09 22:31:11 if rwhitby was here he would say "its already released in the important part of the world" Jul 09 22:31:25 What ties a List Item template to my list? Jul 09 22:31:46 you set it in the attributes of the list widget Jul 09 22:31:50 which html file to use Jul 09 22:32:04 (i dont remember the exact attribute off the top of my head, i always copy/paste it) Jul 09 22:32:26 can I do this in the assistant? Jul 09 22:32:48 yeah, in setup() Jul 09 22:32:54 thanks Jul 09 22:33:26 itemTemplate: Jul 09 22:33:29 listTemplate: Jul 09 22:33:47 okay, so where would my app be stored, from the terminal? Jul 09 22:34:03 oilsworkn: not to belabour the point, but is a 2 way radio possible with mic support? Jul 09 22:34:20 without coverage? Jul 09 22:34:26 lol Jul 09 22:34:27 elyon: somewhere under /media/internal/cryptofs, I think Jul 09 22:34:34 well there needs to be a connection between the two pres Jul 09 22:34:39 sigh... I'm doing more copy/paste than actual hacking on this app Jul 09 22:34:40 via evdo, wifi, bluetooth? Jul 09 22:34:47 okay, I'll go look Jul 09 22:34:55 i mean, you can't walkietalkie between to non-connected devices Jul 09 22:35:11 yes. yes. no, I can just yell. Jul 09 22:35:12 right, ud have to change the freq Jul 09 22:35:27 like a cb Jul 09 22:35:35 or maybe even yes, no, no Jul 09 22:35:40 i dont know anything about any of that Jul 09 22:35:41 sugardave: cand cd to cryptofs Jul 09 22:35:43 that's what I want.. a precb Jul 09 22:35:45 cant Jul 09 22:38:13 anyone know of a patch or app to disable the volume buttons? Jul 09 22:40:18 If it's a Pre, just wait. It'll break eventually Jul 09 22:40:23 zing! Jul 09 22:40:32 heh Jul 09 22:41:12 well if I can't have my cb I guess I'll just write some bad reviews for haeffb Jul 09 22:41:36 a favored pasttime Jul 09 22:42:09 my favorite is "download failure: 0 stars!" Jul 09 22:42:11 it would be a nifty service though Jul 09 22:42:13 like its the apps fault Jul 09 22:42:43 haeffb: what's new in the done! beta, I noticed the update Jul 09 22:42:57 bugfix Jul 09 22:43:15 okay, I'm in Jul 09 22:43:26 i actually downloaded it to try it out Jul 09 22:43:34 so are there any text editors available? Jul 09 22:43:37 and it was all "sign up" Jul 09 22:43:40 and i was all "no thanks" Jul 09 22:43:50 g'night Jul 09 22:43:55 done? Jul 09 22:43:56 ahh, I guess I haven't used it that indepth Jul 09 22:44:07 the task thing, right? Jul 09 22:44:10 yep. Jul 09 22:44:11 Text editors on Preware? Jul 09 22:44:17 yeah Jul 09 22:44:23 I just make my little task and checkem off Jul 09 22:44:24 the whole point is pretty much to sync with the web service... Jul 09 22:44:25 or do people seriously edit text from a terminal? Jul 09 22:44:25 disappointing that palm has no new devices Jul 09 22:44:41 i believe internalz has a text editor Jul 09 22:44:42 patience Jul 09 22:44:51 haeffb: i get that Jul 09 22:44:55 i was going to try it out Jul 09 22:45:01 but didn't want a web service xD Jul 09 22:45:38 and i was all "back gesture!" Jul 09 22:45:50 and it kept popping in the sign in scene Jul 09 22:45:54 and it was all like "no can do" Jul 09 22:45:56 and i kept fighting it Jul 09 22:46:09 then i orange+tapped it and was victorious! Jul 09 22:46:20 lol Jul 09 22:46:30 anyone use PhoneGap? Jul 09 22:46:35 * haeffb tried wirc, but it kept wanting me to connect to a server... Jul 09 22:46:41 haha! Jul 09 22:46:46 ...& I was like, no way dude. Jul 09 22:46:53 so you played in teh prefs? Jul 09 22:46:54 phonegap looks interesting Jul 09 22:47:38 but anyway, there are plenty of tasks apps that don't sync Jul 09 22:47:54 im sure Jul 09 22:47:59 i dont really keep track of tasks like that Jul 09 22:48:36 so, how do you? Jul 09 22:48:42 all in my head Jul 09 22:48:48 which filters out the unimportant ones Jul 09 22:48:52 by way of forgetting them Jul 09 22:49:01 EmmettLollis: There was a PhoneGap Presentation at Palm Dev Day. The vid and slides should be online. Jul 09 22:49:04 * haeffb > 40 Jul 09 22:49:12 * oilsworkn < 40 Jul 09 22:49:13 all tasks become unimportant at my age Jul 09 22:49:14 Oooh Jul 09 22:49:18 will check it out Jul 09 22:50:03 the split seconds i saw of the yellow task screen and the sign-in screen that kept bugging me looked nice though :) Jul 09 22:52:18 is it possible to edit the default "Hello World" that palm-generate spits out? Jul 09 22:52:32 I mean, change what palm-generate generates Jul 09 22:53:12 gosh. no text editor Jul 09 22:53:17 not really Jul 09 22:53:38 that would so rock ... to be able to bug fix without my computer Jul 09 22:53:39 no text editor ? Jul 09 22:54:03 not a notes app, a file system text editor Jul 09 22:54:15 you could on palmos I think Jul 09 22:54:21 just use vi and terminal Jul 09 22:54:27 I'm on the terminal, but I can't practically edit the file Jul 09 22:54:38 practicality is overrated Jul 09 22:54:46 how would I run VincentLaw ? Jul 09 22:54:48 vi Jul 09 22:54:53 type vi Jul 09 22:54:55 sorry, auto complete Jul 09 22:55:00 hold on Jul 09 22:55:08 :q to quit Jul 09 22:55:18 escape to exit insert mode Jul 09 22:55:33 which is sym+space? or something like that Jul 09 22:55:38 something like that Jul 09 22:55:46 there is a help for different keys Jul 09 22:55:51 and some gesture stuff Jul 09 22:56:01 * oilsworkn added that scene :) Jul 09 22:56:08 oilsworkn is the man Jul 09 22:56:11 lol Jul 09 22:56:14 the bees knees if you will Jul 09 22:56:19 cause i would always forget what escape was Jul 09 22:56:22 yeah, I can't get out :) Jul 09 22:56:23 and had to look it up in the wiki each time Jul 09 22:56:32 elyon3: type :q then hit enter Jul 09 22:57:01 though the maximum extent of my viming from terminal was adding the testing feed before we implemented that into preware Jul 09 22:57:03 pick up a vi tips card too Jul 09 22:57:07 ugh Jul 09 22:57:37 vi is powerful (I hear) yet so unfriendly (I know) Jul 09 22:57:43 heh Jul 09 22:57:53 at least it's more friendly than emacs Jul 09 22:57:54 ;) Jul 09 22:58:05 same thing afaik Jul 09 22:58:15 understandable i suppose Jul 09 22:58:15 first thing I do on a box : apt-get install jed Jul 09 22:58:26 i think jed can be installed through optware Jul 09 22:58:32 i am pretty sure pico can Jul 09 22:59:12 worst part is that I'm sure I'd love vi if I took time to get to know if, but it's been about 10 years I know that and never got to it :D Jul 09 23:00:00 got it Jul 09 23:00:03 back swipe Jul 09 23:00:09 :q! Jul 09 23:00:13 Howdy folks. Is it colossally stupid to try flashing the Palm Pixi Plus Verizon rom onto a Sprint Pixi? Jul 09 23:00:20 wow. that is intense Jul 09 23:00:31 * emhs is looking for a shortcut to flash the sprint pixi to verizon Jul 09 23:00:31 might be Jul 09 23:00:50 I guess they're both cdma Jul 09 23:01:01 it would be easier if they were both "plus" Jul 09 23:01:24 probably not "colossally" Jul 09 23:02:08 I wouldn't assume it would brick the phone, if the hardware is practically the same Jul 09 23:03:32 How much difference is there between plus and original? Jul 09 23:04:19 so anyone think hp will announce something at mobile beat? Jul 09 23:04:32 well announce a new device Jul 09 23:04:33 Maybe it'll just be a touch slow? Jul 09 23:04:43 umm, wifi and memory, is it? Jul 09 23:05:03 or wifi and disk space Jul 09 23:05:08 lots of carrier stuff Jul 09 23:05:09 That's it? Jul 09 23:05:12 Just wifi and ram? Jul 09 23:05:24 same processor and graphics, I think Jul 09 23:05:39 The carrier stuff is exactly what I wanna change. Need to switch the damn thing over to be used on PagePlus for a customer. Jul 09 23:05:52 I believe the sprint pixi may have originally been built for wifi, so that might still work Jul 09 23:06:03 not likely that Verizon will allow a sprint phone on their network, afaik Jul 09 23:06:23 it's still a risk, but not collossally risky Jul 09 23:06:45 would be harder the otherway around, I suppose Jul 09 23:07:16 the doctor might not let you, though. I'm not sure Jul 09 23:08:41 OH NOES! Jul 09 23:09:46 toes? Jul 09 23:10:13 Palm rejected my Porn app! D: Jul 09 23:10:23 lol Jul 09 23:10:34 shocker Jul 09 23:10:36 free boobs? Jul 09 23:10:58 BigBiff: well, it wasn't free Jul 09 23:12:01 A porn app would be super pupular! Jul 09 23:12:14 elyon3, haeffb: PagePlus (Verizon prepaid MVNO) has stated to dealers that they honestly don't care what cdma devices get put on the prepaid service. As long as we don't ask them to support the devices, we can do what we want Jul 09 23:12:36 kesne is scrooge mcduck Jul 09 23:13:12 hah Jul 09 23:13:39 Who's in here that I know? Jul 09 23:13:46 I know somebody here I'm sure Jul 09 23:13:57 ChanServ? Jul 09 23:14:10 Ah, good old ChanServ Jul 09 23:19:20 hey how do you stop the spinner inside a button? Jul 09 23:21:42 this.controller.get('myButton').mojo.deactivate(); Jul 09 23:21:54 thanks haeffb Jul 09 23:22:02 Rock on! Jul 09 23:22:08 Internalz is what I needed Jul 09 23:22:14 Woo! Jul 09 23:22:19 Now I can develop on the phone! Fun :) Jul 09 23:22:46 w00t Jul 09 23:22:49 Maybe now I'll have a use for making a Javascript/HTML syntax highlighting app Jul 09 23:23:06 Hehe Jul 09 23:23:52 I have an add-on available for Concrete5 which provides an editable block with syntax highlighting Jul 09 23:23:52 http://www.concrete5.org/marketplace/addons/code-blocks/ Jul 09 23:24:06 The code for the editor is Javascript-based, so I could make an app out of it Jul 09 23:24:16 The editor I use doens't have syntax hylighting Jul 09 23:24:27 But I haven't really thought of a good reason to have highlighting on the phone Jul 09 23:25:54 I guess the best would be if it were built straight into Internalz, since it doesn't have a select all, copy and paste edit menu Jul 09 23:26:01 (Maybe an oversight?) Jul 09 23:26:55 * zsoc|fud has been developing on his Pre since last August Jul 09 23:27:49 is this you daily phone as well? Jul 09 23:28:23 of course, that's why i have it with me Jul 09 23:29:54 I wonder if the developer of Internalz would be interested in syntax highlighting? Jul 09 23:30:04 let me ask him Jul 09 23:30:34 he's not opposed Jul 09 23:30:55 This is fun, though! Looking for GCC help led me to a TI calculator page, which reminded me of all the programs I made on my TI-84 and TI-89, on the phone Jul 09 23:31:08 Here's a link with some screenshots: Jul 09 23:31:09 http://www.concrete5.org/marketplace/addons/code-blocks/ Jul 09 23:31:20 Have CSS, JS and HTML completion Jul 09 23:31:26 and PHP, but that isn't important for the phone Jul 09 23:33:26 it is if you want to use the phone to edit your web server Jul 09 23:33:45 vim has syntax highlighting... Jul 09 23:33:47 How would you do that? With an FTP app? Jul 09 23:34:07 the world is full of possibilities Jul 09 23:34:49 So what do you guys think ... so far, Internalz is WAY better than vi Jul 09 23:34:53 elyon: ssh Jul 09 23:34:55 and vim Jul 09 23:34:59 no it's not Jul 09 23:35:03 it's many times less productive Jul 09 23:35:04 Terminal and ssh Jul 09 23:35:14 in terms of usability, for me, at least Jul 09 23:35:23 I can tap, backspace, type, save. Jul 09 23:35:30 vi took forever to figure out how to exit Jul 09 23:35:35 :wq ? Jul 09 23:35:37 or nfs or sshfs mount it onto the phone and edit it locally Jul 09 23:35:40 * zsoc|fud shrugs, to each his own Jul 09 23:35:41 Seemed like it might be nice for someone who's really familiar with it Jul 09 23:36:04 Like I love FlashDevelop, and know the shortcuts for duplicating lines, code completion, etc. Jul 09 23:36:29 without understanding it, seems like I would do more harm with vi than good :) Jul 09 23:37:14 Okay, so quick question, then Jul 09 23:37:36 If I were to theoretically make a standalone application, which provided completion for PHP, HTML, JS and CSS, would that be useful? Jul 09 23:37:48 Or would it really only be practical if it was integrated into various apps? Jul 09 23:41:42 people need to stop calling me today Jul 09 23:43:03 hey, today....get over here Jul 09 23:43:13 what's going on in SC? Jul 09 23:43:53 radar detector just went crazy.... wth Jul 09 23:44:03 mwahaha Jul 09 23:46:03 do our new HP overlords ever come in here? Jul 09 23:46:10 sitting in car boooored waiting for parent who needed ride to eye doctor for a simple thing Jul 09 23:46:58 dohtem: do you mean the Palm folks, or non-Palm HP folks? Jul 09 23:47:10 latter Jul 09 23:47:19 maybe Jul 09 23:47:20 I know the Palm folks come in on occasion Jul 09 23:48:36 How can we bring webos-info back? Jul 09 23:48:49 you can't Jul 09 23:48:52 it's over Jul 09 23:48:56 D: Jul 09 23:49:14 you alone are responsible for it's demise Jul 09 23:49:21 D': Jul 09 23:49:28 getting dirty looks from this hippie chick because I'm sitting my suv with the engine idling high. Jul 09 23:49:39 Hehe Jul 09 23:50:06 halfhalo_pre: you are my hero, you're using your phone while driving a gas guzzling car. Jul 09 23:50:10 A real american hero. Jul 09 23:50:28 wait wait... is it a detroit car? Jul 09 23:50:34 please say yes Jul 09 23:53:13 Over 20000 Checkers Online games played Jul 09 23:53:21 lies Jul 09 23:53:41 No lies! Jul 09 23:53:45 http://keen-studios.net Jul 09 23:54:41 you've played a lot of checkers games Jul 09 23:56:45 did a lap, back idling Jul 09 23:56:48 I've played 20 Jul 09 23:56:57 revrev little car Jul 09 23:59:10 I think I'm on a 2by4 or sumething Jul 10 00:02:00 cops! hide! Jul 10 00:19:55 good afternoon everyone Jul 10 00:43:53 Hey. Trying Verizon Doctor (under Arch Linux) on my pixi, but it's not detecting it. Jul 10 00:47:23 Anyone know why web0s Doctor for a Pixi Plus Verizon would be not detecting a sprint pixi? Does it check to verify that it's a plus, and silently fail if it isn't? Jul 10 00:50:26 emhs: yes Jul 10 00:50:31 emhs: meta-doctor can remove that check Jul 10 00:51:27 Metadoctor. Jul 10 00:51:33 * emhs googles that Jul 10 00:58:59 emhs: it's a utility that packages a custom doctor with various things preset, for your convenience, support for it would be in #webos-internals Jul 10 00:59:13 Thanks. Jul 10 01:23:32 Bonjour mes amis Jul 10 01:36:32 greetings everyone Jul 10 01:36:53 Greetings monsiour Jul 10 01:38:58 Published an app and My Apps states that it's status is published yet it shows up no where in the catalog, any ideas? Jul 10 01:41:03 Takes about a day apparently Jul 10 01:41:11 Unless its in beta feed Jul 10 01:41:17 then it's supposed to be instant Jul 10 01:41:22 Ok Jul 10 01:41:48 Havent published before so idk. Jul 10 01:46:27 I'm having some issues layering things over the top of other things Jul 10 01:47:24 I'm using z-index: 1 and z-index: 2 and position: absolute in css, but when layering scrollers on top of each other, they just seem to want to not layer and stack up Jul 10 01:47:41 position fixed Jul 10 01:47:50 not absolute Jul 10 01:47:58 Really? Jul 10 01:48:01 Ya Jul 10 01:48:25 Let me give it a try Jul 10 01:48:34 this.controller.get('cmdProfile').style.position = "fixed"; Jul 10 01:48:34 this.controller.get('cmdProfile').style.zIndex = "1"; Jul 10 01:48:46 I use this code in my app to layer picture widgets overtop of canvas Jul 10 01:49:49 Doesn't seem to work with the scroller widget Jul 10 01:50:03 Using code or stylesheets? Jul 10 01:50:11 stylesheets Jul 10 01:50:55 Try putting my snippet in the activate function of your mainassistant. Jul 10 01:53:22 or the equivalent if you're not working on the main scene Jul 10 01:53:44 Weird. That works Jul 10 01:54:00 I noticed you had z-Index Jul 10 01:54:13 it's z-index. Jul 10 01:54:20 in your CSS. maybe try zIndex.. idk I'm not too good with CSS Jul 10 01:54:27 ok Jul 10 01:54:36 There's code completion for that so, yeah, I'm sure it's correct. Jul 10 01:54:44 and I use it elsewhere in the app Jul 10 01:54:49 hmm Jul 10 01:55:27 Maybe someone who knows CSS can chime in, or look it up in google, try w3schools.com/css first Jul 10 01:55:46 http://w3schools.com/css/css_positioning.asp Jul 10 01:55:48 The css code is definitely correct. Jul 10 01:55:57 Idk then :P Jul 10 01:56:02 As I said, I use it elsewhere in the app. Jul 10 01:56:10 Just doesn't seem to work with that particular widget Jul 10 01:56:23 ah. what IDE are you using btw? Jul 10 01:56:30 kimodo Jul 10 01:56:57 Some widgets don't handle css correctly though Jul 10 01:57:03 Like webview for instance. Jul 10 01:57:05 I might switch to that when I need to get away from ARES Jul 10 01:57:26 I've been developing this app since before Ares so Ares is completely alien to me Jul 10 01:57:43 And I just started developing a week ago so it's all I know :P Jul 10 01:58:03 What app are you developing? Jul 10 01:58:06 I'm learning as I go, never knew javascript before either but I know AS3 and some native languages Jul 10 01:58:13 Neither did I Jul 10 01:58:20 I've never done any programming before Jul 10 01:58:22 I'm developing a game. Jul 10 01:58:34 Ah well welcome to the most addictive hobby on the planet Jul 10 01:58:47 I've gotten pretty good Jul 10 01:58:47 besides snorting coke <_< .. but I wouldn't know anything about that Jul 10 01:59:51 I develop RadioTime Jul 10 02:00:01 ah yea I downloaded that app. Jul 10 02:00:25 I personally use Online radio though because of teh plethora of genres/radio stations although it's missing a search feature which is a huge bummer Jul 10 02:00:32 You and 260,000 other people Jul 10 02:01:04 Ummm...RadioTime has the largest selection of radio on the planet. Jul 10 02:01:05 Seriously. Jul 10 02:01:44 * Anivrom boots up radiotime to test this conjecture Jul 10 02:02:42 Yea I'm not bashing your app its nice, but limited genres compared to online radios shoutcast section. Jul 10 02:02:59 We have every single Shoutcast station. Jul 10 02:03:06 We index shoutcast Jul 10 02:03:37 Shoutcast has around what, 25,000 stations? We have over 100,000. Jul 10 02:03:44 herm.. guess I'm just not smart enough to navigate the categories then :/ Jul 10 02:04:08 I like how online radio has it all laid out in an alphabetical list. Jul 10 02:04:16 Hey everybody! Jul 10 02:04:20 ew Jul 10 02:04:22 :P Jul 10 02:04:33 We have that as well. If you go down a little in the menus, you can get an alphabetical listing. Jul 10 02:04:45 ah good to know, maybe ill start using it more Jul 10 02:05:09 Most people only listen to 1 or 2 stations though. Mainly their local. Jul 10 02:05:15 So, we've got that as well. Jul 10 02:09:49 reality9110: The station I really wanted to listen to isnt on there but I guess that's not you're fault Jul 10 02:10:03 What station? Jul 10 02:10:21 99.5 life fm buffalo Jul 10 02:10:50 WMA stream Jul 10 02:11:01 WebOS doesn't have any WMA support Jul 10 02:11:10 dang it Jul 10 02:11:29 Someone's gotta conform. either my radio station or PALM cause this is UNACCEPTABLE! Jul 10 02:11:54 Ask your station to put up an mp3 or aac stream Jul 10 02:12:04 It's a heck of a lot cheaper for them to do it. Jul 10 02:12:21 It would cost Palm $800,000 a year for a Windows Media Audio codec license for the Pre and Pixi. Jul 10 02:12:37 pocket change! Jul 10 02:13:11 But, stations will often put up an mp3 stream. They are using liquidcompass as their stream provider and it's nothing for liquidcompass to switch the multicast to mp3 or aac. Jul 10 02:13:26 hmm Jul 10 02:13:41 Seriously. We've asked many stations to do it ourselves. Jul 10 02:13:45 They do flycasting now, so idk if they wish to change things up Jul 10 02:14:07 Even though its a separate dig Jul 10 02:14:15 gig* Jul 10 02:14:18 You mean the Flycast app? Jul 10 02:14:24 yea. for blackberry Jul 10 02:14:40 Yeah. They prefer mp3 Jul 10 02:20:04 Hey all Jul 10 02:21:05 Hey kesne Jul 10 02:22:27 How is everybody tonight Jul 10 02:22:36 Super tired... Jul 10 02:22:46 There's this thing called sleep Jul 10 02:22:59 I heard a rumor that it makes you un-tired Jul 10 02:23:03 Not when apps are being made Jul 10 02:23:18 Sleep is for the amatuer programmer :P Jul 10 02:23:38 Sleep is for pros who can get the job done. Jul 10 02:23:40 Like me :D Jul 10 02:23:51 I don't need to spend late nights working Jul 10 02:23:53 I'm on a deadline to get this one pushed out Jul 10 02:23:58 I spend all day working and get it done Jul 10 02:23:59 Rgr. Jul 10 02:24:13 reality9110: Well that's different Jul 10 02:24:27 <--- personal deadline ftw Jul 10 02:24:43 These are the trade offs when you partner with a company Jul 10 02:24:55 And my roll with the company just gets bigger and bigger Jul 10 02:25:00 role too Jul 10 02:25:16 roll works :P Jul 10 02:25:40 I suppose it's worth it for $15k a month Jul 10 02:26:33 I need to work where you work if you make 15k a month... Jul 10 02:26:45 I make more than that with my normal job Jul 10 02:26:58 starting to sound unbelievable :P Jul 10 02:27:07 I'm a doctor. Jul 10 02:27:09 So you make 30k + a month? Jul 10 02:27:44 More than that with the program revenue Jul 10 02:28:12 * Anivrom has concluded reality9110 is his new best friend Jul 10 02:31:07 Welp. Got to take care of the ladies. Take care folks. Jul 10 02:31:15 cya Jul 10 02:31:18 I make a total of $0 from my job Jul 10 02:31:56 I make a decent wage with my graphic design stuff on the side. Jul 10 02:32:04 but no where near 30k :( Jul 10 02:33:35 I don't have a job Jul 10 02:34:40 unfortunately I need a job to support my wife Jul 10 02:38:15 Anivrom: retail/service industry? Jul 10 02:38:28 Mhm Jul 10 02:38:36 Information Security Jul 10 02:41:22 Haha, a wife? Psh, who needs one of those? Jul 10 02:42:16 I do :P She's currently baking a cake. And just finished the dishes, and cleaned the washroom, and ... erm other stuff.. all those are needs my friend. Who else is gonna make me dinner? I'd STARVE Jul 10 02:42:28 Good point Jul 10 02:42:35 I kid I Kid. I love my wife to death and appreciate all she does. I help out sometimes too Jul 10 02:42:36 But really, that's all that women are good for Jul 10 02:42:49 You love her to death? Where do you keep her body? Jul 10 02:43:04 In the box beside the pump Jul 10 02:44:36 zsoc: question, I heard there is alot of overhead for multiple instances of the interval object, you know anything about that? I have 3 setup atm but need a couple more @ +5 seconds a piece generally. Jul 10 02:45:11 Anivrom: please define 'the interval object' Jul 10 02:45:43 mainLoopIntervalBind = setInterval(this.mainLoopIntervalBind,33); Jul 10 02:45:52 a.k.a timer Jul 10 02:45:54 right Jul 10 02:46:08 it gets messy, but no, i'm not the one to ask Jul 10 02:46:54 hmm cause I don't wanna instanciate 6 of them and kill the performance even though 5/6 are +5 seconds. don't know how webos handles timers Jul 10 02:47:05 Ask funkatron, he's got a cool name. Jul 10 02:47:12 yea totally Jul 10 02:47:39 funkatron: question, I heard there is alot of overhead for multiple instances of the interval object, you know anything about that? I have 3 setup atm but need a couple more @ +5 seconds a piece generally. Jul 10 02:48:08 like the JS interval obj? Jul 10 02:48:12 Yea. Jul 10 02:48:19 where did you hear this? Jul 10 02:48:55 funkatron: so... toejam and earl? Jul 10 02:49:01 Hmm I can't remember. let me try and find it. Jul 10 02:49:11 zsoc: very observant, 16-bit bro Jul 10 02:49:19 the best Jul 10 02:49:46 boom, shaka, boom boom shaka CLAP Jul 10 02:51:44 hey dawm Jul 10 02:52:05 dawm! Jul 10 02:52:30 funkatron: can't find it but I remember it being a reputable source. What's your experiences with large numbers of JS interval objects? Jul 10 02:52:53 I can't say that I've ever had a need to set a large number of JS intervals Jul 10 02:53:05 I suppose it depends on what you mean by a large number Jul 10 02:53:12 no i havent gotten around to testing yet kesne Jul 10 02:53:24 Ok. I'm using it for a series of random events that need to happen asynchronously inside my game Jul 10 02:53:38 say 5-10? Jul 10 02:53:53 only 1 would be @ 33ms Jul 10 02:53:53 gosh, I wouldn't think that's a crazy number. Jul 10 02:54:03 rest would be +5seconds Jul 10 02:54:14 why not just have a loop Jul 10 02:54:23 if your doing that many things Jul 10 02:54:44 I do, but I don't want a serioes of if statements inside a 30 x second loop Jul 10 02:54:56 series too Jul 10 02:54:58 then do a switch ;p Jul 10 02:55:35 there's no sleep statement in JS tho Jul 10 02:55:52 so in some situations an interval is entirely proper Jul 10 02:56:04 I'd have to call math.random numerous amounts of times inside the 3ms loop with complex code added to it. Jul 10 02:56:14 yeah, that's a terrible idea Jul 10 02:56:21 use an interval Jul 10 02:56:45 It would kill my app especially since I could easily have 20+ sprites being logically drawn at a time Jul 10 02:58:10 So 10 intervals at a time wouldn't hurt performance? Jul 10 02:58:20 I have no reason to believe it would Jul 10 02:58:32 the interval itself, that is Jul 10 02:58:46 You know what I should just create a test app that scales up over time and monitor the perf Jul 10 02:58:57 monitors? Jul 10 02:59:00 I'd do that, yes 8) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 10 02:59:56 2010