**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 11 02:59:57 2010 Jul 11 02:59:59 heh, i just had a FB friend suggestion for a Griswold... i wonder if it's chevy chase Jul 11 03:00:24 wasn't paying attention to the flyby if it happened... too ADD Jul 11 03:00:47 nah, you can't miss it Jul 11 03:01:11 brightest object in the sky besides the moon Jul 11 03:01:18 nice Jul 11 03:01:34 it would be cool if the moon would do a flyby like that Jul 11 03:01:47 besides it being the end of the world Jul 11 03:01:53 heh Jul 11 03:03:12 gah, that girl is toying with me again Jul 11 03:03:29 download fraps and post Jul 11 03:03:29 :P Jul 11 03:03:35 I KID I KID Jul 11 03:03:47 not on webcam at the moment Jul 11 03:07:04 looks like they completely disabled the review button in the app catalog Jul 11 03:07:36 hi kesne Jul 11 03:07:49 Whats up Mr. Lollis? Jul 11 03:08:19 watching my userbase trickle up Jul 11 03:08:23 very slowley Jul 11 03:08:40 only had 5 downloads yesterday, 7 so far today Jul 11 03:09:02 is it 1 dollar app? Jul 11 03:09:13 yeah Jul 11 03:09:22 well 50 cents at the moment with the sale Jul 11 03:09:30 <-- canada, no sale Jul 11 03:09:32 what does said app do? Jul 11 03:09:47 Slimphoria Tracker... tracks your diet Jul 11 03:09:55 food intake and weight tracker Jul 11 03:09:59 with reports Jul 11 03:10:12 ah, i kinda just eat whatever the hell i want haha Jul 11 03:10:15 :P Jul 11 03:10:27 * haeffb arrived, fed, ready for bed. Jul 11 03:10:31 i had to go to a low carb diet due to diabetes Jul 11 03:10:32 heh, one of my client's apps finally got in the catalog Jul 11 03:10:40 Yea I have the metabolism of a race horse. Can't gain weight for the life of me Jul 11 03:10:47 thats the only thing keeping me stuck on the diet Jul 11 03:11:03 haeffb: is the beach terrific? Jul 11 03:11:19 yea, my dad works for a healthcare company as head of IT, they produce windows, mac, iphone, backberry, etc apps and systems for stuff like that Jul 11 03:11:21 Get any programming done on the way? :P Jul 11 03:11:37 Every manga after DBZ is just a take off of DBZ Jul 11 03:11:38 oh cool Jul 11 03:11:51 Er, anima Jul 11 03:11:54 *anime Jul 11 03:12:15 they'll get like a hospital or company say "i want something my doctors/patients can use to track x and y" Jul 11 03:12:18 i did get one download from canada Jul 11 03:12:37 BigBiff: except for the thunderstorms Jul 11 03:12:41 and the dark Jul 11 03:12:49 Wolvenhaven.. i bet they pay better than the app catalog Jul 11 03:12:50 EmmettLollos: ya you missed it, all local times Jul 11 03:13:01 eww, tstorms Jul 11 03:13:05 yea EmmettLollis, but working for them is shere hell Jul 11 03:13:09 eww dark Jul 11 03:13:11 Anivrom: a little Jul 11 03:13:11 they don't understand IT at all Jul 11 03:13:24 ahh, thats one of the reasons i left the workforce Jul 11 03:13:45 well, haeffb, I trust you will do some fishing Jul 11 03:13:46 and they keep getting rid of the guys my dad hires who know what they're doing, for cheaper idiots who can't figure out a way not to program the computer to punch them in the balls Jul 11 03:13:54 BigBiff.. if it's local time i shouldn't have missed it Jul 11 03:14:10 946? Jul 11 03:14:15 1046 Jul 11 03:14:20 er 1056 Jul 11 03:14:25 my dad hasn't coded in like 15 years until he got this job, and now he spends half his time and like 5-6 hours a day at home fixing all their stupid errors Jul 11 03:14:26 oklahoma? Jul 11 03:14:29 yeah Jul 11 03:14:34 i used my zip Jul 11 03:14:44 74008 Jul 11 03:14:45 what the hell time is is anyway? Jul 11 03:14:53 2314 Jul 11 03:14:56 10:15 pm central time Jul 11 03:15:01 he's on easter time Jul 11 03:15:03 I lack the creativity to program professionally, my head would explode Jul 11 03:15:06 so 11:15 EDT Jul 11 03:15:06 easern* Jul 11 03:15:13 it's 2315 Jul 11 03:15:14 haeffb: time foe another drink Jul 11 03:15:18 for Jul 11 03:15:25 * haeffb gotta find out sunrise time here... need to try to get some pics Jul 11 03:15:35 it's 0400 or so Jul 11 03:15:50 MMMmmmmnnnn edemame!!! Jul 11 03:15:51 that's insane Jul 11 03:15:53 no wait, you're farther north than me Jul 11 03:16:05 umm... Jul 11 03:16:09 0500 maybe Jul 11 03:16:12 around there Jul 11 03:16:13 6:13 am says google Jul 11 03:16:31 6:57 from now Jul 11 03:16:41 sleep is overrated Jul 11 03:16:43 if you want pictures of it from nothing to full Jul 11 03:16:45 go out early Jul 11 03:16:59 yeah, that's what I did last time here. Jul 11 03:17:03 i've got a ton of sunset pictures Jul 11 03:17:06 i bet google's thing isn't that accurate Jul 11 03:17:11 over 5 days, had two that were really nice Jul 11 03:17:26 sugardave: agreed. 4-5 hours of sleep the past week working on this bloody app lol Jul 11 03:17:42 or, set out a camera with a "take one picture every 30s" setting, and sleep for 12 hours Jul 11 03:17:47 that's why you gotta love key west Jul 11 03:17:57 sunsets: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=209156&id=205578470831 Jul 11 03:17:58 then go pick up said camera and you have a ton of pictures Jul 11 03:18:05 sunrise, sunset in one place Jul 11 03:19:24 * BigBiff can't stop beer intake for some reason Jul 11 03:19:49 better than cigs I suppose Jul 11 03:19:53 2007 SC at the same place we're at now: Jul 11 03:19:55 http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/SCSunrises Jul 11 03:20:26 sweet Jul 11 03:21:00 through the grass shot is nice Jul 11 03:21:42 that's my feet & wife's feet in the last one Jul 11 03:22:37 what's the preferred bait this week? Jul 11 03:22:52 squid? shrimp? Jul 11 03:23:11 I probably won't do any fishing at all... Jul 11 03:23:21 aww Jul 11 03:23:51 sorry to disappoint... : Jul 11 03:23:53 :) Jul 11 03:24:01 live shrimp ftw is a guarantee Jul 11 03:24:14 I overfished in my 20's and got burned out Jul 11 03:24:20 hehe Jul 11 03:24:24 wow Jul 11 03:24:57 I underfished my 20s Jul 11 03:26:14 EmmettLollis: I know 2 schools in OK. broken arrow and owasso Jul 11 03:27:09 high schools that is Jul 11 03:27:52 i apologize for saying tupid things Jul 11 03:27:55 stupid Jul 11 03:28:03 oh. me too. Jul 11 03:28:13 in advance. Jul 11 03:28:36 was wasted earlier saying who knows what Jul 11 03:28:54 haeffb: how is SC? Jul 11 03:29:06 rainy Jul 11 03:29:24 all the time? Jul 11 03:29:58 LoneStar99: enjoy the game? Jul 11 03:30:03 BigBiff.. cool i'm right by those Jul 11 03:30:10 I was a bit sad Jul 11 03:30:17 yeah, was the only dude there Jul 11 03:30:18 heh Jul 11 03:30:26 lol Jul 11 03:30:28 what game? Jul 11 03:30:35 futbol Jul 11 03:30:44 germany - uraguay Jul 11 03:30:44 This full size image cannot be displayed here. You can view it in a browser. Jul 11 03:30:49 why do i even try anymore Jul 11 03:30:50 why Jul 11 03:31:03 hehe Jul 11 03:31:23 BigBiff: i was wasted earlier Jul 11 03:31:30 had some jager shots Jul 11 03:31:31 nice Jul 11 03:31:38 not nice Jul 11 03:31:44 lol Jul 11 03:31:45 jager, wow Jul 11 03:31:58 to be in college again.... Jul 11 03:32:42 that's like the acid of booze Jul 11 03:33:17 err. the woodstock 'brown acid' Jul 11 03:33:22 in college i loved goldslager Jul 11 03:33:40 ya, equally brutal Jul 11 03:34:01 yeah Jul 11 03:34:13 aftershock ftl Jul 11 03:34:34 never have had aftershook\ Jul 11 03:34:49 Ugh I overdosed on goldschlager and now I feel like throwing up when I taste it Jul 11 03:35:12 same with fireball whiskey Jul 11 03:35:45 fireball whiskey what is that? Jul 11 03:36:35 idk, must be a canadian only thing. Its basically cinnammon whiskey Jul 11 03:36:39 same as gs Jul 11 03:37:43 nice GS makes people men or women Jul 11 03:39:07 adjusting canvas sprites is so tedious, 195 pixels... too far left... 190 pixels ... too far right... etc etc etc Jul 11 03:39:30 hmm... can the emulator be rotated? Jul 11 03:39:34 Negative Jul 11 03:39:49 * dohtem|desk cries out in agony Jul 11 03:40:15 dohtem|desk: tell me about it, my game is landscape only, have to test it on the pre. Jul 11 03:40:19 Anivrom: not so sure about that. Jul 11 03:40:34 you can edit the config files for VB...might be able to fake it Jul 11 03:40:42 haeffb: I don't think he means simulator orientation changes Jul 11 03:40:53 simulating* Jul 11 03:40:55 yes, I know Jul 11 03:41:14 woh Jul 11 03:41:16 you can simulate orientation changes Jul 11 03:41:20 oh. Cause that would be lovely if I could get VB in landscape Jul 11 03:41:26 f6, f7, f8, f9 Jul 11 03:41:50 you on Windows? Jul 11 03:41:54 7 yea Jul 11 03:43:05 in your user folder there is a .Virtual-Box directory Jul 11 03:43:05 .VirtualBox Jul 11 03:43:09 .VirtualBox/Machines/SDK 1.x.x.xxxxxx Jul 11 03:43:22 yea Jul 11 03:43:47 you can edit that XML file to change the resolution. Jul 11 03:43:56 probably want to make a backup first Jul 11 03:44:08 and don't have VB running when you change it or it will overwrite your changes. Jul 11 03:45:10 but I don't know what happens if you change resolution & then do the f7, f8, etc Jul 11 03:45:34 haeffb: we're about to find out :P Jul 11 03:46:13 Jul 11 03:46:14 Jul 11 03:46:25 Hmm that would suggest its already an option.. Jul 11 03:48:04 perhaps, but don't know how to change it to mode2 Jul 11 03:48:12 it overwrites it regardless of it being open or not./ Jul 11 03:48:15 but if you swap those values.... Jul 11 03:48:17 -/ Jul 11 03:48:32 a hot CEO girl wants to pen a handwritten letter to me Jul 11 03:48:53 very unuseual Jul 11 03:49:08 Anivrom: I have changed resolution successfully... was using like 800x600 for a while Jul 11 03:49:40 EmmettLollis: nice Jul 11 03:50:08 haeffb: did you go to the beach at all? Jul 11 03:50:14 I'd have to restart anyways since I get this bug on my comp lately that freezes up flash like youtube and freezes up teh loading scripts on VB Jul 11 03:52:01 EmmettLollis: 5 minutes Jul 11 03:52:12 Oooh, thanks Jul 11 03:52:16 i forgot Jul 11 03:52:32 ritalin Jul 11 03:52:37 :p Jul 11 03:53:55 never been on meds for that Jul 11 03:54:42 heh, I just drink Jul 11 03:54:43 LoneStar99: didn't get to the house until almost dark. Jul 11 03:55:13 the beach is just outside the sliding door from my bedroom Jul 11 03:55:14 haeffb: you can go skinny dipping Jul 11 03:55:25 one minute Jul 11 03:55:25 walked down to the water and back a while ago Jul 11 03:55:40 * dkirker dances Jul 11 03:55:50 just haul ass to the beach and back Jul 11 03:56:00 dkirker: get the dashboard working? Jul 11 03:56:16 haeffb: yes. noWindow: true is a key value here :) Jul 11 03:56:32 I am cleaning up the code since things now work differently :/ Jul 11 03:56:46 dkirker: I hate doing that. Jul 11 03:57:03 haeffb: dashboard is that the same as command menu? Jul 11 03:57:04 ah, yes it is Jul 11 03:57:19 LoneStar99: no, dashboard is the notification system in webOS Jul 11 03:57:24 It seems that with the way that things work now, I cannot use $('objectName') Jul 11 03:57:43 dkirker: that is also correct. Jul 11 03:58:04 haeffb: ok the popup stuff when a person gets the message? Jul 11 03:58:16 * haeffb has never used $('myObj') Jul 11 03:58:30 because I heard early on that it won't work if you go multi-stage Jul 11 03:58:51 yeah, big pain Jul 11 03:58:51 b Jul 11 03:58:52 u Jul 11 03:58:52 t Jul 11 03:58:59 egh... Jul 11 03:59:15 but, things are getting cleaned up and slowly working again :) Jul 11 03:59:16 find and replace FTW Jul 11 03:59:19 yeah have been using "this.controller.get" Jul 11 03:59:25 PING 036450683 Jul 11 03:59:40 shhh Jul 11 03:59:52 F6, F7, F8, F9 will work. awkward tho Jul 11 04:00:00 hi sugardave Jul 11 04:00:01 sorry for the ping. Jul 11 04:00:02 lol... oops. accidentally rendered a card scene in the dashboard stage... Jul 11 04:00:14 dkirker: heh, how'd that work out? Jul 11 04:00:51 BigBiff i caught the tail end, thanks Jul 11 04:01:00 cool Jul 11 04:01:20 sugardave: I have a method that returned the stage controller of the active stage, and well, apparently I called the command to build the dashboard stage at the wrong time, so the card and dashboard stage existed together... Jul 11 04:01:44 sugardave: i think reality90210 is pissed at me for taking shit Jul 11 04:01:58 lol @ 90210 Jul 11 04:02:07 hehe Jul 11 04:02:34 that is his handle Jul 11 04:03:01 * oil just got a support email with an attachment Jul 11 04:03:02 what did you take? Jul 11 04:03:14 a video of some kids dancing Jul 11 04:03:23 hi kesne Jul 11 04:03:25 oil: I've gotten a few of those Jul 11 04:03:28 Hey all! Jul 11 04:03:34 dkirker especially1 Jul 11 04:03:35 *! Jul 11 04:03:36 took nothing other than LoneStar Jul 11 04:03:43 sugardave: dkirker's issue is what I was worried about earlier... :) Jul 11 04:04:57 what needs to happen, is the new stage needs to be created when the old one is destroyed Jul 11 04:05:09 :O Jul 11 04:05:13 Uh oh! Jul 11 04:05:17 ah ah ah ah stayin' alive Jul 11 04:05:19 not the new one created when the dialpad scene is deactivated Jul 11 04:05:54 sugardave: You should be webos-info Jul 11 04:05:58 haeffb: I've been worried about whether I need to care that I can't secure my oauther consumer secret Jul 11 04:06:07 oauth, even Jul 11 04:06:19 kesne: no thanks :D Jul 11 04:06:41 sugardave: yes! You should. Jul 11 04:06:45 Watch, you'll be great! Jul 11 04:06:50 sugardave: pie Jul 11 04:07:26 Uncaught Reference Jul 11 04:07:29 oh Jul 11 04:07:31 too bad Jul 11 04:07:38 sugardave: :( Jul 11 04:07:45 Hey all! Jul 11 04:08:27 who owns oauth? Jul 11 04:08:38 nobody owns oauth Jul 11 04:08:54 what happens to a bot that everybody ignores? Jul 11 04:09:27 it's like that tree in the forest Jul 11 04:09:36 is it even there? Jul 11 04:09:36 if lightning strikes it, it will catch on fire Jul 11 04:09:37 Nobody can hear you scream? Jul 11 04:10:21 * haeffb going to try to get some sleep.... 5am is coming up soon. Jul 11 04:10:27 but it didn't catch on fire if no one saw it happen Jul 11 04:10:36 have a good one haeffb Jul 11 04:10:41 night Jul 11 04:10:42 * webos-info is a bot! Jul 11 04:10:42 bed for me Jul 11 04:11:06 later BigBiff_pre Jul 11 04:11:12 sugardave: i cannot climb a tree naked, cuss I would be arrested Jul 11 04:11:13 webos-info: bed Jul 11 04:11:22 imo the tree makes a sound if someone is there to hear it or not Jul 11 04:11:22 hehe Jul 11 04:11:27 later Jul 11 04:11:41 LoneStar99: and possibly injured Jul 11 04:11:45 bed is something that non-programmers lay in. Jul 11 04:11:48 unless it's in space Jul 11 04:11:53 then it wouldn't Jul 11 04:12:00 but its hard to grow trees there Jul 11 04:12:21 sugardave: yeah, but was a trained monkey back in Nam Jul 11 04:12:22 EmmettLollis: what if the vacuum of space caused the sound to occur in an alternate dimension Jul 11 04:12:26 * webos-info dances on table to get attention Jul 11 04:12:44 sugardave i stand corrected Jul 11 04:13:16 * webos-info hates kesne Jul 11 04:13:21 EmmettLollis: freaking vacuum is awesome Jul 11 04:13:24 Kesne is a developer for Brighthouse Lab Jul 11 04:13:36 my lack of design skills is hindering my app progress right now Jul 11 04:13:36 Kesne: yeah Jul 11 04:13:45 webos-info: sugardave Jul 11 04:14:22 my lack of sales is hindering my app progress Jul 11 04:14:38 is kesne really brighthouse labs? Jul 11 04:14:43 NO Jul 11 04:14:45 LoneStar99: probably Jul 11 04:15:06 lol Jul 11 04:15:25 I work for Keen Studios Jul 11 04:15:28 Er, I own it Jul 11 04:15:32 http://keen-studios.net Jul 11 04:15:56 (a subsidiary of Brighthouse Labs) Jul 11 04:16:19 kesne: do you own a part of BrightHouse Labs? Jul 11 04:16:24 Not at all Jul 11 04:16:26 lol Jul 11 04:16:29 I own nothing in BHL Jul 11 04:16:36 I've sent 20 angry emails at their CEO Jul 11 04:16:40 lol Jul 11 04:16:42 Actually, 22 Jul 11 04:17:01 heh, check out the google suggestion when you type brighthouse labs Jul 11 04:17:18 The latest one is about the app updates Jul 11 04:17:28 I told him to not update, because it's not like anybody cares Jul 11 04:18:07 Working with Brighthouse Labs is more than just a job for our team. Every day we work on exciting projects that will enrich the lives of people whose needs might otherwise be considered too niche to warrant an app Jul 11 04:18:09 hmm...surprisingly AppBookShop's site looks remarkably similar, iirc Jul 11 04:19:49 EmmettLollis: is kinda the same as "save this poor ass little" obama and everything will be alright? Jul 11 04:20:07 yes i think so Jul 11 04:21:26 $20 says that BHL is run out of somebody's garage Jul 11 04:21:36 Never would I be racist, but arizona is Jul 11 04:21:42 contrary to this statement: Brighthouse Labs employees receive competitive compensation, benefits and opportunities for training and career advancement. Plus, employees enjoy a great quality of life living in beautiful Victoria, Canada where our offices are located. Jul 11 04:21:54 i'll see that $20 and raise you $100 Jul 11 04:22:03 I'll match you Jul 11 04:22:21 oh wait, we're betting along with each other Jul 11 04:22:24 that doesn't work Jul 11 04:22:28 Sure it does! Jul 11 04:22:32 kesne: do not mock it, or you will become it Jul 11 04:22:35 I know AppBookShop is in Canada, too Jul 11 04:22:37 It's a win-win Jul 11 04:22:41 wait, i'll bet that it's ran out of his bathroom Jul 11 04:22:44 It's also lose-lose Jul 11 04:22:53 LoneStar99: Will not! Jul 11 04:22:59 hmm, I bet they're the same spamming bastard Jul 11 04:23:36 They have hundreds of applcations, and I have 3 Jul 11 04:23:43 Two of which I'm removing Jul 11 04:23:51 sugardave: brighthouse is like walmart of apps Jul 11 04:23:52 Because I feel like they are spam Jul 11 04:24:12 Brighthouse is like the crappy saturday market of apps. Jul 11 04:25:02 Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Jul 11 04:25:07 HOLY SHI_ Jul 11 04:25:10 er, shi- Jul 11 04:25:13 SAME PEOPLE! :O Jul 11 04:25:19 its like the flea market Jul 11 04:25:23 SOMEBODY TIP P|C! Jul 11 04:25:28 Lollis: same thing Jul 11 04:25:32 true Jul 11 04:25:44 In portland, we have the Saturday Market, POS Jul 11 04:25:54 Though, I technically live in a suburb of portland, Tigard Jul 11 04:26:26 Though technically I don't even live there, I live in unincorperated washington county Jul 11 04:26:27 in tulsa we have a giant flea market.. it's literally a dump Jul 11 04:26:37 neighbors have called police on the trash Jul 11 04:26:55 I like where I love Jul 11 04:26:57 *live Jul 11 04:27:06 in mexico there is a a market called death Jul 11 04:27:23 we just had a plane crash here Jul 11 04:27:38 like just now? Jul 11 04:27:51 Plane Crash? Jul 11 04:27:56 Lost-esque? Jul 11 04:28:05 Go up to it and tell them that this isn't their island Jul 11 04:28:08 EmmettLollis: like a small plane or an airliner? Jul 11 04:28:16 "This is our island" Jul 11 04:28:20 - Mr Friendly Jul 11 04:28:46 twin engine cessna (they think) Jul 11 04:28:49 still early Jul 11 04:29:08 crashed pretty much at the zoo Jul 11 04:29:09 Can you see it? Jul 11 04:29:13 Uh oh! Jul 11 04:29:14 did the plane make it? Jul 11 04:29:15 LOOK OUT Jul 11 04:29:18 BEHIND YOU Jul 11 04:29:26 its on the north side of tulsa, i'm on south Jul 11 04:29:32 IT'S A TIGER! Jul 11 04:29:35 FROM THE ZOOOOOOOO Jul 11 04:29:41 i doubt they made it if it hit that area,, nothing but woods Jul 11 04:29:46 * kesne get's his let bitten off Jul 11 04:30:14 EmmettLollis: You're an okay person :) Jul 11 04:30:15 he is a drug affliliate Jul 11 04:30:37 the drugs are on north side Jul 11 04:30:55 that means i have to do a lot of driving Jul 11 04:31:01 Haha! Jul 11 04:31:11 Lucky for me, there are resellers close to me Jul 11 04:31:16 In fact, just a few houses down Jul 11 04:31:38 yeah they landed on the scottsdale hills Jul 11 04:32:29 jk, the only drug we use is Webos Jul 11 04:32:43 I only do mild drugs Jul 11 04:32:45 Like meth Jul 11 04:33:30 me too, meth and pints of vodka Jul 11 04:33:41 Hehe Jul 11 04:33:45 God I love this show Jul 11 04:33:55 Is it weird that I watch DBZ? Jul 11 04:34:21 Nah Jul 11 04:34:38 WOO HOO! Jul 11 04:34:41 Awe man Jul 11 04:34:47 Hey, you should all subscribe to me! Jul 11 04:34:54 webos-info: pie Jul 11 04:35:03 meth is god Jul 11 04:35:09 * webos-info sings "She's my cherry pie!" Jul 11 04:35:13 Hah! Jul 11 04:35:19 Good ol' webOS info! Jul 11 04:36:02 meth is like a leader finding god Jul 11 04:36:41 meth isn't that bad Jul 11 04:36:44 it doesn't mess you up Jul 11 04:36:55 Oral Roberts is a leader - taking most people to hell Jul 11 04:37:07 Oral Jul 11 04:37:09 Haha Jul 11 04:37:10 Meth is awesome Jul 11 04:37:20 Where is CTLAdvance? Jul 11 04:37:45 meth is magic Jul 11 04:38:03 webos-info meth Jul 11 04:38:16 gah i hate software that wont let go Jul 11 04:38:16 Meth is Magic. Or god. Jul 11 04:38:26 freaking babylon spyware Jul 11 04:38:56 I need to shave Jul 11 04:38:59 I look like a mexican Jul 11 04:40:58 God is gonna save us all Jul 11 04:41:25 gah, had to delete about 30 registry keys AFTER uninstalling Jul 11 04:41:31 god is meth. Meth is god. God will save us with meth. Jul 11 04:41:34 but we need to be ready to give the gate some cash Jul 11 04:42:23 how much cash or cocaine do we give the saints? Jul 11 04:42:44 At least 2 lbs Jul 11 04:43:36 they like kilos Jul 11 04:43:43 i think it's been upped to 30 kilos Jul 11 04:43:45 We're in america Jul 11 04:43:55 How do you guys get around game databases and the fact that anyone can open it and edit the contents? Jul 11 04:44:00 Hell, we don't even know what kilos are Jul 11 04:44:16 Anivrom: What do you mean? Jul 11 04:44:18 kilobytes Jul 11 04:44:32 1024 bytes Jul 11 04:44:38 i bits to a byte Jul 11 04:44:40 8 Jul 11 04:45:00 If I create a database of character info, it sits on the device. someone can internalz that to the media partition open it on desktop and edit the contents correct? or is it encrypted by palm Jul 11 04:45:16 Anivrom: will get you consultant that knows everything Jul 11 04:45:25 Oh I'm sure they can edit it Jul 11 04:45:29 but why would they? Jul 11 04:45:33 he works for BP Jul 11 04:45:44 my app is going to have World rankings Jul 11 04:45:49 but its a perpetual game Jul 11 04:45:58 Push frequently Jul 11 04:46:03 Guess I'll have to encrypt the data myself Jul 11 04:46:13 Don't keep it on the device Jul 11 04:46:18 Never trust the user Jul 11 04:46:35 It has to be local since if the server fails they wont be able to play the game . Jul 11 04:46:47 Why? Jul 11 04:46:59 CAuse they wont be able to get their character info.. Jul 11 04:47:09 If it fails, retry Jul 11 04:47:17 Store user info in a cookie Jul 11 04:47:20 Maybe I decide to stop hosting Jul 11 04:47:41 What's the chance somebody will open up internals, check out your app database, and change values Jul 11 04:47:52 God will save us Jul 11 04:48:03 umm... big chance im sure. Jul 11 04:48:12 Trust me, there isn't Jul 11 04:48:13 we will be saved\ Jul 11 04:48:15 anyways not a big deal I'll just create an encryption algorithm. Jul 11 04:48:27 And encrypt before saving to depot Jul 11 04:48:52 My app, checkers, is bigger than your app will probably be (no disrespect or ego intended) but nobody's opened it up Jul 11 04:49:12 For a while my twitter password was stored in the code, until I removed it and changed my password Jul 11 04:49:20 but for months it sat in the app, and nothing happened Jul 11 04:49:21 Of course not.. its checkers Jul 11 04:49:24 Jesus is saving us from the taliban Jul 11 04:49:35 Anivrom: but it's hugely popular Jul 11 04:49:55 But its just checkers.. there is barely any info to merit opening it up Jul 11 04:50:17 Unless your game is something completely new and delivers PDK-level graphics with CSS and DOM, I doubt somebody will open it up Jul 11 04:50:31 Checkers uses quite complex AI Jul 11 04:50:42 It also contains so many hints in the code Jul 11 04:50:52 I leave them there because nobody see's them Jul 11 04:51:06 Anivrom: Let's say that 0/300000 people have opened my code Jul 11 04:51:07 Let Jul 11 04:51:20 Er, let's double that, just to be safe, so still 0/300000 Jul 11 04:51:31 Let's say your app gets 1,000,000,000,000 downloads Jul 11 04:51:55 Based on the ratio in my app, a total of 0 people will open your app :D Jul 11 04:52:51 Jul 11 04:53:04 Besides Math.Bad() logic I'll just encrypt to be safe Jul 11 04:53:23 :D Jul 11 04:53:38 Anivrom: What is your app, anyways? Jul 11 04:53:47 And are you releasing it to the homebrew community Jul 11 04:54:04 Check the catalogue in about 4 weeks and you'll see it lol Jul 11 04:54:28 Based on my experience, tripple the number of weeks you gave me and that's the accurate number Jul 11 04:54:33 See you three months! :D Jul 11 04:55:17 Doubt it will be even 6 weeks at this pace. Workin on it for 4-5 hours a night. Jul 11 04:55:32 Hah, that's what I said about Checkers Jul 11 04:55:35 Since I don't know html/css/javascript/mojo i gotta learn as I go Jul 11 04:55:42 Hah Jul 11 04:55:51 Don't take offense but checkers is relatively easy coding :/ Jul 11 04:55:56 Actually, I can pump out apps suprisingly fast Jul 11 04:56:10 Anivrom: open up my code and youll beg to differ Jul 11 04:56:16 send the source Jul 11 04:56:25 Grab it from your device, pansy Jul 11 04:56:35 far too lazy for that :P Jul 11 04:56:52 Hah Jul 11 04:56:57 I gotta learn how to use depot now :P afk Jul 11 04:57:05 Anivrom: It takes work to make a game work online Jul 11 04:57:10 It's a complicated beast Jul 11 04:57:18 I used ARRAYS :O Jul 11 04:57:26 I'm a fast learner :) Jul 11 04:57:42 So am I :D Jul 11 04:57:51 Super! Jul 11 04:57:53 sour cream and mayo with swiss on a low carb wheat tortilla... i'm officially out of good food Jul 11 04:57:55 I released a webOS app a day after getting the leaked SDK Jul 11 04:58:10 Released four the first week Jul 11 04:58:15 To homebrew, that is Jul 11 04:58:17 Ok this is quickly turning into an egofest. afk Jul 11 04:58:57 Egofest = win Jul 11 05:00:28 Theres a snake in mah boot! Jul 11 05:01:08 :P woody was kinda gay but Buzz light year was a prick... I personally like the sarcasm of mr.potatohead Jul 11 05:01:41 Anivrom is an idiot Jul 11 05:01:43 I hate him Jul 11 05:02:03 schitzophrenic much? Jul 11 05:02:11 No? Jul 11 05:02:31 yes/no Jul 11 05:02:44 You mean dissociative identity disorder? Jul 11 05:02:49 Aka split personalities? Jul 11 05:03:08 Which is not linked to schizophrenia? Jul 11 05:06:44 who am i? Jul 11 05:07:10 and why did i marry my ex? Jul 11 05:07:24 Lollis: she was hawt? Jul 11 05:07:25 Duh Jul 11 05:07:38 not anymore Jul 11 05:07:55 i looked at her facebook last night Jul 11 05:08:00 Hah Jul 11 05:08:03 she went from 29 to 59 Jul 11 05:08:08 Hehe... what a creep Jul 11 05:08:35 thats what happens when you use people as a way of life Jul 11 05:09:22 Lollis: I found you on facebook, almost added you Jul 11 05:09:24 we got divorced last january, she was remarried 3 days after our annivesary in sept Jul 11 05:09:27 Then I deleted my facebook Jul 11 05:09:36 I love finding dudes online Jul 11 05:09:40 why delete your facebook? Jul 11 05:09:50 its a great marketing tool Jul 11 05:09:54 I agree Jul 11 05:10:07 at least 10% maybe 20% of my sales came from fb Jul 11 05:10:08 But it was consuming all of my time Jul 11 05:10:21 Lollis: so what, 2-3 sales? Jul 11 05:10:32 how did you guess? Jul 11 05:10:34 heh Jul 11 05:10:50 What's your job? Jul 11 05:10:53 i'm up to 39 now Jul 11 05:10:59 Nice Jul 11 05:11:00 job? Jul 11 05:11:04 whats a job Jul 11 05:11:12 I think I surpassed 301000 today Jul 11 05:11:27 i actually had to leave my job to take care of my mom, she lost her leg Jul 11 05:11:39 but i would have left that job anywya Jul 11 05:11:42 anyway Jul 11 05:11:42 EmmettLollis: =( Jul 11 05:11:56 Lollis: That sucks bro Jul 11 05:12:16 diabetitis? Jul 11 05:12:39 yes Jul 11 05:12:58 :( Jul 11 05:13:02 My sisters father recentlydied of diebeties, he had no legs and a few organs missing Jul 11 05:13:05 and she still wont adjust her eating Jul 11 05:13:21 over 20 years on dialisis. Jul 11 05:13:25 eveyr.... day Jul 11 05:13:26 damn Jul 11 05:13:38 suprisingly her kidneys are supposedly in good shape Jul 11 05:13:49 thats a good thing. Jul 11 05:14:25 EmmettLollis: very simple, she wants to live like she does, and nothing will ever change her Jul 11 05:14:37 yeah, i see that Jul 11 05:14:48 i was like that when i got it for about a year Jul 11 05:14:50 EmmettLollis: I have an idea: you should kill your ex Jul 11 05:15:11 is that a unix command kesne? Jul 11 05:15:23 ... no? Jul 11 05:15:28 I'm confused Jul 11 05:15:41 there is a kill command in unix Jul 11 05:15:46 to kill processes Jul 11 05:15:49 EmmettLollis: kesne you take a unix command Jul 11 05:16:03 kill to kill a process Jul 11 05:16:26 I woulnd't know Jul 11 05:16:30 Not a unix nut Jul 11 05:16:37 I use windows and mac Jul 11 05:16:43 And only really basic shtuff Jul 11 05:16:45 me either, but had to port some unix apps once Jul 11 05:16:49 lol. I got my sun microsystems unix certificate years ago but I have forgot almost all of it now Jul 11 05:16:55 i ported this one... www.thinanywhere.com Jul 11 05:17:24 that was my last good paying contract Jul 11 05:17:43 Lollis: what's up with you and diet stuff Jul 11 05:18:21 eh, i dont want to lose my leg like mom so i had no choice... its a good motivation Jul 11 05:18:37 tulsa world was going to do a story on me but i haven't heard from them in a while Jul 11 05:19:02 www.emmettlollis.com/bbarticle.jpg <-- story about me Jul 11 05:19:02 Ah Jul 11 05:19:06 That's cool man Jul 11 05:19:59 i threw a remark about my ex in the interview Jul 11 05:20:11 I really really don't want to read that much Jul 11 05:20:13 :) Jul 11 05:20:24 Hey, my mom is coming home in 10 minutes! Jul 11 05:20:59 where was she? Jul 11 05:21:08 In Texas Jul 11 05:22:12 cool Jul 11 05:22:29 For work Jul 11 05:23:36 Arg Jul 11 05:23:51 so it's good or bad that shes coming home? Jul 11 05:24:08 It's good! Jul 11 05:24:11 I love my parents Jul 11 05:24:15 They buy me stuff! Jul 11 05:24:32 haha sweet Jul 11 05:24:51 .... Jul 11 05:24:54 It's time Jul 11 05:24:57 DUN DUN DUN! Jul 11 05:25:04 It's pink! That's positive! Jul 11 05:25:09 She's pregnant! Jul 11 05:25:41 who is Jul 11 05:25:50 I'm watching TV Jul 11 05:25:53 oh Jul 11 05:25:57 Lost Jul 11 05:26:03 Sun is preggers Jul 11 05:26:09 you dont know what show it is? Jul 11 05:26:10 Jin is the father Jul 11 05:26:14 but we don't know that yet Jul 11 05:26:22 The show is Lost :P Jul 11 05:26:30 why is the show lost? Jul 11 05:26:45 ugh Jul 11 05:26:51 webos-info: gun Jul 11 05:27:01 gun is pewpew pewpew Jul 11 05:27:06 Cool Jul 11 05:28:21 webos-info: shoot EmmettLollis Jul 11 05:28:34 * EmmettLollis shoots webos-info Jul 11 05:28:39 i win! Jul 11 05:28:41 * webos-info shoots EmmettLollis. PEW PEW! Jul 11 05:28:47 YARG! Jul 11 05:28:50 I've been hit! Jul 11 05:28:59 NO! WebOS-INFO! Jul 11 05:29:03 NOOOOO! Jul 11 05:29:10 * webos-info dies Jul 11 05:29:21 * kesne cries Jul 11 05:30:58 Do I have to create an appassistant manually? Jul 11 05:31:09 Anivrom: yes Jul 11 05:31:14 Any coding pro knows that Jul 11 05:31:25 Guess I'm not a coding pro then :) Jul 11 05:31:40 snap Jul 11 05:31:50 torchie: shut up Jul 11 05:31:57 <3 Jul 11 05:33:36 Anivrom: I think the palm tool automates adding a new scene, creating it's assistant and adding them to sources.json Jul 11 05:33:50 <--- Ares IDE Jul 11 05:33:57 ah Jul 11 05:34:09 ignore me then :) Jul 11 05:34:12 ARES!? Jul 11 05:34:15 lol thanks though Jul 11 05:34:15 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Jul 11 05:34:22 <-- uses Ares Jul 11 05:34:31 What a bunch of losers! Jul 11 05:34:38 <-- Kidding Jul 11 05:34:42 Its been predicted Ares will take over teh world in 5 years. Jul 11 05:34:47 Ares is handy for little apps Jul 11 05:34:47 its a trade off Jul 11 05:34:50 Like skynet. Jul 11 05:34:53 haha Jul 11 05:34:58 yeah kesne you are one of the losers Jul 11 05:35:02 ares more like awesomeres Jul 11 05:35:12 I don't use Ares, I'm hard core Jul 11 05:35:20 I use custom everything, so Ares isn't for me Jul 11 05:35:25 i like the gui but it was hard to get answers for issues Jul 11 05:35:34 debugger is great Jul 11 05:35:35 Ares is fantastic for ppl that come from a background of visual designtime ide such as flash and .net Jul 11 05:35:37 i love the meth Jul 11 05:35:41 debugging Mojo apps = suicide Jul 11 05:35:57 +1 Jul 11 05:36:51 So any objects I declare in app-assistant should be visible to all my scenes/js files in my app correct? Jul 11 05:37:16 in the scene assistant they are Jul 11 05:37:43 I've never used app assistant Jul 11 05:37:51 not sure about inside the prototypes Jul 11 05:37:51 hmm.. so my background scene can access the info from my main scene? and any scenes I push while the main scene is open for that matter Jul 11 05:37:56 <-- only person to make a multi-stage app without app assistant Jul 11 05:37:56 i just made globals Jul 11 05:37:58 if you want global objects, you can use a seperate.js and include it in sources.json Jul 11 05:38:46 i was never able to access info from another scene unless i passed it in the activate() method Jul 11 05:39:06 or just do globals Jul 11 05:39:14 Actually my main assistant is pretty much blank but my game.js has 95% of the code. so I should be able to declare objects in the game.js constructor and be viewed in any scene I push / create? Jul 11 05:39:17 Hey, want to know how to make multi-stage apps without app-assistant? Jul 11 05:39:19 You can't! Jul 11 05:39:30 But I did Jul 11 05:39:40 That's cause yo'ure the best programmer in the world kesne Jul 11 05:39:48 No Jul 11 05:39:51 We should actually be prostrate right now Jul 11 05:39:53 It's because I messed up so bad Jul 11 05:40:08 I have no idea how my code works, it just does Jul 11 05:40:14 I'm much more of a UI gut Jul 11 05:40:15 lol Jul 11 05:40:16 *guy Jul 11 05:40:17 A.K.A holy code Jul 11 05:40:21 I'm pretty good at CSS too Jul 11 05:40:30 I make KSO icons with CSS Jul 11 05:40:51 i had to put all my css in the main scene html file... i had it working from the CSS then i broke it somehow Jul 11 05:41:04 but if it works it works Jul 11 05:41:11 random breaks = win :) Jul 11 05:41:35 I don't use external css files Jul 11 05:41:38 I use style="" Jul 11 05:43:50 Man that guys ego is extremely annoying sometimes :/ Jul 11 05:45:02 style="" ain't cool business Jul 11 05:45:19 althought necessary sometimes Jul 11 05:45:26 although maybe? Jul 11 05:45:31 yeah Jul 11 05:45:52 Anivrom: do not ever say that, you have no idea what it is to try Jul 11 05:46:13 LoneStar99: sorry? Jul 11 05:46:45 i couldn't get style= to work Jul 11 05:47:04 LoneStar99: what did I say again? Jul 11 05:47:05 you can assign style classes in Ares and i coudn't get that to work either Jul 11 05:47:05 Anivrom: what you trying to make better? Jul 11 05:47:45 this.controller.get('cmdProfile').style.position = "fixed"; works for me Jul 11 05:48:48 Anivrom: ok cool\ Jul 11 05:49:06 LoneStar99: you're not really making sense :P Jul 11 05:49:11 cool Jul 11 05:49:39 Anivrom: do not ever say that, you have no idea what it is to try - what did I say again? Jul 11 05:49:53 Anivrom: Thankyou Jul 11 05:50:00 http://i.imgur.com/JEcO1.jpg -- lmao Jul 11 05:50:10 have had to many pints Jul 11 05:50:27 haha thats just wrong Jul 11 05:50:31 don't drink and irc :O Jul 11 05:51:20 Anivrom: i enjoy my drinks Jul 11 05:51:43 LoneStar99: I love a good beer myself. Jul 11 05:52:11 Anivrom: so what you saying? Jul 11 05:52:21 LoneStar99: we should go have a beer sometime Jul 11 05:53:11 I will tell you a think or two Jul 11 05:53:58 hah, android has death Jul 11 05:54:15 Anivrom: was with Palm before you knew what a palm was. Jul 11 05:54:17 WIN DEATH when your app buggs out Jul 11 05:54:41 ok must learn phonegap now Jul 11 05:54:45 must focus Jul 11 05:54:54 LoneStar99: most likely. I've had a tungsten T2 for about 5 years Jul 11 05:55:03 yeah I started with the zire Jul 11 05:55:07 mass youngun Jul 11 05:55:26 Love my tungsten. that thing could multitask music and the hundreds of apps I had on it Jul 11 05:55:28 easily Jul 11 05:55:41 I could compile C code on the zire Jul 11 05:55:49 and then run it Jul 11 05:55:50 on the zire Jul 11 05:55:58 what's the deal, where is that for modern stuff Jul 11 05:57:00 I started when Palm was Handspring Jul 11 05:57:22 Ares Beautify is amazing Jul 11 06:01:22 Anivrom: hello trying to make magic Jul 11 06:02:40 LoneStar99: What kind of beer are you drinking? Jul 11 06:03:56 * sugardave tames the onerous RichTextEdit widget. Jul 11 06:04:18 Anivrom: Lonestar Jul 11 06:05:39 Anivrom: not trying to be rude, but it is lonestar Jul 11 06:05:56 oh never heard of it Jul 11 06:06:42 wow. I just found out you can use animated Gifs in your apps and they will animate... that makes making games fairly easy if you're going the DOM route... Jul 11 06:08:15 Anivrom: do it Jul 11 06:08:24 I'm using canvas Jul 11 06:08:50 Which I regret now :P alot more coding hassle Jul 11 06:09:05 Although it would prolly be alot slower to use animated gifs Jul 11 06:09:16 haved used canvas too, but leaving it Jul 11 06:09:41 going to make an IM Jul 11 06:10:27 it is already built Jul 11 06:12:21 this is a very interesting tool.. debug accelerometer data Jul 11 06:12:24 http://github.com/yoheishimomae/PhoneGapSimulator/downloads Jul 11 06:13:15 someone should make an irish app for any phone with an accelerometer Jul 11 06:13:27 it involves miming drinking a beer, and miming slapping your wife Jul 11 06:13:34 it'd be a best seller Jul 11 06:14:10 then clone it Jul 11 06:14:12 Wolvenhaven: you an irish man? Jul 11 06:14:21 no Jul 11 06:14:51 my guinness gave me the idea Jul 11 06:15:14 you been to st . james gate? Jul 11 06:15:39 yea Jul 11 06:15:49 ireland is awesome cept for the weather Jul 11 06:17:05 however as a man of proper scottish decent, there is no better place than the highlands of scotland Jul 11 06:19:30 Wolvenhaven: ` yeah the highlands Jul 11 06:26:39 time to sleep Jul 11 06:28:30 g' nite guys. Jul 11 06:56:34 * dkirker does the happy dance somemore Jul 11 06:58:42 yay Jul 11 07:17:50 hurray for the happy dance Jul 11 07:18:26 man I must be really tired or I must be really bad at js cause I can't wrap my head around teh depot object :/ Jul 11 07:18:45 depot isn't bad Jul 11 07:19:03 its just a db that can't have duplicates Jul 11 07:19:22 or at least can't load multi records Jul 11 07:19:44 what issues are you having with it? Jul 11 07:19:53 Um the code involved to set it up Jul 11 07:20:44 I have this in my game.js file depot : new Mojo.Depot({name: "petDB",version: 1,replace: false}), Jul 11 07:21:11 when I try and add succes failure callbacks to the args jslint starts barking at me Jul 11 07:21:26 hmm Jul 11 07:22:35 are you binding the success/failure? Jul 11 07:23:06 heres a sample Jul 11 07:23:07 http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/api-reference/237-mojo-depot Jul 11 07:23:22 I'm on teh same page Jul 11 07:23:49 But It's 3:23am, and that code seems mighty complex Jul 11 07:23:50 hmm... syntax maybe? Jul 11 07:24:39 what kind of message is it throwing at you? Jul 11 07:25:18 heh, you should see the mess i made with nested dbSuccess functions in my app Jul 11 07:25:33 well tbh I don't even want the callbacks, more complicated Jul 11 07:26:36 open generally executes pretty fast but if you read at all you almost have to use the dbsuccess Jul 11 07:26:52 hmm Jul 11 07:27:03 Forgot about the loading time. Jul 11 07:27:09 i had all sorts of issues with my app trying to read before the db was written Jul 11 07:27:20 worked fine till i put it on the phone Jul 11 07:27:27 heh Jul 11 07:27:44 i wonder if you can use lawnchair without including all the other phonegap stuff Jul 11 07:28:10 lawnchair looks hella easy Jul 11 07:28:21 Some DB wrappers would be great for a noob like me :) Jul 11 07:28:33 i've seen some Jul 11 07:28:38 lets see if i can find it Jul 11 07:29:35 http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects --- its for sql but looks decent Jul 11 07:30:20 well that might be overcomplicating it Jul 11 07:30:28 actually... Jul 11 07:30:43 cookies might work... they're a lot easier and not async Jul 11 07:31:36 check this out.... i havent used it yet but WOW http://brianleroux.github.com/lawnchair/ Jul 11 07:32:08 Hmmm I thought I was storing too much information for cookies but come to think of it its only about 20 variables and a player inventory list Jul 11 07:32:41 I could do simple token delimeted fields Jul 11 07:32:41 that would be much easier Jul 11 07:32:53 just write a JSON to it Jul 11 07:32:59 lost me Jul 11 07:33:02 :P Jul 11 07:33:05 er Object Jul 11 07:33:31 one object with all your data in it... fill that object then do cookie.put(Objname) Jul 11 07:33:42 and cookie.get(Objname) Jul 11 07:33:47 oh yea but the information I need to store are in separate objects. Maybe I can create a new object with all the tobestored variables Jul 11 07:34:01 yeah, thats what i was thinking Jul 11 07:34:09 Ah nice nice. that sounds a little easier for 3am coding Jul 11 07:34:18 agreed Jul 11 07:34:28 probably faster also, just guessing Jul 11 07:34:41 they need to give us direct file io Jul 11 07:35:00 ill have to lookup how to work with strings in javascript but im sure that's easy Jul 11 07:35:18 How does internalz do it if we dont have i/o Jul 11 07:35:44 idk Jul 11 07:36:45 hungry hungry hippos brb food... somewhere. Jul 11 07:38:50 http://www.webtoolkit.info/javascript-base64.html sweet. Jul 11 07:42:15 EmmettLollis: that's all the syntax I need to read/write cookies eh? Jul 11 07:43:36 If I use cookie.get(Objname) will it be loaded into an object with all the properties just the way I saved it? Jul 11 08:09:20 morning Jul 11 08:12:59 has anyone got emacs running? Jul 11 08:13:34 tubro24prg: Don't think there's many ppl here. Jul 11 11:10:05 hey m new to palm-webos. Can anyone please tell me the use of css class "palm-hasheader" ?? Jul 11 11:21:59 hey Jul 11 11:23:36 how do you get the additional arguments from Jul 11 11:23:37 Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene({transition: Mojo.Transition.crossFade,name: "book",bookName: this.bookName,}); Jul 11 11:23:46 in the constructor of the pushed scene assistant Jul 11 11:24:00 I've tried something like args.bookName Jul 11 11:24:20 in this: function BookAssistant(args) { Jul 11 11:24:26 but it's undefined Jul 11 11:25:02 hey i m new to palm-webos. Can anyone tell me tha use of css class "palm-hasheader"? Jul 11 11:26:29 m55: is just args undefined? Jul 11 11:26:46 illuminatus: all the CSS stylesheets come with the SDK. Jul 11 11:26:48 no Jul 11 11:26:57 error: Error: Cannot read property 'bookName' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined Jul 11 11:27:14 look in the SDK directory, find the refcode directory...stylesheets is in there. Jul 11 11:29:07 args isn't undefined, but other parts are Jul 11 11:29:42 hang on...lemme look at docs Jul 11 11:32:32 * haeffb not sure how to push args as part of an object. Jul 11 11:32:54 haeffb: thanks Jul 11 11:32:55 what if you do it like this: Jul 11 11:33:20 Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene({transition: Mojo.Transition.crossFade,name: "book"}, this.bookName); Jul 11 11:33:39 although, the comma after this.bookName might be causing problems as well Jul 11 11:34:44 good morning Jul 11 11:38:55 i'm excited about lawnchair Jul 11 11:46:41 lawnchair ? Jul 11 12:53:21 morning EmmettLollis Jul 11 12:54:03 hi Jul 11 13:04:14 how can you get a point in a document with a tap? Jul 11 13:04:26 for example, in a view which has a bunch of pasted html Jul 11 13:04:42 the user taps on a point shown within the scroller, and I get an index Jul 11 13:04:58 a character index, not a scroller index Jul 11 13:05:14 since if the text size changes, then the scroller index wont point to the same place Jul 11 13:06:53 morning webosville Jul 11 13:08:39 morning Jul 11 13:08:43 it's too early Jul 11 13:09:00 it's evening in asia :P Jul 11 13:24:44 hey BigBiff_pre Jul 11 13:25:16 m55: have you tried listening on mousedown event? Jul 11 13:25:26 mornin haeffb, get some good pics this morning? Jul 11 13:25:47 some OK. Not much color....everything was kinda gray. Good light though Jul 11 13:26:12 working on putting a few up on picasaweb Jul 11 13:26:33 m55: ah :) Jul 11 13:26:37 m55: 6:30am here Jul 11 13:26:41 too ealry Jul 11 13:26:58 pandora--: yeah I know, usually i'm suprised if anyone replies when it's afternoon here Jul 11 13:27:09 haeffb: no i haven't, i'm looking at the reference for it now Jul 11 13:28:59 morning all Jul 11 13:29:06 again Jul 11 13:30:23 morning EmmettLollis Jul 11 13:30:36 howy BigBiff_pre Jul 11 13:31:32 i've had no sleep Jul 11 13:31:58 is that bad or good? Jul 11 13:32:45 like, productive no sleep, or a dog needs to die no sleep Jul 11 13:32:48 eh, the woman i care about was having a chrisis Jul 11 13:32:56 eewwww Jul 11 13:33:14 drove there twice Jul 11 13:33:47 then part of it turned out to involve some other dude she likes so yeah um... suck Jul 11 13:33:48 ouch Jul 11 13:34:38 some women have a way of jabbing you in the heart and twisting without thinking about it Jul 11 13:34:56 that sort of thing seems to happen alot.. Jul 11 13:35:23 they think that men don't have emotions or something Jul 11 13:36:13 well you know what will help? 2 line elements and some advanced keplerian trig :) Jul 11 13:37:59 BigBiff_pre: uh...probably not. Jul 11 13:38:21 http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20100711SCDay1# Jul 11 13:38:30 ya probably not Jul 11 13:38:58 sweet Jul 11 13:39:22 what kind of a deal did you get for the house? Jul 11 13:39:34 right on the beach? Jul 11 13:39:40 here's one my wife took with her pixi: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/photo.php?pid=6163292&id=523793082&fbid=444841218082 Jul 11 13:40:00 yes, it's on the beach. Jul 11 13:40:13 slide open the door on my bedroom & I'm walking in the sand Jul 11 13:40:23 * BigBiff_pre doesn't have facebook acct Jul 11 13:40:34 the second one is the house we're in Jul 11 13:40:44 second in the google pics Jul 11 13:41:15 I need to look into that. we used to go to destin. beachfront is outrageously priced down there Jul 11 13:41:34 it is here, too. I think this is the worst week. Jul 11 13:41:51 I"m lucky to have a sugar momma paying for it... :) Jul 11 13:41:57 hehe Jul 11 13:42:04 http://www.dunes.com Jul 11 13:44:17 actually much cheaper than pre-oil destin Jul 11 13:44:43 that may have to be my new beach Jul 11 13:44:54 haeffb: I tried window.onmousedown = function(e) { Mojo.Log.error("Tap Detected!"); }; but nothing shows up on the log when I tried clicking in the emulator Jul 11 13:46:34 I defined it in the scene assisnants setup method Jul 11 13:46:58 How and where in my application can i display the table contents of a database i created? Plz Help Jul 11 13:47:38 m55... use a mojo listener like for other mojo events Jul 11 13:48:23 soul1... just log the contents Jul 11 13:48:28 mojo.log.info Jul 11 13:48:39 thats how i did it Jul 11 13:48:50 this.controller.listen(this.controller.document, Mojo.Event.mousedown, this.mousedownHandler); Jul 11 13:49:13 where this.mousedownHandler = this.mousedown.bindAsEventListener(this); Jul 11 13:49:36 MyAssistant.prototype.mousedown = function(event) {...} Jul 11 13:52:51 where will mojo.log.info display the contents? On the current scene?? Jul 11 14:00:53 yay people are downloading my app this morning.. they must be feeling guilty about their eating habbits since it's sunday Jul 11 14:01:58 it is sunday right? i loose track Jul 11 14:03:09 soul1 not on the scene. Use palm-log. Go to http://developer.palm.com for docs Jul 11 14:03:28 but from a command line: palm-log -d tcp -f com.my.app Jul 11 14:03:39 * haeffb going to the beach for a bit. Jul 11 14:04:14 lucky Jul 11 14:04:35 * EmmettLollis has never been to the beach Jul 11 14:07:10 haeffb you awake? Jul 11 14:09:22 he's at the beach Jul 11 14:09:42 beach? Jul 11 14:09:46 ya Jul 11 14:09:47 boating again? Jul 11 14:10:00 no haeffb_pre? WTF? Jul 11 14:10:45 I guess he thinks he's like on vacation or something Jul 11 14:10:54 COME ON MAN!! Jul 11 14:10:57 ridiculous Jul 11 14:11:16 some ppl. i swear.. Jul 11 14:11:18 yes it is Jul 11 14:11:36 you're supposed to code on vacation Jul 11 14:11:43 exactly.. Jul 11 14:11:48 best time to Jul 11 14:12:07 the bum.. Jul 11 14:12:37 i guess i can pick on sugardave instead if haeffb isnt around Jul 11 14:12:58 good idea Jul 11 14:14:43 how 'bout it sugardave . got your ears on? Jul 11 14:16:30 another bum.. Jul 11 14:16:47 wow, this is quite a support document.... Just open framework/www/ in your favourite editor, build your web app, and run the appropriate make command indicated above. Jul 11 14:19:17 "build your web app" needs a couple hundred more lines Jul 11 14:19:43 but still, i'm in love with lawnchair Jul 11 14:20:38 mydb.save("stuff") is a lot easier than INSERT blah into blah WHERE blah=blah and bleh=bleh Jul 11 14:23:30 i thought sugardave had a helper that did the dirty work for you? Jul 11 14:23:49 even the helper is kind of bulky Jul 11 14:23:54 this is so clean Jul 11 14:23:57 http://brianleroux.github.com/lawnchair/ Jul 11 14:24:18 and built to work on all smartphones Jul 11 14:25:20 interesting Jul 11 14:25:48 i'm trying to figure out phonegap Jul 11 14:26:43 need to get it working on palm, then maybe try tweaking for others Jul 11 14:26:58 i hope it's all that it's promised to be Jul 11 14:35:05 does that widget support different fonts Jul 11 14:38:36 what widget? Jul 11 14:38:48 whoops old message Jul 11 14:38:54 heh Jul 11 14:38:56 RichTextEdit Jul 11 14:39:19 i would think so but i've never checked into it Jul 11 14:39:33 there is your non answer Jul 11 14:40:31 Bmyers: is that you? I thought you died Jul 11 14:40:31 :D Jul 11 14:41:08 boo. Jul 11 14:41:47 EmmettLollis: don't dis my database helpers....many brain cells died so that document could have lide Jul 11 14:41:50 life, too Jul 11 14:41:59 heh Jul 11 14:42:06 Bmyers: what up? Jul 11 14:42:38 i should have used those helpers... you should see the 2000 line mess i ended up with Jul 11 14:43:38 but somehow it seems to work... no support emails Jul 11 14:43:52 getting ready to take my daughter to her first camp experience Jul 11 14:43:52 or maybe thats a sign that my support emails dont work Jul 11 14:43:56 * sugardave is nervous. Jul 11 14:44:02 oooh nice Jul 11 14:44:04 heheh Jul 11 14:44:19 I don't want to have to kill a counselor, but I will Jul 11 14:45:29 if you do, make sure it's bloody to prevent future incidents Jul 11 14:46:37 lol Jul 11 14:46:44 i loved camp as a kid Jul 11 14:46:47 the convienance store on the corner made a terrible mistake.. they emailed me a coupon good for 1 free energy drink per visit Jul 11 14:48:36 headed out for #8 Jul 11 14:49:31 tryin out dat ares Jul 11 14:51:08 EmmettLollis: kesne uses some thing called Titanium, but not sure if he's using it for webOS Jul 11 14:51:22 it's a PhoneGap competitor Jul 11 14:51:42 I need to look into them, I suppose Jul 11 14:53:54 what's the usual way to install an ipk? Jul 11 14:54:02 quick install? Jul 11 14:54:08 palm-install Jul 11 14:54:17 oh Jul 11 14:54:19 hmm Jul 11 14:54:33 yeah Jul 11 14:54:35 palm-install Jul 11 14:57:42 okay developing and deploying with ares is like Jul 11 14:57:45 too easy Jul 11 14:58:11 then again my richtextedit field doesn't seem to work Jul 11 15:00:45 torchie: not sure how much you can do with fonts Jul 11 15:01:10 I just want a monospace text field Jul 11 15:01:17 I just used my first RichTextEdit last night Jul 11 15:01:27 it scrolls and everything Jul 11 15:01:30 pretty fancy Jul 11 15:02:22 I do need to make it so that if you tap anywhere in the "underneath" div, it focuses the widget Jul 11 15:04:26 how did you make it so that a brother can type in it Jul 11 15:06:28 do you need events and such Jul 11 15:06:37 so, you set it up with no attributes/model Jul 11 15:07:02 I'm not sure if it was working before I enabled some app menu rich text edit items, though Jul 11 15:07:27 I think it was, I just couldn't tell because I had no border or background for it...thought it was not there Jul 11 15:07:57 I currently am not listening for events on it, I had to move to another aspect of the app first Jul 11 15:08:34 yeah I have a border and background set so I can see it Jul 11 15:10:24 make sure you tap in the top line of it Jul 11 15:10:30 I don't understand sprint at all Jul 11 15:10:38 if you don't, then it acts like it's not working Jul 11 15:11:15 the very top line? Jul 11 15:11:21 I kind of put a header there :( Jul 11 15:11:51 ooops Jul 11 15:12:04 weird, I was able to type in it from the pc when I first put it there Jul 11 15:12:38 don't put another element inside the div for the widget, I actually have two wrapped around it, the scroller and a scroller wrapper, then my "label" is above those Jul 11 15:13:32 time to go Jul 11 15:18:33 I'd like a patch that switches to roaming when I drop below 2 bars Jul 11 15:18:54 which is anywhere near my house Jul 11 15:20:35 maybe it's time to go verizon :( Jul 11 15:25:07 have you reported it? Jul 11 15:26:00 i used to work for sprint... if they do their job right they will create a ticket or record Jul 11 15:26:25 but thats asking a lot from my ex co workers Jul 11 15:30:12 you know what would be cool, 1.4.5.1 Jul 11 15:30:12 :( Jul 11 15:31:36 yes Jul 11 15:33:22 heh, yes Jul 11 15:34:00 EmmettLollos: how could they fix my bad coverage? Jul 11 15:34:08 s oil /i Jul 11 15:34:13 dammit Jul 11 15:34:26 auto complete bah Jul 11 15:40:47 hi every1 Jul 11 15:41:01 y0 esses for you latinos... Jul 11 15:44:22 w Jul 11 15:44:38 my phone is freaking o Jul 11 15:44:40 ut Jul 11 15:55:59 I'm a bit confused Jul 11 15:56:03 er wrong window Jul 11 18:28:11 Hey all! Jul 11 18:35:40 hi kesne Jul 11 18:35:49 dkirker: Hey-o Jul 11 18:35:59 http://www.facebook.com/palmweboseatsiphonesforbreakfast Jul 11 18:38:36 hehe, I like how Chuq friended it Jul 11 18:40:24 I friended chuq Jul 11 18:41:31 Not that I run it.... Jul 11 19:22:43 How can I make an arrow with dom and CSS? Jul 11 19:26:06 Like a play button Jul 11 19:26:10 Nobody knows? Jul 11 19:36:17 * dkirker is definitely not a CSS guru :( Jul 11 19:39:18 I guess I won't be doing C++ development after all Jul 11 19:39:32 I didn't realize the libraries I wanted to use aren't allowed on the App Catalog yet Jul 11 19:39:41 which libraries are those? Jul 11 19:39:53 libjpeg, libpng, libfreetype, libvorbis, libogg Jul 11 19:40:24 hmmm Jul 11 19:40:38 oh, and libzlib Jul 11 19:40:48 I think you're allowed to statically link, or dynamically link and bundle the lbrary with your app, or am I wrong? Jul 11 19:41:20 "Right now, you can bundle shared libraries with your PDK app for your own use. However, I don't think we're allowing those to be published yet until we can update our security scanners to handle them. So, OK for testing, but maybe not OK for the catalog." Jul 11 19:41:36 Well, I guess "maybe" isn't a flat "no" Jul 11 19:42:30 Who said that? Jul 11 19:42:31 However, I might guess that if they needed to update some things on their end to accept it, it would be harder to assume that six libraries would be approved than just relying on one Jul 11 19:42:35 unwiredben Jul 11 19:42:42 What they don't know won't hurt them? Jul 11 19:42:50 hah :) Jul 11 19:42:54 There's a lot that they're doing to move forward with things, to my understanding. The way I am seeing my position is to keep developing, since I have open access with my device, and then release when I am 100% able to. Jul 11 19:43:06 Yeah, I guess so Jul 11 19:43:15 Hey guys, 1.4.5 this week! Jul 11 19:43:32 I'm debating whether I should keep fighting to get C++ fully up and running, or if I should develop my app with Javascript first Jul 11 19:43:40 haXe publishes to Javascript and C++ from the same code Jul 11 19:43:56 But C++ would obviously be faster, of course, which would make it a lot more fun for physics simulations and such Jul 11 19:43:58 C++ for hot apps Jul 11 19:44:16 http://haxe.org/com/libs/physaxe Jul 11 19:44:20 Right, and for the contest Jul 11 19:44:53 The big reason why (assuming it would be approved in the catalog) I haven't been able to run it yet was because the core framework needed to be compiled for Palm Jul 11 19:45:21 I got 90% of the way there with "version 1" of the core. Problem was it got stuck on a few GL methods which aren't available in OpenGL ES Jul 11 19:45:27 So that's probably a dead end Jul 11 19:45:38 haxe looks cool Jul 11 19:45:39 "version 2" is compatible with GL ES, but its throwing some compiler errors Jul 11 19:45:46 You can compile it to Javascript too Jul 11 19:45:52 And Flash Jul 11 19:46:03 So you can test on the desktop with Flash, then push to the phone with C++ when you're done Jul 11 19:46:37 So either I figure out how to fix the "version 2" compiler errors, then get up and running, and hope I can use it in the catalog ... Jul 11 19:47:02 Or I start work on a game or something, export to Javascript, and cross my fingers that maybe I'll have an easier time going to C++ with a future update of the source Jul 11 19:47:54 Oh, wow. Jul 11 19:48:01 Maybe I should try to compile again ... Jul 11 19:48:02 http://code.google.com/p/nekonme/source/detail?r=488 Jul 11 19:48:12 Looks like there was an update today which touched files I couldn't compile earlier Jul 11 19:50:18 I use FlashDevelop when I work with webOS ... I set up a project template which uses the Palm SDK to compile, install and run the app I'm developing Jul 11 19:50:30 FlashDevelop, to my knowledge, has the best completion for haXe Jul 11 19:50:51 So I think I might put in some work to polish up some new templates Jul 11 19:51:00 Palm webOS SDK Project (HTML/JS) Jul 11 19:51:21 haXe webOS SDK Project Jul 11 19:51:26 haXe webOS PDK project Jul 11 19:51:30 something like that. Jul 11 19:51:52 It would be cool to have a template so that if it's published as Javascript, you can say "new project" and already have it compiling and running as a full-screen app Jul 11 19:52:00 Then you could just modify it from there Jul 11 19:52:19 But the coolest, I think, would be if I could figure out the rest of this C++ part so it could run with better performance Jul 11 19:52:29 (and then to hope that it's approved in the catalog) Jul 11 19:52:59 Sorry if I talk too much Jul 11 19:58:03 YAy Jul 11 19:58:32 http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/594/screenshot20100711at125.png Jul 11 20:00:26 looks nice Jul 11 20:01:26 * dkirker does the very happy dance!! Jul 11 20:02:10 does anyone know if mobile beat will be streamed or available as a download? Jul 11 20:06:01 Probably not Jul 11 20:06:08 When is it? Jul 11 20:07:09 tomorrow Jul 11 20:07:23 i think P/C is doing a live blogging of it Jul 11 20:09:25 they will be Jul 11 20:09:51 Arg, I hate Titanium Jul 11 20:11:52 Actually, I love it Jul 11 20:14:26 love hate eh? Jul 11 20:15:12 It's amazing Jul 11 20:15:28 Look what I've done with it: http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/594/screenshot20100711at125.png Jul 11 20:15:32 Works like a charm Jul 11 20:15:46 nice Jul 11 20:16:01 I just need to get that darn play game icon done Jul 11 20:16:04 And with CSS Jul 11 20:16:26 whats titanium? Jul 11 20:16:32 Google it Jul 11 20:16:35 Or Appcelerater Jul 11 20:16:39 Google either Jul 11 20:17:30 I made the Chat and stats icon with just css Jul 11 20:17:32 For publishing to the iPhone Jul 11 20:17:43 I use Phonegap for iPhone development Jul 11 20:17:58 Do you use JQTouch, or just do your own thing? Jul 11 20:18:07 I just do my own thing Jul 11 20:18:14 And it's not JQTouch anymore bro Jul 11 20:18:23 It's like Sencha Jul 11 20:18:26 Or whatever Jul 11 20:18:59 I've thought about trying PhoneGap, but I rely on the Mojo widgets so much that I'd probably have a lot of work to make something OS-independent Jul 11 20:19:57 Yeah Jul 11 20:20:07 I happened across a book on iPhone HTML/JS development, and they were using jqTouch Jul 11 20:20:10 Checkers uses as little as I could Jul 11 20:20:17 So is Sencha a more complete framework, then? Jul 11 20:21:29 I dunno Jul 11 20:21:40 Anybody that wants to beta test the UI for KSO can Jul 11 20:21:44 I'm packaging it up Jul 11 20:22:43 I've had a lot of people asking me if I could do an iPhone app, but it doesn't really sound fun Jul 11 20:22:51 It isn't Jul 11 20:22:56 I've done native apps for iPhone Jul 11 20:22:58 It's hell Jul 11 20:23:01 webOS is nice Jul 11 20:23:16 webOS got a lot better once I learned how to get log messages Jul 11 20:23:29 It's painful when the app doesn't run because you're missing a space :) Jul 11 20:23:31 I mean, comma Jul 11 20:23:56 I am thankful for Prototype's Class.create method, though. Makes things feel a lot nicer to me Jul 11 20:24:52 Did you hear that the EU may be hitting Apple with anti-trust claims? Jul 11 20:25:14 elyon, agreed Jul 11 20:25:25 js's oop is kinda a mess Jul 11 20:25:31 but it is what it is Jul 11 20:25:57 :O Jul 11 20:26:39 http://api.appcelerator.net/p/pages/app_page?token=P4mThzw4 Jul 11 20:26:42 hemna: I agree. I wish Javascript was more like Actionscript 3 sometimes Jul 11 20:27:59 I don't think they could force Apple to put the Flash plugin on their devices, but it would be cool if they could lift the "non-native language" restriction Jul 11 20:28:30 I don't have an i-device, so it doesn't really affect me, but I know it would make a lot of other people a lot happier if I could publish using Flash or haXe to an iPhone Jul 11 20:31:05 hello friends! Jul 11 20:43:54 hey webos guys, kinda off topic, but if you wree to either start or kinda re-teach yourself how to program, which language would you go for? Jul 11 20:46:14 python i guess, everybody says it's great for beginners. Jul 11 20:48:52 and then to java... c++ ? Jul 11 20:48:59 mmmm, c++ Jul 11 20:49:25 yay! Almost done with appServer in node.js! Jul 11 20:49:27 python or javascript, i think. Jul 11 20:49:30 the thing you have to watch out for with C and C++ is that you have to teach yourself memory allocation and debugging too Jul 11 20:49:35 just cuz javascript's so accessible. Jul 11 20:54:01 hey does anyone know how they rendered the font in the Timepiece app? Jul 11 21:03:57 Who wants to try my app? Jul 11 21:04:20 TOO BAD! : Jul 11 21:04:20 D Jul 11 21:06:09 I hate people so much Jul 11 21:06:11 "You get a f as a final grade" Jul 11 21:06:15 I want to punch this guy Jul 11 21:06:56 is that a review? Jul 11 21:07:25 An email Jul 11 21:07:31 He rants about how the app is terrible Jul 11 21:07:49 oh man, is it a free app? Jul 11 21:10:19 Yessir Jul 11 21:10:27 I kept my cool Jul 11 21:10:33 herm…. json is not cooperating today Jul 11 21:10:36 And then told him that he's most likely a fat ass Jul 11 21:10:50 that was the most boring sporting event I've ever seen Jul 11 21:11:09 BigBiff: what game? Jul 11 21:11:19 fishing shows are more exciting Jul 11 21:11:28 world cup final Jul 11 21:11:49 Ah yes Jul 11 21:11:54 Football tends to be that way Jul 11 21:11:58 a chess match is more Jul 11 21:12:06 that's retarded when people go out of their way to bitch about a free app. Jul 11 21:12:27 dpivs: I couldn't agree more Jul 11 21:12:34 agreed Jul 11 21:12:45 BigBiff: Chess is a good sport Jul 11 21:12:49 heh Jul 11 21:14:59 i love chess Jul 11 21:15:01 anyone here used sprint family locator? Jul 11 21:15:10 but I agree, I love futball as well and that WC final was garbage Jul 11 21:15:36 I do believe i have finished my node.js app server and client... Jul 11 21:15:47 is sfl glitchy on every device or just pre? Jul 11 21:29:08 Anybody here use Titanium Jul 11 21:29:11 ?? Jul 11 21:35:17 halfhalo? Jul 11 21:40:04 is titanium a framework or something? Jul 11 21:40:22 its a metal Jul 11 21:40:30 rather element Jul 11 21:40:30 ba-dam-bum! Jul 11 21:40:54 i have titanium valve spring retainers in my project car Jul 11 21:41:00 does that count kesne ? Jul 11 21:41:20 my armor is made of titanium, which i use to battle ironman. Jul 11 21:41:29 I'm making a pre back out of Titanium Jul 11 21:41:45 no youre not Jul 11 21:41:57 kesne: forget titanium, go with adamantium. Jul 11 21:41:58 i know exactly what you meant, so dont try and cover/play along Jul 11 21:42:12 I was going to use Unobtanium Jul 11 21:42:47 try ##ti or ##titanium or #ti or #titanium not sure if they have a channel on here or not Jul 11 21:43:17 Nope Jul 11 21:43:28 bah, family locator works great on wife's android Jul 11 21:43:40 pre browser :/ Jul 11 21:43:41 BigBiff: Maybe a little too well? Jul 11 21:43:49 heh Jul 11 21:45:33 Found it Jul 11 21:45:35 #titanium_app Jul 11 21:46:32 Ugh, anivrom is here Jul 11 21:46:40 damn' Jul 11 21:46:44 <3 Jul 11 21:46:51 was hoping he wouldnt be here today Jul 11 21:47:01 Me too Jul 11 21:47:02 <3! Jul 11 21:47:18 ohnoesss, it's anivrom! is that bad? Jul 11 21:47:46 Yea. Jul 11 21:48:13 Anivrom is an idiot. Jul 11 21:49:33 Don't worry kesne, you'll grow up one day :) Jul 11 21:49:51 well atleast 2yrs older Jul 11 21:49:56 we're all done in 2012 Jul 11 21:50:02 Anivrom: :P Jul 11 22:06:23 Anyone used palmGetResource by chance? Jul 11 22:06:41 yes Jul 11 22:08:48 I've got it working with a local .dat/txt file and I can split it by \\r but for some reason I can't split on \\t and I've got the same code working with a public ajax request on another scene... Any thoughts? Jul 11 22:09:40 \\r\\n sorry Jul 11 22:10:58 kesne: i don't get it with titanium, is it open source? Jul 11 22:11:33 kesne: never mind i'm checking out the wiki Jul 11 22:12:07 interesting stuff. Jul 11 22:17:28 I use it for desktop development Jul 11 22:18:04 my understanding is the 1.4.5 update enables 3d gaming on the pixi ....does this mean ill be able to play the 3d games in the app catalog as soon as the updates passes through or will i have to wait for devs to update the games to support the pixi ? Jul 11 22:18:26 you wil not have to wait Jul 11 22:18:37 ahhh :) Jul 11 22:19:01 OH NOES! Jul 11 22:30:35 but how will it work on the pixi? the resolution is different. Jul 11 22:31:49 it will resize automatically Jul 11 22:32:03 atleast thats what they said would happen in the devday videos Jul 11 22:32:07 it would go 'letterbox' Jul 11 22:34:32 Ah, that's a clever idea Jul 11 22:48:09 hey everyone - what are some other channels for webOS users? Jul 11 22:53:10 #webos-internals Jul 11 22:54:48 morning Jul 11 22:56:53 hah at precentral palmcast Jul 11 22:57:06 Sprint Pre is called the "Pre Minus" Jul 11 22:57:40 it's a fair call Jul 11 23:00:18 OMG the app sale is until july 23 Jul 11 23:00:30 so I can turn 18, activate the card, blow 20 bucks on apps Jul 11 23:02:37 I can create a cookie giving it an object and it will load the cookie as an object again with all the properties I sent into it correct? Jul 11 23:05:40 Sort of Jul 11 23:05:54 It returns most things alright, but I've had trouble with arrays with named indexes Jul 11 23:06:04 And I think I had trouble when I had too many arrays inside of arrays Jul 11 23:06:11 they need to extend the sale until like december Jul 11 23:06:13 ... and I had trouble when the cookie size got too large Jul 11 23:06:33 But other than that, cookies should work okay Jul 11 23:06:38 ok Jul 11 23:06:46 Oh, and I think there may be problems with cookies which share the same name as other cookies on the system Jul 11 23:06:52 Hey emmett Jul 11 23:07:01 oh. that wont be a problem Jul 11 23:07:11 So instead of calling it "prefs" it might be better to call it "MyApp.Preferences" or something else that would be unique Jul 11 23:07:30 ok. Jul 11 23:25:37 cookies are automatically prefaced with your appid Jul 12 01:21:48 hi sugardave Jul 12 01:24:32 re-hi Jul 12 01:28:59 how goes it? Jul 12 01:38:54 EmmettLollis: pretty tired, 3.5 hours actual road time both ways, plus stops, etc. My ass is numb. Jul 12 01:39:09 damn, i bet it is Jul 12 01:39:21 brb Jul 12 01:43:48 back Jul 12 02:00:08 * Rubin just playing with ares for the first time Jul 12 02:00:21 didn't realize it had real debugging support even for non-ares apps! Jul 12 02:00:24 way cool Jul 12 02:00:55 being able to set break points and examine variables .. what a concept Jul 12 02:00:56 :P Jul 12 02:05:56 just trying the "send to my phone Jul 12 02:06:04 " thing on a beta feed app Jul 12 02:06:13 the catalog app won't finish launching, though Jul 12 02:06:16 been 10 minutes Jul 12 02:06:27 the regular app catalog works, though Jul 12 02:07:03 Rubin... it's nice to be able to set breakpoints isn't it? Jul 12 02:07:34 just uploaded an old funnel video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eStKfz5A7vo Jul 12 02:07:55 lots of censorship Jul 12 02:15:52 oh wait....app catalog is not working for me Jul 12 02:25:06 app catalog hasn't let me do a review for like a week **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 12 02:59:57 2010