**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 14 02:59:56 2010 Jul 14 03:00:49 Anivrom: http://webos101.com/Dialogs Jul 14 03:01:29 hi sugardave Jul 14 03:01:34 hello Jul 14 03:01:44 how goes? Jul 14 03:02:09 [waves hello] Jul 14 03:02:14 pretty good, I'm doing design work Jul 14 03:02:15 yuk Jul 14 03:02:21 hi DougReeder Jul 14 03:02:22 heh Jul 14 03:03:19 [smiles] Anything I can expound upon? Jul 14 03:03:38 sugardave: <---- graphic designer.. so design work = win Jul 14 03:03:47 you can pound upon the guy who gave my app a bad review Jul 14 03:03:49 <---- = me Jul 14 03:04:36 Anivrom: I'm slowly approaching the level of Kindergarten art ability with CSS and layouts Jul 14 03:04:43 lol. Jul 14 03:05:03 [making a moue] Mmm, sorry, not my line. Jul 14 03:05:11 Well if you ever need help with some advanced graphics I might be able to help with that. Jul 14 03:05:21 I don't know CSS though so you're on your own there. Jul 14 03:05:44 luckily this guy already has graphics...I just have to make the rows look nice :D Jul 14 03:05:52 ah Jul 14 03:05:56 sugardave, have you mastered CSS flex boxes yet? Jul 14 03:06:08 I don't even know what that means Jul 14 03:06:25 dkirker: dup dirka Jul 14 03:06:27 sup* Jul 14 03:06:36 hi anivrom Jul 14 03:06:45 * sugardave duplicates dkirker. Jul 14 03:06:53 hi sugardave Jul 14 03:06:54 the universe implodes Jul 14 03:06:58 hi everyone Jul 14 03:07:08 Flex boxes are great for designing rows of things. Jul 14 03:07:15 lol. frank caliendo on letterman talking about brett farve. classic Jul 14 03:07:31 i m not able to insert record in my table...error: constraint failed Jul 14 03:08:34 damn, that really got him upset Jul 14 03:09:17 i've been pretty upset myself lately, i just don't have anything to beat on that wont break Jul 14 03:10:08 i m not able to insert any record in my table...error: constraint failed Jul 14 03:10:12 please help Jul 14 03:10:18 lol Jul 14 03:10:48 http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=constraint+failed&aq=f&aqi=g4g-m6&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=12d854179172b838 Jul 14 03:10:55 click that soul1 Jul 14 03:11:03 soul1: click that Jul 14 03:11:06 dont click the x though Jul 14 03:11:52 ugh i think i need a brisk walk to let off steam Jul 14 03:11:56 brb Jul 14 03:13:05 thanks Jul 14 03:15:20 Soul1, try checking every field that is defined as an index or as UNIQUE. Jul 14 03:16:44 "CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS 'donor1' (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT,name TEXT,address TEXT,contact_no DOUBLE)"; Jul 14 03:17:02 this is my create table command Jul 14 03:17:27 has it got something to do with id? Jul 14 03:17:35 It looks like the problem must relate to id. Jul 14 03:17:57 I'm not certain id _must_ be null, but that's what you want. Jul 14 03:18:20 rite Jul 14 03:18:26 too dark to walk, had to find a good wall to beat Jul 14 03:18:33 That is, you should program so that id is null. Jul 14 03:18:49 -emmet Pushups? Jul 14 03:18:57 no floor space Jul 14 03:19:10 nd what shud be the query for that? Jul 14 03:19:10 He forgot to mention he's in san quintin... Jul 14 03:19:13 Isometrics? Jul 14 03:19:59 right, i'm the head of incarceratedSoft Jul 14 03:20:08 Use your normal debugging techniques to view the value of id just before your query. Jul 14 03:20:25 which is why you built a diet app. So you could keep your protiens up in teh slammer Jul 14 03:20:33 right Jul 14 03:23:47 gd evening Jul 14 03:24:02 my next release will be incarceratedSoft whosmahbiotch Jul 14 03:24:25 Urgh, trying to open a dialog but am getting this error Error: newFrameassistant is not defined, line object, file undefined, palmInitFramework338:2520 Jul 14 03:25:27 var helloDialog = this.controller.showDialog({ Jul 14 03:25:27 template : "newHello-dialog", assistant : new newHelloAssistant(this), Jul 14 03:25:27 preventCancel : true Jul 14 03:25:27 }); Jul 14 03:25:31 Anyone know why? Jul 14 03:26:21 do you have a file in app/assistants called newFrameassistant.js with the methods defined in it? Jul 14 03:27:08 sugardave: yes. contrustor looks like this.... function NewFrameAssistant(inAssistant) { Jul 14 03:27:09 this.assistant = inAssistant; Jul 14 03:27:09 } Jul 14 03:27:20 hmm maybe cause new is capitalized? Jul 14 03:27:44 are you loading it in sources.json? Jul 14 03:28:02 and it should not have a scene associated with it? Jul 14 03:28:13 { Jul 14 03:28:13 "source": "app/assistants/newFrame-assistant.js", Jul 14 03:28:13 "scenes": "newFrame" Jul 14 03:28:13 }, Jul 14 03:28:22 remove the scene property Jul 14 03:28:32 ok Jul 14 03:28:50 But I have a scene setup cause it's a custom dialog. Jul 14 03:28:58 Still remove it? Jul 14 03:29:08 yes Jul 14 03:29:12 I'm using ares remember. I don't define widgets or anything in code. Jul 14 03:29:18 oh Jul 14 03:29:20 crap Jul 14 03:29:27 dunno about custom dialogs in ares Jul 14 03:29:43 in straigh mojo you make an assistant with no scene pre-loading Jul 14 03:29:48 :/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/: Jul 14 03:30:14 Is your capitalization consistent? I'm seeing assitant both capitalized and lower case. Jul 14 03:30:32 new newFrameAssistant Jul 14 03:30:37 based on your current filename Jul 14 03:30:52 oh wait Jul 14 03:30:56 let me check my code Jul 14 03:31:01 Doesn't it have to be capitalized>? Jul 14 03:31:35 yay progress. Jul 14 03:31:49 new NewFrameAssistant, is correct Jul 14 03:31:52 now it pops up and says template load failed: newFrame-dialog.html Jul 14 03:32:07 I set it to lowercase and I got past that error Jul 14 03:32:27 so you should have views/newFrame-dialog Jul 14 03:32:34 got that Jul 14 03:32:42 it's empty though Jul 14 03:32:46 hmm Jul 14 03:32:48 oh Jul 14 03:32:52 put some stuff in it Jul 14 03:32:58 Cause ares creates a file called newFrame-chrome.js Jul 14 03:33:16 which is the equivalent of the widget setup Jul 14 03:33:19 under the hood Jul 14 03:35:11 how can I debug downloadmanager? like.. I want to see header/body of the request Jul 14 03:36:37 kesne: sup JoRdY Jul 14 03:36:47 who's JoRdY? Jul 14 03:36:54 u r teh jordy Jul 14 03:37:00 ? Jul 14 03:37:24 webos-info kesne Jul 14 03:37:30 drats where's the bot :(((( Jul 14 03:37:53 webos-info kesne Jul 14 03:37:59 kesne is not teh jordy Jul 14 03:38:12 webos-info kesne is jordy Jul 14 03:38:25 webos-info kesne is jordy Jul 14 03:38:26 Unknown input Jul 14 03:38:32 pie? Jul 14 03:38:58 * webos-info sings "she's my cherry pie!" Jul 14 03:40:42 hi... someone can help me? i need to see header/body os the request done by downloadmanager Jul 14 03:44:29 Okies Jul 14 03:44:30 back Jul 14 03:46:31 kesne-info what is mojo Jul 14 03:46:42 lol Jul 14 03:47:56 wow, editing css on a woki isn't fun Jul 14 03:48:03 woki? Jul 14 03:48:07 wiki Jul 14 03:48:09 Mojo is evil Jul 14 03:48:20 css is evil Jul 14 03:48:28 php is evil Jul 14 03:51:26 errors are evil Jul 14 03:52:16 ARGH why wont this dialog OPEN. Jul 14 03:54:01 There Jul 14 03:54:06 I is neu bawt Jul 14 03:54:48 kesne-info: codeslaw is awsome Jul 14 03:54:55 Gotchya Jul 14 03:55:09 kesne-info: awsome Jul 14 04:00:28 * Tibfib setting up sdk on ubuntu Jul 14 04:01:00 * kesne-info has set up the SDK in Ubuntu, Mac, and Windows Jul 14 04:02:25 kesne-info: awesome, which dev environment do u use the most? Jul 14 04:02:34 Mac Jul 14 04:04:01 have you set up the SDK in webOS Jul 14 04:05:29 Yeah Jul 14 04:05:31 Twice Jul 14 04:06:50 They need to come out with a freakin ARES book, who was it that told me it was in the works? Jul 14 04:07:32 is there a way i can make the contacts app only show contacts that i have a phone number for or something similar ? ...really don't care to have all my AIM buddies listed as contacts Jul 14 04:07:38 * Anivrom runs app and crosses fingers Jul 14 04:08:37 Search from the Phone app. Jul 14 04:09:14 is it possible to make the contacts usable without using global search though ? Jul 14 04:09:37 i really only have 10-12 people i ever talk to on the phone and id like to have them in a neat list i can scroll through Jul 14 04:10:14 i code a bit as well ....might have to have a go at scratching an itch Jul 14 04:10:40 bought the webOS book the same day i got my pixi :) Jul 14 04:10:50 I have a ton of those Jul 14 04:10:54 I need to ship them out Jul 14 04:21:06 Caught exception in _Dialog widget 'object' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'sceneElement' of undefined, palmInitFramework338:2520 Jul 14 04:21:14 Anyone have a clue what that means? :( Jul 14 04:24:05 Presumably, you're trying to access the sceneElement through some variable that's undefined. If you don't do that explicitly, it's probably the framework's fault. Jul 14 04:24:24 I'm not doing anything. Jul 14 04:24:25 developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=net.keenstudios.planeteaters Jul 14 04:25:33 how would i a textbox show up like a command menU? Jul 14 04:25:35 I didnt write any code that tries to access the sceneElement Jul 14 04:26:16 Presumably the framework, then. It it actually causing problems? Jul 14 04:26:23 Yea. Jul 14 04:26:39 template load failed: app/views/newFrame/newFrame-dialog.html Jul 14 04:27:39 Ah, probably Ares not doing things right. Jul 14 04:27:56 But I'm not finding a way around it... Jul 14 04:28:26 I haven't used Ares in months, so I can't help much with that. Might be faster to rename the old dialog, create a new one, and copy your code into it. Jul 14 04:28:53 wow, 2 news anchors emailed me... there are benefits to being whiney on facebook Jul 14 04:28:54 Copy what code into it? I have no code in the dialog.html Jul 14 04:29:33 I just wanna get it showing first. Jul 14 04:30:24 I dunno, is there a tutorial on creating dialogs? Jul 14 04:30:36 if there is google isn't showing me Jul 14 04:30:50 Bummer. Jul 14 04:31:11 ooo wait a minute Jul 14 04:31:29 EmmettLollis: About your health thing or webOS? Jul 14 04:31:55 kesene, just personal type emails Jul 14 04:32:22 Oh? Jul 14 04:32:24 That's boring Jul 14 04:32:47 I'm suprised that nobody local has done anything with me Jul 14 04:33:00 I'm 16 and I develop mobile apps. Not to many of those Jul 14 04:33:23 i used to hang out with them quite a bit online, it's good to know that i'm not forgotten Jul 14 04:34:05 you develop mobile apps..... programmer isn't exactly a marketable interest. Jul 14 04:34:44 Now what IS marketable is this girl who got 100% average for this years courses. Jul 14 04:34:49 Heh Jul 14 04:35:06 I do good in school Jul 14 04:35:06 studied 4-11 every day taking 8 courses instead of 6 Jul 14 04:35:19 She's got ALOT of friends.... Jul 14 04:35:28 I'm sure Jul 14 04:35:30 I never study, and I never do homework Jul 14 04:35:31 :P Jul 14 04:35:38 neither did I Jul 14 04:35:51 How did that work for you? Jul 14 04:36:01 kesne-info: you know how to have a textbox stay on top of content like a command menu? Jul 14 04:36:22 proficiency award. 80% average or above across all years in highschool Jul 14 04:36:39 LoneStar99: CSS Position: Fixed; bottom: 0px; Jul 14 04:36:39 Honestly don't know how I got that. Jul 14 04:36:43 Heh Jul 14 04:36:47 I get all A's Jul 14 04:37:40 kesne-info: let me try that Jul 14 04:37:42 I find school easy Jul 14 04:37:46 oy a 16 year old actually finishing his apps Jul 14 04:37:51 I slacked off. Jul 14 04:37:56 LoneStar99: it _should_ work Jul 14 04:38:00 I slack off Jul 14 04:38:03 this is worse than when I found out miley cyrus is younger than me Jul 14 04:38:10 skipped classes to go to the library and read scientific american like it was going out of style. Jul 14 04:38:51 <---- physics / astronomy buff Jul 14 04:39:27 Eww Jul 14 04:40:01 I never skip class Jul 14 04:40:20 for me it depends on your definition of skip Jul 14 04:40:37 I'd say I'm going to the bathroom, and then wander the campus for a half hour Jul 14 04:40:46 Heh Jul 14 04:41:02 I loved high school. I just wandered out of all my classes Jul 14 04:41:14 and my webmaster class was even better Jul 14 04:41:23 It's going good for me, but no classes are good for me Jul 14 04:41:32 All the programming classes are so basic Jul 14 04:41:39 I can out-program anybody at my school Jul 14 04:41:55 and? so could I Jul 14 04:42:06 that's what everyone on freenode says Jul 14 04:42:08 halfhalo: you don't understant.... kesne is a prodigy. Jul 14 04:42:12 He's only freakin 16! Jul 14 04:42:16 I mean like Jul 14 04:42:16 hahaha Jul 14 04:42:17 yuhuh Jul 14 04:42:28 I've heard the "better than everyone in class" story like 10 times Jul 14 04:42:47 tis where I learned php Jul 14 04:43:01 variations on the story include college undergraduates, people at company x, etc Jul 14 04:43:25 and got certified by the state of california as a webmaster Jul 14 04:43:27 i sucked at school, barely made it through Jul 14 04:43:41 digitalpowers: how anticlimactic -_- Jul 14 04:43:53 I half-sucked Jul 14 04:43:59 sry, on the bright side i found work for the government, they dont care how stupid you are Jul 14 04:44:09 Heh Jul 14 04:44:11 like I made Bs sometimes Jul 14 04:44:16 It'd be ni Jul 14 04:44:18 Er Jul 14 04:44:21 Nier Jul 14 04:44:22 I hate my enter key Jul 14 04:44:43 It's good grade-wise Jul 14 04:44:47 Social-wise, meh Jul 14 04:44:55 the enter key is good grade-wise? Jul 14 04:44:58 I have lots of friends Jul 14 04:45:06 :P Jul 14 04:45:08 Shuddup Jul 14 04:45:29 digitalpowers: so true Jul 14 04:45:43 also, greetings from my new desk in the office upstairs Jul 14 04:45:43 86% of my friends are male Jul 14 04:45:50 er...wow, that sounds kind of biblical Jul 14 04:46:02 digitalpowers: Where do you work? Jul 14 04:46:13 county government FOR THE WIN! Jul 14 04:46:13 kesne-info: for the gummint Jul 14 04:46:19 yeah I'm gonna work on retooling my life so that 86% of my friends are female Jul 14 04:46:26 well then again Jul 14 04:46:28 "friends?" Jul 14 04:46:39 i met all my friends online Jul 14 04:46:39 friends… psha Jul 14 04:46:47 need to be more than friends Jul 14 04:46:47 86% of my friends with benefits -- female; no wait, I'm straight. Jul 14 04:46:50 i'm awesome Jul 14 04:47:03 digitalpowers: That doesn't tell me anything Jul 14 04:47:05 sentences are hard! Jul 14 04:47:16 torchie: heh Jul 14 04:47:25 i'm awesome (no you're not man don't lie), I'm awesome! (you drive around in your mom's ride!) I'm awesome! (A quarter of my life gone by, and I met all my friends on line) Jul 14 04:47:26 kesne-info: the first rule about working for the government, you don't talk about working for the government Jul 14 04:47:34 haha Jul 14 04:47:41 <3 that song Jul 14 04:47:58 I have way too many interests to excel to any real degree in any one of them. Jack of all trades master of none Jul 14 04:48:09 I also have no problem getting girls, what I have a problem with getting girls I want. Jul 14 04:48:12 specialization is for ants Jul 14 04:48:20 For some reason, the crazy ones want me Jul 14 04:48:24 It == suck Jul 14 04:48:26 lucky you Jul 14 04:48:27 I li Jul 14 04:48:29 I like crazy Jul 14 04:48:36 I like some crazy Jul 14 04:48:40 I hate the ones that like me Jul 14 04:48:53 I've got 8 subscribers on YouTube Jul 14 04:48:55 digitalpowers: can haz new internetz? Jul 14 04:48:55 Yay. Jul 14 04:49:01 digitalpowers: I love you Jul 14 04:49:19 Is there a pdk var for $APP_DIR? Jul 14 04:49:27 or do i have to type it out if i need to hard code a path? Jul 14 04:49:29 maik: your the fool that had to move where that was only bad internetz Jul 14 04:49:47 http://bit.shifter.net/ new fav music. easy prey and starscream = orgasm in my ears Jul 14 04:49:56 somehow "new house" outweighed "internet wut?" Jul 14 04:50:23 need to take dog out, bbiaf Jul 14 04:50:28 Hey, guess what Jul 14 04:50:33 no! Jul 14 04:50:34 You all should buy my ao Jul 14 04:50:44 Huh, I'm using IRC on the desktop, and watching a video on the Pre. Weird inversion. Jul 14 04:51:17 :O Jul 14 04:51:19 lol. the pre is just THAT good Jul 14 04:51:25 I hate my Pre Jul 14 04:51:29 Love muh evo Jul 14 04:51:33 i hate you Jul 14 04:51:34 maik: obviously interwebz are more important than shelter Jul 14 04:51:49 halfhalo: Why? Jul 14 04:51:55 lucky bastard Jul 14 04:51:55 why not Jul 14 04:52:00 Input outweights output here, I guess. Jul 14 04:52:08 How am I lucky? Jul 14 04:52:14 rule#1 prehates shall be hated Jul 14 04:52:16 I havent used a palm product in ages Jul 14 04:52:18 prehaters? Jul 14 04:52:28 well no not that Jul 14 04:52:33 the youtube subscribers :( Jul 14 04:52:47 My brand new C40 is gathering dust on my desk Jul 14 04:52:50 torchie: Elaborate Jul 14 04:52:56 you have them! Jul 14 04:53:04 meh, dont lke the c$) Jul 14 04:53:05 my pre's been kinda crappy at video Jul 14 04:53:07 kesne-info: man that C40 blew my mind when I saw it Jul 14 04:53:15 It looks nice Jul 14 04:53:20 but the build quality is meh Jul 14 04:53:36 kesne-info: you need yours? i'll buy it. i need another one Jul 14 04:53:38 And the landscape keyboard is a little too loose feeling Jul 14 04:53:39 c40? Jul 14 04:53:48 Torchie: google Jul 14 04:53:52 googling Jul 14 04:54:00 I also thing that the holograph feature is poorly done Jul 14 04:54:10 and the voice dialing is meh Jul 14 04:54:12 oh that's the palm phone with the coffee maker Jul 14 04:54:20 but it only does espresso Jul 14 04:54:36 atleast it has voice dialing. Almost took my pre back cuase of that missing feature. Jul 14 04:54:55 Anivrom: Protip: webOS 2.0 will NOT feature VD Jul 14 04:54:55 Glad I didn't though, had a convo with someone even today about how pre's are the best phone, she wants one. Jul 14 04:55:00 kesne-info: lol i'm pretty sure it's called a "projector". holographs don't really exist :P Jul 14 04:55:03 torchie: Also, I have them because I post videos of me Jul 14 04:55:13 zsoc: No, they invented it, but it isn't that good Jul 14 04:55:16 you mean I get to see what you look like? Jul 14 04:55:31 torchie: if you wanted to see that, you could have asked Jul 14 04:55:39 shoot, I'd subscribe to that Jul 14 04:55:53 get a room guys Jul 14 04:55:57 Anivrom: you know what I look like, right? Jul 14 04:56:01 neg Jul 14 04:56:06 calm down anvi, I don't know if he's hot yet Jul 14 04:56:08 very small Jul 14 04:56:08 Google Images much? Jul 14 04:56:16 kesne is like a cricket Jul 14 04:56:19 my ATCrawler hasn't gone that dep yet Jul 14 04:56:21 kesne you could be my 14% Jul 14 04:56:22 zsoc: Only my penis Jul 14 04:56:26 kesne-info: touche Jul 14 04:56:32 I'm 5'11 Jul 14 04:56:42 <--- 6' 3: Jul 14 04:56:45 3" Jul 14 04:56:53 I'm 5'11 :d Jul 14 04:56:57 or probably 5'10 Jul 14 04:57:00 think I got shorter Jul 14 04:57:05 Heh Jul 14 04:57:11 I'm a scrawny white kid Jul 14 04:57:19 maybe since I cut off my glorious afro Jul 14 04:57:23 kesne: word, me too. Jul 14 04:57:28 minus the kid part Jul 14 04:57:34 I'm a black stallion Jul 14 04:58:00 4'1 but eat my spinach Jul 14 04:58:12 I can't gain weight for the life of me no matter how much I eat Jul 14 04:58:13 LoneStar99: YOU'RE TINY! Jul 14 04:58:17 xD Jul 14 04:58:39 kesne-info: jk 5'10 Jul 14 04:58:46 LoneStar99: Oh Jul 14 04:58:50 I was gonna make a joke Jul 14 04:58:57 u Jul 14 04:59:49 http://www.youtube.com/jordangenslermusic is my music channel, http://www.youtube.com/lemmon4815 is my generic channel for any crap at all. Jul 14 04:59:52 any perl junkies around? Jul 14 05:00:03 maik: If I said yes, I'd be lying Jul 14 05:00:17 liars go to hell Jul 14 05:00:25 at least, that's what my friend tells me Jul 14 05:00:29 I hope they serve beer in hell Jul 14 05:00:42 it will probably be nasty beer Jul 14 05:00:46 -_- Jul 14 05:00:54 Anivrom: ? Jul 14 05:01:00 the opposite of whatever you like Jul 14 05:01:22 only o'douls in hell Jul 14 05:01:24 maik: I like hot, flat beer Jul 14 05:01:37 satan knows when you're lying Jul 14 05:01:41 I'l a white-wine guy. Jul 14 05:01:49 you may be very upset that they do not serve your beer in hell. that satan is a crafty bastard Jul 14 05:02:25 we get heineken in heaven Jul 14 05:02:26 s/I'l/I'm Jul 14 05:02:33 digitalpowers: :D Jul 14 05:02:42 Hope I get in there! Jul 14 05:03:34 I'm thinking of recording myself buuut Jul 14 05:03:45 I haven't shaved in a while and look like a piece o shiaught Jul 14 05:03:47 [waves goodnight] Jul 14 05:03:48 torchie: Where'd you go? Jul 14 05:03:53 where'd who go Jul 14 05:03:54 cya doug Jul 14 05:04:02 so maik i have encountered a dilema in my converting of my territory database into a regular site wide database Jul 14 05:04:43 oh? wusat? Jul 14 05:04:51 Uh oh Jul 14 05:04:51 Can you guys see me? Jul 14 05:04:51 I think I dropped off the world Jul 14 05:04:57 "players" which were going to be my new users, are in teams to get their avatars ect, i kinda just want to do away with that aspect for now Jul 14 05:05:06 until i decide to reincarnate territory in the future Jul 14 05:05:23 but i feel bad actually hacking the db apart Jul 14 05:05:31 cause someone might still be playing Jul 14 05:05:40 make a backup Jul 14 05:05:44 oh Jul 14 05:05:52 create a new site then Jul 14 05:05:55 Anivrom: ? Jul 14 05:05:58 grumble Jul 14 05:06:02 yar? Jul 14 05:06:10 alright folks gonna hit the sack, chat laters Jul 14 05:06:16 gnight LoneStar99 Jul 14 05:06:16 i mean, use the same thing with a different backend, but on a different virtual directory or whatever Jul 14 05:06:18 under dp.com Jul 14 05:06:39 i suppose i could, bah Jul 14 05:06:53 going to check when the last activity was Jul 14 05:06:59 yes, precious, we could Jul 14 05:08:16 Finally got the dialog working wow. Jul 14 05:08:20 only took an hour Jul 14 05:09:59 hey! that's me! Jul 14 05:18:13 * Tibfib sees himself moving toward ubuntu Jul 14 05:19:10 Tibfib: discover anything wonderful yet? Jul 14 05:19:22 Tibfib: oh, and you probably want to sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras Jul 14 05:19:35 What does that do? Jul 14 05:19:52 I'm back in windows, need to get coding done, don't have time to install sdk yet Jul 14 05:20:05 installs all sorts of wonderful compatibility things that ubuntu decides not to ship by default due to some grey area licensing Jul 14 05:20:14 ms core fonts, java, flash, dvd playback and ripping, etc Jul 14 05:20:22 ooh, nice Jul 14 05:21:19 * Anivrom feels himself getting the urge to reinstall linux. Jul 14 05:21:31 I may go ubuntu on my next computer Jul 14 05:21:37 if my next computer isn't another mac Jul 14 05:21:50 I did the wubi thing Jul 14 05:21:59 Everytime i buy a new box, I tell myself I'm going to use windows. It just never happens. Jul 14 05:22:04 Tibfib: eh.. wubi.. isn't so wonderful imo Jul 14 05:22:14 Eh, perfect for now Jul 14 05:22:16 you know Jul 14 05:22:19 I don't even hate windows Jul 14 05:22:22 but I just don't wanna use it anymore Jul 14 05:22:31 Once I decide to go linux or not, I'll install it for real Jul 14 05:22:40 I have win 7 loaded in a VM running at all times in a view port.. uh.. something.. i think is -1 vertical and +4 horizontal Jul 14 05:22:51 the wonderful part of 8gb of ram and an i7, i don't even feel it Jul 14 05:22:56 oh, I'm not wielding that kind of power Jul 14 05:23:01 1GB ram, core 2 duo Jul 14 05:23:13 running a virtual machine is a special event around these parts Jul 14 05:23:14 torchie: i ran a solo core celeron 1.6 with 1.5gb ram for 6 years Jul 14 05:23:24 you get used to waiting lol Jul 14 05:23:30 lol Jul 14 05:24:07 When I make stage -j9, I can have something that takes 20 mins to build on my old box build in < 1 minute on this thing Jul 14 05:24:09 it's convenient Jul 14 05:24:13 I've been looking at the thinkpad x201, I think that may be upgradeable to 8GB ram -- I'm getting to this point where I'm not caring about anything but ram, weight, and battery life Jul 14 05:24:30 it is Jul 14 05:24:41 To me, cpu and ram are both very important.. i don't care about weight and battery but that's because it's more of a desktop replacement for me Jul 14 05:24:57 yeah I use a laptop in place of a desktop too but Jul 14 05:25:04 weight's a sort of just-in-case factor Jul 14 05:25:06 i need a good cpu but not the best Jul 14 05:25:10 like if a dinosaur attacks Jul 14 05:25:12 hence, my T400 Jul 14 05:25:24 I want to haul ass with less than 4 pounds of stuff Jul 14 05:25:27 i7 720 QM (low end i7) is very cheap Jul 14 05:25:32 m11x Jul 14 05:25:39 under $1k you can get one of those with a 360m video card and 8gb ram Jul 14 05:25:49 oh yeah forgot about how beastly the m11x was Jul 14 05:25:50 the 360m is crap Jul 14 05:26:00 the m11x r2's are amazing Jul 14 05:26:09 oc'ed to 2ghz Jul 14 05:26:17 I'm sort of banking on build quality with the x201 though Jul 14 05:26:19 halfhalo: the 360m is more powerful than the most powerful graphics card you could buy in a laptop 1 year ago :P Jul 14 05:26:28 if it can run Crysis on medium at 50 fps, it's a nice card :p Jul 14 05:26:29 thats not saying much Jul 14 05:26:30 like, I need need need a spillproof keyboard Jul 14 05:26:43 and a bit more shock resistance Jul 14 05:27:01 ssd Jul 14 05:27:03 I spilled orange juice on my macbook, now the left arrow key doesn't work Jul 14 05:27:24 which is a nightmare when editing text Jul 14 05:27:25 I want the x201t afps+ Jul 14 05:27:31 which is what I do with most of my time Jul 14 05:27:42 torchie: make the right arrow key go left Jul 14 05:28:06 Hell, my 8600mgt could run crysis at medium Jul 14 05:28:14 not too sure about ssd -- I hear the write/read limits aren't as good as hdd? Jul 14 05:28:25 thats wrong Jul 14 05:28:28 torchie: wear leveling ftw Jul 14 05:28:30 better? Jul 14 05:28:39 how reliable is wear leveling though Jul 14 05:28:39 actually, i believe ext4 has some sort of wear leveling built in for ssds Jul 14 05:28:48 with a good enough ssd it's fine Jul 14 05:28:52 by the time you hit the wear level on a ssd it will be so outdated its not even funny Jul 14 05:29:06 torchie: you don't need a left arrow in vi! Jul 14 05:29:16 this is true Jul 14 05:29:18 I heart my 80GB ssd Jul 14 05:29:20 both statements Jul 14 05:29:38 really I just want something that'll just not break Jul 14 05:29:41 when I need it most Jul 14 05:29:47 it won't Jul 14 05:30:36 you should to to notebookreview.com Jul 14 05:32:01 its an awesome site with an awesome forums Jul 14 05:32:19 and I don't say that just because I'm a moderator at all. Jul 14 05:32:23 lol. Jul 14 05:32:39 * torchie x201 review Jul 14 05:32:42 FOUR STARS? Jul 14 05:32:50 It was done by kevin Jul 14 05:32:54 less than perfect, less than perfect Jul 14 05:33:04 he be crazy for thinkpads Jul 14 05:33:29 if it got 4 starts from kevin, its a damn good laptop Jul 14 05:33:41 has kevin ever given a 5? Jul 14 05:34:02 Don't think so. The stars are relatively new. Jul 14 05:34:38 hmm bad color gamut Jul 14 05:34:44 :p Its my laptop in the T400 updated review for the pictures Jul 14 05:34:51 you get the afs+ screen Jul 14 05:34:53 it is amazin Jul 14 05:36:37 Yay necroposts! Jul 14 05:37:40 that battery life is amaaaaaazing Jul 14 05:37:54 m11x r2 :http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5766&review=alienware+m11x+r2+core+i7 Jul 14 05:38:01 I heart my 10 hours Jul 14 05:38:17 so it's a real 10 hours? Jul 14 05:38:22 yup Jul 14 05:38:52 With the ati card off, bluetooth and wifi off, ultrabay hdd out and screen at 2 it is Jul 14 05:39:08 on the m11x? Jul 14 05:39:13 whats a good hackintosh then? Jul 14 05:39:19 Bum11x i have no idea Jul 14 05:39:22 the best macintosh is a macintosh Jul 14 05:39:48 like straight up serious business here, if you plan to run osx get a mac Jul 14 05:39:53 well I have one of those already. Jul 14 05:40:04 Don't know much about hackintosh since its both banned from the forums (legal stuff) and a pain to get working Jul 14 05:40:12 just wanted something smaller for when i'm travelling Jul 14 05:40:24 unless you like dealing with kernel/driver/low level issues on what is supposed to be the most intuitive operating system Jul 14 05:40:28 wifey's calling me to bed ;) gotta go fellas gnite Jul 14 05:40:39 the msi wind might work Jul 14 05:40:53 there's always the ipad Jul 14 05:40:56 * torchie ducks. Jul 14 05:41:00 have one Jul 14 05:41:03 its meh Jul 14 05:41:13 it's thin Jul 14 05:41:16 it's beautiful Jul 14 05:41:21 it goes anywhere and lasts all day Jul 14 05:41:22 thats what she said Jul 14 05:41:43 oy m11x looks like it kinda owns the x201 Jul 14 05:41:59 their two different categories Jul 14 05:42:18 and the guy who did the m11x review sorta has a hard on for one Jul 14 05:43:50 well I mean is the categorical separation just the weight? Jul 14 05:44:02 gaming vs buisness Jul 14 05:44:04 this thing seems to still have awesome build quality and good specs Jul 14 05:44:48 thinkpad will have better build, but not specs for right now Jul 14 05:45:00 so thinkpad's still most definitely better build? Jul 14 05:45:07 yeah Jul 14 05:45:18 how much better does thinkpad tend to be relative to other laptop makers? Jul 14 05:45:22 but the m11x will still be better than 99% of consumer laptops out there Jul 14 05:45:32 its made to take abuse Jul 14 05:45:34 in terms of build quality Jul 14 05:45:38 buisness class Jul 14 05:45:38 like serious serious abuse? Jul 14 05:45:58 like in constant use for 6+ years without major fault Jul 14 05:46:26 I have the white plastic macbook from 2006, which is a major disappointment in this respect Jul 14 05:46:32 which is why I'm so concerned this time around Jul 14 05:48:07 both will be miles better Jul 14 05:49:46 probably gonna stick to business class Jul 14 05:49:54 even with the lesser screens Jul 14 05:50:08 look at the hp buisness and the dell buisness as well Jul 14 05:50:21 I've always had great experience with the build quality of Sony laptops Jul 14 05:50:21 is the build quality beyond thinkpad? Jul 14 05:50:45 my wife's Macbook has an exploded battery and a torn up power cord, but all the Sonys I've had have lasted me 5-6 years Jul 14 05:50:47 sonys are overpriced like crazy, have crap drivers, but awesome screens Jul 14 05:51:01 then again that vaio Z is amazing Jul 14 05:51:04 I think it was the Z Jul 14 05:51:07 no compromise at all Jul 14 05:51:09 The super thin one? Jul 14 05:51:12 yeah Jul 14 05:51:14 and hp/dell/lenovo are all pretty much the same build quality via buisnuess class Jul 14 05:51:20 super thin, switchable graphics, long battery life Jul 14 05:51:24 1080p 13.3" led on that z there Jul 14 05:51:40 I don't know what I would get if I were to get another laptop Jul 14 05:51:54 I spent $300 on upgrading my desktop and now I don't want to leave it Jul 14 05:52:04 my final differentiator in terms of business class laptops is the ability to run ubuntu Jul 14 05:52:05 It's amazing how much you can do when you build your own computer Jul 14 05:52:17 they all can rub ubuntu Jul 14 05:52:19 run* Jul 14 05:52:30 they can run ubuntu but can they DO ubuntu Jul 14 05:52:41 and 'm upgrading my desktop this summer from an oc'ed q6600 to an amd hex core Jul 14 05:52:50 Oh yeah, I thought about that ... Jul 14 05:52:56 yes, yes they can do ubuntu Jul 14 05:52:58 since the hex core is compatible with my motherboard Jul 14 05:53:16 (not like motherboard, processor combos are that expensive from Fry's or someplace, anyway, though) Jul 14 05:53:22 that doesn't make sense Jul 14 05:53:49 i mean when i bought my new lappy it failed miserably at linux.. just a few kernel parameters.. an acpi patch, and building my own kernel later.. everything is perfect :> Jul 14 05:53:49 I sorta get the 1090T for free… :p Jul 14 05:54:14 Hey all! Jul 14 05:54:16 well that's the difference between "running" linux and "doing" linux Jul 14 05:54:17 I'm back! Jul 14 05:54:17 :D Jul 14 05:54:29 torchie: I remember I was going to ask you something Jul 14 05:54:30 My c90s hated linux. acpi issues where it would mess up the battery's internal charge stuff Jul 14 05:54:33 it'd be great if everything worked straight from the install Jul 14 05:54:48 but my T400 is golden with the exception of the gpu Jul 14 05:54:49 torchie: you should subscribe to me Jul 14 05:54:51 last I checked the x201 was ubuntu "ready," which doesn't sound as good as ubuntu "certified" Jul 14 05:54:52 torchie: that's quite impossible Jul 14 05:54:55 silly switchable graphics Jul 14 05:54:56 Instead of endlessly tinkering ... spending your time fixing your computer instead of using it? Jul 14 05:55:06 i can make linux work on any box, just a matter of how much work it is Jul 14 05:55:27 elyon: endlessly tinkering? Took me about 3 hours to get it the way i want, including that kernel build. Jul 14 05:55:41 I'm talking about past experiences Jul 14 05:55:52 I don't mean that Linux always requires endless tinkering Jul 14 05:55:57 i need more ssd's Jul 14 05:56:10 It'd be nice if my Wifi would stop dropping me Jul 14 05:56:10 But it certainly can, depending on the system and how experienced you are Jul 14 05:56:19 hah Jul 14 05:57:55 OH NOES Jul 14 05:58:02 eh? Jul 14 05:58:16 pandora--: 0.o Jul 14 05:59:28 hi all Jul 14 05:59:36 * pandora-- waves Jul 14 05:59:59 oy it's late (early) Jul 14 06:00:04 nice chat, y'all Jul 14 06:03:13 I'm out Jul 14 06:03:15 laterz Jul 14 07:01:27 Hey Jul 14 07:01:35 * pandora-- waves Jul 14 07:01:44 What's up guys? Jul 14 07:01:53 bout to go to bed :) Jul 14 07:02:08 Same here :( Jul 14 07:02:31 Blehhh..well night Jul 14 07:09:26 mmm, bed Jul 14 07:44:18 * dekan hands someone bananas in exchange for bananas Jul 14 07:44:47 ban.. danas Jul 14 07:44:49 ? Jul 14 07:46:59 How can i display the table contents of database using Mojo.log?? Jul 14 07:52:15 awesome is codeslaw Jul 14 07:52:29 please help Jul 14 07:56:15 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Jul 14 07:58:19 dekan: shutup Jul 14 07:58:20 A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand. Jul 14 07:58:27 How can i display the table contents of database using Mojo.log?? Jul 14 07:58:56 dekan: shut up for 8h Jul 14 07:58:57 Okay maik. I'll be back later Jul 14 07:59:20 soul1: i don't know the answer to your question, sorry Jul 14 07:59:22 night all Jul 14 07:59:32 ok Jul 14 07:59:37 night Jul 14 08:03:15 * dekan fumbles and drops bananas. Jul 14 08:12:53 How can i display the table contents of database using Mojo.log?? Jul 14 08:16:15 * dekan drops bananas and takes bananas. Jul 14 08:18:16 * EmmettLollis steals some bananas Jul 14 09:29:06 hi guys ... i think someone is awake ... what does getScenes() do ? Jul 14 09:30:23 any one? Jul 14 10:19:11 does setupWidget have to be in the Assistant.prototype.setup function or can I do it later in the assistant? Jul 14 10:45:24 Hi Jul 14 10:47:09 good morning Jul 14 11:43:30 wasn't thehot pdk competition suppose to begin tomorrow Jul 14 11:50:28 renegaid, yes Jul 14 11:50:57 guess another delay is coming Jul 14 11:51:30 why? Jul 14 11:57:17 who has the update besides germany Jul 14 12:08:04 but is the update a must for the hot app program? Jul 14 12:33:26 I hope the PDK Hot App competition starts as planned - it might cause US PDK app authors to consider the world market ;) Jul 14 12:33:45 morning webosuns Jul 14 12:34:28 morning... Jul 14 12:35:27 I'm ready for a new device Jul 14 12:37:29 morning Jul 14 12:40:27 I also am ready Jul 14 12:40:58 I'm terrified that I will succumb to device envy and purchase an Evo... Jul 14 12:41:52 hi guys ... i now known that getScenes() .. will be a stack of scenes ... how can i check a particular scene in that stack? Jul 14 12:43:49 what do you want to do with the scene? Jul 14 12:46:00 yes, evo envy here as well Jul 14 12:47:37 for example, getScenes[0].sceneName will give you the scene name... Jul 14 12:47:51 ...of the bottom-most scene on the stack Jul 14 12:57:52 that's what I still don't get avout js Jul 14 13:14:34 haeffb evo is awesome. go try a one at the store Jul 14 13:15:37 with apples vphone (vista phone) having problems like it is, evo/X will saturate the market Jul 14 13:21:52 evo - does it actually kill apps without an appkilling app? Jul 14 13:22:35 that's the obnoxious thing about that os Jul 14 13:22:53 everything runs all the time Jul 14 13:28:53 it is a little weird about that BigBiff Jul 14 13:29:54 but at least all the task killink aps were written in india - so you can't understand the instructions at all Jul 14 13:30:06 killink k/g Jul 14 13:30:23 no offense to india Jul 14 14:06:59 morning all Jul 14 14:08:58 morning HattCzech Jul 14 14:28:56 I'm trying to troubleshoot and SSL issue using the emulator. I am wondering, does the web browser store logs Jul 14 14:30:26 best to check the logs of the server you are trying to contact (if u can) Jul 14 14:30:47 sadly, I can't Jul 14 14:31:46 I'm having problems with a client certificate. Seems to work with iphone but not palm pre Jul 14 14:32:49 sniffer maybe? Jul 14 14:35:17 good idea Jul 14 14:43:45 hey Jul 14 14:48:16 WHY? Why must there be two meetings per week? Jul 14 14:50:08 well hello there my old friends Jul 14 14:50:43 hello Jul 14 14:50:53 sugardave: One meeting doesn't waste enough time! Jul 14 14:51:28 yes, productivity can't completely stop with just one meeting Jul 14 14:51:56 * sugardave sighs. "I guess so." Jul 14 14:52:07 * sugardave kicks the cat for good measure. Jul 14 14:52:18 poor cat Jul 14 14:52:32 atlanta: hi there Jul 14 14:52:46 sugardave: wsup how you been? Jul 14 14:53:00 pretty good, how about yourself? Jul 14 14:54:29 pretty good just been working on some other things in life you know how that goes Jul 14 14:54:47 yes, I am familiar :D Jul 14 14:55:01 Roy-Pre101: I'll give you a dollar to setup a wiki for my class Jul 14 14:55:21 lulwikis Jul 14 14:55:27 i bet alot of things have changed since i been gone Jul 14 14:55:30 tie to do soem learning Jul 14 14:55:53 time Jul 14 14:55:53 atlanta: lots... new devices, os updates.. Jul 14 14:56:04 indeedy i see :-) Jul 14 14:56:07 hehe Jul 14 14:56:46 looking like im gonna try out a EVO Jul 14 14:57:05 seems to be the trend Jul 14 14:57:08 because has failed me with a new extraordinary device :-( Jul 14 14:57:19 but i dont think ima sell my pre Jul 14 14:57:23 probably will still make some apps Jul 14 14:57:29 I'm gonna fight the urge Jul 14 14:57:36 lol Jul 14 14:58:01 I dig the card structure too much Jul 14 14:58:14 oh yea i love it Jul 14 14:58:17 wife's android makes me tired Jul 14 14:58:40 but i wanna get a new phone now so next year when palm finally comes out with one ill be in my upgrade period Jul 14 14:58:58 ahh, fair enuf Jul 14 14:59:26 * sugardave is waiting. Jul 14 14:59:51 they need to annonce something damnit so i can fight the urge Jul 14 15:00:03 sugardave: meeting essential checklist app Jul 14 15:00:51 clipboard, legal pad, unreadable bound material filled with pretty graphs Jul 14 15:01:03 and oh my lord when are we getting this damn mic api update Jul 14 15:01:04 ? Jul 14 15:01:11 never Jul 14 15:01:17 muahahah Jul 14 15:01:43 ur not lying lol Jul 14 15:02:06 oh this text message backup talking has came up again i see Jul 14 15:02:06 PalmDatabase.db3 Jul 14 15:02:13 such a bad idea Jul 14 15:14:01 ok ill be back later Jul 14 15:17:34 ;) Jul 14 15:20:23 ha ha Jul 14 15:20:26 heh Jul 14 15:21:07 missed atlanta. havent "seen" him in a while Jul 14 15:21:57 Dr_LOVE do you have actuall apps in the catalog? Jul 14 15:23:01 yes I do: Mind Master, BOFH Excuse Generator, and Yule Log (the BEST holiday fireplace app on webOS) Jul 14 15:23:17 oh yeah Jul 14 15:23:22 i forgot about those Jul 14 15:23:28 that's it so far :D Jul 14 15:23:48 u get your 150 bux back yet? Jul 14 15:23:58 I never had to pay Jul 14 15:24:09 ah. got em in under the wire eh? Jul 14 15:24:14 the only money I've paid was the original $5 to set up my dev account Jul 14 15:24:29 yes, I rushed BOFH out to make the deadline :) Jul 14 15:24:44 1/2 baked Jul 14 15:24:51 not yet Jul 14 15:24:52 er Jul 14 15:24:58 (the app i mean) Jul 14 15:25:04 oh! :P Jul 14 15:25:15 Dr_LOVE: what do you think about cherry dr. pepper? Jul 14 15:25:27 Amazingly smooth Jul 14 15:25:35 SMOOOOOOOTH Jul 14 15:25:40 she's hot.. Jul 14 15:25:43 it's got a KIIIISSSS of cherry Jul 14 15:25:53 hahahaah Jul 14 15:26:36 I'm watching my cat slowly torture a yellow jacket Jul 14 15:26:38 good kitty Jul 14 15:27:42 does this webos bot do anything useful ? Jul 14 15:28:51 I say ban anyone with Dr in their name Jul 14 15:29:23 i didnt spend 8 yrs getting my associates degree to be called Mr.. Jul 14 15:29:37 yes you did Jul 14 15:30:01 lol Jul 14 15:33:24 Can't talk, zombies! Jul 14 15:33:30 heh Jul 14 15:33:33 again? Jul 14 15:43:07 oil: I updated my stupid mojo trick, I forgot an important piece of information: http://bit.ly/cdqLuN Jul 14 15:46:38 Can't talk, zombies! Jul 14 16:01:42 mornin Jul 14 16:05:38 But I've already got another banana! Jul 14 16:07:03 Dr_LOVE: ? Jul 14 16:07:26 heh Jul 14 16:07:30 ah Jul 14 16:07:41 though i dont know what you added Jul 14 16:07:49 because i didn't completely read the content the last time Jul 14 16:08:03 :/ Jul 14 16:08:08 oh, just the last 2 sentences about when to setupWidget and calling instantiateChildWidgets Jul 14 16:08:13 FINE! Jul 14 16:08:19 ah Jul 14 16:08:56 ive just never needed to do a template of the whole scene Jul 14 16:09:10 but if i ever do, its the first place ill look :) Jul 14 16:09:23 yeah, it has limited use cases, but good to know :D Jul 14 16:12:38 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Jul 14 16:15:01 it's K-Flood Jul 14 16:15:30 ARG! Jul 14 16:16:16 seriously can we ban him Jul 14 16:16:33 * sugardave searches for an op. Jul 14 16:17:02 what's up? Jul 14 16:17:12 CTLAdvance wants to ban someone Jul 14 16:17:22 * sugardave points at k-. Jul 14 16:18:20 to bad there is no script to say if someone leaves and comes back more than 10 times, they get kicked for 6 hours Jul 14 16:18:56 and not username Jul 14 16:18:59 ban on ip Jul 14 16:19:52 let's see if he comes back... Jul 14 16:20:03 good plan Jul 14 16:20:14 lol pwnd Jul 14 16:20:18 once the ban hammer is out, it can get ugly Jul 14 16:20:18 thanks Jul 14 16:20:23 I'll watch him a bit before I ban him. Need to finish getting ready for work, though. Jul 14 16:20:24 yeah Jul 14 16:21:12 oh. Mah. God. I need a new webhost Jul 14 16:23:35 live from Garden City Beach, SC....it's haeffb! Jul 14 16:23:46 booo! Jul 14 16:23:53 ;) Jul 14 16:27:38 then haeffb says, "I CAN't HEAR You GARDEN CITY!!" Jul 14 16:27:58 heh Jul 14 16:28:16 except he's too drunk, so he says "DETROIT" instead Jul 14 16:28:29 hehe Jul 14 16:29:16 * BigBiff runs onstage to replace bad mike Jul 14 16:29:38 * BigBiff lets mullet flow in the breeze Jul 14 16:30:54 "sibilance, check one, sibilance" Jul 14 16:31:53 damn, now I want to play ROck Band 2 Jul 14 16:31:53 sibilents? Jul 14 16:32:08 syllabus? Jul 14 16:32:38 cmo now, that's a good snl referance Jul 14 16:33:08 waynes world, tom hanks, aerosmith Jul 14 16:33:18 oh ooops Jul 14 16:33:52 1993? Jul 14 16:34:12 I remember it, just not that well :D Jul 14 16:36:27 that was college, my memories are hazy of that era as well Jul 14 16:44:49 Do you guys know if the Pre support client side certificates Jul 14 16:47:41 dond: looks like it Jul 14 16:47:52 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6369&hilit=certificates Jul 14 16:50:12 sugardave: that appears to be related to a server certificate. What I need is the palm browser to pass my client certificate to the server Jul 14 16:51:13 dond: oh, I am not very knowledgeable on the subject in general Jul 14 17:16:26 * BigBiff is bad at setting up wiki Jul 14 17:20:27 Hey all Jul 14 17:20:35 Hello Jul 14 17:20:41 hi Jul 14 17:21:25 hi fives allround w00t Jul 14 17:24:52 hi kesne Jul 14 17:24:56 hi everyone Jul 14 17:25:02 Hey Dirka Jul 14 17:25:03 * dkirker high fives Anivrom Jul 14 17:25:06 w00t Jul 14 17:25:10 dkirker: You're my favorite. Jul 14 17:25:22 hehe Jul 14 17:25:26 aww Jul 14 17:25:30 so precious Jul 14 17:25:34 * Anivrom runs to get his camera Jul 14 17:25:51 lol Jul 14 17:27:44 heya cdm! Jul 14 18:00:23 * HattCzech_work wonders how the hot apps contest is going to fare when the US isn't capable of downloading PDK apps Jul 14 18:00:34 Nor canada Jul 14 18:00:49 good point Jul 14 18:00:57 2 biggest markets lol! Jul 14 18:01:07 well maybe not canada :OP Jul 14 18:01:13 One can dream though Jul 14 18:02:20 ehhh, i'd have to say canada is small Jul 14 18:02:38 I would agree. :P I was daydreaming again Jul 14 18:03:03 (based on admob geo reporting...) Jul 14 18:03:32 US: ~43k requests... Canada: ~300 Jul 14 18:03:41 el oh el Jul 14 18:03:42 (for my app) Jul 14 18:04:11 oh wait, that was impressions... Jul 14 18:04:28 hrm Jul 14 18:04:29 requests... US: ~78k, Canada: ~1k Jul 14 18:04:38 still sad. Jul 14 18:04:47 true Jul 14 18:04:56 but either way... we need 1.4.5.x Jul 14 18:05:00 Rgr! Jul 14 18:05:16 indeed Jul 14 18:09:02 My prediction: today Jul 14 18:34:24 I wonder if they are relabeling everything to say HP Jul 14 18:35:08 "The Simple Sounds" would be a good name for a band. Jul 14 18:36:37 Where the heck is the global.css file in my app? Jul 14 18:36:47 I don't see it in any directories. Or do I have to creat it myself Jul 14 18:37:34 funkatron: hey funky, listened to your podcast on webos roundup. you're famous! Jul 14 18:37:42 BIG TIME STUFF Jul 14 18:38:08 Just got a newsletter subject palm developer newsletter. Jul 14 18:38:16 a new era for webos developers Jul 14 18:38:23 oh yeah, i did as well Jul 14 18:38:29 Sounds intermeresting Jul 14 18:39:37 meh alot of fluff we've been notified of already Jul 14 18:40:20 Anivrom: global.css is not in your app...it comes with webOS Jul 14 18:40:45 oh where do I find it then? cause when I place a radio button on my app I can't adjust the size... Jul 14 18:41:14 it's in the SDK directory under refcode Jul 14 18:41:26 you can override the classes in your app.css Jul 14 18:41:35 how would you all recommend uploading an image to a server? Jul 14 18:41:47 from a device Jul 14 18:41:54 does it have to be app.css specifically? Jul 14 18:42:03 Or can it be any css I'm using in my app Jul 14 18:42:19 I have this in my gamestyle.css file already but it's not working palm-radiobutton { Jul 14 18:42:19 clear: both; Jul 14 18:42:19 margin: 10px 4px 10px 4px; Jul 14 18:42:19 height: 20px; Jul 14 18:42:19 min-width: 120px; Jul 14 18:42:20 } Jul 14 18:43:23 any css file that is loaded in your app Jul 14 18:43:55 Wonder why it's not working then. Do I need to point the radio button to that css code? Jul 14 18:44:11 And should palm-radiobutton have a . infront of it? .palm-radiobutton Jul 14 18:44:37 yes, should have a . Jul 14 18:45:14 sweet works with a . Jul 14 18:46:05 thanks haeffb_! hope your vacation is going well. Btw aside from a few graphical glitches in webos itself I was able to change the emu orientation with the fix we came up with Jul 14 18:46:33 just fyi Jul 14 18:49:52 I already have bananas. Jul 14 18:55:36 sweet! you can use no break space / alt + 0160 to trick webos into treating like a spacer instead of a spacebar character, which it ignores in formatting Jul 14 18:55:52 treating it* Jul 14 18:58:52 I don't know Jul 14 19:00:32 did they announce the top apps final list yet? Jul 14 19:00:38 for the sdk Jul 14 19:00:50 nope Jul 14 19:03:04 dekan: hi Jul 14 19:03:04 Error at 0x08: Reference not found Jul 14 19:03:14 CTLAdvance: not yet, unfortunately Jul 14 19:03:22 awesome Jul 14 19:03:22 awesome is codeslaw Jul 14 19:03:47 Watch them give us all 1k in either HP funds or new envy instead of cash Jul 14 19:04:03 i wouldn't mind an envy 14 Jul 14 19:04:26 are some of you folks in the running for cash from the first one? Jul 14 19:05:07 i am Jul 14 19:05:13 if they verify i was in the top 221 Jul 14 19:05:20 codeslaw as well Jul 14 19:05:20 "Codeslaw As Well" would make a good name for a rock band. Jul 14 19:05:27 swisstomcat also Jul 14 19:05:35 nice Jul 14 19:05:35 hah Jul 14 19:05:50 MetaView i think was in for a couple Jul 14 19:05:53 I was around 140 Jul 14 19:06:10 so yeah, there are a few of us Jul 14 19:06:18 nice, CTLAdvance Jul 14 19:06:20 Protip: webOS 1.4.5 today Jul 14 19:06:32 mine was 217 before the site stopped showing stats Jul 14 19:06:42 Mine was like 105 Jul 14 19:06:44 kesne is planet eaters a c/cpp app or mojo Jul 14 19:06:49 i am hoping to compete in the pdk one but the javascriptie htmlie bussiness was frustrating for me Jul 14 19:06:58 kesne what did you have in there Jul 14 19:07:08 Checkers Jul 14 19:07:19 You launched that before the contest Jul 14 19:07:25 didnt you Jul 14 19:07:27 bah, sprint needs to hurry up and push it Jul 14 19:07:29 Yessir Jul 14 19:07:36 so you cant be on the list Jul 14 19:07:41 Wrong sir Jul 14 19:07:43 they could be launched before the contest but only dl's durring the contest counted Jul 14 19:07:45 otherwise I should have had a few others Jul 14 19:07:47 do we know anything about 1.4.5.1? Jul 14 19:07:51 when/etc? Jul 14 19:08:02 oh then I should have several apps on the list if that was the case Jul 14 19:08:16 CTLAdvance: Did you ever check the leaderboard? Jul 14 19:08:19 pandora--: Today Jul 14 19:08:36 Yes I did Jul 14 19:08:48 kesne: sauce? Jul 14 19:08:51 CTLAdvance: Where your apps in there? Jul 14 19:09:10 pandora--: Sorry, I uses all the sauce on my sandwich Jul 14 19:09:16 s/uses/used Jul 14 19:09:32 dotgame was like #42 last i checked Jul 14 19:09:33 ... source of your information? Jul 14 19:09:46 date of release had nothing to do with it Jul 14 19:09:59 oil: ? Jul 14 19:10:03 pandora--: Myself Jul 14 19:10:18 You launched that before the contest Jul 14 19:10:18 so you cant be on the list Jul 14 19:10:18 pandora--: Put the facts together, and you have a release day of today Jul 14 19:10:24 Oh right Jul 14 19:10:24 i was pointing out how wrong that was :) Jul 14 19:10:26 lol Jul 14 19:10:29 kesne: fail Jul 14 19:10:29 Yeah, good Jul 14 19:10:34 pandora--: ? Jul 14 19:10:50 If Checkers launched when the contest started, I'd win a lot more Jul 14 19:10:52 hrm Jul 14 19:10:52 kesne: your source for stating that it will be out today is.. you saying it Jul 14 19:11:01 heheheh Jul 14 19:11:28 ;) Jul 14 19:11:29 i haven't updated dotgame in close to a year Jul 14 19:11:36 and made it to #42 Jul 14 19:11:36 oil: )h Jul 14 19:11:37 tsktsktsk Jul 14 19:11:39 Bleh Jul 14 19:11:51 I need monies Jul 14 19:11:57 i <3'd dot game when it came out Jul 14 19:12:00 kesne: wash my car Jul 14 19:12:01 kesne = scrooge mcduck Jul 14 19:12:10 Keen Studios is a big waste of money Jul 14 19:12:16 yes you are Jul 14 19:12:21 I am not KD Jul 14 19:12:22 *KS Jul 14 19:12:25 I am Kesne Jul 14 19:12:27 Or Jordan Jul 14 19:12:27 I need monies for webhost Jul 14 19:12:27 except his vault is empty Jul 14 19:12:29 Or Mr. Gensler Jul 14 19:12:42 KS = VPS Jul 14 19:12:53 keen studios must really suck Jul 14 19:13:01 if the guy who started it distances himself from it so Jul 14 19:13:06 venomous pit snake, eh? Jul 14 19:13:22 It does suck Jul 14 19:13:23 kesne: i could use a maid around here too. $50 to clean my place. and you'll get monies Jul 14 19:13:35 pandora--: I could make more selling drugs Jul 14 19:13:42 lol Jul 14 19:13:45 you're what, 9? Jul 14 19:13:49 wait so oil Jul 14 19:13:50 * halfhalo_class whistlse at that Jul 14 19:14:00 originally - you had to release after the contest started Jul 14 19:14:01 YOU SAW NOTHING Jul 14 19:14:06 kesne: but cleaning my place is legal :) Jul 14 19:14:09 did they change that Jul 14 19:14:10 the bot was more entertaining than you guys...can we get the bot back? Jul 14 19:14:17 NO Jul 14 19:14:20 CTLAdvance: i dont recall ever reading something like that Jul 14 19:14:21 pandora--: Psh Jul 14 19:14:22 go north Jul 14 19:14:22 digitalpowers: you are in a room, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the north and south Jul 14 19:14:33 GO SOUTH! Jul 14 19:14:33 kesne: you are on a hillside, there is nothing to see. There are exits to the south and north Jul 14 19:14:36 not that bot, the other bot Jul 14 19:15:06 Who is this crappy bot? Jul 14 19:15:09 pandora--: that depends on what kind of drugs he sells Jul 14 19:15:14 it could just be coffee and alcohol Jul 14 19:15:15 I am bawt Jul 14 19:15:18 which are very much drugs Jul 14 19:15:23 but not illegal Jul 14 19:15:29 kesne is a bot Jul 14 19:15:36 ack Jul 14 19:15:37 oil: still illegal if you don't have a state resale license :P Jul 14 19:15:52 dekan: remember digitalpowers bot Jul 14 19:15:52 Okay, maik, remembering "kesne is a bot". Jul 14 19:15:55 right, but thats a fine Jul 14 19:15:56 not jailtime Jul 14 19:16:02 pandora--: It's only illegal if you get caught. Jul 14 19:16:17 dekan: kesne? Jul 14 19:16:17 kesne is bot Jul 14 19:16:30 webos-info: lol Jul 14 19:16:37 dekan: quotes digitalpowers Jul 14 19:16:37 I cannot access that data. Jul 14 19:16:38 LOLOLOLL Jul 14 19:16:39 hmm Jul 14 19:16:45 webos-info: or if the dealer makes you do dirty things Jul 14 19:16:45 someone replaced kesne with a small shell script? Jul 14 19:16:54 pandora--: Dealers are nice Jul 14 19:16:56 it was surprisingly easy Jul 14 19:17:05 webos-info: some, well most Jul 14 19:17:10 You all should buy this app: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=net.keenstudios.planeteaters Jul 14 19:17:18 no Jul 14 19:17:20 it sucks Jul 14 19:17:22 * oil doesn't touch keenstudio apps Jul 14 19:17:22 you lie Jul 14 19:17:27 i keep getting told they're crap Jul 14 19:17:33 oil: By who? Jul 14 19:17:36 you Jul 14 19:17:37 me Jul 14 19:19:17 I wish CTLAdvance would read his messages Jul 14 19:20:01 * CTLAdvance just read and responded... Jul 14 19:20:05 * CTLAdvance is also on a call Jul 14 19:20:12 it be top gear torrent ^H^H^H totally legal download time? Jul 14 19:21:19 don't be hatin Jul 14 19:21:28 * kesne doesn't care that CTLAdvance is on a call Jul 14 19:21:33 currently having a severe thunderstorm at the beach Jul 14 19:21:55 What are these "thunderstorms" you speak of. We do not have them here Jul 14 19:23:34 thunderbolts and lightening, very very frightening Jul 14 19:23:51 I live in socal. We don't get those Jul 14 19:23:57 earthquakes, yes Jul 14 19:24:00 fire, yes Jul 14 19:24:05 not so much thunderstorms Jul 14 19:24:07 like an earthquake, but completely different Jul 14 19:24:52 Last time I was in a thunderstorm was when I flew out of phoenix during a monsoon Jul 14 19:27:21 thunderstorms are fun Jul 14 19:27:26 just stay indoors Jul 14 19:28:20 thats kite flyin' weather Jul 14 19:28:53 Take a stunt kite and a skateboard Jul 14 19:29:03 Or a bed sheet and a skateboard Jul 14 19:32:16 thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening Jul 14 19:32:16 me Galileo Galileo Galileo Figaro Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o Jul 14 19:32:31 I got that song stuck in my head ... Jul 14 19:32:36 keke Jul 14 19:35:52 Not a bloody clue, sir. Jul 14 19:40:08 dekan: something random Jul 14 19:40:08 Error at 0x08: Reference not found Jul 14 19:40:13 heh Jul 14 19:42:28 Are these docs current? - http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/ Jul 14 19:44:16 dohtem: Probably not Jul 14 19:44:54 dohtem: Those are the original docs Jul 14 19:45:08 they come up so much when I google anything Mojo related. Jul 14 19:45:16 Heh Jul 14 19:45:23 Those are for webOS 1.0 Jul 14 19:45:37 kesne wouldn't know, he never googles anything xD Jul 14 19:45:38 where do it say Jul 14 19:45:49 oil: :P Jul 14 19:45:54 dohtem: What? Jul 14 19:45:54 where does it say? * Jul 14 19:46:04 that those are for 1.0 Jul 14 19:46:06 dohtem: Be a developer long enough and you know :P Jul 14 19:46:08 lol oil Jul 14 19:46:09 It's a gues Jul 14 19:46:11 *guess Jul 14 19:46:27 Those are what the docs looked like back when they were packaged with the SDK Jul 14 19:46:36 before I knew chuq Jul 14 19:47:06 chuq pulled his hair out after kesne found his email... then phone Jul 14 19:47:13 lol Jul 14 19:47:17 Then address Jul 14 19:47:23 then he moved in next door Jul 14 19:47:33 Now chuq believes in the right to bear arms. Jul 14 19:47:43 lol Jul 14 19:47:51 I really don't want to go to this meeting Jul 14 19:47:59 yeah he was at the shooting range with me last week Jul 14 19:48:01 Pretty much Jul 14 19:48:01 I have nothing to tell them... Jul 14 19:48:05 you always have a meeting to go to halfhalo_class Jul 14 19:48:06 he posted jordans face as the target Jul 14 19:48:12 I have meetings every wed Jul 14 19:48:15 same time Jul 14 19:48:21 http://current.com/17nam4c ? Jul 14 19:48:40 Who is Jordan Jul 14 19:48:48 Stupid new tv in conference room doesn't have vga in either Jul 14 19:48:55 did I spell it wrong again Jul 14 19:49:33 * halfhalo_class slaps oil with a larger than ordinary, non-standard, frames compatible, Microsoft trout. Jul 14 19:49:36 :p Jul 14 19:49:53 bear arms? its funny! Jul 14 19:50:00 I LOL'D Jul 14 19:50:20 oil just did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-Ruwv6rrM Jul 14 19:50:21 halfhalo... lol Jul 14 19:52:50 time to go with the ghetto laptop Jul 14 19:54:07 * CTLAdvance is building a trout slapping machine that slapps someone seven times a second with a larger than ordinary, non-standard, frames compatible, Microsoft patented trout Jul 14 19:54:34 bla bla syllabus bla wiki bla, I wanna quit Jul 14 19:54:44 my job Jul 14 19:54:44 then do it Jul 14 19:54:52 do it, come on, do it Jul 14 19:54:54 do it Jul 14 19:54:58 :/ Jul 14 19:55:01 do it Jul 14 19:55:11 becareful you heard about jonny verbeck and his machine Jul 14 19:55:13 do it! Jul 14 19:55:43 whats that Jul 14 19:56:00 this.controller.get("txtName").value; generates an error Cannot read property 'value' of object in log... Anyone wanna guess why? Jul 14 19:56:03 at least I'm creating a class from thin air Jul 14 19:56:09 you know mr. jonny verbeck and his sausage making machine Jul 14 19:56:19 why did I agree to do that? Jul 14 19:56:21 Anivrom>> is txtName Mojo input ? Jul 14 19:56:30 huh? Jul 14 19:56:59 Anivrom>> try this.controller.get("txtName").mojo.getValue() Jul 14 19:57:34 10/4 Jul 14 19:57:40 Hi Jul 14 19:57:48 Hxh Jul 14 19:57:56 hi Jul 14 20:00:52 :p Jul 14 20:00:55 ohhhhh mr mr jonny verbek how could you be so mean Jul 14 20:01:12 I told you, you'd be sorry for inventin' that machine Jul 14 20:01:36 now all the neighbors cats and dogs will nevermore be seen Jul 14 20:01:43 For they'll be ground to sausages in Johnny Verbeck's machine. Jul 14 20:02:09 Georgo: didn't work. Jul 14 20:02:30 Anivrom>> what the element txtName exatly is ? Jul 14 20:02:48 cannot read property mojo. txtName is a text input field Jul 14 20:04:23 Anivrom>> and is it correctly generated as Mojo Widget ? Jul 14 20:05:03 erm using ares Jul 14 20:05:09 I dont generate any widgets Jul 14 20:05:43 Oh, Ares. The wysiwug "miracle" :/ Jul 14 20:05:54 * wusiwyg Jul 14 20:06:13 what u see is what you get? Jul 14 20:06:26 what you see with ares is what you hope you get Jul 14 20:06:37 what's the downside to storing a JS object as a string in a SQLite DB using Object.toJSON(myObj) and myObj = string.evalJSON() ? Jul 14 20:07:01 sql injections Jul 14 20:07:11 discombobulate>> unfortunatelly :/ Jul 14 20:07:13 all done on device Jul 14 20:07:20 haeffb_ : sql injections and security Jul 14 20:07:29 Georgo; it does show promise though.. Jul 14 20:08:00 what's the security risk on the device? someone hacks into the device & modifies the database? Jul 14 20:08:18 webos apps are super easy to change Jul 14 20:08:24 since they dont compile Jul 14 20:08:24 haeffb_: Silly question, but why aren't you using the Depot? Jul 14 20:08:24 SUPER EASY! Jul 14 20:08:29 mine compiles! Jul 14 20:08:32 i know someone how came down to miami with a pre for vacation, and went back to find somehow their phone got sniffed and billed multiple calls to cuba Jul 14 20:08:35 well pdk apps compile Jul 14 20:08:39 but mojo ones dont Jul 14 20:08:57 does webos us a JIT compiler? Jul 14 20:08:57 dohtem: because my database has grown well beyond the capabilities of Depot Jul 14 20:09:02 if not, why not i say Jul 14 20:09:06 ah Jul 14 20:10:14 & now I need to save in a db record a variable length subset of a variable length list of items. Jul 14 20:11:10 maybe I need to look at this differently... Jul 14 20:11:49 jit... eew Jul 14 20:12:33 ...but toJSON and evalJSON seem to be a very simple way to handle my needs. Jul 14 20:12:34 JIT is sex Jul 14 20:12:41 I use eval Jul 14 20:12:41 "I Use Eval" would be a good name for a band. Jul 14 20:12:43 eval is hawt Jul 14 20:13:07 Am I the only one that finds dekan annoying? Jul 14 20:14:07 lol I love 15 year olds and their .net bliss Jul 14 20:14:35 I hate 15 year olds and their .net bliss Jul 14 20:16:11 kesne: yes, but you're also impartial Jul 14 20:16:22 What? Jul 14 20:16:30 when did everyone decide to be cool and have lowercase name's like me? Jul 14 20:16:38 Lies Jul 14 20:16:39 I've used lowercase names since 1996 Jul 14 20:16:42 jigga please Jul 14 20:16:50 Mines always lowercase Jul 14 20:16:57 that's what she said Jul 14 20:16:59 Now it's uppercase! Jul 14 20:17:05 zsoc: Hah! Jul 14 20:17:10 It's funny because it's true Jul 14 20:17:31 /nick kesne /nickserv identify rainbowtreesarecool Jul 14 20:17:32 whoops Jul 14 20:17:52 Hah :P Jul 14 20:17:56 You think you're funny? Jul 14 20:18:05 no Jul 14 20:18:06 my password is better than that Jul 14 20:18:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellar_door Jul 14 20:18:16 my password is keenstudiosrawks Jul 14 20:19:07 Aww man, chuq registered his name D: Jul 14 20:19:18 He won't tell you his actual password but luckily I hacked his account and I know it's keenstudiosisforsuckers Jul 14 20:19:26 Hah Jul 14 20:19:47 Look, I'm like oil! Jul 14 20:19:53 greasy Jul 14 20:20:14 * oil kills doppelganger Jul 14 20:20:22 :O Jul 14 20:20:29 I'm the real oil! Jul 14 20:20:49 no /i'm the real oil Jul 14 20:20:51 depending on your font Jul 14 20:20:58 * oiI kills his serifs Jul 14 20:21:12 Is that an i? Jul 14 20:21:13 Stop the oil spreading :D Jul 14 20:21:18 im the real oil wtf Jul 14 20:21:28 :O Jul 14 20:21:41 Georgo: LOLOL Jul 14 20:21:44 bp hired us to beat up some wildlife in the gulf Jul 14 20:21:50 Yeah Jul 14 20:21:59 I like this one Jul 14 20:22:12 Because with my font, it looks like oil Jul 14 20:22:22 no, you look like oiI Jul 14 20:22:32 oil: get a better font Jul 14 20:22:45 What font ur using ? Times ?! Jul 14 20:22:57 YAY! Jul 14 20:22:58 fonts Jul 14 20:22:58 Um why is it when I push my main scene from my dialog box with swapScene("main"); the main scene semiloads and then my dialog is pushed again Jul 14 20:23:00 serifs forever! Jul 14 20:23:01 how do tehy work? Jul 14 20:23:17 nvm Jul 14 20:23:27 anivrom: weird things when pushing scenes from dialogs Jul 14 20:23:30 with call back methods Jul 14 20:23:52 Does BP have an IRC room? Jul 14 20:23:54 hiyooooo Jul 14 20:24:02 oil: hahaha Jul 14 20:24:07 NAh it's cause in my main scene's activate function I run a check on whether a cookie is there and I never actually create one if it isnt. :P Jul 14 20:24:20 oic Jul 14 20:24:23 zsoc: what did oil say that was funny? Jul 14 20:24:31 everything i say is funny Jul 14 20:24:33 look: Jul 14 20:24:40 and i hate hitting tab more than once Jul 14 20:24:41 porkchop Jul 14 20:24:43 LOLOL Jul 14 20:24:47 zsoc: Oh Jul 14 20:24:49 the seller of the house im getting (getting it inspected tomorrow), apparently put stickers on a things she's going to take, and wants me to put my own stickers on anything that i want that doesnt already have a sticker on it, anything without a sticker gets thrown out Jul 14 20:24:55 im hoping the 2 harleys in the garage dont have stickers :P Jul 14 20:25:08 dawm: She's insane Jul 14 20:25:38 i could literaly sell them and pay off the house ;P Jul 14 20:25:53 dawm: don't get your hopes up Jul 14 20:25:58 dawm: get a contract Jul 14 20:26:01 also, I forgot to do this: Jul 14 20:26:04 DAWM! Jul 14 20:26:07 dawm dawm dawm dawm dawm Jul 14 20:26:07 haha Jul 14 20:26:18 hey, i can hope all i want :P Jul 14 20:29:52 me Galileo Galileo Galileo Figaro Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o Jul 14 20:30:18 * oil needs to find a better place to setup steel battalion :) Jul 14 20:30:49 oh god lol Jul 14 20:30:53 apparently dekan has been listening to behemian rhapsody on repeat for the past 2 hours :P Jul 14 20:31:12 bohemian maybe? Jul 14 20:32:44 thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening Jul 14 20:32:44 me Galileo Galileo Galileo Figaro Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o Jul 14 20:33:06 apparently dekan has been listening to behemian rhapsody on repeat for the past 2 hours ........ Jul 14 20:33:47 it is a good song Jul 14 20:33:48 dekan sucks Jul 14 20:34:24 go north Jul 14 20:34:24 digitalpowers: you are in a room, there are statues pointing to the center of the area. There are exits to the east, west and south Jul 14 20:34:35 go west Jul 14 20:34:35 digitalpowers: you are on a hillside, there are statues pointing to the center of the area. There are exits to the north and east Jul 14 20:34:54 zsoc: crappy picture http://i31.tinypic.com/357ros8.jpg Jul 14 20:35:45 go north Jul 14 20:35:45 oil_: you are on a hillside, there is nothing to see. There are exits to the west and south Jul 14 20:35:51 go south Jul 14 20:35:51 oil_: you are in a courtyard, there are statues pointing to the center of the area. There are exits to the south and north Jul 14 20:35:58 go south Jul 14 20:35:58 oil_: you are on a hillside, there is nothing to see. There are exits to the west and north Jul 14 20:36:04 go west Jul 14 20:36:04 oil_: you are in a room, there are statues pointing to the center of the area. There are exits to the west, south and east Jul 14 20:36:08 oil: i have that keyboard! :) but i don't use it anymore... sits next to my cluttered desk Jul 14 20:36:10 go south Jul 14 20:36:10 oil_: you are in a courtyard, there is nothing to see. There are exits to the east and north Jul 14 20:36:16 go east Jul 14 20:36:16 oil_: you are on a hillside, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the east and west Jul 14 20:36:18 <3 keyboard Jul 14 20:36:25 go east Jul 14 20:36:25 oil_: you are in a room, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the south and west Jul 14 20:36:32 go south Jul 14 20:36:32 oil_: you are on a hillside, there is nothing to see. There are exits to the south and north Jul 14 20:36:37 i used it all through college Jul 14 20:36:39 go south Jul 14 20:36:39 oil_: you are on a road, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the west, south and north Jul 14 20:36:47 go south Jul 14 20:36:47 oil_: you are in a courtyard, it is dark. There are exits to the west and north Jul 14 20:36:50 * oil takes good care of it Jul 14 20:36:52 go west Jul 14 20:36:52 oil_: you are in a room, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the west and east Jul 14 20:36:58 go west Jul 14 20:36:58 oil_: you are on a road, there is nothing to see. There are exits to the north and east Jul 14 20:36:59 ive had it for Jul 14 20:37:01 a very long time Jul 14 20:37:02 lol Jul 14 20:37:03 go east Jul 14 20:37:03 oil_: you are in a courtyard, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the east and west Jul 14 20:37:08 go east Jul 14 20:37:08 oil_: you are in a courtyard, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the east and west Jul 14 20:37:10 then traded it up for a gaming keyboard that rarely gets used for it's purpose (and hasn't been used for gaming in over a year) :( Jul 14 20:37:14 go east Jul 14 20:37:14 oil_: you are on a road, there are statues pointing to the center of the area. There are exits to the south and west Jul 14 20:37:15 wtf is dekan a bot? ... Jul 14 20:37:21 go south Jul 14 20:37:21 oil_: you are on a road, it is dark. There are exits to the west and north Jul 14 20:37:30 kesne, please stop Jul 14 20:37:31 go west Jul 14 20:37:31 oil_: you are in a courtyard, it is dark. There are exits to the south and east Jul 14 20:37:32 yeah Jul 14 20:37:33 Oh fine Jul 14 20:37:36 dekan: exit Jul 14 20:37:36 Can't talk, zombies! Jul 14 20:37:36 I'll stop Jul 14 20:37:46 i like it because its not trying to be wavy Jul 14 20:37:50 It was so much fun though! Jul 14 20:37:52 and it has the normal insert/home block Jul 14 20:38:03 so many new keyboards screw the pooch on that Jul 14 20:38:09 i agree Jul 14 20:38:21 it's hard to find a good one now :/ Jul 14 20:38:22 and play/pause buttons get used a lot Jul 14 20:38:27 HattCzech_work: is a party pooper Jul 14 20:38:28 with 3 monitors, i dont always know where my cursor is Jul 14 20:38:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-Ruwv6rrM Jul 14 20:38:52 the bluetooth mouse that came with it died long ago though Jul 14 20:38:55 the kb is goin strong Jul 14 20:38:59 3 monitors.. I'm jealous Jul 14 20:39:04 lol Jul 14 20:39:06 i only have 2, but i might get a 3rd Jul 14 20:39:16 hey, what is with this nick changing business? Jul 14 20:39:19 but where would i put the 3rd arm? :/ Jul 14 20:39:19 the bump from 1 monitor to 2 is HUGE Jul 14 20:39:20 I use my pre as my monitor Jul 14 20:39:26 yeah Jul 14 20:39:27 but 2 to 3 is not as much Jul 14 20:39:30 yeah Jul 14 20:39:40 just get a 3d lcd and call it a day Jul 14 20:39:41 i highly reccomend 2 monitors to everyone Jul 14 20:39:42 (ergotron arms attached to jerker desk = nice!) Jul 14 20:39:42 two 19s around a 27inch Jul 14 20:39:45 sheesh Jul 14 20:39:46 who wants to be productive Jul 14 20:40:09 i use a wacom Cintiq + 20in widescreen Jul 14 20:40:15 * oil looks for pic of desktop Jul 14 20:40:18 codeslaw: buy me another and I'll use 2 Jul 14 20:40:21 if my desk weren't cluttered with crap, i could use the whole surface area Jul 14 20:40:26 BigBiff_pre: it's in the mail Jul 14 20:40:28 3 monitors? Really? http://galerie.georgo.org/z-mobilu/2777/moje-pracovni-misto/ Jul 14 20:40:33 4 are better :D Jul 14 20:40:35 AWESOME Jul 14 20:40:35 no, BigBiff_pre, YOU'RE AWESOME! Jul 14 20:40:45 booting up my old winmo phone.. Jul 14 20:40:51 O god Jul 14 20:41:00 wait.. Jul 14 20:41:15 watcha talking about willis Jul 14 20:41:30 1.4.5.1 now? Jul 14 20:41:30 watchoo* Jul 14 20:41:33 no? :( Jul 14 20:41:34 * BigBiff_pre has a suspicion codeslaw may not be telling the truth about 'in the mail' Jul 14 20:41:37 Georgo: you're czech? Jul 14 20:41:41 =D Jul 14 20:41:47 HattCzech_work>> correct Jul 14 20:42:00 aww racial reunion. so precious Jul 14 20:42:11 another photo op Jul 14 20:42:15 lol, i'm only 1/4, so it doesn't really count Jul 14 20:42:17 http://i31.tinypic.com/anyn9x.jpg Jul 14 20:42:26 pandora--: Have patience Jul 14 20:42:39 "just 2 wild and caraazy guyzz" Jul 14 20:43:03 oil: Are three webcams needed? Jul 14 20:43:11 wow 2 snl references in one day Jul 14 20:43:13 one to pc, one to 360 Jul 14 20:43:15 I win Jul 14 20:43:17 live in prague or work in prague? or both? Jul 14 20:43:17 the other is for a remote Jul 14 20:43:22 big halo fan? Jul 14 20:43:29 ive got a halo bobble head Jul 14 20:43:32 ive played more then my share of halo Jul 14 20:43:40 i loved halo 1 Jul 14 20:43:42 never played much after that Jul 14 20:43:50 oil: You should stop smoking Jul 14 20:43:53 bad habit Jul 14 20:43:54 I've been playing halo pc for over 6 years. Jul 14 20:43:59 HattCzech_work>> working in Prague, actually living there too ... But my origin is Olomouc :) Jul 14 20:44:03 <--- leet halo pc player Jul 14 20:44:06 i ran a halo2/3 website for a long time Jul 14 20:44:07 interesting Jul 14 20:44:13 cmon people, steve martin? dan akroyd? Jul 14 20:44:24 prague always looks good in movies. I cant wait to visit Jul 14 20:44:28 my old winmo phone lost all its data from sitting in a drawer for over a year.. Jul 14 20:44:35 cool Jul 14 20:44:40 Everyone else plays games... I make stuff using javascript Jul 14 20:44:40 i have a friend from zlin Jul 14 20:44:56 i play teamfortress2 Jul 14 20:44:58 * oil plays games while making stuff using javascript :) Jul 14 20:44:58 all the time Jul 14 20:44:58 my comedic referencing is lost here... Jul 14 20:44:59 HattCzech_work>> Zlin is far away :) Jul 14 20:45:10 codeslaw: Great game Jul 14 20:45:16 yes Jul 14 20:45:20 hell, i coded the updates to preware last night mostly during steel battalion cutscenes Jul 14 20:45:26 oil is gross Jul 14 20:45:28 find me on steam if you ever want to play: TheProfessor Jul 14 20:45:31 Like.... using node.js to automagically make a feed for preware Jul 14 20:45:41 I play tf2 occasionally Jul 14 20:45:47 * oil is no tf2 fan Jul 14 20:45:50 tf2 is fun Jul 14 20:45:50 Pity, Steam is not for Linux yet. Jul 14 20:45:54 really though Jul 14 20:45:55 well, closer than prague :) Jul 14 20:45:57 The engie update was nice Jul 14 20:45:59 shadowrun is probably the best fps ever Jul 14 20:46:00 hands down Jul 14 20:46:03 only game I got into was counterstrike Jul 14 20:46:10 I don't play games :O Jul 14 20:46:11 damn oil do you have enough web cams? Jul 14 20:46:16 engie update has created a terrible case of global turtling Jul 14 20:46:16 i already explained Jul 14 20:46:21 HattCzech_work>> from Olomouc? Yes. Jul 14 20:46:22 one to pc, one to 360, one isn't a camera Jul 14 20:46:24 digitalpowers: I already made fun of him Jul 14 20:46:30 its a remote control reciever Jul 14 20:46:32 fair enough Jul 14 20:46:53 and my awesome suspended speakers Jul 14 20:47:00 connected to the vesa mounts of the 19s Jul 14 20:47:03 we have really bad interwebz at work so it took the pic a long time to load :D Jul 14 20:47:04 floating them to the side :) Jul 14 20:47:24 digitalpowers: Uh ohz Jul 14 20:47:24 man, i want to go back to CZ Jul 14 20:47:26 made em with a sheet of alum and a dremmel Jul 14 20:47:38 hopefully this year, but probably next Jul 14 20:47:46 I hate games Jul 14 20:47:47 bleh Jul 14 20:47:48 HattCzech_work>> where's the problem ? Jul 14 20:47:55 oil, are you mcguyver, or a supernerd? Jul 14 20:48:06 the two are not mutually exclusive Jul 14 20:48:12 heh Jul 14 20:48:19 so, both :) Jul 14 20:48:41 though, a contributing factor is that none of my friends are into computers Jul 14 20:48:48 hell, only a couple of htem even have computers Jul 14 20:49:18 so i never get to nerd out much Jul 14 20:49:39 my mom wants to go as a family trip, and my brother is in school until next year Jul 14 20:49:54 he's getting his masters Jul 14 20:50:12 Oh Jul 14 20:50:15 and if he weren't broke, we would have gone this year or last Jul 14 20:50:39 heheh, but i'll make it back there evntually Jul 14 20:51:55 been there twice, and it was a lot of fun Jul 14 20:52:12 only prague, though... need to travel around a bit more the next time around Jul 14 20:52:22 wild and crazy guys still making me giggle Jul 14 20:52:50 AH Jul 14 20:52:57 mmm fios Jul 14 20:53:02 I haz fios Jul 14 20:53:02 me want Jul 14 20:53:06 i noticed Jul 14 20:53:06 "we goin to get us some foxxes" Jul 14 20:53:41 digitalpowers: You want fios? Jul 14 20:53:43 Why? Jul 14 20:53:44 Anyone know why my html elements disappear when I push the scene or orientation changes? I can still click where they should be and I get tap events. Jul 14 20:53:55 Anivrom: No idea Jul 14 20:54:02 I'm really digging this song Jul 14 20:54:05 "Fuck Up" Jul 14 20:54:09 kesne: because where i live the best we have is 3meg dsl Jul 14 20:54:16 digitalpowers: Oh noes Jul 14 20:54:50 HattCzech_work>> sounds complicated Jul 14 20:54:52 I get 15 mega per sec Jul 14 20:55:02 s/mega/megabits Jul 14 20:55:05 which i why i want fios, i want fios for work too Jul 14 20:55:29 I was going to upgrade to 25Mb/s Jul 14 20:55:35 But my parents suck Jul 14 20:55:56 I get ~15 from cable Jul 14 20:56:04 which is all I can get at my house Jul 14 20:56:12 but I get 100MB/s at work Jul 14 20:56:21 100Mb/s* Jul 14 20:56:35 yeah i would do it myself if this area didnt suck, but while verizon is our co here they dont offer fios yet and they are selling their copper off Jul 14 20:56:40 i have a 56k dialup.. netzero.. Jul 14 20:56:42 to another company and leaving the area Jul 14 20:57:04 digitalpowers: Verizon sold operations to Frontier over here Jul 14 20:57:15 Georgo: more complicated than it should be, yes Jul 14 20:58:22 torchie! Jul 14 20:58:30 totally not planning a node.js package maker+feed maker for webos Jul 14 20:58:33 :p Jul 14 20:58:49 mostly because I want to play with filewatchers Jul 14 20:59:22 eyote Jul 14 20:59:22 so apparently hot apps is tomorrow? Jul 14 21:00:08 workin on my PDK app right now!! Im not worried at all about being crushed and pillaged by hordes of established iPhone ports! Jul 14 21:00:21 that's the spirit Jul 14 21:00:23 Yay! Jul 14 21:00:24 http://www.pingtest.net/result/20388104.png Jul 14 21:00:44 hah Jul 14 21:00:48 codeslaw: Oh you'll get more than crushed Jul 14 21:01:08 codeslaw: Maybe destroyed Jul 14 21:01:11 i'm gonna release in a week or so, try and avoid the initial onslaught Jul 14 21:01:15 codeslaw: Dominated Jul 14 21:01:20 codeslaw: Murdered Jul 14 21:01:25 that is a good idea codeslaw Jul 14 21:01:25 all distinct possibilites! Jul 14 21:01:30 codeslaw: annihilated Jul 14 21:01:39 ELLO Jul 14 21:01:41 yes, thank you Jul 14 21:01:44 laddies and gantlemons Jul 14 21:01:55 * kesne listens intently to torchie Jul 14 21:01:58 so maybe the 1.4.5.1 update's tomorrow Jul 14 21:02:01 * kesne is already bored Jul 14 21:02:14 torchie: I've already told all Jul 14 21:02:17 It's coming today Jul 14 21:02:17 "It's Coming Today" would be a good name for a band. Jul 14 21:02:22 * sugardave laughs at torchie. Jul 14 21:02:26 it's coming today Jul 14 21:02:28 codeslaw: Are you still working on your painting app, or are you doing a different app for the PDK contest? Jul 14 21:02:29 Your mom is coming today Jul 14 21:02:32 huh Jul 14 21:02:36 is it really though Jul 14 21:02:51 Robdor: different for the contest. the FBO problem has roadblocked my entire plan for paintr Jul 14 21:02:53 Finer than gold, whiter than the snow Jul 14 21:03:11 codeslaw: What's the app!? :D Jul 14 21:03:14 plus, i'll wait till hybrid apps come out for paintr, i dont want to try and build that interface Jul 14 21:03:24 I'm looking forward to stealing your app! Jul 14 21:03:31 please do! Jul 14 21:03:41 I'm guessing you can't use immediate mode opengl functions on webos Jul 14 21:03:44 Nothing like a good warez site! Jul 14 21:03:57 especially for free apps! Jul 14 21:03:58 Yeah, I'm hacking together an interface for my PDK game and it sucks to not have any libraries to rely on. Jul 14 21:04:02 codeslaw: Free!? Jul 14 21:04:08 yeeeeeesir Jul 14 21:04:17 i'll make a paid version too Jul 14 21:04:27 Well then, I'll deff. warez the free one! Jul 14 21:04:49 sweet, thanks, i really don't want the download counts! Jul 14 21:04:51 torchie: Nope, no immediate mode. Jul 14 21:04:52 I pirated openoffice the other day Jul 14 21:05:05 Robdor: weeeeeeeak :( Jul 14 21:05:07 heh Jul 14 21:05:18 it's all I can barely almost manage Jul 14 21:05:32 codeslaw: Anything for you ;) Jul 14 21:05:39 well I still do a lot of cargo cultish things even in immediate mode so I dunno Jul 14 21:06:47 but anyways, we need to find a way to not get our asses owned by iphone ports Jul 14 21:07:31 Has Palm said how many iPhone ports people have submitted already? Jul 14 21:07:32 back to my original plan... Jul 14 21:07:47 step 1) join forces... step 2) ???... step 3) profit! Jul 14 21:07:49 no, but the contest is defintely geared towards them Jul 14 21:08:05 so PDK apps aren't showing up in the catalog until the update? Jul 14 21:08:11 or until the compo? Jul 14 21:08:24 those 4 50k prizes are specifically so high-grossing iphone apps have a REASON to bring it, even if they think other iphone apps will beat them Jul 14 21:09:04 we should band forces and make the top 4 apps webOS originals Jul 14 21:09:36 "that's what i'm saying to you" Jul 14 21:09:59 "it's coming today" Jul 14 21:10:04 i have ~8k email addresses from paintr lite regs Jul 14 21:10:27 but that probably includes duplicates, i havent run any cleansing scripts on them yet, or even used them Jul 14 21:10:38 codeslaw: I have about 6.5k from Checkers Jul 14 21:10:46 No duplicates Jul 14 21:10:49 nice Jul 14 21:11:01 AND I have a script to send to all of them Jul 14 21:11:05 i got ~ 2k from territory but it never left beta Jul 14 21:11:25 codeslaw: select distinct? Jul 14 21:11:25 Checkers also has been downloaded 300,000 times Jul 14 21:11:35 HattCzech_work: mmmmyezzz Jul 14 21:11:40 299.99 of them by kesne Jul 14 21:11:48 lawl Jul 14 21:11:50 And I have the ability to push any content out to the app Jul 14 21:11:54 299,999* xD Jul 14 21:11:55 oil: Not quite :P Jul 14 21:11:58 Let's see Jul 14 21:12:02 7 by me Jul 14 21:12:10 hey, at least all my doppelgangers are gone Jul 14 21:12:23 * kesne takes that as an invitation Jul 14 21:12:25 468 people have downloaded Emergency Lights :) Jul 14 21:12:48 wow isnt that app a dollar? Jul 14 21:13:02 whats it do? Jul 14 21:13:23 Perfect Bounce has about 2-3k Jul 14 21:13:59 Anivrom: yep Jul 14 21:14:15 oil: it splits the screen in half and flashes red/blue and plays a siren osund Jul 14 21:14:16 sound Jul 14 21:14:29 it has controls for the speed of flashing and a toggle to mute the siren Jul 14 21:14:37 ah Jul 14 21:14:40 grumble Jul 14 21:14:52 dp's only mildly jealous of the stupidity of it all Jul 14 21:15:05 midly Jul 14 21:15:10 i think i have ~35k Jul 14 21:15:14 but haven't checked lately Jul 14 21:15:22 i released it pretty soon after the 1/2 off promotion started, so that's probably good reason why it has so many downloads Jul 14 21:16:16 If anyone wants to run ads in Checkers, let me know ;) Jul 14 21:16:29 admob wants to Jul 14 21:16:39 I don't want admob to Jul 14 21:16:41 google Jul 14 21:16:51 I mean like individual developers Jul 14 21:17:27 I can push out any custom content to Checkers Jul 14 21:17:37 Custom themes, popups, ads, etc Jul 14 21:17:40 You name it! Jul 14 21:17:42 * sugardave yawns. Jul 14 21:17:46 very handy i am sure Jul 14 21:17:51 * kesne punches sugardave Jul 14 21:17:55 YAWN AT THAT BITCH Jul 14 21:17:57 we should make our own badass advertisement framework Jul 14 21:17:59 popups? you're a sinner Jul 14 21:18:21 * sugardave doesn't know anything about creating frameworks. Jul 14 21:18:24 WebAD Jul 14 21:18:44 * CTLAdvance tries to trademark webAD Jul 14 21:18:45 sugardave: of course you don't, we haven't made one yet! Jul 14 21:18:52 maik: mojo popups Jul 14 21:18:53 heh Jul 14 21:19:01 yes, but as advertisements? Jul 14 21:19:07 advertisement that takes up half the scene Jul 14 21:19:09 maik: If I want to Jul 14 21:19:12 if you tap it it opens three popups in Web Jul 14 21:19:16 right, sinner. Jul 14 21:19:16 I actually have an alpha ad management system that is a Drupal module...but I haven't had time to mess with it in a bit Jul 14 21:19:19 hahaha Jul 14 21:19:21 maik: the framework is there, I just haven't pushed go :P Jul 14 21:19:26 I probably won't either Jul 14 21:19:39 But If anybody's app needs a few more DL's, I can spam users Jul 14 21:19:51 I can send emails to all my registered users Jul 14 21:20:09 kesne: link to emergency lights, that would be fun Jul 14 21:20:26 maik: Okay, that'll be $1599.99 Jul 14 21:20:28 haha Jul 14 21:20:32 Plus tax Jul 14 21:20:52 i'm going to support your iphone habit Jul 14 21:21:07 Hey, that reminds me Jul 14 21:21:10 I hate sales tax Jul 14 21:21:12 er, not Jul 14 21:21:28 Whenever I go somewhere with sales tax, I get mad Jul 14 21:22:01 do you live in OR? Jul 14 21:22:05 Yessir Jul 14 21:22:08 In tigard Jul 14 21:22:13 A suburb of Portland Jul 14 21:22:24 whenever i can't pump my own freaking gas, i get mad Jul 14 21:22:32 Hah Jul 14 21:22:33 i have family that lives in tualatin Jul 14 21:22:38 State income taxes piss me off Jul 14 21:22:38 I hate pumping my own gas Jul 14 21:22:42 digitalpowers: Oh cool Jul 14 21:22:46 That's right next door! Jul 14 21:22:50 yarp Jul 14 21:22:53 kesne: of course you do, that's because you're from oregon Jul 14 21:22:55 I'm ready for a new tax code Jul 14 21:22:59 sugardave: Good thing I don't pay taxes Jul 14 21:23:09 maik: It's gross Jul 14 21:23:13 Like your face Jul 14 21:23:13 That would be a good name for a band. Jul 14 21:23:18 hahaha Jul 14 21:23:22 SHUT UP DEKAN Jul 14 21:23:22 * maik hugs dekan Jul 14 21:23:36 dekan: shut up for a bit Jul 14 21:23:36 Okay maik. I'll be back later Jul 14 21:24:36 dekan: hi Jul 14 21:24:36 Hello, maik! Jul 14 21:24:37 I swear dekan is a bot Jul 14 21:24:41 Anivrom: nope Jul 14 21:24:41 bah he is Jul 14 21:24:47 yea he is Jul 14 21:24:52 i don't think so Jul 14 21:24:55 He is.. Jul 14 21:24:59 Trust me Jul 14 21:24:59 He's nawt a bawt Jul 14 21:25:06 kesne is the bot Jul 14 21:25:10 dekan: are you a bot? Jul 14 21:25:10 NO! Jul 14 21:25:11 I am a bot Jul 14 21:25:19 hey dekan Jul 14 21:25:24 Written by the almighty god Jordan Gensler Jul 14 21:25:30 dekan: hey dekan Jul 14 21:25:40 dekan: you suck Jul 14 21:25:49 meh he's still a bot. Jul 14 21:25:55 Just not a sophisticated one Jul 14 21:26:00 so is it really coming today Jul 14 21:26:05 YES Jul 14 21:26:10 NOW SHUT UP Jul 14 21:26:26 torchie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-Ruwv6rrM Jul 14 21:26:39 I dunno man Jul 14 21:26:42 I dunnoooo Jul 14 21:26:43 dekan: unshut up Jul 14 21:26:43 \o/ Jul 14 21:26:55 dekan: shut up Jul 14 21:26:55 Okay, kesne - be back in a bit! Jul 14 21:27:00 lulz Jul 14 21:27:02 dekan: unshut up Jul 14 21:27:03 totally not a bot Jul 14 21:27:08 dekan: you suck Jul 14 21:27:13 ARG Jul 14 21:27:21 you are going to make dekan sad Jul 14 21:27:30 dekan: west Jul 14 21:27:35 dekan: exit Jul 14 21:27:37 gah Jul 14 21:27:38 go west Jul 14 21:27:41 this bot is weird Jul 14 21:27:45 YOU BROKE HIM! Jul 14 21:27:52 dekan: come back!!!!!! Jul 14 21:27:52 \o/ Jul 14 21:27:57 dekan: west Jul 14 21:27:57 I don't know Jul 14 21:27:57 go west Jul 14 21:27:57 kesne: you are on a hillside, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the north and east Jul 14 21:28:00 There we go Jul 14 21:28:02 lool Jul 14 21:28:16 kesne: just curious, tell him to shut up again Jul 14 21:28:24 dekan: SHUT THE FUCK UP Jul 14 21:28:24 Not a bloody clue, sir. Jul 14 21:28:27 ah dekan is maik's bot. Jul 14 21:28:30 only listens to him Jul 14 21:28:34 dekan: shut up Jul 14 21:28:34 Okay, kesne - be back in a bit! Jul 14 21:28:35 Anivrom: sort of Jul 14 21:28:40 only some commands Jul 14 21:28:41 dekan: LOLOL Jul 14 21:28:43 go west Jul 14 21:29:22 URRRRGH WOW. I can't figure this out for the life of me. My HTML elements just DISAPPEAR when I push to the main scene or when the orientation changes. Jul 14 21:29:53 :D Jul 14 21:30:10 holy crap, this works Jul 14 21:33:52 kesne is bot Jul 14 21:34:04 hahaha Jul 14 21:36:05 sugardave: ping Jul 14 21:36:08 I am Jul 14 21:36:27 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=311c9899cca83dcc4403bec2eb89fbe3&lastaction=login&f=55&t=8099 Jul 14 21:36:32 Anyone wanna answer that question? Jul 14 21:36:54 so... audio latency in SDL -- any pro tips? I am using 8k bitrate with a tiny buffer, but still hitting some latency issues Jul 14 21:37:19 codeslaw: need moar hardware acceleration Jul 14 21:37:27 Anivrom: clicking that link gave me this "Error: Infinite login loop intercepted. Jul 14 21:37:27 Try to click here, do not refresh." Jul 14 21:37:50 well then something is wrong with your browser lol. Jul 14 21:37:56 It's just a forum link Jul 14 21:38:30 http://pastebin.com/8SVbDtnF Jul 14 21:38:35 essentially the post Jul 14 21:39:20 no, your link has the &lastaction=login in there Jul 14 21:39:26 owe. Jul 14 21:40:25 codeslaw: Dealing with sound in SDL is an obnoxious balancing act. I added sound to my game last week, and I just had to play with the buffer size until I found a sweet spot. Jul 14 21:40:45 Robdor: did you achieve close to 0 latency in the end? Jul 14 21:40:55 Pretty close. Jul 14 21:41:11 what i have here is an 8 audio step sequencer Jul 14 21:41:16 8 channel* Jul 14 21:41:29 latency is critical Jul 14 21:41:42 What is your buffer size? Jul 14 21:41:54 256 Jul 14 21:42:09 Oh, wow. That is small. Jul 14 21:42:14 yes Jul 14 21:42:23 but, i'm not hitting buffer issues Jul 14 21:42:30 No stuttering? Jul 14 21:42:33 nope Jul 14 21:42:48 Are you using a wav? Jul 14 21:42:50 i just have a ~2 millisecond delay Jul 14 21:42:52 yes wav Jul 14 21:43:32 What audio rate are you using? 44.1hz? Jul 14 21:43:37 8k Jul 14 21:44:54 and mono! Jul 14 21:44:59 its bare bones Jul 14 21:45:01 big time Jul 14 21:45:05 actually Jul 14 21:45:14 i just realized, this latency might be my actual samples Jul 14 21:45:29 what you need to do is predict the user's input Jul 14 21:45:32 these samples are crap, i gotta fire up logic pro when i get home Jul 14 21:45:34 read their minds Jul 14 21:46:02 indeed Jul 14 21:46:14 I need to record a new video! Jul 14 21:47:12 Crap Jul 14 21:48:01 kesne: so far you're all wrong man. no update Jul 14 21:48:05 kesne: i blame you Jul 14 21:48:12 pandora--: Day's not over ;) Jul 14 21:48:39 i am most sad that i just read that SDL graphics based apps won't be available on pixi Jul 14 21:48:51 that also kills contest crowd for me! Jul 14 21:48:53 i thought they would after the 1.4.5 update? Jul 14 21:49:01 i saw that too, now that i am done with my first sdl graphics based gane Jul 14 21:49:02 maybe i was mistaken? Jul 14 21:49:06 s/gane/game Jul 14 21:49:07 pandora--: PDK apps yes, but only ones that use openGL Jul 14 21:49:12 oooooh Jul 14 21:49:23 codeslaw: Sorry, I think it was my bug report that caused that. :( Jul 14 21:49:24 ya i had no idea Jul 14 21:49:39 that sucks. Jul 14 21:49:49 well, i mean if it doesn't work it doesn't work Jul 14 21:52:44 Do most you submit apps using a business name instead of your actual name? Jul 14 21:52:53 business name Jul 14 21:53:12 Did you have to register a new business or did you just get a DBA? Jul 14 21:53:12 dekan: awesome is also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc Jul 14 21:53:13 Okay, maik. Jul 14 21:53:40 Robdor: I already had a company with a tax id, etc. so it was easy :) Jul 14 21:53:46 dekan: kesne is awesome Jul 14 21:53:46 Please don't edit your own factoids, kesne. Jul 14 21:53:54 hi Tibfib Jul 14 21:54:02 0.o Jul 14 21:54:07 kesne: hahaha Jul 14 21:54:14 who's bot is that? Jul 14 21:54:15 hi dkirker Jul 14 21:54:19 Robdor: but, i'm getting a new company setup right now, doing it all over. LLCs are much easier than s-corps... Jul 14 21:54:21 dkirker: mine Jul 14 21:54:26 is he ok? Jul 14 21:54:32 banbanban Jul 14 21:54:37 as long as he doesn't flood the channel Jul 14 21:54:39 dkirker: he listens to ops Jul 14 21:54:43 you can tell him to shutup Jul 14 21:54:44 Hehe Jul 14 21:54:44 see, my bots are classy. Jul 14 21:54:50 lol Jul 14 21:54:54 dekan: kesne Jul 14 21:54:54 kesne is bot Jul 14 21:54:59 :D Jul 14 21:55:00 lol Jul 14 21:55:36 Did my indernet just die Jul 14 21:55:36 Anivrom: Jul 14 21:55:36 ? Jul 14 21:55:41 there we go Jul 14 21:55:48 dekan: tibfib? Jul 14 21:55:48 Can't talk, zombies! Jul 14 21:55:52 I have little problem with bots, as long as they are useful to the channel. And don't get abused. Jul 14 21:56:07 your a bot Jul 14 21:56:11 dekan: webos Jul 14 21:56:11 I do not know. Jul 14 21:56:19 dekan: webos is amazing! Jul 14 21:56:20 Okay, dkirker. Jul 14 21:56:27 halfhalo_class: probably :D Jul 14 21:58:07 this Jabra Stone is pretty sexy, and looks good with the stone like features of my Pre, but it kinda hurts my ear... Jul 14 21:59:19 sesame street scares me Jul 14 21:59:27 he is a good bot dkirker see watch Jul 14 21:59:28 canvas Jul 14 21:59:28 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1792 Jul 14 21:59:33 botsnack Jul 14 21:59:33 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 14 21:59:44 lol Jul 14 21:59:49 botsnack? that is cute Jul 14 21:59:57 webos Jul 14 22:00:39 dekan: webos Jul 14 22:00:39 amaizing Jul 14 22:01:38 dekan: remember halfhalo_class sesame Jul 14 22:01:39 Okay, maik, remembering "sesame street scares me". Jul 14 22:01:43 botsmack? Jul 14 22:01:51 dekan: webos =~ s/amaizing/amazing/ Jul 14 22:01:51 Okay, maik, factoid updated. Jul 14 22:02:16 maik: is the bot going to be here all the time or just when you are here? Jul 14 22:02:34 all the time unless someone that matters says otherwise :) Jul 14 22:02:42 hah, cool Jul 14 22:03:09 maik: I matter Jul 14 22:03:17 kesne: not to me, you don't Jul 14 22:03:25 whatever kesne your a bot yourself Jul 14 22:03:31 *you're Jul 14 22:03:31 troof Jul 14 22:03:48 damn, i rarely mess that one up Jul 14 22:05:13 seen maik Jul 14 22:05:19 I'm black Jul 14 22:05:26 ...aww, to you have to address him for that? Jul 14 22:05:37 dekan, seen maik Jul 14 22:05:37 Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! Jul 14 22:05:51 dekan, botsmack Jul 14 22:05:51 I do not know. Jul 14 22:05:51 dekan sucks Jul 14 22:05:53 I want infobot Jul 14 22:06:00 teach him Jul 14 22:06:05 dekan: botsmack is OUCH Jul 14 22:06:05 Okay, Tibfib. Jul 14 22:06:10 dekan, botsmack Jul 14 22:06:10 botsmack is OUCH Jul 14 22:06:16 ....eh, whatever Jul 14 22:06:21 dekan: botsmack is OUCH Jul 14 22:06:21 maik: I already had it that way Jul 14 22:06:25 no, you didn't Jul 14 22:06:28 dekan: forget that Jul 14 22:06:28 Okay, maik, forgot that botsmack is OUCH Jul 14 22:06:29 hahahahah Jul 14 22:06:31 dekan: botsmack is OUCH Jul 14 22:06:31 Okay, maik. Jul 14 22:06:35 botsmack Jul 14 22:06:35 OUCH Jul 14 22:06:51 dekan: botsmack is also cowers Jul 14 22:06:51 Okay, maik. Jul 14 22:06:55 botsmack Jul 14 22:06:56 * dekan cowers Jul 14 22:07:04 dekan: dawm is a sexy man Jul 14 22:07:04 Okay, kesne. Jul 14 22:07:08 dekan: dawm Jul 14 22:07:08 dawm is a sexy man Jul 14 22:07:17 Robdor: i just got a DBA and tax id Jul 14 22:07:35 HattCzech_work: what'd you do to get the DBA? Jul 14 22:07:40 HattCzech_work: I'm thinking about going down that route. Jul 14 22:08:25 Tibfib: heard anything like this before? http://pastebin.com/8SVbDtnF Jul 14 22:08:45 i had to google dba related to bussiness because all i could think of was database administrator Jul 14 22:08:58 codeslaw: went to the tax office and filled out a form and paid $14 or something Jul 14 22:09:05 where's the tax office Jul 14 22:09:08 down town? Jul 14 22:09:21 lamar near 2222 Jul 14 22:10:09 Anivrom, hmmm did you start a topic on the dev forums? Jul 14 22:10:39 oh, my bad, airport at 2222 Jul 14 22:10:44 word, Jul 14 22:10:50 might need to do that Jul 14 22:11:18 HattCzech_work: I have a DBA and tax ID, but still am really only using my regular person info Jul 14 22:11:18 if they ask if you want a copy, say no Jul 14 22:11:38 cuz they charge you $2 or some bs Jul 14 22:11:55 Tibfib: yea Jul 14 22:12:16 sugardave: i didn't want to put my personal info out there and make it THAT easy to find me Jul 14 22:12:40 it's still easy, but now slightly more complicated Jul 14 22:13:40 I just meant the tax stuff for palm and freelancing, etc. Jul 14 22:13:54 I need to take a "Small Business for Dummies" course or something Jul 14 22:14:09 yeah, i figured if i was going to continue in this, i needed some "company" info Jul 14 22:14:25 headed home, bbl Jul 14 22:14:31 adios codeslaw Jul 14 22:14:37 c ya Jul 14 22:14:37 codeslaw Jul 14 22:14:41 dkirker: codeslaw Jul 14 22:14:51 bah stupid bot Jul 14 22:14:51 hahaha Jul 14 22:14:51 bye codeslaw Jul 14 22:14:55 :( Jul 14 22:14:59 awesome Jul 14 22:15:00 awesome is http://digitalpowers.com Jul 14 22:15:01 i type poorly Jul 14 22:15:09 i will drink less starting now Jul 14 22:15:17 aweome ~= /codeslaw/ Jul 14 22:15:22 dekan: aweome ~= /codeslaw/ Jul 14 22:15:22 I don't know anything about that. Jul 14 22:15:26 liar! Jul 14 22:15:31 dekan: awesome ~= /codeslaw/ Jul 14 22:15:31 awesome is codeslaw Jul 14 22:15:50 that was about as graceful as a herd of cows in a teepee Jul 14 22:16:49 dekan: awesome Jul 14 22:16:50 no, kesne, YOU'RE AWESOME! Jul 14 22:16:56 dekan: awesome Jul 14 22:16:56 no, kesne, YOU'RE AWESOME! Jul 14 22:17:51 no dekan you're awsome Jul 14 22:18:06 awa Jul 14 22:18:06 no, dekan, you're awsome Jul 14 22:18:11 awaw Jul 14 22:18:12 no, I'M AWESOME! Jul 14 22:18:13 your bot is loose maik Jul 14 22:18:28 no, dekan, you're awesome Jul 14 22:18:28 i see what you did there... Jul 14 22:18:42 s/loose/lose/ Jul 14 22:18:57 dekan: describe your sexual prowess, if you would Jul 14 22:18:57 I do not know. Jul 14 22:19:02 fair enough Jul 14 22:19:30 dekan: what time is it? Jul 14 22:19:30 Okay, torchie. Jul 14 22:19:34 derp Jul 14 22:19:36 haha Jul 14 22:19:44 dekan: forget that Jul 14 22:19:44 Okay, maik, forgot that what time is it? Jul 14 22:19:44 I was expecting ADVENTURE TIME Jul 14 22:19:56 dekan: what time is it ADVENTURE TIME Jul 14 22:19:56 Okay, maik. Jul 14 22:20:59 SWEET Jul 14 22:21:05 Apparently my eyes are really good with colors Jul 14 22:21:07 EXCEPT in the grens Jul 14 22:21:14 *greens Jul 14 22:22:52 what time is it. Jul 14 22:22:53 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 14 22:22:58 what time is it! Jul 14 22:22:58 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 14 22:23:01 WHAT Jul 14 22:23:02 TIME Jul 14 22:23:04 what time is it Jul 14 22:23:04 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 14 22:23:14 oh dear Jul 14 22:23:29 ok i'm done Jul 14 22:23:34 * Anivrom prepares for the onslaught of text adventure spam Jul 14 22:23:36 I was just a bit confused Jul 14 22:23:49 about the output of my system clock so I wanted to ask someone in the channel Jul 14 22:23:49 heh Jul 14 22:23:50 what Jul 14 22:23:53 what time is it Jul 14 22:23:53 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 14 22:24:07 dekan: go north Jul 14 22:24:07 maik: you are in a courtyard, there are statues pointing to the center of the area. There are exits to the west and south Jul 14 22:26:29 lol Jul 14 22:27:29 digitalpowers added that, it's very dynamic Jul 14 22:27:35 dekan: what was that Jul 14 22:27:35 maik: That was 'go north' (#62): $who: $roomtype, $roomdesc. There are exits $exnorth; vars used: { 'exnorth' => [ 'to the west and south' ], 'roomdesc' => [ 'there are statues pointing to the center of the area' ], 'roomtype' => [ 'you are in a courtyard' ]};. Jul 14 22:27:40 although not a lot of options yet Jul 14 22:28:04 dekan: literal go north Jul 14 22:28:04 go north (#62) $who: $roomtype, $roomdesc. There are exits $exnorth Jul 14 22:28:14 lol oops? Jul 14 22:28:17 is really all it is, with each $var being a list it can choose from Jul 14 22:28:25 no he was intentially showing the variables Jul 14 22:28:29 ah Jul 14 22:28:33 Anivrom: there's no oops, anyone can do that Jul 14 22:28:38 dekan: literal awesome Jul 14 22:28:38 awesome (#38) no, $who, YOU'RE AWESOME!|(#47) is codeslaw|(#48) is http://digitalpowers.com|(#94) is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc Jul 14 22:28:45 see? Jul 14 22:28:58 dekan's a good bot! yes you are! Jul 14 22:30:36 botsnack Jul 14 22:30:36 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 14 22:31:00 NOM NOM NOM Jul 14 22:31:21 hahaha Jul 14 22:31:28 sry for calling you a bot earlier dkirker Jul 14 22:31:40 dkirker is a bot Jul 14 22:31:53 dkirker, double rainbow? Jul 14 22:31:56 dkirker you should makea bot and name him Dirka! Jul 14 22:32:07 Tibfib: Oooooo, pretty! Jul 14 22:32:19 heh Jul 14 22:32:32 so your an op right dkirker? do you work for palm or how did you get your op'ery Jul 14 22:33:03 ofcource i assume palm set the channel up Jul 14 22:33:28 digitalpowers: I interned at Palm. I created the channel to, separate from Palm. Jul 14 22:33:46 ahh makes sense Jul 14 22:36:02 dekan: literal what time is it Jul 14 22:36:02 Bananas! Jul 14 22:36:02 what time is it ADVENTURE TIME Jul 14 22:36:12 haha Jul 14 22:39:52 awesome is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc Jul 14 22:44:12 hmmm, I'm having trouble installing the sdk on 64 bit linux, any linux users here to help? Jul 14 22:44:49 running ubuntu Jul 14 22:46:26 not i Jul 14 22:46:35 * maik pokes dekan Jul 14 22:46:35 BUUUUURRRRRPPPP! Jul 14 22:46:39 dekan: not i Jul 14 22:46:40 said the fly Jul 14 22:48:02 I wonder if 10.4 isn't supported Jul 14 22:48:43 so, no sign of 1.4.5 yet I see Jul 14 22:48:58 wasn't it just released to carriers today? Jul 14 22:49:29 no its been out to carriers a while ago, infact one nation received it already Jul 14 22:49:34 noooo, carriers have had it a while ago Jul 14 22:49:44 There is speculation of a major bug with it effecting PDK apps Jul 14 22:50:25 CTLAdvance: :( Jul 14 22:50:33 If sprint hasnt launched it that means something on palms end is holding it Jul 14 22:50:49 mebbe Jul 14 22:50:49 sprint DOESNT delay usually Jul 14 22:50:53 verizon does Jul 14 22:52:09 looks like I won't be using ubuntu much until the sdk supports 10.4 Jul 14 22:52:33 http://maximumitblips.dailyradar.com/story/webos-1-4-5-mostly-on-track-but-at-t-users-face-delay/ Jul 14 22:53:49 here's another stupid mojo trick relating to formatters: http://bit.ly/civMfX Jul 14 22:54:03 what happened to the pdk hot apps Jul 14 22:54:11 delayed I think Jul 14 22:54:13 suppose to begin tomorrow Jul 14 22:54:32 did they announce the delay Jul 14 22:54:57 palm has been failing really bad lately. Jul 14 22:55:48 meh I'll give them some mercy considering webOS is truly the best OS. Jul 14 22:56:29 and considering the HP buyout would make things crazy Jul 14 22:56:56 that too Jul 14 22:57:35 it's like Men in Black: "Palm is always failing, there's always an Archellian death ray..." etc. Jul 14 23:00:52 Error at 0x08: Reference not found Jul 14 23:01:07 i love the mountains Jul 14 23:01:07 i love the clear blue sky Jul 14 23:01:12 i love big bridges Jul 14 23:01:12 i love when great whites fly Jul 14 23:01:22 i love the whole world, and all its sights and sounds Jul 14 23:01:22 boom di yada, boom di yada, boom di yada, boom di yada Jul 14 23:01:29 i love the ocean Jul 14 23:01:29 i love real dirty things Jul 14 23:01:33 i love to go fast Jul 14 23:01:33 i love egyptian kings Jul 14 23:01:41 i love the whole world, and all its craziness Jul 14 23:01:41 boom di yada, boom di yada, boom di yada, boom di yada Jul 14 23:01:49 i love tornados Jul 14 23:01:55 i love tornadoes Jul 14 23:01:55 i love arachnids Jul 14 23:02:01 i love hot magma Jul 14 23:02:01 i love the giant squids Jul 14 23:02:04 i love mastadons Jul 14 23:02:10 i love the whole world, it's such a brilliant place Jul 14 23:02:10 boom di yada, boom di yada, boom di yada, boom di yada Jul 14 23:02:18 i love megladons Jul 14 23:02:42 botsnack Jul 14 23:02:42 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 14 23:02:48 asl Jul 14 23:02:53 !asl Jul 14 23:02:55 ~asl Jul 14 23:03:00 what kinda bot ARE YOU! Jul 14 23:03:45 asl Jul 14 23:03:48 dekan: asl Jul 14 23:03:48 uh, s/he 23 minutes, engrish Jul 14 23:03:54 heh Jul 14 23:04:49 wait so there's another delay? Jul 14 23:04:59 o no Jul 14 23:05:32 i dont think they ever promised it today, a lot of people are just guessing it would have been today because the competition starts tomorrow Jul 14 23:07:03 I'll know it's released when my phone tells me Jul 14 23:07:51 i've probably started the updates app about 10 times today Jul 14 23:08:14 on the plus side, I got a Word Ace update Jul 14 23:08:26 saw that :) Jul 14 23:08:36 still waiting for my Yalm update to hit Jul 14 23:09:40 collapsible code would be Awesome in ares... Jul 14 23:10:27 I don't know man. I can't say webos is the best based and what it has produced in over a year Jul 14 23:10:47 yeah it'd be odd if the update didn't come until after the competition Jul 14 23:11:06 the main reason I still have it is because sprint has nothing worth upgrading to Jul 14 23:11:11 webos is the best based on it's initial concept and what it's built upon... not from the number of updates it has pumped out in a year.... Jul 14 23:11:25 now if only it was smoother Jul 14 23:11:33 if i had an evo with webos on it i would be in heaven Jul 14 23:11:33 seeing how precedent has already been established with regard to rules and duration of app dev contests, I'm sure there will be some sort of contingency should the update not be here tomorrow Jul 14 23:11:56 what if there's like Jul 14 23:12:01 some crazy rush going on at palm headquarter Jul 14 23:12:06 real thriller movie scene type stuff Jul 14 23:12:10 24 style clock ticking Jul 14 23:12:19 chuqui isn't around today, maybe it's because of that Jul 14 23:12:34 "we have FIVE HOURS to get this over the air before the hot apps competition!" Jul 14 23:12:38 he was here earlier but didnt talk much Jul 14 23:12:41 "TURN ON THE FLUX CAPACITOR" Jul 14 23:12:53 good luck getting anything HP owns up to 88 mph Jul 14 23:12:55 1.21 jiggawatts! Jul 14 23:13:15 too bad they don't have a hyperbolic time chamber Jul 14 23:13:16 jiggawut! Jul 14 23:13:27 hyperbole time chamber? Jul 14 23:13:28 if the update is released today or tomorrow not everyone will upgrade right away Jul 14 23:13:54 I think it takes a while before the update is forced Jul 14 23:14:04 2 weeks Jul 14 23:14:48 but, if there is an app someone wants and they can only get it with 1.4.5, then I guess they'd probably upgrade then Jul 14 23:15:44 I wonder what kind of apps will come with the pdk Jul 14 23:15:45 so this thing could come as late as august? Jul 14 23:15:45 maik: like in dragon ball z Jul 14 23:15:45 purgatory-like room where they throw dudes in to train and 5 years to them is 10 minutes in the real world Jul 14 23:15:58 I honestly can't get my hopes up Jul 14 23:16:01 I'm actually excited to see what iphone apps are ported. They have better higher end apps from what I have seen. Luckily im not developing for the hot apps competition so I don't have to worry about the 'competition' part Jul 14 23:16:04 exactly Jul 14 23:16:15 i mean, err... you watch dbz? luzer! Jul 14 23:16:48 I'm excited for a word processor Jul 14 23:17:20 iphone has better higher end hardware as well, i expect a lot of the ported apps to not handle that well Jul 14 23:17:28 EmmettLollis: welcome Jul 14 23:17:33 and the birthday rush Jul 14 23:17:36 Anivrom: thanks Jul 14 23:17:47 digital powers - the iphone 4 is only better 3GS had same specs Jul 14 23:17:54 Actually palm pre is on par with iphone. its the os that slows things down at this point. Jul 14 23:18:01 and pre plus had better specs than the 3GS Jul 14 23:18:09 I remember when I got the phone over a year ago they said document editing would be available soon. Jul 14 23:18:17 on jul 20 I'll have a card with 20bux on it and will blow it on the app catalog Jul 14 23:18:35 buy 40 of my app Jul 14 23:18:37 I would like them to skip 1.4.5 and go to 1.4.6 and give us flash Jul 14 23:18:40 I can dream Jul 14 23:18:52 so the way it's sounding all those old crusty 3GS apps will have their last versions ported to webOS Jul 14 23:18:56 they'll give it minimal support Jul 14 23:18:58 they have the production flash module as well... so sad Jul 14 23:19:00 the iphone has a 1ghz processor compaired to pre's 500mhz Jul 14 23:19:02 because they're too busy tending to iphone 4 customers Jul 14 23:19:21 I just want smoother UI :( Jul 14 23:19:42 BUT at least we have service providers that dont make our phone unusable as a phone Jul 14 23:19:55 yeah but that doesn't mean much in the smartphone wars Jul 14 23:20:03 i want to write an awesome app that requires no user support, then sit back on my back side and make money Jul 14 23:20:03 a good app dev has a good app bot, "Thank you for contacting support. Unfortunately our office is now closed" Jul 14 23:20:11 being on a crappy carrier doesn't reduce the number of apps you can say are in your store Jul 14 23:20:13 and not every retard on the planet is using our carrier's bandwidth, so calls don't drop and internet speeds are decent Jul 14 23:20:46 EmmettLollis: i did that with Emergency Lights Jul 14 23:20:55 emergency lights? Jul 14 23:21:08 "i want the iphone" but the service provicer sucks, "I want the iphone", but the evo here has a better os and better hardware, "I want the iphone" Jul 14 23:21:26 dekan: emergency lights Jul 14 23:21:26 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=net.halfzero.emergencylights Jul 14 23:21:41 hate maik! Jul 14 23:21:46 :D Jul 14 23:21:46 I disagree, IOS is better than android, unless your a nerd who needs root access :D Jul 14 23:21:49 i mean ... uh ...nm Jul 14 23:21:59 and even then Jul 14 23:22:02 <- nerd Jul 14 23:22:02 and multitasking :D Jul 14 23:22:04 haha, awesome app Jul 14 23:22:06 you don't get root access Jul 14 23:22:08 ;) Jul 14 23:22:28 EmmettLollis: yep, requires no user support and it's got the perfect utility/stupidity ratio Jul 14 23:22:30 IOS thats another thing, IOS has been Internetwork Operating System (c) cisco since at least as far back as 2000 Jul 14 23:22:43 freaking apple just has to stick I on everything Jul 14 23:22:43 well, and cisco owned iPhone too Jul 14 23:22:47 i know Jul 14 23:22:50 I like the EVO, I just think the iphone os is better for the masses... and its so easy to get malware into the app catalog Jul 14 23:22:50 sweet, i need to come up with something along those lines Jul 14 23:23:09 AppBookShop herp Jul 14 23:23:22 it's like the pet rock Jul 14 23:23:26 the guy made a million dollars Jul 14 23:23:31 really? :( Jul 14 23:23:32 hahaha Jul 14 23:23:39 what about brighthouse labs Jul 14 23:23:54 Office Space reference Jul 14 23:24:03 o Jul 14 23:24:07 A friend of mine has an app that changes the processor speed on the device to 75mhz... not sure how it does it but if you allow install your screwed Jul 14 23:24:26 haha Jul 14 23:24:34 on android? Jul 14 23:24:36 yes Jul 14 23:24:44 in a completely unrelated note: http://coolvibe.com/2010/40-epic-star-wars-wallpapers/ Jul 14 23:24:58 not sure if it was removed from the cat recently or not Jul 14 23:25:05 they purged a few of them Jul 14 23:25:10 finally Jul 14 23:26:08 I cant believe how many of dijits crapple is in the catalog now Jul 14 23:26:38 dijits crapple? Jul 14 23:27:02 are you dijit? Jul 14 23:27:09 no i just dont get it Jul 14 23:27:13 crap apps Jul 14 23:27:15 I dont need to pay .5 for an app that provides un adult rated content when I can open bing wallpaper search for that... or m.bing.com for that matter Jul 14 23:27:17 i am digitalpowers ... obviously Jul 14 23:27:25 ugh I hate those too Jul 14 23:27:49 I guess I shouldnt talk because I have 4 useless buttons in their but they are free, play a sound and have ads Jul 14 23:27:57 but I dont keep updating them Jul 14 23:28:01 the razor app is great Jul 14 23:28:04 whoever did that Jul 14 23:28:09 huh huh you said "in their but" Jul 14 23:28:12 that's like, a top notch sound effect app Jul 14 23:28:22 hahahahahahahahahah Jul 14 23:28:27 * CTLAdvance rofl Jul 14 23:28:37 * CTLAdvance falls off of chair Jul 14 23:28:44 it's so good I thought I was shaving myself when I used it Jul 14 23:28:50 my hobby: taking arbitrary misspellings completely out of context Jul 14 23:29:10 also the vuzuvela that you fistpump to use Jul 14 23:29:59 do you think a survival of the fittest style app store would work Jul 14 23:30:07 where anything with less than 2 stars just gets destroyed Jul 14 23:30:40 that leaves out the long tail completely Jul 14 23:30:54 which if you studied economics you would know garners a really big part of profits Jul 14 23:31:15 can we just get rid of profits :( Jul 14 23:31:21 depends Jul 14 23:31:32 when the next webos phone comes out are you going to give it to me for free Jul 14 23:31:34 and feed me Jul 14 23:31:38 sure why not Jul 14 23:31:38 and cloth me Jul 14 23:31:42 free dry cleaning too Jul 14 23:31:44 and bath me Jul 14 23:31:49 ... i mean ... uh Jul 14 23:31:52 communisum, huzzah Jul 14 23:32:04 someone rated my app 0 stars because it didn't have a feature they wanted Jul 14 23:32:12 people are stupid Jul 14 23:32:13 ya, ungrateful bastards Jul 14 23:32:18 that is my #1 rule Jul 14 23:32:25 i hate it when they do that for a free app Jul 14 23:32:27 then someone came back and gave me 4 stars Jul 14 23:32:58 its like, this free software someone took their time to write and give to me for FREE doesnt do X, i hate them, 0/5 Jul 14 23:33:09 guess what, the user who gave me 4 stars will actually have their issue worked on Jul 14 23:33:12 torchie - yes but after 60 - 90 days Jul 14 23:33:18 being free's not even the issue though Jul 14 23:33:25 I agree anything < 1 star should be deleted Jul 14 23:33:31 and then they could resubmit it Jul 14 23:33:31 CTLAdvance: REPLY TO ME Jul 14 23:33:38 CTLAdvance: +1 Jul 14 23:33:38 people seem to be like "if an app doesn't do something it wasn't made to do, it sucks" Jul 14 23:33:39 Ish Jul 14 23:34:00 so if this word processor app doesn't brush my teeth Jul 14 23:34:05 it's a pretty crappy word processor app right? Jul 14 23:34:27 tangentally, fuck microsoft office for mac Jul 14 23:34:32 yeah really Jul 14 23:34:34 fuck it hard Jul 14 23:34:38 MAIK FUCK MAC Jul 14 23:34:44 sorry Jul 14 23:34:44 CTLAdvance: don't make me break you Jul 14 23:34:57 lets just agree to disagree Jul 14 23:35:01 microsoft office on windows feels like everything is good and right in the world Jul 14 23:35:07 otherwise dkirker will ban us Jul 14 23:35:12 for this, you will pay a terrible price! Jul 14 23:35:19 dekan: assault CTLAdvance!!!! Jul 14 23:35:20 I do not know. Jul 14 23:35:22 :o Jul 14 23:35:25 *headdesk* Jul 14 23:35:35 ok, CTLAdvance Jul 14 23:35:43 * CTLAdvance puts on bullet proof vest and battle helmet Jul 14 23:35:44 morning Jul 14 23:35:50 lol Jul 14 23:35:54 mornin Jul 14 23:35:57 good morning rwhitby Jul 14 23:36:37 maik are you still on the assault Jul 14 23:36:50 CTLAdvance: i...don't think so Jul 14 23:36:55 ok Jul 14 23:37:01 motninh rwhitby Jul 14 23:37:24 No 1.4.5 yet? Jul 14 23:37:25 motninh = buenos dias Jul 14 23:37:41 rwhitby: negativ Jul 14 23:37:42 agree to disagree we shall... Jul 14 23:37:52 rwhitby: morning, no 1.4.5 yet Jul 14 23:37:59 CTLAdvance: but we shall meet again Jul 14 23:38:18 what is the best way to pass a password to a "server" cloud? Jul 14 23:38:21 kesne says he said it's coming today like 20 times Jul 14 23:38:26 so if he's wrong I'll give him a wollop Jul 14 23:38:40 LoneStar99: POST over https Jul 14 23:39:06 halfhalo: what if https: is not an option... Jul 14 23:39:30 http is the next best thing Jul 14 23:40:00 carrier pigeon Jul 14 23:40:12 there's a chance of interception with carrier pigeons Jul 14 23:40:25 torchie: Go into KSO chat Jul 14 23:40:26 carrier pigeon... nice Jul 14 23:40:36 I made it more interesting Jul 14 23:40:49 oh my Jul 14 23:41:08 steamy Jul 14 23:41:16 lonestar99 carrier pidgeons are actually very efficient Jul 14 23:41:25 as seen in africa bandwidth tests Jul 14 23:41:36 the pidgeons beat the biggest telecom provider there Jul 14 23:42:35 dekan: carrier pigeon? Jul 14 23:42:35 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549 Jul 14 23:42:39 and they can easily outclas the load capacity of European swallows Jul 14 23:42:45 CTLAdvance: some sort of "carrier" pigeons are extinct Jul 14 23:42:57 torchie: Did you see it? Jul 14 23:43:04 that may be but some kinds are still in use Jul 14 23:43:23 un segundo senor Jul 14 23:45:04 wokka wokka Jul 14 23:45:51 CTLAdvance: some kid shot the last of one type of pigeon with a BB gun... Jul 14 23:46:45 hah Jul 14 23:46:47 i mean... Jul 14 23:46:49 no, hah! Jul 14 23:47:28 be back in a bit Jul 14 23:47:32 Passenger Pigeon is the one i confused with carrier pigeon Jul 14 23:50:52 http://6.media.bustedtees.com/bustedtees/mf/2/3/bustedtees.ef270fa215d10509c3fd5a7396959940.gif Jul 14 23:50:58 time to go jog, before the mosquitos attack! Jul 14 23:51:03 a pigeon with passengers? that would rock Jul 14 23:51:51 I love abusing my admin power Jul 14 23:52:02 Adding "Sexy" in front of everybody's name is fun! Jul 14 23:52:13 hrm Jul 14 23:54:59 hrm Jul 14 23:58:52 "The Simple Sounds" would be a good name for a band. Jul 14 23:59:30 Free Beer Jul 15 00:00:17 geeky developer band: The Open Sores Project Jul 15 00:03:52 I am carrying $inventory. Jul 15 00:04:54 nice Jul 15 00:06:38 weeeee vm Jul 15 00:06:45 ew Jul 15 00:07:43 ubuntu vm with nginx+rails+git+redmine+node Jul 15 00:10:52 halfhalo: you are in a room, you hear a strange noise nearby. There are exits to the west and north Jul 15 00:10:55 i'm gonna give kesne so much shit Jul 15 00:11:06 he was talking so much about 1.4.5.1 being out today Jul 15 00:11:13 tick tock tick tock my friend :) Jul 15 00:11:16 I choose fireaxe, zippo, and lighterfluid Jul 15 00:14:41 NO, YOU LIE PASSENGER! YOU LIE! Jul 15 00:17:52 i love egyptian kings Jul 15 00:18:05 die in a fire Jul 15 00:21:52 awesome is codeslaw Jul 15 00:22:08 random bot spam ftl. Jul 15 00:22:19 why is he not on fire Jul 15 00:25:52 i love real dirty things Jul 15 00:26:05 dekan: shut up Jul 15 00:26:05 Okay, Anivrom - be back in a bit! Jul 15 00:26:21 geez Jul 15 00:26:46 nope, still no 1.4.5.1 Jul 15 00:26:54 ofc not Jul 15 00:27:25 It's carrier dependant anyways so it won't come out all on the same day anyways. Jul 15 00:27:32 idk how the hot apps is gonna work Jul 15 00:28:00 i'm on 1.5.3 Jul 15 00:28:16 oh sorry, that was in a dream Jul 15 00:28:43 I wonder what 2.0 will be like Jul 15 00:28:49 I'm alpha testing 2.0, greatest feature, it has an app that builds you an island and transforms into a freakin jet and takes you there. Jul 15 00:28:53 lmfao Jul 15 00:28:59 lol Jul 15 00:29:10 does it grant 3 wishes also? Jul 15 00:29:12 it freakin prints money! Jul 15 00:29:21 Even if one of those wishes is for 1.4.5 Jul 15 00:29:22 even if one of those wishes is for an iphone? Jul 15 00:29:49 i would completely get the one that prints money Jul 15 00:29:50 although I think there's a bug in that one cause I've been wishing for days and it hasnt happened Jul 15 00:30:10 i have 0 users on 1.4.5 Jul 15 00:30:29 i've got 1 user on 1.4.3 Jul 15 00:30:53 what do you mean Jul 15 00:31:11 me? Jul 15 00:31:48 out of my hundreds of thousands or 60 something users the highest webos version they're running is 1/4/3 Jul 15 00:32:32 how do you know ? Jul 15 00:32:56 metrix.webosroundup..com Jul 15 00:33:28 minus 1 dot Jul 15 00:34:11 * CTLAdvance mmm fresh saaaaweeeeeet CORN nom nom nom bing nom nom nom bing nom nom nom bing Jul 15 00:34:22 * CTLAdvance = return on cob wheel Jul 15 00:34:29 lol Jul 15 00:34:31 love corn on the cob Jul 15 00:35:42 corn on the cob is too hard to eat for what you get from it Jul 15 00:35:43 the best thing about it is that it leaves the same way it went in Jul 15 00:35:57 makes your turds float Jul 15 00:36:08 stupid vm Jul 15 00:36:11 lol Jul 15 00:36:58 i wonder what kind of pdk apps will be ou t Jul 15 00:37:13 palm should have at least done a preview Jul 15 00:37:44 when does the contest start? tomorrow? Jul 15 00:37:58 i am sure most people don't havr a clue about this Jul 15 00:37:59 * oil wishes it was open to hybrids Jul 15 00:38:15 um there are no official pdk apps to be released alongside 1.4.5 its all user apps created by you and me Jul 15 00:38:21 oil: yeah, this PDK apps contents will just produce bad UI experiences Jul 15 00:38:37 i feel pdk is great for games Jul 15 00:38:45 but not for a consistant user experience Jul 15 00:38:49 correct Jul 15 00:38:52 fully agree Jul 15 00:38:52 right Jul 15 00:38:55 gogo rails! Jul 15 00:39:01 gogo grails Jul 15 00:39:05 they need to release ui guidelines Jul 15 00:39:09 and assets people can use Jul 15 00:39:13 so they can be more uniform Jul 15 00:39:18 hehe…. assets... Jul 15 00:39:36 i need some assets Jul 15 00:40:22 right now even one asset would be nice Jul 15 00:41:08 oil: if you wanted to conform to UI guidelines and familiar UX paradigms... you probably wouldn't be using the PDK Jul 15 00:41:17 well Jul 15 00:41:21 thats why hybrids are so awesome Jul 15 00:41:27 beauty of mojo + power of pdk Jul 15 00:41:34 lies Jul 15 00:41:58 time for ruby enterprise edition again.... Jul 15 00:42:07 get your rails outta my webos Jul 15 00:42:17 get your webos out of my rails Jul 15 00:42:22 gladly! Jul 15 00:42:31 well then! Jul 15 00:42:47 tea? Jul 15 00:43:05 hello gentlemen, may I take your order? Jul 15 00:43:06 you know... the PDK hot apps competition will be pretty interesting if 1.4.5 doesn't hit for a while Jul 15 00:43:20 Anivrom: veggie burger, fries and a beer Jul 15 00:43:28 Anything else? Jul 15 00:43:37 Anivrom: medium raw steak here Jul 15 00:43:43 sure np Jul 15 00:44:01 How about anyone else at the table? Jul 15 00:44:17 Ok. be right back with your meals gentlement Jul 15 00:44:23 gentlemen too* Jul 15 00:44:34 * Anivrom comes back with 2 plates of spam. Jul 15 00:44:36 Cheers :) Jul 15 00:44:46 is it at least raw spam? Jul 15 00:44:52 absolutely. Jul 15 00:44:56 good Jul 15 00:44:59 damn Jul 15 00:45:01 wow, spam is horrible Jul 15 00:45:03 can i have some blood on the side? Jul 15 00:45:04 this vm starts fast Jul 15 00:45:07 even with no ram Jul 15 00:45:17 ssd ftw :p Jul 15 00:45:17 Blood is extra Jul 15 00:45:24 mmmm, spam Jul 15 00:45:43 maaaaaaan Jul 15 00:45:53 spam is not vegetarian at all. Jul 15 00:45:53 trailer bait Jul 15 00:45:56 lame Jul 15 00:46:16 Oh sorry sir ill be right back with your dish! Jul 15 00:46:19 fun game... Jul 15 00:46:42 * Anivrom brings back a plate of dirt. Jul 15 00:46:48 throw a can of spam and a 12 of beast ligt into a trailer park.. Jul 15 00:46:50 Sorry about that sir. cheers Jul 15 00:46:55 see the carnage Jul 15 00:47:08 mmm Jul 15 00:47:22 I asked the chef to put a few beans on the side Jul 15 00:47:28 perfect Jul 15 00:48:13 Yea we found a bunch behind the fridge a few weeks ago. Never know what you'll find when you cleanup a rat poison spill Jul 15 00:48:22 Enjoy :) Jul 15 00:48:39 I heard bp is gonna use spam to plug the well Jul 15 00:49:03 as in eat so much they get fat and plug the hole with their own bodies? Jul 15 00:49:09 good thinking! Jul 15 00:49:12 * oil bets they end up just nuking it Jul 15 00:49:20 heh Jul 15 00:49:26 like the russians Jul 15 00:49:27 I choose you! Ruby Enterprise Edition! Jul 15 00:49:34 On the brightside. free oil for anyone wanting to save a few bucks Jul 15 00:49:38 who said corn on the cob makes your turds float Jul 15 00:49:46 * oil did Jul 15 00:49:56 wow Jul 15 00:50:07 lol Jul 15 00:50:08 you wanna start something Jul 15 00:50:11 ;) Jul 15 00:50:14 so pdk hot apps is mostly homebrew stuff? Jul 15 00:50:19 * CTLAdvance goes back to making his turds float Jul 15 00:50:28 prolly an even share of both renegaid Jul 15 00:50:39 alot of studios are porting im sure Jul 15 00:50:43 I think I saw that on mythbusters Jul 15 00:50:47 u think ? Jul 15 00:51:07 barely anyone ported for the previous hot apps Jul 15 00:51:22 umm cuase that was sdk Jul 15 00:51:30 They would have had to rewrite the app in mojo Jul 15 00:51:35 they didn't wanna learn mojo Jul 15 00:51:36 i see Jul 15 00:51:39 doh Jul 15 00:51:45 This is practically a striaght C/C++ port Jul 15 00:51:50 for pdk Jul 15 00:52:20 First competition was to get more apps in the store in general. this one is to get more high performance apps Jul 15 00:52:22 brb Jul 15 00:52:50 if only palm had new hardware. my sprint pre could barely launch a game without the too many cards error Jul 15 00:52:54 sudo make me a samich Jul 15 00:53:27 what held webos back from betting more apps? Jul 15 00:53:29 I've only had that error once or twice Jul 15 00:53:33 getting Jul 15 00:53:58 fizzled sales Jul 15 00:53:59 was it the fee? does android have a fee? amzing how many more apps are on there Jul 15 00:54:07 bad marketing Jul 15 00:54:27 the hardware wasn't appealing ot the masses Jul 15 00:54:33 no, most people see webos as dead Jul 15 00:54:48 renegaid: its called compcache. gives you more memory by compressing a portion of your ram. Preware > uberkernel Jul 15 00:54:55 at least all my friends say that Jul 15 00:55:07 most people suck Jul 15 00:55:15 it's always a fight Jul 15 00:55:20 I dont have TMC issues anymore Jul 15 00:55:24 most people just don't know Jul 15 00:55:24 where or where did rails install to.... Jul 15 00:55:41 every time ive looked at hte pros and cons of the different platforms Jul 15 00:55:45 webos is always the winner Jul 15 00:55:49 kateky i have been feeling like it is kind of dying Jul 15 00:55:50 yup Jul 15 00:55:52 oil: definately Jul 15 00:56:07 need new hardware and a proper launch Jul 15 00:56:26 if they call it the iPre everyone will buy it Jul 15 00:56:30 when I bought mine in december, the sprint salespeopke were mixed on the pre Jul 15 00:56:37 propper launch? Jul 15 00:56:38 it's not too late but i wonder how much money HP will be willing to risk on this Jul 15 00:56:45 one had one and loved it Jul 15 00:56:46 all that means is enough phones so i will get one Jul 15 00:56:48 elevation already made a huge mistake Jul 15 00:57:15 the other never used a pre and wss trying to talk me out of it Jul 15 00:57:28 bad marketing Jul 15 00:57:48 but it prints money Jul 15 00:58:28 when sprint releases the epic 4g i am upgrading to that Jul 15 00:58:55 no 4g where I live Jul 15 00:58:59 1.4.5 is beginning to hit Jul 15 00:59:05 useless service Jul 15 00:59:16 none here either but don't really care. that phone is nice Jul 15 00:59:32 boom Jul 15 00:59:36 passenger up Jul 15 00:59:40 where is 1.4.5 hitting? Jul 15 00:59:44 nyc might get 4G soon but don't care too much about it. I mostly use wifi Jul 15 01:00:16 o2 UK Jul 15 01:00:27 probably very few webos users there Jul 15 01:00:30 i just have 1 uk user Jul 15 01:00:33 bah android Jul 15 01:00:46 but she saved me on a bad review i had Jul 15 01:00:59 fooey on it Jul 15 01:02:17 guess i should charge my pre beyond 15% if an update is coming Jul 15 01:02:23 why? Jul 15 01:03:06 maybe i should go ahead and throw together a PDK app tonight Jul 15 01:04:26 hiyooo Jul 15 01:04:54 i think webos needs a new flashlight app Jul 15 01:05:00 yes, thats it Jul 15 01:05:30 uggg.... Jul 15 01:05:41 a wirc add-on that lets you keep track of people's suspected alternate nicks Jul 15 01:06:08 thats just doing a whois and saving the result Jul 15 01:06:08 but that requires me to think, thinking bad Jul 15 01:06:22 why no irc clients in the app catalog Jul 15 01:06:29 there will be soon Jul 15 01:06:40 rolsworth, we talked about that the last time you came Jul 15 01:06:42 no sockets Jul 15 01:06:45 yet Jul 15 01:07:21 what does wirc do then Jul 15 01:07:29 it's not in the catalog Jul 15 01:07:33 it can do what it wants Jul 15 01:07:35 wirc is a mobile irc client Jul 15 01:07:36 i.e. use sockets Jul 15 01:07:37 It rocks. Jul 15 01:07:37 i know Jul 15 01:07:46 oh nvm Jul 15 01:07:47 :P Jul 15 01:07:53 wirc is ok but has some issues Jul 15 01:07:59 Wasn't following so my interjection was out of context Jul 15 01:08:32 EmmettLollis: no more craplets please! Jul 15 01:08:54 aww Jul 15 01:09:08 bell canada and europe got the update Jul 15 01:09:11 time to set up redmine Jul 15 01:09:11 Something original and useful would be good. Jul 15 01:09:22 Bell canada did not get the update. I'm on bell canada. Jul 15 01:09:35 it's on the front page of precentral Jul 15 01:09:47 false news? Jul 15 01:09:53 * Anivrom opens updates to check if he's right Jul 15 01:09:53 oh sweet Jul 15 01:10:09 WOW Jul 15 01:10:13 1.4.5 is here baby Jul 15 01:10:25 apologies go out to renegaid. Jul 15 01:11:10 mine is still "up to date" at 1.4.1 Jul 15 01:11:12 i wonder if the pdk apps will be in th ecatalog after the update or not Jul 15 01:11:22 What do I have to do before I install 1.4.5 in the way of homebrew stuff Jul 15 01:11:36 * pandora-- checks updates app AGAIN Jul 15 01:11:53 no on sprint Jul 15 01:11:53 sprint fail Jul 15 01:11:57 :( Jul 15 01:12:13 * Anivrom feels special. First one to have update Jul 15 01:12:16 FIRST! Jul 15 01:12:17 renegaid: if not, I'm sure they will be there at some point Jul 15 01:13:45 not on my sprint yet either Jul 15 01:14:50 hrm Jul 15 01:14:57 still up to date on my vzw Jul 15 01:16:14 mine is taking an awefuly long time checking for updated Jul 15 01:16:17 updates Jul 15 01:18:54 EmmettLollis: give up Jul 15 01:19:29 still no update Jul 15 01:19:59 nothin Jul 15 01:20:43 * Anivrom is rockin 1.4.5 Jul 15 01:22:43 only 8mb Jul 15 01:22:58 last was 143 or something Jul 15 01:24:12 what i'm interested in.. does 1.4.5 give me god mode and unlimited ammo? Jul 15 01:26:00 it does, but you need to hack the .sav file Jul 15 01:26:21 you can see/shoot through walls with it too Jul 15 01:26:56 are there any new apps in the catalog? no right Jul 15 01:28:22 certainly not mine Jul 15 01:28:30 that i submitted an update to over the weekend Jul 15 01:28:49 haeffb_: <---- updated to 1.4.5 its hitting countries like wildfire Jul 15 01:28:55 ok maybe exaggeration. Jul 15 01:29:39 lame Jul 15 01:30:05 no 1.4.5 in SC Jul 15 01:30:10 renegaid: if there were, would you be able to get them right now? no, because you don't have 1.4.5, so it's kind of pointless Jul 15 01:30:52 what is it that you are expecting to change as far as the app catalog and this one update? Jul 15 01:31:08 "I can download apps to it" Jul 15 01:31:13 it's pointless to ask if there is anything new? Jul 15 01:31:14 magical new apps that do 3d holograms of your favorite tweeter or whatever the hell the are called? Jul 15 01:31:29 it's pointless to care if there's nothing new when either way you can't use them, yes Jul 15 01:31:33 ew default theme is so ugly Jul 15 01:31:39 I want my eve online back! Jul 15 01:31:40 ok sir Jul 15 01:31:52 update out yet? Jul 15 01:31:52 That would be a good name for a band. Jul 15 01:32:08 torchie: on bell canada it is Jul 15 01:32:26 i assume it would be released for sprint ane the others before midnight pacific time Jul 15 01:32:51 talk about a dramatic finish palm. wait till the last possible second to issue it Jul 15 01:33:06 that doesn't sound like sprint america Jul 15 01:33:32 what about Hawaii? they're well beyond pacific time Jul 15 01:34:44 it's 6:34 PCT Jul 15 01:34:44 "It's 634 PCT" would be a nice name for a band. Jul 15 01:34:47 does it come with the GBs? Jul 15 01:34:54 Nah no bigger GB's Jul 15 01:35:31 but it has the wifi Jul 15 01:35:34 wifi's Jul 15 01:35:45 Oooh the wifi's are good Jul 15 01:36:05 it's only 3:35 in Honolulu, though Jul 15 01:38:25 does not matter what time it is in Honolulu. Palm is on PCT Jul 15 01:39:03 damn, dude, you can't even give them a 3-hour buffer? Jul 15 01:39:07 that's cold Jul 15 01:39:29 lol Jul 15 01:39:35 was it supposed to hit at a specific time or something? Jul 15 01:39:40 no Jul 15 01:39:41 I wonder why Palm's consumers are so heartless? Jul 15 01:39:53 there were no press releases on the topic. ppl just assumed I think Jul 15 01:39:58 and assumed correctly Jul 15 01:39:59 apparently Jul 15 01:40:04 for some Jul 15 01:40:05 sugardave: because we see everybody else with better hardware and less bugs... thats why Jul 15 01:40:12 lol Jul 15 01:40:14 it only makes sense to upgrade to 1.4.5 for the hot apps contest Jul 15 01:41:08 pandora--: hermit living ftw! I don't have device envy, because I don't go outside :D Jul 15 01:42:35 Hey all! Jul 15 01:42:50 kesne: Guess who's got 1.4.5? Jul 15 01:42:59 Anivrom: You? Jul 15 01:43:04 kesne: rgr Jul 15 01:43:17 Anivrom: Where do you live? Jul 15 01:43:19 kesne: you're losing so far. i don't have 1.4.5.1 Jul 15 01:43:21 bell canada. Jul 15 01:43:27 Ah Jul 15 01:43:28 see? Jul 15 01:43:29 Damn canadians Jul 15 01:43:31 canada doesn't count Jul 15 01:43:33 pandora--: :P Jul 15 01:43:46 yanks. think you own the world Jul 15 01:43:48 sugardave: lol Jul 15 01:43:55 Anivrom: nah, just california Jul 15 01:43:56 :P Jul 15 01:45:46 still waiting Jul 15 01:45:54 will it it at 12 AM? only one way to see! Jul 15 01:46:08 welcome to the PDK hot apps program initiation party! Jul 15 01:46:37 yo Jul 15 01:46:43 CODESLAW! Jul 15 01:46:45 get the update yet? Jul 15 01:46:46 i'm for for party Jul 15 01:47:43 Anivrom: like I said before, all the important places in the world have 1.4.5 ... Jul 15 01:47:58 lol Jul 15 01:48:28 Boy, I do hate rwhitby... Jul 15 01:48:33 :P Jul 15 01:48:37 Glad to see that HP is rolling out 1.4.5 in order of importance of countries. Palm was too US-centric for my taste ;) Jul 15 01:48:51 the movers and the shakers are getting served first Jul 15 01:49:48 sugardave: you used webview for login stuff is that right? Jul 15 01:51:23 LoneStar99: sort of, what are you trying to do? Jul 15 01:51:50 brb Jul 15 01:54:52 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Jul 15 01:55:06 oh, everyone waiting for 1.4.5 on the device not SDK.... Jul 15 01:55:59 yeah Jul 15 01:56:39 LoneStar99: what I did was use a webview to let the user complete the "request token authorization" step of the oauth login process Jul 15 01:57:02 sugardave: and it looks transparent? Jul 15 01:57:30 and I was able to look at the final url to determine a successful login before attempting to get the token verifier Jul 15 01:58:04 transparent enough, I guess...it's still ugly because I had to try and autozoom to the login fields and/or text area Jul 15 01:58:22 I requested an API to just pull the login form url or something but have not heard from them Jul 15 01:59:03 ok sugardave will try webview Jul 15 01:59:16 might just be the simplest fix Jul 15 01:59:21 I pop up a dialog telling the user they will need to authorize and I am loading the webview in the background, then they log in, authorize, then I hide the webview Jul 15 01:59:32 k Jul 15 01:59:33 and finish the auth process in js Jul 15 02:01:09 if i wanted to offer my app in spanish, should i just re-do the whole thing and release it as a spanish version, or add in option to change the language to spanish? and if i did that, would i have to rebuild each scene in spanish? Jul 15 02:01:49 discombobulate: there's a way to build in localization Jul 15 02:02:21 and then you provide resource files for the languages you support....something like that, I've never done it Jul 15 02:02:23 discombobulate: yeah, unless the text is directly on the html files of your app Jul 15 02:05:52 I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase. Jul 15 02:07:56 hrm.. localization eh? Jul 15 02:08:37 yeah, when you see $L() in samples, that means to localize whatever text is in there Jul 15 02:08:59 hmm Jul 15 02:09:06 So it automatically does the translation? Jul 15 02:09:23 that would be smooth Jul 15 02:09:25 if you have the resource file(s) Jul 15 02:09:36 so it'd grab whatever language the device is in? Jul 15 02:09:43 provided the app supports Jul 15 02:10:03 I think they're just JSON with "this text": "this translation" and then one of those files in each of a special language directory Jul 15 02:10:19 not sure if you have to do anything or if it keys off the phone prefs automatically Jul 15 02:10:26 ah Jul 15 02:10:38 well, i think you set me down the right path.. again Jul 15 02:10:40 thanks Jul 15 02:10:41 I have never once looked into it, but I see people talk about here from time to time Jul 15 02:10:45 np Jul 15 02:12:36 k- Jul 15 02:12:48 ? Jul 15 02:12:55 It's a cool name Jul 15 02:13:38 my phone is still "up to date" Jul 15 02:13:50 k"${dash/ash/}" Jul 15 02:13:50 EmmettLollis: Heh Jul 15 02:14:27 EmmettLollis: "stable" Jul 15 02:14:38 yeah thats the word Jul 15 02:14:54 or to match my own feelings... inadequate Jul 15 02:14:55 "$ dash=dash ; echo d"${dash/ash/}"...... if you want.. Jul 15 02:15:18 what is the css, that goes on a webpage so that the device will not zoom? Jul 15 02:15:41 oops, nvm, cya guys ;) Jul 15 02:15:47 EmmettLollis: Hey, you should buy Planet Eaters Jul 15 02:16:33 yeah i was checking that game out, it looks cool Jul 15 02:17:03 seems a bit over priced though right? Jul 15 02:17:18 No? Jul 15 02:17:20 1.99? Jul 15 02:17:33 i don't even know the price Jul 15 02:17:38 Heh Jul 15 02:17:45 It''s $1.99 Jul 15 02:17:57 is that with the 50% off? Jul 15 02:18:13 No Jul 15 02:18:17 $1.00 Jul 15 02:18:21 the i know kesne discount? Jul 15 02:18:29 IS IT OUT YET Jul 15 02:18:39 discombobulate: Who are you again? Jul 15 02:18:47 kesne: email me ipk ill install it with preware :) Jul 15 02:18:47 exactly Jul 15 02:18:47 he's your uncle Jul 15 02:19:02 oil: Give me 1.99 and I will :) Jul 15 02:19:04 email him ipk, he'll put it on preware Jul 15 02:19:19 * oil gave you preware for frees Jul 15 02:19:24 and govnah! Jul 15 02:19:25 and wirc! Jul 15 02:19:31 ... Jul 15 02:19:34 lies Jul 15 02:19:42 and.. xbox friends app! Jul 15 02:19:51 and whatever else Jul 15 02:19:53 lol Jul 15 02:19:59 hah Jul 15 02:20:02 Hah Jul 15 02:20:03 xbox friends Jul 15 02:20:04 oil gave you webOS Jul 15 02:20:04 :P Jul 15 02:20:09 that like worse than steamfriends Jul 15 02:20:11 * oil had nothing to do with it xD Jul 15 02:20:11 Pay me :P Jul 15 02:20:16 It took 8 months to finish Jul 15 02:20:18 I dunno Jul 15 02:20:23 I actually have friends on xbox live Jul 15 02:20:43 * sugardave again wishes for some kind of Playstation Network API. Jul 15 02:21:09 8 months? Jul 15 02:21:10 lol Jul 15 02:21:13 Yessir Jul 15 02:21:17 The app is amazing Jul 15 02:21:22 there is no demo? Jul 15 02:21:26 which app Jul 15 02:21:29 Video? No Jul 15 02:21:31 Not yet Jul 15 02:21:38 torchie: Planet Eaters Jul 15 02:21:42 * oil really only buys apps that have a free trial and he likes it Jul 15 02:21:45 that took you 8 months? Jul 15 02:21:48 Yeah Jul 15 02:21:51 whoa, long time Jul 15 02:21:54 It's amazing, that's why Jul 15 02:22:15 * Tibfib probably won't buy it without a trial Jul 15 02:22:23 or at least a video Jul 15 02:22:31 Video will come soon Jul 15 02:22:32 or more screenshots Jul 15 02:22:32 "Or More Screenshots" would make a good name for a band. Jul 15 02:22:43 botsnack Jul 15 02:22:43 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 15 02:22:43 hell yeah dekan Jul 15 02:22:56 kesne hasn't even ever explained it Jul 15 02:23:03 BRB Jul 15 02:23:08 * oil has no clue what it even is Jul 15 02:23:10 I tried asking once but he wouldn't tell me Jul 15 02:23:13 it could be a word game as far as i know Jul 15 02:23:23 you are a planet eating other planets Jul 15 02:23:26 i think Jul 15 02:23:27 I think it is accelerometer based Jul 15 02:23:30 or an app that just says "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" Jul 15 02:23:36 I think there is at least one blackhole involved Jul 15 02:24:11 eh, im not much of a fan of accelerometer based control Jul 15 02:24:18 oh it is accelerometer based Jul 15 02:24:46 You are a planet eater thing, and you go and eat planets Jul 15 02:24:54 And avoid black holes Jul 15 02:24:59 But it's really addictive Jul 15 02:24:59 * Tibfib understands now Jul 15 02:25:11 cant eat blackholes? Jul 15 02:25:17 weak Jul 15 02:25:25 unless you get really really big right? Jul 15 02:25:28 well you can Jul 15 02:25:35 If you do, then you get hurt Jul 15 02:25:36 lol Jul 15 02:25:37 needs a chuck norris mode, to eat the blackholes Jul 15 02:25:43 I got bored of p.e fairly fast Jul 15 02:25:44 ha Jul 15 02:25:47 and it needs a trial Jul 15 02:26:04 rwhitby: type in "immaeateryo" Jul 15 02:26:05 yeah like a 3 minute demo or something Jul 15 02:26:06 Seriously Jul 15 02:26:15 dekan: kesne's todolist is chuck norris mode and trial Jul 15 02:26:15 Okay, Tibfib. Jul 15 02:26:17 Demo is in the works :P Jul 15 02:26:26 No, chuck norris mode is done Jul 15 02:26:28 oh ok Jul 15 02:26:32 Type in immaeateryo Jul 15 02:26:38 And Video is also in the works Jul 15 02:26:55 It'll be pushed out soon Jul 15 02:26:57 OMG I got it! Jul 15 02:26:58 Don't fear Jul 15 02:27:01 an energy drink! Jul 15 02:27:01 EmmettLollis: ? Jul 15 02:27:07 ... Jul 15 02:27:08 dekan: forget kesne's todolist Jul 15 02:27:08 I don't know Jul 15 02:27:09 * oil fears Jul 15 02:27:14 I haven't seen a video of it yet Jul 15 02:27:19 all I know is there's a brown guy Jul 15 02:27:22 with a mustache Jul 15 02:27:24 sorry, been dying to say that all night Jul 15 02:27:27 botsmack Jul 15 02:27:27 * dekan cowers Jul 15 02:27:28 It'll be ready tomorrow :P Jul 15 02:27:32 trying to find the meta tag that goes on a webpage so that a device will not zoom on content, b/c it made to fit a device... Jul 15 02:27:48 viewport? Jul 15 02:27:52 LoneStar99: what he said Jul 15 02:28:03 Hey, I'm going to eat dinner Jul 15 02:28:18 Seriously though, it's a really really really good game Jul 15 02:28:29 Anivrom doesn't know, he only played a beta Jul 15 02:28:29 yeah there we go "viewport" Jul 15 02:28:38 I'll get a demo and video up as soon as I can Jul 15 02:28:47 i still have 0 users on 1.4.5 Jul 15 02:28:49 when you do, then I'll consider buying it Jul 15 02:29:46 I really hate other devs Jul 15 02:29:52 You all suck, by-the-way Jul 15 02:29:56 regular people love the app Jul 15 02:30:21 how really good of a game is it Jul 15 02:30:27 will I cry at the end Jul 15 02:30:28 tears of joy Jul 15 02:30:31 Yessir Jul 15 02:30:59 I've bought well over 50 apps from all of you without questioning :P Jul 15 02:31:14 * sugardave doesn't have 50 apps. Jul 15 02:31:23 * kesne has downloaded hundreds of apps Jul 15 02:31:29 * EmmettLollis maxed out his credit card Jul 15 02:31:40 EmmettLollis: On apps? Jul 15 02:31:55 on cigarettes mostly Jul 15 02:32:11 oh yeah well Jul 15 02:32:14 I haven't bought any apps Jul 15 02:32:19 nice kesne Jul 15 02:32:20 beat that Jul 15 02:32:38 I've probably downloaded 30 Jul 15 02:32:44 EmmettLollis: You're going to die when you're 12 Jul 15 02:32:44 (paid) Jul 15 02:32:51 pfft Jul 15 02:32:57 i wish i was 12 Jul 15 02:32:58 I paid over $200 on apps Jul 15 02:32:59 I think Jul 15 02:33:05 tabbaco use causing death is grossly exagerated Jul 15 02:33:21 i agree Wolvenhaven Jul 15 02:33:28 though it did kill my dad Jul 15 02:33:28 yeah Jul 15 02:33:30 Wolvenhaven: Your mom is grossly exagerated Jul 15 02:33:31 said the smoker...lol Jul 15 02:33:36 that tar protects your lungs Jul 15 02:33:41 from harmful clean air Jul 15 02:33:52 no Jul 15 02:33:55 if you get hit by a car Jul 15 02:33:58 yeah, if i didn't smoke i might breathe in deadly gulf oil spill air Jul 15 02:33:58 you died from smoking Jul 15 02:34:07 if you suffocate to death Jul 15 02:34:09 you died by smoking Jul 15 02:34:17 if you get shot, you died by smoking Jul 15 02:34:31 every single person who smokes, no matter how they died, died by smoking Jul 15 02:34:37 "if you didn't smoke you could of outran that bullet!" Jul 15 02:34:37 that's how those statistics are generated Jul 15 02:34:41 have* Jul 15 02:34:46 ever notice it's when people quit smoking that they have health issues? Jul 15 02:34:54 yep Jul 15 02:34:59 i quit last year Jul 15 02:35:08 like.. quit smoking, 6mos later cancer Jul 15 02:35:09 and i've been sicker this last year than i was for the last 2 Jul 15 02:35:28 i still dip, but i don't smock Jul 15 02:35:30 smoke* Jul 15 02:35:36 i do enjoy being able to breath :P Jul 15 02:35:37 * Tibfib doesn't smock either Jul 15 02:35:48 I find it gross how many devs smoke Jul 15 02:35:55 i quit on chantix in january Jul 15 02:36:09 then when mom went into the hospital i started back up Jul 15 02:36:21 i smoke hash Jul 15 02:36:23 seeing all those people illegaly smoking on the grounds made me crazy Jul 15 02:36:29 kesne: in the olden times, all I had to keep me focused on things at _300bps_ was cigarettes Jul 15 02:36:32 LoneStar99: pass it on Jul 15 02:36:32 lol Jul 15 02:36:50 jk, watching Nat Geo on Hash Jul 15 02:37:00 chantix? the "I sleep-murdered everyone on my street" drug? Jul 15 02:37:00 it was just so fucking hard living in the dorms at school to quit Jul 15 02:37:01 wow Jul 15 02:37:03 I like it how the smokers say that smoking isn't bad Jul 15 02:37:03 cause everyone smoked Jul 15 02:37:10 that's hardcore Jul 15 02:37:36 cancer is 90% genetics anyway Jul 15 02:38:08 i figure by the time i'm 40 they'll have fixed cancer Jul 15 02:38:13 or else i can just get new organs Jul 15 02:39:23 I kind of want to smoke Jul 15 02:39:28 but not cigarettes Jul 15 02:39:31 cigars! Jul 15 02:39:39 clint eastwood's character in good bad and ugly smoked cigars. Jul 15 02:39:40 cubans Jul 15 02:39:42 localization keys off the language choice in the Regional Settings Jul 15 02:40:03 one time i smoked a real cuban cigar... inhaled the whole thing, never coughed Jul 15 02:40:04 hehe, i have a $2 corn cobb pipe that's i've had for 2 years Jul 15 02:40:07 still going strong Jul 15 02:40:12 had a BAD hangover from it next day Jul 15 02:40:15 man I want a pipe Jul 15 02:40:17 George Burns smoked cigars everyday and lived till 90+ Jul 15 02:40:18 that stuff is awesome Jul 15 02:40:29 I've been hearing bullshit that you aren't supposed to inhale cigars Jul 15 02:40:35 you aren't Jul 15 02:40:39 oh Jul 15 02:40:42 then I guess it's not bullshit Jul 15 02:40:45 haeffb is stuck in slow-motion Jul 15 02:40:46 really though Jul 15 02:40:52 are you not supposed to inhale cigars Jul 15 02:41:01 good cigars are too harsh to inhale Jul 15 02:41:04 sorry he was 100 Jul 15 02:41:09 now shitty things like black and milds yea Jul 15 02:41:11 1896-10996 Jul 15 02:41:14 http://www.howtosmokeacigar.com Jul 15 02:41:14 1996 Jul 15 02:41:15 torchie: holy hell, don't inhale real cigars Jul 15 02:41:15 or maybe people aren't hardcore enough for good cigars Jul 15 02:41:23 imagine if you were like Jul 15 02:41:26 but real cigars, you pull it into your mouth, roll it around and savor the taste, and blow it out Jul 15 02:41:27 so badass that you just inhaled cubans Jul 15 02:41:38 damnit Jul 15 02:41:40 you guys suck Jul 15 02:41:42 lol Jul 15 02:41:45 i haven't smoked in like 4 months Jul 15 02:41:49 now i want to go smoke a cigar Jul 15 02:41:52 lol Jul 15 02:41:53 guys stop talking about cigars... I quit 6 years ago Jul 15 02:41:58 And now I wanna smoke one Jul 15 02:41:59 I'll smoke one with you on my birthday next week Jul 15 02:42:01 and buy apps Jul 15 02:42:01 i have an electronic cigarette Jul 15 02:42:02 and get a job Jul 15 02:42:03 lol Jul 15 02:42:04 actually 3 Jul 15 02:42:07 My wife won't let me. Jul 15 02:42:09 :P Jul 15 02:42:14 ugh Jul 15 02:42:16 * haeffb smoked one on the deck tonight, watching the waves roll in... Jul 15 02:42:20 I was planning on black and milds for my celebration :( Jul 15 02:42:23 because hey Jul 15 02:42:24 it's something Jul 15 02:42:25 More like she doesn't like it so I respectfully refrain Jul 15 02:42:31 with apologies to Anivrom and Wolvenhaven Jul 15 02:42:46 Guess what haeffb Jul 15 02:43:05 17? Jul 15 02:43:07 I hate you... Jul 15 02:43:07 maybe i could get off cigarettes if i switched to crack Jul 15 02:43:17 that's a good alternative Jul 15 02:43:35 * haeffb quit smoking cigarettes 20 years ago Jul 15 02:43:37 Actually my sister was a crack addict and it ruined her life so I can't recommend it. She's clean now though Jul 15 02:43:38 yeah, it's a cleaner draw Jul 15 02:44:18 I've often thought of switching to heroin, because it's easier to kick than nicotine Jul 15 02:44:19 Ugh Irc is bad for my apps health. Don't get much actually programming done. Jul 15 02:44:34 I hear meth is an even quicker way to destroy your life... Jul 15 02:44:36 good idea sugardave Jul 15 02:45:07 lol Jul 15 02:45:13 yummy! Jul 15 02:45:21 Anyone have any clever ideas on how to get around the inconsistency of dragStart dragging dragEnd events? Jul 15 02:45:21 nicotine laced jolly ranchers Jul 15 02:45:23 :) Jul 15 02:45:34 Anivrom: magic Jul 15 02:45:37 now that sounds good Wolvenhaven Jul 15 02:45:41 sometimes dragEnd doesn't fire at all. most times actually Jul 15 02:45:49 skoal apple longcut Jul 15 02:45:58 Anivrom: I've noticed that, pain Jul 15 02:46:16 all the skoal fruit flavors taste like jolly ranchers Jul 15 02:46:20 It fires a tap event instead. Guess im gonna have to listen in the tap event for certain conditions Jul 15 02:46:42 irc is bad for productivity unless you Jul 15 02:46:45 smoke cigars Jul 15 02:47:08 http://howtogrillsteak.com/ Jul 15 02:47:21 Wolvenhaven: what would you recommend that a lowly commoner such as myself should have first try Jul 15 02:47:37 for cigars? Jul 15 02:47:58 Smoking is bad Jul 15 02:48:00 I only do meth Jul 15 02:48:23 A note to all who are going to download 1.4.5, if you leave it on update screen too long it will automatically start downloading and if you cancel it could botch the whole update completely. Jul 15 02:48:48 stop gloating Jul 15 02:48:49 I cancelled the download twice cause it autostarted when I wasn't ready and then the update disappeared completely and it said I was uptodate with 1.4.1 Jul 15 02:48:59 "Application updates are now available" Jul 15 02:49:13 I got a new Word Ace Jul 15 02:49:54 Yay! Jul 15 02:51:08 torchie? Jul 15 02:51:26 Look Jul 15 02:51:31 I'm like you torchie Jul 15 02:51:32 what happen Jul 15 02:51:35 oh yeah Jul 15 02:51:36 for cigars Jul 15 02:51:51 you're too young to be me, kid Jul 15 02:52:00 there are ones i get all the time cause they're cheap and decent Jul 15 02:52:02 called backwoods Jul 15 02:52:09 the wild rum ones are my favorite Jul 15 02:52:10 where would you usually find those? Jul 15 02:52:14 walmart Jul 15 02:52:22 Hah.. walmart... Jul 15 02:52:26 sweet Jul 15 02:52:33 walmart is for poor people Jul 15 02:52:33 i also like monte cristos, but those are like $6/cigar Jul 15 02:52:41 i'm a college student Jul 15 02:52:49 if you're rich, you're doing it wrong Jul 15 02:52:49 Wolvenhaven: Yeah, same thing Jul 15 02:52:51 in a tiny ass bumfuck nowheresville town Jul 15 02:53:01 well this is a birthday celebration for two Jul 15 02:53:03 we only have walmart to get everything Jul 15 02:53:09 monte cristos are at walmart? Jul 15 02:53:11 I live in Tigard Jul 15 02:53:12 no Jul 15 02:53:14 :/ Jul 15 02:53:17 figgr'd Jul 15 02:53:21 wolvenhaven: walmart is all you need Jul 15 02:53:22 I don't even know what tigard is Jul 15 02:53:23 you'll have to go to a cigar shop for them Jul 15 02:53:40 Tigard is close to Portland Jul 15 02:53:57 wait Jul 15 02:54:04 I think there might be a shop that sells that stuff Jul 15 02:54:07 like right down the street Jul 15 02:54:23 i'd talk to him Jul 15 02:54:34 i'm not a huge cigar guy, i just smoke them and pipes on occasion Jul 15 02:54:48 Smoking is gross Jul 15 02:54:50 normally when we go on shooting/camping/kayaking trips and stuff Jul 15 02:54:53 You're all going to hell Jul 15 02:55:00 i'm going to hell anyway Jul 15 02:55:04 Me too! Jul 15 02:55:12 i think i've broken like 3/4 of the deadly sins Jul 15 02:55:12 I can't wait! Jul 15 02:55:21 I joined the Church of Satan Jul 15 02:55:23 lol Jul 15 02:55:32 Which ones? Jul 15 02:55:35 college automatically sends you to hell Jul 15 02:55:41 it's a good kinda hell Jul 15 02:55:42 live it up Jul 15 02:55:44 lol Jul 15 02:55:46 king tut died when he was 19 Jul 15 02:56:00 dekan: your back yay! Jul 15 02:56:00 I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase. Jul 15 02:56:20 well i'm almost 21 Jul 15 02:56:39 then you're cheating god! Jul 15 02:59:40 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 15 02:59:56 2010