**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 22 02:59:56 2010 Jul 22 03:00:09 so, how is sending a username/password through ajaxRequest any different than sending it through a webapp login? Jul 22 03:00:14 LoneStar99: you should send a hash of the nduid if you must send a device identifier (not that it identifies the device, not the user or palm profile) at all Jul 22 03:00:28 and you'd better be ready for a user to change to a new device ... Jul 22 03:00:48 ... note that it identifies ... Jul 22 03:01:02 right Jul 22 03:01:22 cause if they move their palm profile to a new device and your app no longer works, you're gonna get a 0 star review Jul 22 03:01:55 rwhitby: got it hash "nduid" , do not send it plaintext Jul 22 03:02:38 I wish there were a secure way to get a unique profile identifier...I don't need access to the profile information, just a way to say "that's profile A and that's profile 123" Jul 22 03:02:56 some magical web service Jul 22 03:04:47 are .mp4 files the only videos i can play from my pixi ? Jul 22 03:07:16 hrm Jul 22 03:19:15 allo mates Jul 22 03:19:51 wait not geeky enough Jul 22 03:19:55 allo m8's Jul 22 03:19:56 there we go Jul 22 03:20:31 nice Anivrom Jul 22 03:20:43 ePeen++; Jul 22 03:21:01 wait not geeky enough Jul 22 03:21:08 Anivrom.ePeen++; Jul 22 03:21:09 there we go Jul 22 03:22:17 killer Jul 22 03:22:24 What are you up to? Jul 22 03:26:55 trying to get my app stable enough to begin testing Jul 22 03:27:01 lol Jul 22 03:27:03 stable? Jul 22 03:27:33 working enough Jul 22 03:28:33 to have some of the folks in here to begin giving feedback Jul 22 03:28:47 well I'm always down for beta testing Jul 22 03:29:32 cool will let you know in the next few days Jul 22 03:29:59 alright sounds good Jul 22 03:33:46 Anivrom: you working on your apps? Jul 22 03:34:04 Always, every night till 1-2 am Jul 22 03:34:15 Learning every day Jul 22 03:34:41 cool, that is the way to go Jul 22 03:34:55 you working on PDK or SDK Jul 22 03:35:15 I have a great concept and its gonna fill a much neglected niche so I wanna do it right the first time Jul 22 03:35:31 normally I'm a publish early and often but not for this one Jul 22 03:35:32 SDK Jul 22 03:35:45 you should learn not-Ares Jul 22 03:35:50 meh Jul 22 03:35:59 I will after I finish this app maybe Jul 22 03:36:10 it's insanely helpful for learning the core skills Jul 22 03:36:10 I am kinda in the groove adn wanna fast track this app Jul 22 03:36:15 I'm sure Jul 22 03:36:23 ares looks cool, but never used it, use "eclipse" Jul 22 03:37:01 sugardave: does ares provide shortcuts? Jul 22 03:37:06 to coing? Jul 22 03:37:09 coding Jul 22 03:37:27 I started with eclipse when I decided to start webos development. Downloaded all the plugins and stuff, then said "hey, where's the gui...." and I watched a dev video which showed ares and that was it for me Jul 22 03:37:43 Ares has tons of shortcuts Jul 22 03:37:44 LoneStar99: Ares is completely different...widget models are mostly handled for you...really strange syntax with things like this.$ Jul 22 03:37:47 it does alot of things Jul 22 03:37:49 for you Jul 22 03:37:57 I Jul 22 03:38:01 meh you don't need to use that syntax though dave Jul 22 03:38:05 I'm way too much of a control freak for Ares Jul 22 03:38:15 You can do everything custom if you want Jul 22 03:38:26 yeah, but there is some other weird crap Jul 22 03:38:27 They don't box you in, its just if you WANT it to be done then they will happily do it Jul 22 03:38:30 interesting, ares would probably confuse me then Jul 22 03:38:44 sugardave is just a hater lonestar. Jul 22 03:38:47 it's prety, though Jul 22 03:38:49 pretty Jul 22 03:38:55 yeah Jul 22 03:38:59 great as a prototyping design tool Jul 22 03:39:03 he's got a biased vendetta against anything that can't be consolidated in notepad :P Jul 22 03:39:11 heh Jul 22 03:39:12 logged in and did a hello world Jul 22 03:39:42 when ares was first released Jul 22 03:40:14 I'm sure if it was available when I started this, I'd be using it Jul 22 03:40:51 same here Jul 22 03:41:00 same here. Jul 22 03:41:03 it was a few months to late Jul 22 03:41:04 Oh wait... I do Jul 22 03:41:05 * sugardave is still waiting for Linux PDK. Jul 22 03:41:32 new learning opportunities await Jul 22 03:41:42 sugardave you began webos development in 2009? Jul 22 03:41:47 si Jul 22 03:41:55 same here nov. 2009 Jul 22 03:42:18 2 weeks ago for me lol Jul 22 03:42:20 I think I wrote my first code in June Jul 22 03:42:28 never knew js before then either Jul 22 03:42:34 And barely any html / zz Jul 22 03:42:34 first precentral app in july or so Jul 22 03:42:36 css Jul 22 03:42:41 So its a steep learning curve right now Jul 22 03:42:44 Anivrom: that's my shtick Jul 22 03:43:16 EmmettLollis: !!! Jul 22 03:43:35 Anivrom: if you don't have it already, get the book JavaScript: The Good Parts by Douglas Crockford Jul 22 03:43:35 sugardave: you where probably one of the first 100 developers Jul 22 03:43:52 sugardave: I'll look into it Jul 22 03:44:03 not sure, my first app is like #337 or something Jul 22 03:44:04 I got practical palm webos projects or w/e Jul 22 03:44:07 good ref book Jul 22 03:44:22 Anivrom: haven't looked at that one yet, though I should support fzammetti :D Jul 22 03:44:31 althout written in the early stages of mojo Jul 22 03:45:07 at somne points he actually has to look at the mojo.js to find the usage and undocumented features Jul 22 03:45:13 heh Jul 22 03:45:15 fun times Jul 22 03:45:21 although one could argue we are still at that point. :P Jul 22 03:45:32 the real fun was writing code with no sdk :D Jul 22 03:45:42 if im an expert level css/html hacker and intermediate JS programmer how much of a leep is it to a webOS app ? Jul 22 03:45:45 wipk ftw? Jul 22 03:45:53 my first app was in august of last year Jul 22 03:45:53 techrush: piece of cake Jul 22 03:46:20 cool Jul 22 03:46:21 techrush: i.e. like a skip Jul 22 03:46:25 if "
" how would i have "event.target.id" capture the "id" ?? Jul 22 03:46:49 if "
" is tapped Jul 22 03:46:55 LoneStar99: it should already have it Jul 22 03:47:02 you'd access it in the tap handler Jul 22 03:47:22 might be event.currentTarget.id...depends on how things are layed out Jul 22 03:47:34 ok let me test the code Jul 22 03:50:46 I just heard a guy on tv say the word "putty" (like wood putty) as "put ee" Jul 22 03:50:50 Why does ares/mojo get confused with the capatilization of assistants when you try and push a scene... it seems I never know to capitalize the first letter or not Jul 22 03:51:40 sugardave: what channel was that? Jul 22 03:52:02 Anivrom: so, whatever you name the scene (as evidenced by its view html name), that's what you use for push/swap Jul 22 03:52:16 LoneStar99: um, diy network, not sure what show it is...my wife has it on Jul 22 03:53:06 Anivrom: I usually name all my scenes lowercase and with dashes if necessary...Mojo will camelcase the assistant regardless Jul 22 03:53:50 well.... ares sets up my assistants automatically and you can't rename a file without downloading it renaming it deleting the online file and reuploading... from what I can tell anywyas Jul 22 03:53:56 so its too much hassle. Jul 22 03:54:10 well, Ares should have the scene names somewhere? Jul 22 03:54:17 it does. Jul 22 03:54:46 more than likely you could re-create all the scenes as lowercase and just copy and paste the existing assistants Jul 22 03:54:56 unless you've done some really weird stuff with the names Jul 22 03:55:22 meh I'll just figure out with cases work for which scenes and stick with it Jul 22 03:55:29 I only have to add a scene call once maybe twice Jul 22 03:55:38 for a particular scene Jul 22 03:55:52 First apps are expected to be rough around the edges :P Jul 22 03:56:10 is there a way to setup a widget to listen for a random div id? Jul 22 03:56:14 "Does it work?" "Technically." "Ship it!" Jul 22 03:56:29 hehe sounds like a microsoft exec Jul 22 03:56:35 LoneStar99: what do you mean? Jul 22 03:56:41 Anivrom: lol Jul 22 03:56:51 like pick a div at random and attach a listener to it? Jul 22 03:57:12 or set up a listener for a div after it's been created? Jul 22 03:57:29 well, I guess they are all like that... Jul 22 03:57:48 when a random div with a unique id is tapped -- so the listener would have to listen for that unique id Jul 22 03:58:23 how does this div get created? Jul 22 03:59:00 the answer is that you can attach a listener on any div you want :D Jul 22 03:59:06 you just need to get at it somehow Jul 22 03:59:56 a random person signs into the app, and if div of random person is kicked need to pick it up some how Jul 22 04:00:15 kicked = tapped Jul 22 04:01:42 what is creating the id? Jul 22 04:04:17 sugardave: http://urloid.com/BOB/status/ Jul 22 04:05:36 an ajax request retreives the above link every 10 seconds Jul 22 04:05:47 so the list always changes Jul 22 04:06:25 LoneStar99: so, you control the output? note that it is syntactically bad JSON :D, that trailing comma before the array closes has got to go Jul 22 04:06:38 Interesting to breakpoint your app inside a click event and look at the dom structure of the object 'event'. so many variables in there, gives you a good idea of what your options are Jul 22 04:06:43 okay, so you are scraping this url and building a div from the info Jul 22 04:06:46 tap event Jul 22 04:06:50 you have the id at that time Jul 22 04:06:56 so set up the listener there Jul 22 04:07:23 Anivrom: that's the one thing I miss out on by not using Ares, the kick-ass debugging Jul 22 04:07:23 that's the one thing I miss out on by not using Ares, the kick ass-debugging Jul 22 04:07:35 my stone-agg tools do the trick for me, though :D Jul 22 04:07:35 Yea it's pretty sweet Jul 22 04:07:44 Just type in a variable and it will show the DOM tree for it Jul 22 04:07:51 dekan: wtf? Jul 22 04:07:51 I don't know Jul 22 04:07:55 lool Jul 22 04:08:12 sugardave: yeah the trailing comma is bad syntax, but for some reason it works =) Jul 22 04:10:06 If a user changes the order of my list, will I need to do some fancy code to reorder any information in it or is that handled by mojo? Jul 22 04:10:07 it works meaning webos read the json feed fine Jul 22 04:11:31 Anivrom: you mean the underlying model.items array? Jul 22 04:11:48 idk. I guess so Jul 22 04:12:07 well, what do you think you need to handle? Jul 22 04:12:16 Not a bloody clue sir! Jul 22 04:12:16 sugardave: so if 20 peeps are online build 20 listeners? Jul 22 04:12:20 oh nvm Jul 22 04:12:22 :P Jul 22 04:12:31 you could just let them reorder it and not care :D Jul 22 04:12:37 I'm gonna Jul 22 04:12:49 But I don't know how that will affect my arrays and such but I guess I'll find out Jul 22 04:13:11 I think you'd set up a listener for listReorder and re-order the array yourself Jul 22 04:13:18 ew Jul 22 04:13:55 (I only have one test app that uses reorder, and it always gets the first list from Ajax...when user re-orders, a new Ajax to send that order to the backend) Jul 22 04:14:04 it's always accurate and I don't do anything Jul 22 04:14:18 Ajax = foreign language to me Jul 22 04:14:31 havent gotten to teh "cloud" part of my game yet Jul 22 04:14:50 sugardave: i have the same list setup Jul 22 04:15:04 LoneStar99: yeah, I guess so...there might be a way to do it without spawning a bunch of listeners Jul 22 04:15:43 Anivrom: in my case it is useful to use it, but you don't need it...if haeffb is listening, he can elucidate on what you have to do when reordering lists Jul 22 04:15:44 create a div overtop and put 1 listener on that with a ton of switch/case statements lol Jul 22 04:15:56 Anivrom: not bad Jul 22 04:15:58 sugardave: yeah will work on it forsure Jul 22 04:16:22 there are multiple targets in the event object Jul 22 04:16:30 That's basically the only option when working in canvas if you want any events on teh stuff you've drawn Jul 22 04:16:33 Anivrom: like a 1,000 switch/ case Jul 22 04:16:40 LOL Jul 22 04:16:45 nah Jul 22 04:16:50 you can't fit 1000 names on the screen Jul 22 04:17:22 make some vars to use for case statements, update vars when the list scrolls, only have the shown ones, etc. Jul 22 04:17:43 oh snap Jul 22 04:18:01 you'd have to be able to write generic code that ran against all of them, but sounds like that's what you're doing anyway Jul 22 04:18:09 Yea Jul 22 04:18:16 I thinkt hat would be the best bet anywyas Jul 22 04:18:19 hell, you could just use default Jul 22 04:18:44 duh, you don't need a switch at all Jul 22 04:19:00 just pass the id to another function that does what you want (or write it in the tap handler) Jul 22 04:19:59 sugardave: event.item is how I access my custom vars for each list item correct? Jul 22 04:20:09 it should be Jul 22 04:20:09 event.item.name etc Jul 22 04:20:12 ok Jul 22 04:20:43 Just gonna create a new var that holds the array index at the time of adding to list so I can have a pointer no matter how much the list gets reordered Jul 22 04:22:14 what if they add more than one thing? Jul 22 04:22:45 ? thats fine each time they add it will assign a unique arrayIndex to the object I'm passing into that added list item Jul 22 04:22:49 As per the item model Jul 22 04:22:57 name, imageurl, arrayIndex Jul 22 04:22:59 sugardave: have the following in "setup()" which works on semi-random div ids http://pastebin.com/cFVzW8N8 Jul 22 04:23:07 ah, item property, gotcha Jul 22 04:25:28 LoneStar99: yeah, similar to that...but what Anivrom suggests is a div that covers the list, so you actually only listen for that tap...then you can get the underlying target's id and pass that off to whatever or use it in the listener Jul 22 04:25:45 oh but wait Jul 22 04:26:18 not sure if you can do it with a list, that might keep it from scrolling properly Jul 22 04:26:26 you'd have to test it out Jul 22 04:26:42 can't you stop the propogation if it's a flick motion or drag? Jul 22 04:26:50 oh, you can just listen on the list Jul 22 04:26:53 duh Jul 22 04:26:59 lol Jul 22 04:27:12 sugardave and Anivrom: ok thanks Jul 22 04:27:14 for listTap Jul 22 04:28:44 dangit how do I stop an item model #{} var from showing up? Jul 22 04:29:05 can I put it outside teh div? Jul 22 04:29:08 take it out of the html template Jul 22 04:29:34 um Jul 22 04:30:40 Hey does anyone know where I can get the sourcecode to an ares app that stays only in the vertical position? Jul 22 04:30:41 you mean in your list, right?> Jul 22 04:30:46 Trying to learn .js but need some assistance from analyzing actual code Jul 22 04:30:49 ok so I don't have to have a #{} equivalent in the items html model? Jul 22 04:30:50 yea in my list Jul 22 04:31:08 category = {name: tempName, arrayIndex: i,imageurl: "images/icons/" + game.shopItems.decorations[i].name + "icon.png"}; Jul 22 04:31:08 Jul 22 04:31:11 no, you pick and choose which of those properties you want to display Jul 22 04:31:15 Ah Jul 22 04:31:19 So that snippet is valid? Jul 22 04:31:29 I can access it through event.item.arrayIndex Jul 22 04:31:52 I'm going to say "yes" Jul 22 04:31:58 :P testing Jul 22 04:32:32 Somebody: you can set an app to not rotate Jul 22 04:33:06 Somebody: in stage assistant setup function Jul 22 04:33:07 this.controller.setWindowOrientation("left"); Jul 22 04:33:10 or up or down or right Jul 22 04:33:16 ah thanks Jul 22 04:33:41 i saw it was set to free but didn't know what to put Jul 22 04:34:23 mysterious name. Jul 22 04:34:59 yea just a temp Jul 22 04:35:14 trying to develope my first program Jul 22 04:35:19 me too Jul 22 04:36:20 but I have about 0.000000001 programing experience Jul 22 04:37:25 oh. that makes it really difficult Jul 22 04:37:41 yea Jul 22 04:37:41 I'd say you have a couple weeks of intense studying then Jul 22 04:38:01 you know web stuff? Jul 22 04:38:05 html / css? Jul 22 04:38:11 sorta Jul 22 04:38:14 yikes lol Jul 22 04:38:23 you'll be fine Jul 22 04:38:26 I sense you will be visiting us more often then Jul 22 04:39:23 sweet got the basic shop purchasing code down. Jul 22 04:39:42 Anivrom: are you doing in-application payments? Jul 22 04:39:43 Tap an item in the shop and it gets added to your inventory which is displayed correctly in another list on the inventory page Jul 22 04:39:49 Hmm? Jul 22 04:40:16 is this in-game currency for purchasing, or are you letting users purchase things with real money? Jul 22 04:40:23 nah ingame Jul 22 04:40:26 ah Jul 22 04:40:27 okay Jul 22 04:40:28 I don't like cash shop stuff Jul 22 04:41:04 I've played my fair share of mmo's and that's always an area that bothers me since I'm cheap :P Jul 22 04:41:08 I want to spend some time playing with app purchase integration...but, I need more time Jul 22 04:41:10 or 'smart' Jul 22 04:41:32 I'm more interested in the functionality, regardless of app type :D Jul 22 04:41:46 it's all about libraries, man Jul 22 04:41:51 libraries kick ass Jul 22 04:42:05 lost at libraries Jul 22 04:42:50 Why doesn't it show a down style when I tap my list? Jul 22 04:42:55 I guess that's what you call it...when you have some .js file you just include in your sources.json and the objects/methods in there perform some tasks related to something....like I have my "debug" library Jul 22 04:43:11 ah.. like cupcakes and bakeries and such Jul 22 04:43:15 right Jul 22 04:43:29 yea those do rock. less I have to do the happier I am Jul 22 04:43:41 Plus their code is prolly better than I could write it anyways Jul 22 04:43:43 I've got some custom ones I use for databases, ajax, etc. Jul 22 04:43:50 roll your own Jul 22 04:44:03 you get a big enough toolbox eventually Jul 22 04:45:21 is it considered bad form to put 90% of my code inside my game.js? :P it's bloated with all kinds of functions and such but I don't wanna split them up into different js's since they mostly relate to the workings of the "game" part Jul 22 04:45:43 "Does it work?" "Technically." "Ship it!" Jul 22 04:45:55 rofl Jul 22 04:46:09 sugardave, you sound like my boss :) Jul 22 04:46:14 heh Jul 22 04:46:19 wait my bosses name is dave Jul 22 04:46:19 jugy Jul 22 04:46:22 gttdhkugo; Jul 22 04:46:22 is that you!?!?! Jul 22 04:46:23 "k,kj.hgkuy Jul 22 04:46:27 :P Jul 22 04:46:42 no, I'm nobody's boss...it's pretty sad Jul 22 04:46:47 if it does not produce a blue screen ship Jul 22 04:46:51 it Jul 22 04:47:28 LoneStar99: if it doesn't produce a bsod in teh extensive 30 minutes of testing Q.A did the night before launch... ship it. Jul 22 04:47:39 who the hell is killinitapps.... Jul 22 04:47:47 yeah lol Jul 22 04:47:50 I don't know, but I have cloudhopper Jul 22 04:47:53 it's pretty neat Jul 22 04:48:00 Anivrom: that is called "Vista" Jul 22 04:48:17 vista/me Jul 22 04:48:23 Roy wanted me to look at it for some reason....oauth probably Jul 22 04:48:38 halfhalo: why? Jul 22 04:48:51 they be following me on twitter Jul 22 04:48:55 ah Jul 22 04:48:58 no clue Jul 22 04:49:55 It's a good thing I suck at html/css or I would be able to make this list look remotely visually appealilng Jul 22 04:49:59 appealing too Jul 22 04:50:44 oh mac in a file dialog how do i make it so i can type in a path that i want to access? Jul 22 04:50:48 er on a mac Jul 22 04:51:00 a what? Jul 22 04:51:07 like a open file dialog Jul 22 04:51:20 whats the magic keys to let me type in a path Jul 22 04:51:39 dekan: what is a mac? Jul 22 04:51:39 Okay, sugardave. Jul 22 04:51:43 doh Jul 22 04:51:47 dekan forget what Jul 22 04:51:53 dekan: forget what Jul 22 04:51:53 I do not know. Jul 22 04:51:58 oh noes Jul 22 04:52:21 i got it Jul 22 04:52:24 dawm|laptop: seriously, I have no idea Jul 22 04:52:26 oh good Jul 22 04:52:32 search box kept grabbing focus Jul 22 04:52:47 you just start typing the path and it gives you a new dialog ;p Jul 22 04:52:56 that is if you dont have the search box focusd Jul 22 04:53:22 how do you give the list a down tap style? it doesn't change and gives no user feedback that they actually registered a tap event Jul 22 04:53:34 Just transparent the whole time. Jul 22 04:53:37 really? that seems wrong Jul 22 04:53:46 anvirom Jul 22 04:53:48 give it .selected Jul 22 04:54:03 oh for interaction Jul 22 04:54:17 x-mojo-interaction= something Jul 22 04:54:27 goes in the list item or something Jul 22 04:54:31 oh wait Jul 22 04:54:31 * Anivrom runs from mojo Jul 22 04:54:33 yeah Jul 22 04:54:49 x-mojo-tap=highlight or something like that Jul 22 04:56:24 Anivrom: that goes in the attributes for the div element:
Jul 22 04:56:27 actually Jul 22 04:56:41 inside the item template? Jul 22 04:57:09 yeah, put that x-mojo thing in the top level div (the one that represents the whole row) Jul 22 04:58:09
Jul 22 04:58:16 do I need ;'s or ,'s? Jul 22 04:58:19 nope Jul 22 04:58:22 ok Jul 22 05:00:23 wonder why my elements go all wonky and drop 30 pixels when it shows the highlight style Jul 22 05:01:05 it's possible that I steered you wrong with which div to put it on Jul 22 05:01:15 no it works. Jul 22 05:01:27 technically Jul 22 05:01:28 Just my img div moves 30 pixels down Jul 22 05:01:52 pastebin your html template Jul 22 05:02:27 http://pastebin.com/9xnTRATr Jul 22 05:03:03 what the heck is a span good for in a list template.. Jul 22 05:07:57 Anivrom: not sure why it's doing that...I will have to look into those palm-row-format classes, though Jul 22 05:08:19 span is good to style some text differently than other in the same div Jul 22 05:08:35 http://pastebin.com/AGvYSVBf Jul 22 05:09:10 oh Jul 22 05:09:17 you overrode the row height, I bet Jul 22 05:09:21 Yea I did Jul 22 05:09:30 if you let it go back to normal, does the highlight work properly? Jul 22 05:10:08 let me see. the lists were too short though Jul 22 05:10:13 height wise Jul 22 05:10:35 well, it can be fixed, I think...just wanted to make sure it worked otherwise Jul 22 05:10:42 doesn't work Jul 22 05:10:46 hmmm Jul 22 05:10:52 still get shifted elements Jul 22 05:11:24 you got me on that one Jul 22 05:12:33 no wai Jul 22 05:45:02 hmm Jul 22 05:45:12 whats a good way to cancel the tap event after the hold event? Jul 22 05:45:18 oh wait Jul 22 05:45:20 just got it Jul 22 05:45:22 DURR! Jul 22 06:04:04 hmm Jul 22 06:04:10 hold -> shake Jul 22 06:04:18 it ends Jul 22 06:04:27 can't do hold -> shake -> holdEnd Jul 22 06:04:40 holdEnd dies at shake Jul 22 06:23:05 alright folks chat tomara! Happing WebOSing! Jul 22 06:23:13 I will Jul 22 06:23:14 I promise Jul 22 06:23:19 and I'll write you a letter about it Jul 22 06:24:34 Cannot read property '_mojoController' of object Jul 22 06:24:41 Anyone experienced this error? Jul 22 06:28:10 Linux has changed a lot in the last ten years Jul 22 06:29:18 indeed Jul 22 06:29:32 i haven't compiled my own kernel in years Jul 22 06:29:37 it's... nice Jul 22 06:29:52 i used to like optimizing and compiling my own kernels Jul 22 06:29:59 over that! Jul 22 06:32:50 lol... seriously... that doesn't sound like any fun at all! Jul 22 06:33:03 Good morning Jul 22 06:33:03 good morning hotdp Jul 22 06:35:18 good morning (I guess... it's past midnight here, that's morning...) Jul 22 06:39:21 it's past 2AM HERE :D Jul 22 06:39:27 2:39 here. Jul 22 06:39:36 get up for work at 6:30 Jul 22 06:39:37 good thing I've got this GIANT BAG OF COCAINE to keep me going Jul 22 06:39:41 :) Jul 22 06:39:53 I program through the night Jul 22 06:39:56 my secret? Jul 22 06:39:58 cocaine! Jul 22 06:40:07 I'm only kidding don't get upset! Jul 22 06:40:21 var tutDialog = Mojo.controller.showDialog({ Jul 22 06:40:21 template : "newTut/newTut-scene", assistant : new newTutAssistant(this), Jul 22 06:40:21 preventCancel : true Jul 22 06:40:21 }); Jul 22 06:40:36 wonder why that line throws Cannot call method 'showDialog' of object (app/assistants/main-assistant.js:136) Jul 22 06:41:19 power is starting to blink Jul 22 06:41:19 lots of noise outside Jul 22 06:41:24 I am getting worried Jul 22 06:41:24 2:41 am Jul 22 06:49:22 the worst of all possible things has happend Jul 22 06:49:25 not doing what I wanted Jul 22 06:49:30 not throwing errors Jul 22 06:50:54 going back to my city soon! thank you WebOS Jul 22 06:51:20 and you developers! Jul 22 06:51:36 and chuqui! Jul 22 06:52:03 your city? Jul 22 06:52:14 san diego Jul 22 06:52:30 ok but why thank webos and devs? Jul 22 06:52:31 my real name is diego Jul 22 06:53:02 payment for app sales! Jul 22 06:53:21 ah nice Jul 22 06:53:38 anivrom: you figure out why showDialog wasn't working? Jul 22 06:53:53 been a very rough 1.5 years need to go back to SD, to make it better Jul 22 06:53:55 no Jul 22 06:53:56 :( Jul 22 06:54:11 try this.controller.showDialog Jul 22 06:54:14 need = going Jul 22 06:54:44 (not sure where you're calling it from... if it's a callback it may not work if it's not using .bind(this)) Jul 22 06:55:13 it was working before but I commented it out for a while, now I uncomment it and it breaks Jul 22 06:55:26 is it a callback function? Jul 22 06:55:41 I'm calling it from my mainassistant in a tap event on an image widget Jul 22 06:56:05 when you setup the listener, do you use .bind(this) for that function? Jul 22 06:56:22 I don't setup the listener. Ares does Jul 22 06:56:29 aaah Jul 22 06:56:32 Ares Jul 22 06:56:36 Like I said it was working fine. Jul 22 06:57:36 LoneStar99, so you are moving? Jul 22 06:58:11 * hotdp wonder when he will get paid by Palm. Released the app in May? Jul 22 06:58:21 hotdp: yeah after a year and a few months going back to San Diego Jul 22 06:58:43 lived in SD for about 8 years Jul 22 06:58:49 where do you live now? Jul 22 06:59:07 texas Jul 22 06:59:26 bit of a change in scenery lol Jul 22 07:00:19 yeah, ready to ride my beach cruiser on the boardwalk Jul 22 07:00:50 and jump into the Pacific Ocean even if it is 50 degrees Jul 22 07:01:01 hehe Jul 22 07:02:21 will be good Jul 22 07:02:53 Do you have work in sd? Jul 22 07:03:00 nope Jul 22 07:03:11 Anivrom: try capitalizing controller? ( Mojo.Controller.showDialog(...) )? Jul 22 07:04:10 hotdp: working on that Jul 22 07:04:15 appamajig: nope Jul 22 07:06:32 hotdp: you working on your app now? Jul 22 07:06:32 dool Jul 22 07:06:40 cool Jul 22 07:07:07 No i have to start on a new app but need som egood ideers. So don't know if i will update the ones i got. Jul 22 07:07:28 The weather have been really good in Denmark, so i have not been inside much :s Jul 22 07:07:44 outside? Jul 22 07:07:48 :) Jul 22 07:07:54 good weather is awesome! Jul 22 07:08:38 Anivrom: well... a sure-fire thing you could do is define a global variable (I use CONTROLLER all caps so I know it's global). Then first thing in the myScene.prototype.setup function do a CONTROLLER = this.controller then call it with CONTROLLER.showDialog(...) Jul 22 07:09:08 ill try that Jul 22 07:09:18 you would want to use var CONTROLLER; at the very top of the file, before any functions are defined at all (very first line) Jul 22 07:09:51 :P I know how to declare globals Jul 22 07:10:11 lol, okies Jul 22 07:11:10 I helped a guy, and told him to define a function, like function myFun() {} and he put it in his setup prototype, and it took us 30 minutes to get it all sorted out, so now I cross my t's and dot my i's :P Jul 22 07:11:45 appreciate the thoroughness Jul 22 07:12:21 Mind you it doesn't work either way Jul 22 07:12:31 I'm just gonna convert it to a straight scene Jul 22 07:12:35 that doesn't work? Jul 22 07:12:40 I'm surprised Jul 22 07:12:42 Idk why I even made it into a dialog. Jul 22 07:12:44 ok, good luck lol Jul 22 07:12:47 hotdp: what is the city in denmark you are in? Jul 22 07:15:16 alright folks time to hit the hay in these parts - chat later! Jul 22 07:15:49 cya Jul 22 07:17:43 there. converted. Jul 22 07:17:50 bloody dialogs. Jul 22 07:18:53 wow Jul 22 07:19:07 Mojo.controller. is broken. not working here either lol Jul 22 07:19:14 MAybe I should try Ares.controller Jul 22 07:19:49 hmmm, that might work Jul 22 07:20:00 who wants to help me name something? I want something that shortens to EOM, its an app that stops system logging Jul 22 07:20:02 nope lol Jul 22 07:20:06 let me know if it does, please, just so I know what fixed it Jul 22 07:20:23 did you try Mojo.Controller? Jul 22 07:20:32 yes Jul 22 07:20:34 that's the way I see it referred to in all the api docs Jul 22 07:20:36 ah, ok Jul 22 07:20:40 hmmm, weird one Jul 22 07:20:49 jhojho: why EOM? Jul 22 07:21:05 EOM usually means end of messages Jul 22 07:21:10 ah, ok Jul 22 07:21:16 duh, I see it now :P Jul 22 07:21:18 I think I just came up with one. End Overlord Monitoring. Jul 22 07:21:33 LoneStar99, that was fast ;) Jul 22 07:21:35 This whole scene worked just fine a few days back when I was setting it up then I commented it out cause it was setup and now I uncomment it and it breaks... and Mojo.controller is broken too for some reason Jul 22 07:21:46 can't go to sleep Jul 22 07:21:47 oh.. Jul 22 07:21:53 Mojo.Controller works. Jul 22 07:22:07 Wonder why it never worked on my mainassistant to push this scene in the first place Jul 22 07:22:50 "About 30 bottles of 220-year-old champagne have been discovered at the bottom of the Baltic sea" Jul 22 07:23:23 100k each im sure Jul 22 07:23:31 http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/07/100719_champagne_nh_sl.shtml Jul 22 07:23:34 yeah forsure Jul 22 07:24:13 Ugh I should go to sleep Jul 22 07:24:32 Anivrom: same here, will try in the next 20 minute Jul 22 07:24:34 s Jul 22 07:24:51 Goodnight guys, gonna grind some more code tomorrow. can't wait Jul 22 07:24:56 I love seeing an app take shape Jul 22 07:25:06 laters Anivrom Jul 22 07:25:20 cya Jul 22 07:26:39 lol, Mojo.Controller the whole time :P Jul 22 08:11:02 how do I get a drop down list in my header? Jul 22 08:12:48 have you seen the style matters app? Jul 22 08:14:00 er, styles matter :P Jul 22 08:14:33 you got it right the first time Jul 22 08:15:22 they say it a couple of different ways, depending on where you see it... on the developer.palm.com site it always says styles matters, the app says style matters... it's always retarded :) Jul 22 08:15:47 anyways, the solution to adding the drop down in your header is probably in there somewhere Jul 22 08:16:48 yeah, I have been looking. no luck yet. :( Jul 22 08:29:08 figure that out yet? Jul 22 08:29:25 I got distracted... ubuntu has a lot of stuff Jul 22 08:30:04 dohtem: are you using Ares? Jul 22 08:30:24 nah Jul 22 08:30:33 oh good! Jul 22 08:30:39 I'm so sick of Ares problems :P Jul 22 08:30:51 looking through the code for the calendar app Jul 22 08:32:11 I"m gonna do a little research, but I think you can do like they have in the styleMatters sample and just include the widget where the text would be... Jul 22 08:54:07 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 22 08:56:17 * appamajig is back. Jul 22 09:06:27 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 22 09:21:47 * appamajig is back. Jul 22 09:34:58 dohtem: sorry bro... got sidetracked again, you still need help with that? Jul 22 09:35:10 oh... I'm talking to my self... nevermind, me! Jul 22 09:35:23 still working on it. Im going to bed now tho Jul 22 09:35:26 but thanks Jul 22 09:36:07 oh lol I'm NOT talking to myself :) Jul 22 09:39:34 Do someone know how many hours there is to 3pm MT ? Jul 22 09:41:35 http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/mountain-time/ Jul 22 09:43:34 so http://www.fortuneconferences.com/brainstormtech/registration.html is in 11 hours? Jul 22 09:44:17 will there be any announcements there? Jul 22 09:44:44 dunno but it is free too watch so would like to :) Jul 22 09:44:54 But don't know what time in my local time Jul 22 09:50:49 morning Jul 22 09:51:21 morning :) Jul 22 09:54:51 good morning swisstomcat Jul 22 09:55:04 hey hotdp Jul 22 11:11:24 hi, i have a problem with palm zire31. when i debug with eclipse, it returns "The palm device needs to be connected before your app can be launched" why? Jul 22 11:13:10 umm Jul 22 11:13:26 the zire31 runs on palmos garnet, not webos Jul 22 11:18:46 what is "The palm device needs to be connected before your app can be launched" Jul 22 11:20:38 are you codding webos for zire31 ? :D Jul 22 11:21:37 no, i am newbiee to coding in palmos. i have zire31. And, i research how to code with java. Only this. Jul 22 11:24:05 Oki. Because this is a WebOS channel Jul 22 11:24:12 i want to begin to code with zire31. What can i do? Jul 22 11:24:21 Dunno Jul 22 11:24:23 so sorry. Jul 22 11:24:34 roger Jul 22 11:24:41 don't be sorry :) Jul 22 11:24:54 But not sure if you can find help here Jul 22 11:34:41 let me see Jul 22 11:34:43 so i've decided to become a rock star Jul 22 11:35:08 ./random Jul 22 11:35:37 eastre: http://www.accessdevnet.com/index.php/Downloads/ Jul 22 11:36:34 swisstomcat: thanks. Jul 22 11:37:07 hi swisstomcat Jul 22 11:37:30 how's your app doing? Jul 22 11:37:58 down to about 2 downloads a day Jul 22 11:38:09 92 total users Jul 22 11:39:31 i was a rockstar once .. then i decided to become a webos programmer ;) Jul 22 11:39:57 i think i have better chances of becoming a rockstar than a successful developer Jul 22 11:41:07 i need to add a feature to my app tonight then spit out a new app for end of month to see if i can get enough to get paid in 60 days Jul 22 11:43:25 you could try to be a rockstar developer Jul 22 11:43:47 i could probably get away with creating my own background music Jul 22 11:43:58 or sell that for other apps Jul 22 11:44:13 true Jul 22 11:44:32 i saw one that was charging like $50 for 30 seconds of music Jul 22 11:45:28 make your own :) Jul 22 11:45:34 1 synth Jul 22 11:45:38 and a good agrigator Jul 22 11:45:46 i use my guitar Jul 22 11:46:02 ahh :) Jul 22 11:46:06 cool Jul 22 11:46:14 i haven't recorded since 2001 but an unrequited love got me interested again Jul 22 11:46:41 when i'm not depressed anymore i'll cease my music most likely Jul 22 11:50:02 suprisingly i'm picking up on the guitar again better than i had hoped Jul 22 11:54:45 :) Jul 22 11:54:54 electric or acustic? Jul 22 11:59:57 electric Jul 22 12:00:54 http://www.tulsarocknroll.com/mp3/rain.mp3 - from 2001.. simple melody, i'd probably do it different now Jul 22 12:02:27 then theres what i started the other day: http://www.tulsarocknroll.com/mp3/Sonic_Fuzz_mixdown.mp3 Jul 22 12:03:15 lot of reverb :D Jul 22 12:03:21 lots* Jul 22 12:03:37 yup :) Jul 22 12:03:56 reverb, echo, flange, box effect Jul 22 12:04:25 i like the old smashing pumpkin sound from siamese dream and mcis Jul 22 12:06:02 i got stuck at that point for 2 days so i spent tonight trying to learn some other songs for inspiration Jul 22 12:06:10 :) Jul 22 12:06:39 suprisingly i can almost play a couple of them.. the easier ones Jul 22 12:08:45 i like this old one.. http://www.tulsarocknroll.com/mp3/Heat_test01.mp3 Jul 22 12:09:43 if i could get past intro's i might have something, heh Jul 22 12:21:45 i've got stubby fingers too so it's a challenge at times Jul 22 12:24:58 :D Jul 22 12:27:52 which guitar? Jul 22 12:28:20 Cimar - it's a pretty good strat knock off Jul 22 12:28:36 ah k Jul 22 12:29:03 i got it in 1995 or 1996 Jul 22 12:30:18 perfect tuning all the way down the fret board Jul 22 12:30:34 nice crisp sound Jul 22 12:31:24 :) nice Jul 22 12:31:58 the pickup switch needs to be replaced, have to mess with it to keep from cutting out Jul 22 12:31:59 i play hardrock/metal, so no strat's ;) Jul 22 12:32:17 sweet Jul 22 12:33:21 i have my dads gibson from the 60s or 50s... similar to less paul Jul 22 12:33:36 wtf ... Rehab Hotline (@rehab_hotline) is now following your tweets on twitter Jul 22 12:33:51 swisstomcat: LOL Jul 22 12:33:54 lol Jul 22 12:34:05 whatever that means :) Jul 22 12:34:06 maybe they know something Jul 22 12:34:19 EmmettLollis: uuh cool, love gibson. i have a PRS; where simular look & sound Jul 22 12:34:38 all kinds of strange followers lately Jul 22 12:34:39 where=very Jul 22 12:37:40 i need to see exactaly what model it is.. i think it was a limited edition Jul 22 12:44:46 this looks a lot like it http://www.halkans.com/images7/1271burns.jpg Jul 22 12:49:26 well, the sun is up... i should probably get some sleep now.. later all Jul 22 12:56:40 later Jul 22 13:03:33 cu Jul 22 13:04:10 any idea what the name of this machine is? Jul 22 13:04:19 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/loader.jpg Jul 22 13:12:51 Ahh saw your new app :) Jul 22 13:12:57 looked much like the animal Jul 22 13:13:03 Is it a "bobcat" ? Jul 22 13:13:42 nahh its not.. don't you think it is a "loader" :P Jul 22 13:15:26 heh Jul 22 13:15:42 loader seems a bit generic Jul 22 13:16:28 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/loader_.jpg Jul 22 13:18:14 * pandora-- votes loader Jul 22 13:19:09 http://www.europe-machinery.com/img_315/loaders-other/loader.jpg Jul 22 13:19:51 if you look for loader pics, you find all kinds of loaders Jul 22 13:19:56 just not that type :) Jul 22 13:58:21 morning Jul 22 14:01:24 morning Jul 22 14:03:36 Do morning' Jul 22 14:04:21 brb, firefox 3.6.7 install Jul 22 14:06:48 bbl Jul 22 14:50:37 morning Jul 22 15:07:09 is there a way too see data usage on the phone? Jul 22 15:21:53 ahhh jeesh Jul 22 15:22:00 android 2.1 destroys webos Jul 22 15:22:05 :| Jul 22 15:22:23 palm needs to release webos2.0 and a new device thats killer fast Jul 22 15:22:32 either that or make webos2.0 not slow as hell Jul 22 15:22:55 morning all Jul 22 15:27:18 deliciousmorsel: in what way...? Jul 22 15:35:02 anyone know how iAds work? Jul 22 15:35:34 like do iphones get advertisement popping up? Jul 22 15:37:37 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_will_the_iAd_work Jul 22 15:53:12 deliciousmorsel, it is slow as hell ? Jul 22 16:02:08 chuqui: can i ask you a non-official opinion question? :) Jul 22 16:04:46 always. Jul 22 16:05:44 coke or pepsi? Jul 22 16:06:12 heh Jul 22 16:06:15 gotta be coke Jul 22 16:06:47 canon or nikon? Jul 22 16:06:59 both Jul 22 16:07:05 pepsi, nikon Jul 22 16:07:28 pepsi one. splenda sweetened. Jul 22 16:07:39 or water. or iced tea (unsweetened) Jul 22 16:07:48 wow, palm likes pepsi one! (reading more into what chuq says than in there) Jul 22 16:08:06 no, CHUQ likes pepsi one, of course... Palm doesn't give a damn what I think, mostly... Jul 22 16:08:10 (grin) Jul 22 16:08:18 and HP doesn't have a clue who I am. Yet... (grin) Jul 22 16:08:30 but i thought everything you said was about palm Jul 22 16:08:35 i am confused Jul 22 16:08:37 leica over cannon and nikon Jul 22 16:09:19 sorry, i often think i am funny, regardless of the facts Jul 22 16:09:25 don't be confused. I have a life far away from Palm, too. Jul 22 16:09:47 If you want to spend the money on Leica, it's an awesome camera system. Jul 22 16:10:10 but it really depends on what you want to do. Jul 22 16:10:21 who needs a nikon, lecia, or canon? i have a cell phone, it has lots of MPs Jul 22 16:10:24 indeed. the panasonic does the same stuff Jul 22 16:10:33 but no little red dot logo! Jul 22 16:11:19 will there be a new Palm phone before I'm eligible for an upgrade ? 11/06/10 Jul 22 16:11:22 panasonic does a set of cameras with big zooms and leica glass that are pretty damn good. My wife has used one as a secondary camera for years. (I did earlier as well. I'm 100% canon now) Jul 22 16:11:53 oops 09/01/10 Jul 22 16:12:37 guess I'm going Android... Jul 22 16:12:42 ooh tropical storm coming.. nice Jul 22 16:12:53 traitor... (heh) Jul 22 16:13:51 pentax FTW! Jul 22 16:14:05 pentax is nice. Jul 22 16:14:21 * halfhalo got a Kx with two lenses for under 500 Jul 22 16:14:23 a lot of camera talk turns into the same kind of religious fight you see in these things. Jul 22 16:14:40 what matters is if it can do what you want... Jul 22 16:14:47 dekan: kill haeffb_pre he is a trator Jul 22 16:14:47 Okay, digitalpowers. Jul 22 16:14:55 sorry, got pulled away at work... Jul 22 16:15:16 do you think we'll see the hot apps information by the end of the month? Jul 22 16:15:46 not a traitor if there's no Palm option... Jul 22 16:16:12 & use Canon Rebel XT Jul 22 16:16:33 hmmm. taking two boxes of popcorn, two things of microwave easymac, lunchables nachoes, and peanuts to work today Jul 22 16:17:06 you'll see hot apps winner stuff released really soon. Right now, the one thing it's waiting on is that one person we need involved is at OSCON. Jul 22 16:17:38 already have a Pre & a Pixi...sigh... Jul 22 16:17:38 okay, that's good to hear Jul 22 16:17:44 canon rebels are nice cameras. if you're really using an XT, you'll see an amazing improvement in your photos if you upgrade that body to a current model. Jul 22 16:18:15 i wanted to get a T1i or T2i, but haven't taken the plunge yet Jul 22 16:18:34 really? I've been thinking about a T1i Jul 22 16:18:38 I played with the EP1, and DAMN it is nice Jul 22 16:18:50 not paticularly fast, but still... Jul 22 16:18:52 almost bought a T1i when fry's was supposedly having them on sale for less than $500 Jul 22 16:18:59 but none in stock, so it didn't happen Jul 22 16:19:30 my lenses are pretty crappy tho, except for the 50mm Jul 22 16:20:14 use the 28-135 for most everything Jul 22 16:20:16 haeffb_pre: there are still lots of rumors online that there might be a new webos phone 4th quarter, ofcource they are all rumor and palm hasnt said anything but it might be worth waiting with your upgrade Jul 22 16:20:33 the T2i is a great body. Jul 22 16:20:36
What is the best way to filter a json object. In other words, I would remove items based on string Jul 22 16:20:52 which one wasn't as good in low light? Jul 22 16:20:57 was it the T1i? Jul 22 16:21:00 I bought the 7D, and I'm loving the thing. It's basically a pro camera body iwth an APS sensor Jul 22 16:21:12 ohhhh Jul 22 16:21:22 depends on how low. Right now, Nikon does better in extreme low light. Jul 22 16:21:22 depends on how low. Right now, Nikon does better in sextreme low light. Jul 22 16:21:22 I play with one at work, its nice.... Jul 22 16:21:40 dekan shut up Jul 22 16:21:46 it doesn't listen to me Jul 22 16:21:49 i'll have to think about that, then Jul 22 16:21:52 dekan: shut up Jul 22 16:21:52 Okay, halfhalo - be back in a bit! Jul 22 16:21:58 the T2i should do fine in moderate low light, as in ISO 1600-3200 Jul 22 16:22:02 oh you gotta have the :? Jul 22 16:22:02 you need the : after his name Jul 22 16:22:10 ah.. ok thanks.. Jul 22 16:22:20 * haeffb_pre not serious enuf to invest that kind of $ Jul 22 16:22:52 hence my Kx. Its amazing in low light for a budget dslr Jul 22 16:25:19 yeah. the noise improvements for low light are getting amazing. Jul 22 16:25:54 If you're DLSR body is more than a year old, upgrading probably makes a big difference. But so would upgrading to Lightroom 3. It's noise management is scary good. Jul 22 16:26:15 and it's a lot cheaper to go to Lightroom 3 than a new body. Jul 22 16:26:18 played with the beta, to cheap to get the full version right now Jul 22 16:26:32 haeffb_pre which lenses do you use? Jul 22 16:26:37 no monies due to vacation on saturday Jul 22 16:26:44 have a great vacation! Jul 22 16:27:03 oh I will. Kauai baby! Jul 22 16:27:06 I spent last week in SoCal with family, then took a couple of days off on the way back along the central coast. Jul 22 16:27:15 * halfhalo hearts socal Jul 22 16:27:28 took 1,000 images on Saturday between Santa Maria and Morro Bay. Still sorting them out. Jul 22 16:27:32 nothing like socal Jul 22 16:27:38 took about 2,000 images on that trip. Jul 22 16:27:39 mostly the 28-135 is, also 50mm and original 18-55 kit (non-is) Jul 22 16:28:06 some really nice work down in Bolsa Chica (huntington beach): http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4800632308/ Jul 22 16:29:02 looked at 55-250 is... Jul 22 16:29:08 I use mah 18-55 constantly, except for my brothers soccer games which I use my 50-200 Jul 22 16:29:10 nice detail Jul 22 16:29:17 and since is is in mah body…. :p Jul 22 16:29:30 ANYWAYS, bbiad, off to work Jul 22 16:29:30 my goto lens is the 100-400 IS. I'm trying to teach myself to use it LESS, actually. Jul 22 16:29:41 I tend to use it as a crutch, since I'm comfortable with it. Jul 22 16:30:26 my wide angle is the Tamron 28-300. It's a nice lens, good street lens, really flexible. Jul 22 16:31:00 But honestly, I keep bumping up against not having a lens that's wide enough. 28mm on an APS sensor limits me too much. Jul 22 16:31:01 maybe use hot app$ to get the T2i and a decent lens Jul 22 16:31:42 have you used the 18-55 IS kit lens? Jul 22 16:32:01 it's okay. Jul 22 16:32:22 for something almost free... Jul 22 16:32:23 take a look at the 17-40 USM if youn want something in that range. Jul 22 16:33:00 although the pros I've talked to have the 17-55 F2.8 USM IS. Jul 22 16:33:17 of course, the 17-40 is $600 and the 17-55 IS is double that... Jul 22 16:33:43 but one way to think about this: you buy a good lens, you'll keep it for a decade or longer. buy a cheap lens, and you'll buy a better lens better. Jul 22 16:34:10 the Tamron is $600 Jul 22 16:34:12 Camera bodies are good for a couple o fyears and then technology changes enough that an upgrade starts making sense. Jul 22 16:34:32 I wouldn't buy this Tamron again. it's a good lens and does what I want, but I think there are better options. Jul 22 16:35:23 Right now, I think Sigma's lenses are better built than Tamron, and so I'm tending to look at those instead. Jul 22 16:35:39 I may want to discuss if/when I get serious about a purchase... Jul 22 16:36:22 and I really like their 18-200 F3.5 DC OS. it goes wider than my Tamron. It doesn't go as long, but I think it's sharper at 200mm because it's not quite such a super zoom. Jul 22 16:36:52 haeffb feel free. Happy to talk your ear off on these things and help you figure out what makes sense. Jul 22 16:37:30 fwiw, I did a blog on some of this a few months ago: http://www.chuqui.com/2010/01/a-few-thoughts-on-lenses/ Jul 22 16:38:10 I keep lusting over the damn Sigma 10-20 lens, too, even though I really don't need it.. (grin) Jul 22 16:39:33 If money were not object (and I could hire a sherpa to carry my gear) I'd but the Canon 17-55 and the Sigma 10-20. but that's close to $2K of lenses. But those are lenses that I'll probably carry the rest of my life; nice investment glass. Jul 22 16:40:00 photonerd Jul 22 16:40:06 heh Jul 22 16:40:18 For more of a realistic budget and for a lens that ties in well with waht I currently own, I'd do the Sigma 18-200 F3.5 DC OS. Jul 22 16:41:19 you can get that for about $400, which makes it a great lens and in the right price range for someone looking at a Rebel. Jul 22 16:42:53 My current lenses: Tamron 28-300; Sigma 180 Macro; Canon 300 F4; Canon 100-400 F5.6 Jul 22 16:43:56 three of those lenses are ten year lenses; things I fully expect to own a longtime. My canon 100-400 is on its THIRD body upgrade, but the 7D will be with me five years or more before I'm ready to upgrade it. Thinking hard about a 2nd 7D to replace my 30D, when I have the money. Jul 22 16:44:25 the 60d is coming soon. That's going to be a really nice price point, FWIW. Jul 22 16:45:01 digitalpowers in case you couldn't tell, I'm just a nerd. Photos is just one thing I nerd. Jul 22 16:45:22 haha nice, your like a supernerd Jul 22 16:45:22 but I want to go pro in my photography at some point, so I put a lot of energy into it. Jul 22 16:46:23 that is cool, my wife is really into photography, i dont much have a desire or skill for it but i enjoy the fruits of it Jul 22 16:47:13 I tend to be lest of an artist and more of a craftsman, but phtoography is one area where I seem to bridge that gap Jul 22 16:48:09 yeah i definately lean twords the engineering side of things, as much as i wish i had some artistic ability Jul 22 16:49:01 although if i could choose to have artistic ability it would be drawing, i have always wished i could Jul 22 16:55:11 digitalpowers sums me up well, too. Jul 22 17:03:08 i have been considering getting a wacom tablet so i can draw better on the computer, i am forced into art when i write games but they art is always terrible Jul 22 17:09:10 digitalpowers: C has a wacom tablet at home she'd probably let you borrow Jul 22 17:11:47 one thing ot consider: learning how to use the wacom and actually do things well takes time and energy. And I don't know about you, but the one thing I ALWAYS seem to be short of is time. Jul 22 17:12:26 ya. fortunately once digitalpowers puts his mind to something he dedicates _all_ of his time to doing it Jul 22 17:12:29 so I'd suggest thinking about whether it makes sense to find and work out a relationship with a good graphic designer and put some dollars into having graphics created -- instead of putting time into learning how to be a decent graphic designer. Jul 22 17:12:51 he also takes pride in being better than everyone ;) Jul 22 17:12:53 because that's time you cant spend on other things, whether it's writing new apps or marketing (or sleeping or having a life) Jul 22 17:12:56 maik: i might just try to convince her Jul 22 17:14:05 chuqui: i totally plan on finding a good graphics designer and paying them in the future but i actually have to make some money on some games first so i can afford one. game development is a hobby for me so i dont want to put a bunch of money into it that it doesnt produce itself Jul 22 17:14:46 maik: i put all my effort into it until i have figured out the basic logistics of it, then i drop it like it is a bit to warm for me to hold Jul 22 17:15:17 maik: and i dont think i am better than everyone Jul 22 17:15:19 just you :P Jul 22 17:17:43 digitalpowers yeah, fully understand. bootstrapping and sweat equity changes the equation. But we tend to forget the one resource we can't buy more of is hours in a day... Jul 22 17:17:54 that was a damn ahrd lesson for me to learn.... Jul 22 17:18:21 yet Jul 22 17:19:03 but i definately understand the value of an hour, if it wernt a hobby and a great source of pleasure i probably would write games, i am not that good at it :) Jul 22 17:41:20 ... Jul 22 17:46:17 ... Jul 22 17:46:24 .... Jul 22 17:49:51 .{5} Jul 22 17:50:34 0..6.each do |i| puts i end Jul 22 17:51:32 char dot[7];for(int i=0;i<7;i++) { strcpy(".",dot"); } Jul 22 17:51:54 bah syntax error in there Jul 22 17:52:03 and strcat Jul 22 17:52:11 nm that was a bad example Jul 22 17:52:23 char dot[7];for(int i=0;i<7;i++) { strcat(".",dot); } Jul 22 17:53:29 digitalpowers, would you like help me to vote for a web app that I've built? =) Jul 22 17:53:56 Nyceane: i am not opposed, whats the deal Jul 22 17:56:41 total: .BLOCK 8; count: .BLOCK 0; startl: LDa count; CPa total; BRGE end; print: DECO count; ADDr count; STa count; BR startl; end: .STOP; Jul 22 17:57:18 asm FTW Jul 22 17:57:55 * digitalpowers bows Jul 22 18:07:45 digitalpowers, http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars Jul 22 18:07:54 can you cast a vote for the application? =-| Jul 22 18:08:04 I'll register an account for you if you need Jul 22 19:05:26 hi Jul 22 19:05:31 how can i get user ip address? Jul 22 19:10:33 there is no way? Jul 22 19:10:46 service request Jul 22 19:11:08 to connection manager Jul 22 19:11:17 should return all kinds of information about the connection state Jul 22 19:11:21 for wifi, bt, etc. Jul 22 19:11:51 yes Jul 22 19:12:04 but ipAddress of the wifi connection is not the same as the public ip Jul 22 19:12:20 yep Jul 22 19:12:41 i want the public ip, but did't want to make one more http request Jul 22 19:12:54 answer: make another http request Jul 22 19:13:01 ;( Jul 22 19:13:20 think about it...how are you going to get the router to tell you its IP? :D Jul 22 19:14:34 ok, thanks.. but if pre os know what's the public it could expose in the connection manager Jul 22 19:14:56 it might be buried in there somewhere in the generic "Internet connection" stuff Jul 22 19:15:10 it's been awhile since I looked...I think I had to go the extra request route Jul 22 19:20:00 Nyceane: i voted Jul 22 19:21:25 no you di'n't Jul 22 19:21:32 thanks a lot digitalpowers Jul 22 19:22:00 it really means a lot to me, really appreciated Jul 22 19:31:23 rehi Jul 22 19:31:42 appamajig! Jul 22 19:31:55 is he only here after midnight? :( Jul 22 19:37:58 hrm Jul 22 19:38:18 whats the best way to advertise your app? i need more downloads ;( Jul 22 19:38:55 have it reviewed Jul 22 19:39:00 by webosroundup/precentral Jul 22 19:39:16 sounds like a plan Jul 22 19:42:57 use twitter and spam palm employees Jul 22 19:45:11 discombobulate: how many downloads do you have so far ? Jul 22 19:45:28 hi warpdesign Jul 22 19:47:47 rehi swisstomcat Jul 22 19:48:18 like 40 Jul 22 19:48:56 4600 on the free one Jul 22 19:49:01 discombobulate: which app is it? Jul 22 19:49:19 hurricane tracking app called 'track-it' Jul 22 19:49:33 and 'track-it deluxe' because deluxe always means it's worth an extra buck Jul 22 19:52:45 my new app tuts+ is out of beta ... http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.tutsplus Jul 22 19:55:12 speaking of which, I hope the Tuts folks put some webOS stuff on mobile.tutsplus.com soon Jul 22 19:55:20 swisstomcat: do you work with them? Jul 22 19:55:42 no, i'm not affiliated with them Jul 22 19:55:45 but they're ok with my app Jul 22 19:55:58 dohtem: agree about the webos stuff Jul 22 19:56:11 maybe i should do a writeup on the tuts+ app Jul 22 19:57:55 thanks for following :) my main twitter account is @twtomcat Jul 22 19:58:05 lies Jul 22 19:58:22 haha... will do Jul 22 19:59:23 you really are swiss! Jul 22 19:59:31 sure :) Jul 22 19:59:36 discombobulate: for how long ? (4600 downloads I mean) Jul 22 20:09:39 I am so tired of this flooring project....day 3 and I just now passed halfway Jul 22 20:09:54 it's less than 100 sq. ft.....insane Jul 22 20:10:03 lol Jul 22 20:10:14 DIY? Jul 22 20:10:17 yep Jul 22 20:10:31 2 90 degree turns and one who knows what angle it is turn Jul 22 20:13:54 warpdesign; a little over a month.. but it jumps when storms are around Jul 22 20:14:22 sugardave; i know how you feel.. i haven't remodeled the kitchen because i know i'd have to redo the floors Jul 22 20:15:12 ok Jul 22 20:15:21 got around 3500 for mine, in two days Jul 22 20:15:22 discombobulate: this product is generally pretty good (snap/lock laminate) if the space you have is on the "large" size...this tiny hallway is sucking, though Jul 22 20:15:27 but it's a game, so Jul 22 20:17:00 sugardave; ah yeah.. that stuff works out ok Jul 22 20:20:04 discombobulate: the other problem I'm having is the fine American quality of workmanship that went into this house...it's like the crew never learned the concept of "square" Jul 22 20:27:56 funny story Jul 22 20:28:26 i was working with a roofing square when my daughter asked me what it was.. Jul 22 20:28:33 i said "it's a square" Jul 22 20:28:43 heh Jul 22 20:28:44 she said, no it's a triangle daddy, geeze.. Jul 22 20:29:00 that is pretty funny Jul 22 20:29:45 made me laugh too.. couldnt argue with her on that one.. Jul 22 20:30:50 blah, break is over Jul 22 20:31:06 ok. back to the grind. Jul 22 20:36:12 Hi everyone, I seem to recall reading on precentral (or somewhere) that there is an ability to unlock your phone with a pattern instead of numbers. Like just dragging my finger into a shape. Jul 22 20:36:19 Is this possible or am I mistaken? Jul 22 20:36:37 that sounds new to me Jul 22 20:38:05 Maybe it was in a dream or something... haha, thanks Jul 22 20:38:22 let me see Jul 22 20:43:17 hey swisstomcat, can you do me a big favor? =) Jul 22 20:43:25 depends :) Jul 22 20:43:44 http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars Jul 22 20:43:48 can you cast me a vote =) Jul 22 20:46:01 allright Jul 22 20:46:08 thanks swisstomcat =) Jul 22 20:55:22 We are starting up...come join us for a chat about the HP/Palm presentation today! http://bit.ly/9UtsmI Jul 22 20:58:17 take your seats Jul 22 21:21:04 ooh boy Jul 22 21:21:15 lies Jul 22 21:21:19 i think i'll wait for the cliffnotes Jul 22 21:25:55 good afternoon folks Jul 22 21:26:15 afternooooooooon Jul 22 21:26:31 Howdy Jul 22 21:27:34 hallo Jul 22 21:27:55 very quiet in here Jul 22 21:28:34 dekan: haiku Jul 22 21:28:34 Ahh saw your new app :) / looked much like the animal / Is it a "bobcat" ? Jul 22 21:28:54 dekan: I will murder you Jul 22 21:28:55 Unhand me, defiler! Jul 22 21:29:01 MURDER Jul 22 21:29:19 haha, classic Jul 22 21:29:29 maik: how goes it? Jul 22 21:29:33 that response was one of like 6 or 7 "dont know" answers Jul 22 21:30:10 MMMMMMMMMURDER! Jul 22 21:30:12 digitalpowers: good. just had some lunch, fueled up on caffeine and now i'm trying to get up the motivation to go through all of this crap i set aside to go through later while i was cleaning Jul 22 21:30:24 tasty, delicious, murder Jul 22 21:31:07 nice, i am slowly being burried today, there are 10 tickets in queue, and everytime i leave and close 3 or 4 i come back to 5 or 6 new ones Jul 22 21:31:22 * halfhalo_class don't have tickets Jul 22 21:31:33 yay! - "webOS 2.0 coming later this year" Jul 22 21:31:40 link or gtfo Jul 22 21:31:59 halfhalo_class does class make you angry? Jul 22 21:32:04 no Jul 22 21:32:08 to lazy to change it to work Jul 22 21:32:36 halfhalo_class: it's from the interview at the Fortune Brainstorm thing Jul 22 21:32:40 digitalpowers: suck. have your coworkers been helping out on any of this or is it up to you to save the entire county? Jul 22 21:33:06 http://twitter.com/hpnews/status/19285121171 - more yay! Jul 22 21:33:14 maik: do you really have to ask? Jul 22 21:33:49 it was the courteous thing to do. i was also a little curious Jul 22 21:33:57 arg, rain delay Jul 22 21:34:01 it's funny, really, if you think about it Jul 22 21:34:35 maik: i find myself no laughing Jul 22 21:34:48 you keep using that word, i do not think it means what you think it means. Jul 22 21:35:07 * halfhalo_class strums air guitar Jul 22 21:35:10 sugardave: rain delay for what? Jul 22 21:35:18 What are we going to do with Flash on phones? Punch the monkey and win $10? Jul 22 21:35:21 using the table saw Jul 22 21:35:29 less than 25 sq ft to go Jul 22 21:35:38 dohtem: makes pr0n easier and more portable Jul 22 21:35:41 * sugardave shakes his fists at the clouds. Jul 22 21:35:56 sugardave: heh Jul 22 21:36:36 dohtem: (one of )my (many )point(s) exactly! Jul 22 21:36:47 night everyone Jul 22 21:37:02 inconceivable! Jul 22 21:37:02 You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Jul 22 21:37:02 night swisstomcat =) Jul 22 21:37:07 thanks for the vote =) Jul 22 21:37:08 * maik pats dekan Jul 22 21:37:08 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Jul 22 21:37:21 excelent Jul 22 21:37:24 :D Jul 22 21:37:27 dekan: ROUS Jul 22 21:37:27 I don't know anything about that. Jul 22 21:37:44 dekan: shut up Jul 22 21:37:44 Okay, pandora-- - be back in a bit! Jul 22 21:37:53 dekan: come back Jul 22 21:37:53 \o/ Jul 22 21:37:53 pandora--: you shut up Jul 22 21:38:00 dekan: shut up Jul 22 21:38:00 Okay, pandora-- - be back in a bit! Jul 22 21:38:01 no. Jul 22 21:39:44 I have my doubts that webOS 2.0 will actually release this year. Jul 22 21:40:14 i am thinking i should bring in some nice padding and put it under my desk then set myself at several places on the board and climb under there for a nap Jul 22 21:40:43 * sugardave wonders if early access program people will be in early for 2.0. Jul 22 21:40:55 like really early Jul 22 21:41:18 we are really starved for palm news Jul 22 21:41:18 * digitalpowers is really much more interested in a new phone than an update to the os Jul 22 21:41:30 even precentral now runs how-tos Jul 22 21:41:41 :( Jul 22 21:41:47 digitalpowers: screw phones, gimme some of that sweet javascript service action Jul 22 21:41:54 Tigrao: yehhhhh Jul 22 21:42:03 sugardave: i want an evo with webos on it! Jul 22 21:42:08 dunno, i might jump off the palm wagon :( Jul 22 21:42:15 heh Jul 22 21:42:17 sugardave: although i wouldnt mind microphone access from the pdk Jul 22 21:42:31 I don't understand why they can't release any real information about upcoming products. Jul 22 21:42:40 digitalpowers: that, and the mysterios Mojo.Messaging Jul 22 21:42:40 digitalpowers: and camera access Jul 22 21:42:44 mysterious Jul 22 21:42:51 Tigrao: yeah. that would definitely help the dissolving confidence in the company, no? Jul 22 21:43:01 camera access is always a touchy point, but it would be nice Jul 22 21:43:02 dohtem: in the emu? yeah Jul 22 21:43:21 pandora--: It really would. Any sort of real news at all would keep a lot of people loyal to Palm. Jul 22 21:43:44 you want news... they have a roadmap Jul 22 21:43:47 and pipeline Jul 22 21:43:49 yeah. i've gone through a few Pre's and my wife through a few Pixi's due to hardware problems. Jul 22 21:43:51 stay tuned Jul 22 21:44:02 it really is the best OS option at the moment, that is what keeps me here, if they back it with decent hardware it will be a rockstar Jul 22 21:44:04 and the people at the Sprint store said it's by far the most common phone(s) to come in for service Jul 22 21:44:15 digitalpowers: totally Jul 22 21:45:14 the OS has the best of both worlds in my opinion, easy dev via html/js, an nice snappy multitasking easy to use interface, but also c/opengl access for hard and heavy hitting Jul 22 21:45:40 yeah Jul 22 21:45:49 webOS? Jul 22 21:45:52 it is awesome Jul 22 21:45:59 i just want a slightly faster cpu and less buggy hardware Jul 22 21:46:02 dohtem, we've been staying tuned for a LONG time now Jul 22 21:46:07 I try to tell everyone I know, but they are stupid Jul 22 21:46:20 sugardave: get smarter friends & family Jul 22 21:46:32 haeffb: I know.. I was being smart :) Jul 22 21:46:36 haeffb: if only Jul 22 21:46:42 i would have switched to andriod long ago but i HATE java and i hate the way the OS operates Jul 22 21:47:08 dev is much nicer in webos. Jul 22 21:47:15 and I AM a java developer Jul 22 21:47:18 i hate java with a passion that defies reason and gravity Jul 22 21:47:21 I tried to use Android but meh... it feels the first time I installed red hat linux. Jul 22 21:47:21 ok, this is interesting: http://www.precentral.net/webos-netbook-way?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Precentralnet+%28PreCentral.net%29&utm_content=Twitter Jul 22 21:47:30 dohtem: hahhahaha Jul 22 21:49:08 do you guys think the slow start time for apps on the Pre/Pixi is file I/O or CPU? Jul 22 21:49:11 netbooks and slates are what are interesting me most Jul 22 21:49:16 or software? Jul 22 21:49:38 sugardave: yeah.. an Evo and a webos slate would be badass. Jul 22 21:50:00 indeed Jul 22 21:50:18 i wouldn't mind an Evo-form factor WebOS device Jul 22 21:50:31 * haeffb gotta have a physical keyboard Jul 22 21:50:38 okay, rain has stopped...hopefully the next time you guys see my prose, I will be done with the floor Jul 22 21:50:54 ya, i would sex it if it had a physical keyboard Jul 22 21:50:57 best of luck sugardave Jul 22 21:51:03 but i think maybe just talk dirty to it if not Jul 22 21:51:36 maik: maria got that job Jul 22 21:51:52 note to self: test your previously unused mail server before handing out your new e-mail address Jul 22 21:51:58 digitalpowers: ya, she texted me Jul 22 21:52:05 maik: talking dirty to the Evo is a bad idea, it has voice search Jul 22 21:52:08 pretty cool, looks like i get to create an account for her :) Jul 22 21:52:15 pandora--: dully noted Jul 22 21:52:26 wait Jul 22 21:52:27 duly noted Jul 22 21:52:32 ya, that one Jul 22 21:56:40 hi Jul 22 21:56:46 i'm using gps now Jul 22 21:56:49 info: {"errorCode": 0, "timestamp": 1278846332288, "latitude": 406.168777, "longitude": -51.167987, "horizAccuracy": 226, "heading": 0, "velocity": 0, "altitude": 0, "vertAccuracy": 0}, app/assistants/main-assistant.js:480 Jul 22 21:56:55 "latitude": 406.168777 Jul 22 21:57:08 :O 400??? Jul 22 21:58:25 meh? Jul 22 21:58:28 getCurrentPosition sucess but i think that latitude and/or longitude can't be more than 90 Jul 22 21:59:06 how to ensure that i've correct gps data? if i did not have I can use geoip Jul 22 21:59:07 digitalpowers: so i've come to question a lot of the stuff the previous guy did. i've found a number of cables and things with VGH price tags on them Jul 22 21:59:18 for instance, this USb -> parallel cable Jul 22 21:59:23 Price: $29.95 Jul 22 22:02:04 where do you work? Jul 22 22:02:05 maik: ouch Jul 22 22:02:30 halfhalo_class: IT for the Center for Materials Research at Washington State Universityh Jul 22 22:02:31 -h Jul 22 22:02:48 fancy title. Jul 22 22:03:01 halfhalo_class: it's the proper caps, get's 'em every time Jul 22 22:03:08 also, i'm not really sure what my title is Jul 22 22:03:18 other than "hey, IT guy!" Jul 22 22:03:24 hah Jul 22 22:03:53 maik: your title is Cheif Abandoner Jul 22 22:04:08 lets see: My title is Student Affairs Information Technology Web Developer. Student Assistant for California State University Northridge Jul 22 22:04:23 no way Jul 22 22:04:29 digitalpowers: my title is "smart motherfucker" Jul 22 22:04:33 you couldn't even fit the acronym on a business card Jul 22 22:04:33 WAI Jul 22 22:04:37 haha Jul 22 22:04:51 SAITWD.SACSUN Jul 22 22:04:54 that's ridiculous Jul 22 22:05:06 * digitalpowers cries Jul 22 22:05:14 Nah, I just use SAIT Web dev, CSUN Jul 22 22:05:16 digitalpowers: heh Jul 22 22:05:53 Or "crazy mofo" Jul 22 22:06:28 speaking of web development Jul 22 22:06:44 I should probly be doing some. but I have peanuts. and popcorn Jul 22 22:07:01 haha Jul 22 22:07:16 there are two projects i was e-mailed about today. one of which is creating a website from scratch about an upcoming conference, complete with registration site (and payments), etc. and the other is revamping and creating new pages for the center's website Jul 22 22:07:37 My title is Tier 2 Technical Support - Business Data Support and LaptopConnect Jul 22 22:07:43 very lame :P Jul 22 22:07:44 like, i signed up for IT/sysadmin stuff. i am not a web developer Jul 22 22:08:02 my dept only does webdev Jul 22 22:08:19 latitude double Number representing the location's latitude in degrees. Valid range: -90.0, 90.0. Jul 22 22:08:19 longitude double Number representing the location's longitude in degrees. Valid range: -180.0, 180.0. Jul 22 22:08:19 info: {"errorCode": 0, "timestamp": 1278846332288, "latitude": 406.168777, "longitude": -51.167987, "horizAccuracy": 226, "heading": 0, "velocity": 0, "altitude": 0, "vertAccuracy": 0}, app/assistants/main-assistant.js:481 Jul 22 22:08:43 I really wanna be Tier 3, they only communicate via chat and only with Tier 2 folks Jul 22 22:08:49 My currect project is a tours registration system.... grrrr Jul 22 22:09:37 oh, and screw ADA guidelines. I HATE THEM I HATE THEM I HATE THEM Jul 22 22:10:02 btw maik, the bios on this lappie is unresetable going to need your finger Jul 22 22:10:19 i've got a finger for you Jul 22 22:10:27 also, don't screw with it, let the new person do it Jul 22 22:10:37 I'm getting scared Jul 22 22:10:48 hehe Jul 22 22:10:50 ohhhh... maik if you make the sites you have to go through the ada crap like I do for all my stuff Jul 22 22:10:53 so long as its the finger you enrolled Jul 22 22:11:02 halfhalo_class: ah freaking hell, i didn't even think about it Jul 22 22:11:15 i sincerely hope it's a master page-style thing Jul 22 22:11:52 there is no getting around it, i would rather take care of it before he starts Jul 22 22:11:57 I got yelled at because my nav wasn't working with their screenreaders. Jul 22 22:12:48 I'm scared to find out what happens during the js test.... Jul 22 22:12:54 you cant even pull the cmos battery the security stuff is non volitle Jul 22 22:13:05 digitalpowers: that's the thing, _you_ don't need to deal with it at all Jul 22 22:13:18 digitalpowers, you and maik work together? Jul 22 22:13:28 yes but i choose to deal with it Jul 22 22:13:42 we used to until maik got a different job, he used to be my tech monkey Jul 22 22:13:51 lol Jul 22 22:14:26 I'm so glad I don't deal with people Jul 22 22:14:34 soooooo nice Jul 22 22:14:44 digitalpowers: if i had known you were going to deal with it i wouldn't have done it Jul 22 22:14:51 the whole point was to mess with scotty Jul 22 22:15:50 tsktsktsk Jul 22 22:15:53 i just wanted to check if it was get aroundable before scotty got here and didnt have a comp, if it was a matter of him getting around it i would have just left it but since i am going to have to get your finger either way (or solder a new chip to the mb) i figure we may as well deal with it now Jul 22 22:16:04 guys.. please, i did not set any gps position on this phone yet but its returning a invalide range.. how do i know when it's a valid gps location? Jul 22 22:16:15 my phone is not in a network yet Jul 22 22:16:36 dirs: no idea. never played with the gps stuff Jul 22 22:16:38 dirs: go outside Jul 22 22:16:48 digitalpowers: fine. leave it in report writing tonight Jul 22 22:16:48 dirs: not sure man sorry, i did some gps stuff but never had any trouble Jul 22 22:16:55 you reserving tonight? Jul 22 22:16:57 maik: i want to know when it fails too Jul 22 22:17:14 dirs: yes Jul 22 22:17:16 er Jul 22 22:17:17 digitalpowers: yes Jul 22 22:17:25 the following ajax request should work correct? http://pastebin.com/nyh28WzC Jul 22 22:17:26 I wonder why everyone is going the microcell route instead of UMA Jul 22 22:17:39 okies :D you know you still love me Jul 22 22:18:01 speaking of it, i keep getting emails about taking an online Network Security "IE what not to do" course Jul 22 22:18:22 The entire list of what not to do is what I do on a daily basis Jul 22 22:19:50 IE don't plug any unauthorized network equipment into the ethernet network... but then how will I plug in my switch and laptop! Jul 22 22:20:29 or the "Don't use the network for filesharing"... He. Hehe. Jul 22 22:21:42 Filesharing on a 100Mb connection is fun.... Jul 22 22:21:51 hmm, how does one report spam on the developer forums? Jul 22 22:22:04 oh, nevermind Jul 22 22:22:27 halfhalo_class: remember to download matrix trilogy in 1080p Jul 22 22:22:54 if you have not already ... Jul 22 22:22:57 you act like that hasn't already been done... Jul 22 22:22:58 lol Jul 22 22:23:30 nah, I mostly use torrents for linux stuffy Jul 22 22:24:41 Or the occasional 7 Ultimate iso when technet is being slow Jul 22 22:25:02 yeah, i do that when its slow, too Jul 22 22:25:26 Took 3 hours to download it today..... geesh Jul 22 22:26:53 can someone take a look at the following code and tell me if they spot something wrong: http://pastebin.com/nyh28WzC thanks Jul 22 22:28:31 * oilsworkn sees nothing wrong Jul 22 22:29:11 looks fine to me, too Jul 22 22:30:24 does it not work? Jul 22 22:31:36 LoneStar99: what kind of problems are you having? Jul 22 22:31:54 oilsworkn: do not get an error but not doing what it should be doing Jul 22 22:32:07 what should it be doing that its not? Jul 22 22:35:55 LoneStar99: no parameters? Jul 22 22:36:43 ugh, people, do _not_ use SDL_Delay to stop chewing CPU while your app is in card mode Jul 22 22:36:50 Please please please don't do this Jul 22 22:37:01 haha Jul 22 22:37:14 you dont get many slices in card mode, cant you just ignore it? Jul 22 22:37:33 No, apparently you can still use lots of CPU Jul 22 22:37:51 you just get lower priority (which means less slices with CFS) Jul 22 22:38:00 but if there isn't another app using the CPU you get it Jul 22 22:38:29 i didnt know that, what is your suggestion for limiting cpu usage then? Jul 22 22:38:35 SDL_WaitEvent Jul 22 22:38:45 When in card mode you do stop getting events and SDL_WaitEvent blocks Jul 22 22:38:49 ahh i didnt know there was a blocking event check Jul 22 22:39:10 thanks for the tip Amaranth Jul 22 22:39:15 You should use a timer and SDL_WaitEvent to limit framerate too Jul 22 22:39:25 Although using SDL_Delay is less of an issue there Jul 22 22:39:50 Depends on the app though, using SDL_Delay will cause some input lag Jul 22 22:40:09 is there a good way to get messages sent on a timer in sdl? Jul 22 22:40:33 currently i am just limiting my framerate manually via a time difference check Jul 22 22:40:58 oilsworkn and dotem if go to the following address on browser "http://urloid.com/BOB/out/" in device browser session is killed, but the ajax request http://pastebin.com/nyh28WzC does not kill the session Jul 22 22:41:52 * oilsworkn doesn't understand Jul 22 22:42:06 digitalpowers: No, just setup a timer to fire when you should paint again then call SDL_WaitEvent. In the timer callback generate a user event so SDL_WaitEvent will return Jul 22 22:42:26 ahh makes sense Jul 22 22:42:35 digitalpowers: Then if you get something other than a user event process it (handling user input ASAP is important) and setup the timer again using the new delay Jul 22 22:43:00 Since handling the event will use some time so you don't want to wait as long this time Jul 22 22:43:41 right that makes alot of sense, i just hadnt thought of generating an event yourself to unblock Jul 22 22:43:48 oilsworkn: i am probably just overlooking something Jul 22 22:43:51 I should make a small demo app that demonstrates the best way to setup your mainloop for limiting framerate and going idle Jul 22 22:44:35 it would definately be handy, webos has some unique requirements Jul 22 23:01:06 so Jul 22 23:01:07 does Jul 22 23:01:08 urmom! Jul 22 23:01:19 nice Jul 22 23:01:25 * maik bows Jul 22 23:02:26 * haeffb pats maik Jul 22 23:02:33 * maik purrrrrrrr Jul 22 23:45:36 i just found books on VB 5.0 and VB 6.0 Jul 22 23:45:38 and BASIC Jul 22 23:46:59 oh sorry, QBASIC Jul 22 23:48:53 hahaha vb 5 Jul 22 23:49:09 ya Jul 22 23:49:16 and holy crap... a basic mathematics book Jul 22 23:49:34 nice, hey maik do you remember the address to new world and why it was funny? Jul 22 23:49:46 yes... Jul 22 23:49:49 cause i just got another funny one from a new world employee Jul 22 23:49:53 oh do tell Jul 22 23:50:51 the trainer that is here lives in battle creek michigan and they call it the hot spot because it is right between Interstate 69 and the town of climax Jul 22 23:51:00 hahahahaha Jul 22 23:51:51 i actually had to google Climax, OR to make sure you weren't making it up Jul 22 23:51:58 i don't recommend doing it at work Jul 22 23:52:10 haha Jul 22 23:52:17 it is climax mi btw Jul 22 23:52:33 oh, well apparently there's a climax, or Jul 22 23:52:34 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=climax,+or&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Climax,+Oregon&gl=us&ei=dtlITOraDoyksQOUxoBJ&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA&z=13 Jul 22 23:52:53 at least climax, mi has some roads Jul 22 23:53:04 and a railroad it looks like Jul 22 23:53:21 apparently if you go south of the hot spot (between 69 and climax) you get to cold water Jul 22 23:54:04 kekeke Jul 22 23:54:52 oh gawd Jul 22 23:54:56 a compaq fortran book Jul 23 00:27:30 wow, I absolutely cannot get this code to limit the frame rate... Jul 23 00:30:23 nevermind... Jul 23 00:30:34 was just reading the wrong thing to measure the FPS :) Jul 23 00:52:46 how do I get my app to show up in universal search under various search terms? Jul 23 00:53:49 aha. appinfo.json "keywords" Jul 23 00:54:12 thank you, http://www.webos101.com you're my hero Jul 23 00:59:49 except it doesn't work Jul 23 01:09:23 what is up, BigBiff_pre? Jul 23 01:10:13 hey haeffb: work's kickin my butt Jul 23 01:10:49 bah...teachers...work 3 hours a day and have summers & winters off... Jul 23 01:10:56 heh Jul 23 01:11:00 :) Jul 23 01:11:23 you forgot "" Jul 23 01:11:29 "work" Jul 23 01:12:09 rightk, of course Jul 23 01:12:16 hehe Jul 23 01:12:44 hmmm....my Pre is ringing during reboot. probably not good. Jul 23 01:13:04 guess you missed that call Jul 23 01:13:26 new app on the horizon? Jul 23 01:16:05 nope, still working on the old one. nearly finished, though Jul 23 01:16:41 whew. I told my wife if she gave up soda, I'd stop drinking beer. She drank a soda today... Jul 23 01:16:47 * haeffb headed to the fridge! Jul 23 01:18:08 hey guys -- if I have a 'splash' screen when my app loads, how would I remove that from the stack so a user can't gesture back to it? Jul 23 01:18:40 aha. it does work, but you have to reboot the phone first Jul 23 01:18:53 swapScene(); Jul 23 01:19:21 ah... thanks Jul 23 01:19:50 instead of pushScene(); Jul 23 01:20:19 I have four beers left in my life. Should I drink all four tonight, or savor them...? Jul 23 01:20:42 yikes Jul 23 01:20:59 seriously. yikes! Jul 23 01:21:17 in your life? Jul 23 01:21:21 wtf, why are you quitting drinking? Jul 23 01:21:23 drink all four? Jul 23 01:21:28 I don't know how to answer that Jul 23 01:21:38 see above...she quits soda, I quit beer. Jul 23 01:21:44 * BigBiff_pre sheds a tear Jul 23 01:21:48 not a question... I meant drink them! Jul 23 01:21:58 aw, hell, who am I kidding. She can't give up soda. Jul 23 01:22:11 heh Jul 23 01:22:18 and Jul 23 01:22:27 club soda IS soda Jul 23 01:22:32 tell her it's either beer or sex Jul 23 01:22:57 I dunno Jul 23 01:23:10 just switch to burbon Jul 23 01:23:13 lol Jul 23 01:23:26 which reminds me, i have a bottle of maker's mark Jul 23 01:23:28 scotch & water Jul 23 01:23:28 less carbs, it's better for you Jul 23 01:23:31 past about 35 most nigts I think I'd prefer beer Jul 23 01:23:56 BigBiff_pre: been there, done that Jul 23 01:24:23 yup Jul 23 01:24:42 probably the best thing about my diet is i can drink most liquors without going off my diet Jul 23 01:24:55 haeffb, i'm currently in the process of brewing my own beer, i'll ship you some so you can sneak drinking beer without getting caught buying it Jul 23 01:25:11 heh Jul 23 01:25:25 wine ok? Jul 23 01:25:27 Wolvenhaven: been there, done that as well... Jul 23 01:25:52 still have a half dozen bottles sitting in the basement that I made several years ago Jul 23 01:25:57 i can drink a little wine on my diet, not much Jul 23 01:26:07 hmm Jul 23 01:26:12 Bourbon is almost calorie free Jul 23 01:26:17 speaking of useful apps... Jul 23 01:26:55 get me vino was a good idea for an app Jul 23 01:27:28 how about an app that simulates smoking Jul 23 01:27:42 that would help me Jul 23 01:27:54 * BigBiff_pre fell off the wagon this wek Jul 23 01:27:58 week Jul 23 01:28:42 I blame sugardave Jul 23 01:33:20 I also blame sugardave Jul 23 01:35:04 myself as well Jul 23 01:35:25 he is the reason i can't get on the wagon Jul 23 01:37:45 lol Jul 23 01:37:53 i had a couple cigarettes last night Jul 23 01:37:58 when i went to the movies with a friend Jul 23 01:37:59 it was so nice Jul 23 01:44:36 can I get the user's device to tell me what time it is? Jul 23 01:45:11 or... is there a way to figure out what time zone the user is in? Jul 23 01:45:25 without using location services? Jul 23 01:45:29 system clock Jul 23 01:46:03 aaaahhh... sweet Jul 23 01:46:23 getSystemTime... perfect Jul 23 01:48:04 interesting. prototype 2.0 looks to be much different. no dom extending? Jul 23 01:48:22 wonder if future webos will keep prototype Jul 23 01:51:11 prototype is an awesome game Jul 23 01:56:22 hope they bake in jquery Jul 23 01:56:54 prototype 2.0 ? Jul 23 02:12:37 hrm Jul 23 02:23:56 how is the pdk competition going ? Jul 23 02:24:23 no info on it yet, and the US cant buy pdk apps so that doesnt hel; Jul 23 02:26:56 are there many pdk apps though. I read there were just a few and not too good Jul 23 02:27:09 not sure Jul 23 02:27:25 i have one but havent pushed it yet Jul 23 02:29:04 i want to test it on a pixi first, so i have to wait for 1.4.5 to push to us Jul 23 02:30:58 hahahahaha Jul 23 02:31:02 waiting Jul 23 02:31:26 digitalpowers: Here is my mainloop example: http://github.com/amaranth/pdk-mainloop-example Jul 23 02:32:03 8/5/10 - 10MB internet arrives in my house. Jul 23 02:32:07 It can consistently keep ~30 fps (or lower if you get too complex, obviously), go idle when not active, and always respond to user events Jul 23 02:33:24 And no SDL_Delay to be found :) Jul 23 02:34:25 However it can't do 60ms because that'd be 16.66666666666667 milliseconds per frame which rounds down to 16ms and timers only have a granularity of 10ms so you get 100 fps instead Jul 23 02:34:31 Although SDL_Delay has the same problem Jul 23 02:40:26 I had to reboot to Ubuntu to get my SSH keys otherwise I would have posted that when we were talking about it. Got sidetracked updating all my packages in Ubuntu and cleaning some things up. Jul 23 02:41:00 Amaranth: are you still working on haXe-related stuff? Jul 23 02:41:39 zsoc: I think I'm going to focus on getting my own library/engine working instead Jul 23 02:41:49 Amaranth: does it have a fancy name? Jul 23 02:41:52 It'll be much easier for me to use Jul 23 02:41:58 zsoc: Aphrodite, so far Jul 23 02:42:25 Amaranth: You should call it Eudicot Jul 23 02:42:28 I'm going to try to hide SDL entirely and register callbacks for events like you would in a desktop app Jul 23 02:42:48 Amaranth thanks i will check it out Jul 23 02:42:50 That is an interesting idea. Jul 23 02:43:11 (I hope you get the joke, I understand we aren't all botanists) Jul 23 02:43:46 zsoc: Is the joke "yet another engine?" Jul 23 02:44:37 No, but at the same time, I think that's /always/ the joke :> Jul 23 02:45:16 I'm actually doing my own just because of the callback stuff Jul 23 02:46:14 Although I'm also planning an analogue to SDL surfaces in OpenGL using renderbuffers Jul 23 02:46:23 Now /that/ makes sense Jul 23 02:46:57 I imagine that's how desktop SDL uses OpenGL for rendering without making you use OpenGL Jul 23 02:47:10 Although in that case they probably use FBOs Jul 23 02:47:26 i have to admit using opengl to render 2d is a pain Jul 23 02:48:13 digitalpowers: Nah, it's fun Jul 23 02:48:35 If you wrap a couple things in functions it's easy Jul 23 02:48:40 "Hey guys, look a surface. It's really just a rectangle".. "Oh, lets put a texture on it"... "and update that texture 20 times a second" Jul 23 02:49:21 Heh, I hope you update faster than that :P Jul 23 02:49:36 well it might be fun late in life but i am new to opengl so it is giving me a headache Jul 23 02:50:08 and yeah you should update at least 25 times per second, that is how fast a movie is Jul 23 02:50:25 Amaranth: gameboy emulator Jul 23 02:50:26 and its not a rectangle, its 2 triangle strips Jul 23 02:50:35 digitalpowers: glues? ;) Jul 23 02:50:46 and it /can/ be a rectangle in daddy GL < 2.1 Jul 23 02:50:51 gles Jul 23 02:50:56 or a 'quad' as they so lovingly refered to it Jul 23 02:51:02 no, glues (glu for es) ;) Jul 23 02:51:07 digitalpowers: Don't aim for 25 fps just because movies get away with it Jul 23 02:51:34 digitalpowers: Movies also have motion blur and they work to make it look good at 25 fps with post processing Jul 23 02:51:36 i havent started playing with glu at all sticking to gl (es) for the moment Jul 23 02:51:39 Which you can't do on the fly Jul 23 02:52:19 and i generally fix it at 40 fps Jul 23 02:52:25 for most of the stuff i do Jul 23 02:52:39 seems like a happy medium Jul 23 02:54:41 digitalpowers: The problem with that is with SDL only doing things in 10ms intervals you're going to either get locked in to 33 fps, locked in to 50 fps, or widely fluctuate between the two Jul 23 02:54:45 digitalpowers: I would just aim for 50 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 02:59:56 2010