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Jul 30 03:01:03 <sugardave> what y'all don't know (maybe) is that my first client wanted a framework-style app as well....he seems to have stopped at 5 submissions and plans a couple of more for "the holidays" I guess....what's stopping him from being the next BHL?
Jul 30 03:07:11 <spdsktr> Nothing, but he is doing decent sales of those already, so best to space them out and look less like spam
Jul 30 03:07:18 <spdsktr> seems like you are aiming square at me :)
Jul 30 03:07:38 <sugardave> spdsktr: I can honestly say that is NOT the case
Jul 30 03:08:04 <spdsktr> sugardave: I know
Jul 30 03:08:17 <tomlee> hmm, does anyone know if we're allowed to use webview in a custom dialog?
Jul 30 03:08:25 <spdsktr> I welcome competition, only wish alphacards guy got off his ass and did something worthwhile
Jul 30 03:08:38 <sugardave> spdsktr: and I am going to explain (again) to him about the value of NOT spamming the app catalog in one fell swoop
Jul 30 03:08:43 <tomlee> for some reason when i open an url it's showing blank page
Jul 30 03:08:45 <spdsktr> with fmr, I was completely looking the other way
Jul 30 03:10:00 <spdsktr> sugardave: awesome, but I doubt they will listen and just passifying you til the work is done :)
Jul 30 03:11:48 <sugardave> spdsktr: of course, that is a possibility.  I hope not, but if so, I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone
Jul 30 03:12:11 <sugardave> and at least my app won't be as shit as whoever else might write it
Jul 30 03:12:21 * sugardave writes checks he hopes he can cover.
Jul 30 03:12:23 <sugardave> ;)
Jul 30 03:12:45 <spdsktr> a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do -- hopefully you don't roast for it
Jul 30 03:13:48 <sugardave> y'all would miss me
Jul 30 03:19:50 <spdsktr> oiy, vz navigator is such a PITA
Jul 30 03:26:21 <haeffb> a pre!
Jul 30 03:55:39 <Tibfib> goodnight
Jul 30 03:55:40 <dekan> night night, Tibfib
Jul 30 04:17:38 <LoneStar99> anyone good with json here?
Jul 30 04:21:02 <LoneStar99> can't figure out how to parse certain thing out of a json feed
Jul 30 04:33:16 <spdsktr> LoneStar99: whatcha got?
Jul 30 04:34:44 <LoneStar99> spdsktr: http://pastebin.com/Wr9Kdgna
Jul 30 04:35:48 <LoneStar99> i can parse "basresult->handle" without a problem, but get undefined when trying to parse "bastotal"
Jul 30 04:37:19 <LoneStar99> so not sure how to parse "bastotal"
Jul 30 04:39:56 <LoneStar99> spdsktr: nevermind, parsing fine now, had a stupid error on my side
Jul 30 04:44:08 <nyceane> hey guys =D
Jul 30 04:44:11 <spdsktr> LoneStar99: it's the stupid lil things that always stump you
Jul 30 04:44:20 <nyceane> so here is the part, one of my app was audited not to be on top
Jul 30 04:44:26 <nyceane> but palm said they'll give me $1000 anyway
Jul 30 04:44:28 <nyceane> omg =D
Jul 30 04:44:35 <nyceane> =D
Jul 30 04:44:35 <nyceane> =D
Jul 30 04:44:36 <nyceane> =D
Jul 30 04:45:37 <LoneStar99> spdsktr: Yeah wasted about an hour + on something really stupid
Jul 30 04:46:03 <LoneStar99> nyceane:  nice!
Jul 30 04:49:00 <dawm> hrm
Jul 30 04:49:04 <dawm> i cant get cupcake working
Jul 30 04:49:27 <dawm> congrads nyceane
Jul 30 04:51:57 <spdsktr> nyceane: congrats
Jul 30 04:52:40 <nyceane> thanks =D
Jul 30 04:53:06 <nyceane> I'll promote palm as much as i can, for it provided me support both finicially and spiritually =D
Jul 30 04:55:46 <spdsktr> palm hearts devs like that
Jul 30 05:01:02 <rwhitby> spdsktr: seems there is a bug in the portal related to screenshots.
Jul 30 05:01:32 <dawm> ugh.. i thought cupcakes were easy to drop in and run with..
Jul 30 05:04:24 <nyceane> spdsktr, rwhitby, have you guys voted for my app yet? =D
Jul 30 05:04:29 <spdsktr> rwhitby: hmmm, I KNEW I uploaded those images :)
Jul 30 05:04:36 <alexfner> Got a tour of a data center today
Jul 30 05:04:39 <spdsktr> nyceane: voted?
Jul 30 05:04:40 <alexfner> it was a nerds dream
Jul 30 05:04:46 <nyceane> the app i made for a contest to be honored by michelle obama =)
Jul 30 05:04:55 <alexfner> nay, it was a nerds fantasy
Jul 30 05:04:57 <spdsktr> nyceane: name?
Jul 30 05:05:10 <nyceane> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 30 05:05:21 <nyceane> its not a fantasy, i m leading =)
Jul 30 05:05:48 <nyceane> thanks to everybody in the palm channel, everybody active here all voted heh
Jul 30 05:09:08 <spdsktr> Anyone on Verizon and want to test a brand new patch?
Jul 30 05:10:10 <nyceane> i wish i can help =|
Jul 30 05:10:17 <nyceane> btw, did you download my app yet? "Pickup Sports"
Jul 30 05:10:55 <spdsktr> nope, doubt anything even remotely close to me
Jul 30 05:11:25 <nyceane> where do you live?
Jul 30 05:12:08 <spdsktr> Pensacola, FL
Jul 30 05:12:37 <spdsktr> not driving to Mobile or Destin if it's that far
Jul 30 05:21:32 <Gu1l7y_work> spdsktr: What kinda patch? Im Verizon.....
Jul 30 05:22:21 <spdsktr> Gu1l7y_work: GPS Fix :)
Jul 30 05:22:43 <spdsktr> finally finished the mods to VZ Nav to allow it to launch, establish connection, then close itself
Jul 30 05:23:28 <Gu1l7y_work> So, it involves the use of VZ Nav? Like someone with a subscription?
Jul 30 05:23:58 <spdsktr> No subscription required. It actually stops VZ Nav at the splash screen with a special note
Jul 30 05:24:25 <Gu1l7y_work> Is your app in the homebrew cat or something?
Jul 30 05:24:26 <spdsktr> but yes, the only reliable/reproducable way to unlock GPS is through VZ Nav
Jul 30 05:24:39 <spdsktr> it's in beta channel, but yes, it's in the forums
Jul 30 05:25:17 <spdsktr> this patch will let me load VZ Nav and close it in the background so your GPS stays unlocked at all times
Jul 30 05:25:23 <Gu1l7y_work> Name of said patch?
Jul 30 05:25:26 <spdsktr> will even have component in app to load up
Jul 30 05:25:38 <spdsktr> patch = merging the 3 patch files as we speak
Jul 30 05:26:56 <Gu1l7y_work> got a name or thread I can search to?
Jul 30 05:27:33 <spdsktr> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/255632-mini-app-request-periodically-pinging-vzw-gps-background.html
Jul 30 05:27:53 <spdsktr> long story short, once the connection is open, it stays open for a lil bit
Jul 30 05:28:03 <spdsktr> this app pings the GPS to keep that connection alive in the BG
Jul 30 05:28:28 <spdsktr> now, I am trying to build the ability to not only keep it alive, but open it as well (and prevent launching VZ Nav manually)
Jul 30 05:28:56 <spdsktr> this patch will allow me to launch VZ Nav in bg, let's it establish, then *boom* close
Jul 30 05:29:03 <Gu1l7y_work> Yea, I've got GPSFix on my phone. It works just fine. Sometimes initialization is a pain but yea, works.
Jul 30 05:30:58 <Gu1l7y_work> Have you used it?
Jul 30 05:31:13 <spdsktr> the patch? about to...
Jul 30 05:32:21 <Gu1l7y_work> are you spdsktr on the forums?
Jul 30 05:32:39 <spdsktr> are you Gu1l7y_work in irc? :P *grin*
Jul 30 05:33:21 <spdsktr> sorry, a bit tired and my humor might be off -- yes, I am one in the same
Jul 30 05:33:40 <Gu1l7y_work> Gu1l7y5p4rk usually. forums and here.
Jul 30 05:41:29 <spdsktr> Bingo, we have success
Jul 30 05:41:54 <spdsktr> Gu1l7y_work: wanna email me? Will send patch, updated GPS Fix App, and secondary app to test some things
Jul 30 05:43:43 <Gu1l7y_work> Why the need for an updated GSP Fix app, when mine works? lol jw
Jul 30 05:45:19 <spdsktr> try rebooting your device, does it maintain an open connection?
Jul 30 05:45:34 <spdsktr> aka can you launch any GPS app without loading VZ Nav
Jul 30 05:46:13 <Gu1l7y_work> Yea, I don't have to touch VZNav anymore. Gimme a minute and I'll reboot.
Jul 30 05:46:50 <spdsktr> Gu1l7y_work: do a batt pull as well to be sure all hardware shuts down
Jul 30 05:47:11 <Gu1l7y_work> Yea, I always do when testing shit like this.
Jul 30 05:48:40 <Gu1l7y_work> ok, I haven't done anything except loaded Gmaps. I didn't reboot. Its showing me about 20ft away from where I actually am and I'm in a building.
Jul 30 05:48:53 <Gu1l7y_work> Gimme about 5mins so I can reboot. brb
Jul 30 05:54:39 <Gu1l7y_work> K, I just rebooted and opened Gmaps. "unable to determine location.."
Jul 30 05:55:32 <Gu1l7y_work> Opened GPSFix, and hit "Get Fix"....
Jul 30 05:56:51 <Gu1l7y_work> ...I got a timeout error. lol
Jul 30 06:00:52 <spdsktr> see, now you need this patch and updated app
Jul 30 06:01:18 <spdsktr> don't open VZ Nav, that will unlock it for a while and can't test this
Jul 30 06:34:34 <hotdp> good morning
Jul 30 06:34:34 <dekan> good morning hotdp
Jul 30 06:35:32 <Gu1l7y_work> good morning
Jul 30 06:35:33 <dekan> good morning Gu1l7y_work
Jul 30 06:39:34 <spdsktr> g'night :)
Jul 30 07:05:05 <whoolio> can anyone tell me how you get the value of a text field
Jul 30 07:05:13 <whoolio> i thought i had this but apoparently not
Jul 30 07:05:41 <swisstomcat> morning
Jul 30 07:05:46 <whoolio> hi
Jul 30 07:06:04 <whoolio> this is so frustrating that regular javascript doesn't work
Jul 30 07:06:30 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Jul 30 07:06:41 <whoolio> im in ares...i dragged in a text field
Jul 30 07:06:47 <whoolio> i put in a button
Jul 30 07:06:58 <whoolio> and when i tap it, i want to get the value in the text field
Jul 30 07:07:01 <whoolio> it doens't work
Jul 30 07:07:14 <whoolio> i want document.getElementById!
Jul 30 07:07:17 <whoolio> ahh
Jul 30 07:08:05 <swisstomcat> ares is a bit different
Jul 30 07:08:08 <whoolio> im using this.$.mytextfield.fetchModelProperty("value");
Jul 30 07:08:10 <whoolio> abnd it deosn't work
Jul 30 07:08:25 <swisstomcat> this.$.mytextfield.value? doesn't work?
Jul 30 07:08:58 <whoolio> nope
Jul 30 07:09:37 <swisstomcat> let me check
Jul 30 07:10:49 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jul 30 07:10:59 <swisstomcat> although fetchModelProperty should work
Jul 30 07:11:57 <whoolio> i know
Jul 30 07:12:06 <whoolio> worked yesterday for me in a differnt app
Jul 30 07:13:59 <swisstomcat> what error do you get?
Jul 30 07:14:38 <whoolio> ahhh
Jul 30 07:14:41 <whoolio> finally i got it
Jul 30 07:15:08 <whoolio> i think ares doesn't always save before converting it
Jul 30 07:15:14 <whoolio> to the emulator
Jul 30 07:15:17 <whoolio> sometigns buggy
Jul 30 07:15:23 <hotdp> you have to pres run everytime?
Jul 30 07:15:36 <hotdp> Save is not enough
Jul 30 07:16:08 <whoolio> i don pres run everytime
Jul 30 07:16:18 <whoolio> i thought ares auto saved
Jul 30 07:16:20 <whoolio> guess not
Jul 30 07:16:48 <whoolio> swisstomcat..thanks...i think you helped me yesterday
Jul 30 07:16:56 <swisstomcat> did i?
Jul 30 07:17:08 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
Jul 30 07:17:36 <whoolio> you were on atleast...i think you chimed in
Jul 30 07:17:39 <whoolio> once or twice
Jul 30 07:20:56 <hotdp> whoolio, you MUST pres run
Jul 30 07:21:01 <hotdp> it will make a new updated package and install it
Jul 30 07:21:20 <whoolio> swisstomcat...to set the value programmatically...would you write this.controller.get("mytextfield").value="the new value"
Jul 30 07:21:28 <hotdp> i made the same mistake when i started on ares :P because on the web save is all that is needed
Jul 30 07:21:37 <whoolio> hotdp...i am doing that now...thanks!
Jul 30 07:22:23 <swisstomcat> whoolio: i'd say that should work
Jul 30 07:23:13 <hotdp> this.$."mytextfield".setValue("new value");
Jul 30 07:24:35 <hotdp> this.$.mytextfield.getValue()
Jul 30 07:25:00 <swisstomcat> ask hotdp for ares stuff .. i'm not using it that much
Jul 30 07:25:02 <swisstomcat> :)
Jul 30 07:25:46 <whoolio> cool!
Jul 30 07:30:02 <whoolio> that worked . thank you hotdp
Jul 30 07:30:14 <whoolio> i might make an app tongiht
Jul 30 07:31:06 <swisstomcat> yay
Jul 30 07:33:26 <hotdp> np whoolio
Jul 30 07:33:39 <hotdp> what app are you gonna make?
Jul 30 07:36:31 <whoolio> haha...a timer that i can use to count how much time i spend trying to figure out simple things
Jul 30 07:36:45 <hotdp> sweet
Jul 30 07:36:49 <hotdp> ;)
Jul 30 07:36:57 <swisstomcat> i'd use that
Jul 30 07:36:58 <whoolio> lol i dont know yet...anythign that works!
Jul 30 08:36:45 <LinuxQ> Hi, I use Ares and use a 'html' widget to show some information. How can I change the content of it from within the code ?
Jul 30 08:37:09 <swisstomcat> hi
Jul 30 08:37:44 <swisstomcat> try this.$.yourwidgetname.setValue("new Value")
Jul 30 08:38:00 <whoolio> haha...everyones got the same quesiton
Jul 30 08:38:03 <swisstomcat> heh
Jul 30 08:38:25 <LinuxQ> thanks I will try !
Jul 30 08:38:29 <swisstomcat> it seems like the documentation is lacking or no one reads it
Jul 30 08:38:56 <hotdp> swisstomcat you learn fast :P
Jul 30 08:39:34 <hotdp> LinuxQ, its not always setValue it depends on what widget it is?
Jul 30 08:42:38 <LinuxQ> palm.mojo.html
Jul 30 08:42:48 <LinuxQ> and it doesn't work :(
Jul 30 08:43:35 <LinuxQ> I retrieve
Jul 30 08:44:08 <LinuxQ> weatherinfo from a local radiostation. normally it is plain text
Jul 30 08:44:32 <LinuxQ> but for storm warning they use html
Jul 30 08:45:29 <hotdp> You have an html widget that you would to what?
Jul 30 08:45:41 <LinuxQ> i used a label,but this week the storm warning appeared and it screws up of course. thus i wanted to use the html widget
Jul 30 08:45:54 <hotdp> aha
Jul 30 08:46:10 <hotdp> so you would like to see the values in the html?
Jul 30 08:46:12 <hotdp> or?
Jul 30 08:46:41 <LinuxQ> yes,cause that should work with plain text and html
Jul 30 08:48:00 <swisstomcat> html widget=webview?
Jul 30 08:48:31 <LinuxQ> no,cause the plain text doesn't zoom rigt in webview
Jul 30 08:49:16 <LinuxQ> i use a webadress that includes the actual gps koordinates an get the result
Jul 30 08:49:32 <LinuxQ> 99% of the time it is plain text
Jul 30 08:49:35 <hotdp> but does you show the html content or do you use the content?
Jul 30 08:49:45 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jul 30 08:49:50 <swisstomcat> maybe you could parse out the html?
Jul 30 08:49:58 <swisstomcat> do you have an example?
Jul 30 08:49:59 <dekan> do you have a sexample?
Jul 30 08:50:12 * swisstomcat kicks dekan
Jul 30 08:50:46 <LinuxQ> unfortunatly not. right now i only get plaintext
Jul 30 08:52:12 <LinuxQ> normally it works perfect with a label
Jul 30 08:53:11 <LinuxQ> or can i somehow tell webview to automatically zoom in? that would be an option.
Jul 30 08:57:43 <LinuxQ> when it was html they included an image i think.
Jul 30 08:58:40 <LinuxQ> the label then was behind an image and i only saw the firtst line, that included html code
Jul 30 08:59:34 <swisstomcat> i see
Jul 30 09:01:15 * swisstomcat starts up ares
Jul 30 09:01:18 <hotdp> i still don't see :)
Jul 30 09:01:47 <hotdp> Let me get the basics. Your app shows an image of the weater or an description?
Jul 30 09:02:34 <LinuxQ> description
Jul 30 09:02:57 <hotdp> and now you get html content back and not only the description?
Jul 30 09:03:52 <swisstomcat> in mojo you would set the .innerHTML of a <div> to do this
Jul 30 09:04:05 <LinuxQ> i just use an ajax
Jul 30 09:04:14 <LinuxQ> request 'get'
Jul 30 09:04:25 <swisstomcat> does that work in ares too? e.g this.$.yourwidgetname.innerHTML='<b>test</b>';
Jul 30 09:04:59 <hotdp> it should
Jul 30 09:06:04 <hotdp> I don't see the problem? Why use html widget if it is an ajax request? You could just search the html  request you get back for the description and show it?
Jul 30 09:06:18 <swisstomcat> yeah, that would work too
Jul 30 09:07:12 <hotdp> then you can check if it contains html, if do something if not do it on the "old" way
Jul 30 09:08:12 <LinuxQ> innerHTML doesn't work. it won't change the text
Jul 30 09:09:05 <LinuxQ> ok, I'll probably have to find an way to filter the html part of the result
Jul 30 09:09:30 <hotdp> i think you should do it my way :D very easy
Jul 30 09:09:38 <LinuxQ> exampleurl: http://mobile.swr3.de/iphone/nocache/iPhoneGeoWeather.php?north=49.50&east=8.4
Jul 30 09:09:47 <hotdp> you can read the respons
Jul 30 09:10:14 <hotdp> i see.
Jul 30 09:10:40 <hotdp> but when it contains html, do you have an example on that?
Jul 30 09:11:09 <Gu1l7y_work> Anyone here on a Verizon data plan?
Jul 30 09:11:15 <LinuxQ> unfortunately not! I saw it only one time and i was one the road
Jul 30 09:11:15 <swisstomcat> find a place where there's a storm
Jul 30 09:11:25 <LinuxQ> :)
Jul 30 09:11:31 <swisstomcat> gu1l7y_work: nope
Jul 30 09:12:05 <LinuxQ> thanks for your help!!!
Jul 30 09:12:40 <LinuxQ> I'll try to find a way to filter all html parts now.
Jul 30 09:12:47 <Gu1l7y_work> Swiss: figures
Jul 30 09:12:51 <hotdp> sounds like a good ideer
Jul 30 09:12:56 <hotdp> idea :)
Jul 30 09:14:23 <LinuxQ> autozoom for webview? is that possible?
Jul 30 09:14:25 <whoolio> if you use a label you can use innerhtml
Jul 30 09:15:40 <whoolio> i used this.controller.get("mylabelname").innerHTML ="<b>whatever</b>"
Jul 30 09:15:44 <whoolio> that worked for me
Jul 30 09:15:52 <whoolio> i don't know if that answers your quesiton
Jul 30 09:15:53 <swisstomcat> that's the mojo way
Jul 30 09:16:36 <whoolio> it worked in Ares
Jul 30 09:16:44 <whoolio> is there somethign bad about that way?
Jul 30 09:16:48 <hotdp> nope
Jul 30 09:16:54 <hotdp> if it works its fine ;)
Jul 30 09:17:00 <swisstomcat> i don't think so, i've mixed mojo and ares stuff
Jul 30 09:17:38 <hotdp> Its basically the same that happens, the syntax is just different and sometimes only one of the solutions work in Ares
Jul 30 09:17:48 <whoolio> this could be a complicated question...i have a palm pre
Jul 30 09:17:55 <hotdp> LinuxQ, what are you zooming on?
Jul 30 09:17:58 <whoolio> and i plugged it into my mac with a mini usb cable
Jul 30 09:18:14 <whoolio> but ares doesn't recognize it to publish to it
Jul 30 09:18:24 <whoolio> is setting that up complicated?
Jul 30 09:18:36 <hotdp> <-- not a Mac guy
Jul 30 09:18:49 <swisstomcat> whoolio: is the developer mode enabled on your pre?
Jul 30 09:18:56 <whoolio> haha...neither am i but i couldn't ares to work on the pc witht he emulator
Jul 30 09:19:01 <whoolio> yeah i did do that
Jul 30 09:19:04 <LinuxQ> autozoom on the result for the weather.
Jul 30 09:19:09 <whoolio> i think maybe the cable is wrong...
Jul 30 09:19:25 <whoolio> even though it fits...the guys radio shack said that could be an issue
Jul 30 09:19:32 <swisstomcat> does it charge?
Jul 30 09:19:47 <whoolio> um yeah
Jul 30 09:20:38 <swisstomcat> cable should be fine then i assume
Jul 30 09:20:58 <whoolio> not a big deal...ill just keep testingin the emulator
Jul 30 09:20:59 <swisstomcat> the cable usually comes with your pre
Jul 30 09:21:00 <hotdp> LinuxQ, i still don't get it. Are you showing the content as html or are you setting content to a mojo label or what are you doing? don't see why you should zoom?
Jul 30 09:21:09 <whoolio> i got the pre used
Jul 30 09:21:14 <swisstomcat> ah, i see
Jul 30 09:21:24 <hotdp> whoolio, can webos quickinstall see the device?
Jul 30 09:21:31 <swisstomcat> yeah, was going to say that
Jul 30 09:21:46 <whoolio> webos quickinstall?
Jul 30 09:21:50 <whoolio> let me google what that means
Jul 30 09:22:02 <whoolio> jeez you guys are experts here
Jul 30 09:22:11 <swisstomcat> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-14-a.html
Jul 30 09:22:24 <LinuxQ> i tried to use the link (see above) in a webview. that works,but it is way too small.
Jul 30 09:22:48 <swisstomcat> how big did you set the webview?
Jul 30 09:23:11 <LinuxQ> 320pixels width
Jul 30 09:23:20 <LinuxQ> 25 height
Jul 30 09:24:26 <swisstomcat> use the viewport meta tag could work
Jul 30 09:24:29 <swisstomcat> using
Jul 30 09:24:55 <swisstomcat> <meta name="viewport" content="width:320;initial-scale=1.0;user-scalable=yes">
Jul 30 09:27:16 <LinuxQ> ok,then i should add the metatag string and the result i  get and set it as a html. since i have no influence to the result i get.
Jul 30 09:27:38 <LinuxQ> and use that as innerHTML
Jul 30 09:28:04 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 30 09:28:20 <swisstomcat> add <html><head> and <body> too
Jul 30 09:28:37 <LinuxQ> ok, i'll try both approaches during the weekend
Jul 30 09:28:38 <swisstomcat> parsing the html still seems like the easier and cleaner way imho
Jul 30 09:31:16 <LinuxQ> thanks  @all
Jul 30 09:31:25 <hotdp> LinuxQ, i still don't understand WHY use html view when it only is text?
Jul 30 09:31:27 <LinuxQ> have a nice weekend
Jul 30 09:31:31 <hotdp> you too
Jul 30 09:31:38 <swisstomcat> you too
Jul 30 09:33:07 <LinuxQ> hotdp: because sometimes the result is html and it seemed the fastest way for me ;) probably isn't :)
Jul 30 09:33:53 <hotdp> no i i dont think it is :)
Jul 30 09:34:12 <hotdp> better to take out the content of the respons and show it in a textfield or something
Jul 30 09:34:21 <hotdp> then you don't have to zoom or anything
Jul 30 09:35:05 <LinuxQ> bye :) have to get back to work. THANKS again. I'll stick with the label and filter html :)
Jul 30 09:58:26 <whoolio> hey hot db
Jul 30 09:58:29 <whoolio> u still there?
Jul 30 09:58:39 <whoolio> can u tell me how to take a screen shot?
Jul 30 09:58:46 <whoolio> off the emulator
Jul 30 10:05:27 <rohit2> Hello,, I have been trying my hand at sending data through my webOS app on cloud. Is there any good tutorial or a very simple app available that I can look up for help..
Jul 30 10:05:29 <rohit2> ??
Jul 30 10:06:29 <whoolio> i dont theres much of anytinng for tutorials
Jul 30 10:06:37 <whoolio> did you check out the git hub tutorials
Jul 30 10:06:42 <whoolio> samples i mean
Jul 30 10:06:55 <rohit2> no,, where can i find them..??
Jul 30 10:08:08 <whoolio> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1837&Itemid=24
Jul 30 10:08:16 <whoolio> then click on the git hub link
Jul 30 10:08:51 <whoolio> you can download the sampels...extract them and drag them right into ares...i dont even know if they are close to whatyou are look for.
Jul 30 10:09:03 <whoolio> its the only samples ive found besides the one on the site.
Jul 30 10:09:19 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to do, rohit2?
Jul 30 10:10:06 <rohit2> I first of all want to get a string entered from user,, store it in server database and then retrieve it..
Jul 30 10:11:37 <swisstomcat> do an ajax request?
Jul 30 10:12:01 <rohit2> I've understood the basic client side code.. having trouble with the server side code..
Jul 30 10:12:10 <rohit2> what it should be like
Jul 30 10:12:12 <rohit2> ??
Jul 30 10:12:26 <swisstomcat> what do you use on the server? php?
Jul 30 10:12:35 <rohit2> google app engine
Jul 30 10:12:40 <rohit2> java as of now
Jul 30 10:13:02 <swisstomcat> you do a get or post ajax request to your server?
Jul 30 10:14:00 <rohit2> post request
Jul 30 10:15:40 <swisstomcat> you should be able to get the parameters out of that request on the server side
Jul 30 10:15:47 <swisstomcat> and store it to the database
Jul 30 10:17:44 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jul 30 10:18:30 <rohit2> I know I should be.. I mean lot of apps must be doing that.. but i'm not able to do it,, therefore trying to find a tutorial
Jul 30 11:04:18 <swisstomcat> rohit2: an app engine specific tutorial then .. or java specific .. probably the wrong channel here
Jul 30 11:04:49 <hotdp> yer
Jul 30 11:04:53 <rohit2> hey thanks.. I just figured it out
Jul 30 11:04:55 <rohit2> :)
Jul 30 11:05:03 <rohit2> it's working fine
Jul 30 11:09:56 <swisstomcat> very goo
Jul 30 11:09:57 <swisstomcat> d
Jul 30 12:56:54 <Anivrom|pre> Who be here?
Jul 30 12:57:23 <swisstomcat> i would
Jul 30 12:57:53 <Anivrom|pre> Oh hai :)
Jul 30 12:58:33 <Anivrom|pre> You workin on any apps swiss?
Jul 30 12:58:41 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 30 12:58:53 <swisstomcat> www.thinmachine.ch
Jul 30 13:07:54 <Anivrom|pre> Swisstomcat: can't seem to navigate the site on a pre.
Jul 30 13:08:05 <swisstomcat> it should work
Jul 30 13:08:08 <Anivrom|pre> Applications page won't load
Jul 30 13:08:08 <swisstomcat> what happens?
Jul 30 13:08:15 <swisstomcat> let me try
Jul 30 13:09:05 <swisstomcat> hmm, works here on the pre
Jul 30 13:09:07 <Anivrom|pre> Now I can't even open the browser cause of TMC
Jul 30 13:09:18 <swisstomcat> try http://www.thinmachine.ch/en/index.html
Jul 30 13:09:38 <swisstomcat> haven't seen a TMC for a long time .. using uberkernel :)
Jul 30 13:24:06 <Switchedgear> gooood moooorrrning
Jul 30 13:24:20 <Anivrom|pre> Aloha
Jul 30 13:24:38 <Switchedgear> it's friday yall!
Jul 30 13:24:49 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 30 13:26:03 <hotdp> :)
Jul 30 13:26:28 <Anivrom|pre> Hey swisstomcat
Jul 30 13:26:38 <Anivrom|pre> Didn't know you made tuts+
Jul 30 13:27:31 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 30 13:27:33 <swisstomcat> you use it?
Jul 30 13:28:32 <Anivrom|pre> Yea. Once in a while
Jul 30 13:29:27 <Anivrom|pre> Quesrion: I haven't done any ajax, how easy is it to pull the tutorial info off the website?
Jul 30 13:30:40 <swisstomcat> for the tutorial itself, i just use a webview
Jul 30 13:30:49 <Anivrom|pre> Ah
Jul 30 13:30:57 <swisstomcat> for the the rest, i use their rss-feed with YQL
Jul 30 13:31:18 <swisstomcat> the app is open-source so you can pick it apart
Jul 30 13:31:30 <swisstomcat> if you like
Jul 30 13:32:57 <Anivrom|pre> So webview basically outputs the wbpage without any formatting? Haven't used webview yet, I've been working on a canvas game so not much 'cloud' involved
Jul 30 13:33:03 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 30 13:33:06 <swisstomcat> basically
Jul 30 13:45:09 <Anivrom|pre> haeffb: watap?
Jul 30 13:45:19 <Anivrom|pre> Just getting to work?
Jul 30 13:46:11 <haeffb_pre> no, been here for a while...just getting to wirc
Jul 30 13:46:24 <Anivrom|pre> Ah
Jul 30 13:47:45 <haeffb_pre> dawm: ping
Jul 30 14:10:32 <hotdp> bbl
Jul 30 14:13:10 <LoneStar99> morniung all
Jul 30 14:13:17 <swisstomcat> morning lonestar
Jul 30 14:16:36 <haeffb_pre> good morning
Jul 30 14:18:08 <warpdesign_> morning
Jul 30 14:27:22 <Anivrom|pre> Hey Lonestar
Jul 30 14:28:05 <LoneStar99> howdy swisstomcat haeffb warpdesign_ Anivrom|pre
Jul 30 14:29:10 <Anivrom|pre> Whats on the menu for you today?
Jul 30 14:32:17 <LoneStar99> trying to rollout my new app, but just so many things to it...
Jul 30 14:39:07 <Anivrom|pre> Robdor! What's up? Any chance I can get a longer version of your app to 'beta test'?
Jul 30 14:39:19 <Anivrom|pre> :P!
Jul 30 14:39:51 <Robdor> Hi Anivrom|pre I don't have a longer version yet.  I'm still building my levels.
Jul 30 14:40:00 <Anivrom|pre> Awwwwwwwwwwww
Jul 30 14:40:11 <Robdor> Sorry :)
Jul 30 14:40:22 <Anivrom|pre> I keep playing the same 6 levels just messin arounf
Jul 30 14:41:34 <Robdor> I'm glad that you like it.  I plan on having about 60 levels when I release it.
Jul 30 14:41:54 <Anivrom|pre> Noice noice
Jul 30 14:42:27 <Robdor> If you open the IPK you can see a levels directory where I define levels with in xml format.  I'm throwing around the idea of letting people build their own levels.
Jul 30 14:43:27 <Anivrom|pre> That would make your app 10x more popular. Ppl love contributing stuff that others can use
Jul 30 14:43:41 <Anivrom|pre> Ppl love to show off :P
Jul 30 14:44:47 <Anivrom|pre> In my app you're gonna be able to make custom decorations too
Jul 30 14:47:06 <Robdor> What is your app?
Jul 30 14:48:33 <Anivrom|pre> Oh, it's kinda hush hush atm but in a few weeks I should have a beta that you could test if you want. Its a canvas game though
Jul 30 14:50:10 <torchie> aww the music player stops when you open a game
Jul 30 14:52:10 <Robdor> Anivrom|pre: Yeah, let me know I would love to test it.
Jul 30 14:53:05 <Anivrom|pre> Its kinda demographic specific so you might not enjoy it though.
Jul 30 14:56:21 <twbbas> I have a loop running and it only runs once with this specific line in the loop: this.controller.get("list").mojo.noticeAddedItems(0, [{label: msg}]); Anyone know why the loop wouldn't loop with that line?
Jul 30 15:00:54 <swisstomcat> any errors that stop it?
Jul 30 15:01:00 <twbbas> No errors
Jul 30 15:01:23 <twbbas> When I comment out that line it runs fine
Jul 30 15:01:33 <twbbas> Can it just not add items to a list that fast?
Jul 30 15:02:53 <swisstomcat> can't you just call noticeAddedItems after you've added several items?
Jul 30 15:03:43 <haeffb_pre> does noticeAddedItems take an array of items?
Jul 30 15:04:03 <twbbas> Do you mean add it all at once after the loop? How can I do that?
Jul 30 15:04:13 <twbbas> I didn't think that was possible
Jul 30 15:04:13 <swisstomcat> i might be wrong :)
Jul 30 15:04:39 <twbbas> I'll look into adding an array
Jul 30 15:05:46 * haeffb_pre would just push items to the model.items array & call modelChanged()
Jul 30 15:05:59 <swisstomcat> that's what i usually do
Jul 30 15:06:20 <twbbas> Ok I'll look into that too
Jul 30 15:06:22 <twbbas> Thanks
Jul 30 15:06:48 <swisstomcat> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5209
Jul 30 15:19:50 <haeffb_pre> is listItems the entire items array, or just the new items you're adding
Jul 30 15:20:29 <hotdp> rehi
Jul 30 15:24:13 <sugardave> ooo, new phishing email (well, I haven't gotten one before) tp my work address purporting to be from the IRS and that I can get a WHOPPING $63.80 refund if I fill out their form
Jul 30 15:24:31 <hotdp> do it ;)
Jul 30 15:24:48 <sugardave> yeah, that's a big negatory, good buddy! :P
Jul 30 15:25:58 <oil> fill out completely fake information
Jul 30 15:26:07 <oil> just to make them think its real and try to do something with it
Jul 30 15:26:32 <sugardave> hmmm, if I get bored enough I might do that :D
Jul 30 15:27:04 <oil> its all, name: "Scammy McScammerson"
Jul 30 15:27:33 <sugardave> do people STILL not look at the URLs for text links?  I mean, damn
Jul 30 15:27:51 <Wolvenhaven> lol sugardave, we got one from nationwide bank in the UK about a 386k pound atm card we won in a lottery
Jul 30 15:27:52 <Anivrom|pre> Lulz
Jul 30 15:28:11 <sugardave> I win the "UK Lottery" about once every 2 months
Jul 30 15:28:20 <Wolvenhaven> i want to call that guy
Jul 30 15:28:27 <sugardave> I'm also somehow getting spam completely in Russian
Jul 30 15:28:44 <Anivrom|pre> That's a bit of a stretch to think you're gonna make anything off that one
Jul 30 15:30:03 <Anivrom|pre> sugardave: if there's a comments section write "sweet thanks, now I can afford to go phishing!"
Jul 30 15:30:18 <sugardave> heh
Jul 30 15:40:40 <swisstomcat> did anyone try class="palm-button small-button" on a button?
Jul 30 15:40:58 <swisstomcat> looks like two buttons overlaid, one of them looks small and nice
Jul 30 15:41:31 <haeffb_pre> what about just small-button?
Jul 30 15:42:03 <swisstomcat> nope
Jul 30 15:44:37 <swisstomcat> looks like there's a corresponding image to it ... palm-button-small.png
Jul 30 15:45:17 <LoneStar99> sugardave: how would I find out where "San Diego" is stored in your cookie system: http://pastebin.com/31PHt49w
Jul 30 15:46:00 <swisstomcat> oh, cool
Jul 30 15:47:22 <swisstomcat> this small button looks really cool
Jul 30 15:47:50 <hotdp> hmm is there picture of the button somewhere? (don't wonna start Ares up)
Jul 30 15:48:09 <swisstomcat> small-button is defined in globa-buttons.css
Jul 30 15:48:55 <swisstomcat> global-buttons.css
Jul 30 15:52:56 <LoneStar99> sugardave: kinda like a reverse lookup
Jul 30 16:03:53 <sugardave> LoneStar99: for loops or each()
Jul 30 16:05:35 <sugardave> for (var i in BasCookies.cookies) {if (i.dough.city === 'San Diego') {//found it}};
Jul 30 16:08:32 <LoneStar99> sugardave: you da man, let me try that out
Jul 30 16:12:08 <Anivrom|pre> Suggestion: rock out with your sock out
Jul 30 16:14:08 <sugardave> swisstomcat: I see what you are talking about with the 2 buttons...how do we get that better looking one? :D
Jul 30 16:14:26 <Anivrom|pre> My pre's sliding is getting  a little gritty.
Jul 30 16:14:37 <swisstomcat> sugardave: let me pastebin it
Jul 30 16:14:44 <Anivrom|pre> Ooo new button, link to a pic?
Jul 30 16:15:34 <sugardave> swisstomcat: thanks
Jul 30 16:15:41 <swisstomcat> http://webos.pastebin.com/DmLewG4A
Jul 30 16:15:45 <swisstomcat> looking really nice
Jul 30 16:16:20 <sugardave> ah, was using small-button...let's see
Jul 30 16:17:43 <sugardave> hmmm...I think it doesn't like my other class
Jul 30 16:20:42 <LoneStar99> sugardave: not sure what i need to change "for (var i in BasCookies.cookies)" to...
Jul 30 16:21:17 <hotdp> Is it still so that adds don't earn any money?
Jul 30 16:24:42 <sugardave> LoneStar99: i is just an iterator, so you don't need to change it, really....once your condition tests true, i is the cookie object that has the dough object which contains the property you are looking for
Jul 30 16:25:24 <LoneStar99> sugardave: so it should work as is?
Jul 30 16:25:28 <sugardave> yep
Jul 30 16:26:17 <LoneStar99> i get the following: [20100730-09:17:25.109080] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: BasCookies is not defined, app/assistants/out-assistant.js:102
Jul 30 16:27:10 <sugardave> that means it can't find your top-level object there...sure it's scoped properly?
Jul 30 16:27:59 <swisstomcat> got it to work, sugardave?
Jul 30 16:28:00 <LoneStar99> yeah I can save into the cookie without a problem'
Jul 30 16:28:10 <LoneStar99> on the same scene
Jul 30 16:28:13 <sugardave> swisstomcat: not yet, had my boss from RealJob pinging me
Jul 30 16:28:28 <swisstomcat> heh
Jul 30 16:29:09 <sugardave> LoneStar99: oh
Jul 30 16:29:10 <torchie> sup dawgs
Jul 30 16:29:15 <sugardave> it's BasCookie
Jul 30 16:29:25 <sugardave> always double-check what I type out by hand :P
Jul 30 16:30:59 <sugardave> swisstomcat: this is what I have in html: <div id="side1Button" class="smallbutton" x-mojo-element="Button"></div>
Jul 30 16:31:11 <sugardave> but I still get the big ugly one
Jul 30 16:31:23 <swisstomcat> oh
Jul 30 16:31:30 <swisstomcat> do you have the image in your images folder?
Jul 30 16:32:07 <LoneStar99> sugardave: lol, wow, would have never found that
Jul 30 16:32:09 <sugardave> perhaps not...if I use "palm-button small-button" I get the two button thing you were talking about
Jul 30 16:32:28 <Anivrom|pre> Hey torchie
Jul 30 16:33:26 <swisstomcat> You need to copy palm-button-small.png from /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/refcode/framework/347/images to your app's images directory
Jul 30 16:33:49 <sugardave> alright, let me mess with that
Jul 30 16:34:01 <swisstomcat> because i reference that image in the css
Jul 30 16:34:14 <swisstomcat> (../images/palm-button-small.png)
Jul 30 16:34:24 <sugardave> oh YOU added that CSS?
Jul 30 16:34:31 <sugardave> to your app?
Jul 30 16:34:39 <sugardave> or are relying on global css?
Jul 30 16:34:43 <LoneStar99> sugardave: [20100730-09:33:28.140699] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'city' of undefined, app/assistants/out-assistant.js:102
Jul 30 16:34:56 <swisstomcat> yeah, i copied it from global-button.css
Jul 30 16:35:06 <sugardave> LoneStar99: need another check because some of those objects are NOT cookies...hang on a sec
Jul 30 16:35:25 <sugardave> swisstomcat: ah, I see....I will make this work :D
Jul 30 16:36:16 <sugardave> for (var i in BasCookie.cookies) {if (i.dough && i.dough.city === 'San Diego') {//found it}};
Jul 30 16:36:24 <sugardave> LoneStar99: ^^^^  ought to get past it
Jul 30 16:36:48 <LoneStar99> sugardave ok let me try that new snippet
Jul 30 16:38:13 <swisstomcat> wouldn't a depot (or cupcake) work better for this?
Jul 30 16:40:18 <sugardave> swisstomcat: freaking awesome, man
Jul 30 16:40:21 <sugardave> thanks!
Jul 30 16:40:23 <swisstomcat> yeah!
Jul 30 16:40:30 <swisstomcat> i'll add it to webos101.com
Jul 30 16:40:34 <sugardave> indeed
Jul 30 16:40:48 <HattCzech_work> throw a picture in there, too ;)
Jul 30 16:41:07 <hotdp> picture
Jul 30 16:41:13 <Anivrom|pre> Can someone link me to a pic of this 'freakin awesome' button?
Jul 30 16:41:14 <swisstomcat> http://webos101.com/Button#Small_Button
Jul 30 16:41:42 <sugardave> now my spacing is all jacked up, but I can fix that :D
Jul 30 16:42:06 <LoneStar99> sugardave: http://pastebin.com/RWnda6j5
Jul 30 16:42:39 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  do not get any errors, but do not get the 'found it' sent to div...
Jul 30 16:43:23 <sugardave> hmmm
Jul 30 16:43:28 <dawm> haeffb, ping
Jul 30 16:44:04 <hotdp> i don't see the picture :(
Jul 30 16:44:14 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/button01.png
Jul 30 16:44:41 <Anivrom|pre> Wow nice
Jul 30 16:44:45 <hotdp> haha
Jul 30 16:45:05 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  very nice
Jul 30 16:45:09 <hotdp> does it change on dark-theme swisstomcat?
Jul 30 16:45:22 <swisstomcat> you probably have to adjust the css
Jul 30 16:45:35 <swisstomcat> it's just with bits taken from what's already there in the SDK
Jul 30 16:46:39 <sugardave> LoneStar99: http://pastebin.com/kJWT3fxZ  probably won't change, it's just separating the ifs, but see if it's logging that statement
Jul 30 16:46:49 <sugardave> hotdp: there is a dark version
Jul 30 16:46:54 <LoneStar99> how to -> on tap of <div> need to launch browser with "http://www.yahoo.com"
Jul 30 16:49:04 <sugardave> swisstomcat: yeah, it's just a pain for me to get set up for DOM viewing...stupid no Inspector
Jul 30 16:49:17 <sugardave> but, I will be using these buttons for sure :D
Jul 30 16:49:44 <swisstomcat> me too :)
Jul 30 16:50:05 <dawm> you can always make your own custom buttons
Jul 30 16:50:39 <sugardave> dawm: you don't know me very well :P
Jul 30 16:51:04 <dawm> lol its not hard
Jul 30 16:51:14 <Tibfib> custom buttons == win
Jul 30 16:51:14 <sugardave> but, it's true...I could technically make my own.  They would be insanely bad-looking
Jul 30 16:51:23 <Tibfib> what are we talking about?
Jul 30 16:51:39 <swisstomcat> Awesome small mojo button for your WebOS application: http://bit.ly/cszLN5
Jul 30 16:51:47 <swisstomcat> added an example
Jul 30 16:52:06 <dawm> i use custom buttons in the coke rewards app
Jul 30 16:52:18 <Tibfib> ooh. That might look better than the default buttons in my app
Jul 30 16:52:42 <dawm> but that example doesnt give tap feedback
Jul 30 16:52:54 <Tibfib> ah yeah. that's a must
Jul 30 16:53:10 <swisstomcat> yeah, you probably have to add .selected and .disabled to the css as well
Jul 30 16:53:38 <swisstomcat> oh, i see that those states are in global-buttons.css too
Jul 30 16:53:52 <Tibfib> I'm pretty sure that is the default button
Jul 30 16:54:05 <Tibfib> just do <button>hi</button> and it will look like that... i think
Jul 30 16:54:13 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jul 30 16:56:29 * Tibfib needs custom buttons
Jul 30 16:56:37 <Tibfib> and dialogs
Jul 30 16:56:49 <LoneStar99> sugardave: very weird no errors, but nothing is being passed....
Jul 30 16:56:55 <swisstomcat> and a custom car? :)
Jul 30 16:57:04 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: that would be nice :)
Jul 30 16:57:18 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jul 30 16:58:52 <Tibfib> oh I lied... the small button is a little different than the default <button> class
Jul 30 17:00:45 <sugardave> LoneStar99: are you seeing 'LOOKING AT A COOKIE' in the log?
Jul 30 17:00:55 <dkirker> 'morning everyone!
Jul 30 17:01:01 <sugardave> dkirker: hi hi
Jul 30 17:01:08 <dkirker> hi sugardave!
Jul 30 17:02:21 <LoneStar99> sugardave: nope
Jul 30 17:02:33 <Tibfib> dkirker: morning
Jul 30 17:02:48 <dkirker> good morning Tibfib!
Jul 30 17:03:02 <sugardave> now that is odd...that means that everything iterated does not have a 'dough' property...i.e. they aren't cookies :s
Jul 30 17:03:29 <LoneStar99> weird...
Jul 30 17:03:50 <dkirker> mmmmm.... coooookies....
Jul 30 17:04:34 <sugardave> hmmm can you .each() an object or just an array?
Jul 30 17:04:54 <sugardave> nvm
Jul 30 17:04:57 <sugardave> dumb question
Jul 30 17:05:31 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: you don't need to add the small button to your stuff
Jul 30 17:05:37 <dawm> you can do for (var key in Object) { var value = Object[name]; }
Jul 30 17:05:40 <Tibfib> just add the class "small-button" to your class
Jul 30 17:06:13 <sugardave> LoneStar99: http://pastebin.com/21sXAyb9
Jul 30 17:06:21 <sugardave> see if you get some cookie JSON strings in the log
Jul 30 17:06:31 <dawm> i hate when code works before i went to bed, and then doesnt when i wake up
Jul 30 17:06:38 <sugardave> dawm: that sucks, yes
Jul 30 17:06:58 <dawm> i had my twitter stuff working, but now its not heh
Jul 30 17:07:04 <sugardave> Tibfib: I tried that, but didn't work out too good
Jul 30 17:07:17 <Tibfib> sugardave: your selected class is messed up?
Jul 30 17:07:26 <Anivrom|pre> Or when you forget how your program even works...
Jul 30 17:07:34 <sugardave> Tibfib: I haven't gotten to the selected part yet
Jul 30 17:07:52 <Tibfib> sugardave: oh well the button itself worked perfectly just adding small-button to my class
Jul 30 17:08:01 <sugardave> hmm...will try again
Jul 30 17:08:04 <Tibfib> the selected part is screwed up... I may have a conflicting class or something
Jul 30 17:08:17 <Tibfib> I always do <button class='palm-button small-button' id='logout'>Log Out</button>
Jul 30 17:08:19 <Tibfib> for my buttons
Jul 30 17:08:49 <sugardave> if I do both of those classes, I get two buttons
Jul 30 17:08:58 <Tibfib> :/
Jul 30 17:09:01 <Tibfib> that's odd
Jul 30 17:09:11 <sugardave> yeah it is
Jul 30 17:09:16 <sugardave> oh
Jul 30 17:09:19 <Tibfib> conflicting class?
Jul 30 17:09:24 <sugardave> I'm using x-mojo-element, too
Jul 30 17:09:27 <sugardave> that's probably why
Jul 30 17:13:05 <LoneStar99> anyway to get container div ids of  a certain div?
Jul 30 17:14:24 <sugardave> ?
Jul 30 17:14:59 <LoneStar99> example: example  "<div id="first"><div id="second">hello world</div></div>"
Jul 30 17:15:18 <sugardave> and you want to get...?
Jul 30 17:15:35 <LoneStar99> trying  first id
Jul 30 17:16:03 <LoneStar99> that may be the work around to my cookie lookup issue
Jul 30 17:16:05 <sugardave> this.controller.get('first');
Jul 30 17:16:12 <sugardave> ?
Jul 30 17:17:05 <LoneStar99> sugardave: hmmm...  let me think , might be getting closer
Jul 30 17:17:14 <oilsworkn> you could always try...
Jul 30 17:17:14 <oilsworkn> http://api.prototypejs.org/dom/element/up/
Jul 30 17:17:52 <sugardave> oh, right...this.controller.get('second').up(); will get it from the child div
Jul 30 17:17:59 <oilsworkn> no
Jul 30 17:18:00 <oilsworkn> parent
Jul 30 17:18:05 <oilsworkn> up would get first
Jul 30 17:18:09 <sugardave> right
Jul 30 17:18:17 <sugardave> second is the child
Jul 30 17:18:23 <sugardave> up is the parent, first
Jul 30 17:18:42 <oilsworkn> right
Jul 30 17:18:48 <oilsworkn> assuming it works
Jul 30 17:18:54 <oilsworkn> (ive never tried it in a mojo app)
Jul 30 17:19:01 <sugardave> it should, I had to do it when I was playing with a gamefly app
Jul 30 17:19:16 <oilsworkn> i dont think the prototype stuff is multi-card save though
Jul 30 17:19:21 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: thanks, understand this site better http://www.prototypejs.org/api/element/up
Jul 30 17:19:24 <oilsworkn> if your app is nowindow
Jul 30 17:19:51 <sugardave> oilsworkn: that's beyond me :P  I'm still stuck in single-stage/single-card mode
Jul 30 17:19:52 <oilsworkn> LoneStar99: thats the old one
Jul 30 17:19:58 <Switchedgear> ahhh lunch
Jul 30 17:20:00 <oilsworkn> i dont know if that covers newer prototype stuff
Jul 30 17:20:09 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: I'm pretty sure it is just $ that isn't multi card safe
Jul 30 17:20:21 <oilsworkn> like i said, i dont know :)
Jul 30 17:20:28 <sugardave> WHAT?!?!
Jul 30 17:20:32 <sugardave> dammit, oil!
Jul 30 17:20:34 <oilsworkn> shocking i know
Jul 30 17:20:49 * oilsworkn tries to hide shame
Jul 30 17:21:31 <Switchedgear> can we talk about drinkin beer and fightin or somethin else?
Jul 30 17:21:47 <oilsworkn> this is #webos, not #drunkboxer
Jul 30 17:21:48 <dkirker> oil, I might... I might... [in fast voice] I might just have to kick you... :'(
Jul 30 17:22:07 <Switchedgear> lol oops wrong channel
Jul 30 17:22:14 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 17:22:16 <dkirker> lol
Jul 30 17:22:29 <oilsworkn> dkirker has power in #webos?
Jul 30 17:22:44 * oilsworkn knows who to run to now when someone needs a kickin' :)
Jul 30 17:22:48 <dkirker> oilsworkn: lol, sadly, yeah... :P
Jul 30 17:22:59 * dkirker is the founder :D
Jul 30 17:23:03 <oilsworkn> ah
Jul 30 17:23:08 <Switchedgear> no way
Jul 30 17:23:36 <Switchedgear> dbd founds everything
Jul 30 17:23:42 <Switchedgear> hehe
Jul 30 17:24:12 <Switchedgear> not in a humorous mood I guess?
Jul 30 17:24:26 <dkirker> I think the reference went over my head :(
Jul 30 17:24:40 <dkirker> please don't say it is from a movie
Jul 30 17:25:08 <Switchedgear> no movie and nevermind, too much splaining
Jul 30 17:25:18 <dkirker> okay! :)
Jul 30 17:25:39 <oilsworkn> isn't that the attention whore from precentral?
Jul 30 17:25:48 <Switchedgear> yes lmao
Jul 30 17:25:51 <hotdp> some one who know good documentation for "downloading" json or xml data and using some of the information?
Jul 30 17:25:55 <Switchedgear> you got it!
Jul 30 17:26:12 <sugardave> hotdp: JSON
Jul 30 17:26:15 <oilsworkn> downloading? like, not ajax?
Jul 30 17:26:18 <oilsworkn> like, to disk?
Jul 30 17:26:25 <hotdp> like i have an url
Jul 30 17:26:31 <hotdp> ajaxa reques ti guiss?
Jul 30 17:26:37 <hotdp> guess
Jul 30 17:26:39 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jul 30 17:26:43 <dkirker> Switchedgear: I must not read precentral enough then...
Jul 30 17:26:57 <sugardave> yes, ajax for sure...do you have control of the server?
Jul 30 17:27:00 <oilsworkn> http://api.prototypejs.org/ajax/ajax/request/
Jul 30 17:27:12 <Switchedgear> well just check the off topic section
Jul 30 17:27:32 <oilsworkn> dkirker: i know knew because that guy prefixes every thread with special characters so his stand out
Jul 30 17:27:39 <hotdp> i use request in some of my apps so know that. But don't have experience with using json (more then translations)
Jul 30 17:27:47 <oilsworkn> if i was a forum mod, i would have put and end to that a long time ago
Jul 30 17:27:56 <Switchedgear> yep he does
Jul 30 17:27:56 <dkirker> oilsworkn, Switchedgear: ah, that is the section I try to avoid. :) Too much politics and religion for my liking.
Jul 30 17:27:58 <oilsworkn> i know knew?
Jul 30 17:28:00 <oilsworkn> only knew*
Jul 30 17:28:31 <sugardave> hotdp: it's all about if responseJSON is set automatically by your request or not...if it is, it's super-simple to use, if it isn't, you just have to .evalJSON() the response
Jul 30 17:28:49 <oilsworkn> yeah, its crazy easy
Jul 30 17:28:54 <Switchedgear> ya keep the religion and politics just a place to post bs, the other sections are very informitive
Jul 30 17:29:01 <dkirker> lol
Jul 30 17:29:03 <hotdp> sugardave, how do i know if it is?
Jul 30 17:29:22 <sugardave> hotdp: so, however you check responseText, check for responseJSON
Jul 30 17:29:28 <sugardave> you can also try to force it
Jul 30 17:29:35 <oilsworkn> well, if responseJSON is not an object, use .evalJSON() on responseText
Jul 30 17:29:41 <sugardave> in your ajax request with 'evalJSON': 'force' property
Jul 30 17:29:47 <oilsworkn> yeah, that property
Jul 30 17:30:08 <sugardave> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
Jul 30 17:30:12 <sugardave> don't know why/when
Jul 30 17:30:12 <oilsworkn> http://api.prototypejs.org/ajax/ajax/response/prototype/responsejson/
Jul 30 17:30:14 <dkirker> I should get out of the off topic section before I die laughing and get in trouble at work...
Jul 30 17:30:20 <oilsworkn> sugardave: thats why :)
Jul 30 17:30:34 <oilsworkn> "The JSON body of the response if the Content-type of the request is set to application/json; null otherwise."
Jul 30 17:30:37 <Switchedgear> ya some funny stuff
Jul 30 17:30:48 <sugardave> oilsworkn: that's why it always works when I control the server :P
Jul 30 17:30:53 <oilsworkn> haha
Jul 30 17:31:08 <hotdp> aha
Jul 30 17:31:19 <haeffb_pre> dawm: : pong
Jul 30 17:31:24 <hotdp> So i can not look at the json and see what it is?
Jul 30 17:31:26 <dawm> ping
Jul 30 17:31:34 <haeffb_pre> belated pong
Jul 30 17:31:45 <sugardave> hotdp: sure you can...after evaling it or getting it, it's just a pojso
Jul 30 17:31:46 <hotdp> And the "easy" part, how do i use information from it?
Jul 30 17:32:04 <haeffb_pre> did you gte your cupcakes baked?
Jul 30 17:32:06 <dawm> what did ya want earler?
Jul 30 17:32:16 <sugardave> plain ol' javascript object
Jul 30 17:32:29 <dawm> yeah i got it figured out, altho i dont recall wtf i did to fix the problem
Jul 30 17:32:55 <sugardave> hotdp: let's say you get lucky and reponseJSON is set...you can do responseJSON.property or responseJSON[0].property, or...etc.
Jul 30 17:33:03 <haeffb_pre> probably undid whatever you did to break it
Jul 30 17:33:05 <sugardave> whatever format that object is, you can access it
Jul 30 17:33:11 <dawm> i wish retrieve would let you know if it didnt find anything, rather than just not doing anything
Jul 30 17:33:15 <oilsworkn> yeah, it depends on the json object
Jul 30 17:33:23 <oilsworkn> {foo:bar}
Jul 30 17:33:23 <dawm> oh yeah
Jul 30 17:33:25 <dawm> thats what i had to do
Jul 30 17:33:28 <oilsworkn> responseJSON.foo == bar
Jul 30 17:33:33 <haeffb_pre> good idea. fix it.
Jul 30 17:33:40 <dawm> i muxed with the retrieve so it wouldnt error
Jul 30 17:33:45 <hotdp> hmm so i have one line that says  <name>Hello</name>
Jul 30 17:33:51 <oilsworkn> thats xml, not json
Jul 30 17:33:55 <dawm> but that fix broke it when it returns nothing
Jul 30 17:33:58 <sugardave> hotdp: what oil said
Jul 30 17:34:02 <hotdp> ups that was xml
Jul 30 17:34:15 <oilsworkn> {name:'hello'} is json
Jul 30 17:34:29 <haeffb_pre> no it isnt
Jul 30 17:34:39 * oilsworkn stabs haeffb_pre 
Jul 30 17:34:43 <sugardave> {'name': 'hello'} -> responseJSON.name === 'hello'
Jul 30 17:34:56 <haeffb_pre> not that either
Jul 30 17:35:09 <haeffb_pre> JSON uses " "
Jul 30 17:35:15 <oilsworkn> json doesn't care
Jul 30 17:35:31 <sugardave> hmmm
Jul 30 17:35:33 <oilsworkn> not that ive noticed anyways
Jul 30 17:35:35 * haeffb_pre gasps out with his final breath...
Jul 30 17:35:44 * Tibfib finished off haeffb_pre
Jul 30 17:35:49 <hotdp> so i have to right .<property> to get value?
Jul 30 17:35:53 <hotdp> write*
Jul 30 17:35:54 <Tibfib> finishes... whatever
Jul 30 17:35:58 <Tibfib> hotdp: yep
Jul 30 17:36:03 <sugardave> I think haeffb_pre is right...PHP json_encode wraps in "
Jul 30 17:36:06 <haeffb_pre> javascript objects don't care
Jul 30 17:36:06 <oilsworkn> haeffb_pre: http://www.json.org/javadoc/org/json/JSONObject.html
Jul 30 17:36:09 <hotdp> Is JSON better then XML for webos?
Jul 30 17:36:12 <Tibfib> yes
Jul 30 17:36:15 <oilsworkn> "Strings may be quoted with ' (single quote)."
Jul 30 17:36:30 <Tibfib> where's dekan?
Jul 30 17:36:30 <sugardave> hotdp: IMO JSON is better
Jul 30 17:36:52 <sugardave> but if you already know XML (I didn't/don't), it might be better for you
Jul 30 17:36:53 <oilsworkn> json is a dream to use, where xml is a battle
Jul 30 17:37:08 <oilsworkn> json "just works"
Jul 30 17:37:13 <oilsworkn> :)
Jul 30 17:37:20 <Tibfib> +1
Jul 30 17:37:26 <hotdp> It should be JSON so i hope it is ok
Jul 30 17:37:49 <sugardave> hotdp: if you want to see what all the top-level properties are, you can do: console.log(Object.toJSON(responseJSON)); or similar
Jul 30 17:38:00 <hotdp> ahh
Jul 30 17:38:01 <hotdp> thanks
Jul 30 17:38:06 <sugardave> and it will string it out
Jul 30 17:38:17 <hotdp> hmm
Jul 30 17:38:26 <Tibfib> or just log responseText
Jul 30 17:38:42 <sugardave> Tibfib: I guess that works, too :D
Jul 30 17:39:04 <hotdp> i would like to have my ajax code verified :P
Jul 30 17:39:11 <sugardave> paste it up
Jul 30 17:40:16 <dawm> oh em gee!
Jul 30 17:40:30 <dawm> my twitter auth is uber now
Jul 30 17:40:31 <oilsworkn> wirc!
Jul 30 17:40:48 <hotdp> pastebin something something?
Jul 30 17:40:49 <dawm> haeffb_pre, i fixed cupcakes
Jul 30 17:40:55 <dawm> it has a flaw
Jul 30 17:40:56 <sugardave> hotdp: webos.pastebin.com
Jul 30 17:41:08 <haeffb-pre> yay!
Jul 30 17:41:16 <Tibfib> dawm: nice, you should webos101 it :)
Jul 30 17:41:17 <haeffb-pre> what was the flaw?
Jul 30 17:41:48 <hotdp> http://webos.pastebin.com/Hbwf4Ps7
Jul 30 17:41:58 <dawm> on a retrieve, if it doesnt retrieve anything it still tries to evalJSON on a non-existing object
Jul 30 17:42:13 <hotdp> That is my "normal" request
Jul 30 17:42:17 <dawm> for the callback
Jul 30 17:42:46 <dawm> so it shoots out an error, i just added a check to see if it needs to be eval'd
Jul 30 17:43:11 * haeffb-pre wonders why oil references a java class...
Jul 30 17:43:16 <Anivrom|pre> What's the flaw in cupcakes? I use them
Jul 30 17:43:26 * oilsworkn noticed that as well
Jul 30 17:43:29 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 17:43:46 <hotdp> What do i need to add to my code before it is JSON ready :D
Jul 30 17:43:48 <dawm> i used the code from webos101, and i get an error when i dont have anything in the cupcake to retrieve
Jul 30 17:43:52 <sugardave> hotdp: man, you are thorough :P  but, add this: http://webos.pastebin.com/jFeqaPS1
Jul 30 17:44:14 <haeffb-pre> the biggest flaw is that Depot is just as simple and is probably less error-prone
Jul 30 17:44:21 <hotdp> that will make it work anyway?
Jul 30 17:44:31 * oilsworkn has never put that many onXXX in his ajax requests
Jul 30 17:44:33 <oilsworkn> but, im damn lazy
Jul 30 17:44:49 <Tibfib> they are never called anyway... at least in my experience
Jul 30 17:44:56 <sugardave> hotdp: that ajax request looks standard/working, just add that "in case"
Jul 30 17:45:01 <dawm> and i was getting an index error as well which i also fixed
Jul 30 17:45:09 <Tibfib> onSuccess and onComplete are the only ones that have ever occured for me...
Jul 30 17:45:11 <sugardave> it doesn't hurt anything, and might end up with responseJSON being set for you automatically
Jul 30 17:45:21 <dawm> soo with that, is anyone in here using the cupcakes object from webos101?
Jul 30 17:45:26 <sugardave> its' hard to get an onFailure
Jul 30 17:45:31 <Tibfib> dawm: link?
Jul 30 17:45:33 <oilsworkn> cupcakes object?
Jul 30 17:45:40 <sugardave> you know shit is really wrong if you hit 'onFailure'
Jul 30 17:45:41 <Anivrom|pre> Oh so all the depot haters are converting once they actually tried using it? Haha
Jul 30 17:45:41 <hotdp> Tibfib also here.. but have the other ones "just in case" :P
Jul 30 17:45:57 <oilsworkn> cupcakes and objects are relevant to my interests...
Jul 30 17:46:03 <Anivrom|pre> I am dawm
Jul 30 17:46:08 <dawm> Anivrom|pre, nope, i just figured id try out cupcakes
Jul 30 17:46:09 <sugardave> no
Jul 30 17:46:11 <sugardave> you are Anivrom|pre
Jul 30 17:46:21 <Tibfib> sugardave: from what I've heard, we are using a old version of prototype which doesn't report "no connection" as a failure
Jul 30 17:46:25 * oilsworkn will forever hate depot
Jul 30 17:46:35 * Tibfib will never use depot
Jul 30 17:46:39 <oilsworkn> !
Jul 30 17:46:42 * oilsworkn wants it on a shirt!
Jul 30 17:46:43 <sugardave> Tibfib: ah, that would explain it
Jul 30 17:47:01 * haeffb-pre uses depot instead of cookies
Jul 30 17:47:04 <dawm> Anivrom|pre, when i havent added anything to the db, i get errors when trying to retrieve the data (since it doesnt exist yet)
Jul 30 17:47:07 <oilsworkn> cookies > depot
Jul 30 17:47:09 <hotdp> sugardave, so was i get back is a JSON object?
Jul 30 17:47:10 <dawm> you encounter that?
Jul 30 17:47:14 <hotdp> *what
Jul 30 17:47:20 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: but cookies die a lot.
Jul 30 17:47:24 <Anivrom|pre> Not yet.
Jul 30 17:47:26 <Anivrom|pre> I
Jul 30 17:47:28 <sugardave> hotdp: if the server will return its response as a JSON string, yeah
Jul 30 17:47:31 * oilsworkn never sees his cookies die
Jul 30 17:47:35 <haeffb-pre> my cookies got too big
Jul 30 17:47:37 <dawm> http://webos101.com/SQLite_Cookie_Replacement
Jul 30 17:47:47 <hotdp> What if not? :)
Jul 30 17:47:56 <sugardave> then, sadly, no
Jul 30 17:47:58 <Anivrom|pre> Mind you I would have only encountered it once when I first started using the object
Jul 30 17:48:09 <dawm> ahh
Jul 30 17:48:12 <Anivrom|pre> Since I haven't added any sql db's since then
Jul 30 17:48:17 <dawm> yeah it went away once i added somethign to it
Jul 30 17:48:46 <dawm> ill apply these fixes to webos101 then
Jul 30 17:49:00 <dawm> its just some extra checks on the retrieve function
Jul 30 17:49:04 <Anivrom|pre> Ok
Jul 30 17:49:39 <oilsworkn> when i want my data, async just gets in the way
Jul 30 17:49:57 <hotdp> Is JSON "fast" ?
Jul 30 17:50:09 * haeffb-pre doesn't add checks for errors until I get 'em
Jul 30 17:50:51 <spdsktr> oilsworkn: you can still do synch data, a PITA, but works...
Jul 30 17:51:07 <sugardave> hotdp: faster than what?
Jul 30 17:51:10 <oilsworkn> with sqlite?
Jul 30 17:51:11 <haeffb-pre> "Oh. I should have checked for that condition!"
Jul 30 17:51:27 <spdsktr> onSuccess (many nested ones), but yeah
Jul 30 17:51:27 <sugardave> haeffb-pre: stop stealing my programming method
Jul 30 17:51:28 <hotdp> Fast like, it is good to use as source.
Jul 30 17:51:36 <oilsworkn> well
Jul 30 17:51:39 <oilsworkn> yeah, thats a pain
Jul 30 17:51:41 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 17:51:42 <spdsktr> I had to develop a synch method for a data caching system I did in FlashCards v3.
Jul 30 17:51:57 <sugardave> hotdp: yeah, it's pretty fast, I think
Jul 30 17:51:59 <oilsworkn> but its still technically async
Jul 30 17:52:01 <spdsktr> yes, a PITA, but works :) mine does really well actually
Jul 30 17:52:07 <oilsworkn> just your function is nested
Jul 30 17:52:11 <dawm> Anivrom|pre, heres the DIFF  http://www.pastie.org/1067413
Jul 30 17:52:11 <spdsktr> technically, yes, asynch
Jul 30 17:52:11 <oilsworkn> making the code harder to read xD
Jul 30 17:52:19 <hotdp> Thanks everyone, i give it a try and complain when it does not work :P
Jul 30 17:52:25 <spdsktr> my code is beautiful thank you very much *grin*
Jul 30 17:52:35 <sugardave> hotdp: good luck
Jul 30 17:52:38 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 17:53:07 <haeffb-pre> beauty is in the eye of the beerholder
Jul 30 17:53:19 <oilsworkn> hybrids allowing you to call methods sync = win
Jul 30 17:53:23 <spdsktr> and only UI deep?
Jul 30 17:53:36 <oilsworkn> well, unless others are looking at your code
Jul 30 17:53:49 <Anivrom|pre> You guys need to talk slower cause when I come out of my clients you're already 20 pages down
Jul 30 17:53:56 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 17:54:08 * oilsworkn needs to add "go to last viewed message" to wirc
Jul 30 17:54:16 <oilsworkn> i find myself scrolling up looking for that bookmark line all the time
Jul 30 17:54:31 <dawm> actually.. haeffb-pre http://webos101.com/wiki/index.php?title=SQLite_Cookie_Replacement&diff=2104&oldid=2096
Jul 30 17:56:08 * oilsworkn blames death of channel on Anivrom|pre
Jul 30 17:57:09 <dawm> how do i get the name of a function (for exporting debugging)
Jul 30 17:57:20 <Anivrom|pre> Yay
Jul 30 17:57:28 <Anivrom|pre> I gladly take the blame
Jul 30 17:57:29 <haeffb-pre> man, remember three minutes ago when this place was rockin'?
Jul 30 17:57:43 <dawm> haeffb,  i fixed you're broke code :P
Jul 30 17:58:04 <Anivrom|pre> Show off
Jul 30 17:58:05 <haeffb-pre> awesome!
Jul 30 17:58:53 <haeffb-pre> code wasn't broke, implementation was wrong...
Jul 30 17:59:24 <Anivrom|pre> Lol
Jul 30 17:59:32 <dawm> ok it was broke on first run with no inserted data, otherwise it worked perfectly
Jul 30 17:59:39 <dawm> http://snipplr.com/all/language/javascript  <-- ooh
Jul 30 17:59:57 <Anivrom|pre> How many programers does it take to screw in a lightbulb: None, that's a hardware issue. LOL
Jul 30 18:00:16 <dkirker> Anivrom|pre: LOL
Jul 30 18:01:52 <Anivrom|pre> Shh he's here.
Jul 30 18:01:57 <Anivrom|pre> Oh hai b3ll
Jul 30 18:02:06 <b3ll> aloha
Jul 30 18:02:17 <b3ll> I have wirc now :D
Jul 30 18:02:26 * Anivrom|pre snickers
Jul 30 18:02:35 <b3ll> no u
Jul 30 18:03:06 <Anivrom|pre> I know you are but what am I?
Jul 30 18:03:11 <Anivrom|pre> A garbage man
Jul 30 18:03:31 <b3ll> too bad for u
Jul 30 18:03:38 <b3ll> I'm taking out the trash
Jul 30 18:04:07 <Anivrom|pre> Did everyone miss the simpsons reference?
Jul 30 18:05:52 <Anivrom|pre> The sliding on my pre has been acting up lately. Sticking and such, anyone relate?
Jul 30 18:06:01 <Anivrom|pre> I've only had it for  weeks or so
Jul 30 18:06:02 <b3ll> yea mine too
Jul 30 18:06:06 <b3ll> and its new
Jul 30 18:06:22 <b3ll> don't push down on it
Jul 30 18:06:25 <Anivrom|pre> I'm hopin that qualifies for warranty
Jul 30 18:06:35 <b3ll> and slide it a lot of times
Jul 30 18:06:58 <oilsworkn> wirc FTW
Jul 30 18:07:08 <dawm> bah
Jul 30 18:07:23 <b3ll> indeed
Jul 30 18:07:29 <dawm> im glad onFailure is working.. but i wish it wasnt ;p
Jul 30 18:07:36 <oilsworkn> haha
Jul 30 18:07:43 <b3ll> oilsworkn how do you open another channel window?
Jul 30 18:07:50 <oilsworkn>  /j #channel
Jul 30 18:07:59 <dawm> log output cannot handle the responseText
Jul 30 18:08:09 <b3ll> nono lol I know that
Jul 30 18:08:21 <b3ll> can you not do it in the gui tho?
Jul 30 18:08:25 <oilsworkn> uh
Jul 30 18:08:26 <Anivrom|pre> ...
Jul 30 18:08:31 <oilsworkn> from server-status
Jul 30 18:08:35 <Anivrom|pre> Lol
Jul 30 18:08:35 <oilsworkn> tap on the server name in the main scene
Jul 30 18:08:41 <oilsworkn> in the app menu, there is a join channel, i believe
Jul 30 18:08:47 * oilsworkn never uses it xD
Jul 30 18:08:49 <haeffb-pre> .innerHTML=
Jul 30 18:09:11 <sugardave> dawm: what were you asking about function names?
Jul 30 18:09:12 <dawm> yah, im trying to figure out how to get to my scene controller
Jul 30 18:09:33 <dawm> i was wondering how you get the function name in string
Jul 30 18:09:45 <haeffb-pre> pass it to the fcn
Jul 30 18:09:45 <dawm> i found a snipplet but its not worth it, it was just for debugging
Jul 30 18:09:50 <sugardave> the function you are running?
Jul 30 18:10:04 <haeffb-pre> the controller I mean
Jul 30 18:10:07 <dawm> no a callback, was gonna output in the log which callback was being called
Jul 30 18:10:11 <b3ll> oh nvm I got it
Jul 30 18:10:12 <dawm> but its not needed
Jul 30 18:10:27 <b3ll> I was looking at the wrong menu :p
Jul 30 18:10:50 <oilsworkn> yeah, there is a bunch of menus
Jul 30 18:11:15 <dawm> sugardave, http://snipplr.com/view/12491/get-function-name/
Jul 30 18:11:26 <dawm> that will give you a var with the passed function's name
Jul 30 18:11:53 <torchie> palm has a github account!?
Jul 30 18:11:57 <dawm> yah
Jul 30 18:12:41 <sugardave> dawm: yeah, that hurts
Jul 30 18:12:44 * oilsworkn assumes b3ll|pre is on 030
Jul 30 18:13:02 <b3ll|pre> indeed
Jul 30 18:13:14 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:13:29 <sugardave> is that why it says wicer?
Jul 30 18:13:35 <b3ll|pre> how do you know?
Jul 30 18:13:44 <oilsworkn> it says wircer because he didn't change the username field in server-setup
Jul 30 18:13:46 <dawm> how do i get the active scene's this.controller ?
Jul 30 18:13:49 <oilsworkn> if its blank, it defaults to wircer
Jul 30 18:13:54 <sugardave> but, it's not
Jul 30 18:13:57 <oilsworkn> i know because you had a part message of "wIRC"
Jul 30 18:14:01 <oilsworkn> which wasn't in 024
Jul 30 18:14:17 * Tibfib is tired of waiting for 1.4.5
Jul 30 18:14:30 <oilsworkn> :/
Jul 30 18:14:32 * b3ll|pre has 1.4.5 :)
Jul 30 18:14:32 <swisstomcat> tibfib: i tried to just add "small-button" but it didn't really work
Jul 30 18:14:36 <sugardave> typo in the default user name
Jul 30 18:14:38 <sugardave> heh
Jul 30 18:14:40 <haeffb-pre> sugardave: answer dawm
Jul 30 18:14:44 <Anivrom|pre> That's why I love palm. They're so down to earth. I bet apple doesn't use github, they created their own proprietary version tracking system called iSource and try and push it on all other developers within apple claiming 'its the future of version contro
Jul 30 18:14:44 <Anivrom|pre> l'
Jul 30 18:14:55 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: did you do <button class='palm-button small-button'>hi</button>?
Jul 30 18:15:00 <sugardave> dawm: many ways I like the long way
Jul 30 18:15:04 <dawm> Mojo.Controller.StageController.activeScene() ? cause that dont work
Jul 30 18:15:15 <swisstomcat> yeah tibfib
Jul 30 18:15:21 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().activeScene();
Jul 30 18:15:23 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: worked here... :/
Jul 30 18:15:24 <sugardave> guaranteed
Jul 30 18:15:24 <haeffb-pre> dawm: I would pass the controller to the function
Jul 30 18:15:36 <spdsktr> Tibfib: I have 1.4.5 already :)
Jul 30 18:15:36 <dawm> haeffb, its just for debugging, its not required
Jul 30 18:15:48 * oilsworkn passes scene assistant to his objects all the time
Jul 30 18:15:53 <oilsworkn> it makes things so much more easier
Jul 30 18:15:56 <dawm> need to know why my tweet ajax is failing, and their output is html so its bloated
Jul 30 18:16:02 <Tibfib> spdsktr: I may have to doctor to it... :/
Jul 30 18:16:19 <dawm> wow
Jul 30 18:16:20 <oilsworkn> if i knew it was going to take this long for sprint to get it i would have doctored a long time ago
Jul 30 18:16:24 <spdsktr> Tibfib: ;) early access has it's perks and it's downside
Jul 30 18:16:31 <dawm> twitter 404 looks really nice
Jul 30 18:16:36 <dawm> in my scene
Jul 30 18:16:37 <haeffb-pre> I would have a month ago if I'd only known...
Jul 30 18:16:46 <Tibfib> haeffb-pre: me too
Jul 30 18:16:55 <Anivrom|pre> Oil. This nondisplaying new messages glitch is getting very annoying
Jul 30 18:16:57 <swisstomcat> hey spdsktr
Jul 30 18:17:09 <Tibfib> I don't feel like transferring all my 6gb of music for the umpteenth time
Jul 30 18:17:09 <spdsktr> yeah, I know...
Jul 30 18:17:16 <oilsworkn> nondisplaying new messages?
Jul 30 18:17:37 <haeffb-pre> you lose /media /internal ?
Jul 30 18:17:42 <Tibfib> OH wait
Jul 30 18:17:42 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: doesn't post 135 doctors retain the /media/internal?
Jul 30 18:17:44 <Tibfib> do you?
Jul 30 18:17:46 <haeffb-pre> bummer
Jul 30 18:17:46 <Tibfib> HAH!
Jul 30 18:17:50 <Tibfib> I forgot
Jul 30 18:17:55 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:17:59 <Tibfib> I may have to upgrade then... save/restore ftw!
Jul 30 18:18:18 <Anivrom|pre> I told you about it the other day and you said ' find another working case and maybe... Just maybe, I'll value you as a human being and consider looking into the issue' .. Paraphrasing ofc
Jul 30 18:18:43 <Tibfib> I bet 1.4.5 will come out when I doctor to it
Jul 30 18:18:50 <oilsworkn> oh
Jul 30 18:18:53 <haeffb-pre> do it!!!
Jul 30 18:19:04 <Tibfib> sorry for the hold-up guys
Jul 30 18:19:07 * oilsworkn gets confused as to who asked questions about which project
Jul 30 18:19:11 <oilsworkn> its a lot to keep straight!
Jul 30 18:19:29 <oilsworkn> however
Jul 30 18:19:36 <haeffb-pre> oilsworkn should do less projects
Jul 30 18:19:37 <oilsworkn> i do need to be able to repeat it to be able to debug/fix it
Jul 30 18:19:47 <Anivrom|pre> That's why palm created the wondefully 'adequate' tasks app
Jul 30 18:19:56 * Tibfib uses done!
Jul 30 18:20:06 <Anivrom|pre> "adequate"
Jul 30 18:20:13 <oilsworkn> see, then i spend all my time typing in crap though
Jul 30 18:20:29 <oilsworkn> and 99% of the time, its not important xD
Jul 30 18:20:35 <oilsworkn> not to say your problem isn't
Jul 30 18:20:37 <Anivrom|pre> :O
Jul 30 18:20:48 * Anivrom|pre is offended
Jul 30 18:20:55 * haeffb-pre uses GetItDoneApp.com
Jul 30 18:21:08 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:21:38 <oilsworkn> is it really too much to ask for a repeatable test case?
Jul 30 18:21:46 <haeffb-pre> no, wait, I meant done!
Jul 30 18:21:58 * oilsworkn thought that was standard bug-posting procedure
Jul 30 18:22:17 <oilsworkn> "its broke, it don't work, fix it" doesn't help much
Jul 30 18:22:39 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: you should say "well it's open source... feel free to fix it"
Jul 30 18:22:57 <oilsworkn> thats what rwhitby always says "patches welcome :)"
Jul 30 18:23:18 <oilsworkn> but thats more complicated then a repeatable test case
Jul 30 18:23:30 <oilsworkn> wircs code is massive
Jul 30 18:23:50 <halfhalo_T400> massivly crap!
Jul 30 18:23:56 <oilsworkn> easily larger then preware and govnah combined
Jul 30 18:24:44 <oilsworkn> 36 *-assistant.js files xD
Jul 30 18:25:32 <halfhalo_T400> and 35 of those are useless!
Jul 30 18:25:42 <oilsworkn> well
Jul 30 18:25:48 <oilsworkn> two of them i dont think are pushed anywhere, lol
Jul 30 18:26:13 <Anivrom|pre> Well notice I never ask you to fix it the second time. Just stated that it was annoying :)
Jul 30 18:28:30 <Tibfib> sheeshhh, 36? Why would you need that many?
Jul 30 18:29:25 <oilsworkn> well, i dont want it to be annoying anyone
Jul 30 18:29:31 <oilsworkn> so naturally im interrested in fixing it
Jul 30 18:30:03 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=tree;f=app/assistants;h=b6bb549ae3175467b6d7270d3686fd2be91af9e8;hb=HEAD
Jul 30 18:30:16 <oilsworkn> to be fair, 8 of them are preferences scenes
Jul 30 18:30:28 <oilsworkn> since we can never agree on how something should work, so we make it an option
Jul 30 18:31:57 * Anivrom|pre is sleepy
Jul 30 18:32:31 <oilsworkn> Anivrom|pre should be writing up directions for repeating the bug :)
Jul 30 18:32:47 <Tibfib> dawm: what's ailium?
Jul 30 18:32:58 <dawm> something
Jul 30 18:32:59 <dawm> :X
Jul 30 18:33:01 <Anivrom|pre> I'm trying to repeat it. It happens so randomly
Jul 30 18:33:24 <Tibfib> hah, a twitter app or a game?
Jul 30 18:33:31 <dawm> a game
Jul 30 18:33:35 <Tibfib> nice
Jul 30 18:33:42 <Tibfib> is it that one money game?
Jul 30 18:33:57 <Tibfib> (clone of the money game)
Jul 30 18:33:57 <Anivrom|pre> Both. It uses twitter to xommunicate ingame events
Jul 30 18:34:00 <dawm> yah
Jul 30 18:36:05 * Anivrom|pre is listening to 80's rock on a worn out cassette
Jul 30 18:36:23 <Anivrom|pre> Classic
Jul 30 18:36:35 <oilsworkn> lol @ cassette
Jul 30 18:36:48 <Anivrom|pre> Yea baby
Jul 30 18:37:50 <Anivrom|pre> Recorded by my mom in the 80's and listened to for 20 years. Lost it about a year ago and just found in my glove comp.
Jul 30 18:38:01 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:38:19 <dkirker> cassette?! what's a cassette? :P
Jul 30 18:38:40 <oilsworkn> its before cd
Jul 30 18:39:14 <oilsworkn> but after vinyl
Jul 30 18:39:26 <oilsworkn> i took my cousin home the other day
Jul 30 18:39:36 <oilsworkn> he didn't know how to roll down the window in my car
Jul 30 18:39:40 <dkirker> I remember having a small cassette tape recorder as a kid. My parents gave it to me. :)
Jul 30 18:39:42 <oilsworkn> didn't know wtf the handle was for
Jul 30 18:39:49 <dkirker> ... WHAT?!
Jul 30 18:39:53 <oilsworkn> crazy, i know
Jul 30 18:39:59 <sugardave> oilsworkn: oh noes
Jul 30 18:40:01 <sugardave> that's horrible
Jul 30 18:40:16 <Tibfib> lol
Jul 30 18:40:18 <sugardave> I prefer manual windows, in case I have to ditch in the water
Jul 30 18:40:22 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:41:16 <sugardave> "that's why they call it 'rolling down the window'"
Jul 30 18:41:21 <oilsworkn> haha
Jul 30 18:41:22 <haeffb-pre> sugardave: that's why I carry a 9mm in the glove box
Jul 30 18:41:31 <oilsworkn> Anivrom|pre: maybe egaudet will hunt down your random wirc bug :)
Jul 30 18:41:52 <egaudet> wirc has no bugs
Jul 30 18:41:56 <sugardave> haeffb-pre: the more ways out, the better :D
Jul 30 18:42:03 <dkirker> That's why there is a heavy jack in the back of the van :)
Jul 30 18:42:15 <oilsworkn> egaudet: good response :)
Jul 30 18:42:30 <Anivrom|pre> Maybe its a R.U.B?
Jul 30 18:42:34 <haeffb-pre> plus the 9 is more versatile than the window crank
Jul 30 18:42:53 <Anivrom|pre> Retarded user bug
Jul 30 18:42:58 <sugardave> yeah, you can't open a can of beans with a window crank
Jul 30 18:43:11 <egaudet> :P
Jul 30 18:43:30 <Anivrom|pre> Retarded users are able to generate bugs in code that actually aren't there
Jul 30 18:43:30 <sugardave> and you can't take the window crank with you when you exit the vehicle
Jul 30 18:43:39 * dkirker pulls the crank off of the door. *whack* *whack* *whack*
Jul 30 18:43:43 <oilsworkn> yeah you can
Jul 30 18:43:47 <sugardave> heh
Jul 30 18:43:47 * oilsworkn has the "special tool"
Jul 30 18:43:53 <oilsworkn> that takes out the pin
Jul 30 18:43:58 <sugardave> I hated that tool
Jul 30 18:44:10 <sugardave> I had to replace my crank about 20 times in high school
Jul 30 18:44:22 <oilsworkn> my window got stuck down a few months ago
Jul 30 18:44:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:44:44 <Anivrom|pre> I hate it cause I have to take it out to ge to my speakers in the side panel
Jul 30 18:44:49 <oilsworkn> ah
Jul 30 18:45:05 <oilsworkn> i used to drive a 71 chevy truck
Jul 30 18:45:22 <oilsworkn> my speakers were just magnetized to the door
Jul 30 18:45:26 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:45:27 <sugardave> haha
Jul 30 18:45:34 <sugardave> ka-chunk!
Jul 30 18:45:45 <oilsworkn> they stayed in place pretty good
Jul 30 18:46:05 <oilsworkn> until i accidentially smashed it into a couple of telephone poles
Jul 30 18:46:07 <sugardave> my step-dad's monte carlo was like that before I got new speakers for it
Jul 30 18:46:33 <sugardave> in the back, he had the door cut-outs in the way of the window crank for the front
Jul 30 18:46:52 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 18:49:06 <LoneStar99> monte carlo nice! what year?
Jul 30 18:50:06 <oilsworkn> well, irc has surved its purpose and killed time
Jul 30 18:50:15 <oilsworkn> (no thanks to Anivrom|pre who kept trying to kill it)
Jul 30 18:50:23 <oilsworkn> now its time for lunch
Jul 30 18:50:29 <Anivrom|pre> :(
Jul 30 18:51:51 <Anivrom|pre> Loves the magnetic dropouts and large chunks of songs missing due to splicing the cassette tape when it got jammed from ages past
Jul 30 18:51:56 <sugardave> 1977, we replaced the transmission support with one from a 1974 and swapped the manifold/single exhaust with some headers/dual exhausts
Jul 30 18:52:00 <sugardave> I loved driving that car
Jul 30 18:52:12 <sugardave> fastest land yacht at my school
Jul 30 18:52:50 <sugardave> that car was so big that I took my driving test in my mom's mini-van so I could parallel park easier :D
Jul 30 18:53:00 <Anivrom|pre> Ha
Jul 30 18:53:04 <swisstomcat> you americans and your big cars
Jul 30 18:53:19 <sugardave> swisstomcat: for me, the operative word was "free"
Jul 30 18:53:33 <sugardave> it just happened to be big muscle, as well :D
Jul 30 18:53:40 <LoneStar99> sugardave: awesome ride!
Jul 30 18:54:03 <LoneStar99> sugardav: lol
Jul 30 18:54:23 <sugardave> it had "air shocks" in the rear...you could drop the license plate and jack with the air pressure to raise or lower the back-end
Jul 30 18:54:30 <hotdp> swisstomcat, don't say anything bad about big cars. It is one of my attractions when i am in USA, rent a corvette or ect.
Jul 30 18:54:43 <sugardave> so, I could make it low-ride or hot-rod style depending on my mood
Jul 30 18:54:58 <swisstomcat> hotdp: i was just teasing them .. i quite like them too :)
Jul 30 18:55:03 <hotdp> hehe
Jul 30 18:55:27 <hotdp> i think eu people envy it
Jul 30 18:56:23 * swisstomcat was driving a smart car .. hehe
Jul 30 18:57:01 <haeffb-pre> I had a 72 Lemans GT with air shocks
Jul 30 18:57:41 <sugardave> oh, that's nice...I'd like to get an old Pontiac some day
Jul 30 18:57:42 <swisstomcat> i'd take an old mustang
Jul 30 18:58:15 <haeffb-pre> was my first car. second was a 76 Trans Am
Jul 30 18:58:47 <haeffb-pre> but I always lusted after the 69 mustang
Jul 30 18:58:49 * sugardave imagines haeffb-pre with the Burt Reynolds 'stache.
Jul 30 18:59:18 <swisstomcat> heh
Jul 30 18:59:27 <haeffb-pre> lol I couldn't grow a 'stache when I was 17
Jul 30 18:59:31 <hotdp> pt i own this one http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/redscrpion/images/PictureTune/VwLupo-Original.jpg it nok like an USA car :D
Jul 30 19:00:14 <LoneStar99> sugardave: nice..  primp my ride!
Jul 30 19:00:37 <haeffb-pre> the TA was badass, though. until I blew the engine coming home at 6am from our graduation party
Jul 30 19:01:04 <swisstomcat> what was the "dukes of hazzard"  car?
Jul 30 19:01:19 <haeffb-pre> speedometer went to 120 and I had it past 0
Jul 30 19:01:22 <sugardave> dodge charger, I think
Jul 30 19:01:45 <LoneStar99> on the home the home stretch just need to syncronize friend list with online folks....
Jul 30 19:02:41 <SimpsonTP> hi all
Jul 30 19:02:44 <haeffb-pre> racing my buddy in his Firebird after an all-night drunken celebration..those were the days
Jul 30 19:02:46 <hotdp> hi
Jul 30 19:02:50 <LoneStar99> hellp
Jul 30 19:02:56 <swisstomcat> general lee, 1969
Jul 30 19:03:11 <haeffb-pre> Tibfib: ignore what I just said.
Jul 30 19:03:37 <sugardave> those were the days when there were less people around to kill, Tibfib
Jul 30 19:04:11 <sugardave> damn growing population has ruined all the fun we used to have as kids :P
Jul 30 19:04:22 <SimpsonTP> is there a way to catagorize contacts ?
Jul 30 19:04:32 * Anivrom|pre just bought new drumsticks. Yay, no more mismatching
Jul 30 19:05:57 <LoneStar99> yeah, damn  global warming and child labor
Jul 30 19:09:18 <dawm> man im retarded
Jul 30 19:09:24 <jim_dandy> Hey folks! If I instal bluez in a debian chroot, will the HID profile work?
Jul 30 19:09:30 <dawm> been trying to figure out an error and its been staring at me in the face..
Jul 30 19:09:41 <dawm> error: Incorrect signature
Jul 30 19:09:51 <sugardave> dawm: DOH!
Jul 30 19:09:51 <Tibfib> oh the joys of debugging
Jul 30 19:10:07 <dawm> i just wasnt looking at the emulator ;p
Jul 30 19:10:10 <sugardave> that signature shit pisses me off because I am so bad at it
Jul 30 19:10:20 <Anivrom|pre> I had the same problem the other day. DrawImage is not a method of object.
Jul 30 19:10:56 * Tibfib always runs http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ logs don't get past me :)
Jul 30 19:11:08 <Anivrom|pre> Took me an hour of fiddling to realize I had a this when I could have left it blank.
Jul 30 19:11:59 <Anivrom|pre> Funny thing is if I would have actually read the error properly I woulda realized what the bug was
Jul 30 19:14:34 <Anivrom|pre> I need a timmies to keep me awake here. Can I get a witness b3ll
Jul 30 19:22:56 <Anivrom|pre> b3ll: lets go for some tims
Jul 30 19:24:01 <b3ll> Anivrom|pre : alright come down to london
Jul 30 19:24:37 <Anivrom|pre> No you come here. I promise I'll buy. Sounds fair rigt?
Jul 30 19:25:51 <b3ll> too far
Jul 30 19:25:53 <b3ll> i can walk
Jul 30 19:25:58 <b3ll> but then ill be there in a week
Jul 30 19:25:59 <b3ll> :P
Jul 30 19:26:06 <Anivrom|pre> Lol
Jul 30 19:26:23 <Anivrom|pre> Probably about that
Jul 30 19:27:44 <b3ll> well its a 9 day walk to new brunswick from here
Jul 30 19:29:58 <Anivrom|pre> As if 9 day walk
Jul 30 19:30:51 <Anivrom|pre> Who did it in 9 days? Show me proof
Jul 30 19:31:25 <dawm> sweeeet got it to send a tweet
Jul 30 19:31:42 <dawm> Anivrom|pre, you can use google maps to find walking time/distance
Jul 30 19:32:23 <dawm> which is street based and probably more accurate unless you can walk thru objects
Jul 30 19:32:36 <Anivrom|pre> Yea and google maps distance/time algorithms are flawed since their distance algorithm is erronious
Jul 30 19:33:08 <b3ll> loool too bad
Jul 30 19:33:10 <b3ll> thats what it says
Jul 30 19:34:51 <Anivrom|pre> I used google maps to get directions to nyc. All along the way the times and distances were so far off it was the running joke between my wife and I by the end of it
Jul 30 19:36:07 <b3ll> oh i had one time where it didnt even follow the roads
Jul 30 19:36:13 <b3ll> just went completely offroad
Jul 30 19:36:15 <Anivrom|pre> I know I know google is perfect in every area. Except that :P
Jul 30 19:36:51 <Anivrom|pre> Yea that's just bad mapping of the street coordinates and the actual street images
Jul 30 19:37:28 <b3ll> twas very funny tho
Jul 30 19:38:41 <Anivrom|pre> Happened to me before too, I said to the passenger, apparently we just drove off this bridge. Funny I thought flying would look diferent
Jul 30 19:41:24 <Anivrom|pre> Pan...freakin...dora
Jul 30 19:41:51 <b3ll> k
Jul 30 19:41:51 <b3ll> so
Jul 30 19:41:57 <b3ll> im so in the mood to watch a pokémon movie
Jul 30 19:41:58 <b3ll> xD
Jul 30 19:42:43 <Anivrom|pre> Lame?
Jul 30 19:42:51 <b3ll> lol no
Jul 30 19:42:59 <oil> lol, yes
Jul 30 19:43:00 <b3ll> ive been on a streak of reliving my childhood
Jul 30 19:43:14 <pandora--> Anivrom|pre: :)
Jul 30 19:43:19 <pandora--> wassupppps
Jul 30 19:43:32 <pandora--> hows friday treatin everyone?
Jul 30 19:43:37 <b3ll> pretty epic
Jul 30 19:43:41 <Anivrom|pre> Meh
Jul 30 19:43:58 <pandora--> niiiice
Jul 30 19:44:13 * oil must be older then b3ll, as pokemon was never part of my childhood
Jul 30 19:44:21 <Anivrom|pre> Can't wait to be off work
Jul 30 19:44:25 <b3ll> lol how old?
Jul 30 19:44:28 <oil> 25
Jul 30 19:44:28 <b3ll> im 18
Jul 30 19:44:32 <b3ll> ya
Jul 30 19:44:34 <oil> lol
Jul 30 19:44:40 * Anivrom|pre is 25
Jul 30 19:44:48 <b3ll> just a little older :p
Jul 30 19:44:56 <oil> when i was a kid, it was all teenage mutant ninja turtles
Jul 30 19:45:05 <dawm> i dont know what sugardave was talking about.. my ajaxRequests spit out onFailure pretty regularly (when things fail that is)
Jul 30 19:45:08 <oil> g i joe
Jul 30 19:45:09 <Anivrom|pre> Only thing I did with pokemon was the card game, for a few months
Jul 30 19:45:17 <oil> transformers
Jul 30 19:45:19 <egaudet> turtles in a halfshell
Jul 30 19:45:27 <oil> srsl;y
Jul 30 19:46:01 <Anivrom|pre> Dawm: dave is senile, pay no attention to the things he says
Jul 30 19:46:34 <oil> lol, the bad guys in tmnt were hilarious
Jul 30 19:46:37 <oil> the giant brain guy
Jul 30 19:46:48 <Anivrom|pre> Beebop and rockstead
Jul 30 19:46:52 <oil> lol
Jul 30 19:47:53 <Anivrom|pre> Now I got the nintendo game underground theme song stuck in my head
Jul 30 19:48:02 <Anivrom|pre> And the boss battle theme son too
Jul 30 19:48:04 <oil> that game was freaking hard
Jul 30 19:48:05 <Anivrom|pre> Song as well
Jul 30 19:48:05 <oil> haha
Jul 30 19:48:13 <Anivrom|pre> I know!
Jul 30 19:49:00 <Anivrom|pre> Especially the bull dozers in the overworld map, when you're travelling between swewers and buildings
Jul 30 19:49:10 <oil> lol
Jul 30 19:49:24 <Anivrom|pre> And those friggin purple ninjas...
Jul 30 19:49:35 <Anivrom|pre> Shank you out of nowhere
Jul 30 19:49:43 * sugardave is magically blessed with Ajax code that never fails?
Jul 30 19:50:10 * oil wonders if he has a rom of that game, begins looking
Jul 30 19:50:11 <Anivrom|pre> Until you got the van. Then you could just missile those buggers doen
Jul 30 19:50:19 <oil> i know i got the cart, but thats in storage :/
Jul 30 19:50:34 <Anivrom|pre> I was playing it the other day
Jul 30 19:50:45 <egaudet> oil xbox live arcade...
Jul 30 19:50:55 <Anivrom|pre> Wow the cartridge? That's worth like.... 2 dollars!
Jul 30 19:51:00 <oil> lol
Jul 30 19:51:03 <Anivrom|pre> Sellllll
Jul 30 19:51:05 <oil> i got all my consoles/games
Jul 30 19:51:13 <oil> sentimental value
Jul 30 19:51:18 <egaudet> lol
Jul 30 19:51:20 <Anivrom|pre> Mhmmm
Jul 30 19:51:23 <pandora--> oil: i'm guessing you're about my age :)
Jul 30 19:51:30 <oil> got my 2600 sittin on the shelf
Jul 30 19:51:39 <Anivrom|pre> I had an intellivision
Jul 30 19:51:59 <Anivrom|pre> With the huge jog dial
Jul 30 19:52:04 <oil> got a gigantic box of games for it for like $10 at a yard sale
Jul 30 19:53:30 <Anivrom|pre> Entering low signal zone for a while talkbto you guys later
Jul 30 19:57:19 <HattCzech_work> adios all
Jul 30 19:57:26 <HattCzech_work> i'm off early to play some golf
Jul 30 19:57:32 <HattCzech_work> and suck horribly :)
Jul 30 19:58:44 <dawm> who here is on twitter and im not following you?
Jul 30 19:59:21 <torchie> :D?
Jul 30 19:59:40 * oil has no twitter
Jul 30 19:59:57 <dawm> i just dont want to follow a random person :P
Jul 30 20:00:03 <dawm> need to test this follow function
Jul 30 20:00:12 <torchie> then FOLLOW THE LEADER
Jul 30 20:01:11 <SimpsonTP> :)
Jul 30 20:01:18 * SimpsonTP has no twitter
Jul 30 20:01:22 <SimpsonTP> I have work to do :P
Jul 30 20:01:50 <dawm> nm i used tweetmewebos as a target :P
Jul 30 20:03:10 <dkirker> dawm: I am not sure if you are following me.
Jul 30 20:03:16 <dawm> i am
Jul 30 20:03:52 <dkirker> you are?! :o \o/
Jul 30 20:05:12 <dkirker> dawm: @dawm right?
Jul 30 20:05:19 <dawm> and @biocandy
Jul 30 20:05:32 <dkirker> oh, right! biocandy! :)
Jul 30 20:05:53 <dkirker> ok, so then both are in my webos list
Jul 30 20:08:56 <swisstomcat> dawm: @twtomcat
Jul 30 20:09:08 <dawm> already used you as a test subject :P
Jul 30 20:13:12 <torchie> @cf_torchie !
Jul 30 20:13:13 <swisstomcat> anyone using instantiateChildWidgets?
Jul 30 20:13:27 <swisstomcat> in a list
Jul 30 20:13:42 <swisstomcat> i'm dynamically adding buttons to the list
Jul 30 20:14:04 <Wolvenhaven> i don't like children :P
Jul 30 20:15:29 <dkirker> So, O'Reilly has a 2 for 1 deal on eBooks. Which books should I get?
Jul 30 20:28:02 <haeffb-pre> the Twilight series ?
Jul 30 20:30:31 <Wolvenhaven> linux for dummies
Jul 30 20:30:33 <Wolvenhaven> and
Jul 30 20:30:47 <Wolvenhaven> how to never have to use windows again
Jul 30 20:32:03 <Switchedgear> whoooohooooo
Jul 30 20:33:09 <Switchedgear> is it nap time in here?
Jul 30 20:34:11 <haeffb-pre> naplunch
Jul 30 20:34:29 <dkirker> offsite meeting :(
Jul 30 20:34:44 <Switchedgear> I feel like I'm the annoying 5 yr old that you have no idea who he belongs too and he runs up and hangs on your leg and says hi.
Jul 30 20:35:26 <haeffb-pre> off my leg, kid...
Jul 30 20:35:38 <Switchedgear> hehe
Jul 30 20:35:49 <swisstomcat> better a kid than a dog on your leg
Jul 30 20:36:16 <Switchedgear> unless you're into that kind of thing
Jul 30 20:36:20 <Switchedgear> gross
Jul 30 20:36:33 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 30 20:37:02 <Switchedgear> t minus 2 hours and counting to an ice cold longneck
Jul 30 20:37:03 <dawm> yay.. my twitter helper can authorize (with only needing username/pass no having to goto the website), it can follow people, and tweet. and it passes jslint
Jul 30 20:37:38 <dawm> whoa
Jul 30 20:37:42 <dawm> just noticed i have 100 tweets
Jul 30 20:37:43 <Switchedgear> so you have a twitterbot?
Jul 30 20:37:44 <Nyceane> i still dont get the point of twitter
Jul 30 20:37:45 <Nyceane> =-|
Jul 30 20:37:58 <dawm> Switchedgear, LOL no
Jul 30 20:38:00 <swisstomcat> twitter has become my main source of information
Jul 30 20:38:08 <dawm> yeah
Jul 30 20:38:13 <dawm> if its not on twitter its not worth knowing
Jul 30 20:38:25 <Switchedgear> phhhh whatever
Jul 30 20:38:31 <dawm> i read more than i tweet tho
Jul 30 20:38:52 <Switchedgear> lonestar!
Jul 30 20:39:20 <Switchedgear> I'm extremely bored
Jul 30 20:39:26 <swisstomcat> write an app
Jul 30 20:39:26 <dawm> i guess now that the twitter crap is done i can start on the actual game :P
Jul 30 20:39:27 <LoneStar99> howdy Switchedgear\
Jul 30 20:39:40 <dawm> oh wait.. i gotta do facebook.. meh
Jul 30 20:39:47 <Nyceane> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs149.snc4/36813_418057111300_592811300_5274563_2738490_n.jpg
Jul 30 20:39:48 <Nyceane> =D
Jul 30 20:39:56 <Nyceane> that's a facebook picture =)
Jul 30 20:40:15 <Nyceane> Switchedgear, if you are remotely bored, you might be able to help me with a quick favor =)
Jul 30 20:40:50 <LoneStar99> two of my grape vines dried out =(
Jul 30 20:40:53 <Nyceane> =(
Jul 30 20:41:12 <LoneStar99> nothing left but two twigs
Jul 30 20:41:23 <LoneStar99> one was syrah and the other a malbec
Jul 30 20:41:27 <swisstomcat> snails ate all my young sald
Jul 30 20:41:29 <swisstomcat> salad
Jul 30 20:41:49 <LoneStar99> snail salad?
Jul 30 20:41:50 <Switchedgear> 3g my butt
Jul 30 20:42:02 <Nyceane> lol
Jul 30 20:42:20 <Nyceane> Switchedgear, if you are remotely bored, you might be able to help me with a quick favor =)
Jul 30 20:42:23 <Switchedgear> someone needed help
Jul 30 20:42:24 <Switchedgear> ?
Jul 30 20:42:30 <Nyceane> yah
Jul 30 20:42:33 <Switchedgear> ok
Jul 30 20:42:38 <Nyceane> since you are the only one havnt voted yet
Jul 30 20:42:43 <Switchedgear> shoot
Jul 30 20:42:54 <Switchedgear> voted on what?
Jul 30 20:42:54 <Nyceane> i built this app for a competition thats sponsored by michelle obama, winner gets to be honored in the white house
Jul 30 20:43:13 <Nyceane> I was wondering if you can cast a vote for my application, I am currently leading, but only by like 17 points
Jul 30 20:43:23 <Nyceane> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 30 20:43:30 <Wolvenhaven> only if you promise to throw your shoe at them
Jul 30 20:43:33 <swisstomcat> night everyone
Jul 30 20:43:40 <dkirker> 'night swisstomcat
Jul 30 20:43:58 <Switchedgear> you know I'm a staunch conservative and the "o" word is very bad in my camp but I will help
Jul 30 20:44:04 <Wolvenhaven> lol
Jul 30 20:44:16 <Wolvenhaven> that's kinda sad
Jul 30 20:44:22 <Wolvenhaven> why would orgasm be a bad word?
Jul 30 20:44:27 <Wolvenhaven> you must lead a very deprived life
Jul 30 20:44:41 <Nyceane> Wolvenhaven
Jul 30 20:45:01 <Wolvenhaven> if you don't want to throw a shoe at them
Jul 30 20:45:06 <Nyceane> I already promised someone to yell at rahm emanuel
Jul 30 20:45:09 <Wolvenhaven> just take them some toilet paper with the constitution printed on it
Jul 30 20:45:17 <sugardave> oh please
Jul 30 20:45:22 <Nyceane> Switchedgear, thanks a lot =D
Jul 30 20:45:34 <sugardave> the previous guardians of the constitution did such a great job, too
Jul 30 20:46:07 <Wolvenhaven> shit dude, that was close to 80 years ago sugardave
Jul 30 20:47:05 <sugardave> anybody in-channel with experience in dynamic lists, ARES, and item templates?
Jul 30 20:47:32 <dawm> dave Anvirom does prolly
Jul 30 20:48:04 <dkirker> ah pooey, I do, but not in ARES.
Jul 30 20:48:10 <dawm> i use lists and templates in ringwhere, but i pretty much stole that scene from the clock app (alarms list)
Jul 30 20:48:38 <sugardave> dawm: I can do amazing things with lists/templates...but apparently Ares is way too helpful for my explanations :D
Jul 30 20:49:22 <Switchedgear> how do I find the app to vote, registered already
Jul 30 20:50:04 <oilsworkn> "I'm not saying she's ugly, but if she were a font, she'd be wingdings." is so funny and geeky at the same time
Jul 30 20:50:24 <sugardave> haha
Jul 30 20:51:08 <Switchedgear> ok done I voted now wheres my cookie?
Jul 30 20:51:26 <LoneStar99> ok time to code once again
Jul 30 20:52:28 <Switchedgear> I don't mind ugly girls.
Jul 30 20:53:26 <oilsworkn> they need love, too?
Jul 30 20:53:32 <oilsworkn> lol\
Jul 30 20:54:41 <hotdp> I fell the time i have used on learning Ares is WASTE
Jul 30 20:54:43 <hotdp> DAMMIT
Jul 30 20:55:01 <oilsworkn> ;(
Jul 30 20:55:24 <hotdp> I guess i have to use Eclipse after all
Jul 30 20:55:27 <hotdp> waste of time
Jul 30 20:55:49 <oilsworkn> sucks
Jul 30 20:56:47 <Nyceane> Switchedgear, http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 30 20:57:05 <oilsworkn> Peter M?
Jul 30 20:57:19 <Nyceane> yah
Jul 30 20:57:35 * oilsworkn would vote, but im far too lazy to register
Jul 30 20:57:48 <oilsworkn> you get my vote in spirit
Jul 30 20:57:56 <Nyceane> switchedgear already registered =(
Jul 30 20:58:02 <Nyceane> and he timed out
Jul 30 20:58:07 <Nyceane> oilsworkn, I can register for you
Jul 30 20:59:12 <sugardave> hotdp: there are lots of people here that can spin you up quickly, I bet ;)
Jul 30 20:59:38 <oilsworkn> 435 votes, looks like you're doin pretty good
Jul 30 21:00:20 <Nyceane> i m only 20 votes ahead =-| still rooms to catch up in 15 days
Jul 30 21:00:37 <Nyceane> oilsworkn, whats your name and town?
Jul 30 21:00:42 <oilsworkn> brandon
Jul 30 21:00:43 <oilsworkn> yakima
Jul 30 21:00:45 <Nyceane> i already created a yahoo email for you =D
Jul 30 21:00:58 * oilsworkn has never had yahoo emails
Jul 30 21:05:48 <Switchedgear> I was talking in a channel by myself and had no idea. thought yall were angry or something.
Jul 30 21:05:59 <oilsworkn> oh, we are
Jul 30 21:06:08 <Nyceane> switchedgear, i told you the place and you didnt answer =D
Jul 30 21:06:10 <Switchedgear> lies
Jul 30 21:06:32 <Switchedgear> I voted
Jul 30 21:06:36 <Nyceane> you get one message to deliver to michelle obama =D
Jul 30 21:06:48 <Nyceane> if i win that is :)
Jul 30 21:06:53 <Nyceane> thanks Switchedgear =D
Jul 30 21:07:18 <Switchedgear> oh no she won't like my message and I don't want secret service at my door either
Jul 30 21:08:38 <Switchedgear> although she does look sexy in red
Jul 30 21:09:04 <Nyceane> I'll tell her that, so far i have 3 messages
Jul 30 21:09:23 <dawm> hrm i just noticed.. theres camera icons in the appsupport folder in the refcode
Jul 30 21:09:35 <Nyceane> yell at rahm emmuel, tell her she looks good in red, and palm's mojo works =)
Jul 30 21:09:42 <sugardave> WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!?!?!
Jul 30 21:10:12 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 30 21:11:35 <Switchedgear> it has no meaning sir
Jul 30 21:12:47 <Switchedgear> it's all relative it means what you want it too
Jul 30 21:13:26 <oilsworkn> wircer!
Jul 30 21:13:29 <Switchedgear> zzzzzz
Jul 30 21:13:53 <Switchedgear> whooohoooo
Jul 30 21:14:15 * sugardave waits for another wicer to appear so he can make fun of oil some more.
Jul 30 21:14:22 <Switchedgear> this app rocks
Jul 30 21:14:31 <Switchedgear> I love you guys
Jul 30 21:14:41 <sugardave> we feel it
Jul 30 21:14:51 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 30 21:15:45 <Switchedgear> so everyone in here is working on code?
Jul 30 21:15:46 <sugardave> oh man, I LOVE Mojo.View.render...that shit is the bomb
Jul 30 21:15:54 <Switchedgear> except me
Jul 30 21:16:05 * oilsworkn doesn't work on webos code @ work
Jul 30 21:16:07 <sugardave> Switchedgear: most of us do/are
Jul 30 21:16:19 <Switchedgear> god I suck
Jul 30 21:16:31 * oilsworkn wasn't going to call out out :)
Jul 30 21:16:37 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 30 21:16:37 <sugardave> think of an app to write and then get crackin'!
Jul 30 21:17:34 <Switchedgear> if it doesn't do martial arts, ride horses, drink beer or shoot a gun I just aint no good at it.
Jul 30 21:17:51 * oilsworkn has always found "think of an app to write" to be the hardest part
Jul 30 21:18:16 <Switchedgear> mute app for my boss?
Jul 30 21:18:23 <oilsworkn> can you do martial arts while riding a horse and shooting a gun while drunk?
Jul 30 21:18:40 <oilsworkn> horse fu?
Jul 30 21:18:44 <sugardave> some people can
Jul 30 21:18:50 <Switchedgear> pretty close, still working on timing
Jul 30 21:19:53 <sugardave> what I still don't get about Eclipse #32987: sometimes it makes closing html tags for me, sometimes it does not
Jul 30 21:20:11 <oilsworkn> sugardave: it depends on the editor you're using
Jul 30 21:20:14 <Switchedgear> slap app for my kid
Jul 30 21:20:31 <sugardave> oilsworkn: even in the same file?!
Jul 30 21:20:33 <oilsworkn> different extensions are opened in different editors with different features
Jul 30 21:20:39 <oilsworkn> oh
Jul 30 21:20:40 <Switchedgear> slap that arse app for my girl
Jul 30 21:20:45 <oilsworkn> same file
Jul 30 21:20:48 <oilsworkn> never happens to me
Jul 30 21:21:03 <Switchedgear> ugh ok I'll be quiet now
Jul 30 21:21:07 <oilsworkn> eclipse is touchey
Jul 30 21:21:12 <sugardave> I think it happens if I accidentally delete any part of the auto-fill stuff like "
Jul 30 21:21:16 * oilsworkn doesn't mess with it too much for fear of it quitting
Jul 30 21:21:20 <sugardave> hah
Jul 30 21:22:30 <haeffb> dekan: 101
Jul 30 21:22:41 <haeffb> wtf happened to dekan?
Jul 30 21:22:48 * sugardave looks away.
Jul 30 21:23:01 <Switchedgear> he's tied up in the cornr
Jul 30 21:23:20 <haeffb> reminds me: how can you tell an extroverted engineer?
Jul 30 21:23:29 <Switchedgear> dunno
Jul 30 21:23:33 * oilsworkn googles extroverted real fast
Jul 30 21:23:56 <haeffb> he's the one who looks at YOUR shoes while talking to you
Jul 30 21:24:04 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 30 21:24:04 <sugardave> heh
Jul 30 21:24:14 * oilsworkn gets it after looking up extroverted
Jul 30 21:24:17 <Switchedgear> haha........i don't get it?
Jul 30 21:25:10 <Switchedgear> why do eskimos wash their clothes intide?
Jul 30 21:25:24 <oilsworkn> intide?
Jul 30 21:25:39 <Switchedgear> cause it's too cold out tide
Jul 30 21:26:11 <Switchedgear> hahahahahaha that one always gets me
Jul 30 21:26:56 <Switchedgear> wow tough crowd
Jul 30 21:26:58 <torchie> WAT
Jul 30 21:27:00 <torchie> wat
Jul 30 21:27:00 <torchie> wot
Jul 30 21:27:23 <torchie> measure the extroversion of engineers in tony starks
Jul 30 21:28:03 <haeffb> what's the scale?
Jul 30 21:28:05 <Switchedgear> wtf is that? anything like meyers briggs type indicator?
Jul 30 21:28:06 <haeffb> 0-1 tony?
Jul 30 21:28:17 <haeffb> 0-100 tony's?
Jul 30 21:28:36 <haeffb> -100 to 100 tony's?
Jul 30 21:29:04 <Switchedgear> ugh wow way over my head, is there a redneck channel here
Jul 30 21:29:06 <torchie> there's no maximum or minimum amount of tony starks
Jul 30 21:29:13 <Switchedgear> wircer!
Jul 30 21:29:23 <haeffb> not any more, my friend.
Jul 30 21:29:28 <Switchedgear> hehe I did it first
Jul 30 21:29:33 <haeffb> I'm on a real keyboard now.
Jul 30 21:29:41 <Switchedgear> lucky u
Jul 30 21:30:05 <Switchedgear> I have thumb cramps
Jul 30 21:30:18 <haeffb> I used to be about -50 Tony Starks.
Jul 30 21:30:26 <LoneStar99> hacked site http://www.pVhptutorial.info/?preg-match
Jul 30 21:30:26 <haeffb> Have improved to maybe +1 Tony Stark.
Jul 30 21:31:14 <Switchedgear> can someone shine a light on these obscure references please, I'm missing something
Jul 30 21:31:38 <Switchedgear> are yall engineers?
Jul 30 21:32:12 <Switchedgear> I was never allowed to hang out with the smart kids growin up.
Jul 30 21:32:27 <LoneStar99> thug life
Jul 30 21:32:31 <haeffb> Switchedgear: I hate to do this, but...  http://tinyurl.com/2wygu9g
Jul 30 21:32:33 <torchie> no worries
Jul 30 21:32:38 <torchie> ain't no smart kids anywhere
Jul 30 21:32:48 <Switchedgear> no thug kinda backwoods
Jul 30 21:32:54 <torchie> tony stark's the guy from iron man
Jul 30 21:33:37 <torchie> who is both a better engineer than all the engineers he hired, and a pimpier pimp than all the other pimps
Jul 30 21:34:08 <Switchedgear> haeffb how the bleep did you do that?
Jul 30 21:34:25 <Switchedgear> now I know
Jul 30 21:34:34 <Switchedgear> shweeeew
Jul 30 21:36:22 <Switchedgear> yall just do that coding stuff and I'll be the enforcer, whatever that is.
Jul 30 21:36:45 <haeffb> Switchedgear: http://www.lmgtfy.com
Jul 30 21:37:28 <Switchedgear> that's flippin cool!
Jul 30 21:37:48 <haeffb> can I be the enforcer's assistant? I've always wanted to be an enforcer's assistant!
Jul 30 21:38:16 <Switchedgear> put in chuck norris and hit I'm feeling lucky on reg google
Jul 30 21:38:27 <Switchedgear> yes you can you're hired
Jul 30 21:38:50 <Switchedgear> excuse me try find chuck norris
Jul 30 21:40:15 <Switchedgear> so what yall do for a livin?
Jul 30 21:41:00 * haeffb supervises a staff of highway designers.
Jul 30 21:41:03 <Switchedgear> I'm a lineman for an electrical utility.... I keep your lights on.
Jul 30 21:41:46 <haeffb> lineman is cool. they still let you climb the poles, or do you have to use the bucket truck?
Jul 30 21:41:49 <Switchedgear> your not responsible for the roads in austin tx are you?
Jul 30 21:41:59 <Switchedgear> I do both
Jul 30 21:42:05 <haeffb> er. no.
Jul 30 21:42:31 <Switchedgear> er good otherwise.......well forget it.
Jul 30 21:42:35 <Switchedgear> hehe
Jul 30 21:42:48 <haeffb> roads in Texas are very confusing with all the slip ramps and what not.
Jul 30 21:43:29 <Switchedgear> yes they are and the friggin traffic is terrible!
Jul 30 21:44:38 <Nyceane> I thought everything in Texas coming in big sizes =-|
Jul 30 21:45:12 <sugardave> I "educate" people
Jul 30 21:45:32 <sugardave> Switchedgear: are you in Austin, as well?
Jul 30 21:45:50 <Switchedgear> it's only a myth in most cases but..... ya we won't go there either and I'm just outside of austin
Jul 30 21:46:32 <Switchedgear> love the town hate the traffic
Jul 30 21:46:34 <sugardave> me, too, slightly north and east of the airport...at least two others in here claim Austin as home
Jul 30 21:46:49 <sugardave> Switchedgear: working from home a lot helps me there
Jul 30 21:47:09 <Switchedgear> ah cool I used to work for a company ne of austin
Jul 30 21:47:30 <Switchedgear> ya I bet
Jul 30 21:47:47 <sugardave> I hate people and traffic, so it's a real win-win
Jul 30 21:47:58 <Switchedgear> kst electric out of manor
Jul 30 21:48:16 <sugardave> never heard of them, but I know where Manor is
Jul 30 21:48:20 <Switchedgear> lol love people, very extroverted
Jul 30 21:48:41 <sugardave> just a quick ride up FM 973 and I can be in the sprawling metropolis of Manor, TX
Jul 30 21:48:54 <Switchedgear> I'm in johnson city now, west about an hour
Jul 30 21:49:16 <Switchedgear> lol metropolis
Jul 30 21:49:41 <sugardave> haeffb: wtf is a slip ramp?
Jul 30 21:50:01 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 30 21:50:33 <haeffb> sugardave: http://www.lmgtfy.com
Jul 30 21:50:40 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 30 21:50:51 <sugardave> yeah yeah
Jul 30 21:51:04 <haeffb> it's the off ramps you guys use in Texas
Jul 30 21:51:13 <haeffb> off ramps/on ramps
Jul 30 21:51:23 <haeffb> that are between intersections, not *at* intersections
Jul 30 21:51:34 <haeffb> so you've got the slip ramps and the one-way outer roads
Jul 30 21:51:58 <Switchedgear> ya they suck and very dangerous at times
Jul 30 21:52:14 <sugardave> that's right, so we can bail whenever we see the roadblocks at Williamson County line ;)
Jul 30 21:52:30 <Switchedgear> haha now that's funny
Jul 30 21:52:44 <sugardave> aka "The Chickenwire Curtain"
Jul 30 21:52:49 <Switchedgear> willco is a pain in the arse
Jul 30 21:54:16 <sugardave> I can't even begin to imagine the carnage if our exits went directly to intersections
Jul 30 21:54:40 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 30 21:55:05 <Switchedgear> ok my quittin time yall.......peace
Jul 30 21:58:30 <haeffb> sugardave: they work well, but they're strange to Americans. We're not used to them.
Jul 30 21:58:40 <sugardave> heh
Jul 30 23:31:07 <haeffb> "Blackberry Tablet Coming this Fall"
Jul 30 23:36:01 <dawm> oh yah
Jul 30 23:36:36 <dawm> ugh.. spent the last 2~hrs making some UI elements
Jul 30 23:37:34 <dawm> buttons, checkbox, radio box, toggles, and a text box..
Jul 30 23:39:36 <haeffb> making your own?
Jul 30 23:40:11 <haeffb> http://www.inc.com/tech-blog/blackberry-tablet-coming-this-fall.html
Jul 30 23:40:32 <haeffb> who's gonna buy a non-touchscreen tablet? :)
Jul 30 23:47:22 <torchie> lol
Jul 30 23:47:25 <torchie> what if it comes with a keyboard
Jul 30 23:48:30 <torchie> I can sort of see a tablet with a keyboard being feasible
Jul 30 23:48:35 <torchie> look at the kindle!
Jul 30 23:49:39 <haeffb> there's a new Kindle now, right?
Jul 30 23:50:50 <torchie> yeah, it's $130
Jul 30 23:51:31 <haeffb> $139 for wifi only and $189 with 3G (AT&T)
Jul 30 23:51:38 <torchie> oh $139
Jul 30 23:51:43 <torchie> didn't kindle use to be on sprint :(
Jul 30 23:51:57 <torchie> wait is it use to be or used to be
Jul 30 23:51:59 <torchie> both sound wrong
Jul 30 23:52:26 <haeffb> "Kindle uses GSM technology"
Jul 30 23:52:58 <torchie> can I put a T mo SIM card in it and get some EDGE or what
Jul 30 23:53:57 <torchie> either way kindle is lame, the screen is not bright, colorful, or flashy enough
Jul 30 23:54:33 <haeffb> ...neither are most books...
Jul 30 23:54:53 <dawm> haeffb, yeah, i made my own for the coke rewards app (buttons), planning on making my own UI to use for my apps but keeping the webOS feel, i just dislike the uber huge buttons that are default
Jul 30 23:55:05 <torchie> it'd be hard to put some cool games on it
Jul 30 23:55:08 <torchie> you could go turn based
Jul 30 23:56:07 <torchie> does kindle have a third party application distribution system
Jul 30 23:56:16 <haeffb> did you see the guys working on small-button this morning?
Jul 30 23:56:27 <haeffb> torchie: all it does is books.
Jul 30 23:56:47 <torchie> weak
Jul 30 23:56:50 <haeffb> it's application is already distributed
Jul 30 23:57:54 <torchie> I'm sittin here thinkin of some sweet ass turn based games we can put on this thing
Jul 30 23:58:00 <torchie> and my dreams have been crushed
Jul 31 00:01:04 <dawm> haeffb, http://twitpic.com/2a5oa8
Jul 31 00:01:05 <haeffb> maybe we should go try to get webos-internals to hack it so we can add games...
Jul 31 00:02:34 <haeffb> nice. you might make the unchecked check & radio stand out a little more....
Jul 31 00:02:45 <dawm> it got darker when i saved it as png
Jul 31 00:02:52 <dawm> i dont know why heh
Jul 31 00:05:56 <haeffb> looks like my update isn't going to be published until next week... :(
Jul 31 00:06:15 <haeffb> in other news, "Application updates are now available."
Jul 31 00:08:27 * torchie updates
Jul 31 00:08:29 * torchie refresh
Jul 31 00:18:22 <haeffb> bah. there's no kindle for webOS
Jul 31 00:18:55 <haeffb> iphone - check, blackberry - check, android - check, webOS - no check
Jul 31 00:19:31 <torchie> yeah often the case with a lot of apps
Jul 31 00:19:42 <torchie> it's weird, this "app industry" is becoming a lot like the video game industry
Jul 31 00:19:47 <torchie> and right now webOS is like
Jul 31 00:19:50 <torchie> the gamecube
Jul 31 00:20:00 <haeffb> what's a gamecube?
Jul 31 00:20:00 <Nyceane> lol
Jul 31 00:20:22 <torchie> iphone and android miraculously both occupying the role of the playstation 2
Jul 31 00:20:46 <haeffb> which is wii ?
Jul 31 00:20:58 <torchie> well I was thinking more of the sixth gen
Jul 31 00:21:05 <torchie> dreamcast, gamecube, ps2, xbox
Jul 31 00:21:22 <torchie> maybe webOS is more of a dreamcast
Jul 31 00:35:05 <oil> its definitely the dreamcast
Jul 31 00:35:22 <oil> lets just home they still release hardware and dont switch to software only after it ala sega
Jul 31 00:35:26 <oil> :)
Jul 31 00:43:08 <Nyceane> iPhone is wii
Jul 31 00:43:10 <Nyceane> =)
Jul 31 00:43:26 <Nyceane> android is xbox, and microsoft is sony
Jul 31 00:45:01 * haeffb downloading "Movin' On" by Missouri on Amazon MP3
Jul 31 00:45:09 <Wolvenhaven> no it's not
Jul 31 00:45:20 <Wolvenhaven> the wii is more unlockable than the xbox
Jul 31 00:45:38 <Nyceane> are you kidding?
Jul 31 00:45:42 <Nyceane> xbox was known for its unlock
Jul 31 00:45:54 <Wolvenhaven> you can do more stuff to a wii than an xbox
Jul 31 00:46:01 <Wolvenhaven> and the iphone is a ps3
Jul 31 00:46:11 <Nyceane> nintendo made it pretty hard for pirate
Jul 31 00:46:12 <Wolvenhaven> shiney and if you break it they kill you
Jul 31 00:46:29 <Nyceane> nintendo's company policy is very very close to Apple's
Jul 31 00:46:31 <Wolvenhaven> yea but custom firmware and homebrew is huge for the wii
Jul 31 00:47:03 <Wolvenhaven> sony and apple are closer
Jul 31 00:47:26 <Nyceane> apple has largest market share
Jul 31 00:47:37 <Nyceane> worst hardware in terms of power, best hardware in terms of functionality
Jul 31 00:47:49 <Nyceane> iPhone's processor is not that strong
Jul 31 00:48:15 <Nyceane> they focus on reusing memory state, in a tableview the basic rows are being cached for reuse
Jul 31 00:50:10 <pandora--> Nyceane: largest share of what?
Jul 31 00:50:48 <pandora--> if you're talking smartphones... you're incorrect
Jul 31 00:50:59 <pandora--> RIM is still leading iphone with blackberry.
Jul 31 00:51:33 <pandora--> iphone is a lot more buzzworthy, but blackberry's still hold the largest (39%) share
Jul 31 00:55:17 <Nyceane> pandora, smart phone market
Jul 31 00:55:34 <Nyceane> well, real smart phones thats actually comfortable to use
Jul 31 00:55:45 <Nyceane> if we talk about gaming machines, there are a lot of cheap toys out there
Jul 31 00:56:20 <oil> Wolvenhaven: we were using last gen consoles to compare them :)
Jul 31 00:56:40 <Wolvenhaven> oh
Jul 31 00:56:42 <Nyceane> I m not a big fan of apple btw...
Jul 31 00:56:45 <Wolvenhaven> i was thinking ps3, 360, wii
Jul 31 00:56:52 <Nyceane> me too =_=
Jul 31 01:03:54 * sugardave pets his PS3.  "It's okay, baby."
Jul 31 01:05:34 <Nyceane> lol
Jul 31 01:05:40 <Nyceane> I have a wii, and an android
Jul 31 01:11:01 <haeffb> wii pre pixi touch-diamond
Jul 31 01:11:17 <haeffb> android reminds me way too much of WM
Jul 31 01:11:57 <torchie> yeah
Jul 31 01:12:28 <torchie> android is winmo with kinetic scrolling
Jul 31 01:12:33 <torchie> and that's it!
Jul 31 01:12:51 <torchie> the fragmentation's still there
Jul 31 01:16:33 <LoneStar99> eating a bomb sandwich now
Jul 31 01:19:09 <Chomper> anybody who can tell me,Why The SDL_SetVideo can't call twice in main()?
Jul 31 01:25:49 <renegaid> what happened to Flash on Palm Pre?
Jul 31 01:26:20 <renegaid> it seems like all the US carriers have kicked palm under the bus or something
Jul 31 01:26:53 <dawm> waiting on adobe still
Jul 31 01:28:20 <LoneStar99> dawm: you installing adobe?
Jul 31 01:28:44 <rwhitby> spdsktr: I'll have to unpack the verizon doctor to get the app before I can push your patch through
Jul 31 01:29:21 <dawm> no
Jul 31 01:29:27 <dawm> ive been in adobe for most of the day ;p
Jul 31 01:30:28 <LoneStar99> adobe house?
Jul 31 01:30:40 <dawm> no an adobe shop
Jul 31 01:30:50 <dawm> photos
Jul 31 01:31:47 <LoneStar99> oh right on
Jul 31 01:32:03 <dawm> i really wish you could reorder layer effects.. i want to gradient over a pattern but noooo.. patterns are under gradients.. lame
Jul 31 01:32:14 <LoneStar99> been eating and dealing with cookies pretty much all day
Jul 31 01:32:35 <Chomper>  anybody who can tell me,why SDL_SetVideo can't call twice in the same program?
Jul 31 01:32:50 <Wolvenhaven> you need to release it to call it again
Jul 31 01:34:13 <Chomper> sdl_freesurface?
Jul 31 01:35:56 <Nyceane> hi Chomper =D
Jul 31 01:36:04 <Chomper> Hi
Jul 31 01:36:06 <Nyceane> you are the only person that didnt vote for me yet =D
Jul 31 01:36:18 <Nyceane> nvm heh
Jul 31 01:36:25 <Chomper> I am chinese...
Jul 31 01:36:30 <Nyceane> I need some time to make PDK apps =(
Jul 31 01:36:32 <Nyceane> me too Chomper
Jul 31 01:36:33 <Chomper> my english ...
Jul 31 01:36:42 <Nyceane> I live in Los Angeles tho
Jul 31 01:36:46 <Anivrom> cantonese?
Jul 31 01:36:52 <Nyceane> no, i speak mandarin
Jul 31 01:36:55 <Nyceane> I grew up in the states
Jul 31 01:36:57 <Anivrom> bah
Jul 31 01:37:03 <Anivrom> my wife is cantonese
Jul 31 01:37:18 <Chomper> I port cps2emu for pre
Jul 31 01:37:23 <Nyceane> http://blog.ted.com/2010/07/17/meet_the_tedglo/
Jul 31 01:37:26 <Nyceane> thats me =)
Jul 31 01:37:51 <Chomper> but the menu between main and main
Jul 31 01:37:56 <Anivrom> nice
Jul 31 01:38:18 <Chomper> the program call sdl_setvideo twice..
Jul 31 01:38:28 <renegaid> adobe released flash to palm a while back
Jul 31 01:38:47 <renegaid> i doubt flash will work well on pre though
Jul 31 01:38:47 <Chomper> I have to delete one..
Jul 31 01:38:56 <Anivrom> why wouldnt it?
Jul 31 01:38:58 <renegaid> the device is already so slow to begin with
Jul 31 01:39:25 <Chomper> lunasysmgr will crash..
Jul 31 01:39:41 <Chomper> I don't know why..
Jul 31 01:41:11 <Nyceane> Chomper are you in China?
Jul 31 01:41:21 <Chomper> yes
Jul 31 01:42:53 <jhojho> 你好
Jul 31 01:43:02 <jhojho> lol
Jul 31 01:43:04 <Nyceane> 你
Jul 31 01:43:22 <Anivrom> lei ho ma?
Jul 31 01:43:30 <jhojho> that's all i know
Jul 31 01:43:45 <jhojho> not used to typing chinese on the keyboard.
Jul 31 01:44:14 <Anivrom> ngo ye ka yum yat di bay-jao :)
Jul 31 01:44:25 <Nyceane> I dont speak catonese
Jul 31 01:44:30 <Anivrom> bah
Jul 31 01:44:31 <Anivrom> right
Jul 31 01:46:14 <Nyceane> I speak some spanish
Jul 31 01:46:21 <Nyceane> mainly because I was interested in latino girls
Jul 31 01:46:38 <Anivrom> haha
Jul 31 01:46:43 <halfhalo> Wakawaka
Jul 31 01:46:44 <Anivrom> asians are the hottest
Jul 31 01:46:52 <halfhalo> Lies
Jul 31 01:46:55 <Anivrom> negatory
Jul 31 01:47:37 <Anivrom> Nothin like a cute asian girl.
Jul 31 01:47:39 <LoneStar99> Chomper: hello from Texas!
Jul 31 01:47:41 <halfhalo> Wee finally irc client on the iPad
Jul 31 01:47:54 <Chomper> hello
Jul 31 01:48:14 <halfhalo> Who died.
Jul 31 01:50:21 <Switchedgear> waz uuppppp
Jul 31 01:50:25 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 31 01:50:46 <Nyceane> Hi Switchedgear
Jul 31 01:50:53 <dawm> god this is pissing me off now..
Jul 31 01:51:01 <Nyceane> whats up dawm
Jul 31 01:51:01 <Switchedgear> they let ipads in here? great.
Jul 31 01:51:03 <dawm> pattern stamper isnt using the pattern..
Jul 31 01:51:06 <Anivrom> need some photoshop help?
Jul 31 01:51:09 <oil> halfhalo: how does it compare to wirc?
Jul 31 01:51:47 <halfhalo> Meh.  No mulitasking means it fails
Jul 31 01:51:51 <oil> lol
Jul 31 01:51:52 <Switchedgear> hey nyceane did ya win yet?
Jul 31 01:52:01 <halfhalo> And no away support in it
Jul 31 01:52:29 <haeffb> ipad don't multitask?
Jul 31 01:52:37 <Switchedgear> why be in here and be away? makes no sense.
Jul 31 01:52:39 <Anivrom> ultimate fail
Jul 31 01:53:01 <haeffb> I thot it was the latest & greatest....
Jul 31 01:53:07 <Anivrom> the only feature webos needs to have in order to be the best in my books
Jul 31 01:53:18 <Nyceane> Switchedgear, it ends up 8/14
Jul 31 01:53:36 <halfhalo> Is for webos to be better!
Jul 31 01:53:40 <Anivrom> dawm: <--- photoshop geek. need help?
Jul 31 01:53:52 <halfhalo> Th big scream is niiice though
Jul 31 01:53:54 <haeffb> I showed an android guy how I can switch between cards today. He was like "yeah, my phone can't do that."
Jul 31 01:53:55 <dawm> nah i think my PS is on crack
Jul 31 01:53:56 <Switchedgear> cool hope you win.
Jul 31 01:53:57 <halfhalo> But software kb fail
Jul 31 01:54:08 <dawm> i know how to do it, its just not doing it.. im forced to use edit->fill->pattern
Jul 31 01:54:14 <Nyceane> me too, thanks for the vote
Jul 31 01:54:14 <halfhalo> Lapperts ftw
Jul 31 01:54:15 <Nyceane> =)
Jul 31 01:54:20 <Anivrom> hmm
Jul 31 01:54:20 <Switchedgear> yw
Jul 31 01:54:25 <dawm> cause the pattern tool is just acting like a brush
Jul 31 01:54:35 <haeffb> with my YEAR OLD pre
Jul 31 01:54:43 <haeffb> I'm talkin' to you, PALM!
Jul 31 01:54:44 <dawm> maybe this app was not meant to have diagonal lines ;p
Jul 31 01:55:05 <Anivrom> the pattern tool Does act like a brush dawm
Jul 31 01:55:26 <dawm> i mean its acting like a normal brush as in not even using the pattern
Jul 31 01:55:46 <Switchedgear> haeffb wth are you talkin bout?
Jul 31 01:56:03 <Switchedgear> nm I see
Jul 31 01:56:06 <haeffb> ignore me, I've been drinking again
Jul 31 01:56:15 <Anivrom> haeffb: me too :)
Jul 31 01:56:20 <Switchedgear> me too hehe
Jul 31 01:56:30 <Anivrom> *cheers*
Jul 31 01:56:38 <Switchedgear> cheers
Jul 31 01:56:50 <haeffb> dosvedanya
Jul 31 01:56:57 <Switchedgear> huh?
Jul 31 01:56:58 <haeffb> or however you spell it in Russian
Jul 31 01:57:01 <Anivrom> budweiser
Jul 31 01:57:08 <Anivrom> :P
Jul 31 01:57:09 <Switchedgear> lol salut
Jul 31 01:57:15 <dawm> yeah.. my pattern tool does exactly what the brush tool does when editing the mask
Jul 31 01:57:18 <Switchedgear> miller lite
Jul 31 01:57:20 <dawm> lame!
Jul 31 01:57:23 <Anivrom> hmmm
Jul 31 01:57:26 <Chomper> http://u.115.com/file/f12f121549
Jul 31 01:57:35 <Anivrom> CAnt' use a style?
Jul 31 01:57:37 <Chomper> the heroes 2 on pre
Jul 31 01:57:59 <haeffb> fat tire, schlafly's pale ale
Jul 31 01:58:02 <haeffb> alternating
Jul 31 01:58:10 <sugardave> anybody ever try to use two scrollers that take up the same spot in the layout and use .hide() and .show() to swap between the 'active' one?
Jul 31 01:58:26 <haeffb> sugardave: that's crazy talk!
Jul 31 01:58:36 <halfhalo> Cwazy!
Jul 31 01:58:36 <Switchedgear> never had fat tire
Jul 31 01:58:36 <sugardave> I'm starting to think it is
Jul 31 01:58:55 <haeffb> how about two divs inside the scroller?
Jul 31 01:59:15 <halfhalo> Diva smivs
Jul 31 01:59:25 <haeffb> fat tire is good
Jul 31 01:59:26 <halfhalo> Damn autocorrect
Jul 31 01:59:34 <sugardave> I've tried that, and it does work...my problem is that one is markup and one is a list widget...and if you scroll either of them when displayed, it scrolls the other
Jul 31 01:59:56 <haeffb> yeah, lame
Jul 31 02:00:00 <sugardave> so, my first thought was just to use revealTop() or whatever
Jul 31 02:00:02 <LoneStar99> haeffb: yeah fat tire is good
Jul 31 02:00:09 <sugardave> but then I thought I would really try to make it work
Jul 31 02:00:26 <Switchedgear> try shiner bock, you can only get it in texas tho
Jul 31 02:00:28 <sugardave> so, about to go back to the single scroller with revealTop() and say 'good enough'
Jul 31 02:00:40 <LoneStar99> Switchedgear:  i like lonestar
Jul 31 02:00:50 <LoneStar99> and Lonestar light
Jul 31 02:00:55 <LoneStar99> in the bottle
Jul 31 02:00:55 <Switchedgear> lonestar is great too
Jul 31 02:00:56 <halfhalo> RevealTop is great irl
Jul 31 02:01:24 <Anivrom> sugardave: well there goes my hopes, I was gonna do the exact same thing. I'll just stick with it scrolling each list at the same time and call it a perpetual bug which wont be fixed :P
Jul 31 02:01:39 <Switchedgear> I'll be downing that tomorrow nightburn !
Jul 31 02:01:53 <Switchedgear> huh nightburn ?
Jul 31 02:01:58 <Switchedgear> wtf
Jul 31 02:02:07 <sugardave> I'm still not convinced it can't be done, but I"m convinced this app doesn't NEED to have the perfect scrolling experience in this scene
Jul 31 02:02:07 <Switchedgear> stupid phone
Jul 31 02:02:12 <haeffb> I can get Shiner Bock in my grocery store in Macon MO
Jul 31 02:02:19 <Switchedgear> bs
Jul 31 02:02:20 <halfhalo> Run! It's oil!
Jul 31 02:02:23 <sugardave> shiner is more prevalent than it used to be
Jul 31 02:02:28 <sugardave> now that they SOLD OUT
Jul 31 02:02:37 <torchie> BLAMM
Jul 31 02:02:40 <Switchedgear> shhhh lets act like were not here
Jul 31 02:02:47 <sugardave> that was my beer of choice before I stopped drinking
Jul 31 02:03:10 <Switchedgear> ya that sucks but still good beer
Jul 31 02:03:26 <Switchedgear> you poor soul
Jul 31 02:04:08 <sugardave> no pity here, I still alter my reality
Jul 31 02:04:11 <haeffb> that's like saying Bud Light SOLD OUT
Jul 31 02:04:15 <Switchedgear> lol
Jul 31 02:04:34 <Switchedgear> good it's needed sometimes
Jul 31 02:04:56 <haeffb> I'll have to get some Shiner again...haven't had it in a while
Jul 31 02:05:17 <Switchedgear> it's strong for me
Jul 31 02:05:53 <Switchedgear> I can only drink 10 or 12 and I'm done
Jul 31 02:05:54 <sugardave> when I was a teenager I HATED beer because my friends all drank crappy beer....when I came to Austin and went to my first party, they had a Shiner keg...it was like a literal epiphany occured
Jul 31 02:06:16 <sugardave> you mean there are DARK beers?
Jul 31 02:06:19 <sugardave> who would have thought?
Jul 31 02:06:28 <haeffb> nectar of the m'fing gods...?
Jul 31 02:06:33 <Switchedgear> god a shiner keg ooooh that's heaven
Jul 31 02:06:34 <sugardave> pretty much
Jul 31 02:06:40 <Switchedgear> hell ya
Jul 31 02:06:49 <LoneStar99> my 2 favorite beers are Lonestar and Guinness
Jul 31 02:06:54 <dawm> argh
Jul 31 02:07:03 <Anivrom> dawm: hmm?
Jul 31 02:07:09 <spdsktr> rwhitby: Cool. Lots of people are waiting for it
Jul 31 02:07:15 <dawm> i need a swirl shape for photoshop, sorta like the dreamcast logo.. cannot find one for the life of me
Jul 31 02:07:20 <Switchedgear> uh guinness not so much
Jul 31 02:07:50 <Switchedgear> now drop a shot of baileys in it and I'm good
Jul 31 02:08:13 <LoneStar99> irish car bomb
Jul 31 02:08:24 <spdsktr> rwhitby: and ty!
Jul 31 02:08:26 <Switchedgear> irish car bombs oh ya
Jul 31 02:08:42 <LoneStar99> will have one of those when I arrive in San Diego
Jul 31 02:09:14 <Switchedgear> spent many nights doing that. never been to san diego, bet it's nice
Jul 31 02:09:27 <Anivrom> RAWR RAWR
Jul 31 02:09:56 <Anivrom> I know a chick in san diego
Jul 31 02:10:07 <Switchedgear> gonna retire in oceanside
Jul 31 02:10:12 <LoneStar99> been away from san diego for more than a year
Jul 31 02:10:33 <Switchedgear> a cali chick is nuts
Jul 31 02:10:49 <Switchedgear> why you goin back?
Jul 31 02:12:42 <LoneStar99> can not adjust to texas
Jul 31 02:13:03 <Switchedgear> my brother is here, gonna saddle the horses and go for a night ride..... cheers guys and gals see ya. get bak at ya later lonestar.
Jul 31 02:13:55 <Nyceane> heading home, ttyl guys =)
Jul 31 02:14:12 <Anivrom> cya
Jul 31 02:22:41 <Chomper> who can tell me how to mod the Surface resolution,but not use SDL_SetVideo
Jul 31 02:27:39 <Anivrom> chomper: did you try googling your problem?
Jul 31 02:29:02 <Chomper> it just on palm
Jul 31 02:56:07 <edektor> Is there a list somewhere of the availalbe fonts I can use in WebOS
Jul 31 02:58:50 <Gu1l7y_work> I know this is dumb, but I didn't even know you could select different fonts. lol
Jul 31 02:59:09 <oil> there is a terminal font we used to use
Jul 31 02:59:17 <oil> a fixed-width font
Jul 31 02:59:23 <oil> ive never seen a list
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