**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 01 02:59:57 2010 Aug 01 03:01:42 yikes....Amazon can tell me what I ordered in 1997 Aug 01 03:02:21 Coaching Basketball by Jerry Krause Aug 01 03:03:00 1998 I was into dog training Aug 01 03:03:49 surprisingly, things I bought in 1999 are not eligible for return. Aug 01 03:05:34 loadInventoryData: function() { Aug 01 03:05:34 if (!cupcake.retrieveCupcake('inventoryData', this.gotInventoryData.bind(this))) {} Aug 01 03:05:34 }, Aug 01 03:05:48 haeffb_: inside gotInventoryData I have response as the arg Aug 01 03:05:53 It sais response not defined Aug 01 03:05:58 am I using this wrong? Aug 01 03:06:38 I know i'm not but I'm wondering why it causes my app to halt. Aug 01 03:07:32 I copied dawms new code into the cupcake.js cause it was throwing me an error due to the fact that inventoryData cupcake is not actually created yet, but then it threw me this new error Aug 01 03:08:12 it will be undefined until you store something in the cupcake Aug 01 03:08:16 ok Aug 01 03:08:23 so nothing major then Aug 01 03:09:25 nope Aug 01 03:09:35 well actually it breaks my canvas coe Aug 01 03:09:36 code Aug 01 03:11:42 how so? Aug 01 03:12:45 same problem I was describing earlier, where the canvas elements just don't get drawn, it seems my mainloop is getting turned off somehow, and then randomly it starts up again if I set a breakpoint Aug 01 03:13:17 absolutely baffling Aug 01 03:13:40 my loop is running but nothing is getting drawn to the canvas until I breakpoint Aug 01 03:14:02 well, good luck with that... Aug 01 03:14:10 I gotta go grab some zzzz's. Aug 01 03:14:18 Yea ttyl Aug 01 03:14:37 but the cupcakes shouldn't break it if you're doing if (response) in your gotInventoryData() Aug 01 03:14:47 omg, my retweet got tweeted again Aug 01 03:14:52 er no Aug 01 03:15:11 my chat in here about it got tweeted again Aug 01 03:15:17 I'll get you wfleurant Aug 01 03:15:33 well, I just googled the chat history for this room and it all came up Aug 01 03:15:37 so apparently its public Aug 01 03:15:41 yeah, I know Aug 01 03:15:58 going to have to be more careful about what I pastebin :D Aug 01 03:18:03 interesting, sugardave Aug 01 03:18:22 Hey all Aug 01 03:18:23 ! Aug 01 03:18:33 [21:47] wonder how this works: http://www.webos.pastebin.com/KuINwnda Aug 01 03:18:38 that also was tweeted Aug 01 03:18:57 and now will be retweeted Aug 01 03:18:57 yeah, his bot is combing the logs for pastebins, I guess Aug 01 03:19:01 yep Aug 01 03:19:07 Hey all! Aug 01 03:19:14 Oops Aug 01 03:19:19 How's Mickey? Aug 01 03:19:21 Twice, muh bad Aug 01 03:19:28 "hey, everybody, look at this broke code" Aug 01 03:19:31 He's good, I s'pose Aug 01 03:19:42 did you sit in KITT? Aug 01 03:19:48 I punched one of them Aug 01 03:20:01 that's not very happy Aug 01 03:20:10 Kitt? Aug 01 03:20:17 oh, and those were just random letters on my pastebin. No telling where it leads. Aug 01 03:20:18 I guess that's why Disney World is the happiest place on Earth. Aug 01 03:20:45 haeffb_: a missing/deleted one Aug 01 03:21:02 Arg Aug 01 03:21:02 Back Aug 01 03:21:05 Sorry Aug 01 03:21:15 Forgot I can't close the main wirc window Aug 01 03:21:21 What did I miss Aug 01 03:21:22 oops Aug 01 03:21:44 [22:20] oh, and those were just random letters on my pastebin. No telling where it leads. Aug 01 03:21:45 [22:20] * kesne (~wicer@173-128-124-237.pools.spcsdns.net) Quit ( Remote host closed the connection ) Aug 01 03:21:45 [22:20] I guess that's why Disney World is the happiest place on Earth. Aug 01 03:21:45 [22:20] haeffb_: a missing/deleted one Aug 01 03:21:45 [22:20] * kesne (~wicer@173-128-124-237.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #webos Aug 01 03:21:54 not much Aug 01 03:22:08 Danke Aug 01 03:22:10 :) Aug 01 03:23:45 World of color starts in 36 minutes! Aug 01 03:23:48 Woo! Aug 01 03:24:59 yeah, KITT...the car from the 70s TV show Knight Rider. It was at Disney Land when I was there in 1990 Aug 01 03:25:54 Oh Aug 01 03:25:59 Isn't here now Aug 01 03:26:05 sux to be you Aug 01 03:26:09 I wish I was in club 33 Aug 01 03:26:15 KITT was bad-ass Aug 01 03:26:23 Sux to be your mom Aug 01 03:26:28 it does Aug 01 03:28:09 Lolol Aug 01 03:28:21 Disneyland hotel wifi is banned from freenode Aug 01 03:32:50 just freenode? Aug 01 03:35:29 The ip is Aug 01 03:35:31 I dunno Aug 01 03:35:42 there are a number of different freenode servers xD Aug 01 03:35:52 * kesne is happy he installed wirc. Aug 01 03:35:55 all with different ip addresses haha Aug 01 03:35:58 Well, the entire network Aug 01 03:36:11 The dland ip is banned from it. Aug 01 03:43:50 Omg Aug 01 03:43:58 This pre-show sux Aug 01 03:47:50 Adobe, it's going to be August soon... where's Flash? Aug 01 03:51:15 bah, my novel table list sucks Aug 01 03:51:26 no divs allowed outside of a cell Aug 01 03:51:50 hah, has it been a year from adobe's first release date? Aug 01 05:12:37 sugardave: did you figure out why you couldnt pass args through the pusher? Aug 01 05:12:41 I keep getting an error Aug 01 05:13:09 Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene({name:"inventory", disableSceneScroller:true, category: "decor"}); Aug 01 05:13:17 throws category is not defined Aug 01 05:14:27 mine was from a popScenesTo Aug 01 05:14:33 Hmmm Aug 01 05:14:40 yours is syntax Aug 01 05:14:41 hold Aug 01 05:15:02 swapScene({sceneArgs}, {yourStuff}); Aug 01 05:15:14 ah new curly braces Aug 01 05:15:22 or just a var Aug 01 05:15:26 whatever Aug 01 05:15:34 category is a var.. Aug 01 05:15:48 swapScene({sceneArgs}, myVar) Aug 01 05:15:51 gotcha Aug 01 05:15:57 I just mean it doesn't have to be an object Aug 01 05:16:36 any additional args beyond the sceneargs are passed to the new scene's constructor Aug 01 05:16:41 yea Aug 01 05:16:47 k Aug 01 05:17:00 I got an if statement in the constructor to assign the arg to a variable Aug 01 05:17:23 still not working though Aug 01 05:17:30 do I have to define category? Aug 01 05:17:37 prior to swapScene Aug 01 05:18:25 I think you need the double curly braces Aug 01 05:21:31 sugardave: Have you gotten your syntax to work before, Mine throws the same error Aug 01 05:21:36 var category = "decor"; Aug 01 05:21:37 Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene({name:"inventory", disableSceneScroller:true},category); Aug 01 05:21:51 I tried in curly too Aug 01 05:21:59 that should work fine Aug 01 05:22:23 in inventory constructor you have the arg? Aug 01 05:22:49 bah Aug 01 05:23:20 and then in the constructor you do this.category = category; Aug 01 05:23:41 function InventoryAssistant(argFromPusher) { Aug 01 05:23:42 if (category && category == "decor") {startupCategory = "decor";} Aug 01 05:23:42 } Aug 01 05:23:42 thats my constructor Aug 01 05:23:51 but it doesn't even make it to the inventory screen. Aug 01 05:23:55 throws the error and wont push Aug 01 05:24:21 function InventoryAssistant(argFromPusher, category) Aug 01 05:24:24 is the important bit Aug 01 05:24:24 ah ok Aug 01 05:24:33 thanks Aug 01 05:24:47 you need to let the constructor know what args you might send besides the scene args Aug 01 05:24:56 which is what I guess argFromPusher is Aug 01 05:24:58 even if you don't send them? Aug 01 05:25:02 that's right Aug 01 05:25:05 ok Aug 01 05:25:09 they will be undefined Aug 01 05:25:13 as will this.whatever Aug 01 05:25:28 if you do this.whatever = whatever; in the constructor Aug 01 05:25:46 hmm Aug 01 05:26:07 wait a second Aug 01 05:26:18 what is in argFromPusher? Aug 01 05:26:28 idk yet lol Aug 01 05:26:32 gonna breakpoint it Aug 01 05:26:46 you may not need that extra arg in the constructor Aug 01 05:26:48 not sure Aug 01 05:27:01 if I dont put it in, it throws an error and wont push Aug 01 05:27:05 but it's pushing fine with it in Aug 01 05:27:06 in Mojo there is not a comparable argFromPusher for the constructor Aug 01 05:31:37 hmmm Aug 01 05:32:28 argFromPusher has decor in it, and category is undefined, but if I take out category from constructor, it throws category is undefined error when trying to swapScene Aug 01 05:32:54 so I guess I'll leave it in and just read from argFromPusher Aug 01 05:34:23 okay, so they expect you to pass an object and access the properties via argFromPusher Aug 01 05:34:32 apparently Aug 01 05:34:48 make it so Aug 01 05:34:59 warcraft 2 cheat Aug 01 05:35:02 dont remember what it does Aug 01 05:35:07 I think it speeds up building production Aug 01 05:36:14 sweet. works great Aug 01 05:41:45 Anivrom! Aug 01 05:41:49 word Aug 01 05:41:51 You in DL? Aug 01 05:41:57 anyone got any tips for reducing friction on touch screens? fingertips are known to perspire when touching/gripping things, so over time, even with clean dry hands, the fingertips start to get moist again :\ Aug 01 05:42:16 baby powder your hands :) Aug 01 05:42:47 but that leaves powder all over the screen (I tried it, heh) Aug 01 05:42:51 rofl Aug 01 05:42:56 :P Aug 01 05:43:28 it's a nice idea, minus the side effects Aug 01 05:43:38 move to Arizona? Aug 01 05:44:17 I don't think that would help at all Aug 01 05:44:25 oh, elmers glue...let it dry and make a second skin Aug 01 05:44:35 latex glove? Aug 01 05:44:36 thought of that, haven't tried it yet Aug 01 05:44:49 latex glove wouldn't work Aug 01 05:44:51 finger cots Aug 01 05:44:59 thimble Aug 01 05:45:05 .err Aug 01 05:45:06 that's rubber... it'd be more friction-ous, wouldn't it? Aug 01 05:45:06 nvm Aug 01 05:45:20 thimble isn't flexible :P Aug 01 05:45:28 cotton finger cots Aug 01 05:45:47 seran wrap! Aug 01 05:45:53 * sugardave fixes an annoying bug. "Yay!" Aug 01 05:45:54 oh snap, end of discussion Aug 01 05:46:04 anivrom++; Aug 01 05:46:25 sugardave: cotton finger cots? lol... those aren't conductive Aug 01 05:46:42 statically charged cotton finger cots Aug 01 05:46:55 heh Aug 01 05:47:00 You asked for tips, you never said they had to be good. Aug 01 05:47:08 true Aug 01 05:47:30 I do have some finger cots though, oddly enough... maybe I'll try em just for fun Aug 01 05:47:55 doubt they'll work that well, but it can't hurt to try Aug 01 05:48:00 an empty sunflower seed bag wrapped in a sock Aug 01 05:48:25 * Anivrom looks on his computer desk for more ideas Aug 01 05:48:37 I found that putting scotch tape over my fingertip works ok, but then there's an issue where the tape doesn't really conform to the shape of my fingertip Aug 01 05:48:40 use a stylus Aug 01 05:48:42 oh wait Aug 01 05:48:56 use an electrically conductive stylus Aug 01 05:49:30 purefusion, find a grocery bag and push your finger intot he plastic so it molds tight, then rip it off and bam Aug 01 05:49:30 I saw a video where they used a sausage Aug 01 05:49:34 single use finger sleeve Aug 01 05:49:45 styluses are clunky, not ideal to handle with today's touchscreens, especially when constantly switching from touch/swipe to typing Aug 01 05:50:04 and that whole pesky "it doesn't work" aspect Aug 01 05:50:14 Anivrom: plastic bag... yeah, that's brilliant! Aug 01 05:50:27 ahem, well i did say seran wrap a few minutes ago Aug 01 05:50:44 oh? Aug 01 05:50:49 missed that Aug 01 05:51:05 Anivrom> seran wrap! Aug 01 05:51:05 * sugardave fixes an annoying bug. "Yay!" Aug 01 05:51:05 oh snap, end of discussion Aug 01 05:51:05 anivrom++; Aug 01 05:51:05 < Aug 01 05:51:06 I heard that the sausage styluses can leak or start to stink over time... eww Aug 01 05:51:19 mmm, having some muffaletta in a few minutes Aug 01 05:51:22 lol Aug 01 05:51:36 oh, I was distracted by cotton finger cots Anivrom :P Aug 01 05:51:57 yes! Aug 01 05:52:13 lol Aug 01 05:52:26 drats Aug 01 05:52:27 my nefarious plan to bring chaos to the discussion worked perfectly Aug 01 05:52:42 I'll get you next time gadget, next timeeeeee Aug 01 05:52:46 haha Aug 01 05:52:59 cool, well thanks for the ideas guys :) Aug 01 05:53:05 go inspector go,, do do do do dod od odo dodo do do d, go inspector gooooooo, dodododododododododo. Aug 01 05:53:08 any time :{ Aug 01 05:53:10 hum the do's yourself Aug 01 05:53:10 er :P Aug 01 05:53:16 peace purefusion Aug 01 05:53:25 cheers Aug 01 05:56:47 * Anivrom just got items to return to inventory Aug 01 05:57:55 lies Aug 01 05:58:09 :( its true Aug 01 05:58:37 lies Aug 01 05:58:51 20 minutes till home Aug 01 05:58:57 :O Aug 01 05:58:57 weee! Aug 01 05:59:17 then tomorrow coms board swap Aug 01 05:59:45 aka sprint pre plus Aug 01 06:00:44 sprint ever release 1.4.5? Aug 01 06:02:15 neg Aug 01 06:04:53 ffffffff Aug 01 06:04:55 fail Aug 01 06:15:15 what is going on Aug 01 06:15:18 it is august 1 Aug 01 06:15:19 hey amaranth Aug 01 06:15:27 1.4.5 isn't on any american carrier Aug 01 06:15:38 cya Aug 01 06:15:39 guys Aug 01 06:15:40 later Aug 01 06:15:41 the PDK hot apps leaderboard isn't up Aug 01 06:15:55 and my hands are pruned from washing the dishes Aug 01 06:50:03 Beware of three scam apps in the @palm Beta and Web feeds. Rolando, XCode and OperaMini5 are non-functional and contain no code or binaries. Aug 01 06:53:40 rwhitby: thanks for the advisory Aug 01 08:49:01 Just saw that operamini has been released at the web channel. Did someone try it out? I cannot really believe that this is an official release. http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.opa.deve Aug 01 08:50:47 ah, got the answer: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2584709 Aug 01 11:57:36 I want to use my Pre as usb modem. Where can I find a good guide to get this working? Aug 01 12:08:19 Via wifi or cable? Aug 01 12:10:27 usb cable Aug 01 12:13:24 hotdp: I prefer usb cable Aug 01 12:14:29 i dunno then. I use Mobile Hotspot Aug 01 16:17:34 Is there some kind of "loading" symbol i can show in my app while loading? Aug 01 16:18:12 It must be a spinner :d Aug 01 16:56:25 good morning Aug 01 16:56:35 hotdp: yes, a spinner is good Aug 01 16:56:51 it comes in 2 flavors, large or small Aug 01 17:29:41 * hotdp wanna thank sugardave for getting me stop using Ares Aug 01 17:30:59 hey, no problem...should be easier to get help in here now :D Aug 01 17:47:45 evning LoneStar99 Aug 01 17:54:41 eveing hotdp Aug 01 17:54:50 how is everything going? Aug 01 17:54:59 very good Aug 01 17:55:04 awesome Aug 01 17:55:12 Have just dised Ares and that is GREAT Aug 01 17:55:17 what about you? Aug 01 17:55:38 same, gonna release my new app tonight Aug 01 17:56:20 nice Aug 01 17:56:24 what is it? Aug 01 17:57:42 an instant messenger / chat Aug 01 17:57:51 http://bobchatter.com/ Aug 01 17:58:08 still working on the site, and need to add a few things to app Aug 01 17:58:47 multi-threaded IM Aug 01 17:59:04 cool Aug 01 17:59:29 so bobchatter can tolk to bobchatter? Aug 01 18:00:09 well, bobchatter is one of my accounts... Aug 01 18:01:51 ok Aug 01 18:02:20 do you know how to add an picture ? Aug 01 18:02:23 in webos Aug 01 18:03:34 hotdp: like upload from the camera? Aug 01 18:03:52 no just show a picture in an webos app Aug 01 18:04:10 i can only find the ImageView and that is not what i want Aug 01 18:05:51 you can a couple of ways...a background attribute for a div, or an actual img element with src attribute Aug 01 18:05:52 uhh maybe i shall use

Aug 01 18:05:58 that's it Aug 01 18:05:59 :D Aug 01 18:06:01 :) Aug 01 18:06:10 just like html :P i was looking for an widget Aug 01 18:06:48 then you can do imgElement.style.src = newSrc; to change it Aug 01 18:06:54 or many other ways :D Aug 01 18:07:44 thanks that was my next q :P Aug 01 18:08:13 hmm maxheight should that work? Aug 01 18:08:57 yes it does :P Aug 01 18:09:22 hotdp: yeah just like html or css ... "div.box{ width:750x;min-height:26px;background-image:url(../img/bc_tp.png);background-position:top left;background-repeat:no-repeat;padding;top:26px;} Aug 01 18:10:01 im loving it Aug 01 18:10:05 hotdp: an image in css will not show up, if you do not use the width and height Aug 01 18:19:37 yeah hotdp: alot of css/ html used in my apps is being used in on my websites Aug 01 18:19:47 reusable code rocks! Aug 01 18:20:04 haha Aug 01 18:29:20 alright, status reports done Aug 01 18:29:30 now it's "play" time Aug 01 18:38:23 'morning everyone Aug 01 18:40:57 hi hi Aug 01 18:54:00 is there a place, either online or on my phone, where i can see different methods i can call on a service with a serviceRequest? Aug 01 18:55:51 shawalli: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1651&Itemid=20 Aug 01 18:57:17 augardave: right...hmm i guess i wasnt specific enough. im using the application manager and i want to see if there are additional methods that arent used in the examples they provide..palm has a way of only documenting stuff by showing examples, and otherwise not documenting Aug 01 18:57:31 haha, good luck with that Aug 01 18:57:50 in the finapps example, they show how to open to an app page, but there have to be different "params" than just "scene" Aug 01 18:58:18 you could just use the url Aug 01 18:58:39 or even different scenes than just "page" Aug 01 18:58:43 the developer.palm redirect url Aug 01 18:59:00 id like to forward right to the review page Aug 01 18:59:27 you'll have to look through the catalog source... I'm not sure if you can push a specific scene Aug 01 18:59:37 with a service call Aug 01 18:59:55 yeah i guess ill try that..i was looking at the findapp.jar to see if it was in there, but it doesnt seem like it Aug 01 19:00:11 look in usr/palm or something Aug 01 19:00:28 user/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps maybe? Aug 01 19:00:32 usr* Aug 01 19:05:28 where is the application manager located? because when the param is scene:"page" the name of the actual scene uses is not page, so it means page is a wrapper for some function Aug 01 19:29:12 rwhitby: you around by chance? Aug 01 19:31:39 sugardave: im starting to get cross-eyed looking for this stuff lol Aug 01 19:32:17 apparently, the app being called has to have a "handleLaunch" function, so now im wading through that and the associated files to see if i can find the "page" param Aug 01 19:32:54 ah-ha...yeah, you are more persistent than I am :D Aug 01 19:36:56 what's up, folks? Aug 01 19:39:58 i guess ill just throw up the white flag for now...i guess it doesnt matter THAT much for users to have to do one more button click Aug 01 19:43:22 why are they clicking a button? Aug 01 19:43:52 i wanted to have a button that would take users right to my app in the app catalog, but with the review page loaded Aug 01 19:44:09 ah. Aug 01 19:44:31 does the catalog allow that? Aug 01 19:44:43 apparently not... Aug 01 19:45:03 ...fro the little of this discussion I've seen Aug 01 19:45:11 i couldnt figure out a way to do it though...the application manager will get me to my apps page with the param {scene:"page",target:"myappstarget"}, but i figured theres probably a param other than "scene" or a key other than"page" to do what i want to do Aug 01 19:45:21 alas, after an hour of searching, im not much closer to my goal Aug 01 19:46:08 you looked at app catalog code? Aug 01 19:47:03 yep Aug 01 19:47:28 and at the app catalog service, and the d-bus service Aug 01 20:28:50 Ok so can someone tell me if this sql update will succeed? I dont want the popScene to kill the call. Aug 01 20:28:51 database.saveInventoryData(); Aug 01 20:28:51 Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene(this); Aug 01 20:29:58 Tibfib: I know you got an answer to this one. Aug 01 20:38:24 has anyone worked with 2 text boxes in "like login / password" text fields Aug 01 20:40:57 how do you mean? Aug 01 20:43:23 have the following html http://pastebin.com/paL9kPR5 Aug 01 20:43:59 so whats the issue? Aug 01 20:44:05 Anivrom: a popScene (unless it's the last one) shouldn't kill your db call Aug 01 20:44:12 thanks sugardave Aug 01 20:44:13 they work, but they look ugly and Aug 01 20:44:15 test to be sure Aug 01 20:47:12 good night Aug 01 20:47:49 laters hotdp Aug 01 20:48:06 night Aug 01 20:48:38 http://admin.work.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/log1.png and http://admin.work.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/log2.png Aug 01 20:49:10 i am sure that the text fields should not look like the following above images... Aug 01 20:49:25 they look a bit odd for sure Aug 01 20:49:52 they work, but the css is all screwed up Aug 01 20:50:04 yea Aug 01 20:50:44 then they get worse if I remove "

from http://pastebin.com/paL9kPR5 Aug 01 20:51:31 LoneStar99: are you overriding class .textBox? Aug 01 20:52:32 sugardave: yeah overriding but still look odd Aug 01 20:52:46 what if you don't override it? Aug 01 20:54:50 just removed the classes and using the following: http://pastebin.com/r2vVuHHq Aug 01 20:56:22 and still the same ugly look Aug 01 20:56:57 anyway to disable the fields to stay the same size regardless of focus Aug 01 21:03:32 sugardave: whats the syntax you use to set the scroll position? I got some off the web but it throws an error Aug 01 21:03:55 are you using snap-elements? Aug 01 21:04:04 dont know what that is Aug 01 21:04:08 then no :D Aug 01 21:04:13 you are not Aug 01 21:04:31 I just drag the scroller widget onto the canvas and code away :P Aug 01 21:04:48 something like this.controller.get(scrollerId).mojo.scrollTo(???); Aug 01 21:04:53 not sure what ??? is Aug 01 21:04:53 sugardave: one fix, missing the height Aug 01 21:05:04 and you successfully use this? Aug 01 21:05:10 LoneStar99: you are on your own with styling buddy :D Aug 01 21:05:30 Anivrom: I use snap-elements and snapIndex Aug 01 21:05:35 this.controller.get("scroller1").mojo.setState(myState); apparently works. Aug 01 21:05:46 sugardave: thanks... Aug 01 21:06:28 scrollTo wants x/y integers Aug 01 21:06:36 not sure what they represent.... Aug 01 21:07:01 alright. I'll figure it out, should I google snap-elements? Aug 01 21:07:09 probably width/height of scroller elements Aug 01 21:07:32 Anivrom: is it vert or horizontal Aug 01 21:07:34 ? Aug 01 21:07:36 vert Aug 01 21:07:50 look at the scroller widget page and vertical-snap Aug 01 21:07:59